CinemaWins

**CinemaWins** is a channel that makes the "Everything Great About" series, which tries to point out all the positive aspects in even the most unpopular of films, as a reverse counterpart to the original CinemaSins' "Everything Wrong With" series

## History

### On *The Last Jedi*

MauLer, Rags, Wolf, and guest Logicked first encountered CinemaWins on EFAPs 17 and 18, where they took a look at his video praising *The Last Jedi*. The gang was on board with the idea that you can find the positives in a movie even if it's bad, but what would make or break it would be the individual points made.

thinks “yo mama”-caliber jokes have always been part of the franchise -- calls lot of the movie “fun”, even when it might not be intended as fun

something that happened in the previous films is motife and is good

considers that the bombers work by gravity, while the official explanation is they work by magnetism - both are stupid

thinks fans problem with the scene is that they wanted luke to have big reaction to his fathers lightsaber, not the fact that he just backhandedly throws it away, slapstick way making it look goofy -- thinks people wanted him to just jump from joy and run into the fight, very exaggerated

reads lot of symbolism, even when its more than debatable

thinks injury is enough for trained fighter to loose to novice

likes that wise master calls a tool same as his father as 8 year old slave with no knowledge, laser sword

poes arc is good - holdo might not have had plan at the start - since poe is angry for not getting the plan, Holdo is right for not telling the plan. she also can’t trust that one of her bridge crew is mole, so she can’t say it out in public. she is also right, since poe states a mutiny “And then he mutinies? Is that when she should have said something? To the Mutineer” - Poe's confidence makes him arrogant to honoring command decisions

thinks Marry Poppins leia is good since she finally shows of force powers, beyond intuition, also okay since she is not flying, just pulling/pushing herself, semantics

thinks every “rational person” would believe that there is a mole on board as they are being tracked by the first order - not in the movie -- thinks that since leia demoted poe she should not trust him

doesn’t understand why people didn’t like rey and kylo relationship building

some sections he doesn’t explain completely what he means. like saying that Reys tapping to dark side makes sense that Luke is afraid but “ultimately informs his decision to return”

thinks canto bight people being the worse people is just a joke, being parallel to scum and villainy bar. doesn’t take the casino planet seriously as in our world the war profiteers aren’t the 1%, the tech giants are worse as they sell crappy products, that was a jest

rey is good with a staff, so she is good with lightsaber, even though she uses it like an amateur

likes the drunk alien voiced by Mark Hamill

sees that rose getting her wish of destroying canto bight as a plus

thinks Luke's Dagobah fight with vader means that “to kill Vader is to kill himself”

finds reys and kylos relationship the most compelling part of the  movie. finds their relationship romantics and familiar and relatable - thinks kylo and rey have “real actual relationship” “based on trust” and that he thought for a moment that she would join the dark side

treats many scenes in a vacuum

heroes have flaws and Luke has flaws, so his going to kill his sleeping nephew, which is similar to when he attacked Vader in Return Of the Jedi -- thinks everyone wants Luke to fight first order alone, rather than just help the rest of them

likes old music used in scenes

Whenever or not rey knows the conflict she has inside her, he clothes know better

keeps the narrative of there being a mole, even though it was never a thing and based lot of Holdo defense on that

he predicted that snoke would die and doesn’t care who he was -- is ready to overlook how the guards attack Kylo after Snoke dies because he likes the fightscene -- choreography, section being just one shot, rey and kylo fighting back to back

glad that she has no familiar connection to established family

things are similar but with just similar

visuals and sound design and acting, beautiful imagery

claps and laughs at everything - wolf compares to child that laughs at anything as fun, will clap at a plus toilet or flushing a toilet - person who goes outside and picks up pretty stuff of the ground

spent months writing and changing the videos script -- doesn’t see himself as arrogant or foolish enough to think he change other people's opinions

says he doesn’t want to stoke the fire, yet he calls out actor attackers as “dumb idiots”

