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1ham	easy_ham	"URL: http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/000640\nDate: 2002-10-06T21:28:33-06:00\n\nTed Rall: My Government Went to Afghanistan and All I Got Was This Stupid \nPipeline[1] \n\nSummary: The US begun planning courting the Taliban for permission to build an \noil pipeline since 1997. We even flew Mullah Omar to Texas to try and convince \nhim. After it was clear that wouldn't work, we threatened to bomb them and \nbegun attacking on a smaller scale for a year before 9-11. We already planned \nto invade two months before the attacks. While it's not clear they knew about \n9-11 it certainly provided a convenient cover for their plans. \n\nThree days after we started bombing, we begun official work on the pipeline \nKarzai, the Afghanistan president we installed (who incidentally used to work \nfor the oil company Unocal and was a former Talib) focused on the pipeline \nrather than rebuilding his torn country. Yet, the entire pipeline is unworkable \nbecause it's too expensive and will be sabotaged by warlords and Pakistan. \n\nBin Laden was essentially a venture capitalist: he funded attacks but didn't \ncarry them out. It's far more likely that an Egyptian group, Islamic Jihad, \ncarried out the attacks. If we wanted to stop the terrorists, we should have \ngone after them. If we wanted to stop anti-Americanism, we should have gone \nafter Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. Instead, our bombing created the perfect \nopportunity for Bin Laden to escape. Nor did we bother to stabilize \nAfghanistan, the country is as ruined as ever. \n\n\"Unfortunately, our government seized the moment as well, not to do good or \nright, but to take advantage--of our grief, of our naivete, of our lust for \njustice and vengeance. They did it to line the pockets of themselves and their \nfriends, to gain political and economic advantage for a tiny coterie of \ninfluential people. In doing so, they endangered the rest of us. They took \nadvantage of our ignorance about Islam, Caspian Sea oil and remote Central \nAsia. I have faith that the fundamental goodness of the American people will \ncause them to see what was done in their name, and to do something about it.\"\n\n\n\n[1] http://www.comicbookgalaxy.com/pipeline0.html\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"URL: http://www.newsisfree.com/click/-1,8622117,215/\nDate: 2002-10-07T03:52:59+01:00\n\nFrench ship burns off Yemen.\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"URL: http://www.newsisfree.com/click/-1,8622118,215/\nDate: 2002-10-07T03:52:58+01:00\n\n36 million pheasants now reared for Britain's fastest growing 'sport'.\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"URL: http://www.newsisfree.com/click/-1,8628741,215/\nDate: 2002-10-07T09:29:58+01:00\n\nPolitics: Stormont near collapse as Sinn Fein protests at allegations.\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"URL: http://boingboing.net/#85534676\nDate: Not supplied\n\nI spoke at the Mac OS X conference in Santa Clara last week. It was a really \nfun event, and it was great meeting a lot of people whom I previously knew only \nthrough email, like Rael Dornfest, Danny O'Brien, and Glenn Fleishman. Here's \nthe talk I gave. Link[1] Discuss[2]\n\n[1] http://boingboing.net/gadgets.html\n[2] http://www.quicktopic.com/16/H/SLVudz57pyHb\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"URL: http://boingboing.net/#85534853\nDate: Not supplied\n\nThis time around, we have _two, two, two_ Guestbloggers for the price of one. \nQuinn Norton and Danny O'Brien have agreed to fill the sidebar slot for a \nlittle while. Danny and Quinn and their rommie Gilbert are just about the most \nfun Bay Areans I've had the pleasure of hanging out with. Between the three of \nthem, they're capable of being entertaining on the subjects of Python, \ncopyright, pottery, usability (a conversation with Quinn about usability made \nit, almost verbatim, into my second novel \"Eastern Standard Tribe\"), \nload-balancing, free software, nerd culture, British cuisine, bodily ailments, \npregnancy... Well, you name it. I can't wait to see what they post! Discuss[1]\n\n[1] http://www.quicktopic.com/boing/H/NYtiY2fGTe3iE\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"URL: http://boingboing.net/#85534186\nDate: Not supplied\n\nSweatyFrog is a toy-review magazine/store, focusing on collectible toys with \ngreat, MegoSteve[1]-style erudite toy-otaku commentary. Toy_Design_Guru, who \nsuggested the link, recommends their occassional email newsletter as a \nmust-read. Link[2] Discuss[3] (_Thanks, Toy_Design_Guru!_)\n\n[1] http://www.megosteve.com\n[2] http://www.sweatyfrog.com/index2.html\n[3] http://www.quicktopic.com/boing/H/WhGgH4sXeVwJN\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"URL: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/news/20021007.html\nDate: Not supplied\n\nDelphi Questions[1], a new _Joel on Software_ discussion group.\n\n\n\n[1] http://discuss.fogcreek.com/delphiquestions\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"URL: http://www.newsisfree.com/click/-2,8655716,215/\nDate: 2002-10-08T03:30:50+01:00\n\nFeature: She has loved clothes with a passion all her life. And yet acclaimed \nauthor Linda Grant has never been to the collections - until now. So what \ndoes she make of the Paris shows?\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"URL: http://boingboing.net/#85534142\nDate: Not supplied\n\nFeorag writes from Scotland: \"You probably haven't heard of John Otway, but he \nhas a small and devoted following here. He did a limited issue CD and asked his \nfans to vote on which track _they'd_ like to see as a single. The one they \npicked just entered the UK charts at number 9! Bet that'll piss off the major \nrecord labels, especially as the marketing budget was probably about zero. I \nmight just watch Top of the Pops this week.\" Link[1] Discuss[2] (_Thanks, \nFeorag[3]!_)\n\n[1] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/2304155.stm\n[2] http://www.quicktopic.com/boing/H/qNF789XLAj4p7\n[3] http://www.antipope.org/feorag/e-prattle/\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"URL: http://www.oblomovka.com/entries/2002/10/07#1034055900\nDate: 2002-10-07T22:45:00-0700\n\n... for not updating: I'm doing the guestblog at Boing Boing[1]. Now to find an \nexcuse for missing last week.\n\n[1] http://www.boingboing.net/\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"URL: http://boingboing.net/#85534626\nDate: Not supplied\n\nAfter discovering an open wireless net available from his sofa, Steven \n\"Hackers\" Levy interviewed lawmen, academics and WiFi activists about the \nlegality and ethics of using open wireless access points. \n\n I downloaded my mail and checked media news on the Web. When I confessed \n this to FBI agent Bill Shore, he spared the handcuffs. \"The FBI wouldn't \n waste resources on that,\" he sniffed. Now I know that if it did, it would \n be hard to argue that I broke a law. What's more, I certainly didn't feel \n illegal. Because—and this is the point of all that war-driving and \n -chalking and node-stumbling—when you get used to wireless, the experience \n feels more and more like a God-given right. One day we may breathe \n bandwidth like oxygen—and arguing its illegality will be unthinkable. \n\nLink[1] Discuss[2] (_Thanks, Steven[3]!_)\n\n[1] http://www.msnbc.com/news/816606.asp\n[2] http://www.quicktopic.com/boing/H/f5ZpuJU5975K\n[3] http://www.echonyc.com/~steven/\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"URL: http://www.newsisfree.com/click/-2,8655712,215/\nDate: 2002-10-08T03:30:54+01:00\n\nMedicine and health: The discovery of the myriad little deaths which lead to \nlife brought the most coveted prize in world medicine to two Britons and an \nAmerican yesterday.\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"URL: http://www.newsisfree.com/click/-2,8655714,215/\nDate: 2002-10-08T03:30:52+01:00\n\nBusiness: The long-awaited recovery in Britain's manufacturing sector ground \nto a halt in August, despite a sharp rise in car production, official figures \nshowed yesterday.\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"URL: http://www.newsisfree.com/click/-1,8639021,1440/\nDate: Not supplied\n\nA new Japanese system allows palmtop computers to swap large amounts of data \nwhen their owners shake hands\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"URL: http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/000647\nDate: 2002-10-08T16:39:48-06:00\n\n=== Scissors === \n\nI, like most other people here, went through the security checkpoint. Unlike \neveryone else, they decided to search my suitcase. The security lady asked for \npermission and then took everything out: clothing, umbrellas, a jacket, and a \nbox of crackers. She searched all the pockets: nothing. Apparently the jacket \nwas suspicious; She sent it through again. Nothing. \n\n The lady in the next lane waved a 10-inch knife and asked the lady in my \n lane if it could go on. I can only assume she answered yes. \n\nShe put everything back in and sent it through again. Still suspicious. They \ntook everything out. It looked like this was going to take a while, so I used \nthe opportunity to put the tickets I was holding back in my bag. When I looked \nback up, the security woman was brandishing a scissors and saying \"This can't \ngo on board.\" \"I don't remember packing that,\" I said. I let her confiscate it. \n\nI called my Mom. She doesn't remember packing it either. Is there some sort of \nterrorist plot to plant scissors in innocent-looking people's suitcases? I \ncan't see why this would be useful. How would they know what plane I'm on? Once \nI'm on the plane how would they get the scissors? They could threaten me, but \nif they have a threatening implement already, then why do they need the \nscissors? Perhaps it's some sort of Matroishca-doll system. They use their \nfists to get the infant to give them the squeaky mouse, they use the squeaky \nmouse to scare the toddler into giving them a copy of _A New Kind of Science_, \nthey use ANKS to bludgeon a 5th Grader into giving them a wedge block, and they \nuse the wedge to get me to give them the scissors. Those are some pretty clever \nterrorists. \n\nUpdate: False alarm. My Mom called. Apparently it was the scissors she was \nusing to cut loose threads from my tie last night. It must have fallen in. The \nnation can go back to Yellow Level Terrorist Alert. \n\n=== Waiting for Wireless === \n\nNow I am at O'Hare Airport, sitting outside the Admiral's Club while \nbusinessmen walk in and out. I am looking for a wireless signal, the signal I \nused last time I was here, but not finding it. Of course, last time I was here, \nI had an Admiral's Club card. This time I have a Mileage Plus Card, but despite \nthe airline ologopoly--or perhaps because of it (have to keep up appearances, \nyou know)--I doubt they will accept it. \n\n=== Irony === \n\nAccording to the announcement I just heard, Mr. Valenti is going to miss his \nflight. \n\nI think of what I'd say if I ran into him. \"Jack!\" I'd exclaim, as if we were \nold pals. \"Going to the Eldred case?\" Of course he was. \"Going to be a good \none.\" \"Hey, remember when you had that debate with Lessig?\" I'd ask. \"You said \nyou were starting a new task force to make movies legitimately available on the \nInternet. What ever happened to that?\" I imagine him mumbling and looking down \nat his watch. His plane is going to leave soon; he has to run. \n\nAnother announcement: Mr. Michael McKenna needs to call his office. Good thing \nthese airline announcements keep me up to date. \n\n=== Automatic Flush Toilets === \n\nNow I am short and the sensing system was mounted up tall in both instances. In \nthe first, at my old high school (where you think some people might be a little \nshort...), the flush went off once accidentally. OK, I thought, I can handle \none mistake. Then it went off again. Here at the airport, it misfired three \ntimes. \n\nThis is annoying and inexcusable. Have they not heard of user testing? Do they \nexpect only tall people to use these bathrooms? This problem must be remedied \nimmediately. I recommend releasing a Service Pack on the manufacturer's web \nsite. \n\n=== Arrival === \n\nI've arrived in D.C.--once again, I'm sitting a block away from my hotel on the \nsidewalk borrowing someone's connection. Trip was very smooth, had lunch with \nLisa and went to the Spy Museum (pretty cool, but could have been better). Now \nfor the meetings and parties. \n\nSorry for not responding to your email. I'm rather busy. ;-)\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"URL: http://boingboing.net/#85539452\nDate: Not supplied\n\n[IMG: http://www.konaweb.com/stick/left.jpg] I often carry my ukulele with me \non planes. The case is so little it can fit in my suit case. I missed a great \nphoto opportunity when I was in the airport a couple of weeks ago, and saw \nsomeone checking on a standup bass fiddle. It was in a huge plastic Darth Vader \nshipping case. The _buckles_ on the thing were about the size of my uke. I \nshould have taken a picture of my uke and the bass side-by-side. Anyway, here's \na stand-up bass that looks much more portable: the Kona Walkingstick. You still \nneed to carry around an amp, though. Link[1] Discuss[2] _(Thanks, Prentiss[3]!)\n_\n\n\n[1] http://www.konaweb.com/stick/index.shtml\n[2] http://www.quicktopic.com/17/H/EDukecyrhdW\n[3] http://boingboing.net/http://www.io.com/~riddle/\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"URL: http://www.newsisfree.com/click/-3,8688973,215/\nDate: 2002-10-09T03:15:18+01:00\n\nUK latest: Met blocks Brian Paddick returning to his job as commander of \nLambeth by appointing him to another post.\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"URL: http://www.newsisfree.com/click/-3,8688976,215/\nDate: 2002-10-09T03:15:14+01:00\n\nFootball: It's a safe bet that Kurt Cobain hated sports. And when you look at \nthe England football team, it's difficult not to agree with him, writes Steven \nWells.\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"URL: http://www.newsisfree.com/click/-3,8688972,215/\nDate: 2002-10-09T03:15:19+01:00\n\nAt 155 metres, Anish Kapoor's sculpture is one of the world's largest.\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"URL: http://www.newsisfree.com/click/-3,8688975,215/\nDate: 2002-10-09T03:15:16+01:00\n\nTory conference: Thatcherites cheer former chairman's housing plans.\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"URL: http://www.newsisfree.com/click/-2,8666353,215/\nDate: 2002-10-08T12:47:59+01:00\n\nCartoon: Steve Bell on the Conservative party conference.\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, David Neary wrote:\n\n> > Actually the following would be in some way sensible:\n> > echo -e \"`echo \"$enc\" \| sed 's/%\$[0-9a-fA-F]\\{2,2\\}\$/\\\\\\x\\1/g'`\"\n> \n> Why {2,2}? Why not {2}?\n\nno idea.\n\nthe above was something along the lines i was attempting, once i \nrealised it was a straight swap. but i couldnt get awk's gensub to \ninsert the \\x for %'s and ='s.\n\nanyway, in the end i found something on the internet and adapted it:\n\nfunction decode_url (str, hextab,i,c,c1,c2,len,code) {\n\n # hex to dec lookup table\n hextab [\"0\"] = 0; hextab [\"8\"] = 8;\n hextab [\"1\"] = 1; hextab [\"9\"] = 9;\n hextab [\"2\"] = 2; hextab [\"A\"] = 10;\n hextab [\"3\"] = 3; hextab [\"B\"] = 11;\n hextab [\"4\"] = 4; hextab [\"C\"] = 12;\n hextab [\"5\"] = 5; hextab [\"D\"] = 13;\n hextab [\"6\"] = 6; hextab [\"E\"] = 14;\n hextab [\"7\"] = 7; hextab [\"F\"] = 15;\n\n decoded = \"\";\n i = 1;\n len = length (str);\n while ( i <= len ) {\n c = substr (str, i, 1);\n # check for usual start of URI hex encoding chars\n if ( c == \"%\" \|\| c == \"=\" ) {\n if ( i+2 <= len ) {\n # valid hex encoding?\n c1 = toupper(substr(str, i+1, 1));\n c2 = toupper(substr(str, i+2, 1));\n if ( !(hextab [c1] == \"\" && hextab [c2] == \"\") ) {\n code = 0 + hextab [c1] * 16 + hextab [c2] + 0\n c = sprintf (\"%c\", code)\n i = i + 2\n }\n }\n # + is space apparently\n } else if ( c == \"+\" ) {\n c = \" \"\n }\n decoded = decoded c;\n ++i;\n }\n return decoded\n}\n\n> Cheers,\n> Dave.\n\n> PS the late reply is because the footer on the original mail (If\n> you received this mail in error yadda yadda) got caught in my\n> spam filter, and ended up in my junkmail directory.\n\nhe he...\n\nmight not have been the footer - check my headers. :)\n\nregards,\n-- \nPaul Jakma\tpaul@clubi.ie\tpaul@jakma.org\tKey ID: 64A2FF6A\n\twarning: do not ever send email to spam@dishone.st\nFortune:\nOne nuclear bomb can ruin your whole day.\n\n\n-- \nIrish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie\nhttp://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information.\nList maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"URL: http://diveintomark.org/archives/2002/10/09.html#six\nDate: 2002-10-09T19:54:41-05:00\n\nActually, 5.6. I clocked my “long loop” today and discovered that \nthe run I thought was 6 miles is actually only 5.6. And the “short \nloop” I thought was 5 miles is actually only 4.6. I have an off-by-0.4 \nbug. This is very upsetting. I've lost 0.4 miles somewhere. If anyone finds \nthem, can you please let me know? Thank you. \n\nI ran 9 miles last week, and 10 so far this week, even taking into account my \noff-by-0.4 bug. I fear I am turning into a runner. My father and I made fun of \nrunners when I was growing up. He used to say that you never saw a runner \nsmiling. We'd drive by runners, point at them, and say, “Look, another \nrunner... not smiling!” This weighed heavily on my psyche in my formative \nyears. So it is with some measure of shame that I admit that I am becoming a \nrunner. \n\nBecoming a runner is actually not that difficult. Not surprisingly, it involves \nrunning. There's other stuff, too, eventually, but running is the important \npart. If you can run a mile, run a mile. If you can only run around the block, \nrun around the block. Tomorrow you'll run around the block, and the next day \nyou'll find you can run around two blocks. And next week you'll find you can \nrun a mile. Then one day you'll run a mile, then stop to catch your breath, \nthen get invigorated and run another mile. \n\nAnd then you're a runner. That's it, really. It's not complicated. You run, and \nyou run, and you run. And one day, you discover that shoes are important, and \nthat the old sneakers you threw on the first time you tried out this running \nthing out aren't actually very good for running. So you go buy new shoes, and \nyou run, and you run, and you run. And later, you discover that stretching is \nimportant too, so you stretch and run, and stretch and run, and stretch and \nrun. \n\nThere's other stuff too, but it doesn't really matter until you're already a \nrunner. You learn about differences in running surfaces. And how many miles you \nshould really put on one pair of shoes. And when in the day you should run to \nmaximize calorie burning. And how to train for a marathon, and so forth. Don't \nworry about any of that now. Just run. Running is key. Otherwise you're just \nanother fat schmuck lying on the couch reading _Runner's World_.\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"URL: http://www.newsisfree.com/click/-3,8702434,215/\nDate: 2002-10-09T14:04:56+01:00\n\nRome dispatch: Italy's 'post-fascist' National Alliance is behind two \ncontroversial attempts to commemorate the country's military past, writes \nPhilip Willan.\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Might just take a trip over there later tomorrow, it is after all only\non my backdoor-step...\n\nE.\n\n\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: ilug-admin@linux.ie [mailto:ilug-admin@linux.ie] On Behalf Of\nRonan Waide\nSent: 27 August 2002 21:19\nTo: ILUG list\nSubject: [ILUG] doolin\n\n\nIf you're not in Doolin, beg, borrow, or steal your way there before the\nLBW folk depart. It's far too much fun.\n\nCheers,\nWaider. Just back.\n-- \nwaider@waider.ie / Yes, it /is/ very personal of me.\n\"...we are in fact well and truly doomed. She says that if I leave now, \n I can probably get a good head start before they realize that I'm\ngone.\"\n - Jamie Zawinski\n\n-- \nIrish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie\nhttp://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription\ninformation. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie\n\n\n-- \nIrish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie\nhttp://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information.\nList maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"URL: http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/000230.html\nDate: 2002-10-09T22:10:38-08:00\n\nI'll be in Ohio this weekend for a family gathering, so I'll be missing Fleet \nWeek (Google can't find a good \"official site\"). Damn. I've wanted to see the \nBlue Angles again. Wow, that site sucks. And Google couldn't find...\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"URL: http://www.newsisfree.com/click/-4,8723994,215/\nDate: 2002-10-10T03:26:57+01:00\n\nWorld latest: Warning to next PM as Pakistan goes to the polls.\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"URL: http://www.newsisfree.com/click/-4,8723997,215/\nDate: 2002-10-10T03:26:54+01:00\n\nArts: Curators despair at 'shortfall' in chancellor's funding.\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"URL: http://www.newsisfree.com/click/-4,8723998,215/\nDate: 2002-10-10T03:26:53+01:00\n\nBusiness: Powergen yesterday shut down a quarter of its generating capacity.\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"URL: http://www.newsisfree.com/click/-4,8724000,215/\nDate: 2002-10-10T03:26:51+01:00\n\nMoney: Government admits millions may have to work on beyond 65.\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"use Perl Daily Newsletter\n\nIn this issue:\n * .NET and Perl, Working Together\n\n+--------------------------------------------------------------------+\n\| .NET and Perl, Working Together \|\n\| posted by pudge on Tuesday August 27, @09:17 (links) \|\n\| http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/08/27/1317253 \|\n+--------------------------------------------------------------------+\n\n[0]jonasbn writes \"DevX has brought an article on the subject of [1]Perl\nand .NET and porting existing code. The teaser: Learn how CPAN Perl\nmodules can be made automatically available to the .NET framework. The\ntechnique involves providing small PerlNET mediators between Perl and\n.NET and knowing when, where, and how to modify.\"\n\nDiscuss this story at:\n http://use.perl.org/comments.pl?sid=02/08/27/1317253\n\nLinks:\n 0. mailto:jonasbn@io.dk\n 1. http://www.devx.com/dotnet/articles/ym81502/ym81502-1.asp\n\n\n\nCopyright 1997-2002 pudge. All rights reserved.\n\n\n======================================================================\n\nYou have received this message because you subscribed to it\non use Perl. To stop receiving this and other\nmessages from use Perl, or to add more messages\nor change your preferences, please go to your user page.\n\n\thttp://use.perl.org/my/messages/\n\nYou can log in and change your preferences from there.\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Martin A posted:\nTassos Papadopoulos, the Greek sculptor behind the plan, judged that the\n limestone of Mount Kerdylio, 70 miles east of Salonika and not far from the\n Mount Athos monastic community, was ideal for the patriotic sculpture. \n \n As well as Alexander's granite features, 240 ft high and 170 ft wide, a\n museum, a restored amphitheatre and car park for admiring crowds are\nplanned\n---------------------\nSo is this mountain limestone or granite?\nIf it's limestone, it'll weather pretty fast.\n\n------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~-->\n4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now\nhttp://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/7gSolB/TM\n---------------------------------------------------------------------~->\n\nTo unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:\nforteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com\n\n \n\nYour use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ \n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	["> From: \"J. W. Ballantine\" <jwb@homer.att.com>\n> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:51:31 -0400\n>\n> I CVS'ed the unseen/Sequences changes and installed them, and have only one \n> real issue.\n> \n> I use the unseen window rather than the exmh icon, and with the new code\n> I can't seem to be able to. How many unseen when when I have the main window open\n> is not really necessary.\n\nhmmm, I stole the code from unseenwin, but I never tested it since I don't use \nthat functionality. Consider it on my list of things to check.\n\nChris\n\n-- \nChris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/\nvirCIO http://www.virCIO.Com\n716 Congress, Suite 200\nAustin, TX 78701\t\t+1 512 374 0500\n\n World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers.\n\n\n\n", "…"]
