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The Infinite Madness
Aliases:
Ultimate Chaos, The All-Seeing Horror, and The Outer Darkness
Characteristics
Height:
Inapplicable
Weight:
Inapplicable
Gender:
Inapplicable
Race:
Inapplicable
Occupations
Occupation:
Personification of the Primordial Chaos that predated all actuality, causality, reality, space, time, and order.
Goals:
None: Passive nature corrupts and defiles The Box and it's denizens.
Powers and Abilities
Powers:
Eternally containing an infinite number of omnipotent^infinite states within itself

The Infinite Madness, also known as the Outer Darkness, is the origin of all Eldritch creatures and the ultimate example of antediluvian horror. It is native to The Box.

No entity can fight the Infinite Madness, except The True God. The Rulebreaker currently works alongside the madness, since The Aspect Lords are constantly fighting many forms of the madness.

Absolutely nothing can be truly confirmed about the Infinite Madness other than it 'is and is not', because knowing anything about it, even knowing the concept of it as a potential entity, has a side affect of mutation and insanity within mortals.
Origin Edit

There is no definable origin to the Infinite Madness. It is, it is not, it always has been and it will never be. All that is known is that it and it's spawn spread their influence from verse to verse, dimension to dimension, and leave naught but madness and terror in their wake.
How the forms work Edit
Contrary to belief, there are no separate consciousnesses of The Madness, but instead it is simply capable of manifesting itself in ever version of The Box, an infinite number of minor manifestations to a larger, more sinister force, like multiple Icebergs breaking the surface, only for them to be one massive iceberg beneath.
--Azathoth--
Avatars - The Unthinkable Edit

The Unthinkable are the avatars of the Infinite Madness, each one equal in power to one of The Aspect Lords. The Unthinkable are agents of chaos and insanity, driven by a desire to destroy all forms of structure and plunge all possible and impossible cosmologies into utter metaphysical anarchy.
The Box is the cosmological object that contains everything. Regardless of internal properties, it is in the Box, for any value of "it".

This means that the Box is the largest imaginable, unimaginable, theoretical, nontheoretical, unphysical, metaphysical, pataphysical, useful or useless set. The Box is, and the Box is not, if you will.

The Box contains anything beyond space, time, reality, logic, and everything else that could ever be thought of or not thought of. The Box contains the Omniverse, as well as the infinite variations of said verse, to the point where it is not even a "verse".

The Box not only contains all of existence, but infinite variations of an infinite set of 'concepts' completely different from existence. The box contains everything outside the box, whilst still being contained by The Box. Additionally, the Box contains all properties and anything that can be elaborated or not elaborated upon; effectively, all statements include the tag "is inside the Box" by definition.

The Box also follows all types of physical realm using all properties, including metaphysical realm and pataphysical realm.

No entity, concept, possibility, or impossibility exists outside the Box. Any attempts at explaining how something exists beyond the Box are retroactively nullified; by placing something "beyond" or "outside" it, the very fact that the object/verse/being holds properties at all at all places it inside the Box. All permutations of logic are in the Box, and it also contains an infinite number of copies of itself. One version of this would be Altarca.
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   Rulers of the Box
   Lesser Versions of the Box
   Equal Versions of the Box
   Exterior of the Box
   Position on Scales
       Holomanga's Surreal Verse Levels
       Holomanga's Unreality Scale
   Interpretations
       Simplicity/Complexity View
           Symmetry View
       Reality/Unreality View
   Relationship between Nothing and the Box
   Universe Classifications of the Box
   In terms of fiction
   References

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Rulers of the Box Edit

Because the Box contains all entities with all powers and utility functions, there can be no single ruler of the Box from inside of the Box; any single entity that attempts to rule the Box would have all possible versions of itself, including those with exactly opposite motivations, also attempt to rule the Box, elsewhere. This does not include The True God.

However, omniscient entities like The Aspect Lords have learned to work in unison with each other and are aware of their parallel existences, so they can rule over The Box, but not every single little part of it since there are definable parts where the aspect lords do not hold power.
Lesser Versions of the Box Edit

Contained inside the Box are numerous lesser (but equal) versions of the Box. Their absolute containment is weaker than that of the Box itself, which means that in theory it is possible for sufficiently omnipotent beings to transcend the Box; however, this is done only on a lesser version of the Box, with the true version of the Box being beyond most levels of omnipotence, with only true omnipotence (if it exists) being able to exceed the Box.

The placement of the least version of the Box is up for debate, since how far the Box can be reduced whilst still maintaining its essential Boxlike quality depends exactly on how sufficiently Boxlike is defined. Some interpretations of the least version of the Box put it as low as merely the Omniverse, containing all of reality; other interpretations still put it infinitely higher than the Omniverse containing a vast range of paradoxes but still infinitely lesser than the Box.

Any version of the Box that is partially thinkable, including, arguably, anything described by a complex enough human conception of the Box, is also a lesser version of the Box rather than the actual Box itself. This is because the actual greatest version of the Box is both beyond unthinkable and contains everything else that is beyond unthinkable.
Equal Versions of the Box Edit

Numerous structures are equivalent to the Box and contain everything that the Box contains. These structures are contained also inside of the Box; the Box has no requirements for well-foundedness and therefore can easily contain structures that are equal to itself. These Box-equivalent structures are called top-level containers.

An example of one such structure is the Box itself. Another example of a structure is the Omniumverse, which through the Imaginarium contains the Box and everything in the Box, since all of the contents in the Box can be simply imagined through the description of the contents of the Box. Another such structure is Paradox Space, which contains the Box due to the paradoxical properties of the Box, as well as all of the contents of the Box due to any contradictions that may be present inside it (each entity within the Box has a corresponding contradictory entity).

All equal versions of the Box are beyond unthinkable, since they are obviously equally unthinkable to the main Box itself.
Exterior of the Box Edit

One natural view of the Box is to see it as some kind of structure embedded in an even larger space, which lends itself to fallacies such as the possibility of escaping the Box or a container that encloses the Box. This view is flawed because of the exterior of the Box, as a thing that can be defined, is itself contained within the Box. Anything with a high level of omnipotence (except true omnipotence, which may not be possible) that attempts to escape the box will find itself in an exterior of the Box which is itself contained within the Box.
Position on Scales Edit

One way to compare the size of any hypercosmological structure to other things is to place them on a scale and assign numerical values to them. The Box is also ranked on these scales, typically at high levels near or at the top due to the nature of the Box as the top-level structure.
Holomanga's Surreal Verse Levels Edit

On Holomanga's Surreal Verse Levels, the Box is positioned at ∞, the projective infinity on the extended surreal line greater than any other surreal number. Whilst not strictly a surreal number, the Box is positioned here in order to ensure that it is larger than any other -verse defined regardless of how complex and all-encompassing its structure is.
Holomanga's Unreality Scale Edit

On Holomanga's Unreality Scale, the Box is positioned at ∞, representing the projective infinity on an extended surreal line greater than any other surreal number. The reason for considering the Box as the most unreal thing, being infinitely unreal, is justified by the Reality/Unreality view of the Box.
Interpretations Edit

There are various ways to view the Box and sort them on existing hierarchies, many of them involving having the Box be in two dichotomous ends of an infinite scale.
Simplicity/Complexity View Edit

One perspective of the box is that it is the hypercosmological structure that requires the least information to specify. As one travels higher up any verse hierarchy, less information is needed at each level. A universe requires physics and initial conditions, but an archverse requires no initial conditions to be specified (and possibly physics with more free parameters, represented in different universes), because all timelines are present somewhere, and an omniverse requires no physics to be specified, because every possible universe is present somewhere.

At the level of the Box, absolutely no information is needed. The Box, containing literally everything, has no free parameters to modify; at most, it would require one bit, to represent whether it is either the Box or Unthinkable Reality, but even this is controversial with many models requiring zero bits to specify the Box.

Another perspective, along the same lines, is that it is the supercosmological structure that requires the most information to specify. The complete state of an elementary particle requires around five bits to specify. The complete state of a universe requires around 1090 bits. Larger structures need even more information to describe fully. The Box, containing everything, requires all possible information to specify, an unsetly infinite amount of bits vastly beyond anything else.
Symmetry View Edit

Along these lines is the symmetry view of the Box. This holds that the Box is uniquely the most symmetrical possible of any entity. This is because, regardless of what transformations are applied to the Box, it remains identical. Mirroring every part of the Box, for example, would leave the Box unchanged because it already contains the mirrored versions of all -verses and they would simply switch places without altering the Box itself.

This can follow naturally from the simplicity view, and is categorized within it, because transformations can be seen as altering the information that defines an object. The Box, without any free parameters, has any transformation applying to an empty set, which clearly leaves it unchanged.
Reality/Unreality View Edit

Another perspective places the Box as the most extant thing. Going from the absence of something to more of something makes it more existent, in a sense; a lone quark is not very existent, because most of everything possible and impossible is well outside of the quark and the information is simply not contained or derivable. The Box, as containing the most of anything, is consequently the most extant of anything.

Alternate lines places the Box as, in fact, being the least extant thing. This sorts objects on a scale from reality to unreality, with the most real things (objects connected by space-like worldlines) being located at one end, then the Omniverse as the threshold between reality and unreality, with paradoxes and other impossible things occupying the Paradox Space less real than everything contained within the Omniverse. The Box, containing all paradoxes simultaneously, including mutually contradictory ones, is less real than any of them.
Relationship between Nothing and the Box Edit

The relationship of the Box with Nothing is very ambiguous, as far as anything can be said about nothing at all. Generally, as nothing holds all properties that are not held by another thing, Nothing can be considered to be beyond the Box (since there exist no -verses/structures larger than the Box), and more powerful than anything contained inside the Box. Since Nothing can not be categorized, defined, or fit into any framework with meaningful properties, further commentary on the relationship between the Box and Nothing is difficult to determine the true purpose of, seeing as there is enough evidence to keep the debate going on for quite a while.
Universe Classifications of the Box Edit

When classified by communality, the Box has both no and all possible interactions with other hypercosmological structures of the same tier. There are an infinite number of arbitrary lesser variants of the Box, which interact with each other in all possible different ways, which are all (by the symmetry argument) identical to the full Box and contained within the full Box, which stands alone at the top level.

Most other classifications on the universe classifications list are meaningless. The Box has areas that follow anywhere from simplistic Euclidean spaces to having no notions of geometry at all, as well as areas ranging from having consistent and predictable physics to having no notions of logic or meta-logic whatsoever.
In terms of fiction Edit

No matter how ridiculously powerful any entity or being in a story is, they are confined within The Box, as well as infinite variations of said being. In essence, the entirety of fiction is not even a Planck size microbe within The Box. This can all be explained in greater detail through the Imaginarium.
ReferencesEdit

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   ↑ http://theodorasutton.co.uk/filter/scientific/universe-in-a-box

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93 comments

The Box is nothing more than a variation of an expression with that we already have with an Omniverse. It's just suggsverse level bullshit.
11 days ago by Nanobot9943

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   Jakethemariofan

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       You may believe that but, adding these layers should all be within what you consider to be the Omniverse, so technically the Omniverse is suggsverse level bullshit. And if the stuff in this cosmology isn't within the Omniverse, then this stuff isn't a variation of the Omniverse, it's adding on to it until it's truly encompassing everything
       11 days ago by Jakethemariofan

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   ThisWriter

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       Actually the Box is just a usefull tool for something we can point out as the set of everything else including itself.

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       To prevent furter discussions and escalation of I make x = omniverse +1. I make y = x+1 and I make z = y+1 and so on and so on.
       5 days ago by ThisWriter

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Alper2006

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   I SOLVED THE PARADOX:

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   THE BOX IS A RE-CONTAINING THING
   January 19 by Alper2006

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   Second soup

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       Congratulations, you reached the conclusion I outright stated when I came up with the Box back in... May of 2016.

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       Not much of a new solution.
       January 19 by Second soup

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   Cheetahrock63

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       See? This is what you get for never reading the articles.

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       You end up coming up with a conclusion on your own and then try to pass it off as your "discovery", only to have that "discovery" be something everyone already knows and you end up looking like a fool.
       January 19 by Cheetahrock63

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The Beyonders

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   People questioning can there be multiple boxes? Yes But the boxes cannot be linked with each other, they are in a completely different planes of existence.
   January 9 by The Beyonders

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   Cheetahrock63

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       There can be multiple "boxes", but they're all still going to be contained in the Box. These "alternate boxes" on different planes of existence that you're proposing are just altarcae.
       January 9 by Cheetahrock63

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   The Beyonders

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       What about Existence?
       January 9 by The Beyonders

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   Second soup

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       A poorly-thought-out and poorly-constructed attempt to beat the Box. It relies on no stronger logic or cosmological construction; it doesn't actually do anything new.
       January 9 by Second soup

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   Cheetahrock63

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       Why does v&d still have it, and those other articles that no one seems to like (Endless, True Endless, NET, TGC), then?

