2012/01/19/#ubuntu-community-team.txt

[01:11] <bkerensa> heh
[01:28] <cprofitt> hey all
[07:50] <dholbach> good morning
[08:07] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:08] <dholbach> hey Gwaihir, hey czajkowski
[08:10] <Gwaihir> morning dholbach
[08:27] <bkerensa> Internet is back :D
[08:37] <Tm_T> bkerensa: it was gone at some point?
[08:37] <bkerensa> for me yes
[08:37] <bkerensa> :D
[08:38] <Tm_T> ah, right
[09:34] <dpm> hm, I'm having lots of internet connection issues, not sure it's my router or the wireless driver. But I'm back
[09:34] <dpm> (for a while, hopefully)
[09:37] <dpm> I'm trying to make it easier for translators to submit localized images in their language for ubuntu-docs. I thought I'd create a public U1 share for everyone to write to, but as I understand it, it's not possible unless you have the e-mails from the people you want to share with. dholbach (or anyone else) have you ever had to do such a thing or have you got any ideas? I.e. public write-for-everyone share where people can upload their files
[09:38] <dholbach> I don't know about U1, aquarius should know - not as easy, but bzr branch?
[09:38] <dholbach> spreadubuntu?
[09:39] <dholbach> or just ask them to publicise via U1 and put the links to a wiki page or IRC channel?
[09:39] <czajkowski> the folks in #ubuntuone are so helpful
[09:42] <dpm> thanks. I'll think about it. I don't want to use bzr (they can already submit the files to the ubuntu-docs bzr branch), since not many translators know how to use it. I'll see what I can do with spreadubuntu
[09:43] <dpm> and I'd prefer a centralized place to have all files (I don't want to go chasing all the U1 links)
[09:44] <dpm> now, thinking about it...
[09:44] <dpm> a totally public share might not be the best idea if I'd want to avoid vandalizing...
[09:46] <dpm> so I think I'll set up the share and I'll ask translators who want to write to it and add them to the list of people to share with
[10:00] <nigelb> dpm: epiphany-browser! Its epiphany-browser :-)
[10:00] <nigelb> (I just fixed it, no worries :-) )
[10:01] <dpm> nigelb, thanks! ;)
[10:38] <jokerdino> dpm: so you got an idea for sharing the ubuntu-docs. i think i might have an idea. but not sure if it would actually work..
[10:38] <jokerdino> The first sentence was supposed to be a question. i forgot to add the question mark :/
[10:39] <jokerdino> so, yeah, the idea is to setup a google docs collection and give access to people with link?
[10:39] <dpm> jokerdino, please go ahead, I do have an idea and I'm writing an e-mail to the docs team just now, but I'd be glad to hear a better one!
[10:40] <dpm> jokerdino, it's a good idea, but I'd like to have as much little work to do as possible, and if people would upload their images to a google doc or album or whatever... I don't know if there is an easy way to fetch them all at once
[10:40] <jokerdino> let's say i have this folder on google docs (https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B6NtA-0GExbaMTk2ZjkwNDMtYjBiYy00ODI5LWI5MmEtYTE4MWEyZWU5ZDQ5) you can access and edit it if you have the link...
[10:40] <jokerdino> you can just download all the things inside the folder.
[10:41] <jokerdino> at once.
[10:41] <dpm> jokerdino, how can I upload a file?
[10:42] <dpm> i.e. an image?
[10:42] <dpm> and then download all the images at once?
[10:43] <jokerdino> you can't add a file?
[10:43] <jokerdino> i thought i just opened the access to everyone with the link.
[10:44] <jokerdino> try now?
[10:46] <jokerdino> clearly, i am not familiar with sharing folders. i will get back to you when i figure that part out ;?
[10:46] <dpm> it did the upload, but it doesn't appear
[10:47] <dpm> it doesn't seem to support uploading images not attached or converted to a doc
[10:47] <dpm> in any case, I prefer using Ubuntu resources, although thanks for the suggestion!
[10:47] <jokerdino> hmm ok. i wasn't just sure about it.
[10:48] <dpm> I think I'll use an Ubuntu one share, with folders for each language. Then translators only have to put their images to the right folder and once it's done I simply have to submit a merge proposal to ubuntu-docs
[10:48] <dpm> without having to manually fetch anything
[10:48] <jokerdino> hmm that sounds like a good idea.
[10:48] <dpm> thanks for your help anyway :-)
[10:54] <jokerdino> ok i have to go AFK. talk to you later!
