2012/01/12/#ubuntu-beginners.txt

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[04:22] <Goodguy69> Hi all, just wanted to say Hi.
[04:34] <Goodguy69> I am running Lucid10.04 on my pc and really don't like the newer version with the Ubuntu One theme. How long can I stay with Lucid before I have no option to upgrade?
[04:35] <holstein> Goodguy69: you will be offered to upgrade to 12.04, and should be offered 12.10
[04:35] <Unit193> Can't jump from 10.04 to 12.10 though
[04:36] <holstein> not sure how much past that... the repos should be off by the time 13.04 is out, but 10.04 server is supported for 5 years
[04:36] <holstein> yeah, ^^ thats true.. you can only jump LTS to LTS
[04:36] <Unit193> Or LTS to next "beta" ;)
[04:36] <holstein> Unit193: you think you can go from 10.04 to 14.04?
[04:36] <Goodguy69> I want to stay with 10.04?
[04:36] <Unit193> Nope
[04:37] <holstein> you'd have to jump to 12.04...
[04:37] <holstein> Goodguy69: no reason not to stay with it really
[04:37] <holstein> im still running it
[04:37] <Goodguy69> Ive tried out 11.10 and hate the Ubuntu One look and desktop.
[04:37] <holstein> Goodguy69: unity
[04:38] <holstein> ubuntu one is the online storage service... kind of like dropbox
[04:38] <Goodguy69> Sorry Unity lol.
[04:38] <Unit193> holstein: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=ubuntu-release-cycle-2.png
[04:38] <holstein> Goodguy69: no worries
[04:38] <holstein> Unit193: thats a nice graphic
[04:39] <Goodguy69> I have used 11.10 with the gnome classic setup but a lot of features were missing?
[04:39] <Unit193> Another one too http://www.ubuntu.com/sites/www.ubuntu.com/files/active/02_ubuntu/U_business/desktop-release-nov-2011.png (Shows you where you can upgrade)
[04:39] <holstein> Goodguy69: its a different UI... ubuntu is doing what it always has... supply the latest version of gnome
[04:39] <holstein> just gnome is not default any longer, and gnome3 is not like gnome2
[04:40] <Goodguy69> How is it different?
[04:40] <holstein> Goodguy69: if you have a chance, check out xubuntu
[04:40] <holstein> most are finding XFCE to be quite gnome like
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[04:40] <holstein> Goodguy69: gnome3?... gnome3 is a lot like unity actually
[04:41] <Unit193> Kubuntu is also another option
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[04:41] <holstein> yup... lubuntu... all kinds of desktop options really
[04:41] <Goodguy69> Whats the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu?
[04:42] <holstein> Goodguy69: the way the desktop looks/feels basically
[04:42] <holstein> kubuntu uses KDE
[04:42] <holstein> ubuntu use to use gnome, now they use unity
[04:42] <holstein> lubuntu uses LXDE
[04:42] <Goodguy69> Sorry for asking dumb questions, but im starting to really like linux. And don't wan't to go back to Windows.
[04:43] <holstein> xubuntu uses XFCE which is very much like gnome2, the one you are missing
[04:43] <holstein> Goodguy69: right
[04:43] <holstein> there are options
[04:43] <holstein> Goodguy69: there are gnome2 forks, and gnome3 forks... but i suggest trying xubuntu... thats arguably the most like 10.04 was
[04:43] <Goodguy69> Thanks Holstein I will look into Kubuntu.
[04:43] <holstein> Goodguy69: xubuntu
[04:44] <holstein> kubuntu is great too... and look at it, but its not much like gnome2
[04:44] <Goodguy69> Xubuntu.
[04:44] <holstein> you might really like it though
[04:44] <holstein> http://www.xubuntu.org/
[04:44] <holstein> same deal... just download the image, burn it to a CD, and try it live first
[04:44] <holstein> see if you like it :)
[04:45] <Goodguy69> I have been using 10.04 for the past few weeks and like it, so will try out your suggestion.
[04:45] <holstein> Goodguy69: im using 10.04 most places too
[04:45] <Unit193> http://www.kubuntu.org/ if you don't like the other one
[04:46] <Goodguy69> Thanks for the links guys.
[04:49] <nixnine> hey guys, is there a terminal command to see if my comp is bluetooth enabled?
[04:50] <holstein> hciconfig ?
[04:51] <holstein> i dont have anything around to test it on :/
[04:51] <holstein> nixnine: check out http://hanishkvc.wordpress.com/2007/05/16/short-and-simple-commandline-bluetooth-in-any-new-linux-distros/ and let me know if thats not enough for you
[11:11] <AJH101> Hi - i was running Ubuntu under Windoze (via Wubi) but have now set up a dual boot system. Although I have uninstalled Wubi I am still given the choice to run this when booting. How do I amend this please?
[11:12] <Snicksie> hm, I guess you should change that in your windows bootloader
[11:12] <AJH101> Where would i find that?!
[11:12] <Snicksie> maybe this helps you AJH101 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/289022
[11:12] <AJH101> :-)
[11:16] <AJH101> This is good thanks but under 'system startup' there is nothing indicating 'edit'
[11:16] <AJH101> !