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       I think it might be a good idea to delete those pages, and once someone makes a new, much better, definition for them, the pages can be recreated. That way, no one can actually rely on those pages until they're somewhat better (not that something past the box might be of any use for stories about entities).
       January 9 by Cheetahrock63

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   Second soup

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       I dunno. I think Tony wanted to keep them around. Maybe it's time to clean that up.
       January 9 by Second soup

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   Cheetahrock63

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       iirc tony wanted to delete them
       January 9 by Cheetahrock63

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   Alper2006

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       But if you look the page named Omniverse, then you see that it contains all of the existence. Am I wrong? Then prove me.
       January 19 by Alper2006

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   Lord Aspect

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       Alper2006, i'm explaining this like "Paralel Realities"
       24 days ago by Lord Aspect

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Polyhedron69

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   THERE IS NOTHING OUTSIDE THE BOX EVERYONE.
   January 8 by Polyhedron69

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   Cheetahrock63

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       Sure, nothing's "outside" the box, but there are things that could surpass it.

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       The Prism Gate can generalize over the Box and Sergecj's Cosmology Tiers actually go wayyy past it (they even go past Nothing).
       January 8 by Cheetahrock63

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   Polyhedron69

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       Thanks for your recommendation.
       January 9 by Polyhedron69

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   Nousaginokyoki

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       @Poly There are cosmologies out there where the fiction and author claims will take more than an eternity to write down the heirarchy, far surpassing everything in this page. And there is neither a beginning nor an end to their cosmologies, only what is chosen to be shown. Anything can surpass the Box if you as an author, whether one subjectively claims is bad or good writing. Just don't claim anything beyond True Omnipotence.
       19 days ago by Nousaginokyoki

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   ThisWriter

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       Those cosmologies are all probably neatly inside the Box anyway, along with all other infinitely variations on them.

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       I still haven't read the Sergecj's cosmology to comment on it but skeptical about it going way past the Box. I'm standing by my law of box equivalency and stating that it probably is just another view point on the Box but will comment on it when I finally read it.
       5 days ago by ThisWriter

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Jakethemariofan

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   Can't there be something above the Box?

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   I Mean Yeah, the Box Contains Everything, however, so does the Omniverse, & yes I know the Box Contains itself, but how do we know it isn't contained in an infinitely larger cosmology that contains all possible combinations of the Box, & yes, technically there is Existence & Endless, however this isn't considered canon. Shouldnt there be an infinitely expanding Hierarchy, with nothing at the absolute top so that every possible thing that could happen happens? I feel that would make more sense than the Box, since yeah the box CAN have pretty much everything inside of it, however what if I were to think of a battle between The True God & some other unimaginably powerful Entity, this can't happen in the Box, can it? Considering the fact that the True God Is An All Powerful Entity, who has attained True Omnipotence, he can't really fight an equal match. I mean yeah, something bigger than the Box would technically still be in The Box, however The Box Is Still Technically Inside the Omniverse, but the Box is higher in the Hierarchy, so wouldn't that be fine?
   December 24, 2017 by Jakethemariofan

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   Second soup

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       Because I hate myself, I'm going to decompose your comment, one clause at a time, and try to start explaining some stuff.

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               "Can't there be something above the Box?"

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       Sure there can. It's really tricky to work on defining such a thing (most people try naive extensions that ultimately fail), but it's certainly possible - Serge's cosmology goes way past it, and you can generalize over it with a Prism Gate.

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               "I Mean yeah, the Box Contains Everything, however, so does the Omniverse,"

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       That's one interpretation, though generally not the one we hold here. The Omniverse is the supremum to the archverse chain - you can count upwards through layers of multiverses and megaverses forever, but the Omniverse is beyond all of that. However, there are very definitely things that it does not contain, like godverses, the Transcendentem, and altarcae, where omniversal "rules" stop applying.

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               "& yes I know the Box Contains itself, but how do we know it isn't contained in an infinitely larger cosmology that contains all possible combinations of the Box,"

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       Because alternate views of the Box are basically the same thing, just arranged differently. See the Law of Box Equivalency for details. You'll need to take a step back and look at the structure of all-containing objects in general, and that's conveniently what Prism Gates do.

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               "& yes, technically there is Existence & Endless, however this isn't considered canon."

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       I personally don't understand the "canon" argument; in my view, Existence and Endless just aren't defined strongly enough to be truly beyond the Box.

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               "Shouldnt there be an infinitely expanding Hierarchy, with nothing at the absolute top so that every possible thing that could happen happens?"

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       Most alternate hierarchies, even infinite ones with Box-like constructs, fit neatly into altarcae. If you want higher structures, you need something stronger than the Box, and just saying "this verse is outside it" isn't enough. Even Serge only came up with 20-something tiers, because each one has to be really fundamentally different from the one before, and that's something you can't really diagonalize over.

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       In regards to Nothing, Tony would argue that it's beyond hierarchies anyway, Serge would put it somewhere in the middle, and I'll hold that it's irrelevant to any hierarchical discussion.

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               "I feel that would make more sense than the Box, since yeah the box Can have pretty much everything inside of it,"

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       Addressed. Moving along...

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               "however what if I were to think of a battle between The True God & some other unimaginably powerful Entity, this can't happen in the Box, can it?"

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       ❤

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               "Considering the fact that the True God Is An All Powerful Entity, who has attained True Omnipotence, he can't really fight an equal match."

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       Weeeelll... that's something Tony and some others will shove down my throat, but... you didn't hear this from me, but I think there's some ways around it.

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               "I mean yeah, something bigger than the Box would technically still be in The Box,"

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       True statement.

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               "however The Box Is still Technically Inside the Omniverse,"

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       Not a true statement.

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               "but the Box is higher in the Hierarchy, so wouldn't that be fine?"

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       Feel free to work on your own hierarchies, put them in blog posts so we can review them. I'm excited to see what people come up with.
       December 24, 2017 by Second soup

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   Jakethemariofan

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       Thanks Dude, I was kind of confused, but this helped me understand better, I'll try to read more into the wiki pages before I make a really ambitious comment in the future.
       December 24, 2017 by Jakethemariofan

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RedzMinus

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   So this is basically an omniverse. But still, the omniverse contains the omniverse itself, so it's bigger.
   December 12, 2017 by RedzMinus

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   FireyDeath4

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       They're trying to say that there are things bigger than an omniverse somewhere else in the Wikia...
       January 6 by FireyDeath4

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   ThisWriter

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       There are probably several things bigger than an omniverse in this wiki.

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       And the Box contains an infinitude of things bigger than an omniverse that are even not on this wiki.
       5 days ago by ThisWriter

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FireyDeath4

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   Is it possible to be outside the box, seeing how it is infinitely large in every single hyperflune, time, hilbert and every other dimension and also contains itself?
   December 9, 2017 by FireyDeath4

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   Tonybalongna

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       Nothing is outside the box
       December 9, 2017 by Tonybalongna

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   Holomanga

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       no
       December 10, 2017 by Holomanga

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   FireyDeath4

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       Well how come the True God is outside it? In fact, like I said, everything is mathematical in some way, so nothing is actually in the box, because it is 0. You're just confusing everything by treating No Thing In Question and The Nothing Itself the same way. Of course if you think of numbers as if they're in a loop, maybe yes, 0 exceeds Cantor's Absolute Infinity, but then so does every other number. The True God has literally nowhere to go outside the Box, so yeah.
       January 6 by FireyDeath4

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   FireyDeath4

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       But even THE nowhere/the Void is in the box.
       January 6 by FireyDeath4

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   Alper2006

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       sorry but Nothing just surpasses it. But it does not even exist.
       January 19 by Alper2006

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   ThisWriter

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       I've replied to your topic on the TTG page with more information about this.

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       Anyway, box contains itself infinitely many times. Outside of the box does not exist, is an impossibility. Because box contains all impossibilities box also contains whatever is outside of the box. So if you somehow managed to escape the box you would end up right inside it anyway.

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       TTG is inside the box. At the same time TTG exists behind the box or can leave it behind. Contradiction? Sure, deal with it. When we start to talk about infinities and absolutes and there are more than one of those things contradictions just happen.

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       TTG can go anywhere he wants, even if it is nowhere and that will not be a problem for him because omni-bs. He can exist without having to exist somewhere. Nowhere is also inside the box as well because, well, just because really.

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       Everything is defenetely not mathematical in some way. Not in this wiki anyway. ;)
       5 days ago by ThisWriter

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Mastermindmk8

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   Is Jack in the box ?
   December 2, 2017 by Mastermindmk8

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   AlexAnimations0421

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       Yes. Since Jack is an organism in the universe, aka a human, and the Universe is a speck inside the Box, Yes.
       December 2, 2017 by AlexAnimations0421

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All Things Logical

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   This creates a paradox. The box is the set of all things, but does it contain itself? Nothing can contain itself. Therefore, the box cannot exist.
   November 27, 2017 by All Things Logical

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   Cheetahrock63

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       Yep. The box contains itself. It's a type of universal set, where it contains every possible set including itself an infinite amount of times.
       November 27, 2017 by Cheetahrock63

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   All Things Logical

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       The box contains everything. If it is the set of all things, then it contains infinite copies of itself. This creates a paradox because it contains more stuff than it contains.
       November 28, 2017 by All Things Logical

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   Second soup

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       That's not exactly an issue, seeing as you can fit paradoxes in the Box too.

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       And yes, it does contain itself.
       November 28, 2017 by Second soup

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   FireyDeath4

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       Well you can put a line of code inside it's definition, like this:

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       Perform A

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       Define A:

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       Do stuff

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       Perform A

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       Also, infinity contains infinity. If you had a ruler so large that infinity was the point at the end, halfway there would be infinity as well, along with any fractions - even infinitesimals (within reason).

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       Why not have the Box inside itself?
       December 9, 2017 by FireyDeath4

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   Cheetahrock63

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       the box is inside itself

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       how much of the actual article did you read?
       December 9, 2017 by Cheetahrock63

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   RedzMinus

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       The omniverse contains the box and the omniverse.
       December 12, 2017 by RedzMinus

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XrayLazer123

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   So the concept of being outside the box is inside the box, and the concept of not being a part of the box is within the box, and the state of being outside of everything... Is inside the box?

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   I think I need to sit down for a bit.
   October 1, 2017 by XrayLazer123

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   Second soup

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       Pretty much, yeah. You can worm your way out of it with certain viewpoints - say, the Box is an imaginata in the Imaginarium - but you can then put the Imaginarium in the Box again.
       October 2, 2017 by Second soup

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   RedzMinus

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       But the box is inside the omniverse.
       December 12, 2017 by RedzMinus

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   Lord Aspect

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       RedMinus don't be so fucking annoying, i know that everyone have opinions, BUT YOU ARE INTRODUCING YOUR OPINION LIKE "ALL PRAISE MY OPINION"
       January 21 by Lord Aspect

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ZaperatorYnossPro44

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   This picture is better than the old one
   August 24, 2017 by ZaperatorYnossPro44

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   Cheetahrock63

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       Okay, praising is just the most common thing I get now
       August 24, 2017 by Cheetahrock63

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Loller of lols

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   wow so much paradoxes.
   August 20, 2017 by Loller of lols

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Loller of lols

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   even The Matrix?
   August 20, 2017 by Loller of lols

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Loller of lols

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   all timelines,endless like a physical object,TheTrue Endless like a physical object?
   August 20, 2017 by Loller of lols

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Loller of lols

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   and all possible and imposible -verses(even omniumverse)?
   August 20, 2017 by Loller of lols

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Loller of lols

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   and all cosmic entities in The Box
   August 20, 2017 by Loller of lols

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Loller of lols

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   what about The Box in The Box?
   August 20, 2017 by Loller of lols

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   Tonybalongna

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       what?
       August 20, 2017 by Tonybalongna

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   Cheetahrock63

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       The Box IS inside itself. It's self-containing.
       August 24, 2017 by Cheetahrock63

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ThisWriter

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   The idea that objects can only contain objects that are higher in the Thinkability scale, which was represented here by the last edit, reduces the box.

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   If The Box cannot contain things that are more Unthinkable than it is, than it is not all it could be. And, as I've stated before, The Box is clearly Thinkable, at least partially.

