2012/02/21/#ubuntu+1.txt

[00:00] <penguin42> dat789: If you get a launchpad account then when someone tries to fix the bug they can ask you questions about it, and/or notify you when it's fixed
[00:00] <dat789> yellow pencil... this report is public; you are not directly subscribed...; edit bug mail..
[00:00] <dat789> launchpad account... ok, signing up
[00:01] <penguin42> dat789: No, the one to the left just above the yellow bar
[00:04] <dat789> ah, found it. must log in first though. hehe
[00:08] <dat789> so now it's best to reinstall and revert to 10.04, eh?
[00:09] <penguin42> dat789: Well, is everything else working?
[00:09] <dat789> so far, err, yes
[00:09] <dat789> well... actually..
[00:09] <dat789> how do you check my video card ??
[00:09] <penguin42> dat789: Hmm, so 12.04 is still in testing - so it's going to bump about a bit before April, but stuff is getting fixed
[00:09] <dat789> you know... like how we did with lsusb ?
[00:10] <Daekdroom> lspci | grep VGA
[00:10] <dat789> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RV770 [Radeon HD 4870]
[00:11] <dat789> when i update driver for this...
[00:11] <dat789> and restart... it only manage to get to the splash screen before my monitor goes black
[00:11] <dat789> and it says "no signal input..."
[00:12] <penguin42> dat789: When you say update driver, what did you select?
[00:13] <dat789> ATI/AMD proprietary FLGRX graphic driver (post-release updates)
[00:13] <penguin42> dat789: OK, so there are two drivers for that card, a proprietary one and an open one
[00:13] <dat789> install. then activate
[00:13] <dat789> yup
[00:14] <penguin42> dat789: The pen one should work fine but won't be the fastest (especially for games, and might run the fan a bit more)
[00:14] <Daekdroom> The open one is actually better for 2D, but if you want gaming you should go for fglrx.
[00:14] <dat789> "the pen one ... "  ?? what do you mean?
[00:14] <penguin42> dat789: open one
[00:14] <Daekdroom> The opensource driver.
[00:14] <Daekdroom> Ubuntu ships with it by default.
[00:15] <dat789> err... open which one??
[00:15]  * dat789 confused
[00:15] <Daekdroom> There are 2 drivers for your videocard.
[00:15] <dat789> yes
[00:15] <Daekdroom> radeon and fglrx
[00:15] <Daekdroom> radeon ships by default and is opensource
[00:15] <Daekdroom> fglrx has to be installed (like you're trying to do)
[00:15] <dat789> it's the same 2 drivers
[00:16] <Daekdroom> Nope.
[00:16] <penguin42> dat789: No, 2 different drivers
[00:16] <dat789> just that one is post-release updates and the other is now
[00:16] <dat789> not
[00:16] <Daekdroom> radeon is more stable, but its powermanagement is poorer and less 3D features/performances
[00:16] <penguin42> dat789: However, if you're saying you have two different versions of fglrx then that doesn't surprise me
[00:16] <faenil> hi guys :)
[00:17] <faenil> is anyone using DDMS (android) in ubuntu 12.04?
[00:17] <faenil> I experience bad image refresh
[00:17] <dat789> so...
[00:17] <penguin42> dat789: fglrx sometimes takes a little time to catch up during the new ubuntu release cycles - it'll sort itself out by release
[00:17] <dat789> ok, 2 different drivers
[00:17] <faenil> I have to double click on windows separators to make the windows refresh
[00:17] <faenil> ok :)
[00:17] <dat789> neither of them is activated
[00:18] <dat789> should I ??
[00:18] <faenil> oh wait I thought you were talking to me xD
[00:18] <dat789> if i get a black screen... i dont' know how to recover/ revert
[00:19] <penguin42> dat789: When you boot, hold down the left shift button just after the bios, you should get the grub2 boot menu
[00:19] <Daekdroom> There isn't any indication (besides working 3D) that you're using the radeon driver.
[00:19] <penguin42> dat789: There is a safe/recovery option on there - I think you should be able to remove the driver from there
[00:20] <dat789> shift key, eh?
[00:20] <Daekdroom> My last message didn't make much sense.
[00:20] <dat789> yea, it didn't quite
[00:20] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Should show on the additional drivers screen shouldn't it?
[00:20] <Daekdroom> penguin42, fglrx does. Radeon doesn't.
[00:21] <Daekdroom> You have to check for it on CLI
[00:21] <dat789> don't now how to do that, sorry
[00:21] <penguin42> dat789: OK, lets go back a step :-)
[00:21] <penguin42> dat789: Does it currently boot OK ?
[00:21] <dat789> yes
[00:21] <penguin42> good
[00:21] <dat789> boots okay
[00:21] <dat789> monitor does not flicker
[00:22] <Daekdroom> The thing is, whenever he is not using fglrx, he's mostly likely using radeon, unless it breaks.
[00:22] <penguin42> dat789: so if you go to the additional drivers setting thing what does it say?
[00:22] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Yeh agree - just wanted to check
[00:22] <dat789> it says: No proprietary drivers are in use in this system
[00:23] <penguin42> dat789: OK, so you're using the 'Radeon' open driver at the moment
[00:23] <penguin42> dat789: If you're not a heavy gamer and you're not on a laptop you can just stop there - all good
[00:24] <dat789> ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX graphic driver (post release updates) ; and
[00:24] <dat789> ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX graphic driver
[00:24] <Daekdroom> I had no idea ubuntu provided post-release versions of flgrx.
[00:24] <dat789> i don't know how to play games on ubuntu (i know i'm lame)
[00:24] <dat789> and i'm on desktop
[00:24] <penguin42> dat789: So leave it as is - then; I use the Radeon driver
[00:25] <dat789> but i got this new graphic card just 1.5 months
[00:25] <penguin42> Daekdroom: What does it mean by post-release?
[00:25] <dat789> so, i was just thinking... JUST thinking... to utilize it.
[00:25] <Daekdroom> penguin42, well, Ubuntu 12.04 is mostly likely going to use Catalyst 12.4
[00:25] <dat789> Daekdroom: i dont know
[00:25] <Daekdroom> post-release means people can use 12.5 when it's released, 12.6 and so on.
[00:25] <dat789> penguin42: but i doubt i'm using CAtalyst at all
[00:26] <penguin42> dat789: Yeh you're not currently using catalyst
[00:26] <dat789> so, i'm using the Open driver at the moment
[00:26] <penguin42> dat789: So if you try one of the FGLRX ones and it doesn't work, my guess is it'll start to work near the 12.04 release in April
[00:27] <penguin42> dat789: The binary drivers come as a blob from AMD/ATI and they have to do an update to keep it inline with the new Ubuntu
[00:27] <dat789> 2 long months waiting... :(
[00:27] <penguin42> dat789: It'll probably work if you use 10.04 or 11.10
[00:27] <dat789> yeah... i did an update at the terminal
[00:28] <dat789> downloaded the wubi ...and suddenly i'm at 12.04
[00:28] <dat789> so, nothing to do here until 2 months later, eh?
[00:28] <penguin42> dat789: It'll probably be a bit before that
[00:29]  * penguin42 doesn't check on the fglrx myself - I'm reasonably happy with the open one on ---> machine
[00:30] <dat789> thanks for your time and help guys
[00:31] <penguin42> no prob
[00:31] <dat789> one last thing
[00:31] <dat789> difference between #ubuntu and here ?
[00:31] <Daekdroom> #ubuntu+1 is for the development version.
[00:32] <dat789> like 12.04 ??
[00:32] <Daekdroom> Once 12.04 is released, it'll be discussed in #ubuntu
[00:32] <dat789> ah.
[00:32] <dat789> makes perfect sense
[00:32] <dat789> thanks!
[00:32] <dat789> bye for now
[01:13] <h00k> yofel: That weird touchpad thing is fixed
[01:13] <h00k> yofel: with our EEE netbooks!
[01:37] <jack1> I can connect to my wifi card, browse the web etc, but cannot detect the card when I type "airmon-ng" why?
[01:50] <snadge> nice.. new libbluray.. does that mean ubuntu can play bluray now? :p
[01:50] <snadge> whats the apt command to show the changelog
[01:52] <Daekdroom> snadge, it cannot play every Blu-Ray disc.
[01:52] <Daekdroom> It's in the package description
[01:52] <Daekdroom> 'NB: Most commercial Blu-Ray are restricted by AACS or BD+ technologies and this library is not enough to playback those discs.'
[02:17]  * psusi refuses to buy commercial blue rays for that reason
[02:42]  * Daekdroom never bought or played a BluRay disc
[02:43] <bjsnider> yeah but have you got a bdrom?
[02:43] <Daekdroom> Yes, I do have a BluRay drive.
[02:44] <Daekdroom> Tbh, let me check
[02:44] <Daekdroom> Ah. It plays BluRay discs.
[02:44] <Daekdroom> No +R :(
[04:44] <jo-erlend> I just noticed gnome-contacts in update manager. Did it appear just now, or has it been around for a while without me noticing it?
