2008/02/03/#ubuntu-ops.txt

[00:58] <PriceChild> fj
[00:58] <PriceChild> finally got a VM working woop
[01:33] <jussi01> congrats PriceChild
[01:34] <PriceChild> maybe tomorrow afternoon i'll get a chance to do something with ti
[01:34] <jussi01> lol... you could just stay up as long as me...
[01:34] <vorian> PriceChild: you should blog it
[01:35] <jussi01> (im 2 hours ahead of you remember :P)
[01:35] <PriceChild> vorian, you've an obsession with people blogging it now? :)
[01:36] <PriceChild> jussi01, meh... viewing 2 houses and playing a hockey game tomorrow *morning*.
[01:36] <vorian> PriceChild: first you should write a blog telling people you are going to blog about it, then a day later do the real blog
[01:36] <PriceChild> This will be the most productive morning in some time and I am not going to oversleep 8-)
[01:36] <PriceChild> vorian, and blog the blog?
[01:36] <jussi01> PriceChild: right...
[01:36] <vorian> exactly
[01:37] <vorian> right before you release the next version of ubuntu
[01:37] <PriceChild> all my own work
[01:37] <vorian> hehe
[01:37] <vorian> yep
[01:38] <jussi01> either of you into embedded stuff at all?
[01:42] <vorian> not really
[01:42] <jussi01> well then, with that, Im off to bed
[01:42] <jussi01> [03:41] here...
[01:43] <vorian> nighty night
[01:48] <Crysis> hola
[01:48] <Crysis> hay alguien vivo??
[01:49] <Crysis> porque nunca hay nadie
[01:49] <Crysis> ¬_¬
[01:50] <Crysis> donde estan los ops de #ubuntu-es
[01:52] <Crysis> o_0 bueno chau
[01:52] <LjL> jdt
[02:52] <Hobbsee> mikem was causing trouble, it apperas
[02:52] <Pici> Where?
[02:53] <Hobbsee> #ubuntu-devel
[02:54] <Pici> grr... he should know better.
[02:54] <LjL> mikem? know better?
[02:54] <LjL> made my day
[02:54] <Pici> I've never had a problem with him in the past.
[02:54] <LjL> you luck bastarxd
[02:55] <LjL> me terrible typist
[02:55]  * Hobbsee has seen various
[02:55]  * Hobbsee banfowards
[03:01] <__mikem> hey hobbsee, did you just send me an invitation to this channel?
[03:01] <Hobbsee> __mikem: yes
[03:01] <Hobbsee> __mikem: can i suggest that you actually follow channel topics?
[03:01] <__mikem> Um, sure.
[03:01] <Hobbsee> and that if others are telling you to, that you don't just ignore them, because they're not ops?
[03:02] <__mikem> Hobbsee: seveas already repremanded me for that earlier. I was wrong and I admit that.
[03:03] <Hobbsee> right.  good.  please don't do it again
[03:04] <__mikem> Okay.
[03:04] <__mikem> Thanks
[03:04] <Hobbsee> also, some of them in there probably *are* ops ;)
[03:05] <__mikem> Hobbsee, I know, thats why I checked the access list before I made that faux pa ;)
[07:43] <ubotu> nemilar called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[07:46] <nemilar> Hey we need in an op in #ubuntu if anyone is around
[07:48] <nemilar>  Austin_ (n=chatzill@pool-72-75-153-48.atclnj.east.verizon.net) needs a kicking or a banning or just a plain old a-whooping
[07:57] <nemilar> or a letter to abuse@verizon.net which has just been delivered :D  nevermind, all
[10:35] <jpatrick> LjL: had fun in #u-es last night I see... :-/
[10:38] <jpatrick> guys: co_gokil* in #u - possible nick spammer - keeps joining and quitting
[10:43]  * Gary giggles at Seveas 
[10:51] <Seveas> !staff
[10:51] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[10:51] <Seveas> --> incognito (n=ircap8@77.Red-88-11-66.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #ubuntu
[10:51] <Seveas> <incognito> http://bitxarraco.myminicity.es/
[10:52] <Azzmodan> Seveas,  What's the deal with banning me for stating that the term facist does not necessarily equate to nazis and/or godwin's law
[10:52] <Seveas> Azzmodan, I've said repeatedly in that talk that offtopic talking and second-guessing the ops is not welcome
[10:52] <Seveas> everyone had stopped, then you start it again
[10:52] <jpatrick> man, why do they never join #u-es
[10:53] <Seveas> I can forward them theree if you want ^_^
[10:53] <Azzmodan> I wasn't second guessing your actions and was just talking about the term facist/godwin's law
[10:53] <jpatrick> Seveas: he's spanish by the ip :)
[10:56] <Azzmodan> Seveas, how about you drop that uncalled for ban you bestowed on me?
