Giygas vs. Flowey

## Description

*EarthBound and Undertale's scary-as-all-hell final bosses whose true forms are incomprehensible to the human mind and could only be defeated by the literal power of friendship and kindness go head to head. Who will have a bad time?*

## Interlude

Hiro: Even after playing an entire game all the way through, you still may not be quite prepared for what kind of final battle lies ahead.

**MBStarscream: So you'd better make good use of those skills you learned, because these two eldritch horrors will test them like never before. And scare the bejesus out of you when you see 'em.**

Hiro: Giygas, the Universal Cosmic Destroyer from Mother.

**MBStarscream: And Flowey, the soulless but determined flower from Undertale.**

Hiro: I'm Hiro Hamada.

**MBStarscream: I'm MBStarscream.**

Hiro: And it's our job to examine both warriors' strength, abilities, weapons, and weaknesses to see who would win in a fight.

## Giygas

Hiro: In the 1900s, married couple Maria and George were abducted by an advanced alien species. While living with the aliens, George studied them and their strange powers, known as PSI, short for Psionics. It is unknown whether PSI was created or learned only by the race of aliens who abducted the married couple, but it was thanks to George that PSI came to Earth.

**MBStarscream: With the powers of PSI, Maria and George were able to return to Earth. Along with them came an infant alien, Giygas, that they had grown fond of while in captivity. They raised the alien as their son, and Giygas became especially close to Maria, who became his surrogate mother.**

Hiro: When he came of age, Giygas was given a task by his people. They felt that George learning about the powers of PSI constituted a betrayal and a theft, so they'd use Giygas as a pawn against them. His task was simple: conduct an invasion of Earth and take back the powers of PSI.

**MBStarscream: Giygas spent the years becoming stronger in preparation for his conquest. He was supposed to wait 100 years to attack Earth, but a powerful device known as the Apple of Enlightenment showed Giygas his eventual defeat at the hands of a psychic boy named Ness, so he made his invasion 20 years early to stop that from happening.**

Hiro: However, Maria and George's great-grandson Ninten fought back against Giygas and his invading force. Though the fight against Giygas was initially hopeless, he was forced to surrender when Ninten and his friends sang the Eight Melodies, a lullaby from his childhood. He called off the invasion and left Earth, swearing to return another day.

**MBStarscream: Ten years later, Giygas succesfully conquered the world and sent his forces into the past to prevent his victory from being undone. Buzz Buzz, a beetle-like insect from the future, returned to the past to warn Ness of the alien threat, while Giygas turned Ness' neighbor, Porky Pi--, I mean Minch, into his pawn.**

Hiro: Porky sealed his new master inside the Devil's Machine, a gigantic, fleshy device located within The Cave of the Past, so that his uncontrollable power could be directed. However, the machine did not heal his fractured mind, which is now driven by hatred, vengeance, and an obsession with Ness. With Porky now in control of Giygas' power, the entire universe is under threat of obliteration.

**MBStarscream: When Ness, Paula, Jeff and... Poo... took the fight to Giygas and Porky, the latter released the former by turning off the Devil's Machine like an idiot, and all hell broke loose. Quite literally, you could say, cuz look at this!**

*Giygas' horrifying visage is shown.*

**MBStarscream: Actually, don't look at it.**

Hiro: Like before, the only thing that worked against this adversary was prayer. Paula's prayers calmed Giygas, evoking human emotions within him and eventually causing him to collapse in on himself. However, Porky was able to absorb some of his magnificent power, and with it, he utilized time travel to the extent that he became immortal and spent his life toying with different people's lives.

**MBStarscream: But Giygas was quite a threat before he was destroyed for good. His PSI powers were far greater than any human wielder, being implied to dwarf even his own kind.**

Hiro: The PSI techniques in Giygas' arsenal include a powerful psychokinetic wave that damages all enemies and a glorious flash of light that has various effects. At the Omega level, it has a 37.5% chance to cause enemies to cry uncontrollably, a 12.5% chance to paralyze, a 12.5% chance to make enemies feel strange, and a 37.5% chance to cause instant death. Giygas can also strike with a blast of cold energy that affects the entire party, and two bolts of thunder that strike random targets.

