2008/10/25/#xubuntu.txt

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[03:16] <KillerOrca> did anyone who updated over the network have their xubuntu install become a ubuntu one?
[03:17] <favro> that doesn't sound good - at login is there an option to use a xfce session?
[03:19] <KillerOrca> yeah, but it didn't do anything when I tried it once
[03:19] <KillerOrca> yeah, but it didn't do anything when I tried it once
[03:19] <favro> so you tried it twice?
[03:19] <KillerOrca> sorry if double not sure on the channel
[03:20] <KillerOrca> no, when I did the restart I updated agian, logged out and selected it, but it defaulted to gnome
[03:22] <KillerOrca> all my settings seem to be the same from what I can tell
[03:22] <favro> try in a terminal   dpkg -l | grep xubuntu-desktop
[03:23] <KillerOrca> it gives back this: ii  xubuntu-desktop                            2.66                                                 Xubuntu desktop system
[03:24] <favro> so it wasn't removed then - that's a start
[03:25] <KillerOrca> I had it set to autologin into xfce before the update, and it still auto-logs-in so maybe that is part of it
[03:26] <favro> yep that could be it - you can change that from gnome
[03:27] <KillerOrca> I still want to auto-login though, andd where do I change that?
[03:27] <favro> I haven't used gnome in ages - somewhere like system login manager but that's a wild guess
[03:28] <KillerOrca> I'll look into that, thx
[03:29] <KillerOrca> also do you have any experience with dd-wrt routers?
[03:29] <favro> nope - I don't sorry
[03:31] <KillerOrca> have you ever used ushare, or know how to add programs to start-up?
[03:32] <favro> in xfce it is applications-settings-settings manager - startup
[03:33] <KillerOrca> k thanks, going to try some stuff now
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[06:08] <nonie> hello guys, i am having problems with my firefox on my xubuntu 8.04
[06:08] <nonie> when i play youtube files, video motion is very slow.
[06:08] <nonie> any suggestions
[06:09] <nonie> when i run it with windows explorer from a standard windows xp machine, video is running fine.
[06:09] <nonie> is there anything to tweak with firefox
[06:10] <favro> is it buffering alot?
[06:12] <nonie> its like its in slow motion
[06:13] <nonie> strange my ram is 1gig
[06:13] <nonie> and running with p4 running xp before.
[06:13] <favro> it might be the app you use to view shockwave flash - which did you install?
[06:14] <nonie> hold on
[06:14] <favro> !gnash
[06:14] <ubottu> An open source flash replacement.  It is still beta software. For current status or for more info http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
[06:14] <nonie> is it in the synaptics
[06:16] <nonie> i just installed the flash player under the synaptic
[06:16] <favro> !info gnash
[06:16] <ubottu> gnash (source: gnash): free SWF movie player. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.2-0ubuntu3 (hardy), package size 328 kB, installed size 1000 kB
[06:17] <nonie> found it i will install it now
[06:26] <nonie> still slow.... any mor suggestions?
[06:27] <nonie> the display is adobe flash 9, does the 8.04 already uses adobe flash 9 plugin
[06:30] <favro> I think flash is proprietry - so no - there is a flash 10
[06:30] <favro> but it seems the issue is with something else as flash9 should work ok
[06:31] <favro> !flash
[06:31] <ubottu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (a recent version for !Dapper is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[06:32] <nonie> ok tnx 4 the tip
[06:32] <favro> slow vid makes me think the cpu or mem is maxed out
[06:40] <nonie> btw where can i find the xubuntu 8.04 repositories because from this was online upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04
[06:40] <nonie> it seems the source repositories for 8.04 was not included
[06:43] <favro> in /etc/apt/sources.list change gutsy to hardy on all uncommented lines
[06:44] <nonie> ok
[06:47] <nonie> tnx a lot
[06:47] <XFCEntral> nonie: ive got something you can try, for your youtube/flash problem
[06:48] <nonie> please i needed that
[06:49] <XFCEntral> do you have a youtube video up right now? if not, go to one in your browser
[06:49] <nonie> ok, then.
