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[00:02] <ryanakca> ScottK: *nods* [00:27] <RinTinTigger> Hey...is someone there? [00:28] <RinTinTigger> I need some help with a "special problem" [00:28] <ryanakca> RinTinTigger: #kubuntu ? [00:29] <RinTinTigger> well i am not sure [00:29] <RinTinTigger> problem is [00:29] <RinTinTigger> I have a laptop with cd-drive malfunction [00:29] <RinTinTigger> and had windows preinstalled [00:29] <RinTinTigger> and installed Feisty Fawn via Wubi [00:29] <ryanakca> ... and... was it caused by Kubuntu / Did it happen when you put in the CD? [00:29] <ryanakca> ah... Wubi? [00:29] <RinTinTigger> Yeah [00:29] <RinTinTigger> Wubi [00:29] <RinTinTigger> now BOTH OS crashed [00:30] * ryanakca scratches his head and decides this is above him [00:30] <RinTinTigger> and i cant reinstall [00:30] <RinTinTigger> so i kinda need a way to install ubuntu/lionux via USB-Stick ^^ [00:30] <RinTinTigger> How do i F***CKIN ;) install Linux without a Cd-Drive and network access ? :D [00:31] <ryanakca> you're better off asking that type of question in #ubuntu ... #kubuntu answers that type of question, but it's not as populated. #ubuntu will deal with more generic issues, hardware under Ubuntu, etc. [00:31] <RinTinTigger> ty [00:31] <ryanakca> how? with your godly superpowers :P [00:35] <nixternal> man, I so need to get this audio crap fixed...I just booted into KDE 4 in class and everyone heard the new login sound :) [00:37] <crimsun> /ignore * nixternal ["audio" "sound"] [00:38] <ryanakca> oooh, I like the new "to complete this update you need to reboot your system" message that pops up, telling me my upgrade is done [00:38] <ryanakca> brb, wish me luck, hardy, here I come :) [00:50] <ryanakca> weee :) [00:50] <ryanakca> My KDE session didn't get restored for some reason... but I can live with that :) [00:53] <yuriy> oh this is fun. kde4 just crashed and now the panel won't come up [00:56] * yuriy says goodbye to his ~/.kde4 [00:57] <ryanakca> aaaaah! 'kopete' points to /usr/lib/kde4/bin/kopete ... and kopete-kde4 points to /usr/bin/kopete-kde4 [00:58] <ryanakca> ... and /usr/bin/kopete refuses to start :S [00:58] <yuriy> i know this was being discussed yesterday but.. maybe the user on computer/kubuntu label could go on the top of kickoff? [00:59] <stdin> nixternal: you about? === santiago-php is now known as santiago-ve [01:31] <ryanakca> hmm... is kopete dead for anybody else? [01:31] <crimsun> 18 [01:31] <crimsun> err, sorry. [01:57] <jjesse_> evening :) === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [01:58] <Jucato> hi jjesse! [02:00] <jjesse> morning Jucato [02:00] <jjesse> man i love the opening sessions of american idol [02:01] <Jucato> :) [02:02] <bddebian> It's frickin' frightening [02:02] <jjesse> aint it great [02:04] <bddebian> No it makes me ashamed of my species :-) [02:05] <jjesse> makes me ashasmed as well [02:05] <jjesse> i can't believe some of these people [02:05] <jjesse> just started watching [02:05] <jjesse> jes478SE [02:05] <jjesse> man i love to do that [02:06] <jjesse> set password kmj0407 [02:06] <Jucato> O.o [02:06] <jjesse> good lord [02:06] <jjesse> i should quit typing [02:07] <jjesse> changed all of my accounts again :( [02:07] <jjesse> i'm stupid [02:15] * yuriy found a use for the thumbnail aside effect [02:15] <jjesse> yay yuriy === kitterma is now known as ScottK2 [02:36] <jjesse_> hrm interseting dropping my network connectin again under linux ;( === \sh is now known as \sh_away [02:51] <jjesse_> hrmm [03:09] <jjesse_> i think everyone fell alseep [03:09] <nixternal> hey, we aren't going to have a #kubuntu and a #kubuntu-kde4 are we? just one channel [03:09] <jjesse_> nixternal: you are in charge of both :) [03:10] <Hobbsee> the impression tha ti got from teh meeting minutes was that we wer.e [03:10] <nixternal> heck no, trying to put a stop to a separate channel if at all possible [03:10] <nixternal> that is ridiculous [03:10] <Hobbsee> well, fix it then, and stop the arguing. *shrug* [03:10] <Hobbsee> if you want to take over, then do so. no one's stopping you. [03:20] * Hobbsee should just resign from the KC [03:22] <nixternal> Hobbsee: don't you dare! [03:22] <Hobbsee> nixternal: why? [03:22] <nixternal> cuz I said so, that's why :p [03:22] <DaSkreech> Yay!!! [03:22] <DaSkreech> I have my ticket [03:23] <tlayton> hey. talking about kde4, if i remove a desktop file when in kde3, shouldn't it also be removed when i go back to kde4? [03:23] <Hobbsee> nixternal: so? [03:24] <nixternal> 21:24:51 up 63 days, 4:22, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 [03:25] * nixternal thinks it is time for a break === _czessi is now known as Czessi === Sapphire-Tux is now known as Elidix [05:59] <manchicken> We've got a babychicken. [05:59] <manchicken> Born on the 15th at 19:46 -0500 [06:00] <Jucato> that's great!! congratulations!! :) [06:00] <Hobbsee> yay! [06:01] <Jucato> Hobbsee!!!! [06:01] <Hobbsee> heya