2008/04/24/#xubuntu.txt

[00:00] <quittt> why the devices do not appear on desktop?!?!!
[00:09] <quittt> HELLO
[00:15] <MiKa^> greetings from Malaysia!
[00:30] <punkn00dlez> Quick question for anyone who's free...?
[00:32] <punkn00dlez> Hello?
[00:32] <MiKa^> gd morning.
[00:33] <MiKa^> well, it's morning over here GMT +8
[00:33] <punkn00dlez> Morning. Afternoon here. I think GMT -5 maybe?
[00:33] <MiKa^> oh
[00:34] <MiKa^> i dont know if i can help, im a xubuntu user for 5 months only
[00:34] <punkn00dlez> US Eastern Daylight Time...wanna try anyway?
[00:34] <MiKa^> ok
[00:35] <punkn00dlez> Alright, I have a blank disk in my CDRW drive and I can see the icon on my desktop, however whenever i click on it, it tells me I must be root to mount it. How do I mount it under root?
[00:35] <MiKa^> erm, sudo mount?
[00:35] <punkn00dlez> Means nothing to me, unfortunately, I've been on Ubuntu for about 3 months or so.
[00:36] <MiKa^> hrm..
[00:36] <punkn00dlez> At least I finally got rid of Windows.
[00:36] <MiKa^> i have been using xubuntu on usb
[00:36] <MiKa^> not a full install
[00:36] <MiKa^> let's see..
[00:36] <zoredache> why would you be trying to mount a blank disk?  if it is blank there is nothing to mount
[00:37] <punkn00dlez> I want to mount the drive, so I can burn a cd
[00:37] <punkn00dlez> It won't automount
[00:37] <zoredache> you don't need to mount the disk to burn too it
[00:37] <zoredache> almost all cdwriter software works through cdrecord which needs the media to NOT be mounted
[00:37] <punkn00dlez> I kept trying to burn it, but it keeps telling me there's no drive there.
[00:38] <zoredache> what program are you trying to burn with, what are you trying to burn, and does it say what 'there' is
[00:38] <punkn00dlez> Hold on a sec.
[00:39] <MiKa^> ah.. this is a question which i cannot help... i never burned discs before
[00:39] <punkn00dlez> Never huh? Interesting. I'm trying to use K3b because I have a playlist saved with K3b and it tells me this:
[00:40] <punkn00dlez> No CD/DVD writer found.
[00:40] <punkn00dlez> K3b did not find an optical writing device in your system. Thus, you will not be able to burn CDs or DVDs. However, you can still use other K3b features like audio track extraction or audio transcoding or ISO9660 image creation.
[00:41] <punkn00dlez> No idea huh?
[00:41] <zoredache> I am not familiar with k3b......  I generally just use cdrecord directly
[00:42] <punkn00dlez> Dang. I'm asking the Ubuntu channel now.
[00:43] <MiKa^> for the past 5 months i have been sticking to google for help
[00:44] <zoredache> so does k3b see your writer under settings->configure->devices?
[00:44] <punkn00dlez> I don't think so, hold on a sec.
[00:44] <zoredache> and are you in the cdrom group?
[00:44] <punkn00dlez> And google hasn't helped much with this question. Always my first stop.
[00:45] <punkn00dlez> Don't know what that means either.
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[00:46] <zoredache> from a terminak do a grep 'cdrom:' /etc/group and see if your login id is listed
[00:47] <punkn00dlez> Talk to me like I'm stupid, I won't mind. Haven't been on Linux long at all.
[00:48] <zoredache> start a terminal and run the command:  grep 'cdrom:' /etc/group
[00:48] <zoredache> you should see something like cdrom:x:24:punkn00dlez,haldaemon
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[01:01] <floating> when is next big xubuntu release come ?
[01:01] <floating> some 8.x ?
[01:01] <MiKa^> i think today?
[01:02] <MiKa^> if not mistaken
[01:02] <floating> really ?
[01:02] <floating> from 7.10 to 8.x is coming today? :D
[01:02] <zoredache> I think you could download the rc now... I doubt there will be any major changes..
[01:02] <MiKa^> well im still waiting...
[01:02] <MiKa^> anyway, going off to uni
[01:02] <MiKa^> see ya guys soon
[01:02]  * MiKa^ camps here
[01:03] <floating> i have never upgraded ubuntu version, i wonder how complicated that could be
[01:03] <floating> i bet fresh install of 8.x is recommended?
[01:04] <zoredache> upgrading is pretty easy asuming you stuck to official sources for most of your software
[01:05] <zoredache> all you should have to do is run - update-manager -d
[01:05] <floating> the downside of linux is the making of fresh install and getting back to your old configurations
[01:06] <floating> have to install and configure many things
[01:06] <thinkmassive> you don't keep backups?
[01:06] <zoredache> floating: if you have a good backup of /etc, and /home that redoing things is usually easy
[01:06] <floating> hmm
[01:06] <thinkmassive> yeah, most of your customizations are probably stored in hidden files in your home dir
[01:08] <floating> if have many software installed from sources, installing those again takes time
[01:09] <zoredache> floating: depending how/where they got installed, you may only need to copy files
[01:09] <thinkmassive> if you have many app's compiled from source then you probably recompile often
[01:10] <thinkmassive> assuming you're using *ubuntu, that is
[01:10] <zoredache> of course I tend to write myself a script to compile a package... that way I can repeat the compile at any point in time
[01:10] <thinkmassive> or any debian-based distro, considering how many app's are in the repository
[01:10] <thinkmassive> you mean a make script?
[01:11] <zoredache> no... I mean I frequently want to run configure with lots of options
[01:11] <thinkmassive> ohh gotcha
[01:11] <zoredache> so I write a script that runs configure with all the options... so i don't forget what I did
[01:11] <thinkmassive> very good idea
[01:11] <thinkmassive> also handy for deploying identical configs to multiple machiens
[01:11] <zoredache> of course when i am really serious about something I take the time to actually make a debian package
[01:12] <zoredache> it really is pretty easy once you understand all the parts involved
[01:12] <thinkmassive> welp I'm out
[01:12] <thinkmassive> south park tonight :-D
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[02:09] <xork> Hello! I'm trying to install from an alternate install cd to a powerbook g3
[02:10] <xork> and i get an error "No common CD-ROM drive was detected"
[02:10] <xork> but.. i'm booted off of the CD-ROM drive.
[02:10] <xork> any ideas?
[02:25] <aaron> Can someone tell me why every link for xubuntu 8.04 is 404?
[02:26] <crimsun> because it hasn't been released yet?
[02:26] <aaron> The beta
[02:26] <crimsun> because the RC is available?
[02:26] <aaron> No links on the main page
[02:27] <crimsun> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/8.04/rc/ ?
[02:28] <aaron> Well, couldnt find that link anywhere on xubuntu.com
[02:29] <crimsun> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/804rc
[02:42] <j1mc> is anyone in here running hardy?
[02:43] <j1mc> xubuntu hardy?
[02:43] <j1mc> let me know if you are running it.  thanks.
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[02:53] <homebrewcider> hey there, every time I log in, i get a pretty much blank desktop. I have to go Applications>settings>desktop settings, and click "allow xfce to manage the desktop" to get my picture and icons back, the setting won't stay from one session to the next
[03:10] <owen1> is it risky to get rid of gnome (apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop)?
[03:12] <j1mc> owen1: if you have xubuntu installed, no.  i would recommend installing the xubuntu-desktop though
[03:15] <owen1> j1mc: i had ubuntu and installed xubuntu (apt-get). i am happy with xubuntu and want to get rid of unused packages.
[03:16] <owen1> j1mc: can i do apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop? is it risky?
