2009/03/21/#ubuntu-ops.txt

[00:00] <LjL> i know what they were after, yes
[00:00] <LjL> [00:42:54] <bruce89> I don't like to be insulted, I just want my opinions respected
[00:00] <bruce89> doesn't matter
[00:00] <LjL> [00:43:40] <bruce89> I'm sad that Ubuntu has turned into Arch
[00:00] <LjL> [00:44:01] <snuxoll> bruce89: must you continue whining?
[00:00] <bruce89> I don't think I'll bother with -offtopic anyway
[00:00] <LjL> (which really was a hint to !stop)
[00:00] <bruce89> !stop
[00:00] <ubottu> NOTICE - Please stop this discussion NOW. See !offtopic for things that are inappropriate to discuss in this channel. Continuing will result in action being taken.
[00:02] <bruce89> you must understand it is hardly nice to be insulted and accused like that
[00:03] <LjL> we're running in circles here.
[00:03] <LjL> if in a bunch of days you feel like you'd like to join #ubuntu-offtopic again, please give us a ping here.
[00:03] <bruce89> shouldn't have thought so
[00:07] <LjL> bruce89: if right now you don't have any further questions for this channel, please part and come back later when you do
[00:07] <bruce89> lovely
[00:09] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu-ops bruce89 Way too argumentative for my liking. I had noticed that during the past days in #ubuntu-offtopic, too. He'll be unbanned when he shows he'll play by the rules no matter how "upset" he may be about anything.
[00:09] <ubottu> The operation succeeded.
[00:16] <ubottu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, rww said: !LjL is has factoid
[00:28] <Myrtti> the cake is not a lie!
[00:28] <Myrtti> I haz caek.
[00:33] <jussi01> There is no spoon...
[00:33] <jussi01> err... cake
[00:49] <Flannel> LjL: cinnamon roll
[00:50] <LjL> Flannel: wait, what?
[00:50] <Flannel> LjL: in #u, you've got a cinnamon roll
[00:50] <LjL> oh right
[01:25] <LjL> yay, watchbot got its first real hit
[01:42] <Flannel> Apparently ops know all of the answers
[01:43] <LjL> Flannel: how can you get to know all the answers?
[01:43] <elky> LjL, watchbot?
[01:43] <Flannel> LjL: I don't know when Ubuntu is going to have ipod support.
[01:43] <LjL> elky: yeah, extension to floodbots that ended up being its own bot. you can join ##ljl and post any dodgy link to try it.
[01:43] <Flannel> er, iphone support, even.
[01:46] <elky> are you using the wikileaks watch lists? :P
[01:46] <bazhang> ikonia, you were referring to zenitur I am guessing
[01:46] <LjL> elky: nope, opendns.com... besides, how could you even *know* about the wikileaks list? i thought that was a $11000 fine for you to know about it :P
[01:50] <Flannel> eventy hundred dollars?
[01:51] <LjL> Flannel: that's what i read (not really for knowing about it, but for linking to it - or any other site blacklisted by the oz firewall)
[02:35] <bazhang> * [breakmyfall] (i=breakmyf@5.dollar.sucky.sucky.at.shellium.org): BreakMyFaLL  okay?
[02:36] <LjL> bazhang: there's quite a few users from shellium lately
[02:36] <bazhang> LjL, ahem the bit preceding shellium I meant (since we had kavity get a vhost for much less)
[02:37] <LjL> bazhang: i dunno, i'm not the one to be fascist about hostnames (although i'll certainly keep a special eyes on vhosts like those)
[02:38] <bazhang> :0
[02:39] <LjL> bazhang: it's just a hostname, in theory it's not even you deciding it. although of course it is in case of shell vhosts.
[02:39] <bazhang> LjL, good point
[02:39] <bazhang> I was agnostic on kavity tbh
[02:39] <bazhang> he was arguing about cursing in -ot and then we noticed it
[02:43] <LjL> bazhang: i won't really hide the fact that i'm not quite in agreement with some ops over extremely strict usermask policing. (such as banning "jesus", meh.)
[02:43] <bazhang> * [Netham46] (n=ubuntu@unaffiliated/netham45): purple trolling?
[02:43] <LjL> netham reminds me of something
[02:43] <bazhang> <Netham46> justin__: I personally avoid Linux like a plague for my web servers, they're all IIS. I moved from Linux a couple years ago, and I've had no issues since. :)
[02:46] <LjL> bazhang: uhm, he's been a long-time user, he doesn't "seem" like a troll from skimming the logs
[02:46] <LjL> or - perhaps he does seem like one. subtly though.
[02:48] <bazhang> he said he is rebooting, yet only left #ubuntu (ie still on freenode)
[02:49] <LjL> bazhang: he's got Netham45 in ##windows, too, although i wasn't on ##windows
[02:51] <bazhang> LjL, just the 'oh usb-creator is broken, no wonder I dont use linux, windows server is great, etc'
[02:52] <bazhang> seems like a load of fud to me
[02:52] <LjL> so cross-trolling, uhm
[02:52] <bazhang> still on freenode (ie not rebooted)
[02:52] <bazhang> shades of slayer
[02:54] <LjL> bazhang: i left a @mark about him. what about shades of slayer, is that some reference to shadeslayer...?
