2008/04/23/#kubuntu-devel.txt

[01:13] <dirka> Hey, anybody around?
[01:20] <Riddell> oh
[02:48] <Riddell> new DVDs and live CDs up for testing
[02:49]  * Riddell sleeps
[02:53] <jjesse> yay new cds :)
[04:11] <yuriy> evening
[04:11] <yuriy> hmm could somebody politely respond to bug 219412
[04:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 219412 in kubuntu-default-settings "start/windows key does nothing" [Wishlist,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/219412
[04:15] <yuriy> based on his comments in bug 219413 i kind of just want to tell him to go use pclinuxos or similar
[04:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 219413 in kdebase-workspace "double clicking upper left of windows doesn't close them" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/219413
[04:27]  * Hobbsee waves
[04:28] <Jucato> politely != striking with long pointy stick of doom :P
[04:28]  * Jucato waves back
[04:30] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:33] <yuriy> hmm SSH X forwarding works a whole lot less nicely cross country
[04:38] <Hobbsee> yuriy: indeed.
[05:31] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: youre there!
[05:31] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: hate to see you go sarah
[05:31] <Hobbsee> i am, yes
[05:32] <Hobbsee> but then again, i'm not running the distro, hadn haven't been for a release, so...
[05:32] <coreymon77> but, thanks for all your contributions
[05:32] <Hobbsee> it gives someone else a shot
[05:32] <Hobbsee> you're welcome :)
[05:32] <coreymon77> i know
[05:32] <coreymon77> but, its sad to see one of us leave
[05:32] <coreymon77> you know?
[05:33] <coreymon77> make sure you stick around here on the channel
[05:35] <nixternal> Hobbsee isn't going anywhere! That long pointy stick is here forever!
[05:35] <coreymon77> lol
[05:35] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:35] <coreymon77> as long as you dont completely leave us
[05:37]  * Hobbsee shrugs
[05:37] <nixternal> Hobbsee: have you checked out Tasque for Gnome yet? Zonker from Novell showed it off to us as this weekends con...totally awesome!
[05:37] <Hobbsee> nope?
[05:37] <Hobbsee> what is it?
[05:38] <nixternal> I even slipped up and told jcastro that I liked it...man, I even hung out with the Gnome-Do devs...uh oh, something isn't feeling right
[05:38] <nixternal> it is a task manager that totally kicks arse
[05:38] <nixternal> at least I had wolfger with me to keep me safe
[05:39] <nixternal> whom I must admit ran one hell of a Bug Jam at Penguicon...our Ubuntu talks attracted more people than any other I saw, except for the Masquerade, which now I wish we wouldn't have missed
[05:39] <Hobbsee> haha
[05:39] <Hobbsee> gnome do is great.
[05:39] <Hobbsee> oooh
[05:40] <Hobbsee> nixternal: not in teh repos?
[05:40] <nixternal> not yet...noticed that earlier when I installed Ubuntu on my desktop :)
[05:41] <nixternal> had to build out the tarball...even setup a Remember The Milk account to use it
[05:41] <Hobbsee> ahh
[05:42] <nixternal> is wolfger a member yet? I can't remember and I am to lazy to go to LP and look
[05:43] <Hobbsee> unsure
[05:50] <coreymon77> well, im off to bed now
[05:50] <coreymon77> goodnight all
[06:19] <Tm_M> good morning
[06:21] <Hobbsee> heya Tm_M
[06:21] <Tm_M> i'm in local health center
[06:22] <Tm_M> bit nervous
[06:24] <Tm_M> might see the baby in ultrasound scan <3
[06:24] <Hobbsee> ooo
[06:26] <Tm_M> gotta go
=== hunger_t is now known as hunger
[07:26] <Tm_M> yay, baby is well, alive, and living in
[07:40] <Tm_M> now I can go and arrange release party with big smile
[07:51] <Nightrose> Tm_M: \o/
[08:26] <apachelogger> <3 sleep
[08:26]  * apachelogger gives Tm_M a cookie
[08:26] <apachelogger> Nightrose: are ye going to do a radio show for the kubuntu hardy party?
[08:26] <apachelogger> or maybe Mez can?
[08:27] <Tm_M> yay
[08:30] <apachelogger> hm
[08:32] <Nightrose> apachelogger: seems unlikely I'd say
[08:32] <Nightrose> :(
[08:32] <apachelogger> Nightrose: why?
[08:32] <apachelogger> you haz all nu internetz, so?
[08:33] <Nightrose> other stuff(TM) that needs doing
[08:33] <Nightrose> haha yea I do
[08:33]  * Nightrose is happy that her SoC student finally showed up
[08:33] <Nightrose> shy guy it seems
[08:34] <apachelogger> you have a soc student? Oo
[08:34] <apachelogger> pfft, everyone got a slave, just not me
[08:34] <Nightrose> haha I might get you one :P
[08:34] <Nightrose> there might be another one who needs a mentor
[08:34] <Nightrose> so far we have got 2 who wnat to do their prjects besides being rejected
[08:34] <Nightrose> and a third one needs to ping me
[08:35] <Nightrose> so if you are game I can probably give you the third one ;-)
[08:36] <apachelogger> thinking about it, I'd rather spend my time torturing ubuntu contributors :P
[08:36] <Nightrose> hehe
[08:36] <Nightrose> then I need to find someone else...
