XXL

***XXL*** is an American monthly hip hop magazine founded in 1997. American rapper Lupe Fiasco is part of their 2007 Freshman Class and was featured on the cover of their May 2011 issue. In the 2012 recap, *XXL* wrote, "One of the most successful *XXL* Freshmen of all time, Lupe has amassed two gold albums and two platinum singles. Fun fact: he is the only alum [of the 2007 class] to get a solo *XXL* cover." According to numbers as of 2022, they reported that, of the entire *XXL* Freshman Class, Fiasco has the most solo albums (with a total of eight).

In their 2015 list of Fiasco's "10 Deepest Records," they included "Little Weapon," "Conflict Diamonds," "Kick, Push II," "Ghetto Story (Steady Mobbin')," "Daydreamin'," "Dumb It Down," "The Cool," "Adoration of the Magi," "Mean & Vicious," and "Lamborghini Angels".

In the 2016 list for twenty best rap albums released in the "fourth quarter over the past" decade, they said of *The Cool*: "Rap messiahs are hit and miss, but Lupe Fiasco managed to live up to the hype that preceded his 2006 debut album, *Lupe Fiasco's Food & Liquor*, which wowed critics, but failed to move consumers, as far as album sales go. [...] *The Cool* would prove to be Lupe's gateway to mainstream success, pushing past the million copies sold mark and becoming his second consecutive album to be thrust into classic territory." This record was also added to their "50 Great Albums from Rappers with Poetic Flows," stating, "The metaphors, wordplay and lyrical prowess Lupe delivers proves he does it all while keeping the listeners' attention in the palm of his hands. The hour-long album is thought-provoking, creative and a testament to Lupe's worth as one of the most important MCs in hip-hop history." As part of the list "30 Albums That Will Make You Appreciate Hip-Hop," *Food & Liquor* was added. They said, "Led by the hit single, "Kick, Push," the album was one of the more anticipated albums of the year for rap diehards and the product did not disappoint, giving fans an array of subject matter and indelible moments." They concluded, "*Food & Liquor* is a modern day classic that continues to inspire until this day." The song "Mural" was added to "Best Hip-Hop Songs with No Hooks," and "Ghoti" was placed in "Best Hip-Hop Songs Under Two Minutes".

## May 2011 Cover Story

Back in 2009, when Lupe Fiasco was in the middle of recording his third album, at the Record Plant in Los Angeles, his label, Atlantic Records, froze his entire budget. Executives were unhappy with his version of "Nothin' on You," a no-brainer No. 1 smash the label had gift wrapped for Lupe, so they requested a meeting with him in New York.

The summit took place on a Sunday night at Chin Chins, the Midtown Manhattan Chinese restaurant favored by Mafia wannabes and expense-account-brandishing power brokers. Atlantic Records Chairman and CEO Craig Kallman and Chairwoman and COO Julie Greenwald joined Lupe, his assistant and a cell phone that was placed in the middle of the table. On speaker was Lupe's manager and business partner, Charles "Chilly" Patton, who is serving a 44-year prison sentence on drug charges.

Lupe set the tone by leaving on his coat. He also didn't order food. From there, it unraveled. According to Lupe, Kallman took a personal swipe. "We talked to the producers, and they said your verses were wack," Kallman said, as Lupe remembers it. "Yo, your verses were wack." (Label reps were unavailable for comment.)

This is the kind of criticism that can shatter a sensitive artist, and the 29-year-old rapper from Chicago says he later contemplated suicide. "It follows you everywhere," he tells of the depression that overtook him. "The way you rationalize things gets titled through that mentality." In the song "Beautiful Lasers," which would finally see the light of day early this year, Lupe mentions keeping a gun on his table. "That was literal. I own a ton of them."

The album, mostly complete, but without a release date set, languished. Months passed.

