2008/05/24/#ubuntu-motu.txt

=== jdavies changed the topic of #ubuntu-motu to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | Want to get involved with the MOTUs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | 8.04 is released: Let's fix any SRU-worthy bugs before the users try the package. | Intrepid open, go wild! https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | QA targets available from http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/
[10:34] <huats> does anybody can sponsor bug 234463, it is a bit blocking for me right now...
[10:34] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 234463 in libxml-libxml-perl "Please sponsor libxml-libxml-perl_1.66-1ubuntu1 (Rebuild Upload) into intrepid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/234463
[10:37] <geser> huats: rebuilds should get a -xbuildy version (if there are no ubuntu changes)
[10:38] <geser> and please close your bug in the changelog
[10:38] <huats> geser: sure geser for the bug
[10:38] <huats> I'll change that right now
[10:44] <sebner> huhu cody-somerville
[10:44] <cody-somerville> hyea
[10:44] <cody-somerville> :)
[10:45] <sebner> cody-somerville: recieved my mail?
[10:45] <cody-somerville> sebner, yes but I'm not sure what I did, lol
[10:45] <sebner> cody-somerville: nvm ^^
[10:45]  * sebner hugs cody-somerville 
[10:46]  * cody-somerville wants to know though :(
[10:46] <cody-somerville> Are you sure you don't mean to thank persia?
[10:57] <huats> geser: can you have another look at bug 234463 ?
[10:57] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 234463 in libxml-libxml-perl "Please sponsor libxml-libxml-perl_1.66-1build1 (Rebuild Upload) into intrepid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/234463
[10:57] <huats> is it better now ?
[10:59] <geser> huats: yes, you just need to wait now for a main sponsor
[11:00] <geser> huats: I collect mine perl rebuild debdiffs for main in bug #230016
[11:00] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 230016 in ossp-uuid "[intrepid] Rebuild with perl 5.10" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/230016
[11:00] <huats> geser: ok
[11:01] <huats> geser: do you need any help ?
[11:02]  * RAOF notes that Fedora's 'Make a live USB image' howto would be more useful if it didn't start "Install livecd-utils in your Fedora system..."
[11:03] <Laney> I thought that too...
[11:04] <geser> huats: once libreadyonly-{,xs-}perl got synced, one can look again which -perl packages can be given-back (see the FTBFS list)
[11:05] <huats> ok
[11:05] <huats> geser: well if you need help for this task, just let me know...
[11:06] <geser> huats: the main part is to figure in which order the -perl package needs to get build/given-back
[11:06] <geser> huats: will do
[11:09] <leifdk1978> hey does building pacages requrire programming knowlege like c++ or
[11:10] <geser> no, more how a Makefile looks like
[11:10] <leifdk1978> ahh that one i know :)
[11:11] <leifdk1978> just wondered if i could be of help
[11:12] <geser> help is always needed :)
[11:13] <leifdk1978> cool just need a pointer in the rigth direction
[11:15] <leifdk1978> is there a place to get source code or tar.gz/bz2 files and to know where to start
[11:16] <ruiboon_> leifdk1978: you can get the sources of many packages using apt-get source pkgname
[11:16] <leifdk1978> ohhh nice
[11:18] <leifdk1978> do motu hava a wike or
[11:18] <huats> leifdk1978: have a look here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu
[11:24] <huats> geser: I just put the rebuild for libdbd-sqlite3-perl
[11:25] <leifdk1978> hmm so this thing is just to make deb files and fix any realy easy bugs or
[11:29] <geser> huats: see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdbd-sqlite3-perl/+bug/230016/comments/24 :)
[11:29] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 230016 in libdbd-sqlite3-perl "[intrepid] Rebuild with perl 5.10" [Undecided,Fix committed]
[11:30] <huats> geser: ok you have a point
[11:30] <huats> :)
[11:31] <geser> I've set it back to New so it doesn't get overlooked by a main sponsor
[11:31] <huats> sure
[11:32] <huats> I mean remove my
[11:32] <huats> debdiff and stuffs
[11:32] <huats> you did it firet ;)
[11:32] <huats> first
[11:38] <huats> well I let you do as you planed geser :)
[11:38] <huats> once again ping/mail me if you need help...