[08:36]  * Nightrose starts looking
[08:37]  * apachelogger points at ....
[08:37] <apachelogger> emonkey
[08:39] <apachelogger> so
[08:39] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: instead of a 'thank you, good luck' mail .... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8g_gj4VRUA
[08:40]  * apachelogger uses his nifty cookie distribution system to get everyone a cookie and a cup of tea
[08:41] <apachelogger> Nightrose: does insanity actually have a present stock?
[08:41] <apachelogger> I can't remember
[08:41]  * apachelogger sips the tea
[08:42] <Nightrose> present stock? don't think so
[08:45] <apachelogger> hm
[08:45] <apachelogger> Nightrose: do I get a soc student, whom I can abuse to rewrite the rbotbar?
[08:45] <Nightrose> nope!
[08:45] <Nightrose> :P
[08:46] <apachelogger> pfft
[08:46] <Nightrose> and besides: I already got a mentor now
[08:46] <Nightrose> ;-)
[08:46] <apachelogger> pfft^2
[08:46] <Nightrose> hehe
[08:46]  * apachelogger goes crying
[08:46]  * Nightrose hugs apachelogger
[09:13] <Tm_M> hi kids
[09:13]  * Nightrose waves
[09:30] <apachelogger> ô mon dieu!
[09:31] <apachelogger> for bug #220655 we need a super special squad for uploading
[09:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220655 in kdewebdev-kde4 "Many KDE 4 packages reference KDE 3 packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220655
[09:31] <apachelogger> stdin: if you feel like it, chaning the status and importance for all packages whould be nice ;-)
=== _Czessi is now known as Czessi
[09:38] <apachelogger> stdin: btw, you shouldn't upload 2 identical debdiffs, that is gonna end in confusion
[09:38] <apachelogger> for me :P
[09:46] <Nightrose> apachelogger: automagic 2-row taskbar doesn't seem to work anymore for me - did your patch get removed for some reason?
[09:47] <apachelogger> nowadays everthing is possible
[09:47] <Nightrose> hehe
[09:47] <apachelogger> nope
[09:47] <apachelogger> workspace is still at ubuntu2
[09:47] <Nightrose> hmm k
[09:47] <apachelogger> and I revued the patch for ubuntu2, so I doubt it got removed ;-)
[09:47] <Nightrose> yea
[09:49] <Nightrose> definitely doesn't work here
[09:49] <Nightrose> maybe because I have the taskbar set to small
[09:49]  * Nightrose tests
[09:49] <Nightrose> yea that's it
[09:52] <apachelogger> jpatrick: btw, it appears more than likely that bug #149936 is also caused by luks :|
[09:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 149936 in amarok "Amarok fails to start when SQLite database is "corrupted"" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/149936
[10:24] <dany_21a> hello... quick  question: "apt-get -b source ksnapshot-kde4" fails with  "CMake Error: Qt qmake not found!" - but "which qmake" says "/usr/bin/qmake"...so why is it not found by the dpkg-build system?  (at Hardy)
[10:27] <Riddell> is it the wrong qmake?  qt3?
[10:28] <dany_21a> ahh - you are rigth... "qmake --version Qmake version: 1.07a (Qt 3.3.8b)"
[10:29] <dany_21a> than the build-deps (for ksnapshot-kde4) are not fully set... which qmake do i need?
[10:31] <hads> qt4 at a guess.
[10:32] <jussi01> qmake-qt4 is the executable iirc
[10:33] <hads> update-alternatives --config qmake
[10:33] <dany_21a> ah... youre right, hmnm... but how to i tell this "apt-get -b" to use this
[10:33] <dany_21a> oh... okay, will try
[10:34] <dany_21a> hads: Thank you - it works now! - just found a new error, but thats an other problem
[10:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: for intrepid we use ~/.kde for KDE 4?
[10:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes I think so
[10:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: I guess we need a metabug for migration issues
[10:39] <Riddell> can do
[10:40] <apachelogger> bug #209053 is a perfect example of how wrong things can go
[10:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 209053 in kdebase-workspace "GUI is rendered huge" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209053
[10:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug #220940
[10:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220940 in kubuntu-kde4-meta "KDE 4 Migration Issues" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220940
[10:49] <apachelogger> hm
[10:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: should I mark the original bug report as duplicate?
[11:06] <Serega> when will be the kubuntu release?
[11:06] <Riddell> when all the tests have been done
[11:07] <davmor2> Serega: So that's why we are testing the living daylights out of everything ;)
[11:08] <davmor2> Riddell: Restricted manager message is still 2/3's of the way up the screen :(
[11:08] <davmor2> on kde4
[11:08] <Serega> I think I missed importrant thing in codec installation: to update package lists before :)
[11:08] <Riddell> package lists?
