2012/02/10/#ubuntu-eg.txt

=== ashams_ is now known as ashams
[14:34] <ashams> thelinuxer, dude, we need them to agree on membership method before talking about procedures, right?
[14:34] <ashams> :D
[14:47] <thelinuxer> ashams: methods and procedures are synonyms :D
[14:52] <thelinuxer> ashams: you can add any subtopics you see appropriate to clarify it ..
[14:57] <thelinuxer> hi mgamal
[14:57] <thelinuxer> :)
[14:57] <mgamal> hi
[14:58] <ashams> thelinuxer, I meant the whole *membership* idea aslan :D
[14:58] <ashams> mgamal, hiiiiiiiiiiii
[14:58] <mgamal> hi guys
[14:58] <ashams> mgamal, hi :)
[14:59] <mgamal> hi ashams
[14:59] <ashams> thelinuxer, hi
[14:59] <ashams> mgamal, hi
[14:59] <mgamal> hi
[14:59] <ashams> hell, hi
[14:59] <ashams> stop saying hi, so I won't reply hi
[14:59] <ashams> :P
[14:59] <thelinuxer> ashams: this was the main idea behind having a non-elected council!
[15:00] <thelinuxer> to put some standards and start accepting members
[15:00] <thelinuxer> who will have voting rights
[15:00] <ashams> thelinuxer, man, I can't understand you these days :P
[15:00] <thelinuxer> y r we talking in loops ?! we have been having this conversation for almost a year now!
[15:01] <thelinuxer> a year a whole year!!!!
[15:01] <ashams> thelinuxer, hi
[15:01] <ashams> meetingology, hi
[15:01] <thelinuxer> ashams: i won't hi u back :P
[15:01] <meetingology> ashams: Error: "hi" is not a valid command.
[15:01] <thelinuxer> lol
[15:01] <ashams> thelinuxer, lol
[15:01] <ashams> hahahahaha
[15:01] <thelinuxer> i will jon an wazery
[15:02] <thelinuxer> will call*
[15:02] <ashams> Y?
[15:02] <thelinuxer> shouldn't they be here by now ?
[15:02] <ashams> ba7eb a3mel feha 3abeeet awiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii :P
[15:03] <thelinuxer> wazery has ubuntu related problems :D he should be here in 2 mins
[15:04] <thelinuxer> jonathan should be here in 5
[15:04] <thelinuxer> mgamal: y don't u familiarize yourself with meetingology since u gonna be the meeting chair
[15:04] <mgamal> how does it work?
[15:04] <ashams> 5 points, maybe mins, maybe hours, maybe days, maybe weeks, maybe years
[15:04] <thelinuxer> just send it msgs
[15:05] <thelinuxer> for instance i will try to make u chair
[15:05] <thelinuxer> meetingology: #chair mgamal
[15:05] <meetingology> thelinuxer: Error: "#chair" is not a valid command.
[15:05] <ashams> non, he should startmeeting by himself
[15:05] <thelinuxer> there is a chair command!
[15:06] <thelinuxer> i saw it in the wiki page!
[15:06] <thelinuxer> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
[15:06] <ashams> I assume it's to chane or set chair
[15:06] <ashams> after starting meeting
[15:07] <thelinuxer> mashy
[15:07] <thelinuxer> mgamal: you should use "startmeeting" when the time comes :D
[15:07] <thelinuxer> then "topic" and "subtopic" ..etc
[15:07] <jonathanhindi> I am here now
[15:07] <jonathanhindi> sorry for being late
[15:07] <mgamal> waiting for wazery
[15:07] <thelinuxer> wazery should be here sooon
[15:08] <jonathanhindi> Can you send me the agenda ?
[15:08] <thelinuxer> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EgyptTeam/Meetings/Agendas/2012-02-10
[15:08] <ashams> jonathanhindi, hi (he don't know what I'm going to do next)
[15:09] <thelinuxer> lool
[15:09] <mgamal> ashams, can u handle all those meetingology stuff?
[15:09] <jonathanhindi> ashams: 7asies bi ma2lab gai :D
[15:09] <ashams> mgamal, noooooooooo
[15:09] <ashams> jonathanhindi, hi
[15:09] <thelinuxer> ashams: just logistical stuff ... we would only need a link to the meetingology minutes page
[15:09] <thelinuxer> no need for "present" section ..etc
[15:10] <thelinuxer> mgamal: we will all learn together :D
[15:10] <ashams> ok, I think we should forget about that bot this time
[15:10] <ashams> ok, let's learn
[15:10] <jonathanhindi> why i feel that i am not understanding anything now !