[02:54] <bazhang> LjL, yeah, subtle (or notso at times) trolling
[02:54] <bazhang> suddenly his gnome and cdrom is fixed miraculously at the last moment
[02:55] <bazhang> after literally days of 'it must be hal' it not mounting in kde
[03:18] <LjL> bazhang et al: i'm going to bed, if watchbot starts behaving very badly for any reason, just ban
[03:18] <Flannel> LjL: sounds good.
[03:18] <bazhang> LjL, okay (in #ubuntu)
[03:21] <ubottu> musikgoat|main called the ops in #ubuntu (Germanaz0)
[05:22] <elky> mr spammer is back as daemonfc again
[05:23] <tritium> elky: where?
[05:24] <elky> -ot
[05:24] <tritium> oh
[05:27] <elky> yeah, you're the smart one who steers clear of there
[05:27] <elky> tonyyarusso, ^^
[05:28] <tonyyarusso> heh
[05:31] <tonyyarusso> Wth is the purpose of Watchbot?
[05:47] <ubottu> n2diy called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[05:48] <tritium> taken care of
[08:05] <ubottu> In ubottu, rww said: !no, lfs is <reply> LFS is Linux From Scratch, a Linux distribution (http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/), not to be confused with !LTS which stands for "Long Term Support".
[08:05] <Flannel> !lfs
[08:05] <ubottu> LFS is linux from scratch www.linuxfromscratch.org; not to be confused with  LTS which is the long term support version of ubuntu (6.06 and 8.04)
[08:44] <ikonia> don't see the point of that factoid
[08:45]  * jussi01 waves sleepily to ikonia
[08:45]  * jussi01 is somewhat hungover...
[08:45] <ikonia> join the club
[08:46] <ikonia> I'm about to go and get my car from the gargage and pickup a new amp
[08:46] <ikonia> just waiting for my lift to go and pick it up
[08:47] <jussi01> I should clean today... lets see how that goes.
[08:48] <ikonia> @bansearch BUGabundo
[08:48] <ubottu> No matches found for bugabundo!n=bugabund@bl6-230-81.dsl.telepac.pt in any channel
[08:48] <ikonia> ???
[08:49] <ikonia> ahhh right so he's ban dodging
[08:49] <jussi01> where?
[08:49] <ikonia> +1
[08:49] <ikonia> I banned him last night - had a discussion with him and told him the ban would be for the weekend due to his attitude in pm 
[08:49] <ikonia> so straight after I go go bed - he's back in on a new IP 
[08:49] <ikonia> @mark
[08:49] <ubottu> (mark [<channel>] <nick|hostmask> [<comment>]) -- Creates an entry in the Bantracker as if <nick|hostmask> was kicked from <channel> with the comment <comment>, if <comment> is given it will be uses as the comment on the Bantracker, <channel> is only needed when send in /msg
[08:51] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu+1 bugabundo  ban dodging as soon as my back was turned in +1
[08:51] <ubottu> The operation succeeded.
[08:54]  * jussi01 waves to Hobbsee!!!
[08:54] <ikonia> it's Hobbsee 
[09:45] <bazhang> Hobbsee, !!
[09:48] <Nafallo> Hoooooobsee
[10:18] <Myrtti> *burp*
[10:18] <Myrtti> caek
[10:20]  * topyli joins ikonia's club
[10:21] <ikonia> my club ?
[10:23] <topyli> the hangover club you founded with jussi01
[10:23] <ikonia> ahh
[10:23] <bazhang> ikonia, you were referring to zenitur in -irc?
[10:23] <ikonia> bazhang: yes
[10:23] <bazhang> ikonia, just getting the lowdown now
[10:23] <jussi01> wow, I just cleaned the fridge...bleh
[10:23] <ikonia> nice
[10:23] <Myrtti> http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/3372596780/
[10:24] <Myrtti> http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/3372596788/
[10:24] <jussi01> the cake is still a lie...
[10:24] <jussi01> :P
[10:31] <ubottu> bazhang called the ops in #kubuntu (tarfart)
[10:33] <bazhang> whoa
[10:33] <Tm_T> nice, chanserv got slow on me
[10:34] <jussi01> panos4ever: do you understand why you were forwarded here?
[10:34] <bazhang> panos4ever, never type that
[10:34] <panos4ever> ok
[10:34] <bazhang> panos4ever, not even in anger or as a joke
[10:34] <panos4ever> yeah yeah
[10:34] <panos4ever> i know
[10:34] <bazhang> panos4ever, new users might try to run it
[10:34] <panos4ever> :(
[10:34] <Tm_T> panos4ever: you know and you still did that
[10:35] <panos4ever> i didnt know that if i tell this like that
[10:35] <panos4ever> i would be banned
[10:35] <Tm_T> panos4ever: that is not the point
[10:35] <panos4ever> kkk
[10:35] <panos4ever> sorry
[10:35] <panos4ever> plz can u disban me?
[10:35] <Tm_T> panos4ever: the point is you possibly harm other users, that's the thing you should be worry
[10:35] <bazhang> it was wrong
[10:36] <bazhang> Never type that.
[10:36] <panos4ever> disban plz?
[10:36] <jussi01> Tm_T: I got to run, feel free to sort this as you see fit
[10:36] <Tm_T> "plz" and "u" (:
[10:36] <Tm_T> jussi01: will do son
[10:36] <panos4ever> for me???