[11:39] <huats> got to go soon but I might be available to do stuff in the we
[11:54] <thp> how can I get an updated universe package into hardy?
[11:55] <geser> thp: what kind of update?
[11:56] <thp> a new upstream version of a package that fixes lots of bugs in the version that is currently available in hardy (gpodder)
[11:58] <geser> the best approach would be through a hardy-backport (if the new version is already in intrepid)
[12:04] <geser> huats: if you interested: rrdtool (main) needs a merge (for the perl 5.10 transition)
[12:05] <huats> geser: ok I'll have a look
[12:06] <huats> geser: cannot find it on dad
[12:07] <huats> sorry I haven't seen it was on main
[12:07] <huats> ..
[12:09] <geser> huats: ming (universe) needs also a merge (please check if bug #174956 can be easily fixed)
[12:09] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 174956 in ming "pc file non installed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174956
[12:14] <huats> geser: ok I cannot do it right now, but I keep that on my mind and I let you know soon about...
[12:14] <huats> thanks
[12:19] <pwang> just a little moan here guys. why is firefox 3 rc1 not released for hardy yet? it's released for intrepid.
[12:21] <pwang> just a little moan here guys. why is firefox 3 rc1 not released for hardy yet? it's released for intrepid.
[12:22] <pwang> *sigh* i guess i'll have to go with the launchpad package instead.
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[13:35] <Laney> slangasek: Mind if I take the pdns merge?
[13:42] <\sh> moins
[13:43] <\sh> Ng: I just filed a bug report about terminator segfaulting when no $DISPLAY is set :)
[13:56] <\sh> the backport procedure is somehow complicated
[14:07] <leifdk1978> hmm this thing motu seeem ok fun
[14:11] <\sh> "this thing motu"?
[14:12] <leifdk1978> to make new versions of deb files a bit complex but fun and help full
[14:14] <\sh> nah...generating debian packages is not as hard as playing with rpm source packages where the whole package info and build info and post/pre-inst/rm stuff is inside one file and you need to read weired rpm macros :(
[14:15] <jdavies> \sh: pity he left
[14:16] <\sh> that's life ;)
[14:17] <Iulian> Troll?
[14:17] <jdavies> Iulian: think Harry Potter
[14:18]  * Iulian smiles
[15:24] <\sh> uh...my first propose to merge branch ..
[15:28] <bddebian> Heya gang
[15:29] <sebner> hihu bddebian
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[15:37] <bddebian> Hi sebner
[15:42] <jdong> urgh stupid slow airport wifi
[15:42] <jdong> I guess beggars can't be choosers
[16:31] <LucidFox> smarter, you here?
[16:31] <smarter> yep
[16:31] <LucidFox> You don't need to use REVU to update packages already submitted to Ubuntu
[16:32] <LucidFox> File a bug on LP for qdevelop and attach the diff.gz for the new version, and I'll sponsor it
[16:32] <smarter> okay, didn't know that
[16:32] <smarter> thanks
[16:33] <smarter> feel free to nuke the upload then ;)
[16:33] <LucidFox> okay
[16:34] <smarter> what is the "Updated packages" for in revu?
[16:34] <LucidFox> archived
[16:34] <LucidFox> From what I understand, it's a remnant from before this practice was developed
[16:35] <smarter> ok
[16:47] <smarter> LucidFox: bug #234605
[16:47] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 234605 in qdevelop "Please sponsor qdevelop 0.25.2+svn080522-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/234605
[16:47] <LucidFox> smarter> will do
[16:47] <smarter> thanks
[16:48] <LucidFox> wait... debdiff?
[16:48] <LucidFox> I asked for diff.gz
[16:48] <LucidFox> a debdiff will be huge, it will include all upstream changes
[16:50] <LucidFox> debdiffs are for changes within the same upstream version, e.g. from -0ubuntu1 to -0ubuntu2
[16:52] <smarter> oh sorry, didn't realise ^^'
[16:53]  * smarter uploads the diff.gz and tar.gz right now
[16:56] <smarter> LucidFox: done
[16:57] <LucidFox> smarter> thanks, will upload
[16:58] <LucidFox> the orig.tar.gz isn't necessary, by the wa
[16:58] <LucidFox> y
[17:01] <smarter> LucidFox: why?