[11:09] <Serega> Riddell: 'apt-get update' .I plan to upload this today's evening.
[11:10] <Serega> Riddell: I relized that on fresh installation no repo packages available in apt-cache
[11:10] <Serega> so installation of libxine1-ffmpeg will fail
[11:10] <Riddell> oh right
[11:11] <Serega> Riddell: please wait for this before release
[11:11] <Riddell> that's not always the case, only if you don't have an internet connection during install, but is an issue indeed
[11:11] <Riddell> Serega: sorry too late, it'll have to go in -updates
[11:11] <Serega> awww... :(
[11:11] <Serega> sorry
[11:12] <Serega> but not chance to install libxine1-ffmpeg w/o internet connection anyway. I hope users will update as a first.
[11:14] <ys76> Hello World! The guys behind Seminarix want to build another version of there LiveCD now Kubuntu-based. emile (Aka W.D. Zimmermann) is looking  for contacts....
[11:15] <Riddell> ys76: great
[11:16] <ys76> Riddell: I got just informed by a third party....
[12:06] <Riddell> kwwii: doing any CD testing today?
[12:07] <mhb> hi folks
[12:07] <jussi01> hrm, openoffice crashes upon attempting to print after I just did an upgrade :/
[12:07] <mhb> ooh, cd testing, too bad I'm stuck at the uni until really late :o(
[12:08] <Riddell> mhb: uni.  lots of bandwidth.  dvd testing!
[12:08] <mhb> ah yes, unfortunately I've got neither my laptop nor any blank DVDs :o
[12:08] <mhb> :o(
[12:09] <mhb> I'll fetch in the evening, if that may be helpful
[12:09] <Riddell> would indeed
[12:09] <mhb> okay
[12:09] <jussi01> Riddell: are we releasing tomorrow? or later?
[12:09] <Riddell> jussi01: yes, tomorrow
[12:09] <Riddell> dunno what time tomorrow
[12:10] <jussi01> great :)
[12:11] <jussi01> any ideas on what might make open office crash though standard test page prints fine :/
[12:11] <ScottK> jussi01: Which ooo application was it?
[12:12] <jussi01> writer
[12:12] <ScottK> Prints fine here.
[12:13] <jussi01> curious.... its a network printer if that makes any differece :/
[12:13] <ScottK> Mine too.  HP 3380 on a jet direct box.
[12:14] <jussi01> this is a 3055
[12:14] <jussi01> (hp)
[12:15] <mhb> Hobbsee: too bad to hear you're leaving
[12:20] <mhb> are we planning to appoint a new member soonish or are we going to wait for the next expiry, which is at 2008-07-29 ?
[12:23] <Riddell> mhb: council renewal is due in May, we'll probably discuss it at UDS and appint new people at the next irc meeting after
[12:23] <Artemis__Fowl> Riddell: from KGRUBEditor's changelog: "*ADDED: Automagic Kernel List support(found in Debian[-derived] distros)"
[12:23] <mhb> sure
[12:23] <Artemis__Fowl> Riddell: these comments don't get deleted from now on
[12:23] <Riddell> Artemis__Fowl: ooh, lovely
[12:23] <Artemis__Fowl> Riddell: (K/X)Ubuntu are fully compliant'
[12:24] <mhb> Artemis__Fowl: ah, so that's why you asked me about grubconfig
[12:24] <Artemis__Fowl> mhb: y
[12:24]  * Artemis__Fowl will release in a couple of hours
[12:25] <mhb> Artemis__Fowl: well, it has a terrible name (I personally would like to see a GTK version of it, too - so we can share love (the editing code) with our very active Ubuntu friends)
[12:25] <mhb> Artemis__Fowl: just kidding about the name
[12:25] <Artemis__Fowl> mhb: maybe (I say maybe) I will rewrite the core of the app in std C++ not QT
[12:26] <Artemis__Fowl> mhb: so that they are able to create their own GTK-based app
[12:27] <Artemis__Fowl> in the last version I have done many new feature additions
[12:27] <mhb> Artemis__Fowl: that would be rad
[12:27] <mhb> Artemis__Fowl: I can help if you want
[12:28] <Artemis__Fowl> mhb: help is always welcome :-) we'll see
[12:28] <mhb> Artemis__Fowl: I presume I will be doing some intensive hacking during the UDS
[12:29] <Artemis__Fowl> and here is a screenshot illustrating Automagic Kernels (in yellowish color): http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/thumbs/small/1245198_1lgk2/KGRUBEditor26.png
[12:30] <Artemis__Fowl> oups
[12:30] <Artemis__Fowl> thumbnail
[12:30] <Artemis__Fowl> http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/1245198_1lgk2/KGRUBEditor26.png
[12:30] <Hobbsee> mhb: you, or someone like you, can have a shot at it.  *shrug*
[12:30] <mhb> someone like me I hope, because I'm very busy with school lately
[12:31] <mhb> the less I have to do, the better
[12:31] <mhb> :o)
[12:31] <mhb> Artemis__Fowl: nice
[12:32] <Artemis__Fowl> mhb: if you are to write the GTK frontend then you have much to do. the core is only a small piece of the app...