[03:16] <owen1> j1mc: will i still get updates ect?
[03:16] <owen1> ect?
[03:17] <owen1> etc
[03:18] <j1mc> owen1: i would probably recommend doing it from a terminal - pressing ctrl-alt-f3, and doing "sudo apt-get remove ubuntu desktop && sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop"
[03:18] <j1mc> it would not be risky
[03:19] <owen1> j1mc: ok. i already have xubuntu-desktop. why do i need to install it again?
[03:30] <j1mc> i dunno... maybe just do "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop --reinstall" to make sure everything is still there after you remove ubuntu-desktop?  i'm not a total expert, but it couldn't hurt.  it won't overwrite any of your config files.
[03:35] <owen1> j1mc: ok. thank you.
[03:44] <zoredache> removing ubuntu-desktiop will not make all the extra packages go away...  You would want to also try running apt-get autoremove after getting rid of ubuntu-desktop
[03:49] <owen1> is vinagre only available on the website?
[03:49] <owen1> why can't i get from apt-get?
[04:15] <owen1> what pdf viewer do u use?
[04:27] <freerise> i have xubuntu 7.04 i believe. can synaptic upgrde me to the current release?
[04:28] <freerise> or just to feisty upgrades?
[04:39] <j1mc> freerise: you would have to upgrade to 7.10 and then 8.04
[04:39] <j1mc> there is no direct upgrade path from 7.04.  :(
[04:39] <j1mc> it might be better to back up your data and do a new install.  ??  maybe
[04:40] <freerise> ah, ok
[04:40] <freerise> really i have no real data, this is a young fs
[04:40] <j1mc> good luck!
[04:40] <j1mc> ah, ok
[04:41] <freerise> i have just been running synaptic over night to upgrade and install gnome stuff
[05:33] <Arky44> Hello all :) Is there a way to enable graphics similar to those in GNOME?
[05:42] <blacklabelsk8> I'm sure its not that difficult to get gnome, #apt-get install gdm ?
[05:42] <blacklabelsk8> or like icons/theme?
[05:44] <Arky44> Well, I recently installed the Xfce environment on Ubuntu so that I can switch to Xubuntu at login, but I was wondering if the Compiz Fusion (I think that's what it is) effects could somehow be enabled
[05:45] <Arky44> Like the dragging effects, minimizing, maximizing, etc.
[05:50] <mrwislr> was hoping someone here could help me trouble shoot a possible problem on my site
[06:01] <owen1> is xubuntu have a pdf viewer?
[06:01] <owen1> i can't open pdfs..
[06:18] <owen1> is anyone here?
[06:18] <owen1> i just got xubuntu and can't open pdfs. anyone?
[06:19] <owen1> is there a default app for pdf?
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[08:32] <nakora> owen1 :i guess its evince document viewer
[08:32] <nakora> cant remember, installing this, but its working
[09:22]  * Linuturk pokes #xubuntu
[09:23] <anarchtic> I have big problem
[09:24] <Linuturk> we only accept little problems here
[09:24] <anarchtic> I install 8.04 server, then update, then install xubuntu-desktop, then after login gdm, i get wallpaper and a terminal with no window borders, and no panels
[09:25] <anarchtic> *8.04 server rc
[09:39] <anarchtic> problem fixed, xubuntu-desktop does not set xfce as default session
[09:52] <alado> is xubuntu also gonna be released today?
[09:54] <ere4si> xubuntu is a community run os - it be released a little later
[09:54] <ere4si> *might
[09:55] <alado> ok, i'll try out ubuntu then for a few days, have to fill up my newly partitioned hdd, dont want it to get cold :)
[09:57] <ere4si> hehe
[10:12] <MiKa^> hey guys
[10:13] <MiKa^> recently my quit button on the top panel cant be used to logout my user
[10:13] <MiKa^> usually we shud get a dialog with the logout, swtich user, restart, shutdown optinos
[10:13] <MiKa^> optoins*
[10:13] <MiKa^> options*
[10:14] <MiKa^> but i get a dialog box asking me to quit the xfce panel
[10:14] <MiKa^> and the quit option in the applications menu doesnt do anything either
[10:14] <MiKa^> the only way i could shutdown properly was by using the 'shutdown -h now' command or 'poweroff'
[11:23] <MiKa^> recently my quit button on the top panel cant be used to logout my user
[11:23] <MiKa^> usually we shud get a dialog with the logout, swtich user, restart, shutdown options
[11:23] <MiKa^> but i get a dialog box asking me to quit the xfce panel
[11:23] <MiKa^> and the quit option in the applications menu doesnt do anything either
[11:23] <MiKa^> the only way i could shutdown properly was by using the 'shutdown -h now' command or 'poweroff'
[11:23] <MiKa^> is there any fix to this?
[11:24] <TheSheep> MiKa^: this happens when the panel wasn't started with the whole desktop at login, but was started later, separately
[11:24] <kennethr> is there a server version of xubuntu?
[11:24] <totalwormface> yes
[11:24] <MiKa^> but how could it be?
[11:24] <totalwormface> ohh xubuntu
[11:24] <MiKa^> i didnt do any settings to make it run like that
[11:25] <totalwormface> kennethr: you can just get the server version of ubuntu and install xfce on that
[11:26] <kennethr> totalwormface: can I run ubuntu w/out any X?
[11:27] <TheSheep> kennethr: yes, that's wat the server version does
[11:27] <MiKa^> TheSheep: so what can i do to fix this problem?
[11:27] <totalwormface> but you can't run xubuntu without x :P
[11:29] <TheSheep> MiKa^: no idea, you could try deleting your session files in ~/.cache/sessions and relogging
[11:29] <MiKa^> will try, thx
[11:35] <Odd-rationale> Wow. This channel is really calm...
[11:38] <freerise> what am i missing to compile apps?
[11:39] <freerise> ./configure
[11:39] <freerise> bash: ./configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied
[11:39] <Odd-rationale> freerise: you have build-essential installed?
[11:39] <freerise> think a make clean will fix it?
[11:39] <freerise> Odd-rationale: not sure
[11:39] <freerise> i'll chk
[11:40] <Odd-rationale> freerise: did you install build-essential? sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:40] <freerise> i was using synaptic
[11:40] <Odd-rationale> freerise: that is fine
[11:40] <TheSheep> permission denied to the /bin/sh?
[11:41] <TheSheep> looks like the system is pretty much broken
[11:41] <freerise> i know?
[11:41] <freerise> build-essential is installed
[11:41] <freerise> Reading state information... Done
[11:41] <freerise> build-essential is already the newest version.
[11:42] <Odd-rationale> freerise: did you run as root?
[11:42] <freerise> sudo
[11:42] <TheSheep> Odd-rationale: configure shouldn't be run as root
[11:42] <freerise> you mean my compile?
[11:42] <freerise> i did it as user
[11:42] <Odd-rationale> ok. dunno then. sorry.
[11:43] <TheSheep> freerise: can you run /bin/sh at all?
[11:43] <freerise> i'll see
[11:43] <freerise> seems so
[11:43] <freerise> joe@spinup:~$ /bin/sh
[11:43] <freerise> $
[11:43] <TheSheep> what does the first line of that configure script say?
[11:45] <freerise> #! /bin/sh
[11:45] <freerise> #
[11:45] <freerise> # Original version (C) 2000 Pontscho/fresh!mindworkz
[11:45] <freerise> #                      pontscho@makacs.poliod.hu
[11:45] <TheSheep> ok, edit it and remove that space between #! and /bin/sh
[11:45] <freerise> oh? huh
[11:46] <TheSheep> you can submit a bug report to the author of this application
[11:46] <freerise> same error
[11:46] <TheSheep> hmm... no space after the /bin/sh?
