Celtic Phoenix

**Celtic Phoenix** is a YouTuber who predominantly makes videos about *RWBY*

### vs Fatmanfalling

MauLer, Rags, Metal, Jay, and DasBoSchitt first encountered Celtic Phoenix on EFAP 51, where they took a look at a stream by Fatmanfalling he appeared on. Phoenix was both a friend of Fatman's and a fan of MauLer's, and wanted to know why the former held so much disdain for the latter. Fatman explained that his issue with MauLer was that he is a "twatbasket" on Twitter, despite having been the one who had insulted MauLer's work ethic on Twitter right out the gate. He summed up all of MauLer's work as "I would have preferred a different movie" and questioned how MauLer could spend an entire hour denouncing the concept of subjectivity, a claim MauLer found strange both since he found it pretty much impossible not to be both objective and subjective in different parts of what you do and since surely a topic as broad as how you view existence could be talked about for well over an hour. When Phoenix pitched to him the example of someone checking the temperature on a broken thermometer, thus having an objective opinion since it is not a fact but also not influenced by emotion, Fatman laughed in exasperation at him not simply calling that a "guess," with MauLer finding it odd to describe someone as "guessing" the temperature when they literally just read it off a thermometer

Fatman elaborated that he was judging MauLer not off his videos but off his "Twitter persona," since he didn't really care about his videos, except for the ones that he watched. He denied there was any debate to even be had since anyone who believes there are objective standards of quality is just incorrect, trying his own hand at what he thinks it is to be objective by saying a movie is good because one of the shots is in focus. Phoenix tried to explain that while one can judge the competence of the camerawork in a shot that it is supplementary to more important things about a movie, leading Fatman to ask what MauLer would even consider "supplementary" to mean, something he might know if he actually watched his videos. Despite having previously said MauLer is definitively wrong, he now declined to debate MauLer since MauLer would set the terms of what it means to be right. He recounted Patrick Willems describing *The Last Jedi* as "a movie about space wizards intended for children" and erroneously described MauLer's response as just calling that subjective. Fatman defended Patrick from the thing MauLer never said by explaining that Patrick's viewpoint is just as valid as everyone else', apparently forgetting that Patrick had used that point to invalidate other people's viewpoints

### Arrival

Celtic Phoenix himself entered the Chat during the coverage, and joined the call when the gang was done with the video, though Rags had to leave right when he joined. He expressed confusion that Fatmanfalling took such issue with MauLer since he saw the two of them as having similar reviewing styles, but theorized that it might have been because he was a fan of Hbomberguy's and MauLer's response to his *Dark Souls 2* review had left a bad taste in his mouth. Jay asked Phoenix what percent chance he gave that there was cum on Fatman's chessboard, a questino that had been tormenting the cast all stream, and his response that Fatman is a furry bumped Das' guess up to 100%, believing there was no chessboard and it was just pure cum

## Quotes

* "They hate that argument"
 "Because it's TRUE"
 - CelticPhoenix and Fatmanfalling, who destroyed him with facts and logic