[17:02] <LucidFox> because it can be created with get-orig-source
[17:03] <smarter> yes, but then you will get today snapshot and need to change the version number in debian/changelog
[17:30] <Festor> Is there a problem with the PPA?
[17:30] <Festor> see this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/156872
[17:30] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 156872 in launchpad "PPA: packaged passing from uploaded to published without trying to build" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[17:30] <Festor> Already 10 hours have passed and still no package. I can only see the sources.
[18:22] <LucidFox> smarter> uploaded
[19:24] <emgent> hello
[19:25] <\sh> oh prague is coming home
[19:28] <devfil> hi emgent!
[19:43] <emgent> Yeah \sh :)
[19:59] <sebner> \sh: why weren't you in prague? I think it will never be so near in the near feature
[20:00] <\sh> sebner, time contraints
[20:00] <\sh> sebner, I have to earn money :)
[20:00] <sebner> \sh: what a pitty
[20:00] <sebner> \sh: bah money ^^. btw, why is gentoo bad on servers? ^^
[20:01] <\sh> oh...I have to repeat my speech from 2006 ;)
[20:01] <sebner> \sh: was using XP at that time :P
[20:01] <\sh> sebner, gentoo will never have a real "stable release" as we know it from rh, deb, ubu, suse
[20:02] <pwnguin> heh, i just cleaned up the office in my mom's house and found a gentoo installer from 2002
[20:02] <sebner> \sh: this sucks for servers but on the desktop it's the best you can do. Damn ubuntu :P
[20:02] <\sh> gentoo is dynamic...which is good for a source based distro...
[20:02] <\sh> sebner, no it sucks
[20:02] <\sh> sebner, you sit the whole day and compile software but you don't use it
[20:02] <sebner> \sh: argh. only bleeding edge is rue
[20:02] <sebner> \sh: ah gentoo. ok ^^
[20:02] <pwnguin> with gentoo, you can't really hold off on updates for very long
[20:03] <directhex> gentoo doesn't need a bugzilla though - if someone reports a bug, just update the package, and say the bug is invalid because it was filed against an old version!
[20:03] <\sh> indeed, gentoo is nice for software people who needs the latest software for their development...
[20:03] <\sh> but for stability and reliabilty gentoo is wrong
[20:04] <\sh> I was blind these days...I'll pray that I'll never do such a mistake again...never ever promised
[20:04] <\sh> lol
[20:06] <pwnguin> oh the other hand, our cluster admin enjoys gentoo
[20:06] <directhex> pwnguin, lies
[20:06] <pwnguin> lots of CPUs mounted on an NFS boot saves a bit on that whole compile thing
[20:07] <pwnguin> compiles the kernel in 26 seconds it does
[20:07] <directhex> who in their right mind uses gentoo on a cluster?
[20:07] <pwnguin> instead of?
[20:09] <directhex> something with some actual support - from both the vendor and the guys making third party apps like abaqus
[20:09] <pwnguin> na
[20:10] <pwnguin> its academic
[20:10] <pwnguin> the whole department's servers run gentoo anyways
[20:10] <directhex> madness :|
[20:11] <pwnguin> according to the sysadmins, the dept's needs were too demanding for debian
[20:11] <pwnguin> too many "please install this software i wrote" etc
[20:11] <directhex> still madness!
[20:11] <pwnguin> probably
[20:12] <pwnguin> on the other hand, they didnt have to expire two years worth of ssh keys
[20:12] <\sh> pwnguin, they don't know it yet ,-)
[20:13] <pwnguin> directhex: im sure theres a redhat server somewhere running oracle
[20:13] <pwnguin> but for the most part, the dept supports itself it seems
[20:14] <\sh> gentoo has its reasons to be there...and I'm thankful for people who ran and used gentoo...they are known to put away more pain and are not children anymore
[20:14] <directhex> i like vendor support. being able to send them core dumps & say "it breaks, fix it!" is a better situation that feeling around in the dark
[20:15] <\sh> directhex, do that with adobe
[20:15] <pwnguin> define vendor
[20:15] <pwnguin> adobe?
[20:15] <pwnguin> dell?
