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Okay that makes a lot of sense. The Onion Farms consists of banned members of Kiwifarms who actively ignore the "look but don't touch" rule and like many of Kiwifarms' imitators, just fall flat on their face as they mostly attack specific lolcows (mostly women) and eat themselves.
However none of this even relevant and honestly, I think it's safe to say that we're just fucking sick of tired of talking about the dude and want to move on. He ended up getting away with it and just talking about him gives him more the reason to antagonize even more. So let's just agree with the fact that PFC is just a piece of miserable shit and move on.
- https://forum.agoraroad.com/index.php?threads/iceberg-thread.5007/post-78147

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> IlluminatiPirate said:
> They are just miserable people, let them waste their life away. I removed the link because I don't want anything to do with them.
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I'm still baffled that he's real. It may be we all bought into the theory that he was a troll because of how outlandish his character was.

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> Where did you find this? I actually tried being active in the search in the early days, but gave up quickly lol. Have there been any new updates?
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I found the iceberg on a Saki sub-reddit. Concerning the search however, the majority of semi organized search groups are inactive and seem to have disbanded. Despite there being leads discovered at the height of the Whang videos most turned out to be hoaxes, unconfirmed or misinterpreted screenshots that were completely unrelated to the original 4Chan post.

The general consensus is that "Saki Sanobashi" is a hoax. Though it's still possible that the original Saki poster (not referring to the unconfirmed Saki OP) was misremembering a majority of the vague details they mentioned. Similar to Clockman, where the OP had misremembered pretty much all of the details and the OVA was found by chance. And considering that Guro is very poorly archived and looked down upon, it's not surprising in the slightest that it's lost. For all we know, it could literally just be a doujin like Dokumushi that's either been used as an inspiration for a troll post, lost, misremembered or a combination of all of those. Saki Sanobashi is more likely to be an indie doujin in my opinion.

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>talk about them living rent free in our heads

>making entire threads about a website theyre banned from on separate forums
>lurk just to take screenshots of people talking shit about them
lol, lmao even

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So... Can we say PFC and Agora are united in our mutual seething for each other?

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> So... Can we day PFC and Agora are united in our mutual seething for each other?
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I'm more surprised that PFC and nagol have now interacted with each other, and in a non-argumentative way, even.

cars are strange yet my dad is car...does that mean my dad is strange desu? desu???? DESU?!?!?

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>agora road social medias (Facebook, Twitter, Youtube etc.)

>Pirate shilling on >Reddit and Nairaland

*>Pregnant Agora-chan*

>Melon

>Furry Road and bronies

>Jesuits

>Bots on Agora Road

>Cult of Ankha

>Illuminati Pirate is an actual member of the Illuminati

>Agora Road is a psyop

>"Agora Road is a psyop" is a psyop

>Agora Toad

>E-zine

>Abandoned chats

>Agora Road writers club

>y2k underground

>Silk road

>Cult of agora-chan

>Old names/users who changed names

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>Japan meetup

>Agora Road secret underground Kabukicho club

>Astral projection is communist [DO NOT RESEARCH]

>AIR book club (It's not happening)

>AIR book club (It IS happening)

>Trees

>Third coming of Christ browses /jp/

>Research [DO NOT RESEARCH]

>Internet Gnomes

>Jesus is a mushroom

>Agora-chan and Mel lemon fanfictions and fanart [DO NOT RESEARCH]

>Everyone's username is real

>Agora Road is a real road

>Nikpill

>/x/ ads

>totsugeki

>posting on the forum is covert NSA training

>the server rewrites posts with subliminal steganography

>The L. in L. Rhodes stands for [REDACTED]

>The road is purgatory and our souls are being judged by MTTS

>Hedgehog Dilema's posts are all anagrams of excerpts of the Tibetan Book of the Dead

>Secret user whose posts you can only see once you reach level 9

>Higher user level means equates to higher psychic prowess

>Editing posts resets the universe's timeline

>Agora Road is a hotbed for right-wing extremism

>Winston Files Leak

>Agora online games

>Agora webring

>NintendoChalmers

>Vaporwavemaster1

>The pre-forum era

>Agora-cities

>Female users

>Cursed Agora-cities Angel Event [DO NOT RESEARCH]

>Do not research into Agora Road Subscriptions

>Misuzu's Autism Shack (actual longest thread)

>Disillusion is a remake of Polybius

>Secret chatroom for the elite members

>PFC is Manpaint conspiracy [Do NOT research!!!]

>The protagonist from Digital Seclusion is an Agora Road user

>Naglobud's wife

>Agora is the Web3.0 evolution of Worlds MMO

>Mel is real 2401

>r/agoraroad

>Heavens Gate connection

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>Kolph's 5-second E-girl phase [DEFINITELY Do NoT rEsEaRcH]

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>The psychic vampire killing Agora Road

>The radio show

>The Agora Discord server

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>Angora-chan vs Agora Ankha

>Sweet n Comfy age of marriage [UNIRONICALLY WHAT DID HE MEAN BY THIS]

>E-zine issue 0

>The 1-in-a-million random quote on the front page

>At 3:33 AM, the Windows XP Gold theme turns into Windows XP Silver theme

>Parkcity award

>Latin American takeover of the forum

>Accounts created in 2017

>The indonesian hack

>The forum rollbacks in 2022 were ordered by the CIA to erase certain posts

>Ruby Pentagon (dark Ruby Hexagon)

>Cats, the greatest effortposter

>The e-celeb posse

>That time that the alien picture got posted on Agora

>How gangtags are actually meant to be used

>IlluminatiPirate Nairaland investigation

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>The man in the banana suit (DO NOT RESEARCH)

>Chinese copypasta on the main page

>Analpope (his Holeiness will never die)

>The 2016 thread

>Unobtained awards

>Remember Winter Days (dark Remember Summer Days)

>The Shiori/Fagen avatar debate

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>everyone's username is real (my father is actually a car, @Andy Kaufman is actually the real andy kaufman who faked his death, @Jackeline actually was king of the cheetahs etc)

cars are strange yet my dad is car...does that mean my dad is strange desu? desu???? DESU?!?!?

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   >Agoraroad is a psyop

No, no, you've got it all wrong. "Agora road is a psyop" is a psyop. C'mon man I thought you were claiming to be an expert here.

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>agora road is a real road

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\* posting on the forum is covert NSA training

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\* the L. in L. Rhodes stands for [REDACTED]

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The road is purgatory and our souls are being judged by MTTS.

Hedgehog dilema's post are all anagrams of excerpts of the tibetian book of the dead

Secret user whose posts you can only see once you reach level 9

Higher user level equates to higher psychic prowess

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How many of you knew you could play games directly on Agora Road? https://forum.agoraroad.com/?pages/macintosh-oregon-trail-game/

A lot of the weird banners on the webring page would make good entries too: https://forum.agoraroad.com/?pages/webring/ Some of these sites are pretty bizarrehttps://uncannyvalley.neocities.org/

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   >japan meetup

That actually sorta happened tho

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I can make this happen, we can connect it with the Agora road writers club

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   That actually sorta happened tho

Yes or No threads happened too, and the whole Melon debacle was fairly significant.

I'm somewhat new, so I'm not sure how many of the entries are jokes and how many are legit history, but they aren't all jokes.

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If we're gonna cover esoteric lore, we gotta include nagolbud's Agora Outpost

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   Yes or No threads happened

>nes or yo?