Talk how everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it would be great if people were nice to one another when talking

thinks theories ruined the movie -- thinks people want to limit the force -- thinks future generations won't have the same baggage as current one and will like the sequels more

thinks the movie is statement of how we perceive our heroes, where we see them as supermen but in truth they are just regular people, Luke is just a man that had some lucky break, like being born into his family -- lukes mythical status exist in both the movie and real world, so he doesn’t want it

Thinks the resistance is physical embodiment of hope, them of the franchise

we can’t blame the movie for making Luke attempt to kill Ben Solo, as he was on that path from Return of the Jedi, where he defied the darkness -- thinks that luke cut himself of the force because he felt shame for trying to kill Kylo -- thinks that the Jedi were failures as it was sith that killed the emperor -- claims that he lost hope back in the Return of the Jedi but then says that he lost it when he tried to kill Ben Solo

Luke mind changes after has a short chat with Yoda

you didn’t pay attention to the movie if you thought that it was better if he was there present and not as a projection -- thinks people wanted god mode luke

has heard that “you come from nothing” is “inclusionist propaganda”

gives himself wins over his own theorization on the themes and messages

he wants to offer repeddle to criticism, but doesn’t think he can do it nor is he arrogant enough to think he can

thinks Holdo not telling the plan is realistic

the canto bight is learning moment for Fin, to learn to trust people

its not filmmakers problem that there is no lore

liked that Snoke was killed and found it a good twist

science is always been wonky in star wars, that’s okay since its fantasy.

plotholes don’t bother him

other movies had ship related problems, like fixing shield and needing to buy part to fixing broken ship sections, so resistance running out of fuel makes sense -- thinks the fans had problem with the how ships and other vehicles looked, not that they were impractical to use in universe, like how bombers are slow

thinks rian loves star wars and tried to make good movie for the fans, he wanted to add to the franchise, not to make something that would please the fans -- there was no plan from the beginning, or Rian threw them out, there is a conflicting information -- its hard to make a movie when fan try to predict everything

seemingly thinks that people want mark hamill to carry all the future movies for all eternity, do we think the actor wants that? -- thinks we only want original characters, not the new ones

Luke was never super optimistic or chipper -- Luke is just sad for a bit of the time and whiny, then a little happy

its okay to like this movie, either side is right -- mentions he has not commented enough about acting, scenery, lighting and sound design -- he dings himself -- says he made his video and wants to move past it, says he cares for talking and conversation, but doesn’t want to talk directly

### The *Joker* War - Better than CinemaSins

CinemaWins returned in EFAP 83 for a double-feature alongside their counterpart CinemaSins, with MauLer, Rags, SmilerAl, Drinker, and HeelVsBabyface taking a look at both of their videos on *Joker*, to see who had the better take. While CinemaWins had the occasional point where he seemed to extrapolate a bit too much, and ended his video on a strange note by claiming that no movie is objectively good, CinemaSins performed far worse, barely able to go one Sin without getting something wrong, going to desperate lengths to try and find things wrong with the film

In this episode, CinemaWins famously censored the blood spatter on the wall when Joker shoots Murray, but not the bullet wound itself

### *The Rise of Skywalker* - Worse than CinemaSins

MauLer, Rags, and Drinker, now joined by Evan Monroe and HackFraudMedia, got together on EFAP 86 for another Sins/Wins Double-Feature, this time on *The Rise of Skywalker*. This time around, it was CinemaWins who kept dropping the ball, infamously telling people to "pretend [Palpatine's resurrection] is what you wanted, and see how you feel," while CinemaSins was the far more accurate one, though Sins would often not describe why the flaws he was pointing out were flaws, and still had the occasional sin that didn't land. The conclusion the gang came to after this double-feature and the previous one was a somewhat intuitive one - that CinemaSins is better when critiquing a movie that is actually bad, while CinemaWins is better when critiquing a movie that is actually good

### on *Black Widow*

MauLer, Rags, Fringy, Weekend Warrior, Shadiversity, and Indigo Gaming next encountered CinemaWins in EFAP 154, where they took a look at his video on *Black Widow*

In his usual opening, he has the heavenly choir, but when he cuts in sound bite of the beginning of the film, its kids screaming, a rather weird decision, especially since it goes back to heavenly choir.