Jucato! [06:04] <DaSkreech> Lumaya Jucato ! [06:04] <Jucato> :D [06:12] <ScottK> manchicken: Congratulations. [06:16] <manchicken> Thanks. [06:18] <yuriy> congratulations manchicken!!! [06:22] <manchicken> Baby pics: http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=17489305&albumId=1429460 [06:24] <DaSkreech> I have to login to see em? [06:24] <Jucato> I have to register? O.o [06:32] <DaSkreech> seele: Someone is looking for you [06:45] <DaSkreech> seele: _CitizenKane_ in #kde if you see this [06:48] <manchicken> Weird. [06:48] <manchicken> Try going to http://www.myspace.com/manchicken and clicking on "pics" [06:51] <Hobbsee> ew, myspace? [06:51] <Tm_T> stop cursing, little kids are awake [06:54] <DaSkreech> I must be logged into see that [06:54] <Tm_T> hah [06:57] <DaSkreech> manchicken: I guess you have some filter on them [06:57] * Tm_T doesn't know what is this "myspace" [07:00] <manchicken> I don't think I do. [07:00] <manchicken> Sorry, myspace is all I can think of to access on this super-anal network. [07:00] * Hobbsee suggests hosting them on a real site [07:01] <manchicken> Everything is locked down on this hospital wifi. [07:01] <Tm_T> manchicken: awww, what's the situation there? [07:01] <manchicken> They'll be on manchicken.com once we get home. [07:01] <manchicken> Probably with video. [07:01] <manchicken> But this hospital is locked down. I'm using an HTTP client to IRC right now. [07:01] <manchicken> btw, mibbit.com is sweet. [07:02] <manchicken> meebo.com isn't half bad either. [07:03] * Hobbsee si surprised the hospital has wifi [07:03] <manchicken> I was, too. [07:14] <blizzzek> hi [08:19] <nixternal> Belkin KVMs are the suxorz [08:50] <apache|mobile> stdin: I think we should close bug 182288 telling the report to move it to bugs.kde.org that report doesn't report a certain issue, but quite some troubles with ATI stuff [08:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182288 in kdebase-kde4 "blank screen with kwin effects" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182288 [09:04] <nixternal> apache|mobile: that is because that person doesn't have either a) the correct driver installed, or b) doesn't have the correct driver installed [09:04] <nixternal> I have no problems now with my Radeon and KDE 4 [09:07] <nixternal> holy smokes, 03:07...time flies when you clean up your computer area [09:07] * nixternal beds [09:07] <nixternal> g'nite [09:15] <apache|mobile> nixternal: I think it also depends on the chip [09:22] <iRon> i got the same thing (blank screen) with integrated intel video [09:22] <iRon> on my laptop [09:55] <apache|mobile> iRon: works for mine [09:55] <apache|mobile> iRon: can you paste your xorg.conf? [10:31] * Hobbsee curses blinken [10:31] * Hobbsee tries again [11:04] * Hobbsee plays with more of kdeedu [11:20] <iRon> apache|mobile: actualy default one, generated by xserver-xorg: http://pastebin.org/15642 [11:23] * apache|mobile isn't too surprised that this doesn't work properly [11:23] <iRon> oh.. i found how to reproduce it.. anyone whants to try? [11:23] <iRon> i think it will fail on any card [11:24] <apache|mobile> cool [11:26] <parthan> anyways of tracing why a "knotify crashed error occurred" ? [11:26] <iRon> 1. Goto System Settings / Desktop Effects: deselect 'Enable desktop effects' checkbox [11:26] <iRon> Apply [11:27] <iRon> 2. Then again select 'Enable desktop effects' checkbox and deselect 'Improved window management' and 'Various animations'... [11:27] <iRon> Leave only selected 'Shadows' [11:27] <iRon> And press Apply.. [11:27] <iRon> You'll get a black screen with mouse cursor [11:28] <iRon> apache|mobile: could you try this? [11:29] <apache|mobile> iRon: only for 5 seconds [11:31] <iRon> apache|mobile: yep, then it returns to prev state.. but if you press 'ctrl-alt-backspace' before this 5 seconds -- then on next login you'll get a black screen. [11:31] <iRon> apache|mobile: or press `enter' === \sh_away is now known as \sh [11:32] <apache|mobile> cool [11:32] <apache|mobile> iRon: upstream bug [12:38] <mhb> hello [12:38] <mhb> ryanakca: I get the feeling that the message did not get to many interested ears [12:49] <stdin> apachelogger_: there's nothing we can do about that bug either way, it should go upstream (maybe kwin can do better detection of hardware capabilities) [12:52] <stdin> someone says they're still having bug 182077 [12:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182077 in kdebase-workspace "multiple desktop-icons in kde4" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182077 [12:53] <iRon> stdin: i think there is some logical error in code.. need to check what settings are activated when 'Improved window management' is checked. [12:53] <iRon> stdin: because i could see mouse cursor.. so X doesn't failed [12:54] <iRon> stdin: i think it's just need to enable some variables in code even if only 