2008/05/25/#ubuntu-motu.txt

[00:07] <sebner> gn8 folks
[00:26] <Amaranth> wow, it is apparently not possible to get those Peace cigarettes outside of Japan
[00:27] <Amaranth> oh, persia isn't even here :P
[00:36] <Laney> nxvl: Nice photos!
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[01:59] <nxvl> Laney: thnx
[02:05] <emgent> hey nxvl :)
[02:06]  * ScottK is home.
[02:06] <emgent> heya ScottK :)
[02:06] <ScottK> Heya emgent.
[02:10] <pwnguin> anyone know the key combo to make a window more opaque in compiz?
[02:32] <vorian> hello!
[02:32] <vorian> I'm trying POD > man, and I keep getting manpage-has-bad-whatis-entry.
[02:33] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:33] <bddebian> What-is should be in the form   executable \- short description
[02:34] <vorian> hmm
[02:39] <vorian> retry :)
[02:39] <vorian> thanks
[02:49] <RAOF> Hm.  Given a netboot usb stick, is it possible to get it to grab intrepid rather than hardy?
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[04:04] <madrazr> Hi all, I want an help regarding debian source package management.
[04:04] <madrazr> I did an apt-get source package and made few changes to the package
[04:05] <madrazr> and also built the binary .debs using dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc
[04:05] <madrazr> some 3 or 4 weeks back.
[04:06] <madrazr> then I forgot to make the changlelog entries, but now I want to make those entries but unfortunately I dont remember where all the changes I made
[04:06] <madrazr> I also want to create patches of these changes now
[04:06] <madrazr> I am not getting how to do this, can some help?
[04:07] <madrazr> please
[04:07] <RAOF> madrazr: You're probably looking for the debdiff command; 'debdiff oldpackage.dsc newpackage.dsc' will give you a diff containing all the changes you made.
[04:07] <madrazr> RAOF: newpackage.dsc will be created?
[04:08] <madrazr> because I dont think created source debian packages
[04:08] <RAOF> madrazr: No; newpackage.dsc is the dsc file for your changed package.
[04:08] <madrazr> RAOF: ok wait will check out
[04:14] <madrazr> RAOF: there are no 2 .dsc files
[04:15] <RAOF> madrazr: You still have your modified source package, right?  You can debuild -S to get an updated .dsc for the modified package, and grab the original, Ubuntu source with apt-get source.
[04:16] <madrazr> ok will try now
[04:17] <madrazr> RAOF: aren't there any alternatives?
[04:17] <madrazr> I just want the patch file nothing else
[04:17] <madrazr> meaning diff files
[04:17] <RAOF> It depends on what you've actually done; there almost certainly are alternatives.
[04:18] <RAOF> But debdiff will just be easier, and will get you all the changes you made.
[04:18] <madrazr> I will explain, I did apt-get source parted
[04:18] <madrazr> made some 3-4 changes
[04:19] <madrazr> I dont remember all the 4, I only remember 2
[04:19] <madrazr> then I created .deb files
[04:19] <madrazr> only binaries
[04:19] <madrazr> now I want the diff files
[04:20] <madrazr> of what all changes I created
[04:20] <RAOF> Debdiff will do that for you.
[04:20] <RAOF> Oh.  Do you still have your source changes around?
[04:21] <madrazr> yes
[04:21] <RAOF> Then debdiff.  (If you didn't, what you ask would be impossible).
[04:22] <RAOF> You'll need a copy of the unmodified source (apt-get source will provide this) and of your changed source (which you have).  Debdiff then basically automates the process of finding the diff.
[04:23] <madrazr> say now I will have 2 directories partedMod with my modified source and parted with original source
[04:23] <madrazr> by just running debdiff partedMod/parted.dsc parted/parted.dsc
[04:23] <madrazr> will I get the diff files?
[04:24] <RAOF> Yes; assuming partedMod/parted.dsc has been generated from your modified source package.
[04:24] <madrazr> I am not able to generate that
[04:24] <RAOF> Why not?
[04:24] <madrazr> because of some problem here
[04:25] <madrazr> debuild is not getting installed
[04:25] <madrazr> now
[04:25] <madrazr> infact some problem with synaptic
[04:25] <madrazr> I will try sometime later
[04:25] <RAOF> You can manually diff -Nur oldsourcedir newsourcedir if you want.  That should also get you a diff.