Things started to turn around for Lupe in late 2010, even as "Nothin' on You" slipped from his fingers and became the breakout hit for Atlantic rookie B.o.B. An online petition demanding the release of Lupe's album collected more than 33,000 signatures, and in October, fans organized a rally outside of Atlantic Records' New York offices. It was dubbed Fiasco Friday. The prospect of thousands of chanting, shouting Lupe loyalists helped convince the label to put more effort into working things out with its artist, and a solid release date was finally set. The album, *Lasers*, would come out March 8, 2011.

Not that everything was rainbows and unicorns. As recently as February 28, just a week before the album was due to hit stores, Lupe was venting to the press. "When I think about what it took to actually get the record together," he said to Complex.com, "and everything that I went through on this record—which is something I can't separate—I hate this album."

So it came as a major surprise to a lot of people when, come the week of March 8, *Lasers* arrived and sold more than 200,000 copies, far surpassing industry predictions, and debuting atop *Billboard*'s album charts. Lupe's reaction? Borderline apathy. "I wasn't completely overwhelmed, because now I have to go into the business meetings," he says. "Now I'm waiting for, 'If you didn't say you hated the album in that interview, we would have done 300,000.'"

Lupe sits in a photo studio on the west side of Chicago, just six blocks from his childhood home. Despite a quick touch-up, his hair is unruly, and his mustache is boyishly wispy. Still, on this afternoon, Lupe is stern, weary, cautious, a little paranoid and all about his business. The only gasp of humor in the room is his T- shirt, which quotes a line from the 1966 Paul Newman film *Harper*: "Only cream and bastards rise to the top."

Lupe's proud that he repaid *Lasers*' $700,000 budget. He then spouts numbers and calculates his earnings from preorders and sales of the first single, "The Show Goes On," a song that was the latest sticking point between him and Atlantic, following the "Nothin' on You" debacle. "For everything good there is something bad," he says about the impending meetings. "Yin and yang. There are always two forces operating at the same time. Cool, I'm happy, but I'm still mad at my record company." He flashes a mischievous smile. Lupe Fiasco isn't going to let a No. 1 album wrest control of his narrative.

In hip-hop's latest battle between art and commerce, consider this one a draw. *Lasers* garnered the highest-selling first-week numbers of Lupe's career, but it came with some pretty terrible reviews. ("Forgettable," said *The Washington Post*; "Chaotic, bored and unyieldingly abrasive," *Pitchfork*; "A compromise," *Los Angeles Times*. In all, *Lasers* scored a 57 out of 100 at the reviews-averaging site Metacritic.) Now, with this chapter of his career closing, Lupe Fiasco, one of the most talented, ambitious and polarizing artists in hip-hop, holds onto one goal: using his music to make the world a better place.

Growing up on Madison Street, on Chicago's west side, was tough for Lupe Fiasco, born Wasalu Muhammad Jaco. "There used to be drive-bys here," he says of the neighborhood outside the photography studio. "On the other side of Madison, you have Rockville Gardens, and that used to be the most terrible place on Earth." He remembers the June 1991 night when Michael Jordan's Chicago Bulls won their first NBA championship and rioters burned down a convenience store in Rockville Gardens.

As a child, Lupe was interested in martial arts, chess and guns. "When I was four years old, my father was teaching us how to shoot AK-47s and how to strip an M-16," he says. "When we were little kids, it was all about weapons. My father used to sell guns." Also an engineer and a martial-arts teacher, the senior Jaco, Gregory, died in February 2007 from diabetes.

Lupe got into hip-hop as a teenager, listening to Spice 1, 8 Ball & MJG, N.W.A and Nas, whose *It Was Written* was his favorite album. He joined the rap group Da Pak (not to be confused with the Bay Area quartet that spawned Lil B), which signed to Epic Records and disbanded after releasing their first single. He then linked with Arista Records as a solo artist, idling there until L.A. Reid's firing in 2004, and eventually landed at Atlantic Records.

Lupe made a buzz with a trio of mixtapes, the Fahrenheit 1/15 series. And his nifty cameo on Kanye West's 2005 single "Touch the Sky" paved the way for his critically acclaimed debut album, *Lupe Fiasco's Food and Liquor*, released in September 2006.