[11:31] <dholbach> dpm, weisst du, wann und wie oft das update-packaging-guide skript läuft? :)
[11:32] <dpm> dholbach, ich glaube, wenn nicht was schieff geht, jeden Tag um Mitternacht
[11:33] <dholbach> dpm, meinste, du könntest das mal manuell laufen lassen? ich würde gerne was testen?
[11:34] <dpm> dholbach, ja, klar. gibst du mir 5 Minuten?
[11:34] <dholbach> logo
[11:36] <dpm> ok :)
[11:42] <dpm> dholbach, ok, jetzt. Soll ich manuell updaten?
[11:44] <dholbach> dpm, ja, wenn du kannst, dann bitte :)
[11:49] <dpm> dholbach, argh -> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/809552/
[11:49] <dholbach> dpm, kannst du in der crontab nach schauen, ob ein http_proxy gesetzt wird?
[11:49] <dholbach> wenn ja könntest du den beim aufruf vielleicht auch benutzen
[11:50] <dpm> kein proxy. Weisst du welche proxy ich benutzen soll?
[11:50] <dholbach> hm
[11:51] <dholbach> maybe IS changed something about the firewalls, I don't know
[11:58] <dpm> they did, the d.u.c server was put somewhere else to speed it up a bit
[11:58] <dpm> or they set up some cache or something, I don't know exactly, but the thing is that 2 weeks ago something changed
[12:00] <dholbach> aha
[12:07] <dholbach> dpm, good thing I asked the question today ;-)
[12:07] <dpm> :)
[12:48] <daker> good morning
[12:58] <mhall119> morning
[13:18] <dpm> morning daker, morning mhall119
[14:46] <dholbach> james_w, (German link) pictures of crazy traditions in England - unfortunately the wheel of cheese is missing, but at least the burning kegs were captured: http://www.zeit.de/reisen/2012-01/fs-sara-hannant-2/
[14:47] <james_w> heh
[14:47] <james_w> I told you about the kegs?
[14:48] <dholbach> james_w, yeah, I'm quite sure you did
[14:48] <james_w> heh, yeah, that's the one
[14:49] <james_w> weird as
[14:50] <balloons> wow..
[14:52] <balloons> most interesting that many of these are recent creations.. sometimes they are attempts to re-instate old traditions, but others are just starting new ones
[14:52] <balloons> who needs an excuse to dress up right? :-)
[14:52] <nigelb> balloons: did you figure out the stuff you wre working on yesterday?
[14:52] <dholbach> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooper%27s_Hill_Cheese-Rolling_and_Wake was the other one I was talking about
[14:52] <balloons> nigelb, yes thanks for your help
[14:52] <balloons> we spammed the mozilla channel for awhile, and then found carljim
[14:53] <balloons> he's pointed us in the proper direction
[14:53] <nigelb> I didn't do much. Just helping you find the right channel :)
[14:53] <nigelb> aha! good
[14:53] <balloons> lol.. that was more than half the battle
[14:55] <nigelb> haha
[14:55] <dholbach> james_w, http://www.cheese-rolling.co.uk/index1.htm - wow the pictures already tell you "if you want to break all your bones, this is the right place for you"
[14:55] <dholbach> nuts :)
[14:57] <balloons> but you get to keep the cheese!
[14:58] <balloons> that makes it worth it
[14:58] <balloons> assuming you win of course..
[14:59] <dholbach> ...and don't break all your bones - the guy "leading the field by a long way with a backward somersault" probably won't have been that lucky :)
[15:00] <balloons> I'm sure the wet grass made everything easier for competitors
[15:00]  * dholbach hugs james_w
[15:00] <dholbach> james_w, thanks a lot!
[15:31] <mhall119> jcastro: http://91.189.93.114:8000/en-US/home
[15:45] <nigelb> mhall119: \o/
[15:56] <marcoceppi> mhall119: did you get that one Mozilla support thing working?
[15:56] <mhall119> marcoceppi: I got it running, yeah
[15:56] <marcoceppi> Nice!
[15:56] <mhall119> now I need to see how much work it will take to make it an Ubuntu support thing :)
[15:58] <balloons> it's bacon!
[15:59] <balloons> sorry jono seeing your name immeadiately prompted the "beggin strips" dog commercials from the 90's
[15:59] <jono> hey balloons
[15:59] <jono> balloons, bacon bacon BACON!
[15:59] <balloons> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CErapf79rqM
[15:59] <jono> I've got no thumbs!
[15:59] <jono> I love that ad
[15:59] <jono> hows things?
