2008/12/05/#ubuntu-irc.txt

[03:11] <Adola> Hello?
[03:15] <Adola> Can someone PLEASE help meh?
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[05:38] <kes0> Halå varför banna mig i ubuntu-se ?
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[10:12] <polatov> i am sorry
[10:12] <bazhang> polatov, #ubuntu-women ???
[10:12] <Myrtti> what are you up to again?
[10:12] <polatov> but
[10:12] <bazhang> no but
[10:13] <bazhang> you were warned not to go there
[10:13] <polatov> do you spek russian?
[10:13] <bazhang> yes
[10:13] <polatov> can i speak on russian?
[10:13] <bazhang> yes
[10:13] <polatov> я не призывал чтобы все шли туда
[10:14] <polatov> я сказал что ubuntu становится mainstream
[10:14] <polatov> Nastya сказала, что mainstream это когда женщины будут пользоваться ubuntu
[10:14] <polatov>  ясказал что уже есть канал ubuntu-women
[10:14] <polatov>  я сказал что уже есть канал ubuntu-women
[10:15] <polatov> it is all
[10:15] <bazhang> Вы были предупреждены, не идти туда
[10:15] <polatov> bazhang, я не ходил туда!
[10:15] <polatov> посмотрите logs
[10:15] <Myrtti> we have a web page you know
[10:15] <Myrtti> you need not to mention the channel
[10:15] <bazhang> polatov, I can read russian.
[10:16] <polatov> Myrtti, look logs please
[10:16] <Myrtti> polatov: [12:14] < polatov>  я сказал что уже есть канал ubuntu-women
[10:16] <polatov> bazhang, я не ходил на этот канал, был там только один раз
[10:16] <Myrtti> you don't need to mention the #ubuntu-women channel
[10:16] <Myrtti> we have webpages
[10:17] <bazhang> polatov, dont go there, dont talk about others going there.
[10:17] <polatov> bazhang, ok
[10:17] <polatov> but why i can not speak about this channel?
[10:17] <bazhang> не туда
[10:18] <polatov> what is "mention"?
[10:18] <elkbuntu> polatov, i think Myrtti want you to go read website, rather than talk about bad things in irc
[10:18] <bazhang> не собираюсь говорить о там
[10:18] <bazhang> if you do, that is +b
[10:18] <polatov> я не говорил bads things!
[10:19] <polatov> я не говорил bad things!
[10:19] <bazhang> не претендую. Вы плохие вещи перед
[10:19] <polatov> я говорил что linux становится очень популярным, и это очень плохо!
[10:20] <polatov> пользователь Nastya сказала, что он еще не такой популярный, потому что мало женщин его используют
[10:20] <bazhang> У вас нет оснований ехать туда никогда.
[10:20] <polatov> bazhang, я не ходил туда!
[10:20] <polatov> я сказал пользователю Nastya что уже есть женский канал!
[10:21] <polatov> вы меня не понимаете! (((
[10:21] <bazhang> сексуальные домогательства никогда OK
[10:21] <polatov> you don't understand me!
[10:21] <bazhang> I do.
[10:21] <bazhang> You
[10:21] <bazhang> KukMan
[10:21] <bazhang> Zloy
[10:21] <polatov> bazhang, я не домогался сексуально!
[10:21] <polatov> почему вы такое говорите?!
[10:22] <polatov> единственное за что вы меня можете to ban - только за flood
[10:22] <bazhang> Вы думаете это смешно шутить.
[10:22] <polatov> i am flood - it is so
[10:22] <polatov> bazhang, я не шучу!
[10:22] <polatov> ok
[10:22] <polatov> you can not unban me?
[10:23] <bazhang> женщины там не думаю, что это забавно и приятно.
[10:23] <polatov> bazhang, когда меня предупредили, я не заходил на тот канал
[10:23] <polatov> разве это не так?!
[10:23] <bazhang> они ненавидят его.
[10:24] <polatov> bazhang, ответьте на мой вопрос пожалуйста
[10:24] <polatov> разве я заходил на женский канал второй раз?
[10:25] <bazhang> Вы zloy и kukman думаю, что это смешно, чтобы перейти туда.
[10:25] <polatov> bazhang,  разве я заходил на женский канал второй раз?
[10:26] <bazhang> Это не смешно. Не на всех.
[10:26] <polatov> bazhang, please
[10:26] <bazhang> KukMan находится рядом.
[10:26] <polatov> say me
[10:26] <bazhang> zloy +b
[10:26] <bazhang> you +b
[10:27] <bazhang> KukMan soon +b
[10:27] <polatov> i was on women channel second time?
[10:27] <bazhang> mau_ +b
[10:27] <bazhang> everyone who goes there will be +b
[10:28] <bazhang> dont go there.