'Shadows' activated [12:55] <stdin> still should probably go upstream, they know the code better than anyone [12:59] <alleeHol> Hobbsee: you've added to exiv2 quite some conflicts for smooth upgrades. This effectivly disabled having several libexiv2* in parallel. Was this a quick fix? Can't this be solved in a less intrusive way? === \sh is now known as \sh_away [13:05] <Hobbsee> alleeHol: probably. it was holding back digikam upgrades. [13:10] <smarter> Are we going to package the oxygen cursor theme? [13:11] <mhb> please do (humble request) [13:12] <mhb> it should be packaged separate from KDE anyway (cursors are non-DE-dependent) [13:16] <smarter> shouldn't be too hard to package ;) [13:17] <mhb> nope [13:18] <smarter> It uses inkscape to generate the png, can it uses ksvgtopng? [13:22] <alleeHol> Hobbsee: thx [13:22] <mhb> smarter: hmm, I guess Inkscape is a safer choice. [13:30] <apachelogger_> smarter: no [13:30] <apachelogger_> can't use ksvgtopng [13:30] <smarter> ok [13:31] <apachelogger_> smarter: btw, you probably will have to write a script to create a snapshot tar.gz [13:31] <smarter> apachelogger_: why should I create a tar.gz? [13:31] <apachelogger_> smarter: how do you want to package it without? [13:32] <smarter> I type make, then cp cursors/* /usr/share/icons and that's it [13:32] <apachelogger_> smarter: _package_ [13:32] <smarter> so I just need to put this in debian/rules [13:32] <apachelogger_> smarter: where do you get the source from? [13:32] <smarter> apachelogger_: git [13:33] <apachelogger_> so [13:33] <apachelogger_> you need to create a solution to update the checkout [13:33] <apachelogger_> hence create a tar.gz [13:33] <apachelogger_> because only native packages can go without orig.tar.gz [13:34] <smarter> I thought I'll just remove .git and create the tarball [13:34] <smarter> If i make a script, where should I put it? [13:34] <apachelogger_> in the debian dir [13:34] <smarter> okay [13:34] <apachelogger_> you can also create a get-orig-source rule in debian/rules, but script is probably easier to do [13:35] <apachelogger_> just needs to git clone, remove the .git and tar it up [13:35] * apachelogger_ updates kdeedu [13:35] <smarter> I'll do that [13:35] <apachelogger_> smarter: cool :) [13:36] <apachelogger_> stdin: btw, kde4 is missing a dep on kdeedu-kde4 [13:37] <stdin> apachelogger_: kde4 depends on kde4-amusements, which depends on kdeedu-kde4 [13:38] <_StefanS_> I was just wondering, anyone have the xorg settings for nvidia to enable effects under kde4 ? [13:39] <stdin> _StefanS_: http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/kwin/COMPOSITE_HOWTO [13:39] <apachelogger_> stdin: ok [13:39] <_StefanS_> stdin: thanks [13:39] <apachelogger_> bah [13:39] * apachelogger_ svn co's kiten [13:39] <_StefanS_> hey Tonio_ [13:40] <Tonio_> hey _StefanS_ [13:42] * apachelogger_ commits fixed icon installation to kiten [13:42] <_StefanS_> I wish we could do without xorg.conf, and leave it to autodetect everything... seems unlikely at the moment though [13:43] <mhb> _StefanS_: all in due time [13:44] <_StefanS_> mhb: yes, I sure hope so.. its already been stripped down a bit the past years, but time will tell I guess. [13:44] <_StefanS_> going kde4... brb. [13:45] <apachelogger_> stdin: btw, I think we should work on a different configuration solution ... .kde4 isn't precisely a good thing, considering kde 4 is default in hardy [13:45] <apachelogger_> makes one unbelivable pita [13:45] <apachelogger_> for upgrading [13:46] <stdin> apachelogger_: the "kde4-*" packages are really just there to replace the kde3 versions "kde-*" [13:46] <stdin> we could/should make a kubuntu specific meta-package [13:46] <apachelogger_> stdin: nah, I mean for the configuration storage [13:46] <mhb> apachelogger_: is KDE4 even ready to import original .kde3 config files? [13:47] <apachelogger_> right now it's $HOME/.kde for kde3 and $HOME/.kde4 for kde4 [13:47] <stdin> ahh, right [13:47] <apachelogger_> mhb: I don't know [13:47] <apachelogger_> honestly I don't care [13:47] <apachelogger_> I'm worried about KDE 4 upgrades [13:47] <apachelogger_> because [13:47] <apachelogger_> if we go with .kde4 for hardy [13:47] <apachelogger_> we will have to patch KDE until KDE 5 gets out [13:48] <mhb> like we haven't patched KDE3 at all :o) but I see your point [13:51] <apachelogger_> I think we should patch .kde3 [13:52] <apachelogger_> maybe add some cp -rf .kde .kde3 when the startkde for KDE4 is initated the first time [13:52] * apachelogger_ takes the stress ball for a walk [13:54] <ScottK> apachelogger_: Are you going to do the regression testing to ensure that doesn't break anything? [13:59] <apachelogger_> ScottK: what could this possible break? [13:59] <apachelogger_> mhb: do you think a migration wizard would be too bloated? :P [14:00] <mhb> apachelogger_: nay [14:00] <apachelogger_> like blah, a kde3 configuration set has been detected, do