[05:06] <bjsnider> i think it's been in the gnome 3 ppa for oneiric users for awhile
[05:17] <snadge> fglrx pisses me off
[05:17] <snadge> in current precise.. if you play a video.. it crashes X
[05:17] <snadge> and the window title corruption bug thats been there for 50 years.. is still there
[05:24] <ActionParsnip> hey guys, if you download the daily via torrent, is the image 'updated' when the new file gets uploaded the next day?
[05:48] <micahg> ActionParsnip: I would think not as the checksum would change
[05:49] <ActionParsnip> gah, that'd be sweet.Saves having to play with the diff stuff
[05:49] <ActionParsnip> thanks dude :)
[06:07] <Tronic> I am getting graphics corruption when running 12.04 in qemu-kvm.
[06:08] <urfr332gO> Tronic, I think it runs with their graphics.
[06:08] <Tronic> Rather nasty rendering mistakes (or not repaining when it should).
[06:08] <Tronic> But it still seem to be able to render the UI.
[06:08] <urfr332gO> you might try vbox
[06:08] <ActionParsnip> Tronic: same with Unity2D as well?
[06:11] <Tronic> ActionParsnip: How can I choose that on the LiveCD?
[06:12] <ActionParsnip> Tronic: log off, select 2D, log in
[06:13] <Tronic> Logging off makes it go in some sort of mode change loop (Xorg restarting perhaps).
[06:15] <ActionParsnip> Tronic: or try xubuntu, it will not use effects by default and will give a snappier system, or try lubuntu
[06:17] <Tronic> Getting that and kubuntu now.
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[07:12] <share> when will be Precise out
[07:12] <ActionParsnip> share: april this year
[07:12] <share> any idea of release date
[07:12] <Ben64> 12.04 = 04/2012
[07:12] <share> ok
[07:12] <share> what about the day
[07:12] <ActionParsnip> share: didnt you notice that with Oneiric?
[07:12] <Ben64> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PreciseReleaseSchedule
[07:13] <ActionParsnip> share: the exact day  is to be determined
[07:13] <share> ok thanks for the information
[07:13] <share> ActionParsnip: btw you do frequent omgubuntu.co.uk dont u
[07:14] <ActionParsnip> share: I do
[07:14] <share> :)
[07:14] <share> bye
[07:14] <urfr332gO> vlc 2 arrived in the repos today.
[07:17] <ActionParsnip> urfr332gO: it was in there on the 18th actually
[07:17] <ActionParsnip> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/vlc/2.0.0-1
[07:17] <urfr332gO> ActionParsnip, idn't show up till todays update for me.
[07:17] <urfr332gO> didn't
[07:18] <ActionParsnip> urfr332gO: maybe a slow update to the server you are using..
[07:18] <ActionParsnip> http://paste.ubuntu.com/851008/   got mine on the 18th too
[07:20] <urfr332gO> ActionParsnip, I'm using ubuntu.com
[07:20] <ActionParsnip> urfr332gO: so the main server?
[07:21] <urfr332gO> ActionParsnip, yes but I had a bunch of packages being held I used synaptic rather then the cli I think that did it.
[07:22] <ActionParsnip> possibly
[07:22] <urfr332gO> ActionParsnip, Now that I think about it when I saw the hold list I saw it.
[07:23] <ActionParsnip> urfr332gO: if you have a PPA with VLC it may have caused an issue
[07:23] <urfr332gO> I didn't run a dist-upgrade or check the update manager, it calling the holds partial yesterday.
[07:24] <urfr332gO> only in oneiric
[07:24] <urfr332gO> just the regular repos only ppa is Ubuntu tweak
[07:25] <urfr332gO> no biggie it rubbing fine. :)
[07:25] <urfr332gO> running*
[08:03] <Error404NotFound> I am facing an issue where i can't play any video in vlc, gnome player, etc... as soon as i do it, i logout. However if i do vlc on the tty, i can watch video in 8bit(?) colors
[08:17] <Error404NotFound> Is this a known bug as so far i cant find anything.
[08:20] <ActionParsnip> Error404NotFound: does it happen as a new user?
[08:20] <Error404NotFound> ActionParsnip: as a new user: i created a new user and now its happening to him, was that the question? if yes, then no.
[08:21] <ActionParsnip> Error404NotFound: so it affects all users? Just to be clear
[08:21] <Error404NotFound> ActionParsnip: yes, so far, i am trying to install another driver for ATI card i have.
[08:22] <Error404NotFound> if i go offline, that would be because VLC logged me out :)
[08:23] <Error404NotFound> ActionParsnip: offtopic, We appreciate your contribution and you're a true asset to community, just remembered that i saw you on omgubuntu ^_^
[08:24] <Error404NotFound> It has something to do with Video output setting in VLC, if it set dummy then it doesn't do anything. So its video and probably driver.
[08:25] <ActionParsnip> Error404NotFound: many do :)
[08:25] <ActionParsnip> Error404NotFound: do other players do the same thing?
[08:26] <Error404NotFound> ActionParsnip: yup, tries gnome player, same thing. But i use VLC for everything so if this works i am the happiest person in world.
[08:26] <Error404NotFound> brb, gotta reboot my box for driver to be active.
[08:27] <jokerdino> hey guys, what should i be doing regarding the bug patch? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/936403
[08:27] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 936403 in software-center (Ubuntu) "There is a typo in Ubuntu Software Center strings. (DVD drive)" [Low,Confirmed]
[08:41] <iceroot> jokerdino: normally you can translate directly in launchpad
[08:41] <iceroot> jokerdino: no need for a patched *.po
[08:42] <iceroot> jokerdino: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/software-center/+pots/software-center/es/159/+translate put there the correct translation
[08:43] <jokerdino> it has to be fixed.
[08:43] <jokerdino> because there is a stray string
[08:44] <iceroot> jokerdino: #ubuntu-translators  also put the spanish translator group on the bug
[08:44] <ActionParsnip> jokerdino: its only a typo, its not a core app causing massive system instability
[08:45] <iceroot> jokerdino: normally you make a new suggestion in launchpad and inform the translation team about the issue
[08:45] <jokerdino> well, yeah
[08:45] <iceroot> jokerdino: but better help is in #ubuntu-translators
[08:45] <ActionParsnip> jokerdino: so it doesn't 'have to be fixed'its just something nice to have sorted
[08:45] <jokerdino> well, i just want to submit my first bug fix.
[08:46] <jokerdino> it is a bitesize bug, i knkow
[08:46] <ActionParsnip> jokerdino: thats cool, and very commendable ;)
[08:46] <iceroot> jokerdino: as always the size does not matter :)
[08:46] <iceroot> jokerdino: every patch is welcome
[08:46] <ActionParsnip> iceroot: wish my girlfriend said the same thing :(
[08:46] <jokerdino> i just wanted to know how the bug fixing process goes.
[08:48] <micahg> jokerdino: propose a branch against lp:software-center
[08:48] <iceroot> jokerdino: because there is no upstream-project i think your method is correct
[08:49] <jokerdino> micahg: not sure how i would do that.
[08:49] <jokerdino> dhalboch pointed to me that i should edit the hw.py because it generates the pot file.
[08:49] <micahg> jokerdino: I'd suggest we move this to #ubuntu-devel
[08:50] <jokerdino> hm sure
[09:17] <Error404NotFound> ActionParsnip: my observations: no matter what driver you install the Default video output in vlc makes you logout, so does almost every other option. For my laptop the XCB of OpenGL and X11 work, for my desktop the Xvideo with XCB also works.
[09:19] <ActionParsnip> Error404NotFound: stick on what works then....
[09:20] <Error404NotFound> ActionParsnip: yup, made a note and using it, try to take a dump with Default and other video outputs, no luck so far
[09:22] <Error404NotFound> btw, once i have upgrade to a daily iso, from them on i can just do apt-get update & apt-get dist-upgrade without mounting the daily iso as same stuff would be available in repos, too, correct?
[09:24] <ActionParsnip> Error404NotFound: you can use install ISOs as install media but the packages on the daily ISO will be the ones in the repo....
[09:25] <Error404NotFound> ActionParsnip: hmm, so help me here a bit. Whats the need of zsync if we can upgrade online in less amount of bandwidth and time? (zsync would also download its meta file)
[09:27] <ActionParsnip> Error404NotFound: I've not used that method. I don't have a bandwidth cap and a 50Mb connection, so I just pull down ISOs when I want them
[09:27] <Error404NotFound> ActionParsnip: hmm, same here though i am not on 50M :) also the 15M of zsync meta file isn't a lot. Guess zsync+iso is if you have multiple systems and want to upgrade them offline.
[09:29] <ActionParsnip> Error404NotFound: makes sense, just never done it. If I had a lot of systems i'd run my own local repo on LAN
[09:30] <Error404NotFound> ActionParsnip: yup, that makes more sense than zsync+iso. Thanks again for the time and help.