[15:10] <ashams> coz you didn't reply the hi
[15:10] <thelinuxer> jonathanhindi: we have a meeting bot
[15:10] <mgamal> jonathanhindi: lighten up, we haven't started yet
[15:10] <ashams> reply and I'll tell you :P
[15:10] <thelinuxer> ashams: lol stop it
[15:10] <jonathanhindi> hi
[15:11] <ashams> thelinuxer, ok, mr op :(
[15:11] <thelinuxer> jonathanhindi: hi
[15:11] <ashams> yyyaaaaay
[15:11] <ashams> jonathanhindi, hi
[15:11] <jonathanhindi> ashams: hi
[15:11] <thelinuxer> ashams: hi
[15:11] <ashams> oh nooooooooooo
[15:11] <ashams> jonathanhindi, thelinuxer hi
[15:11] <thelinuxer> thelinuxer: hi :P
[15:11] <jonathanhindi> ana zh2t :D
[15:11] <ashams> hahaha
[15:11] <thelinuxer> tab i will call wazery tany
[15:13] <ashams> ya3am 2ollo yenazzel windows wi yerayya7 dema3'ooo
[15:13] <thelinuxer> wazery lost his home (folder of course)
[15:13] <ashams> good start
[15:13] <mgamal> whoa!
[15:13] <mgamal> I am using Window$ btw
[15:13] <thelinuxer> he will join us from a live cd session
[15:14] <thelinuxer> cool here he is
[15:14] <mgamal> my wireless is screwed on oneiric
[15:14] <thelinuxer> hi wazery
[15:14] <wazery> sorry guys :(
[15:14] <wazery> hi thelinuxer
[15:14] <mgamal> hi wazery
[15:14] <ashams> mgamal,  shame on you
[15:14] <ashams> wazery, hi
[15:14] <wazery> hi mgamal
[15:14] <thelinuxer> mgamal: start the meeting?
[15:14] <ashams> mwahahhaaha
[15:14] <wazery> hi ashams
[15:14] <ashams> wazery, hi
[15:14] <mgamal> guys let's start
[15:15] <ashams> ok
[15:15] <mgamal> ashams: what's the first topic on our list?
[15:15] <thelinuxer> who will be handling meetingology ?
[15:15] <ashams> crap
[15:15] <ashams> #startmeeting
[15:15] <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Feb 10 15:15:45 2012 UTC.  The chair is ashams. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:15] <meetingology> Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired
[15:15] <ashams> #chair mgamal
[15:16] <meetingology> Current chairs: ashams mgamal
[15:16] <ashams> #topic council meeting II
[15:16] <ashams> now what?
[15:17] <mgamal> what's the discussion point now?
[15:17] <thelinuxer> proceed with the agenda
[15:17] <ashams> #startmeeting council meeting 2
[15:17] <meetingology> ashams: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.
[15:17] <ashams> #meetingtopic Council Meeting 2
[15:18] <jonathanhindi> i have to go 4 15 mins
[15:18] <ashams> ok, let's pass
[15:18] <mgamal> ok
[15:18] <mgamal> what's the first topic on our agenda?
[15:18] <ashams> How can ppl join Council?
[15:19] <thelinuxer> #endmeeting
[15:19] <ashams> we have membership method suggested for joining and voting
[15:19] <mgamal> didn't we say elections are held on october and april?
[15:19] <ashams> yes, but who can be nominated
[15:19] <mgamal> and what's the method?
[15:19] <ashams> mgamal, membership
[15:19] <mgamal> great
[15:20] <mgamal> the question is, how can one be a member?
[15:20] <ashams> that's to make a somewhat threshold so one person won't get some of his friends to vote for him
[15:20] <mgamal> ok
[15:21] <mgamal> now membership will be approved by the councik
[15:21] <mgamal> *council
[15:21] <mgamal> but who can apply to begin with?
[15:21] <ashams> it was suggested that 6months of contribution is enough
[15:21] <mgamal> cool
[15:21] <mgamal> now this opnes another question
[15:21] <mgamal> on FGs
[15:21] <ashams> yes
[15:21] <mgamal> should the contribution be actually through the FGs?
[15:22] <ashams> I guess yes
[15:22] <mgamal> if we go far an open model, then people join the FGs as they desire
[15:22] <ashams> mgamal, not all fgs
[15:22] <mgamal> once they contribute for 6 months, they are eligible for membership
[15:22] <mgamal> if we go for a closed model
[15:22] <ashams> fgs need to be somehow not fully open
[15:22] <ashams> so we keep quality
[15:22] <mgamal> then people join FGs if and only if they are laready members
[15:22] <mgamal> *already
[15:23] <ashams> members of the parent team, right?
[15:24] <mgamal> what parent team?
[15:24] <ashams> I mean ~ubuntu-eg
[15:24] <ashams> pad.lv/~ubuntu-eg
[15:25] <thelinuxer> ashams: I am sorry but isn't this a bit confusing ?
[15:25] <ashams> yes
[15:26] <thelinuxer> i am gonna follow ur train of thought, how can one be a member of ubuntu-eg (the parent team)?
[15:26] <mgamal> nice one, thelinuxer
[15:26] <mgamal> :)
[15:26] <ashams> I mean, mgamal means members of ~ubuntut-eg which is fully open or members of "ubuntu-eg members" which is not fully open
[15:26] <thelinuxer> ashams: fine ..