[15:59] <dholbach> hey jono
[15:59] <balloons> too funny
[16:00] <balloons> going good, yourself? made it back without too much trouble i hope
[16:00] <dpm> morning jono
[16:00] <jono> hey dholbach, dpm
[16:01] <jono> balloons, indeed, great to be home :-)
[16:01] <jono> dholbach, dpm ready for the ARB catch-up?
[16:01] <dpm> yep
[16:01] <dholbach> yep
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[16:03] <jono> dholbach, dpm hangout sent
[16:06] <cjohnston> jono: could you please help out on bug #907565 bug #907672
[16:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 907565 in uds-project "sponsorship closing date needs to be specified" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/907565
[16:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 907672 in uds-project "Register page needs expenses date updated" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/907672
[16:21] <jono> balloons, mhall119 can we sync up this afternoon?
[16:21] <jono> individually, not together
[16:21] <balloons> sure
[16:21] <jono> I am going to put a few calls in your calendars
[16:21] <jono> thanks balloons
[16:26] <dpm> balloons, be careful, don't let jono turn your calendar into a very colourful jigsaw puzzle - you've seen his!
[16:27] <jono> dpm, LOL
[16:27] <balloons> this is true! when did I give jono permission to schedule for me?
[16:27] <balloons> :-)
[16:27] <jono> balloons, when you joined Canonical :-)
[16:27] <cjohnston> when you accepted a pay check from him
[16:28] <balloons> ok jono -- but try and make sure it's colorful.. I don't want all green blocks now
[16:28] <jono> balloons, LOL
[16:28] <jono> cjohnston, gonna get the sponsorship out this week
[16:35] <mhall119> jono: any time
[16:36] <mhall119> jono: can we move my call up an hour?
[16:36]  * mhall119 lied about that "any time"
[16:36] <jono> mhall119, done
[16:37] <mhall119> thanks
[16:37] <balloons> dpm, dholbach you guys ever here of Madredeus?
[16:37] <mhall119> jono: http://91.189.93.114:8000/en-US/home is canonistack
[16:37] <mhall119> is on
[16:37] <dholbach> balloons, no, I'm afraid not
[16:37] <mhall119> currently running through django's test server, I'm working on getting it setup on mod_wsgi
[16:38] <dpm> balloons, I have
[16:38] <balloons> it's a Portuguese folk / fado group..
[16:38] <balloons> very good stuff
[16:38] <dpm> ah, fado was the word!
[16:38] <dpm> I was trying to remember the type of music
[16:38] <balloons> :-) yes
[16:39] <balloons> it's quite lovely to have the luxury of having music playing during the day -- sans the headphones
[16:40] <balloons> at any rate.. yes, I enjoy it.. and that's alot coming from me, as I typically do not care for music where the voice is the primary instrument
[16:43] <mhall119> be back in a bit
[16:50] <balloons> this is sad.. I'm envious of jcastro now.. I need a third monitor :-(
[16:50] <cjohnston> lol
[16:51] <cprofitt> lol
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[16:52] <nigelb> balloons: But do you want enough work that you need 3 monitors?
[16:52] <nigelb> I'm sure one of jcastro's monitor just shows jono's schedule :P
[16:53] <balloons> nigelb, +1.. that is too funny
[16:53] <balloons> guess i'm up to 4 then
[16:53] <nigelb> haha
[16:53] <Pendulum> balloons: you only think nigelb is joking...
[16:53] <balloons> does that mean I'm a candidate for the unity multi-monitor setup testing?
[16:54] <balloons> Pendulum, ohh.. scary..
[16:54] <jono> nigelb, lol
[16:54] <jono> dholbach, thanks for sending the ARB mail out
[16:55] <dholbach> de rien
[16:55] <nigelb> :)
[16:55] <dholbach> and dev news are out as well
[16:55] <jono> dholbach, I would like to get us in a place where everyone adds their feedback and then once a week someone does a review of the full queue to identify what apps we can get through in the next week
[16:56] <jono> dholbach, I know you took an action to get that meeting set up with the ARB
[16:56] <jono> maybe we could get this set up on a Monda
[16:56] <jono> Monday
[16:56] <dholbach> jono, yes, that'd be helpful
[16:57] <jono> dholbach, and now we have the metrics in place (ergo when the QA Pending bug is fixed), we should be able to track progress effectively
[16:57] <jono> dpm, mailing David Pitkin about the Ask Ubuntu lens now, will copy you in
[17:00] <dpm> thanks jono!
