2008/01/21/#ubuntu-mythtv.txt

[01:16] <cmac> good evening all. A quick technical queation if I may?
[01:17] <Tar1> go ahead
[01:17] <Tar1> can't say I'm guaranteed to be any help
[01:18] <cmac> hauppauge WinTV Express, video perfect but no audio.  Previously solved (long time ago) passing arguments to tda9887 module, but that seems to be missing!
[01:19] <Tar1> yeah.. I'm not help
[01:19] <Tar1> *no help
[01:19] <cmac> thanks anyway :)
[01:20] <cmac> running out of options here and don't have a reliable internet connection so standard googling is not a option
[01:20] <cmac> suspect I might have to load the firmware for the card from the installation cd
[01:23] <cmac> can't figure out how to pass arguments to tda9887 because it appears to be merged into the kernle.
[02:03] <prekitt> Question, when I play dvd's the volume is really low, this doesn't happen when I play video files and I dont' know how to adjust the volume for the internal dvd player
[02:04] <prekitt> anyone?
[02:04] <prekitt> what does mythbuntu use for dvd playback?
[02:23] <tgm4883_laptop> prekitt, you can use different programs for dvd playback, for instance, you can use vlc or xine
[03:16] <hansoffate_> hi anyone here?
[03:16] <hansoffate_> I just used the "Optimize Tables" to repair my Mythtv Databases becuase they weren't working
[03:16] <hansoffate_> it fixed most of my problems, but when i click on upcoming recordings through Mythweb, nothing shows up
[03:17] <hansoffate_> also, would it be smart to backup mysql databases regularly?
[03:17] <lime4x4> will a celeron D 2.26 ghz have enough power to run a front end, back end with a pvr 150 tuner code?
[03:18] <prekitt> what's the default one?, I just need to turn up the volume...
[03:19] <hansoffate_> prekitt: default keys to turnup volume?
[03:19] <prekitt> yes..
[03:19] <hansoffate_> i blieve its   "[" for volume down and "]" to turn it up
[03:19] <prekitt> for the default playback app...
[03:19] <prekitt> let me try
[03:20] <prekitt> what is the name of the applications?
[03:20] <hansoffate_> lime4x4: i think so ... although the slowest frontend/backend i have run with a pvr150 was a p4 2.0 ghz
[03:20] <hansoffate_> prekitt:  oh i thought you meant in mythtv,
[03:22] <prekitt> that acutally worked
[03:22] <prekitt> thanks. :)
[03:23] <prekitt> but which application is the app
[03:27] <hansoffate_> prekitt: what app?
[03:27] <hansoffate_> are you tlaking about?
[03:27] <hansoffate_> woot, finally fixed my crashed tables through mysql
[03:27] <hansoffate_> much easier then expected
[03:27] <hansoffate_> I <3 Mythbuntu
[03:49] <lime4x4> so maybe a P4 D dual core cpu would be better then
[03:50] <squish102>  lime4x4, u only playing SD, i wouldnt think it would be a problem.. that pvr150 is also hardware encoded
[03:50] <Aquahallic> anyone using a playstation 2 emulator on mythbuntu?
[03:51] <lime4x4> only sd for right now
[03:52] <Aquahallic> ?
[03:52] <lime4x4> but maybe some hd in a year or so
[03:58] <hansoffate_> lime4x4: for HD content, its recommended to use C2D processors
[03:58] <hansoffate_> i don't think a D would work
[03:59] <squish102> i used to use an amd 64 +3000 as a frontend to play HD content
[04:08] <hansoffate_> squish102  waht about recording hd content?
[04:09] <squish102> hansoffate_, i currently have that chick in my backend with a pvr150 and a HD tuner, when they both recording, my cpu may hit 5%
[04:09] <squish102> wow, i have to not watch tv and type at the same time
[04:11] <hansoffate_> hmm
[04:11] <hansoffate_> interesting
[04:11] <Technobabble> do you absolutely have to have scheduals direct to use this?
[04:12] <hansoffate_> idk, i just know superm1 and tgm recommends C2D when recording HD content
[04:18] <squish102> hansoffate_, u coupld probably use a p3 to record hd content. it needs no cpu as it is just writing the digital stream to disk afaik
[04:18] <squish102> Technobabble, they give u a free trial dont they?
[04:18] <hansoffate_> interesting
[04:18] <Technobabble> not sure, but if they do i'll probably take one
[04:18] <hansoffate_> well heres the man
[04:19] <hansoffate_> tgm4883: what do you recommend to record HD content?
[04:19] <tgm4883> HDHomerun
[04:19] <hansoffate_> i mean processor
[04:19] <tgm4883> ah
[04:19] <tgm4883> 1Ghz
[04:19] <hansoffate_> really?
[04:19] <tgm4883> err,
[04:19] <tgm4883> 1.5Ghz
[04:19] <tgm4883> recording HD is easy
[04:20] <hansoffate_> i thought i asked you before and you said a C2d
[04:20] <tgm4883> it's the playback thats a pain
[04:20] <hansoffate_> ahh, i see
[04:20] <tgm4883> HD is already compressed when it comes in, so it's just a matter of writing to the hard drive
[04:20] <squish102> hansoffate_ now do u believe me?
[04:20] <hansoffate_> hahha, yea
[04:20] <hansoffate_> sorry squish102
[04:20] <squish102> np ;)
[04:21] <tgm4883> any other questions?
[04:21] <tgm4883> I wouldn't get the pentium D processor, as i believe a C2D is a better $/performance ratio
[04:22] <hansoffate_> i had issues with mysql databasees, somehwo the crashed, but i used the optimiaztion/repair in mythbuntu control center, and that fixed most of my problems
[04:22] <tgm4883> also, i *think* I could have done HD on an AMD Athlon XP 2600+ (I only had a 2000+) but I upgraded to an X2 instead
[04:22] <hansoffate_> i see
[04:23] <tgm4883> the 2000+ was just not enough
[04:23] <tgm4883> almost though
[04:23] <tgm4883> with the proper nvidia card that is
[04:23] <hansoffate_> do you run a backup of your mysql datatabses?