[10:28] <polatov> i don't want to be on that channel
[10:28] <bazhang> YOU have NO reason to go there, ever.
[10:28] <polatov> i dont say bad things about that channel
[10:28] <bazhang> dont talk about that channel
[10:28] <Myrtti> polatov: don't say about it at all
[10:29] <Myrtti> polatov: we have webpages
[10:29] <Myrtti> http://ubuntu-women.org/
[10:29] <polatov> i saidbad things about all linux distro!!!!
[10:29] <Myrtti> if you are discussing about ubuntu and women, use that link
[10:29] <bazhang> не говорим о том, что канал
[10:29] <polatov> Nastya ask me - why?
[10:29] <polatov> i said
[10:29] <Myrtti> you don't need to say a thing about #ubuntu-women irc channel
[10:30] <bazhang> you can private message her.
[10:30] <polatov> "because it is mainstream"
[10:30] <bazhang> сексуальные домогательства не OK
[10:30] <polatov> nastya said me
[10:31] <bazhang> говорят анекдоты о сексе не OK
[10:31] <polatov> mainstream will be if linux use women
[10:31] <bazhang> that is +b
[10:31] <elkbuntu> polatov, saying bad things breaks code of conduct.
[10:31] <elkbuntu> !codeofconduct
[10:31] <ubottu> The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[10:31] <bazhang> polatov, stop now.
[10:31] <polatov> i said we have women channel
[10:32] <Myrtti> why?!
[10:32] <Myrtti> you don't need to say it
[10:32] <bazhang> -ru-women
[10:32] <polatov> Myrtti, why? where is rules?
[10:32] <polatov> that rule?!!
[10:33] <bazhang> не спорить об этом
[10:33] <bazhang> +b will be longer.
[10:33] <polatov> where is that rule where written about women-channel
[10:33] <polatov> bazhang, OK
[10:33] <bazhang> polatov, stop.
[10:33] <bazhang> dont argue about this any more.
[10:33] <polatov> я не буду об этом спорить
[10:34] <polatov> я не буду говорить об этом канале даже своей маме
[10:34] <Myrtti> polatov: this not a rule
[10:34] <Myrtti> polatov: it's a polite request
[10:34] <Myrtti> polatov: please do not mention #ubuntu-women on any channels.
[10:34] <polatov> but i think your ban it is not right
[10:34] <Myrtti> polatov: if someone wants to join the channel, they'll find it themself
[10:34] <polatov> Myrtti, what is "mention"?
[10:34] <bazhang> Это особая ситуация, потому что от сексуальных домогательств
[10:35] <polatov> bazhang, я понял, я согласен. это правильно
[10:35] <Myrtti> polatov: упомянуть
[10:35] <polatov> bazhang, но прежде чем to ban me, вы должны были меня предупредить, чтобы я не говорил об этом канале
[10:36] <polatov> Myrtti, thank you
[10:36] <Myrtti> --> bbl
[10:36] <polatov> Myrtti, bbl?
[10:37] <Myrtti> be back later
[10:37] <polatov> and what about me?
[10:39] <bazhang> не возвращаться к этому каналу
[10:39] <polatov> bazhang, и не говорить, правильно?
[10:39] <bazhang> никогда туда
[10:39] <bazhang> no.
[10:40] <bazhang> #ubuntu-women
[10:40] <polatov> and dont talk about women-channel
[10:40] <bazhang> correct
[10:40] <polatov> OK
[10:40] <polatov> no problem
[10:40] <bazhang> tell them DONT GO THERE
[10:40] <bazhang> or will be +b
[10:40] <polatov> bazhang, ok
[10:41] <polatov> but you when you banned me
[10:41] <polatov> it was not right (
[10:41] <polatov> не было предупреждение
[10:41] <polatov> bazhang,  i am tell them DONT GO THERE
[10:41] <bazhang> Вы понимаете полностью сейчас?
[10:41] <polatov> no problem
[10:42] <polatov> bazhang, yes
[10:42] <polatov> i am understand you
[10:42] <polatov> now
[10:42] <bazhang> не недоразумение?
[10:42] <bazhang> you go there = +b
[10:43] <polatov> yes
[10:43] <bazhang> OK
[10:43] <bazhang> последний шанс
[10:43] <polatov> stop!
[10:43] <polatov> please
[10:43] <bazhang> next time is no -b
[10:44] <polatov> i am sorry, but i think
[10:44] <polatov> your ban is not correctly
[10:44] <polatov> your must to ПРЕДУПРЕДИТЬ me, then ban
[10:45] <bazhang> Я даю вам последний шанс.