[12:32] <mhb> Artemis__Fowl: I'm not a UI specialist, but I'd want the default behaviour of KGrubeditor to not show popups at startup
[12:33] <mhb> it's not nice for apps to start bothering users at first run, after all, like the popups say, if you're not a specialist you do not want to move the Automagic options
[12:33] <Artemis__Fowl> mhb: hmm. this is temporary.
[12:33] <mhb> Artemis__Fowl: right, I'm just suggesting
[12:33] <mhb> Artemis__Fowl: so you host it at SF at SVN, right?
[12:34] <mhb> Artemis__Fowl: I'll fetch the code
[12:34] <Artemis__Fowl> mhb: in this last release I have added many new features and the code needs cleanup
[12:35] <Artemis__Fowl> mhb: or you'll probably find undocumented functions
[12:35] <Artemis__Fowl> mhb: anyway
[12:35] <Artemis__Fowl> mhb: SF page: http://sourceforge.net/projects/kgrubeditor
[12:35] <mhb> thanks
[12:36] <Artemis__Fowl> mhb: I use SF only for SVN. official web page is on kde-apps.org
[12:36] <mhb> okies
[12:36] <Artemis__Fowl> mhb: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KGRUBEditor?content=75442
[12:37]  * Artemis__Fowl has to leave. bbz
[12:37] <mhb> right, me too
[12:37] <mhb> see you around
[12:42] <kwwii> Riddell: once I get some more blank DVDs from the store and the download finishes, yes
[12:43] <Riddell> kwwii: not got rewritables?
[12:43] <kwwii> Riddell: nope, never tried them actually
=== Serega_ is now known as Serega
[13:12] <smarter> http://kdemonkey.blogspot.com/2008/04/magic-trick.html << this has to be default for intrepid
[13:28] <JontheEchidna> Neat trick
=== _nemphis is now known as nemphis
[13:42] <Serega> kool :)
[13:42] <jussio1> very nice
[13:48] <jpatrick> nixternal: re: openweek kde4 - I have no net connection at home so I doubt I'll make it...
[14:49] <Riddell> davmor2: anything interesting happening at wolveslug tonight?
[14:49] <davmor2> Riddell: Barbie from the perl mongers is giving a talk and probably JJ too
[14:50] <davmor2> Normally very interesting.
[14:50] <davmor2> http://www.wolveslug.org.uk for more info
[14:53] <Riddell> now if only I had a paddle, I could canoe there
[14:58] <davmor2> Riddell: attach the canoe to you bike you'll get the same sensation :D
[15:31] <nixternal> hey, does anyone want to redo a Kubuntu talk for OpenWeek next week? I am holding a Kubuntu talk on Monday
[15:31] <nixternal> there are 3 slots open for OpenWeek, so someone step up and ADVOCATE! ADVOCATE! ADVOCATE!
[15:31]  * jpatrick has school :(
[15:31] <nixternal> I am already doing Kubuntu, KDE 4, and Documentation
[15:32] <nixternal> jpatrick: ya, that is groovy and understandable :)
[15:33] <jpatrick> well, the second part yes, not at all sure about the first
[15:33] <nixternal> anyone want to do a PyQt or a PyKDE talk? something? Kubuntu rocks, OpenWeek is a perfect time to let everyone know that! :)
[15:34] <nixternal> if nobody steps up, I am switching to openSUSE, Zonker told me and jcastro there are jobs coming for it as well :p
[15:34] <nixternal> muhehehehehe
[15:35] <Nightrose> ohnoes we are loosing the visternal to suse!!oneeleven1111
[15:35] <Nightrose> :P
[15:36] <nixternal> feel the love!
[15:39] <Tm_T> nixternal: when?
[15:39] <apachelogger> hm
[15:39] <apachelogger> Nightrose: but then he has to switch away from blista
[15:39] <nixternal> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuOpenWeek
[15:39] <apachelogger> susa > blista
[15:40] <nixternal> check out the TBD boxes, there are 3 left I think
[15:40] <Nightrose> apachelogger: good point
[15:40] <Tm_T> nixternal: I'm on train, so veery limited bandwidth
[15:40] <nixternal> that's fine, we (actually jcastro has about 2 hours to get them filled)
[15:41] <apachelogger> nixternal: I can do a talk about why apachelogger is the perfect man for world domination
[15:41] <nixternal> not good for an IRC talk, better for a huge con talk where everyone can throw stuff at you then :p
[15:42] <Tm_T> nixternal: ok, that's too soon for me, sowwy
[15:42]  * apachelogger doesn't want to talk about that topic really
[15:43] <nixternal> Open Slots:  Thu 1 May @ 16:00 UTC   ||    Sat 3 May @ 20:00 UTC    ||    Sat 3 May @ 21:00 UTC
[15:43] <nixternal> apachelogger: what do you want to talk about?
[15:44] <apachelogger> me, myself and I
[15:44] <apachelogger> I have no idea what I could talk about
[15:44] <apachelogger> Nightrose: suggestions?