[11:23] <AJH101> apparently there is no boot.ini in vista - eek
[11:33] <AJH101> hello - how do change whatever passes for a boot.ini file in Vista please?
[11:35] <fr33r1d3> AJH101: Have you tested using BCDEDIT? http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/2014/vista_using_bcdedit_boot_up_options_dual_boot_xp_prof/
[11:37] <coalwater> there's an option for that in some gui, hold on gonna remember the name lol
[11:39] <zeroseven0183> AJH101, check out this page. The last part might help you http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-safely-uninstall-ubuntu-in-windows-dual-boot-environment/
[11:39] <fr33r1d3> You can change boot.ini from MSCONFIG too.
[11:40] <coalwater> in cmd write 'msconfig'
[11:40] <coalwater> yea
[11:40] <fr33r1d3> reading thoughts
[12:17] <AJH101> hello - i was running ubuntu via wubi (within Vista) but have now set up dual boot. Although I have uninstalled wubi i am still offered the option to boot into ubuntu. I understand i need to edit boot.ini but this does not exist within vista. (I only need it for some online poker rooms). Any ideas?
[12:22] <IAmNotThatGuy> AJH101: According to http://tinyurl.com/7y83qrs , you can use Bcdedit command to edit settings
[12:24] <coalwater> AJH101: you have the windows boot loader right? fr33r1d3 and i suggested editing thru msconfig, i didn't check if u were gone or still there
[12:25] <Snicksie> AJH101, http://paste.ubuntu.com/801680/ << thats what they said while you were gone :)
[12:26] <AJH101> Thanks IAmNotThatGuy but I am trying to edit the file. Snicksie i will check the link thanks
[12:26] <IAmNotThatGuy> I believe there is no boot.ini file in Vista
[12:27] <AJH101> indeed! i will now reboot and try msconfig - ttfn!
[12:28] <coalwater> hm, why reboot
[12:29] <coalwater> test the change ?
[12:29] <nlsthzn_> the only person that knows isn't here right now ;)
[12:29] <IAmNotThatGuy> lol
[12:31] <Snicksie> maybe because he was in ubuntu?
[12:33] <fr33r1d3> IAmNotThatGuy: from a quick googling.. "the boot.ini file has been replaced with Boot
[12:33] <fr33r1d3> Configuration Data (BCD)"
[12:33] <IAmNotThatGuy> fr33r1d3: I have shared a tinuyurl explaining that. btw, thanks =]
[12:34] <fr33r1d3> ok, maybe i should read before i type ;-)
[12:35] <IAmNotThatGuy> wb AJH101
[12:35] <AJH101> hello again via vista - msconfig at the ready! :-)
[12:36] <IAmNotThatGuy> Great =]
[12:36] <AJH101> hmm - can find no mention of wubi, linux or ubuntu
[12:38] <fr33r1d3> are you looking on the Boot tab?
[12:38] <Snicksie> http://tinyurl.com/7y83qrs http://paste.ubuntu.com/801680/ are the urls if you forgot them :)
[12:39] <fr33r1d3> AJH101: I think I find something that might interest you: http://www.vistabootpro.org/
[12:43] <AJH101> damn - keep being disconnected for some reason - did i miss anything please?
[12:46] <Snicksie> [13:38]  <Snicksie> http://tinyurl.com/7y83qrs http://paste.ubuntu.com/801680/ are the urls if you forgot them :)[13:39]  * Goodguy69 (7a3d13d4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.122.61.19.212) has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[13:39]  <fr33r1d3> AJH101: I think I find something that might interest you: http://www.vistabootpro.org/
[12:51] <AJH101> got those thanks - not really answers to my issue - i can live with it i suppose.
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[14:47] <s-fox> Hello.
[14:51] <Friedhelm> Hello world is the word;-)
[14:59] <Snicksie> Bird is the word :o
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[16:26] <AJH101> A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Having changed partitions using a livecd and gparted, i can no longer boot into the os chooser (bootloader). Can I recover, or do I need to use this as a lesson and reinstall everything?!
[16:27] <Snicksie> AJH101, what did you do exactly? :)
[16:27] <Snicksie> you can always try to fix your grub boot loader
[16:28] <Snicksie> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Methods_of_Reinstalling
[16:28] <AJH101> ill read this thanks
[16:34] <AJH101> Snicksie thanks - will be back either way :-)
[17:28] <s-fox> Goodbye.
[18:55] <nothingspecial> hi LadyGorey
[18:55] <LadyGorey> Hello nothingspecial
[18:55]  * nothingspecial is struggling to find ubuntu/mac users here
[18:55] <LadyGorey> Take your time, I'm not in a huge rush
[18:56] <LadyGorey> Actually brb
[18:57] <nothingspecial> kay
[19:00] <nothingspecial> LadyGorey, http://superuser.com/questions/84446/how-to-mount-a-hfs-partition-in-ubuntu-as-read-write
[19:01] <LadyGorey> This would be easy if I had access to a Mac, but I don't right now
[19:02] <holstein> LadyGorey: this is easy from ubuntu
[19:02] <LadyGorey> Okay thanks
[19:02] <holstein> you just mount the drive
[19:02] <LadyGorey> I'm looking at the doc more thoroughly
[19:02] <nothingspecial> thanks holstein
[19:04] <LadyGorey> Still confused
[19:05] <holstein> LadyGorey: do you have the drive plugged in?