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[09:49] <zzecool> did anyone noticed any change about "oneconf"   ?
[09:49] <zzecool> its a cool feature but  its not impemented very well
[09:52] <mainerror> What change?
[10:09] <jokerdino> zzecool:  oneconf is already in software center
[10:09] <zzecool> yeah i know but very poorly implemented
[10:10] <jokerdino> well, can't disagree.
[10:12] <zzecool> We need something better  , group of applications to save  with or without their dependencies , where to save , like ubuntu one, local folder, local server  etc
[10:13] <zzecool> I think i read somewhere about a nice guide how to install packages in on pc or server and then all the other pc in the network autoupdates to this packages
[10:14] <zzecool> This is a joy for an IT
[10:33] <rye> Anybody has java with icedtea working in precise (e.g. on http://javatester.org/version.html - warning, may hang firefox, it did that for me)
[10:53] <ahel> hi! I've installed through unetbootin the daily live. Installation went fine but at boot I don't see grub. in fact it switch immediately to memtest86+ :(
[10:53] <ahel> I've tried to press 'esc' or 'down arrow' but nothing.
[10:57] <ahel> do you suggest using a stable live or trying again reinstalling the os?
[10:58] <vega-> thunderbird seems to have it's own menu (file, edit etc.) now instead of it having it on top of the screen as all other apps
[10:58] <vega-> bug?
[11:11] <zzecool> rye: just use chrome it only crash the Java plugin :)
[11:11] <zzecool> rye: and yes it doesn working for me too
[11:14] <zzecool> rye: but Jdownloader  works ( i dont  know if it use his own java libraries or the icetea )\
[11:16] <rye> zzecool, i think it does not use icedtea, no java applets work for me now at all
[11:17] <zzecool> it use java for sure but....
[11:20] <zzecool> do be real , i dont rly know what icetea  suppose to be , im confused with java , about what they replaced  i read something in the past days but didnt paid any attention
[11:22] <zzecool> replaced oracle java with icetea or something ?
[11:22] <zzecool> rye:  ?
[11:22] <rye> zzecool, icedtea is a browser java plugin
[11:23] <rye> zzecool, which builds with OpenJDK, which is an opensource version of java
[11:23] <zzecool> is the browser plugin of the OpenJDK ?
[11:23] <zzecool> i see
[11:23] <zzecool> i got it ty
[11:25] <zzecool> rye: there is a ppa that support Oracle java 7
[11:26] <zzecool> let me check
[11:26] <zzecool> rye: here you are  http://www.webupd8.org/2012/01/install-oracle-java-jdk-7-in-ubuntu-via.html
[11:26] <zzecool> i dont know if it updated for precise
[11:48] <zzecool> rye: yep i just tested and it works just fine
[12:11] <ahel> apt-get update: bzip2
[12:11] <ahel> hash sum mismatch
[12:11] <ahel> in it-archive.ubuntu/..precise../
[12:18] <psypher246> hello all, could someone please help me reset my launcher reveal settings via cli as I am now unable to reveal the launcher in a virtual machine at all, can't really do anything at this time
[12:20] <Ian_Corne> unity --reset
[12:22] <psypher246> how do i get a terminla open if I have no launcher or dash, unity reset not working from tty
[12:22] <jokerdino> ctrl - shift - t
[12:23] <jokerdino> oops. wrong one. ctrl - alt - t
[12:23] <psypher246> ah awesome didn't think it qwould work while running virtualbox on a unity desktop, while foxussing on the VM it did launch
[12:24] <psypher246> bingo, sorted, thanks!
[12:24] <jokerdino> nice job.
[12:25]  * penguin42 wonders if bug 865001 works in PP - anyone tried it lately?
[12:25] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 865001 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "[regression] sharing a network with other computers no longer works in oneiric" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/865001
[12:35] <psypher246> arg and as I fix my virtualbox client my entire 12.04 desktop, which runs the Vm, crashes, really hope the gnome-settings-daemon crash bug is fixed soon\
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[13:46] <zzecool> I hate the bug ..................
[13:46] <zzecool> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/seahorse/+bug/189774
[13:46] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 189774 in seahorse (Ubuntu) "seahorse shows passwords without verification" [Wishlist,Triaged]
[13:47] <jokerdino> so do i
[13:47] <zzecool> what a hell of security  bug
[13:47] <zzecool> and still nothing about it
[13:47] <jokerdino> it is actually a security bug.
[13:47] <zzecool> it is
[13:48] <zzecool> more like a preinstalled keylogger  that does the JOB good
[13:48] <zzecool> i thought it was addressed
[13:49] <penguin42> zzecool: But this is with automatic login enabled?
[13:49] <zzecool> no of course not
[13:49] <zzecool> its with either way
[13:49] <penguin42> ok
[13:49] <zzecool> open your dash type passwords
[13:50] <zzecool> take a look in there and get rdy to FREAK out if you didnt know by now
[13:50] <zzecool> :P
[13:52] <cheako911> Hello, aufs kernel module missing?  I'm attempting to fold cow image + squashfs into new squashfs.
[14:36] <MikeH> Hi guys, is there any sensible way to go from lucid to precise?
[14:36] <MikeH> I'm told changing sources and doing dist-upgrade is usually a bad idea these days?
[14:36] <bazhang> 10.04 to 12.04 ?
[14:37] <bazhang> !lucid
[14:37] <ubottu> Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx) was the twelfth release of Ubuntu. Download http://releases.ubuntu.com/10.04/ - Release Info: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1004 - Supported until April 2013 (Desktop), April 2015 (Server)
[14:37] <bazhang> it's a one step upgrade once Precise is released LTS to LTS
[14:37] <zniavre> 10.04 >10.10>11.04>11.10>12.04 maybe faster to reinstall all the OS
[14:37] <bazhang> zniavre, one step lts to lts
[14:38] <zniavre> 12.04 is not lts yet
[14:38] <zniavre> it should be released no ?
[14:38] <bazhang> when it is
[14:38] <MikeH> so can I not go straight to 12.04?
[14:38] <Daekdroom> Not yet.
[14:38] <zniavre> in april
[14:38] <bazhang> MikeH, once it is released it's one step
[14:39] <bazhang> it's just alpha 2 now, so may be prudent to wait
[14:39] <bazhang> or you could follow what zniavre suggested
[14:41] <zniavre> do you (tester's) experience some theme bugs on precise too ? like wrong menus fg/bg colors ?
[14:44] <MikeH> bazhang: To be honest, I'd be less labour intensive to just go with a fresh install
[14:45] <MikeH> I'll hang on - It's only really one package that sparked the interest.
[14:45] <bazhang> MikeH, thats fine, you can do that anytime, then just keep update/upgrade to final
[14:45] <MikeH> What are the chances of a simple package working off the bat straight out of the precise repo into lucid?
[14:45] <bazhang> none
[14:46] <MikeH> heh, I used to do stuff like this all the time with Debian. I haven't really kept up with Ubuntu
[14:47] <MikeH> saying that, we're probably going back to woody the last time I did a major upgrade
[14:49] <philinux> zniavre: yes it's bugged
[14:50] <philinux> zniavre: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/925895
[14:50] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 925895 in unity "Ambiance sub-menus light like Radiance after latest light-themes update." [Undecided,Confirmed]
[14:50] <zniavre> philinux,  thnak you
[14:54] <Daekdroom> philinux, zniavre: the menus are meant to be white, except those at the panel.
[14:54] <Daekdroom> The panel submenus are white instead of black. Every other white menu is meant to be white.
[14:56] <Daekdroom> I mean, the only real bug there is that submenus on Unity are white.
[14:56] <philinux> Daekdroom: not with ambiance
[14:58] <Daekdroom> philinux, they CHANGED the theme.
[14:58] <Daekdroom> The only menus meant to be black now are those at the top bar, including indicators.
[14:59] <jokerdino> Daekdroom: that is a known bug.
[14:59] <philinux> Daekdroom: in that case I'll find a workaround it's horrid
[14:59] <Daekdroom> jokerdino, I know it is. But I'm explaining to him that not every white menu is a bug.
[14:59] <jokerdino> it is a bug, i had a little tweet convo with cimi
[14:59] <Daekdroom> I asked it in #ubuntu-unity yesterday.
[15:00] <zniavre> bug ping pong ?
[15:00] <jokerdino> what changed between then and now? :/
[15:00] <zniavre> unico vs gtk+3
[15:03] <Daekdroom> There is a bug about menu colors, but right-click menu being white is not one of them.
[15:07] <philinux> Daekdroom: what about the adwaita dark theme
[15:07] <Daekdroom> What about it?
[15:07] <philinux> Daekdroom: when I right click on the desktop I dont want to be blinded  lol
[15:07] <Daekdroom> Huh.. I've never used adwaita dark..
[15:20] <glosoli> Anyone is getting Shutdown and reboot hangs from time to time ?
[15:29] <glosoli> zzecool: Hey, have this problem ever occured to you ?
