Episode 2.4

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**Episode 2.4** is the fourth episode of the second season and the 14th overall episode of **Mindhunter**.

## Short Summary

Holden develops a controversial profile in the Atlanta slayings. Wendy conducts her first interview and finds being on the front lines suits her well.

## Full Summary

A man pulls up next to a kid who is walking home and asks if he needs a ride. The kid says his destination isn't far. He offers the kid $2 for a job, but he has to get in the car. The kid agrees and climbs in. He asks for his $2, but the driver says he has to do the job first.

The car pulls up next to another car. Holden and Gregg are inside. The driver says that's four and asks if they want to keep doing that all day. They say it's enough. The driver asks what to do with the kids now. They say to show them his badge, tell them never to get in a car with a stranger again, and take them for ice cream. The kid in the passenger seat says he wants his two dollars and the other kids say they also want theirs. Holden hands over the money and tells the agent to give the kids each two dollars.

**Sandtown, Maryland**

Gregg approaches four black kids who are playing. He says he has a project and they'll pay them each two dollars an hour if they help him. They ask if he's a cop. He stutters and tries to deflect, but they say he's supposed to say if he is. They tell him to pull his dick out because a cop wouldn't show his dick. A woman yells out the window to tell him to let the kids play. He apologizes and quickly leaves as she says she won't let her grandkids talk to strangers.

Bill is looking over crime scene photos. He gets into his cabinet and pulls out another file. Then he calls the Fairfield Police Department and asks for Frank McGraw. Instead he gets Detective Needham, who tells him McGraw is no longer with them. Bill asks for a phone number and Needham says that McGraw has died. He was found sitting in front of his TV. Needham took over his cases. Bill asks him about the Ada Jeffries case. Needham says it went cold. There was nothing to go on. Bill gives his condolences about McGraw and hangs up.

Wendy calls to Bill and tells him that Holden has something to talk to them about. Bill comes in and Holden tells them about the children in Atlanta. Eleven have gone missing. Eight have been found dead. None of the cases are solved. There aren't suspects or leads. Holden has made a map of where they disappeared and where bodies were found. Bill asks if he was asked to consult on the case and he admits that he wasn't. Bill says they can't get involved. Gunn comes in and Holden tells him about the case. Gunn's heard of the case and they talk about it. Gunn thinks it could be an opportunity. He sits down to hear Holden talk about the profile. Most of the children disappeared during the normal course of their lives. All are between 7 and 14. All but two are male. They have no murder scenes. Just body dumps. There are indicators of a compulsive killer. He thinks they're looking for a black male in his mid- to late-twenties. That's all he has so far. No white person could go unnoticed in the neighborhood. They have no eyewitness accounts. Gunn asks what Bill thinks. Bill's less certain. He thinks more work needs to be done. He's not even sure the cases are connected. Wendy says nothing he's said is scientific at all. The profile has common sense, but they need support for it. Gunn says it's below their radar for now, but tells them to keep current with it. Gunn tells Holden to use that instinct of his.

Wendy pulls up to a place and checks herself in the mirror before getting out. Kay comes out and Wendy realizes she's overdressed. Wendy asks where they're going, but Kay just says she's going to love it.