1ham	easy_ham	["Bill Stoddard wrote:\n\n>>No one likes commercial spam. \n>> \n>>\n>And no one like unsolicited political spam. End of story.\n>\n>Bill \n>http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork\n> \n>\nExcept perhaps for the people in charge.\nOwen\n\nhttp://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105-954903.html\n\n\nPolitical spam on your cell phone?\nBy Lisa M. Bowman <mailto:lisa.bowman@cnet.com>\nSpecial to ZDNet News\nAugust 22, 2002, 12:05 PM PT\nURL: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105-954909.html \n<%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105-954909.html%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20> \n\n\nIn a decision that treats text messaging on mobile phones essentially \nthe same as bumper stickers, the Federal Election Commission has \ndeclared that senders of text-based political ads don't have to disclose \nwho funded them.\n\nIn an advisory opinion issued Thursday, the FEC also suggested such \nmessages include either a phone number or Web site link, so people could \neasily learn who paid for the message. However, the additional \ninformation won't be required.\n\nThe opinion could encourage the adoption of text-based political ads, as \ncampaign experts look for new technological ways to sway voters. At the \nsame time, opponents of the plan fear it could lead to anonymous \npolitical spam.\n\nTarget Wireless, a small New Jersey-based wireless media company, had \nasked the FEC for an opinion on the matter, saying that requiring \nfinancial disclosures on short messaging service (SMS) mailings would \nuse up too much of the 160 character-maximum.\n\nPolitical messages on bumper stickers and buttons are also exempt from \nthe financial disclosure requirement. Target Wireless' petition was \nsupported by the National Republican Senatorial Committee, the Cellular \nTelecommunications and Internet Association, and some advertising trade \ngroups.\n\nFEC spokesman Bob Biersack said the opinion was in keeping with the \ncommission's policy not to meddle with new technology that has the \npotential to reach more voters.\n\n\"We have tried very hard not to get in the way--particularly before \neveryone understands how the technology is going to work,\" he said.\n\nOpponents of the plan have worried the exemption might encourage spam or \nallow senders to blast people with mass amounts of negative political \nmessages while remaining anonymous.\n\nBiersack said the FEC can revisit the issue if those problems surface.\n\nTarget Wireless President Craig Krueger characterized the opinion as \n\"good for America.\"\n\n\"It will allow people to receive more communication from those running \nfor office,\" he said. \"We have free speech on our side.\"\n\n\n\n"]
1ham	easy_ham	"At 8:43 PM -0700 8/21/02, Ed Greenberg wrote:\n>At 11:19 PM 8/20/2002 -0700, dan@dankohn.com wrote:\n>\n>>The nature of our patent is about putting a warrant mark in RFC 2822\n>>X-headers (or in the body) to allow senders to warrant their mail as\n>>not-spam, and then to use copyright and trademark infringement to\n>>enable Habeas to enforce that warranty.\n\nWhy is it that I envision Verisign doing something like this. Yeah, \nlike I want Verisign to sign all my spam, er, mail for me. Pay them \nenough and they'd probably sign spam too. ;)\n\nJ\n-- \n\n--\nJustin Shore, ES-SS ES-SSR Pittsburg State University\nNetwork & Systems Manager http://www.pittstate.edu/ois/\n\n\n-------------------------------------------------------\nThis sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old\ncell phone? Get a new here for FREE!\nhttps://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390\n_______________________________________________\nSpamassassin-talk mailing list\nSpamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net\nhttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Matthew Cline wrote:\n\n> On Tuesday 20 August 2002 07:57 pm, Harold Hallikainen wrote:\n> > http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,54645,00.html\n> \n> Summary: a company will offer short snippets of original, copyrighted\n> and trademarked text that can be inserted into email message headers,\n> and email filters can recognize this as a \"not-spam\" indicator. Any\n> spammers who use the text will be sued for copyright and trademark\n> infringement.\n\nThey may be in for a patent fight before any of this goes forward:\n\nhttp://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,476558,00.asp\n\n\"Banking on the fact that few enterprises sending commercial mail want to \nbe associated with spam, IronPort Systems Inc., in San Bruno, Calif., has \ndeveloped the Bonded Sender program in an effort to give legitimate bulk \ne-mailers some credibility.\"\n\n\n\n-------------------------------------------------------\nThis sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old\ncell phone? Get a new here for FREE!\nhttps://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390\n_______________________________________________\nSpamassassin-talk mailing list\nSpamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net\nhttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Suppose I created a rule that was in this form:\n\nbody RULE_NAME /text to delete/d\n\nWould the \"/d\" delete this text from the body and mask it from the rest of the \nrules? If so - I'm thinking about applying it to Yahoo and SN and Juno ads so \nthat FPs are reduced.\n\n\n\n-------------------------------------------------------\nThis sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old\ncell phone? Get a new here for FREE!\nhttps://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390\n_______________________________________________\nSpamassassin-devel mailing list\nSpamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net\nhttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"At 3:59 PM +0100 8/22/02, Justin Mason wrote:\n>Justin Shore said:\n>\n>> I just ran across a false positive that scored 8.6. The message was\n>> a solicited ad from Apple.com on educator deals. I can send a copy\n>> if anyone wants it.\n>\n>Yes, please do send it on, and I'll add it to the non-spam corpus.\n\nTo any particular address? I checked the lists page but didn't see \nan address to see a FP to.\n\n>To date, the scores evolved by SpamAssassin are very biased towards\n>non-HTML, non-newsletter-ish mail. This release should be different, as\n>I've been spending the last month signing up a \"nonspamtrap\" to every\n>legit newsletter I can find ;)\n\nThat's understandable. HTML mail is the worst thing since female \nshoe sales at the mall. ;-) Signup for the cruisercustomizing.com \nnewsletter. Great place to find and review motorcycle parts. :)\n\n>This should mean that tests which match common-enough newsletter practices\n>will no longer get such high scores once we re-run the GA.\n\nSound pretty slick. If I come across any more legit newsletters, \nI'll send them your way.\n\nThanks for the info\n Justin\n-- \n\n--\nJustin Shore, ES-SS ES-SSR Pittsburg State University\nNetwork & Systems Manager http://www.pittstate.edu/ois/\n\n\n-------------------------------------------------------\nThis sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old\ncell phone? Get a new here for FREE!\nhttps://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390\n_______________________________________________\nSpamassassin-talk mailing list\nSpamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net\nhttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Interesting. It's possible, of course, that the shitty economy \nis hurting the spammers as much as anyone else. But if you've \nbeen aggressively reporting, then it could just be that. Could \nbe your upstream ISP is being more aggressive too...\n\nC\n\nOn Wednesday, August 21, 2002, at 05:02 PM, Karsten M. Self wrote:\n\n> ...what these plots don't show is the drop from ~55 \n> mails/daily to ~30\n> daily that I've seen at work, since 1st week of May, when spam receipts\n> peaked. Not sure if it's aggressive reporting that's getting us off\n> lists, or if other people are seeing similar.\n\n\n\n-------------------------------------------------------\nThis sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old\ncell phone? Get a new here for FREE!\nhttps://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390\n_______________________________________________\nSpamassassin-talk mailing list\nSpamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net\nhttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"\nTheo Van Dinter said:\n\n> > nonspam-theo.log\n> \n> Hmmm. I did re-run mass-check and resubmit... I sort the log by score,\n> so the timestamp is at the end:\n\nah, OK. didn't see that.\n\n--j.\n\n\n-------------------------------------------------------\nThis sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old\ncell phone? Get a new here for FREE!\nhttps://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390\n_______________________________________________\nSpamassassin-devel mailing list\nSpamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net\nhttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"At 1:16 PM -0400 8/22/02, Theo Van Dinter wrote:\n>On Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 07:05:33PM +0200, Malte S. Stretz wrote:\n>> Ummm... has somebody noticed that spamassassin-sightings is the fourth most\n>> active list for this month on [1]? There is more sighting than talk and\n>> devel together ;-)\n>\n>hmmm. do people know that they should only send false negatives there?\n>either there's a lot of stuff SA is missing, or some people are just\n>sending all their spam there.\n\nI've sent in some spam that either didn't score or scored practically \nnothing, like below 5. I figure that most people run at 5 so if it \nscores less than that, a rule needs to be honed to catch it.\n\nJustin\n-- \n\n--\nJustin Shore, ES-SS ES-SSR Pittsburg State University\nNetwork & Systems Manager http://www.pittstate.edu/ois/\n\n\n-------------------------------------------------------\nThis sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old\ncell phone? Get a new here for FREE!\nhttps://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390\n_______________________________________________\nSpamassassin-talk mailing list\nSpamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net\nhttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On Thu, 22 Aug 2002 the voices made Justin Mason write:\n\n> > The perl-module Mail::CheckUser implements a smtp-callback and I hope\n> > it might be integrated rather easily.\n> > Has this extension been discussed before (and perhaps rejected)?\n> > Or perhaps someone is already planning to implement it?\n> > Or would you be interested to integrate a smtp-callback-patch in\n> > SpamAssassin if contributed by my department? We would not be to happy\n> > about such a patch which we had to manage and integrate with SA in the\n> > future, but I believe a one-time contribution would be no problem.\n\n How'd this deal with you running SA on an account where all the mail from some\ndomain on another server ends up?\n\n\n\t/Tony\n-- \n# Per scientiam ad libertatem! // Through knowledge towards freedom! #\n# Genom kunskap mot frihet! == (c) 1999-2002 tony@svanstrom.com == #\n\n perl -e'print$_{$_} for sort%_=`lynx -dump svanstrom.com/t`'\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"No analysis yet... don't know what to make of it yet. But here's the raw \nbits for all to peruse and check out what's really going on... Best, \nRohit\n\n===========================================================\n\nDataPower delivers XML acceleration device\nBy Scott Tyler Shafer\nAugust 27, 2002 5:46 am PT\n\nDATAPOWER TECHNOLOGY ON Monday unveiled its network device designed \nspecifically to process XML data. Unlike competing solutions that \nprocess XML data in software, DataPower's device processes the data in \nhardware -- a technology achievement that provides greater performance, \naccording to company officials.\n\nThe new device, dubbed DataPower XA35 XML Accelerator, is the first in a \nfamily of products expected from the Cambridge, Mass.-based startup. The \nDataPower family is based on a proprietary processing core technology \ncalled XG3 that does the analysis, parsing, and processing of the XML \ndata.\n\nAccording to Steve Kelly, CEO of DataPower, the XA35 Accelerator was \nconceived to meet the steady adoption of XML, the anticipated future \nproliferation of Web services, and as a means to share data between two \nbusinesses.\n\n\"Our vision is to build out an XML-aware infrastructure,\" Kelly said. \n\"The XA35 is the first of a family.\"\n\nKelly explained that converting data into XML increases the file size up \nto 20 times. This, he said, makes processing the data very taxing on \napplication servers; DataPower believes an inline device is the best \nalternative.\n\nIn addition to the large file sizes, security is also of paramount \nimportance in the world of XML.\n\n\"Today's firewalls are designed to inspect HTTP traffic only,\" Kelly \nsaid. \"A SOAP packet with XML will go straight through a firewall. \nFirewalls are blind to XML today.\"\n\nFuture products in DataPowers family will focus more specifically on \nsecurity, especially as Web services proliferate, Kelly said.\n\nAccording to DataPower, most existing solutions to offload XML \nprocessing are homegrown and done in software -- an approach the company \nitself tried initially and found to be inadequate with regards to speed \nand security. After trying the software path, the company turned to \ncreating a solution that would process XML in hardware.\n\n\"Our XG3 execution core converts XML to machine code,\" said Kelly, \nadding that to his knowledge no other company's solution does. Kelly \nsaid in the next few months he expects the market to be flooded with \ntechnologies that claim to do XML processing -- claims that he believes \nwill be mostly false.\nOther content-aware switches, such as SSL (secure socket layer) \naccelerators and load balancers, look at the first 64 bytes of a packet, \nwhile the XA35 provides deeper packet inspection, looking at 1,400 bytes \nand thus enabling greater processing of XML data, Kelly explained.\n\nThe 1U-high network device has been tested against a large collection of \nXML and XSL data types and can learn new flavors of the markup language \nas they pass through the device.\n\nThe XA35 can be deployed in proxy mode behind a firewall and a load \nbalancer, and it will inspect all traffic that passes and will identify \nand process those packets that are XML, Kelly said.\n\nIn addition to proxy mode, the device can also be used as an application \nco-processor. This deployment method gives administrators more granular \ncontrol over what data is inspected and the application server itself \ncontrols the device.\n\nDataPower is not the only company chasing this emerging market. Startup \nSarvega, based in Burr Ridge, Ill., introduced the Sarvega XPE switch in \nMay, and earlier this month Tarari, an Intel spin-off, launched with a \nfocus on content processing and acceleration.\nThe DataPower device is now available, priced starting at $54,995. The \ncompany has announced one customer to date and says the product is in \nfield trails at a number of other enterprises.\n\n=========================================================================\n\nDataPower has been addressing enterprise networking needs since it was \nfounded in early 1999 by Eugene Kuznetsov, a technology visionary who \nforesaw the adverse effects XML and other next generation protocols \nwould have on enterprise networks. Long before industry interest in XML \ngrew, Kuznetsov assembled a team of world-class M.I.T. engineers and \ndesigned the industry's first solutions to address the unique \nrequirements for processing XML. The first such solution was a software \ninterpreter called DGXT. This software-based approach to XML processing \nis still licensed by many companies for use in their own products today.\n\nLeveraging the detailed knowledge and customer experience gained from \ndeveloping software-based accelerators, Kuznetsov's team raised the bar \nand designed a system for processing XML in purpose-built hardware. In \n2001, DataPower's effort produced XML Generation Three (XG3™), the \nindustry's fastest technology for XML processing, bar none.\n\nToday, XG3™ technology powers the industry's first wire-speed XML \nnetwork devices, enabling secure, high-speed applications and XML Web \nServices. While other companies are just now marketing first versions of \nproducts, DataPower is delivering its third generation of technology, \nproviding an immediate return on technology investments to \nindustry-leading customers and partners.\n\nDataPower's M.I.T. heritage is complemented by a management team that \nbrings decades of experience in the networking and computing industries, \ndrawing veteran leaders from several successful companies including \nAkamai, Argon, Cascade, Castle Networks, Sycamore and Wellfleet.\n\n=========================================================================\n\nDataPower Technology Secures $9.5 Million in Funding\n\nVenrock Associates, Mobius Venture Capital and Seed Capital Back Pioneer \nin XML-Aware Networking for Web Services\n\nCAMBRIDGE, Mass. - July 8, 2002 - DataPower Technology, Inc., the \nleading provider of XML-Aware network infrastructure, today announced \nthat it has secured $9.5 million in series B financing. Investors for \nthis round include Venrock Associates, Mobius Venture Capital and Seed \nCapital Partners. Michael Tyrrell, of Venrock, Bill Burnham, of Mobius, \nand Jeff Fagnan, of Seed Capital, have joined DataPower’s Board of \nDirectors.\n\nDataPower will use this funding to accelerate development, marketing and \nsales of the company’s breakthrough technology for XML-Aware networking. \nFounded in 1999, DataPower invented the world’s first intelligent XML \nnetworking devices, capable of transforming XML traffic and transactions \nat the wire-speed enterprises need to effectively embrace Web services \nand other XML-centric initiatives. DataPower’s solutions are based on \nits patent-pending XML Generation Three (XG3™) technology.\n\n\"Enterprises are adopting XML at rapid rate to facilitate inter-and \nintra-company communications but their network infrastructure is ill \nprepared to support the requirements of this new traffic type. \nDataPower’s XML-acceleration devices enable the wirespeed processing of \nXML that is required to support next generation enterprise \napplications,\" said Eugene Kuznetsov, CTO and founder of DataPower \nTechnology.\n\n\"DataPower gives companies the ability to use XML that’s critical to Web \nservices projects without sacrificing an ounce of performance.\" A single \nDataPower acceleration engine delivers the processing power of 10 \nservers—breaking the performance bottleneck associated with XML \nprocessing and delivering an extraordinary return on investment. In \naddition, the DataPower platform provides enhanced XML security, \nprotection against XML-based denial-of-service attacks, connection of \ne-business protocols for incompatible XML data streams, load balancing \nbetween back-end servers and real-time statistics reports.\n\n\"In the post-bubble economy, technology investment decisions require \nlaser-focused scrutiny. DataPower’s patent-pending technology addresses \na very real and growing pain point for enterprises,\" said Michael \nTyrrell of Venrock Associates. \"By turbo-charging their networks with \nDataPower’s unique XML-Aware networking technology, companies will be \nfree to adopt next generation Web services without encountering \nperformance and security pitfalls.\"\n\n\"We looked long and hard for a company capable of addressing the rapidly \ngrowing problems surrounding XML message processing performance and \nsecurity,\" said Bill Burnham of Mobius Venture Capital. \"DataPower is on \ntheir third generation of technology. Their patent pending XML \nGeneration Three (XG3) technology was quite simply the single most \ncompelling technology solution we have seen to date.\"\n\n\"XML is not a nice-to-have, it is a must have for enterprises serious \nabout optimizing application efficiency. Since 1999, DataPower has been \ndeveloping solutions to facilitate enterprise use of XML and Web \nservices,\" said Jeff Fagnan of Seed Capital Partners. \"DataPower’s \nXML-acceleration devices are a key requirement for enterprises that rely \non XML for mission critical applications.\"\n\nAbout Venrock Associates\nVenrock Associates was founded as the venture capital arm of the \nRockefeller Family and continues a tradition of funding entrepreneurs \nthat now spans over seven decades. Laurance S. Rockefeller pioneered \nearly stage venture financing in the 1930s. With over 300 investments \nover a span of more than 70 years, the firm has an established a track \nrecord of identifying and supporting promising early stage, technology- \nbased enterprises. As one of most experienced venture firms in the \nUnited States, Venrock maintains a tradition of collaboration with \ntalented entrepreneurs to establish successful, enduring companies. \nVenrock's continuing goal is to create long-term value by assisting \nentrepreneurs in building companies from the formative stages. Their \nconsistent focus on Information Technology and Life Sciences-related \nopportunities provides a reservoir of knowledge and a network of \ncontacts that have proven to be a catalyst for the growth of developing \norganizations. Venrock's investments have included CheckPoint Software, \nUSinternetworking, Caliper Technologies, Illumina, Niku, DoubleClick, \nMedia Metrix, 3COM, Intel, and Apple Computer. With offices in New York \nCity, Cambridge, MA, and Menlo Park, CA, Venrock is well positioned to \nrespond to opportunities in any locale. For more information on Venrock \nAssociates, please visit www.venrock.com\n\nAbout Mobius Venture Capital\nMobius Venture Capital, formerly SOFTBANK Venture Capital, is a $2.5 \nbillion U.S.-based private equity venture capital firm managed by an \nunparalleled team of former CEOs and entrepreneurs, technology pioneers, \nsenior executives from major technology corporations, and leaders from \nthe investment banking community. Mobius Venture Capital specializes \nprimarily in early-stage investments in the areas of: communications \nsystems software and services; infrastructure software and services; \nprofessional services; enterprise applications; healthcare informatics; \nconsumer and small business applications; components; and emerging \ntechnologies. Mobius Venture Capital combines its technology expertise \nand broad financial assets with the industry's best entrepreneurs to \ncreate a powerhouse portfolio of over 100 of the world's leading high \ntechnology companies. Mobius Venture Capital can be contacted by \nvisiting their web site www.mobiusvc.com.\n\nAbout Seed Capital Partners\nSeed Capital Partners is an early-stage venture fund affiliated with \nSoftBank Corporation, one of the world's leading Internet market forces. \nSeed Capital manages funds focused primarily on companies addressing \nInternet-enabled business-to-business digital information technology \nopportunities, which are located in the Northeastern U.S., the \nsoutheastern region of the Province of Ontario, Canada, and Israel. Seed \nCapital’s portfolio includes Spearhead Technologies, Concentric Visions \nand CompanyDNA. For more information on Seed Capital Partners, please \nvisit www.seedcp.com.\n\nAbout DataPower Technology\nDataPower Technology provides enterprises with intelligent XML-Aware \nnetwork infrastructure to ensure unparalleled performance, security and \nmanageability of next-generation protocols. DataPower’s patent-pending \nXML Generation Three (XG3™) technology powers the industry’s first \nwirespeed XML network devices, enabling secure, high-speed applications \nand XML Web Services. Founded in 1999, DataPower is now delivering its \nthird generation of technology, providing immediate return on technology \ninvestments to industry-leading customers and partners. DataPower is \nprivately held and based in Cambridge, MA. Investors include Mobius \nVenture Capital, Seed Capital Partners, and Venrock Associates.\n\nCONTACT:\n\nDataPower Technology, Inc.\nKieran Taylor\n617-864-0455\nkieran@datapower.com\n\nSchwartz Communications\nJohn Moran/Heather Chichakly\n781-684-0770\ndatapower@schwartz-pr.com\n\n========================================================================\n\nSteve Kelly, chairman and CEO\n\nDuring over twenty years in the technology industry, Steve Kelly has \nbuilt and managed global enterprise networks, provided consulting \nservices to Fortune 50 businesses, and been involved in the launch of \nseveral start-ups. Prior to DataPower, Kelly was an \nentrepreneur-in-residence at Venrock Associates, and was co-founder of \nCastle Networks, where he led the company's sales, service and marketing \nfunctions. Castle was acquired by Siemens AG in 1999 to create Unisphere \nNetworks, which was subsequently purchased by Juniper Networks. Kelly \nwas an early contributor at Cascade Communications, where he built and \nmanaged the company's core switching business; Cascade's annual revenues \ngrew from $2 million to $300 million annually during Kelly's tenure. \nKelly also worked at Digital Equipment Corporation where he managed and \ngrew their corporate network to 50,000+ nodes in 28 countries, the \nlargest in the world at the time. Kelly has a B.S. in Information \nSystems from Bentley College.\n\nEugene Kuznetsov, founder, president and CTO\n\nEugene Kuznetsov is a technology visionary that has been working to \naddress enterprise XML issues since the late 90s. Kuznetsov founded \nDataPower Technology, Inc. in 1999 to provide enterprises with an \nintelligent, XML-aware network infrastructure to support next-generation \napplications. Prior to starting DataPower, Kuznetsov led the Java JIT \nCompiler effort for Microsoft Internet Explorer for Macintosh 4.0. He \nwas also part of the team which developed one of the first clean room \nJava VM's. This high-speed runtime technology was licensed by some of \nthe industry's largest technology companies, including Apple Computer. \nHe has consulted to numerous companies and worked on a variety of \nhardware and software engineering problems in the areas of memory \nmanagement, power electronics, optimized execution engines and \napplication integration. Kuznetsov holds a B.S. in electrical \nengineering from MIT.\n\nSteve Willis, vice president of advanced technology\n\nSteve Willis is an accomplished entrepreneur and a pioneer in protocol \noptimization. Prior to joining DataPower, Willis was co-founder and CTO \nof Argon Networks, a provider of high-performance switching routers that \nwas acquired by Siemens AG in 1999 to create Unisphere Networks; \nUnisphere was subsequently purchased by Juniper Networks. Before Argon, \nSteve was vice president of advanced technology at Bay Networks (now \nNortel Networks) where he led both IP and ATM-related technology \ndevelopment and managed a group that generated 24 patent applications, \ndeveloped a 1 Mbps forwarding engine and led the specification of the \nATM Forum's PNNI routing protocol. Most notably, Steve was co-founder, \noriginal software director and architect for Wellfleet Communications, a \nleading pioneer of multi-protocol routers. Wellfleet was rated as the \nfastest growing company in the U.S. for two consecutive years by Fortune \nmagazine. Willis is currently a member of the Institute of Electrical \nand Electronics Engineers (IEEE) and the Internet Research Task Force \n(IRTF) Routing Research Group. Willis has a B.D.I.C. in Computer Science \nfrom the University of Massachusetts.