Xuhui PCC 2023 Community Salon

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为充分发挥政协独特优势，凝聚起共同推动区域科创能力提升的强大合力，7月14日下午，区政协举办第三期“委员沙龙”，以“科创大家谈——抢占新赛道，发挥人工智能产业集群优势”为主题，共话人工智能产业发展。区委副书记、区长钟晓咏，市政协常委、学习和文史委员会主任、中共界别召集人姜迅，区政协党组书记、主席黄冲，全国政协委员、市经济和信息化委员会副主任张英出席活动并讲话。
To fully leverage the unique advantages of the Political Consultative Conference and consolidate a strong collective effort to promote the enhancement of regional scientific and technological innovation capabilities, on the afternoon of July 14th, the District Political Consultative Conference held the third session of the "Committee Salon" with the theme "Discussing Scientific and Technological Innovation - Seizing New Opportunities and Harnessing the Advantages of the Artificial Intelligence Industry Cluster," aiming to discuss the development of the artificial intelligence industry. Clockwise, Deputy Secretary of the District Committee and District Mayor Zhong Xiaoyong, Member of the Municipal Political Consultative Conference, Director of the Learning, History, and Literature Committee, and Convener of the CPC Faction Jiang Xun, Party Secretary and Chairman of the District Political Consultative Conference Huang Chong, National Political Consultative Conference Member and Deputy Director of the Municipal Economic and Information Committee Zhang Ying attended the event and delivered speeches.

复旦大学计算机学院教授、博士生导师、国家级领军人才黄萱菁，上海交通大学计算机系特聘教授，思必驰公司创始人、首席科学家俞凯，上海人工智能实验室青年科学家陆超超应邀参加活动并作主题交流。区政协科技界别部分委员、相关科创企业代表等参加并作交流。
Professor at Fudan University's School of Computer Science, Doctoral Supervisor, and National-Level Leading Talent Huang Xuanjing, Distinguished Professor at Shanghai Jiao Tong University's Department of Computer Science, Founder and Chief Scientist of Sibichi Corporation Yu Kai, and Young Scientist at the Shanghai Artificial Intelligence Laboratory, Lu Chaochao, were invited to participate in the event and engage in thematic discussions. Members of the District Political Consultative Conference from the technology sector and representatives from relevant scientific and technological innovation enterprises also attended and exchanged ideas.

钟晓咏对与会人员提出的专业见解给予充分肯定。他指出，大家的发言方向准、内容实、见地深，对于徐汇区下一步推动人工智能产业发展具有切实可行的借鉴价值。他强调，徐汇是上海首个人工智能发展集聚区，要在这一波大模型技术浪潮中抢占先机、竞速抢跑，打造生成式人工智能高地，代表上海和国家赢取科技战略竞争主动权。希望广大政协委员持续关注人工智能产业发展，尤其希望委员们借助自身行业影响力，吸引大模型平台企业以及游戏、医疗、金融、电商等领域的垂类企业入驻徐汇，为集聚优质企业机构、打造有机循环的人工智能产业发展生态、助力建设具有国际影响力的人工智能“徐汇高地”做出政协委员的新贡献。
Zhong Xiaoyong expressed full appreciation for the professional insights put forth by the participants. He emphasized that everyone's speeches were precise, substantial, and insightful, providing practical reference value for Xuhui District's future efforts to promote the development of the artificial intelligence industry. He stressed that Xuhui is the first artificial intelligence development cluster in Shanghai, and it should seize the initiative in this wave of large-scale model technology, race ahead, create a generative artificial intelligence hub, and represent Shanghai and the nation in winning the initiative in technological strategic competition. He hopes that the members of the Political Consultative Conference will continue to pay attention to the development of the artificial intelligence industry. He especially hopes that the members will use their industry influence to attract large-scale model platform companies as well as vertical industry enterprises in fields such as gaming, healthcare, finance, and e-commerce to settle in Xuhui. This will contribute to the aggregation of high-quality business organizations, the development of an organic cycle in the artificial intelligence industry, and the construction of an internationally influential "Xuhui Hub" for artificial intelligence, making new contributions as members of the Political Consultative Conference.

黄冲对与会领导、嘉宾和委员支持政协工作表示衷心感谢。希望大家继续专注主责主业，深耕科创领域，持续为提升徐汇区域科创策源能力作出新的贡献。区政协也将进一步深化品牌建设，按照区委、区政府的工作要求和总体部署，紧扣区域经济发展形势和行业发展变化，通过“小沙龙”搭建“大平台”，夯实委员履职阵地建设，持续点燃委员履职兴奋点，充分发挥委员在特定领域的智力和专业优势，为推动党委政府相关工作提供政协力量。
Huang Chong expressed sincere gratitude to the leaders, guests, and members who supported the work of the Political Consultative Conference. He hopes that everyone will continue to focus on their main responsibilities and deeply cultivate the field of scientific and technological innovation, making new contributions to enhancing Xuhui's regional scientific and technological innovation capabilities. The District Political Consultative Conference will also further strengthen its brand building, in accordance with the work requirements and overall deployment of the District Committee and District Government. It will closely follow the development trends of the regional economy and industry, build a "big platform" through "small salons," consolidate the construction of members' functional positions, continue to ignite the enthusiasm of members in fulfilling their roles, and fully leverage members' intellectual and professional advantages in specific fields to provide support to the Party Committee and Government in their relevant work.