[04:26] <madrazr> oh ok sooper I will try this then
[06:22] <artfwo> Hello! I'm having a problem with uscan reporting a newer version: current is 3.2 and it thinks 3.2RC6 is new. Anyone knows how to fix this? Thanks.
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[09:11] <Hobbsee> siretart: +25 @ your mail!
[09:51] <siretart> Hobbsee: I sent two mails
[09:52] <Hobbsee> siretart: er, the one about the bugsquad missing the point.
[09:52] <siretart> aah, right
[09:52] <siretart> TBH, I don't see the point in the bugsquad having a seperate mailing list. I think they should discuss on ubuntu-motu or even ubuntu-devel
[09:54] <Hobbsee> yeah, true
[09:59] <andrew_sayers> Beyond OSI approval, does Ubuntu have any standard guidance about licensing?  For example, could using the BSDL prompt a religious debate?
[10:04] <geser> andrew_sayers: if you mean the BSD license, it's common enough to got included in /usr/share/common-licenses, so feel free to use it
[10:05] <andrew_sayers> geser: ok thanks, I'll get back to pondering then :)
[10:11] <stephanecharette> noob here.  Question:  is this the right place to ask how/when certain packages are updated?
[10:11] <stephanecharette> I'm the release manager for GRAMPS (on SourceForge)
[10:12] <stephanecharette> Ubuntu 8.04 still lists GRAMPS at version 2.2, though we're now at version 3.0.1
[10:12] <stephanecharette> I'm curious to know how the process works to get one of our newer versions listed
[10:13] <stephanecharette> same questions, but applied to Graphviz
[10:14] <stephanecharette> latest stable release is 2.18, but Ubuntu 8.04 lists Graphviz v2.16
[10:15] <stephanecharette> hello?
[10:20] <stephanecharette> Anyone actually here?
[10:20] <RAOF> Yes?
[10:20] <stephanecharette> you missed my question just above your login
[10:20] <stephanecharette> here it is:
[10:21] <RAOF> The answer would be: hardy has been released, and will not be recieving new versions*.
[10:21] <stephanecharette> ok
[10:21] <stephanecharette> I see
[10:21] <RAOF> * Some exceptions being: (very unlikely) a bugfix release released as a Stable Release Upgrade.
[10:21] <stephanecharette> so new versions of packages have to wait until 8.10?
[10:21] <RAOF> * A backport from Intrepid.  This requires the new version be *in* Intrepid.
[10:22] <stephanecharette> how do we make certain this time our new version is in Intrepid, since it didn't seem to have been picked up in 8.04?
[10:23] <ruiboon> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/gramps shows that 3.0.1-1 has been published in Intrepid
[10:24] <stephanecharette> thanks -- I see
[10:24] <stephanecharette> but https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/graphviz seems to indicate it is still 2.16
[10:25] <stephanecharette> how do we get the 2.18 into Intrepid?
[10:27] <geser> usually new version come into intrepid from Debian unstable
[10:27] <geser> but in case of graphviz Ubuntu has some additional changes which needs to be merged
[10:28] <geser> I expect to see graphviz merged in the next few weeks as currently nearly every developer works on merges
[10:28] <stephanecharette> thank you for the answers
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[11:22]  * StevenK appears.
[11:22] <RAOF> Wooo!
[11:22] <StevenK> (In Singapore)
[11:22] <RAOF> Angels descend
[11:22]  * StevenK waves to RAOF 
[11:22] <RAOF> Howdie.
[11:23] <RAOF> So you're not interested in one or two uploads to debian then :)
[11:23] <StevenK> Wanna be in Sydney now.
[11:23]  * persia cheers the infinite efficiency of packet-based networks as applied to air travel
[11:23] <StevenK> RAOF: Not really. :-) Beg me tomorrow?
[11:23] <RAOF> Anyone else you know on your flights?
[11:23] <StevenK> RAOF: TheMuso is sitting next to me.
[11:24] <StevenK> RAOF: lifeless is the flight too, apparently.
[11:24] <StevenK> is on, even
[11:24] <RAOF> And jml?