=== hansoffate_ is now known as hansoffate-lapto
[04:23] <tgm4883> AFAIK mysql databases get backup automatically
[04:24] <hansoffate-lapto> ahh, awesome
[04:25] <tgm4883> keep in mind though, that it is by default backed up to the same hard drive, so if your hard drive fails you still lose it
[04:25] <hansoffate-lapto> ok, whatever, if my hard drive fails, i'll lose everything anyways.
[04:26] <tgm4883> true, but it is handy to keep things like previously recorded shows and "season passes"
[04:26] <hansoffate-lapto> also, 1 more question, for some reason, my mythmusic isn't recognizing my music anymore .... i have my samba share mounted, i can play it thorugh mplayer, actually even mythweb is able to play my music
[04:26] <hansoffate-lapto> it just doesn't display thoruhg mythmusic through the frontend
[04:26] <tgm4883> errors?
[04:26] <hansoffate-lapto> tgm4883: ahh, yea, good point
[04:27] <hansoffate-lapto> nope, just doens't display anything in "All Music"
[04:27] <hansoffate-lapto> i have it pointed to the right directory
[04:27] <hansoffate-lapto> well i haven't checked the logs ... /var/logs right?
[04:27] <tgm4883> start mythfrontend from the terminal, then try playing it, then check the terminal window for errors
[04:27] <tgm4883> /var/log/mythtv
[04:29] <hansoffate-lapto> ok, wtf, now that i started it through terminal, its working.  whatever im not going to complain.  Thanks tgm4883 .
[04:29] <hansoffate-lapto> now my system is working 100% as it was before it crashed
[04:30] <hansoffate-lapto> i accidently killed the power to it, then when i booted it, there was no EPG and no music was working.  Both are fixed now.
[04:31] <tgm4883> you dont really ever want to kill the power to a linux box
[04:31] <tgm4883> ever
[04:31] <tgm4883> ever ever ever
[04:31] <tgm4883> not even if it locks up
[04:31] <tgm4883> ever ever ever ever ever
[04:31] <tgm4883> i've only had to completely cut power once
[04:31] <tgm4883> it locked up and nothing would bring it back
[04:32] <tgm4883> not even emergency keys
[04:32] <hansoffate-lapto> i didn't mean to, i have my damn box hooked up to an outlet that is controlled by a switch. someone was over and they pressed the switch
[04:32] <tgm4883> open that baby up and hard wire it
[04:32] <tgm4883> and get a battery backup
[04:32] <hansoffate-lapto> i ended up taking off the faceplate and rewiring it so it wouldn't happen again
[04:33] <hansoffate-lapto> yea, i need to get an APC
[04:36] <Aquahallic> anyone played around with mythbuntu and compiz fusion??
[04:36] <Aquahallic> will they even play nice together?
[04:36] <tgm4883> they will
[04:37] <Aquahallic> yeah?
[04:37] <tgm4883> yea kinda
[04:37] <tgm4883> it's not a problem running it
[04:37] <tgm4883> but some settings do cause minor issue
[04:37] <tgm4883> s
[04:37] <Aquahallic> I think that would be SWEET to be able to spin that cube around and have mythtv running on one of the desktops...
[04:38] <Aquahallic> and I'm thinking about snatching one of the Wii remotes and setting it up to control mythtv...:)
[04:38] <Aquahallic> seen some pretty neat homebrew wiimote apps out there
[04:40] <Aquahallic> tgm4883 when you say "Some Settings"... what are you referring to?
[04:41] <tgm4883> actually it's just a little extra setup required
[04:41] <tgm4883> otherwise the panels will show through
[04:42] <Aquahallic> are there any Howtos or anything out there on it?
[04:42] <Aquahallic> ahhh.. you mean the mythfrontend being transparent and you see the other panels??
[04:43] <tgm4883> no, actually it's the frontend not being full screen, it doesn't cover the panels
[04:43] <tgm4883> even though it should in full screen mode
[04:44] <Aquahallic> can some settings be changed to make it cover the entire panel?
[04:44] <Aquahallic> or are you just stuck with it running in a window?
[04:45] <tgm4883> oh yea, it runs fine
[04:45] <tgm4883> it's actually a setting in compiz
[04:46] <tgm4883> dont know the setting off the top of my head though
[04:46] <Aquahallic> can you specify a specific app to run in full screen or do you have to set a specific panel?
[04:48] <tgm4883> it's been so long since I have done it i'm not usre
[04:48] <tgm4883> sure
[04:48] <tgm4883> superm1 would know more though
[04:48] <Aquahallic> ie. can you setup compiz to run a specific app in full screen to cover the panel... or do you have to setup a specific panel to allow mythtv to run fullscreen?
[04:49] <tgm4883> err, neither
[04:49] <tgm4883> basically
[04:51] <tgm4883> AFAIK, mythtv normally covers the panels in full screen, when you run compiz, it changes the way the panels are made and that makes it so mythtv (or any program i think) cannot cover it.  This setting is kinda like a legacy setting, allowing the panels to be covered
[04:51] <tgm4883> thats probably not a really good way to describe it
[04:52] <Aquahallic> no.. that works... I understand now
[04:52] <Aquahallic> ;)
[04:52] <Aquahallic> Thank You very MUCH!
[04:53] <tgm4883> np
[04:53]  * Aquahallic is thinking he's gonna have to try this..:)
[04:53] <Aquahallic> gonna make in image of my frontend FIRST though...:)
[08:12] <hansoffate> is there a way to be able to boot to kde and launch the frontend?
[08:12] <hansoffate> i checked kubuntu
[08:13] <blkorpheus> there is always a way
[08:14] <hansoffate> true, well... i guess a relatively easy way.
[08:14] <blkorpheus> unfortunately it involves reading
[08:14] <hansoffate> rofl, thanks
[08:14] <blkorpheus> np
[08:15] <blkorpheus> my mythtv was added after I built the desktop
[08:16] <blkorpheus> but I suppose you could reverse the process
[08:17] <blkorpheus> its simply a matter of changing the login in kdm
[08:18] <hansoffate> I see. I'll read up on it.  thanks for the help.