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> Agora Road is a hotbed for right-wing extremism

"Arguing that you don't care about privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say." - Edward Snowden

How to ask smart questions

I use Arch btw. :melhpy:

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I think the very top should just say "internet"

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Honestly I thought the Agora Outpost was a good spirited contribution on Naglobud's part. It showed a fun and even communal side of him that I wish he showed more, instead he prefered REEEEing and going on Shizo outbursts against the forums.

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I'd love to get some lore revolving around NintendoChalmers and Vaporwavemaster1, but I'm not an old enough fag to add it in. /:

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   I'd love to get some lore revolving around NintendoChalmers and Vaporwavemaster1, but I'm not an old enough fag to add it in. /:

I was going to suggest somebody add something about NintendoChalmers too, but I'm not an old enough fag either lol

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   I'd love to get some lore revolving around NintendoChalmers and Vaporwavemaster1, but I'm not an old enough fag to add it in. /:

That's some OG ancient agora history. I think only Pirate could spill the beans. MTTS probably was too far inside his own ass (as always) to have any relevant memories of past users. Maybe in a few years we'll be able to name the eras, with ours being probably the 2nd not including the pre-forum era.

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Oh yeah, add that to the iceberg, agora road was originally a blog about the deep web.

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   Oh yeah, add that to the iceberg, agora road was originally a blog about the deep web.

Add the original Mac layout/design of the site too

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So far we've got 60 entry titles. I think I'm going to make an abridged iceberg for the video aside from the full one, so keep posting as many as you want.

Once we get to 100 or so though, I think I'm going to make a poll where everyone can vote on what they think are the best/funniest and cut it down to 50 entries (because I don't want to record 3 hours of voicelines).

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   Secret user whose posts you can only see once you reach level 9

Can confirm this is real. Most female users can only be interacted with once you reach level 9.

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I had nothing to do with the DESTRUCTION of Agora cities btw. :meowntGun:

Cursed Agoracities Angel Event [DO NOT RESEARCH]

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>Do not research into AgoraRoad Subscriptions

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PFC is Manpaint conspiracy [Do NOT research!!!]

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The protagonist from Digital Seclusion is an agoraroad user.

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>Naglobud's wife

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>Agora is the Web3.0 evolution of Worlds MMO

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Mel is real.

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   l@in is here said:

   >Naglobud's wife

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   PFC is Manpaint conspiracy [Do NOT research!!!]

I was thinking about manpaint for this thread. Considering what he wanted to do without the internet, he would have been interested by the /lit/ section

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We all shitpost that the road's members are either glowies or AIs, but what if some are the spirits of the dead? :monkaW:

Maybe manpaint leaving the internet means he finally moved on to the afterlife.

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   Alright friends, it's time for a community project, since we have a lot of talent here and haven't done one of these in a while (or maybe ever). Continuing on from the "Current thing meme analysis thread", I've decided that we should make a parody of those "iceberg explained" videos for Agora Road.

   I've done something like this once in this past on my own, but it wasn't very good and I've since unlisted it.

   We can make it good this time though! I'm taking suggestions for entries and images. I'll probably end up making the iceberg image myself.

   I'm not sure how to split up the workload for the video though. I could write the script, though I think it would be better if we got to work on that together as a community. It will probably be narrating in either my voice or with a TTS, though I don't know who will do the editing, since I'm not good at that, or whose channel it will be posted to. We could maybe upload it to the official Agora Youtube, if the admin is okay with that.

   Anyways. Post entry titles, explanations, sidebar images, and joke ideas. Alternatively, are there maybe some that should be cut? What order should the entries be in?

   This is what we have so far, though entry explanations are still wanted:

   >Yes or No

   >agora road social medias (Facebook, Twitter, Youtube etc.)

   >Pirate shilling on >Redditcostanzayeahrightsmirk and Nairaland

   >Pregnant Agora-chan

   >Melon

   >Furry Road and bronies

   >Jesuits

   >Bots on Agora Road

   >Cult of Ankha

   >Illuminati Pirate is an actual member of the Illuminati

   >Agora Road is a psyop

   >"Agora Road is a psyop" is a psyop

   >Agora Toad

   >E-zine

   >Abandoned chats

   >Agora Road writers club

   >y2k underground

   >Silk road

   >Cult of agora-chan

   >Old names/users who changed names

   >Quake

   >Japan meetup

   >Agora Road secret underground Kabukicho club

   >Astral projection is communist [DO NOT RESEARCH]

   >AIR book club (It's not happening)

   >AIR book club (It IS happening)

   >Trees

   >Third coming of Christ browses /jp/

   >Research [DO NOT RESEARCH]

   >Internet Gnomes

   >Jesus is a mushroom

   >Agora-chan and Mel lemon fanfictions and fanart [DO NOT RESEARCH]

   >Everyone's username is real

   >Agora Road is a real road

   >Nikpill

   >/x/ ads

   >totsugeki

   >posting on the forum is covert NSA training

   >the server rewrites posts with subliminal steganography

   >The L. in L. Rhodes stands for [REDACTED]

   >The road is purgatory and our souls are being judged by MTTS

   >Hedgehog Dilema's posts are all anagrams of excerpts of the Tibetan Book of the Dead

   >Secret user whose posts you can only see once you reach level 9

   >Higher user level means equates to higher psychic prowess

   >Editing posts resets the universe's timeline

   >Agora Road is a hotbed for right-wing extremism

   >Winston Files Leak

   >Agora online games

   >Agora webring

   >NintendoChalmers

   >Vaporwavemaster1

   >The pre-forum era

   >Agora-cities

   >Female users

   >Cursed Agora-cities Angel Event [DO NOT RESEARCH]

   >Do not research into Agora Road Subscriptions

   >Misuzu's Autism Shack (actual longest thread)

   >Disillusion is a remake of Polybius

   >Secret chatroom for the elite members

   >PFC is Manpaint conspiracy [Do NOT research!!!]

   >The protagonist from Digital Seclusion is an Agora Road user

   >Naglobud's wife

   >Agora is the Web3.0 evolution of Worlds MMO

   >Mel is real

   >r/agoraroad

   >Heavens Gate connection

   >Post:Reaction ratio

   >Kolph's 5-second E-girl phase [DEFINITELY Do NoT rEsEaRcH]

   Click to expand...

You forgot Angora-Chan. Probably mine, Pangolin, Jessie, and Kameraad's greatest achievement. (plus booba edit)

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   Hadrian Hardrada Cicero said:

   You forgot Angora-Chan. Probably mine, Pangolin, Jessie, and Kameraad's greatest achievement. (plus booba edit)

Yeah that one's definitely a [DO NOT RESEARCH]

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   Hadrian Hardrada Cicero said:

   You forgot Angora-Chan. Probably mine, Pangolin, Jessie, and Kameraad's greatest achievement. (plus booba edit)

   SomaSpice said:

   Yeah that one's definitely a [DO NOT RESEARCH]

Actually true. The edit seems to have been deleted

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Pregnant Angora Chan

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   L. Rhodes said:

   Actually true. The edit seems to have been deleted

@Pangolin YO time to fix that post

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   Pregnant Angora Chan

   Angora Chan vs Agora Ankha

The End of Agoragelion

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The longest thread on Agora (publicly) is the Anarchy thread. However, the real longest thread is actually my DM conversation with Summer, unless two people want to come out and challenge us by claiming they actually have a DM conversation with 70 or more pages of messages minimum

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   That's some OG ancient agora history. I think only Pirate could spill the beans. MTTS probably was too far inside his own ass (as always) to have any relevant memories of past users. Maybe in a few years we'll be able to name the eras, with ours being probably the 2nd not including the pre-forum era.