you want to reuse it for kde3 applications, dump it or let apps try to migrate them [14:00] <mhb> apachelogger_: wizard's are Riddell's expertise [14:00] <apachelogger_> hrrhr :D [14:00] <apachelogger_> +r [14:02] <smarter> and the same for kde3: ".kde contains kde4 configuration, do you want to use .kde3?" [14:02] <apachelogger_> nah [14:02] <apachelogger_> we patch kdelibs to use .kde3 for kde3 [14:03] <apachelogger_> just what we do now for kde4 the other way round [14:03] <apachelogger_> if a user starts kde3 we just cp -rf to .kde3 [14:12] <Mez> omgwtfbbq. [14:12] <Mez> why do gtk need to have a gboolean type? [14:13] <apachelogger_> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/img045.jpg [14:14] <Nightrose> apachelogger_: you should give the option to make a backup no matter what is choosen [14:22] <ScottK> apachelogger_: Are there any KDE3 apps that are hardcoded to look in .kde? If you answer no, then tell me how you know that? [14:26] <apachelogger_> ScottK: no, if they do they aren't KDE apps [14:26] <ScottK> apachelogger_: Or buggy ones. [14:26] <apachelogger_> that's the most basic freature of configuration stoarge ;-) [14:27] <ScottK> Yes and it's not unknown for programs to have bugs due to relying on basic things they shouldn't rely on. [14:27] <apachelogger_> ScottK: so you think we should test the zillions of KDE software ;-) [14:27] <ScottK> apachelogger_: If you're going to move .kde to .kde3, yes. [14:27] <apachelogger_> cool thing [14:27] <ScottK> KDE3 is your stable foundation for people to do work on, don't take risks with it. [14:27] * apachelogger_ hereby proposes to remove KDE 3 completely [14:28] * ScottK goe and installs opensuse then. [14:28] <ScottK> BTW, if it's easy to move .kde to .kde3, why isn't it just as easy to move .kde4 to .kde when the time comes? [14:29] <apachelogger_> ScottK: because when the time comes it's move .kde4 to .kde and .kde to .kde3 [14:30] <apachelogger_> anyway [14:30] <apachelogger_> the thing is [14:30] <apachelogger_> ScottK: the change to .kde3 would only cause problems if another app uses a 3rd apps config [14:30] <apachelogger_> s/users/accesses [14:30] <Hobbsee> and there's no guarentee that the configs are compatible [14:31] <ScottK> Which are all very good reasons not to be messing with KDE3 configs in Hardy. [14:31] <bddebian> Heya [14:32] <apachelogger_> ScottK: IMO the scenario of regression is _highly_ impossible [14:32] <apachelogger_> as saied, a really problem would be if another app access another app's config [14:32] <apachelogger_> and doing that yourself instead of abusing kdelibs is more work [14:32] <apachelogger_> so none would have done that [14:33] <apachelogger_> if the app writes it's own config statically to .kde [14:33] <apachelogger_> it's a problem either way [14:33] <apachelogger_> because if you start the KDE 4 port, it will do it, and if you start the KDE 3 port it will do it as well [14:33] <apachelogger_> so we can't influence it at all [14:34] <apachelogger_> but I agree, regression testing is most important for the whole transition process [14:34] <wesley_> there are daily kde4 updates it seems [14:35] <apachelogger_> pretty much [14:35] <wesley_> theres one from kopete and plasma [14:35] <apachelogger_> Nightrose: maybe some checkbox - "Create a compressed backup package" [14:35] <Nightrose> apachelogger_: jep something like that [14:42] <apachelogger_> Nightrose: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/img046.jpg [14:42] <apachelogger_> like this? [14:43] <Nightrose> apachelogger_: nicely :) - maybe some indication where it gets saved to? [14:43] <Nightrose> I assume home [14:45] * apachelogger_ would go for Desktop [14:45] <apachelogger_> most visible after login [14:46] <Nightrose> hmm fine as well I think - just indicate somehow where it is [14:47] <apachelogger_> Nightrose: in a tooltip [14:47] <Nightrose> ok [14:47] <apachelogger_> everything else bloats the gui and mhb will punch me again [14:47] <Nightrose> hihi [14:48] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger_: Hope you don't leave the third option to 'ony' [14:49] <apachelogger_> lol [14:49] <apachelogger_> Artemis_Fowl: just a mockup :D [14:49] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger_: :-) [14:49] <mhb> apachelogger_: I'm fine as long as Riddell approves it [14:50] <apachelogger_> well, needs some improvement [14:50] <apachelogger_> logo somewhere maybe [14:52] <xRaich[o]2x> stacked widgets could be nice. for step by step migration. or is this too much? [14:53] <apachelogger_> xRaich[o]2x: the options on the screenshot are really everything we want/need to do [14:53] <apachelogger_> we can't influence the actual configuration migration [14:56] <xRaich[o]2x> hm k [15:01] * apachelogger_ kicks kiten [15:01] <apachelogger_> that app has been made to annoy me [15:01] * apachelogger_ assumes Nightrose is responsible for this [15:01] <manchicken> Sun is going to buy MySQL. What is the world coming to? [15:01] <xRaich[o]2x> kiten bakka desuka? [15:02] <Nightrose> apachelogger_: right - I only did that for you honey cause I know you like it :P [15:02] <apachelogger_> manchicken: they need at least one useable software :P [15:02] <apachelogger_> Nightrose: bah [15:03] <manchicken> apachelogger_: I suppose. At least they didn't buy postgresql. It'd be a shame if they pulled a real dbms out of Free Software. [15:03] <apachelogger_> lol [15:03] <apachelogger_> -.