[15:31] <penguin42> hmm vlc seems to fall to pieces completely when playing a dvd - bad blocks all over
[15:32] <penguin42> ah - needs larger buffer
[15:42] <zzecool> glosoli: hey no man
[15:42] <zzecool> glosoli: all good here
[15:42] <zzecool> penguin42: dvd 's ?
[15:43] <zzecool> i think dvd's are so 1990 ;p
[15:45] <zzecool> j/k
[15:50] <glosoli> zzecool: do you know where pid is located ?
[15:50] <zzecool> what
[15:50] <zzecool> ?
[15:53] <zzecool> glosoli: ?
[15:58] <glosoli> zzecool: some file called pid or smth like that
[15:59] <adrth> so what file should I edit to modify my PATH variable?
[16:01] <brendand> why doesn't indicator-sound show what rhythmbox is playing?
[16:02] <adrth>  /etc/environment doesn't seem to be evaluated when starting the shell
[16:05] <Daekdroom> brendand, it's currently bugged, it seems.
[16:06] <brendand> Daekdroom, seems like there's no connection between them at all
[16:06] <Daekdroom> What do you mean?
[16:06] <Daekdroom> The controls are working. It's just not displaying the song info correctly.
[16:11] <zzecool> glosoli: i think as pid you mean the  "process id"
[16:11] <zzecool> right ?
[16:13] <zzecool> glosoli: ?
[16:16] <glosoli> zzecool: yes I think that's what I need, as i remember, once I deleted it. some time ago, reboot and etc was fine to me :( now again it hangs from time to time, such a pity
[16:16] <zzecool> erm
[16:17] <zzecool> as pid i refer to the  process id of every  process
[16:17] <zzecool> type "ps aux" in terminal
[16:17] <zzecool> the first number is the pid
[16:18] <penguin42> zzecool: 1990s true
[16:18] <zzecool> glosoli:  i can understand what you have deleted
[16:18] <zzecool> penguin42: :)
[16:21] <penguin42> zzecool: still; I tend not to copy stuff and the occasional bought DVD is cheaper than a subscription to any of the overpriced film services (that are rather closed) - especially since I tend to buy the DVDs second hand
[16:21] <penguin42> zzecool: and I can't be bothered ripping them
[16:22] <zzecool> penguin42: i can agree
[16:22] <penguin42> this Kill Bill v1 I just watched was only about £1.75
[16:27] <zzecool> Cool movie !
[16:27] <zzecool> i like it so much
[16:27] <zzecool> You have a point
[16:27] <brendand> Daekdroom, for me the controls don't work
[16:28] <zzecool> instead of using netflix to buy the dvds
[16:28] <penguin42> zzecool: However, I did find that Dragon player crashes on scene selection
[16:28] <brendand> Daekdroom, also if you click the 'Ryhthmbox' menu entry it doesn't do anything
[16:28] <brendand> Daekdroom, know of any existing bugs on this? otherwise i'll be raising some
[16:28] <zzecool> penguin42:  hmmm i think vlc uses bugzilla or something for bug reports
[16:28] <zzecool> im not sure
[16:28] <penguin42> zzecool: vlc worked nicely
[16:28] <zzecool> ah
[16:29] <glosoli> zzecool: " i can understand what you have deleted"  ?
[16:29] <Daekdroom> brendand, I haven't seen any bug report on that, but the issues are very likely known.
[16:29] <zzecool> glosoli: you said that you have deleted the pid file
[16:30] <glosoli> zzecool:I can't just saw somewhere in internet, it was my last try..  hate that some problems, after about one year still lasts :)
[16:30] <zzecool> glosoli: what is the problem im still confused
[16:30] <zzecool> ?
[16:30] <glosoli> No Webcam support even if it's UVC in my Asus, no suspend, hybernate, no proper reboot or shutdown (from time to time hangs)
[16:30] <zzecool> ohh i c
[16:31] <glosoli> I am ubuntu fan since probably Ubuntu 6,04 or even before, but sometimes I just hate ;D
[16:33] <zzecool> i know the feeling
[16:33] <zzecool> i had a webcam problem too
[16:33] <zzecool> but i found some driver modules to load
[16:34] <zzecool> for my camera in sony vaio
[16:34] <glosoli> zzecool: webcam problem lats so long.. they say that they support UVC properly, but it aint looking so. :)
[16:34] <glosoli> lasts''
[16:36] <glosoli> zzecool: And all thet incompatibility is for availability of installing Ubuntu into any computer :/
[16:36] <glosoli> that''
[16:38] <zzecool> glosoli: if you search you will find some fix for the camera
[16:38] <zzecool> im sure
[16:38] <zzecool> ill brb
[16:39] <zzecool> bb
[17:07] <webm0nk3y> apport collect seems to be triggered now whether you hit cancel or not
[17:19] <Volkodav> anybody has issues with nvidia? Mine does not load the module for some reason
[17:19] <Volkodav> 2 different kernels 2 sets of drivers 290 and 295 ?
[17:21] <sahil_> makin marlin default file manager?
[17:21] <sahil_> is t possible?
[17:23] <glosoli> which package is responsible for system reboot/shutdown ?
[17:24] <jbicha> glosoli: there are several packages, can you give some more details about your problem?
[17:25] <glosoli> jbicha: reboot/shutdown from time to time hangs, and I need to press power off button, to turn off computer :/
[17:26] <philinux> glosoli: at leaset do an REISUB rather than power button
[17:26] <glosoli> glosoli: oh, I mean Laptop, sorry for mistype
[17:26] <philinux> power button last resort
[17:26] <glosoli> oh philinux that was meant for you
[17:27] <glosoli> philinux: so back to the name of package ?
[17:27] <glosoli> what can be name of it ?
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[17:29] <philinux> glosoli: did you see this post in the thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11700789&postcount=3
[17:30] <glosoli> philinux: but this is not a solution or is it ? It seems for me like for one time usage of a command which will try to do restart or shutdown ? or it will override some settings in my computer /
[17:30] <glosoli> ?
[17:35] <philinux> glosoli: does it just misbehave sometimes
[17:36] <glosoli> philinux: yes, from time to time, not always, but today happened 2 times
[17:36] <philinux> glebihan: I would not worry then since still alpha 2. Use reisub
[17:37] <philinux> glosoli: I would not worry then since still alpha 2. Use reisub TYPO
[17:37] <bjsnider> Volkodav, more info needed
[17:37] <glosoli> philinux: The same problems I was having in Oneiric :))
[17:38] <Volkodav> care to look at the relevant part of the log ?
[17:38] <bjsnider> yeah
[17:39]  * Volkodav booting up the laptop
[17:41] <sahil_> how to upgrade to fgrlx 12.1 without breaking the system?
[17:41] <sahil_> flgrx*
[17:41] <bjsnider> use jockey. that's what it's there for]
[17:41] <glosoli> sahil_: remove current drivers
[17:41] <glosoli> jockey is outdated
[17:42] <glosoli> 11.11
[17:42] <sahil_> ya m running on11.11
[17:42] <sahil_> i wanna insatll 12.1
[17:42] <sahil_> i have downloaded the 12.1 .run file,but in oneric i was left with broken system...so...
[17:43] <glosoli> sahil_: remove it using jockey, when download from ati wbsite and do "sudo sh filename --buildpkg Ubuntu/precise", check the messages it may show that some packages are needed (be sure to read debug) after then you do sudo pkg -i thoose_debs.deb
[17:43] <glosoli> sahil_: What you mean by broken system ?
[17:44] <glosoli> sahil_: it may be broken if you forget to do "sudo aticonfig --initial" after installation is done
[17:45] <sahil_> well,my entire desktop was a mess...at some point even x was not starting,at last i purged the pacakages and insatlled 11.11,now on precise i dont wana take risk
[17:45] <sahil_> i did that
[17:45] <glosoli> sahil_: ah, so then stick with what you have in Jockey, if you are not ready for experiments
[17:45] <glosoli> :)
[17:46] <Volkodav> !paste
[17:46] <ubottu> For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[17:46] <sahil_> i wish to get forward with xeperiment till i knw there is a path to comeback ;)
[17:46] <thedudeabides> i'm running precise pangolin and the latest nvidia-current is crashing unity when running webgl on firefox
[17:47] <Volkodav1> bjsnider: http://paste.ubuntu.com/851629/
[17:49] <sahil_> glosoli,can i insatll 12.1 directly without purging present pacakages?
[17:50] <bjsnider> volkodav1, you'll have to also check the kernel log and dmesg
[17:50] <bjsnider> all it says is module-specific error
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[17:54] <Volkodav1> bjsnider: dmesg ==> http://paste.ubuntu.com/851634/
[17:54] <sahil_> vmware installation problem
[17:54] <sahil_> http://pastebin.com/GALGhe6u
[17:55] <sahil_> modilues are not complied and loaded in memory
[17:55] <glosoli> sahil_: no you can't.
[17:55] <glosoli> sahil_: then you will probably just have a broken system :)
[17:55] <sahil_> O.o why is dat?
