2008/10/14/#ubuntu-ops.txt

[00:04] <LjL> it's a zoo. seriously.
[00:09] <LjL> jrib, the man who can think "mind your own darn business" and type "thanks".
[00:09] <jrib> heh
[00:11] <Hobbsee> mmm....zoos...
[00:17] <LjL> who's this pesky lj4 that keeps quitting and rejoining
[00:18] <jrib> ban his subnet
[00:18] <LjL> i'd say kline just for good measure
[00:18] <jrib> let's just kline *.it to be safe
[00:19] <LjL> jrib: don't say that aloud, there are networks that could actually do that. easily.
[00:45] <jrib> LjL: you know japanese?
[00:47] <ubottu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, MenZa said: !icon255 is <reply> Instructions on how to use the Orange Icon 255 Wireless Internet Adapter (and others) can be found here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Icon255HowTo
[00:48] <LjL> jrib: no, i used babelfish
[00:48] <LjL> jrib: i had it already open in order to see what he was saying to me, so i just thought i'd respond to the "thank you" which he was so kind to give in two languages
[00:49] <jrib> LjL: I see, well now instead of being impressed by your mastery of japanese, I'm impressed by babelfish :)
[00:50] <LjL> jrib: why, you do know japanese?
[00:50] <jrib> LjL: no, but it's something I want to learn
[00:50] <LjL> i could have told him to sod off, for all i know
[00:50] <LjL> actually, when i checked by translating back into english, the translation was "how doing"
[00:50] <LjL> (i gave "you're welcome")
[00:50] <jrib> heh
[00:51] <LjL> google translate is usually better, but fails in konqueror and firefox takes time to start
[00:51] <LjL> although google translate is sometimes... quite... puzzling. it's probably because of the user-submitted translations, sometimes it really does some quite liberal renderings
[00:52] <LjL> jrib: i had indeed tried to learn some japanese anyway, but didn't put very much effort in it, there's basically only one hiragana character i can read =) i can say watashiwa itaria jin eru, though. maybe it's even right.
[00:58] <LjL> jrib: i should give you my PDA if you want to learn japanese, that's what got me started on it... a friend of mine had found it in the street, it's a cute Sharp Zaurus Something from 1994, with a built-in english<->japanese dictionary, and an IR interface not compatible with anything
[00:58] <LjL> jrib: the fun thing is that to get the dictionary to work, you have to draw the japanese characters in the right stroke order -- but not only that, you also have to draw *latin* latters in what it considers the "right" order
[00:59] <LjL> it never liked my E for one thing
[01:00] <jrib> that sounds... challenging
[01:00] <LjL> jrib: yes, quite. but it made for a lot of fun time while not listening to high school classes
[01:00] <LjL> jrib: also, i had my schoolmates learn a lot of impromptu created japanese insults and blasphemy.
[01:01] <jrib> ha, of course.  One of the best parts about learning a foreign language
[01:01] <LjL> jrib: but it was interesting really... to use the pda itself to try and understand what all the writings on the pda software even said
[01:02] <jrib> LjL: adi's in a root prompt running sudo and getting "adi is not in sudoers"?
[01:03] <LjL> jrib: err... i've missed something, i admit
[01:04] <LjL> i hate that "sorry just 1 sek"
[01:04] <LjL> are you in the darn recovery mode or not, and if so, how the hell are you on irc
[01:07] <LjL> jrib: ok, he's in a root shell because he's decided to go to one, and he's getting that message probably because he still has his broken sudoers, where (for some reason of his own) he changed "root" into "adi"
[01:16] <jrib> LjL: EDITOR=gedit sudo -E visudo     seems to work :)
[01:17] <LjL> jrib: how the hell did you figure that one out
[01:17] <jrib> LjL: helping another user doing something similar a while ago of course
[01:18] <LjL> jrib: i was convinced that just wasn't possible, because the "visudo" manpage says that respecting $EDITOR is a security hole, so it's only done if a compile-time option is used (which i assumed wasn't used)
[01:20] <jrib> LjL: man sudoers  says something about -E allowing commands with the SETENV tag.  Now I don't know how to determine if something has the SETENV tag, but visudo must be one
[01:21] <jrib> man sudo  I mean
[01:21] <LjL> yes, of course i'm viewing man sudo right now... i just could never have found that option or related it to visudo myself.
[01:22] <LjL> "man visudo" doesn't mention setenv anywhere, fwiw
[01:22] <jrib> maybe it's a bug
[01:23] <LjL> jrib: well, don't report it please, so at least i know how to make people edit sudoers without learning that (/"¤&#¤ vim
[01:23] <LjL> i know two things about vi
[01:23] <LjL> one is how to exit from it
[01:23] <LjL> the other is how not to start it
[01:23] <jrib> heh
[01:24] <jrib> I fell in love with vim after a couple of days to be honest
[01:24] <jrib> half the fun is watching people watch you edit in it
[01:25] <LjL> jrib: i don't know, i just don't think editing text files should be something that takes days to learn (if you're smart, otherwise months). maybe i'm missing a whole exciting world, but i feel nano does its job after all
[01:31] <LjL> i don't quite remember when i changed the floodbots so they would mute after 6 messages, but doesn't that look like a bit too much?
[01:31] <jrib> ah, "If the command matched is ALL, the SETENV tag is implied for that command"
[01:33] <LjL> which is to say, it discards all your environment variables when you use sudo by default?
[01:35] <jrib> Right.  And you can use -E to override that only on commands that have the SETENV tag.  But the above implies the default sudoers lets -E work with all commands a default ubuntu
[01:36] <jrib> s/a/on a/
[01:36] <jrib> --with-human-interpretation-mode
[01:37] <LjL> jrib: they should make manpages-simpleenglish, you know, like wikipedia has a simple english version.
[01:38] <LjL> or, even just manpages-english would do
[01:39] <jrib> well, someone needs to make writing documentation for endusers cool again
[01:39] <LjL> was it ever?
[01:39] <jrib> I'm waiting for the day the kernel documentation is a youtube video
[01:40] <LjL> jrib: hey, they should make a youtube video about installing flash, so i can finally... uuuh, nevermind.
