2008/04/15/#kubuntu-devel.txt

[00:14] <nixternal> jcastro: mine and Gabriels ride is MIA...he is impossible to get in touch with, and I am hoping to hear something by tomorrow
[00:14] <nixternal> I know he is going because I was there when he purchased his hotel room
[00:15] <Riddell> eagles0513875: url to debdiffs?
[01:38] <jjesse> evening
[02:32] <jjesse> anyone else having problems with cut and paste with the latest version of firefox 3
[03:01] <nixternal> jjesse: you here?
[03:02] <nixternal> jjesse: line 9 should look like ->     ]>
[03:02] <nixternal> you have just ]
[03:32] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: no, you lost the right to talk to me in private long ago.
[03:32] <Hobbsee> it's part and parcel of what happens when you harass someone.
[03:32] <nixternal> heh
[03:32] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee! \o/
[03:33] <Jucato> :)
[03:33] <Jucato> Hobbsee!!! nixternal!!!!!!!!! *choke* !!!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:34] <nixternal> yo yo yo! :)#*@)!*)
[03:34] <Jucato> lol
[03:34] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal and Jucato!
[03:35] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: you can't be unbanned there unless you show actual intelligence, and think about what you're told, in here.  When i see proof of that, then i'll unban you.
[03:35]  * nixternal is enjoying Goose Island Nut Brown Ale
[03:36] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: i still haven't forgotten your idea of "helpfulness", recommending a propriatory, windows-only debugger to #ubuntu-devel, because you thought ubuntu might not have good enough debuggers.  The fact of why this wrong continued to escape you in july last year, and i'm not seeing any proof that you're more clueful now.
[03:37] <Hobbsee> (if you hadn't noticed, ubuntu doesn't *run* .exes)
[03:37] <nixternal> heh, Windows developers can't even spell debugger
[03:37] <Jucato> nixternal: oh yes they can!
[03:37] <Jucato> dewindowser!
[03:37] <nixternal> debooger
[03:38] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: it still required being told *4* times that you would need to speak to me, in -ops, before you actually listened to what they were telling you.
[03:38] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: While you still do things like that, no, you may not enter -motu, and you're on thin ice here too.
[03:39] <nixternal> :o
[03:39] <Jucato> ph34r the long pointy stick!
[03:39] <nixternal> !hobbsee
[03:39] <ubotu> I phear the stick so shhhhh
[03:40]  * Jucato hugs Hobbsee
[03:40]  * Hobbsee hugs Jucato back
[03:40]  * nixternal phears a hug too
[03:41]  * Hobbsee hugs nixternal
[03:41]  * nixternal faints
[03:42]  * Hobbsee resuscitates nixternal
[03:42] <nixternal> I had a cyber-stalker on IRC a couple of years ago, and I would also do /me faints
[03:42] <nixternal> and stop talking :)
[03:42] <Jucato> heh
[03:43] <nixternal> anyone remember cutiecoder?
[03:43] <Jucato> you have a stalker? that means you're truly famous now
[03:43] <Jucato> lol!
[03:43] <Jucato> yeah, from k-offtopic
[03:43] <nixternal> https://edge.launchpad.net/~cutiecoder
[03:43] <nixternal> yup
[03:44] <nixternal> dude, she came to Chicago and was looking for me...I told her I was in Texas with a buddy of mine
[03:44] <Jucato> of course you were just standing a block away from her at that time :)
[03:44] <nixternal> probably closer...scary
[03:44] <Jucato> indeed
[03:45] <Jucato> but she's pretty iirc :)
[03:45] <nixternal> imbrandon laughed at me so hard...I called him and was like "dude, she came to Chicago and wants to meet up"
[03:45] <nixternal> of course imbrandon was egging me on to go for it
[03:45] <Jucato> well you're to blame anyway :)
[03:45] <nixternal> umm, she sent me plenty of photos...if they were her, then yes
[03:46] <Jucato> "Nixternal kinda introduced me to stick around and give a hand to the kubuntu community."
[03:46] <nixternal> she sent me one pic of her and another girl that I thought was a guy, and was like "damn, the guy makes one ugly chick"
[03:46] <nixternal> she was like all muscles
[03:46] <nixternal> like she would scare the hell out of me
[03:47] <Jucato> um.. she does rifles... that should scare you enough :)
[03:47] <Jucato> but then again... ""I prefer a man who can cook, aim straight, shoot while moving and running kubuntu." <--- pretty much describes nixternal :)
[03:47] <nixternal> so she says...I think she was just the worlds fastest Googler
[03:47] <nixternal> if not, she was whicked smart
[03:47]  * nixternal switches to Vista
[03:47] <nixternal> !nixternal
[03:47] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[03:47] <Jucato> or obssesed with you...
[03:48] <Jucato> or all of the above :)
[03:48] <pradeepto> hi
[03:48] <nixternal> dunno, haven't talked to her in a couple of years
[03:48] <nixternal> wasabi pradeepto
[03:48] <Jucato> whoa. hi pradeepto
[03:48] <nixternal> hehe
[03:48] <pradeepto> I need some debian packaging help, can somebody help me, please.
[03:48] <nixternal> what's up?
[03:48] <pradeepto> basically, I am trying to package kdepim from svn/other packaged source for gutsy.
[03:49] <pradeepto> and the packaged sources ( debianised source pkg of course ), doesn't have the configure scripts et al.
[03:50] <nixternal> pradeepto: damn, and I think kdepim-kde4 was just removed from the repos...you could have used that to base off of
[03:50] <pradeepto> Now, how do I / what do I do - to generate configure and other files when I am running pdebuild to create the package.
[03:50] <nixternal> pradeepto: if you use cdbs and the kde.mk scripts from any of the Kubuntu KDE 4 packages, you should be golden
[03:50] <pradeepto> nixternal: i am trying to package 3.5.9/enterprise acutally.
[03:50] <nixternal> oh
[03:51] <pradeepto> nixternal: yes, cdbs ( of which I have very less idea ) because it seems the 3.5.x packages use that.
[03:51] <nixternal> apt-get source kontact  will give you something to look into
[03:51] <pradeepto> for debian and ubuntu as well.
[03:51] <pradeepto> nixternal: did that, the ubuntu sources have the configure scripts anyway
[03:51] <nixternal> there is typically a debian/cdbs/ directory int he packages that do everything
[03:52] <pradeepto> problem is the packaged sources that I am using don't have it, neither would the an svn export would have that.
[03:52] <nixternal> ahh, they are created during tagging
[03:52] <nixternal> pradeepto: you could always add the commands to the debian/rules file that would do what you need
[03:53] <nixternal> if you have cdbs installed, there is some good info in /usr/share/doc/cdbs/ that tells you where you can place your stuff to do the building
[03:53] <nixternal> then in the rules file you would do something like 'build/foo::'
[03:54] <pradeepto> let me check
[04:00] <nixternal> news is on...brb
[04:01]  * Jucato turns off nixternal's TV
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[04:21] <nixternal> we had a Cougar loose in Chicago...the police cornered it and it went to attack, so they killed it :(
[04:22] <nixternal> wth does a Cougar come from in Chicago?
[04:22] <pradeepto> nixternal: you are based out of Chicago?
[04:22] <nixternal> ya
[04:29] <Jucato> waaah?
[04:29] <Jucato> they didn't have tranquilizers? :(
[04:30] <pradeepto> so is there a meta package for auto**** that can be included in control file in the build-depends section?
[04:31] <pradeepto> right now packaging fails because it misses auto* during a pdebuild process, I guess I have to include auto*** in the control file? non?
[04:34] <nixternal> pradeepto: autoconf?
[04:35] <pradeepto> hmm, but what about automake m4 etc?
[04:36] <nixternal> autoconf takes care of all of that iirc
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[07:23] <eagles0513875> morning all
[08:00] <stdin> eagles0513875: see my comment on bug 216529
[08:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 216529 in kdebase-runtime "kdebase-bin depends kdebase-bin-kde3 OR kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/216529
[08:01] <eagles0513875> stdin: ya i did i got it fixed kate wont do that any more ill go ahead and fix and reupload the deb diff
[08:04] <eagles0513875> which source pkg is it in
[08:04] <eagles0513875> stdin: which source pkg is it in
[08:04] <stdin> what do you mean
[08:04] <stdin> ?
[08:04] <eagles0513875> the last 2 on the vry bottom r the last ones i uploaded and im not seeing any change log backup
[08:05] <eagles0513875> i fixed kate though to where it wont do any backups like that
[08:06] <stdin> they're fine, but it's for reference and for others to see why there are so many debdiffs uploaded
[08:07] <eagles0513875> stdin: was doing this later last night after spending the whole day borking and unborking stuff now that i have it sorted out in kate it wont happen again
[08:14] <eagles0513875> stdin: question for ya i know netbeans is in the repo would it be possible to get the version of it that has c++ java and all the various dev platforms included in the repos
[08:16] <stdin> why? can't you just install whatever dev platform you want to use with it?
[08:17] <eagles0513875> didnt know u can i use java but i like to have the version of netbeans with all the dev platforms
[08:18] <stdin> it's just an IDE, it passed the compiling/linking et all on to whatever tools are used for that language
[08:19] <eagles0513875> gotcha
[08:19] <eagles0513875> so basically i can download the web app stuff as an addon
[08:21] <stdin> I think you just install whatever environment you want and tell netbeans where the tools are. so for C++ you'd tell it what compiler you want to use and where it is
[08:23] <eagles0513875> thats the thing they have one version of netbeans which would make that a whole lot easier by setting up all environments for u
[08:24] <stdin> but there's no way to tell where all these tools will be located on every system, what if I wanted to use another compiler than gcc or my own compiled version?
[08:24] <eagles0513875> i get what ur saying now
[08:25] <eagles0513875> basically u dont even have to compile this version seems like its a simple shell script that runs the installer
[08:30] <eagles0513875> stdin: anything u need tested
[08:30] <stdin> not right now, I'm just playing with QtDBus
[08:31] <eagles0513875> stdin: should i find some things that need pkging
[08:32] <stdin> you can if you want, but there won't be any new packages in Hardy
[08:32] <eagles0513875> how does that work pkg and upload debdiff
[08:33] <stdin> care to rephrase that sentence so it makes sense?