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   By definition any scale that one tries to apply to The Box, that enforces some hierarcy, limits the Box and makes it lesser than it is and opens the possibility for something greater which runs counter to its original concept. Therefore The Box cannot be classified in any such scale. Just to be picky, this opens up the possibility of a scale to measure how classifiable things are which would be against the point. The Box cannot be imposed on at all. (Scale for how much things can be imposed upon anyone? OMG, there are an infinite number of possible scales... and they are all in The Box)
   June 30, 2017 by ThisWriter

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ThisWriter

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   Is the box a purely imaginary concept or could it also be defined as a mathematical or logical set that includes our real reality. Is it fiction only or can you move this idea to a phylosophical level?
   June 29, 2017 by ThisWriter

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   Second soup

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       It doesn't really matter too much, because however you define reality, fiction, philosophy, etc., they're all inside the Box.

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       My original inspiration for it came from an attempt to understand our own universe - though that was unrelated to this wiki or Alldimensions before it - so I guess it could indeed contain our understanding of reality.
       June 29, 2017 by Second soup

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   ThisWriter

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       It matters but not in the sense you mentioned it.

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       Would you present this concept in a serious phylosophical debate about our own reality? Or would you define the concept as a part of the fiction being made on this wiki? Or have you forgotten the difference between fiction and reality? :p
       June 29, 2017 by ThisWriter

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   Holomanga

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       Modal realism!
       June 29, 2017 by Holomanga

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   ThisWriter

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       Let me rephrase that then:

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       Would you present this concept in a serious phylosophical debate about our actual reality?
       June 29, 2017 by ThisWriter

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   Second soup

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       Probably not.
       June 29, 2017 by Second soup

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   ThisWriter

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       That you cannot say it includes our own reality, or our actual reality if you prefer.

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       You can only say that the box contains fictional versions of our reality but not our actual reality.

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       That is why I designed my cosmology the way I did, so that I can say that. So that I can use it both with our actual reality and with fantasy at the same time and in the same way and have it be logical consistent with both at whatever context.

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       And that is why I think my omniumverse beats the box if viewed from this view point. From another viewpoint it becomes just equal to it though. (Although I did not created it to beat the box, I created it much before knowing about the box.)
       June 30, 2017 by ThisWriter

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   Second soup

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       I wouldn't use it in a debate because it's a silly concept designed to beat an array of even sillier concepts, not because it somehow couldn't apply to our perception of reality.

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       By saying that the Omniumverse applies to (and contains) our reality, you're making the same leap of logic that I would be if I said the Box did, because we simply have no evidence for either of these concepts.
       June 30, 2017 by Second soup

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Chibakutensei

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   Isnt this, as a concept, still under the power of anyone/anything that rules over concepts?
   May 14, 2017 by Chibakutensei

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   Second soup

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       Not quite. "Ruling over concepts" is itself a concept and is contained within the Box. Even if it wasn't, it'd still be in the Box.
       May 14, 2017 by Second soup

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Alemagno12

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   Deja vu.
   July 22, 2016 by Alemagno12

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   AarexWikia04

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       Not because it will be inside of the Existence.
       July 22, 2016 by AarexWikia04

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   ZaperatorYnossPro44

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       Even if the Existence is outside of the Box, it would still inside of the Box.
       August 17, 2017 by ZaperatorYnossPro44

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MatthewandMario

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   I wonder how many Universe's are in The Box?
   July 19, 2016 by MatthewandMario

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   Second soup

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       Think of a number. It's more than that.

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       Name any infinity, any ordinal, and the Box surpasses it.
       July 19, 2016 by Second soup

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   AarexWikia04

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       How about the highest uncountable transfinite number?
       July 20, 2016 by AarexWikia04

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   Second soup

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       Still within the Box, as is any infinite/transfinite/whateverfinite number in any possible or impossible mathematical system.
       July 20, 2016 by Second soup

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   Holomanga

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       The best number you could assign is Cantor's Absolute Infinity.
       July 22, 2016 by Holomanga

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   Second soup

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       I suppose that one could work. In a weird way that one would be in the Box too, but it's the closest thing we've got.
       July 22, 2016 by Second soup

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   Stickmastervixen

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       The biggest infinity, Azathoth, Demonbane, and many infinitely sized gods are puny compared to The Box.
       November 17, 2016 by Stickmastervixen

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AarexWikia04

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   Will the box contains the barrel too?
   July 17, 2016 by AarexWikia04

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   Second soup

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       I thought we figured that out already. Yes.
       July 17, 2016 by Second soup

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MatthewandMario

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   Actually, COULD there ever be such a being? or being's?
   July 13, 2016 by MatthewandMario

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   Second soup

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       It would have no meaning. Every being that could ever rule the Box is repeated in really weird ways. It's an infinite number of infinitely-large armies of gods, per se, none of whom would have any meaningful power or dominion over the Box.
       July 13, 2016 by Second soup

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MatthewandMario

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   I'm afraid there is no "Ruler of this box"
   July 11, 2016 by MatthewandMario

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   Googleaarex

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       Why? Just why?
       July 11, 2016 by Googleaarex

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   Second soup

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       Think about it for a moment.

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       This ruler would also have to be looped infinitely in all the nested iterations of the Box.
       July 11, 2016 by Second soup

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   Googleaarex

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       So the ruler's the box?
       July 11, 2016 by Googleaarex

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   Second soup

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       No ruler exists.
       July 11, 2016 by Second soup

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   Tonybalongna

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       i might create a ruler of the box who is omnipresent, and aware of every iteration of itself and can control the iterations
       May 6, 2017 by Tonybalongna

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   Second soup

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       ...which would mean that the other versions of itself can control it too, not to mention the arbitrarily infinite number of other rulers who are more or less powerful, and the infinite quantity of stuff inside the Box that cannot be ruled, or that's outside the reach of a ruler, etc., etc.

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       Not a good idea.
       May 6, 2017 by Second soup

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What.......
July 11, 2016 by BeyonderGodOmnipotent

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   Second soup

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       I created this one to beat everyone trying to one-up each other back on the All Dimensions wikia. People were going back and forth with the Omniverse, the All, God, Lord Josh B...

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       Essentially the Box is the perfect counter to anyone who claims their structure or character is beyond everything else. All of logic, all of possibility, all of impossibility, fits neatly inside and is repeated in infinite fractal loops forever.

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       I can try to explain further if you don't understand, but that's just about the idea behind it.
       July 11, 2016 by Second soup

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   Googleaarex

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       So there is no barrel?
       July 11, 2016 by Googleaarex

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   Second soup

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       Oh, there could be a Barrel. It'd just be repeated and nested infinitely inside the Box, just like the Box itself. ;)
       July 11, 2016 by Second soup

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   Googleaarex

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       Oh I see... Box -> Box/Barrel -> Box/Barrel -> ...
       July 11, 2016 by Googleaarex

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Nothing, Nonexistence, not anything, anything, everything, not everything, all things, No things, absence, nonabsence, they are one and the same. Regardless of name choice, they are all unmatched in capacity. Nothing knows what it is, it is above everyone, the biggest -verses, the Gods, any entity, and even reality itself. Nothing exists everywhere, however it is nonexistent at the same time, and any (im)possible and (in)definable form of (non)existing, none(all) of the above, and infinitely none at the same time. However, even the previous statements are invalidated by the true meaning of Nothing.

"Nothing" is simply a surname of the true concept of this page that omniscient beings have created through minimal understanding of the key, so that inferior beings can begin to understand the key of understanding the sheer transcendent (in)conceptualization of Nothing.

Nothing can ever be said about it (even this statement and this entire page contradicts that, because it does not fall under any category in and outside of this quote, but for the sake of attempted explanation, it is here).

Beyond meanings, everything expressible, and anything conceptual, non-conceptual, and inexpressible, it exceeds the realms of possibility and impossibility into something else altogether, as no semblance of logic, measurement, physics, magic, reality, fiction, nonfiction, or language may express the true meaning of Nothing.

It is also can't be expressed by anything on this wiki. Being beyond conception and comprehension due to its very existence being unable to be spoken of, it is incomparable to anything. Concepts, no matter how bizarre, no matter how many are combined, all fall within the realms of possibility and impossibility, but Nothing seemingly does not fall into either, due to it being explained by silence (which is also a contradictory.) But notice: Saying that it does not fall into either and does are both statements regarding Nothing. Nothing, as such, is beyond comprehension as there isn't really anything can ever be said about it. No concept can thus match up against it, as all statements will automatically be falsified as there is no truth in concept for it, thus, concepts beyond instantaneously become meaningless against it, seeing as there isn't any statement that can be held up to Nothing. What is the meaning of Nothing then, if inexpressible? It does not "exist, does not exist, both exists and does not exist, neither exists nor does not exist", and is not "neither of the above". Due to its sheer incomprehensibility, creating an infinite number of paradoxes the moment it is attempted to be expressed, it requires a transcendent means to understand it. The weird thing is, saying nothing isn't the same as saying it can be explained by "saying nothing explains it", or "it's still in the box" because the paradox is that statements of Nothing are automatically falsified, and Nothing is already beyond any paradox, as seen in the paragraph below.
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   Attempted explanation about Nothing
       Clarification
   Nothing VS The Box
       Conclusion
   Other attempts at stalemating or surpassing Nothing
   Size/Capacity
   Description of the above
   Other Cosmologies
   True Omnipotent and Transfictional Beings
   The Real Life Principle
   How to understand the meaning of Nothing
   Conclusion

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Attempted explanation about Nothing
Nothing is above the abilities of any form of omnipotence.
Nothing can ever be said about it, which is why the slots where you'd normally put information are nonexistent, but even the statement of this image description is automatically invalidated, but for the sake of attempted understanding, the caption exists.

Nothing is beyond justification.

Nothing surpasses Cantor's Absolute Infinity.

Nothing surpasses all of the transfinite numbers and ordinals.

Nothing is beyond size.

Nothing is beyond containment.

Nothing is above Infinity.

Nothing can't be contained.

Nothing can defy anything.

Nothing can't be controlled.

Nothing is created from nothing.

Nothing is beyond instantaneousness.

Nothing can beyond-instantly stop (and is already beyond) any (un/in)imaginable/definable paradox.

Nothing is beyond any (im)possible interpretation of logic.

Nothing is (ill)logical.

No form of logic applies to Nothing.

Nothing is outside The Cycle Of Everything.

Nothing is outside The Structure Of Everything.

Nothing is beyond physics.

Nothing is beyond any form of immunity, or nullification.

Nothing is beyond criticism and analysis.

By saying, for example "nothing is beyond the box", you're right, Nothing is beyond the box, this can work for any structure put into the statement above, such as, "nothing is beyond the omniverse" or "nothing is beyond beyond."

If you manage to escape Nothing, you are the lowest and highest in existence, therefore, nothing contains you, but also creating a superposition, which can be defined as a paradox, as said, Nothing can stop all (in)definable and (un/in)imaginable paradoxes.

By placing yourself, or a structure (-verse) equal to or above nothing, you, or that structure is automatically the lowest in existence.

There are four ways to describe something, it is either is, isn't, both, or neither. If there were a way to describe nothing, I would have said it, but, notice this, I've said nothing at all.
Clarification

All of the statements above aren't really categorizations of Nothing, they're simply things that Nothing can do due to the sheer inconceptualization and transcendent means of Nothing.

Any attempted categorization of nothing is automatically invalidated. The statement above is an acception.
Nothing VS The Box

It has been said that "No entity, concept, possibility, or impossibility exists outside the Box. By defining it, thinking about it, or even not thinking about it, you have placed it inside the Box. Any attempts of explaining how something exists beyond the Box are retroactively nullified; by placing something "beyond" or "outside" it, the very fact that there is writing about the object/verse/being at all places it inside the Box. All permutations of logic are in the Box, and it contains an infinite amount of copies of itself."

Nothing exists outside The Box.

Nothing is beyond logic.

Nothing doesn't use logic (and even that statement contradicts itself.)

Nothing can't be contained. (not even the box since the box contains greater and lesser versions of itself infinitely, the cycle loops)

Nothing is indefinable, and since nothing has no definition (and even this statement contradicts it an infinite number of times) the box does not contain it, since none of its statements can be held up to Nothing, and the few that do are nullified, either that or simply ignored by the sheer im(im...(∞)..)possibility and non-simplicity(e. it contains the -verse) of Nothing. As said before, "Nothing is beyond any form of immunity or nullification."

As said before, "Nothing is beyond criticism and analysis."

Nothing can't be conceptualized.

As said before, "Nothing is beyond Infinity"

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   It has also been said that The Box contains every piece of information, concept, and paradox, but as said before, Nothing can stop, and is already beyond, any paradox.

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The statements above all mean that Nothing does defeat The Box, but in a way that smashing the chess board into the face of a grandmaster lets you win the game. It doesn't play by the rules.
Conclusion

The Box is indeed the ultimatum of existence and nonexistence, but since none of the statements of The Box can be held up to nothing due to its sheer incomprehensibility, The Box is rendered infinitely less and null compared to it.
Other attempts at stalemating or surpassing Nothing

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   Being equal to nothing makes you the lowest in existence.

