2008/06/29/#ubuntu-ops.txt

[01:19] <ubottu> In ubottu, esac said: !jdk is <reply> jdk is the Java SE Development Kit which includes the Java Runtime Environment (JRE) as well as command-line tools for development of Java applets. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java for installing Java as well as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_Development_Kit
[01:33] <elky> ok, should ubottu be opped up to stop the floodbot fighting with it?
[01:34] <esac> cant floodbot just give ubottu an exception ?
[01:40] <elky> it'd be possible, yes. except the maintainer is awol
[01:41]  * nickrud wonders when he enlisted :->
[01:42] <elky> heh
[01:42] <elky> when he accepted the op post :Þ
[01:42] <nickrud> crap
[01:43] <elky> hehe
[01:44] <esac> am i able to add content directly to ubottu or does it have to be approved by an ubuntu-op first ?
[01:44] <nickrud> esac needs review first, too many people were abusing it back when
[01:45] <esac> understood :)
[01:45] <nickrud> esac shorter is better, more likely to get added
[01:46] <elky> not sure about the wikipedia link either
[01:49] <esac> np ill modify when i get back. i though wikipedia links would be liked :)
[01:49] <esac> such a beautiful day, i need to drink beer and grill
[01:51] <nickrud> hm, fried chicken. Maybe a steak. Good idea
[01:53] <elky> considering anyone can change a wikipedia page....
[02:10] <ubottu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (CTCP/NOTICE)
[02:10] <ubottu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (CTCP/NOTICE)
[04:52] <ubot3> In #ubuntuforums-beginners, m_newton said: !learn lol is lol
[04:59] <esac> and hence thats why we need moderation
[05:03] <elky> yes
[05:03] <elky> and all the people who merely respond to the messages they get sent, not realising it's a bot
[05:07] <m_newton> lol
[06:08] <ubottu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, eboyjr said: !meaningoflife is <reply> The meaning of life is the meaning of ubuntu.
[06:10] <Madpilot> ubottu, meaningoflife  is <reply>42.
[06:10] <ubottu> In #ubuntu-ops, Madpilot said: ubottu, meaningoflife  is <reply>42.
[06:10] <Madpilot> gah
[06:11] <Madpilot> what's the login proc for this new improved bot?
[06:14] <Hobbsee> ~login
[06:14] <ubot3> login: system login tools. In component main, is required. Version 1:4.0.18.2-1ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 256 kB, installed size 2868 kB
[06:14] <Hobbsee> @login
[06:14] <ubottu> Hobbsee: The operation succeeded.
[06:14] <Hobbsee> ubottu, meaningoflife  is <reply>42.
[06:14] <ubottu> I'll remember that, Hobbsee
[06:14] <Hobbsee> Madpilot: ^
[06:14] <Madpilot> @login
[06:15] <ubottu> Madpilot: The operation succeeded.
[06:15] <Madpilot> silly bot
[06:20] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:26] <nickrud> crazy brits, think adams is a decent writer
[06:31] <Madpilot> <== not a Brit. Won't dispute the crazy part.
[06:32] <nickrud> bc'ers are displaced brits, I'm from seattle. Seen it ;)
[06:33] <nickrud> I mean, Victoria? High Tea at that quintessential british hotel?
[06:34] <Madpilot> nickrud, quintessential tourist trap, you mean
[06:35] <nickrud> heh. sorta like the space needle
[06:36] <Madpilot> exactly
[06:37] <Madpilot> I'm going to try to get down to Seattle sometime later this year - should ping you for beer and such if you're in the area
[06:37] <nickrud> ah, now I'm in LA. Trying to schedule something with Jack_Sparrow
[06:39] <nickrud> haven't actually lived in seattle since the mid 90's, been steadily rolling down the coast
[06:41] <Madpilot> if you down to LA, you're about to run out of American coastline. How's the Spanish, senor?