[06:51] <nonie> wats next
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[06:51] <XFCEntral> right click the video area
[06:51] <XFCEntral> choose "Settings"
[06:51] <nonie> ok
[06:52] <XFCEntral> when you see it, uncheck the box that should say "Hardware Acceleration"
[06:52] <XFCEntral> try playing the video again
[06:52] <nonie> tried it still having the same problem.
[06:53] <XFCEntral> :/ ive read that made a difference for some with flash/youtube difficulties.
[06:53] <XFCEntral> had to try!
[06:54] <nonie> there has to be something else bugging my system.
[06:54] <nonie> strange...
[06:55] <XFCEntral> sorry i couldnt help :/
[06:55] <nonie> no problem... we tried anyways./
[06:57] <favro> still think it is h/ware - wrong xorg maybe
[06:57] <nonie> this is the one i am watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4a1z7NLnNk
[06:58] <XFCEntral> thanks--it plays smooth in firefox for me
[07:00] <nonie> ill keep on trying
[07:00] <favro> seems ok here - what are your cpu/mem stats while trying to watch?
[07:00] <nonie> tnx a lot guys be back later to test again.
[07:01] <XFCEntral> favro: mine is hovering between 80-100%
[07:01] <favro> mine was <10
[07:02] <XFCEntral> i often have that problem with my CPU maxing out with Flash, and can close my browser but the problem persists. only when i kill "npviewer.bin" does it go back down to 10-20%
[07:03] <favro> ahh I pause it to make sure it is buffered with enough vid before playing
[07:03] <favro> only takes 5 or so secs
[07:04] <XFCEntral> the whole video has loaded already hmm
[07:04] <XFCEntral> playback still puts me at ~100%
[07:40] <nonie> im back guys
[07:41] <nonie> it maybe just my pc acting up , ill just check it again sometime
[08:26] <nonie> does the ubuntu 8.04 has wubi installer and has anyone tried wubi in a vista laptop?
[08:26] <nonie> i mean the live cd of ubuntu 8.04
[08:59] <favro> !wubi
[08:59] <ubottu> Wubi is an Ubuntu installer for Windows users that allows you to install and uninstall Ubuntu like a Windows application, in a simple and safe way. http://wubi-installer.org/support.php for troubleshooting. Please file bugs at http://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug.
[08:59] <nonie> tnx
[09:00] <favro> I didn't know what was in the link...
[09:49] <wormsxulla_> hello. is there a way to force an application window to open at a given size?
[09:52] <zoredache> wormsxulla_: you could use devilspie
[09:52] <wormsxulla_> that's in synaptic?
[09:52]  * wormsxulla_ looks
[09:54] <wormsxulla_> yes, i found it. thanks, zoredache
[09:59] <wormsxulla_> i feel such a n00b. it got installed, but i'm not finding it in any Applications menu
[10:02] <TheSheep> wormsxulla_: there is a description here: http://burtonini.com/blog/computers/devilspie
[10:02] <TheSheep> and a link to tutorial
[10:03] <wormsxulla_> i found the readme too, thank you
[10:05] <mnemoc> hi, any idea why I have lost (on every machine) the switch-user, suspend and hibernate icons on xubuntu+2 on yesterday's update?
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[11:20] <nikolam> Hi
[11:20] <nikolam> I have problems with Writing files to Ubuntu-formated UDF CDRW
[11:20] <nikolam> I saved files to the disk but after re-inserting it, it cannot be mounted
[11:20] <nikolam> and to see data on disk
[11:21] <nikolam> space is allocated but data could not re read from cdrw
[11:21] <TheSheep> UDF? is that some apple thingy?
[11:22] <nikolam> UDF file system. Read-write packet writing for optical media
[11:22] <nikolam> I can write to it. But after re-mount, is cannot be read from disk
[11:23] <nikolam> also it cannot be ejected after umounting of udf cdrw
[11:24] <nikolam> i must use eject command to eject disk
[11:49] <mrbichel> Hello, I mannaged to get my macbook pro to type special chars as (at) and dollar etc. however on xubuntu I can't find the place to configure a key to enable those.
[11:50] <mrbichel> under keyboard there is the hotkeys menu but that seems to be for applications only.
[11:51] <mrbichel> have anyone tried this, and can you guide me in the right direction?