[01:40] <jrib> ha
[01:40] <jrib> well you could boot windows, watch the video, then go to ubuntu and install
[01:41] <LjL> why are you assuming i have a windows partition
[01:41] <jrib> LjL: do you?
[01:41] <LjL> yes :P
[01:41] <jrib> LjL: windows mohave?
[01:43] <LjL> jrib: sorry, i missed that (even after opening the wp article)
[01:43] <jrib> Wouldn't you think the bright people at microsoft would make their ads accessible to users of operating systems other than windows: http://www.mojaveexperiment.com 
[01:44] <jrib> LjL: just some microsoft commercial about vista where they claim they told users to test "windows mohave" and it was really windows vista
[01:45] <jrib> oh they have the html version, oops
[01:45] <jrib> that doesn't work.
[01:45] <LjL> jrib: yeah, was about to say that
[01:45] <LjL> yeah, was about to say that too
[01:47] <LjL> jrib: it loaded now for me... give it a couple of tries. as is often the case with ms software.
[01:47] <LjL> anyway, what a silly idea.
[01:47] <LjL> and anyway no, i have windows 2000
[01:49] <LjL> *bed*
[03:06] <Flannel> Anyone awake with -ot?
[03:06] <Flannel> Apparently z_ is ban evading (I haven't verified personally)
[03:06] <Flannel> Oh, and now I can.
[03:07] <Flannel> So, someone with ops in -ot, re-enforce that ban
[03:10] <Flannel> Myrtti?
[03:10] <Flannel> Mmm, that was six hours ago.  You're probably asleep.
[03:11] <ubottu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, aubade said: !mind is <reply> Are you out of your Vulcan mind?
[03:20] <snuxoll> someone mind getting rid of z_ in -ot?
[03:20] <snuxoll> he's ban evading
[03:22] <jrib> snuxoll: did you call !ops there?
[03:23] <Pici> Looks like he left to me. (z_ that is)
[03:23] <snuxoll> jrib: I'm not going to call ops
[03:23] <snuxoll> Pici: ahh, it does seem that he did
[03:23] <jrib> snuxoll: why?  that's the whole point of !ops
[03:23] <Flannel> jrib: !ops is for emergencies
[03:23] <jrib> !ops is when you need an op
[03:23] <ubottu> But ops already means something else!
[03:24] <snuxoll> jrib: no, ops is for emergencies
[03:24] <snuxoll> !ops
[03:24] <ubottu> Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow, nickrud, jpds, bazhang, jussi01, Flannel or ikonia!
[03:24] <ubottu> snuxoll called the ops in #ubuntu-ops ()
[03:24] <Pici> ...
[03:24] <Flannel> jrib: No, it's for emergencies.  You come here and discuss when its not an amergency
[03:24] <Hobbsee> oy!
[03:24] <jrib> ...
[03:24] <snuxoll> see, channel emergency
[03:24]  * Pici sighs
[03:24] <Flannel> snuxoll: Did z_ come back?>
[03:24]  * Hobbsee beats snuxoll with a rubber chicken
[03:24] <snuxoll> Flannel: he did, but he doesn't seem to be in there any more
[03:25] <snuxoll> Flannel: even though I don't see a /part or /quit in my scrollback ;(
[03:25] <Pici> 22:08:40 <?z_> snuxoll: "ban evading isn't suggested" - don't know what do you mean
[03:25] <Pici> 22:10:31 >>>> z_ (n=asus@217.118.79.39) has left #ubuntu-offtopic []
[03:26] <snuxoll> Pici: hrm, I don't have that in my log
[03:26] <snuxoll> Pici: strange
[03:27] <snuxoll> anyways, will /part here in a moment since he seems to have left
[03:27] <snuxoll> but it would probably be a good idea to keep an eye open
[03:31] <Pici> I revised the ban, I'm not sure if its too broad though.
[03:31] <Pici> *!?=asus@217.*
[03:32] <Flannel> could probably go down one more class and still be safe.  he only moved from 41 to 39
[03:32] <PriceChild> i wouldn't say that was too broad
[03:33] <Pici> I put comments in both bans regarding the revised masks.
[05:52] <Flannel> sigh
[05:56] <PriceChild> whats up?
[05:57] <Flannel> People refuse to believe that packages are packages, insist on troubleshooting the fact that they're "installed incorrectly" and now we get to listen to it for probably another 30 minutes or so in #u
[05:58] <Flannel> Installed 3rd party OOo packages, and now that they're installed in /opt/ and have no menu entries, something is *obviously* wrong
[05:58] <Flannel> just frustrating
[05:59] <Flannel> because as much as I'd love to ask them to take it elsewhere, that's not a decent thing to do.
[05:59] <Hobbsee> well, isn't it?  They're massively in the wrong, and they're disrupting the channel.
[05:59] <Hobbsee> if they won't listen to hwat they're being told, then why are they there?
[06:04] <Flannel> If it gets to be too troublesome, I'll bring it up again.  I won't feel right forcing them out, since Im already involved in it
[06:51] <PriceChild> and the day is over woohoo
=== dhrasmus is now known as dro
=== dro is now known as glowfish
[07:29] <Flannel> glowfish: How can we help you?
[07:29] <glowfish> i'd like some help getting my nick back
[07:30] <glowfish> i haven't used it in such a long time, i have no recollection of the password
[07:30] <Flannel> glowfish: I believe #freenode is the place to go for those sorts of things
[07:30] <glowfish> flannel: ok, thank you!
[07:44]  * jussi01 wakes up groggily
[09:06] <elkbuntu> we have a potential 4chan invasion in process in #u
[09:06] <elkbuntu> eatshrooms behaviour earlier, and snails behaviour more recently
[09:08] <elkbuntu> someone wanna volunteer to head one of them off in PM while I take the other?
[09:08] <elkbuntu> jussi01?
[09:33] <jussi01> sorry elkbuntu, was on the phone and then lunch. 
[09:53] <ikonia> fdoving: do you need anything ?