[15:26] <ashams> coool
[15:26] <thelinuxer> i have a point to say about FGs
[15:26] <ashams> it's not a long train though
[15:26] <mgamal> no, members of FGs
[15:26] <ashams> shooot me
[15:27] <ashams> mgamal, that's good
[15:27] <thelinuxer> we discussed the option of having core FGs and completely open FGs
[15:27] <ashams> yes
[15:27] <thelinuxer> core are close and related to the day to day operations and event like graphics or web teams for instance
[15:28] <thelinuxer> while other FGs can be useful and everything but not as essential like a dev team (not that dev is not important ..) just an example
[15:28] <ashams> so if any one is a member of a core fg, s/he can be nominated, right?
[15:28] <mgamal> yes
[15:28] <thelinuxer> mgamal: i guess the 6 month rule should be followed
[15:28] <mgamal> and members of open fgs can be nominated if they contribute for 6 months :)
[15:29] <thelinuxer> joining the FG means he was accepted by the FG leader, we can think he's on probation
[15:29] <mgamal> I have a different model in mind
[15:29] <ashams> mgamal, go
[15:29] <thelinuxer> or he could become a member if he got a recommendation from the FGs members/leaders
[15:29] <thelinuxer> mgamal: shoot
[15:29] <mgamal> look guys
[15:29] <mgamal> I hate too much hirearchy
[15:29] <ashams> we can't look, it's irc
[15:30] <mgamal> I want to keep it as flat and open as much as possible
[15:30] <mgamal> don't want to have too many "elites" in the group and os
[15:30] <mgamal> *so
[15:30] <mgamal> it's against open source principles
[15:30] <mgamal> so anyway
[15:30] <mgamal> my idea is that FGs are open
[15:30] <ashams> good point
[15:30] <ashams> but quality
[15:31] <ashams> we can't give ppl a very bad support for ex.
[15:31] <mgamal> there are no quality concerns in FGs
[15:31] <mgamal> it's all natural selection
[15:31] <ashams> what about support fg?
[15:31] <mgamal> in other words
[15:31] <mgamal> Ubuntu-eg is a collective of all FGs
[15:31] <mgamal> anyway
[15:31] <mgamal> you contribute to FGs
[15:31] <mgamal> for 6 months
[15:31] <mgamal> once you do so
[15:32] <mgamal> and are approved by FG leader/community
[15:32] <mgamal> you can apply for membership
[15:32] <ashams> why membership ba2a?
[15:32] <wazery> ashams: I think the quality is the responsibility of the leader of the fg
[15:32] <ashams> we can make it just get nominated
[15:32] <ashams> wazery, good point
[15:32] <thelinuxer> mgamal: fine by me .. as a membership process, types of FGs and their responsibilities should be discussed separately
[15:33] <jonathanhindi> am back
[15:33] <thelinuxer> wb
[15:33] <jonathanhindi> thelinuxer: thanks
[15:33] <mgamal> cool
[15:33] <ashams> mgamal, if we're doing all of this, why we put "membership" in their way
[15:34] <mgamal> don't get you ashams
[15:34] <thelinuxer> ashams: it's not in their way, it's not blocking them from doing anything ..
[15:34] <ashams> I think if one spent 6m in any core fg, he can get nominated for council
[15:34] <ashams> why we put them somewhere else while they'll be in their place with their record on that fg
[15:35] <ashams> recomendation from fg leader will be received anyway, who would say no?
[15:35] <ashams> recommendation*
[15:36] <ashams> mgamal, is it clear now?
[15:36] <thelinuxer> ashams: a side point but we will need a list of emails for the voting process, so we will need to collect those who has voting rights somewhere ...
[15:36] <mgamal> not really
[15:36] <ashams> thelinuxer, I'm talking about nomination only for now
[15:37] <thelinuxer> mgamal: were u replying to him or me ?
[15:37] <mgamal> to ashams
[15:37] <thelinuxer> ashams: it's the same for me, any member can nominate himself
[15:37] <ashams> any member of what?
[15:38] <thelinuxer> any members who passed the membership process with status approved
[15:38] <ashams> guys, you keep "member" while we have a lot of memberships in here...
[15:38] <mgamal> guys
[15:38] <mgamal> let me clarify my idea
[15:38] <ashams> plz
[15:38] <mgamal> ignore core FGs for a moment
[15:38] <jonathanhindi> guys, ana etl5bat, you are discussing the membership of fg ?
[15:38] <mgamal> yes
[15:39] <mgamal> and this will lead us to ubuntu-eg mebership
[15:39] <mgamal> and thus to council
[15:39] <mgamal> for open FGs
[15:39] <ashams> ah
[15:39] <mgamal> anyone joins
[15:39] <mgamal> contributes 6 months
[15:39] <mgamal> and is eligible to apply for membership
[15:39] <mgamal> if their quality is bad
[15:40] <mgamal> we simply would filter them out and not vote them for membership
[15:40] <mgamal> for core FGs
[15:40] <jonathanhindi> mgamal: +!
