Episode 241: Serial Killers and The Women Who Love Them

Henry Zebrowski

Hybristophilia

Women who love men who murder

Groupies

Marriage in Prison

John Wayne Gacy Groupies

Groupie Father

## Program Subject

This is the 241st episode of the podcast and what Ben referred to as a very "Jerry Springer" episode. This episode was all about love and romance between serial killers and the women who fell in love with and sometimes even married them.

## Summary of the Episode

The episode begins with Henry talking about the all the grunge music he's been listening to before Ben criticizes his music choices. In retaliation, Marcus questions what Ben is listening to, and he talks about listening to the commentary of a linebacker for the Baltimore Ravens and the Ray Charles. Ben then refers to the episode being very "Jerry Springer" with Marcus reminding him to introduce the show and Henry says that he must do so and is thankful that he's not someone else.

Marcus then officially begins the episode discussing and defining hybristophilia, aka "Bonnie and Clyde Syndrome" which is a paraphilia "responsive to and contingent upon being with a partner known to have committed an outrage, cheating, lying, known infidelities, or crime—such as rape or murder." He talks about how role-playing is not enough for these women, they need something more "exciting real. He then refers to a study done by the University of Turku: Extreme Sports Science Psychology Division that demonstrated this. Henry jokes about how they basically gave a bunch of X-Gamers lab coats and let them be a university. Ben joins in by saying they get to skateboard to work and have a cool job title, but they don't know what their job is because it has nothing to do with extreme sports. Henry says that no lab should ever have "extreme" in the title unless they are the test kitchen for Doritos.

Marcus goes on to explain how the researchers did a body function on women who visited their partners in prison, their body function results were very similar to the ones of athletes who participate in extreme sports. Henry summarizes it saying that they had a woman sit down and watch them stab a pig, then put things on her nipples and on her body and then put her on a roller coaster. Ben is sympathetic to the athletes who work their tails off to get good at snowboarding when all they had to do to get the same rush was to bang Aileen Wuornos. Henry then mentions that these women would be perfect for the dating pool for Last Podcast on the Left; a woman who loves to watch somebody get murdered and ride a roller coaster, he's dating one, Natalie Jean, and loves it.

They then play a clip from a documentary about a woman who is obsessed with these kinds of people. In the clip, she describes her fantasy about the Boogeyman riding on a black stallion that she gets on and rides away with him. The woman in the clip is Sandra London, a true-crime author who married 2 serial killers left one to marry another. Ben says how much it would suck to get divorced in prison, Henry adds how the prisoner would still get half of anything like soap or whatever's up the prisoner's butt.

## Featured Serial Killers

* Richard Ramirez
* Ted Bundy
* John Wayne Gacy
* David Berkowitz
* Kenneth Bianchi
* Charles Manson
* Aileen Wuornos (mentioned)

## Sources and Further Reading

*Women who Love Men Who Kill* by Shelia Isenberg

*In Love with a Killer* documentary 2013

## New Comedy Characters Featured

A prisoner being divorced- has nothing to give in the divorce

Ted Bundy Groupie Father- Henry's version of a father figure

John Wayne Gacy Groupies:

Lynn- mental stimulation junkie who is a combination of Henry's mother and David Berkowitz

Terry Sue- sexy mama

Sue Terry- the woman who got the closest to Gacy while he was in prison

Afton Elaine Burton "Star"- Marcus pretending to be a hippie to playoff Henry's Charles Manson

## Returning Comedy Character

David Berkowitz- his usual hypochondriac self

Charles Manson- Henry in his usual grizzled hippie voice

## Couples/Groupies/Admirers

**Richard Ramirez**:

- Groupies "Women in Black" including Paige, Misty.

