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=== rdieter is now known as rdieter_afk [01:10] * stdin gives up and heads to bed [02:05] <nixternal> KDE 4 stalls at 2.6MB downloaded during downloading...now that is annoying... [02:05] <nixternal> apachelogger_: fix that ^^ :p [02:05] * nixternal goes and watches a movie [02:07] <apachelogger_> lol [02:07] <apachelogger_> nixternal: that bug appears totally random and is around for ever [02:07] <apachelogger_> hm [02:07] <apachelogger_> cool [02:07] <apachelogger_> I broke kdm again [02:09] <apachelogger_> woohoo [02:09] <apachelogger_> that ain't logical [02:09] <apachelogger_> stuff breaks without touching it [02:09] <apachelogger_> lovely [02:09] * apachelogger_ goes to bad [02:09] <apachelogger_> ah [02:10] <apachelogger_> first some karma for kdm [02:10] <apachelogger_> nini [02:10] <Nightrose> nini apachelogger_ [02:10] <Nightrose> :) [02:31] * claydoh uploaded his first package to his ppa [02:31] * claydoh crosses fingers.... [03:13] <raw> Hi, where's the custom session in kdm gone? === \sh is now known as \sh_away === uga_ is now known as uga === Faed is now known as Fade === \sh_away is now known as \sh [09:38] <mornfall> Ghaa! [10:01] <mornfall> Hi, anyone willing to do a little testing for me? : - ). [10:06] <emonkey> -v [10:07] <mornfall> I am preparing packages for adept 3.0~alpha1. But there are some issues... [10:07] <mornfall> First, I am on debian sid, so they may need to be rebuilt for (k)ubuntu. [10:08] <mornfall> Second, they are not built yet, so give me a few minutes. [10:15] <Lure> mornfall: you can upload them to ppa [10:15] <mornfall> No idea what ppa is. [10:15] <emonkey> mornfall, Unfortunately I've to go in a few minutes ... [10:16] <mornfall> And then, I have no way to build on (k)ubuntu myself. [10:16] <mornfall> Maybe if someone is willing to rebuild it and upload there, that would be good. [10:16] <Lure> Your personal package archive: if you have LP account, you have PPA too and can easily build for any version of ubuntu [10:17] <emonkey> PPA is something like the suse build service [10:17] <Lure> mornfall: I can also upload to my ppa if you want [10:17] <mornfall> Interesting. [10:17] <mornfall> Give me a minute. [10:17] <Lure> will be back in cca 1 hour or so (need to get to playground with may daughter) [10:18] <Lure> mornfall: it is really easy to enable and use: https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart [10:20] <mornfall> Let me see. [10:38] <mornfall> http://anna.fi.muni.cz/~xrockai/adept-3-deb/ [10:38] <mornfall> Going to try the PPA thingy. [10:56] <mornfall> Anyone, what suite should these go to? I have kdelibs5-dev in builddepends. [11:44] <Lure> mornfall: did you manage to do it with ppa? [11:44] <mornfall> Lure: Not yet, I just tried to upload again. [11:44] <mornfall> The first got rejected because they have unstable in changelog. [11:44] <Lure> mornfall: yep, just put hardy [11:48] <mornfall> PPA uploads must be signed by an 'ubuntero'. [11:48] <mornfall> (Rejected therefore.) [11:48] <Lure> mornfall: yep, you need to sign Ubuntu Code of Conduct [11:48] <mornfall> Ergh. [11:48] <Lure> mornfall: will try to upload to my ppa [11:49] <Lure> mornfall: so libept and adept3.0? [11:49] <mornfall> Lure: All that's in that url -- they build-depend in a chain. [11:50] <mornfall> Lure: Also, if apt-xapian-index (from Debian) is not in ubuntu, it is required for runtime. [11:55] * Sime has managed to apply the "show apps from current desktop only in the taskbar" feature from KDE's SVN to 4.0.0, and it works. [11:56] <Lure> mornfall: apt-xapian-index is version 0.4 in hardy, so probably ok [11:56] <mornfall> Great. [11:56] <Lure> Sime: please send patch to apachelogger__... (would like to have this even if break i18n freeze) [11:56] <mornfall> The package also now got ACCEPTed. [11:57] <Sime> Lure: what is his address? [11:57] <Lure> Sime: apachelogger@u.c [11:58] <Lure> Sime: he does most of kde4 package uploads currently [11:58] <mornfall> Lure: How long does it ~ take for the build to start? [11:58] <jpatrick> mornfall: less than an hour [12:01] <mornfall> Hm, hour. [12:03] <Lure> mornfall: https://launchpad.net/+builds - seems buildd for ppa are not under