Episode 2.5

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**Episode 2.5** is the fifth episode of the second season and the 15th overall episode of **Mindhunter**.

## Short Summary

Bill's devastating family situation spills over during his interview with Holden's holy-grail subject: Charles Manson. Wendy's new romance heats up.

## Full Summary

**Park City, Kansas**

The ADT serviceman digs a hole. He carefully places a box inside and then buries it.

Nancy and Bill sit at the table together. Bill says Brian never said a word. Nancy says he tried to tell them, when he kept telling her he was sorry, when he wet the bed. She thinks that was him trying to tell them. Nancy says Brian was involved in the death. He just watched. He suggested putting him on a cross because he thought it would bring the kid back to life. Nancy didn't like one of the kids in the first place and never wanted Brian to play with him. What if he'd done that to Brian instead? Bill says they both liked seeing Brian finally have some friends. Nancy's worried they'll take Brian away, but Bill says he won't let that happen. The phone rings and Bill answers it. He tells the person on the line he's dealing with a family matter. Then says he'll be right in. Nancy's upset, but Bill says Gunn wants to see him. Bill says he'll tell Gunn he's taking the week off. They need to get a handle on things.

Gunn asks Bill what happened. Bill says he knows he was supposed to be in Atlanta, but he got a phone call. Gunn didn't even get that. Bill apologizes. Gunn's upset because they got kicked out of Atlanta in less than 24 hours. He wants to know what Holden said that offended the city so much. Bill says he didn't say anything out of line. He just gave an overview and said he believed they were looking for a single, black predator. It may have been more how he said it. Gunn says they said they believed Holden was trying to steer the investigation in a direction the city doesn't want to go. It's Bill's job to stop Holden before he gets to that place or at least give Gunn a warning. Bill takes the fall and Gunn says it can't happen again.

Bill goes to Holden, upset because Holden didn't even call. Holden says Jim told him there was nothing they could do. It's all politics. He offers to talk to Gunn, but Bill says it's not all politics until he starts selling unsupported conclusions. Bill asks if Holden can see how they might perceive him telling them about the killer before they've even seen a crime scene. He wants Holden to keep his mouth shut until they've done more legwork. Bill then leave to see everyone in the outer office looking at him. Wendy follows Bill out the door.

In the hallway, Bill apologizes for Wendy having to hear that. She says he looks terrible. She asks about the Atlanta trip being curtailed. Bill says he could blame Holden, but he was supposed to be there watching him. He let Holden get swept up and then he stepped on a landmine. Wendy say it's a full-time job, watching Holden. Bill says he'll get better at it, but he needs time today for a family thing to take care of. She asks if everything's okay, but he avoids the question and says he just needs the time. As he walks away, she tells him about interviewing Henley while they were in Atlanta. They thought Bill and Holden would be gone for weeks and didn't want the interviews to lag. Bill asks how Gregg did and Wendy says he was hesitant. Bill knows that he didn't do well. Wendy says it was a team effort and the transcripts will be done tomorrow. Bill looks forward to it.

Kay is driving and Wendy says they're going to be late. Kay says they'll be fine. Wendy says it starts in two minutes. Kay says they'll miss the trailers. Wendy says by the time they get their drinks and seats, they'll miss something. Kay says it sounds like a big deal. Kay drives past the theatre, but says she's just preparing to get into a spot. Wendy says she's a person who needs to see the whole thing. She likes to find her seat and watch the trailers. Kay says it'll be at least another minute to pull in the spot. They'll definitely miss something. She tells Wend she has a bottle of Chablis at her apartment. Wendy can't say no to that, so Kay just drives away.

Kay and Wendy are having sex. After Wendy orgasms, she asks if Kay still has that wine. Kay gets up to go get it. Wendy sits up in the bed and see some boxes stacked nearby. She looks around the apartment and says she didn't picture Kay living in a place like that. Sparse. Her life seems abundant. Kay says one's expansiveness of spirit need not be reflected by one's personal surroundings. Wendy sees the picture of Kay's son and says he's adorable. Wendy asks how often she sees him. She's seeing him that weekend and taking him to a baseball game. She misses him, but the idea of shaping another life terrifies her. She can barely take care of herself. She has milk crates for shelves. Wendy says she has real shelves and she doesn't believe they are equivalent to any higher understanding. What Kay has done takes courage and Wendy's happy she's leading an authentic life and Wendy's happy to be part of it with her. Kay agrees and they kiss. Wendy says he likes baseball, or she's sure she would if she went to a game. Kay pulls back and says she doesn't introduce her son to people she's dating. Wendy immediately backs off and apologizes. She says she understands. She interviews the by-products of promiscuous mothers, not that Kay is promiscuous. Wendy wants to go back a few minutes, after the best sex of her life, before she invited herself to the game. Kay says her son would really like Wendy, but he's been through a lot and she doesn't want to freak him out, at least until it's something. Kay then asks if it was really the best sex of Wendy's life and Wendy nods.