[10:45] <polatov> bazhang, я считаю вы не правы
[10:45] <polatov> вы говорите как Stalin
[10:46] <bazhang> После этого, постоянные
[10:46] <bazhang> no.
[10:46] <bazhang> now is last chance.
[10:46] <bazhang> any more problems after now, is permanent.
[10:46] <polatov> bazhang, я обещаю не говорить об этом канале
[10:46] <polatov> не говорить плохо об этом канале, etc
[10:47] <polatov> я обещаю вести себя как good boy
[10:47] <polatov> но это не правильно "last chance"
[10:47] <polatov> это нарушает мои права
[10:47] <bazhang> ok
[10:47] <polatov> нельзя так говорить
[10:48] <bazhang> you are now able to /join
[10:48] <polatov> можно быть ВЕЖЛИВЫМ
[10:48] <polatov> спасибо
[10:48] <polatov> thank you
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[14:57] <[NikO]> LjL, ping :)
[15:42] <LjL> [NikO]: pong
[15:42] <[NikO]> LjL, sorry for hl ...
[16:03] <LjL> kennethgt: i know who magicfab is. i'm just saying that typing "/whois magicfab" will show that he's online
[16:03] <LjL> typing "/whois magicfab magicfab" will also show that he's currently active
[16:04] <LjL> and typing "/query magicfab" will let you send messages to him
[16:04] <LjL> no need to ask in #ubuntu whether someone has seen him
[16:04] <kennethgt> LjL, thanks
[16:05] <kennethgt> LjL, excuse the inconvenience
[16:05] <LjL> no problem
[16:07] <Myrtti> I feel so old and addicted to IRC
[16:12] <bazhang> Escsun, _kamaz_ was in #ubuntu-women today, after being told not to go there
[16:13] <bazhang> Escsun, he was warned that it would be +b if he did so
[16:13] <Escsun> bazhang, aaa ban kamaz ?
[16:14] <Escsun> bazhang, -> _kamaz_2
[16:14] <bazhang> Вы были предупреждены, не пойти на этот канал. _kamaz_2
[16:15] <bazhang>  _kamaz_ (n=faraonxg@91.196.7.26) has joined #ubuntu-women
[16:15] <bazhang> <_kamaz_> Здравствуйте о прекрасная половина человечества!!!!
[16:15] <bazhang> <_kamaz_> эээ.......меня кто нибудь слышит?
[16:16] <_kamaz_2> этого нельзя было делать?
[16:16] <Escsun> _kamaz_2, он по англиски говорит
[16:16] <bazhang> после того, как я предупреждал вас не идти
[16:17] <bazhang> одна неделя + B
[16:17] <_kamaz_2> не помню чтобы меня ктото предупреждал, но если это было запрещено то извиняюсь
[16:18] <bazhang> видеть вас на следующей неделе. мы можем говорить в то время.
[16:18] <Escsun> bazhang, но извенился так что прости ему ...
[16:19] <kennethgt> lol
[16:19] <bazhang> Escsun, anyone enters that channel is +b
[16:19] <_kamaz_2> ребят, да что я плохого сделал??? я никого не оскорбил, не обидел
[16:19] <Escsun> bazhang, a ...
[16:20] <bazhang> _kamaz_2, видеть вас на следующей неделе
[16:20] <_kamaz_2> ну на первый раз то можно же простить
[16:23] <A4Tech> hm.. And what I miss?
[16:23] <A4Tech> :)
[16:24] <JMS32> =)
[16:24] <bazhang> A4Tech, _kamaz_2 and all the rest were warned not to go into #ubuntu-women and harass the users there.
[16:25] <bazhang> A4Tech, but he did so anyway.
[16:25] <bazhang> A4Tech, it is a one week ban.
[16:25] <A4Tech> understand
[16:29] <mau_> <A4Tech Приветствую. Можете обьяснить, почему нельзя на тот канал заходить? Я не знаю, может принято во фринод-сети, что на русскоязычном канале оператор не говорит на русском, но не вижу взаимосвязи с заходом на один канал с вопросом "как дела?" и баном на д
[16:29] <mau_> ругом.
[16:29] <A4Tech> mau_ дело в том, что недавно был инцендент
[16:30] <A4Tech> и теперь лучше туда не заходить :)
[16:30] <Escsun> mau_, тот канал для девушек (#ubuntu-women) ,а так как там строго тока девушки туда и не надо даже заходить
[16:30] <mau_> а не девушкам-ли решать, кому заходить, кому нет??
[16:31] <mau_> или в этой сети насратьт на общие правила ирк?
[16:31] <A4Tech> mau_ объясни это бажангу
[16:31] <Escsun> mau_, в каждом канале есть свои правила
[16:31] <mau_> <Escsun> это ясно.