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   Forcefully adding attributes to Nothing isn't valid.

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Size/Capacity
Description of the above

The above is empty, and for good reason. There isn't anything that can ever be said about it, including the size and capacity of Nothing, (even this statement contradicts that, because it does not fall under any category in this quote and outside of this wiki, but for the sake of attempted explanation, it is here.)

Beyond meanings, everything expressible, and anything conceptual, it exceeds the realms of possibility and impossibility into something else altogether, as no semblance of logic, non logic, forms of physics, magic, fiction, non-fiction, or language may express the true meaning of Nothing's capacity, size, and if, anything, everything, or nothing, as said before.
Other Cosmologies

As said before, " it exceeds the realms of possibility and impossibility into something else altogether, as no semblance of logic, non logic, or language may express the true meaning of Nothing"
True Omnipotent and Transfictional Beings

As said before, "Nothing is beyond the abilities of Omnipotence."

Nothing can't at least be partially be ruled over, even with omniarch.

Nothing can't be controlled.

The abilities of an omnipotent are infinite, so therefore they should be able to get past nothing, but Nothing is beyond omnipotence, creating a paradox.

But, as said before, "Nothing can beyond-instantly end (and is already beyond) any (un/in)imaginable/definable paradox."

Not even True Omnipotence is able to effect Nothing, seeing as every single statement True Omnipotence has the power to infinitely manipulate doesn't apply to Nothing. HOWEVER, if true omnipotence can do absolutely anything, only bound by fiction, and Nothing wrote on a fictional plane can be transfictional due to the statements written, could Author Authority effect nothing? Well, the answer is yes, and no. Nothing(pun on words) fictional is able to effect anything from the real life world, obviously, but if Nothing transcends fiction and nonfiction entirely, real life transfictional beings should be able to affect it, right? No, and yes. This is called The Real Life Principle, defined below.
The Real Life Principle

The Real Life Principle is used to describe the infinite web of created, solved, destroyed, and newly created paradoxes created by an author combating the transcendent logic of Nothing.

If the author created a paradox, and nothing solves that paradox, and the author makes it so that nothing can't solve paradoxes, nothing would solve that too, right? An infinite amount of paradoxes are created from here, being rapidly solved and another infinite array of things are created for each paradox solved. This goes on forever.

But can't nothing solve the principle? Yes. But by solving the principle, an infinite amount of principles are created with every way to solve Nothing's power to solve paradoxes, but if nothing can solve that, an infinite amount of paradoxes are created for the infinite amount of paradoxes solved for the infinite amount of principles created and solved. This also goes on forever, being multiplied infinitely each time a paradox is created.
How to understand the meaning of Nothing
Conclusion

Hence, as the structure of Nothing is seemingly that of refutation, refuting all notions of power and statements and making them absolutely null and meaningless, rendering itself the greatest, inexpressable, and unmatched of all things to potentially be conceptualized. Notions of infinity which can't be expressed are forms of it, for it is the truth of the groundless existence, from which anything is derived. Simply because Nothing is, there are only a select few statements that can hold up to the idea of the true meaning of it, which no statement can hold up to.

Of course, all of the statements above, which may or may not give you ideas about the incomprehensibility and infinite nature of its power and existence, are actually still statements. Since they are statements, they cannot be said to truly apply to it, or apply to it at all, or even not apply to it at all. Thus, the only apt way to describe it would be by using nothing (itself, as seen above). For nothing is the lack of inherent and or logical, and (non)sensical existence. Nothing is the explanation of dependent origination. And from nothing, an infinite array of things may be said. That is what Nothing may seemingly be, but most likely isn't, probably is, but truely may never be solved. Even this entire article, this wiki even, omniscience, is but a bastardization of the true explanation of it which does not exist, probably does not exist, probably does not NOT exist, does not NOT NOT exist, everything in between not in between, in-categorzable, and even everything (in)expressable, even the previous statement contradicts itself an infinite amount of times, for eternity, making the true meaning inaccessible to anything, everything, and all things, creating a true, absolute ultimatum of true unstoppability, for which Nothing is truly insurpassable, in any cosmology, any form of logic, any form of sense, nonsense, just, ANYTHING. Thus, the true meaning of Nothing is infinitely beyond the comprehension of mankind and all species, and even the gods themselves. Meaning that no mortal, immortal, godly, or omnipotent(or omniscient) being can ever comprehend the unlimited mysteries and ways of Nothing, making Nothing an inaccessible mystery for every one of the infinite variations of eternity, forever meaningless.

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Thorbrine

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   FireyDeath4

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       My explanation of Nothing is a lot better by the way.
       February 2 by FireyDeath4

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FireyDeath4

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   Who is the one that protected this page from editing?
   February 2 by FireyDeath4

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   Tonybalongna

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       i did so that people like you that don't understand it wouldn't change it to their liking
       1 day ago by Tonybalongna

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Polyhedron69

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   Hard to think off
   January 22 by Polyhedron69

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   Polyhedron69

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       Its just so hard to imagine for me, when ever i try to imagine nothing i always think of something
       January 23 by Polyhedron69

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   Snugglytanuki

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       What do people born blind see?
       January 26 by Snugglytanuki

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   ThisWriter

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       You cannot imagine nothing directly but you can stop imagining and by doing that you are imagining nothing.

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       You cannot see nothing but you can stop seeing and by doing that you are seeing nothing.

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       But is that Nothing or just nothing?
       5 days ago by ThisWriter

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Alper2006

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   Why do you even try to explain a thing that even doesn't exist? Am I wrong?
   January 17 by Alper2006

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Cheetahrock63

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   how much is alldimensions wiki worth nowadays?
   January 8 by Cheetahrock63

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   FireyDeath4

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       I GET IT! NOTHING! (probably could be for historical purposes though) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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       Oh wait, this comment is cringy. Doo doo doo...
       February 2 by FireyDeath4

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ANDY3556

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   I think that, to explain nothing, you need to not even explain it.

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   Just don't talk if you're trying to explain nothing, since anything that can be defined by explanation is inside the Box.  [and Nothing surpasses the Box]

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   Nothing can also work as a placeholder: as soon as your death comes, you aren't thinking about anything except nothing, since only nothing can take place in the absence of anything else taking place.

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   Nothing is unable to be expressed in any way, too.

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   Nothing is immune to the rule of the Omniverse's ruler, as nothing is beyond the Omniverse's laws.

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   Nothing is immune to explanation from any person.

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   Lastly, nothing is truly nonexistent.
   January 8 by ANDY3556

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   Tonybalongna

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       i couldnt've said it better

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       mind if I add this to the page?
       January 8 by Tonybalongna

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   ThisWriter

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       "as soon as your death comes, you aren't thinking about anything except nothing"

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       I would disagree with you on that one :P

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       Would also disagree with pretty much the rest but I also disagree with this entire page so yah.
       5 days ago by ThisWriter

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FireyDeath4

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   I'm pretty sure "nothing itself/nonexistentness" and "nothing at all/no existent thing" are different. So, I suppose it doesn't make sense to refer to them as if they're the same thing.
   December 9, 2017 by FireyDeath4

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   ThisWriter

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       Ya, the biggest flaw I see with this concept as it exists now.

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       Nothing as in "no thing" meaning an absence of other things.

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       Nothing as its own (for lack of a better word) thing.

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       If you have a bag full of nothing do you have:

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       - an empty bag

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       - a bag with whatever this concept refers to

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       ?

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       But then someone is bound to say that the nothing on this page is not even a concept and gah, kill me now.
       5 days ago by ThisWriter

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Snugglytanuki

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   This is like ein sof
   December 1, 2017 by Snugglytanuki

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ThisWriter

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   So, there have been some reports of bubbles of nothing appearing inside some multiverse here. :p
   July 17, 2017 by ThisWriter

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   FireyDeath4

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       Now that I think about it, a Hollowverse or even VACUUM DECAY have SOMETHING AT LEAST: Volume. Volume may be just a measurement, but it's a thing nonetheless. Therefore, it's not nothing. Oh, and it may have space in it too. And time. And hilbert. Dada, it's not nothing.
       December 9, 2017 by FireyDeath4

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   ThisWriter

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       They could have those things or they could not.

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       And there is a fundamental difference between a volume containing nothing and it being nothing. I never said they where nothing I just said they had nothing.
       5 days ago by ThisWriter

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Khairo2008

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   It it's mentioned that nothing surpasses the realm of possibility and impossibility in something else intierly this could min there's something's beyond nothing and isn't nothing a concept
   June 27, 2017 by Khairo2008

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Alemagno12

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   tl;dr basically another version of the box but the article tries to explain that nothing is unthinkable

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   also size/capacity and how to understand the meaning of nothing are empty
   June 12, 2017 by Alemagno12

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   ThisWriter

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       I think that the fact that they are empty says something about nothing, about its size and about how to understand its meaning. Maybe that was intentional?
       June 27, 2017 by ThisWriter

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Silvius001

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   And an Omnipotent can be nothing.
   May 29, 2017 by Silvius001

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   Tonybalongna

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       HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
       May 30, 2017 by Tonybalongna

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The Omnipotence Hierarchy
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Omnipotence

The Symbol Of Omnipotence

No entity is truly omnipotent except for one in each fictional continuity. All gods are only technically nigh-omnipotent , since they have two specific limits preventing them from achieving absolute omnipotence:

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   No omnipotent entity may exit the Box.
   Each omnipotent entity is restricted by the cosmological level that they are able to entirely encompass and possess unlimited control over, superior to everything except omnipotent entities with levels higher than themselves.
       Omnipotent1 entities encompass and have unlimited control over a monocosm, and can seal it off from nigh-omnipotent entities and lower, but their control can be overridden by omnipotent2 entities, for example.
       Multiple levels of omnipotence can be written with superscripts (omnipotencen) or shorthand with O (On).

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True omnipotence means that one has no limits, only bound by fiction, but there are some things that surpass fiction to a certain point, and even entirely, as shown in the paragraph below levels of omnipotence.

Omnipotential is Omnipotence without the omniscience or variable omnipresence. Omnipotential can still have ^ levels, such as Omnipotential^4 (Kotoblade)

Certain characters aren't listed here, for the simple fact that their subcategory isn't available on this page. They're still well within the hierarchy.

Please place your omnipotent beings within here if they're within the ranking.
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   Levels Of Omnipotence
       Nigh Omnipotent - Three or more limits that prevent them from reaching omnipotence.
       Omnipotent - Only two limits; can safely encompass a monocosm, but overriden by Omnipotent^2.
       Omnipotent^2 - Only two limits, can't affect Omnipotent^3.
       Omnipotent^3- Only two limits, can't affect Omnipotent^4.
       Omnipotent^∞ - Only two limits, can't affect true omnipotence users.
       True Omnipotence - No limits whatsoever, only bound by fiction itself.
   Author Authority
       Transfictional Author Authority

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Levels Of Omnipotence Edit
Nigh Omnipotent - Three or more limits that prevent them from reaching omnipotence. Edit

Known wielders - Hyperman, Destroyer, Terminus (Nigh Cyberpotence) ,Soci Gahir
Omnipotent - Only two limits; can safely encompass a monocosm, but overriden by Omnipotent^2. Edit

Known wielders - Creator
Omnipotent^2 - Only two limits, can't affect Omnipotent^3. Edit

Known wielders - Paradoxus, Logixel, Unthil, Realitus, Imaginatim
Omnipotent^3- Only two limits, can't affect Omnipotent^4. Edit

Known wielders - Conceptilum

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Omnipotent^∞ - Only two limits, can't affect true omnipotence users. Edit

Known wielders - Certain Aspect Lords, The Rulebreaker (One less limit)
True Omnipotence - No limits whatsoever, only bound by fiction itself. Edit

Only wielder - The True God
Author Authority Edit

Then there's Author Authority, which is an entirely different story, being able to partially transcend fiction, able to rewrite the fictional plane they exist on. This can only happen with self-insertion (characters representing writers, maybe an author, such as Toribot from the Dragon Ball continuity or The Writer from DC Comics)
Transfictional Author Authority Edit

It is the ultimatum of power within transcendent reality. Users of Transfictional author authority can affect any fictional continuity on a true omnipotent level, with no limits.

Nobody has this since there is nobody who can illustrate every fictional continuity.
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       Soup: The O notation, also called big O notation is something that already exists. Although I don't think it ever came up on the wiki before it is not completely unrelevent as it stands for computation complexity which could be used to limit the computation ability of brains of entities for example.

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       To prevent a confusion that might never ocurr anyway may I sugest OP instead ?