**MBStarscream: After his physical body was destroyed, Giygas is now virtually all-powerful, enough to transcend time and space and destroy the universe, with total control over darkness and evil. His influence corrupts people and warps things, and he commands monsters such as the cybernetic Starmen aliens.**

Hiro: Giygas can completely erase calls for help, and in a future timeline where he was not stopped, he consumed everything into darkness. Giygas' unrestricted form was a void as large as the universe, meaning his presence was everywhere, and he is described as the embodiment of evil itself that destroyed his body and mind. His true form is inconceivable for a human mind, should it wield the Power of the Earth, and his very existence is beyond rationalization.

**MBStarscream: Even the nature of his attacks cannot be grasped by the human mind, as they are random and unintelligble. No attack can harm him, not even attacks from the likes of Ninten and Ness, and no weapon could stop him until praying came into the equation.**

Hiro: Giygas has overwhelmed Ninten, Ness and their parties, conquered the world ten years into the future, brainwashed Porky Minch into serving him, spread his influence through time and all over Earth, and came dangerously close to wiping out the universe itself. But all of this overwhelming power has its drawbacks.

**MBStarscream: Giygas became so powerful that his power literally destroyed his entire being, reducing him to the horrifying abomination we all know now. He needs the Devil's Machine so he can retain his mind, because without it, he returns to a chaotic mass of raw power. He's so powerful now that he can't maintain sanity or solid form without it.**

Hiro: And while he is immune to physical attacks, enough prayer will eradicate him from existence, which spelt his ultimate defeat at the hands of Ness and his friends. Moves like PSI Brainshock can also affect Giygas, making him feel strange and even attacking himself.

**MBStarscream: But I would keep this thing inside a machine if I were you. You'll do all of existence a big favor if you keep Giygas sealed, because when he escapes, all will fall before the Universal Cosmic Destroyer. Unless a bunch of kids step in.**

*Giygas: Ness, Ness, Ness, Ness, Ness, Ness, Ness, Ness, Ness, Ness, Ness, Ness, Ness, Ness, Ness, Ness, Ness, Ness, Ness, Ness...*

## Flowey

Hiro: Asriel Dreemur was the biological child of Asgore and Toriel, the king and queen of the Underground, a world under the Earth's surface, where monsters were banished to after losing a war against humanity. One day, a human child named Chara fell into the Underground. Asriel found the child, and brought them back to his home.

**MBStarscream: Asgore and Toriel decided that since they couldn't bring Chara back to the surface, they would raise them like they were their own offspring. However, Chara turned out to have a hatred for humanity, and convinced Asriel to help them free monsters by taking six souls from the humans. This plan involved Chara poisoning themself, dying, and letting Asriel absorb their soul.**

Hiro: This gave Asriel the power to pass through but not break the barrier and bring Chara's body back to their village, getting him brutally beaten by the townspeople, who believed he killed Chara. When he got home, Asriel died from his wounds, sending Asgore into a rage. But Asriel was not gone forever; as part of Dr. Alphys' experiments with the souls of monsters, his essence was injected into a flower, and he became... Flowey.

**MBStarscream: Wow, a flower named Flowey. Who would've guessed?**

Hiro: Unfortunately, without his soul, Flowey was unable to feel compassion. He found that, through the power of determination, he could will himself back to a set point in time even after he died. Afraid of his own mortality, he rewound time over and over again, growing more and more hateful, unable to feel goodness in his heart.