[08:35] <eagles0513875> how does it work when u pkg something
[08:35] <eagles0513875> *you
[08:35] <eagles0513875> do you pkg the source then upload the debdiff or is that only on bug fixes
[08:35] <stdin> you package it and upload it to revu
[08:35] <stdin> !revu
[08:35] <ubotu> REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[08:36] <stdin> you can't upload a debdiff when it's the initial package
[08:37] <eagles0513875> stdin: i have a problem then
[08:37] <stdin> generally the process is this: create a bug report "[needs packaging] <name of package>", assign it to yourself, package it, upload to revu, mark as "In Progress" and put a link to the revu package on the bug report. then you wait for it to be reviewed
[08:38] <eagles0513875> stdin: been banned from motu channel so i cant even get in there to get approved
[08:38] <stdin> the sync happens once a day iirc, so you don't need to ask
[08:39] <eagles0513875> stdin: ok how do i know if its been synced
[08:39] <stdin> you'll be able to login
[08:39] <eagles0513875> ok
[08:42] <eagles0513875> stdin: how do i login
[08:43] <stdin> have you followed all the steps in "Register as a REVU uploader"
[08:44] <eagles0513875> thats the pg im looking for i did all of that last night
[08:45] <stdin> you need to join https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-universe-contributors/ and make sure to read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide
[08:45] <stdin> then wait for the sync
[08:46] <eagles0513875> i dont have any pkgs to upload yet
[08:46] <eagles0513875> but i can have in a heart beat
[08:47] <stdin> as I said earlier though, there won't be any new packages going into Hardy
[08:47] <Serega> howdy!
[08:48] <eagles0513875> stdin: ok
[08:48] <eagles0513875> Serega: wats up partner
[08:49] <Serega> eagles0513875: all is ok, just greetings :)
[08:49] <eagles0513875> lol
[08:50] <eagles0513875> stdin: would this be a good bug for someone whose still new to bug fixing
[08:50] <eagles0513875> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/217580
[08:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 217580 in firefox-3.0 "Slow performance with Gmail" [Undecided,New]
[08:51] <stdin> no
[08:51] <stdin> unless, that is, you're familiar with the firefox code and have an idea as to what causes it?
[08:52] <eagles0513875> ok
[08:52]  * eagles0513875 starts sifting through other bugs
[08:52] <Jucato> wow good luck! :)
[08:53] <Jucato> you'll have to dig into Gecko for that :P
[08:53]  * Serega waves to Jucato
[08:53] <stdin> eagles0513875: how come you wrote "i can confirm this." but didn't?
[08:53] <Jucato> hi Serega! kubuntu meeting tomorrow :)
[08:53] <Jucato> hope I can attend :)
[08:53] <Jucato> oh I can! yay!
[08:53] <Serega> =)
[08:54] <Serega> Does anybody need cool kubuntu t-shirts? :)
[08:54]  * Serega has recently bought supa-dupa printer
[08:55] <eagles0513875> stdin: fixed
[08:55] <stdin> shouldn't the question be " Does anybody NOT need cool kubuntu t-shirts?", because, let's face it, who doesn't?!
[08:56] <eagles0513875> im really working on pushing kubuntu as alternative to windows here in malta
[08:56] <stdin> oh, Jucato, are you still playing with Qt/KDE?
[08:56] <eagles0513875> and if i knew maltese i would be translating apps
[08:56] <Jucato> stdin: just with myself
[08:57] <Jucato> >:)
[08:57] <eagles0513875> lol
[08:57] <stdin> Jucato: have you played with QtDBus yet?
[08:57] <Jucato> stdin: so so. I'm currently distracted *again*... but I'll take it up once more this or next week
[08:57] <Jucato> er.. I stay away from D-Bus...
[08:57] <Jucato> for now... while I can still avoid it
[08:57] <stdin> it's actually surprising simple :)
[08:58] <stdin> when you *don't* read the Qt help for it
[08:58] <Jucato> QtDBus? I believe so. Qt makes everything nice and beautiful
[08:58] <Jucato> but D-Bus itself? you must be dreaming :P
[08:58] <Jucato> right.. I'm off for a game of tennis.. bbl
[08:59] <stdin> I meant just exporting some signals/slots to DBus ;)
[08:59] <Jucato> heh
[08:59] <stdin> took 2/3 extra lines, easy :)
[08:59] <Jucato> right... later then :P
[08:59] <stdin> cya o/
[08:59] <Jucato> stdin: everything's easy for you.. you're a monster!
[08:59] <Jucato> so that doesn't count
[08:59] <stdin> GERRRR!
[09:00] <stdin> ^ monster noises
[09:00] <Jucato> I'm a mere KHuman Kreature
[09:00] <Jucato> :P
[09:01] <eagles0513875> Jucato: lol
[09:01] <Serega> http://picasaweb.google.com.ua/sergey.rudchenko/TShirts
[09:36] <eagles0513875> Nightrose: finished the bug i was working on at bout midnight last night
[09:37] <Nightrose> nice
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[10:31] <eagles0513875> Nightrose: trying to find another bug that i can work on but i need to do studying first
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[10:57] <eagles0513875> night
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[11:24] <eagles0513875> there r so many new bugs its daunting
[11:27] <eagles0513875> anyone in here
[11:27] <eagles0513875> would this be a good bug for me to wrok onhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/217441
[11:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 217441 in amarok "Recommends/Depends on kdebase-kio-plugins for iPod autodetection " [Undecided,New]
[11:31] <eagles0513875> anyone alive in her elol
[11:31] <eagles0513875> *here
[11:32] <emonkey> is there really no image or it is just my own blindness?
[11:32] <emonkey> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu-kde4/daily/current/
[11:33] <eagles0513875> emonkey: no image
[11:33] <eagles0513875> emonkey: can u do anything about this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/217503
[11:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 217503 in flashplugin-nonfree "Multiple Vulnerabilities 9.0.48.0-2+really0ubuntu12" [Undecided,New]
[11:34] <Riddell> emonkey: 20080415.1 still syncing
[11:34] <emonkey> no I can't I'm not a developer or packager
[11:34] <emonkey> Riddell, thank you
[11:34] <eagles0513875> Riddell: did u see that flashplugin bug
[11:35] <eagles0513875> im sorting through some bugs looking for something to fix and i stumbled on this
[11:35] <eagles0513875> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/217503
[11:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 217503 in flashplugin-nonfree "Multiple Vulnerabilities 9.0.48.0-2+really0ubuntu12" [Undecided,New]
[11:36] <emonkey> eagles0513875, maybe your question should be better in #ubuntu-bugs
[11:36] <eagles0513875> ok
[11:37] <Riddell> eagles0513875: we already have 9.0.124 in hardy
[11:37] <eagles0513875> Riddell: i know but what bout those people who are using gutsy
[11:39] <eagles0513875> Riddell: would this be a bug i could fix or a little bit more complex then it looks
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[11:40] <eagles0513875> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/217441
[11:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 217441 in amarok "Recommends/Depends on kdebase-kio-plugins for iPod autodetection " [Undecided,New]
[11:41] <Riddell> eagles0513875: maybe, it should just need the md5sums updated compared to the existing -update version
[11:43] <eagles0513875> Riddell: u recommend i assign myself to the bug
[11:46] <Riddell> eagles0513875: if you want
[11:47] <eagles0513875> Riddell: would it be good to get the amarok source code and take a look at the changelog
[11:48] <Riddell> ?
[11:49] <eagles0513875> Jin regards to the amarok bug i mentioned above
[11:49] <eagles0513875> *in
[11:52] <Riddell> emonkey: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/daily/20080415.1/
[11:52] <emonkey> :) thx!
[12:17] <Artemis_Fowl> Riddell: ping
[12:20] <Riddell> hi Artemis_Fowl
[12:20] <Artemis_Fowl> Riddell: there are some things I would like to know about the LiveCD
[12:20] <Artemis_Fowl> Riddell: is the command grub-install avaiable?
[12:21] <Artemis_Fowl> available*
[12:22] <smarter> apachelogger: ping
[12:23] <Riddell> Artemis_Fowl: yes
[12:23] <smarter> apachelogger: I've finally uploaded my debdiff to bug #60898 :)
[12:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 60898 in konversation "Konversation Crashes on DCC Chat" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60898
[12:24] <Artemis_Fowl> Riddell: what about the /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/stage* files?
[12:24] <Riddell> Artemis_Fowl: yes them too
[12:25] <Artemis_Fowl> Riddell: nice
[12:25] <Artemis_Fowl> Riddell: one last thing:
[12:25] <Artemis_Fowl> Riddell: how should the app know where to find a menu.lst file?
[12:25] <Riddell> dpkg -L grub | grep menu  ?
[12:26] <Riddell> but it's all in /boot/grub/
[12:26] <Riddell> menu.1st and the stage files
[12:27] <Artemis_Fowl> Riddell: while on the LiveCD I mean
[12:28] <Riddell> Artemis_Fowl: it would need to find a partition with /boot/grub on it
[12:28] <Riddell> so probably mount each partition in turn and see if that has grub on it
[12:29] <Nightrose> smarter: he is learning for a test - don't expect an answer soon I'd say
[12:29] <Riddell> or do whatever ubiquity does, but I don't know what that is and likely means complex debconf things
[12:29] <Artemis_Fowl> Riddell: yep. but that should be handled by a patch from your part
[12:30] <Artemis_Fowl> Riddell: I can't use such distro-agnostic code in the app
[12:31] <smarter> Nightrose: ok, thanks for telling me, I'm not in a hurry right now so I'll leave him alone ;)
[12:31] <Nightrose> ;-) ok
[12:32] <eagles0513875> Nightrose: u might be able to help me
[12:32] <eagles0513875> Nightrose: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/217441
[12:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 217441 in amarok "Recommends/Depends on kdebase-kio-plugins for iPod autodetection " [Undecided,New]
[12:32] <Nightrose> what do you need?
[12:32] <smarter> slaps! slaps! :P
[12:33] <Nightrose> haha
[12:33] <Nightrose> right
[12:33]  * Nightrose slaps
[12:33] <eagles0513875> do i fix that in source and upload a debdiff or Riddell said something about checking the md5sum against the current version
[12:33] <eagles0513875> this is the bug thanks for reminder https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/217441
[12:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 217441 in amarok "Recommends/Depends on kdebase-kio-plugins for iPod autodetection " [Undecided,New]
[12:34]  * Nightrose would say you should do what Riddell said then ;-)
[12:35] <eagles0513875> is ther a how to to do that or could u walk me through how to fix it
[12:35] <Nightrose> I really have no idea what the problem is there and don't have the time to look into it sorry
[12:35] <Nightrose> lecture starting in 20 mins :)
[12:35] <Nightrose> yay for multilingual speech processing
[12:35] <eagles0513875> basically its missing the kde-kio-plugin dependency it was removed and it was not noted in the changelog
[12:35] <Riddell> eagles0513875: the md5sum change was about the flashplugin update
[12:35] <eagles0513875> ahhh my bad
[12:35] <Nightrose> well you already downloaded a source package with apt-get source once right?