[17:08] <nigelb> Noooooo http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2012/q1/200
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[17:19] <dpm> blimey
[17:26] <czajkowski> aye that was on our lug list this morning
[17:28] <mhall119> yikes
[17:58] <dholbach> have a great rest of your evening
[17:58] <dholbach> big hugs
[18:02] <mhall119> dpm: ping
[18:02] <dpm> hi mhall119
[18:03] <mhall119> dpm: hey, we spoke earlier in the week about removing "Ubuntu One (Data)" from the developer portal's API page
[18:03] <mhall119> would you like me to go ahead and move that down to the Deprecated section?
[18:05] <dpm> mhall119, sure, feel free to go for it.
[18:05] <dpm> you should be able to get to it with openid and the wp-admin page
[18:06] <mhall119> yup, already there
[18:06] <dpm> great :)
[18:07] <mhall119> done, thanks
[18:11] <s-fox> Goodbye.
[18:31] <jono> mhall119, will be a few mins and then will send a hangout
[18:35] <jono> mhall119, hangout sent
[18:56] <mhall119> jono: http://91.189.93.114:8000/en-US/home
[19:02] <bkerensa> Good Morning (Kinda) :)
[19:06] <jono> balloons, little delayed, won't be long
[19:06] <balloons> no worries..
[19:10] <bkerensa> hi bodhi_zazen :)
[19:15] <jono> balloons, invite sent
[19:15] <balloons> ey-ey cap't
[19:24] <bodhi_zazen> 'lo bkerensa =)
[19:25] <cprofitt> hey bkerensa bodhi_zazen
[19:29] <bkerensa> hi cprofitt
[20:55] <jono> mhall119, I sent over the Sumo reqs
[20:56] <jono> you should have an email in your inbox regarding this
[20:57] <mhall119> yup, got it
[20:58] <jono> mhall119, thanks
[20:59] <mhall119> jono: mind if I share this with sumodevs to get their opinions?
[20:59] <jono> mhall119, sure
[21:00] <mhall119> cool, thanks
[21:00] <jono> preferably not hyugely public
[21:00] <jono> fine to share on one on one emails
[21:00] <mhall119> ok
[21:00] <jono> but on a mailing list
[21:00] <jono> actually
[21:00] <jono> actually, no keep it private, but one on one is fine
[21:00] <jono> thanks
[21:01] <jono> mhall119, I recommend you schedule a call with the product owner who we spoke to a while back
[21:01] <mhall119> sounds good
[21:37] <pleia2> popey: noticed the discussion in -irc, what's the official word on the ayatana name in general?
[21:37] <pleia2> (now that I just finished up printing 50 handouts for my talk listing the Ayatana wiki page under UI resources)
[21:37] <popey> whoops
[21:37] <popey> we can redirect that
[21:38] <pleia2> is it morphing into just being about unity?
[21:38] <pleia2> (I guess it already sort of was)
[21:38]  * popey points pleia2 at jcastro and / or jono
[21:38] <cjohnston> lol
[21:39] <pleia2> maybe I can find jcastro tonight (I suspect he's on or near an airplane right now?)
[21:39] <popey> no idea
[21:40] <popey> dunno why he would be
[21:40] <pleia2> SCALE starts tomorrow, he's speaking and running a juju charm school
[21:40] <popey> its his job to sit at home and be at my beck and call for various stupid questions
[21:43] <pangolin> how much does that pay, cause I can do that?
[21:44] <pleia2> $2
[21:44] <pangolin> per silly question?
[21:44] <pangolin> I will be rivh!
[21:44] <pleia2> per YEAR
[21:44] <pangolin> rich!
[21:45] <pleia2> hehe
[21:45] <pangolin> no silly comeback :(
[21:45]  * pangolin hugs pleia2 
[21:45]  * pleia2 hugs
[21:47] <mhall119> pleia2: actually I'm the one to talk to now, not jorge
[21:47] <pleia2> this is what I get for listening to popey! troublemaker
[21:47] <mhall119> I'll be talking to the DX team about what will become of the ayatana name, but for now they want the channel forwarded to #ubuntu-unity
[21:47] <pleia2> alright
[21:48] <pleia2> the rationale is what we discussed at UDS, it's not very within the Ubuntu community both in the form of discoverability and general naming conventions?
[21:49] <mhall119> pleia2: that's what I've been told
[21:49] <pleia2> ok, good, thanks :)
[21:58] <popey> time for home made fudge!
[21:59] <jono> popey, woo!