[16:32] <mau_> <A4Tech> вот как ему обьяснить, если он не говорит на русском?
[16:32] <Escsun> mau_, по англиски
[16:32] <mau_> и почему он оператор на русском канале?
[16:33] <mau_> <Escsun> а если я не знаю английского на таком уровне? как, впрочем, большинство канала #ubuntu-ru
[16:33] <A4Tech> mau_ так
[16:33] <A4Tech> теперь слушай что я те говорю
[16:33] <A4Tech> и не перебивай
[16:33] <A4Tech> 1. это канал девушек
[16:34] <A4Tech> 2. недавно туда заходили люди и спамили
[16:34] <A4Tech> 3. некоторые получили бан на всем фриноде
[16:34] <A4Tech> 4. туда часто шляются спамить
[16:34] <A4Tech> 5. туда часто шляются спамить и не только туда именно блин с нашего канала
[16:35] <A4Tech> 6. поэтому администрация фриноды сделаит на нашим каналом
[16:35] <A4Tech> 7. не стоит спорить с ними
[16:35] <JMS32> повтори 6ой пункт...
[16:36] <A4Tech> следит
[16:36] <A4Tech> )
[16:36] <JMS32> ок =)
[16:38] <mau_> понял, в чём виноват был я, когда схватил бан без предупреждения? Почему нет предупреждения в топиках обоих каналов??  Почему меня банит человек, который не разобрался в ситуации, но мотивирует это 'сэксуальным домогательством', хотя я, зайдя на канал, ни
[16:38] <mau_>  слова не написал и вышел?? Почему бан я не могу писать в канал, хотя бан снят, но * #ubuntu-ru :Cannot send to channel (с) ?
[16:38] <A4Tech> бан на убунту ру не снят)
[16:39] <mau_> <bazhang> you can /join #ubuntu-ru
[16:39] <mau_> <bazhang> you are -b now
[16:39] <mau_> <mau_> спасибо
[16:39] <mau_> из лога
[16:40] <A4Tech> бан - не снят
[16:40] <mau_> а как обьяснить лог тогда??
[16:40] <A4Tech> bazhang, you not unban mau_
[16:40] <bazhang> A4Tech, yes I did
[16:41] <bazhang> A4Tech, he is in there now.
[16:41] <A4Tech> bazhang why is it I said that you removed?
[16:41] <bazhang> A4Tech, he did not know the situation.
[16:41] <bazhang> A4Tech, so it was my error.
[16:42] <bazhang> A4Tech, he did not spam there.
[16:42] <mau_> ладно, разбирайтесь сами..
[16:43] <bazhang> <dmay> question is we want create channel 'ubuntu-blackjack-and-hookers
[16:43] <A4Tech> bandzai_, Let us agree with you that in such cases will call me rather than the court itself
[16:44] <A4Tech> still it is Russian channel
[16:44] <A4Tech> oh... sorry
[16:44] <A4Tech> bazhang ^
[16:44] <bazhang> A4Tech, call you? you were not around.
[16:45] <A4Tech> I did not have the channel?
[16:45] <bazhang> you were not in the channel at that time, no.
[16:45] <bazhang> there were NO operators in that channel except me.
[16:46] <bazhang> going into -women and spamming/making sex jokes is NEVER ok.
[16:46] <bazhang> and the users in -ru need to understand this clearly.
[16:48] <bazhang> сексуальные домогательства никогда OK
[16:48] <A4Tech> Well then for the future, the first thing to call me or anyone out of the operators of the channel, we do explain that they do. I think your task in the event of a conflict ban them on the channel where they behave badly, and then tell us
[16:48] <A4Tech> bazhang I understand you
[16:48] <bazhang> I am not an operator in -women
[16:48] <bazhang> I am in -ru
[16:49] <bazhang> they have been told several times not to do that.
[16:49] <A4Tech> Then call gary
[16:50] <bazhang> zloy, and KuKman think it is a funny joke still.
[16:50] <bazhang> and that they did nothing wrong.
[16:50] <A4Tech> Yes, they understand
[16:50] <bazhang> polatov has agreed not to return, and understands what he did is wrong.
[16:50] <bazhang> no.
[16:50] <bazhang> they are still talking like it is a funny joke.
[16:51] <A4Tech> but not on our same channel
[16:51] <A4Tech> to solve problems where they are
[16:51] <LjL> no, using an #ubuntu* channel for harassing another channel is not acceptable. the operators of that channel must make that very clear.
[16:53] <A4Tech> understand, I do not like the operator of all channels
[16:53] <bazhang> A4Tech, the problems are from -ru; they have not been taken care of there.
[16:53] <bazhang> it happened again TODAY.