Bill tells Wendy the dyke mentor story was a good save, just in time, he says, as he looks at Gregg. Wendy says she had to come up with something that would make him feel accepted and it worked. Then he adamantly insisted he wasn't homosexual. He was more defensive about that than being called a sadist. Bill thinks he's protesting as a cover. Holden says he protested to a lot of things. Wendy says he categorized himself as a nonparticipant. He compartmentalizes. Bill says he might have viewed his participation as beyond his own control, since he was a kid. Wendy says he knew exactly what would happen to the victims he procured and decided not to intervene. He's culpable whether he participated or not. Bill says there's a difference between procurement and murder. Wendy says that doesn't absolve him. Bill says he's just asking if a teenager can be held responsible for the actions of an adult. He was trying to please Corll and was probably afraid of him. Wendy says Henley was more in thrall of Corll than afraid. Holden wonders if Henley got off on watching Corll kill, referencing Henley saying that he enjoyed what he did. Wendy's not sure what Bill finds defensible about Henley's case. Bill says he just doesn't want to lump him in with other killers and questions if he'd have turned to murder without Corll's influence. Wendy tells him there's no way to know, but he has a deep connection to a man whom he watched do horrible things, who threatened to kill him. Gregg wonders if his need for acceptance superseded any moral boundaries. Wendy wants to talk about their tactics. They wouldn't have gotten the information from Henley if she hadn't ... Holden says she improvised and Bill says she made stuff up. If they're going to teach interviewing, it can't be just strictly following the instrument. Bill says all that's worked is to talk about the killers. They all straighten up when they see Gunn coming. He asks Wendy about Henley, saying he thought it was Holden initially. Gunn excuses Gregg and invites them all to a part at his home. He wants them to talk to AD Wyman directly about their work. Before he leaves, he tells them he got them Manson. They're meeting in three weeks. Wendy wants to think carefully about that because it'll be their first interview with someone who hasn't actually taken a life. It would be valuable to look at him from the team perspective as he was the leader. They agree that's their approach.

Nancy and Bill are in a meeting about Brian. They learn that Brian wasn't at all involved in the death. He was present and admitted that it was his idea to put the body on a cross. Nancy says Brian thought it would bring Daniel back to life. The commonwealth attorney says because of Brian's age and lack of malice, he's not pursuing charges against him. But they can't ignore that he didn't go get help. He was either evading or he has no concept of right and wrong. So they have to understand his motives to make sure he's not a danger to anyone. His case is being transferred for evaluation. They'll have a case worker and mental health professional. Those two will decide where to go with it. They have to comply and it'll determine Brian's future.

As they leave, Art tells Bill and Nancy not to try to sit down with the social worker and explain their way out it. It won't work. It's best to go along with the process. Nancy's upset that it's not over, but Bill's just glad they get to keep Brian at home. They say goodbye to Art and are left alone. Nancy wonders why Bill didn't defend Brian. Bill says they just have to go through the process. It might not be bad for Brian to talk to someone. Nancy says Brian's not defective or a criminal. Bill knows that.

Bill watches Holden, Gregg, and Wendy listen to a tape of Charles Manson singing. Bill comes in and turns off the tape. It's time to start talking objectives. They have to figure out how a man like Manson convinced middle-class teenagers to kill people. Holden puts down pictures of all the killers. They all had good lives, then became runaways and somehow ended up in Manson's Family. Except for the first member, the transformation took less than two years. That first member wasn't involved in the Tate/LaBianca murders because she was arrested two days prior along with another guy because they killed a music producer over a drug deal. They tried to frame the Black Panthers for the murder by painting "Political Piggy" on the wall in the victim's blood. The other scenes also make reference to pigs. Helter Skelter. He was trying to incite a race war. Holden references Krishna Venta, who formed his own religion and declared himself a messiah. He also said a race war was coming. There was a place where they planned to hide and wait it out and then emerge to form a new civilization. It's very similar to Manson's playbook. Manson was part of Venta's church. He took Venta's idea and called it Helter Skelter. Bill says it big question is how a guy like Manson convinces kids like the killers to commit murders like they did.