[11:24] <StevenK> Not sure about jml.
[11:24] <StevenK> persia: Where are you hiding?
[11:25] <persia> StevenK: I've been home for about 4 hours.
[11:25] <StevenK> persia: Lucky
[11:25] <persia> StevenK: No.  Just northerly
[11:25] <StevenK> Heh
[11:25] <RAOF> Air travel sucks.  We should tunnel through the earth.
[11:25] <StevenK> Haha
[11:25] <RAOF> Let gravity do the work for us!
[11:25] <persia> RAOF: it:s only 43 minutes point-to-point that way, but a little warm.
[11:26] <RAOF> I'm sure you could use an evacuated tube.
[11:26] <RAOF> I mean, we have science, right?
[11:26] <RAOF> It should work for us!
[11:26] <StevenK> I have another seven-eight hour flight. :-(
[11:26] <persia> RAOF: Sure.  It's still warm.  If you use an air-filled tube, it's slow, but even evacuated, there's still friction.  We need better maglev first.
[11:27] <persia> On the other hand, 43 minutes PRA->SYD would make StevenK have to travel more often.
[11:27] <RAOF> Why friction?  We just drill a _perfectly_ straight hole, right through the centre :)
[11:27] <RAOF> And hope that our scheduling is good enough to not cause collisions.
[11:28] <persia> RAOF: That limits your destinations, and then you get pressure heat from the earth.  I believe the best path is cosecant, but I haven't looked at the math for those tunnels in years.
[11:28] <RAOF> Actually, you're almost certainly right.
[11:29] <persia> I also seem to remember there being some limitation with nearness.  I think you have to pass over more than about 15 degrees of curvature for it to make sense.  It may be that one has to travel to a different continent to reach short-hop destinations, with a transfer.
[11:30] <persia> Errr.  "pass under"
[11:30] <RAOF> But at 43 minutes a pop, that's still cost-efficient.
[11:30] <StevenK> Air travel can still be used for short-hop destinations.
[11:30] <persia> Well, time-efficient.  I don't really want to consider the municipal-works budget.
[11:31] <StevenK> Say, an hour from Sydney to Frankfurt, and then an hour from Frankfurt to Prague. Works for me.
[11:31] <persia> StevenK: I guess.  Air-travel is about 1 hour per 10 degrees of curvature, right?
[11:31] <persia> (assuming no transfer)
[11:32] <persia> Also, technically, Sydney->Frankfurt might be hard.  I think more than about 60 degrees gets under the mantle (but I haven't looked at the math in years)
[11:32] <StevenK> Which means Sydney -> Singapore first?
[11:33] <persia> Without looking at a globe, something like that.  Sydney -> Singapore (under) for an hour, Singapore -> Frankfurt (under) for an hour, Frankfurt->Prague (over) for an hour.
[11:34] <StevenK> I daresay I don't want to know how much that would cost to build.
[11:35] <persia> Yep :)
[11:36] <persia> I suspect that if anyone does it, the first tunnel will be Eastern North America -> Western Europe, which doesn't really help the current use case, but might give an idea of cost.
[11:36] <persia> Might need an intermediate though, as I think that's about 90 degrees.
[11:38] <Iulian> Hey
[11:38]  * StevenK tries to beat his spam down
[11:39] <jdavies> hey Iulian
[11:39] <Iulian> Hi jdavies
[11:40] <pochu> hi all!
[11:40] <Iulian> Heya pochu
[11:41] <pochu> yo Iulian
[11:41] <jdavies> this is insane..
[11:41] <txwikinger> hi pochu
[11:41] <i4x> who called me? [i]nsane4oenix
[11:42] <pochu> hey txwikinger
[11:48] <tseliot> ¡hola pochu!
[11:53] <pochu> ciao tseliot :-)
[12:14]  * StevenK waits for boarding.
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[12:22]  * Amaranth looks around
[12:23] <soren> StevenK: Where?
[12:24] <StevenK> soren: Singapore
[12:24] <StevenK> soren: Another seven-eight hours, and I'll actually be in the right city
[12:24] <soren> StevenK: Wow, that long?
[12:25] <soren> StevenK: Are/were you flying Singapore Airlines?