[17:55] <sahil_> vmware workstation 8 not supported in ubuntu?
[17:56] <glosoli> sahil_: it is supported :)
[17:56] <glosoli> used it
[17:56] <sahil_> installation was  crreamy...where i m wrong now?
[17:57] <glosoli> sahil_: What you mean by creamy ?
[17:57] <glosoli> sahil_: this is testing version, everything might be fine in stable release :)
[17:57] <sahil_> ismooth,the insatller didnt report any problem
[17:57] <sahil_> sory installer*
[17:58] <Volkodav1> bjsnider: http://paste.ubuntu.com/851638/  <== kernel log
[17:58] <glosoli> sahil_: so would you mind reapeating what's your problem ?
[17:58] <sahil_> okey i can wait...
[17:59] <sahil_> well wen i try to launch vmware,its showing some modules must be complied and loaled in kernal,when i click insatll...it fails and gives an error log..which i pastebin'ed above
[17:59] <sahil_> loaded*
[18:00] <sahil_> it is occuring for vmware player as well as vmware workstation
[18:01] <glosoli> sahil_: Ah, have you got any reason not to try virtualbox ?
[18:02] <bjsnider> volkodav1, there's really no information at all about why the problem is happening
[18:02] <Volkodav1> bjsnider: I may need to reactivate the mactell ppa for Mac support - did not touch any ppas since upgrade
[18:02] <sahil_> i love virtual box and used it untill now...just wished to shift over vmware,i read couple of articles which stated its gfx capabilites are higher then that of vbox
[18:04] <Volkodav1> hmm it is not available for Pangolin yet
[18:05] <sahil_> glosoli, wats the reason of failure?sory m ot good at reading log files...
[18:05] <sahil_> m not good at reading log files*
[18:08] <glosoli> sahil_: Sorry dunno what can be the failure, never used VMWare for long :) VirtualBox always was enough for me but now being fully ubuntized :)
[18:09] <sahil_> haha...its coz for my stupid .net project i need MY-cro_soft
[18:09] <sahil_> MY-crow-soft*
[18:14] <glosoli> sahil_: hah ;D but why do you need good gfx performance ? :D
[18:15] <sahil_> just to test games may b ;)
[18:15] <sahil_> well i find wine too complicated
[18:15] <sahil_> 4-5 wine related program which does what is really confusing
[18:16] <sahil_> anyway can we setmarlin as default brower?
[18:16] <sahil_> can we set marlin as default file manager*
[18:18] <ironhalik> wine's not that bad
[18:18] <ironhalik> but I prefer beer ;>
[18:19] <sahil_> haha
[18:20] <sahil_> i prefer vodka
[18:20] <sahil_> >:D
[18:20] <glosoli> ironhalik: :DD +1
[18:30] <Guest45569> greetings
[18:31] <Guest45569> greetings: I've just installed Precise Pangolin on my machine, what should I do to get everything running smoothly? what should I add to my repository?
[18:33] <glosoli> Guest45569: There is no promise Precise will run smoothly
[18:34] <Guest45569> glosoli: it's been runnning smoothly so far - i just need to install gnome desktop environment
[18:34] <glosoli> Guest45569: Yes, but what I meant is, from time to time it might crash as this is testing release :)
[18:39] <Guest45569> glosoli: then should i install a previous release?
[19:12] <psusi> I think I just creamed my pants a little.... Ubuntu on my smartphone?  Now where's the code?!
[19:16] <glosoli> psusi: haha ;D Mark is gaining ideas ;D
[19:23] <cheako> Hello, aufs kernel module missing?  I'm attempting to fold cow image + squashfs into new squashfs.
[19:24] <DebolazW> I was told to use some command to report a bug in Unity where application titles arent drawn correctly. But a) I cant remember what the command was and b) I'm not sure which package to file it under. Also, theres already a bug created for this in launchpad as far as I can tell (But I was told to report it anyway). Can anyone help me? :)
[19:26] <psusi> glosoli, after talking with the linaro guys over a few beers at UDS I had a feeling this idea was kicking around and was excited by it... now I must find the code!
[19:27] <glosoli> psusi: hah, I am just interested how they will manage to fight with android
[19:29] <Whoopie> Hi, I'm running ubuntu precise with gnome-session-fallback. I'd like to know how to disable the scrolling in the applications menu. Somehow, the arrows are shown although there's enough space to display the whole application menu.
[19:53] <ironhalik> anyone lost hibernation lately?
[19:54] <ironhalik> Ive got no menu entry, pm-hibernate puts my pc down, but wont turn it off
[19:54] <ironhalik> and logs claim it all went ok
[19:54] <glosoli> ironhalik: lost it but not lately :)
[19:55] <glosoli> ironhalik: It won't turn it off, but you turn it off manualy, when load computer like from hybernate yes ?
[19:55] <ironhalik> well, I installed precise lately :P
[19:55] <ironhalik> not sure :)
[19:55] <ironhalik> its quite possible
[19:55] <glosoli> ironhalik: same here :) hybernate never worked for my asus. so I had some fixes to do like always, to get it work
[19:55] <glosoli> ironhalik: are you using fglrx ?
[19:55] <ironhalik> no, nouveau
[19:56] <glosoli> ironhalik: ah, they will fix you :) until stable I'm sure, ATI is long time shit. :) In btw, offtopic, what IRC client you use ?
[19:56] <ironhalik> irssi via znc bouncer
[19:57] <glosoli> ironhalik: terminal ?
[19:57] <ironhalik> yeah
[19:57] <glosoli> hmm
[19:57] <ironhalik> you use smuxi I see
[19:58] <ironhalik> why do you ask?
[19:58] <glosoli> ironhalik: yes, but thinking of getting rid of it :)
[19:58] <glosoli> ironhalik: crashing too much for me
[19:58] <ironhalik> oh well, irssi can seem to have a steep learning curve
[19:58] <glosoli> thinking of xchat
[19:59] <ironhalik> but now, I wouldnt trade it for anything
[19:59] <glosoli> ironhalik: Ah, I don't quite like idea of irssi being terminal
[20:00] <ironhalik> I make the terminal with irssi go fullscreen on another workspace
[20:00] <ironhalik> works great for me
[20:03] <ironhalik> so hows xchat? :)
[20:03] <glosoli> piece of crap :D trying irssi ;D
[20:04] <ironhalik> yeah, tried it too
[20:04] <ironhalik> I prefer irssi ;>
[20:05] <ironhalik> I remember, like a good 10 years ago
[20:05] <ironhalik> friend told me that irssi over a bouncer is the only way to go
[20:05] <ironhalik> couldnt understand why someone would prefer text client over mIRC ;>
[20:05] <ironhalik> now its the other way around
[20:11] <glosoli> ironhalik: nah, doesn't suite me either :/ will stay with smuxi
[20:11] <ironhalik> :P
[20:12] <ironhalik> just crashcourse for irssi: /server irc.freenode.net, /join #ubuntu+1
[20:12] <ironhalik> :P
[20:12] <zzecool> glosoli: ?
[20:12] <glosoli> zzecool:   ? ;D
[20:13] <zzecool> glebihan: di you did the updateS?
[20:13] <ironhalik> ironhalik: ?
[20:13] <zzecool> oups
[20:13] <zzecool> glosoli: did you did the updates?
[20:13] <glosoli> zzecool: I did, some of them, because dist want's to remove my qt
[20:14] <zzecool> glosoli: there is a dependency problem with multiarch QT libraries
[20:14] <glosoli> qt designer and other developemenet stuff
[20:14] <glosoli> zzecool: ye ye
[20:14] <zzecool> ahhh ok
[20:14] <ironhalik> whoa, smuxi is in .net?!
[20:15] <glosoli> ironhalik: seems like, that's why I wanted to get rid of it :/
[20:15] <jtaylor> why?
[20:15] <glosoli> ironhalik: I hate MS :D
[20:15] <jtaylor> mono is not written by MS
[20:16] <ironhalik> yeah but its supposed to port MS .net
[20:16] <ironhalik> or whatever it does with it :)
[20:16] <jtaylor> and cli is an excellent framework
[20:16] <jtaylor> + free
[20:16] <ironhalik> shame it doesnt support silverlight + DRM
[20:17] <ironhalik> I cant watch local VOD on linux that way
[20:17] <jtaylor> that I consider good :P
[20:17] <crizzy> it's supposed to implement ecma standard c# spec, not "port .net"
[20:17] <jtaylor> not only c#
[20:17] <jtaylor> there are a bunch of other languages supported too
[20:18] <jtaylor> in ubuntu/debian vb.net and boo
[20:18] <ironhalik> yeah, most of the .net languages
[20:18] <jtaylor> f# should be nice but not supported here
[20:18] <crizzy> monodevelop+mono is more or less sanest dev environment available for linux :/
[20:19] <jtaylor> and nunit addin works now again in oneiriuc ;) (fixed it today ._. )
[20:19] <ironhalik> hmm, I use eclipse on day to day basis
[20:19] <ironhalik> and I miss visual studio :P
[20:19] <glosoli> ironhalik: I am happy with eclipse + qtdesigner :)
[20:19] <crizzy> there's no match for visual studio profiling, word on that
[20:20] <jtaylor> really?