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       This would also give imediatly sugest a neat shorthand notation for any other omni's one could come to need.
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   Second soup

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       Computation complexity is O and then parentheses; the superscript is a new thing here. If you really wanted to change it, I'd still suggest keeping it a single symbol, like Ω or something, and then maybe modify the superscripts to indicate other omni-attributes.
       7 hours ago by Second soup

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GyG GiG

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   Cosmology should be religion, there are gods and it's not theoretical, it's hippotetycal
   24 days ago by GyG GiG

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   Cheetahrock63

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       lel no

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       The gods on this wiki are just extremely powerful sci-fi characters, not "hippotetycal" (whatever that means).

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       You're free to believe whatever you want, but anyone who believes stories whose writers very blatantly say that is fictional are plain idiots.
       24 days ago by Cheetahrock63

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   GyG GiG

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       Hippotetical is better than sci-fi, you only think it's bad because you don't know what it means
       23 days ago by GyG GiG

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   GyG GiG

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       Also is this copyrighted? Can I get inspiration?
       23 days ago by GyG GiG

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   Holomanga

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       You might mean "hypothetical".

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       Everthing here is shared under the standard CC BY-SA 3.0 licence.
       23 days ago by Holomanga

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       sorry but please don't use it for religional purposes. it is just creativity. if you use these for religional purposes in this wiki, you will be probably blocked.
       23 days ago by Alper2006

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   Author Authority...?

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   You know, someone truly omnipotent would exist in the highest level story, matrix and time independentness...I'm too lazy to think about it right now, but to do this, you would have to own every level of matrix, since it is possible that the Universe is a simulation. You also have to be the writer of every story, and be on the most independent 1D time there can possibly be.

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   Also, math exists, totally independent of time...*sigh* If you want to know, see my full comment on The True God. I'm too lazy to explain it here.
   January 5 by FireyDeath4

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Also known as the 4th wall, the Great Barrier is the barrier between reality and fiction. It is what makes those two things different and separate. Without it there would be no difference and anything anyone imagines would be as real as they are.
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   Its place in the cosmology
   Imagination goes through it
       Things can also cross through in the opposite direction
   Different Properties
       Permeability
       Transparency
       Mutability
       Transforming whatever goes through it
       The common case
   Barrier Manifestations
   Crossing the Barrier
       With Technology
       By accident
       Danger of No Return
       Magic and the Barrier
       When fantasy leaks into reality
   Affecting it
   Mining it

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Its place in the cosmology Edit

The Great Barrier is an essential element of the Omniumverse. It ensures and enforces the separation between the Realium and the Imaginarium.

It exists not only around the Realium, separating it from the Imaginarium but also around each and every Imaginata, separating its reality from the surrounding Imaginarium as well.

From the point of view of any Imaginata, it is reality and the Realium is just another Imaginata inside the Imaginarium. There is no fundamental difference between the way the Realium is separated from the Imaginarium and the way any Imaginata is separated from the Imaginarium. That difference is only in the point of view. What reality one belongs to will always look like the Realium for oneself.

The only thing that varies is if people accept other Imaginatas as being other alternate realities that exist in the same way and are as real as their own, or if they view them only as fantasies in a sea of fantasy. This would support the view that the Imaginarium actually is the Omniumverse.
Imagination goes through it Edit

As it occurs in our reality, it seems to be extremely difficult, or even impossible, to actually cross it in a physical way.

Even then it remains somewhat permeable to our thoughts and feelings. The act of imagining something is the act of crossing it to the other side with our minds. If it where not permeable to our thoughts we would not be able to imagine anything. We send our thoughts to the Imaginarium and they gain form in there. We mold them to our desires and fantasies and they continue to exist in there even when we take our minds and thoughts back to our reality.
Things can also cross through in the opposite direction Edit

Our imaginations sometimes run out of our control, existing by themselves following their own logic or desires without being defined by us. This phenomena can be witnessed every time an author writing a story has a character that starts to act on their own accord, no longer in full control of the author who limits themselves to writing what they perceive as happening on that fantasy world that just escaped their full control.

The images of our fantasies also cross back into our minds for that is the only way that we would be able to remember them.

We are constantly affected by the fantasies existing out there on the other side of the Barrier. Our feelings and thoughts are affected, we feel real emotions because of what we have imagined, we have new ideas and inspirations, etc. Many scientific discoveries have been made through inspiration. What is that if not some image or piece of information crossing back through the Barrier into our own reality and directly into someone's brain?
Different Properties Edit

On other Imaginatas the Barrier can be different in many ways, have different properties. It can even have different properties along different places inside the same Imaginata. The only commonality is that it separates its internal reality from the Imaginarium in some way.

Different Imaginatas probably have Barriers with very different properties. They can have any property with those listed here being only some of the most common or obvious examples.
Permeability Edit

It can be more or less permeable, to our minds, thoughts and fantasies, or even to matter itself.

An Imaginata with a non-permeable Barrier would be a place without imagination. People are not able to imagine things at all in such a place but it can be even worse than that. It can prevent people from conceptualizing, thinking about or even remembering things if they are not able to access what exists only in their minds in any way. It is hard to imagine existence and sapience without such abilities but maybe they can exist somehow. If they do, they are probably very rare.

The other extreme is when the Barrier allows anything to go through it. It becomes possible for matter, even people, to go through it in some way, leaving their reality and entering the Imaginarium directly, possibly reaching to other realities through it. It is no wander that the Imaginatas that allow this tend to be the ones where the view that theirs is only one of many possible real realities are the more common.
Transparency Edit

The Barrier can be permeable to one or more senses, allowing people to observe the chaos of the Imaginarium on the other side somehow.

If it exists as the edge of reality, one just needs to look far away but it can also be possible that it requires some special machines that allow its observation, like piercing through the dimensions, through the fabric of reality and outside of it by some television like screen or some telescope like thing. Instead it could require another special sense or maybe be observable only by some animals that would have that special sense or the normal senses acute enough for it.

It would probably be possible to see other Imaginatas at a distance, floating around on the Imaginarium, possibly even looking into them if their Barriers and the conditions on the Imaginarium allow for it and if one is able to have enough resolution to do so.

There is the possibility that our own Barrier has some degree of transparency to those who believe to have some form of sixth sense or mediunity and that the related types of so called paranormal phenomena are just the perception of the surrounding Imaginarium through it.
Mutability Edit

Its properties can change over time, possibly in relation to something inside or outside the reality it isolates.

A typical example is for the Barrier to become less permeable, more rigid and harder to cross as logic and science become more developed and common inside it. As people's ideas of their reality are less based on fantasy and they use their imaginations less and less to define it, the Barrier becomes harder and harder to cross, making the distinction between fantasy and reality even bigger and more evident.

As people understand the difference between fantasy and reality better they also define and enforce that difference more strongly. This is a type of subjective reality where reality becomes more and more objective as it is perceived to be so.

On other Imaginatas where people still define their own reality in a magical way, based on myths and legends and wonder, the Barrier remains much more flexible, enhancing that world view.

Not all Imaginatas have their Barrier being affected by the way people inside it view reality but that is probably the most common case. On the other cases the Barrier is the way it is no matter how people view it or reality.
Transforming whatever goes through it Edit

When this is a property of the Barrier it can work when crossing it in both directions or just one. And it can be automatically reversed when crossing it back again or not.

The changes can be very drastic or minor, can be physical or mental, etc. A Barrier that changes the nature of everything that goes through it can allow for easy crossing but most people would not desire to do so unless they are able to devise a method of protection.

Such a property, if understood well enough, could be used as a means to liberate your trans-humanistic desires or it could be used as a form of punishment as could banishment from reality itself through the Barrier. The transformation can be in such a way as to make it very desirable. Maybe it gives some advantageous property. If that is the case, if it has no risks or unwanted consequences and if it is easy to do, probably entire populations would do it as much as possible. On the other hand, if going through it would cause death, unless one is wearing some kind of protection, it could be used for suicides or as a form of execution.

Another option is a Barrier that transforms everything that goes through it to enter the reality inside it in a way that makes it compatible with said reality. The reverse could be a Barrier that gives imagination like properties to everything that leaves the reality inside it, making those things susceptible to being changed or affected by the imaginations of those inside it.
The common case Edit

As tends to happen, we usually consider ourselves to be the norm, and this is no exception so we would expect that the most common case is for the Imaginatas to have a Barrier similar to our own. Allowing them to imagine things out in the Imaginarium but, apparently, not much else.
Barrier Manifestations Edit

In many cases, especially those where the Barrier allows for physical crossing in some way, it has a physical manifestation inside the reality it is isolating from the Imaginarium.

These manifestations can be anything, from subjective and metaphoric things to concrete physical ones. It can appear as a physical barrier of any type, like a huge chasm, an impenetrable darkness, a wave of gravity or maybe of negative gravity which repels everything, a mystical barrier of energy or even a brick wall that exists somewhere. It can even take the form of things like a black-hole or maybe all black-holes existing in the universe, a mythical fountain on a lost land, a revered river or dangerous sea. It can be the light of the stars or the perfume of the flowers. It can exist as a wall of thorns or a wall of fire. Maybe it is every fire everywhere. It can also be the actual space-time fabric of existence.

Some believe the Mists to also be a manifestation of the Barrier.

For smaller Imaginatas it sometimes manifests itself as the actual edge of the world. Either an obvious barrier or an actual edge that allows one to look into the Imaginarium over in the distance.

The Barrier and its manifestations are never limited by the laws of reality for it is not part of the reality inside it. It separates reality from fiction but it is part of neither, while, at the same time, being part of both so it is subject to the laws of none of them.
Crossing the Barrier Edit

Crossing the Barrier itself can be more or less hard, requiring anything from just stepping on a certain direction to needing complex and powerful magical rituals or very advanced scientific understanding of the nature of reality allowing for the development of the needed technology to do so.
With Technology Edit

These technologies can be in the form of portals opening to other realities or to stabler close by places of the Imaginarium or in the form of ships that allow entering the Imaginarium in a "safer" way, providing a bubble of stability inside them for the protection of their crew. Other possibility is by using brain to brain interfaces or by using machines to mediate such links through brain-computer interfaces in order to allow one conscience to enter the imagination worlds that exist or have been created by another mind.

The more physical and obvious and concrete it is the more obvious the way to cross it is. One just needs to perform the action that would typically allow crossing of such a physical obstacle, possibly with a greater intensity but the analogy remains. Breaking through the great brick wall, using a boat to cross the ocean, etc. In other cases it is more complicated and it enters the realms of mysticism.
By accident Edit

When it is possible to cross it in some way, some manifestations of the Barrier can cause unsuspecting persons caught by it to cross it accidentally, possibly dropping them on other parts of their reality, other realities or even directly in the Imaginarium. These events can be described as the poor victims having fallen through the cracks of reality.
Danger of No Return Edit

Even when it is possible to physically cross the Barrier in one direction it doesn't necessarily mean that it is also possible to cross it back on the other direction. Sometimes the journey is a one way trip and there is usually no way of telling if that is the case beforehand. Even if just crossing it with one's mind it is perfectly possible to become trapped outside as a disembodied mind, leaving nothing but a comatose shell behind.

It is possible to imagine that death itself is one of such one way trips across a Barrier that does not allow for the return trip into our normal physical reality.
Magic and the Barrier Edit

Most magic everywhere tends to use the power of the Imaginarium, consciously or unconsciously, directly or indirectly, with or without knowledge. A common thing to most magic is that it usually has some kind of what could be called a price or a consequence for those who use it. These consequences usually come from the need to go through the Barrier in order to use or collect such magic power. Even if one is not aware that that is what one is doing.
When fantasy leaks into reality Edit

If the Barrier is so thin as to practically be non-existing, the Imaginatas inside it get flooded by the Imaginarium and that can be very dangerous, possibly fully destroying them but, at beast, leaving them in a state where many of the chaotic and undefined properties of the Imaginarium apply to them as well. Fantasy and reality become indistinguishable or almost so. Anything anyone imagines becomes as real as they are and that can be extremely dangerous if uncontrolled.

In some Imaginatas the Barrier is either flawed in some subtle ways having holes on its structure that allow unexpected passage through it or is permeable enough to the fantasies of imagination to be able to enter it without it being so easy to the point of being ridiculous, so it happens rarely enough that a distinction between reality and fiction is maintained.

A fictional creature or event can enter it once in a while or a place can be slowly affected by the thoughts and beliefs people have about it. Feelings, ideas, imaginations about an item or a location or even a time can slowly impregnate such things and change their real properties over time.

This usually results in different types of myths and legends. A hunted house, a character from a book roaming the world in disguise, ghosts and other stories. A book that leaves all its readers perturbed by it in an unexplained way, without a logical reason to do so. All types of things can be attributed to such fantasy leakage into reality.
Affecting it Edit

In some Imaginatas, advanced technology and/or powerful magic can allow the Barrier itself to be affected in different ways.