- [15:04] <apachelogger_> deb creation for kdeedu takes almost as long as compiling [15:32] <apachelogger__> hm [15:32] <apachelogger__> my english sounds kinda cool today [15:32] <apachelogger__> paste something so that somewhere else can take a look [15:32] <apachelogger__> sounds reasonable, doesn't it :P [15:32] * apachelogger__ needs more sleep === apachelogger__ is now known as apachelogger [15:33] <apachelogger> ScottK: about your comment on libksquirrel - nixternal and I came to agree that including useless manpages doesn't make any sense, and for the bins in that package they are useless [15:34] <ScottK> apachelogger: OK. Debian policy doesn't discriminate. I'd suggest writing a very simple one. [15:35] <apachelogger> -.- [15:36] <ScottK> Not quite that simple. [15:36] <apachelogger> well [15:36] <apachelogger> there ain't much to write [15:36] <apachelogger> app name [15:36] <apachelogger> description [15:36] <apachelogger> bin name [15:37] <apachelogger> copyright holder [15:37] <apachelogger> homepage maybe [15:37] <ScottK> Any options you can give it when you run it? [15:37] <apachelogger> nope [15:37] <apachelogger> well, for one I think, but I never tried whether this actually works [15:37] <ScottK> Fixing Riddell's FTBFS would be a nice feature for the package too ;-) [15:37] <apachelogger> also these bins aren't for any use to anyone [15:38] <ScottK> Well test and document that then. [15:38] <apachelogger> yeah [15:38] * apachelogger is kinda busy with kde4 though [15:38] <ScottK> It's FOSS, you can't control or predict how it will be used. Better it be documented. [15:39] <apachelogger> ScottK: pretty much my point, since it has a source anyone would use that and not introduce a dep on libksquirrel ;-) [15:39] <apachelogger> anyway, I'll add the manpages [15:39] <ScottK> Great. Once you fix the FTBFS, ping me and I'll look at it. [15:39] <apachelogger> yep [16:14] <emonkey> ryanakca, news about the mockup is out since lunchtime (europe) [16:14] <emonkey> http://www.kubuntu-de.org/nachrichten/kubuntu/design-wettbewerb-f-r-kubuntu-org-l-uft-bis-02-02-08 [17:24] <mhb> jpatrick: are you making minutes from the last meeting, too? [17:24] <jpatrick> mhb: seeing as no one reads them => no [17:25] <smarter> I read them :} [17:25] <mhb> jpatrick: what's that? [17:25] <mhb> jpatrick: I read them *all* the time [17:25] <Nightrose> jpatrick: I read them as well [17:25] <mhb> even though I've been on most of the meetings :o) [17:25] <jpatrick> I got the feeling from kubuntu-users that noone bothered with them [17:26] <jpatrick> I will do it ;) and always will [17:27] <mhb> I'm not sure a ML with topics like "Alternatives to Kubuntu" is really representative [17:27] <mhb> I am sorry that I haven't paid more attention at the last one ... [17:27] <mhb> have you/we decided to have a #kubuntu-kde4 channel? [17:28] <jpatrick> we have it [17:28] <mhb> I know we do now [17:28] <mhb> but it was quite a hot topic at the yesterday's IRC meeting [17:28] <mhb> many people are against it [17:28] <mhb> and I must have missed the part when we talked about it, so I'm asking [17:29] <jpatrick> well Hobbsee pulled out her Kubuntu Council shotgun when the IRC council shut it down [17:31] <mhb> so we haven't really talked about it as a team, or have we? [17:31] <claydoh> jpatrick: I read thje minutes, I can't usually make it to the meetings [17:31] * mhb honestly doesn't know [17:32] <jpatrick> we did at the meeting and the vote got though by one [17:32] <mhb> ah [17:32] <mhb> well, I guess I should continue what I'm doing now [17:32] <claydoh> and , at least for those that actually post in k -u- ml, well i dunno [17:33] <jpatrick> claydoh: don't worry, I'll keep doing them and I'm the one that posts them ;) [17:33] <claydoh> sweet [17:33] <mhb> not pay attention to the issue and let the chips fall where they may [17:33] <claydoh> and thank you [17:33] <mhb> yes, thanks [17:33] <claydoh> that was the one good post to the list lately [17:33] <jpatrick> but it seems kubuntu-users people can't read them [17:34] <jpatrick> otherwise we wouldn't have this useless Kubuntu LTS thread [17:34] <smarter> I just finished packaging oxygen cursors theme =) [17:34] <jpatrick> smarter: w00t [17:34] <nixternal> ooh? how are they looking? [17:35] <smarter> nice [17:35] <smarter> available here: http://ppa.launchpad.net/smarter/ubuntu/pool/main/o/oxygen-cursors-theme/ (the ppa3.1 when they will be uploaded) [17:36] <jpatrick> nixternal: you upload? or should I? [17:36] <smarter> I've made two packages: one with the white, yellow and green cursors and another one with the tons of others colors :} [17:36] <smarter> oxygen-cursors-theme and oxygen-cursors-theme-extra [17:37] <jpatrick> smarter: ~ppa3 still need building? [17:37] <smarter> the latest one is ~ppa3.1 [17:37] <smarter> which is not even uploaded :) [17:38] <jpatrick> mhb: oh, wait, you wanted the last meeting minutes? [17:38] <smarter> I messed up and made ~ppa3 for gutsy ^^' [17:39] <mhb> jpatrick: well, sure. [17:39] <mhb> jpatrick: but I can dig up the logs [17:39] <mhb> jpatrick: don't bother [17:39] <jpatrick> mhb: http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~jpatrick/minutes/ [17:39] <jpatrick> mhb: first on the list :) [17:40] <jpatrick> not much details, but... [17:40] <smarter> ppa3.1 are uploaded in my PPA [17:43] <jpatrick> smarter: ok, I'll test the package and shove it into universe [17:43] <smarter> the version number is 0git080116, I don't know if it's the correct way for unreleased programs [17:43] <smarter> ffmpeg use 0.cvs2007xxxxx [17:44] <jpatrick> smarter: 0~git20080116-0ubuntu1 would be better [17:45] <smarter> jpatrick: okay, you'll do the change? [17:45] <jpatrick> maybe 4.0.0~.... [17:45] <mhb> jpatrick: thanks [17:45] <jpatrick> seeing as that's kde-icons-oxygen's version [17:45] <jpatrick> smarter: yes [17:45] <jpatrick> mhb: yw [17:46] <apachelogger_> hmmmm [17:46] <jpatrick> Riddell: could we upload oxygen-cursors-theme? [17:46] <apachelogger_> smarter: I vote for 0.1~git..... [17:46] <apachelogger_> smarter: teh diff isn't clean [17:47] <apachelogger_> ...meaning there is quite some junk left by clean [17:47] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: on the off chance that upstream releases a 0.0 version ;) [17:47] <smarter> jpatrick: you'll also need to update debian/create-orig-from-git [17:47] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: ~git would still be < [17:47] <apachelogger_> actually [17:47] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: I said that ;) [17:47] <apachelogger_> I'd like to have it in revu [17:47] <jpatrick> good point [17:48] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: but would upstream mind? [17:48] * apachelogger_ needs more time to revu [17:48] <apachelogger_> have to head off for a meeting [17:48] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: ruphy in #oxygen [17:48] <mhb> umm [17:48] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: I'm on it [17:48] <mhb> I hate to bother you again, but shouldn't it be oxygen-cursor-theme? [17:48] <apachelogger_> actually I think ruphy should import it into kde svn before we release something [17:48] <jpatrick> smarter: can you upload to revu? [17:49] <jpatrick> mhb: I vote for kde-cursors-theme-oxygen [17:49] <mhb> there's no package called "*cursors-theme" but there are "dmz-cursor-theme" "chameleon-cursor-theme" [17:49] <smarter> mhb: there's human-cursors-theme [17:49] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: themes aren't desktop depending [17:49] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: he's not there! [17:49] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: well, I will talk to him [17:49] <mhb> smarter: is there? [17:49] <apachelogger_> smarter: go with cursor-theme [17:49] <smarter> I can upload to revu, even if I've never done it ;) [17:50] <apachelogger_> it's more common [17:50] <mhb> hmm, apt-cache search can't find it [17:50] <smarter> apachelogger_: ok [17:50] <smarter> I'll remove the junk in the diff [17:50] <jpatrick> smarter: is your key in revu keythingy? [17:50] <smarter> jpatrick: I think so [17:50] <apachelogger_> just stick the stuff in revu, I'll have a look at it in ~12 hours and talk to ruphy about releasing [17:51] <apachelogger_> if it's ok I'll push it to universe [17:51] <jpatrick> smarter: yeah, it is; dput revu .changes [17:51] <smarter> so oxygen-cursor-theme-0.1~git080116 ? [17:52] <smarter> -0ubuntu1 [17:52] <jpatrick> yes [17:53] <apachelogger_> maintainer should be ubuntu motu [17:53] <smarter> ok [17:53] <apachelogger_> everything I can complain about on first sight [17:53] <apachelogger_> will have a look at it tomorrow [17:53] * apachelogger_ heads off for a meeting [17:53] <apachelogger_> smell you later :P [17:54] <smarter> So I put myself as "Uploader"? [17:54] <jpatrick> not needed [18:01] <smarter> uploaded ;) [18:02] <jpatrick> let me see... [18:12] <ScottK> smarter and apachelogger_: Maintainer should probably be Kubuntu Developers [18:13] <jpatrick> smarter: Homepage under Standards-Version could be good too :) [18:13] <smarter> jpatrick: yes [18:13] <smarter> there's a problem with the version I uploaded to revu [18:13] <smarter> the /usr/share/icons/oxy-* directories are empty :/ [18:14] <smarter> oh