[15:40] <mgamal> we don't need to follow this procedures
[15:40] <thelinuxer> mgamal: +1
[15:40] <jonathanhindi> mgamal: +1*
[15:40] <mgamal> because membership is already closed, and only good members are allowed in
[15:41] <mgamal> so being a member of a core FG means you can automatically apply for Ubuntu-eg membership
[15:41] <mgamal> Ubuntu-eg membership is to be approved by the council
[15:41] <mgamal> that's all
[15:41] <mgamal> who agrees?
[15:41] <ashams> how can we measure quality then? and who are we in "we simply would filter them out and not vote them for membership"
[15:42] <ashams> ?
[15:43] <mgamal> the council
[15:43] <ashams> +0
[15:43] <thelinuxer> are we voting now ?
[15:44] <thelinuxer> ashams: can u start a vote ?
[15:44] <ashams> #vote 6m at fg > membership
[15:44] <meetingology> Please vote on: 6m at fg > membership
[15:44] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[15:44] <mgamal> +1
[15:44] <meetingology> +1 received from mgamal
[15:44] <ashams> +0
[15:44] <meetingology> +0 received from ashams
[15:44] <wazery> +1
[15:44] <meetingology> +1 received from wazery
[15:44] <jonathanhindi> +1
[15:44] <meetingology> +1 received from jonathanhindi
[15:45] <thelinuxer> ashams: close vote
[15:45] <ashams> #endvote
[15:45] <meetingology> Voting ended on: 6m at fg > membership
[15:45] <meetingology> Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1
[15:45] <meetingology> Motion carried
[15:45] <ashams> coool
[15:46] <mgamal> now, which are the core FGs and what are open ones?
[15:46] <ashams> mgamal, I think all fgs we agreed upon are core?
[15:46] <mgamal> really?
[15:47] <ashams> I guess so
[15:47] <mgamal> can you remind me which were which?
[15:47] <jonathanhindi> mgamal: till now we said that we will start with the core fg
[15:47] <mgamal> hmmm
[15:47] <mgamal> I guess we can discuss this division offline, but let's move on
[15:47] <ashams> mgamal, ok, grabbing them
[15:48] <ashams> PR: Marketing + Social Media + Spokespersons?
[15:48] <ashams> from last meeting
[15:48] <ashams> #subtopic PR: Marketing + Social Media + Spokespersons?
[15:49] <mgamal> fine by me
[15:49] <mgamal> any concerns?
[15:49] <ashams> jonathanhindi, objected having sp inside PR
[15:49] <ashams> it's irrelevant
[15:49] <jonathanhindi> yes
[15:49] <ashams> can we kick it out?
[15:50] <ashams> vote?
[15:50] <jonathanhindi> ashams: can't understand you?
[15:50] <ashams> sorry, should we collect votes on this issue?
[15:50] <thelinuxer> we would also need a group for inter-teams affairs :D like with other Arabic teams for instance
[15:51] <ashams> movin spokespersons outside pr
[15:51] <ashams> thelinuxer, that would be community
[15:51] <jonathanhindi> ashams: movin spokespersons outiside marketing
[15:51] <jonathanhindi> **
[15:51] <ashams> outside PR
[15:52] <jonathanhindi> ashams: please name it marketing
[15:52] <ashams> it's not my name, after all
[15:52] <ashams> you suggest to change PR to marketin and kick SP outside it?
[15:53] <ashams> marketing*
[15:53] <jonathanhindi> yes
[15:53] <ashams> what you think guys?
[15:54] <ashams> mgamal, current FGs are: A)Support
[15:54] <ashams> B)Sponsors
[15:54] <ashams> C)PR: Marketing + Social Media + Spokespersons
[15:54] <ashams> D)Moderators
[15:54] <ashams> E)Website Maintainers
[15:54] <thelinuxer> i really don't have a say in this technically they are different
[15:54] <ashams> F)Bankers
[15:54] <mgamal> thelinuxer
[15:54] <mgamal> please weigh in
[15:54] <thelinuxer> weigh in what ?
[15:55] <mgamal> say why you think they're different
[15:55] <jonathanhindi> thelinuxer: technically they are different social media is a part of marketing but pr is a different field
[15:56] <thelinuxer> jonathanhindi: yes exactly what i mean
[15:56] <mgamal> cool
[15:56] <thelinuxer> for instance the PR should be the one dealing with ArabNet
[15:56] <mgamal> we should make them separate then
[15:56] <jonathanhindi> bezabt :D
[15:56] <thelinuxer> while the marketing team should be trying to increase our followers with any means necessary
[15:56] <jonathanhindi> thelinuxer: 3lik nour :)
[15:57] <ashams> so, Marketing, PR and SP....
[15:57] <mgamal> I agree to this
[15:57] <ashams> any objection before collecting vottes?
[15:58] <mgamal> no
[15:58] <jonathanhindi> ashams: i think sp should be under the pr because it is very related but 3ashan el remote areas we should make it different
[15:58] <thelinuxer> jonathanhindi: i disagree ...