It can be reinforced or weakened. Its properties can be changed in any way, possibly opening holes in it, making it easier to cross in specific places or ways for those who know how to use those passages. Making it denser and harder to cross or giving it some defense mechanisms, to act as a protection from some danger from the Imaginarium threatening their reality. Possibly making it scan everything that enters it, for virus, weapons, excessive power, even bad intentions, incompatible features, or other possible hazards. The risk of the Barrier allowing an Incompatible Being to enter through it is too high. Luckily such beings tend to be rare enough in the close neighborhood of any Imaginata.

Linking the Barrier of two different Imaginatas to facilitate travel, communication, commerce, etc between them. Possibly by opening related holes in both Barriers that tunnel through the Imaginarium directly to each other. Sometimes networks of such tunnels crossing each other can be found in the Imaginarium, linking many different Imaginatas. Sometimes the tunnels divided into several forming very complex networks. There are even way stations connecting directly to openings on such tunnels at some points.

Altering the Barrier of another Imaginata to allow easier entrance into it or maybe making it dangerous or even lethal to those inside it, turning it into a weapon or a tool of war and conquest. By completely blowing up or ripping apart a Barrier from the outside one makes the entire reality inside it open to the Imaginarium, free for the taking by anyone capable. Everything inside it waiting to be mined for resources.

Anything is possible for those with the ability and will to engineer entire realities to achieve their goals.
Mining it Edit

There is also the theory that whatever it is made of could be extracted and used to build other things. Its material is the concept of separation between reality and fantasy and what could be possible to do with that is anyone's guess. Maybe it can be possible to create new types of reality-fantasy dichotomies with some other properties. Imaginarium
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Imaginarium
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Imaginary
Level
Top level of everything that is not real
Inhabitants
Anything that isn't real, like Thought Lurkers
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Omniumverse. It defines location for all non-real things. There is no other location for them than within it.
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Everything that is not real
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None and all
The space of imagination. It is not a dimension, a realm, a world, a space, a void, a verse or a reality, it just is. The Imaginarium can be put into its own category if we classify it this way.

But calling it a space, or any other thing actually, will do. We must call it something in order to talk about it. It is a distinct weakness of our language that it has no words to describe the indescribable. Therefore all these words chosen to do so should be viewed only as imperfect metaphors at best.

Different cultures have named this thing differently and imagined it with very different properties. It has been named the astral sea, the beyond, chaos, the essence, the flow, the in-between, the magium, the mists, the nothing, the outside, the primordial chaos, the strange, the unreality, the unspace, the void, etc.
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   What is it?
       Its Nature
       Attempts at defining it
   Internal Structure
       Deep Imaginarium
   Properties
       Permeable to Imagination
       Subjective
       Not analyzable
   Its Contents
       Treasures
       Horrors of the imagination
   Its dangers
       Things inside of it
       Chaotic nature
       Mental dangers
       Corrupting
       Resisting the dangers
   Entering it
       Mentally
       Physically
       It also crosses back into reality
       Reasons to enter it
   Activities inside of it
       Exploration
       Contact
       Built structures
       Tunneling through it
   Natives
       Sapient natives
   Relations with other Cosmological Objects
   Relations with the Omniumverse, the Realium and Itself
   Point of View Hypothesis

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Position in the Omniumverse Edit

It is one of the two essential parts of the Omniumverse, the other one being the Realium which stands in opposition to it.

While the Realium contains everything that is real, the Imaginarium contains everything that is not strictly real. This includes things that are just not real but also things that are both real and not real at the same time as well as things that are neither real nor not real or even things for which those properties don't even apply. Things that aren't even things, paradoxes, etc.
What is it? Edit

One could say that the Imaginarium is unreality, a sea of Imaethyr, the element of which imagined things are made of before being molded and given form by the process of imagining them.

Whenever anyone talks about the Imaginarium, it is assumed that they are talking about what could be called the Shallow Imaginarium, not the entirety of the Imaginarium. Unless otherwise stated, everything in this text applies to the Shallow Imaginarium specifically.
Its Nature Edit

Its nature is that it has no true or real nature.

It has no laws of any kind governing it, physics or otherwise, and no physical substance at all. It is subjective in its essence, without any stability unless what ever is imposed upon it. It has no space and no time, no dimensions of any kind. It has no form or shape for a shape presumes some kind of space. The Imaginarium is a non-spacial space where exists all that "is not". It is not a space and it has no space but it can have many areas on which space exists, in one way or another. It doesn't have time either, but time can exist in many ways in many different areas inside it.
Attempts at defining it Edit

It cannot be defined except in this weak way through nonsensical analogies and indirect references. It is not something that can be defined either by language, mathematics or logic of any kind. It transcends all those concepts, it transcends concepts and conceptualization itself. It includes all those concepts as well as all else that transcend them. Things don't have to make sense inside the Imaginarium and probably don't most of the time.

Whatever it is imagined or believed to be, its reality is more than that. Even indirect and infinitely recursive definitions or references are not enough to capture it. Nor is any other linguistic, logical or imaginary mechanism to do so. It's ultimate definition is that which cannot be defined.

Even the previous definition doesn't make it any justice though for it is beyond what can be imagined by anyone, real or imagined. It itself cannot be fully imagined in its entirety for any and all attempts just result in the stabilization of an area inside being defined in the way imagined.

Imaginarium is just a word that is being used to refer to it in a necessarily unsatisfactory manner.
Internal Structure Edit

It cannot be said to have a overall structure. Despite that it is convenient to understand it as having different areas inside it, each with different properties. It is important to remember that this is just a metaphorical way of trying to understand it though, not its actual reality for it has no overall structure, except where it has one.
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An area can be as large as it needs to be, from negative sizes to infinite sizes, transfinite, impossible size, no size at all, all of the above, none of the above or both at the same time. Also, each area can be subdivided into more areas inside it that can share some of the properties of the larger one or none at all. Each area can be infinitely divided in more areas and those in more areas and so on.

The areas inside can also contain the area containing them, can be larger than the area contained them, etc. Paradoxical definitions and impossible relations are not uncommon. This is how the Imaginarium contains itself infinitely many times for any of its areas can easily contain the whole of it or even more.

The Shallow Imaginarium is effectively one of these areas. The area we are most familiar with. The Deep Imaginarium is all the other areas along with everything not in the Shallow Imaginarium.

There isn't necessarily a noticeable change between one area and the next. It can be so gradual to the point of being unnoticeable by anyone but it can also be very sharp and drastic. What this means is that these areas aren't necessarily concrete things, they can be subjective, inconstant, mutable and unstable.
Deep Imaginarium Edit
It is convenient to to imagine the Imaginarium as being divided in two big areas, the Shallow Imaginarium and the Deep Imaginarium. This makes it easier to talk and think about it, however it can't be said to fully correspond to its reality. Even then it is a useful analogy.
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The Imaginatas existing in a given area and even the properties of that area are all derived from the imagination of the inhabitants of some other Imaginata located prominently on that area as well. The larger area encompassing them all forms its Shallow Imaginarium. This is true for the Realium as is for any other Imaginata. This means that the term Shallow Imaginarium is relative from one's point of view or origin.

So the Shallow Imaginarium is the area containing all the Imaginatas that are directly derived from the imagination of those inside the Realium. After that, a larger area contains all Imaginatas directly derived from the imagination of those inside any of the Imaginatas of the first line. This area already can be said to be a little less shallow, a little deeper, whatever that means. It is a little less familiar, a little stranger. After that comes another larger area with all the Imaginatas derived from the imagination of the inhabitants of all the Imaginatas of the second line and so on for all the infinite chains of derived Imaginatas from derived Imaginatas. Some of the times these areas overlap with Imaginatas being simultaneously derived from the imaginations of multiple other Imaginatas. Sometimes even loops of imagination are formed, from pairs of Imaginatas each imagining the other or even more complex loops.

Only after that is the real Deep Imaginarium. First it only appears as a place where infinitely many other unrelated chains like that exist but even deeper than that is where no such chains exist. Where no Imaginatas exist. Where other things, different things exist. Where it is not permeable to imagination in the same ways or at all. Where it can be described in different ways, maybe described like The Box, maybe in other more different ways. Where all the text on this page ceases to apply. Where the non-imagined and the unimaginable things exist and even beyond that.
Properties Edit

Despite being very hard to define in many ways, there are a few properties that can be attributed to it.
Permeable to Imagination Edit

It is very permeable to and molded by imagination. Things that are imagined appear here somewhere and any thoughts at it will cause it to change according to it. Strong or persistent thoughts will cause some area to stabilize in the form imagined and remain that way for some time.
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It is your imagination, its inside your head.

It could be said that even this description of it is only valid because it is being imagined this way. This is a valid description of what the Shallow Imaginarium is but not of the entire Imaginarium for nothing can be said that applies globally to it all.

Any thoughts, ideas or imaginations exist here and stay here somewhere wandering around and never truly disappearing. They just become weaker and weaker and move farther and farther away.

The more stable areas inside it are called Imaginatas. No matter how badly defined an area is, how chaotic or subjective, how contradictory or impossible, any seed of imagination, belief, thought, reasoning or any other similar process will just give birth to a new Imaginata.

The area surrounding an Imaginata, or the Realium for that matter, is mostly defined by the agglomeration of all thoughts, ideas, beliefs and fantasies of the people from that place. But what shapes it strongly is what people believe it to be. If they imagine it as a chaotic sea of colors than that's probably what it will be or look like. It is also common for each area of it to function more or less like the world it surrounds for that is what people in that world are familiar with and what they will expect. Therefore whatever laws govern such a world, laws of physics or something else, will also tend to apply to some extent in the area of the Imaginarirum surrounding that world. Despite all that, entering it can still be very confusing at the minimum or extremely dangerous at the worst case.
Subjective Edit

Any area is usually defined by what the people closer to it think or believe about it.
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It is what you think it is!

If contradictory beliefs exist the close by area will be defined by those as well without any problems and will itself become contradictory in nature. It is also possible that the same area will be very different to different observers if each one imagines it to be something different. Sometimes an area ends up as the result of a mixture of all the multiple imaginations, sometimes it ends up being a different thing for each observer, sometimes something in between.

Even its subjectivity is subjective. Even its permeability to imagination is alterable by said imagination. It is subjectively subjective, not objectively subjective.
Not analyzable Edit

Because it is imagination, by analyzing it you only analyze yourself and your darkest and deepest corners. You might not like what you see in there!

It is possible to speculate that by analyzing the Imaginatas, their behavior and properties one analyzes the properties of the Imaginarium itself, even if in an indirect way. This idea postulates that the behavior and even existence of the Imaginatas are the direct result of some property or properties of the Imaginarium. This would seem logic at first sight but unfortunately logic does not apply to the Imaginarium at all.
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You might not like what you see!

It is probably ideas like these that cause a very large area of the Imaginarium, which is easily confused with its entirety as we tend to do ourselves, to behave in the way described here. This is the area called the Shallow Imaginarium.

Other areas probably behave very differently and present very different properties, maybe with Imaginatas behaving differently, having different types of Imaginatas, a different type of things, or maybe nothing at all. It is not actually possible to know for knowing is also imagining and imagining creates Imaginatas. It is a cycle and a contradiction at the same time that knowing the Imaginarium creates what is known about it. It is not possible to say what comes first, what is known or what is knowable for only that cycle exists. Both things come first and both come second.

The larger body of the Imaginarium is even less defined than these areas and there is a real risk that by talking about we are already defining just another larger area instead of talking about the whole. It is important to remember that, by definition, the Imaginarium cannot be defined, that is its fundamental property. Actually, its fundamental property is that it has no fundamental property. Actually, its fundamental property is the contradiction in that sentence. And it refuses to allow some property, even a fundamental one, to define it in any way. Whenever a property or definition is found that applies to it, it is immediately shown to be just another larger Imaginata area inside it instead. Just so, just because.
Its Contents Edit

All the worlds of imagination and fiction exist here. All our thoughts, dreams, ideas, beliefs, everything we reason, talk about or conceptualize.

These are all Imaginatas and they exist here like stars and galaxies exist on the Universe, like islands exist on the sea, like air bubbles in water, like dust particles in the wind. Large or small, they exist in all types and forms. Some are Universes, Multiverses or even larger, some are entire Cosmologies like those presented here, some are single galaxies, solar systems, even isolated planets or just smaller parts of them like small rocks floating in the void of chaos that surrounds them. They can even be as small as a single city, a building, a single room or even smaller.
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Something strange!