His next effort, *Lupe Fiasco's The Cool*, topped its predecessor in sales and scope. Its lead single, "Superstar," reached No. 10 on the *Billboard* Hot 100 chart, and the album sold more than 700,000 copies. Aside from "Superstar," however, *The Cool* was a heady, nonconformist album with songs touching on such heavy topics as child soldiers in Africa ("Little Weapon"), rape ("Intruder, Alert"), the apocalypse ("Streets on Fire") and his own artistic principals ("Dumb It Down").

Heading into his third album, Atlantic executives told him the company wanted to see "growth," which is a euphemism for "reaching a broader audience." "The hardcore Lupe fan [loves] 'Dumb It Down,'" says Darrale Jones, Atlantic VP of A&R. "But 'Superstar' was a smash. Any record company would see that and say, 'We need to be there.'"

According to Jones, the first incarnation of *Lasers* baffled the Atlantic brass present at its unveiling. "All the top executives were in that meeting," he says. "After the music stopped, it was kind of quiet. People looked around the room and were like, 'Okay, this is Lasers.' Lupe didn't feel the excitement he was looking for."

Lupe says he complied with his label after early buzz records "Shining Down" and "I'm Beaming" bombed at radio. "If you want me to do that, I'll do that," he says of making records aimed at the pop charts. "I'll make it cheaper. I'll make it conducive to all parties—publishing, royalties."

Business concerns, as opposed to matters of artistic integrity, are what made Lupe feel blasé about "Nothin' on You." The song was written and produced by The Smeezingtons, an outfit led by Atlantic's pop singer Bruno Mars. "I understand what you guys are doing with this stable of writers and producers that are specifically signed to the company," he says. "That smells fishy."

Lupe and Atlantic reached a compromise in October 2010, after, he says, he agreed to include "The Show Goes On" and "Never Forget You" on the album. "It was done at gunpoint," he says. Lupe says the label insisted on the former because producer Kane Beatz is signed to Artists Publishing Group, a music-publishing company that is a joint venture with Atlantic Records and is administered by Warner/Chappell publishing. "I work with Atlantic a lot and with a lot of artists they produce," says Kane Beatz. "You never know. It was a great record, and I think when it came, it definitely provided an opportunity for him to get his music out."

Lupe insists the song wasn't successful and has relentlessly bashed it in interviews. "'Superstar' charted way higher than 'Show Goes On,'" he says. "They still can't understand me. They still don't get it. They still don't understand that, even without a hit record, Lupe Fiasco will be just as relevant and just as successful as the dude with the hit record. They just don't get that."

*Lasers* experiments with European dance music, R&B and synth pop and incorporates gobs of strained choruses and radio-friendly production. It's a perplexing mishmash and sounds little like Lupe's first two albums. "It's Lupe's attempt at making a pop album," Lupe quips. He frequently slips into the third person. "I don't know how to make pop music, if you haven't noticed."

Still, over those garish beats, he raps about corporate monopoly ("State Run Radio"), a world without slavery ("All Black Everything") and his disgust with President Obama ("Words I Never Said"). "Make no mistake about it, this is a pop album," Darrale Jones says. "But it's Lupe's voice and message. That is really all he cares about, that Lasers didn't lose that message."

In this world of unrelenting sarcasm, snarky blogs and Internet "failz," Lupe's positive message—and that of "conscious rap" as a whole—might strike some people as a little corny. The zealousness of his petition-signing, street-protesting fan base tells a different story. "His message really changed my life," says Dan Winchester, a freelance TV producer from Milwaukee who organized Fiasco Friday in Chicago. "I saw that you can explore positivity in your life, instead of focusing on drugs, alcohol, gangs and all the other things that rappers talk about."

Hours after the photo shoot, Lupe is in his hotel room, preparing for a late-night flight. Junk food and clothes litter the space. There's a book on the night stand: *The Next American Revolution: Sustainable Activism in the Twenty-First Century*, by Grace Lee Boggs. It's like finding a copy of *High Times* on Wiz Khalifa's coffee table.