[09:55] <elkbuntu> ikonia, i believe he's part of the furniture. cant say i've ever see him speak though :Þ
[09:55] <ikonia> I've never seen him before
[09:56] <ikonia> only the netsplit highlighted him so I thought he may have been waiting for something and people missed him
[10:26] <jussi01> yeah, fdoving is furniture :P
[10:27]  * ikonia eats off fdoving
[10:46] <elkbuntu> pleia2, around?
[11:02] <ikonia> @bansearch Controversial
[11:02] <ubottu> No matches found for controversial!n=min@cpe-124-185-11-216.qld.bigpond.net.au in #ubuntu-ops
[11:02] <ikonia> @bansearch Controversial #ubuntu
[11:02] <ubottu> Match: *!*@CPE-124-185-11-216.qld.bigpond.net.au by ikonia in #ubuntu on Oct 14 2008 09:57:56 (ID: 5525)
[11:07] <Hobbsee> oh, him?
[11:07] <Hobbsee> is he back?
[11:08] <Hobbsee> ikonia: was he flooding in #ubuntu too?
[11:08] <ikonia> no
[11:08] <ikonia> just an opening line of "hey shit bags"
[11:08] <ikonia> I've seen him before so muted him
[11:08] <Hobbsee> from his displays in -devel, id' say that's a wise idea.
[11:08] <ikonia> then got abuse in PM
[11:08] <Hobbsee> heh
[11:08] <ikonia> just updating BT
[11:14] <ikonia> Hobbsee: have you banned him before
[11:14] <Hobbsee> ikonia: yeah, i dealt with him in -devel a few days ago
[11:15] <ikonia>  mode/#ubuntu [+b Controversial!*@*] by ikonia
[11:15] <ikonia> that should get him on a nick basis 
[11:15] <ikonia> right
[11:15] <ikonia> already have his ip covered, but he's dhcp 
[11:15] <Hobbsee> that's true
[11:16] <ikonia> I get the impression he likes to be caught, so will use the same nick
[11:16] <Hobbsee> will see if he tries to visit devel again
[11:16] <ikonia> should I leave it at +b Controversial!*@* or +b Controversial%!*@*
[11:16] <nalioth> ikonia: what is the IP?
[11:16] <ikonia> CPE-124-185-11-216.qld.bigpond.net.au
[11:16] <Hobbsee> [21:07] [Whois] Controversial is n=min@CPE-124-185-11-216.qld.bigpond.net.au (pee)
[11:17] <ikonia> ah dhcp
[11:17] <jussi01> damn aussies :P
[11:18] <nalioth> ikonia: you may safely ban CPE-124-185-*.qld.bigpond.net.au if you need to
[11:18] <Myrtti> jussi01: you're fun
[11:18] <jussi01> hehe
[11:18] <ikonia> oh, ok, nalioth I was trying to avoid the ip range, but cool, thanks
[11:19] <ikonia> I think the nick will catch him as he seems to like to be baught
[11:19] <ikonia> caught
[11:19] <Hobbsee> @btlogin
[11:19] <jussi01> ikonia: whats his realname like? maybe a +d is in order?
[11:19] <ikonia> pee
[11:19] <Hobbsee> ppp-70-247-119-16.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net  was his last address.
[11:19] <ikonia> not used +d before, let me have a quick goose at it
[11:20] <jussi01> !modes
[11:20] <ubottu> There are many different channel and user modes on !freenode. Here's a list: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
[11:20] <nalioth> ikonia: i ran a check.  he's the only one on that node on the whole network ( i don't think you'll block any legitimate users, iow )
[11:20] <Hobbsee> i don't think your wide bans will really catch him
[11:20] <Hobbsee> he's a known mibbit user too
[11:20] <ikonia> nalioth ahh handy, thank you
[11:20] <nalioth> oh, a proxy troll.
[11:21] <Hobbsee> (not that he ever connected with the previous address, but that was the address listed as the real address, from mibbit.
[11:59] <ubottu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[11:59] <ubottu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[12:01] <ubottu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[12:13] <ikonia> who's got ops in -offtopic please. 
[12:15] <ikonia> jussi01: you there
[12:15] <ikonia> jpds: 
[12:15] <jussi01> I dont
[12:16] <ikonia> ahh just doing an access list now
[12:16] <ikonia> Hobbsee: nalioth yu there
[12:16] <ikonia> (they where awake earlier
[12:17] <ikonia> ok getting out of hand now
[12:18] <ikonia> PriceChild: Hobbsee Mez nalioth nude please
[12:18]  * Hobbsee looks
[12:18] <Hobbsee> do what now?
[12:18] <ikonia> please remove neil
[12:18] <ikonia> troll
[12:18] <Hobbsee> ah
[12:18] <ikonia> thanks
[12:19] <ikonia> be prepared for pm abuse
[12:19] <Hobbsee> weird bloke, too.
[12:20] <Hobbsee> ikonia: are you aware he seems to be in ubuntu too?
[12:20] <Myrtti> whut
[12:21] <Myrtti> ikonia: you can always poke me
[12:21] <Myrtti> I'm always awake, remember
[12:21] <Myrtti> well almost always
[12:21]  * Hobbsee zaps him there too
[12:23] <Hobbsee> hmmm.   does putting in a ban also stop htem being heard from +o people, if +z is set?
[12:24] <Hobbsee> @btlogin
[12:25] <ikonia> Myrtti: sorry - missed you
[12:25] <Hobbsee> ah, and now the gem's in PM.
[12:25] <ikonia> I got them earlier
[12:25] <ikonia> enjoy :)
[12:26] <ikonia> Myrtti didn't see you in the access list, my mistake/sorrry
[12:26] <ikonia> wasn't missing you on purpose
[12:26] <Hobbsee> ikonia: ?
[12:26] <ikonia> Hobbsee: I didn't want him in there following any conversation
[12:27] <Hobbsee> ikonia: ah, right.
[12:27] <ikonia> he picks up on it once the mutes lifted
[12:27] <Hobbsee> ikonia: who says i was going to lift the mute?  :)
[12:27] <ikonia> true
[12:27] <Hobbsee> i didn't in -offtopic
[12:27] <ikonia> no no, sorry, wasn't stepping on toes
[12:27] <Hobbsee> no problem, was just curious
[12:27] <ikonia> he's been a pain for the last few hours, and I stepped aawy tog et a bite to eat and he started up again
[12:27] <Hobbsee> ahhhh
[12:28] <Hobbsee> (I hadn't seen the context, so regarded the +q as relatively safe)
[12:28] <ikonia> he looked like a lost new user at one point
[12:28] <Hobbsee> oh, here we go.