load, so it should be sooner (just to be picked up by cron scripts) [12:03] <mornfall> Well, they still need to go through 3 rounds. [12:04] <mornfall> If they work at all. [12:04] <mornfall> Anyhow, if someone is willing to test locally, grab from http://anna.fi.muni.cz/~xrockai/adept-3-deb/. Off to chop wood. [12:04] <mornfall> Laters. [12:04] <Lure> mornfall: btw, all three accepted to my ppa too, so will see who will be faster (if mine build at all as I am beyond space limit) ;-) [12:40] <mornfall> Hm, nothing new. And no more wood. === danimo_ is now known as danimo [13:25] <danimo> does nspluginviewer embedding work for anyone in KDE 4? [13:29] <mornfall> Lure: Can you try installing adept from deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/me-mornfall/ubuntu hardy main ? Or anyone... [13:30] <mornfall> I am off for a walk now, but would be great if someone tried them out : - ). See the notes at https://launchpad.net/~me-mornfall/+archive as well. [13:30] <mornfall> Laters [13:31] <smarter> danimo: doesn't work for me [13:42] <nixternal> danimo: doesn't work for me, it pops up little windows for nspluginviewer [13:45] <jpatrick> danimo: it works sometimes for me [13:45] <smarter> same as nixternal [13:45] <smarter> i use r48 I think === jpatrick changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | Next meeting: 23th January 23:00 | KDE 4.0! http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo [14:27] <apachelogger__> Sime: is the implimentation complete yet? [14:27] <apachelogger__> last I checked it was only at a very basic state [14:32] <Sime> apachelogger__: how complete does it need to be? I works here, although a little bit slow. [14:38] <apachelogger__> bah, I just broke amarok's toolbar graphic -.- [14:39] <Sime> apachelogger__: I can later test how fast it works on KDE svn trunk. Maybe I missed a patch. [14:41] <apachelogger__> seems to be fairly useable... http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=762830 fixes all the issues I had [14:41] <apachelogger__> Sime: well, it ain't worth anything if it slows everything down even more [14:41] <apachelogger__> plasma is really slow enough alrady IMO :P [14:42] <Sime> apachelogger__: the taskbar is slow to update when changing desktops. (~1 sec). The rest is the same. [14:42] <apachelogger__> 1 sec? Oo [14:42] <apachelogger__> omg [14:42] <apachelogger__> Sime: maybe it depends on some of the speed improvements done earlier [14:43] * apachelogger__ just wonders... when aaron finds out... ohhhh, I don't wanna clean up afterwards ;-) [14:45] <apachelogger__> Sime: I'm a bit worried about the patch size [14:45] <apachelogger__> you see, we have to maintain the patch until 4.1 gets out... which is quite some time [14:45] <apachelogger__> maybe we can cut it down a bit [14:48] <Sime> apachelogger__: merge them down into one and try again. I think there is a bit of redudancy. [14:50] <apachelogger__> woohoo :D [14:51] <Sime> is that a good woohoo? [14:51] <apachelogger__> Sime: that is a sarcastic woohoo ;-) [14:52] <apachelogger__> you know, I'm pretty much all reversed, like I say cool when something sux, or that I first implement code, then wrap it in a function, then make that function an private object and then wrap that in a class ;-) [14:57] <apachelogger__> lol [14:57] <apachelogger__> I was running my svn session all the time [14:57] <apachelogger__> that explains a lot :D [14:57] * apachelogger__ kicks kdm again [14:59] <apachelogger__> !info kde4 hardy [14:59] <ubotu> kde4 (source: meta-kde4): the K Desktop Environment version 4 official modules. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.2 (hardy), package size 2 kB, installed size 36 kB [14:59] <Lure> mornfall: libept did not build http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11450355/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.libept_0.5.13.ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [15:00] <apachelogger__> stdin_: where should we place bug 184544 ? it's not really a kdebase bug, since apt is 3rd party [15:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 184544 in kdebase-kde4 "apt kio-slave missing in konqueror-kde4" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184544 [15:01] <Lure> Hobbsee: do you understand what is wrong with kdepim upload? [15:02] <Hobbsee> Lure: yeah [15:02] <Hobbsee> i'm fixing it [15:02] <smarter> I put some ideas for k-d-s-kde4 and k-d-kde4 in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Todo [15:02] <Lure> Hobbsee: -sd instead od -sa? [15:02] <Hobbsee> yeah [15:03] <Lure> Hobbsee: I know the feeling ;-) [15:03] <Jucato> apachelogger__: change the package affected to kio-apt? [15:03] <Lure> smarter: great, please add this to topic for next meeting (to review it) [15:03] <smarter> Lure: ok [15:11] <apachelogger__> Lure: that meeting is gonna take 5 hours [15:11] <apachelogger__> smarter: I don't get 'kickoff kubuntu branding here instead of patching kdebase-workspace' [15:11] <Lure> apachelogger__: does not need to if somebody proposes action items [15:12] <Lure> apachelogger__: would be nice if patch would not include kubuntu stuff, but read it from config file [15:13] <smarter> Lure said it for me ;) [15:13] <Lure> apachelogger__: should patch might be accepted upstream for 4.0.x [15:14] <Jucato> "Put kickoff kubuntu branding in k-d-s instead of patching kdebase-workspace" [15:14] <Lure> s/should/such/ [15:14] <apachelogger__> Lure: it's a suse patch, so they might have to get it upstream [15:15] <Jucato> smarter: "logo at the top right of konqueror" the animated one? [15:15] <smarter> Jucato: yes [15:15] <Jucato> ah the throbber [15:15] <Lure> apachelogger__: probably, it was agreed to some extend also on release-party: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-release-team&m=120078652611862&w=2 [15:15] <smarter> like in konqueror3 [15:16] <Jucato> yeah, it's called a throbber... for a second there you had me thinking of another icon :) [15:31] * ryanakca weeps at not receiving any mockups [15:31] * ryanakca considers spamming the planet again [15:32] <emonkey-t> ryanakca, still no answer? [15:32] <ryanakca> emonkey-t: none :S [15:32] <emonkey-t> :/ [15:32] <ryanakca> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/WebsiteMockups [15:33] <ryanakca> There's only the default template [15:33] <ryanakca> Oh well, I'm betting on UWN to give it some publicity [15:33] <emonkey-t> jep [15:37] <smarter> why is there no announce on kubuntu.org ? [15:37] <smarter> (for the contest) [15:40] <ryanakca> smarter: because nobody has gotten around to it / webmaster doesn't think it ought to go on it? [15:40] * ryanakca shrugs [15:44] <smarter> IMHO, people browsing on kubuntu.org are the most interested in a new website === stdin_ is now known as stdin [15:55] <mornfall> Lure: It seems to have passed in mine. [15:57] <Lure> mornfall: not really, failed log was from your ppa [15:57] <mornfall> Ah. Hm. [15:57] <mornfall> Sorry : - ). [15:57] <mornfall> I just seen 3 binary, ok and walked away... [15:57] <Lure> mornfall: https://launchpad.net/~me-mornfall/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all [15:58] <mornfall> Lure: Ah, right, failed tests (and I also know why). Hmh. [16:20] <Sime> funny, the media popup from KDE 3 appears in KDE 4 sessions if you are running a KDE 3 application. Logical but annoying. [17:47] <apachelogger_> oh I hate it when I lose the connection [17:49] <Tm_T> oh I don't run my irc client in home [17:49] <Tm_T> ;) [17:53] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: get a server and screen irssi from there [17:54] * Jucato was just pointed to the joys of irc bouncers... :) [17:54] <Jucato> of course I still have to run the bouncer @ home... I don't think servers allow them [17:56] <apachelogger_> irssi sux [17:56] <apachelogger_> quassel ftw! [17:56] <apachelogger_> anyway, I have no server, so :P [17:57] <smarter> apachelogger_: quassel has been released? [17:57] <apachelogger_> nope [17:57] <apachelogger_> but I actually have a snapshot pocket :P [17:57] <Jucato> hahah [17:58] <apachelogger_> <-- probably has more packages for yet-unreleased software, than for released one [17:58] <nixternal> booyahkah [17:58] <nixternal> KDE 4 Gutsy LiveCD has no sound [17:59] <apachelogger_> woohoo [17:59] <apachelogger_> omg [17:59] <apachelogger_> ! [17:59] <apachelogger_> so amarok is useless [17:59] <apachelogger_> that ain't nice -.