Lupe also organizes a book club via Twitter. This month's selection is *John Brown*, by W.E.B. DuBois.

"We live in a heartless, violent society," he says, packing clothes into a bag. "Somebody's got to give a fuck.

"I like being the rebel," he continues. "In this society, being the rebel is being the guy who gives a fuck. I try to make that shit so cool." He grabs a T-shirt emblazoned with a picture of philosopher and political activist Noam Chomsky. "To me, that's the coolest shit ever."

Last summer, Lupe paraded his rigid principles on "B.M.F. (Building Minds Faster)," his freestyle over Rick Ross's ode to the streets "B.M.F. (Blowin' Money Fast)."

Instead of glorifying famed drug dealers Larry Hoover and Big Meech on the chorus, Lupe praised Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. And in the verse, he rapped, "They say I try too hard, verses overwhelm/I learned most of this from n\*\*\*as sittin' in jail/Where you think I'm from? I'm from the streets, n\*\*\*a/Triple-OGs told me to teach, n\*\*\*a."

Lupe feels conflicted about the original "B.M.F." "I will do a DJ set, drop that, and throw up the forks and throw up G.D. and all the gang signs. It's cool for a while, until you go to jail for 150 years," he says. "There are parts about Big Meech and Larry Hoover that are cool—the money, the cars, the clothes—but when you go to jail for 150 years, there is nothing cool about that. When I see little kids singing, 'I want to be Big Meech, I want to be Larry Hoover,' that shit scares me, because you are creating tyrants. They probably don't know who the fuck Larry Hoover is. They probably don't even know who Rick Ross is. I'm not talking about the rapper; I'm talking about the real Rick Ross, the guy who fucked Los Angeles up single-handedly—the inventor of crack cocaine. You want to be like the dude who invented crack cocaine? Do you know what crack cocaine is? Do you know what
that shit does to people? I'll put, 'Yo, I want to be Malcolm X,' because Malcolm X was a cool muthafucka, and he was a gangsta. He probably killed muthafuckas, definitely robbed muthafuckas, definitely was a pimp, was everything that them dudes was, and was cool with it. But then he became this phenomenal fuckin' ridiculous intellectual who went around the world just decimating muthafuckas with knowledge and went toe to toe with the system."

He doesn't mind if his stance is perceived as preachy or self-righteous. "The street n\*\*\*as don't think that," Lupe says. "The n\*\*\*as who want to be like the street n\*\*\*as think that. The people who are entertained by the street n\*\*\*as think that. But the n\*\*\*as who are actually doing it know that I'm right."

Lupe's good friend, Houston rapper Trae the Truth agrees. "A lot of stuff he says is stuff that needed to be said," says Trae. "Regardless if it's something you don't want to hear. It's real out here. Some of these entertainers never been in the street, so they wouldn't understand street code. He did the right thing by doing what he does with his music."

Lupe Fiasco has personal reasons for doing what he does with his music. In March 2007, his partner (and also manager) in 1st & 15th Entertainment, Charles "Chilly" Patton, was convicted of possessing six kilos of heroin and later sentenced to 44 years in prison. Lupe was not implicated in the case, but he testified for the defense.

According to Chicago magazine, Lupe also wrote a letter to the court saying, "I love Charles… I am deeply saddened by his circumstances and will stand by him and his family no matter what occurs." Last year, the U.S. Supreme Court refused to hear Patton's appeal. "It was a raw deal," Lupe says upon being asked of Patton's guilt.

He claims they speak approximately nine times a month. "It was really seeing the system conspire to get one person. It was real fucked up."

In addition to losing a close friend and mentor, Lupe had to take over the full responsibilities for 1st & 15th Entertainment, the record label he and Patton founded together. Over the years, Patton tutored Lupe in the business, telling him to act like a boss. It's a lesson that may have hindered his career. "I would be so ahead of the game if I just had an artist's mentality. But since I have this business mentality, too, I see through the bullshit. Some artists will take the bullshit because it's simply about progressing as an artist. With me, it's like, No. Progressing as an artist will hurt me on the business side."