[12:28] <ikonia> then started /whoi'sing me
[12:28] <Hobbsee> now he's just acting as an abusive user.
[12:28] <ikonia> so not quite "that new"
[12:29] <Hobbsee> is knoppix drunk, or?
[12:29] <ikonia> I think it's alanguage thing
[12:29] <ikonia> he seems to just want to talk 
[12:33]  * Hobbsee tries telling the guy that he needs to grow up before he can reenter.
[12:33] <ikonia> ooh he's pming me too
[12:33] <Hobbsee> i'm not even sure why he's  here - school has gone back by now.
[12:34] <ikonia> "how do I get unabnned"
[12:34] <ikonia> I've given him the coc and guideline links, but it won't matter in my view
[12:34] <Hobbsee> ah yes, i got that a copule of times
[12:34] <Hobbsee> hah!  apparently the guy is 80
[12:34] <ikonia> 12:34 <neil> let me back in man
[12:35] <Myrtti> knoppix is going for a ride soon, if he continues
[12:35] <ikonia> Myrtti: he was ok before, I think he has some language barriers that don't come across well
[12:35] <Hobbsee> yeha, i've been watching him.
[12:37] <ikonia> he's changed his tone a lot
[12:37] <ikonia> and seems to be speaking english quite well now
[12:46] <Myrtti> oh dear god, now knoppix is on my pm
[12:46] <Myrtti> this has to be fun
[12:57] <Hobbsee> i'd like to s/always/often/ in !o4o, btw.  Any objections?
[12:59] <Tm_T> !o4o
[12:59] <ubottu> Some things are inappropriate for #ubuntu-ops. Controversial topics, which always turn into flame wars: war, race, religion, politics, gender, sexuality, drugs, questionably legal activities, suicide are not for here. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Freenode Policy)
[12:59] <stdin> "often" is probably a good change
[12:59] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: +1
[12:59] <ikonia> ah, I didn't relise the channel name was a varible and got picked up from current channel
[13:00] <neil> wat
[13:00] <Hobbsee> ikonia: hmmm.  That's a point.  How do I do an edit and keep that?
[13:00] <Hobbsee> neil: yes?
[13:00] <stdin> ikonia: try it in /msg, it's fun :p
[13:00] <ikonia> stdin: cool
[13:00] <neil> i need help
[13:00] <jussi01> Hobbsee: $channel iirc
[13:00] <stdin> $chan actually
[13:00] <neil> i need to be unbanned
[13:00] <jussi01> well almost
[13:00] <neil> please
[13:01] <ikonia> neil: it's not going to happen
[13:01] <stdin> Hobbsee: or just use !o4o ~= /always/often/
[13:01] <Hobbsee> !o4o ~= /always/often/
[13:01] <ubottu> I'll remember that Hobbsee
[13:01] <ikonia> neil: please stop asking everyone. 
[13:01] <Hobbsee> neil: the answer is no.
[13:01] <neil> why
[13:01] <Hobbsee> because.
[13:01] <neil> i want be dumb again
[13:01]  * Hobbsee has a feeling of deja vu here...
[13:01] <neil> wat am i meant to say to convince
[13:01] <neil> u
[13:02] <ikonia> neil: too many chances have passed, you've been banned too many times today
[13:02] <ikonia> walk way for a while as I suggested to you
[13:02] <ikonia> walk away 
[13:02] <neil> i been banned once
[13:02] <ikonia> no you've not
[13:02] <neil> well i didnt know that
[13:02] <Hobbsee> twice, actually.
[13:02] <ikonia> Hobbsee: 3 2 in ubuntu, in offtopic
[13:03] <ikonia> neil: you did, as you where rude to me in a prive message when I explained it to you
[13:03] <Hobbsee> ikonia: oh, even better.
[13:03] <ikonia> don't lie
[13:03] <neil> ok sorry
[13:03] <Tm_T> when you lie, myrtti makes a mitten
[13:03] <Tm_T> I mean, errr
[13:03]  * Tm_T hides
[13:03] <ikonia> this is going to go nowhere after having the same conversation in PM from about 30 minutes, so lets not waste any more time
[13:03] <Hobbsee> ikonia: ++
[13:04] <ikonia> Tm_T: making mittens should be encouraged
[13:04] <Tm_T> ikonia: true, but it was so fitting
[13:04] <Tm_T> neil: just take a break, learn your mistakes and come back later, way later
[13:05] <christel> i tend to find its a good thing when the mittens fit
[13:05] <neil> but il be banned still
[13:05] <Hobbsee> !u | neil 
[13:05] <ubottu> neil: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officer, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "are", "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[13:05] <ikonia> christel I tried to hold back from that gag
[13:05] <christel> ikonia: :P
[13:06] <neil> man im always on msn sorry
[13:06] <Tm_T> no excuses
[13:06] <neil> ok
[13:07] <neil> if you unban me then i will leave for a long time and if u see me again you can bann me for life
[13:07] <neil> you* sorry
[13:08] <ikonia> don't need to unban you for you to leave
[13:08]  * Hobbsee wonders what the point of that would be...
[13:08] <ikonia> you can leaev now while your banned
[13:08] <Tm_T> neil: no, you wont negotiate this
[13:08] <christel> neil: from backlog in #ubuntu, it strikes me that you appear to be after somewhere to "chat" -- have you considered an irc network that actually, well, caters to "chatters" as opposed to one which brings together FOSS developers and users? 
[13:08] <neil> no im new
[13:10] <Tm_T> neil: now shush, go son, I'm too old and tired for this all
[13:10] <christel> well, my suggestion would be to peruse the list over at http://netsplit.de and find a less topical network
[13:10] <Hobbsee> still, telling people "fuck you" when they don't do what you want probably isn't appropriate on those networks either...
[13:11] <neil> well i dont want to be on those because i need help with my ubuntu
[13:12] <Myrtti> Hobbsee: are you still having ops at -ot for some purpose?