[15:44] <nixternal> Kubuntu! Kubuntu! Kubuntu!
[15:45] <jpatrick> caKe
[15:45] <Tm_T> shame I can't help
[15:45] <Nightrose> apachelogger: upstream relations?
[15:46] <apachelogger> Nightrose: we have upstream relations? Oo
[15:46] <Nightrose> ;-)
[15:46] <apachelogger> how kubuntu does kick-ass release parties on IRC
[15:46] <apachelogger> which leads back to the me, myself and I topic
[15:46] <jpatrick> -> #ubuntu-release-party
[15:46] <apachelogger> jpatrick: nono
[15:47] <apachelogger> we have tha ultimate NightrosePardäää(tm)
[15:47] <jpatrick> \o/
[15:47] <Nightrose> hehe
[15:48] <apachelogger> np: GNELLO'S VOCAL MIX) - MOBY
[15:48] <apachelogger> that tag looks broken really
[15:49] <Tm_T> indeed
[15:49] <talavis> any hints what to do if the installer for 8.04 (alternate) keeps on crashing immidiately after selecting install?
[15:49] <apachelogger> nixternal: we could probably get someone from kubuntu-de.org to do a talk about something community/markting related
[15:50] <apachelogger> talavis: did you ensure that the ISO and the CD are in proper shape?
[15:50] <apachelogger> i.e. not broken
[15:51] <talavis> i have checked md5 for both iso and burned cd
[15:51] <jjesse> morning :)
[15:51] <Tm_T> jjesse: noooooooooooo
[15:51]  * Tm_T hides
[15:51] <jjesse> :)
[15:51] <Tm_T> ;)
[15:51] <jjesse> some one is in a good modd
[15:51] <Tm_T> I am
[15:53] <Tm_T> :))
[15:54] <Tm_T> ...and party goes on <3
[15:54] <apachelogger> oh yeah
[17:05] <apachelogger> I think, I have a party wallpaper
[17:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: oh?
[17:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/img063.jpg
[17:08] <emonkey> Should it really be named Kubuntu LTS? (https://shop.canonical.com/index.php?cPath=17)
[17:09] <Riddell> goodness
[17:09] <Riddell> emonkey: nope
[17:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: just perfect, isn't it?
[17:10]  * apachelogger needs to buy the beer
[17:18] <emonkey> apachelogger, nice now go ahead and make the picture available for all major resolutions, and then put it on kde-look ... ;-)
[17:19] <apachelogger> emonkey: not just yet :D
=== kitterma is now known as ScottK2
[18:34] <stdin> apachelogger: i can change status (though for that bug it takes like 5 mins), but I can't change importance. and and the 2nd identical diff was a mistake, but LP doesn't let you remove one attachments ;)
[18:34] <ScottK2> stdin: I think it does now.
[18:35] <ScottK2> If you click on edit attachment one of the options is remove it.
[18:35] <stdin> really?
[18:35]  * ScottK2 thinks so.
[18:35] <stdin> ooh, didn't notice :)
[18:36] <stdin> yep, there's a big "Delete Attachment" button there :p
[18:36] <apachelogger> lol
[18:37] <apachelogger> stdin: well, forget about the status, I wasn't too serious on that comment ;-)
[18:38] <stdin> apachelogger: it took long enough to add all the "also effects", assign to me and upload the diffs. I should probably learn to use that new email feature some say
[18:55] <allee> Known or not: LifeCD: amarok does not recognize my  MP3 player.  Not in action selector dialog that pops up and not in amarok mediaplayer tab :(
[18:55] <allee> MP3 player interface is USB mass storage device
[18:55] <apachelogger> though question
[18:56] <apachelogger> I think I will go with not known
[18:56]  * apachelogger is wondering what to win in 'known or not' anyway
[18:57] <allee> apachelogger: save me time searching launchpad ;)  I've not followed Cd testing at all
[18:57] <apachelogger> that game doesn't sound funny at all
[18:57] <apachelogger> allee: does the media device detected popup appear?
[18:58] <allee> apachelogger: yes, and it lists digikam twice (in at least german setup)
[18:58] <jjesse> anyone else getting time outs in launchpad?
[18:59] <apachelogger> allee: so what is the problem really?
[19:00] <allee> apachelogger: popup does not offer to start amarok, and when amarok is started by hand, the media-player gives no way to acces the MP3 player (optinal amarok test inhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/KubuntuDesktop)
[19:00] <allee> of Live CD session testing
[19:00] <apachelogger> ohaha
[19:00] <apachelogger> the KDE popup shouldn't offer amarok really
[19:01] <apachelogger> since the player is only a usb mass storage
[19:01] <allee> apachelogger: so what?  It's an MP3 player :(
[19:01] <allee> s/:(/:D/
[19:01] <apachelogger> allee: does it support a media transfer protocol?