I see why [18:14] <smarter> i forgot to rename the oxygen-cursors-* files ... [18:14] <smarter> so I put Kubuntu Developers as maintener? [18:15] <jpatrick> smarter: "is licensed under the GPLv3" and not: (at your option) any later version? :) [18:15] <ScottK> And you can put yourself as XSBC-Original-Maintainer: (I think that's it) if you want. [18:15] <smarter> jpatrick: I just copy-pasted the LICENSE file [18:15] <ScottK> And use The kubuntu-devel ML for the maintainer mailing address. [18:16] <jpatrick> smarter: ok :) [18:17] <smarter> for the homepage I put ruphy's blog or the git repository? [18:18] <jpatrick> oxygen-icons.org/ ? [18:19] <smarter> jpatrick: good idea ;) [18:22] <smarter> jpatrick: Now, I just have to debuild -S and upload or should I make a new revision? [18:23] <jpatrick> smarter: no [18:23] <jpatrick> smarter: new revision is just if it's in ubuntu [18:23] <smarter> revu handle packages with same revisions? [18:24] <stdin> yes, revu will keep track of uploads itself [18:24] <DSW_ZeRo_84745> Hallo [18:24] <smarter> stdin: ok, thanks [18:24] <jpatrick> hello DSW_ZeRo_84745 [18:24] <DSW_ZeRo_84745> hi [18:24] <nixternal> shouldn't the icons go into /usr/lib/kde4/share/icons? [18:25] <smarter> "Checksum doesn't match for /home/smarter/Builds/oxygen/oxygen-cursor-theme_0.1~git080116-0ubuntu1.dsc" [18:25] <smarter> hu? [18:25] <jpatrick> smarter: try debuild -S -sa-ing it again [18:26] <smarter> nixternal: no, 'cause it's not kde4-specific [18:26] <smarter> people using kde3 may want to use it [18:26] <nixternal> I thought just like the Oxygen Icons you couldn't use them in KDE 3...hey, learning something new every day [18:26] <smarter> jpatrick: doesn't work :/ [18:26] <nixternal> thought they went through a naming rechange as well [18:27] <smarter> they work fine on my kde3 box [18:27] <nixternal> when are they supposed to be released officially? [18:28] <mhb> nixternal: aren't they already? [18:28] <smarter> nixternal: apachelogger said that he will talk to ruphy about releasing [18:28] <nixternal> they aren't in kdelibs with the rest of the Oxygen theme stuff [18:28] <mhb> nixternal: I'm pretty sure you're free to use them wherever you want [18:29] <smarter> there's already a tarball on ruphy's blog [18:29] <nixternal> no, reason I am asking is because when they do get released, they will become a part of the kdelibs package [18:29] <mhb> ah [18:31] <jpatrick> smarter: sweet, package works [18:32] <smarter> jpatrick: I didn't uploaded the fixed version [18:32] <smarter> oh it worked [18:33] <jpatrick> smarter: I'm using the ~ppa3 one [18:33] <smarter> jpatrick: ok [18:33] <smarter> I think I managed to upload a new version to revu [18:34] <smarter> nah, it still says checksum doesn't match :/ [18:34] <jpatrick> evil :/ [18:35] <smarter> I removed everything but .orig.tar.gz and the directory and it worked :} [18:35] <smarter> bbl [19:27] <smarter> Since I install kde4 packages, kde3 launch by default kde4 apps [19:27] <smarter> for example, if I click on a link in Konversation it will open in konqueror4 [19:28] <jpatrick> yep, known bug :( [19:28] <smarter> At least, it forces me to use more kde4 apps :P [19:28] * jpatrick just uses KDE4 [19:29] <smarter> I'll use it if it was faster [19:30] * stdin should run "sudo apt-get update" more [19:30] <stdin> Fetched 17.1MB in 1min6s (257kB/s) === rdieter is now known as rdieter_away === DaSkreech_ is now known as DaSkreech [21:05] <ryanakca> mhb: "11:14:44 #kubuntu-devel: < emonkey> ryanakca, news about the mockup is out since lunchtime (europe)" [21:05] <emonkey> hm? [21:05] <ryanakca> emonkey: ping, was the blurb you sent your people in german? or could you also forward it to ubuntu-weekly news? [21:06] <ryanakca> emonkey: this morning he told me "07:38:35 #kubuntu-devel: < mhb> ryanakca: I get the feeling that the message did not get to many interested ears" [21:06] <ryanakca> emonkey: so I showed him what you told me :) [21:06] <emonkey> ryanakca, yes its in german [21:06] <erable> Hi, [21:07] <ryanakca> emonkey: ok, I'll write one up myself then [21:07] <erable> I have a problem with my package on Hardy: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=qdevelop [21:08] <emonkey> ryanakca, maybe you could ask txwikinger, but my english is too bad to do it. and beside, I've got exams atm, so I try to learn as much as possible and not to do other things ... [21:09] <ryanakca> hehe, I'm in the same situation, exams next week and the week after :) [21:09] <ryanakca> will to [21:09] <txwikinger> yes? [21:09] <ryanakca> s/to/do/ [21:09] <erable> qdevelop depends sqlite [21:09] <erable> On gutsy, libqt4-dev require libqt4-sql and libqt4-sql require sqlite: [21:09] <ryanakca> txwikinger: umm, mind translating the blurb that emonkey wrote for the news? [21:10] <txwikinger> if it is not too long... I am not feeling too well atm [21:10] <txwikinger> where is it? [21:10] <emonkey> ryanakca, I