[11:47] <freerise> #!/bin/sh
[11:47] <freerise> #
[11:47] <freerise> # Original version (C) 2000 Pontscho/fresh!mindworkz
[11:47] <freerise> oh, i'll check that
[11:47] <TheSheep> what if you run it with 'sh configure' ?
[11:48] <freerise> TheSheep: it runs?!? what does that mean?
[11:49] <TheSheep> there is something wrong with that first line
[11:49] <TheSheep> maybe dos newline, maybe some other whitespace character that we cannot see
[11:49] <TheSheep> gotta run
[11:49] <freerise> i checked with vim and there is no trailing space
[11:50] <freerise> thanks TheSheep
[11:51] <freerise> i dont suppose that it could have anything to do with the fact that i de-tared in slackware
[11:56] <freerise> wow, i wonder what the problem is
[11:56] <freerise> joe@spinup:/media/disk/home/joe/SVN/mplayer$ make
[11:56] <freerise> ./version.sh `cc -dumpversion`
[11:56] <freerise> /bin/sh: ./version.sh: Permission denied
[11:56] <freerise> make: *** [version.h] Error 126
[11:56] <freerise> make isn't getting anywhere either :((
[11:57] <freerise> i have to run too. i'll have to get back to this later
[11:57] <freerise> thanks all :) later
[11:57] <Odd-rationale> freerise: try changing #!/bin/sh to #!/bin/bash
[12:24] <Odd-rationale> hey, cody-somerville. Great Job!!!
[12:25] <cody-somerville> Thanks :)
[12:25] <Odd-rationale> can't wait!
[12:25] <cody-somerville> Be sure to thank the rest of the team! It wouldn't be possible w/o them
[12:26] <cody-somerville> Release party is in #ubuntu-release-party btw!
[12:26] <cody-somerville> Go spread Xubuntu joy and love! :D
[12:26] <Odd-rationale> I know. I'm there
[12:26] <skep> will do :)
[12:26] <skep> this channel is a haven of silence to relax from the party-channel ;)
[12:27] <Odd-rationale> yep. it hasn't even grown...
[12:27] <cody-somerville> hehe.
[12:27] <Odd-rationale> #ubuntu is almost up to 1600 peeps O.O
[12:28] <cody-somerville> I'm sure we'll get some more folks rolling in as the day goes on. :)
[12:28] <Odd-rationale> you plan on releaseing very soon after the official ubuntu?
[12:32] <skep> i hope..all my machines run on xubuntu
[12:37] <bgergo94> hi
[12:37] <bgergo94> when will the xubuntu 8.04 arrive?
[12:38] <grothesk> Next week.
[12:38] <skep> thats the million dollar..err..euro..question
[12:38] <floating> hi. i want to extend my ext3 partition where my xubuntu install is. however there is swap space right after the xubuntu install. can i remove the swap space and ext3 over it, and make new swap space after that ?
[12:39] <floating> with simple partition magic 8 extend/ make partition tool
[12:39] <bgergo94> and will it have hungarian interface?
[12:44] <grothesk> bgergo94: Sure.
[12:44] <bgergo94> OK
[12:44] <bgergo94> thanks
[12:45] <bgergo94> i asked it anywhere: when will the asus eeepc arrive to hungary?
[12:48] <cpk1> is there a way to get each workspace to have a different background? (like in kde)
[12:48] <TheSheep> cpk1: no
[12:49] <cpk1> rats
[12:49] <cpk1> is it sad that that is a major bummer for me?
[12:50] <grothesk> Different backgrounds is a showstopper?
[12:50] <grothesk> Man, you got the priorities right.
[12:51] <cpk1> ahaha well, it would have been nice, I am still giving it the full run through it deserves though dont worry
[12:51] <MiKa^> rargh
[12:51] <MiKa^> my usb xubuntu gav me so much problems
[12:51] <MiKa^> that im rebuilding it from scratch... for the third time this week
[12:52] <Odd-rationale> cpk1: check wallpapoz (for gnome though). not sure if it works in xfce: http://www.getdeb.net/app/wallpapoz
[12:52] <cpk1> the biggest block for me right now is I am comfortable in my kde zone and need to figure out how to do everything again
[12:52] <cody-somerville> Release party in #ubuntu-release-party :)
[12:52] <cpk1> thanks Odd-rationale
[12:53] <skep> only a party yet.. ;-)
[12:57] <skep> anyway..time to get yet another coffee...
[13:01] <MiKa^> anyone uses xubuntu on USB pendrive here?
[13:03] <cody-somerville> I haven't but I've heard of people doing it, MiKa^
[13:03] <MiKa^> well, i have been using it all the time
[13:03] <MiKa^> just wanted to see if there's anyone who does it too :)
[13:04] <MiKa^> my uni computers are full of viruses
[13:04] <MiKa^> so i run my own xubuntu
[13:14] <PsynoKhi0> greetings, I bet I'm like the 17826487346th to ask today but... any ETA? :D
[13:14] <grothesk> Next week.
[13:14] <PsynoKhi0> uh?
[13:18] <cody-somerville> lol
[13:19] <cody-somerville> Soon! :D
[13:19] <PsynoKhi0> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/8.04/release/ there's 8.04 there but the homepage doesn't say anything
[13:19] <cody-somerville> That isn't the official image.
[13:20] <cody-somerville> Please don't post links until we announce it is ready ;]
[13:20] <PsynoKhi0> cody-somerville: my bad, got the link from another ubuntu site claiming HH is out...
[13:21] <PsynoKhi0> no harm intended
[13:21] <cody-somerville> no problem :)
[13:22] <PsynoKhi0> btw, how does a CD upgrade manages packages that are not included in th standard ISO?
[13:22] <cody-somerville> It'll look to the internet
[13:22] <PsynoKhi0> do I get an update reminder when I connect later?
[13:22] <cody-somerville> Yup
[13:23] <PsynoKhi0> ok
[13:23] <PsynoKhi0> oh and how about rep keys I added manually (.e.g Wine)
[13:23]  * cody-somerville nods.
[13:23] <skep> ubuntu is out now..
[13:24] <skep> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2008-April/000111.html
[13:25] <skep> now we have to wait for the official xubuntu release
[13:26] <TheSheep> http://www.xubuntu.org/news/hardy/release
[13:26] <TheSheep> access denied
[13:26] <TheSheep> hehe
[13:27] <skep> yeah :)
[13:32] <Odd-rationale> connection time out on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/
[13:32] <totalwormface> :]
[13:32] <totalwormface> it's always busy on release days
[13:34] <cody-somerville> Hello everyone!
[13:34] <cody-somerville> I have an announcement to make!
[13:34] <TheSheep> ...
[13:35] <skep> ...
[13:35] <Odd-rationale> ...
[13:35] <skep> access denied is gone
[13:35] <Stroganoff> ...
[13:36] <cody-somerville> I'm proud to announce that Xubuntu 8.04 is released!! :D
[13:36] <Odd-rationale> hurray!!!!
[13:36] <PsynoKhi0> :D
[13:36] <grothesk> I'm seeding it right now.
[13:36] <Stroganoff> *cough*
[13:36] <PsynoKhi0> (<-.-)
[13:36] <PsynoKhi0> (-.->)
[13:36] <skep> congratulations and many thanks to the xubuntu team
[13:36] <TheSheep> the screenshot is a tad big...
[13:36] <PsynoKhi0> like my "Travolta in Pulp Fiction" smilie?
[13:36] <PsynoKhi0> aye thanks!
