2012/09/11/#kubuntu-devel.txt

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[05:29] <nixternal> this channel has seriously been quiet for almost 10 hours now? or did you all kick me or something
[05:35]  * micahg waves to nixternal
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[08:24] <Mamarok> so no way to upgrade kde-full with kdeplasma-addons
[08:24] <Mamarok> why would that have an influence on meta-packages?
[08:24] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: what's the issue?
[08:25] <Mamarok> oh, still some missing packages in 4.9.1 apparently
[08:25] <Mamarok> kdeplasma-addons : Depends: plasma-widgets-addons (>= 4:4.9.1-0ubuntu1) but 4:4.9.0-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[08:25] <Mamarok>                     Depends: plasma-runners-addons (>= 4:4.9.1-0ubuntu1) but 4:4.9.0-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[08:25] <Mamarok>                     Depends: plasma-widget-lancelot (>= 4:4.9.1-0ubuntu1) but 4:4.9.0-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[08:25] <Mamarok>                     Depends: plasma-wallpapers-addons (>= 4:4.9.1-0ubuntu1) but 4:4.9.0-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[08:25] <Mamarok>                     Depends: plasma-containments-addons (>= 4:4.9.1-0ubuntu1) but 4:4.9.0-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[08:26] <shadeslayer> aye, haven't been built/published/sync'd to your mirror yet I presume
[08:26] <Mamarok> I use the main server
[08:26] <shadeslayer> then most likely the former 2
[08:27] <Mamarok> hm, so building/publishing 4.9.1 takes over 24 hours
[08:28] <shadeslayer> plasma-widgets-addons | 4:4.9.0-0ubuntu2 | quantal/universe | amd64, armel, armhf, powerpc
[08:28] <shadeslayer> plasma-widgets-addons | 4:4.9.1-0ubuntu1 | quantal/universe | i386
[08:28] <shadeslayer> ^ I guess you have amd64 :)
[08:29] <shadeslayer> oh my
[08:29] <shadeslayer> amd64 failed
[08:29] <shadeslayer> trololol :  libmarble-dev : Depends: libmarblewidget14 (= 4:4.9.1-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installe
[08:30] <Mamarok> I wonder why 64bit stills looks like a stepchild, while most people nowadays have 64bit systems
[08:31] <shadeslayer> most likely because amd64 queues were longer
[08:31] <Mamarok> no, you don't get it: apparently i386 is default and everything else seems secondary
[08:32] <Mamarok> when 64bit should be default by now
[08:33] <Mamarok> I don't know if the CDs shipped to local teams are now 64bit, but back when I was head of the Swiss Team we mostly got i386
[08:33] <Mamarok> which was in no relation to what people demanded
[08:33] <shadeslayer> ah that way
[08:33] <shadeslayer> yes
[08:33] <shadeslayer> I agree :)
[08:34] <Mamarok> which is stupid
[08:34] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: amd64 build ongoing for kdeplasma-addons
[08:34] <shadeslayer> should be done soonish
[08:34] <Mamarok> OK
[08:34] <xnox> one always works, while the other doesn't on some systems
[08:35] <shadeslayer> well ... I'm aware of only a couple of devices which can't handle x86_64
[08:35] <Mamarok> xnox: that is just not true
[08:35] <Mamarok> that was so 5 years ago, but not now anymore
[08:36] <xnox> there are still 32 bit machines being sold.
[08:37] <shadeslayer> xnox: sure, but how many of them do support the 64 bit instruction set? Don't most Intel CPU's support the 64 bit instruction set?
[08:37] <shadeslayer> ( not sure about AMD )
[08:38] <Mamarok> xnox: just because there are some still sold means that it should still considered to be default
[08:38] <Mamarok> I haven't had a 32bit system in over 5 years
[08:39] <yofel> there are still people that like i386 with PAE as it uses a bit less memory
[08:40] <shadeslayer> yofel: how does one use kbatch?
[08:41] <yofel> dunno, what's that?
[08:41] <Riddell> I installed kubuntu on a friends machine this weekend, tried 64 bit first and was surprised to find the machine didn't support it
[08:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger mentioned it ... not sure how to use it ... might have to read the code
[08:41] <shadeslayer> yofel: lp:~apachelogger/kubuntu-dev-tools/kbatch
[08:42]  * yofel has i386 running on his work notebook - but wubi's to blame for that
[08:42] <shadeslayer> tehehe, backportpackage downloading o-i at 110 Mbps
[08:44] <shadeslayer> *yawn*
[08:44] <yofel> be happy instead of bored! :P
[08:44] <shadeslayer> yofel: it's just these visa forms are so boring to fill :P
[08:45] <yofel> oh, ok
[09:11] <debfx> I'll upload kde-l10n 4.9.1
[09:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: lol, the first thing one ought to do is look at the code
[09:13] <shadeslayer> :)
[09:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I used backportpackage instead, worked like a charm, no idea if it'll build though :P
[09:14]  * shadeslayer will throw it up in ninjas and fix up as problems come up
[09:15] <apachelogger> yeah
[09:15] <apachelogger> I am pretty sure I talked about kbatch WRT packages not uploaded
[09:16] <shadeslayer> yofel uploaded all of them, so doesn't matter now ;)
[09:23] <shadeslayer> 4.9.1 uploading for precise into ninjas
[09:27] <shadeslayer> so. much. lp. mail
[09:28] <debfx> at least you don't get translation import mails anymore ;)
[09:28] <shadeslayer> aye
[10:22] <shadeslayer> great, ants on my keyboard
[10:27] <apachelogger> http://alan927.jalbum.net/Skins/ExhibitPlus/Folder/slides/Ants%20with%20an%20Appetite.jpg
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[11:30] <shadeslayer> how odd
[11:31] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+build/3779072 < doesn't show any logs
[11:31] <shadeslayer> I'm not sure if it's even building
[11:31] <shadeslayer> hm ... seems it is
[11:31] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/builders/charichuelo
[12:55] <BluesKaj> Heyas all
[13:13] <soee> ji2u
[13:15] <mparillo> It looks as if KDE 4.9.1 is almost ready. Want me to draft an announcement for the kubuntu/news site, but not check the publish box?