**MBStarscreeam: Despite lacking a soul, the source of Flowey's abilities is determination. The user is empowered by the feeling of determination, allowing it to strengthen their capabilities and use certain new powers. In Flowey's case, being infused with determination turned him from a regular flower where the dust of Asriel fell into what he is now, although, notably, it's likely that Asriel's "essence" lived in that flower.**

Hiro: When particularly determined, Flowey can "save" the current moment in time, filling a file inside the game with information about their current process, LV, etc. This file may or may not a physical object that exists somewhere, as Flowey was able to destroy Frisk's while potentially outside any physical land in the Underground, breaking the fourth wall and being outside the places one should "normally" visit in the game.

**MBStarscream: Flowey can also turn back to the last save made by loading, even after dying. Another user of determination, Frisk, often dies by having their soul shattered into pieces, and can still load after it. Flowey can even turn back time to the beginning of the game itself by reseting, possibly even going back *before* it, when he first woke up as a flower or when he discovered his ability to save and loud. True Reset is mostly the same, but overpowering certain characters' ability to remember events after being reset.**

Hiro: Flowey can summon small white dots deceptively dubbed "friendliness pellets" to strike the player's soul, or even an entire pellet circle around the player's SOUL to prevent them from escaping and then unleash a one hit kill. He would have killed Frisk at the beginning of the game this way had Toriel not intervened, and outright killed Asgore with it during the penultimate boss battle when he was weakened.

**MBStarscream: Being a sentient flower, Flowey can naturally dig and travel underground with ease, or summon vines to attack victims, strong enough to kill weakened boss monsters. Flowey is also a master manipulator, knowing what each member of the Underground will do and not do based on past experience.**

Hiro: But if he really wants to cut loose, Flowey can absorb all seven human souls to transform from a simple to a horrific biomechanical plant monstrosity: Photoshop Flowey.

**MBStarscream: God, it even looks like something you'd make in Photoshop! No seriously, it actually does.**

Hiro: In this form, Flowey becomes so powerful that he completely messed around with reality, created and destroyed timelines, and more. He gains the ability to fire a multitude of projectiles, like nuclear bombs, flies, fingers, gun shots, etc, and can create short-range flamethrowers or shoot a big blue beam from his other mouth.

**MBStarscream: Flowey has stated himself to be much stronger than Chara in his Photoshop form, a being with the power to destroy all of reality and was successfully able to destroy the game itself. Frisk's attacks do practically nothing to him, even though he had astronomically high levels of determination, and practically possesses complete control of the game, manipulating the opening sequence to where not only did it include a different monster in place of a goat-like one, but it also had the monsters and humans disappear without a trace. He even created a save of his own, "Floweytale", with his LV set at 9999. That stands for "Level of Violence", by the way.**

Hiro: Flowey has performed impressive feats such as killing a weakened Asgore in the Pacific route, nearly killing Frisk in their first encounter, tricking Papyrus into bringing every important character to Asgore's throne room so he could absorb their souls, and killed mostly everyone in the Underground. However, Flowey is still quite flawed despite his great power.

**MBStarscream: Flowey likes to torment and sadistically play with his opponents, as seen in his fight against Frisk, where he could´ve just killed them right here and then, and he doesn't often put himself in a life-threatening situation, which is shown when in the Pacifist Route, he killed Asgore after Frisk had already weakened him after a long battle, stating he has tried to kill him before, but to no avail. In the Genocide Route, he does the same, only this time, he kills Asgore in order to appease Chara in a final attempt to beg the latter to spare him.**

Hiro: A being with greater determination can steal the reset ability from Flowey, and a determined enough person call out to Photoshop Flowey's captured souls and turn them against him, weakening him drastically. And because he has no soul, Flowey doesn´t become a ghost or move onto the afterlife upon death, essentially ceasing to exist entirely.

**MBStarscream: Lacking a soul also makes him unable to feel any semblance of love, hope or compassion. But in Flowey's world, it's kill or be killed, and he will be more than eager to share his philosophy with you if you dare to cross him.**

*Flowey reveals himself in his monstrous Photoshop form, and erupts into a fit of deep, echoing and distorted laughter.*

## Fatal Fiction

*Mario flips a coin.*

Hiro: Well, Flowey has the territory advantage in this battle, but does this flower stand a chance agains the Universal Cosmic Destroyer?