[11:54] <TheSheep> you can usually type @ by pressing and holding down the shift key (sometimes also marked as a wide up-arrow) and then pressing 2
[11:54] <TheSheep> at least with the us keyboard layout
[11:57] <mrbichel> nope that is " on my keyboard
[11:57] <mrbichel> I have all the secondary functions with shift: !"#¤%&/()=? ...
[11:57] <TheSheep> what layout is that?
[11:57] <mrbichel> but I miss the tertiary functions, (at) is terdiary
[11:57] <mrbichel> MAC DK
[11:58]  * TheSheep has no ideas about dutch keyboards
[11:59] <mrbichel> Danish that is - but it should be similar to most others except for a few extra chars æ ø å but they are primary and located along with the rest of the A - Z letters.
[12:02] <TheSheep> I use right alt key (labelled Alt Gr) to get the polish letters like ąęść etc.
[12:02] <TheSheep> no idea how that key is labelled on macbook
[12:02] <TheSheep> probably apple
[12:03] <mrbichel> yeah and it's the Alt Gr kind of key im missing - on macbook it's the apple key (has an apple on it) - right now it does nothing but I want it to handle the tertiary functions
[12:03] <TheSheep> mrbichel: try running 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' and setting your keyboard there
[12:04] <mrbichel> on ubuntu gnome there was a function to assign a key to tertiary functions - but I can't find the same kind of setting now
[12:07] <mrbichel> will that reset a bunch of other settings too?
[12:07] <TheSheep> if you don't change them, then it shouldn't
[12:07] <TheSheep> I mean the defaults are set to the current settings
[12:15] <mrbichel> TheSheep: I tried that, but didn't change anything.
[12:15] <TheSheep> :/
[12:18] <mrbichel> do you have any idea of a good place to search?
[12:22] <TheSheep> google, forums, maybe bugs
[12:23] <mrbichel> yeah, thanks for your effort!
[13:38] <nikolam> i have few things
[13:38] <nikolam> i finaly made udf disk out of cdrw
[13:38] <nikolam> mounted it using this way: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=129093
[13:39] <nikolam> so 1. How do I make that files that are written on udfcdrw can be also writable for other users?
[13:40] <nikolam> every file i write to udf disc is by default read-only to other users, no matter what i set with chmod on mounted volume
[13:41] <nikolam> 2. How do i desable making of .Trash* directory when deleting files on udf cdrw?
[13:42] <nikolam> and 3. Why a hack files are not written to udf cdrw when i copy/paste files?
[13:42] <knome> 2. shift+del
[13:43] <nikolam> It seems like they are written but after remounting udf cdrw, they are gone!
[13:43] <nikolam> but it seems that they occupy free space!
[13:44] <nikolam> ok, now, .Trash-1001 dir is fone by itself
[13:44] <nikolam> and the files "written"
[13:45] <nikolam> does anyone in the World is trying to use Udf under linux for cdrw and dvd+rw....
[13:46] <nikolam> now when i do sudo ls -la /media/cdrom1 i get ??????????  ? ?    ?         ?                ? .Trash-1001
[13:47] <nikolam> listed
[13:47] <nikolam> ...
[13:49] <knome> nikolam, maybe ask vidd :P
[13:49] <nikolam> vihm, who is vidd?
[13:49] <knome> vidd = vidd
[13:50] <nikolam> hi vidd
[13:50] <nikolam> what is going on with udf on Ubuntu?
[13:51] <squirrelpimp> hi
[13:52] <nikolam> hi
[13:52] <squirrelpimp> i'd like to have a hook for my bash-shell which is executed whenever i enter a directory
[13:52] <squirrelpimp> so that i can have .info files in my directories with notes-to-self and have them displayed whenever i enter the directory
[13:55] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: try installing devtodo
[13:55] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: and reading its help
[13:55] <squirrelpimp> TheSheep: thx...
[13:55] <squirrelpimp> i might even have heard that name before
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[14:00] <squirrelpimp> won't that affect scripts that use cd?
[14:08] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: that's why it's not trivial
[14:09] <squirrelpimp> what do you mean? i could install it or not
[14:09] <squirrelpimp> :)
[14:09] <TheSheep> just installing it won't do anything to cd
[14:10] <TheSheep> you must read its documentation for a description how to do it
[14:10] <squirrelpimp> yes, i read that... and it describes what i came up with my self: replace cd with a custom function/alias. However then each script will see that new cd-command, right?