\n\nBill Tao, vice president of engineering\n\nWith a vast understanding of network optimization technologies and \nextensive experience in LAN and WAN networking, Bill Tao brings over 25 \nyears of critical knowledge to lead DataPower's engineering efforts. \nPrior to DataPower, Tao was the vice president of engineering for \nSycamore Networks, developing a family of metro/regional optical network \nswitches. He is also well acquainted with network optimization \ntechniques as he was previously vice president of engineering at \nInfoLibria, where he led development and software quality assurance \nengineering for a family of network caching products. Tao has held \nsenior engineering positions at NetEdge, Proteon, Codex and Wang. Tao \nreceived a B.S. in Electrical Engineering from the University of \nConnecticut and an M.S. in Computer Science from the University of \nIllinois.\n\nKieran Taylor, director of product marketing\n\nKieran Taylor has an accomplished record as a marketing professional, \nindustry analyst and journalist. Prior to joining DataPower, Taylor was \nthe director of product management and marketing for Akamai Technologies \n(NASDAQ: AKAM). As an early contributor at Akamai, he helped develop the \ncompany's initial positioning and led the technical development and \ngo-to-market activities for Akamai's flagship EdgeSuite service. \nTaylor's early contribution helped position the service provider to \nsecure a $12.6 billion IPO. He has also held senior marketing management \npositions at Nortel Networks, Inc. and Bay Networks. Taylor was \npreviously an analyst at TeleChoice, Inc. and the Wide Area Networks \neditor for Data Communications, a McGraw Hill publication. Taylor holds \na B.A. in Print Journalism from the Pennsylvania State University School \nof Communications.\n\n=================================================================\nBoard of Advisors\n\nMark Hoover\nMark Hoover is President and co-founder of Acuitive, Inc., a start-up \naccelerator. With over 20 years experience in the networking industry, \nHoover's expertise spans product development, marketing, and business \ndevelopment. Before launching Acuitive, Hoover worked at AT&T Bell \nLaboratories, AT&T Computer Systems, SynOptics, and Bay Networks, where \nhe played a role in the development of key technologies, such as \n10-BASET, routing, FDDI, ATM, Ethernet switching, firewall, Internet \ntraffic management, and edge WAN switch industries.\n\nGeorge Kassabgi\nCurrently Vice President of Engineering at BEA Systems, Mr. Kassabgi has \nheld executive-level positions in engineering, sales and marketing, and \nhas spearheaded leading-edge developments in the application server \nmarketplace since 1996. He is widely known for his regular speaking \nengagements at JavaOne, as well as columns and contributions in JavaPro, \nJava Developer's Journal and other publications. In addition to being a \nvenerated Java expert, George Kassabgi holds a patent on SmartObject \nTechnology, and authored the technical book Progress V8.\n\nMarshall T. Rose\nMarshall T. Rose runs his own firm, Dover Beach Consulting, Inc. He \nformerly held the position of the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) \nArea Director for Network Management, one of a dozen individuals who \noversaw the Internet's standardization process. Rose is the author of \nseveral professional texts on subjects such as Internet Management, \nElectronic Mail, and Directory Services, which have been published in \nfour languages. He is well known for his implementations of core \nInternet technologies (such as POP, SMTP, and SNMP) and OSI technologies \n(such as X.500 and FTAM). Rose received a PhD in Information and \nComputer Science from the University of California, Irvine, in 1984.\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On 27 Aug 2002 at 15:00, Rohit Khare wrote:\n> \n> DATAPOWER TECHNOLOGY ON Monday unveiled its network device\n> designed specifically to process XML data. Unlike competing\n> solutions that process XML data in software, DataPower's\n> device processes the data in hardware -- a technology\n> achievement that provides greater performance, according to\n> company officials.\n>\nSarvega seems to have a similar product. http://www.sarvega.com.\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"If it's not stateful, it wouldn't seem to be worth the effort, although I guess it might help with DDoS attacks.\n\nSounds snake-oilish to me, but I'm biased by lots of experience with firewalls and proxy servers, and the limitations thereof.\n\nKen\n\n\n> -----Original Message-----\n> From: Rohit Khare [mailto:khare@alumni.caltech.edu]\n> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 5:00 PM\n> To: fork@example.com\n> Subject: DataPower announces XML-in-silicon\n> \n> \n> No analysis yet... don't know what to make of it yet. But \n> here's the raw \n> bits for all to peruse and check out what's really going on... Best, \n> Rohit\n> \n> ===========================================================\n> \n> DataPower delivers XML acceleration device\n> By Scott Tyler Shafer\n> August 27, 2002 5:46 am PT\n> \n> DATAPOWER TECHNOLOGY ON Monday unveiled its network device designed \n> specifically to process XML data. Unlike competing solutions that \n> process XML data in software, DataPower's device processes \n> the data in \n> hardware -- a technology achievement that provides greater \n> performance, \n> according to company officials.\n> \n> The new device, dubbed DataPower XA35 XML Accelerator, is the \n> first in a \n> family of products expected from the Cambridge, Mass.-based \n> startup. The \n> DataPower family is based on a proprietary processing core technology \n> called XG3 that does the analysis, parsing, and processing of the XML \n> data.\n> \n> According to Steve Kelly, CEO of DataPower, the XA35 Accelerator was \n> conceived to meet the steady adoption of XML, the anticipated future \n> proliferation of Web services, and as a means to share data \n> between two \n> businesses.\n> \n> \"Our vision is to build out an XML-aware infrastructure,\" Kelly said. \n> \"The XA35 is the first of a family.\"\n> \n> Kelly explained that converting data into XML increases the \n> file size up \n> to 20 times. This, he said, makes processing the data very taxing on \n> application servers; DataPower believes an inline device is the best \n> alternative.\n> \n> In addition to the large file sizes, security is also of paramount \n> importance in the world of XML.\n> \n> \"Today's firewalls are designed to inspect HTTP traffic only,\" Kelly \n> said. \"A SOAP packet with XML will go straight through a firewall. \n> Firewalls are blind to XML today.\"\n> \n> Future products in DataPowers family will focus more specifically on \n> security, especially as Web services proliferate, Kelly said.\n> \n> According to DataPower, most existing solutions to offload XML \n> processing are homegrown and done in software -- an approach \n> the company \n> itself tried initially and found to be inadequate with \n> regards to speed \n> and security. After trying the software path, the company turned to \n> creating a solution that would process XML in hardware.\n> \n> \"Our XG3 execution core converts XML to machine code,\" said Kelly, \n> adding that to his knowledge no other company's solution does. Kelly \n> said in the next few months he expects the market to be flooded with \n> technologies that claim to do XML processing -- claims that \n> he believes \n> will be mostly false.\n> Other content-aware switches, such as SSL (secure socket layer) \n> accelerators and load balancers, look at the first 64 bytes \n> of a packet, \n> while the XA35 provides deeper packet inspection, looking at \n> 1,400 bytes \n> and thus enabling greater processing of XML data, Kelly explained.\n> \n> The 1U-high network device has been tested against a large \n> collection of \n> XML and XSL data types and can learn new flavors of the \n> markup language \n> as they pass through the device.\n> \n> The XA35 can be deployed in proxy mode behind a firewall and a load \n> balancer, and it will inspect all traffic that passes and \n> will identify \n> and process those packets that are XML, Kelly said.\n> \n> In addition to proxy mode, the device can also be used as an \n> application \n> co-processor. This deployment method gives administrators \n> more granular \n> control over what data is inspected and the application server itself \n> controls the device.\n> \n> DataPower is not the only company chasing this emerging \n> market. Startup \n> Sarvega, based in Burr Ridge, Ill., introduced the Sarvega \n> XPE switch in \n> May, and earlier this month Tarari, an Intel spin-off, \n> launched with a \n> focus on content processing and acceleration.\n> The DataPower device is now available, priced starting at \n> $54,995. The \n> company has announced one customer to date and says the product is in \n> field trails at a number of other enterprises.\n> \n> ==============================================================\n> ===========\n> \n> DataPower has been addressing enterprise networking needs \n> since it was \n> founded in early 1999 by Eugene Kuznetsov, a technology visionary who \n> foresaw the adverse effects XML and other next generation protocols \n> would have on enterprise networks. Long before industry \n> interest in XML \n> grew, Kuznetsov assembled a team of world-class M.I.T. engineers and \n> designed the industry's first solutions to address the unique \n> requirements for processing XML. The first such solution was \n> a software \n> interpreter called DGXT. This software-based approach to XML \n> processing \n> is still licensed by many companies for use in their own \n> products today.\n> \n> Leveraging the detailed knowledge and customer experience gained from \n> developing software-based accelerators, Kuznetsov's team \n> raised the bar \n> and designed a system for processing XML in purpose-built \n> hardware. In \n> 2001, DataPower's effort produced XML Generation Three (XG3™), the \n> industry's fastest technology for XML processing, bar none.\n> \n> Today, XG3™ technology powers the industry's first wire-speed XML \n> network devices, enabling secure, high-speed applications and XML Web \n> Services. While other companies are just now marketing first \n> versions of \n> products, DataPower is delivering its third generation of technology, \n> providing an immediate return on technology investments to \n> industry-leading customers and partners.\n> \n> DataPower's M.I.T. heritage is complemented by a management team that \n> brings decades of experience in the networking and computing \n> industries, \n> drawing veteran leaders from several successful companies including \n> Akamai, Argon, Cascade, Castle Networks, Sycamore and Wellfleet.\n> \n> ==============================================================\n> ===========\n> \n> DataPower Technology Secures $9.5 Million in Funding\n> \n> Venrock Associates, Mobius Venture Capital and Seed Capital \n> Back Pioneer \n> in XML-Aware Networking for Web Services\n> \n> CAMBRIDGE, Mass. - July 8, 2002 - DataPower Technology, Inc., the \n> leading provider of XML-Aware network infrastructure, today announced \n> that it has secured $9.5 million in series B financing. Investors for \n> this round include Venrock Associates, Mobius Venture Capital \n> and Seed \n> Capital Partners. Michael Tyrrell, of Venrock, Bill Burnham, \n> of Mobius, \n> and Jeff Fagnan, of Seed Capital, have joined DataPower’s Board of \n> Directors.\n> \n> DataPower will use this funding to accelerate development, \n> marketing and \n> sales of the company’s breakthrough technology for XML-Aware \n> networking. \n> Founded in 1999, DataPower invented the world’s first intelligent XML \n> networking devices, capable of transforming XML traffic and \n> transactions \n> at the wire-speed enterprises need to effectively embrace Web \n> services \n> and other XML-centric initiatives. DataPower’s solutions are based on \n> its patent-pending XML Generation Three (XG3™) technology.\n> \n> \"Enterprises are adopting XML at rapid rate to facilitate inter-and \n> intra-company communications but their network infrastructure is ill \n> prepared to support the requirements of this new traffic type. \n> DataPower’s XML-acceleration devices enable the wirespeed \n> processing of \n> XML that is required to support next generation enterprise \n> applications,\" said Eugene Kuznetsov, CTO and founder of DataPower \n> Technology.\n> \n> \"DataPower gives companies the ability to use XML that’s \n> critical to Web \n> services projects without sacrificing an ounce of \n> performance.\" A single \n> DataPower acceleration engine delivers the processing power of 10 \n> servers—breaking the performance bottleneck associated with XML \n> processing and delivering an extraordinary return on investment. In \n> addition, the DataPower platform provides enhanced XML security, \n> protection against XML-based denial-of-service attacks, connection of \n> e-business protocols for incompatible XML data streams, load \n> balancing \n> between back-end servers and real-time statistics reports.\n> \n> \"In the post-bubble economy, technology investment decisions require \n> laser-focused scrutiny. DataPower’s patent-pending technology \n> addresses \n> a very real and growing pain point for enterprises,\" said Michael \n> Tyrrell of Venrock Associates. \"By turbo-charging their networks with \n> DataPower’s unique XML-Aware networking technology, companies will be \n> free to adopt next generation Web services without encountering \n> performance and security pitfalls.\"\n> \n> \"We looked long and hard for a company capable of addressing \n> the rapidly \n> growing problems surrounding XML message processing performance and \n> security,\" said Bill Burnham of Mobius Venture Capital. \n> \"DataPower is on \n> their third generation of technology. Their patent pending XML \n> Generation Three (XG3) technology was quite simply the single most \n> compelling technology solution we have seen to date.\"\n> \n> \"XML is not a nice-to-have, it is a must have for enterprises serious \n> about optimizing application efficiency. Since 1999, \n> DataPower has been \n> developing solutions to facilitate enterprise use of XML and Web \n> services,\" said Jeff Fagnan of Seed Capital Partners. \"DataPower’s \n> XML-acceleration devices are a key requirement for \n> enterprises that rely \n> on XML for mission critical applications.\"\n> \n> About Venrock Associates\n> Venrock Associates was founded as the venture capital arm of the \n> Rockefeller Family and continues a tradition of funding entrepreneurs \n> that now spans over seven decades. Laurance S. Rockefeller pioneered \n> early stage venture financing in the 1930s. With over 300 investments \n> over a span of more than 70 years, the firm has an \n> established a track \n> record of identifying and supporting promising early stage, \n> technology- \n> based enterprises. As one of most experienced venture firms in the \n> United States, Venrock maintains a tradition of collaboration with \n> talented entrepreneurs to establish successful, enduring companies. \n> Venrock's continuing goal is to create long-term value by assisting \n> entrepreneurs in building companies from the formative stages. Their \n> consistent focus on Information Technology and Life Sciences-related \n> opportunities provides a reservoir of knowledge and a network of \n> contacts that have proven to be a catalyst for the growth of \n> developing \n> organizations. Venrock's investments have included CheckPoint \n> Software, \n> USinternetworking, Caliper Technologies, Illumina, Niku, DoubleClick, \n> Media Metrix, 3COM, Intel, and Apple Computer. With offices \n> in New York \n> City, Cambridge, MA, and Menlo Park, CA, Venrock is well \n> positioned to \n> respond to opportunities in any locale. For more information \n> on Venrock \n> Associates, please visit www.venrock.com\n> \n> About Mobius Venture Capital\n> Mobius Venture Capital, formerly SOFTBANK Venture Capital, is a $2.5 \n> billion U.S.-based private equity venture capital firm managed by an \n> unparalleled team of former CEOs and entrepreneurs, \n> technology pioneers, \n> senior executives from major technology corporations, and \n> leaders from \n> the investment banking community. Mobius Venture Capital specializes \n> primarily in early-stage investments in the areas of: communications \n> systems software and services; infrastructure software and services; \n> professional services; enterprise applications; healthcare \n> informatics; \n> consumer and small business applications; components; and emerging \n> technologies. Mobius Venture Capital combines its technology \n> expertise \n> and broad financial assets with the industry's best entrepreneurs to \n> create a powerhouse portfolio of over 100 of the world's leading high \n> technology companies. Mobius Venture Capital can be contacted by \n> visiting their web site www.mobiusvc.com.\n> \n> About Seed Capital Partners\n> Seed Capital Partners is an early-stage venture fund affiliated with \n> SoftBank Corporation, one of the world's leading Internet \n> market forces. \n> Seed Capital manages funds focused primarily on companies addressing \n> Internet-enabled business-to-business digital information technology \n> opportunities, which are located in the Northeastern U.S., the \n> southeastern region of the Province of Ontario, Canada, and \n> Israel. Seed \n> Capital’s portfolio includes Spearhead Technologies, \n> Concentric Visions \n> and CompanyDNA. For more information on Seed Capital Partners, please \n> visit www.seedcp.com.\n> \n> About DataPower Technology\n> DataPower Technology provides enterprises with intelligent XML-Aware \n> network infrastructure to ensure unparalleled performance, \n> security and \n> manageability of next-generation protocols. DataPower’s \n> patent-pending \n> XML Generation Three (XG3™) technology powers the industry’s first \n> wirespeed XML network devices, enabling secure, high-speed \n> applications \n> and XML Web Services. Founded in 1999, DataPower is now \n> delivering its \n> third generation of technology, providing immediate return on \n> technology \n> investments to industry-leading customers and partners. DataPower is \n> privately held and based in Cambridge, MA. Investors include Mobius \n> Venture Capital, Seed Capital Partners, and Venrock Associates.\n> \n> CONTACT:\n> \n> DataPower Technology, Inc.\n> Kieran Taylor\n> 617-864-0455\n> kieran@datapower.com\n> \n> Schwartz Communications\n> John Moran/Heather Chichakly\n> 781-684-0770\n> datapower@schwartz-pr.com\n> \n> ==============================================================\n> ==========\n> \n> Steve Kelly, chairman and CEO\n> \n> During over twenty years in the technology industry, Steve Kelly has \n> built and managed global enterprise networks, provided consulting \n> services to Fortune 50 businesses, and been involved in the launch of \n> several start-ups. Prior to DataPower, Kelly was an \n> entrepreneur-in-residence at Venrock Associates, and was \n> co-founder of \n> Castle Networks, where he led the company's sales, service \n> and marketing \n> functions. Castle was acquired by Siemens AG in 1999 to \n> create Unisphere \n> Networks, which was subsequently purchased by Juniper Networks. Kelly \n> was an early contributor at Cascade Communications, where he \n> built and \n> managed the company's core switching business; Cascade's \n> annual revenues \n> grew from $2 million to $300 million annually during Kelly's tenure. \n> Kelly also worked at Digital Equipment Corporation where he \n> managed and \n> grew their corporate network to 50,000+ nodes in 28 countries, the \n> largest in the world at the time. Kelly has a B.S. in Information \n> Systems from Bentley College.\n> \n> Eugene Kuznetsov, founder, president and CTO\n> \n> Eugene Kuznetsov is a technology visionary that has been working to \n> address enterprise XML issues since the late 90s. Kuznetsov founded \n> DataPower Technology, Inc. in 1999 to provide enterprises with an \n> intelligent, XML-aware network infrastructure to support \n> next-generation \n> applications. Prior to starting DataPower, Kuznetsov led the Java JIT \n> Compiler effort for Microsoft Internet Explorer for Macintosh 4.0. He \n> was also part of the team which developed one of the first clean room \n> Java VM's. This high-speed runtime technology was licensed by some of \n> the industry's largest technology companies, including Apple \n> Computer. \n> He has consulted to numerous companies and worked on a variety of \n> hardware and software engineering problems in the areas of memory \n> management, power electronics, optimized execution engines and \n> application integration. Kuznetsov holds a B.S. in electrical \n> engineering from MIT.\n> \n> Steve Willis, vice president of advanced technology\n> \n> Steve Willis is an accomplished entrepreneur and a pioneer in \n> protocol \n> optimization. Prior to joining DataPower, Willis was \n> co-founder and CTO \n> of Argon Networks, a provider of high-performance switching \n> routers that \n> was acquired by Siemens AG in 1999 to create Unisphere Networks; \n> Unisphere was subsequently purchased by Juniper Networks. \n> Before Argon, \n> Steve was vice president of advanced technology at Bay Networks (now \n> Nortel Networks) where he led both IP and ATM-related technology \n> development and managed a group that generated 24 patent \n> applications, \n> developed a 1 Mbps forwarding engine and led the specification of the \n> ATM Forum's PNNI routing protocol. Most notably, Steve was \n> co-founder, \n> original software director and architect for Wellfleet \n> Communications, a \n> leading pioneer of multi-protocol routers. Wellfleet was rated as the \n> fastest growing company in the U.S. for two consecutive years \n> by Fortune \n> magazine. Willis is currently a member of the Institute of Electrical \n> and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) and the Internet Research Task Force \n> (IRTF) Routing Research Group. Willis has a B.D.I.C. in \n> Computer Science \n> from the University of Massachusetts.\n> \n> Bill Tao, vice president of engineering\n> \n> With a vast understanding of network optimization technologies and \n> extensive experience in LAN and WAN networking, Bill Tao \n> brings over 25 \n> years of critical knowledge to lead DataPower's engineering efforts. \n> Prior to DataPower, Tao was the vice president of engineering for \n> Sycamore Networks, developing a family of metro/regional \n> optical network \n> switches. He is also well acquainted with network optimization \n> techniques as he was previously vice president of engineering at \n> InfoLibria, where he led development and software quality assurance \n> engineering for a family of network caching products. Tao has held \n> senior engineering positions at NetEdge, Proteon, Codex and Wang. Tao \n> received a B.S. in Electrical Engineering from the University of \n> Connecticut and an M.S. in Computer Science from the University of \n> Illinois.\n> \n> Kieran Taylor, director of product marketing\n> \n> Kieran Taylor has an accomplished record as a marketing professional, \n> industry analyst and journalist. Prior to joining DataPower, \n> Taylor was \n> the director of product management and marketing for Akamai \n> Technologies \n> (NASDAQ: AKAM). As an early contributor at Akamai, he helped \n> develop the \n> company's initial positioning and led the technical development and \n> go-to-market activities for Akamai's flagship EdgeSuite service. \n> Taylor's early contribution helped position the service provider to \n> secure a $12.6 billion IPO. He has also held senior marketing \n> management \n> positions at Nortel Networks, Inc. and Bay Networks. Taylor was \n> previously an analyst at TeleChoice, Inc. and the Wide Area Networks \n> editor for Data Communications, a McGraw Hill publication. \n> Taylor holds \n> a B.A. in Print Journalism from the Pennsylvania State \n> University School \n> of Communications.\n> \n> =================================================================\n> Board of Advisors\n> \n> Mark Hoover\n> Mark Hoover is President and co-founder of Acuitive, Inc., a start-up \n> accelerator. With over 20 years experience in the networking \n> industry, \n> Hoover's expertise spans product development, marketing, and business \n> development. Before launching Acuitive, Hoover worked at AT&T Bell \n> Laboratories, AT&T Computer Systems, SynOptics, and Bay \n> Networks, where \n> he played a role in the development of key technologies, such as \n> 10-BASET, routing, FDDI, ATM, Ethernet switching, firewall, Internet \n> traffic management, and edge WAN switch industries.\n> \n> George Kassabgi\n> Currently Vice President of Engineering at BEA Systems, Mr. \n> Kassabgi has \n> held executive-level positions in engineering, sales and \n> marketing, and \n> has spearheaded leading-edge developments in the application server \n> marketplace since 1996. He is widely known for his regular speaking \n> engagements at JavaOne, as well as columns and contributions \n> in JavaPro, \n> Java Developer's Journal and other publications. In addition \n> to being a \n> venerated Java expert, George Kassabgi holds a patent on SmartObject \n> Technology, and authored the technical book Progress V8.\n> \n> Marshall T. Rose\n> Marshall T. Rose runs his own firm, Dover Beach Consulting, Inc. He \n> formerly held the position of the Internet Engineering Task \n> Force (IETF) \n> Area Director for Network Management, one of a dozen individuals who \n> oversaw the Internet's standardization process. Rose is the author of \n> several professional texts on subjects such as Internet Management, \n> Electronic Mail, and Directory Services, which have been published in \n> four languages. He is well known for his implementations of core \n> Internet technologies (such as POP, SMTP, and SNMP) and OSI \n> technologies \n> (such as X.500 and FTAM). Rose received a PhD in Information and \n> Computer Science from the University of California, Irvine, in 1984.