[10:56] <Seveas> Azzmodan, how about not
[10:56] <Seveas> a) it wasn't uncalled for
[10:56] <Seveas> b) see a
[10:56] <Azzmodan> Seveas, how was it not uncalled for?
[10:56] <Seveas> Azzmodan, I've said repeatedly in that talk that offtopic talking and second-guessing the ops is not welcome
[10:56] <Seveas> everyone had stopped, then you start it again
[10:56] <Seveas> now please stop going in circles
[10:57] <nemilar> Are we allowed to question op's decisions in here?  (in front of all the ops?)
[10:57] <Azzmodan> Seveas, I wasn't second guessing you, but you misused the "godwin's law" term, since this is a quite common term and many people in the ubuntu channel are relativly new to internet lingo that wasn't offtopic for me to attempt to clarify either
[10:57] <nemilar> Or are we not allowed to inquire about their actions, anywhere
[10:57] <Seveas> nemilar, that's one of the reasons this channel was created
[10:57] <Hobbsee> nemilar: you're permitted to here
[10:58] <Seveas> ok, let's emphasize
[10:58] <nemilar> Ah.  Yes, it would be offtopic for #u
[10:58] <nemilar> :) friendly 
[10:58] <Seveas> Azzmodan, I've said repeatedly in that talk that offtopic talking and second-guessing the ops is not welcome
[10:58] <Seveas> emphasis enough?
[10:59] <nemilar> Is it standard to kick+ban someone on first offense rather than just kick?  I'm just curious, I've only been around for a couple of weeks, I've never seen such drama as tonight
[10:59] <Hobbsee> nemilar: depends what the offense is
[10:59] <Seveas> nemilar, for calling people fascists: yes
[10:59] <Azzmodan> Seveas, not only did I only see you mention that once before in this channel before you first stated it, you could also have asked/warned isntead of dropping a ban immediatly
[10:59] <Hobbsee> nemilar: (and the likelyhood of the user coming back, just to do it again)
[10:59] <nemilar> he called the bot a fascist, not you (not Azzmodan, the other guy)
[10:59] <Seveas> for continuing offtopic talk after all have stopped: not always, but common
[10:59] <nemilar> Hobbsee: yeah, I definitely get what you're saying 
[11:00] <Seveas> nemilar, calling the bot a fascist is calling the people who operate the bot a fascist since they write the texts and make it tell them
[11:00] <Azzmodan> At least that guy actually called an entity a ban instead of trying to clarify a misused term that I was attempting to do
[11:00] <Azzmodan> *an entity a facist
[11:00] <nemilar> it's a figure of speech, though, as off-topic as it may be
[11:00] <nemilar> it's actually a toned-down figure of speech 
[11:00] <Seveas> and guess what: DiploCat understood he was out-of-bounds, apologized and was unbanned
[11:01] <Seveas> but you had to continue the mess...
[11:02] <Azzmodan> So you're saying that I deserve to be banned for trying to clarify on a term that you misused, just because you somehow relate this with me second guessing your actions?
[11:02] <nemilar> Seveas: I think you will understand if most of the #ubuntu crowd is instinctually weary of any authority's use of power, justified or not 
[11:02] <Seveas> Azzmodan, I've now told you thrice why I placed the ban
[11:03] <Hobbsee> nemilar: this is possibly true.
[11:03] <Hobbsee> nemilar: as to why, i've no idea
[11:03] <Seveas> I'm not going to waste more time on this
[11:03] <nemilar> Hobbsee: I think (just a hypothesis) it's a libertarian thing
[11:03] <Azzmodan> Seveas, I see you repeat the same untrue line over and over yes. Still I don't see how me saying 1 line would somehow require a ban even if it where a single offtopic line as you claim
[11:04] <Hobbsee> nemilar: possibly.  that tehy're on a free OS, so can say whatever they like, i expect.
[11:05] <nemilar> Hobbsee: well, they/we/etc can't say _whatever_ we like... but I think as a generalization geeks (especially FOSS ones) have a harder time accepting authority, and are more suspicious of it
[11:06] <Azzmodan> I have a problem with authority when it is abused by banning me when I attempted to clarify on a misused term that contained no personal attacks or misinformation or second g uessing any operator's action
[11:06] <essy> Seveas: did someone respond to you earlier?
[11:07] <Seveas> essy, nope, I just pointed out another myminicity spammer
[11:07] <Azzmodan> Seveas, repeating the same line is no clarification. You also never issued me a warning and we disagree on wether it was offtopic
[11:07] <nemilar> oh, actually, now that there are a bunch of ops here, did anyone see my message about Austin_  (n=chatzill@pool-72-75-153-48.atclnj.east.verizon.net) ?