[13:12] <christel> i'd have to agree with Hobbsee there
[13:12] <neil> and i would like to get back on ubuntu channels
[13:12] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: er, not apart from being unsure if this knoppix guy is going to get the boot soon.
[13:12] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: (in truth, i'd forgotten.  Thanks :) )
[13:13] <ikonia> Hobbsee: don't ruin the mystique
[13:13] <christel> neil: ok, i fail to see why you would join #ubuntu and ask if it was a "chatting channel" if you were actually looking for help, more so, i fail to see how the foggiest you at any point thought the best approach to get help from other ubuntu users and ubuntus volunteers was by telling them to "fuck off"
[13:13] <Myrtti> Hobbsee: I'll smack him if need be
[13:13] <Hobbsee> christel: ++
[13:14] <ikonia> as I said earlier, having had this converation in pm for the last 30 minutes, it will go no-where
[13:14] <neil> just let me back in please
[13:15] <ikonia> neil: waslk away - it's not going to happen today
[13:15] <ikonia> walk away 
[13:15] <Hobbsee> neil: oh, for context purposes, christel is the head of the network.
[13:15] <Hobbsee> so...
[13:15] <neil> wat is context
[13:15] <Myrtti> for your information
[13:16] <Myrtti> so you know who you are talking with
[13:16] <Hobbsee> christel: you couldn't do us a favour, could you?  :)
[13:16] <Hobbsee> christel: something about tickets and trains?
[13:16] <neil> ur funny
[13:16] <Hobbsee> this is clearly going nowhere.
[13:16] <Myrtti> Hobbsee: shhhh. :-D
[13:16] <Myrtti> neil: so, do you have any other questions?
[13:16] <neil> yes
[13:16] <Myrtti> or requests?
[13:16] <neil> let me on
[13:16] <Myrtti> I think we've addressed most of them
[13:16] <Myrtti> sorry, no
[13:17] <Myrtti> anything else?
[13:17] <neil> yes
[13:17] <neil> let me on
[13:17] <Myrtti> see! didn't need k-train
[13:17] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: he will come back, though.
[13:17] <Myrtti> sure, then I'll ban
[13:17] <Myrtti> just for a few hours though
[13:18] <christel> lets hope he hasnt worked out how to run proxies
[13:18] <christel> ive given him a weeks holiday, with some luck he'll find the time to familiarise himself with our policies and your code of conduct 
[13:19] <Hobbsee> sweet, thanks christel 
[13:22] <christel> np :)
[13:22] <ikonia> how many nicks does ljl need !
[13:23] <Hobbsee> ikonia: 42.
[13:23] <elkbuntu> duh
[13:23] <Myrtti> oo
[13:23] <Myrtti> http://irc-galleria.net/view.php?nick=hydRane&image_id=62622975
[14:04] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[14:05] <Tm_T> indeedio
[15:21] <ikonia> jpds: that guys amanu is back again after all the time spent with him yesterday trying to fix his broken wubi to partition install
[15:53] <jussi01> anyone around on intrepid?
[15:54] <Myrtti> sorry
[15:54] <Myrtti> just shutdown my laptop
[15:54] <ikonia> jussi01: I can be
[15:54] <jussi01> ikonia: just need a quick test if something is borked...
[15:54] <ikonia> go on
[15:55] <jussi01> ikonia: open this page in firefox - you need flash - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tv_and_radio/sports_personality_of_the_year/7668185.stm
[15:55] <jussi01> does it work or does it offer to download the flash plugin...
[15:55] <ikonia> loading
[15:55] <ikonia> I suspect it works
[15:55] <ikonia> I use bbc flash pages all the time
[15:55] <ikonia> yeah, works
[15:56] <jussi01> damn, means my pc is borked...
[15:56] <jussi01> wonder what i did...
[15:56] <jussi01> *scratches head*
[15:56] <Myrtti> ooh
[15:56] <ikonia> jussi01: I can try it on another install too if you want
[15:56] <Myrtti> it works even with swfdec
[16:01] <jussi01> weird, other flash works... (you tube)
[16:01] <ikonia> odd odd odd
[16:02] <jussi01> ikonia: which browser you use?
[16:02] <ikonia> firefox
[16:02] <jussi01> same...
[16:10] <ubottu> In #ubuntu+1, urban_ryoga said: ubottu is a bot right? that is kinda creepy
[16:31] <Pici> poor ubottu
[16:35] <ikonia> buillied
[16:35] <ikonia> bullied
[16:41] <Pici> I'm on mibbit currently, so no quick access to my irssi aliases :(
[16:42] <ikonia> boot Pici quick, he's a mibbet troll
[16:43] <Pici> I'm a training class, and they seem to block ssh out.
[16:44] <ikonia> ooh
[16:44] <ikonia> interesting course ?#
[16:47] <Pici> ikonia: Its on Interface Administration, mostly regarding HL7
[16:48] <ikonia> HL7 ?
[16:50] <Pici> ikonia: Its a standard for communicating healthcare information.  Here are some example messages: http://www.dt7.com/cdc/sampmsgs.html
[16:50] <ikonia> you have shown me that before, sorry
[16:51] <Pici> I don't mind. 
[17:15]  * Pici might disappear at times
[17:15] <Myrtti> *pinch*
[17:16] <Pici> The instructor randomly takes control of our computers to show things.
[17:24] <Myrtti> BORING
[17:40] <LjL> [18:39:57] *** FloodBot2 sets mode: +e fserve!i=c881a311@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4ef0ea310718f9ac <- don't like this nickname...
[18:40] <jussi01> !+1 is foo
[18:40] <ubottu> I'll remember that, jussi01
[18:40] <jussi01> !no, +1 is <alias>intrepid
[18:40] <ubottu> I know nothing about +1 yet, jussi01
[18:40] <jussi01> !+1 is <alias>intrepid
[18:40] <ubottu> But 1 already means something else!
[18:40] <LjL> argh jussi don't do that
[18:40] <jussi01> LjL: why not?