[08:45] <DiggThis> has anyone had success with installing ati card in mythbuntu?
[08:50] <DiggThis> anyone?
[09:07] <Seeker`> Is anyone else having problems getting X started this morning?
[09:08] <Seeker`> I get an error: dlopen: /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1: undefined symbol: _nv000042gl
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[16:32] <wek> hallo all  my question is:  use or do not use dvb-epg-data  in the table http://localhost/mythweb/settings/channels? After finishing the table I plan to run mythfilldatabase --manual
[16:44] <wek>  hallo all  my question is:  use or do not use dvb-epg-data  in the table http://localhost/mythweb/settings/channels? After finishing the table I plan to run mythfilldatabase --manual
[16:50] <tgm4883> I suppose it depends on where you are getting your channel data from
[16:58] <Seeker`> I am having problems with glx not loading :(
[17:01] <BastianXGL> oh
[17:03] <Seeker`> I get a message "libglcore undefined symbol _nv(somenumbers)" in my /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[17:03] <cosmic_> hi @ all
[17:06] <cosmic_> Does anyone use the telephone plugin for mythtv ? witch SIP Provider do you use ? is there a possibility to use something like netmeeting ?
[17:07] <BastianXGL> <<< newbee :)
[17:08] <wek> <tgm4883> channel data are to be fetched from www.prisma.de
[17:10] <BastianXGL> i have an athlon with 800mhz, it that ok for mythbuntu ?
[17:13] <tgm4883> BastianXGL, what tuner card?
[17:13] <tgm4883> wek, not sure how you should set it up then, are their instructions on the site?
[17:23] <BastianXGL> ne tuner card !
[17:23] <Seeker`> woo, fixed it
[17:23] <BastianXGL> no
[17:23] <tgm4883> ah
[17:23] <BastianXGL> ich want to play dvd an musik
[17:23] <tgm4883> BastianXGL, yes, an 800mhz machine should work
[17:23] <BastianXGL> ok!
[17:24] <BastianXGL> and if i would buy a tuner card ?
[17:24] <tgm4883> Buy something with a hardware encoder.  A PVR-150 would do very nice in that system
[17:25] <BastianXGL> pvr-150
[17:25] <BastianXGL> i must say, im from germany  ! i know about haupauge
[17:25] <BastianXGL> like nexus !
[17:26] <BastianXGL> but thes card whith hardware encoder are only seld by ebay
[17:27] <tgm4883> ah
[17:27] <tgm4883> are any of the other hauppauge cards sold there?
[17:27] <tgm4883> the pvr cards that is
[17:29] <BastianXGL> what about the Grafig-card ?
[17:29] <BastianXGL> the system ist running whith a ati Rage 3D
[17:29] <tgm4883> well with your low end machine, you shouldn't expect much.
[17:29] <tgm4883> Although that card may be fine
[17:30] <tgm4883> you may want to pluck down a few dollars for a nvidia card
[17:30] <BastianXGL> ok
[17:30] <tgm4883> i'm not sure the exchange rate, but i wouldn't spend more than 20USD on a card for that system
[17:30] <BastianXGL> ok
[17:30] <wek> tgm4883: no instructions found to solve the question:  use or do not use dvb-epg-data ?  maybe I should try the channel Mythtv-users. thanks by
[17:31] <alexvd> tgm4883: this is not strictly mythbuntu related but i get a strange bug in mythweb where when I goto schedule a recording i have to apply it twice before it will work.  Ever seen that one before?
[17:31] <tgm4883> nope
[17:31] <tgm4883> alexvd, always twice?
[17:31] <alexvd> always
[17:31] <tgm4883> or perhaps the backend is being highly used
[17:31] <tgm4883> hmm
[17:31] <tgm4883> backend log errors?
[17:31] <alexvd> backend is very low memory and very low processor
[17:31] <alexvd> i will check but i did not see any
[17:32] <rhpot1991_laptop> maybe the page is reloading before mysql is done?
[17:32] <rhpot1991_laptop> and it catches up on the second time?
[17:32] <BastianXGL> i want to test the system on my computer monitor, if it works fine i would buy a neu grafik and tuner card
[17:32] <alexvd> it only has 256RDRAM and 1ghz coppermine
[17:32] <rhpot1991_laptop> what happens if you just wait and then reload
[17:32] <rhpot1991_laptop> instead of doing it twice?
[17:32] <tgm4883> alexvd, try it once, then wait and open up a recording schedules in a new window
[17:32] <alexvd> i will try that
[17:32] <rhpot1991_laptop> or check the schedule in mythtv itself
[17:33] <cosmic_> BastianXGL:  I am running ubuntu 7.10 + MythTv FRONTEND on an 550 Celeron + 128 MB RAM and it is running fine (watching liveTV, Musilk, Videos) just for info , but ITS only the frontend !!! over
[17:33] <alexvd> Ok hold on a sec. It takes like a while for mythweb to load
[17:34] <alexvd> I wish thier was a way I could pair down the backend and only run the minium services. I only need it to run
[17:34] <BastianXGL> @ cosmic thanks for the info,   my system: AMD Athlon K/7 750mhz+ 650mb Ram 120gb hard drive
[17:35] <BastianXGL> i think the system should be ok
[17:35] <cosmic_> BastianXGL:  I had Ubuntu 6.X + MythTV (Backend+Frontend) running on an AMD Thunderbird 800MHz with 1GB RAM , and it was ok, but not really Supreme if you tried to look LiveTV and record over second TV Card
[17:35] <alexvd> tgm4883: You were right.  I scheduled recording and it did not change mythtv status initially. I refreshed and load and behold it did actually change status properly
[17:36] <cosmic_> BastianXGL:  Nothing to thanks , thats just for info
[17:36] <alexvd> I never saw this before on Knoppmyth
[17:36] <tgm4883> alexvd, sounds good
[17:36] <hansoffate> morning all
[17:36] <cosmic_> hansoffate morning ;)
[17:37] <BastianXGL> which video kard are better, in my desktop system i have an ATI Radeon ?