[11:08] <essy> Seveas: I see he's gone now though
[11:08] <Seveas> good
[11:08] <nemilar> I sent a log about him to abuse@verizon.net since there were no ops around at the time, and I was feeling a bit cranky
[11:08] <Hobbsee> essy!
[11:08] <Hobbsee> nemilar: this is true
[11:08] <essy> hobbsee!!
[11:09] <essy> I'm actually off to sleep - about 3-4 hours too late, but thought I'd check to see what was going on
[11:09] <essy> was leaving a message for pleia too
[11:09] <Hobbsee> heh
[11:12]  * essy pokes hobbsee into another window
[11:12] <Azzmodan> What'd be the best way to get a petty ban revoked when the op that placed it isn't open to conversation?
[11:12] <Seveas> essy, hey, leave a bit of Hobbsee in here, will you :)
[11:13] <essy> Seveas: no way - you get too much of a monopoly as it is
[11:13] <Seveas> please, just a small bit
[11:13] <Seveas> preferably a bit that I can tickle :0
[11:13] <Seveas> ;)
[11:13] <Gary> a toe?
[11:14] <essy> Seveas: wait a minute - this from the guy that avoids hugs and being tickled himself? hrmph!
[11:15] <ompaul> Azzmodan, you don't
[11:15] <ompaul> Azzmodan, now where is this ban 
[11:15] <ompaul> Azzmodan, with which nick
[11:15]  * essy hugs ompaul 
[11:16] <ompaul> morning essy 
[11:16] <essy> hiya ompaul 
[11:16]  * ompaul says that it being 11:15am and no fewd eaten
[11:17]  * jussi01 throws ompaul an apple
[11:17] <ompaul> I have read my Daemon Runyon for this morning, and currently listing to black sabbath 
[11:17] <ompaul> I have just been informed that I must depart to an eatery for the purpose of a late breakfast
[11:18] <ompaul> jussi01, thanks I'll grab that when I get back
[11:18] <ompaul> Azzmodan, I asked a question 
[11:18] <ompaul> if you are not interested in answering it why are you here>?
[11:20]  * Hobbsee beats Seveas
[11:20]  * ompaul tickles Hobbsee 
[11:20]  * Hobbsee beats ompaul too
[11:20] <Hobbsee> essy: Seveas likes hugs - at least, australian ones
[11:20] <ompaul> Hobbsee, there is too much of me to beat
[11:20] <Hobbsee> essy: when you get time, ask him about the airport :P
[11:21] <ompaul> how to get lost
[11:21] <ompaul> yeap anywayz
[11:21]  * jussi01 hugs Hobbsee 
[11:22] <ompaul> Seveas, as I am about to leave I won't remove Azzmodan perhaps you can entice them to explain what they want
[11:22]  * Hobbsee hugs jussi01 back :)
[11:23] <Seveas> ompaul, basic summary: Azzmodan wants to be unbanned from #ubuntu, I don't want to do that
[11:23] <Seveas> backlog says why
[11:27] <jpatrick> Seveas: this !thing of you and me may carry on for some time ;)
[11:27] <Azzmodan> ompaul, I'm banned with the nick "Azzmodan"
[11:27] <Seveas> jpatrick, hm?
[11:27] <jpatrick> nm
[11:27] <Seveas> k
[11:28] <Azzmodan> ompaul, Someone called the bot a facist in regards to seveas using the !u comment, I checked the window sometimes later and saw that Seveas banned him with the note to look up godwin's law. I attempted to clarify that godwin's law is about nazis/hitler specifically and not facist at which point Seveas banned me 
[11:29] <Seveas> Azzmodan, you're conveniently leaving out a lot of things there. That's not really appreciated by any ops
[11:29] <Azzmodan> Then what am I leaving out?
[11:30] <Seveas> the entire discussion in between in which I warned numerous times that the discussion was offtopic and both offtopicness and second-guessing the ops aren't welcome in there
[11:30] <Azzmodan> This is how the incident occured in my eyes. I tried to ask you why specifically you banned me but you just kept copy pasting the "second guessing / offtopic" line
[11:30] <Seveas> and the fact that the discussion ended after the warnings and before the comments that got you banned
[11:30] <Azzmodan> I was just attempting to clarify the term that you used, it's common internet lingo but probably unfamiliar to many of the people in the channel
[11:31] <Seveas> sigh...
[11:31] <Seveas> that does not change that it's offtopic and that I've warned about that
[11:31] <Azzmodan> You could have just issued a warning, or even have asked me to stop it and I would have disagreed but done that
[11:31] <Azzmodan> You made it ontopic by using the term
[11:31] <Seveas> !ops
[11:31] <ubotu> Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici or Jack_Sparrow!