[18:41] <jussi01> !forget +1
[18:41] <ubottu> I know nothing about +1 yet, jussi01
[18:41] <Myrtti> !-intrepid
[18:41] <ubottu> intrepid aliases: ubuntu+1, ibex, 8.10, interpid - added by Pici on 2008-02-21 01:19:06 - last edited by Pici on 2008-10-08 14:03:49
[18:41] <LjL> jussi01: non-alphanumeric characters at the start of factoids is not something it ever liked
[18:41] <jussi01> oh me
[18:41] <LjL> !1
[18:41] <ubottu> 1 is foo
[18:41] <jussi01> oh... evil thing
[18:41] <jussi01> whoops
[18:42] <Pici> !#####intrepid
[18:42] <ubottu> Intrepid Ibex is the code name for Ubuntu 8.10, due October 30th, 2008 - Warning lots of broken software between now and October 30th! - Use #ubuntu+1 for support, *NOT* #ubuntu
[18:42] <jussi01> !forget 1
[18:42] <ubottu> I'll forget that, jussi01
[19:17] <LjL> jussi01: you could do it anyway and then just use !+1 in practice, but i think it can also break aliases and some nasty stuff
[19:24] <nalioth> how about "plus1" ?
[19:26] <Myrtti> !next
[19:26] <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about next
[19:26] <Myrtti> ^
[20:02] <Myrtti> ARG ARGH ARGGGGHHHHH
[20:02] <Myrtti> Tm_T: ping?
[20:05] <Pici> rawr
[20:07] <LjL> Pici: WOOF
[20:09] <jussi01> *meep*
[20:48] <ubottu> bastid_raZor called the ops in #ubuntu (darklust)
[20:48] <ompaul> care to remove my ops as per mail(S)?
[20:51] <LjL> pfff
[20:52] <darklust> -.-
[20:52] <Tm_T> Myrtti: yes, little one?
[20:52] <Myrtti> darklust: hello
[20:52] <Tm_T> darklust: how may we help you?
[20:52] <Myrtti> darklust: welcome to the humour corner
[20:52] <LjL> Tm_T: was redirected here
[20:53] <darklust> You may help me.
[20:53] <Tm_T> LjL: I know, still asking (:)
[20:53] <Myrtti> darklust: care to explain the roadshow you you just pulled at #ubuntu=
[20:53] <darklust> It was just a line of bash code >.>
[20:53] <Myrtti> just a line of bash code, AAWWWWWW how cute
[20:54] <LjL> well, now you've seen a little line of IRC protocol too
[20:54] <Tm_T> Myrtti: privaas mitä oli (;)
[20:54] <darklust> Like whathisname said, most people wouldn't run it as root anyways.
[20:54] <darklust> I couldn't have nailed that many people.
[20:54] <Tm_T> darklust: bad is bad, no matter how shiny wrapper it has
[20:55] <LjL> i don't see anybody saying that, anyway it would still remove /home wouldn't it
[20:55] <darklust> Tm_T: Interesting anology.
[20:55] <darklust> No, the root directory (/)
[20:55] <Tm_T> darklust: and true
[20:56] <LjL> and recursively the stuff that's in it. anyway.
[20:56] <Myrtti> darklust: which part of rm -rf leaves /home intact?
[20:56] <darklust> Which part of my code told you only the /home directory would be removed?
[20:57] <LjL> which part of what we said told you that we thought only the /home directory would be removed?
[20:57] <LjL> anyway, this game is not very much fun
[20:57] <darklust> <LjL> i don't see anybody saying that, anyway it would still remove /home wouldn't it
[20:57] <LjL> darklust: is there the word "only" in that sentence?
[20:57] <darklust> In response to it being run by a normal user, no.
[20:57]  * ompaul sits back will talk when your finished 
[20:58]  * Myrtti huggles ompaul and gives a ginger snap
[20:58] <LjL> ompaul: oh, i'm not talking to chanserv today anyway
[20:58] <darklust> And what's this crap about nelson mandela on my desktop, if you guys don't believe in giving people second chances?
[20:58] <darklust> Isn't ubuntu a lifestyle?
[20:58] <ompaul> LjL, hmmm k
[20:58] <darklust> Or have I misunderstood.
[20:58] <LjL> darklust, enough crap already
[20:59] <LjL> we give second chances to people who deserve them
[20:59] <LjL> you're acting like a troll even right now
[20:59] <Tm_T> darklust: problem is, you don't use it as an excuse
[20:59] <LjL> so, no second chance for you today
[20:59] <darklust> Indeed.
[20:59] <darklust> Well there's not much I can do here now is there?
[21:00] <LjL> he got at least this part.
[21:00] <Tm_T> how droll
[21:00] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu-ops darklust
[21:00] <ubottu> The operation succeeded.
[21:01] <ompaul> well, I was serious, that has been coming a while, I feel no point in being an op, the idea that I was incoherent was strange for me
[21:01] <ompaul> as far as I know the removes / mutes made had justification, however I was really annoyed by the continual "why" or "that was a tad harsh" type comments
[21:02] <LjL> ompaul, i suggest that you stop wit this bold "i'm leaving forever", "remove my ops" and crap, and just stay away from irc for a while, and see if in a while you feel like coming back
[21:02] <Tm_T> (:)
[21:03] <Myrtti> LjL+1
[21:03] <ompaul> ok
[21:03] <Myrtti> after you left the channel I said that I take it as a personal insult if someone takes your ops away
[21:03] <Tm_T> ompaul: honestly, I would like to you to be around here, but not against your own will, so take a break and come hug us with fresh feels (:)
[21:03] <Myrtti> well, not with those words
[21:03] <ompaul> I asked
[21:03] <Myrtti> but anyway
[21:03] <Tm_T> ompaul: even if you asked
[21:03] <LjL> ompaul: and yes, i also personally believe some of your mutes and bans were a tad harsh. i suspect you, perhaps inconsciously, used them to make a point to other ops - i've done that too. think about it, but don't think about it right now, or you'll just convince yourself "it's all being done wrong"
[21:04] <ompaul> LjL, you know my opinion on that atm
[21:04] <LjL> ompaul: "atm" is the key.