[12:26] <Hobbsee> soren: au is *far* away.
[12:30] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: au should move closer
[12:31] <soren> :)
[12:31] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: i wish!
[12:31] <Amaranth> even persia gets home faster
[12:31] <Amaranth> heck, even i made it home faster
[12:32] <persia> Amaranth: I'm equidistant from everywhere though.  Travel to/from Australia has an extra hop near here (well, near enough).
[12:32] <Amaranth> hehe
[12:33] <Amaranth> btw, no one exports those cigarettes :(
[12:33] <Amaranth> persia: so you have to send me a crate or something ;)
[12:35]  * persia pointedly fails to start an import/export business in controlled substances :P
[12:58] <yannick> Hi, I've an issue with pbuilder: "pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy: Depends: libx264-dev which is a virtual package." Can someone help me please?
[12:58] <persia> yannick: That typically means that you'll need to specify the one you want, of the form: libfoo5-dev | libfoo-dev.
[12:59] <yannick> persia, I don't see which one to pick up. There is no more devel for x264...
[13:00] <persia> yannick: In this specific case, I wonder which architecture you are using.  From what I can tell, that package is not virtual for i386 or amd64, and doesn't even exist for anything else.
[13:00] <persia> Does your pbuilder have multiverse enabled?
[13:01] <yannick> COMPONENTS="main restricted universe multiverse" and my arch is amd64. And i do not see it as virtual too.
[13:04] <persia> Hmmm.  No idea then.  You might try with a local build (expecting a failure for missing dependencies) or sbuild to see if the issue is with pbuilder-satisfydepends or with your package.
[13:05] <yannick> ok, I'll try sbuild...
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[13:27] <emgent> heya
[13:30] <sebner> emgent: huhu
[13:30]  * emgent hugs sebner 
[13:30]  * sebner hugs emgent back =)
[13:30] <emgent> hahah
[13:32] <sebner> emgent: I think they ignore our questions :P
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[13:35] <emgent> sebner: nah false.
[13:35] <emgent> sebner: we should wait.
[13:37] <sebner> emgent: bah :P
[13:38] <emgent> sebner: remember, we are a big family.
[13:38] <emgent> :)
[13:39] <sebner> emgent: partyyyyyyyyy!!!!! =)
[13:39] <emgent> gh
[14:06] <emgent> heya devfil :)
[14:06] <devfil> hi emgent! how are you?
[14:07] <emgent> all good :P
[14:07] <emgent> devfil: http://en.emanuele-gentili.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/img_2655.jpg
[14:08] <devfil> emgent: did you have fun in uds intrepid?
[14:08] <devfil> emgent: lol
[14:09] <emgent> sure, UDS rocks!
[14:09] <devfil> I'm happy for you, but stop smoking!
[14:11] <emgent> hahaha, nah
[14:15] <devfil> emgent: stop smoking and became motu!
[14:15] <devfil> s/became/become
[14:20] <emgent> uhm.. launchpad seems slow today..
[15:14] <openexpo> moins (\sh here)
[15:20] <Laney> lo
[15:42] <porthose> how many times will intrepid be synced with debian before the debian import freeze? :) Once, twice?
[15:43] <pochu> many
[15:43] <emgent> heya pochu :)
[15:43] <pochu> emgent! :)
[15:44] <porthose> pochu: thx :)
[15:44] <devfil> hi pochu
[15:44] <pochu> hey hey devfil
[15:46] <geser> porthose: in theory it should happen more than once a week till DIF
[15:48] <devfil> pochu: I would to ask you about a wxwidgets2.8 bug
[15:49] <pochu> devfil: yup, what was it?
[15:50] <devfil> pochu: bug #196834. I think this isn't a bug. usr/share/doc/wx2.8-examples/examples/unpack_examples.sh if called to do the work. Maybe I should ask if you want unpack examples or no (.postinst file)
[15:50] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 196834 in wxwidgets2.8 "wxPython demo is not installing properly" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196834
[15:54] <porthose> geser: cool thx :) then the new upstream release of my package just uploaded to debian will be imported soon (that make me soooo happy)
[15:57] <pochu> porthose: if there's no Ubuntu specific changes, yes
[15:58] <pochu> devfil: no, I don't think unpack_examples.sh should be called at postinst
[15:59] <pochu> devfil: you can call it in debian/rules after build, if you want
[15:59] <pochu> in the install target, I'd say
[15:59] <devfil> pochu: I think unpacking examples should be at users choice
[16:00] <devfil> in postinst I can ask if want to unpack or not and where script will unpack
[16:00] <pochu> so what would you do, asking a debconf question?