[17:37] <BastianXGL> is nvidia better for myth ?
[17:37] <rhpot1991_laptop> alexvd: are you mysql tables optimized?
[17:37] <cosmic_> BastianXGL:  I prefer NVidia on Linux
[17:37] <hansoffate> yes
[17:37] <cosmic_> Besserer Treiber support
[17:38] <cosmic_> Better supported Drivers
[17:38] <alexvd> tgm4883: Is thier a guide or tutorial for running the masterbackend with the minimum services.  I have 5 capture cards, pchdtv and 2 pvr-250 and 4 hardrives in the box. I only use it to do recording.  No frontend and I do the transcodding and flaggin on the slave.  It only has 256Rdram and 1ghz processor
[17:38] <hansoffate> yea, i agree with cosmic
[17:38] <BastianXGL> mhhmpf
[17:38] <alexvd> rhpot1991_laptop: I have selected that yes.
[17:38] <BastianXGL> the Radeon on my desktop are very easy to configure
[17:38] <rhpot1991_laptop> alexvd: you can prob move the apache stuff to the slave and just point it at the mysql on the master backend
[17:38] <cosmic_> I am using a Nvidia MX 440 Card with 64 MB Ram , and it works fine ;)
[17:39] <tgm4883> alexvd, did you do a mythbuntu backend only install?
[17:39] <alexvd> tgm4883:yes
[17:39] <hansoffate> i got a 30 dollar nvidia fanless 7300 off of newegg
[17:39] <rhpot1991_laptop> hansoffate: an asus one?
[17:40] <alexvd> tgm4883: So i would disable the mythweb on the backend and then enable that on the slave backend?
[17:40] <BastianXGL> i need a card with AGP Connektion
[17:40] <tgm4883> alexvd, no, that would do nothing
[17:40] <cosmic_> My Card is available on ebay.de in a better Version (More Ram / Better Mhz) for something about 20 - 30 EUROS
[17:40] <rhpot1991_laptop> it would move the apache load
[17:40] <alexvd> thats what i figured. I need to move apache
[17:40] <rhpot1991_laptop> he would need to have apache working there
[17:40] <tgm4883> rhpot1991_laptop, you would have to more than just move mythweb
[17:40] <hansoffate> rhpot1991_laptop   na, its an MSI.  Its actually 20 dollars after Mail in Rebate
[17:41] <tgm4883> plus, i believe that the mysql load is larger
[17:41] <rhpot1991_laptop> and config mythweb to point at the other computer for mysql
[17:41] <rhpot1991_laptop> ya I'm sure it is
[17:41] <tgm4883> well, configure the entire backend to the other server for mysql
[17:41] <rhpot1991_laptop> but I don't think he would want to move that
[17:41] <tgm4883> i've heard about it being done
[17:41] <rhpot1991_laptop> unless he wants to switch the slave to the master and the master to the slave
[17:42] <rhpot1991_laptop> which might make sense if he is having a slowdown
[17:42] <alexvd> I have thought of getting more memory but I have read that Issac and the other devs run backends with 256memory.  ALso rdram is expensive.  I can record 3 atsc shows and watch in 1920x1080i at the same time. with some studdering occasionally which i think is from comflagging
[17:42] <tgm4883> alexvd, are you just wanting to do this because of the scheduled program issue?
[17:42] <rhpot1991_laptop> moving mysql would give you a nice bottlneck with your network though
[17:42] <tgm4883> commflagging is pretty intense
[17:43] <tgm4883> maybe move that to a different machine
[17:43] <rhpot1991_laptop> ya it is
[17:43] <rhpot1991_laptop> I thought he said it was running on the slave?
[17:43] <alexvd> well that runs on the slave which is 3.2 ghz dual core with 1gig
[17:43] <rhpot1991_laptop> " No frontend and I do the transcodding and flaggin on the slave."
[17:43] <tgm4883> ah
[17:43] <rhpot1991_laptop> why no just make that your master?
[17:43] <tgm4883> didn't see
[17:43] <rhpot1991_laptop> and the other the slave?
[17:44] <rhpot1991_laptop> you can split cards between them if thats the issue
[17:44] <alexvd> master has 4 hard drives in it
[17:44] <rhpot1991_laptop> you can split storage too
[17:44] <alexvd> initially it was the cards
[17:44] <tgm4883> also make sure that it is in fact disabled
[17:44] <rhpot1991_laptop> have each box store its own stuff
[17:44] <tgm4883> you can record over the network
[17:44] <rhpot1991_laptop> ya or that
[17:44] <rhpot1991_laptop> nfs share it up
[17:44] <alexvd> I originally wanted to do nfs with storage groups
[17:44] <rhpot1991_laptop> I have 2 backends, each record to themselves
[17:45] <rhpot1991_laptop> and then I make them only run jobs on their own recordings
[17:45] <alexvd> yeah I wanted to have the storage on the backend originally and nfs mount it to all other boxes
[17:45] <alexvd> i have xboxes and mediamvp
[17:46] <alexvd> right now I am allowing the slave to have storage and record locally
[17:46] <rhpot1991_laptop> thats what I do
[17:47] <alexvd> I tgm4883: when you said make sure it is in fact disabled what di dyou mean?
[17:47] <rhpot1991_laptop> just gotta watch that they don't try to run transcoding on the other box's recordings
[17:47] <rhpot1991_laptop> there is a checkbox in mythtv-setup to disable/enable commflagging on the backend you run it on
[17:47] <tgm4883> well i believe that it is enabled by default, so you should run mythtv-setup on your slower machine and make sure that it is unchecked
[17:47] <alexvd> I am going to add another terabyte to the slave and use storage groups
[17:48] <alexvd> tgm4883: yes I disabled comflagging and transcoding on the slower master backend
[17:48] <tgm4883> wtf
[17:48] <alexvd> So it sounds like the best way to do it is just move storage over to the slave.