Mavis Leland looks through Brian's room and asks his parents about him. She then moves to the bathroom and continues her observations. She then looks in Bill and Nancy's bedroom and ask about how they punish bad behavior. Bill tells her he keeps his gun locked at all times.

Outside, Nancy calls Brian over and introduces him to Mavis. Brian refuses to talk to her and Nancy sends him inside. Mavis asks Bill if Brian avoids him. Bill says he's had a tough few weeks. Nancy says they love Brian. He's their baby.

Mavis tells them everything she'll need at her next visit. They get paperwork that explains the process. She'll stop by unannounced to observe and get a baseline behavior. Then they'll determine adjustments to be made. They have weekly appointments to attend. The team will submit reports to the commonwealth attorney and he'll make the final decisions.

Bill and Nancy see Mavis out and she says they'll be seeing her again. Bill says they do the exact same thin, the FBI. They walk the crime scene. Bill warns Nancy that Mavis is not their friend.

**Vacaville, California**

Bill and Holden arrive at California Medical Facility. They show their credentials to get in. Holden puts a book in his bag, which he says is just for research.

Inside, they surrender their weapons and show their badges again. Then they wait in the hallway. A guard comes to tell them he's refusing to come out of his cell, so it'll be a while. Bill's not surprised. Holden asks if Kemper's available. The guard starts to go check, but Bill says they came to see Manson. Holden wants to see Kemper anyway and the guard leaves. Holden says they have to ask Kemper about returning to the scene. They know he did, but Holden wants to know why. He says he'll be fine. Holden also hopes if Manson hears they're talking to Kemper he'll get jealous.

Kemper is recording a book when they come in. He pauses his work and stands to greet them. Kemper talks about Holden's hospital visit, calling him a friend. He knows they're there to talk to Manson because everyone knows everything about "Charlie" because he's all too willing to tell everyone all about it. Manson doesn't know what it's like to take a life and he's not worth their time. He suggests talking to Tex Watson instead if they want to understand what happened. Holden pulls out the tape recorder and says they're not there to talk about Manson. Holden asks about revisiting the scenes. He asks why Kemper did it. He says he could relive the crimes for incredible release. He explains the compulsion to kill and how he could stave it off by remembering the last kill and being at the scene helps with that. For when he couldn't revisit because too many people were around, he had trinkets that he kept as reminders. Holden asks if there's a specific amount of time after which he couldn't stave it off anymore. He asks if Holden has someone he can't catch. He then wants to know who it is. He realizes it's someone who hasn't made the news yet. Holden asks for Kemper's thoughts on that. Kemper needs more information to give his thoughts, but Bill says they can't discuss an active investigation. Kemper says it's a taxing lifestyle. A lot of factors into success. As he got better, he made sure everything went right. The person they're after has a fantasy life about what he's done and what he wants to do, how he'll improve. It will consume him and the real world won't compare. They won't be able to catch him if he's any good. He'll be able to live like anyone else. Holden says the serial killers they know have been marginalized. They don't have the tools to manage real life. Kemper points out that what they know has come from the serial killers who have been caught. A guard then comes to tell them Manson is ready, so they get up to leave. Kemper asks if they saved enough tape for Manson. Holden brought extra, which they'll need because he's a talker. Kemper's trying to write his book, but needs access to a typewriter. Bill says they'll see what they can do. As a final thought, Kemper tells them Manson is really small and holds his hand around his naval to demonstrate. He tells them to try not to stare.

Holden and Bill are led through the prison toward Manson.