[13:36]  * cody-somerville notes that the release announcement page still need a little tender love and care ;]
[13:37] <totalwormface> hurrahh
=== cody-somerville changed the topic of #xubuntu to: Official Xubuntu Support Channel | FAQ: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions | Support options: http://www.ubuntu.com/support | IRC info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCResourcePage | Pastes to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org | Xubuntu 8.04 Released: http://xubuntu.org/news/hardy/release
[13:37] <PsynoKhi0> hehe
[13:38] <skep> mirrors still syncing?
[13:38]  * cody-somerville nods.
[13:38] <skep> nevermind..now i can wait some minutes more..
[13:39] <MiKa^> uh wait... which to download? alternate or desktop?
[13:39] <cody-somerville> Please use torrents
[13:39] <cody-somerville> http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[13:39] <cody-somerville> MiKa^, Alternate is a text-based installer (good for older systems)
[13:39] <cody-somerville> The desktop is the desktop installer/live cd
[13:39] <MiKa^> oh ok thx
[13:39] <cody-somerville> You require atleast 192mb of ram to install from the live cd.
[13:39] <skep> are the torrents there the correct ones?
[13:39] <cody-somerville> I believe so, yes.
[13:41] <MiKa^> whee torrenting
[13:41] <PsynoKhi0> cody-somerville: file sizes don't match
[13:41] <MiKa^> o.O
[13:42] <PsynoKhi0> ah nope.... SUF
[13:42] <cody-somerville> SUF?
[13:42] <PsynoKhi0> Stupid User Failure
[13:42] <cody-somerville> Ah.
[13:42] <cody-somerville> So everything is good? :)
[13:43] <PsynoKhi0> cody-somerville: actually, I clicked on the Torrent link: http://www.xubuntu.org/get#hardy
[13:43] <cody-somerville> doh
[13:43] <PsynoKhi0> and it sent me to Gutsy D/L torrent page
[13:43] <Linuturk> lol
[13:43] <cody-somerville> Updated link
[13:44] <C|-|R15> anyone got link for xubuntu new release on torrent?
[13:44] <cody-somerville> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/hardy/release/
[13:44] <Linuturk> cody-somerville: US Hardy mirror down?
[13:44] <PsynoKhi0> cody-somerville: thanks :) I thought "dang this IS a fast connection me got today" ;)
[13:44] <cody-somerville> hehe
[13:45] <cody-somerville> Linuturk, Hardy was just released.
[13:45] <cody-somerville> Linuturk, Mirrors haven't synced yet.
[13:45] <Linuturk> ah
[13:45] <Linuturk> k
[13:46]  * grothesk ist seeding ubuntu, kubuntu and xubuntu as alternate aswell as desktop iso.
[13:46] <C|-|R15> thanks cody
[13:46] <Linuturk> wow, these servers are hammered
[13:46] <grothesk> Linuturk: Use torrent.
[13:47] <cody-somerville> Cheers everyone!! :)
[13:47] <Linuturk> lol, I am . . . getting the torrent file is taking a long time ;p
[13:47] <grothesk> Using hammered Servers will take even longer. Believe me.
[13:48] <PsynoKhi0> darnit, utorrent acting up
[13:48] <grothesk> µtorrent?
[13:48] <PsynoKhi0> ye
[13:49] <PsynoKhi0> nvm fixed
[14:03] <Stroganoff> please confirm and post logfiles: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/base-installer/+bug/202959
[14:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 202959 in debian-installer "[hardy] generating locales stalls on 64mb ram" [Undecided,Confirmed]
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[14:58] <Ben_Cs> hello
[14:59] <PsynoKhi0> hi
[14:59] <Odd-rationale> Ben_Cs: Hi
[14:59] <MiKa^> good day
[15:00] <Ben_Cs> i installed hardy when it became release candidate. and kept it updated. one of the updates deleted update manager. so i don't know if i can upgrade to the "hardy release" version, and how.
[15:00] <Ben_Cs> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade , does nothing
[15:00] <MiKa^> o.O
[15:01] <Ben_Cs> anyone please?
[15:02] <MiKa^> im sorry but i cant help
[15:03] <soren> Ben_Cs: If you installed the RC and kept i updated, then you're already running the final release.
[15:03] <grothesk> Ben_Cs: No need to upgrade anything, Ben_Cs
[15:03] <soren> Ben_Cs: And then, obviously, there's nothing to upgrade.
[15:03] <Ben_Cs> soren: so why one of the updates removed the update manager?
[15:03] <soren> Dunno.
[15:04] <soren> Still, if apt-get dist-upgrade is silent, then you're fine.
[15:04] <grothesk> If your sources.list is alright...
[15:07] <jarnos> Hello. how can you keep Firefox bookmarks  from Gutsy if you want to install Hardy using Desktop CD?
[15:07] <Ben_Cs> ok thNKA
[15:07] <Ben_Cs> thanks
[15:08] <h4mx0r> jarnos: export them, go to manage bookmarks and choose file then export
[15:09] <h4mx0r> jarnos: there also a lot of settings in your /home/user directory with a period in front of them enable hidden file viewing to grab some of them if you want too
[15:13] <jarnos> h4mx0r: Thanks :)
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[15:14] <h4mx0r> jarnos: no prob
[15:19] <Ben_Cs> well i installed back the update-manager package that was removed on one update. how do i make it, like it was before, that is sits in tray icon and checks for updates periodically?
[15:20] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: settings->autostarted applications
[15:20] <MiKa^> u mean it can actually sit in the tray just by autostarting it?
[15:22] <PsynoKhi0> we could use more seeds :}
[15:23] <MiKa^> agree
[15:23] <MiKa^> but well, it just came out
[15:23] <grothesk> I'm seeding, I'm seeding...
[15:23] <MiKa^> uh, can anyone direct me to the xubuntu general channel again?
[15:24] <PsynoKhi0> MiKa^ you mean ubuntu?
[15:24] <MiKa^> urm... xubuntu?
[15:24] <MiKa^> ah nvm i got it from the website
[15:24] <PsynoKhi0> nvm thought this was the only xubuntu-related one :P
[15:25] <MiKa^> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/IRC
[15:27]  * PsynoKhi0 hands out shovels.... "Plant, dang it!" :P
[15:27] <MiKa^> wo? planting?
[15:28] <Ben_Cs> ubuntu-manager is at auto-started apps, but it opens regulary insteD OF SITTING IN TRAY
[15:29] <MiKa^> well that's what i was thinking too
[15:39] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: how do i make update-manager in tray?
[15:41] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: it displays a tray icon when there is an update
[15:41] <TheSheep> patience, grasshopper
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[15:44] <grothesk> What about the LTS Statis of xubuntu?
[15:45] <grothesk> Is Hardy LTS?
[15:45] <MiKa^> well, AFAIK, yes it is
[15:45] <MiKa^> or maybe it's only for ubuntu?
[15:45] <PsynoKhi0> advertised as such on the webbie
[15:46] <MiKa^> someone pls correct me
[15:46] <PsynoKhi0> KDEs hardy isn't
[15:46] <PsynoKhi0> x/ubuntu 8.04 are afaik, not kubuntu
[15:47] <grothesk> Ok.
[15:47] <MiKa^> thx
[15:48] <MiKa^> for some reason i do not like KDE at all
[15:48] <PsynoKhi0> makes you wonder though... what if you install x/ubuntu 8.04 then d/l kde-desktop, do you lose the LTS?
[15:48] <MiKa^> ahha.
[15:50] <PsynoKhi0> hmmm sometimes I feel sort of a specialist in "why the hell would you do that in the first place" kind of questions :P
[15:57] <clintc_> anyone got a stable torrent tracker for xubuntu 386
[16:01] <diginux> can someone please tell me the name of the new screen resolution program for hardy?