[16:00] <pochu> that's so weird...
[16:00] <pochu> are the examples too big?
[16:01] <devfil> pochu: I think 10 mb
[16:01] <devfil> but I'm not sure
[16:02] <devfil> pochu: however not debconf, a simply script. wxwidgets2.8 source is so big, if I will add debconf...
[16:04] <pochu> if you are going to ask a question, use debconf
[16:04] <pochu> but better not to add it
[16:04] <pochu> where are the examples, in the -doc package?
[16:04] <devfil> pochu: examples package
[16:05] <pochu> Maybe add a README saying how to unpack it
[16:05] <devfil> pochu: I think nobody will read it
[16:07] <pochu> I hate debconf questions, so I won't sponsor that :P
[16:07] <pochu> if you can think of a different solution...
[16:09] <devfil> pochu: I can try with only bash script to ask, I think this is better solution because I don't need to use debconf support
[16:09] <pochu> if you use that, then it's not translatable
[16:09] <devfil> Maybe a simple: Do you want to unpack examples [y]? is the best think
[16:09] <pochu> and it won't work with packagekit (if we ever have that in the archive)
[16:13] <devfil> pochu: it is only a phrase and who developer must know english I think
[16:13] <pochu> I think if you are going to ask a question, it should be with debconf and priority low
[16:25] <devfil> pochu: 1.9 mb (I've readed 10.9 -_-')
[16:25] <devfil> pochu: however alredy exists a README for unpack_examples
[16:25] <devfil> pochu: Some of the files have been compressed in accordance with Debian policy
[16:25] <devfil> regarding documentatio
[16:25] <devfil> n
[16:31] <devfil> pochu: to unpack them I can use dh_extrac... (I don't remember the exactly name of the tag)
[16:33] <Laney> devfil: When do they get compressed? In the orig.tar.gz?
[16:33] <devfil> Lanely: nono, in debian/rules
[16:33] <Laney> Then there's no point compressing and uncompressing
[16:34] <Laney> If it's dh_compress you can pass -X to exclude some files
[16:35] <devfil> Laney: I don't need to exclude files, just unpack them in the same dir
[16:40] <devfil> done, now it's time to build it
[17:03] <yannick> persia, solved: pbuilder was not using multiverse. I still don't know why it doesn't take my config file in account, but adding universe at the command line is working :) thx for your help.
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[17:33] <ryanakca> Is it possible to merge something from Debian NEW?
[17:35] <azeem> I don't think so
[17:43] <geser> ryanakca: the first problem is Debian NEW isn't public
[17:46]  * jdavies WTHs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14564/
[17:46] <geser> bind mount?
[17:47] <jdavies> I just used the makechroot script here (http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/scripts/) to make a hardy chroot and I got that
[17:48] <geser> yes, bind mounts
[17:48] <jdavies> found the problem
[17:49] <geser> umount /home, /tmp, /proc/ and /sys from the chroot
[17:49] <geser> before removing it
[17:49] <jdavies> but too late..
[17:50] <jdavies> geser: ah, cheers, that solved it
[17:50]  * slytherin wonders how hard it is to give command 'sudo pbuilder create'
[17:55] <jdavies> geser: hmm, should I take out the bind mount parts of the script for next time?
[18:00] <slytherin> jdavies: bindmounts mounts the directories you specify inside the chroot. For example I have iso image mounted locally which I can use as repository inside chroot.
[18:01] <jdavies> slytherin: I would like a clean chroot. Nothing in but the base stuff installed
[18:03] <slytherin> jdavies: so you don't want bindmount.