[06:45] <nickrud> sucky. Oh, so sucky
[06:45] <nickrud> I am a classic monolingual americano
[07:20] <bazhang> m_newton, how may we help you
[07:24] <bazhang> m_newton, please read the /topic; if you have nothing pressing then please /part
[07:31] <bazhang> !idle > m_newton
[07:31] <ubottu> m_newton, please see my private message
[07:43] <nickrud> http://www.shelleytherepublican.com/2007/08/18/ubuntu-%E2%80%93-why-it-is-wrong-for-america.aspx#comments
[07:48] <elky> wow, they got a really good photo of mneptok: http://www.shelleytherepublican.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/10000200000001900000013599b0e8a1.png
[07:48]  * bazhang wonders who the extra idlers are
[07:50] <ubottu> In ubottu, raitann said: what is the best network manager
[07:50] <ubottu> In ubottu, raitann said: x is the best y
[07:50] <elky> esac, m_newton, we like to keep this channel relatively clear of idlers. thanks.
[07:51] <ubottu> In ubottu, raitann said: what is the best network manager?
[07:55] <bazhang> Eleaf is back in #ubuntu
[07:56] <bazhang> elky, ^^
[07:56] <elky> bazhang, yes, we're giving him a chance to earn another holiday
[07:57] <bazhang> okay elky
[08:28]  * jussi01 wakes up
[10:32] <ompaul> !whoami
[10:32] <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about whoami
[10:32] <ompaul> @login
[10:32] <ubottu> ompaul: The operation succeeded.
[10:54] <kahrytan> may I have my ban on #ubuntu-offtopic lifted, please?
[11:03] <Jack_Sparrow> were you using another nick?
[11:04] <kahrytan> no, Jack_Sparrow
[11:04] <Jack_Sparrow> When were you banned?
[11:05] <kahrytan> #ubuntu-offtopic Banlist: Thu Jun 12 05:01:18 *!kahrytan@* douglas.freenode.net
[11:06] <kahrytan> that was sooner then that.
[11:06] <kahrytan> oh wait, thats right. that was a ban due to a compliant filed.
[11:09] <PriceChild> kahrytan: why do you want the ban lifted?
[11:10] <Jack_Sparrow> PriceChild thanks for taking over on this..
[11:10] <kahrytan> PriceChild, If you are worried i would go back in there, I wouldn't. But If I have to due to help in #ubuntu going offtopic, i can at least have option to following the rules.
[11:12] <PriceChild> kahrytan: could you reword that please? I'm confused.
[11:14] <kahrytan> PriceChild, i have no desire to rejoin -offtopic community. But I would like it removed so when I am in #ubuntu and help goes -offtopic, i can take it to -offtopic like the rules say. Additionally, i just like to see it removed so I know its not lifetime ban and I have option to rejoining if I wanted too.
[11:16] <Jack_Sparrow> kahrytan have you been kicked and or banned in ubuntu as well in the past
[11:17] <kahrytan> Jack_Sparrow,  i think PC is aware of that.
[11:24] <kahrytan> PriceChild,  So, the decision?
[11:30] <Myrtti> good morning
[11:31] <kahrytan> Aloha. Myrtti
[11:35] <PriceChild> kahrytan: I wouldn't like to make a decision on my own, its not my ban etc. We can see what others think. I don't however think this is a pressing issue, -offtopic is not a required channel for any part of contributing in the Ubuntu community, and there are plenty of other offtopic channels out there on the network.
[11:36] <kahrytan> there is one more thing .... You might consider removing one of emma's bans. There is two in the list.
[11:36] <PriceChild> Something to keep in mind as right now for example I have to run for a little.
[11:36] <PriceChild> kahrytan: in -offtopic's?
[11:37] <kahrytan> yes
[11:37] <kahrytan> i notced shes there twice
[11:38] <kahrytan> she has a cloak now too
[11:38] <PriceChild> kahrytan: I don't think that is anything to concern you to be blatantly honest. We're in pretty regular contact with emma, and things are going well.
[11:39] <kahrytan> PriceChild, you will be talking to the council arent you?
[11:39] <PriceChild> kahrytan: pardon?
[11:41] <kahrytan> PriceChild,  by others, you mean the council
[11:41] <jussi01> Afternoon all
[11:42] <PriceChild> kahrytan: although the decision will more than likely rest with them, I want to see what others (by which I mean everyone) thinks.