They can have any form as well, not just those that would correspond to a place. They can be a vehicle, an item, a creature, even a sapient one, a single beating hearth without a body surrounding it, constantly pumping the currents of imagination around it.

They can be isolated dimensions without contents or things that exist without space for them to exist in. They can be partial universes where reality breaks apart randomly in several places, pocket realities of extremely limited size, even non physical things like concepts, words, sounds or smells, images, bursts of electricity or heat, a color that exists by itself without a canvas to be colored by it, a few lines of software code passing by or an emotion that has come to say hi. Even seeds of ideas never had by anyone can be found here somewhere.
Treasures Edit

Many of the things inside can be very valuable and desired by many, to the point of actually being real treasures, capable of changing the lives of the lucky few able to find them.

Idea or concept mining is a common activity. This consists in collecting free floating ideas and concepts in order to make use of them somehow. Because it is the place of though and imagination, all thoughts and ideas occur there and can be found there. If one knows how to look it is possible to learn what anyone has ever though or believed about anything. Seeds of unborn ideas can be found floating around, some can be genial and collecting them could lead one to a breakthrough invention or a beyond masterwork art form. The solutions to all problems real or imaginary, including those yet to come. One with amnesia could find their lost memories in there as well. These things are even used as a form of currency on some places. Some ideas and concepts are obviously more valuable than others and those rarer ones can become very highly prized and be traded by very large amounts of currency or other resources.
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The most beautiful things!

Many other treasures and mysteries can also be found there. Small Imaginatas can be found of whatever riches or resources have been imagined for them. They open up the door to the possibility of endless resources of any type, from energy to raw materials, knowledge, technology, entertainment, new cultures and civilizations of any type and at any level or development.

Not just physical or plausible treasures either. It is easily possible to imagine that things like the fountain of youth or divinity seeds that would turn anyone into a god could be found here, therefore they can.

Completely abstract things can be found here directly. The love of a desired, person that does not correspond such feelings. Happiness on its pure form. Things like a sense of humor or a larger intelligence. The power to do something one could not do before, like the power to fly or the power to become invisible, enhanced strength or the power to see again (useful for a blind person). All these things and more can be found here somewhere in many different forms, possibly, but not necessarily, assuming some quasi-physical substance.
Horrors of the imagination Edit

In the same way that all treasures of the imagination can be found here, so can all its horrors, so one should thread very carefully, even when dealing with an apparently valuable finding for it can turn out to be something else entirely.
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Anything can be a monster!

Even though any one can imagine whatever they want and it will be there somewhere, there is no guarantee that it will be in an easy to reach place. The more precious and valuable it is for the one imagining it, the harder to find and obtain it will probably be, possibly even being surrounded by dangers of different types, traps, guardian creatures, etc, all probably taken from the unconscious mind of the one imagining them in the first place. And it is only normal for the unconscious mind to link valuable or desired things to them being hard or dangerous to find and get or even to them being already owned by someone else who will want to keep them. Even the slightest seed of a doubt or a danger will contaminate the result therefore one requires the most extremely focused mind in order to create exactly what one desires without any flaws or drawbacks. The many unconscious thoughts of others related to and close enough to have an effect on the result will also affect it to some extent.
Its dangers Edit

Anyone capable of entering it will most likely need to take some way to ensure their survival with them for it has many dangers.
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The only helping trait it has is that the expectations of those entering it will tend to form a stability bubble around them, which helps to some extent. If they are able to focus enough they can even shape the area around them to their desires. Other than that it is very much chaotic and subjective to an extreme.
Things inside of it Edit

Despite many treasures and useful resources existing inside it, there are also many many things that are dangerous to the unexpected traveler.

The horrors and nightmares of entire civilizations roam around somewhere inside it. Any harmful, fearful, dark thought anyone ever had somewhere is in there somewhere and can be very dangerous in many different and unexpected ways.

Things that have become alive in there, some feed on that property that real things have that makes them different from fantasy and are, therefore attracted to them, attacking travelers to feed on them.

Random thoughts can come alive around people who have them and even good things that one finds can change to become dangerous in some way if people around it are not careful with their thoughts.
Chaotic nature Edit

It has no space or time to exist in, no air to breathe, no ground to stand on, no gravity at all or anyway to move inside it. There are no points in space, no specific locations, one can keep on zooming in or out forever on the same place and move in that direction without moving.

Senses get mixed in and confused, sounds can become visible and colors turn into smells. What one person sees or experiences has no relation to what the others do, even when they are together. Other times, all their experiences combine together to form a common but very confusing one. This can result on everybody in the group perceiving all the different and contradictory experiences at the same time or in a "reality by consensus" being defined for the group.

Distance is also subjective and has no meaning. A thing that is perceived as being at an extreme distance might be jut right next to you and something that seems close by can be at the most extreme of distances.

Even size is relative. A thing that is 1cm inside one Imaginata can be one parsec on another or even more. And when they meed in the Imaginarium they can appear to have any size relative to each other.
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You are all around you!

The only way to move around, if no space and solid ground is found, is by focusing one's thoughts into moving in the desired direction. But even direction is subjective, it is possible to look left and see oneself from the right or from any other point of view. It is even possible to see multiple images of oneself in several places at the same time, at different distances, all of them real.

Sometimes one can even see one's own past or future in several places. Going to those places just means coming back to the same point but at the different moments in time.

Sometimes space functions like time and time like space, sometimes one or the other does not exist at all. Sometimes they function in completely weird ways. Sometimes there are many more dimensions of one or the other or both.
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As the Imaginarium has no time or can have multiply time dimensions in the same place, all passing at different speeds, it is not possible to know how much time as passed while inside it. A second can become a million years or the other way around.
Mental dangers Edit

The entire experience tends to cause extreme emotions of helplessness, confusion, claustrophobia, fear of heights and even madness eventually.

Even those entering it in their minds alone, not physically, are subjected to these effects. They might not be as dependent on a physical reality to move around and to deal with their environment as one who is there physically but their minds are still used to interact with the environment around them in a physical way.
Corrupting Edit

Its ultimate danger though is that it slowly consumes the existence of anything inside it, corroding it like an acid that leaves nothing unburned.

Real things slowly become less real, more subjective, less focused, less defined, eventually having their nature change into that of the Imaginarium itself, being turned into fantasy, subjectivity, imagination, becoming non-real.
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You are slowly unmade!

Those affected by these tend not to notice as it is a slow process and there is nothing inside the Imaginarium that can serve as a point of comparison to remember oneself of what is real and what is not. Only when one tries to leave it again can this change become apparent as the contrast between the reality, even if only that of a stable Imaginata, and what one have become in whatever amount of time has passed. At that time it is already too late and nothing more can be done about it.
Resisting the dangers Edit

The only way to resist these effects to some extent is by being able to focus one's thoughts enough but even this is a temporary measure for there is only so much time one can maintain a focused and continuous thought without being distracted by anything and if there is anything that the inside of the Imaginarium is is distracting.
Entering it Edit

Entering it requires leaving reality itself, going through the Great Barrier into the land of fantasy. This sentence alone should give an idea of how hard it is to achieve.
Mentally Edit

The easiest way to do it though, is through the mind. Any usage of the imagination in any way is already a form of entering it just slightly, like wetting one's toes on the beach.

The exact same thing that gives it shape is what allows us to reach into it. We do this all the time without even knowing it or thinking about it. We are able to explore large parts of it as well as many of the Imaginatas that exist in there. We are also able to remember our past which lives there through the use of our memory and to plan for the future by using our ability to predict it through expectations and reasoning that also allow us to cross the Great Barrier into it.

Sleeping and dreaming penetrates it much deeper, as does day dreaming.
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Going inside your own unconscious!

Lucid dreaming is an even more powerful way of doing it. Its the form at which the potential of the Imaginarium to be molded by one's desires really becomes apparent. But it is also deceiving in that it hides the chaos that lies beneath it all and the difficulty in controlling it, for the unconscious mind keeps it stable for the entire process.

Meditation is similar but it allows one to reach as deep while remaining conscious.

Many hallucinogenic drugs also send one's mind into it, possibly providing some degree of stabilization around it, possibly not. The dangers inherent to the usage of such drugs are, many times, not actually directly derived from their usage but a consequence of being inside the Imaginarium.

Astral projection is probably the more advanced form of having one's mind leave the body and it also allows for easy entering into the Imaginarium, if one is aware of it and how to do it. It can become so easy as to the point of being trivial.
Physically Edit

Entering it physically is much harder. One's body is part of one's reality and what needs to be made is to separate that part of reality that is one's body from the rest of it.

How does one get into the land of imagination? The story of a book, the setting of a TV show or a movie? How does one enter into the realm of all that is not real, the sea of the elements of imagination? This is probably impossible so, in order to do it one must achieve the impossible.

Magic is one way, the more obvious one, if it exists in one's reality at all. But some kind of super-science can also allow to achieve this result. It just needs to understand the nature of reality and be able to poke holes through it. How it can be done and how easy it is depends on the nature of the Imaginata one is trying to exit from.
It also crosses back into reality Edit

More strange than being able to enter it is to have it or its contents, to have fantasy cross back into reality and affect it.

Sometimes the Imaginarium itself or some Imaginata is able to cross the Great Barrier into the Realium at some level. This can be witnessed as we are affected by it happening, we have our feelings affected in this or that way because of it, we become convinced of something or get a new idea that just appeared out of no where, we get inspired, motivated, unmotivated, etc. All those things are examples of the Imaginarium reaching out to us, into the Realium.

Things physically entering reality from outside probably do not happen in the Realium itself but they can happen all the time in several Imaginatas. It all depends on the nature and permeability of the Great Barrier around them.
Reasons to enter it Edit

There are many reasons that lead those crazy enough to do so. The first and most obvious one is because it is in our nature. It is there so it causes a need to explore it to appear. It is the last and larger frontier.

Some explorations are purely scientific in nature, driven by the search for knowledge, an attempt to understand the nature of this new frontier and what it can say about the nature of their own reality. Others are purely driven by greed in an attempt to collect as much of its endless resources and treasures as possible.
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Becoming something more!

Attempts at contacting the realities of other Imaginatas are also typical. Some are simply motivated by curiosity, a desire for cultural exchange or exploration. Others by attempting to establish trading relations with them. But many are also motivated by a desire for conquest and exploitation of their resources.

Another common reason is a desire to escape one's own reality, to find something better or to create a new one shaped by one's desires. The idea that anyone can create and shape their own personal reality according to their whims and live like a king there or even become a god inside it can be very tempting.

It is even possible to change oneself by imagining something different, possibly something more but the risk is even higher.
Activities inside of it Edit

Many civilizations from different Imaginatas are aware of the existence of the Imaginarium and some are able to enter it with more or less difficulty using different methods and processes.
Exploration Edit

There is some exploration of it, analogous to our own exploration of space.

Researchers study its apparent patterns and behaviors from the safety of an Imaginata, using special machines akin to telescopes that allow looking into it. They study other Imaginatas in the same way we study other stars or planets. They also study the brain and the process of imagination and relate those two disciplines for that is the nature of the Imaginarium. Some research stations have been establish inside it for scientific purposes.

The areas immediately surrounding an Imaginata have the properties of both that Imaginata and the Imaginarium. They are very stable and very similar to the Imaginata itself but not fully so. It becomes more unstable as one reaches farther away into the Imaginarium. These are the most explored areas, the places where most structures are built and where most activity exists. They are sometimes referred to as beachheads.
Contact Edit

As different civilizations explore it and venture into it several end up contacting each other and forming different types of relationships.

Any contact with other Imaginatas usually tends to be mostly limited to the closest ones. They tend to have somewhat similar or, at least, familiar inner realities for they usually originate from each others imaginations and exist as derivations of each other. Because of this or as a reason for this they also tend to have people with similar ways of thinking or believing and imagining.

Politics of every kind ensue as the result of different civilizations meeting each other. They trade and learn with each other, form larger groups based on common interests, etc.

As it usually happens whenever different civilizations meet each other, there are also military incursions into it, prisons, military bases, fleets, war!
Built structures Edit

Many civilizations have built or attempted to build many types of lasting structures directly inside the Imaginarium, unattached to any Imaginata.

These structures serve many possible usages from exploratory and research stations, military outposts, mining facilities, etc. If some area of interest is found inside it, usually some type of structure will be built in order to try to claim and maintain control over it. Any found resource that one intends to collect also requires the necessary machines and structures to do so effectively. Industrial complexes that take advantage of some property of the Imaginarium in order to work more efficiently. Artificial habitats help dealing with over-population problems inside of Imaginatas that suffer from it. On places where the Imaginarium is sufficiently understood and explored, even tourist places can be found.