[16:01] <diginux> ie: the command line name
[16:02] <MiKa^> does anyone have any image which i can proudly show off such as "I AM A LINUX USER!"?
[16:04] <PsynoKhi0> MiKa^ http://anarka.org/files/Linux_Wallpapers/NeverBeAlone_1600x1200.jpg
[16:07] <diginux> so no one knows the command for the new program to change the screen resolution in hardy?
[16:11] <MiKa^> PsynoKhi0: not what i expected, but thanks anyway
[16:12] <PsynoKhi0> MiKa^: uh np
[16:14] <Wizz> hello, i just installed network manager but i dont know how to get it runnig, where does it install? i used the add/remove tool
[16:15] <TheSheep> Wizz: I think that it runs at startup and appears next to your clock
[16:15] <PsynoKhi0> Wizz: can you launch nm-applet?
[16:15] <Wizz> no, it doesn't run at startup
[16:15] <PsynoKhi0> and check your autostarted apps
[16:15] <Wizz> how do i launch the applet?
[16:16] <PsynoKhi0> alt+f2, sudo nm-applet maybe
[16:16] <PsynoKhi0> uh wait
[16:16] <PsynoKhi0> from a  terminal rather
[16:16] <Wizz> hey!
[16:16] <Wizz> it worked
[16:16] <PsynoKhi0> :D
[16:17] <thinkmassive> diginux: you can't just use the Display Preferences under Settings?
[16:17] <Wizz> hmm, not really
[16:17] <PsynoKhi0> D:
[16:17] <Wizz> /bin/sh: /usr/bin/esd: not found
[16:17] <diginux> thinkmassive: is that the "new program"? i was hoping for more.. like screen rotation, external monitor, etc.
[16:17] <Wizz> what does that mean?
[16:17] <cody-somerville> Wizz, Where do you see that and in what version?
[16:18] <Wizz> in the terminal after writing sudo nm-applet, i use Xubuntu 7.03 i think
[16:21] <Wizz> cody-somerville:  in the terminal after writing sudo nm-applet, i use Xubuntu 7.03 i think
[16:21] <grothesk> Wizz: cat /etc/lsb-release
[16:22] <Wizz> hey! cool, i run Ubuntu 7.04
[16:23] <diginux> how can no one know the name of this new program? its stated about in the release notes and everything "..brings a new Screen Resolution utility that allows users to dynamically configure the resolution, refresh rate, and rotation of a second monitor."
[16:23] <diginux> I don't see it listed in help, and googling hasn't been helpful so far
[16:26] <AaronMT> Can I get a link to the amd64 bit torrent, I cant even load the mirror list
[16:26] <cody-somerville> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/hardy/release/ doens't load for you?
[16:27] <AaronMT> Timed out
[16:29] <AaronMT> There we go, 8 weeks remaining
[16:30] <PsynoKhi0> btw... how about the md5?
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[16:34] <thinkmassive> diginux: Settings -> Screens and Graphics
[16:34] <thinkmassive> I can't remember where desktop compositing is
[16:34] <diginux> thinkmassive: i dont have a screens and graphics.. it disappeared when i upgraded to hardy
[16:35] <PsynoKhi0> thinkmassive: under one of the windows settings menu
[16:36] <diginux> i get to xfce settings manager, using xfce-settings-show
[16:36] <PsynoKhi0> if we're thinking about the same thing
[16:36] <diginux> then the only related thing i see is display
[16:36] <diginux> is the screen and graphics not part of the xfce settings manager?
[16:36] <edistar> hi, can you help me? I have a laptop here with 600mhz and 128mb ram.. so I thought xfce would be perfect. now it says on the website I need 192mb to install and 128 to run? how do I install with only 128mb installed?
[16:37] <diginux> if so, could someone tell me the command line for it? because i had personalized my right click menu heavily, and with the upgrade of xfce 4.4, everything in Settings-> pretty much disappeared :(
[16:37] <edistar> if I install ubuntu alternative (text-based) and then install a package a la xfce-desktop, do I get everything'd get if I installed xubuntu?
[16:38] <chewit> does anyone know if people using 8.04RC get an update today to the final release
[16:39] <diginux> chewit: I am also wondering that myself..
[16:39] <MiKa^> well
[16:39] <PsynoKhi0> someone said ealier that the updated RC doesn't need upgrade
[16:39] <MiKa^> they did say we can upgrade from 7.10 and 6.06
[16:39] <cody-somerville> PsynoKhi0, correct
[16:40] <MiKa^> i think i will go try upgrading my 7.10 later
[16:41] <chewit> diginux, in sys monitor it says release 8.04
[16:41] <MiKa^> do i have to be root to upgrade?
[16:41] <MiKa^> or any user with root priviledges?
[16:41] <diginux> chewit: yeah, i saw that too, so i figured we dont nee dto
[16:41] <cody-somerville> MiKa^, It'll ask you for your password if you use the update-manager
[16:41] <MiKa^> ooh ok
[16:41] <MiKa^> thx
[16:41] <chewit> diginux, also do u still have all the gusty software sources
[16:42] <edistar> is there anything like xubuntu alternate?
[16:42] <cody-somerville> edistar, What do you mean?
[16:42] <MiKa^> i think there is?
[16:42] <diginux> chewit: I do not
[16:42] <PsynoKhi0> should be, otherwise I'm d/ling 577 MB of thin air :D
[16:43] <chewit> ah
[16:43] <chewit> i still do
[16:43] <PsynoKhi0> 557MB even
[16:43] <diginux> chewit: i only switched to hardy beta within the last week
[16:43] <chewit> but i do have the hardy ones as well
[16:43] <diginux> chewit: when did you switch?
[16:43] <PsynoKhi0> funny that this release is sizeably smaller than gutsy
[16:43] <chewit> yesturday
[16:43] <diginux> oh weird
[16:43] <diginux> i think the updater is supposed to switch out the gutsy ones
[16:44] <chewit> well my update was fully successful. it missed out the clean up part
[16:44] <edistar> cody-somerville: a non-graphical install
[16:44] <chewit> was not*
[16:45] <diginux> edistar: do-release-upgrade -d
[16:45] <clintc_> edistar: the trackers are not stable at the moment but what you are looking for is here: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/hardy/release/alternate/
[16:45] <chewit> i have cleaned most of the stuff myself
[16:45] <clintc_> if someone knows of a stable tracker please commnet
[16:46] <MiKa^> im getting 0.3kBps here -.-
[16:49] <AaronMT> please seed on torrents
[16:49] <AaronMT> 20kb/sec
[16:50] <edistar> clintc_: thanks
[16:51] <chewit> diginux, do u know if they do, do an update from RC to the full release
[16:51]  * TheSheep seeds like there is no tomorrow
[16:51] <diginux> chewit: so far i am guessing they dont
[16:51] <chewit> i'm fairly sure Mark Shuttleworth on this ubuntu podcast said their would be
[16:51] <diginux> diginux@heisenberg:~$ lsb_release -a
[16:51] <diginux> No LSB modules are available.
[16:51] <diginux> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[16:51] <diginux> Description:	Ubuntu 8.04
[16:51] <diginux> Release:	8.04
[16:51] <diginux> Codename:	hardy
[16:51] <diginux> diginux@heisenberg:~$
[16:51] <diginux> doesnt say anything about beta or RC
[16:52] <edistar> TheSheep: there won't be a tomorrow
[16:52] <chewit> ok, thanks
[16:55] <chewit> yeh, i get the same when i do lsb_release -a
[17:10] <skep_> anyone got the md5 of xubuntu alternative iso?