\n> \n> \n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On 27 Aug 2002 at 15:00, Rohit Khare wrote:\n\n> DataPower delivers XML acceleration device\n> By Scott Tyler Shafer\n> August 27, 2002 5:46 am PT\n> \nIntel also had a similar device a couple of years ago (Netstructure). They have, afaik, abandoned it.\n\nIntel is still in the XML hardware game though. On 8/19 they spun off a company named Tarari. Tarari develops hardware to check the headers of IP packets. Tarari calls \nthis Layer 7 processing (atop the OSI model). From what I can tell, Tarari plans to combine virus scanning and XML acceleration into a single hardware device.\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, Rohit Khare wrote:\n\n> DATAPOWER TECHNOLOGY ON Monday unveiled its network device designed\n> specifically to process XML data. Unlike competing solutions that\n> process XML data in software, DataPower's device processes the data in\n> hardware -- a technology achievement that provides greater performance,\n> according to company officials.\n\nNow, to do this, we all know they have to be cracking the strong crypto used\non all transaction in order to process them... So this has some preaty heavy\nimplications, unless it's just BS.\n\n> Kelly explained that converting data into XML increases the file size up\n> to 20 times. This, he said, makes processing the data very taxing on\n> application servers; DataPower believes an inline device is the best\n> alternative.\n\nOr.... you could just not bloat it 20x to begin with. Nah! (that was the\nwhole point of XML afterall, to sell more CPUs - much like Oracle's use of\nJava allows them to sell 3x more CPU licenses due to the performance hit)\n\n> In addition to the large file sizes, security is also of paramount\n> importance in the world of XML.\n>\n> \"Today's firewalls are designed to inspect HTTP traffic only,\" Kelly\n> said. \"A SOAP packet with XML will go straight through a firewall.\n> Firewalls are blind to XML today.\"\n\nAgain, see above... they _are_ claiming to decode the crypto...\n\n> \"Our XG3 execution core converts XML to machine code,\" said Kelly,\n\nMmmmmmmmmmm, machine code, never a good idea ;)\n\n- Adam L. \"Duncan\" Beberg\n http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/\n beberg@mithral.com\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	" From the local paper this morning.\n\"Canadians eat about seven times as many doughnuts per capita\"... (as \nAmericans) . D'oh!\n\nOwen\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"\nForwarded-by: Nev Dull <nev@sleepycat.com>\nForwarded-by: Gene Spafford <spaf@cerias.purdue.edu>\nForwarded-by: Sean Ennis <ennis@avant.ca>\nForwarded-by: dpbsmith@bellatlantic.net (Daniel P. B. Smith)\n\n\"I've started referring to the proposed action against Iraq as Desert\nStorm 1.1, since it reminds me of a Microsoft upgrade: it's expensive,\nmost people aren't sure they want it, and it probably won't work.\"\n\t\t-- Kevin G. Barkes\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Politicians worldwide are discovering the internet - what a great tool \nfor fascism, once you got the laws in place to solve that whole \n'anonymity' thing. Also I notice this story shows the truth - the \nCanadian government is really located in Washington, DC, Ottawa is just \na branch office. Come to think of it, the last story I posted about \nCanada featured the head of its military, 'speaking to us from military \nHQ in Palm Beach, Florida.'\nOwen\n----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n.\nWill Canada's ISPs become spies?\nBy Declan McCullagh <mailto:declan.mccullagh@cnet.com>\nStaff Writer, CNET News.com\nAugust 27, 2002, 12:56 PM PT\nhttp://news.com.com/2100-1023-955595.html \n<http://news.com.com/2100-1023-955595.html?tag=prntfr>\n\nWASHINGTON--The Canadian government is considering a proposal that \nwould force Internet providers to rewire their networks for easy \nsurveillance by police and spy agencies.\n\nA discussion draft <http://www.canada.justice.gc.ca/en/cons/la_al/> \nreleased Sunday also contemplates creating a national database of every \nCanadian with an Internet account, a plan that could sharply curtail the \nright to be anonymous online.\n\nThe Canadian government, including the Department of Justice \n<http://canada.justice.gc.ca/> and Industry Canada \n<http://www.ic.gc.ca/>, wrote the 21-page blueprint as a near-final step \nin a process that seeks to give law enforcement agents more authority to \nconduct electronic surveillance. A proposed law based on the discussion \ndraft is expected to be introduced in Parliament late this year or in \nearly 2003.\n\nArguing that more and more communications take place in electronic form, \nCanadian officials say such laws are necessary to fight terrorism and \ncombat even run-of-the-mill crimes. They also claim that by enacting \nthese proposals, Canada will be following its obligations under the \nCouncil of Europe's cybercrime treaty \n<http://news.com.com/2100-1001-268894.html>, which the country is in the \nprocess of considering.\n\nIf the discussion draft were to become law, it would outlaw the \npossession of computer viruses, authorize police to order Internet \nproviders to retain logs of all Web browsing for up to six months, and \npermit police to obtain a search warrant allowing them to find \"hidden \nelectronic and digital devices\" that a suspect might be concealing. In \nmost circumstances, a court order would be required for government \nagents to conduct Internet monitoring.\n\nCanada and the United States are nonvoting members of the Council of \nEurope, and representatives from both countries' police agencies have \nendorsed the controversial cybercrime treaty \n<http://conventions.coe.int/Treaty/EN/CadreListeTraites.htm>, which has \ndrawn protests from human rights activists and civil liberties groups. \nOf nearly 50 participating nations, only Albania has formally adopted \n<http://conventions.coe.int/Treaty/EN/searchsig.asp?NT=185&CM=8&DF=27/08/02>, \nor ratified, the treaty.\n\nMichael Geist <http://aix1.uottawa.ca/%7Egeist/>, a professor at the \nUniversity of Ottawa who specializes in e-commerce law, says that the \njustification for adopting such sweeping changes to Canadian law seems \nweak.\n\n\"It seems to me that the main justification they've given for all the \nchanges is that we want to ratify the cybercrime treaty and we need to \nmake changes,\" Geist said. \"To me that's not a particularly convincing \nargument. If there are new powers needed for law enforcement authority, \nmake that case.\"\n\nGeist added that \"there's nothing in the document that indicates (new \npowers) are needed. I don't know that there have been a significant \nnumber of cases where police have run into problems.\"\n\nProbably the most sweeping change the legal blueprint contemplates is \ncompelling Internet providers and telephone companies to reconfigure \ntheir networks to facilitate government eavesdropping and data-retention \norders. The United States has a similar requirement, called the \nCommunications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act \n<http://www.epic.org/privacy/wiretap/calea/calea_law.html>, but it \napplies only to pre-Internet telecommunications companies.\n\n\"It is proposed that all service providers (wireless, wireline and \nInternet) be required to ensure that their systems have the technical \ncapability to provide lawful access to law enforcement and national \nsecurity agencies,\" according to the proposal. Companies would be \nresponsible for paying the costs of buying new equipment.\n\nSarah Andrews, an analyst at the Electronic Privacy Information Center \n<http://www.epic.org/> (EPIC) who specializes in international law, says \nthe proposal goes beyond what the cybercrime treaty specifies. \"Their \nproposal for intercept capability talks about all service providers, not \njust Internet providers,\" Andrews said. \"The cybercrime treaty deals \nonly with computer data.\" EPIC opposes \n<http://www.privacyinternational.org/issues/cybercrime/coe/ngo_letter_601.htm> \nthe cybercrime treaty, saying it grants too much power to police and \ndoes not adequately respect privacy rights.\n\nAnother section of the proposal says the Canadian Association of Chiefs \nof Police recommends \"the establishment of a national database\" with \npersonal information about all Canadian Internet users. \"The \nimplementation of such a database would presuppose that service \nproviders are compelled to provide accurate and current information,\" \nthe draft says.\n\nGus Hosein, a visiting fellow at the London School of Economics and an \nactivist with Privacy International, calls the database \"a dumb idea.\"\n\n\"Immediately you have to wonder if you're allowed to use anonymous \nmobile phones or whether you're allowed to connect to the Internet \nanonymously,\" Hosein said.\n\nA representative for George Radwanski \n<http://www.privcom.gc.ca/au_e.asp>, Canada's privacy commissioner, said \nthe office is reviewing the blueprint and does not \"have any comments on \nthe paper as it stands.\"\n\nComments on the proposal can be sent to la-al@justice.gc.ca \n<mailto:la-al@justice.gc.ca> no later than Nov. 15.\n\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On Wed, 2002-10-09 at 06:48, Frank Bergmann wrote:\n> \n> A more reasonable explication of the EU - US differences (according \n> to some American journalist cited in a German magazine, can someone\n> help me?) is that the American public perceives the rest of the world \n> basically as a thread, against which you have to defend yourself using\n> power.\n\n\nThis is not a correct assessment. The American public couldn't care\nless. However, the US intelligence community correctly perceives a\nthreat, and it isn't the third-world. Many European and other developed\nnations aggressively engage in covert operations against American\ninterests. Its been going on for years and isn't even news. Things\nhave stepped up in recent years and the US DoD is none too pleased. For\nbetter or worse, the US is relatively good at that game too. As with\nmost backwater wars, they are proxies for the interests of the big\nplayers.\n\nFind a current list of the top intelligence threats to the US. You'll\nfind that half the countries on that list are European. Most people are\nunaware of how aggressive these things have gotten in recent years.\n\n\n> On the other hand the Europeans are used to the peace of their cozy \n> post-war system where external security is not an issue. All security\n> threads can be resolved by giving money to the threatening people \n> and to integrate them into the wealthy sphere (Balkan, Palestinians,\n> ...)\n\n\nBullshit. The European governments ruthlessly suppress real opposition,\nobviously some more than others. US SpecOps are often brought in to do\ndirty work inside Europe for European governments (usually with\ngovernment \"advisors\" along for the mission). I've always wondered what\nthe deal was such that we got involved at all. The point being that\nwe've acted as assassins for European governments inside their borders\nagainst their own citizens under the auspices of those governments, and\nin recent years, not ancient history. I know SpecOp guys who left the\nmilitary specifically because of the circumstances of some of these\nmissions while they were posted for that duty. I'm certainly glad I was\nnever assigned missions in that theater, because there is a lot of\ncovert nastiness going on in nominally friendly European democracies.\n\nRegardless, giving money to people that threaten you has never created\nmeaningful peace in the history of civilization. We call it extortion\nunder any other guise.\n\n \n> A lot of the current EU - US issues can be explained by this difference \n> of perception, such as the current American unilateralism (nobody wants \n> to help us!), the American arrogance towards Europe (they don't want to \n> do anything, so why should we ask them?) and the growing rejection of the \n> American policy in Europe (they want to abolish the law!).\n\n\nEurope is looking increasingly like a basket case. Whatever problems\nthe US is having these days, Europe looks worse and is going downhill\nfaster. Why the US would want to emulate European behavior or the\nEuropean way of doing things is beyond me.\n\nThe US asking for major policy advice from Europe is like asking a quack\nfor medical advice. I really don't see what is wrong with \"unilateral\"\nanyway. Why should anyone join a stampede that is heading for a cliff?\nI hope the incessant knee-jerk conformist screeching that Americans see\ncoming from Europe doesn't actually represent the views of Europeans. \n\nFor various reasons I'm not exactly a cheerleader for the US government,\nbut the premises of the argument against them here are lame.\n\n\n> My personal point is that few Americans (percentage of overall population)\n> have ever left their country, while even German construction workers\n> regularly spend their holidays in Spain. So I'm not surprised that\n> paranoia is growing.\n\n\nI'm betting you are underestimating the actual percentage. The vast\nmajority of people I know have lived, worked, and traveled outside the\ncountry at one time or another. And I doubt Europeans have traveled\nanywhere near as much in the Western hemisphere as Americans have. \nDespite the best efforts of France, Europe is still not the center of\nthe universe. I'll throw you a bone though: most Americans do consider\nEurope to be drifting into irrelevancy and therefore ignore it. But\nfrom the perspective of an American, how could you NOT look at it this\nway? The impact of Europe on America has diminished greatly over the\nyears.\n\nI love the smell of Euro-chauvinism in the morning.\n\nFirst, you assume that the North American continent is ethnically and\nculturally homogenous. Anybody that has actually traveled throughout\nNorth America knows this isn't true; there are more than five major and\nvery distinct cultures and societies in the US alone, never mind the\nhundreds of diverse regional sub-populations, some of which are truly\nforeign. Apparently Europeans confuse speaking the same language with\nhaving the same culture. That would be like saying Mexico is culturally\nidentical to Spain because they nominally speak the same language. A\nWyoming rancher has almost nothing in common culturally or socially with\nyour average person living in San Francisco, despite speaking the same\nlanguage and nominally living in the same country. If I want to visit a\nwildly different culture for the holidays, I'll go to Oakland, New\nOrleans, or similar -- they are far more different from where I live\nthan some countries I've traveled to. And a lot of these places are\nfarther from where I live than Spain is from Germany.\n\nSecond, the State I live in is the size of Germany. When I travel to a\nneighboring State (which I do regularly), how is this not equivalent? \nIn fact, I probably travel much farther for the holidays than your\nGerman construction workers. If you look at the EU as a single country,\nonly then does your analogy become comparable. What kind of ridiculous\nsuperiority do Europeans get from having (relatively) tiny countries?\n\nIn truth, I find Europe to be about as culturally homogeneous as the\nUS. There are a lot of cultural similarities across the EU with\nrelatively minor local deviations that vary with distance in ways very\nsimilar to the US. The only real difference is that Europeans have\ndozens of different languages, which is hardly something I would call an\nadvantage. Although there are a couple parts of the US where I can't\nunderstand a word they are saying either. \n\n\n-James Rogers\n jamesr@best.com\n\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"I got to see Powell talk in March 2001 at the beginning of his\nreign at the FCC. He said they were going to take a real\nhands off approach, so it's funny that they would blame\nthe regulators for causing the collapse. One thing he did\nget right, is that he wasn't worried that the US was behind\nEurope in the wireless licensing spectrum. This is something\nvery prescient in that most of those licensors have had to\neat their lunch over the huge licensing costs they paid for\nvery little benefit. His legacy was/is supposed to be\nrethinking the FCC's role to stay out of the way in this\nperiod of business innovation in the wireless space as he\ndidn't want the government forcing business models onto\nthe private sector.\n\nHis full transcript is here [1]. Interestingly enough I\ngot to see his speech in person as he was part of the whole\nCTIA'2001 Las Vegas keynote series of speakers. Clay and\nI hoped a flight out of Ontario to Las Vegas to do demo support\nfor Craig Barrett [2]. His message was that there's no difference\nbetween wired and wireless Internet--it's all the same thing.\nInstead of scalable networks, we should be thinking about scalable\ncontent (& using Magi he showed sending a blue man tv commercial\nfrom a desktop to a laptop to an ipaq to a color smartphone with\nthe content scaling back for each target platform).\n\nThe best part of the whole trip wasn't hobnobbing at all,\nbut really the fact that the Venetian had ran out of rooms.\nThey decided to put us up in one of their $10,000/night high\nroller rooms. They put Clay in one and me in another.\nThe Venetian is known for having the largest hotel rooms\nanywhere, but these ones were bigger than my whole house. 8-)\n\nGreg\n\n\n[1] http://www.fcc.gov/Speeches/Powell/2001/spmkp101.html\n[2] http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/speeches/cb20010320.htm\n\nRohit Khare wrote:\n> I can't believe I actually read a laugh-out-loud funny profile of the \n> FCC Commissioner fer crissakes! So the following article comes \n> recommended, a fine explanation of Michael Powell's extraordinary \n> equivocation.\n> \n> On the other hand, I can also agree with Werbach's Werblog entry... Rohit\n> \n>> A Trip to F.C.C. World\n>>\n>> Nicholas Lemann has a piece in the New Yorker this week about FCC \n>> Chairman Michael Powell. It's one of the first articles I've seen \n>> that captures some of Powell's real personality, and the way he's \n>> viewed in Washington. Unfortunately, Lemann ends by endorsing \n>> conventional political wisdom. After describing how Powell isn't \n>> really a fire-breathing ideological conservative, he concludes that, \n>> in essence, Powell favors the inumbent local Bell telephone companies, \n>> while a Democratic FCC would favor new entrants. I know that's not \n>> how Powell sees the world, and though I disagree with him on many \n>> issues, I think he's right to resist the old dichotomy.\n>>\n>> The telecom collapse should be a humbling experience for anyone who \n>> went through it. The disaster wasn't the regulators' fault, as some \n>> conservatives argue. But something clearly went horribly wrong, and \n>> policy-makers should learn from that experience. Contrary to Lemann's \n>> speculation, the upstart carriers won't be successful in a Gore \n>> administration, because it's too late. Virtually all of them are \n>> dead, and Wall Street has turned off the capital tap for the \n>> foreseeable future. Some may survive, but as small players rather \n>> than world-dominators. \n>>\n>> The battle between CLECs and RBOCs that Lemann so astutely parodies is \n>> old news. The next important battle in telecom will be between those \n>> who want to stay within the traditional boxes, and those who use \n>> different models entirely. That's why open broadband networks and \n>> open spectrum are so important. Whatever the regulatory environment, \n>> there is going to be consolidation in telecom. Those left out in that \n>> consolidation will face increasing pressure to create new pipes into \n>> the home, or slowly die. The victors in the consolidation game will \n>> cut back on innovation and raise prices, which will create further \n>> pressure for alternatives. \n>>\n>> Lemann is right that policy-making looks much drier and more ambiguous \n>> on the ground than through the lens of history. But he's wrong in \n>> thinking that telecom's future will be something like its past.\n>>\n>> Friday, October 04, 2002\n>> 11:17:11 AM comments {0} \n> \n> \n> ==============================================================\n> http://www.newyorker.com/printable/?fact/021007fa_fact\n> \n> THE CHAIRMAN \n> by NICHOLAS LEMANN\n> He's the other Powell, and no one is sure what he's up to.\n> New Yorker, October 8, 2002\n> \n> Last year, my middle son, in eighth grade and encountering his first \n> fairly serious American-history course, indignantly reported that the \n> whole subject was incomprehensible. I was shocked. What about Gettysburg \n> and the Declaration of Independence and the Selma-to-Montgomery march? \n> Just look at my textbook, he said, and when I did I saw his point. His \n> class had got up to the eighteen-forties. What I expected was a big \n> beefing up of the roles of Sacagawea and Crispus Attucks, and, in-deed, \n> there was some of that. But the main difference between my son's text \n> and that of my own childhood was that somebody had made the disastrous \n> decision to devote most of it to what had actually happened in American \n> history. There were pages and pages on tariffs and bank charters and \n> reciprocal trade agreements. I skipped ahead, past the Civil War, hoping \n> for easier going, only to encounter currency floats and the regulation \n> of freight rates. Only a few decades into the twentieth century did it \n> become possible to see the federal government's main function as \n> responding to dramatic crises and launching crusades for social justice, \n> instead of attempting to referee competing claims from economic interests.\n> \n> Even now, if one were to reveal what really goes on behind the pretty \n> speeches and the sanctimonious hearings in Washington, what you'd find \n> is thousands of lawyers and lobbyists madly vying for advantage, not so \n> much over the public as over each other: agribusiness versus real \n> estate, banks versus insurance companies, and so on. The arena in which \n> this competition mainly takes place is regulatory agencies and \n> commissions and the congressional committees that supervise them. It's \n> an insider's game, less because the players are secretive than because \n> the public and the press—encouraged by the players, who speak in jargon—\n> can't get themselves interested.\n> \n> One corner of Washington might be called F.C.C. World, for the Federal \n> Communications Commission. F.C.C. World has perhaps five thousand \n> denizens. They work at the commission itself, at the House and Senate \n> commerce committees, and at the Washington offices of the companies that \n> the commission regulates. They read Communications Daily (subscription \n> price: $3,695 a year), and every year around Christmastime they \n> grumblingly attend the Chairman's Dinner, at a Washington hotel, where \n> the high point of the evening is a scripted, supposedly self-deprecating \n> comedy routine by the commission's chairman.\n> \n> Of all the federal agencies and commissions, the F.C.C. is the one that \n> Americans ought to be most interested in; after all, it is involved with \n> a business sector that accounts for about fifteen per cent of the \n> American economy, as well as important aspects of daily life—telephone \n> and television and radio and newspapers and the Internet. And right now \n> F.C.C. World is in, if not a crisis, at least a very soapy lather, \n> because a good portion of what the angry public thinks of as the \n> \"corporate scandals\" concerns the economic collapse of companies \n> regulated by the F.C.C. Qwest, WorldCom, Adelphia, and Global Crossing, \n> among others, are (or were) part of F.C.C. World. AOL Time Warner is \n> part of F.C.C. World. Jack Grubman, the former Salomon Smith Barney \n> analyst who seems to have succeeded Kenneth Lay, of Enron, as the \n> embodiment of the corporate scandals, is part of F.C.C. World. In the \n> past two years, companies belonging to F.C.C. World have lost trillions \n> of dollars in stock-market valuation, and have collectively served as a \n> dead weight pulling down the entire stock market.\n> \n> This year, an alarmed and acerbic anonymous memorandum about the state \n> of the F.C.C. has been circulating widely within F.C.C. World. It evokes \n> F.C.C. World's feverish mood (\"The F.C.C. is fiddling while Rome burns\") \n> and suggests why nobody besides residents of F.C.C. World has thought of \n> the commission in connection with the corporate scandals. The sentence I \n> just quoted is followed by this explanation: \"The ILECs appear likely to \n> enter all l.d. markets within twelve months, while losing virtually no \n> residential customers to attackers since 1996, and suffering about 10% \n> market share loss in business lines to CLECs.\" It's a lot easier to \n> think about evil C.E.O.s than to decipher that.\n> \n> \n> Even in good times, F.C.C. World pays obsessive attention to the \n> commission's chairman. In bad times, the attention becomes especially \n> intense; and when the chairman is a celebrity F.C.C. World devotes \n> itself to full-time chairman-watching. The current chairman, Michael \n> Powell, is a celebrity, at least by government-official standards, \n> because he is the only son of Colin Powell, the Secretary of State. \n> Unlike his father, he has a kind of mesmerizing ambiguity, which \n> generates enormous, and at times apoplectically toned, speculation about \n> who he really is and what he's really up to. Powell is young to be the \n> head of a federal agency—he is thirty-nine—and genially charming. \n> Everybody likes him. Before becoming chairman, he was for three years \n> one of the F.C.C.'s five commissioners; not only is he fluent in the \n> F.C.C.'s incomprehensible patois, he has a Clintonesque love of the \n> arcane details of communications policy. He's always saying that he's an \n> \"avid moderate.\" And yet he has a rage-inciting quality. One of his \n> predecessors as chairman, Reed Hundt, quoted in Forbes, compared Powell \n> to Herbert Hoover. Mark Cooper, of the Consumer Federation of America, \n> calls him \"radical and extreme.