[20:20] <ironhalik> well, IMHO, generally speaking, when it comes to devs and developer frameworks etc, microsoft knows its shit
[20:20] <jtaylor> never used VS profiler, but callgrind and oprofile a pretty nice
[20:20] <crizzy> there's _nothing_ usable for profiling on linux
[20:20] <jtaylor> whats wrong with callgrind?
[20:20] <crizzy> does not do the job
[20:20] <jtaylor> thats super easy to use
[20:20] <crizzy> try profiling librocket for example with it then
[20:20] <jtaylor> for more sophisticated stuff you have oprofile
[20:20] <penguin42> crizzy: Have you tried perf ?
[20:21] <crizzy> (damned ** crap lib btw :P)
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[20:21] <ironhalik> hmm, btw, is there any decent IDE for objective-c?
[20:21] <ironhalik> on linux?
[20:22] <crizzy> penguin42: doesn't produce anything useful
[20:22] <penguin42> crizzy: Really? How are you driving it - I find perf one of the few useable ones
[20:22] <glosoli> ironhalik: eclipse ? ;D
[20:22] <ironhalik> glosoli: there some evil project named objectiveclipse, and thats that
[20:23] <ironhalik> someone could do something like wine for mac apps
[20:25] <crizzy> penguin42: doesn't help anything and it's really not useful at all for debugging something like c++ library trace for functions when profiling for problems
[20:26] <crizzy> although... no tool can help in fixing librocket anyway =P damned mess..
[20:27] <penguin42> crizzy: perf can do call profiling
[20:27] <crizzy> it doesn't produce anything useful for this particular case
[20:28] <penguin42> crizzy: Are you on x86?
[20:28] <crizzy> which our dev team has been fighting for months
[20:28] <crizzy> x64
[20:28] <penguin42> crizzy: OK, so make sure you're using latest perf and check out how you're driving it - I'd be kind of interested to know why it's not producing good results - I've had good luck with it
[20:29] <crizzy> get librocket, populate huge table with datagrid, and have fun profiling...
[20:29] <crizzy> (more persicely what i'm doing is new ui for warsow, www.warsow.net)
[20:30] <glosoli> ironhalik: smuxi disconnected me once again, sorry may you repeat if you replied ?
[20:31] <jtaylor> a smuxi server + persistent buffers is neat :P never miss anything
[20:31] <crizzy> penguin42: as nice as it is to have html/css ui for the game.. goddamned, that librocket can't handle datagrid (a table) with more than 10-20~ lines without dropping fps to around 30
[20:31] <glosoli> jtaylor: hmm are they ?
[20:32] <crizzy> or well.. i do know the *problem* is that librocket is extremely stupid with its algoritms to update elements.. but finding out any sensible way to fix it... pffh...
[20:32] <jtaylor> glosli: are they what?
[20:32] <glosoli> jtaylor: neat ?
[20:32] <jtaylor> I really like them
[20:32] <glosoli> jtaylor: but what you use for chat ?
[20:33] <jtaylor> though I never really tried any other irc programs besides mirc ~ 10 years ago
[20:34] <glosoli> crizzy: just for curiosity, what language you program the most ?
[20:34] <jtaylor> C and python
[20:34] <jtaylor> ups not me ;/
[20:34] <glosoli> jtaylor: good to know from you too :) I am learning Python
[20:35] <crizzy> glosoli: depends on the project :P with warsow c & as
[20:35] <glosoli> crizzy: as - assembler  ?
[20:35] <crizzy> nono, angelscript
[20:35] <glosoli> crizzy: haha ;D thought you're crazy :D
[20:35] <crizzy> c++ -alike syntaxed scripting language ot our c api
[20:36] <crizzy> and ye when it comes to profiling these c++ libs, it's driving me nuts
[20:36] <crizzy> c++ is tool of the best compared to c :P
[20:36] <glosoli> jtaylor: for python what you use to do the gui stuff/if you do ?
[20:36] <crizzy> *BEAST i mean
[20:37] <jtaylor> I rarely do gui stuff, I have used pyqt in the past, was quite ok
[20:37] <glosoli> crizzy: sure it is, but when I saw Python, I found it to be language I will stay on as long as possible
[20:37] <glosoli> just suits me
[20:38] <crizzy> you can't really write 3D games with python ;)
[20:38] <jtaylor> you probably can with pypy
[20:38] <crizzy> apart from single crapolas that barely count as tech demos
[20:39] <crizzy> doom3 was kinda funny c++ engine
[20:39] <crizzy> c style and background sticks out of it like a fork
[20:39] <crizzy> basically the classic quake engine just reformatted in c++ :)
[20:39] <crizzy> (with more advanced renderer ofc)
[20:40] <glosoli> crizzy: I'm not game type person at all, interested in different stuff, as for games if I will write something in the future, it will be web browser based, in btw, when you make program game/how you keep it multi os supported ? do you have Macbook or smth ?
[20:40] <crizzy> nah, i'm going to drop OS X support from next warsow rel
[20:40] <crizzy> linux/windows only
[20:41] <crizzy> os x opengl performance is so horrendous not worth the trouble. worst platform for developing any opengl stuff
[20:41] <crizzy> not mentioning annoyances that can't cross-compile for macs.. and the fact i don't have mac anymore and never will again ;)
[20:41] <glosoli> crizzy: why not and why never - if it's not too personal ?
[20:42] <crizzy> going too closed
[20:42] <crizzy> and crappy opengl support
[20:42] <crizzy> waited for several releases for that to get fixed
[20:43] <crizzy> and i'm not going to pay triple price for hardware :P
[20:44] <glosoli> crizzy: hehe, thought they we only overpriced in my country when it cost three times your salary ;D
[20:45] <glosoli> I mean average salary'' or even more than three times
[20:45] <glosoli> Now just looking to get some money, to change my Asus N61JA, to get rid of ATI.. such a waste if you want to use linux :(
[20:45] <crizzy> and for the playing itself.. it's not possible to play esport fps'es on mac anyway, stupid mouse accel
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[20:46] <glosoli> that computer just flies for windows, but when it comes to linux, it begins to suck from time to time
[20:47] <ironhalik> hmm, weechat is evil
[20:47] <crizzy> my ati works fine on linux
[20:47] <crizzy> for gaming too
[20:47] <ironhalik> hmm, my intel works fine on linux too ;>
[20:47] <glosoli> crizzy: eh, which driver version you use and which card you have ?
[20:48] <ironhalik> but I loose 30% of battery life for having linux ;>
[20:48] <crizzy> hd6870
[20:48] <crizzy> whatever version ubuntu 11.10 has :P
[20:49] <glosoli> crizzy: I have 5730, do you have any problems with reboot or shutdown ?
[20:50] <crizzy> sometimes crashes on shutdown iirc
[20:50] <glosoli> crizzy: have you ever been getting shutdown hangs or something like that ?
[20:50] <psusi> they really do need to fix the bloody power consumption problems with the ati drivers... I wish the damn firmware wasn't closed source so I could look into fixing it myself
[20:50] <glosoli> psusi: yeah, in windows i was getting 3 hours, in Ubunt max 2 hours
[20:51] <psusi> glosoli: did you try the aspm_force parameter phornoix raves about?
[20:51] <crizzy> ye
[20:51] <psusi> it shouldn't make a damn bit of difference, but they say it does
[20:51] <crizzy> didn't concern myself too much over it, tho
[20:51] <crizzy> just hit power button :;P
[20:52] <crizzy> ati also has the best open drivers
[20:52] <psusi> except that 90% of the video driver is the closed source binary blob firmware running on the gpu
[20:53] <crizzy> well, so?
[20:53] <crizzy> works like dream
[20:53] <crizzy> i don't care for gnussolini-ideology
[20:54] <psusi> they do have it working pretty well.. just seems a little silly to have an "open source driver" that isn't really open source
[20:54] <astraljava> A little hard to call it "best open driver", though.
[20:54] <psusi> and I'd really like to get a look at the actual code in there
[20:54] <crizzy> well there are no other any decent driver than atis
[20:54] <psusi> intel's drivers seem to be pretty good
[20:54] <astraljava> nouveau, intel?
[20:55] <crizzy> intels drivers are USELESS
[20:55] <ironhalik> they work for me
[20:55] <ironhalik> much better then nouveau
[20:55] <psusi> crizzy: they have always worked just fine for me
[20:55] <ironhalik> they say theyre crap with lates core i CPUs
[20:55] <crizzy> have fun running any opengl stuff with them apart of glxgears
[20:55] <ironhalik> or at least had some major problems
[20:56] <psusi> works for me...
[20:56] <astraljava> crizzy: They've always worked much better for instance in device auto-detection, than the closed drivers from AMD.