[10:37] <bazhang> I think he should have time to reflect on this
[10:37] <bazhang> !coc | panos4ever 
[10:37] <ubottu> panos4ever: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[10:37] <Tm_T> panos4ever: ok, heres the thing, please don't say anything that can be dangerous in that way in support channels, ever
[10:37] <bazhang> !guidelines | panos4ever 
[10:37] <ubottu> panos4ever: The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[10:37] <bazhang> read those panos4ever 
[10:38] <panos4ever> ok i will be back
[10:38] <Tm_T> panos4ever: read those links and meet us when you have read them fully with thought
[10:45] <Hobbsee> heya!
[10:46] <bazhang> panos4ever, please dont idle here
[10:46] <panos4ever> i am here
[10:46] <bazhang> !idle | panos4ever 
[10:46] <ubottu> panos4ever: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only; we ask you to part when you have no further business here in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries.
[10:47] <bazhang> panos4ever, please exit the channel
[10:50] <Myrtti> could someone take the forward off?
[10:51] <bazhang> I would if I could
[10:53] <jussi01> done
[10:54] <bazhang> he just PM'ed me asking for all the links. No attitude just wanted the links.
[10:55] <bazhang> should he come back in a couple of days? or longer
[10:55] <Myrtti> !coc > panos4ever
[10:55] <Myrtti> bah
[10:55] <bazhang> he has them 
[10:55] <jussi01> bazhang: 24H. imho
[10:55] <Myrtti> I forget doing it like that makes ubotwo send them too
[10:55] <bazhang> jussi01, okay
[10:56] <jussi01> bazhang: its just he knew it was wrong, and got frustrated. needs to cool down. 
[10:57] <bazhang> jussi01, what he did was wrong; tarfart was really foul though (not a defense, but understandable that he would be upset)
[10:57] <bazhang> and he was asked to stop with the language more than once
[10:57] <bazhang> ie tarfart
[10:59] <bazhang> ah tarfart is now in #ubuntu
[11:01] <bazhang> BUGabundo, how may we help you
[11:02] <jussi01> ikonia: ;)
[11:02] <bazhang> he is ban dodging in #kubuntu
[11:02] <BUGabundo> good morning
[11:03] <bazhang> jussi01, tarfart
[11:03] <BUGabundo> hi bazhang
[11:03] <BUGabundo> I was brought here automaticly
[11:03] <BUGabundo> I guess it was to do with ikonia ban on me
[11:03] <jussi01> bazhang: I only kicked him.
[11:03] <bazhang> jussi01, I see
[11:03] <BUGabundo> he says I delebirate changed my IP to access #ubuntu+1
[11:03] <jussi01> watching though. 
[11:03] <BUGabundo> when I had no control of the router, where I was last night
[11:03] <bazhang> he was really foul, and seemingly trolling
[11:04] <BUGabundo> please visit the channel and ask further opionins
[11:04] <BUGabundo> many others can see this a single side vision
[11:04] <bazhang> BUGabundo, this was about advertising a channel iirc
[11:04] <BUGabundo> I'll shut up now, and be availble to your questions
[11:05] <bazhang> BUGabundo, so why not take a short while off (as he suggested the weekend)
[11:05] <BUGabundo> bazhang: humm I did... I did not enter the # on purposed
[11:05] <bazhang> BUGabundo, then we can put it behind us
[11:05] <BUGabundo> pidgin as it set as autologin
[11:05] <BUGabundo> for me its all good
[11:06] <BUGabundo> I gave ikonia all the will he could
[11:06] <bazhang> BUGabundo, see you after the weekend then
[11:06] <BUGabundo> did not pursue anything on this mather anymore
[11:07] <bazhang> <tarfart> hix the crack tool
[11:07] <bazhang> :/
[11:08] <bazhang> BUGabundo, please part the channel and see you on Monday
[12:08] <alteregoa> heh
[12:08] <alteregoa> houston i got a problem
[12:08] <bazhang> alteregoa, how may we help you
[12:09] <alteregoa> i added ushare
[12:09] <alteregoa> but this stuff scans the whole root
[12:09] <alteregoa> aprox 10tb, and that takes forever
[12:09] <bazhang> alteregoa, this is not a support channel you realize
[12:11] <alteregoa> ah
[12:11] <bazhang> #ubuntu for support
[12:11] <alteregoa> if i join ubuntu it forwarss me to this channel
[12:11] <alteregoa> #ubuntu #ubuntu-ops Forwarding to another channel
[12:12] <alteregoa> i try to log on another fn server
[12:13] <alteregoa> still the same 
[12:14] <bazhang> you are banned in #ubuntu and forwarded here
[12:14] <bazhang> do you recall why you were banned?
[12:14] <alteregoa> yes
[12:15] <alteregoa> it was like 4 months ago
[12:15] <bazhang> 10 days ago by the ban records
[12:16] <alteregoa> ok so i log in with my shell
[12:16] <bazhang> alteregoa, ban evade?
[12:16] <alteregoa> i pasted a website containing a dude talking crap
[12:17] <alteregoa> that was harassing a few ppls
[12:17] <bazhang> alteregoa, better to resolve this with the operator who banned you then ban evade
[12:18] <bazhang> ban evasion is against freenode policy and could lead to you being banned from the server altogether
[12:18] <alteregoa> i don't remember the op, cause he klined me
[12:18] <bazhang> alteregoa, klined? are you certain?