didn't write anything I jsut asked if someone could do it ;) [21:10] <ryanakca> emonkey: ? [21:10] <emonkey> ryanakca, our news team wrote it [21:10] <ryanakca> (I don't read / understand german, so I'd be at loss as to where to find it... link for txwikinger ... ) [21:10] <emonkey> I only asked them [21:11] <emonkey> txwikinger, er meint das mockup news auf unserer Seite [21:11] <emonkey> er will es an den UWN senden [21:11] <txwikinger> Designer Wettbewerb? [21:11] <emonkey> jap [21:11] <txwikinger> ah ok [21:11] <mhb> ich kann's auch machen [21:11] <emonkey> txwikinger, ich kann es sonst morgen versuchen, aber mein english ist naja [21:12] <txwikinger> ryanakca: how shall I get it to you, or should I just insert it to the UWN? [21:12] <ryanakca> txwikinger: either or, whichever is easiest for you ;) [21:12] <txwikinger> I can put it into the UWN [21:12] <ryanakca> txwikinger: okies, thanks a lot :) [21:12] <txwikinger> However, I suggest that it refers back to the article in kubuntu.org [21:13] <txwikinger> for the image etc [21:13] <ryanakca> Riddell: Hmm... I don't suppose the mockup contest would be considered newsworthy enough for kubuntu.org? [21:13] <mhb> ryanakca: you could try the artwork team, but those people are often very bike-shedding [21:13] <ryanakca> bike-shedding? [21:13] <mhb> meaning they start arguing over some minor detail or the fact that it is not Kubuntu and in the end nothing gets done [21:13] <mhb> err, it is not Ubuntu [21:14] <ryanakca> ah [21:14] <mhb> but it's worth a try I guess [21:14] <txwikinger> I heard that the art team has nothing to do with art ;) [21:15] <mhb> txwikinger: they submit mockups quite often [21:15] <mhb> very few of them gets implemented [21:15] * ryanakca nods ... [21:15] <txwikinger> well.. I don't know.. I just heard [21:15] <ryanakca> anything artwork related tends to result in a lot of bickering :) [21:16] <txwikinger> I guess the best is to create the article in english on kubuntu-de.org and to write a summary for UWN [21:16] <ryanakca> txwikinger: sure. You can find the original here http://blog.ryanak.ca/archives/44 [21:16] <txwikinger> this can also be announced on kubuntu.org then [21:16] * ryanakca nods [21:17] <txwikinger> ok thanks [21:48] <apachelogger_> re [21:48] <apachelogger_> <-- slightly drunk :P [21:48] <Nightrose> wb :) [21:48] <apachelogger_> thx [21:49] <emonkey> apachelogger_, sansgrüsst [21:49] <apachelogger_> ScottK: nope, that set is aimed to be desktop independant, so it make sense to have ubuntu motu as maintainer... also ruphy is working on a fdo cursor spec [21:49] <apachelogger_> emonkey: servas [21:50] <ScottK> apachelogger_: OK then MOTU it is. [21:52] <apachelogger_> hm [21:52] <apachelogger_> somehow smarter didn't upload the orig.tar.gz :| [22:10] <mhb> ryanakca: ping [22:10] <ryanakca> pong [22:10] <coreymon77> blah [22:11] <mhb> ryanakca: you wouldn't mind if I made a mockup too, right? [22:11] <ryanakca> haha, nope, the more the merrier :) [22:11] <coreymon77> what are we talking about [22:12] <ryanakca> coreymon77: Kubuntu Website Mockup Contest, submit your mockups :D [22:13] <nixternal> what do I win? [22:13] <nixternal> I mean if I were to win :p [22:13] <apachelogger_> nixternal: karma [22:14] <nixternal> hopefully good karma, I need some to alleviate all of the bad karma :) [22:14] <mhb> nixternal: <blackhumour>the winner gets to die</blackhumour> [22:14] <nixternal> YES! [22:14] <apachelogger_> -.- [22:15] <nixternal> I am down then :) [22:15] * apachelogger_ goes on bug hunt [22:15] <mhb> nixternal: we're all winners in this one [22:15] <mhb> apachelogger_: catch 'em all! [22:15] <nixternal> hahaha, sounds like a telethon call [22:19] * apachelogger_ doesn't get it [22:19] <mhb> apachelogger_: you never had it [22:19] <mhb> .o) [22:20] <mhb> or was it "I lost it..." [22:20] <mhb> man [22:20] * mhb lost it [22:20] <apachelogger_> bug 182077 should be fixed in http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=757612 [22:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182077 in kdebase-workspace "multiple desktop-icons in kde4" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182077 [22:22] <apachelogger_> well [22:22] <apachelogger_> too tired [22:23] * apachelogger_ turns off mouse potato mode and turns on couch potato mode [22:26] <mhb> ryanakca: no, I rather give up [22:26] <mhb> it's no use [22:26] <mhb> I never design anything worth noting :o) [22:28] <mhb> ryanakca: I always end up reinventing what we already have, with just small modifications [22:45] <crimsun> what is kubuntu 8.04 going to use as the underlying audio substrate? [22:49] <ryanakca> mhb: ouch [23:22] <ryanakca> no more "switch user" in hardy? [23:24] <stdin> huh? [23:33] <ryanakca> stdin: start, there used to be a switch session, etc [23:34] <stdin> yes, I still have it [23:34] <stdin> 3rd option up, after "Log Out..." and "Lock Session" |