[11:31] <ubotu> Seveas called the ops in #ubuntu-ops ()
[11:32] <Seveas> can someone explain this to Azzmodan please? He's not understanding me...
[11:32] <Azzmodan> I can understand that you wanted me to drop it, you could have asked or warned. What I do not understand is why you resorted to immediatly banning me
[11:33] <Seveas> Azzmodan, I did issue several warnings. And I'm now gonna issue one in here. Stop lying and start reading what I say
[11:34] <Seveas> jpatrick, your quit messages have too many quotes :p
[11:34] <Azzmodan> You never issued a warning that I saw, or was directed at me. I did saw you ask people to drop the discussion about the person being banned for calling you a facist
[11:35] <jpatrick> Seveas: and the TZ still hasn't updated :P
[11:35] <Seveas> hehe
[11:36] <jpatrick> I'm 7 hours behind..
[11:52] <applewyrm> So how does one deal with having a conflict with an op, and then having this op also ban you from this channel. Should I use that irc-council list email?
[11:59] <jussi01> applewyrm: I would read !guidelines, and follow the instructions there. 
[11:59] <applewyrm> !guidelines
[11:59] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[12:00] <applewyrm> yeah I tried that, but the wiki says that if the outcome of the meeting wasn't successful that then you should email, but there never really was a meeting just the op that I had a problem with banning me claiming that I was lying
[12:01] <applewyrm> I would question the policy that allows the person I had the issue with banning me from this channel but that's for another time
[12:03] <applewyrm> Thanks for the answer at least jussi01, I have to go now but I'll ask again later.
[12:11] <jussi01> Azzmodan ??
[13:00] <ubotu> DRebellion called the ops in #ubuntu (ali)
[13:09] <ompaul> a;;
[13:09] <ompaul> jussi01, most certainly 
[13:11] <jussi01> ompaul: yeah, figured... 
[13:17] <ompaul> yat yet another troll
[14:31] <ubotu> FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[14:32] <jrib> ugh, banlist full
[14:33] <PriceChild> three victims, one forward?
[14:33]  * PriceChild waits to see if it does the rest
[14:33] <PriceChild> monster is on a different nick anyway grr
[14:33] <jrib> PriceChild: banlist is full
[14:33] <PriceChild> okies
[14:34] <PriceChild> i'll clear some of the reaaaaaally old ones
[14:35] <jrib> I can't log into ban tracker... keeps saying I'm trying to login anonymously when I click ubotu's link
[14:36] <jrib> and as soon as I say that, it works...
[14:37] <PriceChild> Seveas, the read-topic bans are removed automatically now
[14:38] <Jack_Sparrow> jrib: I got 90% of crimsuns alsa-info script working in upstreamdev log-modules.. but I may have some questions later on a couple things..
[14:38] <Seveas> I'm removing the jan 21st ones to get some room in the banlist
[14:39] <PriceChild> k
[14:39] <ompaul> jrib, where?
[14:39] <jrib> ompaul: was in #ubuntu
[14:40] <jrib> Jack_Sparrow: sure
[14:40]  * ompaul larts self I was going to do that 
[14:40] <ompaul> last night and instead turned off the computer
[14:43] <PriceChild> That ought to last us a few days.
[14:44] <LjL> agh, *now* banlist full...
[14:44] <LjL> in about an hour, the floodbots would have started removing obsolete forwards
[14:45] <Seveas> LjL, PriceChild and myself played the floodbot game now, emphasis on flood :)
[14:45] <LjL> yeah you unbanned some people who are *currently* in -read-topic though :P
[14:46] <Seveas> hehe
[14:52] <ompaul> I kind of fell down on what I normally do there
[15:08] <ompaul> Seveas, your connection is faster it has to be :)
[15:10] <ompaul> I have pmed that last one
[15:13] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[15:13] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[15:13] <PriceChild> If they're going to do it, why don't they do it in ctcp?
[15:14] <PriceChild> I don't see the advantage in doing it in a normal message?
[15:15] <LjL> PriceChild: because they're stupid?
[15:15] <ompaul> because staff can catcjh them
[15:15] <LjL> staff catches them anyway
[15:15] <ompaul> and they want to let people know they are there and they are trolls of a different sort etc
[15:15] <ompaul> they are l33t trolls :)
[15:16] <PriceChild> jpatrick, was the ban needed? :/
[15:16] <ompaul> and you know what I think of trolls so ehh that has to make for the top 7 ironic statements I am likely to say this year
[15:16] <ompaul> jpatrick, they drop the proxy most of the time so you get pointless bans
[15:17] <jpatrick> ompaul: heh, just in case :p
[15:17] <ompaul> jpatrick, better automation takes care of them
[15:18] <LjL> uh? #kubuntu?