[12:18] <alteregoa> yes
[12:19] <bazhang> alteregoa, then you should ask in #freenode and disconnect
[12:19] <alteregoa> ok i ask there
[12:32] <jussi01> wow.... seems a lovely guy
[12:33] <jussi01> ...
[12:33] <jussi01> grumble... why doesnt this game in crossover detect I have the cd in :/
[12:35] <bazhang> which game jussi01 ?
[12:36] <jussi01> heroes of might and magic 3...
[12:36] <jussi01> :D
[12:36] <bazhang> hehe
[12:36] <jussi01> keep s telling me to put the cd in and restart the game... kinda annoying...
[12:38] <bazhang> its rated as gold/platinum in the wine appdb
[12:38] <bazhang> never had much luck with the free crossover, much better with wine tbh
[12:38] <jussi01> eah, must be doing something worng. not sure what thogh...
[12:39] <jussi01> wonder were it looks for the cd...
[12:40] <jussi01> i have a real version of crossover, and if it works with wine, it should work with crossover
[12:40] <bazhang> true; just had better luck with wine
[12:40] <bazhang> the free version is the real version afaik
[12:41] <bazhang> same problem with fallout 2 (cant find cd)
[12:41] <jussi01> bazhang: "free" version?
[12:41] <bazhang> jussi01, yep; they gave it away on one day only.
[12:42] <bazhang> full unlocked version, free
[12:42] <jussi01> ahh, yeah, thats the real version. but I wouldnt refer to it as the "free" version....
[12:42] <jussi01> you confuse people
[12:45] <bazhang> s/people/person/
[12:45] <bazhang> :)
[12:46] <jussi01> no, I meant people... ;)
[12:47] <bazhang> legal, free, non-pirated version :)
[12:47] <jussi01> it isnt a free version, its still being sold, and it was just given away for one day. 
[12:48] <topyli> i downloaded crossover and office and the gaming thing that day too, but have yet to find use for them :)
[12:48] <popey> heh
[12:49] <bazhang> tarfart is mixing versions and installing via dpkg and claims he is in dependency hell
[12:49] <topyli> free software is enough so far :)
[12:49] <bazhang> more expletives in #kubuntu
[12:52] <topyli> copying music to phone from a samba share over wifi over usb 1.0 is not very fast :(
[12:52] <topyli> usb 1.1, whatever
[12:53] <jussi01> topyli: heheh...no
[12:53] <topyli> hrm wifi claims to be 18Mb/s though
[12:53] <topyli> the usb is probably the bottleneck
[12:53] <topyli> or the phone
[12:55] <topyli> well the samba server is a wippies router too with a usb drive. that's probably not the fastest possible server either
[12:57] <topyli> i have built the slowest possible system!
[12:57] <bazhang> ugh
[13:00] <topyli> well i guess i could replace one of those links with infrared
[13:39] <bazhang> BUGabundo, hi
[13:39] <bazhang> BUGabundo, thought we agreed you would come back on Monday
[13:39] <BUGabundo> pidgin auto login
[13:40] <BUGabundo> once I started the laptop
[13:40] <BUGabundo> to give my linux class
[13:40] <BUGabundo> exiting now
[13:40] <gnomefreak> bazhang: what did he do? i work closely with him so just wondering
[13:40] <ikonia> BUGabundo's excuse of auto join does not cut it with me
[13:41] <ikonia> he stayed in the channel for over 3 hours knowing he was banned
[13:41] <bazhang> gnomefreak, advertised in a channel after being warned not to, then ban evaded to compound it
[13:41] <ikonia> gnomefreak: are you referering to BUGabundo
[13:41] <gnomefreak> ikonia: yes
[13:41] <bazhang> ikonia, actually in this case I believe him
[13:41] <gnomefreak> bazhang: thanks
[13:41] <ikonia> bazhang why did he stay in the channel for 3 hours talking knowing he was banned
[13:41] <bazhang> ikonia, ie the auto join
[13:42] <gnomefreak> what channel?
[13:42] <bazhang> ikonia, am referring to right now
[13:42] <bazhang> #1
[13:42] <ikonia> gnomefreak: he keeps making little minor foul ups, which are fine, but when he is prodded about them he gets attitude and trys to argue
[13:42] <bazhang> err +
[13:42] <ikonia> gnomefreak: he also keeps advertising random links/talks/groups in channels
[13:42] <ikonia> gnomefreak: and when he's asked to stop he plays dumb about it
[13:43] <gnomefreak> :( thats not good
[13:43] <ikonia> then tries to be clever
[13:43] <ikonia> asking if I'm a bot etc etc
[13:43] <ikonia> when he knows quite well I'm not
[13:44] <ikonia> and as you can see - makes excuses for things
[13:44] <ikonia> "my client is auto joinining" - then why did you stay in the channel for hours talking knowing you where banned
[13:44] <gnomefreak> how did he get in under a ban?