**MBStarscream: Goodbye, universe.**

*Underground*

Deep underneath the Earth was a field of lovely yellow flowers. They blew softly in the wind, until one of them suddenly opened a pair of curious eyes before popping out of the ground. The flower looked around it with a cheerful smile while the other flowers simply lay still. Then, disturbingly, the flower looked right at you and said, "Oh, howdy! I'm **Flowey!** Flowey the flower! Didn't see you there! Wanna be my new **best friend?**"

For a brief moment, Flowey's face and voice turned almost demonic as the area seemed to glitch out. Then as if nothing had happened, Flowey's visage became normal again as he laughed cheerfully. "Hee hee hee! Sorry about that! I'm just so excited to **kill you**-- meet a new friend! We're gonna have so much fun!"

Then something else happened. Something far beyond Flowey's comprehension.

Everything around him went black. As in, all he could see beyond was pure darkness. He could still the surface of a "ground", but otherwise, it was as though he was suddenly in a void that had no beginning or end. "Uh... What's happening?"

He then saw something else... and immediately wished he never saw it.

Everywhere he looked, *it* was there, looking back at him. A swirling red blur, twisted and screaming. Flowey's mind couldn't comprehend what his eyes were seeing. What he was looking at was evil itself in its purest form, consuming him, consuming all, never ending.

This thing, utterly incomprehensible and incoherent, was **Giygas**, the Universal Cosmic Destroyer. A voice, pained and broken, echoed through the void. Flowey heard two words inside his head, speaking so loudly that it seemed like Giygas' voice was coming from all around him.

"It hurts..."

Flowey had never been so utterly terrified before. He had never known true fear until now. This was beyond that; pure primal terror clouded his fragile, childlike mind, gripping every atom in him with its claws. Despite the overwhelming horror, Flowey tried his best to speak up, weakly stammering, "W-W-Well, sir, m-m-maybe some F-Friendliness Pellets will cheer you up! Friendship always cheers me up!"

"Frien...?"

God, Flowey wanted that voice out of his head. He wanted his mom and dad, he wanted to be free of all this. But he still tried to keep his friendly façade up the best he could. "Y-Yeah! Come on now! F-Follow the Friendliness Pellets!"

The sooner he had killed this thing, the better.

**FIGHT!**

Flowey summoned some white bullets that floated around him. Then, losing all control, he stammered out a terrified scream of "D-DIE!!!!!" as the bullets flew at Giygas. He launched bullet after bullet after bullet at Giygas, hoping, praying, that he'd go away, that everything would go back to normal.

Instead, Giygas spoke once more, only mildly damaged at best. "Not... *friend...*"

Flowey could distinctly make out anger in Giygas' tone, and his fear only skyrocketed further. Before he could do or say anthing else, Giygas unleashed his own attack on the flower. A wave of psychokinesis slammed into Flowey, an attack that the flower's mind tried so desparately to grasp. Pain erupted in his little body, and he collapsed, not makinga sound. Giygas continued to swirl around him, the red faces watching him from everywhere even through their screams. Then, six multi-colored hearts appeared around Flowey and floated around him before the flower lifted his head with an evil, demonic smile.

"**My turn...**" He said.

Flowey absorbed the hearts into himself and seemingly disappeared. After a moment of silence, Flowey reappeared before Giygas, in an entirely new form.

He was now a grotesque, flower-shaped hybrid of plant tissue, human organs, and machinery. He had two sideways jaws, with tiny lumps on the end, and had two orifices that resembled nostrils, as well as an eye on each side with moving and pulsating irises, located within hollowed mouths. On top of his "face", he had a box TV that showed a smiling face with huge teeth and sideways eyes flashing red and green. He also had metal, bumpy pipes that resembled petals and connected to the television and the jaws of his "face". These jaws had floating eyes with moving and pulsating irises. He had many tubes that exitted behind his monstrous form, and big, thick vines that moved away from him. He also had cactus-like arms with red claws and dangling vines with leaves on them.