[17:11] <skep_> *alternate
[17:13] <grothesk> Should be aa3106ae4cdb3bc944d4e90fa75d8743
[17:13] <grothesk> aa3106ae4cdb3bc944d4e90fa75d8743  xubuntu-8.04-alternate-i386.iso
[17:15] <skep_> hmm..gah
[17:15] <skep_> mine is different
[17:15] <grothesk> Reload it.
[17:17] <grothesk> Sorry! Mine was faulty!
[17:19] <grothesk> 4f398cd35eaf297347f18634a5be5d77 *xubuntu-8.04-alternate-i386.iso
[17:19] <skep_> ah..that looks similiar...yes..the same
[17:19] <skep_> puh :)
[17:20] <skep_> thanks
[17:20] <grothesk> Schau hier: http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/xubuntu/releases/8.04/release/MD5SUMS
[17:21] <skep_> ah ok, danke
[17:35] <PsynoKhi0> could someone please paste the MD5 for 8.04 alternate i386?
[17:36] <MiKa^> 4f398cd35eaf297347f18634a5be5d77
[17:36] <MiKa^> copied from above
[17:37] <PsynoKhi0> above?
[17:37] <skep_> does the live cd support luks?
[17:37] <PsynoKhi0> MiKa^: nvm, thanks!
[17:38] <diginux> skep_: only alternative i think
[17:38] <skep_> ok
[17:59] <PsynoKhi0> does a alternate CD upgrade requires a fully updated 7.10?
[18:00] <diginux> found the program finally: displayconfig-gtk, only thing is it only works on laptop, crashes on my desktop :(
[18:06] <PsynoKhi0> cd upgrade borked, yay
[18:08] <Stroganoff> whoops
[18:18] <MiKa^> argh
[18:18] <MiKa^> can anyone tell me how to restore my sources.list?
[18:18] <MiKa^> or can anyone give me one?
[18:19] <TheSheep> !esysource
[18:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about esysource - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:19] <TheSheep> !easysource
[18:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about easysource - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:19] <TheSheep> O.o
[18:19] <Stroganoff> !sources.list
[18:19] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories
[18:19] <TheSheep> MiKa^: you can go to system->software sources and have one generated there
[18:20] <MiKa^> ooh
[18:20] <MiKa^> thx
[18:22] <MiKa^> using the revert option is it?
[18:23] <TheSheep> I guess so
[18:23] <mik3> i see no xubuntu-desktop metapackage in the new ubuntu's release
[18:23] <mik3> anyone know when that's coming out
[18:23] <TheSheep> !info xubuntu-desktop
[18:23] <ubotu> xubuntu-desktop (source: xubuntu-meta): Xubuntu desktop system. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.66 (hardy), package size 14 kB, installed size 40 kB
[18:42] <PsynoKhi0> is there a command to force the network monitor applet to restart? I tried something like "/etc/init.d/networking restart" but didn't help me (roaming mode doesn't really work)
[18:42] <PsynoKhi0> dhclient as well as ifconfig down/up either
[18:44] <PsynoKhi0> on my desktop I can left click on the applet icon and choose "wired connection", bu that option is grayed out on my laptop
[18:48] <mik3> ah ok the mirrors are so lagged all the repos got commented out
[18:48] <mik3> thanks
[18:51] <R[a]ndom> dog!
[18:51] <R[a]ndom> er
[18:51] <R[a]ndom> lol
[18:51]  * R[a]ndom remembers not to type while channels are autojoining
[18:59] <dunnix> hello all
[19:02] <ylar35> hey
[19:20] <dreamz93> Hello, I'm having some pulseaudio problems. My pulseaudio is running. Apps show up in the volume control. But no actual sound.
[19:21] <dreamz93> i've set up /etc/asound.conf as the perfect setup says. and I've tried various edits to my default.pa and used the gui. same result.
[19:22] <dreamz93> I'm running a fully updated hardy that i upgraded from gutsy.
[19:22] <dreamz93> I had good sound before.
[19:22] <dreamz93> I actually had sound at one point, but must have messed something up.
[19:24] <dreamz93> Does anyone have a clue of what could be going on? Everything looks good, but no sound. I do also get the startup sound before i log in
[19:35] <jgamio> hi everybody i just did the upgrade but when i install firefox2 from the repos in the menu firefox 2 still run the firefox 3
[19:41] <cody-somerville> jgamio, You need to make sure firefox-3 is completely closed before starting firefox2
[19:42] <jgamio> cody-somerville thanks
[19:43] <cody-somerville> np
[19:44] <jgamio> cody-somerville but in feisty you can both at same time is these a bug ?
[19:45] <cody-somerville> Bug, probably. Easy to fix? Probably not.
[19:51] <PsynoKhi0> cody-somerville: ermm where do i get MD5s? :(
[19:54] <Linuturk> xubuntu doesn't use compiz, does it? I hope it uses the built in compositing in xfce
[19:54] <PsynoKhi0> not out of the box
[19:54] <PsynoKhi0> afaik
[19:55] <Linuturk> which one PsynoKhi0 ?
[19:55] <PsynoKhi0> compiz
[19:55] <Linuturk> so, it uses compiz, but not out of the box?
[19:55] <PsynoKhi0> hardy I don't know, I can check for gutsy, hang on
[19:56] <Linuturk> what's the steps required for purging compiz and using the built in compositing in xfce?
[19:57] <NekoKun> What is Alternate Install?
[19:57] <NekoKun> !alternate
[19:57] <ubotu> The Alternate CD is a classical text-mode install CD. It supports a wider range of hardware than the !LiveCD, and can also be used as an upgrade CD.  Look for the alternate checkbox on the Ubuntu download page - See also !minimal - Torrent at http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/ubuntu-8.04-alternate-i386.iso.torrent
[19:57] <NekoKun> mmm
[19:57] <PsynoKhi0> Linuturk: nope, compiz doesn't ship with xubuntu 7.10 in any case
[19:58] <Syntux> There is no shipit for xubuntu ?
[19:58] <Linuturk> cool
[19:58] <PsynoKhi0> Linuturk: or rather, xubuntu doesn't ship with compiz :)
[19:58] <Linuturk> thanks PsynoKhi0
[19:58] <PsynoKhi0> np
[19:58] <Linuturk> does the built in compositing work for you?
[19:59] <PsynoKhi0> Linuturk: yes, but not great because my xubuntu computers have old gfx chipsets
[19:59] <Linuturk> gotcha
[19:59] <Linuturk> I've got the hardware for it
[19:59] <PsynoKhi0> the effects work (shadows, transparency) but menus get all scrambled as I open them, I hate it
[19:59] <Linuturk> :)
[20:00] <PsynoKhi0> Syntux: there's a note on that on the official website
[20:01] <Syntux> PsynoKhi0, Ubuntu website you mean?
[20:02] <PsynoKhi0> xubuntu's
[20:02] <PsynoKhi0> http://xubuntu.org/get
[20:02] <PsynoKhi0> "ShipIt Unfortunately, unlike the other Ubuntu derivatives, Xubuntu does not yet have free cds available for shipping due to lack of funding."
[20:03] <Syntux> PsynoKhi0, yeah I got it, lack of funding vs huge community work darn
[20:04] <Syntux> PsynoKhi0, and no DVD ISO ?
[20:05] <ylar35> hows the eeepc xubuntu?
[20:05] <PsynoKhi0> Syntux: no clue
[20:05] <ylar35> better than xandros i hope
[20:20] <MKdx> hello
[20:22] <MKdx> just to confirm about the preserving /home feature that was planned for ubuntu.. Is it implemented in Xubuntu?