Tentatively due in December, Lupe's next album, *Food and Liquor II*, should steer the conversation away from label differences and business affairs—Lupe says that it's developed into a "harder record." But isn't he naive to think his label won't meddle? "Oh, no," he says. "It's like chess. I lost those pieces, and now, by the nature of the game, you will lose these two, three pieces… They already want to do it."

Working on the back-to-basics project has also ignited Lupe's competitiveness. "I can actually make the argument, seriously, that, Yo, I'm better than all y'all. All of y'all," he says. "You have people who can say that. Jay-Z can say that. Eminem can say that. Canibus can say that—if we are going line for line. If you want to relate me to the newer cats, let's go. Let's go line for line and bar for bar. If it's all about spitting and metaphors and MCing and lyrics and entendres, I will eat 99 percent of you dudes up."

This sounds a far cry from the beaten-down artist who contemplated taking his life during the recording of *Lasers*. Still, not all is well. Lupe has always been a bit of a loner, a fact that his career has exacerbated. "You don't see anyone here, do you?" he asks, motioning to his empty hotel room. "It's hard, man. My creative space beckons me to be alone and in my weird area feeling comfortable to create. It's not conducive to other people." (He expects the obligatory follow-up questions about how that's affected romantic relationships, and smirks while delivering his curt "no comment": "I like to keep my private life private.")

He's also still reeling from the September 2010 murder of his friend, the Sean John model Jubar "Esco" Croswell. Esco's remains were found in a wooded area in Edison, New Jersey, days after he was reported missing. Lupe is his son's godfather. At times like this, the man most in need of hearing Lupe Fiasco's positive message is the artist himself. "You have to have that confidence to know that you can have an effect in this world and that you actually stand up for something righteous and [that you don't] get caught up in wickedness," he says. "Sometimes you succumb to it. I'm not a saint. At the same time, I try and act as much as I possibly can in the manner of a saint. Why not? And that's my question that no one answers. Why not? Why fuckin' not? Why can't I be the dude from the hood, and all my friends are gangstas, and I make the most-positive rap music that I possibly can.

Why not?

"At the end of the day, it's human duality. We are all in conflict. We are all in contradiction. Because that's what the world is. We always change. We always grow. We're not going to be young forever. We're not going to be old forever. In the end, we fuckin' die."

### Outtakes

**Would "Airplanes" and "Nothin' On You?" have been just as huge if they were your songs?**

No.

**Why?**

B.O.B. made those records. He took those records where they needed to go. To say, if it was my records would they be different. For what? There is no way to know. When it first happened, it was me and Bob did the second verse. It was supposed to be me and Bob. Bob's verse was what they wanted, it was like, 'Why don't you do that?' I'm like, 'Why don't you give it to Bob.' I remember Lyor was like, 'Why did you let that record go?' I'm like, 'It's the same money. It's the same money I'm not going to get. It's the same money you're going to get. And you broke an artist, as what you should be doing. The way you did?' Eh, I can't really rock with those records because of the way they did the business. For me, it's like, Who knows if it would be as big with me on it. Probably not. I'm already branded in a certain way. You got the people who fuck with Lupe and people who don't fuck with Lupe. You have a whole industry that don't fuck with Lupe. Some are malicious but they haven't been acquainted with me and they've seem me do other things so they put me over here. It's like, I'm not Nelly, I'm dead prez. The people who rock with Nelly aren't as quick to rock with dead prez. But if it's someone new, they are open to the forces of the market. With me, there are certain records that I would do that the radio stations wouldn't play because it's Lupe. It instantly starts to be, 'Well, is it going to be weird?' But then you get Bob and it's like, 'Who is this B.O.B. dude?'

**It's a preconception.**

Yeah.

**Like, 'Oh it's Lupe, he's probably talking that off the wall, back to Africa shit again.'**

That back to Africa shit again. It's just the nature of the business.