[21:04] <ompaul> I don't think it will change see your comment 
[21:04] <ompaul> I have always thought that Bob Geldof said it best when he said
[21:04] <ompaul> in a TV interview
[21:04] <Myrtti> ompaul: just take a lil break, that's all
[21:05] <Myrtti> we don't want to miss you forever!
[21:05] <ompaul> I am right and I reserve the right as a human being to change my mind
[21:05] <LjL> ompaul: that's perfectly reasonable
[21:05] <ompaul> enjoy yerselvs
[21:05]  * Myrtti huggles ompaul 
[21:06] <ompaul> this time no grand gesture, just a 
[21:06] <ompaul> cheers
[21:06]  * Tm_T huggles ompaul tightly
[21:06] <Tm_T> bah
[21:06] <Tm_T> too late for this life
[21:13]  * Myrtti loves you all
[21:14]  * Tm_T huggles Myrtti with love and tender
[21:20] <MTecknology> I found a spelling error on http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/mirror
[21:20] <MTecknology> Where can I mention that?
[21:20] <Myrtti> launchpad
[21:20] <Pici> MTecknology: log a bug to the ubuntu-website project on launchpad.
[21:20] <MTecknology> oh - coulda stayed in -offtopic - hu?
[21:22] <LjL> when people shouldn't be in this channel, they are, when they should be, they think they shouldn't
[21:24] <Tm_T> LjL: Roger Moore?
[21:24]  * Tm_T hides
[21:25] <LjL> i never get any people references, anyway
[21:29]  * Myrtti feels jittery
[21:41] <LjL> !staff | CGI324 in #ubuntu, previously ToBePriest in #freenode
[21:41] <ubottu> CGI324 in #ubuntu, previously ToBePriest in #freenode: Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel, tomaw, Gary, Vorian or PriceChild, I could  use a bit of your time :)
[22:04] <jussi01> what is it with people today...
[22:07] <Myrtti> hello GM-Cosmo_PW
[22:07] <Myrtti> gimme a sec
[22:07]  * GM-Cosmo_PW gives Myrtti a 10mbit network card
[22:07] <Myrtti> yup yup
[22:07] <Myrtti> GM-Cosmo_PW: mind turning that off?
[22:07] <LjL> Myrtti, the fellow is a bot
[22:07] <GM-Cosmo_PW> sorry not sure why it is doing that
[22:07] <LjL> ah wait, you know already
[22:08] <LjL> or you wouldn't have said "gimme"
[22:08]  * GM-Cosmo_PW gives LjL a spoon
[22:08] <GM-Cosmo_PW> didnt realize it was doing that
[22:08] <Myrtti> no, we don't
[22:08] <LjL> GM-Cosmo_PW: well, if you don't manage to turn it off, you'll probably get a network-wide ban, so you better find out how to turn it off
[22:08] <Myrtti> LjL: yup
[22:08] <GM-Cosmo_PW> trying to turn it off now
[22:08] <LjL> gimme a kick, gimme a ban
[22:09] <LjL> gimme a sec
[22:09] <GM-Cosmo_PW> really sorry about that
[22:09] <LjL> GM-Cosmo_PW: i think you should be able to rejoin #ubuntu and speak now
[22:12] <GM-Cosmo_PW> sorry about that usually only look at the ubuntu channel if I'm having problems so didn t even notice it was doing that
[22:17] <ubottu> In ubottu, epifanio said: ohh .. is not possible to remove gnome and instalkl a minimal xfce ?
[22:17] <LjL> GM-Cosmo_PW, you weren't doing that only in #ubuntu...
[22:17] <LjL> epifanio, ubottu is a bot
[22:17] <LjL> !bot
[22:17] <ubottu> Hi! I'm #ubuntu-ops's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://tinyurl.com/5zfb6t - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[22:18] <epifanio> ohh .. is not possible to remove gnome and install a minimal xfce ?
[22:18] <LjL> epifanio, ask in #ubuntu, this is not the right channel
[22:18] <epifanio> the installation process is really long time consuming
[22:18] <epifanio> hooops  sorry !
[22:32] <ikonia> evening
[22:34] <Myrtti> the answer would have been !purexfce
[22:34] <Myrtti> !purexfce
[22:34] <ubottu> If you want to remove all !KDE and !Gnome packages and have a default !Xubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce »
[22:34] <LjL> too late for that
[22:46] <Myrtti> LjL: as I said, would have been
[22:55] <Myrtti> luvly
[22:55] <Myrtti> PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND                     6431 myrtti    20   0  228m  46m  17m S  153  1.2  55:34.25 skype
[22:58] <nalioth> wow
[22:58] <LjL> killall -9 skype; find / -iname '*skype*' -delete
[23:02] <LjL> wait a moment, not only you're helping emma, but you're helping her with *debian*?
[23:03] <Pici> Eh?
[23:03] <ikonia> I thought she wanted ubuntu ?
[23:03] <Pici> I thought it was an Ubuntu question
[23:03] <Pici> .
[23:03] <ikonia> yes, me too
[23:03] <LjL> ah, maybe maybe. she mentioned wanting or not wanting Lenny
[23:03] <ikonia> no problem helping her with any ubuntu issues
[23:03] <ikonia> just wont engage with social interaction
[23:03] <LjL> good luck with avoiding that :P
[23:04] <ikonia> Hmmm maybe a quick ps3 factoid required, explaining its a PPC and the link to linux/ubuntu on ps3
[23:22] <LjL> *** You have kicked yourself from the channel (You know why!).
[23:22] <LjL> that was wonderful.
[23:23] <ikonia> ?
[23:23] <LjL> ikonia: -ot
[23:24] <ikonia> genius
[23:29] <LjL> (#ubuntu) [00:29:31] --> BigBear has joined this channel (n=John_Nel@c-98-216-40-179.hsd1.ma.comcast.net).
[23:30] <Pici> That mask sounds familiar.
[23:30] <LjL> uh oh, joined -offtopic too
[23:30] <LjL> Pici: quite familiar yes
[23:30] <ikonia> I'm interested in administrator becoming techsupport he's known 
[23:31] <LjL> say again?
[23:31] <Pici> What?