[19:05] <LadyGorey> Yes
[19:05] <holstein> LadyGorey: do you see 'disk utility' in the menu?
[19:06] <LadyGorey> Yeah I got it open
[19:07] <holstein> LadyGorey: do you see the hard drive in question mentioned there?
[19:07] <LadyGorey> Yes
[19:08] <holstein> LadyGorey: that is great!
[19:08] <LadyGorey> My guess next is edit partition?
[19:08] <LadyGorey> Or...?
[19:08] <holstein> LadyGorey: nope
[19:08] <LadyGorey> No dice. Okay, what's next?
[19:08] <holstein> LadyGorey: just sit tight!
[19:08] <LadyGorey> Ok!
[19:08]  * LadyGorey sits
[19:09] <holstein> i would literally just open the file manager and see if its there
[19:09] <holstein> and click on it
[19:09] <holstein> or right click and mount it
[19:10] <LadyGorey> Uh... hold on
[19:11] <LadyGorey> When I right click in Disk Utility, nothing happens, when I right click in a general folder on my hard drive, the options are very limited
[19:13] <Snicksie> LadyGorey, have a sec... i'm going to read your story, got a mac myself ;)
[19:13] <LadyGorey> :)
[19:13] <Snicksie> okay
[19:13] <holstein> yup... im going to hand this off to our resident mac professional LadyGorey :)
[19:13] <holstein> Snicksie: thanks :)
[19:13] <LadyGorey> Thanks for helping holstein
[19:14] <Snicksie> so you're on ubuntu, installed on a mac (how did you do this? with boot camp and rEFIt or ...? is it a 'new'(intel-based) mac or an old one?)
[19:14] <LadyGorey> Nope...
[19:14] <holstein> its another box
[19:14] <holstein> AFAIK..
[19:14] <LadyGorey> I had a Mac, the harddrive is installed for Mac. The mac died
[19:14] <Snicksie> okay
[19:14] <LadyGorey> I'm currently running Ubuntu on a PC
[19:15] <LadyGorey> I can see the hard drive on here but it's read-only and I want to be able to move stuff to and from it like I did on my Mac, but I don't want to reformat it because I have about 100+GB of data on it
[19:16] <Snicksie> well, okay... :p
[19:16] <LadyGorey> It's complicated I know
[19:16] <Snicksie> well, I see... thats why I never had a problem... I always only needed to read :p
[19:17] <LadyGorey> Wish I could say the same!
[19:19] <LadyGorey> What would happen if I changed the partition?
[19:19] <nothingspecial> you would loose your data
[19:19] <LadyGorey> Same with formatting, I assume?
[19:20] <nothingspecial> what do you mean by change?
[19:20] <LadyGorey> Well there's an edit partition option under disk utility
[19:20] <nothingspecial> no no no
[19:20] <LadyGorey> I'm not clicking anything, was just curious
[19:21] <nothingspecial> that is for deleting, resizing, formatting etc
[19:21] <LadyGorey> ok
[19:22] <LadyGorey> It says I can unmount it
[19:22] <nothingspecial> Maybe you should try  #mac ##mac or ##apple as well
[19:23] <LadyGorey> Okay
[19:23] <nothingspecial> stick here though, someone might pop up
[19:23] <LadyGorey> I'm in both now
[19:25] <nothingspecial> I'll be back later
[19:25] <nothingspecial> :)
[19:25] <LadyGorey> Thanks for helpign
[19:26] <LadyGorey> helping**
[19:30] <LadyGorey> I think I found a solution... thanks everyone
[20:05] <AJH101> geirha: sorry for the delay in coming back to you. I tried the first option to reinstall grub in the link you gave me but no joy!
[20:07] <geirha> So long in fact that I don't remember giving you any links regarding grub
[20:07] <AJH101> lol sorry - life getting in the way
[20:07] <geirha> Looking through the backlog, I think you meant Snicksie
[20:08] <AJH101> perhaps it is incorrect to call it grub - bootloader?
[20:08] <AJH101> o sorry
[20:08] <Snicksie> ah, grub :)
[20:08] <Snicksie> yeah
[20:08] <geirha> grub is the bootloader ubuntu uses, so either term is correct. One is just more specific than the other.
[20:08] <AJH101> snicksie: can you help please?
[20:08] <Snicksie> !grub2
[20:08] <ubot2`> GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10)
[20:09] <AJH101> ubot2: Thanks!
[20:09] <Snicksie> ubot is our mighty bot :p
[20:11] <Snicksie> AJH101, so the current situation is ...? :)
[20:11] <Snicksie> do you have grub or the windows bootloader or none?
[20:14] <urlin2u> AJH101, you ever use the bootscript?
[20:15] <urlin2u> AJH101, run this and pastebin the results.txt it will cut down the 20 questions. http://bootinfoscript.sourceforge.net/