**What kind of people does the music business attract?**

It destroys people. People come out of the music business fucked up because you have to become so numb to things and you have to do things completely against your morals. You are putting out the most negative shit in the world. I am specifically speaking about urban music departments. You have families and little kids and you are putting out records about people getting killed, people selling massive amounts of dope and all this negative crazy shit and you think that's cool? And you are celebrating it like you are not having an impact on society? To them, it just becomes a job. It's like the dude who just makes Coca-Cola or the guy who makes gas and doesn't think about the environment. The things that you see specifically in the music business, it's so visceral and so fucked up the things that people do and the things that people go through and the integrity and the work is completely stripped away so you don't know who wrote what. You don't know if that person is real. It's like when you finally meet your hero, you realize he ain't shit because they had nothing to do with the process. Some people are the greatest people on Earth with good hearts and will get in the studio and make the most negative music in the world for the sake of success. That's what the music business does to you. That's what capitalism does to you. When I look at how the product we create is the soundtrack to people's lives, this shit is everywhere. I hate the music business with all my heart. I hate this shit. In the midst of doing *Lasers*, I was in Buffalo, New York and I called my partner and was like, 'I quit. I can't do this shit no more.' Not even specifically because of what was going with *Lasers*. I've been in the music business for 10 years so I've seen all type of shit. You damn near 30 and you look back and are like, What the fuck am I doing? This business is bananas. It rips families apart, rips relationships apart, just destroys shit. You find yourself in some hotel room in the middle of nowhere and you're like, What the fuck am I doing here? I was like, 'I'm done.' He was like, 'C'mon man.' Pep talk this. The only reason why I'm still in the music business is my partner Chill.

**How confident are you in your rapping skills?**

I think I'm pretty good. I'm just starting to find technically what I'm best at from a technical side. It's kind of hard to explain because I can't give you the context.

**You were upset a few years back after you were omitted from MTV's 'Hottest MCs list. Then you put out "Fire," the *Enemy of The State* mixtape and "SLR." What do records like that mean to you?**

They have a purpose. They are like demonstrations. It's like showing off. It's not really about telling a story or pushing an agenda even though I will sprinkle that stuff in here and there. It's about showing the skill level off, like metaphors, double entendres, all of that good fun stuff. I know fans enjoy that. I don't necessarily think that if I did a whole album of that I would sell records. It's definitely something that I think is needed. If people leave you off of lists or people doubt that you can rap or think you have fallen off, it's nice to have that avenue where you can step in and drop some 39-metaphor song.

**Explain your relationship with the blogs and the internet in whole.**

Sometimes I wish I never found the internet. Sometimes I regret getting a laptop and Wi-Fi for logging into the internet because it is such a distraction. If you have any addictive personality, the internet will magnify it. You have to be careful on the internet. You'll look up and be like, 'Damn, it's been six hours.' I'm still trying to figure out a way to take Safari off my laptop. With the blogs, it's like high school. I wasn't the most popular person in high school, it was like 50/50. Some people liked me, some people didn't, some people really didn't fuck with me. Naturally, I'm going to go with people who like me and I'm going to stay away from the people who don't fuck with me but when people go out of their way not to fuck with me then I'm going to go out of my way not to fuck with them. I'm going to feed off your energy. If I know that they are being dishonest or malicious, then I can't fuck with them like that. My first record leaked months before it came out. It send everything into a tizzy and fucked up a lot of the momentum I had. That left me a little salty with the internet as a whole. Don't steal. The dude from 2Dopeboyz had "Beaming" on his laptop. He had songs off *Lasers* and this was last spring. You going back a full year and the way it was done was, he took a screen shot of his Twitter page and was like, 'Haha, You wish.' People think that I'm lying. [He turns on his computer and shows me Tweet and the link to the iTunes page.]

**Those songs never came out.**

Yeah. "Beaming" wasn't out. "Lean" and "Proceed" were old songs. So when you see this [points to the Tweet] and it's Dopeboy Shake.