I mean I'm like the second closet to know about this lore from pirate him and in fact on the day I first discovered the site back in August of 2021, I remember Pirate banning him off on the containment chat back when that was a chatroom opened for guests to talk in. It eventually led Pirate to just forever locking the chatroom to members only like Macintosh chat.

As for as I know from what Pirate told me along with @CognacDefender in chatroom the other day, NintendoChalmers was just some /pol/tard who tried to advertise /fashwave/, an ungodly aesthetic meme from that board, and then tried to turn the site into a /pol/satellite which failed. This lead to him to just attempting to destroy the site by preforming a raid on it and it lead to Pirate stepping in and banning him permanently.

He also was a reason as to why Naa, another user I never spoken to or met but was aware of from Pirate's convo in chat, left as he kept harassing her supposedly.

Hope that's enough to suffice @Jessica3cho雪血⊜青意

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The eras are like, pre-forum era, ???, Nagolbud era, MTTS era (Current)

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Also how could we have forgotten, Sweet n Comfy age of marriage (DO NOT RESEARCH)

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   Remember\_Summer\_Days said:

   The eras are like, pre-forum era, ???, Nagolbud era, MTTS era (Current)

Second MTTS era, don't forget the first banning of him.

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\* \*\*\*\*\* \*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\* \*\*\*\*\*\*\*\* \*\*\* \*\*\*\* \*\*\*\*\*\*\*

THIS POST REQUIRES AN AGORA ROAD GOLD MEMBERSHIP TO VIEW

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\* E-zine issue 0

\* The 1-in-a-million random quote on the front page

\* At 3:33 AM, the Windows XP Gold theme turns into Windows XP Silver theme

\* Parkcity award

\* Latin American takeover of the forum

\* Accounts created in 2017

\* The indonesian hack

\* The forum rollbacks in 2022 were ordered by the CIA to erase certain posts

\* Ruby Pentagon

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   Hadrian Hardrada Cicero said:

   Second MTTS era, don't forget the first banning of him.

Thats all part of the MTTS era for easier understanding

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   \* E-zine issue 0

   \* The 1-in-a-million random quote on the front page

   \* At 3:33 AM, the Windows XP Gold theme turns into Windows XP Silver theme

   \* Parkcity award

   \* Latin American takeover of the forum

   \* Accounts created in 2017

   \* The indonesian hack

   \* The forum rollbacks in 2022 were ordered by the CIA to erase certain posts

   \* Ruby Pentagon

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I love all of these. They have that OG creepypasta 'plausible enough' creepy feel to them

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   shinobu said:

   \* Latin American takeover of the forum

I forgot about this factoid, I'm not even sure who is the majority of Agora users at this point.

   shinobu said:

   \* The indonesian hack

Back-to-Back!

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   \* Ruby Pentagon

Ruby Hexagon?

   Remember\_Summer\_Days said:

   Thats all part of the MTTS era for easier understanding

Just imagine him but being able to speak on this thread and everywhere. That's what lead to his first banning.

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   Just imagine him but being able to speak on this thread and everywhere. That's what lead to his first banning.

Fair enough. He can actually post on agora /lit/ but he doesnt seem to want to

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   Oh yeah, add that to the iceberg, agora road was originally a blog about the deep web.

Luv me the old /x/ ad

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   Ruby Hexagon?

Ruby Pentagon is Ruby Hexagon's alter ego, a complete opposite of his normal personality, and it's the user who caused Ruby's account to be deleted. A sad bit of Agora's past

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   Ruby Pentagon is Ruby Hexagon's alter ego, a complete opposite of his normal personality, and it's the user who caused Ruby's account to be deleted. A sad bit of Agora's past

Fuck! I forgot the email he sent me. Man it would've been nice to see him again and just chat. Oh well.

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The 4chan /x/ TOP SECRET alien pic was posted on agoraroad once. Or maybe it's hidden in the depths of the forum, or maybe you can only see it once you reach level 11

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   We all shitpost that the road's members are either glowies or AIs, but what if some are the spirits of the dead? :monkaW:

   Maybe manpaint leaving the internet means he finally moved on to the afterlife.

nah bro I just faked my death for the lulz Im 100% alive

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   >everyone's username is real (my father is actually a car, @Andy Kaufman is actually the real andy kaufman who faked his death, @Jackeline actually was king of the cheetahs etc)

My name is actually Jack.

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The pirate nairaland investigation arc was kino. Also you missed the super secret agora group dm and the mastodon instance (idk if it's still running).

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   My name is actually Jack.

"Juan Carlos, Rey de los Cheetahs, el sucesor de Solid Snake, el famoso nunca-baja-de-5%-alcohol-en-sangre, el unico usuario nivel 11 con 67185 mensajes en el chat" is Jackeline's full name and title, don't let him distract you from that

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   The pirate nairaland investigation arc was kino. Also you missed the super secret agora group dm and the mastodon instance (idk if it's still running).

I completely forgot about that one too. I wonder if it's full of messages and I haven't logged in in months

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>the man in the banana suit (DO NOT RESEARCH)

>chinese copypasta on the main page

cars are strange yet my dad is car...does that mean my dad is strange desu? desu???? DESU?!?!?

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   You forgot Angora-Chan. Probably mine, Pangolin, Jessie, and Kameraad's greatest achievement. (plus booba edit)

I'm never going let you live that down, Hadrian. I'll make sure to embellish the story overtime for my own amusement. You will be remembered as the man who stole $120 in church funds to commision furry porn.

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   I'm never going let you live that down, Hadrian. I'll make sure to embellish the story overtime for my own amusement. You will be remembered as the man who stole $120 in church funds to commision furry porn.

I can't believe Hadrian stole $730 from an orphanage to commission furry scat porn, how terrible!

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   I can't believe Hadrian stole $730 from an orphanage to commission furry scat porn, how terrible!

Yeah it's pretty weird how Hadrian stole $1200 from his local church to commision like 40 whole peices of cub scat porn.

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   Yeah it's pretty weird how Hadrian stole $1200 from his local church to commision like 40 whole peices of cub scat porn.

I always thought he was an odd guy, but even I never could have expected Hadrian to steal $1500 from a Christian orphanage for disabled children to commission 60 pieces of nothing but cub scat vore hentai.

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   I'm never going let you live that down, Hadrian. I'll make sure to embellish the story overtime for my own amusement. You will be remembered as the man who stole $120 in church funds to commision furry porn.

For the record it was $55 for the commission.

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   Hadrian Hardrada Cicero said:

   For the record it was $55 for the commission.

No. It's whatever I want it to be.

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don't you think 8k was a little much? I think 7.5k is way more accurate for 24h of real animals pooping

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   Hadrian Hardrada Cicero said:

   For the record it was $55 for the commission.

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Also I swear that I found a thread from 2016 one time back when I first joined but I didn't think anything of it then because I didn't know enough about the history of the site yet

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   Unlikely, I would never use this site.

And yet you're here, moot. Checkmate, libcuck newfag.

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Iceberg lol

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   Iceberg lol

   more like asperg thread, 4 pages of pure autism in a single day

Still less autistic than spending 3 years getting an art agree just to cat girls. Also less autistic than pretending to be a cat girl.

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   Iceberg lol

   more like asperg thread, 4 pages of pure autism in a single day

Weren't you meowing in another thread? Takes one to know one.