[20:56] <psusi> of course, their gpus aren't all that fast...
[20:56] <ironhalik> crizzy: most intel cards are not supposed to run anything but compiz ;>
[20:56] <crizzy> the driver itself is useless
[20:56] <crizzy> also on windows
[20:56] <crizzy> it doesn't even support opengl 1.5 spec no matter what it claims
[20:56] <ironhalik> OpenTTD works on intel ;>
[20:56] <astraljava> crizzy: No, just not supporting that particular use-case.
[20:57] <astraljava> Hardly makes them useless.
[20:57] <ironhalik> hmm, ok, so are there any decend video drivers for linux? :>
[20:57] <crizzy> ati has the best drivers :P
[20:58] <crizzy> (nowadays)
[20:58]  * psusi wonders why running md5sum to verify all of the files on an fs that takes 26 minutes on the original disk only takes 7 when run on a sparse image of it... weird...
[20:58] <crizzy> dno about low-end cards though
[20:58] <astraljava> Not for linux, they don't. Never had problems with Nvidia closed-source drivers, whereas ATi's/AMD's have been a pain-in-the-4$$, and still are.
[20:59] <htorque> yeah, we got a ton of questions at askubuntu.com to proof that. :P
[20:59] <crizzy> no pain at all
[20:59] <crizzy> works great and _very_ good performance
[20:59] <glosoli> how much "ILOVE" smuxi....
[20:59] <glosoli> psusi: I found GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash pcie_aspm=force" yes ?
[21:00] <astraljava> crizzy: Then why can't they be configured to work with my dual screen setup? They are not able to detect that the LED screen's native resolution is 1920x1080.
[21:00] <psusi> glosoli: yea... supposedly that fixes the power issue, even though it shouldn't
[21:00] <glosoli> psusi: What it should do then ?
[21:01] <crizzy> works fine on my 120hz led
[21:01] <astraljava> crizzy: At least not with the graphical control application that comes with the drivers. Haven't bothered with xorg.conf tweaking manually, as that shouldn't be required on _modern_ drivers.
[21:01] <crizzy> other than that, i'm not ati support, just stating their driver performance is excellent
[21:01] <psusi> the pcie bus can enter lower power states when it is idle... not that an idle pcie bus in the regular state consumes more than a few milliwats of power...  for safety sake, this is disabled by default
[21:02] <astraljava> crizzy: Ahh... _performance_.
[21:02] <astraljava> crizzy: See, that doesn't cover all preferences of a driver's excellence over the others.
[21:02] <glosoli> psusi: so this is risky ?
[21:02] <psusi> so forcing aspm on should only save at most a few milliwats... but phornoix says it's a magic bullet for the ati power issues
[21:03] <crizzy> and with ati you can always trust linux/win drivers have the same features
[21:03] <crizzy> they use the same codebase for both and release drivers at the same time
[21:03] <psusi> glosoli: sort of... it can cause subtle delays when activity starts again and the bus has to power back up, which can screw up badly behaved drivers, so the kernel devs disabled it by default and said the driver should ask to turn it on when it knows it can handle it
[21:04] <glosoli> psusi: so do you recommended turning it on ?
[21:04] <psusi> glosoli: it's worth a try... phornoix says it fixes the power consumption issue
[21:05] <psusi> worst that can happen is you get glitchy graphics or hangs and have to switch it back off
[21:05] <glosoli> psusi: but fixes one problem and had probability to make another, doesn't sound good for me
[21:05] <glosoli> ;D
[21:05] <glosoli> if it only to get 30 mins
[21:05] <glosoli> then I don't think
[21:05] <glosoli> I would try it at all ;D
[21:06] <glosoli> When I get enough money, will remember to get my hands off ATI/AMD stuff when buying new laptop :)
[21:06] <ironhalik> hmm, Im thinking about getting some low end video card for my desktop
[21:06] <ironhalik> and thinking about AMD ones
[21:06] <glosoli> crizzy: what do you know about Catalyst A.I. ?
[21:07] <glosoli> ironhalik: crizzy says it's all good for thing, using ati, I say, that was the worst mistake I did buying laptop with ATI
[21:07] <crizzy> for desktops ati is a good choice
[21:07] <crizzy> fine open drivers + working proprietary one
[21:08] <crizzy> laptops, i don't know, what i heard usually these chips are somewhat incompabile with the drivers
[21:08] <ironhalik> glosoli: it may be that youve got some wierd OEM card in your laptop, that has mediocre support
[21:09] <glosoli> ironhalik: what's mediocre (in btw, it's not only me, my friend who bought dell with ATI, said the same, will never do that thing again)
[21:09] <ironhalik> for my nvidia proprietary drivers cause Xorg to eat up one core of my CPU
[21:09] <ironhalik> my brother has a notebook with nvidia optimus
[21:09] <ironhalik> the intel/nvidia switching thingy
[21:10] <ironhalik> he sacrafices nvidia gt240 for linux ;>
[21:10] <ironhalik> there absolutely no support for that
[21:10] <glosoli> ironhalik: hmm, In my laptop there is also intel card, but there is no possibility to switch as far as I know
[21:10] <ironhalik> no option in bios?
[21:10] <glosoli> ironhalik: nah :)
[21:10] <glosoli> asus bios for laptops sucks
[21:11] <glosoli> ironhalik: ah, in btw my laptop is partly bios/uefi
[21:11] <glosoli> ubuntu has no good support for uefi
[21:11] <ironhalik> I guess its the wors of both worlds ;>
[21:12] <zzecool> ahhh nvidia always was better in linux
[21:12] <psusi> glosoli: how so?
[21:12] <zzecool> since my first days on linux one decade and more
[21:12] <crizzy> i bought thinkpad as laptop since it was certified for ubuntu ;)
[21:12] <glosoli> ironhalik: some months ago when I was still using windows most of the time, was able to install Windows using UEFI, with Ubuntu fails :)
[21:13] <glosoli> psusi: what you mean by how so :) ?
[21:13] <ironhalik> hmm, strange
[21:13] <zzecool> crizzy: i hate the retro design
[21:13] <glosoli> zzecool: upgraded safely, dependencies fixed :)
[21:13] <psusi> glosoli: how does ubuntu not play with uefi well?  I converted my system to use it a few months ago...
[21:13] <zzecool> rly?
[21:13] <zzecool> i will upgrade agian now  then
[21:13] <zzecool> :D
[21:13] <zzecool> i did it before
[21:14] <ironhalik>   what retro design?!
[21:14] <glosoli> psusi: Dunno , i try boot cd using UEFI, it gives me some kind of prefix error, after that hangs on black screen - or maybe I miss something ?
[21:14] <ironhalik> thinkpads are the best! ;>
[21:14] <crizzy> zzecool: i love it :P
[21:14] <zzecool> ironhalik: of thickpad
[21:14] <ironhalik> ;>
[21:14] <glosoli> ironhalik: I don't like design for lenovos ;D
[21:14] <ironhalik> the only thing I dont like about thinkpad is they stuck with 4:3 displays for long time
[21:15] <zzecool> i like Macbook design
[21:15] <zzecool> i think they rule em all
[21:15] <zzecool> :D
[21:15] <crizzy> macs are ugly
[21:15] <psusi> glosoli: I think I saw a bug filed recently that had something to do with setting the prefix on efi systems in precise
[21:15] <ironhalik> well, with thinkpads its not about the looks, its the quality, the keyboard, and the fact you can bludgeon people do death with them
[21:15] <zzecool> i like smooth minimal deisign
[21:15] <crizzy> i have this unibody macbook pro at work.. overheating crap
[21:15] <zzecool> hard edges is the past
[21:15] <glosoli> psusi: UEFI, but I have no idea, how I can benefit from using UEFI with Ubuntu ?
[21:15] <zzecool> crizzy: lol rly?
[21:16] <zzecool> the aluminum one the latest?
[21:16] <psusi> glosoli: well, you can boot from disks > 2 TB ;)
[21:16] <crizzy> ye
[21:16] <crizzy> also the glass touchpad crapola cracked in half
[21:16] <crizzy> :/
[21:16] <cheako> Where is the aufs kernel module?
[21:16] <zzecool> lmao
[21:16] <glosoli> psusi: nothing else :) ?
[21:16] <ironhalik> the C2D macbooks did that, the aluminium unibody turned them into a giant radiators :)
[21:16] <crizzy> i will totally quit if i don't get thinkpad as next work computer =P
[21:16] <crizzy> but my boss is mac fanboy
[21:16] <crizzy> annoying
[21:16] <crizzy> no, i DO NOT want imac as work computer... pffh
[21:17] <ironhalik> cheako: its in the kernel
[21:17] <psusi> glosoli: that's about it... I'm still looking to find some UEFI applications to install to the EFI system partition
[21:17] <glosoli> crizzy: have a teacher at college which is completely mac fanboy, some kind of guy: long hair, stylish, iPhone4 on the table, MacBook  some of the unibody, and always comparing things to iPads and kinda shit.