\" Just as often as he's accused of being \n> a right-wing ideologue, Powell gets accused of being paralytically \n> cautious. \"It ain't about singing 'Kum-Ba-Yah' around the campfire,\" \n> another former chairman, William Kennard, says. \"You have to have an \n> answer.\" One day last spring, Powell, testifying before a Senate \n> subcommittee, delivered an anodyne opening statement, and the \n> subcommittee's chairman, Ernest Hollings, of South Carolina, berated \n> him. \"You don't care about these regulations,\" Hollings said. \"You don't \n> care about the law or what Congress sets down. . . . That's the \n> fundamental. That's the misgiving I have of your administration over \n> there. It just is amazing to me. You just pell-mell down the road and \n> seem to not care at all. I think you'd be a wonderful executive \n> vice-president of a chamber of commerce, but not a chairman of a \n> regulatory commission at the government level. Are you happy in your job?\"\n> \n> \"Extremely,\" Powell said, with an amiable smile.\n> \n> \n> One cannot understand Powell's maddening effect, at least on Democrats \n> and liberal activists, without understanding not just the stated purpose \n> of the commission he chairs but also its real purpose. The F.C.C. was \n> created by Congress in 1934, but it existed in prototype well before the \n> New Deal, because it performs a function that is one of the classic easy \n> cases for government intervention in the private economy: making sure \n> that broadcasters stick to their assigned spots on the airwaves. Its \n> other original function was preventing American Telephone & Telegraph, \n> the national monopoly phone company, from treating its customers \n> unfairly. Over the decades, as F.C.C. World grew up into a comfortable, \n> well-established place, the F.C.C. segued into the role of industrial \n> supervision—its real purpose. It was supposed to manage the competition \n> among communications companies so that it didn't become too bloody, by \n> artfully deciding who would be allowed to enter what line of business. \n> In addition to looking out for the public's interest, the commission \n> more specifically protected the interests of members of Congress, many \n> of whom regard the media companies in their districts as the single most \n> terrifying category of interest group—you can cross the local bank \n> president and live to tell the tale, but not the local broadcaster. \n> According to an oft-told F.C.C. World anecdote, President Clinton once \n> blocked an attempt to allow television stations to buy daily newspapers \n> in the same city because, he said, if the so-and-so who owned the \n> anti-Clinton Little Rock Democrat-Gazette had owned the leading TV \n> station in Little Rock, too, Clinton would never have become President.\n> \n> \n> F.C.C. World may have been con tentious, but it was settled, too, \n> because all the reasonably powerful players had created secure economic \n> niches for themselves. Then, in the nineteen-eighties, the successful \n> breakup of A.T. & T.—by far the biggest and most important company the \n> commission regulated—deposited a thick additional sediment of \n> self-confidence onto the consciousness of F.C.C. World. A generation \n> ago, for most Americans, there was one local phone company, one \n> long-distance company, and one company that manufactured telephones, \n> which customers were not permitted to own—and they were all the same \n> company. It was illegal to plug any device into a phone line. By the \n> mid-nineteen-nineties, there were a dozen economically viable local \n> phone companies, a handful of national long-distance companies competing \n> to offer customers the lowest price and best service, and stores \n> everywhere selling telephone equipment from many manufacturers—and \n> millions of Americans had a fax machine and a modem operating over the \n> telephone lines. A.T. & T. had argued for years that it was a \"natural \n> monopoly,\" requiring protection from economic competition and total \n> control over its lines. So much for that argument. Over the same period, \n> the F.C.C. had assisted in the birth of cable television and cell phones \n> and the Internet. It was the dream of federal-agency success come true: \n> consumers vastly better served, and the industry much bigger and more \n> prosperous, too.\n> \n> The next big step was supposed to be the Telecommunications Act of 1996, \n> one of those massive, endlessly lobbied-over pieces of legislation which \n> most people outside F.C.C. World probably felt it was safe to ignore. \n> Although the Telecom Act sailed under the rhetorical banner of \n> modernization and deregulation, its essence was a grand interest-group \n> bargain, in which the local phone companies, known to headline writers \n> as \"baby Bells\" and to F.C.C. World as \"arbocks\" (the pronounced version \n> of RBOCs, or regional Bell operating companies), would be permitted to \n> offer long-distance service in exchange for letting the long-distance \n> companies and smaller new phone companies use their lines to compete for \n> customers. Consumers would win, because for the first time they would \n> get the benefits of competition in local service while getting even more \n> competition than they already had in long distance. But the politics and \n> economics of the Telecom Act (which was shepherded through Congress by \n> Vice-President Gore) were just as important. Democrats saw the act as \n> helping to reposition them as the technology party—the party that \n> brought the Internet into every home, created hundreds of thousands of \n> jobs in new companies, and, not least, set off an investment boom whose \n> beneficiaries might become the party's new contributor base. Clinton's \n> slogans about the \"information superhighway\" and \"building a bridge to \n> the twenty-first century,\" which, like all Clinton slogans, artfully \n> sent different messages to different constituencies, were the rhetorical \n> correlates of the Telecom Act, and Gore's cruise to the Presidency was \n> supposed to be powered substantially by the act's success.\n> \n> The F.C.C. had a crucial role in all this. The arbocks are rich, \n> aggressive, politically powerful, and generally Republican (though like \n> all important interest groups they work with both parties); they \n> immediately filed lawsuits, which wound up tying the hands of their new \n> competitors in the local phone market for more than three years. Through \n> rule-making, enforcement, and litigation, the F.C.C., then headed by \n> Reed Hundt, who was Gore's classmate at St. Albans, was supposed to keep \n> the arbocks in their cages, so that not only long-distance companies \n> like A.T. & T. and MCI WorldCom but also a whole category of new \n> companies, \"see-lecks\" (the pronounced version of CLECs, or competitive \n> local exchange carriers), could emerge. This entailed the regulatory \n> equivalent of hand-to-hand combat: the see-leck is supposed to have \n> access to the arbock's switching equipment, the arbock won't give the \n> seeleck a key to the room where it's kept, so the see-leck asks the \n> F.C.C. to rule that the arbock has to give it the key.\n> \n> Partly because Hundt assured the see-lecks and other new companies that \n> he would protect them, and partly because of the generally booming \n> condition of the economy then, investment capital flooded into the \n> see-lecks—companies with names like Winstar, Covad, and Teligent—and \n> into other telecommunications companies. Even not obviously related \n> technology companies like Cisco Systems benefitted from the telecom \n> boom: demand for their products was supposed to come from the see-lecks \n> and other new players. There would be no conflict between the interests \n> of the new telecom companies and those of consumers; as one of Hundt's \n> former lieutenants told me, \"Reed used to joke that my job was to make \n> sure that all prices went down and all stocks went up.\"\n> \n> \n> The years following the passage of the Telecom Act were the peak of the \n> boom. Wall Street had its blood up, and that meant not just more \n> startups but also more mergers of existing communications companies: \n> Time Warner and AOL decided to throw in together, and A.T. & T. and \n> Comcast, and so on. (Surely, WorldCom and the other telecom bad guys \n> believed that their self-dealing, stock-overselling, and creative \n> accounting would go unnoticed because the market was so undiscriminating.)\n> \n> By the time the outcome of the 2000 Presidential election had been \n> determined, the telecom crash was well under way. Nonetheless, the \n> chairmanship of the F.C.C. remained one of the best jobs, in terms of \n> influence and visibility, available to a career government regulator. \n> Three Republicans emerged as candidates: Powell, who was a commissioner; \n> Harold Furchtgott-Roth, the farthest-to-the-right commissioner; and \n> Patrick Wood, the head of the Texas Public Utility Commission and, as \n> such, a George W. Bush guy. In Texas, however, Wood had crossed the most \n> powerful person in the arbock camp, Edward Whitacre, the C.E.O. of \n> S.B.C. Communications, which is headquartered in San Antonio. This meant \n> that the arbocks didn't want Wood as head of the F.C.C., because he \n> might be too pro-see-leck. (Wood is now the head of the Federal Energy \n> Regulatory Commission.) Michael Powell had to signal the arbocks that he \n> wasn't as threatening as Wood, while also signalling the conservative \n> movement that he was only negligibly farther to the left than \n> Furchtgott-Roth.\n> \n> Powell did this deftly. For example, in December of 2000 he appeared \n> before a conservative group called the Progress & Freedom Foundation and \n> gave a very Michael Powell speech—whimsical, intellectual, and \n> free-associative (Biblical history, Joseph Schumpeter, Moore's Law)—that \n> began by making fun of the idea that the F.C.C. should try to keep new \n> telecom companies alive. \"In the wake of the 1996 Act, the F.C.C. is \n> often cast as the Grinch who stole Christmas,\" Powell said. \"Like the \n> Whos, down in Who-ville, who feast on Who-pudding and rare Who-roast \n> beast, the communications industry was preparing to feast on the \n> deregulatory fruits it believed would inevitably sprout from the Act's \n> fertile soil. But this feast the F.C.C. Grinch did not like in the \n> least, so it is thought.\" Thus Powell was indicating that if he became \n> chairman he didn't expect to administer first aid to the see-lecks as \n> part of the job. He was appointed to the chairmanship on the first day \n> of the Bush Administration.\n> \n> Twenty months into the Administration, nearly all the see-lecks are dead \n> or dying; nearly all long-distance companies, not just WorldCom, are in \n> serious trouble; cable companies have lost half their value; satellite \n> companies are staggering. The crash has had an automatically \n> concentrating effect, because as new companies die the existing \n> companies' market share increases, and, if the existing companies are in \n> good shape financially, they have the opportunity to pick up damaged \n> companies at bargain prices. During the Bush Administration, as the \n> financial carnage in communications has worsened, the communications \n> industry has moved in the direction of more concentration. If the Bells \n> wind up protecting their regional monopolies in local phone service, and \n> if they also merge, the country will be on its way to having a national \n> duopoly in local service: Verizon, in the East, and S.B.C., in the West. \n> And these companies could dominate long distance as well, because of the \n> poor health of the long-distance companies.\n> \n> The cable business also seems close to having two dominant national \n> companies, AOL Time Warner and Comcast. Unlike the phone companies, they \n> don't have to share their wiring with other companies and so can more \n> fully control what material they allow to enter people's homes. As part \n> of the complicated bargaining with interest groups that led to the 1996 \n> Telecom Act, the limits on concentration in the radio industry were \n> significantly loosened, and in the past six years the number of \n> radio-station owners in the United States has been cut by twenty-five \n> per cent; today, a large portion of local and national radio news \n> programming is supplied by a single company, Westwood One, a subsidiary \n> of Viacom.\n> \n> In this situation, many Democrats and liberals think, the F.C.C. should \n> be hyperactive—the superhero of government regulation, springing to the \n> rescue of both consumers and the communications industry. It should try \n> to breathe life into the see-lecks and other new companies. It should \n> disallow mergers, maintain ownership limits, and otherwise restrain the \n> forces of concentration. It should use the government's money and muscle \n> to get new technology—especially fast Internet connections—into the \n> homes of people who can't afford it at current market prices. (An \n> analogy that a lot of people in F.C.C. World make is between telecom and \n> the Middle East: the Clinton people blame the bloodshed on the Bush \n> people, because they disengaged when they came into office, and the Bush \n> people blame it on the Clinton people, because they raised too many \n> expectations and stirred too many passions.)\n> \n> But Michael Powell's F.C.C. has not been hyperactive. Powell has been \n> conducting internal policy reviews and reforming the management of the \n> F.C.C. and waiting for the federal courts and the Congress to send him \n> signals. (In mid-September, Powell finally initiated a formal review of \n> the F.C.C.'s limits on media concentration.) This doesn't mean he has \n> been inactive; rather, he has been active in a way that further \n> infuriates his critics—in a manner that smoothly blends the genial and \n> the provocative, he muses about whether the fundamental premises of \n> F.C.C. World really make sense, while giving the impression that he's \n> having the time of his life as chairman. At his first press conference, \n> when he was asked what he was going to do about the \"digital \n> divide\"—that is, economic inequality in access to the Internet—he said, \n> \"You know, I think there is a Mercedes divide. I'd like to have one and \n> I can't afford one.\" At the National Cable & Telecommunications \n> Association convention, in Chicago, Powell, following a troupe of \n> tumblers to the stage, interrupted his walk to the podium to perform a \n> somersault.\n> \n> \n> Not long ago, I went to see Powell in his office at the F.C.C. Until \n> 1998, when the commission moved to a new building in Southwest \n> Washington, near the city's open-air fish market, F.C.C. World was at \n> the western edge of downtown, where everybody would encounter everybody \n> else at a few familiar restaurants and bars. Today, the F.C.C. building \n> looks like the office of a mortgage company in a suburban office park. \n> Even the chairman's suite, though large, is beige, carpeted, and \n> fluorescent. Powell is a bulky man who wears gold-rimmed glasses and \n> walks with a pronounced limp, the result of injuries he suffered in a \n> jeep accident in Germany, in 1987, when he was an Army officer. Because \n> of the accident, he left the Army and went to law school, where he \n> became entranced with conservative ideas about regulation, particularly \n> the idea that the government, rather than trying to correct the flaws of \n> the market before the fact—\"prophylactically,\" as he likes to say—should \n> wait till the flaws manifest themselves and then use antitrust \n> litigation to fix them. He worked briefly at a corporate law firm, and \n> then became a protégé of Joel Klein, the head of the antitrust division \n> of the Clinton Justice Department and the man who led the government's \n> legal case against Microsoft. (He was recently appointed chancellor of \n> the New York public-school system.) It testifies to Powell's political \n> skill that he is probably the only high official in the Bush \n> Administration who not only served in the Clinton Administration but \n> also maintains close ties to Bush's nemesis Senator John McCain, of \n> Arizona. One of the things about Powell that annoy people is his \n> enduring love of law school—\"It's sort of like a law-school study \n> session over there,\" one Democratic former commissioner said. As if to \n> confirm the charge, Powell, when I arrived, introduced me to four law \n> students, summer interns at the commission, whom he'd invited to sit in.\n> \n> I began by asking Powell whether he agreed with the founding assumptions \n> of the F.C.C. For example, could private companies have apportioned the \n> airwaves among themselves without the government being involved?\n> \n> \"I think we'll never know,\" Powell said. \"I don't think it's an \n> automatically bad idea, the way some people will argue. Land is probably \n> the best analogue. We don't seize all the land in the United States and \n> say, 'The government will issue licenses to use land.' If my neighbor \n> puts a fence one foot onto my property line, there's a whole body of law \n> about what I can do about that, including whether I can tear it down. If \n> a wireless company was interfering with another wireless company, it's a \n> similar proposition. There are scholars who argue—indeed, the famous \n> Ronald Coase treatise that won the Nobel Prize was about this—that \n> spectrum policy is lunacy. The market could work this out, in the kinds \n> of ways that we're accustomed to.\"\n> \n> Talking to Powell was fun. Unlike most high government officials, he \n> doesn't seem to be invested in appearing dignified or commanding. He \n> slumps in his chair and fiddles with his tie and riffs. He speaks in \n> ironic air quotes. He's like your libertarian friend in college who \n> enjoyed staying up all night asking impertinent rhetorical questions \n> about aspects of life that everybody else takes for granted but that he \n> sees as sentimental or illogical. After a while, I asked him whether he \n> thought his predecessors' excitement about the 1996 Telecommunications \n> Act had been excessive.\n> \n> \"I would start with a caveat,\" Powell said. \"Look, I can't fault those \n> judgments in and of themselves, given the time and what people thought. \n> They were not the only ones who were hysterical about the opportunities. \n> But, frankly, I've always been a little bit critical. First of all, \n> anybody who works with the act knows that it doesn't come anywhere close \n> to matching the hyperbole that was associated with it, by the President \n> on down, about the kinds of things it's going to open up. I mean, I \n> don't know what provisions are the information-superhighway provisions, \n> or what provisions are so digitally oriented, or some of the things that \n> were a big part of the theatre of its introduction. When one starts \n> reading the details, one searches, often in vain, for these provisions. \n> But, nonetheless, there was a rising dot-com excitement, and an Internet \n> excitement, and people thought this was historic legislation, and it \n> certainly was.\n> \n> \"But. We were sucking helium out of balloons, with the kinds of \n> expectations that were being bandied around, and this is before the \n> economy or the market even gets in trouble. It was a dramatically \n> exaggerated expectation—by the leadership of the commission, by \n> politicians, by the market itself, by companies themselves. It was a \n> gold rush, and led to some very detrimental business decisions, ones \n> that government encouraged by its policies, frankly. Everybody wanted to \n> see numbers go up on the board.\"\n> \n> Powell began imitating an imagined true believer in the Telecom Act. \" \n> 'I want to see ten competitors. Twenty competitors! I want to see \n> thirty-per-cent market share. Fifty-per-cent market share! I want the \n> Bells to bleed! Then we'll know we've succeeded.' \" Now Powell returned \n> to being Powell. \"I think that expectation was astonishingly \n> unrealistic, in the short term. They wanted to see it while they're \n> there. We were starting to get drunk on the juice we were drinking. And \n> the market was getting drunk on the juice we were drinking. There's no \n> question, we went too soon too fast. Too many companies took on too much \n> debt too fast before the market really had a product, or a business model.\"\n> \n> How could the Telecom Act have been handled better? \"We could have \n> chosen policies that were less hellbent on a single objective, and were \n> slightly more balanced and put more economic discipline in the system,\" \n> Powell said. \"Money chased what seemed like government-promised \n> opportunity. The problem with that is there's a morning after, and we're \n> in it. And the problem is there is no short fix for this problem. This \n> debt is going to take years to bring down to a realistic level. In some \n> ways, for short-term gain, we paid a price in long-term stability.\"\n> \n> Powell went on to say that it might have turned out differently if there \n> had been a more \"reasonable\" level of investment. \"No, we wouldn't have \n> every home in America with competitive choice yet—but we don't anyway. I \n> don't think it's the remonopolization of telephone service. I don't buy \n> that. The Bells will prosper, but did anybody believe they wouldn't? The \n> part of the story that didn't materialize was that people thought so \n> would MCI WorldCom and Sprint.\"\n> \n> Other local phone companies, he added, hadn't materialized as viable \n> businesses, either, and they never might. \"Everybody's always saying, \n> 'The regulators did this and this and this.' But, candidly, the story's \n> quite the opposite. I think the regulators bent over backward for six \n> years to give them a chance. Conditions don't get that good except once \n> every thirty years, and it didn't happen. So, whatever the reason, we're \n> looking at a WorldCom that's teetering. We're looking at a long-distance \n> business that has had a rapid decline in its revenue base. A.T. & T. is \n> breaking itself up. Sprint has struggled.\"\n> \n> Could the F.C.C. have done anything to make the long-distance companies \n> stronger? \"At the F.C.C.? I think I'll just be blunt. My political \n> answer? Yes, there's all kinds of things we can do at the margin to try \n> to help. But I can't find thirty billion dollars for WorldCom somewhere. \n> I can't mitigate the impacts of an accounting scandal and an S.E.C. \n> investigation. Were I king, it would be wonderful, but I don't have \n> those kinds of levers. I don't know whether anybody does. At some point, \n> companies are expected to run themselves in a way that keeps them from \n> dying.\" Powell couldn't have made it much clearer that he doesn't think \n> it's his responsibility to do anything about the telecom crash. He has \n> demonstrated his sure political touch by making accommodationist \n> gestures—in August, for example, five months after disbanding the \n> F.C.C.'s Accounting Safeguards Division, Powell announced that he was \n> appointing a committee to study accounting standards in the \n> communications industry. But that shows that Powell is better at riding \n> out the storm than, say, Harvey Pitt, his counterpart at the Securities \n> and Exchange Commission, and does not mean that he plans to try to shore \n> up the telecom industry.\n> \n> I asked Powell if it would bother him if, for most people, only one \n> company provided cable television and only one provided local phone \n> service. \"Yes,\" he said. \"It concerns us that there's one of each of \n> those things, but let's not diminish the importance of there being one \n> of each of those things. That still is a nice suite of communications \n> capabilities, even if they aren't direct analogues of each other.\" \n> Anyway, Powell said, before long the phone companies will be able to \n> provide video service over their lines, and the cable companies will \n> provide data service over their lines, so there will be more choice. \n> \"So, yeah, we have this anxiety: we have one of everything. The question \n> is, Does it stay that way?\"\n> \n> The concentration of ownership and the concentrated control of \n> information did not appear to trouble Powell, either. He said that \n> people confuse bigness, which brings many benefits, with concentration, \n> which distorts markets. \"If this were just economics, it's easy. If you \n> were to say to me, 'Mike, just worry about economic concentration,' we \n> know how to do that—the econometrics of antitrust. I can tell you when a \n> market's too concentrated and prices are going to rise. The problem is \n> other dimensions, like political, ideological, sometimes emotional. Take \n> the question of, if everybody's controlling what you see, the assumption \n> there is that somehow there'll be this viewpoint, a monolithic \n> viewpoint, pushed on you by your media and you won't get diversity. I \n> think that's a possibility. I don't think it's nearly the possibility \n> that's ascribed to it sometimes.\"\n> \n> Powell explained, \"Sometimes when we see very pointed political or \n> parochial programming, it gets attacked as unfair. I see some of the \n> same people who claim they want diversity go crazy when Rush Limbaugh \n> exists. They love diversity, but somehow we should run Howard Stern off \n> the planet. If it has a point of view, then it becomes accused of bias, \n> and then we have policies like\"—here his tone went from ironic to \n> sarcastic—\"the fairness doctrine, which seems to me like the antithesis \n> of what I thought those people cared about. So when somebody is pointed \n> and opinionated, we do all this stuff in the name of journalistic \n> fairness and integrity or whatever, to make them balance it out.