Did the fakest laugh ever

### vs CinemaSins on *The Multiverse of Madness*

On EFAP 239, MauLer, Rags, Fringy, Metal, and Meme returned to CinemaWins with another Sins/Wins Double Feature, on *Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness*, the worst film they had ever seen. This time, the gang elected to tally up the valid criticisms made by each and see who came out victorious. MauLer initially proposed a binary 1 point per accurate and fair critique big or small, believing it would make sorting out disagreements through a vote easier, but Rags suggested giving half-points for true and valid but non-substantive critiques such as "Benedict Cumberbatch's acting is good" and later adding the possibility of multiple points for very insightful critiques, while Fringy suggested only giving points for substantive critiques and giving 0 for anything else. Chat also recommended giving negative points for making innacurate critiques. It was put to a vote whether CinemaSins or Wins would come out victorious, and the entire roster and Chat predicted Sins would succeed, leading Rags to suggest Sins go first so the underdog would have a chance to come up from behind in a dramatic twist. The scoring system they settled on was whole points for any critique big or small, with negative points for inaccurate critiques, and 0 points for jokes, observations, or positives that did not impact the quality of the film. After being jumpscared by the surprise appearance of Patrick Willems, whose "How to Make a Movie" series on Nebula was the sponsor of this video, the coverage began

The video ended with yet another Patrick Willems jumpscare, after which Fringy noted that the last couple of minutes had been particularly weak, with Wins just saying he liked things or brushing off the negative aspects of them, seemingly betraying a lack of confidence in how good the movie actually is. When asked to guess the final score, Rags guessed -16, Meme -12, Metal -37, and Fringy -5, after which MauLer revealed that the tally came out to +2, though it should really be a tad lower since he gave up on keeping track of the flurry of -1s at the end. The general takeaway people had was that CInemaWins suffered from the inverse issue as Sins, making simple observations and counting them as Sins/Wins out of a sense of obligation to fill up a video with dings regardless of how deserved they were. Someone in Chat said they always hear that CinemaWins is better, and figured people just felt that because they liked the positive vibe his videos had, and MauLer added that the concept of CinemaWins could work, not just for positivity's sake but because trying to find the good in even the worst of movies can be a legitimately interesting challenge. MauLer and the cast were certain they needed to do this again with a good movie like *Puss in Boots: The Last Wish*, with Fringy additionally suggesting they do a third round with a mid movie

### The Cinema Wars, Part 2

The gang from the last stage of the Cinema War added RandomFilmTalk to their party for EFAP 268, where they once again pitted Sins against Wins, this time comparing their videos on *Puss in Boots: The Last Wish*, which they considered one of the best films of the year as well as one of the best films Dreamworks has made. MauLer summarized the history of the Cinema Wars so far, with CinemaSins mixing together attempts at legitimate criticisms with what they claimed were things gotten wrong on purpose for comedy's sake, CinemaSins' reputation having soured as people began to consider its negativity-focused format to be the ruination of film criticism itself, people attributing channels like MauLer's own to its success despite MauLer having never liked CinemaSins, people holding up CinemaWins as the more admirable one one because they focused on positivity rather than negativity, and EFAP's Sins/Wins Double Features trying to see whether Sins' negativity to a fault or Wins' positivity to a fault would produce better results, culminating in the *Multiverse of Madness* stream where they actually tried to score it on a point system. With CinemaSins having been given home team advantage last time, it was only fitting to let CinemaWins go first this time. MauLer asked everyone to place bets on the outcome, himself predicting Wins would score 15 against Sins' -15, Rags guessing 25 to 5, Fringy 40 to -20, Metal 27 to -10, Meme 10 to 2, and RandomFilmTalk being the only one who believed Wins would still perform worse on a good movie, predicting a 5 for Wins versus an 8 for Sins