As they set up, Holden asks if they should talk to Tex. Bill says Kemper keeps reeling Holden in. Holden says Kemper's the most credible subject they've interviewed. The bar is low, but if Kemper hadn't turned himself in, he could have avoided capture for as long as he wanted. Bill notices that Holden bought a new microphone for Manson. The door opens and Manson is led in. Bill asks for him to be uncuffed all the way and introduces himself and Holden to Manson. He explains why he and Holden are there. They want to hear in his own words what happened. Manson perches himself on a chair. Bill talks about the circumstances of Manson's cases. The Family is still protecting him, even from prison. They've changed their stories, but his has always stayed the same. He says his truth is simple and theirs is complicated. The only truth is now. Bill wants to know more about the Family, how he met them and influenced them. He doesn't believe that's what he did. He says society threw away those people and he picked them up and showed them love. Manson says Bill and the prison guard are teaching their children. Manson just taught them how to stand up. Manson says it's not his fault that their children do what they do, the children they're neglecting. Holden wants to talk about August 9, 1969. Manson says that's the past, but Holden persists in asking about it. Manson continues to insist they have the story wrong. Bill pulls out Holden's book and asks if he's saying that none of it ever happened. Manson says that's exactly what he's saying. He says they all testified what was best for them. He denies trying to start a race war. Sadie started hearing the messages and took it to the press. He then says the original idea was Tex and Sadie's, to get another guy out of prison for murder. He claims he just told them to do what their love tells them to do and he'll do the same. He never told anyone to kill anyone. He then tells Holden and Bill he could kill either of them, but he doesn't want to. He then says he sent one of the kids in to check if Tex had really killed someone. He didn't go himself because entering a crime scene would violate his parole. However, he was at the LaBianca murders. He says he had to be, because Tex tried to make him look weak. Manson argues with Bill over his role in the murders. Bill then calls him a "fucking midget," which makes him laugh. He says Bill's anger is not at Manson, but at himself. A series of bells tells him where to go and when. Manson says the prison is their own minds and he's free. Bill doesn't look free to him. Bill takes the tape recorder to end the interview. Manson grabs the book and signs it and then asks Holden for his sunglasses, which Holden gives him.

As Bill and Holden leave, Bill says Manson can fuck off as far as he's concerned. A guard then stops them and gives Holden back his sunglasses, which Manson claimed he stole from Holden. He was bragging and now he's on his way to solitary.

Bill is still angry about Manson and Holden asks him which of the two situations he thinks is more likely: Manson being forced to go along with Tex and Sadie's copycat murder or a race war predicted by the Beatles. Holden's really not sure the DA didn't lie. He wants to go visit Tex Watson, because he's only an hour away, but Bill says he has to get home. He asks if he can trust Holden to stay and do the interview himself. Holden promises to behave.

Bill grabs his bag and runs into the airport. At the gate, he's told that his flight has already taken off, so he books a red eye.

Nancy and Dr. Moritz are waiting for Bill to arrive. Dr. Moritz doesn't want to start without him because the meeting is meant for both parents. Bill then comes in and apologizes for being late. Dr. Moritz says to be careful about being late for meetings with Mavis. He there to help them and Brian get through the process as easily as possible. They need to figure out Brian's understanding of what happened and his intentions. Nancy tries to explain, but Dr. Moritz says he'll need to hear it from Brian. He asks them about their home life and Bill's job. He asks why Bill was late. Bill explains his work and says he was late because he was in California interviewing Charles Manson. Dr. Moritz is intrigued by that and wants Bill to talk about it more.

Holden talks to Tex Watson about Manson. Since being in prison, he's started to understand more what Manson did. Tex had a good home life as a child, but Manson has a way to making you think things were your idea. He would gather people in a circle, put a chair in the middle, and tell them to imagine a person in the chair that they had to scare to death. Manson would suggest things to do to these people. Those ideas became theirs, but they started with him. He provided them with so many drugs, they didn't know what fear was. By the time he talked about Helter Skelter, they were doing heavy stuff. Holden tells Tex what Manson said about Helter Skelter not being his idea, but Tex says Manson talked about it from the moment he met him. He always thought the world was going to end. It was free, because the end of the world means no consequences. Holden says even then, he thinks he'd know right from wrong, but Tex says his conscience had been taken from him by then. He then asks about the copycat murders. Tex says they were all parts of a whole. Manson said if the black people didn't start he race war soon, they'd have to star it themselves. He chose Cielo Drive because he'd been there before. It was his idea, like everything else. He only went to the house after everything was over. Manson ordered them to kill everyone and make it as gruesome as possible. Tex remembers being in the car and he was drugged, so he kept phasing in and out. Sadie shook him and told him to cut the phone lines. Next thing he knew, they were heading up the driveway and there were headlights. He had a gun in his hand, so he stuck it in the window and pulled the trigger, without a thought or a feeling. Tex says it was the first sin of his life, but he has repented. Holden questions his lack of feeling and he says feeling didn't matter to them. Tex then explains what happened inside the house and the rest of the massacre. Sharon Tate begged them to take her with them, let her have the baby, and then kill her. He says the idea didn't seem crazy, but he kept hearing Manson's voice telling him to kill them all. He did what Manson told him, except going to the other houses. He'd given them a list, but Tex was tired. Stabbing people so much is exhausting. They went back to the ranch and he slept like a baby. Holden asks if Tex would have killed anyone if he hadn't met Manson. He says he prays he wouldn't have, but he knows he had anger in him. He makes it clear that Manson never killed anyone himself. He removed their fear of doing it. Tex is taking responsibility for killing all those people. The Bible tells them all have sinned and all fall short of the glory of God. Those who confess obtain mercy.

