Eternity-Section 2

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We returned to the hall again. and "The Blessed"  stood up.. its now his turn speak the opinion of religion on the matter ..

Everyone looked at the blessed .. He was smiling with a quiet smile as he stood in one of the corners of the hall .. he said:

I cannot speak of religion in the presence of giants such as "Al-Ghazali" and "Ibn Taymiyyah" .. They are more important than me to speak.

Adam said:
Certainly they are more capable than you .. But you have been chosen because you saw what they did not see and witnessed the development of science and technology .. You also heard what they did not hear from those who came after them .. You also memorize their words and follow the path of them and the other early scholars. Plus, despite being giant pillars in theology and religious lore, their role today was purely philosophical..

The Blessed said:
In that case I can talk .. I can say at the beginning that the best philosophical explanation that solved all the philosophical problems of the topic are the words of “Ibn Taymiyyah” .. But there is a simple problem .. We can discuss the possibility if creations are eternal or not and prove that they are not eternal..etc... All this is beautiful .. But we cannot speak of this wat on God .. Because eternity is the an expression of time .. eternity means an infinite time in the past .. And God is the Creator of time .. So how do we apply temporal laws on him WHILE he is the one who created time .. In other words, it is not correct to say that God is eternal ..

Because the word eternal will mean that the laws of time are applied to him .. God is greater than this. Nothing at all is similar to him in any side. We can not say anything about him except as he said about himself, and he said that he was the First .. and he is the Last..and the word "First" alone completely abolishes the concept of eternity ..

Then The Blessed looked at philosophers and said:
Perhaps Aristotle was right when he imagined that creations adore God .. We can imagine this when we read in the Qur’an: "And there, everything in heavens, earth,and in between them, glorifies his Praise"...But Aristotle mistook many things other than that, however, Muslim philosophers have solved his dilemma in a wonderful way.

Then The Blessed looked at the scientists and said:
As for the islamic vision of about the universe, and the structure of the universe, the fact that prophet Muhammad has informed us of a description of the universe that is quite similar to the image of the universe that you came up with after all these years .. It is a shame that Muslims in the modern scientific and industrial Renaissance did not pay attention to this even though it was clearly written in the Qur’an 1400 years ago!

Adam said to him:
This is a wide claim, sir. You must tell us the examples.

The Blessed said:
Then I will need a hologram to support me with pictures.

Adam said:
as you wish.

The Blessed said:
In order to understand the Quran’s viewpoint of the universe, we must understand its cosmological terminology .. I am not from those people who twist the arm of Quran terms to suit the discoveries of science .. Rather, this is a trend that I hate it and in fact i fight it .. I see that it embarrasses those who do it .. because they run to twist the terms of the Quran to conform to some scientific HYPOTHESIS About the universe .. and shout .. This is what the Quran said 1400 years ago .. Then when the scientific hypothesis is proven wrong and replaced by another hypothesis, I find them burying their heads in the dust .. Then they take it out afterwards to try to adapt and twist the words of the Quran to coincide with the new hypothesis and loop goes on.... And so .. These people speak in the name of Islam and the fact that they are more than harming the image of Islam ..their acts might even come with opposite results..the correct thing is that in order for us to understand the terms of the Quran, we must understand them in the language of the Arabs..whose land was where the Quran firstly descended .. and do not twist any term of language forcefully to suit anything modern.

The Blessed goes to the hologram, saying:

Just three terms, if you understand them, will make you fully understand the Quran’s description of the universe as it was revealed to Muhammad .. “Heaven” .. “Heavens” .. “Lower Heaven.”

"The blessed" raised his hand, looking at the ceiling, and the dome of the upper hall suddenly opened, and the sky appeared over us with its stars. the blessed said:

The sky word in the Arabic language means everything that rises above your head and your shadow .. a ceiling, an atmosphere, or a heavenly dome like the one that we see above us .. anything that is above you .. When the ceiling was closed above our heads a little while ago, it can be called sky Arabic language .. When the ceiling opened and appeared the heavenly dome.. In Arabic, its can be called sky too.

The Blessed said:
But the Quran featured three things all above us .. heaven .. the heavens .. the lowest heaven (any Heaven words in this discussion means sky...not the Heaven/Paradise that is opposite of Hell) ..

《NOTE:due to the speech of the blessed in this section being kinda complicated and can't be understood easily in English (as it contain a lpt of arabic words and contexts..etc) +some parts of its information are sort of inaccurate, I will just summarise it:

1. he talked about and explained the Arabic terms mentioned in the Quran that is related to sky and earth, supported with examples from verses.
2. he elaborated about the verses that talked about the creation of heavens and earth's and their content like creatures and celestial bodies such as stars and meteors..etc.for example when he said (another point about heavens and earth..there is a verse in the Quran that says:'And among His(God's) signs, is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and what He had dispersed from every living creatures in them both..' . so here God says he dispersed the creatures in heavens and earth..and definition of 'creature' is anything walks on land or in sea...but here the verse says 'in them BOTH'..meaning there are creatures in heavens too... you might think that those Creatures are the Angels, but no, in another verse he separated between "Creatures" and "Angels" ....)
3. took adam and the attendants in a virtual holographic tour to the sky.
4. showed them a holographic simulation of the making process of universe accordong to modern sciences to check if it agrees with what he explained.》

《then the discussion contninued as following》

"The Blessed" then said:
So,until now ,religion agrees with the science that the universe is not eternal and has a beginning and agrees with it in the way of this beginning .. But there is a simple problem that stops the current science before it .. How did the Big Bang begin? No one knows .. If someone said that this small starting point of everything came from null ... this would be against the rules of science itself..as there isnt any thing that comes out of nothing .. Religion solves this dilemma .. it says that it was God who created this small point and prepared the factors for its explosion ..