[13:45] <bazhang> bruce89's comments of a day ago make more sense in light of checking the ban tracker
[13:45] <ikonia> I did it on IP as he sometimes uses _bugaundo or bugabundu_laptop 
[13:45] <ikonia> he changed his IP 
[13:45] <ikonia> which hasn't changed for 3 weeks
[13:45] <ikonia> but on the night of the ban - changed magically 3 hours later
[13:45] <ikonia> and his client auto joined on that same night 3 hours after I'd left
[13:46] <ikonia> and he stayed talking 
[13:46] <ikonia> all a magical co-incidence 
[13:46] <ikonia> he's not dumb - he knows what he's doing
[13:46] <ikonia> infact he's far from dumb
[13:46] <bazhang> talk to him on Monday then
[13:46] <gnomefreak> that would do it, well im still on the fence with that but he is a nice guy so i had to ask
[13:47] <ikonia> gnomefreak: he's a great guy, and puts in a good ammount of effort in +1
[13:47] <ikonia> no argument there
[13:48] <gnomefreak> i will talk to him most likely monday since im only here to fix one of my branches and do email, im sure asac will have other work for me
[13:49]  * Myrtti grunts at BUGabundo
[13:50] <ikonia> Myrtti: a grunt
[13:51] <ikonia> gnomefreak: it's nothing major, he just needs to stop arguing every point with pathetic detail
[13:51] <ikonia> gnomefreak: the ban dodging has not impressed me though, as I said he's not dumb so he knows/knew what he was doing
[13:52] <gnomefreak> im sure he did. but really wish he didnt
[13:52] <Myrtti> ikonia, gnomefreak: http://www.qaiku.com/home/myrtti/show/1de12eedce7b37412ee11deb88aab3274b6c4a1c4a1/
[13:52] <gnomefreak> Myrtti: thanks
[13:55] <gnomefreak> i see pink ;) witha  few turtles
[13:57] <Myrtti> gnomefreak: roll downwards to his comments
[13:57] <Myrtti> he's full of that
[13:57] <Myrtti> there's a strong dislike of him around
[13:58] <Myrtti> hob bs ee and I have some details, but in general... well. I think his attitude in life and people in general needs a bit of adjustment
[13:58] <Myrtti> that's something that we can't cure, but still
[13:59] <gnomefreak> ok now that is not good
[14:00] <Myrtti> it's not the first time that
[14:00] <ikonia> Myrtti: is qaiku lke twitter
[14:01] <Myrtti> ikonia: it's like Jaiku pre-GoogleAppengine
[14:01] <Myrtti> ikonia: identi.ca will kick ass with the next release of laconica
[14:02] <Myrtti> it'll have the same threaded conversations like Jaiku, brightkite, facebook and qaiku
[14:03] <gnomefreak> well thst explains the bot question but not likley other things
[14:04] <ikonia> gnomefreak: what explains the bot question ?
[14:04] <Myrtti> is the bot a she, I presume
[14:04] <gnomefreak> ikonia: your away message
[14:05] <popey> Myrtti: all bots are female
[14:05] <ikonia> gnomefreak: I set that after his question
[14:05] <Myrtti> he joined in to -women last night because maco has been mentioning it on her blogpost
[14:05] <ikonia> at least I think I did 
[14:05] <Myrtti> he's creeping out maco as well
[14:06] <bazhang> heh
[14:06] <ikonia> I think I'll go and clean my car now its back from the garage and play with my new amp :)
[14:06] <popey> clean cars are overrated
[14:06] <popey> :)
[14:06] <gnomefreak> ikonia: i dont have full logs of channel and god knows i dont want to see them after what i read on the link above. at least not today, it makes me want to do something bad ;)
[14:08] <ikonia> gnomefreak: well don't - it will get sorted
[14:08] <ikonia> popey: this thing needs a clean bad 
[14:08] <bazhang> he is not nearly bad as many many others
[14:08] <bazhang> that are being given free pass after free pass ad infinitum
[14:08] <popey> bazhang: i cringe when i see his email on ubuntu lists :(
[14:09] <gnomefreak> hell i wold him sortly after i joined i wasnt there to help i was just wondering
[14:09] <popey> wondering how confrontational he's going to be before I open the mail, I'm usually not surprised
[14:09] <bazhang> popey, meet asustek and groovyorange then get back to me
[14:09] <bazhang> not to mention shadeslayer
[14:10] <popey> just because someone is more of an asshat than someone else, that doesn't diminish the asshatery of the first proponent
[14:10] <bazhang> this is way beyond that
[14:10] <popey> ok
[14:11] <bazhang> bugabundo is a jerk and was wrong, no doubt
[14:11] <bazhang> those others are serious menaces
[14:11] <gnomefreak> agreed
[14:11] <gnomefreak> i do need to get me one of those auto away for just PMs
[14:12] <bazhang> I think two days is too short tbh
[14:12] <bazhang> ie i k o n i a ' s ban
[14:12] <bazhang> but asustek/etc and groovyorange need permabans
[14:13] <gnomefreak> hes ok with waiting the 2 days
[14:13]  * gnomefreak never heard of them
[14:13] <bazhang> count yourself fortunate then
[14:13]  * gnomefreak wonders why asac is in +1 he tries to avoid chanlles outside dev channels
[14:14] <gnomefreak> spell sucks today
[14:14] <gnomefreak> ing
[14:15] <LjL> how's watchbot doing?
[14:16] <bazhang> grate!
[14:16] <popey> gnomefreak: 13:21:42 < asac_the_2nd> anyone has font issues ;)?
[14:16] <popey> 13:21:52 < asac_the_2nd> e.g. after recent upgrade
[14:16] <popey> 13:21:57 < asac_the_2nd> if so, let me know!