[19:02] <allee> apachelogger: kern log shows only USB mass storage
[19:02] <apachelogger> so how should KDE know it is anything other than a usb mass storage? -.-
[19:03] <allee> apachelogger: well, in digikam we just let the user decide (aka offer a digikam download icon in device pop up) for all USB mass storage
[19:04] <stdin> jjesse: on bug pages, yeah
[19:04] <apachelogger> allee: digikam != KDE
[19:04] <apachelogger> in amarok we do exactly the same
[19:04] <apachelogger> the reason is that when you start digikam you probably are going to plug in a camera, if you start amarok you are probably going to plug in a media device
[19:05] <apachelogger> if you start KDE you are probably going to plug in anything
[19:06] <allee> apachelogger: I'm confused.  amarok Media-Player tab  show 'Kein Geraet verfuegbar' (no device found).  So amarok 'ignores' the USB storage MP3 player
[19:06] <apachelogger> ok
[19:06] <apachelogger> das ist ein problem!
[19:06] <apachelogger> Nightrose: we forgot about the multi-lingual stuff again
[19:07] <apachelogger> allee: was gibt `dcop kded mediamanager fullList` aus?
[19:08] <allee> kommt sofort
[19:11] <alleeHardy> apachelogger: http://paste.debian.net/1416/
[19:14] <apachelogger> alleeHardy: listet amarok das device nachdem es mit KDE gemounted wurde?
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[19:30] <alleeHardy> apachelogger: uhm MP3 player FS is f*cked up.  I've tried with a 'real USB disk stick' with lots of mp3 on it.  Still: 'no device found' in amarok. ditto after restarting amarok.
[19:30] <apachelogger> Oo
[19:30] <apachelogger> alleeHardy: when the device is mounted?
[19:32] <alleeHardy> apachelogger: yes
[19:32] <apachelogger> this is certainly not good
[19:32] <apachelogger> alleeHardy: please try whether this still appears after an installation
[19:34] <mhb> evening lads
[19:34] <alleeHardy> apachelogger: ah, amarok installs no ServiceType for unmounted media.  So no entry in device popup dialog. http://paste.debian.net/1419/
[19:35] <alleeHardy> mhb: hi mister kubuntu-testing ;)
[19:40] <alleeHardy> mhmm, khelpcenter (click on About Kubuntu) has on the left hand side 2 entries for seach document (only kcm module entries are lised once)
[19:40] <alleeHardy> ^^ in german liveCD
[19:53]  * Artemis_Fowl is too tired to upload KGRUBEditor v0.7 and blog about it...Too many changes to talk about...
[19:55] <mhb> several people testing Kubuntu complaining about usplash not showing
[19:55] <mhb> and i must admit my install also won't show usplash at all, switches to console immediately
[19:55] <mhb> what about you folks?
[19:55] <mhb> I guess it's less Kubuntu and more Ubuntu related
[19:56] <ScottK2> Works for me.
[19:56] <Arby_> am I right in thinking that kubuntu-kde4 comes without an IRC client installed?
[19:56] <Arby_> just doing some testing and realised this
[19:57] <nosrednaekim> it has kopete :)
[19:57] <nosrednaekim> (I think)
[19:57] <allee> mhb: slash is fine with livecd.  /me install currently to partiotion
[19:57] <Arby_> it does have kopete
[19:57] <Arby_> I didn't know kopete did IRC
[19:57] <Arby_> I've never used it
[19:58] <nosrednaekim> yeah.. it does
[19:58] <jjesse> the last i heard kopete didn't have irc was that fixed?
[19:58] <nosrednaekim> of course, Konversation is better
[19:58] <nosrednaekim> jjesse: oh... I didn't know that.... let me check
[19:58] <jjesse> nosrednaekim: i ran into that problem documenting kde4 for the oficiial ubuntu book
[19:59] <jjesse> i was told it was a bug w/ kopete and kde 4 port of it
[19:59] <nosrednaekim> woah... you're right, its not there in the kde4 port
[19:59] <jjesse> in the book, i tell the end user to install konverstation to access irc for help and support
[20:00] <Arby_> any idea why konversation wasn't included if there isn't a kde4 alternative?
[20:00] <jjesse> i hope that's correct
[20:00] <jjesse> because konverstation doesn't have a kde 4 port?
[20:00] <nosrednaekim> jjesse: seems to be correct
[20:03] <stdin> nosrednaekim: kopete(KDE4) does not do IRC
[20:17] <allee> mhb: booting and rebooting a freshly installed hardy and usplash was always there.  Kompared to hardy before, the usplash seem to use now native resulution.  not 800x600 (or whatever) scaled to full screen
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[20:26] <ryanakca> Riddell: ping, can you check the testsite?
[20:27]  * nosrednaekim asks ryanakca for the secret link
[20:27] <mhb> allee: splendid
[20:27] <allee> mhb: :) but on the other hand knetworkmanger seem to be broken :(
[20:29] <allee> icon in systray was spinning all the time. ifconfig and route show working setup.  wget works, but konquror didn't because it rely on knm's opinion.
[20:33] <allee> mhm, after rebooting once more knetworkmanager seem to work again.  Puh...