姜迅表示，上海是我国人工智能产业创新发展的高地，在技术创新、产业集聚、行业赋能、先导区建设等方面都取得了明显的成效，但新形势下，一些关键问题亟需“破题”。区政协“委员沙龙”就是“破题”的好平台，通过邀请政府部门与行业专家、科技界委员、科创企业代表面对面交流互鉴，进一步凝聚了共识，整合了资源，深化了合作，携手为推动人工智能产业更好发展作出积极贡献。
Jiang Xun stated that Shanghai is a stronghold for the innovative development of China's artificial intelligence industry. It has achieved significant results in areas such as technological innovation, industry clustering, industry empowerment, and pilot zone construction. However, in the face of new circumstances, there are pressing "puzzles" that need to be solved. The District Political Consultative Conference's "Committee Salon" serves as an excellent platform for solving these puzzles. By inviting government departments to engage in face-to-face exchanges and mutual learning with industry experts, members of the scientific and technological community, and representatives of scientific and technological innovation enterprises, it further consolidates consensus, integrates resources, deepens cooperation, and actively contributes to the advancement of the artificial intelligence industry.

张英说，当前全球人工智能技术正在加速演进，新一轮科技革命和产业变革正在重塑世界经济、影响着未来生活。特别是以大模型、生成式人工智能为代表的前瞻技术，为人类开启了走向通用人工智能的重要技术路径。徐汇在人工智能领域提前布局、人才济济，优势突出，也期待徐汇在推动人工智能产业发展上实现新的突破。
Zhang Ying mentioned that currently, global artificial intelligence technology is evolving rapidly, and a new round of technological revolution and industrial transformation is reshaping the world economy and influencing future lifestyles. In particular, forward-looking technologies represented by large-scale models and generative artificial intelligence have opened up an important technological path towards achieving general artificial intelligence for humanity. Xuhui has proactively positioned itself in the field of artificial intelligence, with a wealth of talent and outstanding advantages. It is also expected that Xuhui will achieve new breakthroughs in promoting the development of the artificial intelligence industry.

作为本次活动的承办方，区政协委员、上海复深蓝软件股份有限公司董事长兼总经理杨万强主持活动，并介绍公司发展情况。复深蓝创立于2004年，秉持“复蓝创造软件，软件通向未来”理念，立足于上海及长三角作为国际金融中心、国际保险中心、现代制造业中心的区位优势，依托人工智能、大数据、云计算等先进技术,为保险、银行等大型金融机构及零售/电商等多个行业大型企业提供软件综合解决方案、产品及服务。
As the organizer of this event, Yang Wanqiang, a member of the District Political Consultative Conference and Chairman and General Manager of Shanghai Fushenlan Software Co., Ltd., presided over the event and introduced the company's development. Fushenlan was founded in 2004 and adheres to the philosophy of "Fushenlan creates software, software leads to the future." It is based in Shanghai and the Yangtze River Delta, leveraging its advantageous location as an international financial center, international insurance center, and modern manufacturing center. The company relies on advanced technologies such as artificial intelligence, big data, and cloud computing to provide comprehensive software solutions, products, and services to large financial institutions, banks, as well as retail/e-commerce and other industries.

现场讨论热烈，与会嘉宾和企业家委员们畅谈人工智能发展趋势和机遇挑战，为徐汇抢抓人工智能新赛道建言献策。
The on-site discussion was lively, with guest participants and entrepreneur members discussing the trends and challenges of artificial intelligence development, providing valuable advice for Xuhui to seize the new track of artificial intelligence.

黄萱菁介绍了大模型从基座训练、指令微调到与人类对齐的训练过程，解释了为何训练大模型需要庞大参数规模、海量数据资源以及高性能的GPU、网络带宽，分享了复旦大学研发MOSS模型的经历。同时指出ChatGPT模型在能力方面存在一些局限，如对中文处理能力较为一般，生成内容存在幻觉等问题。未来学术界和工业界需进一步合作，以便进一步提升大模型的能力，并拓宽其应用场景。
Huang Xuanjing explained the training process of large models, from base training to fine-tuning with instructions to aligning with human understanding. She clarified why training large models requires extensive parameter scales, massive data resources, and high-performance GPUs and network bandwidth. She also shared the experience of developing the MOSS model at Fudan University. At the same time, she pointed out some limitations in ChatGPT's capabilities, such as its relatively average performance in handling Chinese language and issues related to generating content with hallucinations. She emphasized the need for further collaboration between academia and industry to enhance the capabilities of large models and expand their application scenarios in the future.