[17:48] <tgm4883> my backend is all screwed up
[17:49] <rhpot1991_laptop> alexvd: storage groups are only available on svn currently IIRC
[17:49] <rhpot1991_laptop> gotta go with LVM if you want any sort of mass storage
[17:49] <alexvd> yep thats why i am not running it
[17:49] <rhpot1991_laptop> which I don't think works across networks
[17:49] <alexvd> i could run SVN but i use this for production
[17:50] <tgm4883> alexvd, how well does the mediamvp work with mythtv?
[17:50] <alexvd> well livetv is pretty borked.  it only allows for mpeg2, it cant only real watch recording.
[17:50] <cosmic_> BastianXGL:  still there ?
[17:51] <alexvd> also its only for SD
[17:51] <rhpot1991_laptop> it just grabs mpeg2 over a samba share right?
[17:51] <tgm4883> k
[17:51] <BastianXGL> joop
[17:51] <alexvd> xbmc does that
[17:51] <tgm4883> yep
[17:51] <rhpot1991_laptop> me and tgm4883 have working xbmc mythtv setups
[17:52] <rhpot1991_laptop> I say meh to it
[17:52] <tgm4883> well, except for live tv
[17:52] <alexvd> i fubar my xbox and i have to figure out how to do hotswap
[17:52] <cosmic_> why doent you try out installing Ubuntu-server installing gnome package but not gnome-ubuntu , and then installing the HAMSTER packages from hamster.net !?!?! Try it out ;)
[17:52] <tgm4883> alexvd, are you running mvpmc?
[17:53] <BastianXGL> i´m already installing die mythbuntu from live cd
[17:53] <alexvd> tgm4883: i have a problem with the dhcp request with my router.  They want you to run dhcp on the server and then serve up the tftp.  Had it working on the knoppmyt just as test
[17:53] <alexvd> tgm4883: i do have one of the older ones
[17:53] <tgm4883> cosmic_, what?
[17:54] <cosmic_> sorry ?
[17:55] <alexvd> I have a question how the heck do you install the latest nvidia driver 169.07 in mythbuntu.  Normally i would use the nvidia installer script for binary, but i was told that would screw up mythbuntu.  The glx new driver has a bug in it.
[17:55] <cosmic_> tgm4883: what do you mean ?
[17:56] <tgm4883> <cosmic_> why doent you try out installing Ubuntu-server installing gnome package but not gnome-ubuntu , and then installing the HAMSTER packages from hamster.net !?!?! Try it out ;)
[17:57] <cosmic_> where is the problem ? , it should be nice meant hint ... whats wrong about that ?
[17:57] <cosmic_> by the way , sorry for my english @ all
[17:59]  * tgm4883 wonders why we have voice now?
[17:59] <superm1> ChanServ likes us
[17:59] <cosmic_> tgm4883:  i mean for my english grammar and writing
[18:00] <alexvd> tgm4883: is their away to install the nvidia binary 169.07 driver in mythbuntu without breaking stuff. I cant use the one in glx-new because of the opengl bug
[18:00] <tgm4883> superm1, do you know why mythfilldatabase would want to run in the past?
[18:00] <alexvd> BTW If i get my mvp working with mythbuntu I will share the instructions with all
[18:00] <superm1> in the past?
[18:01] <superm1> tgm4883, you can't change the past
[18:01] <tgm4883> Suggested next mythfilldatabase run: 2008-01-15 14:46.
[18:01] <superm1> check the date?
[18:01] <superm1> of the comp
[18:01] <tgm4883> sec
[18:01] <rhpot1991_laptop> did it miss a run?
[18:01] <rhpot1991_laptop> I think thats just pulled from a db field
[18:02] <tgm4883> thomas@myrtle:~$ date
[18:02] <tgm4883> Mon Jan 21 10:04:12 PST 2008
[18:02] <tgm4883> thomas@myrtle:~$
[18:02] <tgm4883> seems right to me
[18:02] <superm1> that's funny, i thought today was 2007-12-27?
[18:02] <rhpot1991_laptop> when was the last run?
[18:02] <tgm4883> basically, mythfilldatabase hasn't run by itself in awhile
[18:03] <tgm4883> Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2008-01-14 21:48 and ended on 2008-01-14 21:49. Successful.
[18:03] <rhpot1991_laptop> thats prob why
[18:03] <rhpot1991_laptop> run it by hand it it will prob change that to tomorrow
[18:03] <tgm4883> the last run was by hand
[18:03] <tgm4883> i'll run it by hand again and see if it changes
[18:04] <tgm4883> but i wont be able to run it for an hour
[18:07] <alexvd> superm1: you are the developer for this right?  Can you tell me how you would install the nvidia 169.07 driver ?
[18:08] <superm1> alexvd, you should be able to just follow the standard directions for installing a (newer) nvidia driver than is shipped
[18:08] <superm1> nothing is different than on ubuntu's install
[18:08] <superm1> that would affect it
[18:08] <alexvd> superm1: i thought that using the nvidia installer would somehow mess up ubuntu?
[18:09] <superm1> alexvd, everything it does can be cleaned up
[18:09] <superm1> there are wiki pages out there detailing the proper way to do it so that it wont conflict
[18:09] <superm1> (basically it goes into modifying a file in /etc so that it doesn't conflict)
[18:09] <alexvd> superm1: so you should I use the installer or is thier a specific way for ubuntu
[18:09] <alexvd> ok
[18:09] <alexvd> superm1: i will search thanks
[18:10] <superm1> alexvd, sorry, i dont have any wiki pages handy otherwise i'd point you at one
[18:10] <alexvd> superm1: i can search its no issue
[18:40] <Diabolic> I get this error during install of mythbuntu: http://nilsarne.brodal.org/installer-crashed.png . Used guided partition for entire drive.
[18:44] <superm1> Diabolic, you'll have to pastebin the installer log
[18:44] <superm1> and what options you were using
[18:46] <Diabolic> superm1: The syslog?