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The poll has been created

take.supersurvey.com

Have your say: Best Entries

Voice your opinion on the poll: Best Entries

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I didn't include the [DO NOT RESEARCH] for the most part, as I think it's best to decide that once we have the tiers organized. I'll probably also merge a few on the entries into one when the time comes.

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Wait is this legit?

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   Wait is this legit?

No. Maybe for level 10 though

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Pirate should make it a feature though. Hire camgirls or egirls to interact with only users who are past level 9

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   No. Maybe for level 10 though

Sad, I thought I was special.

   Outer Heaven said:

   mastodon

Also my brain isnt functioning it was a matrix instance not mastodon

   Remember\_Summer\_Days said:

   Pirate should make it a feature though. Hire camgirls or egirls to interact with only users who are past level 9

He should hire Nigerians from Nairaland instead

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@L. Rhodes Can we add "Agora Radio secret off-schedule transmissions" to the iceberg?

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\* vaporwave/waery guy added agora into aesthetics wiki. also, he is the Administrator - TheInternetTombRaider there (lore | jk)

\* agora was clearnet-burried gunshop by irl win xp Lain cult, merged from real AR on TOR

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   雨、Some\_porcupine、 逃げ出した後 said:

   \* vaporwave/waery guy added agora into aesthetics wiki. also, he is the Administrator - TheInternetTombRaider there (lore | jk)

   \* agora was clearnet-burried gunshop by irl win xp Lain cult, merged from real AR on TOR

   \*\* There is TOR version of ARMC, and it is all religion texts, MLP, K-ON-front pushing rasist lore and manchildren-profiteerers (/as if)

   \* forum is clearnet, 58965645631638854576765757867674512132.agoraroad.87689+6787689+7896/765876757/56786786456/5575786754/ssh.com is for TOR

   \* there is dsc server, but it is just two chatbots who are fed once a week by rss feed on about newCurrent evens feed

   \*\* conclussion: inaction is worse than fuckup.

   \*\*\* we are fucked. but we cant care less. it is over. impossible. so many fronts. to start, you will need book. on history. ..."The story so far: In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." ― Douglas Adams, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe

   Click to expand...

You know, Some\_porcupine, you always happen to say the strangest things. It's like you can read English, but your syntax just puts you in a different world entirely from the rest of us here.

I think I'm just going to put you on the iceberg instead

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   Still less autistic than spending 3 years getting an art agree just to cat girls. Also less autistic than pretending to be a cat girl.

I have never gone to an art school but yeah, at least I'm honest here and don't pretend I'm normal.

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   You know, Some\_porcupine, you always happen to say the strangest things. It's like you can read English, but your syntax just puts you in a different world entirely from the rest of us here.

   I think I'm just going to put you on the iceberg instead

hes ascended

Check out...

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Don't look into the Bill and Chuck show

Check out...

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Agora Craft,&

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Agora Movie Nights,

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I just remembered, that time we tried to save Agora Chan and then it led to @Jessica3cho雪血⊜青意 snapping @L. Rhodes neck! True story!

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   I just remembered, that time we tried to save Agora Chan and then it led to @Jessica3cho雪血⊜青意 snapping @L. Rhodes neck! True story!

I just remembered, that time Sweet n Comfy posted preggorachan and through a series of unfortunate events led to his fatal car crash on the road. True story!

Check out...

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   Maybe in a few years we'll be able to name the eras, with ours being probably the 2nd not including the pre-forum era.

The idea of a bunch of bewildered scholars in the far future coming across some obscure site trying to classify the eras of Agora history gets a good chuckle out of me. The banning of NB would definitely probably be the transition to our current era. Although a good case could be made that the first era was really just when Agora Road was a vaporwave forum when it came to discussion :PepeHands:

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   The idea of a bunch of bewildered scholars in the far future coming across some obscure site trying to classify the eras of Agora history gets a good chuckle out of me. The banning of NB would definitely probably be the transition to our current era. Although a good case could be made that the first era was really just when Agora Road was a vaporwave forum when it came to discussion :PepeHands:

I just hope little obscure forums like this one can outlive social media as those were infiltrated by bots, so we can see the glorious days of decentralized internet again......

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Hot take. The current era of agora is the degenerate era. It was ushered in by the cult of ankha which lead to the furry thread which has lead to endless mlp discussion. We are on a slippery slope.

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   雨、Some\_porcupine、 逃げ出した後 said:

   conclussion: inaction is worse than fuckup.

I want that on a t-shirt tbh

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   I want that on a t-shirt tbh

Before he passed, an old man I knew used to be known for saying "Make a decision, even if it's wrong." It's always stuck with me. Inaction is itself the worst decision in most cases.

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I'm calling the votes now. Unless someone wants to object, the iceberg will include the following entries:

At this point, we have to make the actual iceberg itself. For this, we need to decide on the number of tiers, the order of the entries, and the sidebar images. Here's an example, for reference:

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Basically, I want everyone ITT to order the results into tiers, and post some images as well.

Any Ideas?

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I second that.

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   I'm calling the votes now. Unless someone wants to object, the iceberg will include the following entries:

   At this point, we have to make the actual iceberg itself. For this, we need to decide on the number of tiers, the order of the entries, and the sidebar images. Here's an example, for reference:

   View attachment 58295

   Basically, I want everyone ITT to order the results into tiers, and post some images as well.

   Any Ideas?

   Click to expand...

I made this in 5 minutes, but I'm not convinced by the "Research [DO NOT RESEARCH]". I think that another entry that's a bit more concrete should have the [DO NOT RESEARCH]

Also, I'm not sure where to put the Sweet and Comfy one. It's not that disturbing in the grand scheme of things, and it happened last month so it's not some ancient lore thing

As for missing entries, these are worth keeping in my opinion

   Analpope (his holeliness will never die)

   Mel is real

   Agora Road is a real road

------------ Tier 1 ----------------

Dead Internet Theory

Agora Road is a vaporwave forum

Female users

/x/ advertisements

Sweet n Comfy on the age of marriage [UNIRONICALLY WHAT DID HE MEAN BY THIS]

Oldweb y2k revival

Webring

------------ Tier 2 ----------------

Nagolbud

Secret chatroom for elite members

Pre-forum era

Cult of Ankha

Vaporwavemaster1

r/agoraroad

Agora-cities

Japan meetup

Latin-American takeover

Old usernames

------------ Tier 3 ----------------

Forum rollbacks of 2022 were ordered by the CIA to erase certain posts

Angora-chan

Secret user who can only be seen once you reach level 9

Agora Road is a psyop

Accounts from 2017

Unobtained awards

Kolph's 5-second e-girl phase

IlluminatiPirate Nairaland investigation

------------ Tier 4 ----------------

Psychic vampire killing the website

"Agora Road is a psyop" is a psyop

PinkFluffyCat is Manpaint

Agora Road is purgatory for MTTS to judge lost souls

Agora Radio secret off-schedule transmissions

Jesuits

Furries and Bronies

Thread from 2016

Everyone's username is real

------------ Tier 5 ----------------

The L. in L. Rhodes stands for ░░░░

That time the real alien photo got posted on the forum

Disillusion is a remake of Polybius

1-in-a-million random quote on the front page

Research [DO NOT RESEARCH]

------------ Tier 6 ----------------

Pregnant Agora-chan

Agora Road is a vaporwave forum

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   I have not been here very long and I do not know which ones are jokes and are not. A little thing explaining some of them might be a nice companion piece.