[11:42] <PriceChild> Hey jussi01.
[11:44] <PriceChild> kahrytan: I'm going afk for a little, will reply if I find anything left for me when I return.
[11:47] <bazhang> he was recommending linux mint in main channel the other day.
[11:54] <elky> for what reason?
[12:00] <Myrtti> merh
[12:00] <Jack_Sparrow> elky bazhang  please review comment in channel awhile back ...  I removed him after more comments in pm, but would like your opinion about this
[12:01] <Jack_Sparrow> trask
[12:01] <Myrtti> I still get my teeth on edge whenever that indian feller in -ot sir's or ma'ams people
[12:01] <Jack_Sparrow> grep ubuntusatanic from our logs
[12:02] <elky> Myrtti, yeah, i know
[12:03] <Myrtti> Jack_Sparrow: what about ubuntu satanic?
[12:03] <Jack_Sparrow> I removed trask as he felt that it was suitable topic in ubuntu
[12:04] <Jack_Sparrow> ubuntusatanic was the start of the problem/discussion
[12:04] <Myrtti> oh, right
[12:04] <Jack_Sparrow> trask and jeeves__
[12:23] <Myrtti> there's nothing wrong per se about Ubuntu SE (apart that it's a bit offtopic for #ubuntu), but the discussion after it was most definitely not suitable
[12:24] <Myrtti> oh doodah
[12:25] <Myrtti> I've misplaced my phone and am afraid to move in case I'd drop it
[12:25] <Myrtti> >___<
[12:25] <Myrtti> ha, there it was, on the edge...
[12:29] <Jack_Sparrow> Atta girl.living on the edge
[13:01] <ubottu> In #ubuntu, Vixus said: Ubottu's !dvd hint is useless.
[13:03] <Myrtti> !dvd
[13:03] <ubottu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[13:34] <jussi01> right...
[13:45] <Hobbsee> i've spoken with kahrytan about how he should not confuse people by using the wrong terminology.
[13:45] <Hobbsee> if the situation in +1 happens again (or -devel), please act appropriately there.
[13:45] <Hobbsee> (he's had his warning, and appears to be doing it because he can't be bothered to use the correct terminology)
[13:54] <elky> heh
[14:39] <ompaul> well it appears that kahrytan is banned from -offtopic and I can't see the ban
[14:39] <ompaul> which begs the question is it an akick
[14:39] <Hobbsee> +d?
[14:40] <ompaul> perhaps
[14:40] <ompaul> PriceChild, ^^ is that to be lifted?
[14:40] <Hobbsee> it's ident and nick, it looks like.
[14:40] <ompaul> if it is that
[14:40]  * ompaul goes to look again
[14:42] <PriceChild> ompaul: I don't know, would rather not choose myself.
[14:43] <ompaul> well he told me he is against the GPL, not oss  so I have to figure he is trolling me
[14:43] <ompaul> and I can't deal with that
[14:44] <Hobbsee> he was looking to licence his stuff under the bsd licence, so i doubt he's against open source.
[14:44] <Hobbsee> because it's more free and open
[14:44] <ompaul> say some
[14:45] <ompaul> and then say other
[14:45] <ompaul> s
[14:46] <Myrtti> opinions are like farts - everyone has them and they all smell bad alike
[14:46] <bazhang> his logic for being reinstated is kinda weird though
[14:46] <Jack_Sparrow> PriceChild kahrytan has been anything but a model citizen in our community of Uubntu as well
[14:46] <PriceChild> He's found the bsd license which e agrees with
[14:47] <PriceChild> ompaul: ^
[14:47] <ompaul> Myrtti, and you can just about stand your own :P
[14:48] <Myrtti> exactly
[14:48] <ompaul> frankly I am going to push him here to be dealt with - cos I no longer have interest - as I feel a conflict of interest is there
[14:48] <Hobbsee> ompaul: for you to unban him from -offtopic?
[14:48]  * Hobbsee thought the CC was supposed to deal with it, anyway.
[14:49] <ompaul> yeap well he is in #ubuntu is he not?