Wendy, Gregg, Holden, and Bill are listening to Tex's interview as he talks about being redeemed. Wendy says he's replaced one believe system with another, from Manson to Jesus. She's not concerned with the conflicting stories because neither is a reliable source. She's not sure the interview with Manson was a total loss as Bill thought. He had influence over his followers like Corll had over Henley. He used sex and drugs, but also had an overt philosophy. Helter Skelter is borrowed, but Wendy believes it was more about control than race. What if Tex and Sadie really did come up with the copycat idea. They called Manson's bluff. They were doing what he only talked about. From his perspective, Manson's authority would have been questioned and he'd have to go along with it. At the LaBianca house, Manson went in and tied up the victims, so make it clear it was his idea. He did whatever he could to keep authority over the Family. Control was worth any cost, even seven murders. Holden tells Wendy what happened with the sunglasses. He was willing to go into solitary just to look powerful. Bill's not convinced, citing Tex's account of the brainwashing. Holden points out that Tex didn't dismiss the idea of becoming a killer without Manson's influence. Manson found the right people, people with potential, who just needed their fear removed to do what they did. He just helped them be who they were.

Wendy is heading toward the party when Bill approaches and asks her to escort him in. Nancy isn't coming. He didn't want to drag her to another office thing. He asks Wendy and she says the same thing. As he rings the bell, she asks how painful the party is going to be. He says at least the booze will be good, looking at the house. Gunn opens the door and invites them in. As he walks them in, he gives a rundown. He sends Bill in to the party and thanks Wendy for coming to shill for the FBI. He unzips the top of her dress and then introduces her to Warren Freeman, their liaison with the LEAA. Gunn offers to have a drink sent over to Wendy and she asks for a glass of white wine. He leaves and she's surprised that Warren actually read their reports and is a fan of their work. He is fascinated by her work. She's not what he expected. She's afraid to ask what he did expect, but he tells her he expected more tweed and less form-fitting.

Gunn introduces Bill to George Wyman. They start to talk about the BSU's work. They got Berkowitz to admit that the demon thing was made up, which impresses Wyman.

Warren tells a bored Wendy that she's very compelling. He doesn't think she should spend so much time in solitary pursuits because she might not be aware of her ... effect on people. He asks what they're doing there. She says every job has its politics, but he means that they could be somewhere else together. She just tells him no. He tries to persist, so she calls over Holden and introduces him. She tries to excuse herself to the bathroom and to get a drink, but Warren offers to get her a drink so they can finish their conversation.

Bill is telling the others about Manson and the sunglasses when Holden approaches and Gunn introduces him. Bill excuses himself and leaves them with Holden. Holden starts to explain their work, but is boring the others.

Bill spots Wendy and asks how she escaped. He tells her it's cheating to hide with the wives. She tells him about Warren Freeman. Bill knows of him. He's popular with the secretaries and wives. Wendy got away by grabbing the first passing body, Holden. She should have known it would be bad. She asks how the war stories went. He isn't sure what he's selling. He tells her he has things going on at home. She asks if he's okay and he tells her what happened with Brian. They have to go through court-mandated protocols. Nancy's not understanding that Brian might need help. She won't leave Brian alone either, which is the real reason she's not at the party. Wendy offers her help, whatever he needs. He asks for her discretion. Holden doesn't know. Bill looks inside and says everyone looks bored, so they should go back in and perform life support. Wendy says she might just sneak out and he doesn't blame her.

Wendy walks toward Warren, who wants to finish their conversation somewhere quieter. She tells him she's not feeling well. He offers her a ride home, but she says she's fine to drive. She also insists on walking out herself.