[14:11] <squirrelpimp> or is there more docs available than on its website?
[14:12] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: there is a way to check in the script whether it's invoked from another script or terminal, if I remember correctly
[14:13] <TheSheep> besides, scripts houldn't use cd :)
[14:17] <squirrelpimp> yes, that of course, but you never know
[14:17] <squirrelpimp> :)
[14:18] <squirrelpimp> thanks, i'll have a look at it
[14:18] <nikolam> Hey, did you know that Linux supposed to be named "Freax" :) http://linux-bangalore.org/blug/articles/bday.php
[16:24] <tiberius0101> Hi - how to remove the progress bar including xubuntu logo, which comes before the login screen
[16:24] <tiberius0101> I want to replace both with a solid black screen
[16:39] <nikolam> tiberius: use gdmsetup
[16:39] <nikolam> tiberius0101, gdmsetup
[16:39] <nikolam> (login window) in setting
[16:39] <nikolam> hmm. or not
[16:40] <tiberius0101> nikoalm: I will check that...cheers
[16:41] <nikolam> tiberius0101, use startup manager
[16:41] <nikolam> package xubuntu-artwork-usplash is one that includes that picture
[16:41] <vidd> tiberius0101, sudo update-settings --config usplash-artwork.so
[16:42] <nikolam> tiberius0101, search in synaptic for usplash
[16:43] <vidd> tiberius0101, then sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-[your kernel image version number]
[16:43] <vidd> you will, of course need to add your blank image to /usr/lib/usplash
[16:43] <vidd> =]
[16:44] <vidd> you might also try simply deleteing or removing the files in that folder
[16:44] <tiberius0101> thanks...I will check that - so long, cheers
[17:05] <nikolam> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto
[17:08] <vidd> herm....dapper....
[17:09] <vidd> and edgy....
[17:09] <vidd> kinda outdated....
[17:09] <nikolam> yes.. yes..
[17:09] <nikolam> anyway, i wanted to see in what format is that .so file
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[17:36] <spasticteapot> Does anyone here know how to adjust brightness and contrast in VLC media player?
[17:36] <spasticteapot> I go to I go settings-> video -> filter adjust, but nothing happens.
[17:38] <TheSheep> I think you need to enable the filter
[17:38] <spasticteapot> Oh.
[17:39] <spasticteapot> I did.
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[19:21] <lintel> I just installed XU intrepid and the NetworkManager disappeared from the panel. Any ideas how to get it back?
[19:21] <vinnl> lintel, press Alt+F2 and run "nm-applet"
[19:23] <lintel> vinnl, nothing
[19:24] <vinnl> lintel, OK, how about ""killall nm-applet && nm-applet"
[19:25] <TheSheep> how about trying it in terminal and looking at the error message?
[19:25] <vinnl> Or that ^.^
[19:26] <mnemoc> *G*
[19:28] <vidd> anyone know a *simple* way to set up thundaerbird to read /var/mail?
[19:30] <lintel> ** (nm-applet:5802): WARNING **: No connections defined <= but I can't see it!!!
[19:32] <TheSheep> lintel: did you remove the system notification area from your panel?
[19:32] <lintel> TheSheep, nope
[19:32] <TheSheep> lintel: if so, then right-click on the panel, select "add item" and then add it back
[19:32] <lintel> Pidgin is still alive here
[19:32] <TheSheep> I see
[19:33] <vidd> lintel, please pastebin /etc/network/interfaces
[19:33] <vidd> !pastebin
[19:33] <ubottu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[19:36] <lintel> auto lo * iface lo inet loopback * auto eth0 * iface eth0 inet dhcp
[19:37] <vidd> and can you ping your gateway?
[19:37] <lintel> vidd, I am connected via eth0
[19:37] <lintel> vidd, just no gui
[19:38] <vidd> so when you typed "ping xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx" you get replies?
[19:38] <vidd> xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx would be the ip address of your gateway
[19:39] <lintel> vidd, no reaction in terminal
[19:39] <vidd> ok....so you are NOT connected via eth0
[19:40] <lintel> vidd, how would I chat here?