[18:04] <jdavies> OK, *removes*
[18:09] <leleobhz> someone can tellme what can i do when a program are provided as tar.gz and are not in format program-version.tar.gz (and the uncompressed file too)
[18:09] <leleobhz> mind note: in packaging
[18:10] <geser> jdavies: you might need things like /proc or /sys also inside a clean chroot
[18:10] <leleobhz> (and the program uses jam as constructor)
[18:10] <jdavies> geser: hm, true
[18:11] <geser> jdavies: and if you want to test some GUI apps from the chroot then /home and /tmp are useful too
[18:14] <slytherin> leleobhz: what program is that?
[18:15] <leleobhz> slytherin: handbrake.fr
[18:16] <leleobhz> slytherin: i have another problem too... it "Jamfile" downloads all dependencies again
[18:16] <slytherin> leleobhz: I think handbrake is already packaged, I might be wrong, Make sure you check revu
[18:16] <leleobhz> slytherin: really?
[18:16] <leleobhz> slytherin: revu?
[18:17] <Laney> leleobhz: http://revu.tauware.de
[18:18] <Laney> 'tis already being worked on by someone
[18:18] <leleobhz> Laney: hmm nice
[18:19] <leleobhz> Laney: and how can i help the package creation on revu?
[18:20] <Laney> leleobhz: Well one person usually takes care of it, but you can mail the packager and see if he would like your help
[18:21] <slytherin> leleobhz: revu is used for review of packages. A package needs to be advocated by 2 MOTUs before it gets accepted. You will need dput to upload top revu and your publick key will need to be in revu keyring
[18:22] <leleobhz> slytherin: well, i have the conduct code signed on launchpad and all my keys available
[18:23] <leleobhz> and now joined to revu uploaders user group
[18:23] <slytherin> leleobhz: join the revu-uploaders team and ask here for keyring to be synced
[18:23] <RainCT> syncing...
[18:23] <RainCT> ;)
[18:24] <leleobhz> slytherin: suposing my package get accepted, ill get their manteiner on ubuntu?
[18:24] <leleobhz> s/get their/be the/g
[18:25] <RainCT> leleobhz: not "officially" like in Debian, but yes
[18:25] <leleobhz> RainCT: well, i dont care to much this...
[18:26] <leleobhz> debian is too "dummy"cratic
[18:26] <leleobhz> RainCT: im care with ubuntu status
[18:27]  * leleobhz very interested because i mantain some packages but outside ubuntu... so may be a chance to get they in
[18:42] <leleobhz> question: debian linda exists on ubuntu?
[18:42] <Laney> leleobhz: linda doesn't exist any more
[18:43] <leleobhz> Laney: so still the process to use only lintian?
[18:43] <Laney> leleobhz: Yeah
[18:43] <Laney> (AFAIK, IANAMOTU ;)
[18:43] <leleobhz> ?
[18:45] <Laney> I'm not a MOTU
[18:45] <Laney> But I gather that lintian is all that's used
[18:45] <leleobhz> oh...
[18:45] <leleobhz> ok
[18:46] <slytherin> Right. lintian is the only tool available. The development of linda has stopped totally.
[18:46] <ryanakca> geser: ok, well, if I have a dsc of what was uploaded to Debian NEW? (I merged some Kubuntu fixes into Debian, and now I'm looking to merge those changes back into Kubuntu)
[18:47] <leleobhz> talking about linda.... someone know why this error:
[18:47] <leleobhz> leleobhz@zorg:~/TRABALHO/DEVELOPMENT/COMPILACOES/UBUNTU/pacotes/praat-hardy$ lintian praat_5.0.23-1_i386.changes
[18:47] <leleobhz> E: praat_5.0.23-1_i386.changes: bad-distribution-in-changes-file hardy
[18:47] <leleobhz> E: praat_5.0.23-1.tar.gz does not exist, exiting
[18:47] <Laney> leleobhz: Give the -i option to lintian to get more information
[18:48] <leleobhz> N:   You've specified an unknown target distribution for your upload in the
[18:48] <leleobhz> N:   debian/changelog file.
[18:48] <geser> ryanakca: technically it would then be a sync from somewhere else but if it doesn't hurry, I'd wait till it's in Debian unstable
[18:48] <leleobhz> Laney: but im using hardy and cowbuilder
[18:49] <slytherin> leleobhz: 1st error because you are not using lintian from hardy-backports. Also make sure you have installed debootstrap from hardy-backports.