[12:35] <eagles0513875> Nightrose: wrong but lol
[12:36] <eagles0513875> Nightrose: ya thats what i was planning on doing
[12:36] <eagles0513875> nm i know how to do this
[12:36] <Nightrose> ok great ;-)
[12:36] <divansantana> hello - quick question, if i want to download the test-RC-alternate64 cd where cn i get it? I want to test hdd encryption as per Riddell's blog
[12:37] <eagles0513875> divansantana: u want the daily image right
[12:37] <divansantana> i think so
[12:37] <eagles0513875>  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/daily/20080415.1/
[12:37] <divansantana> as per http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3396
[12:38] <divansantana> kewl let me try that!
[12:38] <Riddell> and/or  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20080415/
[12:38] <divansantana> thx guys. I'll download that. Install the encryption 64 alternate CD and post the results as per Riddells blog
[12:39] <divansantana> thx thx :) kewl:)
[12:43] <eagles0513875> im getting random lockups and im not running compiz or its not working for me
[12:46] <eagles0513875> Nightrose: when fixing bugs like the one i was working on yesterday there is no need to upload the pkged tar is there to launchpad
[12:48] <Nightrose> debdiff is enough AFAIK
[12:48] <eagles0513875> ok
[12:50] <eagles0513875> Riddell: the bug i was working on yesterday it has its debdiff's uploaded can i change the status of the bug or leave it like it is and who ever commits the fix changes it
[12:50] <Nightrose> ok I am off to my first lecture on multilingual speech processing - wish me luck ;-)
[12:50] <eagles0513875> luck
[12:50] <emonkey> Nightrose, hf & gl
[12:50] <Nightrose> thx :)
[12:51] <eagles0513875> emonkey: u should get in on the bug fixing game
[12:52] <emonkey> eagles0513875, you mean the 5-a-day thing?
[12:52] <Tonio_> hi everyone
[12:52] <eagles0513875> what 5 a day thing
[12:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll fix the latest kdesudo issues today
[12:52] <eagles0513875> hey
[12:53] <eagles0513875> Tonio_: question for ya
[12:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: what issues is that?
[12:53] <davmor2> Tonio_:  Just the man I have a bluetooth issue I just took up with Riddell can you help?
[12:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: little problem with spaced args
[12:53] <emonkey> eagles0513875, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day
[12:53] <eagles0513875> Tonio_: i fixed this bug yesterday https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/216529 the debdiffs r uploaded can i change the status from in progress to fix committed
[12:53] <Tonio_> davmor2: sure !
[12:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: I rewrote the kdesudo args parsing argument for kde4 compatibility, but it look like this old little bug is back
[12:54] <eagles0513875> emonkey: im still new to all this im getting my bearings still
[12:55] <eagles0513875> Tonio_: if u need testing let me know ill help out
[12:55] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: if it's uploaded, then you can change to fix released, yes
[12:55] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: is the upload waiting to be approved ?
[12:55] <eagles0513875> Tonio_: ok
[12:55] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: no need to test, the debdiff is good
[12:55] <Tonio_> davmor2: what is the bug ?
[12:56] <eagles0513875> Tonio_: all i have uploaded r the deb diffs apachelogger told me there was one minor thing he would fix but on the whole everything is fixed
[12:56] <davmor2> Tonio_: I got a nokia phone and the way it browses is a bunch of named folder.  I can traverse all the folders but in Images (the folder most people I'm guess would want to access) I see nothing just an empty folder.  It contains about 25 images.  There are jpgs in other folders so that isn't the issue.
[12:58] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: hum okay I'll look more carefully then :)
[12:58] <jjesse> morning :)
[12:58] <eagles0513875> Tonio_: if u would like ill link u
[12:58] <eagles0513875> morning jjesse
[12:58] <eagles0513875> Tonio_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/216529
[12:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 216529 in kdebase-runtime "kdebase-bin depends kdebase-bin-kde3 OR kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4" [High,Triaged]
[12:58] <Tonio_> davmor2: that's a problem with the libopenobex1 for sure
[12:59] <Tonio_> davmor2: what happens with the gnome bluetooth framework ?
[12:59] <davmor2> Tonio_: It just seems strange that it displays the images in other folders.  I'll check the gnome one 2 ticks
[13:00] <Tonio_> davmor2: probably too complex bug for fixing right now.... especially since obex requires very specific knowledge, so probably only upstream can fix
[13:00] <Tonio_> davmor2: and kdebluetooth is currently unmaintained due to work on kde4
[13:00] <Tonio_> davmor2: no chance it gets fixed with hardy....
[13:00] <Tonio_> davmor2: yep please let me know what with gnome
[13:01] <Tonio_> davmor2: fyi, nokia's obex server implementation isn't standard, I have issues with my nokia phone I never had with a sony or samsung
[13:01] <Tonio_> davmor2: globally nokia sucks at bluetooth....
[13:01] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: looking at the debdiff
[13:01] <eagles0513875> i have some friends who r on kubuntu/ubuntu and have nokia and they dont seem to be having any issues
[13:02] <eagles0513875> Tonio_: ok
[13:02] <davmor2> Tonio_: I can view them in gnome.
[13:03] <Tonio_> davmor2: weird....... then that's a kdebluetooth issue....
[13:03] <davmor2> Tonio_: I'm going to test kde4 latter today might it work in that one?
[13:04] <davmor2> and would you like to know?
[13:04] <Tonio_> davmor2: there is no bluetooth framework for kde4 yet
[13:04] <davmor2> :(
[13:04] <Tonio_> davmor2: please report the bug on launchpad
[13:04] <davmor2> np
[13:04] <Tonio_> davmor2: I'll look at it later and will consider a backport eventually for hardy
[13:04] <Tonio_> davmor2: but it looks to me too complicated to fix in the meantime hard is released
[13:05] <davmor2> np's
[13:06] <eagles0513875> Tonio_: hows it looking its the last 2 the rest r a my bad. i was doing this at midnight last night
[13:06] <davmor2> Tonio_: are there any log files that might be useful for the report?
[13:07] <Artemis_Fowl> Riddell: yet another question: the command mke2fs exists on the LiveCD, right?
[13:08] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: I was just thinking about that :)
[13:08] <Tonio_> davmor2: nope, I can reproduce on my cellphone
[13:08] <Tonio_> davmor2: with another folder
[13:08] <Tonio_> davmor2: using the bluetooth:/ protocol to browse right ?
[13:08] <davmor2> okay cool
[13:09] <Tonio_> then it is very hard to debug......
[13:09] <eagles0513875> Tonio_: im new to all this
[13:09] <Tonio_> davmor2: ping me once hardy is released, so that I can have a look
[13:09] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: that's okay :)
[13:09] <davmor2> np's
[13:09] <eagles0513875> Tonio_: working on my 2nd bug fix aka dependency fix
[13:09] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: the debdiffs seems okay for me
[13:09] <Tonio_> apachelogger: any objection if I upload ?
[13:09] <eagles0513875> Tonio_: dont think hes on
[13:09] <Riddell> Artemis_Fowl: yes
[13:10] <Artemis_Fowl> Riddell: good
[13:11] <eagles0513875> Tonio_: this is quite an interesting bug there is no changelog entry as to why this dependency was removed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/217441
[13:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 217441 in amarok "Recommends/Depends on kdebase-kio-plugins for iPod autodetection " [Undecided,In progress]
[13:12] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: for amarok, imho, it should only recommends
[13:12] <Tonio_> not depends on
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[13:12] <eagles0513875> wouldnt u want ipod support out of the box.
[13:12] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: amarok does not need this to work, but it's better have it. especially since not everyone has an ipod
[13:12] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: I don't have an ipod :)
[13:13] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: and it should work with kubuntu by default right ?
[13:13] <eagles0513875> i dunno dont have one
[13:13] <Tonio_> kdebase-kio-plugins is installed with kubuntu afaik
[13:13] <Tonio_> hum nope you are right, it doesn't
[13:13] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: then the best way is to let amarok recommend it
[13:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: recommended package will be installed by default right ?
[13:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: dunno
[13:14] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: also the package is 5 MB
[13:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: would that eventually feet on the cd ?
[13:15] <Riddell> fit?  probably not
[13:15] <Tonio_> yet fit, sorry
[13:15] <Riddell> well, it's already on the CD of course
[13:15] <eagles0513875> so i should put it that pkg as recommends
[13:15] <Riddell> KDE 4 CD has no amarok
[13:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: is it ?
[13:16] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: what surprises me is that the package should be installed by default, out of the box
[13:16] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: so the problem would only concern people using amarok with gnome for example
[13:16] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: am I wrong ?
[13:16] <eagles0513875> i dunno
[13:16] <eagles0513875> im strictly kde
[13:16] <Riddell> Tonio_: kdebase-kio-plugins is on the Kubuntu CD yes
[13:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay :)
[13:16] <eagles0513875> so then this isnt a bug
[13:16] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: then we can simply add a recommends, yes, and upload
[13:17] <Tonio_> that may fix for gnom and no impact on kubuntu
[13:17] <eagles0513875> ok
[13:17] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: but yeah, I prefer recommends, so that people can choose whether they want it installed or not (apt-get/aptitude)
[13:17] <eagles0513875> the impression im getting this person is using kde
[13:17] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: ping me when the debdiff is out and bug updated, so I'll upload
[13:17] <eagles0513875> Tonio_: how do i ping
[13:18] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: then he ahs a problem with his config
[13:18] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: just write my name here :)
[13:18] <eagles0513875> Tonio_: didnt know that was pinging
[13:18] <Tonio_> I'll get a notice
[13:18] <eagles0513875> ok
[13:18] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: yeah sorry, that's a channel dialect :)
[13:18] <eagles0513875> i learned something new
[13:18] <eagles0513875> hopefully i dont end up spending a majority of this afternoon borking and unborking stupid mistakes of my own
[13:20] <eagles0513875> Tonio_: i dunno how i borked compiz
[13:21] <eagles0513875> its not working for me
[13:26] <\sh> Nightrose, hey...why aren't we added to the projects page on openexpo.de? like the ubuntu+python+moinmoin all together booth?