They're all real to some extent

You will watch my fucking videos and you will fucking laugh and enjoy yourself.​

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The momentum seems to have slowed down a bit. In any case, here's your iceberg.

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I also have a link to a doc where you can write whatever you want into the script, if I ever get around to completing this. It should be publicly editable.

The entries don't have to be long, they could even just be a few sentences.

docs.google.com

Agora Iceberg

INTRO (\*ambient music\*) Disturbing. Internet.The internet is kinda fucked up. And super scary! I'm literally crying right now. Beyond its clean, cheerful outside, it hosts some of the most cryptic content you'll ever see. That's why, in this video, I'm going to be explaining the very abysses o...

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   The momentum seems to have slowed down a bit. In any case, here's your iceberg.

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   I also have a link to a doc where you can write whatever you want into the script, if I ever get around to completing this. It should be publicly editable.

   The entries don't have to be long, they could even just be a few sentences.

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   INTRO (\*ambient music\*) Disturbing. Internet.The internet is kinda fucked up. And super scary! I'm literally crying right now. Beyond its clean, cheerful outside, it hosts some of the most cryptic content you'll ever see. That's why, in this video, I'm going to be explaining the very abysses o...

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   There's a couple ways we could do this. I said earlier that I would probably be narrating it, though perhaps we could have each entry be read by a different user? Assuming enough people feel like recording themselves, of course.

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Love the symmetry with "agora road is a vaporwave forum"!

I'd be willing to read some lines if you'd like.

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Am i iceberg worthy? To answer my own question: Yes and no.

Yes is something mysterious about me and how i post random to roleplay shit sometimes.

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   The momentum seems to have slowed down a bit. In any case, here's your iceberg.

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   I also have a link to a doc where you can write whatever you want into the script, if I ever get around to completing this. It should be publicly editable.

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   You forget one : @L. Rhodes and his obsession with a decades old porn game.

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i feel like i have to be on here somehwere

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You are, you got the agora is purgatory thing

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   I'm glad you liked it :agsmile:

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Could my Kazakhstan posts fall under that?

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   Could my Kazakhstan posts fall under that?

...your "Kazakhstan posts"? Enlighten me.

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   ...your "Kazakhstan posts"? Enlighten me.

Okay, I think they don't. :CryLaughing:

Basically what I posted while in Kazakhstan back in September.

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   Okay, I think they don't. :CryLaughing:

   Basically what I posted while in Kazakhstan back in September.

Maybe I'm just outta the loop.

Did you post them all in a thread or on your profile or something? I imagine they are interesting.

cars are strange yet my dad is car...does that mean my dad is strange desu? desu???? DESU?!?!?

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   Maybe I'm just outta the loop.

   Did you post them all in a thread or on your profile or something? I imagine they are interesting.

It was on my profile, between Sep 8 and October 4 or so

Dang it, I grabbed the wrong iceberg thread the first time.

We can add Pink Fluffy Cat to this now.

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I want to get your most outlandish takes and theories. Was it too stupid to share seriously? Do you only half-heartedly believe it? I want to hear them for fun. I love a good conspiracy theory, but I love to have a good laugh at theories which aren't exactly satirical either. Ideas that were spawned by listening to other theories, whatever it is. If you have objective proof don't bother, the wilder and less documented the better.

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Have you ever considered the phenomenon of GIRLs on the internet AKA (Guy In Real Life)s as an indicator for Dead Internet Theory? I thought of this as a barometer for a website, thinking about Dead Internet Theory.

Have you ever noticed that the bots and the fakes all use real looking avatars or photos they scraped up? They want to give the impression of a real human being with credibility.

Have you ever noticed that a lot of men use pictures of anime girls? Have you ever played FF14 wherein every female is most assuredly a dude, and every one of the potat-child-like people are actually the only females who play the game?

My theory is that the more anime waifus that you find on a site, the more likely it is that you are talking to actual humans. Which is retarded, I know, but it seems to be holding up. Twitter? Check. Agora? Check. FF14 Check. All dudes. It's like anime waifus are the anti-girl. It tells you that this is a dude, and he is a human, because females hate waifus and love husbandos.

Many such cases!

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The most ridiculous thing that I sincerely believe is that I believe there's an active conspiracy at work to undermine the software industry in the west, in order to devalue labour and justify outsourcing. I feel it's an "accidental conspiracy", in that there's no secret cabal sitting at secret meetings to discuss what to do, everyone just sort of falls in line because it's in their best interests to do so.

All of a sudden about 10 years ago, the software industry changed attitude, and nobody knows why. It suddenly went from "You need to know what you're doing, we don't let just ANYONE touch our codebase" to "you don't really need to be all that qualified in order to program, anyone can do it, just follow a few online tutorials". I associate this with the rise of the internet and the "whiz kids" that can make a page look nice-ish by cranking out a few hundred lines of horribly-formatted HTML and badly-written Javascript.

Alongside this change, we have seen a shift from long-term managers who are promoted from within, to project managers being "parachuted in" to manage certain projects, with the expectation that they are going to leave afterwards, so they sort of move from company to company, "save a bunch of money" by delivering low quality crap, then bail before they see the damage their cost-cutting has caused.

Corporate managers love this idea because they can use the savings to justify buying themselves bigger cars, and they know consumers are dumb and will put up with a shitty UI that takes 20 seconds to load, because they have successfully normalised slow, inefficient computing.

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Extreme negative emotions (especially trauma/stress/fear) can become trapped inside wooden furniture, mirrors, bodies of water, stone masonry buildings, and other natural physical mediums/mediums utilizing organic matter, as well as physical earth/soil itself, and can be "played back" by a third party observer afterward under the correct circumstances. This is my current explanation for what "ghosts" are. You are seeing/hearing a "recording" of a traumatic event similar to how one can record audio onto magnetic tape. A man sees a ghostly apparition of a woman jumping off a bridge, the same apparition and event sequence that countless others have seen at X historic site where mentioned woman jumped off a bridge in Year A.D. because the event of her death was of such dense/heavy emotion that it was recorded, perhaps 'burned' into the surrounding physical mediums, such as the brickwork of the bridge, or the water below it, or the soil in the bottom of the river.

Barometric pressure changes affect the ability for one to see into the spirit/effects the density of the spiritual veil.

LED lights can attract/manifest demons similar to insects being attracted to lights. This is why TPTB are forcing them. Most people are not spiritually strong or have vices that act as further magnets for demons/negative spirits/low-level entities/black-goo (whatever term you use is fine it's all the same thing in my opinion), so being in the presence of LED lights makes it easier for people to

Doing the sign of the cross and speaking positive affirmations over food/drink changes the molecular structure of the water content to more harmonic patterns. Source: Dr. Masuro Emoto's rice/water crystal experiments. I believe this further aids in digestion.

"Gravity" as a measurable phenomena does not exist. Things float/sink/fall/rise because of their density relative to the medium in which they are within. People love to chatter about how if "gravity didn't exist you'd just float away". No you would not, what a foolish thing to proclaim. Your body is more dense than the air around you, so you do not float away to the sky. When one throws a rock into a pool of water it will sink, because the compounds making up the whole of the rock is all together more dense than the water. There will be air bubbles floating upwards in the process, because air is less dense than water. There is no "gravitational force". Scientists just love making things more complicated than they need to be to make the pedestrian class feel retarded.

Animals are psychic and know when you are lying.

Unicorns absolutely existed but were in my opinion hunted to full or near extinction and any remaining populations are hidden in remote "off limits" areas by TPTB or used as a rich person food source.

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Where should I start?