[20:45] <allee> apachelogger: eh, amarok again: moving with mouse of an index.html file, I get always an error dialog complainng about invalid menu entry: http://paste.debian.net/1424/
[20:45] <allee> ^^ index.html in dol3phin
[20:45] <apachelogger> allee: d3lphin issue, not amarok related
[20:51] <jeroen-> call me crazy :-) , but how do I start vmware-player in Hardy (to test the iso; s)?
[20:52] <nosrednaekim> type in vm and hit tab in the terminal
[20:54] <jeroen-> vmmouse_detect  vmstat
[20:54] <jeroen-> doesnt sound like vmware
[20:55] <nosrednaekim> odd
[20:57] <allee> apachelogger: Ah, right, despite it's name the desktop file is from pkg dol3pin. The desktop file has no Exec= line.  Therefore the error :(
[20:58] <apachelogger> I don't know why this desktop file is used in d3lphin anyway
[20:58] <apachelogger> it's only useful for webbrowsers
[20:59] <ryanakca> Riddell: also, did you want the Release Notes ported to kubuntu.org, or did you want them to be left on the wiki?
[21:23] <emu> nixternal: Am I right, that there will be no significant difference between the Release Notes of the RC and the main Release?
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[21:24] <ScottK2> I really hope not.
[21:33] <apachelogger> ScottK2: I think emu meant the content rather than the topics :)
[21:34]  * apachelogger is wondering whether we need a lot of cookies for the NightrosePartä(tm)
[21:34] <apachelogger> why is it called NightrosePartä(tm) anyway?
[21:34] <nixternal> emu: actually yes there will be a significant difference because we won't do our notes on the wiki and will do a more informative version of the applications for the website instead
[21:36] <Nightrose> apachelogger: because you called it that way
[21:36] <Nightrose> ;-)
[21:36] <apachelogger> Oo
[21:36] <apachelogger> strange drugs apparently
[21:37] <apachelogger> Nightrose: we should consider a different name that one is too long
[21:37] <Nightrose> ;-)
[21:37] <emu> nixternal: could you mail the new release notes on kubuntu-devel so I can translate them?
[21:37] <apachelogger> Nightrose: what's german for hardy?
[21:38] <emu> apachelogger: robust
[21:38] <nosrednaekim> bventremuger!
[21:38] <Nightrose> uhmmmm good question actually
[21:38] <Nightrose> ah yea
[21:38] <Nightrose> robust
[21:38] <nixternal> emu: they stay hidden until release and JR approves them...after I work them up, he usually tweaks them a bit
[21:38] <emu> apachelogger: thats like we translated it
[21:38] <apachelogger> emu: klingt schwul, gefällt mir :P
[21:39] <apachelogger> Nightrose: RobustParty
[21:39] <Nightrose> oO
[21:39] <apachelogger> stress the multilanguage promise of -devel
[21:40] <emu> nixternal: mhhmm that makes things complicated. Are there an other way to get the stuff?
[21:40] <apachelogger> Nightrose: HardyPartä sounds too boring IMO
[21:40] <Nightrose> jep
[21:40] <emu> apachelogger: Just PartyHard!
[21:40] <apachelogger> Oo
[21:41] <apachelogger> emu: you aren't a lot into partyin, are you?
[21:41] <emu> apachelogger: no not atm
[21:41] <apachelogger> partyhard is totally 90's
[21:41] <apachelogger> that's like good looking party promotional artwork
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[21:43] <apachelogger> Nightrose: HardyFeierei?
[21:43] <Nightrose> ohnoes
[21:43] <Nightrose> that sounds like....
[21:43] <apachelogger> yes it does :P
[21:43] <Nightrose> :P
[21:43] <apachelogger> we need a different approach
[21:44] <apachelogger> a german adjective with an english noun
[21:44] <apachelogger> both starting with H
[21:45] <Artemis_Fowl> http://artfowl.blogspot.com/2008/04/kgrubeditor-version-07.html
[21:45] <Artemis_Fowl> all that's left is uploading...
[21:46] <apachelogger> woohooo
[21:46] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: shiny release
[21:46] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: 2 months...
[21:47] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: Automagic is the highlight feature for you ;-)
[21:47] <apachelogger> well, it just makes it more reasonable for the average user I guess ;-)
[21:47] <Artemis_Fowl> yep
[21:48] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: now you just need to wrap a kcm around it and we have a kick-ass grub editor tool for systemsettings-kde4
[21:48] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: that's hell easy with all the modifications I did in this last release
[21:48] <apachelogger> cool
[21:48] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: I could do it in 5 mins
[21:49] <Artemis_Fowl> but
[21:49]  * Artemis_Fowl is a lazy dog
[21:49]  * apachelogger declares: "I still love kgrubeditor"
[21:49]  * apachelogger gives Artemis_Fowl a cookie
[21:49] <apachelogger> you got 6 months
[21:49] <Artemis_Fowl> iKnow ;-)
[21:50] <apachelogger> Nightrose: any suggestions for an adj with H?
[21:50] <Nightrose> nope
[21:50] <Nightrose> too busy with other stuff (TM)
[21:50] <Nightrose> :(
[21:50] <apachelogger> uh, I have a party name
[21:50] <apachelogger> WHUF
[21:51] <apachelogger> wuschig, hell und freundlich
[21:51] <apachelogger> emu: opinion?