[13:31] <eagles0513875> Tonio_: almost at the point of uploading my debdiff
[13:32] <eagles0513875> Tonio_: question for ya how do i get kate not to save backup files
[13:33] <eagles0513875> Tonio_:
[13:35] <eagles0513875> Tonio_: we have a problem
[13:35] <eagles0513875> Tonio_: kdebase-kio-plugins
[13:36] <Tonio_> yep ?
[13:36] <eagles0513875> Tonio_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/217441
[13:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 217441 in amarok "Recommends/Depends on kdebase-kio-plugins for iPod autodetection " [Undecided,In progress]
[13:36] <eagles0513875> matt posted something before me he did it as a dependency and i did it as a recommended pkg
[13:37] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: it shouldn't depend, that's not a requirement for the software to work
[13:37] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: and not everyone has an ipod
[13:37] <eagles0513875> ok then how can i get a hold of matt before he uploads
[13:40] <eagles0513875> Tonio_: whats going to happen now since he probably uploaded his fix before i did
[13:44] <Tonio_> hum
[13:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: what is your opinion about that ?
[13:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: should amarok depend on a package for ipod autodetection or just recommends ?
[13:45] <eagles0513875> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/217441
[13:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 217441 in amarok "Recommends/Depends on kdebase-kio-plugins for iPod autodetection " [Undecided,In progress]
[13:45] <apachelogger> Tonio_: no depends
[13:46] <apachelogger> in fact
[13:46] <apachelogger> ipod stuff will even work without it
[13:46] <apachelogger> only autodetection isn't going to work
[13:46] <eagles0513875> well i have a debdiff up there as well as the first responer to it
[13:46] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: should i change the status of the bug i finished working on yesterday to fix committed or not yet
[13:47] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: give Riddell the debdiff URL for kdebase-3.5.9
[13:47] <Tonio_> apachelogger: yep, should be recommends
[13:47] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: -runtime still needs a changelog which actually describes the changes correctly
[13:47] <Tonio_> apachelogger: especially since the package is already installed on kubuntu
[13:47] <Tonio_> apachelogger: just gnome is concerned
[13:48] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: will u remind me about that runtime one when i get bout in bout 2 hrs
[13:48] <eagles0513875> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-runtime/+bug/216529
[13:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 216529 in kdebase-runtime "kdebase-bin depends kdebase-bin-kde3 OR kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4" [High,Triaged]
[13:48] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: in regards to the runtime is the changelog missing in the debdiff
[13:49] <apachelogger> Tonio_: though...
[13:49] <apachelogger> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/kdemultimedia-kio-plugins
[13:49] <apachelogger> eh, wrong one
[13:49] <apachelogger> nah
[13:49] <apachelogger> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/kdebase-kio-plugins
[13:49] <apachelogger> it pulls in too many unnecessary packages
[13:50] <apachelogger> Tonio_: I'm closing as invalid
[13:50] <Tonio_> yep
[13:50] <Tonio_> apachelogger: that's why amarok should recommends -> you are not obliged to install it if you don't want it
[13:51] <apachelogger> question is why it doesn't do that
[13:51] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: the -runtime debdiff doesnt have changelog
[13:51] <apachelogger> Ô mon Dieu!
[13:52] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: what im seeing is that it does have change log
[13:52]  * apachelogger logs out of LP and relogins with his actual account :D
[13:52] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: lol
[13:53] <apachelogger> oh
[13:53] <apachelogger> actually
[13:53] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: that debdiff for amarok looks good
[13:53] <eagles0513875> :)
[13:53] <eagles0513875> me learning and learning fast
[13:53] <eagles0513875> which debdiff u guys use is up to u guys
[13:54] <apachelogger> well
[13:54] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: the kde bug i fixed is up there just needs to be uploaded
[13:54] <eagles0513875> at least u have the bug fixed either way lol the dependency or my recommends
[13:54] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: would have been perfect if it would also close the bug in debian/changelog
[13:54] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: re recommended packages, only for section: metapackages stuff, currently
[13:55] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: O-o
[13:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: please upload http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13462796/amarok-1.4.9.1.debdiff
[13:55] <eagles0513875> :)
[13:56] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13435284/kdebase-runtime.debdiff
[13:56] <apachelogger> the changelog entry is wrong
[13:56] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: i swear i fixed that
[13:56] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: ill have to fix it when i return i have to go take a shower and ill be back in bout 2 and half hrs and ill fix it
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[13:56] <davmor2> back :)
[13:57] <eagles0513875> w/b dav
[13:57] <apachelogger> hm, showering for 2.5 hours sounds unhealthy ;-)
[13:57] <eagles0513875> not showering then i have somewhere to be at 330
[13:57] <eagles0513875> till 530
[13:58] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: should i change the amarok bug to fix committed
[13:59] <apachelogger> not necessary, just make sure you mark it as fix released as soon as it is built
[14:00] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: how will i know when it is built
[14:00] <apachelogger> well
[14:00] <apachelogger> s/built/uploaded
[14:00] <apachelogger> and for the upload you will get a mail
[14:01] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: so i run what you mentioned above
[14:01] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: i need to talk to you at some point in time about getting unbanned from motu channel
[14:02] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: IMO before talking about unbanning you should find out why you were banned in the first place
[14:02] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: and what are you 'running'?
[14:03] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: i answered my own question i think i dont need to run s/built/uploaded do i
[14:04] <apachelogger> oh
[14:04] <apachelogger> my
[14:04] <apachelogger> god
[14:04]  * apachelogger is shocked and goes preparing for the business ecnomics test tomorrow
[14:04] <eagles0513875> O_o
[14:04] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: i told you my answer before.
[14:04] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: ok
[14:04] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: and it would be useful if you actually said *why* you were adding that package as a recommends.
[14:04] <Hobbsee> not just that you were doing it.
[14:05] <eagles0513875> ok
[14:05] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: was my amarok change log ok or should i add why im adding it as recommends
[14:08]  * Hobbsee will probably be the one who ends up sponsoring it if Riddell doesn't.
[14:08] <apachelogger> hm
[14:09] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: btw, I got new cookies :D
[14:09] <apachelogger> so
[14:09] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: yay!
[14:09] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: if i'm in here, i'll probably need them
[14:09]  * apachelogger wanted to do something
[14:09] <apachelogger> ah
[14:09] <apachelogger> right
[14:09]  * apachelogger throws a webcam at eagles0513875
[14:09] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: recommened
[14:09] <apachelogger> that doesn't all that right to me
[14:13] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: ?
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[14:16] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: is recommened proper english?
[14:16] <JontheEchidna> A debdiff is a normal diff between two .dsc files, right?
[14:17] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: ya
[14:17] <JontheEchidna> k, thanks.
[14:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: no
[14:19] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: no
[14:19] <apachelogger> a debdiff is a diff between two source packages
[14:19] <apachelogger> like when you have 1.1.1-0ubuntu1 and 1.1.1-0ubuntu2 in two seperated directories and run a diff on them
[14:19] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: thats what i meant my bad
[14:20]  * eagles0513875 slaps self really hard and says to self focus and think before u speak
[14:20] <JontheEchidna> aah
[14:20] <apachelogger> !u | eagles0513875
[14:20] <ubotu> eagles0513875: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officier, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "are", "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[14:21] <eagles0513875> *me goes and gets a knife and slits wrist and will each time i do that
[14:21]  * eagles0513875 goes and gets a knife and slits wrist and will each time i do that
[14:22] <apachelogger> that is going to end bad
[14:22] <eagles0513875> im not really going to do that
[14:22] <eagles0513875> its an imaginary knife
[14:23] <apachelogger> totally emo image(tm)
[14:23] <eagles0513875> lol
[14:24] <JontheEchidna> hmm, I think I'm doing it wrong
[14:24] <JontheEchidna> diff backuppc-3.0.0 backuppc-3.0.0_ubuntu2/ >fix-depends.debdiff
[14:25] <JontheEchidna> It's only giving me common subdirectories
[14:25] <apachelogger> diff --help
[14:25] <apachelogger> but
[14:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: why don't you just use debdiff?
[14:25] <eagles0513875> debdiff foo1.dsc foo2.dsc > foo.debdiff
[14:25] <JontheEchidna> oh O.o
[14:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes/Debdiff
[14:25] <apachelogger> oha :D
[14:26] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: debdiff is a program which will create the diff
[14:26] <apachelogger> s/program/application
[14:26]  * JontheEchidna nods
[14:27]  * nixternal yawns, stretches, and wipes eyes
[14:27]  * nixternal rolls back over and continues snoring
[14:27]  * apachelogger gives nixternal a coffee and cookies
[14:27] <apachelogger> lazy devels here
[14:29] <JontheEchidna> Now that looks much better
[14:29] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: it's recommend
[14:30] <apachelogger> I knew there is something strange about eagles0513875's version
[14:30] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: go fix that as well
[14:30]  * apachelogger gives Hobbsee a cookie
[14:30]  * apachelogger also gives emonkey a cookie
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> Anywho, I made a debdiff that fixes bug 18795
[14:31] <apachelogger> emonkey: doing any cd testing?
[14:31] <JontheEchidna> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/backuppc/+bug/18795
[14:31]  * JontheEchidna slaps ubotu
[14:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 18795 in backuppc "depends on wwwconfig-common" [Medium,Confirmed]
[14:31] <emonkey> apachelogger, yes i386 desktop and alternate ... takes a while all these scenarios
[14:32] <apachelogger> emonkey: also give the kde4 remix a try
[14:32] <apachelogger> that really requires some testing
[14:32] <emonkey> Im doin it with the kde4 version
[14:32] <emonkey> kde3 version Ill do later if there's enough time
[14:33] <apachelogger> nice
[14:33] <Hobbsee> JontheEchidna: so, why does it actually need tha tdep?
[14:33] <JontheEchidna> because people say it does?
[14:34] <JontheEchidna> apparently it fails during configuration without it
[14:34] <JontheEchidna> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/backuppc/+bug/67483 <- dupe has more info than the first report
[14:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 67483 in backuppc "Cannot install (dup-of: 18795)" [Undecided,New]
[14:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 18795 in backuppc "depends on wwwconfig-common" [Medium,Confirmed]
[14:36] <JontheEchidna> But, then again, I installed the package just fine...