Everything then trembled as Flowey, in his Photoshop form, let out an absolutely horrifying series of psychotic laughter. "You may have had me there, partner, but soon you'll be begging for mercy! Because you're NOT to get any!" He gloated.

The fight was really on now.

Giygas attacked again with another psychokinetic wave, and Flowey retaliated by firing a barrage of X-shaped bullets at him. Flowey then made it rain nuclear bombs, engulfing Giygas with explosions. Giygas unleashed a flash of light, and the face on Flowey's TV screen suddenly started crying like a baby... before switching to an evil chuckle just as quickly. "You idiot!" He said before shooting a blue beam from his mouth at Giygas.

Flowey tried to attack Giygas with vines and Venus flytraps, but Giygas managed to block them before attacking with two bolts of thunder. Flowey used his flamethrower to burn Giygas, but was suddenly frozen stiff by a blast of cold energy from the Universal Cosmic Destroyer. He tried to move, grumbling angrily as he struggled. Free to attack again, Giygas followed up with another psychokinetic move. Flowey regained his ability to move and immediately fired a massive storm of bullets at Giygas. Flowey then attacked with his vines, this time hitting his opponent, but not hurting him too much. Flowey then burned Giygas again with his flamethrower, and heard the being grunt in pain from within his head. "Argh!"

He hurt him. That meant he could die!

Flowey laughed maniacally. "Oh, what's the matter? Did that hurt?"

"It’s not right... not right... not right..."

"Well, in this world, it's kill or BE killed, whether you like it or not! No amount of pain will change the rules around here! So stop being a big baby, AND GET READY TO *DIE!!!*"

Flowey rained down a dozen nuclear bombs, not letting up until flames had completely surrounded the two god-like beings, to the point where for but a brief moment, the swirling mass that surrounded Flowey were obscured by the fire. Next, Flowey started a save file before attacking Giygas with vines, followed by reloading his file and attacking again with a flytrap. Flowey then repeatedly reloaded his file, attacking his foe in a different way each time, before finishing with another large energy beam.

Nothing happened for several seconds... and then Giygas spoke. "I feel... g... o... o... d..."

"What?! You shouldn't be feeling good! You should feel PAIN!"

Flowey angrily summoned a ring of bullets around Giygas that converged in on him, but Giygas managed to block the bullets. Then the TV on his face flashed with static, then showed Giygas' face as the flower grabbed his head in pain. "Get out of my head! GET OUT OF MY HEAD!" He screamed. Flowey desparately fired more bullets, hoping to remove Giygas' influence from his head, and before he knew it, the red screaming face on the TV screen was gone and replaced with his own. As Flowey tried to gain his bearings, Giygas froze him again and attacked with another flash of light. This time, Flowey started to feel numb and strange all over. He couldn't move, seemingly too tired to for some reason.

"Why do I feel so strange?" He said in confusion, his TV screen starting to flash with static again. Giygas continued to bombarb him with psychokinetic waves and flashes of light, each attack hurting so much and so hard for his mind to comprehend, so random. All he could feel was pain, and the face on his TV screen was crying again, this time with no signs of stopping. He tried so hard to fight back, but Giygas' attacks kept coming and were too much for him to take. "No, please! Stop! Please!" He begged.

"Flowey..."

His name. He said his *name.* He hadn't even seen him before, yet clear as day, he heard his own name spoken inside his head. The word started to repeat itself, over and over again. "Flowey, Flowey, Flowey, Flowey, Flowey, Flowey, Flowey, Flowey, Flowey, Flowey, Flowey, Flowey, Flowey, Flowey, Flowey, Flowey, Flowey, Flowey, Flowey, Flowey, Flowey, Flowey, Flowey, Flowey..."