[18:51] <ryanakca> geser: nah, there are still some Kubuntu specific changes / configuration options to be merged, but ok. I do wish their archive maintainers would get through their list... some of them are 1 month old or more
[18:51] <leleobhz> slytherin: debootstrap isnt installed
[18:51] <slytherin> leleobhz: 2nd error because either you don't have a .orig.gz file or the directory name is of the form softwarename-upstream_version-debian_revision instead of just softwarename-upstream_version
[18:52] <leleobhz> slytherin: .orig exists
[18:52] <slytherin> geser: How can I add copyright symbol to debian/copyright file?
[18:52] <leleobhz> the original tar.gz isnt available because the original source is a .zip
[18:52] <leleobhz> so i need to uncompress it and recompres in debian formal
[18:52] <leleobhz> t
[18:52]  * leleobhz have a script to do this
[18:53] <sharms> if I want to install debugging symbols for a program in hardy, do I still just add pitti's repository or is there a better method
[18:53] <slytherin> sharms: see if there is already a -dbg package in repository?
[18:53] <leleobhz> slytherin: ii  lintian                1.23.48~hardy1         Debian package checker
[18:54] <sharms> slytherin - I am looking for w3m, don't see it
[18:54] <slytherin> sharms: then use pitti's repository
[18:54] <sharms> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/ddebs hardy main universe   -- Apt gets a 301 moved permanently
[18:56] <sharms> ah nvm its down ddebs.ubuntu.com
[19:13] <geser> slytherin: Unicode, U+00A9 ©
[19:14] <slytherin> geser: How do I write that in vim? And is it necessary to have 'copyright' or 'registered' symbols?
[19:16] <Laney> slytherin: ctrl-shift-u + type 00a9
[19:16] <slytherin> Laney: thanks
[19:16] <geser> slytherin: iirc the copyright symbol is important
[19:17] <geser> at least in the U.S. copyright law if I remember some discussions correctly
[19:17] <slytherin> Laney: Not working :-(
[19:17] <Laney> slytherin: Really? What happens?
[19:18] <slytherin> Laney: Nothing, it just adds blank space
[19:18] <Laney> You get the underlined 'u' and can type '00a9'?
[19:18] <Laney> Then hit space after that
[19:20] <slytherin> Laney: I got underlines u, I typed 00a9 but hit enter
[19:20] <slytherin> Laney: Done, thanks. :-)
[19:20] <Laney> slytherin: That should work too, weird. Maybe it's your font?
[19:20] <Laney> slytherin: Ah :)
[19:21] <slytherin> Laney: Space works, enter doesn't. What does it have to do with font?
[19:23] <Laney> slytherin: No, nothing. If it wasn't coming up at all then it might be your font.
[19:23] <Laney> slytherin: But enter and space both work for me, *shrug*
[19:27] <slytherin> geser: Please let me know if this debian/copyright is clear enough - http://paste.ubuntu.com/14586/ I will be back in 10-15 minutes.
[19:27] <geser> slytherin: I add unicode chars usually with: when in Insert mode: ctrl+v u00a9 and get directly a copyright symbol
[19:31] <geser> slytherin: the mentioning of the licences is good, but I remember seeing copyright for the W3C from some other years too (check with "rgrep Copyright ." in the source dir)
[19:35] <slytherin> geser: I saw copyright mentioned as 1994-2002. Should I make it that way?
[19:39] <geser> slytherin: yes
[19:39] <slytherin> geser: Ok. Any other changes?
[19:52] <geser> slytherin: no
[19:55] <slytherin> geser: Done. Uploaded. Thanks for guidance. :-)
[19:57] <slytherin> geser: Going to bed. See you later.
[20:11] <emgent> geser: hey
[20:14] <geser> emgent: Hi
[20:16] <emgent> sebner: fix your internet connection
[20:17] <sebner> emgent: If I would know how -.-
[20:23] <emgent> sebner: try with "halt" :)
[21:17] <sebner> emgent: was he already online? ^^
[21:17] <emgent> ye
[21:17] <sebner> emgent: uhh, where can I find him?
[21:18] <emgent> #canonical-sysadmin
[21:18] <sebner> ember: but he is afk :\
[21:19] <emgent> i know.