[15:58] <jonathanhindi> i am just confusing my self.
[15:58] <thelinuxer> it depends on what a spokes person means
[15:59] <thelinuxer> is he someone who can represent the team in events by giving lectures ?
[15:59] <thelinuxer> or is he someone who would get us sponsorship deals ?
[15:59] <ashams> thelinuxer, a representative while no council members in area
[16:00] <thelinuxer> representation for what ?
[16:00] <ashams> that simple
[16:00] <ashams> representative of the team
[16:00] <thelinuxer> any approved members should be a representative of the team in general
[16:01] <ashams> good point
[16:01] <thelinuxer> if they are a team they should have specific responsibilities
[16:01] <jonathanhindi> thelinuxer: yes i am with you in this point, Ubuntu-eg member is ubuntu-eg ambassador anywhere any time
[16:03] <thelinuxer> i guess we don't really have a definition for SP team, so we should cancel it all together ..
[16:03] <ashams> cool, let's do it for now
[16:03] <jonathanhindi> thelinuxer: +1 to cancel the sp team
[16:04] <ashams> #vote Marketing + PR (No SP)
[16:04] <meetingology> Please vote on: Marketing + PR (No SP)
[16:04] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[16:04] <jonathanhindi> but any Ubuntu-Eg Approved member is an Ubuntu-Eg ambassador
[16:04] <jonathanhindi> +1
[16:04] <meetingology> +1 received from jonathanhindi
[16:04] <wazery> +0
[16:04] <meetingology> +0 received from wazery
[16:04] <thelinuxer> jonathanhindi: we can write this in the membership page ...
[16:05] <mgamal> +0
[16:05] <meetingology> +0 received from mgamal
[16:05] <ashams> heh
[16:05] <ashams> -1
[16:05] <meetingology> -1 received from ashams
[16:05] <ashams> #endvote
[16:05] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Marketing + PR (No SP)
[16:05] <meetingology> Votes for:1 Votes against:1 Abstentions:2
[16:05] <meetingology> Deadlock, casting vote may be used
[16:05] <thelinuxer> i will be the tie breaking, cool ?
[16:05] <mgamal> agree
[16:05] <jonathanhindi> hehe :)
[16:06] <ashams> now what?
[16:06] <thelinuxer> ok np let the record show my big +1 :D
[16:06] <jonathanhindi> niah :_
[16:06] <thelinuxer> ashams: next item in the agenda ...
[16:07] <thelinuxer> on*
[16:07] <ashams> Guys, plz say why you gave +0 and what are your suggestions?
[16:08] <ashams> thelinuxer, "on" istead of "in", comment:  ya wad ya daqeeeq...
[16:08] <thelinuxer> :)
[16:08] <ashams> guys we didn't settle to anything thing in this regard so far.....
[16:08] <thelinuxer> no we did
[16:08] <ashams> what?
[16:08] <thelinuxer> if i would be the tie breaking vote
[16:09] <wazery> I have no suggestions about the sp :), I leave it for you guys
[16:09] <thelinuxer> i voted +1
[16:09] <ashams> thelinuxer, that would be 2/5
[16:09] <ashams> i gave -1
[16:09] <thelinuxer> so the whole score is +1
[16:09] <mgamal> same as wazery
[16:10] <thelinuxer> ashams: i don't really understand what r voting against ? what other structure you would like ?
[16:10] <thelinuxer> would you* :P
[16:11] <ashams> how would teams with no experienced persons make their way through
[16:11] <ashams> they will need a lnamed leader
[16:11] <ashams> to move the wheel
[16:11] <ashams> named*
[16:11] <thelinuxer> i think this unrelated to the structure itself ...
[16:11] <mgamal> ashams: just like we did with the council
[16:11] <thelinuxer> this is*
[16:11] <mgamal> current active members can be assigned to lead FGs
[16:12] <ashams> ok
[16:12] <mgamal> so
[16:12] <ashams> let's pass?
[16:12] <mgamal> next item on the agenda?
[16:12] <thelinuxer> so this structure is accepted, right ?
[16:13] <ashams> yes, to me
[16:13] <mgamal> same here
[16:13] <thelinuxer> cool
[16:13] <thelinuxer> proceed ..
[16:13] <mgamal> Marketing + PR with no SP team, I am getting this right?
[16:13] <thelinuxer> yes
[16:13] <ashams> mgamal, would you look for the next item yourself, sorry I'm confused
[16:13] <ashams> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EgyptTeam/Meetings/Agendas/2012-02-10
[16:14] <mgamal> #subtopic Eventing
[16:15] <ashams> how can we increase online events? or should we do aslan?
[16:15] <mgamal> ping!
[16:15] <ashams> pong :-)
[16:15] <mgamal> was just going to ask
[16:15] <mgamal> what are online events?