[14:39] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: Paul Dufresne did that as well successfully
[14:41] <Hobbsee> JontheEchidna: it's out of date
[14:41] <Nightrose> \sh: we are not? narf! I will send them an email ASAP - they get a bonus for being awesome event organisers... meh!
[14:42] <Hobbsee> JontheEchidna: you may want to look at upgrading the entire thing, and filing a uvfe
[14:42] <\sh> Nightrose, ubuntu is there reported...amarok as standalone speak ...
[14:43] <\sh> Nightrose, no kde/amarok booth actually
[14:43]  * Hobbsee blinks at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/backuppc/+bug/211326
[14:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 211326 in rsync "[Freeze Exception] Please update rsync to 3.0.x for hardy" [Undecided,New]
[14:43] <Nightrose> \sh: thx for noticing - will stab them now
[14:43] <Hobbsee> !ffe
[14:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ffe - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:43] <Hobbsee> !uvfe
[14:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about uvfe - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:43] <Hobbsee> !uvf
[14:43] <ubotu> uvf is Upstream Version Freeze.  For an exception, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-9523bc4076ff011324d67cddc97969ec609618d6
[14:44] <JontheEchidna> be back in a minute or few
[14:47]  * Jucato wonders if it's safe to send !msgthebot to Hobbsee...
[14:48] <Nightrose> \sh: meh you know what they did? they took the description for Amarok from Sven's proposal for his talk... /me headdesks
[14:48] <Hobbsee> !ff
[14:48] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[14:48] <Hobbsee> sigh, that's all out of date
[14:48] <Hobbsee> !uvfe is <alias> uvf
[14:48] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Hobbsee
[14:48] <Hobbsee> !ffe is <alias> uvf
[14:48] <\sh> Nightrose, hmm...I wonder, because for the ubuntu booth there is the description "Gemeinschaftsstand"
[14:53] <apachelogger> \sh: edubuntu ubuntu probably
[14:54] <\sh> apachelogger, no..ubuntu, python + moin moin as I understood
[14:54] <\sh> oh
[14:54]  * \sh needs to prepare some celebration during linuxtag this year
[14:55] <Nightrose> \sh: yea they just screwed up
[14:55] <\sh> 3 years of Ubuntu :)
[14:55]  * Nightrose hopes it will be better at the actual event
[15:10] <Nightrose> \sh: did you read the ubuntu text for open expo? that is horrible...
[15:10] <\sh> yes
[15:11] <\sh> at least it was worth a laugh here in our office ;)
[15:11] <Nightrose> hehe good
[15:26] <apachelogger> Nightrose: uh, I wanna see it as well
[15:26] <Nightrose> apachelogger: openexpo.de
[15:27] <Nightrose> by now they at least mention a deadline for the call for papers/project (didn't until a few days ago)
[15:27]  * Nightrose headdesks
[15:29] <apachelogger> Oo
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[17:59] <max_> I lova Ubuntu :)
[17:59] <max_> I LOVE Ubuntu :)
[17:59] <neversfelde> nice
[18:00] <Riddell> Kubuntu too?
[18:00] <max_> Yes
[18:01] <max_> Ubuntu use gnome
[18:01] <max_> gnome is unique desing and different windows
[18:02] <max_> Sorry
[18:02] <max_> I LOVE LINUX
[18:04] <max_> Im speak english a little
[18:04] <max_> I want to say thanks for all developers
[18:04] <max_> Im use  ubuntu-lnux
[18:05] <max_> and Im very happy
[18:06] <epsilom> where I do find good documentations about packaging for kubuntu?
[18:07] <Nightrose> !packaging guide
[18:07] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports
[18:08] <epsilom> thanks
[18:08] <Nightrose> you're welcome
[18:10] <max_> thanks
[18:11] <epsilom> KDE Rocks!
[18:11] <epsilom> :P
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[18:21] <blueyed> It's not possible to install kdebugdialog (kdebase-bin-kde3) on a hybrid kde system (kde3+4)?
[18:24] <Serega> why does screen blackening for couple of seconds at KDE startup?
[18:25] <blueyed> kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 conflicts with kdebase-bin-kde3, but it's actually possible to install using "dpkg -i --force-conflicts"
[18:25] <blueyed> Riddell: is there any reason for this conflict?
[18:28] <blueyed> it appears to be a leftover..?!
[18:30] <Riddell> blueyed: not for us
[18:31] <pradeeptob> hey Riddell
[18:31] <blueyed> Riddell: not a leftover? what's the reason then?
[18:31] <pradeeptob> Riddell: can you please help / point me to the mistake in a package that I am creating - kdepim enterprise for gutsy
[18:31] <awen_> blueyed: see the comment by apachelogger on bug 216529
[18:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 216529 in kdebase-runtime "kdebase-bin depends kdebase-bin-kde3 OR kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/216529
[18:32] <Riddell> pradeeptob: could do
[18:32] <Riddell> blueyed: I mean there is no reason for us, it can be got rid of
[18:32] <pradeeptob> Riddell: http://pastebin.ca/986246
[18:33] <awen_> blueyed: it seems to be a work-in-progress ... was some talk about it yesterday in this channel
[18:34] <blueyed> awen_: yes.. ~100 debdiffs there.. 8)
[18:35] <awen_> blueyed: exactly :P
[18:35] <Riddell> pradeeptob: you need to edit debian/kdepim-doc.install
[18:36] <pradeeptob> hmmm
[18:36] <Riddell> debian/tmp/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdepim-apidocs/ will be kdepim-enterprise2008-apidocs/
[18:36] <Riddell> or similar
[18:36] <Riddell> change it to that
[18:36] <Riddell> then rebuild with debuild -nc
[18:36] <awen_> blueyed: i think it is some kind of a learning experience ... apachelogger might be able to give us a heads-up, could be nice to have ready for our RC
[18:38] <blueyed> awen_: I think they got uploaded multiple times only.. I'll look into this.
[18:38] <pradeeptob> Riddell: interesting, but I omit the version number - 3.5.9 part ? is it?
[18:38] <Riddell> pradeeptob: debian/kdepim-doc.install needs to contain whatever directory it is that needs to be installed
[18:38] <Riddell> debian/tmp/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdepim-<something>
[18:38] <pradeeptob> ah ok
[18:39] <apachelogger> blueyed: no, the uploader just wasn't exactly accurate when creating the diffs
[18:40] <apachelogger> but in fact, kdebase 3.5.9 is ready for upload, if Riddell would get a minute ;-)
[18:40] <blueyed> apachelogger: I'll verify that it matches your comment. Ok.
[18:40] <Riddell> apachelogger: could do
[18:40] <awen_> apachelogger: yeah ... you're a paitient man :o)
[18:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: just read backlog :P IIRC I suggested patches for kdebase, amarok and konversation
[18:42]  * apachelogger is wondering how much one has to pay to become core-dev
[18:42] <blueyed> apachelogger: thought you had a debdiff ready?
[18:42] <Riddell> apachelogger: ask nicely at next tech board meeting, we'll all support you
[18:43] <apachelogger> that sounds too easy ;-)
[18:43] <apachelogger> blueyed: for the kdebase stuff?
[18:43] <blueyed> apachelogger: yes
[18:44] <apachelogger> blueyed: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13435267/kdebase-3.5.9.debdiff
[18:44] <apachelogger> just the -runtime isn't perfect yet
[18:44] <apachelogger> the changelog entry is actually wrong
[18:44] <nixternal> apachelogger: you gonna go for core-dev?
[18:44] <apachelogger> nixternal: I am at least thinking about it
[18:44] <\sh> nixternal, don't ask....push him :)
[18:45] <apachelogger> though I probably should do this after my finals
[18:45] <nixternal> if I decide to do it, I will wait a year or so :)
[18:45] <blueyed> apachelogger: great! :)
[18:45] <nixternal> I went almost 2 years before being pushed for MOTU
[18:45] <\sh> apachelogger is a lazy bastard...at least a bit more lazy then bddebian *harhar*
[18:45] <apachelogger> :P
[18:46] <nixternal> don't feel like answering all of the TB questions just yet :p
[18:46] <\sh> mdz 2 apachelogger: why do you feel it would be important, that you have to become a core-dev
[18:46] <nixternal> hehe
[18:47] <nixternal> \sh: that is one of the easier questions to answer
[18:47] <apachelogger> nixternal: not if you don't love the project ;-)
[18:47] <\sh> apachelogger to mdz: dude, you don't know me, I'm Da Clone Of Da Riddell and Now Just Add Me To Da Team ;-)
[18:47] <nixternal> I have stuck around since 2005, so I obviously love the project :p
[18:48] <apachelogger> lol
[18:48] <apachelogger> nixternal: or you are just too lazy to leave
[18:48]  * \sh will get a lot of kicks in his a** when he meets apachelogger again ;)
[18:48] <nixternal> :p
[18:49] <nixternal> it is easy enough to ping JR, Hobbsee, ScottK, and others to upload my crack
[18:49] <apachelogger> \sh: right next time we meet I will be representative of tha all mighty Kay Dee Eee
[18:49] <apachelogger> nixternal: they have better things to do
[18:49] <nixternal> so, their job is to upload my crack!
[18:49] <apachelogger> at least I hope they do ;-)
[18:50] <apachelogger> Nightrose: btw, can I talk about banshee in our KDEMM talk?
[18:50] <\sh> apachelogger, what? you will replace da sebas? ;)
[18:50] <Nightrose> apachelogger: we have to talk about that a little more closely in private I guess :P
[18:51] <apachelogger> \sh: rather impossible
[18:51]  * Nightrose will so not do a KDE talk where banshee is promoted ;-)
[18:51] <apachelogger> pfft
[18:51] <apachelogger> Nightrose: can we at least use gnome as presentation desktop?
[18:51] <Nightrose> nah!