[15:18] <LjL> that wasn't a proxy
[15:18] <ompaul> ahh 
[15:18] <ompaul> not there
[15:18] <jpatrick> :)
[15:18] <LjL> the exploiter in #ubuntu then? i don't see a ban for that one
[15:18] <ompaul> LjL, so sue me I assumed something ;-)
[15:19] <LjL> if nothing shows up when you google it, then it likely is not a proxy :)
[15:19] <ompaul> hehe
[15:35] <ompaul> TiDiaBLoTiN|Busy> comment ca ce fait que sa soit sorti comme ca ? :s || <ompaul> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais. - however you are using a machine based in the US and that channel speaks english - no further comment from our friend
[15:38] <LjL> pauvre petit troll
[15:40] <jpatrick> what a nick tho
[16:20] <ompaul> jpatrick, ?
[16:21] <ompaul> I don't grok the nick
[16:22] <jpatrick> sarcasm..
[16:24] <ompaul> jpatrick, okay
[16:24]  * ompaul fights with "album" -- I am missing something simple and can't see what
=== no0tic_ is now known as no0tic
[17:54] <PriceChild> the unbans have begun
[18:02]  * ompaul cought
[18:02] <ompaul> coughs
=== no0tic_ is now known as no0tic
[18:34] <ompaul> @pi
[18:34] <ompaul> !pi
[18:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pi - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:35] <no0tic> ompaul, pi is 3.14159
[18:35] <Seeker`> pi is 4
[18:35] <nalioth> pie are squared
[18:35] <Seeker`> mmm...square pie
[18:37] <ompaul> Pici, you here?
[18:39] <PriceChild> its an offtopic specific factoid
[19:05] <ompaul> PriceChild, I saw that ;-)
[19:18] <Seveas> fractal wrongness
[19:18] <Seveas>     The state of being wrong at every conceivable scale of resolution. That is, from a distance, a fractally wrong person's worldview is incorrect; and furthermore, if you zoom in on any small part of that person's worldview, that part is just as wrong as the whole worldview.
[19:18] <Seveas>     Debating with a person who is fractally wrong leads to infinite regress, as every refutation you make of that person's opinions will lead to a rejoinder, full of half-truths, leaps of logic, and outright lies, that requires just as much refutation to debunk as the first one. It is as impossible to convince a fractally wrong person of anything as it is to walk around the edge of the Mandelbrot set 
[19:18] <Seveas> in finite time.
[19:18] <Seveas> ompaul, ---^ :)
[19:18] <Seveas> we've seen some of those
[19:23] <ompaul> Seveas, !troll should return that
[19:23] <ompaul> hehe
[19:23] <ompaul> cos they aim to be wrong
[19:23]  * ompaul takes a break 
[20:37] <PriceChild> upgraded to hardy... *reboots*
[20:44] <Seeker`> PriceChild: everything working ok so far with Hardy?
[20:47] <PriceChild> new kernel dumps me into busybox
[20:47] <PriceChild> nautilus is dead
[20:49] <PriceChild> time for a bit of fun :)
[20:49] <Seveas> PriceChild, I've had 3 lockups since upgrading earlier this week
[20:49] <Seveas> and had to revert back from intel to i810 for video
[20:49] <Seveas> and still it's not flaswless
[20:49] <PriceChild> my 945 seems to be working fine...
[20:50] <Seveas> gnome-settings-daemon is crashy
[20:50] <Seveas> killing my compose key and touchpad scroll
[20:50] <PriceChild> j.dong suggested forcing the memory allocation to max to increase performance
[20:50] <Seveas> !jding
[20:50] <ubotu> jdong
[20:51]  * jdong smacks Seveas 
[20:51] <jdong> and PriceChild 
[20:51] <jdong> all 3 ping me
[20:51] <PriceChild> :)
[20:51] <PriceChild> you shouldn't have hilights on stuff like that :P
[20:51] <jdong> PriceChild: did you search up the balls bug I told you for the Xorg option?
[20:52] <PriceChild> jdong, i'm just trying to get nautilus back on its feet first... i don't think it likes generating thumbnails
[20:52] <PriceChild> intel performance seems fine
[20:54] <jdong> aww
[20:54] <jdong> PriceChild: have you turned on compix yet?
[20:55] <PriceChild> yes
[20:55] <PriceChild> notcing lag in compiz scrolling etc.
[20:55] <jdong> PriceChild: and firefox scrolling isn't horribly slow?