[21:18] <zzecool> glosoli: long hair stylish  :O
[21:18] <glosoli> psusi: some were saying at the time it came, that you will be able to gain fast boot or smth like that ;D
[21:18] <glosoli> zzecool: don't get me brong, I am short cut ;D
[21:18] <glosoli> me wrong''
[21:18] <zzecool> im not
[21:18] <zzecool> :D
[21:18] <psusi> glosoli: I had one of those too... I enjoyed proving to him that photoshop ran faster on my PC that cost half as much as his mac ;)
[21:18] <zzecool> i look like a shogun ;p
[21:18] <glosoli> psusi: haha ;D that's true, photoshop on this laptop was running hell of a fast
[21:19] <glosoli> thinking of dual booting again ;D
[21:19] <cheako> ironhalik: Not here, /boot/config-3.2.0-9-generic-pae says config_aufs_fs=m and dpkg/locate/ect can't find it.
[21:19] <crizzy> glosoli: one of these 'show off' guys :P
[21:19] <ironhalik>     cheako hmm indead
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[21:20] <cheako> /proc/filesystems dosn't show it either.
[21:20] <psusi> glosoli: well, one of the nice things about macs is that you can hold down a key during boot and put it into a slave mode where yuo plug it into another mac via fire wire and it gets recognized as an external hd.. that's a UEFI application, but I have yet to find things like that I can download and install
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[21:20] <crizzy> glosoli: i rather show of piercings and tattoos than kiddy iToys ;)
[21:20] <zzecool> glosoli: im leaving maybe c ya later
[21:20] <zzecool> :D
[21:20] <glosoli> crizzy: yea, kinda like "oh see, i got more money than you, you can't afford to buy this crap of shit which lags running photoshop" :DD
[21:20] <glosoli> zzecool: c ya
[21:21] <cheako> ohh, -17 is an option.
[21:21] <glosoli> Compiz -> Open GL Plugin -> Lighting option<< Anybody knows what's the usage of it ?
[21:23] <crizzy> all i can say, my next tattoo project will cost more than crappy macbooks ;)
[21:23] <glosoli> psusi: sounds good, but usability not for everyone, I like one thing DELL's have, when you turn off computer and you still can charge phone via USB
[21:24] <cheako> I was a mac fan when it was ppc, but nowthat it's just an IBM...  what's the point?
[21:24] <glosoli> crizzy: hehe ;D sounds quite a tattoo :D maybe you are familiar with Compiz, OpenGL's Plugin Lighthing option ?
[21:25] <glosoli> In fact, yesterday I started reading that biography of Steve Jobs, kinda funny sometimes, some of the facts are real, where it say, that he didin't create any GUI, or anything, he just modified things ;D
[21:25] <psusi> glosoli: you know how android phones have the little thing when you plug in the charger but the phone is off, it starts up and gives just a basic screen showing the charge status, without loading the whole os?  that's another type of thing you could do with UEFI
[21:26] <crizzy> glosoli: nope, sorry
[21:26] <glosoli> psusi: hmm, but all of that will come with an effort, when it will be fully implemented in most of the computers, then people will start writing apps and etc
[21:26] <glosoli> crizzy: or maybe option in Catalyst: A.I. or smth like that ?
[21:28] <crizzy> i stay far away from compizconfig..
[21:29] <glosoli> crizzy: me too as much as possible
[21:31] <glosoli> ok, gtg, good night everyone :)
[21:31] <crizzy> :>
[21:32] <glosoli> 23:31 here crizzy ;D
[21:33] <crizzy> same here..
[21:34] <cheako> Same for 3.2.0-17-generic-pae
[21:40] <cheako> #938187
[21:44] <dat789> hi
[21:44] <dat789> anyone here?
[21:57] <jo-erlend> gnome-settings-daemon keeps going nuts on me. Is it common and well known?
[22:14] <ironhalik> hmm, where can I make a design suggestion about nautilus?
[22:14] <ironhalik> but Im not sure if its not a bug
[22:15] <ironhalik> the little hint in nautilus with full file name and size, pretty much all the time obscures the last file in list view
[22:54] <etfb> I've been using Kubuntu 11.10, but it's horrible (I used to be a KDE3 fan, but I've acclimatised to Unity).  I plan to reinstall Ubuntu, but I wonder: how stable is 12.04 for everyday use?
[22:56] <jtaylor> it varies, just a couple of seconds ago my X decided to crash again ._.
[22:57] <jtaylor> and I could not connect to a network for a week a few days back
[22:57] <jtaylor> not recommended for everyday use yet
[22:57] <jtaylor> neat big apport changes
[22:58] <ironhalik> well, for me at least, its running really nice
[22:58] <ironhalik> surprisingly nice
[22:59] <ironhalik> only feature thats broken right now is hibernation for me
[22:59] <ironhalik> and as for stability, only couple of back-end apps crashed
[23:00] <ironhalik> still, its alpha, youre better off with stable
[23:03] <etfb> I guess I'll reinstall 11.10 then.  I was going to wait to rebuild, because it's such a pain, but Kubuntu is a considerably bigger pain.
[23:07] <Tronic> Kubuntu has a rather big usability problem with Nvidia drivers (might affect other DEs as well).
[23:07] <Tronic>   dimensions:    1920x1080 pixels (1478x831 millimeters)
[23:07] <Tronic>   resolution:    33x33 dots per inch
[23:08] <Tronic> My TV screen is 1.5 meters wide and because of that, the font size is maybe 3 px. All text is unreadable.
[23:09] <Tronic> Maybe it would make more sense to use some fixed DPI value at all times instead of the actual screen DPI?
[23:09] <jtaylor> you can change trhe dpi of the font somewhere
[23:09] <Tronic> Yes, I googled as much.
[23:09] <Daekdroom> Ooooh. That is why Gnome uses fixed DPI 96!
[23:10] <Tronic> Of course changing it is rather difficult when you cannot read any of the text.
[23:10] <Daekdroom> I never thought it could get that bad.
[23:17] <psusi> no, it makes no sense to use anything other than the actual DPI... the problem is it ISN'T using the actual DPI
[23:18] <Tronic> psusi: 3 mm font size might be good on a laptop but it isn't on a TV nor on a cellphone.
[23:18] <psusi> Windows is retarded and uses a fixed dpi, which is why everything gets smaller and harder to read when you increase the resolution... I could have sworn that gnome did not do that
[23:18] <Tronic> With actual screen DPI you get always same physical size for your fonts and that just doesn't make sense.
[23:18] <psusi> Tronic, if it's a 12 point font, then it should be 12/72 of an inch high
[23:18] <psusi> of course it makes sense
[23:18] <Tronic> The same amount of pixels at all times is a much better option.
[23:19] <psusi> if you call for a 12 point font, that means it should be 12/72 of an inch tall, not more or less depending on the screen
[23:19] <Tronic> psusi: It should be a 12 pixel font, not 12 pt font.
[23:19] <psusi> no, font sizes are prescribed in points, which means x/72 of an inch
[23:19] <Tronic> psusi: That being said, could they fix the UNIX desktop so that is uses pixels for font sizes rather than points?
[23:19] <psusi> that would be breaking, not fixing
[23:19] <Tronic> (plus maybe a scaling factor for those pixel sizes because having one is convenient)
[23:20] <psusi> the whole point is for text to look the same no matter what the resolution of your monitor or printer is
[23:20] <Tronic> Also, it makes no sense in any case to use same font sizes on computer screens (around 100 DPI) and printed material (600-1200 DPI).
[23:21] <psusi> it does when the size is a phisical size ( points ) instead of pixels
[23:21] <Tronic> But then, this is all semantics and doesn't matter. What matters is that the user should have readable text on his screen.
[23:21] <Tronic> I am not getting any.
[23:22] <psusi> then either you aren't using the correct dpi, or are using a raster font
[23:22] <Tronic> psusi: You are entirely missing the point.
[23:22] <Tronic> My actual proper DPI is 33.
[23:23] <Tronic> KDE uses such font sizes that text is completely unreadable at this DPI, even when I am sitting less than one meter away from my TV.
[23:25] <psusi> ahh, you want it to be blown up so you can still see it at a distance... then I guess you need to lie about the dpi
[23:27] <psusi> or rather, lie about the size of the screen
[23:31] <Tronic> It would also help if the font was larger than 2-3 px (which is unreadable at any distance).
[23:32] <Tronic> I read online that I can edit fonts.conf to force the DPI.
[23:32] <Tronic> There is also a GUI option but I am unable to navigate to that.
[23:32] <psusi> that's because that's a very low resolution for such a large screen
[23:32] <psusi> 33 dpi is very low
[23:32] <Tronic> Well, it's a FullHD 52" TV.
[23:33] <jtaylor> connect a normal screen to navigate to the gui?
[23:34] <Tronic> I don't have any other screen.
[23:34] <psusi> yea, you want to force the dpi to make everything zoom..
[23:35] <jtaylor> with what are you chatting here then?