[16:15] <mgamal> I guess we have things like global jams
[16:16] <thelinuxer> online events like ubuntu user week
[16:16] <mgamal> but I can't really think of any more online events on the LoCo leevel
[16:16] <thelinuxer> and ubuntu developer week
[16:16] <mgamal> yes
[16:16] <thelinuxer> we can have in the Arabic teams level ..
[16:16] <mgamal> but the LoCo has nothing to do with these
[16:16] <thelinuxer> events like this in Arabic language
[16:16] <ashams> that's it, in arabic
[16:16] <mgamal> except probably promoting them
[16:16] <mgamal> we can do dour own events definitely
[16:16] <mgamal> but this is something that can be taken in its time
[16:17] <mgamal> I don't see a need for much discussion here
[16:17] <ashams> postpone it?
[16:17] <thelinuxer> mgamal: sure i think it can be postponed ..
[16:17] <ashams> pass?
[16:17] <thelinuxer> +1
[16:18] <mgamal> no+!
[16:18] <mgamal> +1
[16:18] <mgamal> sorry
[16:18] <ashams> ok
[16:18] <ashams> #subtopic Finding fund for events.
[16:18] <ashams> it doesn't work :-(
[16:18] <mgamal> I don't have much to weigh in here
[16:19] <ashams> we have no fund for anything
[16:19] <mgamal> we probably needed Anas to tell us about it
[16:19] <mgamal> we will need to make Funds
[16:19] <ashams> our work on the new structure is almost useless
[16:19] <ashams> unless we make events
[16:19] <mgamal> why?
[16:19] <ashams> which need more money
[16:19] <mgamal> events need funds
[16:19] <mgamal> so
[16:19] <mgamal> well
[16:19] <ashams> so, we need funds
[16:19] <jonathanhindi> self funded
[16:20] <mgamal> IMO we can fund ourselves in two ways
[16:20] <jonathanhindi> minimum contribution
[16:20] <mgamal> 1- Self-funding
[16:20] <mgamal> 2- By getting sponsors
[16:20] <jonathanhindi> mgamal: i think doing the two together is a good idea
[16:20] <thelinuxer> i think funding is a tricky issue, legaly i mean
[16:20] <mgamal> jonathanhindi: I never said the two are mutually exclusive
[16:21] <thelinuxer> we don't want to be accused of getting foreign funds :D
[16:21] <jonathanhindi> we already discussed the min-contribution before in a public meeting
[16:21] <mgamal> thelinuxer: making a gam3eyya isn't illegal I think :)
[16:21] <thelinuxer> mgamal: sure
[16:21] <mgamal> in other words
[16:21] <mgamal> members can pay voluntary monthly payments
[16:21] <mgamal> they will be kept to fund team activites
[16:21] <ashams> We almost can't receive funds from any organizations, simply coz they pay i to get subtracted from taxees
[16:22] <ashams> it*
[16:22] <jonathanhindi> so min-contribution 15 L.E from every approved member
[16:22] <ashams> taxes, even
[16:22] <thelinuxer> jonathanhindi: mgamal back to the collecting issue ..
[16:22] <thelinuxer> we want to make more meetings online
[16:23] <mgamal> definitely
[16:23] <thelinuxer> how would we collect the contribution every month?
[16:23] <ashams> ok, what about biannually?
[16:23] <mgamal> well
[16:23] <mgamal> there was one bulletpoint before funding
[16:23] <mgamal> I have no idea why ashams skipped it?
[16:23] <jonathanhindi> biannually for students it is nearl imposible
[16:23] <mgamal> Regulating ground events, by location and term.
[16:23] <jonathanhindi> imposible
[16:23] <mgamal> we need to say first how the group meets
[16:24] <mgamal> how frequently
[16:24] <thelinuxer> mgamal: good point
[16:24] <ashams> mgamal, yes I skipped it
[16:24] <mgamal> monthly meeting?
[16:24] <wazery> Guys aside from our topic, we should also discuss making an event before the next release, because I have a lot of ready CDs and stickers
[16:24] <ashams> ok
[16:24] <mgamal> wazery, let's discuss this later
[16:24] <thelinuxer> lets focus on one point now
[16:24] <mgamal> in Sakia :)
[16:24] <mgamal> so anyway
[16:24] <thelinuxer> wazery: bring CDs with you please ...
[16:25] <mgamal> what's your opinion that the group makes a monthly meeting?
[16:25] <wazery> thelinuxer: ok
[16:25] <ashams> mgamal, +1
[16:25] <thelinuxer> u mean physical meeting ?
[16:25] <mgamal> should be attended by council members and FG leaders
[16:25] <mgamal> yes
[16:25] <mgamal> I mean a physical meeting
[16:25] <mgamal> we can just discuss, have fun, be geeks, and most importantly, collect funds :)
[16:25] <thelinuxer> hmm ..
[16:26] <thelinuxer> didn't we try this over and over again ?