TBA

## Trivia

* Ponytails are the mark of evil

## Quotes

* "The 'Why didn’t Holdo just tell Poe?' complaint is... it's not even nitpicky, its just irritating"
* "Honesty"
* “Godspeed rebels”
* "You have to squint to turn this into an anti-patriarchy message"
* “That makes sense”
* "Now we've circled back around to 'anyone' can make a difference. The whole world has been opened back up, how can you hate that message?"
* “Holdo could have been a talking Porg and the story would played out the same” it would have been bizarre and raised some questions
* “Hahaha, Yoda, always the trickster” - when Yoda shoots lightning
* “Triple kill!!”
* “Liking things is more fun than not”
* “Hope was no longer a luxury that Luke could have”
* "He sparks the hope that his physical form never could have done"
* "He had way bigger impact as the "legend" than a physical being"
* “Luke has always been a conflicted kid”
* "I do argue against and defend perceived problems"
* "This isn't meant to be as complicated as I've seen people make it"
* "This is as Star Warsy as a Star War ever did StarsWar"
* "Pretend it's what you wanted and see how you feel"
* "It's a yup from me, dawg"
* "I think a lot of us saw this coming" - CinemaWins commenting on something that no one saw coming in TRoS *-*"I just like Ben Solo" *on something that no one saw coming in TRoS*
* "I just like Ben Solo"
* "And I thought that ponytail was the most evil thing about him"
 "Darth Vader was bald, fuck off!"
 - CinemaWins & Rags, EFAP 239
* "I don't care if he's a good guy, he was gonna kill a kid!" - CinemaWins, on Defender Strange trying to save every other child and adult in existence, EFAP 239
* "Is the chorus singing 'Wong'? Because they should, and it would be amazing"
"If they are that's fucking cringe"
 - CinemaWins & Rags, EFAP 239
* "So I guess I'm saying... 'consume all content you plebs'?"
* "Iron Man, he's an ore-themed superhero" - Rags, applying Doctor Strange and CinemaWins' teachings
	+ "What're they gonna do with a gun-themed superhero?" - MauLer, on War Machine
* "'Diagetic'? Dia-Jesus Christ" - The Meme Repository, EFAP 239
* "See this is true film analysis, this is when you *know* film, you just say 'Raimi Raimi Raimi Raimi, Raimi Raimi Raimi Raimi, Raimi Raimi'" - MauLer, EFAP 239
* "Like I said, you'll find me to be a Wanda apologist in this one-"
 "I know why, yeah, because Elizabeth Olsen is a really good actress and she's really hot, that's why"
 - CinemaWins and MauLer, EFAP 239
* "They need to go over there and they started walking there, because they can walk"
 "And what a walk it was"
 "Look at em walking. Walking! Ding!"
 - MauLer, Metal, and Fringy, EFAP 239
* "That show was... not great" - CinemaWins, DESTROYING *Inhumans*
* "And hey, you should go watch my Resurrections videos, because-"
 "Nooo"
 - CinemaWins and MauLer, EFAP 239
* "Gross!"
"GrOooss"
 - CinemaWins and MauLer, EFAP 239
* "Well I guess we know Mordo's a democrat" - EFAP 239
* "Being pretty strong, saying stuff loud, or making your fingers stretchy aren't exactly top-tier powers" - CinemaWins, on Captain America, Black Bolt (who can shoot sonic blasts so powerful it puts anyone in a room with him at risk), and Reed Richards (who can elasticize any part of his body to extreme limits)
* "There's part of me that says 'I can't believe you brought Xavier back just to kill him again,' and then there's the other part of me that says 'Sir Patrick Stewart is always a win!'"
"Why do you kill the part of your brain that works?"
 - CinemaWins and MauLer, EFAP 239
* "They brought him back just to kill him? Eugh, BUT, it *is* Patrick Stewart, AND, it *is* Patrick Stewart here" - MauLer, applying CinemaWins' teachings, EFAP 239
* "Look it's Wong, look it's Raimi, look it's that character screaming, look it's monster vision!" - MauLer, applying CinemaWins' teachings, EFAP 239
* "There's pretty much nothing I wouldn't do for my kids and-" "Would you kill a kid?" - CinemaWins and MauLer, EFAP 239
* "What's the point of you?... Other than- you can have your own meaning in life, I just mean these videos" - MauLer, EFAP 239