\"\n> \n> \n> F.C.C. World abounds in theories about Michael Powell. One is that he \n> can't make up his mind about how to address the crisis in the industries \n> he regulates—so he talks (and talks and talks) flamboyantly about the \n> market, in order to buy himself time. Another is that he's carrying \n> water for the arbocks and the big cable companies. Another is that he is \n> planning to run for the Senate from Virginia (or to be appointed \n> Attorney General in a second Bush term), and doesn't want to do anything \n> at the F.C.C. that would diminish his chances. Another is that he's \n> waiting to move until there is more consensus on some course of action, \n> so that he doesn't wind up going first and getting caught in the \n> crossfire between the arbocks and the cable companies and the television \n> networks. (In F.C.C. World, this is known as the Powell Doctrine of \n> Telecom, after Colin Powell's idea that the United States should never \n> commit itself militarily without a clear objective, overwhelming force, \n> and an exit strategy.) And another is that he actually believes what he \n> says, and thinks the telecommunications crash is natural, healthy, and \n> irreversible, and more concentration would be just fine.\n> \n> \"This is why elections matter,\" Reed Hundt, who isn't happy about what \n> has become of his Telecom Act, told me. It's true that the F.C.C.—much \n> more than, say, the war in Afghanistan—is a case in which a Gore \n> Administration would be acting quite differently from the Bush \n> Administration. Consumers might have noticed the difference by now, but \n> there's no question whether communications companies have noticed. The \n> arbocks are doing better against their internal rivals than they would \n> have done if Gore had won. Next election, they'll help the party that \n> helped them. If the Republicans win, policy will tilt further in the \n> arbocks' favor. If they lose, perhaps the arbocks' rivals—the \n> long-distance companies and the telecommunications upstarts—with their \n> friends now in power, will stage a comeback. America's present is not \n> unrecognizably different from America's past.\n> \n> \n\n\n-- \nGregory Alan Bolcer, CTO \| work: +1.949.833.2800\ngbolcer at endeavors.com \| http://endeavors.com\nEndeavors Technology, Inc.\| cell: +1.714.928.5476\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"\n\nBegin forwarded message:\n\n> From: Ian Andrew Bell <hello@ianbell.com>\n> Date: Wed Oct 9, 2002 11:16:09 PM US/Pacific\n> To: mike@michaelmoore.com\n> Cc: foib@ianbell.com\n> Subject: [POLITICOS] Re: \"Bowling for Columbine,\" Opens This Friday\n>\n> Michael,\n>\n> Why is it that people who consider voting in an election an \n> inconvenience would go to see a movie to show support for its message? \n> Don't get me wrong -- I think this is the case. People will go to \n> see your movie as much to be entertained and informed as they will to \n> express their malice and discontent towards not only the present \n> regime in America, but also the corrupt, empty, shallow pantomime \n> which cast them into power.\n>\n> In reality, today the voting that takes place via the act of \n> consumption far outweighs the impact caused by people going to a booth \n> and dimpling the appropriate chad, or some other such convoluted act \n> of free democratic expression.\n>\n> Why? Because in America, they believe in dollars. Dollars don't lie. \n> In practise, they are the last frontier of truth in America, \n> universally accepted as expressions of fear, desire, passion, and \n> need. Compared to the swing of the almighty buck, and Jeb Bush knows \n> this, a hanging chad has only the nethermost meaning.\n>\n> Given that fact, I modestly propose an entirely new, though wholly \n> logical, extension to the current democratic system in place in \n> America:\n>\n> I propose we augment, and effectively replace, the electoral system \n> with a political stock market. We should accept that Politicians are \n> entrepreneurs just like any other businessperson in America, and \n> embrace this fact in building an economic system which truly reflects \n> their intent. A politician should issue a constant number of shares \n> dependent upon his tenure in government. Those shares should be \n> traded on an open exchange, say the G.R.E.E.D. (short, of course, for \n> the \"Global Realists' Electoral Exchange -- Democratic\"). Politicians \n> we believe in will see their stocks rise higher as faith in their \n> ability to maintain office grows. As the truth about their embezzling \n> campaign funds for weekend trips to Maui with their interns is \n> revealed, of course, their fortunes will fall.\n>\n> This represents an opportunity for the market forces -- those same \n> forces which you intend to harness to express your own personal \n> protest -- to voice their opinion on the quality of America's \n> governance during the intervening four years between elections. \n> Elections themselves will in effect become meaningless, as they are \n> now, since their outcome will be influenced by the stock price of each \n> and every congressman, senator, and presidential candidate.\n>\n> Just think of the coverage that could be given on MSNBC! \"Strom \n> Thurman (STROM: news - quotes) was down 15% today on fears that his \n> latest heart operation will render him unable to attend Senate Armed \n> Services committee meetings until November..\" This would provide \n> rejuvenating content to the econo-political news sector, which has \n> found post-economic-bubble coverage to be both tiresome and \n> deoressing. The establishment of this new stock exchange would of \n> course create jobs for newly unemployed (and governmentally retrained) \n> IT systems engineers who could, after passing the electoral securities \n> exam, become floor traders.\n>\n> This would also allow for a convenient and very public method by which \n> candidates could raise capital in the public markets to support their \n> multi-billion-dollar campaigns. The requirement for the support of \n> legions of spin doctors, permanent campaign managers, and investor \n> relations personnel would also create jobs -- perhaps even a new \n> practice for Ernst & Young, Arthur Anderson, et al. Insider trading \n> scandals and misleading revenue declarations would of course catch \n> Martha Stewart as an unwitting beneficiary, thus spreading her \n> influence to politics.\n>\n> Dividends, if there are any on record, at the close of a politician's \n> career could be paid to current shareholders based on the holdings. \n> Pensions funds could provide the institutional investment support \n> necessary to underpin even the biggest dogs among the Beltway set. \n> Union funds, brokerages, and even pump-and-dump houses could benefit \n> from meteoric rises in conservative candidates running in the \n> Southeast, and the Bush Governmet would be allowed to place Social \n> Security bets where they really mattered. investors who lose their \n> retirement, life savings, and support could rest assured that they \n> were indeed robbed by crooks rather than poor investors.\n>\n> Although there's no way to protect any of these for Worldcom-like \n> crashes, ambitious, inspired, District Attorneys could file criminal \n> suits against Candidates and Campaign Managers who underperform \n> expectations, thus assuring investors that their logic was not faulty \n> -- instead, they were merely defrauded by crooks and thieves.\n>\n> On the whole, I believe the system could work. I could certainly work \n> as well as our beloved securities trading industry and, given the \n> American electoral system's success at effectively expressing the will \n> of the people, it certainly couldn't do any worse...\n>\n> In the meantime, Mike, I think I'll go see your movie and try to \n> depose the President.\n>\n> -Ian.\n>\n>\n>\n> On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 03:53 PM, Michael Moore's Mailing \n> List wrote:\n>\n>> October 9, 2002\n>>\n>> My Film, \"Bowling for Columbine,\" Opens This Friday\n>>\n>> Dear friends, fans, and fellow evildoers:\n>>\n>> I am very happy and excited to tell you that this Friday, October 11, \n>> my\n>> new\n>> film, \"Bowling for Columbine,\" will open in New York and Los Angeles.\n>>\n>> It is, I promise, the last thing the Bushies want projected on the \n>> movie\n>> screens across America this week. The film is, first and foremost, a\n>> devastating indictment of the violence that is done in our name for \n>> profit\n>> and power -- and no one, in all the advance screenings I have \n>> attended, has\n>> left the theatre with anything short of rage. I truly believe this \n>> film has\n>> the potential to rock the nation and get people energized to do \n>> something.\n>>\n>> This is not good news for Junior and Company. Not when they are \n>> trying to\n>> drag us into another war. Not when a crazed sniper is exercising his\n>> constitutional right to own a high-powered rifle. Not when John \n>> Ashcroft is\n>> still prohibiting the FBI from looking through the gun background \n>> check\n>> files to see if any of the 19 hijackers or their associates purchased \n>> any\n>> weapons prior to 9/11 -- because THAT, we are told, would \"violate\" \n>> these\n>> terrorists' sacred Second Amendment rights!\n>>\n>> Yes, I believe this movie can create a lot of havoc -- but I will \n>> need ALL\n>> of you to help me do this. Are you game?\n>>\n>> Last February 5th, I wrote to tell you about a book I had written and \n>> how\n>> the publisher had decided to dump it because they were afraid to \n>> publish\n>> anything critical of Bush after 9/11. I appealed to you to save \n>> \"Stupid\n>> White Men\" from the shredder and to go out and buy it. I promised you \n>> would\n>> not regret it, and that the book would not only be a great read but an\n>> important organizing tool in gumming up the plans of George W. Bush.\n>>\n>> Within 24 hours, the book went to #1 on the Amazon best seller list. \n>> By the\n>> fifth day, the book was already into its 9th printing. The publisher \n>> was\n>> torn between its desire to kill the book or make a wad of money. \n>> Greed won\n>> out, and this Sunday the book enters its 31st week on the New York \n>> Times\n>> best seller list -- and its 32nd printing. This is all because of \n>> you, my\n>> crazy and loyal friends. You made this happen, against all the odds.\n>>\n>> Now I would like to ask you again to help me with my latest work, \n>> \"Bowling\n>> for Columbine.\" It's a movie that many critics have already called my \n>> best\n>> film to date. They may be right. It is certainly the most provocative \n>> thing\n>> I have ever done. I have spent three years on it and, I have to say, \n>> it\n>> cuts\n>> deeper, harder and funnier that anything I have given you so far.\n>>\n>> The movie opens this Friday in New York and Los Angeles, and then in \n>> 8 more\n>> cities next week. How it does in these first ten cities will determine\n>> whether or not the rest of the country gets to see it. That is the \n>> nutty\n>> way\n>> our films are released. If it doesn't have a big opening weekend, you \n>> can\n>> kiss the film good-bye. Therefore, this weekend, this film must be \n>> seen by\n>> millions of Americans. Can you help me make that happen?\n>>\n>> \"Bowling for Columbine\" is not a film simply about guns or school\n>> shootings.\n>> That is only the starting point for my 2-hour journey into the dark \n>> soul of\n>> a country that is both victim and master of an enormous amount of \n>> violence,\n>> both at home and around the world. With this movie I have broadened my\n>> canvas to paint a portrait of our nation at the beginning of the 21st\n>> century, a nation that seems hell-bent on killing first and asking\n>> questions\n>> later. It is a movie about the state sponsored acts of violence and\n>> terrorism against our own poor, and how we have created a culture of \n>> fear\n>> that is based on the racial dilemma we continue to ignore. And it's a\n>> devastating comedy.\n>>\n>> This film is going to upset some pretty big apple carts. No film has \n>> EVER\n>> said the things I am saying in \"Bowling for Columbine.\" I expect to be\n>> attacked. I expect certain theatres will not show it for fear of\n>> retribution. I expect that this movie will be a bitter pill for many \n>> to\n>> swallow.\n>>\n>> This is why I need your help. Movies live or die based on what \n>> happens at\n>> the box office the first weekend of its release. I need you, if you \n>> live in\n>> the New York or L.A. area, to go see \"Bowling for Columbine\" this \n>> Friday\n>> and\n>> Saturday -- and take as many family members and friends with you as\n>> possible. I guarantee you will not be disappointed -- and you may \n>> just see\n>> one of the best films of the year.\n>>\n>> Monday night in Times Square, \"Bowling for Columbine\" had its \n>> premiere. The\n>> crowd was amazing, as it was this past Saturday night at the Chicago \n>> Film\n>> Festival. The audience kept laughing or hooting or applauding so loud\n>> throughout the film that it was hard to hear the next line.\n>>\n>> The hate mail, the threats, the promises of retribution have already\n>> started\n>> to roll in to the distributor of this movie, United Artists. They are \n>> not\n>> backing down. But how long will this last? I need all of you in the \n>> New\n>> York\n>> tri-state and southern California areas to go see \"Bowling for \n>> Columbine\"\n>> THIS weekend -- the rest of you can see it in a couple of weeks when \n>> it\n>> comes to your town. A strong opening not only means that the rest of\n>> America\n>> will see this film, it means that a good number of people who see it \n>> are\n>> going to leave the film angry enough to get active and get involved. \n>> If it\n>> does poorly, I will have a difficult time finding the funding for the \n>> movie\n>> I want to make next -- a film about 9/11 and how Bush is using that \n>> tragic\n>> day as a cover for his right-wing agenda.\n>>\n>> Don't let that happen. Don't let the NRA have one more success by \n>> stopping\n>> the wider distribution of this movie. And, together, let us not remain\n>> silent in our opposition to Bush's phony war against Iraq.\n>>\n>> If you live in New York, you can see it at the Lincoln Plaza, the \n>> Sunshine\n>> and the Loews 19th St. In L.A., you can catch it at the Sunset 5, the\n>> Westwood Regent, Laemmle Sunset, Laemmle Towncenter (Encino), Landmark\n>> Rialto (Pasadena), and Regal University (Irvine). Also, please \n>> forward this\n>> to your other friends and tell them to go see \"Bowling for Columbine\" \n>> this\n>> weekend.\n>>\n>> And finally, don't miss our new website www.bowlingforcolumbine.com\n>>\n>> Thank you for your help with this. I feel so honored and privileged \n>> to have\n>> so many people interested in my work. Last January I was getting \n>> 70,000\n>> hits\n>> a month on my website. Last month, I got 17 million hits. This alone \n>> speaks\n>> volumes about the vast majority all of us belong to who are sick and \n>> tired\n>> of what is going on and are longing for an alternative source of\n>> information.\n>>\n>> I hope that you enjoy \"Bowling for Columbine.\"\n>>\n>> Thank you again...\n>>\n>> Yours,\n>>\n>> Michael Moore\n>>\n>> ---\n>>\n>> If you wish to be be unsubscribed from this mailing list, please \n>> click the\n>> link below and follow the instructions.\n>>\n>> http://www.michaelmoore.com/mailing/unsubscribe.php\n>\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Dan Brickley wrote:\n> Except that thanks to the magic of spam, it's usually some else's locale\n\nyeah, physical mail makes more sense for physical locales.\n\n> There are better technical solutions to privacy\n> protection than sending a copy of the same message to everyone on the\n> Internet, so the recipients can't be blamed for reading it.\n\nSuch as?\n\nAnything equivalent will be spam, just not email spam. Dump entry IPs for\nan anonymizing network onto a public bulletin board that's used for other\npurposes -- still spam. Etc etc.\n\nI'm not arguing against other solutions, I'm arguing that spam is speech. \nIf you let governments ban it, you're giving them the power to choose who \ngets to speak.\n\n- Lucas\n\n\n\nhttp://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	["> From: Robert Elz <kre@munnari.OZ.AU>\n> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 18:56:05 +0700\n>\n> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:04:06 -0500\n> From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030460647.7351a3@DeepEddy.Com>\n> Message-ID: <1030028647.6462.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com>\n> \n> \| hmmm, I assume you're going to report this to the nmh folks?\n> \n> Yes, I will, sometime, after I look at the nmh sources and see what\n> they have managed to break, and why.\n> \n> But we really want exmh to operate with all the versions of nmh that\n> exist, don't we? The patch to have exmh do the right thing, whether this\n> bug exists, or not, is trivial, so I'd suggest including it.\n> \n> Patch follows ...\n> \n> I have no idea why the sequences were being added after the message list\n> before, not that it should make any difference to nmh (or MH). But since\n> I stopped doing that, the variable \"msgs\" isn't really needed any more,\n> rather than assigning $pick(msgs) to msgs, and then using $msgs the code\n> could just use $pick(msgs) where $msgs is now used. This is just a\n> frill though, so I didn't change that. \n\nI'll fix this in CVS this afternoon.\n\nThanks,\nChris\n\n-- \nChris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/\nvirCIO http://www.virCIO.Com\n716 Congress, Suite 200\nAustin, TX 78701\t\t+1 512 374 0500\n\n World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers.\n\n\n\n", "…"]
1ham	easy_ham	"\nlately I've got the feeling that exmh is getting slower and slower. I \njust decided to check that vs. reality, and yes, speed has left the \nscene somewhere between the release of 2.5 and now.\n\nI checked on a number of small messages in a big folder (~10000 \nmsgs). The delay of the Next button has increased considerably:\n\n2.5-release: 350-450 msec\nlatest cvs: 1000-12000 msec\n\nFrankly I think this is getting close to non-acceptable since the \nuser settings hasn't changed.\n\nAnybody have any ideas where performance disappeared?\n\n/Anders\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-workers mailing list\nExmh-workers@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	["> From: Anders Eriksson <aeriksson@fastmail.fm>\n> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:00:36 +0200\n>\n> \n> lately I've got the feeling that exmh is getting slower and slower. I \n> just decided to check that vs. reality, and yes, speed has left the \n> scene somewhere between the release of 2.5 and now.\n> \n> I checked on a number of small messages in a big folder (~10000 \n> msgs). The delay of the Next button has increased considerably:\n> \n> 2.5-release: 350-450 msec\n> latest cvs: 1000-12000 msec\n> \n> Frankly I think this is getting close to non-acceptable since the \n> user settings hasn't changed.\n> \n> Anybody have any ideas where performance disappeared?\n\nMost likely in the added overhead of managing more sequences.\n\nI'm sure it can be tuned a bunch, but as I'm leaving for a vacation on Friday, \nand have plenty of \"real work\" to do, I won't be able to do much until I get \nback.\n\nI will look at all this when I get back, but if you want to check into \nwhat's slow and fix things while I'm gone, my feelings won't be hurt.\n\nChris\n\n-- \nChris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/\nvirCIO http://www.virCIO.Com\n716 Congress, Suite 200\nAustin, TX 78701\t\t+1 512 374 0500\n\n World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers.\n\n\n\n", "…"]
1ham	easy_ham	["> From: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu\n> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:22:46 -0400\n>\n> I'm perfectly willing to can-opener that code and see where the CPU is\n> going, but only if nobody is slapping their forehead and mumbling about\n> a brown-paper-bag bug... ;)\n\nAs I mentioned in my email to Anders, it's certainly in my code and I don't \nhave time to work on it right now, so I would not be offended if you worked on \nit.\n\nI just this moment found out that my partner has promised a few things would be \ndone before my vacation that will require my efforts, so it's even more true \nthat it was when I sent the mail to Anders.\n\nChris\n\n-- \nChris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/\nvirCIO http://www.virCIO.Com\n716 Congress, Suite 200\nAustin, TX 78701\t\t+1 512 374 0500\n\n World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers.\n\n\n\n", "…"]
1ham	easy_ham	"\n\ncwg-dated-1030817858.a49b7e@DeepEddy.Com said:\n> From: Anders Eriksson <aeriksson@fastmail.fm>\n> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:00:36 +0200 >\n> \n> lately I've got the feeling that exmh is getting slower and slower. I \n> just decided to check that vs. reality, and yes, speed has left the \n> scene somewhere between the release of 2.5 and now.\n> \n> I checked on a number of small messages in a big folder (~10000 \n> msgs). The delay of the Next button has increased considerably:\n> \n> 2.5-release: 350-450 msec\n> latest cvs: 1000-12000 msec\n> \n> Frankly I think this is getting close to non-acceptable since the \n> user settings hasn't changed.\n> \n> Anybody have any ideas where performance disappeared?\n> Most likely in the added overhead of managing more sequences.\n> I'm sure it can be tuned a bunch, but as I'm leaving for a vacation on\n> Friday, and have plenty of \"real work\" to do, I won't be able to do\n> much until I get back.\n\n> I will look at all this when I get back, but if you want to check\n> into what's slow and fix things while I'm gone, my feelings won't be\n> hurt.\n\n> Chris \n\nJust one more info. I measured the time spent wrapping the stuff in \nFtoc_Next with time {} so the data is for real. One difference \nbetween mine and Valdis' setup (judging from his trace) is that I use \nthe address book. I've been doing that for ages so that can't be the \nproblem.\n\nIs there a way to get the log to print time with higher granularity?\n\n/A\n\n\n\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-workers mailing list\nExmh-workers@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"\nValdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu said:\n> I checked on a number of small messages in a big folder (~10000 \n> msgs). The delay of the Next button has increased considerably:\n> \n> 2.5-release: 350-450 msec\n> latest cvs: 1000-12000 msec\n> I'm not seeing a hit on 'next'. A quick \"just pound on 'next' and\n> watch the wall clock\" test shows me able to go through 20 messages in\n> under 5 seconds, so it's well under 250ms per switch, but I'm seeing a\n> really piggy CPU spike (100% for a few seconds) in the 'flist' code.\n> Of course, it seems to be related to number-of-folders:\n\n> [~] wc Mail/.folders\n> 131 131 1122 Mail/.folders \n\nI have 167 folders (!) and run with bg-proc set to flist (1 minute). \nI see delays, but not that much. Maybe 1-3 seconds (which tend to \ndisappear these days). This is on a PII-266.\n\nBR,\n/A\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-workers mailing list\nExmh-workers@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	" Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:27:56 -0500\n From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030804078.e8b0d5@DeepEddy.Com>\n Message-ID: <1030372078.11075.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com>\n\n \| Tell me what keystroke made it happen so I can reproduce it and I'll\n \| see what I can do about it (or if I can't, I'll hand it off to Brent).\n\nDon't worry too much about it, you seem to have plenty of other things\nto do in the immediate future, and this one isn't so critical that people\ncan't use the code in normal ways.\n\nBut, to make it happen, type (with normal key bindings) any digit, so the\ncode thinks you're trying a message number, then backspace, so the digit\ngoes away, then '-' (other junk characters don't seem to have the\nproblem, I have just been playing). That will do it (every time).\n\nThat is: 0 ^h -\n\nOnce you get into that state, the same traceback occurs for every\ncharacter you type, until a message is selected with the mouse.\n\nThis is looking like it might be easy to find and fix, so I'll take a\nlook at it later.\n\nkre\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-workers mailing list\nExmh-workers@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"You can also duplicate thiswith\n\nMsgChange - noshow\n\nat the Tcl prompt in the Log window. I suspect that the sequence\nparser, which understands things like 5-22 to mean messages 5 through 22\nis confused when asked to add/remove message \"-\" from a sequence.\n\nIf we are allowed to assume 8.2 or higher, which we can't really, then\nwe could add\n\nif {![string is integer $select(sel)]} {\n # bail out of message select mode\n}\nto the SelectTypein procedure.\n\nWe can probably survive with\n\nif {![regexp {^[0-9]+$} $select(sel)]} {\n #bail out of message select mode\n}\n\n>>>Robert Elz said:\n > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:27:56 -0500\n > From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030804078.e8b0d5@DeepEddy.Co\nm>\n > Message-ID: <1030372078.11075.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com>\n > \n > \| Tell me what keystroke made it happen so I can reproduce it and I'll\n > \| see what I can do about it (or if I can't, I'll hand it off to \nBrent).\n > \n > Don't worry too much about it, you seem to have plenty of other things\n > to do in the immediate future, and this one isn't so critical that people\n > can't use the code in normal ways.\n > \n > But, to make it happen, type (with normal key bindings) any digit, so the\n > code thinks you're trying a message number, then backspace, so the digit\n > goes away, then '-' (other junk characters don't seem to have the\n > problem, I have just been playing). That will do it (every time).\n > \n > That is: 0 ^h -\n > \n > Once you get into that state, the same traceback occurs for every\n > character you type, until a message is selected with the mouse.\n > \n > This is looking like it might be easy to find and fix, so I'll take a\n > look at it later.\n\n\n--\nBrent Welch\nSoftware Architect, Panasas Inc\nPioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network\nwww.panasas.com\nwelch@panasas.com\n\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-workers mailing list\nExmh-workers@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"\nI may be wrong but I think a single select entry field is used\nfor selecting messages and switching folders. Restricting the entries\nto be numeric would break the folder switching functionality, wouldn't\nit?