[18:51] <apachelogger> but
[18:51] <apachelogger> but
[18:52] <apachelogger> tha plasma is b0rked
[18:52] <Nightrose> actually I think okular is awesome for presentations
[18:52] <Nightrose> used it for my last one at university
[18:52] <nixternal> ctrl+shift+p
[18:52] <\sh> apachelogger, as long as you don't come to me 5 mins before you have a talk and ask me to fix your vmware installation, you can do that ;)
[18:52] <Nightrose> *lol*
[18:52] <apachelogger> :D
[18:52] <nixternal> I use Okular now for all of my presentations
[18:52] <apachelogger> okular has no slide transition effects
[18:52] <Nightrose> nixternal: yea it is awesome
[18:52] <Nightrose> apachelogger: who needs that? ;-)
[18:52] <apachelogger> and openoffice with the new all cool opengl ones is just lovely
[18:53] <apachelogger> Nightrose: the target audience
[18:53] <Nightrose> oO
[18:53] <apachelogger> everything has to be nice and shiny
[18:53] <apachelogger> and a decent background glow
[18:53] <apachelogger> oh, and don't forget the cubes ;-)
[18:53] <Nightrose> *g*
[18:54]  * \sh will bring a laptop with kde 3.5.9 to openexpo and linuxtag...it's much better then having a broken kde4 ,-)
[18:55]  * Nightrose will bring KDE 4.0.3
[18:55] <Nightrose> and I hope fregl will come with a shiny kde 4 svn
[18:55] <\sh> Nightrose, I'm not convinced up to now, that kde4 likes my ati mobile radeon x300
[18:56] <Nightrose> hmmm i see - did you try the live cd?
[18:56] <fregl> hi
[18:56] <fregl> yeah, I'll bring whatever svn delivers...
[18:56] <Nightrose> ah the fregl is here :P
[18:56] <Nightrose> heya
[18:57] <fregl> currently that means no task bar I guess...
[18:57] <Nightrose> hehe
[18:57] <Nightrose> I hope that gets fixed until open expo
[18:57] <fregl> I guess :)
[18:57] <\sh> Nightrose, for openexpo, i think this won't be important ... if the fair will be like the planning comittee...it'll be a waste of time
[18:57] <fregl> and my 3d with some ati is working pretty well currently
[18:58] <Nightrose> \sh: hehe I _really_ hope it is not
[18:58] <fregl> \sh: we'll just rock them
[18:58] <Nightrose> right
[18:58] <Nightrose> and we are enough to make a real party there :P
[18:58] <apachelogger> \sh: don't call our KDE 4 broken!
[18:58] <apachelogger> it's working better than others :S
[18:58] <fregl> yes, we'll have a beer manager there ;)
[18:59] <Nightrose> *lol* right
[18:59] <fregl> hi apachelogger :)
[18:59] <Nightrose> yay for the beer manager
[18:59] <apachelogger> hoy fregl
[18:59] <\sh> fregl, it will be a pleasure to meet you at openexpo ;)
[19:00] <fregl> \sh: hehe, if you think so ;)
[19:01] <fregl> \sh: do you feel like doing a kde4 presentation there?
[19:02] <Nightrose> fregl! you can't get out of that :P
[19:02] <Nightrose> but I will help you
[19:02] <fregl> damn
[19:02] <fregl> oh, great...
[19:02] <Nightrose> we can do the same you did with carsten at cebit
[19:02] <fregl> life borkage on stage?
[19:02] <fregl> cool
[19:03] <Nightrose> :P right
[19:03] <fregl> I'd love to see the video, I have no clue what I talked about
[19:03] <Nightrose> \sh: or do you feel like showing off kde 4? *g*
[19:03] <Nightrose> fregl: ditto but I have not seen it anywhere :(
[19:04]  * fregl will try to remember to buy a lot of cough-drops in advance
[19:04] <Nightrose> hehe
[19:04] <\sh> fregl, Nightrose : I can show kde4 how it's crashing and how it's badly looking on my different desktops ;)
[19:04] <fregl> maybe I should ask them ...
[19:04] <fregl> hey, it's freaking great
[19:04] <Nightrose> \sh: *lol* you are disqualified for the talk right there ;-)
[19:05] <Nightrose> fregl: yea you should
[19:05] <\sh> I actually can't tell kde4 to show me icons in the kmenu of kubuntu right now...even on a fresh installed ubuntu machine, with apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[19:05] <fregl> it looks better, even when crashing :)
[19:06] <\sh> and I'm searching for the cause of that...because I trust riddell when he tells me, that everything is fine
[19:07] <apachelogger> \sh: icons don't work
[19:08] <apachelogger> though
[19:08] <apachelogger> hm
[19:08] <apachelogger> in kde they should :D
[19:09] <\sh> apachelogger, I'm talking about the menu icons in kde4 ;)
[19:09] <\sh> k-menu icons that is
[19:10] <apachelogger> kickoff icons :P
[19:10] <apachelogger> \sh: can you please make a screenshot?
[19:11] <\sh> apachelogger, http://www.sourcecode.de/content/kde4-without-icons-kmenu-applications
[19:12] <apachelogger> oh
[19:12] <apachelogger> nice rendering you have there :D
[19:12] <apachelogger> that plasma looks more broken than my trunk one
[19:12] <\sh> apachelogger, it was a fresh install on my company desktop ...the same look on my amd64 desktop
[19:13] <apachelogger> \sh: with clean .kde4?
[19:13] <\sh> apachelogger, does a fresh install have an unclean .kde4? :)
[19:14] <apachelogger> \sh: well, if you have your home on another partition, yes :P
[19:14] <\sh> apachelogger, so :)
[19:15] <DHGE> hi, could the latest krusader (1.9) be forgotten in hardy?
[19:16] <apachelogger> ?
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[19:18] <\sh> apachelogger, really...it was a really clean install with all partitions formatted...:)
[19:19] <apachelogger> \sh: that is .... strange
[19:19] <\sh> apachelogger, yepp
[19:20] <apachelogger> the icons are in kde-icons-oxygen
[19:20] <apachelogger> and this package is a dependency of I guess any other package
[19:20] <apachelogger> at least a lot of them
[19:20] <\sh> apachelogger, I'll do a clean install of my laptop during the next days (just before release) to test kubuntu and ubuntu installation cds..so I can see if it was just a glitch in the matrix, or if it's something else
[19:21] <apachelogger> \sh: I think KDE 4 is just mad at your for calling it broken :P
[19:21] <\sh> apachelogger, actually all my last installments were ubuntu -> apt-get install <whatever kde version is there>
[19:21] <\sh> apachelogger, bah...I'm a happy amarok user, so kde can't be mad at me ;)
[19:22] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[19:22] <apachelogger> hm
[19:22] <apachelogger> \sh: did you install kubuntu-desktop first or kubuntu-kde4-desktop?
[19:23] <\sh> apachelogger, kubuntu-desktop first
[19:23] <apachelogger> k
[19:23] <apachelogger> no idea why this happened
[19:24] <\sh> apachelogger, and I think this will be the default installation method of an installment of kubuntu on a ubuntu machine ;)
[19:25]  * apachelogger did kubuntu-desktop -> kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[19:25] <apachelogger> Nightrose: what happened to the eagle?
[19:26] <\sh> well, me did apt-get install kubuntu-desktop kubuntu-kde4-desktop xubuntu-desktop openbox wmii
[19:26] <Nightrose> apachelogger: I think he has to learn for some test ;-)
[19:26] <apachelogger> me too
[19:26] <apachelogger> but I am to tired
[19:26] <apachelogger> because I had to revu someone's work yesterday -.-
[19:26] <Nightrose> apachelogger: then what are you doing here? sheshh
[19:26] <apachelogger> *yawn*
[19:26]  * Nightrose pushes apachelogger to bed 
[19:27] <Nightrose> when is the test tomorrow?
[19:27] <\sh> oh speaking of tired.../me needs to lay down for at least 1 hour..before wife comes home :)
[19:27] <apachelogger> \sh: well there is some wrong conflict between kdebase-bin from kde3 and the one from kde4
[19:27] <apachelogger> so eventually one of the desktops is malfunctioning
[19:27] <apachelogger> which is is apparently kde4 ;-)
[19:27] <apachelogger> Nightrose: 9:10
[19:28] <\sh> apachelogger, grmpf...I'll check it out a bit later...(hopefully the next weekend...when I have more time)
[19:28] <apachelogger> \sh: should be fixed by then ;-)
[19:28] <\sh> apachelogger, hopefully :)
[19:28] <\sh> apachelogger, but there are other buggers, I might have fixed before release...e.g. recordmydesktop ;)
[19:29] <apachelogger> IMO pulseaudio made things even worse than before
[19:29] <apachelogger> xine only got fixed some days ago
[19:29] <\sh> apachelogger, any new sound layer made linux + sound more worse then before ,)
[19:29] <apachelogger> until then amarok was completely broken with pulse
[19:30] <apachelogger> \sh: well, currently eventually every app which doesn't bind to pulseaudio or gstreamer is not working as expected
[19:30] <\sh> apachelogger, no..even when alsa was introduced as "the new worldorder in things like sound"...most apps were freaking out, even when the changelog said: "alsa compatible"
[19:31] <ubuntu_> Just testing Kubuntu Hardy iso, all works well =]
[19:31] <apachelogger> \sh: yeah, but what advantage gets the user from pulseaudio?
[19:32] <\sh> apachelogger, so regarding any new layer of sound interface, and it doesn't matter if it was kernel space, userspace, a new sound server or whatever...at any time, something new for sound was making the whole experience worse..
[19:32] <apachelogger> phonon didn't
[19:33] <eagles0513875> i hope my fix for this wasnt uploaded yet https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/217441 i got a reason y the pkg should be included
[19:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 217441 in amarok "Recommends/Depends on kdebase-kio-plugins for iPod autodetection " [Undecided,In progress]
[19:33] <\sh> apachelogger, actually he/she can listen to sound output of his/her mp3 player, at the very same time he/she can use voip ..without a soundserver you need hardware mixing on your soundcard and all integrated sound cards or cheap ones don't have hardware mixing.so you need something else
[19:33] <apachelogger> \sh: what is the purpose of dmix then?
[19:34] <apachelogger> !u | eagles0513875
[19:34] <ubotu> eagles0513875: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officier, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "are", "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[19:34] <\sh> apachelogger, freaking away sane users? whoever played around with alsa configuration is insane
[19:34] <apachelogger> \sh: it is supposed to work out of the box?
[19:35] <\sh> apachelogger, dmix? you need to configure it in .asoundrc or whatever your local alsa configuration file might be
[19:35] <\sh> apachelogger, remember amarok...there was a documentation to use dmix stuff with alsa and amarok these days
[19:35] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: im goign to fix the runtime changelog
[19:36] <apachelogger> \sh: that was years ago
[19:36] <\sh> apachelogger, http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Setting_up_Dmix_for_ALSA
[19:36] <apachelogger> dmix has been made default on 2 years ago or something
[19:37] <\sh> apachelogger, never :)
[19:38] <apachelogger> NOTE: For ALSA 1.0.9rc2 and higher you don't need to setup dmix. Dmix is enabled as default for soundcards which don't support hw mixing.