[14:49] <ompaul> I have asked him to put me on /ignore ;-)
[14:49] <Hobbsee> he's in +1 too, but i fail to see how that's relevant?
[14:54] <ompaul> I thought he was banned globally from many channels, where the ircc had control but obviously I am missing something
[15:00] <Hobbsee> ompaul: you might try asking for a list of ircc decisions that are in effect, added to the wiki or something, to attempt to reduce confusion.  i'm unsure of the specifics
[15:01] <ompaul> Hobbsee, good idea
[15:01] <PriceChild> I don't "think" we made any decisions with kahrytan? He was just banned in places and complained to the CC?
[15:01] <ompaul> ahh
[15:01] <ompaul> well
[15:01] <Hobbsee> wasn't that months ago?
[15:01] <PriceChild> yep
[15:02] <ompaul> PriceChild, go check this out if you want to waste some time in a good way :)  http://www.linuxelectrons.com/news/linux/16774/greg-kroah-hartman-linux-kernel
[15:02] <Hobbsee> so, why hasn't anything happened yet?
[15:03] <ompaul> cos the there was no decision afik
[15:03] <ompaul> thats a howl
[15:03] <ompaul> thats a howl
[15:03] <ompaul> * Hobbsee has quit ("Coyote finally caught me")
[15:03] <PriceChild> I think the end result was that we didn't need to make a decision.
[15:03] <Hobbsee> heh
[15:09] <ubottu> IdleOne called the ops in #ubuntu (redbull)
[15:12] <Myrtti> redbull is working himself to be banned, I banned him yesterday once
[15:20] <bazhang> esac m_newton please dont idle.
[15:23] <bazhang> !idle | esac m_newton
[15:23] <ubottu> esac m_newton: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only, and we ask you to part when you have no further business here, in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries.
[15:25] <Tm_T> ompaul: err, that page is interesting, no background color defined though style needs white
[15:26] <ompaul> Tm_T, complain to the devs file a bug ;-)
[15:28] <Tm_T> ompaul: perhaps ;)
[15:28] <ompaul> the system they use should never have let that happen
[15:28] <Tm_T> ompaul: just very typical "design flaw" for me to see, using dark back and light colors
[15:40] <m_newton> bazhang, srry, i was gone... I got to go now to... Sry for idoling
[15:40]  * m_newton is away: loligaging at the wee hours of nite; just to say hi to all and host my server.
[15:40] <bazhang> m_newton, please /part
[15:44] <jussi01> got sick of everyone asking...
[15:44] <bazhang> esac still remains :)
[15:45] <bazhang> its no nevermind to me btw
[15:46] <jussi01> I love ppa's on a sunday - no build queues :D
[15:48]  * Hobbsee loves having power to reprio builds.
[15:49] <Myrtti> merh
[15:54] <jussi01> Hobbsee: shut up...
[15:54] <jussi01> :P
[15:59] <Tm_T> hmmmm
[16:00] <Tm_T> ompaul: "...so Canonical doesn't give back to community" interesting statement, perhaps pr etc etc isn't "giving back" ;)
[16:01] <ompaul> Tm_T, that is GKH but I will defend canonical with the phrase lies damn lies and statistics ;-)
[16:01] <ompaul> and note what I said there ;-)
[16:02] <Tm_T> ompaul: yup :)
[17:04] <bazhang> <CWii> Nimblefinger, Wireless is hit or miss.
[17:05] <Pici> meh
[17:05] <bazhang> robg come to life again
[17:05] <bazhang> his answer is google it for most everything.
[17:10] <bazhang> neo_the_user was unbanned?
[17:11] <Pici> @btlogin
[17:12] <Pici> Looks like it
[17:13] <Jack_Sparrow> Not by me.. I hope..
[17:13] <Jack_Sparrow> FYI I just buried Hardy
[17:17] <nalioth> bazhang: is neo_the_user being troublesome?
[17:18] <bazhang> nalioth, he quit; moderately offtopic before that though
[17:19] <bazhang> am more concerned about CWii at this point
[18:16]  * Myrtti waves her plate full of mushrooms filled with Mustapekka cheese wrapped in bacon under jussi01's nose
[18:18] <Myrtti> ommmm nommmmm nommmmm
[18:23] <Tm_T> hmm
[18:26]  * jussi01 sadly eats his billy's pizza...