[16:53] <LjL> это не приемлемо для использования Ubuntu канал преследовать другого канала. Это является обязанностью операторов, чтобы остановить, что поведение, когда они заметили.
[16:54] <bazhang> after repeated warnings.
[16:55] <A4Tech> 	
[16:55] <A4Tech> just if people on our channel behaves correctly, I do not see the logic block it wherever we can
[16:55] <LjL> if people on your channel talk about trolling another channel, that must be stopped.
[16:56] <A4Tech> stop it where it violates rules
[16:56] <bazhang> in -ru
[16:56] <bazhang> that is where it violates rules.
[16:56] <A4Tech> I prevent breaches on the canal ubuntu-ru
[16:56] <LjL> saying
[16:56] <bazhang> planning on attacking another channel comes from -ru
[16:56] <LjL> "let's go troll another channel"
[16:57] <LjL> violates rules.
[16:57] <bazhang> A4Tech, planning in -ru is a breach in -ru
[16:57] <A4Tech> bazhang I have these people immediately blocked
[16:58] <A4Tech> where you have the information that the zone ru in the entire blame?
[16:58] <A4Tech> you translate what people write?
[16:59] <bazhang> A4Tech, why did those users go into -women and make those comments? and then joke about it as it was happening and afterwards?
[17:00] <A4Tech> I myself went out there for one name
[17:00] <bazhang> KukMan changing his name to KukWoman as he was asking to be unbanned?
[17:00] <A4Tech> Girls and linux strange things:)
[17:00] <bazhang> its not funny.
[17:01] <A4Tech> I am not talking about kukman
[17:01] <bazhang> <A4Tech> Girls and linux strange things:) <--not funny
[17:02] <A4Tech> personally for me strange that girls are attracted to linux
[17:03] <A4Tech> and for the sake of interest, too, have talked with them
[17:03] <Myrtti> personally for me strange that little boys are attracted to linux
[17:03] <Myrtti> little boys obviously, since they don't know how to behave
[17:03] <A4Tech> Myrtti I am for them not to answer
[17:04] <bazhang> right. which I need to take action there.
[17:05] <Myrtti> no really, we should all be using Windows
[17:05] <Myrtti> Linux is this marginal thing that strange people use
[17:05] <Myrtti> it's really ridiculous
[17:05] <Myrtti> What does Linux have that Windows doesn't?
[17:05] <Myrtti> silly
[17:06] <Myrtti> or Macs for that matter!
[17:06] <A4Tech> Myrtti I ubuntu in 1000 times better windows
[17:07] <Myrtti> A4Tech: feel free to see the light why women are attracted to Linux
[17:07] <Myrtti> TADAH!
[17:08] <A4Tech> Well, yes, it was good. but for me personally is a great rarity
[17:09] <Myrtti> let me put it this way. There's some very precious flowers, that are protected, their place of growth is held as a secret by authorities so nobody goes to gawk at the plant, tear it from the roots, stomp the surroundings and kill the plant
[17:09] <Myrtti> beautiful orchids, deep inside rainforests.
[17:10] <A4Tech> I hope me something to interest you can go to the channel? certainly not start talking about acquaintance, etc. =)
[17:10] <Myrtti> if the plant is left alone, it has a chance to grow, to pollinate, to spread
[17:11] <A4Tech> Myrtti oO
[17:11] <Myrtti> those who are genuinely intrested, will find their way in, learn about the plant first from books, webpages etc
[17:11] <Myrtti> and not go poking in, shouting, jumping, breaking the rules
[17:12] <Myrtti> I'm not saying it's forbidden to go look, to talk, to help the plant grow and spread
[17:12] <Myrtti> but it has to be done carefully.
[17:13] <Myrtti> Sadly, doing it the right way seems to be really really difficult for most
[17:13] <A4Tech> You speaker? =)
[17:14] <A4Tech> you have a question, as if reading from a sheet =)
[17:14] <Myrtti> question?
[17:14] <A4Tech> no..
[17:15] <A4Tech> speak
[17:15] <A4Tech> fu*ng translate.google.ru =)
[17:16] <Myrtti> no, it's not a speech, I'm just trying to explain it to you as simply as I can
[17:16] <A4Tech> you get =)
[17:17] <A4Tech> If you are using simpler words in his conversation
[17:17] <A4Tech> it would be easier to talk:)
[17:18] <Myrtti> A4Tech: if you don't know how to speak English, you have no business in #ubuntu-women anyway.
[17:18] <Myrtti> A4Tech: it's an English-speaking channel
[17:18] <Myrtti> A4Tech: the people there don't want to be treated like animals in a zoo.