[19:38] <apachelogger> http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Dmix
[19:38] <\sh> apachelogger, yes....
[19:38] <\sh> apachelogger, did you ever tried to use a headset with it?
[19:38] <\sh> apachelogger, usb headset that is ;)
[19:38] <apachelogger> \sh: that is eventually an issue in alsa which should be fixed
[19:38] <apachelogger> not worked around
[19:39] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: is this good for runtime chanelog
[19:39] <eagles0513875> Removed kdebase-bin-kde3 dependency because it uses a different path then
[19:39] <eagles0513875>     than the kdebase-runtime-4.0.3
[19:39] <apachelogger> what if pulseaudio turns out to have problems with something, do we introduce a new layer to work around it?
[19:40] <\sh> apachelogger, actually that's why we had arts, esd, jack, pulseaudio, eventually phonon, whatever layer will come next ...
[19:40] <apachelogger> phonon != arts, esd, jack, pulseaudio
[19:40] <\sh> apachelogger, every layer had problems, if it was a cryptic setup language, or recompiling the kernel (old oss kernel times) or or or...
[19:41] <apachelogger> so, why do we introduce them over and over again?
[19:41] <apachelogger> where is that obsession of sound servers from?
[19:41] <\sh> apachelogger, hopefully not...
[19:42] <\sh> apachelogger, thin clients?
[19:42] <\sh> xterminals whatever
[19:42] <apachelogger> \sh: xterminals are used by the target audience of ubuntu?
[19:42] <apachelogger> that project's target really shifted a bit
[19:42] <\sh> apachelogger, ltsp?
[19:43] <apachelogger> \sh: why do we need it in a stock ubuntu?
[19:43] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: this is what im goign to upload as new change log
[19:43] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: it's wrong
[19:43] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: Removed kdebase-bin-kde3 dependency because it uses a different path then than the kdebase-runtime-4.0.3
[19:44]  * apachelogger sensens redundancy
[19:44] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: it's wrong
[19:44] <apachelogger> *senses even
[19:44]  * eagles0513875 apologizes fort the redundancy
[19:44] <\sh> apachelogger, why? it's hype, it's brown, blue yellow...I don't know...I'm pragmatic...it cost me ages to tell alsa + usb headset + kde + amarok to play nicely together...now it took me more then a week to come around the secrets of PA + alsa + flash + sound monitor settings...
[19:45] <\sh> apachelogger, what I want to say is, that a sane user shouldn't deal with this sort of stuff...it should just work...how we achieve it, I don't care, that we have to achieve it, YES, and it should work for 96% of the users of linux
[19:46] <apachelogger> \sh: if you look at the kde mailing list archives you will probably find the very same reasons for including arts in KDE
[19:46] <apachelogger> eventually the solution becomes a burden
[19:47] <apachelogger> and already is, because we now have to fix stuff that has worked without problems before
[19:47] <apachelogger> use untested software, like the new pulse plugin for xine
[19:47] <\sh> apachelogger, and it won't get any better...even the codec mess nowadays freaks me out...
[19:47]  * jtate has mixed feelings about pulse audio
[19:47] <jtate> coworkers (all using gnome) give it rave reviews.
[19:47] <apachelogger> jtate: why?
[19:48] <jtate> They haven't had a multi-mixing capable daemon before now.  ESD didn't do it.
[19:48] <apachelogger> why do they need a daemon at all?
[19:48] <jtate> But I've been pretty happy with arts on ALSA
[19:48] <apachelogger> arts works for 10% of all users
[19:48] <apachelogger> oh
[19:49] <apachelogger> that is also a cool thin
[19:49] <apachelogger> g
[19:49] <apachelogger> in order to get arts to work with pulseaudio...
[19:49] <jtate> daemon is so that multiple users can use the same machine
[19:49] <apachelogger> arts -> esd -> pulseaudio -> alsa
[19:49] <Serega> err... long chain
[19:49] <apachelogger> esd -> pluseaudio -> alsa is already too long
[19:49] <jtate> the other thing a daemon gets you is Real Time kernel access.
[19:50] <Serega> someone use also JACK
[19:50] <eagles0513875> Serega: ive messed with it a bit
[19:50] <eagles0513875> i wanna start messing with it again
[19:50] <apachelogger> jtate: wouldn't it need a low latency kernel for that?
[19:50] <jtate> esd is going away eventually
[19:50] <apachelogger> i.e. real realtime
[19:50] <Serega> eagles0513875: with what?
[19:50] <jtate> apachelogger: well, yeah, but our kernel is
[19:50] <eagles0513875> jackd and some of the apps but vry little
[19:50] <\sh> apachelogger, esd is being emulated by PA
[19:51] <apachelogger> jtate: makes sense then
[19:51] <Serega> ah...
[19:51] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: whats missing from the change log
[19:51] <Serega> eagles0513875: I had no experience with that stuff at all
[19:51] <apachelogger> \sh: does it use libesd for that?
[19:51] <jtate> but I can't get KDE4 to launch the xdg/autostart stuff like it's supposed to, so pa requires manual tweaking to get kde3 apps to play.
[19:51] <eagles0513875> this is a question to all its kinda funny but has anyone tried to install compiz-fusion after installing kde4
[19:52] <jtate> eagles0513875: why would you do that?
[19:52]  * apachelogger was using fusion with kde4 before he installed ubuntu server and a kde trunk
[19:52] <apachelogger> jtate: kde4 has no cube
[19:52] <jtate> apachelogger: the "Expose" thing is better IMHO
[19:52] <eagles0513875> jtate: it was working for me with the cube before i borked my whole installation and now i have it installed after i installed kde4 and its not working
[19:53] <apachelogger> kde4 can't unfold the desktops
[19:53] <\sh> apachelogger, regarding the builddeps no...but i think there is a plugin for that, too...or whatever it takes..
[19:53] <jtate> See them all instead of squeezing 8 desktops onto an artificial "cube"
[19:53] <eagles0513875> it seems like it can it was working for me
[19:53] <jtate> apachelogger: It worked for me, except that kwin was too unstable to keep all the effects on.
[19:53] <\sh> anyhow.../me <-- bed :)
[19:53] <\sh> cu later
[19:53] <\sh> or better tomorrow
[19:54] <apachelogger> nini
[19:54]  * eagles0513875 going nuts figuring out what im missing from this changelog
[19:55] <jtate> or maybe I don't know what you mean by "unfold desktops"
[19:55] <eagles0513875> jtate: i have my setup as a cube
[19:55] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: look at the diff and evaluate whether your changelog entry describes what you changed in debian/control
[19:55] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: ok
[19:56] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: btw, this is the 5th time I tell you that the changelog entry in -runtime is completely wrong since it's not what you changed
[19:56] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: I really recommend you to take notes for such stuff
[19:56] <apachelogger> not everyone is as patient as me
[19:57] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: thats what im working on as we speak
[19:57]  * jtate turns the desktop effects on again, and all 4 of my desktops show up with "ctl-F8"
[19:57] <jtate> 2x2
[19:58] <eagles0513875> im going to have to purge compiz from here and reinstall it
[19:58] <eagles0513875> other wise i borked something else
[20:00] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: purging will not remove the configurations in your home directory
[20:01] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: removed the kdebase-bin-kde3 which conflicts and runs in a different path than kdebase-bin (<< 4:3.96.0)
[20:01]  * Nightrose has to leave the lab - nini folks :)
[20:01] <apachelogger> hehe
[20:01] <apachelogger> nini Nightrose
[20:02] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: that entry would even confuse me and I actually know the control file
[20:02] <apachelogger> lemme help you
[20:03] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: what did you do with kdebase-bin-kde3?
[20:03] <eagles0513875> removed it
[20:03] <apachelogger> from where?
[20:03] <eagles0513875> from in the control
[20:03] <apachelogger> from which stanza exactly
[20:03] <eagles0513875> from kde
[20:04] <eagles0513875> so removed the conflicting kdebase-bin-kde3 from the kde pkg
[20:04] <eagles0513875> not pkg maybe some other word
[20:04] <apachelogger> that is section kde :P
[20:04] <apachelogger> well
[20:04] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: from which lines?
[20:04] <apachelogger> which attributes?
[20:05] <eagles0513875> from the conflicts and and replaces line
[20:05] <apachelogger> phew
[20:05] <apachelogger> exactly that
[20:05] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: which package had them listed as conflicts/replaces?
[20:06] <eagles0513875> the kdebase-runtime but in the control its under kde
[20:06] <apachelogger> wrong
[20:06] <apachelogger>  Section: kde != Package: Foobar
[20:06] <eagles0513875> kde pkg
[20:06] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: have a look at your control file
[20:07] <eagles0513875> under the kde section of my control file
[20:07] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: what package??????
[20:08] <eagles0513875> the kdebase-runtime-kde4.0.3
[20:08] <apachelogger> wrong
[20:08] <apachelogger> that is the source package
[20:08] <apachelogger> what binary package
[20:09]  * eagles0513875 talks to self its not kde not the source
[20:09] <eagles0513875> the kde4 pkg
[20:09] <apachelogger> no
[20:09] <apachelogger> you really have to understand the package concepts
[20:09] <apachelogger> you have a source package
[20:09] <apachelogger> which has build-depdencies
[20:09] <apachelogger> this src package can create one or more binary
[20:10] <eagles0513875> which is done when the make is envoked right
[20:10] <apachelogger> they are part of certain orginsation units called section
[20:10] <apachelogger> they also can depend on other packages
[20:10] <apachelogger> replace others
[20:10] <apachelogger> conlict with others
[20:10] <apachelogger> recommend others
[20:10] <apachelogger> suggest others
[20:10] <apachelogger> so
[20:11] <apachelogger> you can't remove a replace/conflict from the source package because it only has build-dependencies
[20:11] <apachelogger> you can't remove replace/conflict from a section because it's just an organisation unit
[20:11] <apachelogger> but you can remove it from a binary package
[20:11] <eagles0513875> Package: kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4
[20:11] <apachelogger> there we go
[20:11] <eagles0513875> so
[20:11] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: so, you made kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 not conflict/replace kdebase-bin-kde3, right?