[18:46] <superm1> /var/log/syslog
[18:48] <Diabolic> superm1: http://nilsarne.brodal.org/syslog
[18:48] <superm1> looks like you are connecting to a remote master backend
[18:48] <superm1> and you didn't verify the connection via the "Test Connection" button
[18:48] <Diabolic> I just set it up as frontend.
[18:49] <Diabolic> I don't intend to connect it to any backend either.
[18:49] <superm1> well even if the backend isn't recording anything, a backend has to be installed somewhere
[18:49] <Diabolic> Oh, ok.  My bad.
[18:49] <superm1> so you'll need to do a masterbackend/frontend install then
[18:49] <superm1> and just dont choose any tuners
[18:55] <Diabolic> superm1: "Primary Backend W/ Frontend"?
[18:55] <superm1> Diabolic, yeah
[18:55] <superm1> ( the default installation would have been sufficient for you - that's what it is )
[19:05] <MythbuntuGuest17> Hello
[19:05] <Diabolic> superm1: Are there anything I should change in the setup after install is done?  I'm just gonna use it to play video files.
[19:07] <superm1> Diabolic, not really.  just make sure you walk through the "general" page of mythtv-setup
[19:07] <superm1> and you'll be fine
[19:07] <Diabolic> superm1: I should just leave the IP-addresses and ports as it is?
[19:08] <superm1> as long as you aren't changing anything yeah
[19:08] <Viaken> To avoid NetworkManager asking for the keychain password on connect, should I disable it and use Gnome's Network configuration dialog?
[19:09] <MythbuntuGuest17> I have installed according to instuctions several times over the weekend...Every time I finish It says MySql is not working. I can not find anywhere in the manual about setting up MySql...Am I missing something?
[19:09] <superm1> there is a libpam-keyring package
[19:09] <superm1> or something similar
[19:09] <superm1> that is in apt to prevent that
[19:10] <Viaken> aighty
[19:10] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest17, how are you installing?
[19:10] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest17, from CD, apt?
[19:10] <MythbuntuGuest17> cd
[19:14] <superm1> so what says mysql isn't working?
[19:14] <superm1> and when
[19:15] <MythbuntuGuest17> When I am finished with the install and the first reboot is required...I go into the backend setup I get the error.\
[19:20] <MythbuntuGuest17> Is there anywhere I can get pay-for-fee support to get this up and running...I am really stuck and want to get this working.
[19:21] <tgm4883> eh, i'll just edit the script
[19:21] <Daviey> MythbuntuGuest17: what country, area?
[19:22] <superm1> edit which script?
[19:22] <MythbuntuGuest17> kansas city
[19:22] <Daviey> might be worth trying a lug :)
[19:22] <Daviey> owww, erm
[19:22] <Daviey> one of the devs lives in kansas iirc
[19:23] <MythbuntuGuest17> Ok....Ill be gald to pay for support if he / she is willing
[19:28] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest17, generally no one here asks for money in this channel
[19:29] <superm1> its just to help one another
[19:29] <superm1> i missed the details of the issue
[19:29] <superm1> when i lost my connection
[19:29] <superm1> would you mind reposting it?
[19:29] <MythbuntuGuest17> well due to my schedule,,,and timeconstraints...it is tight..
[19:30] <MythbuntuGuest17> Ok if you have a few min can we start over?
[19:30] <MythbuntuGuest17> I have a very basic question first...from all my reading
[19:30] <superm1> sure go ahead
[19:30] <MythbuntuGuest17> I have a FreeNas Server in my basement...that contains media files both video and trnascribed dvds
[19:31] <MythbuntuGuest17> I want to use Myth to play on home network
[19:31] <MythbuntuGuest17> I have several DTV HD DVRS...so I do not need pvr capabilities
[19:31] <MythbuntuGuest17> Is is possible to use the Myth frontend to just playback from the NAS?
[19:32] <MythbuntuGuest17> and is is possible without a backend ?
[19:32] <superm1> well
[19:32] <superm1> you need to do regular install
[19:32] <superm1> that has the backend installed
[19:32] <MythbuntuGuest17> ok
[19:32] <superm1> but you dont need to necessarily set up tuners
[19:32] <MythbuntuGuest17> right
[19:32] <superm1> so if you haven't been doing your installs as normal installs
[19:32] <superm1> that's your issue
[19:32] <superm1> but what you are looking to achieve is quite feasible
[19:32] <MythbuntuGuest17> well I have even tired a normal install
[19:33] <MythbuntuGuest17> good
[19:33] <superm1> when you do the normal install you still have to walk through all of the regular steps in mythtv-setup
[19:33] <superm1> even though you dont have tuners
[19:33] <MythbuntuGuest17> and the backend will access the nas?
[19:33] <MythbuntuGuest17> as storage?
[19:33] <superm1> the frontend will actually
[19:34] <superm1> since you aren't using it for recording at all
[19:34] <superm1> you'll just need to setup a mount point for the nas
[19:34] <superm1> on this box
[19:34] <MythbuntuGuest17> So why even configure the backend...what is the rub  ??
[19:34] <superm1> its a client-server architecture
[19:34] <MythbuntuGuest17> got you
[19:34] <superm1> you need the backend running for it to work
[19:35] <MythbuntuGuest17> Ill go thru the normal install again and keep this chat open...
[19:35] <Diabolic> Now it's just a matter of fixing the overscan.
[19:35] <MythbuntuGuest17> hopefully once if fails...(if it fails again) Ill post a question again.
[19:36] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest17, you were under the same impression as Diabolic it sounds
[19:36] <superm1> both of you were looking to achieve the same result
[19:36] <Diabolic> :)
[19:36] <Diabolic> superm1: You got any experience with overscan, while we're at it? :)
[19:37] <superm1> Diabolic, look in the nvidia configuration tool in mcc
[19:37] <superm1> you can make some changes there
[19:37] <Diabolic> mcc?
[19:37] <MythbuntuGuest17> should I configure unique ip address now or set up local host to begin with?
[19:37] <superm1> Diabolic, mythbuntu-control-centere
[19:37] <superm1> *centre
[19:37] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest17, do it local
[19:37] <superm1> you'll make things more complex otherwise
[19:37] <Diabolic> superm1: That should work with the nv driver?
