ESB:Discussions/Community first approach

**The following is an ongoing discussion. Please feel free to voice your opinion, but be sure to follow the rules.**

How discussions work:
Concern Stage
* 1. Someone brings up a topic for discussion.
* 2. The community discusses that topic.

Voting Stage
* 3. The proposal is brought to a vote, taking into account any changes discussed by the community.
* 4. The community votes.

You can use any of the following prior to your comments to show your opinion.

{{Support}} • {{Neutral}} • {{Oppose}}
{{Not Yet}} • {{Like}} • {{Dislike}} • {{Change}} • {{Comment}}

## Instructions

This is a page for creating and resolving concerns on topic: "**Community first approach**".

At the **end of the page**, you have "Create New Concern" button, which you can use to voice your **concerns, comments, or questions** about what the proposal. You can use the "Refresh This Discussion" button, which you can use to make sure that **all changes** are included to a page.

**After 10 days** of discussion, the concern stage will end. All points brought up during that phase will be taken into account and an administrator can move the discussion to voting, modifying the original proposal with any changes discussed by the community.

You can also **add your comments** to existing concerns. On the other hand, if you have **no concerns**, then you just wait for the **voting stage**.

Have a happy discussion!

## Proposal

I have realized that the main problems of ESB are not the rules itself, but those who follow them. That is why I propose "community first approach" that does not change ESB rules, but change how we are handling them. For that reason, with help of 120d, I have implemented and explained "community first approach" in a form of a template that has placeholder for rules instead of actual rules: new policy page template. If this proposal passes, we will make "community first approach" official by replacing our ESB:Report user with ESB:Conflict and then using the new policy page template for our ESB:Policy page. On the other hand, due to importance of subject of this discussion, this discussion will be moved to voting stage only after we reach an agreement.

### Benefits

Assuming that you have read the new policy page template I have linked earlier, here are the benefits of three elements of "community first approach" that you may not have already realized. The first element gives users a mindset which helps them with making the best judgment they can possible make when they are faced with the second element which allows them to be critical regarding the rules. Then, if users on any way abuse the second element, the third element will allow users to start a conflict resolution discussion and in the same time prevent pointless discussions, since both users can both be concluded to have consequences for not being able to resolve issue on peaceful matters, which will also assure that users will get mature over time and start resolving issues they have on their own.

### Summary

We are basically changing the rules mindset to be something like this:

1. We have a set of rules and guidelines for everyone to follow
2. If someone breaks the rules for the good of the wiki, it is okay
3. Abuse of #2 may result in a conflict resolution discussion

 **AW10**  Talk  Contribs  E-Mail  10:04,5/15/2016