Wendy steps up in her stockings to bowl a gutter ball. She thinks she'd do better in the proper footwear, but doesn't want to wear rental shoes. Kay has an unfair advantage. Kay kicks off her shoes and steps up to bowl a strike. Wendy asks how she does it and she says it's clean living. Kay asks if Wendy should be a professor or something. The FBI doesn't seem to suit her. Wendy says she was nearly a professor, but it wasn't for her. She's fascinated by extreme people and at Quantico, she gets to study them up close. Wendy asks if she dates a lot. She says she dates a fair amount, but never an FBI agent before. She corrects that she's a consultant. Kay says most of her dates go to the same barber, meaning they're more masculine than Wendy. Kay asks about Wendy dating. Wendy says she was with someone for a long time, but Kay correctly guesses that the FBI doesn't know she's gay. Wendy says it's easier to compartmentalize that part of her life. Kay says that won't work. She then steps up and gives Wendy a lighter bowling ball to use. She then stand behind Wendy and gives her tips on how to bowl. She throws the ball and knocks over a couple pins. Kay says it's not bad for her first time. Kay then asks about the person Wendy was with for a long time. Wendy says it was a cliché. She was the bright, young student and Annalise was the wise professor. So wise that Wendy sought her approval, which she never got. Wendy asks about Kay, why she's tending bar. Kay says it's a great way to pick up chicks. Wendy says she was Kay's only prospect in there. Wendy asks if there's something else she'd like to do that's ... better. Kay says she doesn't think everyone's life has to be about their jobs. She gets to be herself at the bar and the guys, she's sometimes the only person in their lives not judging them. She doesn't have to hide who she is. Wendy asks if that's the most important thing. Kay didn't used to think so, but she made herself a promise to live with as much honesty as possible. She's comforted knowing she's already done the worst thing she can do with her life. She left her husband and blew everything up. She'd done what everyone else wanted. She had a kid. Tom's a great dad, but he's going to be mad at her until he isn't anymore. She's not sure she's ready to be a mom, but she's certainly not ready to be a wife. Wendy's surprised, but she's glad Kay's honest. Kay leans in and the two of them kiss.

Wendy talks about Dean Corll, the dominant partner in a killing team. He was known as The Candy Man because he would give free candy to teenage boys, then rape, torture, and kill them. They killed 28 boys. Holden questions why someone would get in a car for tootsie rolls, but Bill clarifies that candy is a euphemism for drugs. Holden and Bill agree to read up on him, but Wendy says he's dead. Their subject is the man who killed him, Elmer Wayne Henley, Jr.. Henley met Corll when he was 14. He was then believed to have assisted in around twenty of the murders, though he claims he only lured the boys in. In one confession, he confessed to killing six, before he got a lawyer. Wendy wants to focus on the partner dynamic of the case. Henley and David Brooks, another young man, were acolytes of Corll's. They procured victims with drugs or alcohol while Corll waited. Once they were inebriated, he would tie them to his body board, where he would rape, torture, and then kill them. They think Henley was the one to pick the victims. Corll gave him money for each kid he lured in. Henley himself was brought to Corll as a victim, but talked his way out of it and instead of turning Corll in, he joined him. They wonder how he progressed from victim to participant and then avenger. Henley brought Corll a boy and a girl. Corll wasn't happy about the girl, so he tied all three of them to the body board. Henley again talked Corll into release him, but this time, he shot him. Gregg says it's homosexual jealousy. Wendy corrects that sexuality is relevant, but it's not causal to violence. Gregg says homosexuality is a deviance itself. Wendy reminds him that it's been removed from the DSM as a disorder and is now considered a sexual orientation disturbance. Wendy wants to understand the influence Corll had over Henley and what was the driving impulse. What did they get out of the partnership. A agent brings in a note for Bill, saying Gunn wants to see them in his office. They all get up, but Bill clarifies to Gregg that he only meant the three of them. They leave Gregg alone in the room.

Gunn tells them that another child is missing in Atlanta. They received a random call this time, which said the child was in Alabama and the captor wanted $200. Because he crossed state lines, the FBI now has jurisdiction. A case agent has been assigned and they're looking at racial motivation. The killer sounded white. Gunn wants to send both of them to look into it. He wants them to stay for the duration. They're going in under the guise of the kidnapping, but he tells them to let the case agent handle that and focus on the larger picture. Bill and Holden start to leave, while Wendy has taken a seat and doesn't make to get up. Gunn tells her to remain in close contact with them. The case is getting attention and he wants their methods to be scientifically incontestable. She gets up and leaves.

In the elevator, Holden says that while the caller may be white, there's no way he's picking up the kids. Bill doesn't want to rule anything out. Wendy wonders why she was even in the meeting. She thinks Gunn was just placating her. She asks how many cases there are and Holden tells her this one's the 12th. She asks how long it would typically take to solve 12 murders. She gets off the elevator without waiting for an answer.

Gregg says Holden told him to cancel the Henley interview and asks Wendy when he should reschedule. She doesn't know because he's focused on the murdered children in Atlanta. They'll be in Atlanta until the case is resolved. Gregg says he could interview Henley instead. That's why he transferred there. They did the research and they should do it together. Wendy puts the file down and pushes it across the table to him.