[20:12] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: ya
[20:12] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: so just write that in your changelog
[20:12] <apachelogger> and you didn't do anything with kdebase-bin (<< 4:3.96.0)
[20:12] <apachelogger> so don't mention it at all
[20:13] <eagles0513875> so removed the  kdebase-bin-kde3 from the kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 so that it would not conflict or replace kdebase-bin-kde3
[20:13] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: is that good like that
[20:15] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: that does not sound english
[20:15] <apachelogger> at least not in an understandable way
[20:15] <eagles0513875> apachelogger:  removed the  kdebase-bin-kde3 from the kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 so that it would not conflict or get replaced
[20:16] <apachelogger> you removed the foobar from teh foobar so that it would not conflict or get replaced
[20:16] <apachelogger> what is the foobar?
[20:16] <apachelogger> is it a package?
[20:16] <apachelogger> is it a sourc package?
[20:16] <apachelogger> a binary package?
[20:16] <apachelogger> is it a magic file?
[20:16] <apachelogger> is it an ice cream flavor
[20:17] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[20:17] <TimS> Sounds binary to me...
[20:17] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: and you didn't remove one package from another package
[20:17] <apachelogger> since that is technically impossible
[20:17] <apachelogger> you just removed from kdebase-bin-kde3 from kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4's conflict and replace lines
[20:18] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: don't write so so complicate descriptions
[20:18] <apachelogger> changelog entries shoudl be straight forward
[20:18] <apachelogger> TimS: yeah, but in that formation you wouldn't know for sure
[20:19] <TimS> True
[20:24] <awen_> any reason why there is no kde4 desktop cd's up for RC tests?
[20:25] <TimS> I am not sure, I had planned to test it, but it wasn't there.
[20:27] <awen_> same here
[20:30] <eagles0513875> apachelogger:  Keep It Simple Stupid(kiss)
[20:32] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: in regards to the changelog
[20:38] <fregl> kvirc crashes quite reliably for me in kde4 ...
[20:39] <apachelogger> woah
[20:39] <apachelogger> freeflying: kvirc == crash
[20:39] <apachelogger> fregl even
[20:40] <apachelogger> freeflying: sorry
[20:40]  * apachelogger needs to get Sput to make autocompletion in quassel less of a pain
[20:40] <fregl> hehe
[20:41]  * eagles0513875 is the bork master lol
[20:42] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: do you have a changelog entry yet?
[20:43]  * smarter will use Quassel when there's tab support
[20:43] <apachelogger> Oo
[20:43] <eagles0513875> finishing it now
[20:43] <apachelogger> smarter: I doubt there will ever be
[20:43] <smarter> why?
[20:44] <apachelogger> actually I think tabs for IRC is quite perverted
[20:44] <smarter> Then I stick to Konversation
[20:44] <smarter> maybe it's because I'm used to it
[20:44] <apachelogger> hm
[20:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: I have 57! what are you saying?
[20:44] <apachelogger> smarter: dood, you're too lazy ;-)
[20:44] <fregl> how is the quassel interface?
[20:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: tabs???????
[20:44] <fregl> I hate konversation tabs...
[20:44] <Riddell> yes
[20:44] <smarter> wow.
[20:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: that explains your lag sometime ;-)
[20:46] <smarter> E: Build-dependencies for amarok could not be satisfied.
[20:46] <smarter> wth?
[20:46] <apachelogger> *sometimes even
[20:47] <apachelogger> fregl: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/img075.png
[20:47] <apachelogger> quassel
[20:47] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: its up
[20:48] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: did you notice that I had a one-word-typo?
[20:48] <apachelogger> apparently not
[20:49]  * fregl will try quassel
[20:50] <Riddell> we don't seem to have quassel packages
[20:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: I have them in my ppa
[20:50] <apachelogger> I didn't want to add them to hardy since it's still in alpha
[20:51] <fregl> oh, how do I get them apachelogger?
[20:51] <fregl> was just about to compile that stuff
[20:51] <apachelogger> fregl: http://quassel-irc.org/faq#5n64
[20:53] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: this the mistake kde4's
[20:58] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: that's KDE 4.0.x or unstable?
[21:00] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: stable, the bottom panel looks a bit more messed up in trunk ;-)
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[21:01] <nosrednaekim> yeah... I heard they seriiously broke plasma
[21:01] <fdoving> it's fun how usefull qdbus is when the systray and the task manager doesn't work properly :)
[21:01] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: dude
[21:02] <apachelogger> Removed from kdebase-bin-kde3 from kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 conflict and
[21:02] <apachelogger> removed from x from y ?
[21:02]  * apachelogger has to go to bed
[21:02] <jhutchins_wk> Ok, there are no devices configured in xorg.conf.  Where is kubuntu storing the config (and why is it breaking the standard)?
[21:03] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: it will be fixed in 2 min
[21:03] <apachelogger> jhutchins_wk: this ist standard
[21:03] <apachelogger> xorg 7.3 does detect that stuff on runtime
[21:03] <apachelogger> so by default the config is super empty
[21:03]  * apachelogger heads to his bed
[21:03] <apachelogger> nini
[21:03] <nosrednaekim> jhutchins_wk: I think ScottK is the one workin on that
[21:04] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: take a look at it when u get up
[21:04] <awen_> jhutchins_wk: as apachelogger says... it is supposed to be empty
[21:04] <awen_> jhutchins_wk: or not exist at all
[21:13] <jhutchins_wk> So we've ended up with the Win98 registry after all then?
[21:13] <jhutchins_wk> Configured at boot, no too startups the same?
[21:14] <jhutchins_wk> If it doesn't auto-detect your hardware, oh well?
[21:14] <awen_> jhutchins_wk: that's the xorg7.3 way of doing things ... if it isn't auto-detected you are welcome to make a xorg.conf file, and it will of course be used
[21:16] <awen_> jhutchins_wk: if you install special drivers (like fglrx) an xorg.conf will be made for you IIRC
[21:19] <jhutchins_wk> Ok, so how do I compare configurations between two computers?
[21:19] <jhutchins_wk> How do I extract the settings of a working example to fix a broken one?
[21:20] <smarter> #xorg ?
[21:20] <jhutchins_wk> Yeah, sorry, just encountered it here first, didn't know it was their fault.
[21:22] <awen_> jhutchins_wk: would be my best bet too to try in #xorg ... if you have tried without the xorg.conf and the auto-detection doesn't do the job
[21:25] <nosrednaekim> seele: hey... is there a kde usbility mailing list/ irc channel? someone on #kubuntu is asking about it
[21:26]  * eagles0513875 goes bug hunting for a bug to fix
[21:26] <fdoving> nosrednaekim: kde-usability according to http://www.kde.org/mailinglists/
[21:26] <ryanakca> nosrednaekim: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-usability
[21:27] <ryanakca> fdoving: gah, too fast :)
[21:27] <fdoving> close :)
[21:27] <ryanakca> nosrednaekim: as for irc, #kde-usability
[21:28] <nosrednaekim> ok... thanks
[21:34] <eagles0513875> so hard to find bug for a novice like me to debu
[21:34] <eagles0513875> so hard to find bug for a novice like me to debug
[21:34] <jhutchins_wk> awen_: Ah well, no reply in xorg.
[21:34] <Riddell> eagles0513875: try http://daniel.holba.ch/really-fix-it/
[21:36] <awen_> jhutchins_wk: do you end up with a black screen when the kdm login screen should be shown?
[21:38] <jhutchins_wk> no, this one's working, one I shipped out last week went out with plain 800x600 vesa
[21:40] <eagles0513875> woot i borked my compiz install
[21:40] <awen_> jhutchins_wk: in the login screen as well as when logged in, or only when logged in?
[21:40] <jhutchins_wk> So I went in to see what the settings should be, and shazam!  I'm workin' on Windows again, no control.
[21:41] <jhutchins_wk> awen_: Setup is consistent on both.  The one I have here, HH, is an Intel Mac Mini dual booting to the EFI disk with rEFIt.
[21:42] <awen_> jhutchins_wk: did you see the Q ^^
[21:44] <awen_> jhutchins_wk: if it is only, when logged in, there is a hidden file (i think it is in ~/.kde ) where the users settings are
[22:02] <jhutchins_wk> awen_: They're not in /etc/kde/kdm/kdmrc any more?
[22:02] <jhutchins_wk> Oh ,when logged in, as in user preferences.
[22:03] <jhutchins_wk> Hidden file, how nice.  Now we'll be moving everything out of /etc/ and into ~/.foo.  </grumble>
[22:03] <awen_> jhutchins_wk: exactly ... they are changeable without root rights, so they need to be stored in your home directory
[22:03] <awen_> jhutchins_wk: just like all other user preferences / configs
[22:04] <seele> anyone know what time zone Artemis_Fowl is in?
[22:04] <jhutchins_wk> Yeah, that's a pretty ancient argument.  I'm much more system config oriented, users shouldn't play with things they don't understand, admins should understand the things they play with.  When users are admins, everything's grey.
[22:05] <crimsun> ~/.config, ~/.cache, etc. are FDO paths.
[22:05] <jhutchins_wk> That's when you get "The system does it for you so you don't have to think" - which is Windows.
[22:05] <jhutchins_wk> crimsun: FDO?
[22:06] <crimsun> freedesktop.org
[22:06] <jhutchins_wk> Ah.
[22:06]  * jhutchins_wk objects to tld's in project names too, but he's just in a bad mood this afternoon.
[22:07] <eagles0513875> jhutchins_wk: everything ok
[22:38] <Riddell> seele: greek i think, utc+3
[22:40] <awen_> that sounds very reasonable the name taken into consideration
[22:40] <seele> awen_: i thought artemis fowl was a children's fantasy book character?  like harry potter
[22:40] <seele> harry potter meets ender or something
[22:42] <awen_> seele: but also a greek mythological character ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemis
[22:42] <seele> yes i know :)
[22:42] <eagles0513875> wtf is up with this http://ubuntuforums.org/g/images/259341/1_bill_gates_ubuntu_mini.jpg
[22:43] <awen_> eagles0513875: i will suspect someone pulling a joke off ;)
[22:44] <eagles0513875> awen_: this explains it http://ubuntuforums.org/g/index.php?n=453
[22:46] <seele> i thought the ubuntu community frowned on windows-directed fud?
[22:47] <eagles0513875> seele: dunno my friend foudn it
[23:28] <stdin> eagles0513875: 1 more thing for the debdiff, add the bug number it closes: "...replace lines (LP: #216529)