[14:16] <popey> ^^ thats why
[14:17] <bazhang> ubuntu member operative gone bad
[14:17] <bazhang> ban evasion!
[14:17] <LjL> any false positives at all with watchbot? if not, i think i can make it call real ops
[14:18] <bazhang> LjL, none so far ^^
[14:19] <LjL> uhm, i'm not so sure
[14:19] <LjL> [06:30] <WatchBot1> !fakeops | J-_ posted link to Photo sharing,Nudity site in #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:19] <bazhang> is aspoor giving exceptionally poor advice?
[14:19] <LjL> [06:35] <WatchBot1> !fakeops | tonyyarusso posted link to Photo sharing,Nudity site in #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:19] <LjL> these don't look good
[14:19] <LjL> unless tony and j have gone bad too ;)
[14:19] <bazhang> 'too'
[14:19] <bazhang> :/
[14:19] <LjL> like asac!
[14:19] <bazhang> riight
[14:23] <gnomefreak> popey: thanks, i know that issue all too well :)
[14:23] <popey> :)
[14:24] <popey> ditto, jaunty nearly poked my eyes out with the massive fonts today
[14:27] <gnomefreak> popey: that was 3rd upload for it as i recall
[14:29] <gnomefreak> that was PPA i think the 2 fixes were pushed to
[14:29] <LjL> ok, so, what i've done to watchbot now
[14:29] <LjL> 1) whitelist deviantart and imageshack
[14:29] <LjL> 2) not warn if a site is in the "photo sharing" category, even though it's in other "bad" categories
[14:31] <LjL> i don't have any.
[14:31] <LjL> not at all.
[14:33] <space_cadet> !ops
[14:33] <ubottu> Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu,  imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, Madpilot, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso,  PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow, nickrud, jpds, bazhang, jussi01, Flannel or ikonia!
[14:33] <ubottu> space_cadet called the ops in #ubuntu-ops ()
[14:33] <LjL> space_cadet: err, YES?
[14:33] <space_cadet> why
[14:33] <LjL> no, first question is mine
[14:33] <space_cadet> because someone was telling me to go somewhere else, when my problem is with ubuntu
[14:33] <LjL> why the HELL did you just call !ops?
[14:33] <space_cadet> not ubuntu+1
[14:34] <space_cadet> because u banned me for NO reason
[14:34] <LjL> then you know what happens if a man makes mistakes?
[14:34] <LjL> they'll probably do them again.
[14:34] <LjL> loser.
[14:34] <LjL> make jrib run out of the channel, yeah, good way to remain in there for long.
[14:34] <Gary> handbags at dawn
[14:40] <space_cadet> Help
[14:40] <mneptok> Please state the nature of the medical emergency.
[14:41] <space_cadet> Ljl has been abusing power
[14:41] <LjL> yes, you're being oppressed
[14:41] <LjL> space_cadet: what's the output of your "lsb_version -a"?
[14:42] <mneptok> I am programmed for basic channel health maintenance and monitoring tasks.
[14:42] <LjL> lsb_release -a, even
[14:42] <space_cadet> not found
[14:42] <LjL> space_cadet: try lsb_release -a, i mixed commands up
[14:43] <space_cadet> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[14:43] <space_cadet> Description:	Ubuntu 8.10
[14:43] <space_cadet> Release:	8.10
[14:43] <space_cadet> Codename:	intrepid
[14:43] <bazhang> calling ops in the -ops channel is not a good way to gain credibility of being oppressed
[14:43] <space_cadet> i was explaining to scunizi that i HAD 9.04 on my machine before and there were problems between the nvidia drivers and the x
[14:44] <space_cadet> and was asking if the 180 drivers had the same problem
[14:44] <LjL> space_cadet: so jrib misunderstood you as using alpha when you were not?
[14:44] <space_cadet> yes
[14:44] <LjL> space_cadet: and how did you react?
[14:44] <space_cadet> and I was a little rude to him because he kept telling me to go to #ubuntu+1
[14:44] <space_cadet> specifically, I told him to "butt out"
[14:45] <bazhang> quite rude
[14:45] <bazhang> in fact
[14:45] <LjL> you mean this
[14:45] <space_cadet> because he hadn't read the context of the conversation
[14:45] <LjL> [15:28:49] <jrib> !jaunty | space_cadet
[14:45] <LjL> [15:28:49] <ubottu> space_cadet: Jaunty Jackalope is the codename for Ubuntu 9.04, due April 2009, Schedule in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule - Lots of breakage between now and April - Please join #ubuntu+1 for discussion and support.
[14:45] <LjL> [15:29:07] <space_cadet> askthebot > jrib
[14:45] <LjL> and this
[14:45] <LjL> [15:29:35] <jrib> space_cadet: jaunty help in #ubuntu+1, not here
[14:45] <LjL> [15:29:45] <space_cadet> jrib butt out
[14:45] <LjL> ?
[14:45] <space_cadet> yes that.
[14:46] <LjL> and were those the only instances where jrib told you to go to #ubuntu+1?
[14:46] <space_cadet> it's interesting how they flame you for just mentioning 9x
[14:46] <space_cadet> but never get into trouble
[14:46] <bazhang> its the wrong channel
[14:46] <bazhang> they are not 'flaming you'
[14:47] <space_cadet> yes they are, because my issue at hand was not with 9.04 it is with 8.10
[14:47] <space_cadet> so it is irrelevant 
[14:47] <LjL> space_cadet, were those the only instances where jrib told you to go to #ubuntu+1?