- Additional Admirers: one of his jurors

- Spouse: Doreen Lioy (married 1996-2013, his death)

**Ted Bundy**:

- Groupies that matched his type of victim

- Spouse: Carole Ann Boone (married 1979-1986, divorced)

**John Wayne Gacy**:

Admirers:

- Lynn (stimulation junkie)

- Terry Sue

- Sue Terry

**David Berkowitz**:

- Letters from admirers

- An unknown woman who knew him before his arrest. She wanted to get married but he didn't.

**Kenneth Bianch**i:

- Veronica Compton

**Charles Manson:**

-Star (Afton Elaine Burton)

## Foodstuffs and Beverages mentioned

* Doritos
* Salami
* Soup
* Starbucks
* Valentine's Day cupcake

## Cultural References

* Lithium Radio
* Grunge Music and bands including Stabbing Westward, STP, AIC and Fuel
* Ray Lewis
* Baltimore Ravens
* "Ray" Charles
* Jerry Springer
* Bonnie and Clyde
* X Games
* Test Kitchen for Doritos
* Satanism
* Poetry in Starbucks
* Juliette Louis from *Natural Born Killers* movie
* Teen Magazine
* Sarah Jessica Parker
* Eli Wallach
* Catholicism and Stations of the Cross
* Diet Pepsi commercial featuring construction workers
* *Dallas* tv show
* O.J. Simpson case and LA Police Department
* Berlin band and *Take My Breath Away*
* Hot Topic
* ACDC
* Tom Brady
* Ken doll
* Ann Rule, crime author
* *Anger Management* show
* Charlie Sheen

## Quotes/Classic Catchphrases

**Marcus**: (about women who liked David Berkowitz) Now although our next guy didn't get as much attention from the ladies as our last three

**Henry**: I imagine he got the least

**Marcus**: He got the least, women still wrote to our dear old friend David Berkowitz... aka the Son of Sam. Now since Berkowitz was a more "hands-off" killer, using a gun from a distance rather than the "close-up" strangle, stab, murder, rape of most serial killers, he appealed to the more nurturing "I can save him, I can change him" rescue fantasy side."

**David Berkowitz**: (interrupting) I don't think you really understand. Okay yes, it's not sexy as you know heavin' and being on top. Oh God just thinkin' about makes me all sweaty and hard that is. You understand it takes up to 3 minutes to strangle somebody to death, who's got that kind of energy? It takes me... It took me 4 minutes to put on my shoes this morning. And oh God, I think I'm really allergic to some of the materials in the shoes, I got these weird welts on my fingertips. I dunno where it came from; I think I'm sick or I'm stressed. I haven't been sleeping very well. Oh, my neighbour's been playing television so loud. At the same time, it is a funny show, I love that Anger Management show. It is very funny, Charlie Sheen, oh he's worth whatever cent you can get him for. But to say that I'm less sexy because I shoot people it takes a skill. It takes prop... it takes proper maintenance of a weapon... you don't understand oh...

**Ben**: You shot at like 9 people I think you only hit four.

**David Berkowitz**: Oh because in the end it's not about the result it's about the journey. It's not about the destination... (begins wheezing)... oh

**Ben**: Are you okay?

**David Berkowitz**: Hey wait a second do you have a cat?

**Ben**: I do

**David Berkowitz**: Oh that is just, you may as well just put me on Death Row, then...

**Ben**: You are on Death Row.

**David Berkowitz**: Oh... OH GOD.

**Marcus**: Yeah Berkowitz got letters saying things like "I think you're sexy and handsome and misunderstood."

**David Berkowitz**: Thank you somebody said it! Somebody knew

**Ben**: Someone did say that to you in a letter yes...

**David Berkowitz**: Can you please find my mother and tell her the same thing?

## Photo Gallery

**Richard Ramirez**

1/9

**Ted Bundy:**

*** Carole Ann Boone
* Ted Bundy, wife and daughter
* The Bundy "Family"
* At Easter Time
1/10**

**John Wayne Gacy**:

**Kenneth Bianchi**:

* Veronica Compton
* Veronica Compton before being released from prison
1/2

**Charles Manson**:

* Star, Charles and Craig
1/7