[17:19] <A4Tech> what in English is itself
[17:20] <^A^kira> Myrtti: excuse me for interruption but... u treat animals in a zoo? Doesn't it mean to do that? O.o
[17:21] <Myrtti> ^A^kira: zoo's aren't actually meant to be places for animal exhibition
[17:21] <Myrtti> ^A^kira: they're ment to preserve animal species
[17:21] <Myrtti> atleast nowadays
[17:22] <Myrtti> ^A^kira: treated like animals in a zoo = people come to eat peanuts, point at finger, look at gaged animals
[17:22] <Pici> s/gaged/caged/
[17:22] <A4Tech> =)))
[17:22] <^A^kira> huh, thats not treating... thats only a show for a ppl
[17:22] <A4Tech> this is all for education first and foremost
[17:23] <bazhang> ^A^kira, are you an operator in ubuntu-ru?
[17:23] <Myrtti> Pici: thanks, my mom is just calling
[17:23] <Myrtti> Pici: she has gotten a CAT...
[17:23] <Myrtti> o___O
[17:23] <^A^kira> bazhang: no, im just curious cuz i worried about what happens in thats channel
[17:23] <Pici> Myrtti: Guess she can't babysit the cavys anymore then, right?
[17:24] <^A^kira> in ubuntu-ru i mean
[17:24] <Myrtti> Pici: they're in their cage anyway
[17:25] <bazhang> it seems all of -ru is joining here
[17:25] <JMS32> =)
[17:25] <^A^kira> not all, only who knows english and care about th channel
[17:25] <^A^kira> xD
[17:25] <JMS32> Right =)
[17:26] <bazhang> сексуальные домогательства никогда OK
[17:26] <^A^kira> bazhang: huh?
[17:26] <A4Tech> bazhang curiosity =)
[17:26] <^A^kira> O.o
[17:26] <JMS32> ты о чем?
[17:26] <bazhang> users in -ru
[17:28] <^A^kira> what exactly do u mean when u say "sexual harassment is never good"
[17:28] <^A^kira> ?
[17:28] <bazhang> that is what users from -ru were doing.
[17:29] <A4Tech> ^A^kira до бап наши добрались)
[17:29] <^A^kira> A4Tech: до их бап? О,о
[17:29] <A4Tech> ^A^kira да, до америкосских
[17:29] <A4Tech> ^A^kira знакомства секс и т.д.
[17:30] <A4Tech> ^A^kira куча народу забанено уже из за этого
[17:30] <^A^kira> bazhang: you know, here is the difference between russian and american mentality (and european)
[17:30] <bazhang> does not matter.
[17:30] <JMS32> and?
[17:30] <^A^kira> the stuff u call "sexual harassment" for us it's not more than a small talk
[17:30] <bazhang> and that is the problem.
[17:31] <Myrtti> it's not a place for small talk!
[17:31] <^A^kira> ofcourse im not speaking about "hey babe lets fu&k"... thats kind of ppl not pleased nevermatter where
[17:31] <bazhang> this is NOT about free speech
[17:31] <Myrtti> 1) if you don't know English, don't go there
[17:31] <A4Tech> bazhang it is simply because we perceive you to another
[17:31] <Pici> Different cultures have different expectations, and all of us need to be aware of that.
[17:31] <Myrtti> 2) if you don't have anything productive to say there, don't go there
[17:32] <^A^kira> Pici: u right
[17:32] <bazhang> dont make those jokes there.
[17:32] <bazhang> its not funny.
[17:32] <JMS32> Нашли повод ругаться, блин...
[17:32] <[Green]> ниачем
[17:33] <JMS32> Вот и я о том же.
[17:33] <^A^kira> well... my opinion - we should be polite to each other
[17:33] <JMS32> Yes, you are absolutly right.
[17:33] <^A^kira> not to kick/ban every1 just for what they say
[17:33] <bazhang> yep
[17:33] <^A^kira> explain ONCE
[17:34] <^A^kira> no need for more
[17:34] <bazhang> and that means dont go in there and make that kind of 'small talk'
[17:34] <^A^kira> and if it doesn't help - kill it
[17:34] <^A^kira> err... i mean kick him :)
[17:34] <bazhang> it has been explained several times.
[17:34] <^A^kira> bazhang: good for me, i'll pass it for -ru channel
[17:34] <bazhang> and immediately after the last time, someone went in there and did just that.
[17:34] <bazhang> TODAY
[17:35] <Myrtti> it's not a place for small talk. It's a place for making more women to use and to develop Ubuntu
[17:35] <Myrtti> and helping them in that
[17:35] <Myrtti> by women
[17:35] <Myrtti> for women
[17:35] <bazhang> and not a place to harass the users.
[17:35] <bazhang> and please dont say that you consider that small talk.