"WHAT IS THIS?! WHAT ARE YOU?!" Flowey screamed. He couldn't take this anymore. Please stop. Leave me alone. "PLEASE! STOP!" He cried. He only heard his own name once more, the voice refusing to leave his mind. Over and over, Giygas spoke Flowey's name in his head, breaking him further, taunting him, messing with him.

"STOOOOOOOOOOP!!!!!"

Flowey went absolutely ballistic, spamming every single attack he knew. Nuclear bombs, vines, flytraps, bullets, and blue beams flew everywhere at everything. Giygas showed no reaction to it all, even obscured by flames, plants and projectiles that were being fired incoherently. Flowey tried to reload another save file, but to his horror, he saw an error on his reset screen. "What?! Why can't I reset?! This isn't fair!" He panicked.

"Flowey..."

"OH, SHUT UP ALREADY!"

Flowey fired his beam one more time, but Giygas seemingly fired a beam of his own out of his face. The two beams hit each other head-on as the gods pushed with everything they had. Well, one of them, at least. Flowey was putting his all into his attack, but this didn't seem to matter, as his own beam seemed unable to push Giygas' back toward him. Flowey fired more bullets at Giygas to try and weaken him, but nothing happened.

Then Giygas' beam hit Flowey head-on, piercing through his open maw. Flowey's dying screams were cut off by the ensuing explosion of energy, the six hearts breaking in two from within him before his body was utterly destroyed. The broken hearts disappeared, and no trace of Flowey was left. Giygas had won.

And soon, the whole universe would join Flowey in the darkness.

"G... a... m... e... o... v... e... r..."

**FATALITY!**

## Results

**MBStarscream: Okay, that was horrifying.**

Hiro: There's no beating around the bush here: Giygas was simply *too* powerful for Flowey to overcome.

**MBStarscream: Flowey may have had abilities like saving, loading and resetting, but those wouldn't have helped him out much. No attack in his arsenal could kill Giygas, as the latter is literally conceptual, making him immune to any physical attack while Flowey himself could still be harmed and even killed with enough damage. Literally the only thing that can even harm Giygas is prayer, something that Flowey not only had no access to, but probably wouldn't even *want* to do, knowing him.**

Hiro: Giygas also took every physical stat in spades, even when Photoshop Flowey came in. Photoshop Flowey was no slouch; he was powerful enough to effortlessly destroy whole timelines and survive the destruction of reality itself, but Giygas... was simply on another level.

**MBStarscream: Giygas has taken far stronger attacks than Flowey has, even when his defenses were destablized by the first prayer, and had become the true concept of evil itself across all timelines, becoming far more powerful than Post-Magicant Ness. While Pre-Magicant Ness is plenty tough, after absorbing his own Magicant, which is implied to contain a mere fraction of the Truth of the Universe, he became one with space-time, which is a multiversal structure due to it being big enough to contain all the possible Magicants, that are universal space-time continuums, each one being born from the consciousness of a living person on Earth. And Giygas was *stronger* than that!**

Hiro: What Starscream is saying is that Giygas simply exists on a far greater level of sheer power than perhaps anybody in Undertale, even Asriel Dreemurr, who at his highest is able to end the Undertale timeline itself. Impressive, but not "literally consuming all of existence" impressive.

**MBStarscream: What happens when you pit a being that can be hurt and killed against a being that cannot be harmed by anything except prayer? Well, I don't think it's too hard to figure the answer to that one. Looks like Flowey couldn't grasp the true form of Giygas' power.**

Hiro: Giygas wins.

## Advantages

### Giygas (Winner)

* Stronger
* Faster
* More durable
* Flowey had literally no means of harming or killing him for good
* Flowey couldn't even comprehend his attacks or his aspect
* Is simply stronger than anything in Flowey's world