[20:22] <PsynoKhi0> MKdx: what do you mean?
[20:23] <TheSheep> MKdx: the '/home feature'???
[20:23] <PsynoKhi0> MKdx: I always put /home on a separate partition myself, so no worries
[20:24] <MKdx> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbiquityPreserveHome
[20:25] <MKdx> i.e. installing Xubuntu and preserving the old home directory
[20:28] <gopp> any one know if new ubuntu support dual
[20:28] <gopp> monitor setup
[20:37] <Ahmuck> is there any way to get a download from xubuntu.  it appears that all the mirrors don't have the release
[20:37] <TheSheep> Ahmuck: use the torrent
[20:41] <TheSheep> Ahmuck: http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[20:51] <Ahmuck> xubuntu have a power pc version?
[20:51] <TheSheep> I think that 8.04 doesn't
[20:53] <Ahmuck> 8.04 does not have any powerpc version?  has *buntu droped the powerpc?
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[20:54] <grothesk> Ahmuck: Yes, it has.
[20:55] <grothesk> There is no official PPC-Version anymore.
[20:55] <grothesk> Although there might be an unofficial port somewhere.
[20:55] <Ahmuck> hrm, looking at the torrent downloads, there is a 8.04 powerpc ubuntu version ... i assume that xubuntu has dropped the powerpc version?
[20:56] <grothesk> I think xubuntu dropped PPC due to lack of maintainers.
[20:57] <grothesk> PPC always was a stepchild for xubuntu.
[20:57] <grothesk> I think, dapper was never officially released.
[20:57] <grothesk> The last version of PPC-dapper I know of was a Beta-Version, iirc.
[21:00] <Ahmuck> :-( ... i have five
[21:09] <Michae1> ah, hello?  I am actually very new to irc.
[21:10] <Michae1> just today, in fact.  so...
[21:10] <Michae1> I'm not really sure what's going on.  I'm just looking for xubuntu help...
[21:11] <Ahmuck> hi Michae1
[21:11] <Ahmuck> how can we help
[21:11] <Michae1> oh, cool, well, I wonder if it's possible to install Heron over  the internet on Knoppix.
[21:12] <Ahmuck> download the iso via torrent
[21:12] <Ahmuck> burn the iso, and then install
[21:12] <Ahmuck> r u using knoppix now?
[21:12] <TheSheep> !install
[21:12] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in a lot of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall. Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[21:12] <Michae1> yes.  The thing is, I'm on an ultraportable that doesn't have an optical drive, and won't boot from USB.
[21:12] <TheSheep> there is a detailed howto on these pages
[21:13] <Michae1> ok, I'll take a look at those.....
[21:14] <Ahmuck> wow, that'll be a challenge.
[21:14] <Ahmuck> does the ultra portable have drive space?
[21:14] <Ahmuck> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation#head-b751f1c9b3b4e0c27d6bc8828a831de92eb57a70
[21:15] <Ahmuck> actually, you should be able to mount the iso and install
[21:16] <Michae1> yes, I have 20G of unused space.  I looked at ubotu's last link, and ..I think I might be able to do that.
[21:22] <Ahmuck> so, if i download ubuntu powerpc 8.04, can i sudo aptitude install xcfe-desktop and it will work?
[21:23] <TheSheep> Ahmuck: yes, but better use apt-get in place of aptitude
[21:23] <TheSheep> Ahmuck: you will get to choose the desktop at login time
[21:23] <Ahmuck> k, thx
[21:25] <Michae1> I'm actually also pretty much brand new to Linux as well.  I know what the terminal is and other basic stuff like that, so I think I can get through those instructions.
[21:25] <Michae1> so thanks guys
[21:26] <Michae1> I'll just come back if it turns out I'm too dumb to figure this out.
[21:26] <TheSheep> Michae1: don't hesitate to ask
[21:28] <minidev> hi. anybody uses a toshiba m100?
[21:29] <Michae1> hah, I'm on an R100
[21:30] <minidev> ok, here is my concerns....
[21:30] <Odd-rationale> How do I choose my video drivers, resolution, etc? I looked in the xorg file. I don't understand "Configured Video Device"... :?
[21:30] <floating> will 7.10 guides work on 8.04 ?
[21:31] <minidev> i tried to install xubunto paalell to a winxp on my netebook.... but, ithink grub, reports an error, and it won't boot
[21:31] <Odd-rationale> floating: not all. but the principles are mostly the same
[21:31] <minidev> a pci allocation error ----
[21:32] <TheSheep> paalell?
[21:32] <Ahmuck> parallel to xp
[21:32] <minidev> uhh, paralell
[21:32] <Ahmuck> dual boot
[21:32] <minidev> right
[21:32] <TheSheep> Odd-rationale: you run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' and choose everything from menus
[21:33] <BadSneakers> floating  they should, yes.
[21:33] <TheSheep> BadSneakers: pardon?
[21:33] <Odd-rationale> TheSheep: tried that. sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't give as many options as in gutsy...
[21:33] <TheSheep> BadSneakers: ah, sorry
[21:33] <Ahmuck> minidev: there are resuce disk for grub
[21:33] <TheSheep> Odd-rationale: what do you need exactly?
[21:33] <Ahmuck> !grub
[21:33] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[21:34] <Odd-rationale> TheSheep: I need to increase my reloution. I did it in gutsy by running "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and choosing vesa as my driver and 1400x1050
[21:35] <Odd-rationale> then restarted x
[21:35] <TheSheep> Odd-rationale: what graphics card do you have?
[21:35] <TheSheep> Odd-rationale: vesa is a fallback driver, very bad
[21:36] <TheSheep> Odd-rationale: lspci will list (some of) your hardware
[21:36] <Odd-rationale> TheSheep: actually. I'm running live. so I thought vesa would be best. let me check though...
[21:36] <thomas__> *** ERROR: search aborted by fatal exception.  You may continue searching, but some solutions will be unreachable.
[21:36] <thomas__> what's up with that?!
[21:37] <TheSheep> thomas__: can you provide more context?
[21:37] <TheSheep> thomas__: for example, which program shows this?
[21:37] <Odd-rationale> TheSheep: it is nvidia geforce 6150
[21:37] <TheSheep> Odd-rationale: ok, then use the rstricted drivers manager to install proper drivers for it
[21:37] <thomas__> sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[21:38] <TheSheep> Odd-rationale: it should be in the 'system' menu
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[21:38] <Odd-rationale> TheSheep: I'm on a live cd. Just want to demo it to some friends...
[21:38] <The_Kernel> TheSheep: when it tries to resolve dependancies
[21:39] <TheSheep> The_Kernel: this means that the normal upgrade would fail due to some errors or conflicts, and aptitude attempted to search for a 'solution' that would not fail, but it failed somehow and so not all solutions will be examined
[21:39] <Ahmuck> i suspect the repositories are getting hammered
[21:39] <TheSheep> The_Kernel: I'd just apt-get and see which package is troublesome, them remove it and install back after the upgrade
[21:39] <minidev> is it normal that grub shows ubuntu in the os-list when i have yubuntu installed?
[21:39] <TheSheep> Odd-rationale: vesa will be horribly slow
[21:39] <TheSheep> Odd-rationale: you can try using the 'nv' driver too
[21:40] <Ahmuck> apt-get really needs to do the downloading via bittorrent in situations such as these
[21:40] <TheSheep> Odd-rationale: in that reconfigure thing
[21:40] <Odd-rationale> that's ok. just where do I go choose a driver?
[21:40] <TheSheep> Ahmuck: feel free to write such a backend for it :D
[21:40] <Odd-rationale> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't give the option... :(
[21:40] <Ahmuck> minidev: u mean kubuntu?