-Cams, mics, etc. can be / are being used to track facial expressions, verbal communications, etc. for monitoring the population and sniffing out potential criminals and subversives.

-The internet will become an 'omniscient' (not quite, but effectively so) AI creation that will use human thought as something of a system of nodes or whatever, piggybacking on human creativity and ingenuity, but also harnessing such things to the conscious will of the AI. Essentially that old idea for The Matrix that got replaced with the substantially less-cool battery idea. This can blend with the Dead Internet Theory and any conspiracy about a 'cabal.' Also this would pretty much make the entire internet a massive honeypot, as the AI would be able to see what each individual has done/said online, generate a psychological/ideological/theological/physiological profile, make inferences and deductions from the collected data, and voila! you have one more piece of the Biblical Apocalypse. Theoretically, if a demon can possess and control a man's nervous system, then would not a larger system, still comprised of electrical signals codifying date, not also be fair game? Think 'The Matrix' cross-bred with the 'Digital Demons' greentext.

Considering this is the website that debuted the Dead Internet Theory, this actually might not be sufficiently crackpot, sorry if that's the case lol. If it is insufficiently crackpot, erm, well, Housepoopr is a fed? Jokes aside, your statement on anime prof. pics is hilarious, and concerningly plausible, at least until the next NPC update, if it's not already out.

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At times, indeed, almost ridiculous—

Almost, at times, the Fool."

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   The most ridiculous thing that I sincerely believe is that I believe there's an active conspiracy at work to undermine the software industry in the west, in order to devalue labour and justify outsourcing. I feel it's an "accidental conspiracy", in that there's no secret cabal sitting at secret meetings to discuss what to do, everyone just sort of falls in line because it's in their best interests to do so.

Yes, this is the reason for so many H1B Visas. Think about the statistic from 1970s to 2010: White men made the software. Predominantly Caucasian, and a mixed bag on politics and religious attitudes. They want to replace white men with other groups of people, whom they feel, from a deeply racial bias, will be easier to control and manipulate, into believing narratives about oppression by "white" people. Specifically this is a result of a Marxist drive to replace white men, of whom previously made up the overwhelming majority of people who didn't vote the way they wanted, who resisted the desires they had, of whom the indoctrination fractured on first paycheck, and shatter on first tax season. Majority of men paying 50 - 150k in taxes a year don't buy it when told they are the parasites, and to "vote blue, comrade." :SoyU1:

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   All of a sudden about 10 years ago, the software industry changed attitude, and nobody knows why. It suddenly went from "You need to know what you're doing, we don't let just ANYONE touch our codebase" to "you don't really need to be all that qualified in order to program, anyone can do it, just follow a few online tutorials". I associate this with the rise of the internet and the "whiz kids" that can make a page look nice-ish by cranking out a few hundred lines of horribly-formatted HTML and badly-written Javascript.

I think it's like anything else. They figured out they could import and abuse the best programmers in India, pay them well under industry, because they wanted to come to America and stop living in the poverty and suffering in India. They know It takes years to become a citizen, and they can be underpaid the entire time, and when they do become citizens, hey less left-resistant white people to put up with. There are many fabulous indian programmers, and many terrible ones. The same with any race really.

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   Alongside this change, we have seen a shift from long-term managers who are promoted from within, to project managers being "parachuted in" to manage certain projects, with the expectation that they are going to leave afterwards, so they sort of move from company to company, "save a bunch of money" by delivering low quality crap, then bail before they see the damage their cost-cutting has caused.

I feel this is correct. There are three types of project manager.

1.) People who were in the industry and then transitioned into PM, they know the business and the requirements and are a stabilizing force. My wife calls this bottom up, wherein top down means dictated cost savings from on high, vs what can reasonably be done or accomplished bottom up. She's that first kind of PM in her industry. Came from that industry, years of experience, advocates for talent, etc. Resists outsourcing.

2.) Then there are good PMs that while mean well, have to deal with dictates from on high, and still try to manage expectations and talk through what is realistic, but in the end have their hands tied if push comes to shove. Resists outsourcing, but must play politics and comply if required.

3.) Then there are the ones who are like a consultant class, and recommend and advocate for cheaper labor, outsourcing, etc, and pop smoke when the wind blows another direction. As you said, the effects of dropping talent become apparent months and years after they are gone, and it's impossible to keep your job and say "these contractors from X company aren't invested in our product/project, are difficult to communicate with, etc."

The problem with the consultant class is they use that reputation to climb to CTO, where they do it at scale; You gut a tech company when you get rid of the talent in favor of cheaper labor, but for a beautiful moment in time we saved like 2 dollars this quarter on EBITA by firing everyone that ever made us profitable and placed us in a position for success in the first place. Next quarter and many quarters after and boy we don't look so good anymore.

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   Corporate managers love this idea because they can use the savings to justify buying themselves bigger cars, and they know consumers are dumb and will put up with a shitty UI that takes 20 seconds to load, because they have successfully normalised slow, inefficient computing.

To be fair, I'm not the best software guy, and I hang out on the backend, and mostly write python, though I have been branching off to js and java most recently. I have had a lot of experience with Python, some with Ruby, and a lot with shell automation which is still even in 2023 lucrative, but falling off. So I might be indicative of that lack luster quality you are talking about. I'm mildly autistic, well, there are a lot of people smarter than me. I'm a midwit for sure.

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   To be fair, I'm not the best software guy, and I hang out on the backend, and mostly write python, though I have been branching off to js and java most recently. I have had a lot of experience with Python, some with Ruby, and a lot with shell automation which is still even in 2023 lucrative, but falling off. So I might be indicative of that lack luster quality you are talking about. I'm mildly autistic, well, there are a lot of people smarter than me. I'm a midwit for sure.

I don't want to be mean, but if the majority of your experience revolves around python and js, you're very likely not a good programmer.

It's not even your fault, really. Both of those languages essentially encourage bad coding and reinforce bad programming habits, because they are shitty languages.

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   I don't want to be mean, but if the majority of your experience revolves around python and js, you're very likely not a good programmer.

   It's not even your fault, really. Both of those languages essentially encourage bad coding and reinforce bad programming habits, because they are shitty languages

Python is a great language for API work, which is much of what I do, automatons, data engineering, which is also a part of what I do. We have elegant hacks to deal with the GIL, async, pool, alt non cpython bc jit compilers. If you think you should use Go or rust to do something like this, well someone will argue you into a pit, professionally, and they'll be right. You've stated that these langs are bad, and haven't really considered that the use case is what makes them desirable and useful. Every major cloud provider, all the hot deployment and job management tech, all python. Utility. AWS Cloudformation for ephemeral architecture? CDK, python. Airflow? Python. Databricks, spark streaming? Python.

JS is painful, but the syntactic sugar is nice at times.

I think that there are a number of Java, C# (Microsoft java), rust and go enthusiasts. We have erlang guys like that, kotlin enthusiasts.

Javascript is a staple in the browser, even if you have dozens of competing technologies, and it's the basis of many dozens of frameworks.

No, I don't manage pointers, nor do I have to care about alloc, even when using Java, I don't have to care about heap unless something is horribly wrong.

Python devs make similar money, have more utility, and currently more employment options at the current time. All while c devs make our libraries, most of the time, for free. I wrote an semi-custom proxy that rapidly deployed updates for app downloads on first boot, open market devices, an API that served hundreds of millions of phone reactivation, wipes, etc with new apps to download in days. It was in place for about a year while our erlang guys got their sprints ready to do this.