[20:55] <PriceChild> whoops
[20:55] <PriceChild> s/compiz/firefox/
[20:55] <jdong> PriceChild: so it is slow
[20:55] <jdong> PriceChild: good, then I'm not crazy
[20:55] <PriceChild> hehe yup
[20:58] <PriceChild> yay nautilus will stay open
[20:58] <jdong> "reopen when ready" XD
[20:58] <PriceChild> jdong, get in #launchpad now
[20:59] <jdong> NO!
[20:59] <jdong> I'm not gonna make a fool out of myself in there too :)
[20:59] <PriceChild> ah having mail-notification installed stopped nautilus upgrading
[20:59] <PriceChild> I liked that tray app :(
[20:59] <PriceChild> jdong, awww please :(
[20:59] <jdong> PriceChild: ROFL
[20:59] <PriceChild> jdong, i won't bash it
[20:59] <jdong> NO
[20:59] <jdong> NEVER
[21:00] <jdong> EVER
[21:00] <jdong> I already appear insane enough :)
[21:01] <PriceChild> ok... now to search for that bug... then after I will try and figure out how to start troubleshooting the not-happenning kernel.
[21:01] <PriceChild> jdong, lol just read the name of the bug
[21:04] <Seveas> PriceChild, in the busybox, look at dmesg and your logs
[21:04] <jdong> PriceChild: gotta love Keybuk
[21:06] <PriceChild> jdong, wow didn't realise how poor it was until doing that!
[21:06] <PriceChild> Seveas, Option "MigrationHeuristic" "greedy" in the device section
[21:06] <jdong> PriceChild: isn't it amazing how much faster it is now?
[21:07] <PriceChild> jdong, its ridiculous... and all that is doing is taking more memory?
[21:07] <jdong> PriceChild: the other alternative is to set accelmethod back to XAA which produces similar gains but also loses XV entirely
[21:07] <jdong> PriceChild: I'm not sure exactly what the downside of the greedy option is
[21:07] <jdong> PriceChild: but whatever it is, I'm not feeling it :)
[21:07] <Seveas> PriceChild, is that with "intel" or "i810" ?
[21:07] <PriceChild> Seveas, intel
[21:08] <Seveas> PriceChild, that crashes for me, I'll stick to i810
[21:08] <PriceChild> jdong, maybe we should look it up.... :)
[21:08] <PriceChild> Seveas, ah okies
[21:08] <jdong> :)
[21:08] <jdong> Seveas: intel still crashes for you?
[21:08] <Seveas> yeah
[21:08] <PriceChild> "this options increases performance one hundred fold but shortens hardware lifetime to 2.3 minutes"
[21:08] <jdong> PriceChild: haha
[21:08] <jdong> PriceChild: that sounds like viagra
[21:08] <Seveas> * PriceChild has quit ("Fire")
[21:08] <PriceChild> jdong, http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/MigrationHeuristic
[21:09] <Seveas> PriceChild, nouveau != intel
[21:09] <PriceChild> Seveas, its talking about exa though... i'm pretty sure it still applies
[21:09] <Seveas> ah yeah
[21:09] <jdong> Seveas: the option probably means similar things though
[21:10] <PriceChild> its talking about "older xorg" so doubt its nouveau specific
[21:11] <ompaul> jdong, you said "appear insane" hmmmm could you tell us why you used those specific words, scratch that, the specific word I would like explained is "appear" ;-)   {actually dude if you knew what I was doing now you would breaking your heart loling so guess what I ain't saying}
[21:11]  * ompaul goes to read man page for cp
[21:11] <ompaul> hahaha
[21:11] <ompaul> just cos I can 
[21:11]  * ompaul rofl
[21:11]  * PriceChild reboots to take a look at dmesg
[21:11] <ompaul> PriceChild, dmesg has a way to write to syslog - doh he is gone ;-)
[21:12] <jdong> ompaul: haha you have no idea what pricey wanted me to ask the LP folks to do
[21:12] <jdong> ompaul: if you knew that, I think you'd question the word "insane" and want a better adjective
[21:14] <ompaul> jdong, well I actually was installing apache and some other stuff and could not understand why mysql connects were failing - ehh no mysql-server installed might have something to do with it
[21:14]  * ompaul wonders why he has been tired all last week and now knows - he should not touch a keyboard about serious work after 5:30 any day of the week :)
[21:14] <ompaul> now I am happy I will install a second box 
[21:15] <jdong> ompaul: oh don't worry, I made a far worse slip up, but I think that to see it without pointing it out requires SUCH a twisted mind that it will escape unnoticed"
[21:15] <ompaul> jdong, next commit can remove the blemish :)
[21:15] <jdong> ompaul: oh no, it's a LP comment :)
[21:16] <jdong> let's hope people ignore their bug mail
[21:17] <ompaul> jdong, you has said it here it is traceable :)
[21:18]  * ompaul goes to do some more install stuff
[21:18] <jdong> ompaul: yes, but nobody with a twisted mind reads this channel :D
[21:18] <ompaul> twisted as in python? ;-)
[21:18] <jdong> :)
[21:18] <jdong> twisted as in, me.