[20:15] <directhex> pwnguin, sgi, dell, people like that
[20:15] <\sh> "Dear Adobe, your FMS3 doesn't honour your umask settings...even if it says different"
[20:15] <pwnguin> well, the company they buy hardware for does that
[20:15] <pwnguin> for "linux"
[20:16] <pwnguin> i dont know the details, but i know they've been back and forth about hardware support a few times
[20:20] <\sh> anyways...I'm the only one, at least in the company of this customer, who had the experience with gentoo...and I was wrong to believe they could learn the gentoo ways these days...now they know the confixx way of doing things, and I'm fcked, because I have to fix the shit
[20:20] <\sh> that's why gentoo was a sin...and I have to be punished for that
[20:21] <pwnguin> \sh: it's probably a bit different with a campus Computer Science department with a large gentoo user base in the LUG
[20:22] <\sh> pwnguin, yes...as I said, gentoo needs to be there...I'm not blaming gentoo for my mistake :)
[20:22] <\sh> I blame myself
[20:22] <\sh> it cost me again hours of my life...
[20:23] <\sh> lucky i've been, two years ago, this company had still 7 gentoo servers of me ;) they replaced 6 of them with centos , because they don't want to pay RHEL money ;)
[20:24] <\sh> but this one...the whole mail infrastructure , incoming and outgoing :( they are frightened to replace this server, too...and yesterday somewhat around midday their harddrives were 100% full ;)
[20:25] <pwnguin> anyways, i think the main campus computing services uses solaris for the paid support
[20:45] <\sh> oh guys, terminator is really lovely .. the new release will rock ;)
[21:32] <emgent> \sh: sure! terminator rocks!
[21:33] <sebner> bah. all this advertisment ^^
[21:33] <emgent> ScottK: big lol!
[21:33] <sebner> emgent: got your question anwered?
[21:33] <sebner> *answered
[21:33] <emgent> no
[21:34] <emgent> http://en.emanuele-gentili.com/index.php/2008/05/24/ubuntu-developers-summit-some-photos/#comments
[21:34] <emgent> hahaha
[21:35] <sebner> emgent: linus torvalds xD hey but that's somehow true =)
[21:54] <norsetto> howdy
[21:54] <sebner> hiuhu norsetto
[21:56] <emgent> o/ norsetto
[21:56] <norsetto> hey emgent, so, you left the italian community too ....
[21:57] <sebner> norsetto: I didn't left the italian community but also don't want to be ignored :P
[21:58] <emgent> norsetto: yes
[21:58] <\sh> oh god...pitti like aseigo
[21:58] <\sh> no ways
[21:58] <emgent> hehe
[21:59] <norsetto> sebner: do you want me to kiss you wildly in public?
[21:59] <\sh> and scottk looks like linus? hell...this john guy doesn't have a clue about age ,-)
[21:59]  * RoAkSoAx hi yall xD
[21:59] <\sh> norsetto, *ROTFLBTC*
[21:59] <sebner> norsetto: public? public IRC yes :P
[21:59] <emgent> norsetto: where do you read the news?
[22:00] <\sh> oh damn...
[22:00] <\sh> I need to get up at 6 tomorrow...and I need to shave
[22:00] <emgent> \sh: heya man!
[22:00] <emgent> argh
[22:00] <sebner> baba \sh
[22:01] <norsetto> emgent: ubuntu-it-dev m.l.
[22:01] <\sh> I wonder why people hate my captcha :)
[22:02] <norsetto> \sh: is that an article about UDS!?
[22:02] <\sh> norsetto, hmm?
[22:02] <norsetto> \sh: [22:59] <\sh> and scottk looks like linus? hell...this john guy doesn't have a clue about age ,-)
[22:02] <\sh> norsetto, yeah it's a comment on emgents blog
[22:02] <\sh> about uds pictures
[22:03] <emgent> yes
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[22:03] <norsetto> \sh: too bad you weren't there, I would have been happy to meet you
[22:04] <\sh> norsetto, well...the invitation came too late and I really don't have the time...this coming week the LT fair...it was hard to get holiday from work
[22:04] <emgent> mee to \sh
[22:04] <emgent> s/to/too/
[22:04] <\sh> norsetto, what about next UDS ? ;)
[22:05] <\sh> norsetto, we are young enough :)
[22:05] <norsetto> \sh: indeed ;-)
[22:05] <emgent> hehehe
[22:05] <\sh> norsetto, and at least..italy is not far away .. a short jump over swiss and I'm there ;)
[22:05] <sebner> \sh norsetto emgent : Did you participate at the daniel flashhug? ^^
[22:06] <sebner> \sh: AUSTRIA ole ole
[22:06] <emgent> sebner: yes!