[19:40] <vidd> [ctrl]+[c] to cancel it....
[19:40] <vidd> if you cant ping your gateway, the IDK
[19:41] <vidd> please pastebin the output of "ifconfig"
[19:41] <vidd> and PLEASE use pastebin
[19:43] <lintel> vidd, sorry, but I have to leave, my wife wants my attention now ;) its SAT nite here -- thanks 4 now!
[20:11] <vidd> sweet....i figured out how to *easily* set up thunderbird to read /var/mail
[20:13] <vinnl> Add it to the wiki ;-)
[20:13] <vidd> IDK how
[20:13] <vidd> and i dont think i have rights
[20:13] <vinnl> Go to wiki.ubuntu.com, use your Launchpad account to log in, and browse to a page
[20:13] <vinnl> Then you can create the new page if it doesn't exist yet
[21:35] <awsoonn> hi all, how can I start a vnc server?
[21:35] <Odd-rationale> !vcn | awsoonn
[21:35] <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vcn
[21:36] <zoredache> !x11vnc
[21:36] <Odd-rationale> !vnc | awsoonn
[21:36] <ubottu> awsoonn: VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[21:36] <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about x11vnc
[21:37] <awsoonn> thanks Odd-rationale
[21:37] <Odd-rationale> np
[21:39] <awsoonn> in xubuntu, is there a way to scale everything on the screen?? Everything is pretty big, I woudl like to scalle everything by .75
[21:40] <zoredache> are you at the largest screen resolution that your display/graphics adapter supports?
[21:41] <zoredache> change that if you can
[21:41] <awsoonn> well, I would like to say that I am, but I don't know that for 100%
[21:41] <awsoonn> it's a 'new' machine that I just poped xubuntu on.
[21:41] <Odd-rationale> awsoonn: pastebin the output of xrandr
[21:42] <awsoonn> ohh, that's a nice program...
[21:42] <awsoonn> http://pastebin.com/m38cb9828
[21:42] <awsoonn> so, apparently I am not.
[21:43] <Odd-rationale> ok try: xrandr -s 1600x1200
[21:44] <awsoonn> that is interesting
[21:44] <awsoonn> :)
[21:45] <awsoonn> I wish you could see what I see, I'm most certianly runnign at that resolution now.
[21:46] <Odd-rationale> awsoonn: does it seem like the resolution is too big for your monitor?
[21:46] <awsoonn> I have most of my screen in the upper left portion of the monitor, and black all round it. the botom and right sides are cut off a bit.
[21:46] <awsoonn> th emonitor is taking it like a camp however. no problems there I think. and I can more my mouse in the black areas ok
[21:47] <awsoonn> probalby a restart of X will take care of it, but that's not an option atm :/
[21:47] <Odd-rationale> awsoonn: try playing with differnt values...
[21:47] <Odd-rationale> like 1280x1024
[21:48] <awsoonn> ^ thats what I am at right now, but I think it will be fine after I can reboot in 8 hours or so
[21:48] <awsoonn> :)
[21:48] <vidd> Odd-rationale, awsoonn  1600x1200 is not a sopported option....try 1600x1024
[21:49] <vidd> methinks you want to use one of the options listed by xrandr's output
[21:50] <vidd> any better?
[21:50] <Odd-rationale> vidd: you could right, it says my maximum is 1400x1200. but i can only get 1400x1050
[21:51] <awsoonn> vidd: I caught that one, resolution is fine, it's as if the window manager's virtural desktop is not scalling up automaticly with X's resolution
[21:51] <awsoonn> I don't know if those are the right terms, but that's how it feels
[21:53] <awsoonn> bug to be looked into later. *nods* work.
[21:56] <awsoonn> haha, one of my project teamates walked in saw 5 terminal windows open on xubuntu and was thurally impressed. Feels good. :)
[21:56]  * awsoonn does real work now, afk
[21:56] <Baseline> does anyone know of any documentation that shows typical RAM usage of Xubuntu, and (since it's machine specific for the most part) compares it with Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and maybe even XP?
[22:04] <vidd> Baseline, RAM usage isnt machine specific....