[21:21] <PriceChild> nothing in dmesg that i can see
[21:21] <PriceChild> alt+f1'ing goes to "PANIC: Circular dependencies detected. exiting" :P
[21:27] <Seveas> sigh, that was keyboard/mouse not responding
[21:27] <Seveas> go hardy!
[21:36] <ompaul> PriceChild, best every PANIC was -- Kernel panic - returning to cosmic dust
[21:36] <ompaul> it was during a failed install 
[21:36] <PriceChild> Seveas, nothing in dmesg that i can see. alt+f1'ing gives "PANIC: Circular dependencies detected. Exiting."
[21:36] <PriceChild> ompaul, hehe
[21:39] <PriceChild> I'll think about it tomorrow anyhow.
[22:52] <LjL> hi Omar-C
[22:52] <Omar-C> ok I ran apt-get install xserver-xorg and it didn't download anything cause Im not connected
[22:52] <Omar-C> hi
[22:52] <LjL> so you lock your computer every time you aren't using it?
[22:52] <ompaul> you are not in #ubuntu
[22:53] <ompaul> Omar-C, you were invited here
[22:53] <Omar-C> not my windows one, sorry that was my brother, Im switching between both computers to try and figure out how to fix this problem 
[22:53] <LjL> Omar-C: ah, so you know what happened
[22:53] <LjL> look, we get a *lot* of spam in the channel
[22:54] <LjL> and every time we do, people claim it was "their brother"
[22:54] <LjL> i'm willing to believe it actually was your brother
[22:54] <LjL> but ensure it won't happen again
[22:54] <LjL> because you won't be believed next time, you understand
[22:54] <LjL> !etiquette > Omar-C    (Omar-C, see the private message from Ubotu)
[22:55] <Omar-C> ok sorry, Im just switching between both computers real quick 
[22:55] <ompaul> Omar-C, see we don't really think that people should tell us things and expect us to be really gullible - cos mostly we are not all that young 
[22:55] <Omar-C> anyways back to my problem, I've been working on this problem all day and I still can't figure out what to do, so any help is highly appriciated
[22:55] <LjL> Omar-C: your brother spammed the channel with several lines of text, and it would have been many more if an op hadn't stopped him quickly
[22:56] <LjL> Omar-C, ask about your problem in #ubuntu, this is #ubuntu-ops
[22:56] <ompaul> you can't get into ops atm
[22:56] <ompaul> you can only get here
[22:56] <LjL> opposite actually
[22:56] <ompaul> you can't get into #ubuntu atm
[22:56] <ompaul> should have been what I typed but there ya go
[22:58] <LjL> Omar-C: now that's a no-no
[22:59] <LjL> if we tell you that you currently "can't join", it doesn't mean that you can put on another nickname and join
[22:59] <LjL> it means that we want some feedback from you before letting you join
[22:59] <ompaul> Omar-C, just a minor thing for you think about 
[22:59] <ompaul> Omar-C, now please conversation
[23:00] <ompaul> that was called ban avoidance
[23:00] <ompaul> hmm 
[23:01] <PriceChild> is this nick just about to timeout perhaps?
[23:01] <LjL> PriceChild: you win.
[23:02] <ompaul> welcome
[23:02] <PriceChild> looks so
[23:02] <ompaul> you didn't want to do tthat
[23:02] <LjL> PriceChild: ping says so.
[23:02] <ompaul> that is called ban avoidance
[23:02] <ompaul> and that can get you removed from the server
[23:02] <LjL> well, i think it's called not being registered to the network in this case
[23:02] <ompaul> Ubuntu_Omar, are you reading this?
[23:03] <Ubuntu_Omar> yea
[23:03] <PriceChild> LjL, this one doesn't respond anyway.
[23:03] <ompaul> Ubuntu_Omar, now don't go running off to change your nick again please we want a word
[23:03] <Ubuntu_Omar> I had to change my name cause someone else had it in Ubuntu
[23:03] <ompaul> (a) you were invited 
[23:03] <ompaul> (B) don't take us for fools
[23:03] <LjL> Ubuntu_Omar: it was yourself
[23:04] <ompaul> I am a an IT professional and have been for years I have been in paid employment for over 25 years 
[23:04] <Ubuntu_Omar> Why are you guys treating me like this? Im here just to fix my problem with my new computer thats all
[23:04] <ompaul> so much like LjL I don't like being told 
[23:04] <ompaul> little storys about "my brother" or 
[23:04] <ompaul> someone else had my nick
[23:04] <LjL> Ubuntu_Omar: but meanwhile, someone at your computer spammed our channel pretty badly.