[22:06] <emgent> see youtube video, I'm in. :)
[22:06] <norsetto> sebner: I refrained, another 100 kg could have been too much ...
[22:06] <sebner> hehe
[22:07] <sebner> emgent: well I couldn't recognise anybody except jono and daniel ^^
[22:07] <norsetto> \sh: yeah, I talked with Claire about the next European UDS, I hope we will be able to do that in Rome
[22:08] <\sh> norsetto, hmmm?? I thought we will have a nice UDS somewhere in brasilia with nice chicks and hot drinks ;) far away from home so nobody can see us ;)
[22:08] <\sh> well...just an idea...
[22:09] <norsetto> \sh: Brasil? Hmmmm, I think I like that
[22:09] <\sh> guys, I really need to go...shaving and to bed tomorrow morning 4 o'clock UTC the night is over
[22:09] <\sh> cu tomorrow :)
[22:09] <RoAkSoAx> nxvl, wanted to propose Perú for the next UDS
[22:10] <norsetto> \sh: good night
[22:11] <emgent> woow Peru` ?
[22:12] <sebner> google is everywhere xD
[22:12] <sebner> google maps/earth xD
[22:12] <RoAkSoAx> ember, yeah!! Cusco maybe xD
[22:13]  * norsetto wonders if there is any motu-sru team member around
[22:17] <RoAkSoAx> emgent, yeah!! Cusco maybe xD (Where macchu picchu is xD)
[22:30]  * norsetto thinks we should get rid of hit-and-run packages like memaker
[22:34] <Gralco> hey guys
[22:35] <sebner> norsetto: hmm? hit and run?
[22:36] <norsetto> sebner: call it package-and-forget
[22:37] <Gralco> how exactly does pbuilder work
[22:37] <sebner> norsetto: but why?
[22:37] <norsetto> sebner: why what?
[22:38] <norsetto> !pbuilder | gralco
[22:38] <sebner> norsetto: why package and forget? Have you anything against it?
[22:38] <ubottu> gralco: pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[22:38] <Gralco> i know what it is
[22:38] <norsetto> sebner: I have everything against it
[22:38] <sebner> norsetto: lol. why?
[22:38] <Gralco> its just when i went through the package managing guide i got lost
[22:39] <norsetto> sebner: because, what good to the distro is having stuff which is broken and unmaintained?
[22:40] <sebner> norsetto: broken and unmaintained? If that's true and you are right with your package and forget thing
[22:43] <sebner> norsetto: but I thought they were busy developing and getting it into ubuntu as important part
[22:44] <Laney> It's weird that Memaker installs itself into System->Preferences
[22:46] <sebner> Laney: maybe really b0rken
[22:46] <Gralco> I turn an application in to Brian Murray for the ubuntu bug control team a week ago and I still haven't had any notice from it.
[22:46] <Laney> Gralco: Try #ubuntu-bugs for that
[22:46] <norsetto> sebner: it can be the greatest software on the planet, but if its broken and unmainteined I still think its wrong to have it
[22:46] <Gralco> how long does it usually take
[22:46] <sebner> norsetto: and are you sure that it is?
[22:47] <Gralco> laney okay
[22:48] <norsetto> sebner: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/memaker/
[22:49] <sebner> norsetto: ok bugs but https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/memaker/+bug/204595
[22:49] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 204595 in memaker "Upgrade MeMaker package to latest upstream version" [Undecided,In progress]
[22:49] <norsetto> sebner: yes, exactly what I mean ....
[22:50] <sebner> norsetto: but it seems that upstream isn't dead so no not what you mean ;)
[22:50] <norsetto> sebner: and what good is upstream if nobody takes care of it in the distro?
[22:51] <sebner> norsetto: the MOTUs do :)
[22:52] <Laney> norsetto: But the upgrade bug is "In Progress", so someone is looking at it
[23:27] <norsetto> g'night all
[23:27] <emgent> night Cesare
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