[19:37] <MythbuntuGuest17> k
[19:37] <superm1> Diabolic, no
[19:37] <superm1> you need the binary driver installed
[19:38] <Diabolic> k
[19:38] <Diabolic> Then I gotta try to install it with the overscan present :))
[19:38] <MythbuntuGuest17> superml....are you the Kansas resident?
[19:39] <Viaken> My head hurts. This isn't the easiest project I've ever done. :P
[19:39] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest17, no i'm not
[19:40] <Viaken> My STB won't respond to commands, I had a lot of trouble getting the IR reciever to work, and now my TV input's not working...
[19:41] <MythbuntuGuest17> I bought a solidstate HardDrive 2gigbytes...is that large enough for a front/back install in this situation?
[19:42] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest17, yeah
[19:42] <superm1> you can get away with ~1 gig
[19:43] <MythbuntuGuest17> great...trying to keep it quiet
[19:44] <MythbuntuGuest17> So since I do not want to use as pvr I can deselect the backend drivers?
[19:45] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest17, won't hurt one way or another
[19:50] <Diabolic> superm1: So, nvidia driver installed.  What should I be looking into at the mcc?
[19:54] <MythbuntuGuest17> Ok the load has completed...and I am at the point where I can do one of 3 things....open Schedules Direct, launch MythTV Setup or finish...which would you suggest?
[19:55] <superm1> like i said before, you need to run mythtv setup
[19:55] <superm1> Diabolic, there is a button for nvidia configuration utility
[19:56] <MythbuntuGuest17> will do
[20:01] <MythbuntuGuest17> Superml...If I understood you...I should just take defaults to start with...correct? IE Directory to hold recordings
[20:06] <MythbuntuGuest17> I am getting a message to run mythfilldatabase....I have never seen an option to run this anywhere...can you  elaborate?
[20:06] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest17, you dont need to
[20:06] <superm1> since you dont have guide data
[20:06] <MythbuntuGuest17> ok where do you suggest I skip to?
[20:06] <superm1> that's it
[20:06] <superm1> it should be done
[20:07] <superm1> you can hit the reboot button at the dialog
[20:07] <MythbuntuGuest17> the "finish" button?
[20:07] <superm1> yeah
[20:07] <MythbuntuGuest17> thx
[20:08] <Diabolic> superm1: Yes, I know.  But I have no idea what to do in there.
[20:08] <superm1> Diabolic, there is a slider to adjust overscan (only if you are using svideo or composite out though)
[20:09] <Diabolic> superm1: I'm using DVI->HDMI
[20:09] <superm1> Diabolic, then you dont have options for overscan
[20:09] <superm1> adjust them on your tv (if it supports it)
[20:09] <Diabolic> superm1: So, I'm all fucked then?
[20:10] <superm1> Diabolic, this is one of those things i get on a soap box about alot
[20:10]  * superm1 gets up on top
[20:10] <superm1> okay so here is the deal
[20:10] <superm1> the implementation of dvi allows for overscan
[20:10] <superm1> at least in TVs
[20:11] <superm1> computer monitors have more strict requirements, but for TVs the dvi port (or hdmi) was intended to be used with say a blu ray
[20:11] <superm1> or set top box
[20:11] <superm1> which put overscan into their content
[20:11] <superm1> if your tv has a vga port, typically the vga port will give you full resolution
[20:11] <superm1> because it is intended to be used with a PC
[20:11]  * superm1 gets back down
[20:12] <Diabolic> So, I should switch to VGA?
[20:12] <superm1> if you have it available yes
[20:12] <superm1> i went through the same problem with my tv
[20:12] <Diabolic> I do.
[20:12] <Diabolic> k
[20:12] <Diabolic> *sigh*
[20:12]  * Diabolic surrenders.
[20:12] <superm1> so i've got a 20 dollar DVI-HDMI cable sitting around that i never returned, but i'm quite happy with VGA
[20:12] <MythbuntuGuest17> ok super...I have rebooted...and I need to attach to my NAS server now?
[20:13] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest17, yeah you'll need to mount it using cifs or smbfs
[20:13] <superm1> to /var/lib/mythtv/videos
[20:13] <MythbuntuGuest17> k
[20:13] <MythbuntuGuest17> go to mmc and terminal window to do so ...I would assume?
[20:13] <superm1> you can do it there or via ssh
[20:15] <MythbuntuGuest17> On thing you should know here.....
[20:15] <MythbuntuGuest17> I have a raid0 for video and a single harddrive for music...
[20:15] <superm1> well i'm assuming you have your NAS already exporting that to a cifs or smbfs share
[20:15] <superm1> or nfs share
[20:15] <superm1> or something similar
[20:15] <MythbuntuGuest17> yes cifs
[20:15] <superm1> then don't worry about it
[20:16] <MythbuntuGuest17> ok
[20:16] <superm1> you can mount the shares however you need to
[20:16] <MythbuntuGuest17> I know enough linux to screw it all up
[20:17] <superm1> well get the mount command right, and once you do you can add it to your fstab, you won't screw anything up that way
[20:17] <MythbuntuGuest17> ok im in that directory
[20:17] <MythbuntuGuest17> seems to be empty
[20:18] <superm1> exactly
[20:18] <superm1> you need to mount it with cifs
[20:18] <MythbuntuGuest17> that is beyond my knowledge base
[20:19] <superm1> http://linux.die.net/man/8/mount.cifs
[20:19] <superm1> that explains how to use it
[20:19] <MythbuntuGuest17> thanks
[20:19] <MythbuntuGuest17> I shall return
[20:20] <MythbuntuGuest39> Hi guys, is it OK to discuss mythtv-setup script here?
[20:20] <rhpot1991_laptop> MythbuntuGuest17: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[20:21] <superm1> that's a much better link :)
[20:21] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest39, you have a problem with it?
[20:21] <MythbuntuGuest39> just a small issue: mythfilldatabase seems to be run before mythbackend is started
[20:22] <superm1> does the order really matter ?