**What happened between you guys in Vegas?**

Nobody did nothing to him. We did a show in Las Vegas. He was at the show, Tweeting. It was like, 'Where did you get these songs?' 'I got them from Atlantic.' You lying because Atlantic doesn't have them so how did you get them? People don't understand that where I come from, everyone is either a convict, been in jail, been in a gang, is a hooligan of some sorts but those are my brothers, my family and the people that I travel with. Those are the people that I roll with. So when I say, 'Where did you get the songs from and you lie,' and you are sitting in a room full of goons, it's like, 'Let's slap this muthafucka.' No, let's not do that. Let's not slap this white kid who runs a blog in this dressing room. Let's not do that. He got scared to see that. He came into my inner circle and my inner circle is not a bunch of skateboard nerdy backpack muthafuckas. My inner circle is a bunch of sinister looking characters. I'm the oddball in the crew. Nobody touched him. Nobody slapped him…People look at that and see songs. I look at that and see $300,000. The link was showing his iTunes. Why would you do that? He left it up for days. What am I supposed to do when I see you? What am I not supposed to do?

**A lot of blogs and even your own fans think you should release more mixtapes.**

That's the funky thing with music and that's the funky thing with the business. It's like the amateurs and the pros are playing together. There is no line of demarcation between the amateurs and the pros, everyone is using the same tactics and playing in the same arenas. The only thing that separates them is radio but the artist doesn't control who goes to radio and who doesn't. As professionals, we want to be on World Star and the blogs too but everyone is there so you have guys who play for free mingling with dudes who get paid to play. Then, it's just the amount of music. There is so much music. It is devaluing itself. It is creative inflation. Some people feel like they shouldn't have to pay for music. Some people feel like that they shouldn't be paid for their music. I don't feel like that. That's the duality. That's the way things are, man. At the end of the day, the funky part, even with me crying, 'Don't steal my music.' I don't make any money on the music when it comes out anyway. I don't get any checks from Atlantic. That's the hypocrisy…I haven't gotten a check from Atlantic Records that I didn't have to pay back in forever. I don't count advances as credit to my account. That is debt to me. Even me sometimes, it baffles me, 'Why the fuck am I really tripping?' It's not about the money to me. It's, 'Let me control my shit.' It's the control freak in me. Let me put out the way I want to put it out. Let me mix it. Let me redo that third verse like I wanted to. When you lose that [control], that frustrates you.

**Did religion help you get through the bad times?**

Yeah, it definitely gave me, whether it was a distraction or moments of calm, of clarity, or moments of refocusing my attention to things beyond myself so I know the role I play in my family or my community or my role in the world.

**How have your thoughts on religion evolved over the years?**

Well, yeah. You learn more, you see things and experience the contradictions, especially me because I grew up secular. I didn't grow up immersed. Islam was always there but I always looked beyond that to the human side of things. I always look at religion like it's software. The hardware, our DOS that we come with is our human side, our instincts. Humans have the capability of being the most compassionate and then turn around and be the most destructive. Once you start to understand that duality that comes with being human and filtering religion through that scope, it shocks the faith. People say that knowledge is the enemy of faith. Once you get certain knowledge and understanding, it definitely tests the faith. It's still there, it's still a part of me. I'm not saying I'm a heretic or an atheist but there are things that I recognize as being the way humans are no matter what religion you are. There are certain atrocities that human beings are capable of that just stun me. At the same time, there are acts of compassion, which have nothing to do with religion.

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4. ↑ "Lupe Fiasco's 10 Deepest Records". *XXL*. January 27, 2015.
5. ↑ "20 of the Best Rap Albums Released in the Fourth Quarter Over the Past 10 Years". *XXL*. November 7, 2016.
6. ↑ "50 Great Albums from Rappers with Poetic Flows". *XXL*. April 29, 2016.
7. ↑ "30 Albums That Will Make You Appreciate Hip-Hop". *XXL*. March 10, 2016.
8. ↑ Fitzgerald, Trent (May 31, 2021). "These Are the Best Hip-Hop Songs with No Hooks". *XXL*.
9. ↑ "Here Are the Best Hip-Hop Songs Under Two Minutes". *XXL*. November 7, 2022.
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