[17:35] <bazhang> THEY DONT
[17:36] <Myrtti> hey, there's a thought
[17:36] <^A^kira> well i didn't see the logs
[17:36] <^A^kira> i just heard stuff from our ppl
[17:36] <Myrtti> it's not about the cultural difference of what Russians expect the discussion in IRC to be
[17:36] <Myrtti> it's about what the people in the channel in question expect it to be
[17:36] <Myrtti> if they say they don't want it there, then they don't.
[17:37] <Myrtti> it's not a matter of discussion.
[17:38] <^A^kira> well... u know if u want to make the channel more organized and prevent "harass" u can make it moderated and deVoice the ones who interupts.... but anywhay it's not right to kill line to users
[17:38] <^A^kira> or kick/ban
[17:38] <bazhang> that was for repeated ban evading
[17:39] <bazhang> zloy
[17:39] <LjL> they will kick/ban, don't worry.
[17:39] <^A^kira> im not
[17:39] <LjL> on the #ubuntu-ru side, however, #ubuntu-ru as a whole should NOT encourage, suggest, endorse or just keep talking about messing with another channel.
[17:39] <Myrtti> ANY channel
[17:39] <^A^kira> and zloy its another story... have nothing to tell for his defence
[17:40] <bazhang> he was k-lined
[17:40] <bazhang> and that was freenode decision.
[17:40] <^A^kira> bazhang: i heard that not only he was
[17:40] <^A^kira> ?
[17:40] <bazhang> who else
[17:40] <^A^kira> that's what im trying to understand now
[17:40] <bazhang> kukMan?
[17:41] <^A^kira> .... you killed lined of KukMan too? o.o
[17:41] <bazhang> not me.
[17:41] <^A^kira> why? what have he done?
[17:41] <bazhang> and I dont know if he was k-lined or not
[17:41] <LjL> "we" don't k-line anybody.
[17:41] <LjL> freenode does.
[17:42] <^A^kira> well freenode it's not AI u know
[17:42] <LjL> we aren't freenode.
[17:42] <LjL> we are the ubuntu irc team.
[17:42] <bazhang> kukman was part of the original group
[17:42] <^A^kira> i know
[17:42] <^A^kira> well i'll speak with -ru OPs bout' that
[17:42] <bazhang> they know
[17:43] <^A^kira> well, ill do it again :)
[17:43] <^A^kira> now plz excuse me, i've got to go
[17:43] <Myrtti> thanks
[17:43] <^A^kira> it was nice to talk to you, we'll try to do the best
[18:42] <mau_> так....бан не сняли
[18:42] <Escsun> mau_, думаешь снимут спрашуй на скока срок
[18:43] <mau_> я не понял, за чё
[18:44] <mau_> да и вот полный лог
[18:44] <mau_> <bazhang> #ubuntu-women
[18:44] <mau_> <bazhang> y?
[18:44] <mau_> <mau_> 7
[18:44] <mau_> * [bazhang] недоступен (I'm busy)
[18:44] <mau_> <mau_> *?
[18:44] <mau_> * [bazhang] недоступен (I'm busy)
[18:44] <mau_> <mau_> я не понял, что ты этим имел ввиду
[18:44] <mau_> * [bazhang] недоступен (I'm busy)
[18:44] <mau_> <bazhang> Вы были предупреждены, не идти туда
[18:44] <mau_> <mau_> ээ...ну я воспринял как шутку. на сколько бан?
[18:44] <mau_> * [bazhang] недоступен (I'm busy)
[18:44] <mau_> <mau_> я дождусь ответа на вопрос?
[18:44] <mau_> * [bazhang] недоступен (I'm busy)
[18:44] <mau_> <bazhang> Это особая ситуация, потому что от сексуальных домогательств
[18:44] <mau_> <mau_> если Настя предьявит претензию, то согласен на бан.
[18:44] <mau_> * [bazhang] недоступен (I'm busy)
[18:44] <mau_> <bazhang> не возвращаться к этому каналу
[18:44] <mau_> <mau_> ок
[18:44] <Escsun> блин ты мог не сюда(
[18:44] <Escsun> ппц
[18:44] <mau_> * [bazhang] недоступен (I'm busy)
[18:44] <mau_> <bazhang> KukMan, polatov, zloy
[18:44] <mau_> <bazhang> +b
[18:44] <mau_> <bazhang> you can /join #ubuntu-ru
[18:44] <mau_> <bazhang> you are -b now
[18:44] <mau_> <mau_> спасибо
[18:44] <mau_> * [bazhang] недоступен (I'm busy)
[18:44] <mau_>  
[18:44] <mau_> * Загружен протокол от Fri Dec  5 15:38:38 2008
[18:44] <mau_>  мм
[18:45] <mau_> прошу обратить внимание на это : <mau_> <bazhang> Это особая ситуация, потому что от сексуальных домогательств
[18:45] <mau_> <mau_> <mau_> если Настя предьявит претензию, то согласен на бан.