[23:31] <ikonia> the user "administrator" who just became the user "techsupport" in #ubuntu
[23:31] <LjL> oh
[23:31] <Pici> Oh
[23:32] <LjL> hmpf, john_nel already started trolling -offtopic
[23:33] <LjL> ikonia: well it's hard to say from the hostname
[23:34] <ikonia> the nick administraot becoming techsupport is familier
[23:35] <LjL> well, not to the bantracker... there's one "administrator" ban in #kubuntu but that's all
[23:35] <Pici> Feisty support ends soon... we should clean up some of those factoids in a few days
[23:37] <LjL> i'll fire up my random nickname generator to decide who does it
[23:37] <LjL> ⚄
[23:37] <LjL> ⚃
[23:37] <LjL> ⚂
[23:37] <Pici> !roll
[23:37] <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about roll
[23:38] <LjL> Pici
[23:38] <LjL> !aubade
[23:38] <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about aubade
[23:38] <ikonia> !dice
[23:38] <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dice
[23:38] <LjL> !aubade-#ubuntu-offtopic
[23:38] <ubottu> Roll!
[23:38] <Pici> LjL
[23:38] <LjL> ikonia: my (connected) logs have him joining as "techsupport" since start of September
[23:39] <ikonia> LjL: Hmmm, maybe someone else then
[23:39] <LjL> ikonia: he changed from Administrator_ to techsupport yesterday, as well as today
[23:39] <ikonia> he's behaving fine, no problem, just rings a bell
[23:39] <Pici> The user administrator is a common windows username, I don't put much faith in seeing that in an ident as a unique identifier.
[23:39] <LjL> yeah
[23:40] <LjL> a common windows username that shouldn't be used, but anyway
[23:42] <PriceChild> Has snuxoll always been an -ot regular?
[23:42] <LjL> for quite some time PriceChild
[23:42] <Pici> Indeed.
[23:43] <LjL> although a moderately troublesome one for some time too
[23:43] <Pici> A few months at least.
[23:43] <LjL> more, more
[23:43] <Pici> 'at least'
[23:44] <LjL> [Tue Sep 25 2007] [16:27:16] Join       Snuxoll has joined this channel (n=stefan@71-34-222-236.spkn.qwest.net).
[23:44] <LjL> [Tue Sep 25 2007] [16:27:37] <Snuxoll>  Hey all (I'm FIRESIDE91....now you no longer need to shout my name :p)
[23:44] <LjL> [Tue Sep 25 2007] [16:28:11] <Pici>     SNUXOLL
[23:45] <Pici> really?
[23:45] <LjL> so it seems
[23:46] <Myrtti> since ages
[23:47] <LjL> [00:46:45] *** BigBear is now known as Fartfurnace.
[23:47] <LjL> alright, can i ask him to change nicks? can i?
[23:47] <Myrtti> are you having problems with snuxoll? he's nowadays probably one of the most levelheaded ones
[23:47] <LjL> [ as for snuxoll, he wasn't fireside for very long, according to my logs. although i thought he was SNuxoll for a while)
[23:47] <Myrtti> for a loooooong time
[23:47] <LjL> Myrtti, so so. he's ok nowadays but i still have bad memories.
[23:47] <Pici> I didn't realize he was there for that long.
[23:48] <Myrtti> I've taught him well
[23:48] <LjL> and i wouldn't say "one of the most levelheaded ones"
[23:48] <LjL> he's one of the regulars
[23:48] <LjL> you can't be a regular if you aren't levelheaded *at all*
[23:48] <Myrtti> LjL: well in comparison to many
[23:48] <LjL> Pici well it's a year, not a decade
[23:48] <Hobbsee> LjL: actually, i don't know about that.  He's had some pretty interesting ideas, sometimes.
[23:48] <Pici> LjL: ...
[23:49] <Pici> Hobbsee: Interesting good, or interesting bad?
[23:49] <Hobbsee> Pici: interesting good, mostly.
[23:49] <Hobbsee> Pici: i was slightly disappointed to see that some of them didn't get implemented.
[23:49] <Hobbsee> he also did pretty well against the unmentionable one.
[23:49]  * nalioth also has bad memories of snuxoll
[23:50] <Hobbsee> whether he's been bad in the past though, i'm not one to comment
[23:50] <Pici> I remember some good things, some bad things.
[23:51] <LjL> [Thu Nov 15 2007] [23:50:21] <Tm_T>     even snuxoll were abusing the bot
[23:51] <LjL> [Thu Nov 15 2007] [23:50:59] <Seveas>   OldPink, snuxoll is on our radar as well
[23:51] <LjL> [Tue Nov 20 2007] [04:14:09] <mneptok>  22:06 < Snuxoll> mneptok: Bug off, people can do what they damn well please
[23:51] <LjL> [Tue Nov 20 2007] [04:14:09] <mneptok>  22:06 < Snuxoll> mneptok: You don't have to be an ass either
[23:51] <LjL> (then he was banned)
[23:52] <Pici> That was #ubuntu iirc.
[23:52] <LjL> dunno
[23:52] <LjL> that is from -ops
[23:52] <Pici> I know, but I think was regarding a situation in #u
[23:53] <Pici> PriceChild was this question regarding anything, or just to satisfy your curiousity?
[23:53] <ikonia> Fartfurnace in ubuntu....is that acceptable ?
[23:53] <ikonia> I saw ljl ask but didnt see the answer
[23:54] <LjL> ikonia: i suppose i could pretend i didn't see that, but considering *which* user that one is.
[23:54] <ikonia> is that snuxoll (I wasn't paying attention, sorry)
[23:54] <LjL> he's already asked about filesystems allocating inodes dynamically before, by the way. don't remember if that was an attempt at trolling though
[23:54] <LjL> ikonia, no, he's a fellow who was banned seeeeveral times (but not from #Ubuntu - yet)
[23:54] <LjL> ikonia: search for john_nel in the bt
[23:55] <LjL> always changes nicknames
[23:55] <ikonia> ok, I'll ask him to change it then
[23:55] <Pici> good luck
[23:55] <PriceChild> Pici: unrelated curiosity
[23:56] <ikonia> that was easy
[23:56] <LjL> pity, i'd rather have banned him
[23:59] <LjL> anyway mind, snuxoll is ok right now, i didn't mean to say he should still be "on the radar"