Meta Utopia

I've also used the term "metatopia" instead somewhere previously.

The idea was like "one person's utopia is another person's dystopia" so, what if there were multiple different utopias to choose from? Fairly simplistic solution. Does it make any sense? Is it possible or practical at all? Is it safe?

## Different? Utopias? Like what?

different in what way? laws? economic systems? territory?

i guess to answer this, would kind of need to gather some examples of what different people think would be a nice utopia for them.

## Examples with a grain of meta utopia

There are some things which already exist which seem to have some implied features of mesa-utopias.

These range from universally accepted mundane everyday stuff (like group membership), up through things that are much more mixed, out there, or concerning.

* Various online communities and projects
* Dashcon, tumblrcon
* Various failed utopias and communes etc.
	+ Venus project lol
	+ Pruitt igloe?
	+ Seasteading
* co-housing
* restricted-access living places?
	+ we lock our doors
	+ hotels lock out people without a card [not just from rooms, but from hallways? back doors? i forget]
	+ student dormitories lock out people without a card or whatever
* Secularism, freedom of religion, separation of church and state, freedom of association and travel
	+ religious exemptions to state laws
* Literal cults
* Churches and old religions
* The vatican
* Calgary atheist/secular church
* Activism things
	+ Occupy wall street
	+ The Black Panther Party?
	+ Extinction rebellion?
	+ Leftist infighting
	+ Atheism plus
	+ Some BLM stuff?
	+ Seattle Liberation zone?
* Our “good enough to run” world is not good enough [see “issues to care about”]
	+ Education system is shit [grade school and universities]
	+ Old folks homes are shit
	+ Police system is shit
	+ Our “democracies” hardly give us a voice and are often run by ignorant buffoons
	+ The ”human-last” (and “help-last”) “user interfaces” of bureaucracies?
	+ The fucking housing crisis, landlords

* Permeate Calgary
* Rainforest Calgary etc.?
* That “constellation” or whatever method Mike said was the only idea we needed or whatever lol
* Co-housing projects
* Amazon?
* Wal Mart?
* Amish, hutterites
* “Indian” reserves
* people/groups creating their own currencies/economies
	+ Even here in Calgary!  “Calgary bucks” or whatever...
* Actual governments [they had to start somewhere]

Multi-culturalism is generally considered more desirable than a "melting pot".

here's some things that are hard to include these as "examples" because they seem pretty fake to me [or, what's it called? cargo cult? deepity?]:

* "decentralized autonomous organizations"
* "the metaverse"

## Concerns and difficulties

* sounds a lot like....segregation and stuff.
	+ [well, you're kind of supposed to be able to live wherever you want. but seems likely some people are gonna be like "can't we have some kind of requirements for membership?", hmm]
	+ [another difference with segregation: generally those situations involve one group being in power and the other group basically having no power? but presumably in a meta utopia, each utopia is of equal status to the others?]
	+ [whenever i think about this, i turn towards less and less territory. like, if deporting people from countries is bad, what about cities being full of multiple utopias side-by-side? well that sounds a lot like segregation, what about less defined divisions? kind of leads to just "virtual" membership.]
* one of those ...."utopias" is gonna be full of people who want to wipe out everyone else.
	+ [this is kind of just a sharp way to say something that is already true in both international foreign relations, and internal tensions that lead to civil wars. but presumably there's either powers over top of or between each utopia that prevents such conquest, as usual, like we already have.]
* one-way matching (when people X want to join people Y, but people Y don't want that)
	+ stalking and harassment
	+ boarder-crossing

## Why we have what we have

So why do people generally put up with ...not getting what they want?

* the whole point of secularism and democracy: history shows everything else leads to more violent persecution
* meritocracy: we're stronger together, so the current system just out-competes everything else, even with all the other nations available to choose from

but, of course, there's always room for growth and improvement on these. our democracies are incredibly low-bandwidth, and often significantly non-representative [see: advanced democracy], and true meritocracy requires such efficiency and perfection of everything that goes into judging, comparing, and choosing between options, at minimum.