**Atlanta, Georgia**

Holden and Bill arrive in Atlanta and go inside the task force building, where they see various men talking about cases. Holden notices there's not a lot of work going on in there. Jim Barney comes downstairs to greet them. Jim's on the case full time now. Jim says they're mostly just waiting. They've only been in the building for a week and it feels more like a political response. They talk about the newest case. The case agent got sidetracked talking to the others about the case. They go over and Jim introduces them to Ken Robbins from the Memphis Office. Robbins knows of Bill and Holden. Robbins says the case will be over by 8:00 and wonders if they can make an early tee time in the morning. Holden looks at the map they have set up and Robbins says it's where the call's supposed to come in. They plan to stake it out. Holden asks about where the kid was taken. He was kicked out of a pool and disappeared. Robbins thinks he just wandered off or ran away. Holden sees how thin the file on the case is and notes the complete lack of effort they've put in on it. Jim gets the other case files for them to go over. The safety commissioner and mayor's right hand is coming over later and wants to meet the FBI.

On the plane, Wendy tells Gregg to fall back on protocol always, work through the questions. Gregg wants to spend more time on the family section and watch Henley's reaction. They talk about why Henley would have been attracted to Corll, being older. Henley once helped a family hang missing posters for a victim. A year later, he delivered the kid's brother to Corll. Gregg wonders how anyone could do that. Wendy says they might finally get their answers. He thanks her for coming along, but she says she can't believe she didn't suggest it herself. Henley's family history will be important, so they can't let that go.

Gregg and Wendy are driving and he asks if she's ever been in a prison. She says yes, in grad school. She makes more notes of things to ask him, but Gregg asks her about what prison is like. She says it was like summer camp with razor wire. She was left un supervised, but never felt unsafe.

**Huntsville, Texas**

Gregg and Wendy drive into the prison.

Wendy tells Gregg he doesn't have to read the waiver, but he says he doesn't sign anything without reading it first. He's unsettled by the terms, but Wendy isn't worried, even when he tells her women are always raped during hostage situations. She merely tells them that it's not exclusively women getting raped.