[14:47] <space_cadet> yes
[14:48] <LjL> so in essence
[14:48] <LjL> he misunderstood you
[14:48] <LjL> and instead of explaining that to him
[14:48] <LjL> you first gave him an unwarranted !askthebot
[14:48] <LjL> and then told him to "butt out" in second instance
[14:48] <LjL> well, i need to be off right now, but i'm sure the other ops here can deal with the issue
[14:50] <space_cadet> might I present this
[14:50] <space_cadet> <space_cadet> Because I know that when I was back in the dev chain and 9.04 installed automagically, i didn't have nvidia drivers because they conflicted with X...  Has that problem been resolved?
[14:50] <space_cadet> <jrib> !jaunty | space_cadet
[14:51] <space_cadet> if anyone was following the conversation like jrib appeared to be, they would have understood the context that sentence was written in.
[14:51] <space_cadet> ^^ this was directly after scunizi told  me to add the medibuntu repo's and install the 180 drivers for nvidia
[14:52] <bazhang> space_cadet, I saw the whole thing live. no need for 'context'
[14:52] <bazhang> space_cadet, you were unnecessarily rude.
[14:52] <space_cadet> in my defence so was jrib
[14:52] <bazhang> space_cadet, not so.
[14:53] <bazhang> space_cadet, the number of people talking about jaunty in the wrong channel these days is astounding.
[14:53] <gnomefreak> with as many people on IRC there is bound to be misunderstandings since not everyone speaks english as a first language. but im not in this
[14:53] <bazhang> all of us immediately suggest that channel.
[14:53] <space_cadet> exactly, 
[14:54] <space_cadet> that's what's rude
[14:54] <bazhang> not out of rudeness.
[14:54] <bazhang> No.
[14:54] <space_cadet> it appears to be rude from my end, 
[14:54] <space_cadet> that is why i responded the way I did
[14:54] <bazhang> you are making this  a big issue.
[14:54] <bazhang> when it need not be.
[14:55] <bazhang> you mention jaunty, you will get that link
[14:55] <bazhang> that is the same for every_one.
[14:55] <space_cadet> if I am taking too much of your time, just tell me and I will leave, although i would like to resolve this, and will apologize to jrib 
[14:55] <space_cadet> I understand I was rude
[14:55] <bazhang> just to clarify, he was not rude.
[14:55] <bazhang> we all do that to every one who mentions jaunty in the wrong channel.
[14:56] <bazhang> practically half of what I say in #kubuntu and #ubuntu are that.
[14:56] <bazhang> it is almost exactly one month from final release.
[14:56] <space_cadet> i agree, however, it may appear rude to someone that is not talking about jaunty per se, but just mentioning it because it relates.
[14:56] <space_cadet> but no, jrib was not being rude.
[14:56] <bazhang> heh
[14:56] <space_cadet> i was
[14:57] <bazhang> then you need to grow much thicker skin, because busy channels such as ubuntu, will all the crosstalk can lead to mis-understandings.
[14:57] <space_cadet> yes.
[14:57] <bazhang> okay great
[15:01] <bazhang> space_cadet, did you re join ubuntu?
[15:04] <space_cadet> yep.    thx
[15:04] <space_cadet> and i apologized to jrib 
[15:04]  * mneptok deactivates
[15:04] <bazhang> okay then someone must have removed your ban.
[15:04] <bazhang> just checking :)
[15:05] <mneptok> umm ...
[15:05] <mneptok> 10:35 -!- space_cadet [n=space_ca@71.238.149.33] has left #ubuntu-ops [requested by LjL: "You should have known better, bye"]
[15:05] <bazhang> no?
[15:05] <mneptok> 10:41 -!- space_cadet [n=space_ca@c-98-209-16-81.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-ops
[15:06] <mneptok> why the 2 different hostmasks?
[15:06] <space_cadet> umm...
[15:06] <bazhang> ban evasion?
[15:07] <bazhang> while in -ops
[15:07] <space_cadet> guilty.
[15:08] <mneptok> i detect elevated stress levels.
[15:08] <space_cadet> not any more actually.
[15:08] <space_cadet> my quarrels have been resolved.
[15:08] <mneptok> i was speaking for myself. ban evasion makes me really, really unhappy.
[15:09] <space_cadet> although if further action is needed, i will not evade again.
[15:09] <mneptok> you will not evade again regardless of what is needed.
[15:09] <space_cadet> that's what I meant to say.
[15:09] <mneptok> and yeah, THAT is unfriendly. jrib got nothin' on me.
[15:10] <space_cadet> well, do what you think is best. (not sarcasm)
[15:11] <mneptok> all of us use Ubuntu IRC namespace solely at the discretion of the greater community. there are some soft rules about what topics get discussed in what channels.
[15:11] <mneptok> there are some much, MUCH harder rules about ban evasion.
[15:12] <mneptok> these things are not enforced at whim. they serve a purpose. and no one is above the rules simply because of how they feel at the time.
[15:12] <mneptok> twice now you have shoved the rules aside due to personal exigency. that's some stellar community focus.
[15:12] <mneptok> that though in your mind is all the action i am going to take.
[15:13] <mneptok> *thought
[15:14] <space_cadet> is there a link somewhere to the full rules?