When we needed our ssl pins to be updated, or brick our software on millions of phones, in about a hour, I was demoing and jmetering a quick end point to keep our app installs going. The best part is I shipped it with sanic. Asynchronous. Could handle like 400k calls per second with workers set to vcpu values. No not close to C speed, but not a week in the making.

Python is a Swiss army knife. You don't butcher a calf with it. You skin a deer.

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Okay, let me try to reply again, this time without being so mean.

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   Python is a great language for API work, which is much of what I do, automatons, data engineering, which is also a part of what I do. We have elegant hacks to deal with the GIL, async, pool, alt non cpython bc jit compilers. If you think you should use Go or rust to do something like this, well someone will argue you into a pit, professionally, and they'll be right. You've stated that these langs are bad, and haven't really considered that the use case is what makes them desirable and useful. Every major cloud provider, all the hot deployment and job management tech, all python. Utility. AWS Cloudformation for ephemeral architecture? CDK, python. Airflow? Python. Databricks, spark streaming? Python.

The only reason python is so ubiquitous is because everyone already uses it. Everyone already uses it because it's easy to learn, especially by Pajits looking to do a 1 week bootcamp to get into the industry because they see dollar signs. This is also true of Javascript (and web languages in general), and because 13 year olds can make "my cool website" and then use that to essentially scam their way into the industry by impressing computer-illiterate boomers.

It being popular does not make it a good language. There are several very good reasons why it's a horrendous language, many of which are also reasons why ALL weakly-typed languages are horrible. The gist is, if you don't have a guarantee that your data types are correct at COMPILE TIME, then you either have to do a lot of extra work at runtime, or more likely you just won't check and hope for the best. Or you'll trust some library to do it for you (which will always do an inadequate job because the library still has to do the work of dealing with weak types, it can only try to give back a useful result, but has no guarantees).

Python (and javascript) are horrendous choices for APIs for this exact reason. It is quite easy to blow up APIs because of these sorts of data errors. What's even worse is when the API accepts them, then your program explodes 300 stack frames later because you expected an integer and some idiot passed you a string.

But Python is uniquely bad because it's also extremely slow, has horrendously bad syntax, it's crossplatform support is spotty at best (I challenge you to try and write code in python that consistently creates a symbolic link on every OS), and writing anything outside of it's libraries is a chore. It doesn't even have proper class support! It claims to, especially with python3, but classes still aren't really first-class citizens in python.

Literally the only thing python has going for it is it's extensive library. I will explain why code-by-library is a problem later.

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   JS is painful, but the syntactic sugar is nice at times.

JS is possibly the one language worse than python. Nicer syntax is a small benefit compared to a literally useless standard library (and jQuery just makes everything worse).

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   I think that there are a number of Java, C# (Microsoft java), rust and go enthusiasts. We have erlang guys like that, kotlin enthusiasts.

Yeah, they are probably the ones who do all the real work to actually keep the system running.

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   Javascript is a staple in the browser, even if you have dozens of competing technologies, and it's the basis of many dozens of frameworks.

There has never been a single good JavaScript framework released, and serverside Javascript was the biggest mistake made by the programming community.

It may be ubiquitous in the browser but that's largely an accident of history and has nothing to do with the quality or usefulness of the language.

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   No, I don't manage pointers, nor do I have to care about alloc, even when using Java, I don't have to care about heap unless something is horribly wrong.

You say that like it's a good thing.

It's physically impossible to write any serious low level backend code without messing with pointers, if you want to be efficient.

But even if you had a point, who cares? C# doesn't have pointers either (actually technically it does, but only in unsafe mode), it's still a fantastic language because it gives you so many other ways to work with memory, is strongly typed, has a very robust library of building blocks (List<T>, HttpRequest handlers, etc) rather than trying to write libraries to automate business tasks, lots of syntactic sugar, and is very quick to work with.

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   Python devs make similar money, have more utility, and currently more employment options at the current time. All while c devs make our libraries, most of the time, for free. I wrote an semi-custom proxy that rapidly deployed updates for app downloads on first boot, open market devices, an API that served hundreds of millions of phone reactivation, wipes, etc with new apps to download in days. It was in place for about a year while our erlang guys got their sprints ready to do this.

   When we needed our ssl pins to be updated, or brick our software on millions of phones, in about a hour, I was demoing and jmetering a quick end point to keep our app installs going. The best part is I shipped it with sanic. Asynchronous. Could handle like 400k calls per second with workers set to vcpu values. No not close to C speed, but not a week in the making.

You have missed the problem here. The C project didn't take a week because "C is slow to develop" (it's not). The reason your code is so quick to create is because you haven't done the actual design work required to make a properly functioning system. The programming happens at the end, after the days/weeks of analysis. The C programmer who sits there for a week before delivering is not doing so because their language is hard to develop or because they are slow/outdated/incompetent or because "they are stuck in pointer hell". They take that long because that's how long it takes to design a functioning system that doesn't have these sorts of problems.

This really is the biggest problem with the modern programmer "fast development" mindset (and Agile unfortunately encourages this and makes everything worse, especially when it's not actually done properly. Proper agile looks very different to what most corporations are doing right now). Novice programmers seem to think that the reason why so many modern "whiz kids" using fancy "new" languages and frameworks deliver so fast is because C is this crusty old dinosaur that takes forever to develop anything in. The reality is that these people deliver software quickly because it's low quality, and in many cases they don't know better because their only experience of programming has been in a language like Python or JS that encourages and teaches bad programming practice and "quick rapid development" over rational systems design.

Every single time you use a framework, you pay a cost, and it may be invisible what that cost is at first, but it will come back to bite you later. It always does.

The reason I get so upset and angry when people say things like "wow Python is so great!" is because I know they mean well, but in reality they are killing the industry.

You have probably noticed 100% of modern software is shit. Just look at your phone. Every app on it is slow, crashes all the time, takes up way too much space, and barely does anything in the first place.

I'm not saying these apps are inherently bad because Objective C or Java are bad languages (although it could be argued the are in many ways), but because the programmer mindset has changed. You used to pay software developers to design and build systems. Now that's all done by someone who has never touched a computer system in their life (probably a useless brainlet with an MBA) and the programmers basically just throw libraries together until the requirements are met. That works great in the short term and is excellent for prototyping, but eventually you have to jettison these and design a real system. When that happens, programmers tend to find languages like JS and Python just don't cut it anymore.

I find more and more when programmers do everything in a cargo-cult program-by-library fashion (which Python practically enforces), the first 3-5 weeks of a project are really efficient, quick, and a lot of stuff gets done. Sometimes the whole system can be "working" in a basic way by the end of that period. Bosses are happy, managers are happy, the Gantt chart looks good, and stakeholders are cracking champagne at meetings. But there's a problem, and it always turns out that the next 6-8 months of work are slow, laborious, and difficult because it turns out that building a small amount of code on top of libraries made by someone else works until it doesn't, and the majority of your problems are going to come about from limitations of the libraries or needing to shoehorn your business requirements into the libraries specifications, which almost always don't match up exactly. Then you find yourself having to constantly recompose objects from your internal type to a library type, or having to do all sorts of other work to work around it's limitations. Everything grinds to a halt and the project eventually delivers but the end product is a buggy mess with a lot of limitations because nobody could quite get the frameworks and libraries to behave properly. Meanwhile the C guys had no champagne because their first 3-5 weeks weren't that impressive (or, worse, they even got behind because the managers underestimated the amount of design required), but by the time you're releasing your barely-working garbage, they are on their second version, and it's excellent. In software, you need to go slow in order to go fast, and modern framework-driven weakly-typed languages work on the opposite principle. Even if they were blazingly fast, had perfect syntax, and could do everything efficiently, if they rely heavily on libraries and frameworks to do all the heavy lifting, they are bad by definition, and anyone who uses them is guaranteed to produce terrible code.