- [18:00] <Lure> apachelogger_: btw, any progress on kdm-kde4 front? [18:01] <apachelogger_> Lure: nope, it breaks on build for me, even though I don't touch the bit where it breaks [18:01] <apachelogger_> I'm thinking on redoing the patches from scratch [18:02] <Lure> apachelogger_: I am now on hardy packages, so might have time to look into it tonight [18:02] <apachelogger_> we should do this for the default configs at least [18:02] <apachelogger_> Lure: well, it works so far [18:02] <apachelogger_> it just look like shit [18:02] <apachelogger_> and has some weird bugs [18:02] <apachelogger_> like it messes with encoding for some reason [18:02] <Lure> apachelogger_: encoding? like i18n? [18:03] <apachelogger_> yes [18:03] <apachelogger_> like umlauts and accents are b0rked in translations [18:03] <apachelogger_> I think even in dolphin [18:04] <Lure> apachelogger_: ok, will try slovenian version of kde4 then [18:04] <apachelogger_> k [18:12] <blizzzek> re [18:50] <lucky_lucas> Hi, is there any chance to have a very preview of the simon speech to text in kubuntu ? It's written in qt4 [18:52] <lucky_lucas> www-simon-lstens.org [18:52] <lucky_lucas> www.simon-listens.org [19:01] <Lure> apachelogger_: is kde4 translated for you at all? my slovenian install only has .desktop file translations, the rest is in english [19:02] <smarter> french translation works fine [19:04] <Lure> smarter: interesting. you using just hardy packages? [19:04] <Lure> smarter: do you have kubuntu/kde3 also installed? [19:04] <smarter> Lure: nop, I'm on gutsy with ppa packages [19:04] <smarter> Lure: yes [19:05] <Lure> smarter: ok, I have installed hardy-server + kde4 meta package [19:05] <Lure> it might be that something is missing (depends) [19:06] <Lure> smarter: what does "env [19:06] <Lure> "env | grep LANG" return [19:06] <Lure> smarter: if you run in Konsole [19:06] <smarter> LANGUAGE=fr_FR:fr:en_GB:en LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 [19:07] <Lure> ok, that is the problem [19:07] <Lure> my LANGUAGE is empty [19:08] <smarter> LANGUAGE is set in /etc/environment here [19:10] <Lure> smarter: yep, you have probably set it with kde3 or during install [19:11] <smarter> it was during install I think [19:11] <Lure> smarter: my system was installed in english (server install) [19:14] <Lure> apachelogger_: btw, kdm takes ages to start here (like 3-5 minutes after boot, for the time I only see text console) [19:16] <jpatrick> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2008-January/025086.html [19:16] * Lure purges and installs again [19:17] <jpatrick> wth?^^^^^ [19:17] <Lure> jpatrick: talking about new kde4 package? ;-) [19:19] <jpatrick> Lure: in a passive sort of way [19:19] <Lure> apachelogger_: ok, that cured it - now it starts much faster [19:22] <Lure> stdin: around? [19:23] <stdin> Lure: for a little while [19:23] <apachelogger_> cool :P [19:24] <Lure> stdin, apachelogger_: where do we want kdm-kde4 config: in /etc/kde4 or in /usr/lib/kde4/etc/kde4 ? [19:25] <Lure> there is currently mismatch between config files and /etc/init.d/kdm-kde4 script [19:25] <apachelogger_> Lure: I've fixed it already [19:25] <apachelogger_> goes in usr/lib as everything [19:25] <Lure> apachelogger_: ok, good [19:26] * Lure fixes it locally [19:26] <apachelogger_> Lure: you better work somewhere else for now ;-) [19:26] <apachelogger_> I fixed a lot crap in that regard [19:26] <apachelogger_> I just need to get it compile properly so I can upload [19:26] <Lure> apachelogger_: did you also change DAEMON= to point to actual binary in /usr/lib/kde4/...? [19:27] <apachelogger_> yep [19:27] <Lure> apachelogger_: ok, great [21:00] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: "dragonplayer has moved to kdemultimedia" [21:00] <apachelogger_> I no [21:00] <jpatrick> :p [21:01] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: dude, I'm working with it's dev everyday :P [21:01] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: and I'm working with you everyday :p [21:01] <apachelogger_> work is overrated anyway [21:02] <jpatrick> hi mhb [21:02] <mhb> good evening [21:05] <ryanakca> mhb: no mockups :( [21:05] * ryanakca looks for something to do and notices the ToDo link in the topic [21:08] <jpatrick> yay [21:08] <jpatrick> ryanakca: I'll poke my contacts in kubuntu-es, see if they can come up with anything [21:08] <ryanakca> jpatrick: thanks :D [21:09] * ryanakca wonders if he should make the kubuntu-desktop-kde4 metapackage [21:09] <jpatrick> ryanakca: don't mention it [21:09] <ryanakca> jpatrick: oh, btw, remember that promo material I translated a few months ago? [21:10] <ryanakca> Well... my teacher finally gave it back corrected on Thursday :) [21:10] <jpatrick> ryanakca: oh, yeah, I found a French version from ages ago laying around on the wiki from the old Kubuntu Marketing pages [21:11] <ryanakca> lol [21:12] <jpatrick> but you might want to push your updated one to the (hardly-used) branch [21:12] <ryanakca> hmm... since I've volunteered myself for making the kubuntu-desktop-kde4 , should it be provided by kubuntu-meta, or a seperate source package, since one goes to main and the other to universe? [21:12] <ryanakca> kk [21:13] <jpatrick> ryanakca: you might want to poke apachelogger_ or smarter about k-d-kde4 [21:17] * ryanakca waits for their input [21:19] <apachelogger_> I dunno [21:19] <Lure> ryanakca: I would suspect kde4 will go to main too and Riddell mentioned that we cannot change seeds for some reasons yet [21:19] <apachelogger_> probably we should create kubuntu-meta-kde4 [21:19] <ryanakca> Lure: seeds? [21:21] <Lure> ryanakca: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement [21:21] <Lure> ryanakca: meta package is just start of the mess needed [21:22] <ryanakca> Lure: ah, kk, thanks [21:22] <ryanakca> hmm... for some reason firefox and KDE4 don't seem to want to play nice with each other... [21:23] <hads> Works here [21:23] <Lure> ryanakca: yep, firefox looks ugly under kde4 (gtkqt does not work or something) [21:24] <jpatrick> Lure: Firefox is emulated GTK, no? [21:24] <Lure> jpatrick: probably, not sure really [21:25] <jpatrick> that's what I heard once [21:26] <ryanakca> Lure: that, and when you type in a text field on a page, or scroll, the pager and/or the the taskbar flickers [21:27] <Lure> ryanakca: I do not see that problem here - are you using desktop effects? [21:27] <Lure> ryanakca: I also recall one bug with firefox and nvidia [21:27] * ryanakca grumbles at everything else on the Todo being taken and debates between getting back to learning C++ or doing bugs [21:27] <ryanakca> yep, desktop effects, and yep, nvidia :) [21:28] <ryanakca> ... but firefox doesn't flicker, just it's little bubble on the taskbar and/or the desktop pager, depending on how the planets are aligned and the amount of black spots on the sun... [21:28] <Lure> ryanakca: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154830 [21:28] <ubotu> KDE bug 154830 in general "Plasmoids aren't correctly drawn when firefox is opened and you type something" [Normal,Resolved: invalid] [21:30] <ryanakca> hmm... mine doesn't go like that... it just goes fully transparent... wait... [21:30] * ryanakca wonders if it has anything to do with the transparency effect [21:30] <ryanakca> (transparent until I mouse over / click on it) [21:32] * ryanakca updates nvidia [21:32] <iRon> ryanakca: I want to ask about kubuntu site.. do you planning to redesign it's structure too? e.g. 'FAQ' section must be in Documentation.. Remove duplicate 'Wiki' links.. and so on.. [21:32] <ryanakca> iRon: yes [21:32] <iRon> ryanakca: I'm asking, because I've some experience in usability design.. [21:32] <ryanakca> iRon: full redesign... we're migrating to drupal. [21:33] <ryanakca> iRon: oooh :) [21:33] <iRon> ryanakca: also i know a good web designer.. will ask him for the help.. === _czessi is now known as Czessi [21:50] <jjesse> dang its cold outside [22:39] <todobg> can some1 fix this bug with libkdeprint.so.5 ? [22:41] <ryanakca> todobg: what bug? [22:41] <ryanakca> did you file it? [22:41] <todobg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4base/+bug/164791 [22:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 164791 in kde4base "libkdeprint.so.5: No such file or directory" [Undecided,New] [22:42] <ryanakca> heh, interesting... I might look into it... but no promises... [22:42] <todobg> huh === rdieter is now known as rdieter_afk === uga is now known as uga|away |