[22:00] <jono> pleia2, we are moving to #ubuntu-unity
[22:00] <jono> although #ayatana is still open and the topic points people to the new channel
[22:00] <jono> and btw folks, jcastro is no longer the go-to guy for Unity...you can now chat to mhall119
[22:01]  * mhall119 runs
[22:05] <mhall119> one item off tomorrow's todo list
[22:09] <balloons> yea mhall119!
[22:09] <balloons> so tell me when will unity be able to make me sandwiches?
[22:12] <mhall119> balloons: even if we added that, people would still complain that it doesn't let them customize the sandwich enough
[22:12] <balloons> mhall119, I fell off my chair
[22:12] <mhall119> :)
[22:21] <mhall119> jono: http://mhall119.com/2012/01/lets-chat-about-unity/
[22:22] <jono> mhall119, perfect!
[22:22] <jono> I will tweet it
[22:22] <mhall119> two items off my list!
[22:23] <jono> :-)
[22:28] <popey> haha, i think you killed mhall119's host
[22:28] <popey> jonodotted
[22:31] <balloons> lol.. I'm going to hit it now also
[22:32] <mhall119> popey: it's my cheap t1.micro instance
[22:32] <balloons> <3 my instance
[22:36] <mhall119_> I just need to do something with apache
[22:36] <balloons> what do you have running on it mhall119?
[22:36] <mhall119_> every time I put up a new post, search bots hit it enough that amazon starts limiting my cpu time
[22:37] <balloons> it should serve things up fine
[22:37] <mhall119_> it's a t1.micro instance
[22:37] <mhall119_> it's fine 99% of the time
[22:37] <mhall119_> but if you carry even a moderate load for any more than a few seconds, Amazon restricts how much CPU time you get
[22:38] <balloons> yes.. burst mode was always enough for me
[22:38] <mhall119_> it also runs my irssi session
[22:38] <balloons> but I don't host anything on my instance now
[22:38] <mhall119_> and a handful of other websites
[22:38] <balloons> lol handful
[22:39] <balloons> my is pure number crunching.. running my irc session and some "other" stuff
[22:39] <mhall119_> yours is a micro?
[22:39] <mhall119_> or a small
[22:39] <cjohnston> mhall119_: identity crisis?
[22:40] <mhall119_> cjohnston: server crisis
[22:40] <cjohnston> lol
[22:40] <mhall119_> it's like jono is popular or something
[22:42] <mhall119_> I need to try nginx
[22:43] <cjohnston> I like nginx, but its a pita
[22:49] <balloons> sorry mhall119.. yes it's a micro
[22:49] <balloons> micro -> small is a big step
[22:50] <balloons> micro really is micro
[22:50] <mhall119_> yeah
[22:50] <mhall119> seems to have settled down now
[22:50] <balloons> lol
[22:50] <balloons> i'm going to hit reload...
[22:50] <mhall119> >:(
[22:52] <balloons> cool
[22:52] <bodhi_zazen> mhall119: nginx is very fast and light weight and IMO does best with static content, if you need php better to stay with apache
[22:53] <mhall119> ah, I'm running wordpress, so yeah
[22:53] <bodhi_zazen> It can be done with nginx, but, not really worth the hassle, imo
[22:54] <mhall119> i tuned-down apache, we'll see if that helps
[22:56] <bodhi_zazen> I looked at some wp optimizations a few years ago, can give you a link to some suggestions on my blog if you wish
[22:58] <MrChrisDruif> nginx is something web-related? Like lighttpd or something like that?
[22:58]  * MrChrisDruif will go look himself ^_^
[22:58] <bodhi_zazen> yes MrChrisDruif
[22:59] <bodhi_zazen> MrChrisDruif: https://calomel.org/nginx.html
[22:59] <bodhi_zazen> although it is in the ubuntu repos so you do not need to compile it
[23:00] <MrChrisDruif> Ow...it IS like lighttpd...
[23:00] <MrChrisDruif> I'll read up on it and how it compares both in performance and licenses to the rest
[23:01] <bodhi_zazen> It is very fast and very lightweight, but it is also best for static content
[23:03] <MrChrisDruif> What is to be considered dynamic content?
[23:04] <bodhi_zazen> php, scripts
[23:04] <bodhi_zazen> static content = flat html / images / js
[23:06] <MrChrisDruif> Al right
[23:26] <balloons> happy trails and fair winds.. i bid thee good noc
[23:35] <jono> laters balloons :-)
[23:37] <MrChrisDruif> Bye balloons
[23:37] <MrChrisDruif> How's it going jono ?