[20:22] <rhpot1991_laptop> superm1: best to put that stuff in fstab IMO
[20:22] <rinaldi_> hey i installed mythbuntu a while ago. I've got a hauppuage dvb card and ir remote. i enabled the remote from the control centre but i can only use the directional buttons and the OK button. is there any other way of mapping all the other buttons? eg record/ channel up/ guide...
[20:22] <superm1> rhpot1991_laptop, yeah i agree, but he should get it right before putting it in there so as to not fsck things up
[20:22] <rhpot1991_laptop> ya prob a good idea
[20:23] <MythbuntuGuest39> umm, mythfilldatabase tries to talk to mythbackend and retries if it is not running
[20:23] <rhpot1991_laptop> mythfilldatabase writes to mysql
[20:23] <rhpot1991_laptop> doesn't need the backend running
[20:24] <MythbuntuGuest39> I have set it so it retries 5 times after 5 seconds each - equals 2x25 seconds waiting for mythfill to finish
[20:24] <superm1> but MythbuntuGuest39 is right it does try to contact mythbackend
[20:25] <superm1> that's easy enough to change
[20:25] <superm1> and sensible enough
[20:25] <superm1> i'll commit a change for it
[20:25] <MythbuntuGuest39> I had it changed, worked OK for me :)
[20:25] <MythbuntuGuest39> until next update...
[20:25] <rhpot1991_laptop> hmmm my bad
[20:26] <MythbuntuGuest39> Thanks a lot superml!
[20:26] <superm1> no prob
=== JThundley_ is now known as JThundley
[20:31] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest39, if you are on hardy, the update will show up in a few days.  if you are on gutsy, it will be on next week's weekly builds (if you use them)
[20:33] <MythbuntuGuest39> I'm on gutsy & weekly builds, I'll use my unofficial patch in the meantime :)  Thanks!
[20:33] <rhpot1991_laptop> superm1: did that constant updating thing ever get fixed?
[20:34] <superm1> rhpot1991_laptop, it should be fixed in the next launchpad release
[20:34] <superm1> they committed a fix for it
[20:34] <rhpot1991_laptop> how often does that happen?
[20:34] <superm1> beats me
[20:34] <rhpot1991_laptop> I'm assuming someone will comment in the bug report when it rolls out
[20:34] <rhpot1991_laptop> I am subscribed to that
[20:35] <superm1> yeah if you have been watching, it's been set to "Fix Committed"
[20:35] <superm1> meaning that its on staging.lp.net
[20:35] <superm1> right now
[20:35] <superm1> and will be copied over on the next lp release
[20:37] <rhpot1991_laptop> let me check and make sure I am subscribed to the right one
[20:39] <kjetil_> funny, my X just stopped working on me. /var/log/Xorg.0.log has last modification last night, even though I've restarted the box many times
[20:40] <rhpot1991_laptop> ya, its the right one, fix committed
[20:40] <kjetil_> and syslog says
[20:40] <kjetil_> Jan 21 21:34:28 tigger gdm[5656]: CRITICAL: gdm_config_value_get_bool: assertion `value->type == GDM_CONFIG_VALUE_BOOL' failed
[20:40] <superm1> kjetil_, see if the drive is filled
[20:41] <kjetil_> superm1: nope
[20:41] <kjetil_> it would be surprising, a brand new 500 GB :-)
[20:41] <superm1> check /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old?
[20:41] <kjetil_> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 24263 2008-01-11 18:47 /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
[20:41] <kjetil_> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 24294 2008-01-20 19:46 /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[20:41] <superm1> well that's odd.
[20:41]  * kjetil_ nods
=== kjetil_ is now known as KjetilK
[20:43] <KjetilK> seems like gdm has a problem reading my config
[20:43] <KjetilK> which I don't think I've ever modified
[20:59] <MythbuntuGuest17> hello superml....Think I have the mnt down now
[21:00] <MythbuntuGuest17> do I just test by trying to run a video? or is there more setup?
[21:02] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest17, once its mounted, then go into mythvideo settinsg
[21:02] <superm1> and you can have it refresh the list of videos available
[21:05] <MythbuntuGuest17> guess Ill have to play with the file share a bit...doesnt find the files...
[21:06] <MythbuntuGuest17> is that all once I have this working? Am I finished?
[21:07] <superm1> yeah
[21:07] <MythbuntuGuest17> Thanks so much...I guess I was tring to make more out of it with the database and all
[21:07] <MythbuntuGuest17> appreciat the help
[21:08] <superm1> no prob
[21:16] <MythbuntuGuest17> super one last general question....
[21:17] <MythbuntuGuest17> when I leave the main Myth screen and go to mmc...when I go back to the menu I only get a blue screen...how do I get the menus back?
[21:17] <superm1> hit esc
[21:17] <MythbuntuGuest17> thanks
[21:18] <MythbuntuGuest17> esc doesnt work...only the bluebackground
[21:21] <pdragon> anyone recommend a cheap soundcard with SPDIF output that is known to work in Ubuntu/Mythtv?
[21:21] <superm1> oh you have to close mcc
[21:21] <MythbuntuGuest17> ill give it a try
[21:21] <superm1> sorry
[21:21] <superm1> pdragon, the SB 24 bit ones worked for me
[21:22] <superm1> i spent i think 25-30 on mine
[21:42] <pdragon> hmm... can't find any SB ones with an SPDIF port on newegg
[21:42] <pdragon> do the turtlebeach ones work?
[21:42] <pdragon> or there are SB ones, but they're the super high end ones
[21:44] <superm1> don't know about any other ones
[21:45] <pdragon> guess i should say SPDIF optical audio.
[21:46] <pdragon> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102012   that one says SPDIF, but doesn't have the optical jack
[21:51] <pdragon> gotta head out. will bug ya more some other time. thanks!
[22:23] <MythbuntuGuest17> is superml still here?
[23:51] <lime4x4> would a dual core 1.6 be able to handle a front-end and backend mythbuntu box?
[23:57] <portahex> for SD, definitely