\n\nMy version of MsgChange, not yet updated, has a check\n\n if {$msgid != {}} {\n\t# Allow null msgid from Msg_ShowWhat, which supplies line instead\n\tif {$msgid < 0} return\n } else {\n ...\n\nat the start of the procedure which takes care of the single '-' case.\nPerhaps the thing to do is for MsgChange to validate a msgid as a\nnumber before continuing.\n\nKevin\n\nIn message <200208280108.VAA30178@blackcomb.panasas.com>, Brent Welch writes:\n> You can also duplicate thiswith\n> \n> MsgChange - noshow\n> \n> at the Tcl prompt in the Log window. I suspect that the sequence\n> parser, which understands things like 5-22 to mean messages 5 through 22\n> is confused when asked to add/remove message \"-\" from a sequence.\n> \n> If we are allowed to assume 8.2 or higher, which we can't really, then\n> we could add\n> \n> if {![string is integer $select(sel)]} {\n> # bail out of message select mode\n> }\n> to the SelectTypein procedure.\n> \n> We can probably survive with\n> \n> if {![regexp {^[0-9]+$} $select(sel)]} {\n> #bail out of message select mode\n> }\n> \n> >>>Robert Elz said:\n> > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:27:56 -0500\n> > From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030804078.e8b0d5@DeepEddy.Co\n> m>\n> > Message-ID: <1030372078.11075.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com>\n> > \n> > \| Tell me what keystroke made it happen so I can reproduce it and I'll\n> > \| see what I can do about it (or if I can't, I'll hand it off to \n> Brent).\n> > \n> > Don't worry too much about it, you seem to have plenty of other things\n> > to do in the immediate future, and this one isn't so critical that people\n> > can't use the code in normal ways.\n> > \n> > But, to make it happen, type (with normal key bindings) any digit, so the\n> > code thinks you're trying a message number, then backspace, so the digit\n> > goes away, then '-' (other junk characters don't seem to have the\n> > problem, I have just been playing). That will do it (every time).\n> > \n> > That is: 0 ^h -\n> > \n> > Once you get into that state, the same traceback occurs for every\n> > character you type, until a message is selected with the mouse.\n> > \n> > This is looking like it might be easy to find and fix, so I'll take a\n> > look at it later.\n> \n> \n> --\n> Brent Welch\n> Software Architect, Panasas Inc\n> Pioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network\n> www.panasas.com\n> welch@panasas.com\n> \n> \n> \n> \n> _______________________________________________\n> Exmh-workers mailing list\n> Exmh-workers@redhat.com\n> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-workers mailing list\nExmh-workers@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"I have some patches that seem to fix/avoid this problem now. (It is\namazing what one can achieve when mains power fails, long enough for\nUPS's to run out, and all that is left operational is the laptop and\nits battery supply...)\n\nFirst, I put in some defensive code into the area where the problem was\noccurring, so that if exmh is attempting (for any reason) to expand a\nsequence that isn't either a number, or a range of numbers (or a list of\nsuch things) it will simply ignore the trash, rather than giving a traceback.\nThis one solves the initial problem:\n\n--- mh.tcl.WAS\tThu Aug 22 21:15:06 2002\n+++ mh.tcl\tWed Aug 28 12:39:11 2002\n@@ -487,6 +487,10 @@\n set seq {}\n set rseq {}\n foreach range [split [string trim $sequence]] {\n+\tif ![regexp {^[0-9]+(-[0-9]+)?$} $range] {\n+\t # just ignore anything bogus\n+\t continue;\n+\t}\n \tset parts [split [string trim $range] -]\n \tif {[llength $parts] == 1} {\n \t lappend seq $parts\n\n\nThat is amending proc MhSeqExpand which is where the error was occurring\nbefore (the code assumes that $range is either NNN or NNN-MMM so we should\nprobably make sure that's true - issue an error instead of just \"continue\"\nif you like, but I don't think an error is needed).\n\nBut that just allowed me to create a similar problem, in another place,\nby typing \"NNN-\" ... and rather than continue to fight fires like this,\nI thought I should think more about Brent's suggestion. But rather than\nhave the selection code actually validate the input, which would mean it\nwould have to know what is to be valid, I decided that the right thing to\ndo is just to ignore any errors caused by invalid input, so I just stuck\na \"catch\" around the MsgShow that is processing the nonsense that the\nuser has typed.\n\nThis way, any later expansion to what MsgShow treats as legal (maybe\nallowing a sequence name, like \"prev\" or \"next\", or anything else can\nbe handled just there, without someone needing to remember that they have\nto go fix the selection processing code to allow it.\n\nBut, while I was playing there, I noticed something I never new before.\nIf you type \"66+\" the \"66\" changes to \"67\" (and so on, for each + that\nis typed). I suspect that's perhaps an artifact of \"+ is bound to a\ndifferent function so it can be used as a toggle between changing the\ncurrent and the target folder, but it has to mean something if the current\ninput mode is a message number, so let it mean...\", but now I found it,\nI think its nice. But if we can type 66+ why not 66- as well? That\nkind of limitation bugs me, so I fixed it.\n\nAnd then I wondered about folders with names containing '+' - the special\nuse of + as the toggle character means there's no way to type those from\nthe keyboard. So I fixed that as well. This makes two different\nrestrictions - there's no way to type a folder name that has a name\nbeginning with '+' (but such a thing in MH would be a pain to use anyway,\nso I doubt this will bother anyone), and it is now only possible to\ntoggle between typing the current & target folder name when the name\nbeing typed is empty. I'm less happy about that part, but I think I\ncan live with it in order to allow folder names with +'s in them to\nexist and be typed.\n\nThen, since I was there anyway, I decided to do something about another\nfeature that has always bugged me. In \"normal\" keyboard mode, 's' is\nthe key used to show a message. But if you've just typed 123, and\nthe FTOC is highlighting 123 as the current message, and you want to now\nshow that message, you can't type 's', you have to type \\r instead.\nSo I \"fixed\" this one as well. \"Fixed\" here is in quotes, as it assumes\nthat the keybinding for MsgShow is 's', if you change that to something\nelse, it will remain 's' in here. I don't know enough tk/tcl to have it\ndiscover what key is bound to a function in the external world in order\nto bind the same one here. \\r continues to work of course.\n\nAnd now I got started in fixing irritants in this code, I also made it\nclear the status line if you abort message/folder entry mode (^C or ^G).\nPreviously it used to leave the prompt sitting there until the next\nmessage appeared, which made it less than obvious that the keyboard had\nreverted to its usual bindings.\n\nIn any case, what follows is the patch that does all of that. I believe\nthat if you apply this, then the one above is probably not needed, the\n\"catch\" around the \"MsgShow\" will hide the problem (I don't think we really\nneed to fix Brent's way of invoking it). Or include it anyway, just\nfor completeness (I haven't run an exmh with the following patch, but not\nthe previous one, so I don't know for sure that all will be OK then).\n\nkre\n\n--- select.tcl.WAS\tThu Aug 22 21:15:07 2002\n+++ select.tcl\tWed Aug 28 13:36:17 2002\n@@ -49,9 +49,11 @@\n bindtags $w [list $w Entry]\n bind $w <Any-Key>\t{SelectTypein %W %A}\n bind $w <Key-plus>\t{SelectToggle %W }\n+ bind $w <Key-minus>\t{SelectPrev %W }\n bind $w <space>\t{SelectComplete %W}\n bind $w <Tab>\t{SelectComplete %W}\n bind $w <Return>\t{SelectReturn %W}\n+ bind $w <Key-s>\t{SelectReturn %W %A}\n bind $w <BackSpace>\t{SelectBackSpace %W}\n bind $w <Control-h>\t{SelectBackSpace %W}\n bind $w <Delete>\t{SelectBackSpace %W}\n@@ -72,7 +74,7 @@\n append select(sel) $a\n Exmh_Status \"$select(prompt) $select(sel)\"\n if ![info exists select(folder)] {\n-\tMsg_Change $select(sel) noshow\n+\tcatch { Msg_Change $select(sel) noshow }\n }\n }\n proc SelectBackSpace { w } {\n@@ -91,6 +93,10 @@\n proc SelectToggle {w} {\n global select\n if [info exists select(folder)] {\n+\tif {$select(sel) != \"\"} {\n+\t SelectTypein $w +\n+\t return\n+\t}\n \tset select(toggle) [list [lindex $select(toggle) 1] [lindex $select(toggle) 0]]\n \tset select(prompt) \"[lindex $select(toggle) 0] Folder:\"\n } else {\n@@ -101,6 +107,18 @@\n }\n Exmh_Status \"$select(prompt) $select(sel)\"\n }\n+proc SelectPrev {w} {\n+ global select\n+ if [info exists select(folder)] {\n+\tSelectTypein $w \"-\"\n+ } else {\n+\tcatch {\n+\t incr select(sel) -1\n+\t Msg_Change $select(sel) noshow\n+\t}\n+ Exmh_Status \"$select(prompt) $select(sel)\"\n+ }\n+}\n proc SelectComplete { w } {\n global select\n if [info exists select(folder)] {\n@@ -126,9 +144,13 @@\n \tExmh_Status \"$select(prompt) $select(sel)\"\n }\n }\n-proc SelectReturn { w } {\n+proc SelectReturn { w {a {}} } {\n global select\n if [info exists select(folder)] {\n+\tif {$a != {}} {\n+\t SelectTypein $w $a\n+\t return\n+\t}\n \tif [info exists select(match)] {\n \t set select(sel) $select(match)\n \t unset select(match)\n@@ -151,6 +173,7 @@\n \tunset select(folder)\n }\n $select(entry) configure -state disabled\n+ Exmh_Status \"\"\n Exmh_Focus\n }\n proc SelectClear { w } {\n\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-workers mailing list\nExmh-workers@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"\nme:\n> >Spam is the tool for dissident news, since the fact that it's unsolicited \n> >means that recipients can't be blamed for being on a mailing list.\n> \n\nRussell Turpin:\n> That depends on how the list is collected, or\n> even on what the senders say about how the list\n> is collected. Better to just put it on a website,\n> and that way it can be surfed anonymously. AND\n> it doesn't clutter my inbox.\n\nIt doesn't work that way. A website is opt-in, spam is no-opt. If you\nvisit a samizdat site you can get in trouble. If you get samizdat spam,\nthe worst that can be said is that you might have read it. And as long as\nthe mailers send to individuals who clearly didn't opt-in, like party\nofficials, then other recipients can't get in trouble for requesting the\nmail. \n\nPlus, it's much harder to block spam than web sites.\n\nBut this shouldn't come as a surprize. Spam is speech. It may be sleazy, \nbut so what.\n\n- Lucas\n\n\nhttp://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	" Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:51:21 +0700\n From: Robert Elz <kre@munnari.oz.au>\n Message-ID: <18366.1030517481@munnari.OZ.AU>\n\n\n \| But, while I was playing there, I noticed something I never new before.\n\nI also no the difference between new & knew, but I don't always type well...\nUm, I mean, I know the difference...\n\nkre\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-workers mailing list\nExmh-workers@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	" Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:04:06 -0500\n From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030460647.7351a3@DeepEddy.Com>\n Message-ID: <1030028647.6462.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com>\n\n \| hmmm, I assume you're going to report this to the nmh folks?\n\nIt turns out, when I did some investigation, that my memory of how MH\nworked here was wrong (that's not unusual) - the -seq switch seems to\nhave always done -nolist (requiring a subsequent -list to turn it on\nagain).\n\nGiven that, I have no idea how the pick code as it was ever worked. In\nfact, it quite possibly never did the way it was intended to (I have just\nbeen browsing the 2.5 sources, and that seems to be attempting to do things\nthat I never saw happen).\n\nIt may be that your new sequence method just exposed the bug that had been\nthere all along.\n\nGiven this, I won't be sending any bug reports to the nmh people. If nmh\never seems to be showing any signs further progress, and if I remember this\nthen, I might send them a change request. The code to make the change is\ntrivial.\n\nkre\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-workers mailing list\nExmh-workers@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	["> From: Robert Elz <kre@munnari.OZ.AU>\n> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:06:30 +0700\n>\n> It may be that your new sequence method just exposed the bug that had been\n> there all along.\n\ngrin That's what the past 3 or 4 months of exmh hacking has been all about \nfor me.\n\nI've now stabilized everything pretty well for my paid job, so I'll probably \npoke around at the sequences performance issues, but rather than checking \nchanges in, I'll email anything I figure out since I'm leaving town in less \nthan 48 hours.\n\nChris\n\n-- \nChris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/\nvirCIO http://www.virCIO.Com\n716 Congress, Suite 200\nAustin, TX 78701\t\t+1 512 374 0500\n\n World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers.\n\n\n\n", "…"]
1ham	easy_ham	" Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:22:34 -0500\n From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030976555.34ad5b@DeepEddy.Com>\n Message-ID: <1030544555.28815.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com>\n\n\n \| so I'll probably poke around at the sequences performance issues,\n\nWell, there's this wonderful piece of code in MhSeqExpand ...\n\n # Hack to weed out sequence numbers for messages that don't exist\n foreach m $rseq {\n if ![file exists $mhProfile(path)/$folder/$m] {\n Exmh_Debug $mhProfile(path)/$folder/$m not found\n set ix [lsearch $seq $m]\n set seq [lreplace $seq $ix $ix]\n } else {\n # Real hack\n break\n }\n }\n\nwhich is going to run slow if a sequence happens to start with a bunch\nof messages that don't exist. I'm not sure why it is important that the\nfirst message in the sequence returned exists, but not necessarily any\nof the others, but I'm sure glad it is, as MhSeqExpand gets called lots,\nand I don't know if I could cope if it were checking every file in the\nsequences it is looking at, all the time...\n\nIt may help to keep a list of the valid message numbers for the current\nfolder (though that would then need to be verified against changes to the\ndirectory). Does tcl have a directory read function? I assume so...\n\nMh_Sequence also goes and rereads the files (.mh_sequences and the\ncontext file) but I'm not sure how frequently that one is called.\n\n \| I'll email anything I figure out since I'm leaving town in less \n \| than 48 hours.\n\nHave a good vacation.\n\nkre\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-workers mailing list\nExmh-workers@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	["> From: Robert Elz <kre@munnari.OZ.AU>\n> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:44:26 +0700\n>\n> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:22:34 -0500\n> From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030976555.34ad5b@DeepEddy.Com>\n> Message-ID: <1030544555.28815.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com>\n> \n> \n> \| so I'll probably poke around at the sequences performance issues,\n> \n> Well, there's this wonderful piece of code in MhSeqExpand ...\n> \n> # Hack to weed out sequence numbers for messages that don't exist\n> foreach m $rseq {\n> if ![file exists $mhProfile(path)/$folder/$m] {\n> Exmh_Debug $mhProfile(path)/$folder/$m not found\n> set ix [lsearch $seq $m]\n> set seq [lreplace $seq $ix $ix]\n> } else {\n> # Real hack\n> break\n> }\n> }\n> \n> which is going to run slow if a sequence happens to start with a bunch\n> of messages that don't exist. I'm not sure why it is important that the\n> first message in the sequence returned exists, but not necessarily any\n> of the others, but I'm sure glad it is, as MhSeqExpand gets called lots,\n> and I don't know if I could cope if it were checking every file in the\n> sequences it is looking at, all the time...\n\nAlthough my fingerprints are all over that, it's not actually my code and has \nbeen in there since before 1998. (It's code that I moved from mh.tcl to \nsequences.tcl and back again). I'm no5 sure either, but it should be a \none-time penalty because the sequence will be re-written with the bad messages \nremoved. (I think.)\n\n> It may help to keep a list of the valid message numbers for the current\n> folder (though that would then need to be verified against changes to the\n> directory). Does tcl have a directory read function? I assume so...\n> \n> Mh_Sequence also goes and rereads the files (.mh_sequences and the\n> context file) but I'm not sure how frequently that one is called.\n\nThat was a problem, but if you look at Mh_Sequence (and Mh_Sequences and \nMh_SequenceUpdate), they all call MhReadSeqs to do the actual reading and it \nonly reads the sequences if the file has been touched. Look for the \n\"Exmh_Debug Reading $filename\" output in the debug log to see when sequences \nare actually reread from disk.\n\n\nMy theory is that Ftoc_ShowSequences is being called too often. I'm about to \ninvestigate that.\n\n> \| I'll email anything I figure out since I'm leaving town in less \n> \| than 48 hours.\n> \n> Have a good vacation.\n\nThanks.\n\nChris\n\n-- \nChris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/\nvirCIO http://www.virCIO.Com\n716 Congress, Suite 200\nAustin, TX 78701\t\t+1 512 374 0500\n\n World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers.\n\n\n\n", "…"]
1ham	easy_ham	["> From: Anders Eriksson <aeriksson@fastmail.fm>\n> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:00:36 +0200\n>\n> \n> lately I've got the feeling that exmh is getting slower and slower. I \n> just decided to check that vs. reality, and yes, speed has left the \n> scene somewhere between the release of 2.5 and now.\n> \n> I checked on a number of small messages in a big folder (~10000 \n> msgs). The delay of the Next button has increased considerably:\n> \n> 2.5-release: 350-450 msec\n> latest cvs: 1000-12000 msec\n> \n> Frankly I think this is getting close to non-acceptable since the \n> user settings hasn't changed.\n> \n> Anybody have any ideas where performance disappeared?\n\nHere's a fix that I think will make a real difference.\n\nFtoc_ShowSequences needs to be able to be called with an optional list of msgids \nto update and if it's called that way it only removes or adds tags for those \nmessages. Then in places like MsgChange, we only update the messages which have\nchanged.\n\nAlso, a separate Ftoc_ShowSequence function which only updates the display of \none sequence should be written which also takes an optional list of msgids. \nIn a place like MsgChange, it would only need to update the cur sequence.\n\nIf nobody else gets to it, I'll do this when I get back.\n\nChris\n\n-- \nChris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/\nvirCIO http://www.virCIO.Com\n716 Congress, Suite 200\nAustin, TX 78701\t\t+1 512 374 0500\n\n World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers.\n\n\n\n", "…"]
1ham	easy_ham	["> From: Brent Welch <welch@panasas.com>\n> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:32:42 -0700\n>\n> \n> >>>Robert Elz said:\n> > Mh_Sequence also goes and rereads the files (.mh_sequences and the\n> > context file) but I'm not sure how frequently that one is called.\n> \n> In some places I maintain caches of files by checking their modify time,\n> but the sequence files are soo small that by the time you stat them to\n> check their date stamp, you could just read them again.\n\nDo you really think this is true? I added a modify time check thinking that \nit would make an improvement since we were reading it a lot more times in \nthe new code because we're trying to use the sequences.\n\nOn the other hand, the sequences files are probably being read out of cache \nwhen that happens anyway.\n\nEven with a small file, I'd think that the time taken to do a \n[file mtime $filename] would be worth it. My code is in proc MhReadSeqs.\n\nChris\n\n-- \nChris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/\nvirCIO http://www.virCIO.Com\n716 Congress, Suite 200\nAustin, TX 78701\t\t+1 512 374 0500\n\n World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers.\n\n\n\n", "…"]
1ham	easy_ham	"Well, I've used the check-the-modify-time cache trick for files in\nmany places (not just exmh) so some part of me certainly thinks it\nis effective. However, it occurred to me that if we do checkpoint\nstate, then aren't we modifying the sequences file for the current\nfolder on every message read? Perhaps we look at the sequences file\nmore than once per message view? Just idle speculation - we can\nstick in some time calls to find out how expensive things are.\n\nSomeone asked about increasing the time resolution in the exmh log.\nWe could make that conditional on some support available in 8.3 -\nTcl has had \"clock seconds\" (like gettimeofday) and \"clock clicks\"\n(high resolution timer) for some time. But in 8.3 we've calibrated\nclock clicks values to microseconds. It is still only useful for\nrelative times, but each call to Exmh_Log could emit the microsecond\ndelta since the last log record. Of course, we are measuring all\nthe overhead of taking the log record, etc. I'll try it out.\n\n>>>Chris Garrigues said:\n > > From: Brent Welch <welch@panasas.com>\n > > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:32:42 -0700\n > >\n > > \n > > >>>Robert Elz said:\n > > > Mh_Sequence also goes and rereads the files (.mh_sequences and the\n > > > context file) but I'm not sure how frequently that one is called.\n > > \n > > In some places I maintain caches of files by checking their modify\n > time,\n > > but the sequence files are soo small that by the time you stat them to\n > > check their date stamp, you could just read them again.\n > \n > Do you really think this is true? I added a modify time check thinking\n > that \n > it would make an improvement since we were reading it a lot more times\n > in \n > the new code because we're trying to use the sequences.\n > \n > On the other hand, the sequences files are probably being read out of\n > cache \n > when that happens anyway.\n > \n > Even with a small file, I'd think that the time taken to do a \n > [file mtime $filename] would be worth it. My code is in proc\n > MhReadSeqs.\n > \n > Chris\n > \n > -- \n > Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/\n > virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com\n > 716 Congress, Suite 200\n > Austin, TX 78701\t\t+1 512 374 0500\n > \n > World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers.\n > \n > \n\n--\nBrent Welch\nSoftware Architect, Panasas Inc\nPioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network\nwww.panasas.com\nwelch@panasas.com\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-workers mailing list\nExmh-workers@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	["> From: Brent Welch <welch@panasas.com>\n> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:40:21 -0700\n>\n> Well, I've used the check-the-modify-time cache trick for files in\n> many places (not just exmh) so some part of me certainly thinks it\n> is effective. However, it occurred to me that if we do checkpoint\n> state, then aren't we modifying the sequences file for the current\n> folder on every message read? Perhaps we look at the sequences file\n> more than once per message view? \n\nAs I'd written the code a few months ago, we were reading the sequences file \nfirst to see what sequences were in it and then once per sequence. This \nhappens anywhere that we look at sequences, most notably in Ftoc_ShowSequences.\nThat seemed to be an obvious lose performancewise, but I wanted my abstraction to \nhave a separate call for \"what sequences are in this folder?\" and \"what \nmessages are in this sequence?\". One option would have been to add another \ncall to get the data off of disk, but I felt that the check-the-modify-time \ntechnique would be less error-prone.\n\nI think the biggest gains would be from augmenting Ftoc_ShowSequences to allow \na finer specification of what needs to be updated in the ftoc so that the \ncurrent code would only be run when we really do have to update all sequences \nfor all messages. I described these thoughts in an email message yesterday.\n\nAnd again, if it can wait a few weeks, I'm willing to do it.\n\nChris\n\n-- \nChris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/\nvirCIO http://www.virCIO.Com\n716 Congress, Suite 200\nAustin, TX 78701\t\t+1 512 374 0500\n\n World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers.\n\n\n\n", "…"]