[16:26] <mgamal> we never set it in stone :)
[16:26] <thelinuxer> we always have problems committing to meetings every X
[16:26] <wazery> mgamal: +1
[16:26] <ashams> yes, it was never regualted
[16:26] <ashams> what about 3rd friday of each month
[16:26] <ashams> every*
[16:27] <mgamal> what about the 1st friday of every month
[16:27] <mgamal> that's easier to remember :)
[16:27] <ashams> mgamal, +1 even
[16:27] <thelinuxer> ashams: mgamal wazery please guys tell me how is this different from what we did before ?
[16:27] <thelinuxer> how is this regulating it ?
[16:27] <jonathanhindi> +1
[16:27] <mgamal> we never had a regulation to start with
[16:27] <mgamal> plus
[16:28] <mgamal> attendance should be mandatory for council members and group leaders
[16:28] <ashams> thelinuxer, dude, we need to make it in a way or another
[16:28] <thelinuxer> ok lets try this once more
[16:28] <ashams> it happens everywhere
[16:28] <thelinuxer> that's what i am saying tell me the way ..
[16:28] <thelinuxer> ok i agree too
[16:28] <mgamal> thelinuxer: now we have set dates for meetings, all we need is to discuss meeting places on the ML before we meet
[16:29] <mgamal> so
[16:29] <mgamal> let's take a vote?
[16:29] <thelinuxer> ok i guess we will need 1 online council meeting + 1 phsyical every month , right ?
[16:29] <ashams> #vote 1 physical meeting + 1 irc meeting every month?
[16:29] <meetingology> Please vote on: 1 physical meeting + 1 irc meeting every month?
[16:29] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[16:30] <ashams> +1
[16:30] <meetingology> +1 received from ashams
[16:30] <jonathanhindi> +1
[16:30] <meetingology> +1 received from jonathanhindi
[16:30] <wazery> +1
[16:30] <meetingology> +1 received from wazery
[16:30] <jonathanhindi> Guys, I have to go now
[16:30] <jonathanhindi> I am sorry
[16:30] <jonathanhindi> bye
[16:30] <mgamal> +1
[16:30] <meetingology> +1 received from mgamal
[16:30] <ashams> ok, bye
[16:31] <ashams> #endvote
[16:31] <meetingology> Voting ended on: 1 physical meeting + 1 irc meeting every month?
[16:31] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[16:31] <meetingology> Motion carried
[16:31] <wazery> bye jonathanhindi
[16:31] <mgamal> we didn't say when btw? :)
[16:31] <thelinuxer> 1st and 3rd fridays ?
[16:31] <mgamal> 1st friday every month for physical, + 3rd friday for IRC?
[16:31] <wazery> 1st for both
[16:32] <ashams> mgamal, can it be 1st for irc and 3rd for physical?
[16:32] <thelinuxer> wazery: it's a good idea actually ...
[16:32] <thelinuxer> tiring for the council but good :
[16:32] <thelinuxer> :D
[16:32] <mgamal> why ashams ?
[16:32] <ashams> so, we pre-discuss things on irc then we meet to finish it
[16:33] <mgamal> we still can do that if it's the other way round? :)
[16:33] <ashams> +1
[16:34] <thelinuxer> doesn't really matter pic one guys, bas fe3lan I like wazery's suggestion
[16:35] <ashams> thelinuxer, why?
[16:35] <thelinuxer> because if i am in the council I would like to finish the meetings in only one day
[16:35] <thelinuxer> like today for instance we are meeting
[16:35] <wazery> guys, I need to go
[16:35] <thelinuxer> then we have a communitty outing
[16:35] <ashams> thelinuxer, cool
[16:36] <ashams> I +1 it
[16:36] <thelinuxer> wazery: vote for this then go
[16:36] <ashams> wazery, ok, bye dude
[16:36] <wazery> thelinuxer: ok
[16:36] <thelinuxer> ashams: start the vote
[16:36] <mgamal> vote what exactly?
[16:36] <ashams> #vote both meeting on 1st friday?
[16:36] <meetingology> Please vote on: both meeting on 1st friday?
[16:36] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[16:36] <wazery> +1
[16:36] <meetingology> +1 received from wazery
[16:37] <thelinuxer> mgamal: physical and IRC in the same day
[16:37] <wazery> meet you in sakia iaA
[16:37] <thelinuxer> wazery: ok bye
[16:37] <mgamal> -1
[16:37] <meetingology> -1 received from mgamal
[16:37] <ashams> bye man :D
[16:38] <ashams> haha
[16:38] <mgamal> please vote guys
[16:38] <ashams> mgamal, why?
[16:38] <thelinuxer> ashams: finish the vote!
[16:38] <ashams> mgamal, why you -1'd ?
[16:38] <mgamal> probably won't have much time for the meetings this way
[16:38] <ashams> thelinuxer, one sec, let's lestin to mgamal 's logic
[16:39] <mgamal> as you can see wazery and jon already left because they probably need that time to reach Sakia :)
[16:39] <mgamal> so it confines the time for the IRC meeting
[16:39] <ashams> I agree with this
[16:39] <ashams> -1
[16:39] <meetingology> -1 received from ashams
[16:39] <ashams> #endvote
[16:39] <meetingology> Voting ended on: both meeting on 1st friday?