Gregg turns on the tape recorder and states who's in the room with him. He then thanks Henley for meeting with them. Gregg tries to explain what they do and tries to start with Henley's family, but Henley doesn't want to talk about his family. He's okay with them coming, but he's staying outright what he will and will not address. He won't talk about his schooling either. He skips military, too, and moves on to job stability. Henley won't give a straight answer, so Gregg goes to sleep. Henley asks if all the questions are stupid. Gregg tries to explain that they're there to talk about Dean Corll and Henley's participation, but Henley denies that he participated in anything. He signed an affidavit, but still denies killing anyone. He does admit he killed Corll, but claims self-defense. Gregg starts flipping through papers, apologizing, and calls him Wayne, which triggers anger from him. He says he's Junior or Mr. Henley, but not Elmer Wayne, or Elmer, or Wayne. Wendy asks if he doesn't like his father's name. Henley's surprised to hear her talk. He thought she was brought in to throw him off. When Wendy asks about his father again, Henley says he thought they came to talk about him. Wendy says they know Henley's father hurt him and his mother when he was a child. She asks if that's why he was drawn to Dean Corll. His mother told police that Corll was like a father to him. Henley says they don't know what they're talking about. He says they don't want to know what really happened. Wendy insists that she does. Wendy makes more observations about his father and strokes his ego. When she asks if he saw Corll as a father figure, he asks who her father figure was and asks if her daddy hurt her. Wendy says she was in a relationship similar to the one he had with Dean. She was Wendy's boss and mentor as well as her lover. Henley doesn't believe her, but she continues saying that the woman used her power to control her. She never saw that until the relationship was over. Henley still thinks she's lying, though she says she's not. She knows what it feels like to be caught between someone you admire and a lot of bad decisions. She's not interested in relitigating his case and says he's free to talk about them if he wants. She's there instead to understand who he is, not assign blame. She just wants his side of the story. Henley starts talking about meeting Corll when he was 14. He was quiet, a loner. Henley was curious about him and wanted to know his deal. He got along with everyone, but no one ever knew what he was thinking. He had a steady job, unlike Henley and offered to play Henley and David Brooks to rob houses for him. He needed money, so he agreed. But then he asked them to get kids for a sex ring for "faggots" instead. Wendy asks what he thought about that, but he didn't think much because he got $200 each. That was before he said anything about killing. Then he asked if Henley could kill if he was cornered or something. Wendy asks if he believed himself capable of murder. He said he wondered what it was like. Everyone has, even if they don't want to admit it. She asks if he fantasized about killing before meeting Dean. He says no. Wendy asks about him telling police that he was originally brought to Dean as a potential victim. He showed Henley his handcuffs and other stuff. He told Corll he didn't go that way. Wendy says from his own experience, he knew that anyone brought to Corll would be assaulted. Henley was he only thought about the money. Corll let him pick the boys and trusted him. Corll said he was a good talker, so he could get anyone. He wanted white, good looking, and young. He founds whoever was easiest to get. Wendy said the easiest must have been kids he already knew. Henley says he didn't do anything and doesn't like Wendy looking at him like he did. She references his affidavit, but he says that's not how it happened. He never killed anyone. Except Corll, in self-defense. He just watched Corll do it and kept bringing him victims. It was never by his choice or want or need. Wendy points out that he stayed in the house and wonders why he'd stay if he didn't want to participate. He says Corll wanted him to stay and Wendy says he wanted to please Corll. He says Corll was good to him, even if he wasn't all good. Wendy asks what it was like to kill Corll. She thinks it must have been difficult to kill the one person who had treated him with respect. Henley says it was actually cool. Corll taught him, if he was ever in a position where he needed to shoot someone, to shoot until they hit the ground rather than stopping. He shot Corll three times. Then Corll passed him and he shot Corll three more times in the back, until he hit the ground. He would have been proud of Henley. He thinks Corll was proud right before he died. He says he killed Corll to get away from him. He never got up enough nerve to do it until he did it. Wendy asks what gave him the nerve and he says he just didn't want to anymore. She asks if waking up handcuffed had no impact on him. He says of course it did and he had to defend himself. She asks if he ever considered that Corll saw him in the same light as the other boys. Henley, angry, says he's not a "faggot". He was a playboy in high school. People knew running with him meant running with chicks. Wendy says that's not what she asked and asks if Corll ever made a pass at him. Henley says even if Corll did, he's not a "homo". Corll never touched him and he never touched Corll. Wendy says she never said he did, but Henley says she was thinking it. She came in with her lizzie sob story and it takes a queer to know one. He leans in close to the tape recorder and repeats that he's no "faggot". Wendy says he's not a "faggot", not a rapist, and not a killer. Henley says what happened was a boy got involved with a murderer. Wendy says David Brooks told the police that Henley seemed to enjoy inflicting pain and that's why he killed. Henley scoffs and says his motto is if to enjoy what you do, or you'll go crazy. So he tried to enjoy whatever he was doing and not dwell on it later. He feels remorse now and he's glad it's over, but there's not real heartfelt emotion from him about it.

Bill's going over the case files and says more bodies is making it even harder to see a pattern. There's even two female victims and they've never seen a sexual predator cross genders. Jim hangs up the phone and tells Bill his wife called. Bill goes to the phone and starts to dial, but stops when Chief Morris Redding and Commissioner Lee Brown walk in. Brown's been trying to meet with anyone from the FBI for a while. Jim introduces them to Robbins and says Robbins will walk them through the plan, which he does. Brown asks if the FBI is helping with the other cases as well and Jim points out Holden and Bill and explains the BSU. Brown asks what their role is in the kidnap and recovery. Holden says he's not sure there is one. Holden says it doesn't fit the pattern. Brown wants to hear more about the pattern. Holden say it's not random. There's a method to his victim selection. He's choosing young boys. He believes there's a predator. Other things suggest there's a single killer, too. The killings are personal and may be sexual. Sexual gratification can come from the violence. He's looking for pubescent children. Even the older children were small for their ages. They'd appear younger. Brown finds it fascinating. Holden says he has a profile. He thinks the killer is black because no one white could take children without being noticed. He might drive an ice cream truck or police car which would disarm kids. Bill notices they seem unbelieving, so he says they work methodically. Brown doesn't doubt that. He shakes their hands and leaves with Redding. Jim gives Bill a note that his wife called twice more.