1ham	easy_ham	"\n>>>Chris Garrigues said:\n > > From: Brent Welch <welch@panasas.com>\n > > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:40:21 -0700\n > >\n > > Well, I've used the check-the-modify-time cache trick for files in\n > > many places (not just exmh) so some part of me certainly thinks it\n > > is effective. However, it occurred to me that if we do checkpoint\n > > state, then aren't we modifying the sequences file for the current\n > > folder on every message read? Perhaps we look at the sequences file\n > > more than once per message view? \n > \n > As I'd written the code a few months ago, we were reading the sequences\n > file \n > first to see what sequences were in it and then once per sequence. This\n > \n > happens anywhere that we look at sequences, most notably in\n > Ftoc_ShowSequences.\n > That seemed to be an obvious lose performancewise, but I wanted my\n > abstraction to \n > have a separate call for \"what sequences are in this folder?\" and \"what \n > messages are in this sequence?\". One option would have been to add\n > another \n > call to get the data off of disk, but I felt that the\n > check-the-modify-time \n > technique would be less error-prone.\n\nI like the check-the-modify-time technique.\n\n > I think the biggest gains would be from augmenting Ftoc_ShowSequences to\n > allow \n > a finer specification of what needs to be updated in the ftoc so that\n > the \n > current code would only be run when we really do have to update all\n > sequences \n > for all messages. I described these thoughts in an email message\n > yesterday.\n > \n > And again, if it can wait a few weeks, I'm willing to do it.\n\nOK - I've yet to dive into the latest round of changes, but I plan to.\nI can say I'll make any progress, but I may dabble. Thanks again for\nall your work in this area. Generalized sequence support has been on\nmy to do list for about 8 years.\n\n--\nBrent Welch\nSoftware Architect, Panasas Inc\nPioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network\nwww.panasas.com\nwelch@panasas.com\n\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-workers mailing list\nExmh-workers@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"If you haven't already, you should enable the debug log under\nHacking Support preferences and look for clues there.\n\n>>>Reg Clemens said:\n > > Hi,\n > > \n > > On Sun, 01 Sep 2002 00:05:03 MDT Reg Clemens wrote: \n > > \n > > [...]\n > > > in messages with GnuPG signatures. But punching the line ALWAYS\n > > > gives\n > > > \n > > > Signature made Thu Aug 29 00:27:17 2002 MDT using DSA key ID BDD\n F997A\n > > > Can't check signature: public key not found\n > > > \n > > > So, something else is missing.\n > > \n > > Yes, the public key of the signature you want to check :-).\n > > \n > > Are you really sure that you have the public key of the message's\n > > signature? If not, try downloading it or try to check a signature from\n > > which you know you have the public key.\n > > \n > > \n > > \n > \n > Ah, sorry for not making that clearer.\n > But no.\n > Previously (v1.0.6 of GnuPG) there would be a slight pause at this point whi\n le\n > it went out to get the public key from a keyserver.\n > Now, whether I have the key or NOT, I get the failure message.\n > \n > Its as if it cant find gpg to execute it (but I fixed that path), so there\n > must be something else that I am missing...\n > \n > \n > -- \n > Reg.Clemens\n > reg@dwf.com\n > \n > \n > \n > \n > _______________________________________________\n > Exmh-users mailing list\n > Exmh-users@redhat.com\n > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users\n\n--\nBrent Welch\nSoftware Architect, Panasas Inc\nPioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network\nwww.panasas.com\nwelch@panasas.com\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-users mailing list\nExmh-users@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"If you haven't already, you should enable the debug log under\nHacking Support preferences and look for clues there.\n\n>>>Reg Clemens said:\n > > Hi,\n > > \n > > On Sun, 01 Sep 2002 00:05:03 MDT Reg Clemens wrote: \n > > \n > > [...]\n > > > in messages with GnuPG signatures. But punching the line ALWAYS\n > > > gives\n > > > \n > > > Signature made Thu Aug 29 00:27:17 2002 MDT using DSA key ID BDD\n F997A\n > > > Can't check signature: public key not found\n > > > \n > > > So, something else is missing.\n > > \n > > Yes, the public key of the signature you want to check :-).\n > > \n > > Are you really sure that you have the public key of the message's\n > > signature? If not, try downloading it or try to check a signature from\n > > which you know you have the public key.\n > > \n > > \n > > \n > \n > Ah, sorry for not making that clearer.\n > But no.\n > Previously (v1.0.6 of GnuPG) there would be a slight pause at this point whi\n le\n > it went out to get the public key from a keyserver.\n > Now, whether I have the key or NOT, I get the failure message.\n > \n > Its as if it cant find gpg to execute it (but I fixed that path), so there\n > must be something else that I am missing...\n > \n > \n > -- \n > Reg.Clemens\n > reg@dwf.com\n > \n > \n > \n > \n > _______________________________________________\n > Exmh-users mailing list\n > Exmh-users@redhat.com\n > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users\n\n--\nBrent Welch\nSoftware Architect, Panasas Inc\nPioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network\nwww.panasas.com\nwelch@panasas.com\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-users mailing list\nExmh-users@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"2 things - first, the switch parser changed in a subtle way with 8.4 -\nbyte-code compilation was added, and it is slightly more strict in\nits parsing than the original parser. You can only have a comment where\nTcl would expect to find a command. Switch has a \"pattern - body\"\nstrucutre, so if you goof and put a comment where it is trying to find\na pattern, both of you will be confused with the results. The\nsubtlty arises with extra whitespace and newlines. I can't give you\nthe exact case, but I know exmh had one example that stopped parsing\ncorrectly, and was arguably wrong before.\n\n2nd - I've managed to remain fairly ignoranat of the PGP support in\nexmh, so you'll have to dig in yourself or see if someone else on\nexmh-users or exmh-workers is having similar problems.\n\n>>>Reg Clemens said:\n > > If you haven't already, you should enable the debug log under\n > > Hacking Support preferences and look for clues there.\n > > \n > > >>>Reg Clemens said:\n > > > > Hi,\n > > > > \n > > > > On Sun, 01 Sep 2002 00:05:03 MDT Reg Clemens wrote: \n > > > > \n > > > > [...]\n > > > > > in messages with GnuPG signatures. But punching the line ALWAYS\n > > > > > gives\n > > > > > \n > > > > > Signature made Thu Aug 29 00:27:17 2002 MDT using DSA key I\n D BDD\n > > F997A\n > > > > > Can't check signature: public key not found\n > > > > > \n > > > > > So, something else is missing.\n > > > > \n > > > > Yes, the public key of the signature you want to check :-).\n > > > > \n > > > > Are you really sure that you have the public key of the message's\n > > > > signature? If not, try downloading it or try to check a signature fro\n m\n > > > > which you know you have the public key.\n > > > > \n > > > > \n > > > > \n > > > \n > > > Ah, sorry for not making that clearer.\n > > > But no.\n > > > Previously (v1.0.6 of GnuPG) there would be a slight pause at this poin\n t whi\n > > le\n > > > it went out to get the public key from a keyserver.\n > > > Now, whether I have the key or NOT, I get the failure message.\n > > > \n > > > Its as if it cant find gpg to execute it (but I fixed that path), so th\n ere\n > > > must be something else that I am missing...\n > > > \n > > > \n > > > -- \n > > > Reg.Clemens\n > > > reg@dwf.com\n > > > \n > > > \n > > > \n > > > \n > > > _______________________________________________\n > > > Exmh-users mailing list\n > > > Exmh-users@redhat.com\n > > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users\n > > \n > > --\n > > Brent Welch\n > > Software Architect, Panasas Inc\n > > Pioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network\n > > www.panasas.com\n > > welch@panasas.com\n > > \n > \n > \n > Partial solution.\n > And this MAY be related to using tcl/tk 8.4b1, as I had a similar\n > problem about a month ago elsewhere in EXMH (which you found).\n > \n > But first.\n > I really feel like something has changed out from under me\n > with my making no changes to EXMH. Namely, when I first got\n > GPG up and working (for reading signatures) all I did was\n > touch the 'Check Signature' button' and it went out and queried\n > the keyserver for me.\n > Now Im getting a separate box, after the failure to find the\n > public key on my keyring, asking me of I want to 'Query keyserver'\n > \n > I KNOW that I never had to touch a 'Query keyserver' button in\n > the past, but there it is now, and I havent touched EXMH. Spooky.\n > \n > I have been working back and forth between GPG 1.0.6 and 1.0.7\n > but its not clear how that could be the problem, as Im now getting\n > the 'Query' message when running either...\n > \n > ---\n > \n > OK, enough about my confusion.\n > The CURRENT problem seems to be a COMMENT in a SWITCH statement\n > at line 86 in pgpWWW.tcl. Tcl 8.4b1 doesnt like it and I get your\n > popup box. Remove it and no popupbox, but EXMH hangs (sigh).\n > So, not a complete solution, but at least a start.\n > \n > Thanks for the interest.\n > \n > \t\t\t\t\tReg.Clemens\n > \t\t\t\t\treg@dwf.com\n\n--\nBrent Welch\nSoftware Architect, Panasas Inc\nPioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network\nwww.panasas.com\nwelch@panasas.com\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-users mailing list\nExmh-users@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"I use exmh 2.5 with procmail for presorting incoming mail and move it to\nthe relevant folder using rcvstore.\n\nRecently, my incoming mail (or spool) location moved to another disk.\nI'm not quite clear how to reconfigure procmail/rcvstore/exmh to accept\nmail from the new location.\n\nThere seems to be a variable in exmh-defaults (bgspool). It says at the\ntop of the file not to edit these lines. So, I went ahead and edited it :-)\nThat does not make a difference.\n\nIt seems like procmail is the one that is actually reading the mail from\nmy spool/incoming mail area and piping it to rcvstore. So, I need to\nconfigure that probably.\n\nAny idea how I would do this?\n\nThanks\nSiva\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-users mailing list\nExmh-users@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	["\nOn Thu, 05 Sep 2002 14:40:53 PDT, Siva Doriaswamy writes:\n>Recently, my incoming mail (or spool) location moved to another disk.\n>I'm not quite clear how to reconfigure procmail/rcvstore/exmh to accept\n>mail from the new location.\n\nHow do you feed procmail? Not with a .forward, I'd guess.\n\nHow does mail enter your system anyway? Per fetchmail maybe? Or direct \n SMTP-delivery? Or does it just magically hit your spool?\n\nLotsa questions...\n\ncheers,\n&rw\n-- \n-- Booze: because one doesn't solve the world's problems over white wine.\n\n\n", "…"]
1ham	easy_ham	"URL: http://boingboing.net/#85481626\nDate: Not supplied\n\nDVDSynth is an open source project that allows you to splice in your own \nfootage, alternate audio, subtitles, etc, to any DVD. This means that you can \ninsert your own non-sucky subtitles, make and circulate edit-lists that make \nhighlight reels for your favorite movies, etc, etc. It all amounts to a sweet \ntool for making the audience into the _former audience_, participants in \nentertainment. Of course, it's also illegal under the DMCA, since the tool also \nnecessarily circumvents the copy-prevention in pre-recorded DVDs to accomplish \nits ends. Link[1] Discuss[2] (_via NTK[3]_)\n\n[1] http://www.roundelay.net/dvdsynth/prerelease.html\n[2] http://www.quicktopic.com/boing/H/ymptgyYcJan\n[3] http://www.ntk.net/\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/showbiz/2308581.stm\n\nTuesday, 8 October, 2002, 07:55 GMT 08:55 UK\nLennon killer seeks parole again\n\nThe man who shot dead former Beatle John Lennon is making another bid for\nearly release from prison - the day before what would have been Lennon's\n62nd birthday.\nMark David Chapman, 47, was jailed for life after he admitted killing the\nsuperstar outside his New York apartment building in 1980.\nIt is the second time in two years that Chapman has sought parole from\nAttica state prison.\nAt a 2000 hearing, he argued that he was no longer a danger to society and\nhad overcome the psychological problems which led him to shoot the\nex-Beatle.\nChapman had said that a voice in his head told him to shoot the star.\nShot dead\nLennon was shot four times as he emerged from a limousine outside his New\nYork City apartment on 8 December 1980.\nHe and his wife Yoko Ono were returning from a late-night recording session\nduring which time they had been working on Walking on Thin Ice.\nOnly hours before the shooting, Chapman - who had come to New York from\nHawaii - was photographed with the singer outside the same building as\nLennon signed a copy of his album Double Fantasy for him.\nThe killer said Lennon had been just \"a picture on an album cover\" to him\nbefore the shooting.\n'Deserved death'\nChapman has said that he should have received the death penalty for his\ncrime.\nLennon's widow told the 2000 parole hearing that she would not feel safe if\nChapman were released.\nLennon's songwriting partnership with Paul McCartney propelled the\nLiverpool-based pop group to international stardom and unparalleled\ncommercial success.\nThe Beatles front man, peace campaigner, and all-round iconoclast, would\nhave been 62 on Wednesday.\n\n------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~-->\nPlan to Sell a Home?\nhttp://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM\n---------------------------------------------------------------------~->\n\nTo unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:\nforteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com\n\n \n\nYour use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ \n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"URL: http://boingboing.net/#85481344\nDate: Not supplied\n\nAaron Swartz has written up a warchalking FAQ that addresses the shibboleths \nand paranoia about discovering, marking and using wireless connectivity. \n\n Is that illegal? \n\n Although I am not a lawyer, I don't think it's illegal to make chalk marks \n on the sidewalk. I know a lot of hopscotch players who'd be worried if it \n was... \n\n Well, is it immoral? \n\n Not at all! Warchalking is a helpful service to assist people in finding \n something they need (an Internet connection). \n\nLink[1] Discuss[2]\n\n[1] http://www.warchalking.org/story/2002/9/22/223831/236\n[2] http://www.quicktopic.com/boing/H/vsVYCTZE7hs\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"URL: http://scriptingnews.userland.com/backissues/2002/09/23#When:12:00:00AM\nDate: 1/1/1904; 12:00:00 AM\n\nGold Lake Mountain Resort[1] looks pretty gooood. Man there are a lot of cool \nrelaxing places to stay in Colorado. Keep the suggestions coming. \n\n[1] http://www.goldlake.com/\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"URL: http://boingboing.net/#85481660\nDate: Not supplied\n\nGoogle has seriously revamped Google News -- the system automatically gathers \ntoday's top stories and finds all the various coverage of them. It's really \nexcellent. Link[1] Discuss[2] (_Thanks, Nate!_)\n\n[1] http://news.google.com/\n[2] http://www.quicktopic.com/boing/H/miaubJpDGAnsd\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"URL: http://scriptingnews.userland.com/backissues/2002/09/23#When:12:00:00AM\nDate: 1/1/1904; 12:00:00 AM\n\nPhil Wolff: Dave Winer books I'll buy[1]. _Sweet! _\n\n[1] http://dijest.com/aka/2002/09/23.html#a2082\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"URL: http://boingboing.net/#85482231\nDate: Not supplied\n\nHomeland Alert is an OS X app that puts a little beacon in your menubar, \ntelling you what the current nationwide alert status is -- just in case you \ndon't have enough free-floating anxiety in your life. Link[1] Discuss[2] (_\nThanks, Jon[3]!_)\n\n[1] http://www.exittoshell.com/products/\n[2] http://www.quicktopic.com/boing/H/G4yCjfq37i2\n[3] http://www.talkstink.com/\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"URL: http://diveintomark.org/archives/2002/09/23.html#the_semantic_web_makes_me_sick\nDate: 2002-09-23T09:27:30-05:00\n\nNo, really. My sinus infection, which appeared to be gone, flared up again over \nthe weekend in the nastiest way, and I am now coughing up dark mucus and doing \nother things that probably don't bear repeating in a public forum. I have the \n10:15 doctor's appointment that I should have made last round, had I not \nconvinced myself that “it's not that bad” and trudged through it \nall without prescription drugs. I'm not making the same mistake this time. I'll \nbe back this afternoon. \n\nMy email problems of yesterday have been resolved. You can once again reach me \nat my normal address, f8dy@diveintomark.org. \n\nKevin Burton[1] emailed me with another way to link to a FOAF file from my RSS \nfeed. It looks easier than previous suggestions, and it has the advantage of \nbeing able to use it from an RSS 1.0 or 2.0 feed, but I worry about all these \nvariations. Just as in real life, where people can use different words that \nmean essentially the same thing, in the Semantic Web programs can use different \nvocabularies to express the same statements. That's great for producers, not so \ngreat for consumers who have to make sense of it all. \n\nFor each domain (RSS feeds, FOAF files, whatever), somebody (or some group) \nneeds to come along and document best practices. We need better _goal-oriented_ \ndocumentation. We have a lot of reference documentation, task-oriented \ndocumentation, but very little that documents that larger picture and answers \nquestions written in English. “How do I include personal information in \nmy RSS feed?” is a goal-oriented question. “Create a FOAF file \nusing this tool and then insert this line at this location in your RSS \nfeed” (with as many examples as necessary) is a goal-oriented answer. \nAnything less is like trying to master a foreign language by reading a \ndictionary.\n\n\n\n[1] http://www.peerfear.org/\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"> I don't understand. How does sorting one folder add messages to\n> other folders? What do you use to sort?\n> \n\nSorry I wasn't clear. I am transferring messages from my inbox to other folders \nand since I am doing it from most recent to oldest, they appear in those \nfolders in the wrong order and need re-sorting.\n\n--\nrick\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-users mailing list\nExmh-users@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"\nOn Mon, 09 Sep 2002 12:21:42 PDT,\n\tRick Baartman <baartman@lin12.triumf.ca> wrote:\n\n> Sorry I wasn't clear. I am transferring messages from my inbox to\n> other folders and since I am doing it from most recent to oldest, they\n> appear in those folders in the wrong order and need re-sorting.\n\nOK, gotcha.\n\nI don't think you can do that with exmh, but you can do it on the\ncommand line, if you use sh or ksh:\n\n\tfor f in `folders -fast -r`\n\tdo\n\t\techo sorting $f ...\n\t\tsortm +$f\n\tdone\n\nIt could take a long time.\n\nAt work, I have to use Outlook. Ick. I hate it. But it does a few\nthings right. Like making indices for each folder, and not just by\ndate, but also by sender, message size, subject. So I can sort by any\ncolumn instantly.\n\nI believe this is possible, too, with an IMAP compliant reader,\nprovided the IMAP server makes such indices.\n\nI am facing the fact that exmh has been left behind in some industry\nstandards. I use it for my personal mail. My mail server runs unix,\nand I connect over ssh and tunnel my X traffic over ssh. With a slow\nlink, this makes exmh very slow. And mime handling is pretty bad\ncompared with modern mailers. I am just scared to move. I've been\nusing MH or nmh since 1985 and exmh since 1995. 17 years is a long\ntime!\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-users mailing list\nExmh-users@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Rick Baartman wrote:\n> Is there a way to do a global Sort command?\n\n\nWanting to sort like that is not common; I'd be surprised if exmh has\na widget for it. You can achieve what you want with the command-line\nmh tools, though.\nI suggest doing the following from a shell prompt:\n\n sh -c 'for f in \"`folders -recurse -fast`\" ; do sortm +\"$f\" ; done'\n\n(The command \"sortm\" will sort a particular folder, and\n\"folders -recurse -fast\" prints out a list of all of your folders.)\n\n\nI hope this helps,\n Jacob Morzinski jmorzins@mit.edu\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-users mailing list\nExmh-users@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"> Russell Turpin:\n> > That depends on how the list is collected, or\n> > even on what the senders say about how the list\n> > is collected. \n\nSenders should vary the recipient list to include non-targets, like party\nofficials, and to exclude targets enough to give them plausible\ndeniability.\n\n- Lucas\n\n\nhttp://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"> On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Rick Baartman wrote:\n> > Is there a way to do a global Sort command?\n> \n> \n> Wanting to sort like that is not common; I'd be surprised if exmh has\n> a widget for it. You can achieve what you want with the command-line\n> mh tools, though.\n> I suggest doing the following from a shell prompt:\n> \n> sh -c 'for f in \"`folders -recurse -fast`\" ; do sortm +\"$f\" ; done'\n> \n> (The command \"sortm\" will sort a particular folder, and\n> \"folders -recurse -fast\" prints out a list of all of your folders.)\n> \n> \nThanks Tom and Jacob. The above works, but without the double quotes: i.e. \n\nsh -c 'for f in `folders -recurse -fast` ; do sortm +\"$f\" ; done'\n\nI'd attach this command to the sorting menu if I knew any tcl...\n\n--\nrick\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-users mailing list\nExmh-users@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"> > On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Rick Baartman wrote:\n> Thanks Tom and Jacob. The above works, but without the double quotes: i.e. \n> \n> sh -c 'for f in `folders -recurse -fast` ; do sortm +\"$f\" ; done'\n> \nBut there is a problem with making changes outside of exmh: the .xmhcache files \ndon't get updated. This is dangerous; I have to remember to re-scan each folder \nI enter. Is there a safeguard for this?\n\n--\nrick\n\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-users mailing list\nExmh-users@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"> > sh -c 'for f in \"`folders -recurse -fast`\" ; do sortm +\"$f\" ; done'\n\n> Thanks Tom and Jacob. The above works, but without the double quotes: i.e.\n>\n> sh -c 'for f in `folders -recurse -fast` ; do sortm +\"$f\" ; done'\n\nI may have a different version of \"sh\" than you do; the double quotes\naround the backticks work for my \"sh\".\n\n(In the more-than-you-really-wanted-to-know category, you're probably\nsafe without the double quotes. The only reason I put them in is that\nI have some pathologically-named folders, including folders whose\nnames contain spaces. If all your folders have safe names, you don't\nneed special quoting.)\n\n\n -Jacob\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-users mailing list\nExmh-users@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	["I suspect that as part of Chris' set of changes, he cleaned up the\nuse of the variable that was named \"L\" in FtocCommit (in ftoc.tcl).\nIts name got changed from L to lineno\n\nBut there's one reference of $L left. That causes tracebacks if\nyou attempt to use \"link\" with the current CVS version of exmh.\n\nI guess that most of us don't use \"link\" very often ... I noticed it\nlast week, but only got time to look and see why today.\n\nIf someone with the ability to commit to the CVS repository would\napply the following patch (to lib/ftoc.tcl) that would be nice.\n(It works... and is trivial, and you could perhaps just apply it by\nmaking the change with an editor faster than saving this patch and\napplying it - there's only one instance of $L in the file, that\nshould be changed to $lineno)\n\nkre\n\n\n", "--- ftoc.tcl.PREV\tWed Aug 21 15:01:48 2002\n+++ ftoc.tcl\tTue Sep 10 12:47:06 2002\n@@ -1131,9 +1131,9 @@\n \t\t}\n \t }\n \t incr ftoc(numMsgs) -1\n \t} else {\n-\t FtocUnmarkInner $L\n+\t FtocUnmarkInner $lineno\n \t}\n \tincr ftoc(changed) -1\n }\n if {$delmsgs != {}} {\n"]
1ham	easy_ham	"Done\n\n>>>Robert Elz said:\n > I suspect that as part of Chris' set of changes, he cleaned up the\n > use of the variable that was named \"L\" in FtocCommit (in ftoc.tcl).\n > Its name got changed from L to lineno\n > \n > But there's one reference of $L left. That causes tracebacks if\n > you attempt to use \"link\" with the current CVS version of exmh.\n > \n > I guess that most of us don't use \"link\" very often ... I noticed it\n > last week, but only got time to look and see why today.\n > \n > If someone with the ability to commit to the CVS repository would\n > apply the following patch (to lib/ftoc.tcl) that would be nice.\n > (It works... and is trivial, and you could perhaps just apply it by\n > making the change with an editor faster than saving this patch and\n > applying it - there's only one instance of $L in the file, that\n > should be changed to $lineno)\n > \n > kre\n > \n > \n > --- ftoc.tcl.PREV\tWed Aug 21 15:01:48 2002\n > +++ ftoc.tcl\tTue Sep 10 12:47:06 2002\n > @@ -1131,9 +1131,9 @@\n > \t\t}\n > \t }\n > \t incr ftoc(numMsgs) -1\n > \t} else {\n > -\t FtocUnmarkInner $L\n > +\t FtocUnmarkInner $lineno\n > \t}\n > \tincr ftoc(changed) -1\n > }\n > if {$delmsgs != {}} {\n > \n > --==_Exmh_16073047980--\n\n--\nBrent Welch\nSoftware Architect, Panasas Inc\nPioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network\nwww.panasas.com\nwelch@panasas.com\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-users mailing list\nExmh-users@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	["\nOn Mon, 09 Sep 2002 22:06:58 CDT, Hal DeVore writes:\n>\t\tscan `mhpath +`/$f/.xmhcache\n\nShouldn't that read\n scan >`mhpath +`/$f/.xmhcache\n ?\n\n(And, JIC something else changed the context in the background, it \n doesn't hurt to explicitly state the folder:\n scan \"+$f\" >`mhpath +`/$f/.xmhcache\n )\n\ncheers,\n&rw\n-- \n-- \"The problem with the IBM keyboards I have is that when you\n-- use them to beat lusers, the caps come off the keys.\n-- No real damage, but still a nuisance.\" -- Martijn Berlage\n\n\n", "…"]
1ham	easy_ham	"On Mon, 09 Sep 2002 15:36:37 -0400 \nTom Reingold <noglider@pobox.com> wrote:\n\n> At work, I have to use Outlook. Ick. I hate it. \n\nAhh. At work we fire people who use Outlook (Literally true: They get\nescorted to the door, their badge confiscated, and told to return the\nnext day to collect their office contents).\n\n> But it does a few things right. Like making indices for each folder,\n> and not just by date, but also by sender, message size, subject. So I\n> can sort by any column instantly.\n\nHave you looked into using a custom sequences file?\n\n> And mime handling is pretty bad compared with modern mailers.\n\nThe only thing I actually miss in that regard is support for S/MIME.\n\n-- \nJ C Lawrence \n---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. \nclaw@kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh?\t\t \nhttp://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-users mailing list\nExmh-users@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users\n\n\n"