[18:27] <Nafallo> ...yea, cause I obviously wasn't hungry enough already :-P
[18:27]  * Nafallo /ignores IRC for a bit ;-)
[18:28] <Myrtti> LOL
[18:29] <Myrtti> at least I didn't take pictures and put them into Flickr _this_ time
[18:29]  * Myrtti snickers
[18:32] <TheSheep> food?
[18:33]  * jussi01 eats TheSheep
[18:36] <Myrtti> jussi01: the Finnish way?
[18:37] <jussi01> huh?
[18:39] <Myrtti> Rosvopaisti
[18:39] <Myrtti> (cattle thief way of cooking meat)
[18:40] <jussi01> no idea...
[18:40] <jussi01> picture?
[18:41] <Myrtti> dig a hole, put rocks in the bottom, build a fire, let it burn to coals, dig some of the hot rocks out, wrap the meat into tinfoil / baking paper / wet newspaper or what ever you got, put in the hole, toss the hot rocks on top, bury with the sand, keep buried for 12 - 24 hrs
[18:42] <Myrtti> makes excellent MUTTON and chicken
[18:42] <Myrtti> :-P
[18:56] <jussi01> Myrtti: too long a cook time...
[19:00] <Myrtti> true, but works great on also not so tender meat ;-)
[19:00]  * Myrtti pokes TheSheep 
[19:04] <ubottu> SeveredCross called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[19:05] <jussi01> yay for idiots...
[19:05] <Myrtti> indeed
[19:05] <nickrud> malice is not idiotic, but evil
[19:06]  * jussi01 disagrees - its both
[19:07] <jussi01> idiotic because all it gets him is a ban...
[19:12] <nickrud> could care less about him, and he probably didn't care (malicious people are the prime ban evaders anyway)
[19:12] <nickrud> I would expect that is
[20:04]  * Myrtti sighs
[20:15] <jussi01> someone who is an -offtopic op should have a peek in there... at certain links...
[20:15]  * Myrtti looks
[20:17] <PriceChild> uuu I heard the best song lyric today
[20:17] <PriceChild> "every squirrel has a pearl of wisdom"
[20:17] <jussi01> rofl PriceChild what kind of song was that?
[20:18]  * ompaul looks at PriceChild 
[20:18] <PriceChild> it was on kerrang
[20:18] <ompaul> should I search for that lyric
[20:18] <jussi01> kerrrang?
[20:18] <PriceChild> oh wait sorry
[20:18] <PriceChild> "ever squirrel shares a pearl of wisdom"
[20:19] <jussi01> TORRRREEEESSSSS
[20:19] <jussi01> oh, sorry.... :D
[20:19] <Myrtti> jussi01: enjoying my dvb-t tuner?
[20:19]  * Myrtti sings to Eagles
[20:19] <jussi01> Myrtti: nah, Im watching it on the 32" tele :D
[20:19] <Myrtti> bourgeois
[20:20] <jussi01> but the tuner has been _fantastic_
[20:20] <Myrtti> great that it works better for you than for me
[20:20] <jussi01> :)
[20:27]  * jussi01 waits...
[20:27] <Myrtti> hmm?
[20:27] <jussi01> see #u
[20:28] <ompaul> jussi01, he is dead I killed him
[20:28] <jussi01> I noticed...
[20:28] <jussi01> repeatoffender?
[20:28] <Myrtti> ypu
[20:29] <ompaul> jussi01, well known
[20:29] <jussi01> ahh, understand then
[21:38] <jussi01> :D :D :D
[22:16] <jussi01> someone remind me how to get chanserv into a channel permanently?
[22:16] <jpds> jussi01: /cs help set guard
[22:16] <jussi01> jpds: thanks :D
[22:17]  * jpds hugs jussi01 
[22:18]  * jussi01 hugs jpds back
[22:18]  * Myrtti takes a screenshot
[22:19]  * jpds hugs Myrtti quickly for the snap.
[22:48]  * Myrtti sighs