[16:39] <meetingology> Votes for:1 Votes against:2 Abstentions:0
[16:39] <meetingology> Motion denied
[16:39] <thelinuxer> that's decided too
[16:40] <ashams> so 1st and 3rd fridays?
[16:40] <thelinuxer> yes
[16:40] <thelinuxer> can we list some action items ?
[16:40] <mgamal> 1st friday physical, 3rd IRC
[16:40] <ashams> mgamal, this month is a special case?
[16:40] <mgamal> yes
[16:40] <ashams> ok
[16:40] <ashams> +1
[16:40] <thelinuxer> starting march isA
[16:40] <ashams> thelinuxer, ?
[16:41] <ashams> ok
[16:41] <thelinuxer> action items ..
[16:41] <thelinuxer> i guess we all agreed upon the core FGs
[16:41] <thelinuxer> i will create these core FGs and make the council the owner
[16:41] <ashams> don't know
[16:41] <ashams> ok
[16:41] <thelinuxer> what do u mean don't know ?
[16:42] <mgamal> we still haven't completely agreed about which ones will be core ans which will be open
[16:42] <mgamal> we'll discuss this when we meet
[16:42] <ashams> have we agreed on marketing + PR?
[16:42] <thelinuxer> yes
[16:42] <ashams> ok
[16:42] <thelinuxer> and i think graphics(not sure if we discussed this)
[16:42] <ashams> I'm not comfortable with fully open FGs
[16:43] <ashams> Open teams never helped
[16:43] <thelinuxer> and i think we should start asking people to join these teams ASAP
[16:43] <thelinuxer> ashams: we said we will have both
[16:43] <ashams> you'll get teams filled with ppl but noone  do nothing
[16:43] <ashams> it won't help this way
[16:44] <mgamal> yes, but this will create a closed hierarchy in the community
[16:44] <ashams> we need some regulation to let ppl in
[16:44] <mgamal> no
[16:44] <mgamal> we don't
[16:44] <ashams> mgamal, it's not closed, let's make a procedure
[16:44] <mgamal> we can discuss this offline
[16:44] <ashams> we can't invite ppl without discussing this
[16:44] <thelinuxer> ok we can continue this discussion on the mailing list too ..
[16:44] <mgamal> we have to discuss this tonight
[16:45] <mgamal> in the outing
[16:45] <mgamal> okay?
[16:45] <ashams> mgamal, I won't come :(
[16:45] <mgamal> mailing list then
[16:45] <ashams> ok
[16:45] <mgamal> start a thread and we would discuss
[16:45] <ashams> ok
[16:45] <thelinuxer> cool
[16:45] <thelinuxer> here is what i am worried about ..
[16:46] <thelinuxer> we only have 2 month, and the process should be running before the next elections
[16:46] <ashams> by "Regulating ground events, by location and term" I meant making events like sessions or lectures or so, not just meetings
[16:46] <thelinuxer> so we need to finalize the parts related to the membership/FGs ASAP
[16:47] <ashams> thelinuxer, yep
[16:48] <thelinuxer> ok i think this meeting is adjourned
[16:48] <thelinuxer> we can continue on the mailing list
[16:48] <ashams> end?
[16:48] <ashams> ok
[16:48] <ashams> mgamal, ?
[16:48] <mgamal> end
[16:48] <ashams> #endmeeting
[16:48] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Feb 10 16:48:47 2012 UTC.
[16:48] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-eg/2012/ubuntu-eg.2012-02-10-15.15.moin.txt
[16:48] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-eg/2012/ubuntu-eg.2012-02-10-15.15.html
[16:49] <thelinuxer> i like the output from this bot!
[16:49] <thelinuxer> nice!
[16:49] <mgamal> yeah! *me gusta*
[16:49] <ashams> yeah, I like it too
[16:50] <thelinuxer> mgamal: lool
[16:50] <thelinuxer> ok here is what we did wrong
[16:50] <thelinuxer> meeting topic is wrong
[16:50] <thelinuxer> and all topics are sub topics ..
[16:50] <ashams> no problem will fix it :)
[16:50] <thelinuxer> we should do better next time :D
[16:50] <thelinuxer> don't fix it
[16:50] <ashams> isA
[16:51] <thelinuxer> it doesn't matter we were learning
[16:51] <thelinuxer> mgamal: 7asaly el 3esha we anzel 3ala tool isA
[16:51] <mgamal> ok
[16:51] <thelinuxer> eshta
[16:51] <mgamal> I am in Agouza, so I'll be in Sakia in no time isA
[16:51] <thelinuxer> bye ashams catch u later
[16:51] <thelinuxer> mgamal: cool
[16:52] <mgamal> bye everyone
[16:52] <ashams> thelinuxer, bye :-)
[16:52] <ashams> mgamal, bye
[16:52] <mgamal> ashams: bye
[16:52] <ashams> mgamal, bye