Bill goes to the back and calls his wife. Nancy says he has to come home because the police want to talk to Brian. Art Spencer wants both parents to be there when they do. Bill tells her not to let him talk to Brian until he gets back. Bill says he's getting on the next plane and he'll be there as soon as he can. Nancy tells him to hurry.

Bill tells Jim and Holden he has a family emergency. He lies that Nancy's mom had a fall and there's no one to watch Brian until tomorrow, so he has to go home. He says he'll be back tomorrow, but has to go.

Gregg asks Wendy how she came up with the story about the woman she had a relationship with. It was the exact right story at the exact right time. Gregg himself froze, but Wendy says Henley was just particularly hostile toward him. He's worried about having had that kind of moment on tape, which his colleagues will hear.

Holden enters a building where the committee to stop the child murders is located. Camille Bell is irritated, but he says his hands were tied before. But he's back officially now. Six more children have gone missing. Three have turned up dead. It's taken a lot of convincing, but Holden's convinced the FBI to get there because of the newest kidnapping, Earl Terrell. He tells her about his meeting with Brown. She also met with Brown, two weeks ago, right after a press conference. Camille's not convinced they're really working on the cases. She asks what he can do for them. He has all the FBI's resources behind him now. Camille asks if they're looking into the KKK, because she knows the police won't because many of them were in the KKK. Holden can't discuss specifics, but no one's being ruled out. Camille says Jeffrey's still missing and his mother hasn't heard a word from anyone. Camille wants Holden to keep in touch. She offers him some cornbread for $1 on his way out.

Robbins sits with the missing boy's mother as they wait for a call. It's been four hours and the call hasn't come. He apologizes. She still hopes the call will come. The commissioner arrives and tells Beverly Belt he's sorry. Vickie Terrell is still hoping there will be a call about Earl. Brown says when the kidnapper calls, they'll get Earl back safe.

Outside, Brown admits that Holden's right about it not being a kidnapping. Brown wants them to stay another hour and then pack up. Holden says they can focus on reviewing the other cases now, but Brown says without the kidnapping, it's not a federal case anymore. Holden doesn't want to leave, but Brown says he has to because FBI no longer has jurisdiction. Holden is shocked.

Holden's upset to be asked to leave. Jim explains that the mayor getting the FBI there shows he has clout and looks good, but it doesn't look good to say that there's a predator out there, especially since they're looking for a black man. Holden says denying that there's a predator will make it harder to find him.

Bill pays the taxi driver and gets out at his house. Inside, he asks Art what's happening. Art tells him to talk to Nancy. Bill goes out back, where Nancy is crying. Brian's watching TV. Nancy tried to tell them to wait for Bill, but they didn't even have to ask Brian. They asked her if she'd ever taken Brian to the house and if he'd seen her open the lockbox. Brian heard them and came into the kitchen. He had the key to the house. He was at the house. He took the kids to the house. They killed the little boy. It was an accident. The older boys already told the police the story, and Brian just confirmed it. It was Brian's idea to put him on a cross. Nancy starts sobbing and Bill holds her.

## Cast

* Holden Ford
* Bill Tench
* Wendy Carr
* Nancy Tench
* Ted Gunn
* Gregg Smith
* Jim Barney
* Kay Manz
* Camille Bell
* Elmer Wayne Henley Jr.
* Kid #1
* Kids (in backseat)
* Agent/Driver
* Kids
* Baltimore Grandmother
* Agent Ken Robbins
* Texas Prison Guard
* Commissioner Lee Brown
* Chief Morris Redding
* Beverly Belt
* Vickie Terrell (left)
* Art Spencer
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### Main Cast

* Jonathan Groff as Holden Ford
* Holt McCallany as Bill Tench
* Anna Torv as Dr. Wendy Carr
* Stacey Roca as Nancy Tench
* Michael Cerveris as Assistant Director Ted Gunn
* Joe Tuttle as Gregg Smith
* Albert Jones as Jim Barney
* Lauren Glazier as Kay Manz

### Also Starring

* June Carryl as Camille Bell
* Robert Aramayo as Elmer Wayne Henley, Jr.