俞凯认为，通用AI大模型的预训练基座模型的趋势是由国家力量完成，成为公共基础设施；国产化芯片需要构建软件使用生态，补贴应以终为始，补贴最终应用端。建议布局整体算力网络规划，策划自贸区算力中心、东数西算整体使用入口等实现资源高效利用；重视对跨媒体语言计算的投入，加强通用人工智能研发和应用推进，建设国产芯片的软件生态；重视对动态用户数据的管理和利用。
Yu Kai believes that the trend of pre-trained base models for general AI large models should be led by national efforts and become public infrastructure. Localization of chips requires the establishment of a software usage ecosystem, with subsidies starting from the end and targeting the final application side. He suggests planning an overall computing power network, designing computing power centers in free trade zones, and creating comprehensive access points for efficient resource utilization. Emphasis should be placed on investments in cross-media language computing, strengthening the development and application of general artificial intelligence, and building a software ecosystem for domestically produced chips. Attention should also be given to the management and utilization of dynamic user data.

陆超超重点介绍了上海人工智能实验室在开展战略性、原创性、前瞻性的科学研究与技术攻关，以及突破人工智能的重要基础理论和关键核心技术的有关情况。
Lu Chaochao provided a detailed overview of the strategic, original, and forward-looking scientific research and technical challenges conducted at the Shanghai Artificial Intelligence Laboratory. He also discussed breakthroughs in fundamental theories and key core technologies in the field of artificial intelligence.

孙元浩建议，在国产GPU达到可用度之前，可设置一个时间窗口，允许企业能够采购美国的高端GPGPU，不受信创目录的限制。同时要大力推动国产GPU的发展，尽量缩短时间窗口。
Sun Yuanhao suggested that before domestically produced GPUs become widely available, a time window could be established to allow companies to purchase high-end GPGPUs from the United States without being restricted by the export control list. At the same time, efforts should be made to vigorously promote the development of domestically produced GPUs and shorten the time window as much as possible.

吴新野建议，可建立发布、更新维护市级和区级AI产业图谱，引导产业企业协同发展或有序竞争；大力推动行业大模型场景应用落地；政府直接补贴或投资建设算力资源、或统筹民间算力资源，提升对中小型AI创新企业算力服务和数据要素的资源供给。
Wu Xinye suggested establishing and regularly updating municipal and district-level AI industry maps to guide coordinated development or organized competition among industry enterprises. He also recommended vigorously promoting the application of industry-scale models in practical scenarios and proposed that the government should provide direct subsidies or invest in computing resources. Alternatively, it could coordinate private computing resources to enhance the resource supply for small and medium-sized AI innovation enterprises in terms of computing services and data elements.

殷春波认为，游戏科技已成为人工智能创新发展的重要驱动力，游戏所提供的技术支撑和应用场景对未来人工智能技术探索和突破愈发重要，应推动游戏科技在人工智能产业的深度应用。
Yin Chunbo believes that gaming technology has become a significant driver of innovation and development in artificial intelligence. The technical support and application scenarios provided by games are increasingly crucial for exploring and advancing future artificial intelligence technologies. He emphasized the need to promote the deep application of gaming technology in the artificial intelligence industry.

孙彬建议，应倡导企业保持自身赛道专注度以避免无效多元化；针对广泛的模型学习和中小企业使用者群体应增加算力GPU供给；应建立联合协会形成互补的产品链路和生意闭环；对于AI公司应提供人才落户政策倾斜。
Sun Bin suggested advocating for companies to maintain focus on their own track to avoid ineffective diversification. He recommended increasing GPU computing power supply for a wide range of model learning and small and medium-sized enterprise users. Additionally, he proposed establishing joint associations to form complementary product chains and business cycles and providing talent settlement policies favoring AI companies.

张炯认为，人工智能是工具，具有广泛的辅助工作能力和高效的执行能力，但不具备判断是非对错的能力。在生成式人工智能大发展的今天，更需要判别式人工智能和生成式人工智能的结合应用。
Zhang Jiong believes that artificial intelligence is a tool with broad assistance and efficient execution capabilities but lacks the ability to make judgments about right and wrong. In the context of the rapid development of generative artificial intelligence, he emphasized the importance of combining discriminative and generative artificial intelligence in applications.

翁国雷介绍了徐汇资本通过“基金+直投”等方式，以及针对区内数字经济、生命健康等重点科技创新领域进行投资布局的举措。
Weng Guolei introduced the investment initiatives undertaken by Xuhui Capital, including "fund + direct investment" methods, and highlighted investments in key technology innovation areas within the district, such as digital economy and healthcare.

区政协党组成员、副主席施斌出席活动。区府办、区政协办、区科委、区政协教科卫体委相关负责人参加。
Shi Bin, a member of the Party Committee and Vice Chairman of the District Political Consultative Conference, attended the event. Representatives from the District Government Office, District Political Consultative Conference Office, District Science and Technology Commission, and District Political Consultative Conference Education, Science, Health, and Sports Committee also participated.