[21:19] <sebner> since 77 hours xD
[21:44] <norsetto> howdy all (sebner included)
[21:44] <geser> Hi norsetto
[21:44] <sebner> huhu norsetto. Thanks for that :D
[21:45] <norsetto> hi geser, just seen bug 234538
[21:45] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 234538 in findlib "[intrepid] Rebuild for ocaml 3.10.1 -> 3.10.2 transition" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/234538
[21:45] <emgent> hahaha
[21:45] <sebner> emgent: hmm?
[21:46] <norsetto> geser: there is a bunch of stuff in bug 234581 which also deals with this transition, for the time being they are all waiting for u-m-s to sponsor your bug ...
[21:46] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 234581 in ulex "Cduce Depends On Non-Existant Package `ocaml-nox-3.10.0`" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/234581
[21:47] <geser> norsetto: I've uploaded those OCaml rebuild yesterday which don't need ocaml-findlib
[21:48] <geser> I'll look at the other ones once findlib got rebuild
[21:49] <norsetto> geser: ok, if you may want to cover also those of bug 234581 please mark them invalid or reassign them to you. There is also a ftbfs which I'm investigating right now
[21:49] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 234581 in ulex "Cduce Depends On Non-Existant Package `ocaml-nox-3.10.0`" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/234581
[21:51] <norsetto> geser: there is something funny going on with the debian archive, seems like packages.gz are not being regenerated?
[21:53] <geser> norsetto: if you mean the ftbfs from bug #234846, that's normal during a transition if not all packages are rebuild in the right order
[21:53] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 234846 in ocamlnet "ocamlnet (2.2.9-2) FTBFS" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/234846
[21:53] <geser> see also the current perl 5.10 transition
[21:54] <norsetto> geser: I have all packages built locally, it really seems a problem with rpclocal.c
[21:54] <geser> ah
[21:57] <geser> norsetto: what problem do you have with the debian archive? ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz was last modified today
[21:57] <norsetto> geser: I see several packages are not reported as updated, and they are not autosynced
[21:58] <geser> is the autosync actually a cronjob?
[21:59] <norsetto> geser: I thought it was just a problem with packages.debian.org, but then why are we not autosyncing? Some packages are really old
[22:02] <geser> is the autosync already on?
[22:02] <geser> I didn't have to wait for a build half a week till now
[22:03] <norsetto> geser: AFAIK we are autosyncing full speed until DIF, don't know how frequently though
[22:05] <geser> for hardy the buildds were so queue during the first weeks with building autosynced packages that you needed to wait half a week for a build of a package you uploaded
[22:07] <norsetto> geser: that could be it then, and then its just a problem with packages.debian.org, makes sense
[22:17] <ajmitch> hi
[22:18]  * StevenK waves, finally back in the right country.
[22:18] <StevenK> (And home, thank $DEITY)
[22:19] <ajmitch> after how many hours?
[22:19] <StevenK> Many. Left the hotel at Prague at 2pm, Saturday, +2
[22:23] <ajmitch> fun
[22:24] <sebner> gn8 folks
[22:35] <RAOF> StevenK: Welcome home.
[22:35] <StevenK> RAOF: Thanks!
[22:37] <emgent> :)
[23:06] <norsetto> huats: really touch and go eh? :-)
[23:12] <norsetto> anyone know who is the leader for ubuntu-mobile?
[23:14] <StevenK> norsetto: Why do you ask?
[23:15] <norsetto> StevenK: err, because I want to know?
[23:16] <StevenK> norsetto: Nominally, David Mandala, davidm on Launchpad
[23:16] <norsetto> StevenK: ok, but he wasn't at UDS (or I don't remember him)? emgent wants to interview him for an italian linux journal
[23:17] <StevenK> norsetto: David was at both FOSSCamp and UDS.
[23:17] <emgent> heya StevenK
[23:17]  * StevenK waves
[23:17] <norsetto> StevenK: ok thx ... you recovered from the party :-) ?
[23:18] <StevenK> Funny you should mention that, I was out with David helping him shop instead of at the party.
[23:18] <norsetto> StevenK: ah!
[23:39] <norsetto> g'night all