[18:45] <mau_> <mau_> * [bazhang] недоступен (I'm busy)
[18:45] <mau_> <mau_> <bazhang> не возвращаться к этому каналу
[18:45] <mau_> <mau_> <mau_> ок
[18:45] <mau_> <mau_> * [bazhang] недоступен (I'm busy)
[18:45] <mau_> <mau_> <bazhang> KukMan, polatov, zloy
[18:45] <mau_> <mau_> <bazhang> +b
[18:45] <mau_> <mau_> <bazhang> you can /join #ubuntu-ru
[18:45] <mau_> <Escsun> да, я знаю, что такое пестебин)
[18:46] <Escsun> ппц
[18:46] <Escsun> ты знаешь скока на флудил здесь?
[18:46] <LjL> what the
[18:46] <LjL> !pastebin
[18:46] <ubottu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[18:47] <mau_> <Myrtti> it's not about the cultural difference of what Russians expect the discussion in IRC to be
[18:47] <mau_> <Myrtti> 1) if you don't know English, don't go there
[18:47] <Myrtti> LOL WHAT?
[18:47] <mau_> нацизм?"
[18:48] <Myrtti> why are you pasting that here?
[18:48] <Myrtti> http://paste.ubuntu.com
[18:48] <Myrtti> kthxplz
[18:48] <Pici> mau_: The Ubuntu channels have rules, don't expect free speech everywhere.
[18:48] <mau_> <Myrtti> its not a   english net
[18:49] <Myrtti> mau_: #ubuntu-women is English only channel
[18:49] <Pici> Just like #ubuntu is an english only channel.
[18:50] <mau_> <Pici> those topic must worning users
[18:50] <mau_> <Pici> what about #ubuntu-ru??
[18:51] <Pici> mau_: *I* know thats a russian channel because of the country code.
[18:51] <Myrtti> [20:51] [freenode] -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- [#ubuntu-women] Welcome to Ubuntu  Women. Please read our guidelines for use of this channel:  http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/IrcGuidelines
[18:52] <Myrtti> English, please
[18:52] <Myrtti>     *
[18:52] <Myrtti>       #ubuntu-women is an English language channel. If you speak in another language in #ubuntu-women, you will be redirected to the appropriate Ubuntu channels in other languages.
[18:52] <Pici> "#ubuntu-women is an English language channel. If you speak in another language in #ubuntu-women, you will be redirected to the appropriate Ubuntu channels in other languages. "
[18:52] <Pici> That too
[18:52] <Myrtti> that's what the chanserv gives when you join the channel
[18:52] <Pici> #ubuntu has a similar message in their topic and guidelines.
[18:52] <mau_> <Pici> why i had been baned on #ubuntu-ru?
[18:53] <mau_> #ubuntu-ru is a sister-chanel of   #ubuntu-women????
[18:53] <Pici> mau_: I think we got confused here, nevermind me.
[18:53] <Myrtti> I doubt Pici knows the answer since he's not an op there
[18:54] <Myrtti> mau_: 20:54] [freenode] ~~~ channels : #ubuntu-irc #ubuntu-ru-offtopic #ubuntu-ru
[18:54] <Myrtti> you don't seem to be banned?
[18:54] <mau_> #ubuntu-ru :Cannot send to channel
[18:55] <Myrtti> I don't know then...
[18:55] <Myrtti> *shrug*
[18:55] <LjL> is muted
[18:55] <Myrtti> probably yes
[18:56] <mau_> ?
[18:56] <LjL> no not probably, is
[18:56] <Myrtti> LjL: I wouldn't know, I'm not on the channel... ;-)
[18:56] <LjL> Myrtti: /mode #ubuntu-ru b
[18:56] <Myrtti> wow
[18:57] <Myrtti> learn something new every day
[19:00] <Myrtti> or in my case, two new things
[19:02] <A4Tech> as a conversation?
[19:02] <Myrtti> ... ?
[19:04] <A4Tech> Oh, you look ban list? :)
[19:05] <Myrtti> didn't know you can look at it while not being on the channel
[19:06] <Myrtti> the other new thing I learned was that only blind can be official massagists in South Korea.
[19:06] <A4Tech> massagists is what?
[19:08] <Myrtti> массажистка
[19:09] <A4Tech> but what you have said? -- "the other new thing I learned was that only blind can be official massagists in South Korea."
[19:13] <Myrtti> just for...
[19:13] <Myrtti> ok
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