[15:14] <mneptok> !coc
[15:14] <ubottu> The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[15:14] <space_cadet> ty
[15:14] <mneptok> i'd also like you to look at this channel log
[15:14] <mneptok> (sorry for the mini-flood):
[15:15] <mneptok> 10:35 -!- mode/#ubuntu-ops [+o LjL] by ChanServ
[15:15] <mneptok> 10:35 -!- mode/#ubuntu-ops [+b *!*@71.238.149.33] by LjL
[15:15] <mneptok> 10:35 -!- space_cadet [n=space_ca@71.238.149.33] has left #ubuntu-ops [requested by LjL: "You should have known better, bye"]
[15:15] <mneptok> 10:35 -!- mode/#ubuntu-ops [-o LjL] by LjL
[15:15] <mneptok> 10:39 -!- mode/#ubuntu-ops [+o LjL] by ChanServ
[15:15] <mneptok> 10:39 -!- mode/#ubuntu-ops [-b *!*@71.238.149.33] by LjL
[15:16] <mneptok> so you see, your evasion wasn't even necessary.
[15:16] <space_cadet> lol
[15:18] <space_cadet> well again, ty 4 the info, 
[15:18] <space_cadet> hopefully my 8.10 problem is resolved, 
[15:19] <space_cadet> but I must reboot to find out....   (I also bookmarked the nfo u gave me)
[15:19] <mneptok> i think that's the least of your issues with Ubuntu at this point.
[15:19] <space_cadet> i think the issues presented have nothing to do with ubuntu
[15:19] <space_cadet> they have to do with anger management
[15:19] <mneptok> then you need to read the Code Of Conduct more carefully.
[15:20] <space_cadet> bookmarked it. will read it upon reboot.
[15:20] <mneptok> Ubuntu ain't just ones and zeroes.
[15:20] <space_cadet> sorry for all the drama guys.
[15:21] <bazhang> masterfully done good sir
[15:21] <mneptok> dum dee dee
[15:21] <bazhang> I had no idea what to do there.
[15:23] <mneptok> i couldn't find my lighter, so ...
[15:24] <bazhang> haha
[15:58] <bazhang> wild
[16:03] <bazhang> okay that was insane
[16:38] <gnomefreak> #ot has a chance of going very very bad
[16:43] <bazhang> I left for 5 minutes and that happens :/
[16:44] <gnomefreak> its all good im there and watching while i cant do much else at this time
[16:44] <bazhang> ikanobbori may need a wake-up call
[16:44] <bazhang> some very unpleasant language from him
[16:46] <gnomefreak> i agree 
[16:46] <gnomefreak> i didnt see that part until i scrolled
[16:58] <gnomefreak> go figure i stopped watching because they were being good than that happens.
[16:59] <bazhang> its mostly just ikanobori
[16:59] <bazhang> groovyorange and icebuntu/etc have stayed away
[17:12] <jussi01> ikonia: you around?
[17:12] <bazhang> heh
[17:13] <ikonia> jussi01: yes, here I am 
[17:14]  * jussi01 points ikonia to pm...
[17:14] <bazhang> enough trollwatching in -ot for me, night all
[17:15] <gnomefreak> bazhang: night
[18:15] <LjL> i'm around now
[18:19] <LjL> was anyone watching -ot when Cobalt left with an expletive?
[18:19] <LjL> was he justified in doing so?
[18:43] <LjL> meh, emma flooding #ubuntu
[18:43] <LjL> She Should Know Better
[18:50] <JosefAssad> so, I'm connected to freenode on port 8001 and I'm still not allowed in #ubuntu
[18:55] <LjL> yes you are
[18:56] <LjL> when the bot told you to "please wait a couple of minutes"
[18:56] <LjL> it meant that you had to kindly wait a couple of minutes
[18:56] <LjL> now, it's just told you that you can presently rejoin
[18:58] <JosefAssad> The meaning of wait a couple of minutes wasn't something I'd been having trouble interpreting.
[18:59] <JosefAssad> I did ask the bot to test me quite a while ago to no avail. I see it works now.
[19:00] <LjL> JosefAssad: i see. well it's worked this time
[19:00] <LjL> JosefAssad: sorry if there's been any inconvenience
[19:01] <JosefAssad> I hope the rest of your community are smarter than me. Cheers.
[19:04] <ubottu> Gnea called the ops in #ubuntu (hotgirlcandy9023)
[19:17] <Gary> klined
[19:17] <LjL> yeah, the viole(n)t highlights in several channels hinted to that fact
[19:25] <LjL> factoid proposal: !list is <reply> No, this is not THAT kind of channel. Move along.
[19:42] <mneptok> counter proposal: alias it to !mirrors
[19:43] <LjL> counter proposal: just auto-ban the people using it
[19:43] <LjL> especially if they come from .it
[19:43] <mneptok> agreed. next item?
[19:43] <LjL> the -it bot actually says "this is not a file sharing channel" if you do !list...
[19:47] <mneptok> does it whisper it, snake-like, with a Sicilian accent?
[20:10] <jussi01> mneptok: stop airing your fantasies :P
[20:43] <LjL> mneptok: imma not shorre whatte yerre implayinga
[21:14] <ikonia> I see BUGabundo is trying yet another IP address
[23:43] <Flannel> ubottu: tell Roozbeh|Away about away
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