Gunn tells Bill he's been invited to speak at the directors' retreat and Gunn accepted for him. It's a great country club and face time with the director.

Bill steps in with Holden and starts telling the story more charismatically.

Jim calls Holden with news from Atlanta. Another body, a twelve year old named Clifford Jones. He was collecting cans for change so his aunt could do laundry and it was broad daylight. He's the 13th. As Holden takes down notes, he notices that when Manson signed his book, he wrote, "Each night as you sleep, I destroy the world." above it.

## Cast

* Holden Ford
* Bill Tench
* Wendy Carr
* Nancy Tench
* Ted Gunn
* Kay Manz
* Gregg Smith
* Ed Kemper
* Tex Watson
* Charles Manson
* ADT Serviceman
* Commonwealth Attorney
* Art Spencer
* Mavis Leland
* Brian Tench
* CMF Guard #2
* CMF Guard #1
* Gate Agent
* Dr. Moritz
* Gretchen Gunn (right)
* Warren Freeman
* George Wyman (right)
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### Main Cast

* Jonathan Groff as Holden Ford
* Holt McCallany as Bill Tench
* Anna Torv as Dr. Wendy Carr
* Stacey Roca as Nancy Tench
* Michael Cerveris as Assistant Director Ted Gunn
* Lauren Glazier as Kay Manz
* Joe Tuttle as Gregg Smith

### Also Starring

* Albert Jones as Jim Barney (voice only)
* Cameron Britton as Edmund Kemper
* Christopher Backus as Tex Watson
* Damon Herriman as Charles Manson

### Other Cast

* Sonny Valicenti as ADT Serviceman
* David Healy as Commonwealth Attorney
* Nate Corddry as Detective Art Spencer
* Emily Bergl as Mavis Leland
* Zachary Scott Ross as Brian Tench
* Eli Everett as CMF Guard #2
* Brian Stapf as CMF Guard #1 (far right)
* Liza Fernandez as Gate Agent
* Erik Jensen as Dr. Moritz
* Tammy Felice as Gretchen Gunn
* Robert Farrior as Warren
* Christopher Grove as AD Wyman

## Cases

### Charles Manson Interview

Gunn finally got them granted an interview with Charles Manson. They prepared for the interview by deciding what they wanted to asked about, to understand how a man like Manson convinced people to kill. Holden informed the others of a man who had claimed to be the messiah and started his own church, before Manson. Manson had attended that man's church. At the actual interview, Manson continuously denied having influenced the others to kill. He claimed that he picked up people society cast aside and tried to build them back up. He also denied trying to start a race war. During the interview, Bill got worked up and called Manson a name, which seemed to delight Manson. After arguing with him, Bill packed up and ended the interview abruptly. Manson asked if he could have Holden's sunglasses and Holden gave them to him. Holden soon after learned that Manson bragged that he had stolen them and got himself put in solitary confinement.

### Ed Kemper Interview

Before their Manson interview, Bill and Holden went to see Ed Kemper, to ask him about BTK returning to the scene of his crimes. They talked about Manson first, saying that if they wanted to know and understand, they should talk to Tex Watson instead. Then they asked him about revisiting his scenes. He said he could re-live the experience and get release. He explained that killing became a compulsion and he could sometimes stave off the need by remembering a previous kill. He also kept trinkets, souvenirs, for when he couldn't visit a site. He realized they were asking because of another killer they couldn't catch. He told them the guy they were after had a fantasy life and was working toward improving how he hunted and killed people. When Holden stated what they knew about serial killers, Ed noted that everything he knew came from people who got caught.

### Tex Watson Interview

Holden went alone to interview Tex Watson. Tex talked about finding Manson and being glad because it was better than going through life alone. He explained how Manson prepared them to become murderers. He also talked about the many drugs Manson gave them and how he constantly talked about a race war. He said all the murders were Manson's idea, but he never participated because he didn't like getting his hands dirty. He instructed them to make it as gruesome as possible and kill them all. He described the murders and noted that he'd repented through the grace of God. When listening to the recording, Wendy said he'd replaced Manson with God. Wendy proposed that they may have come up with the idea and Manson was forced to go along in order not to lose authority. Wendy also believed that Manson just removed the fear and allowed the Family to be who they were.

### Atlanta Child Murders

Jim Barney called Holden to tell them another body had been found, a 12-year-old named Clifford Jones.

## See Also

 **#02** | "Episode 2.2"
 **#03** | "Episode 2.3"