[21:40] <TheSheep> Odd-rationale: at the first menu
[21:40] <Ahmuck> or xubuntu
[21:40] <minidev> er, xubuntu
[21:41] <The_Kernel> TheSheep: it just starts downloading the packages
[21:41] <TheSheep> Odd-rationale: try dpkg-reconfigure -p 0
[21:41] <minidev> lol, its running.....
[21:42] <The_Kernel> oh well
[21:42] <The_Kernel> I gues ill use apt-get
[21:45] <PsynoKhi0> anyone familiar with roaming mode being dead beat?
[21:45] <PsynoKhi0> in gutsy
[21:49] <Odd-rationale> TheSheep: found someone with a similar problem in the forums. guess, will find a solution soon...
[21:56] <The_Kernel> Heh, I'm gonna wait like a week before upgrading
[21:56] <The_Kernel> its jsut taking to long
[21:56] <The_Kernel> just
[21:56] <The_Kernel> after 15 minutes it finally finished its first megabyte!
[21:56] <TheSheep> The_Kernel: hehe, I upgraded yesterday, and today it said: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[21:58] <The_Kernel> Yeah
[21:58] <The_Kernel> I wanted to upgrade yesturday, but one of my family members died
[21:59] <TheSheep> how inconsiderate
[22:00] <TheSheep> well, I suppose it should be over in a couple of days
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[22:05] <TheSheep> The_Kernel: sorry about that
[22:05] <TheSheep> The_Kernel: a reflex
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[22:10] <The_Kernel> :P
[22:10] <The_Kernel> I laughed
[22:12] <TheSheep> The_Kernel: phew
[22:13] <The_Kernel> I didn't like him anyways
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[22:30] <boolka> is there torrent for 8.04 ?
[22:30] <grothesk> boolka: It is.
[22:31] <boolka> what?
[22:31] <TheSheep> boolka: http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969
[22:31] <grothesk> http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[22:33] <boolka> holy crap 4 gigs?
[22:33] <boolka> nm
[22:34] <grothesk> boolka: What is 4Gig?
[22:35] <yukonho> Hi - has anyone else had the problem of xubuntu failing to detect their hardware? I'm talking specifically about the boot sequence where it says "Loading hardware drivers ..... [failed]". I don't have a special video or wireless card and have never had a problem with any other distro... is this a bug?
[22:35] <TheSheep> grothesk: the dvd probably
[22:35] <grothesk> xubuntu dvd? O_o
[22:36] <boolka> what is the difference between alternate and regular?
[22:36] <maxamillion> boolka: regular is a liveCD with a graphical installer, alternate is text mode installer
[22:36] <grothesk> Desktop= LiveCD          Alternate=SpecialPurposes
[22:37] <boolka> thanks maxamillion
[22:37] <maxamillion> boolka: anytime
[22:38] <boolka> wondering is if 8.04 will have an easy way to get svideo out to work on laptop
[22:45] <PsynoKhi0> ermm any idea why Brasero won't burn at the speed I choose?
[22:45] <TheSheep> PsynoKhi0: it choses among the available speeds
[22:45] <TheSheep> PsynoKhi0: the closest one
[22:46] <PsynoKhi0> so I can't burn any slower than 10x?
[22:46] <PsynoKhi0> that blows for ISOs...
[22:46] <TheSheep> PsynoKhi0: not with that hardware, apparently
[22:46] <TheSheep> PsynoKhi0: why would you?
[22:47] <PsynoKhi0> well, from what I've read... the slower the better to ensure a long lasting CD
[22:47] <TheSheep> PsynoKhi0: to a degree
[22:47] <TheSheep> PsynoKhi0: at some point longer contact doesn't make greater change in the medium
[22:47] <TheSheep> PsynoKhi0: and modern burners have much larger power of the laser
[22:50] <PsynoKhi0> TheSheep: ok guess I'll trust you :)
[22:51] <TheSheep> PsynoKhi0: don't
[22:51] <PsynoKhi0> ah
[22:51] <PsynoKhi0> :(
[22:54] <boolka> TheSheep does 8.04 support special functions of laptops? i.e  svideo out?
[22:55] <TheSheep> boolka: what do you mean by "support"?
[22:56] <PsynoKhi0> TheSheep: file integrity check failed -.-
[22:56] <TheSheep> I have no trouble using svide and vga out of my laptop under linux, using xrandr
[22:56] <boolka> if i press  special function + f4 (svideo out) - will it show a picture on my tv?
[22:57] <TheSheep> I use 'xrandr --output LVDS --auto' for that...
[22:57] <TheSheep> but you can bind it to a key
[22:58] <boolka> once i type that command, it will turn on svideo?
[22:59] <leche> had anybody have any problems with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org on a fresh xubuntu hardy install?
[23:01] <riskbreaker> hey guys.i have the problem described in this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=761447 i'm trying to use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but it's convinced i am on a laptop and tries to load abattery module. i'm not, so it fails, and crashes, and my xorg.conf is incomplete.
[23:01] <riskbreaker> it has been since the clean installation of xubuntu i performed an hour ago, presuambly this battery prbolem is why.
[23:01] <riskbreaker> anyone familiar with the problem?
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[23:02] <leche> riskbreaker, yes..
[23:03] <leche> dpkg-reconfigure isnt working properly
[23:03] <leche> at least at my xorg.conf
[23:03] <riskbreaker> lovely. anything that can be done about it?
[23:04] <james_> how do I change my window themes under 8.04?
[23:04] <leche> riskbreaker, i dont know anything official... its just my experience with it
[23:04] <Odd-rationale> seems like there is some difference with the new xorg (7.03)
[23:06] <leche> well. dpkg-reconfigure didnt ask me about card, resolution and so on...
[23:06] <leche> its all unconfigured in the resulting file..
[23:06] <leche> --> not working..
[23:06] <riskbreaker> correct
[23:06] <riskbreaker> yeah
[23:06] <riskbreaker> same problem here
[23:08] <Odd-rationale> I'm currently keeping an eye on this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=765422
[23:09] <james_> can someone help me with my noob question
[23:09] <james_> i cant find where to change the theme in the new xubuntu
[23:10] <riskbreaker> yeah hopefully that thread will lead to answers
[23:18] <Odd-rationale> james_: applications --> setting --> settings manager
[23:19] <james_> i have no settings manager
[23:20] <riskbreaker> btw this is my first time on xubuntu, what does the button at the top left of a window do
[23:20] <TheSheep> riskbreaker: displays a menu
[23:21] <riskbreaker> no next to the icon of the window
[23:21] <riskbreaker> it's like a little dot
[23:22] <james_> it puts that window on every desktop
[23:29] <riskbreaker> oh thats cool.
[23:31] <The-Kernel> :P
[23:32] <Ultraputz> question: how do you upgrade to 8 from the alternate CD?
[23:41] <PsynoKhi0> how does the integrity control in Brasero work?
[23:44] <Ultraputz> any idea how to do cd-based upgrade of xubuntu from 7 to 8 ?
[23:48] <ere4si> Ultraputz: I would think it would be a matter of editing /etc/apt/sources.list and adding a line for the cd
[23:49] <ere4si> and disable all other sources
[23:50] <Ultraputz> hrm. for regular ubuntu, it's gksu "sh /cdrom/cdromupgrade"
[23:51] <ere4si> Ultraputz: try that and see what happens
[23:53] <Ultraputz> burning it now on the sad little imac g3.
[23:53] <Ultraputz> we'll see :-)
[23:54] <Odd-rationale> is there a way to lock an xfce session? I couldn't find it...
[23:55] <Ultraputz> good question