[22:04] <vidd> its program-centric
[22:04] <vidd> if you open the system monitor, it should show you RAM usage
[22:08] <Baseline> hi vidd, i agree, however some machines will have diff hw (this bluetooth etc) which will invoke and run diff programs which will in turn increase the RAM consumption - yes, that can be turned off, but i guess my question was - for the ones that do not have time to run this test to figure out if Xubuntu would be benefitial move for their 256MB laptop (as an example) - is if anyone from the...
[22:09] <Baseline> ...xubuntu marketing has run all 4 OSes on the same machine in quadruple-boot env and figured out the basic numbers for the OS only, Firefox only, FF+OO runing with 5 documents, and just some basic test to "sell" xubuntu vs the other ones and even compare against DSL for example... would be a selling point on the xubuntu.com home page, no?
[22:11] <vidd> my 256MB ram laptop wont boot KDE, gnome is extremely sluggish, and i wont make my machines virus magnets
[22:11] <TheSheep> Baseline: xubuntu would not come out very good I'm afraid, it's not its goal either
[22:13] <Baseline> thanks, vidd, and thesheep... i like real numbers, and i was wondering if anyone has done it, which is not a problem, since i will do it myself and see if marketing team can use it... btw, what is the goal?
[22:15] <vidd> ....where is that mission statement document that cody-somerville wrote....
[22:16] <cody-somerville> vidd, on the wiki
[22:17] <vidd> Baseline, look here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu
[22:17] <vidd> it tells you the goal for xubuntu
[22:18] <Baseline> " with a particular focus on low memory footprint. ", no it's NOT? huh?
[22:19] <vidd> "with a focus" does not mean "with as low a footprint as possible"
[22:20] <vidd> for example, for ease of use, xubuntu uses gdm as the desktop manager rather then slim
[22:20] <vidd> gdm has a higher memory footprint then slim, but slim is a lot less "intuitive" to configure
[22:21] <vidd> no pre-build GUI interface for configuration, PATH modifications needed, etc
[22:21] <vidd> and that is just one example
[22:22] <Baseline> i agree vidd, but show me the money!!!
[22:22] <vidd> its an all-volunteer program....there is no money!
[22:22] <vidd> =]
[22:22] <Baseline> hard numbers, charts, i love charts...
[22:23] <vidd> well....you make some charts, and submit it....they might even get posted to the site (i can make no guarentees)
[22:24] <vidd> just dont be surprised if there is some disclaimer attached!
[22:24] <Baseline> esp the one where xubuntu running FF3 beats Xp running IE8 by twice as less RAM, while being waaaaay faster with JavaScript...
[22:24] <Baseline> twice as less=half as much
[22:25] <vidd> ok...is that boast in print somewhere?
[22:25] <Baseline> no, but one can get that impression when there are no hard numbers anywhere years into this project....
[22:26] <vidd> ....years....
[22:26] <vidd> xubuntu has been "official" for just over 2 years
[22:26] <Baseline> vidd, surprisingly factual now aren't we?
[22:27] <vidd> ive always been factual
[22:27] <Baseline> then where are the numbers, fact, usages...
[22:27] <vidd> but i dont put much value on "hard numbers"
[22:28] <vidd> you almost never notice the tiny print that says "results not typical, individual results may vary"
[22:28] <vidd> and they always do
[22:29] <Baseline> i know but you need at least one test to make the claim(s) ur making, no?
[22:29] <Baseline> best effort kind a thing
[22:29] <vidd> what claims?
[22:30] <vidd> so far as i know, we havent made any claims
[22:30] <vidd> but....much as i would like to continue this....
[22:31] <Baseline> thanks man
[22:31] <vidd> im done working, and i have to catch the last bus home
[22:31] <vidd> if your still on, ill see ya in about 2 hours
[22:31] <vidd> =]
[22:31] <Baseline> no i gotta go install everything to make the charts
[22:31] <cody-somerville> Baseline, I'm eager to read your report.
[22:31] <vidd> look forward to seeing them!
[22:32] <nikolam> vidd have a pleasant rest
[22:32] <vidd> nikolam, ty...u2
[22:32] <nikolam> Baseline, Make shure you inform us somehow about results!
[22:34] <nikolam> vidd :)