[23:05] <LjL> so excuse us if we want to clear this up.
[23:05] <ompaul> ohh and that
[23:05] <PriceChild> No-one can steal your nick while you use it, without us knowing. Each user has the same nick in every channel. You can't steal a nick in just one channel.
[23:06] <Ubuntu_Omar> ok I tried to join #Ubuntu then it says Omar-C already in use
[23:06] <Ubuntu_Omar> so I had to change ti
[23:06] <Ubuntu_Omar> it*
[23:06] <ompaul> the nick is registered
[23:06] <LjL> Ubuntu_Omar: it was your own connection.
[23:06] <ompaul> * [Omar-C] (n=wolf_sca@bas5-hamilton14-1177898952.dsl.bell.ca): Omar Nassif
[23:06] <ompaul> * [Omar-C] #ubuntu-ops #gentoo #suse 
[23:06] <ompaul> looksk like you to me
[23:07] <ompaul> what do you think?
[23:07] <Ubuntu_Omar> Ok look, Im new to mIRC so I don't really know how to get around here
[23:07] <ompaul> so stop messing about 
[23:07] <Ubuntu_Omar> Im not I just want to fix my Ubuntu problem, and you guys are making a huge deal out of something I already forgot
[23:08] <Ubuntu_Omar> now can we forget about that?
[23:08] <LjL> i'll remind you then
[23:08] <Ubuntu_Omar> ok now how come I can't join #Ubuntu?
[23:08] <Ubuntu_Omar> it says that the address is banned
[23:08] <ompaul> correct
[23:08] <ompaul> you were asked to join here
[23:09] <ompaul> you did not 
[23:09] <ompaul> we ban forwarded you to here
[23:09] <LjL> [23:44:16] <Omar-C> im omar-cp little brother [23:44:21] <Omar-C> not me [23:44:31] <Omar-C> i don't even know how to programs lolz [23:44:34] <Pelo> WGGMk, did you check the theming tutorials ? [23:44:35] <Omar-C> faggs [23:44:42] <Omar-C> s [23:44:42] <Omar-C> s [23:44:43] <Omar-C> s [23:44:44] <Omar-C> s [23:44:45] <Omar-C> s [23:44:45] <Omar-C> s [23:44:46] <Omar-C> s [23:44:48] <Omar-C> s [23:44:49] <Omar-C> s
[23:09] <LjL> Ubuntu_Omar: is it clear enough without further explanation that the above is utterly, completely and totally unacceptable on an IRC support channel?
[23:09] <ompaul> Omar-C, ever one of those > indicates a new line
[23:09] <Ubuntu_Omar> WHAT I honestly did not see that much text
[23:10] <ompaul> well your nick on your computer delivered it
[23:10] <Ubuntu_Omar> ok Im sorry guys 
[23:10] <Ubuntu_Omar> yes that was my brother I had to leave the room to get to my other computer
[23:10] <LjL> Ubuntu_Omar: so you understand that if this even happens again, and you then tell us that it was your brother, next time we will *not* believe that it was your brother, and you will stay banned? this is to say - do lock your computer when it's connected to IRC
[23:11] <LjL> !etiquette > Ubuntu_Omar    (Ubuntu_Omar, see the private message from Ubotu)
[23:11] <ompaul> cos we can't afford the overhead of spammers
[23:11] <Seveas> s/when it's connected to IRC/whenever you leave it/
[23:11] <ompaul> s/can't/won't
[23:12] <Ubuntu_Omar> ok can I go into Ubuntu now?
[23:12] <Ubuntu_Omar> anyways I have to go now
[23:12] <LjL> Ubuntu_Omar: yes. i'm assuming from now on that you are aware of the channel rules, which i made Ubotu send you
[23:12] <ompaul> password protect your account
[23:13] <Ubuntu_Omar> ok thanks
[23:13] <LjL> [00:13:34] <Pelo> howlingmadhowie, technicaly ubuntu can use the debian repos so , add those to the official ubuntu ones
[23:14] <LjL> wth
[23:14] <Seeker`> ewww
[23:14] <no0tic> omg
[23:14] <ompaul> nooo
[23:14] <ompaul> that no nice
[23:14] <Seeker`> "fractally wrong"?
[23:15] <Seveas> iewie
[23:15] <Seveas> kill that pelo