[21:52] <emu> apachelogger: Sounds like a dogs party
[21:52] <apachelogger> dogs are cool -.-
[21:53] <apachelogger> emonkey: H**** Hummel Party
[21:53] <apachelogger> just what H***** to use
[21:54] <emonkey> Halligalli
[21:55] <Artemis_Fowl> lol
[21:55] <apachelogger> emonkey: uh, I think I like
[21:55] <apachelogger> Halligalli Hummel Party
[21:56] <emonkey> ll
[21:56] <apachelogger> nixternal: how does that sound in us-en?
[21:58]  * Artemis_Fowl uploading the source package
[22:01] <apachelogger> emonkey: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/img065.jpg
[22:01] <emonkey> nice lol
[22:03] <apachelogger> emonkey: do you think we should fill up the cookie stock?
[22:04] <emonkey> yea would be gret
[22:04] <emonkey> greaat
[22:04] <apachelogger> that looks flemish to me
[22:15] <Artemis_Fowl> ok. I'm finished. only SF is left but I've no mood for FTP uploasd
[22:15] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: will you package this version?
[22:17] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: as soon as I have, time which is in ... july I think
[22:17] <apachelogger> after the hardy release I will focus on my finals 100%
[22:18] <Artemis_Fowl> okiez
[22:18]  * Artemis_Fowl heads for bed...
[22:46] <r0uzic> Hi all
[22:46] <CheGuevara> hmmm
[22:46] <CheGuevara> anyone using kde trunk
[22:47] <apachelogger> CheGuevara: yes
[22:47] <apachelogger> hey r0uzic
[22:47] <CheGuevara> apachelogger, is it messed up for u or no?
[22:47] <apachelogger> yes, plasma is
[22:47] <apachelogger> but that is normal plasma b0rkage these days :P
[22:48] <CheGuevara> all icons are small and taskbar is all weird?
[22:49] <r0uzic> I wanted to report a failure unimportant Hardy Heron on a Macbook
[22:50] <apachelogger> CheGuevara: yes
[22:50] <TheInfinity> r0uzic: theres not only one minor bug on macbook (pro)
[22:51] <CheGuevara> meh
[22:51] <CheGuevara> thx apachelogger
[22:51] <apachelogger> CheGuevara: well, it's due to latest changes from the plasma sprint
[22:52] <r0uzic> TheInfinity: the bug is that the output of sound appears a red light
[22:53] <CheGuevara> yeah thats what i thought as well
[22:54] <TheInfinity> you mean out of the headphone cnnector?
[22:54] <r0uzic> TheInfinity: yes
[22:54] <TheInfinity> thats normal
[22:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: party preperation is finished, we just need some regular promotion via blogs and twitters tomorrow ... oh, and someone to do a radio show
[22:55] <TheInfinity> macbooks have optical out IN headphone connection
[22:55]  * apachelogger thinks emonkey would be perfect as radio moderator :P
[22:55] <r0uzic> TheInfinity: I never happened, nor dapper, edgy, feisty, gutsy
[22:55] <TheInfinity> thats your optical 7.1 sound out you can see shining red ;)
[22:55] <TheInfinity> i think optical out support is quite new
[22:56] <emonkey> apachelogger, ahm wat? I? really? which radio? And why is a banane yellow?
[22:56] <CheGuevara> shouldn't 4.1 alpha 1 be tagged by now
[22:57] <r0uzic> TheInfinity: and to turn off the red light?
[22:57] <TheInfinity> should have soemthing to do with options you load with sound drivers
[22:57] <TheInfinity> dont know exacly
[22:57] <r0uzic> oks, very thanks TheInfinity :)
[22:58] <apachelogger> emonkey: radio amarok
[22:58] <apachelogger> hm
[22:58] <apachelogger> banana yellow
[22:58] <apachelogger> emonkey: my guess is because of the colourant in the ehh
[22:58] <apachelogger> skin
[22:59] <apachelogger> whatever the right word is
[22:59] <emonkey> apachelogger, I've never done this bevore and I'm a bit afraid of doing it whitout any time to test it.
[22:59] <apachelogger> my guess it is green before, because of the chlorophyl stuff
[22:59] <apachelogger> that gets removed when the fruit is aging
[22:59] <apachelogger> which leafs the yellow colourant behind
[23:00] <apachelogger> emonkey: you have until tomorrow evening :P
[23:00] <emonkey> apachelogger, I've to learn linear algebra until friday, i've got an very important exam then
[23:01] <apachelogger> meh
[23:01] <apachelogger> I don't wanna do the radio show again
[23:01]  * apachelogger needs to get the project rolling so he has a pool of good djs he can abuse for kubuntu release parties ;-)
[23:01] <emonkey> maybe I've got the exam tomorrow, would be bad luck, but in this case I can do it
[23:03] <r0uzic> TheInfinity: it's off, in alsamixer command :D
[23:03] <TheInfinity> :)