[13:30] <Riddell> mparillo: go for it
[13:31] <Riddell> but that's KDE SC 4.9.1, now you're into marketing you need to use the correct terms :)
[13:31] <Riddell> (and KDE SC shouldn't be used on much user facing stuff, it's ugly)
[13:34] <mparillo> Will do. I think it is proper to use the 'official' terminology whenever possible, even if it is a mouthful.
[13:35] <mparillo> BTW, I think https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/ may  have an expired certificate.
[13:35] <yofel_> wasn't it officially named 'KDE Workspaces, Applications, whatever else 4.9.1' now?
[13:39] <mparillo> yofel_: My sugested compromise is to use KDE SC 4.9.1 in the link but KDE Plasma Workspaces, Applications and Platform 4.9.1 in the title. It should be in the draft I will post, but not publish, shortly.
[13:39] <yofel_> yeah, that sounds about right
[13:40] <mparillo> Done: News KDE Plasma Workspaces, Applications and Platform 4.9.1 has been created.
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[14:16] <BluesKaj> the upgrade to 4.9.1 seems to gone well , so far
[14:16] <BluesKaj> to have
[16:13] <xnox> Riddell++
[16:13]  * xnox achievement unlocked - "Great commit!"
[16:15] <debfx> o_O
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> think he's referring to http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/revision/5654
[16:44] <debfx> LUKS support \o/
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[19:03] <Riddell> I still need to get a FFe on that ubiquity change
[19:03] <Riddell> and testers needed
[19:03] <Riddell> but maybe we can drop the alternate now
[19:05] <yofel> wasn't keeping the alternate mostly about offline-upgrades?
[19:24] <Riddell> yofel: I've mostly heard it being about partitioning options
[19:25] <yofel> that too, but I vaguely remember rbelem saying something about that during the UDS discussion
[19:26] <shadeslayer> you know there's a whole thread about dropping alternate cd 
[19:26] <yofel> kuforums?
[19:26] <shadeslayer> *cd's on ubuntu devel
[19:26] <yofel> oh
[19:27]  * yofel realizes he hasn't read ubuntu-devel the last 3 weeks
[19:27] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, I sure hope not , the alternate install has always been a saviour for mu y older pcs
[19:28] <Riddell> I think that's pretty much concluded, they dropped alternates for beta
[19:29] <shadeslayer> I didn't follow it all the way through, that thread is gianormus ....47 emails
[19:29]  * yofel just wanted to ask for a tl;dr version...
[19:30] <shadeslayer> hah :P
[19:30] <BluesKaj> Riddell, bummer:(
[19:30] <Riddell> BluesKaj: why?
[19:31] <yofel> it's still a bit more reliable on some hardware as it doesn't require KMS (and not all people know what nomodeset means)
[19:31] <shadeslayer> yofel: try reading the one about the app developer upload process 
[19:31] <yofel> shadeslayer: weekend - maybe
[19:31] <BluesKaj> the alternate install was reliable when the regular livecd wouldn't install 
[19:31] <shadeslayer> yofel: FWIW nomodeset will now screw with drivers
[19:32] <yofel> as in...?
[19:32] <shadeslayer> ( from what I have been told )
[19:32] <yofel> I don't mind as long as it works
[19:33] <shadeslayer> yofel: apparently drivers are expected to be used only with modesetting
[19:33] <shadeslayer> without it, undefined behavior
[19:33] <yofel> and the problem with that is?
[19:34] <shadeslayer> passing nomodeset as an argument will lead to X being all weird
[19:35] <shadeslayer> or video drivers working improperly
[19:35] <yofel> as long as "X being all weird" means "fall back to VESA" I'm fine with that
[19:36] <mparillo> There was some user-focused discussion on the Proposal to drop Ubuntu alternate CDs for 12.10 at: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2049021
[19:36] <shadeslayer> dunno about it falling back to VESA since I have to manually specify fbdev in xorg.conf
[19:44] <Riddell> darkwing, apachelogger, JontheEchidna, jussi01-nom, ScottK: nudge, meeting vote please, not much of a meeting without a council http://www.doodle.com/ep9bqbapvfh4r9aw
[19:48] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: done
[20:35] <yofel> oh, kdegames moved to git - yet another tar count explosion
[21:36] <ScottK> Riddell: Done (and done correctly if the poll is in UTC).
[22:21] <JontheEchidna> weird backtrace du jour: http://paste.kde.org/547340/
[22:22] <JontheEchidna> that function only returns a QString. must be threading issues *sigh*