Here, a chair lit up with many successive lights .. A man of very special shape arose from it .. He was not sitting with the audience , but He was standing at the opposite of the blessed.. He was a man wearing black cloak and wearing the distinctive satirical anarchist mask .. The man started talking and said:

Excuse me, but this is always the way of the people of religion, and it provokes me .. You say, Blessed, that the science does not yet know what caused the Big Bang .. And therefore you say that God is the one who caused it .. You fill the loopholes with your God .. in every point Science didn't reach in any era.. You, people of religion, say it is like this because God made it like this .. If the science discovers the cause of the explosion and then stops unable to explain the stage before it, you will say .. because God created it like this ..you will stay ALWAYS like this, and if we believed you from the start we couldn't have learnt anything, and Science couldve never progressed nor discovered anything!

"The Blessed" was silent for a moment, then he said to him:

Sir, this is an old problem between the religion and the atheism, even though it is not a problem at all .. Atheists say that the religious make God the solution to the gaps that science did not reach so atheists say he is the god of the gaps .. And the religious replies that the atheists are the ones who put Science as a solution to the gaps when they face something The science is totally incapable of explaining they say that this has nothing to do with God but rather it is something that science has not reached to explain it yet ..so the religious say its the science of the gaps ...

The two teams fill the gaps with what is equivalent to their beliefs .. These people fill their gaps with God and these people fill their gaps with a future knowledge that they may reach some day.

Then the blessed continued :
Philosophically, there is no contradiction between the two .. Only philosophically we can say that God creates WITH science..God have the knowledge of everything..Human also has knowledge..but humans science and knowledge is a waterdrop in a sea compared to God’s knowledge.. so philosophically only if a person increases his knowledge until his knowledge becomes like a sea ... then he becomes a god .. In other words, also philosophically we say ... man does not know what is behind the Big Bang .. but God knows..and if a person increases his knowledge a little he will know ..

And if he increases more, he will know more and will see more and more .. until by default he reaches the knowledge of God .. but that will not happen, as God said : "but there is All-Knowing God above all those who are knowledgeable"

meaning that God is always knowing more than every science that anyone learns .. but there is a point there..we, as representants of religion, do not oppose that human knowledge can learn more and reach whatever he reached, in fact we encourage and order this ..

But there is a border God has set for the human knowledge..so basically, we encourage humans to discover more and more science, but every science they discover is still inside the borders God made for human knowledge.

God challenged all the people..by this part of verse in the Quran:"..O humankind, an example has been put, so listen to it carefully..Verily all those whom you call besides God , cannot create just a Fly...even if they all combined together for that purpose..."

The Blessed continued:
if we applied this verse on those who believe in (expermintal) science, and ONLY science
, we will deal with Science now as a "creature" being worshipped other than God by these people..and we will tell them that your science, whatever development it reached, will NEVER manage to create, by the literal meaning of creation =ref group="note"> create it totally, not bringing a sperm and ovum from male and female fly and then BOOM we have 'caterpillar/baby' fly</ref> ,to create a weak thing like
a Fly, even if world scientists gathered for it ..so we, as believers, DONT put God as solutions to the holes/gaps that Science cant explain, but we have borders, that we believe humans can do whatever they want from science and discoveries, but still they would not cross these borders.. what beyond these borders is from Knowledge of God.

one of these borders is like creating a Fly..this border is set by God since more than 1400 years ago. yet, this border still exists, and it will remain until the Day of Resurrection .. and the fact that we now already know is that the Fly is a very complex thing and its creation is a dream completely impossible for science.

Now, adam, you and I pointed by our hands, meaning that this session has ended .. Philosophy now agreed with both Science and religion that the universe has a beginning ..and even science agreed with religion in many points about HOW the universe began.. Thus the question was answered successfully.

then the guards came to us and took us to the door .. I enjoyed these discussions .. some of them were boring .. but of course the hologram gave an exciting touch to the discussion..

Come on, come to the Crawler.. .. I am tired from this world of thinking and I need to rest a little with Scorpion .. The Crawler carried us until it brought us to Harmony..the main hall...

## Extra Notes

1. ↑ the one who will represnt religion in the discussion
2. ↑  which are idols/worshipped statues, or any creature that is worshipped other than God
3. ↑ means that there is no problem to believe in science beside believing in god. as the blessed said: god creates with science. the problem is in believing in mere science only