Due to the inherent orientation difficulties inside the Imaginarium another common type of structure is a navigational beacon, similar to a light house but adapted to the specific conditions of this much more hostile environment. They are intended to help ships reach their destinations much more consistently and faster. Without them any type of movement through the Imaginarium is much more uncertain and a large percentage of ships used to get lost. Even with their presence, disappearances are still not a rare occurrence.
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Paths of many kind crisscross through its space!

Another structure intended to make movement more constant and safer is the establishment of routes of some type. These can vary from simple guiding lasers to the construction of actual physical road like structures. Due to their size and because, by their very nature, they are usually not entirely inside well stabilized and controlled areas. They are usually very hard to follow correctly unless one is very familiar with them and knows how to do so safely. It is not unheard of for them to change in unpredictable ways under the effects of the environment around them. Because of this they require regular maintenance and the ruins of ancient paths that fell into disuse can be found floating around sometimes. Even then, with all those flaws and limitations, they still make the paths along them much safer than without them. Despite these requirements they are very commonly used to establish trade routes between Imaginatas or as umbilical cords to the artificial structures constructed in no man's land.

All these artificial structures will require a form of maintaining their stability in face of the corrosive nature of the Imaginarium. The more they are, the larger they are, the closer they are to Imaginatas and the more people they have on them the more stable they become. Unless these structures exist in an area very close to several Imaginatas that provide it stability, these effects tend to not be enough for them to be entirely dependable. Because of this there have been many attempts at artificial stabilization technologies.

Lost and abandoned structures are not uncommon and are probably much more numerous than those in use and properly stabilized. Usually they are warped by their environment, having lost all or part of their stability. The most primitive ones didn't even have a stability generation mechanism, which is probably what caused their eventual collapse in the first place. Some can be in their current state due to past accidents that lead to their destruction. Many can be very dangerous and unpredictable.
Tunneling through it Edit

Tunnels have been digged through the Imaginarium to link multiple Imaginatas together. The creation of portals between the realities of different Imaginatas usually manifests physically as tunnels crossing the Imaginarium space between them.

They allow for communication and movement between them without having to enter and be exposed to the Imaginarium directly. They are similar to roads except that they are closed to the Imaginarium environment outside of them, providing a much higher measure of protection.

Its their construction and maintenance that is the hard part but once they are in position things become a lot easier. They are much harder to build than simple roads for they require actually isolating the environment of the Imaginarium from entering them over their entire distance which is not easy. It is not simply possible to first build the open tunnel and then siphon out the Imaginarium from the inside of it. Not for such larger structures.

Some areas have very large and complex networks of those tunnels inside them linking hundreds, thousands, millions and, sometimes, even higher numbers of Imaginatas. The larger the network, the more tunnels there are and the more Imaginatas they connect to the stabler is the area between those Imaginatas and the safer and less maintenance the tunnels require. This happens because so many closely related Imaginatas have a much stronger effect on the area around them and each one reinforces the others, all contributing together to stabilizing it. The closer and more related two Imaginatas become the more common, similar and related their imaginations tend to be as well. If a network becomes strong enough in the space between several Imaginatas, the entire grid becomes a huge common beachhead. In the extreme the close Imaginatas can even join together into a single larger one, covering the entire space between them all.

Other structures existing directly in the Imaginarium can also be linked to those tunnel networks.
Natives Edit

There are some native creatures to the Imaginarium, basically because they have been imagined to exist. In the same way that the ancient sailors imagined monsters on the deep, far away and unexplored seas, so have those who ventured into the Imaginarium imagined great and fantastic monsters living in it.

There is a huge array of possible creatures living, surviving and even thriving inside it. They remain undamaged by their surroundings because that is the way they have been imagined and they are very stable for the same reason. After they have been imagined in such a way, their own reality gives them the stability needed to resist such environment. and the abilities needed to navigate it. Even then their eventual deaths can still be attributed to the corruption inherent to the environment.

An example of such creatures are the Thought Lurkers.
Sapient natives Edit

A few of such creatures are even sapient.

Those are then able to continue to imagine themselves in order to enhance their survival. Such entities can shape their surroundings by focusing their minds and become very powerful within such realms for they imagine themselves and their realms that way. They can even become god-like in their realms if they are able to focus their minds enough. Some have encompassed entire Imaginatas inside their realms making them the rulers of such worlds. There is even a theory that such entities could have imagined themselves into being.

Despite this the Imaginarium itself has no ruling entity over its entirety. Some entities can be perceived that way due to them ruling a large enough area but there are always many other areas outside of their realm. This is just a special case of the Imaginarium having no global rules or properties.

In their essence, all these beings, sapient or otherwise, are just another form of Imaginata, for they are the creations of imagination.
Relations with other Cosmological Objects Edit

The realms that those god-like entities rule over have been called Godverses. They are usually attached to one or more Imaginatas that their rulers control or have even created. They are different from normal Imaginatas in the sense that they are much more connected to the existence of their own rulers and are kept stable by their incredible mental powers alone.

The areas between the clusters of Imaginatas are much more empty, as the focus of imaginations usually are concentrated together to some extent. Those empty areas correspond to the Outside. Even further away, beyond those areas is the Beyond. Areas not filled with the imaginations, not empty of them but instead filled with their opposite, filled with 'amaginations' or 'unmaginations', whatever those are. But those areas are extremely far away, across many infinities of non-space. They exist beyond even the Deep Imaginarium.

Paradox Space is probably the equivalent of the Imaginarium if not exactly the same thing, with their descriptions being closer than anything else. More likely it just corresponds to the Deep Imaginarium instead. Both contain all that is not real and both are filled with paradoxes, even being paradoxal in nature.

The Box can also be seen as the equivalent of the Imaginarium. As it has been imagined, it is contained by the Imaginarium but the Imaginarium can also be shown to be contained by it, therefore they are similar in that respect. Each contains the other and each contains itself infinitely many times, in infinitely many versions of itself. That being said the Box is probably more similar to the Omniumverse instead, making it slightly bigger than the Imaginarium. But it still exists inside the Imaginarium in the same way that the Omniumverse also exists inside it. The multiple Altarca existing in the Box easily correspond to different Imaginatas.

Imaginatas contain their own internal Cosmologies and they can even have multiple parallel Cosmologies at the same time, either related or unrelated to each other. They can have any size and contain anything, from a single Universe or smaller, a Multiverse, a Omniverse or even larger. It is even possible for an Imaginata to contain its own Box or its own, equally sized Imaginarium or even Omniumverse inside it. Despite that, they still exist inside the Imaginarium so they both contain and are contained by it. Even those largest ones end up succumbing to the pressure and corruption of the Imaginarium eventually, after enough eternities have passed inside them.
Relations with the Omniumverse, the Realium and Itself Edit

The Imaginarium itself is part of the Imaginarium to the same extent that it is part of the Realium.

It is imagined therefore part of itself. It is both larger and smaller than itself at the same time. It contains itself infinitely many times. But imagination is, by all evidence, something real, therefore part of the Realium. To the extent that all we imagine is part of reality in a certain way, so are all of the Imaginatas and the Imaginarium itself. They are all real in the sense that they are really imagined. But the Imaginarium is less real than all of the Imaginatas inside it for its definition is that which is not real. This agrees with the impossibility of fully imagining it for that would make it real in this way. So the Imaginarium is the thing that cannot ever be fully real despite having to be real at the same time.

The contrary is also true. Many of the aspects of the Realium or even its entirety are also part of the Imaginarium. We imagine reality all the time, we perceive it and process those perceptions in our brains, our minds and those perceptions live inside the Imaginarium. Also, is there any difference between experiencing something and imagining it? Some insights point for the brain to be unable to tell the difference. Is the past real? We remember it but, as such it exists only as recordings and as memories in our minds, therefore it exists in the Imaginarium where all such things exist.

We make recordings of reality all the time. Are they recordings or are they the reality? They are real recordings but even if they are 100% truthful of what they record they don't record all of reality and they are not all of reality. They aren't even the part of reality that was recorded. The map is not the territory after all. Therefore they are not the same as reality, so they must be in the Imaginarium. Even more so if they are not 100% truthful in all the little details. And so they must for the writing is contained in reality so it cannot also contain reality at the same time. That contradiction is a property that can exist in the Imaginarium but not in the Realium, as far as we know. So the writing does not contain reality, does not describe it entirely and in 100% faithful way so it must be describing some Imaginata that is extremely closer to the Realium in the ways described in the writing. Any reading of a recording produces only an imaginary view of the reality, an Imaginata, not reality itself. There is a difference between information and what it describes. Information, even knowledge, at this level are just other words for imagination, they are part of the Imaginarium. Reality was recorded to create the recording but what is recorded is now only information which exists in the Imaginarium as another Imaginata. More than mere recordings of reality, works of fiction are clearly even more in the Imaginarium, much deeper and further away from the Realium.
Point of View Hypothesis Edit

A curious view of it all is one consistent with that of the philosophy of modal realism. By that view all of the Imaginatas would be as real as the Realium. That also turns the Realium into just another Imaginata, making them indistinguishable. Realium becomes just another name for "my Imaginata" or Actual Reality and Imaginata becomes just another name for Reality. The Imaginarium becomes the entire Omniumverse and the space that exists between all the existing realities. There is probably no way of knowing if this is true or not though.
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Just a name for everything, for the all encompassing set. It is in our nature to name things and this is a name to include all names.

Whenever one talks or thinks about anything that thing is inside it. No exceptions, none, zip. It represents the top most level of ThisWriter's Cosmology as defined here on this wiki.

It has been referred by many other names like Reality, Omniverse, The Box, etc but here the name Omniumverse was chosen. These names may also plausibly refer to things that have been named differently in this Cosmology.
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Reality vs Fiction Edit

There has been an attempt to define the Omniumverse in a way that actually makes sense with our True Reality as well as with any imagined or fictional one.
Structure Edit

It is divided into two parts: the Realium and the Imaginarium. But like with everything else, whenever people see a division in two they also see a barrier or a border between those two things. This border will just be called the Great Barrier.

The Omniumverse is then divided into three parts: the Realium is all that is real; The Great Barrier is the border or division between reality and fantasy; Finally, the Imaginarium is all that is not real to some extent.

One could try to continue this reasoning: what is the border between the Realium and the Great Barrier and the Great Barrier and the Imaginarium? Doesn't that mean that there are 5 parts then and so on up to an infinity of parts? Well, those borders can all be collapsed into the Great Barrier itself as they are just more borders upon borders. But this argument can be used to demonstrate that the Great Barrier is infinitely thick and infinitely variable.

Inside the Imaginarium there are the Imaginata, the worlds of fantasy and belief. Put into context, things like The Box are either part of one or several Imaginatas or are equivalent to the Imaginarium itself but hardly ever the same as the Omniumverse. Names like Reality are probably synonymous to the Realium.
How it relates to its inner structures and how they relate to each other Edit

At the same time as it contains both of its constituents, the Omniumverse is also part of each of those. Both parts, both the Realium and the Imaginarium contain the whole in some way. It is being imagined by this writer, therefore part of the Imaginarium but again, by all evidence, there really exists a distinction between reality and fantasy, therefore the Omniumverse must be real as well, therefore part of the Realium.

Finally, each part is also contained in the other. The Realium contains the Imaginarium and the Imaginarium contains the Realium but these relationships are explained in their corresponding pages.
Arguments for other structures or larger things Edit

One could theorize about the existence of other things other than the three presented here or even things larger than the Omniumverse itself. Some examples will be presented next and shown why they fail:

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   It is always possible to imagine something bigger than the Omniumverse, something encompassing it. That argument is self-defeating in itself. The key word "imagine" guarantee that that something bigger is just another Imaginata, part of the Imaginarium. Verbs like conceptualize, theorize, think, create, define, etc are all similar to imagine in that sense. They all describe an intellectual activity which guarantees that their result is part of the Imaginarium. All other such similar arguments are the same: something larger is either real and part of the Realium or not strictly real and part of the Imaginarium.

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   Nothingness, non-existence, that which does not exist either in reality or imagination. Well, if it doesn't exist it is not real and is, by definition, part of the Imaginarium.

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   Even if one imagines something that is neither real and not real or something that is both at the same time, something that transcends definition, something that cannot be named, something that transcends transcendence, something that is larger than itself or whatever words one wants to use. Things that paradoxical in nature and even not paradoxical at the same time. All those things are part of the Imaginarium for, even if they cannot be directly imagined, they are still fantasies being referenced indirectly by the use of imagination.

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   One could also point out to all those things that are impossible to imagine by anyone in any way. Those things can either be real or not real. If they are real, which is doubtful, they are part of the Realium. If they are not real, even if not imaginable, they are still part of the Imaginarium for not being real. And even that which cannot be imagined is, through that title, being referenced indirectly by the use of imagination. Therefore they are always part of the Imaginarium anyway.

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