### Other Cast

* Matthew Southers, Jr. as Kid #1
* Rashad Terry Freeman, Jr. as Kid #5
* Carl Hendrick Louis as Agent/Driver
* Jaiden Edwards as Kid #6
* Jordan Banks as Kid #7
* Davon Reynolds as Kid #8
* Malcolm Thompson as Older Kid #3
* Jaquae Addison Pascal as Kid #2
* Roderick Byrd as Kid #3
* Jimar Mangham as Kid #4
* Thea Camara as Baltimore Grandmother
* PJ Marshall as Agent Robbins
* Christopher Artis Wright as Texas Prison Guard
* Dohn Norwood as Commissioner Lee Brown
* Gareth Williams as Chief Redding
* Siovhan Christensen as Beverly Belt
* Brandy Grant as Vickie Terrell
* Nate Corddry as Detective Art Spencer

## Cases

### Atlanta Child Murders

Holden used Gregg and a black agent to demonstrate that black kids won't get in a car with a stranger unless that stranger is black. Holden talked to Wendy, Gregg, and Bill about his findings and the profile he was developing. Gunn later told them another kid had been taken and they got a ransom call. Gunn wanted them to use that as a way in to focus on all the cases. He told them to follow their instincts. When they arrived, they talked to the cops assigned to the case and found they hadn't done much and were banking on the ransom call to catch the guy. They met with the commissioner and talked about their plan. Holden then told them about his profile, saying he was sure the killer was black. Holden went to talk to the mothers, who were upset because he wouldn't say they were looking into the KKK. That evening, the ransom call didn't come in as schedule, upsetting the missing child's mother. The commissioner then told Holden that he had to leave because they didn't have jurisdiction without the kidnapping.

### Elmer Wayne Henley, Jr. Interview

Wendy told the others about Elmer Wayne Henley, Jr., who killed Dean Corll after assisting him in multiple murders. He claimed that his only role was to procure victims, though he'd previous confessed to some of the murders. Wendy wanted to focus specifically on the partnership aspect. She wanted to know how each of them benefitted from the partnership and how Corll held power over Henley. When Bill and Holden had to go to Atlanta, Gregg suggested they do the interview instead. Gregg started by asking Henley about his family, but he said he didn't want to talk about that or his job history or medical history. Then Gregg asked him about Corll's death and his participation in the murders. Henley said he didn't kill anyone or participate in anything. He was defending himself against Corll. Wendy said they knew that Henley's father hurt him. Henley didn't believe they really wanted to know what happened. Wendy asked if Corll was like a father figure to him. Henley resisted the question. Wendy then told of a relationship she was in that she believed was similar to his with Corll. She was her mentor, boss, and lover. She used her authority to control Wendy, who didn't see it until the relationship was over. She said she only wanted his side of the story. He said he met Corll when he was 14. Corll then offered him $200 each to get boys for a sex ring. He then asked Henley if he could kill someone if he were cornered, but said he never fantasized about killing before meeting Corll. He talked about recruiting boys for Corll. Henley continued to maintain that he never killed anyone but Corll. Wendy pointed out that he stayed in the house and he said it was because Corll wanted him to stay. Wendy asked why he wanted to please Corll. She asked if it was hard for him to kill Corll, the only person who ever treated him well. He said it wasn't hard. He did it just like Corll said to, he shot him until he was down on the ground. When she pressed him about how he felt about the killings, he snapped and yelled that he wasn't gay. He also declared he didn't regret his involvement.

### Daniel Dickinson

Nancy called Bill to tell him that the police wanted to talk to Brian about Daniel's death. When he got home, he learned that Brian was playing with some older kids and things got out of hand, leading to Daniel being killed by the older kids. Brian watched the whole thing and it was his idea to put Daniel on the cross.

## Music

 "Ashes to Ashes"
 "China Grove"
 "More Than a Feeling"

## See Also

 **#02** | "Episode 2.2"
 **#03** | "Episode 2.3"