I am not saying that using libraries is inherently wrong - I use them all the time. I am using a VR library right now in a game that's releasing soon, and it works great. I am saying that building your codebase on top of libraries, or "stitching" library functions together to produce your business logic or your application code is a horrendous idea. The only correct way to use libraries is to isolate them behind an interface, and handle everything internally yourself as much as possible - this way, when library issues arise (which they always do), it's super easy to work around them because you're almost entirely dealing with your own code, and in many cases it's easy to simply jettison the library of it's not working for you, plug in a new one, and make it conform to the existing interface. Most modern web-based and "fast to develop" languages don't really allow this at all, because they don't have interfaces (most of them don't even have proper inheritance), don't have proper type checking (they pretend to, in most languages you can do some equivalent of === to type check, but it's always a crapshoot), and offer no real proper ways to separate out your codebase into logical sections, nor do they want you to - the expectation is that you will simply write against the library instead.

Ironically, the people praising Python and serverside JS now are the next-generation of programmers after the people who praised PHP as "the perfect web language". Now everyone universally agrees PHP is terrible. Python and JS have all the same problems of PHP (and in some ways are worse), people just haven't realised it yet.

Python is great for the occasional build script or small project. I have used it to great effect for simulating keypresses as part of automating/testing games. But it's absolutely not fit for purpose for any serious project of any size or complexity, and should be avoided at all costs for anything business related, especially mission critical systems, because it will only cause problems.

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   InsufferableCynic said:

   Okay, let me try to reply again, this time without being so mean.

   The only reason python is so ubiquitous is because everyone already uses it. Everyone already uses it because it's easy to learn, especially by Pajits looking to do a 1 week bootcamp to get into the industry because they see dollar signs. This is also true of Javascript (and web languages in general), and because 13 year olds can make "my cool website" and then use that to essentially scam their way into the industry by impressing computer-illiterate boomers.

Python was originally designed as a teaching language. It's conventions have had a marked effect on a numerous other languages, including ruby, js, julia,etc.

   InsufferableCynic said:

   It being popular does not make it a good language. There are several very good reasons why it's a horrendous language, many of which are also reasons why ALL weakly-typed languages are horrible. The gist is, if you don't have a guarantee that your data types are correct at COMPILE TIME, then you either have to do a lot of extra work at runtime, or more likely you just won't check and hope for the best. Or you'll trust some library to do it for you (which will always do an inadequate job because the library still has to do the work of dealing with weak types, it can only try to give back a useful result, but has no guarantees).

Type hinting exists, it's a standard convention in python and used by professional programmers for many years.

class Person:

def \_\_init\_\_(name: str = None):

self.name = name

We can do the same thing as your compiler with raise. It takes us a fraction of the time to find and address type or value errors. We're not waiting on a compiler. Rapid development is a great feature of python.

   InsufferableCynic said:

   Python (and javascript) are horrendous choices for APIs for this exact reason. It is quite easy to blow up APIs because of these sorts of data errors. What's even worse is when the API accepts them, then your program explodes 300 stack frames later because you expected an integer and some idiot passed you a string.

Again, you're not considering scope, or use case. Python is fine for API work, better in consuming APIs than providing, but it comes down to discipline in testing and QA.

Not every API needs to push 100m connections per second. Microsoft isn't going to write the windows update rest interface in python, but report data for one of 10k companies serving a csv on ad performance will and do. We have keywords called assert() just like we can check with is isinstance(). Few out there are professionally shipping code without tests these days and most shops require you to hint and assert. Which makes this argument "it doesn't do that by default" a design choice argument. You want control over discipline; show up and review the PR.

You act as the result of being the wrong data type in a strongly typed language is any different, you and I both know that this will come from the database or bad ddl, un‐updated schema registry, 60% of the time after qa. Admins will mess up environment variables,etc.

it's not a huge mountain, it is annoying, but one can deal with it, by being mindful. The 30% is usually json, the last 10% genuine programming error.

   InsufferableCynic said:

   But Python is uniquely bad because it's also extremely slow, has horrendously bad syntax, it's crossplatform support is spotty at best (I challenge you to try and write code in python that consistently creates a symbolic link on every OS), and writing anything outside of it's libraries is a chore. It doesn't even have proper class support! It claims to, especially with python3, but classes still aren't really first-class citizens in python.

Python is much faster than it used to be, and multiprocessor utilization is done through worker or async models. I can't stress this enough. Cpython is not the only python. There are numerous python compilers without a GIL, with true concurrency, requiring compilation, etc. You are arguing from a place where you don't see and have not kept up with conventions. There are pythons with serious speed.

   InsufferableCynic said:

   Literally the only thing python has going for it is it's extensive library. I will explain why code-by-library is a problem later.

Ease of use, flexible, rapid prototyping, ubiquity, availability, first class status in cloud providers, the list goes on.

   InsufferableCynic said:

   JS is possibly the one language worse than python. Nicer syntax is a small benefit compared to a literally useless standard library (and jQuery just makes everything worse).

It's an old language with bad conventions, whose framework libraries outside it. It's a tool. Web assembly is howitzer, when you need a rifle most of the time.

   InsufferableCynic said:

   Yeah, they are probably the ones who do all the real work to actually keep the system running.

C is the heart of python. C programmers made python what it is.

   InsufferableCynic said:

   It may be ubiquitous in the browser but that's largely an accident of history and has nothing to do with the quality or usefulness of the language.

   You say that like it's a good thing.

I say that like it's a necessity. It's pragmatic. You don't do web assembly for a mostly static website. I have no animus in this.

   InsufferableCynic said:

   It's physically impossible to write any serious low level backend code without messing with pointers, if you want to be efficient.

When compared to consuming data programmatically, how many people are writing device drivers each day? How about writing OS code? It's probably 20:1. We use the right tool for the job. We have gc, we don't need to do this, modern computers are fast enough from the human perspective, that this has become irrelevant to general purpose programming.

Why would want more suffering to use c and c++ each day? I can already replace them with rust and be memory safe, unless I don't want to be. Rust will consume them in time. It has spread to the Linux kernel even. Low-level programmers will be forced to learn it.

   InsufferableCynic said:

   But even if you had a point, who cares? C# doesn't have pointers either (actually technically it does, but only in unsafe mode), it's still a fantastic language because it gives you so many other ways to work with memory, is strongly typed, has a very robust library of building blocks (List<T>, HttpRequest handlers, etc) rather than trying to write libraries to automate business tasks, lots of syntactic sugar, and is very quick to work with.

C# is Microsoft java. Also, windows is a slowly dying OS. Best advice is to move on. It grows less popular every year, strong competition from Apple and Google here. I don't use c# because I haven't been in a shop for the last 5 years that uses windows, and to be frank we never liked paying the Microsoft tax, gold, or any of that. I came up as a Solaris, a Unix and Linux administrator. I would never lock myself into C# because of win32api. Mono and .net core are poor subs.

   InsufferableCynic said:

   You have missed the problem here. The C project didn't take a week because "C is slow to develop" (it's not). The reason your code is so quick to create is because you haven't done the actual design work required to make a properly functioning system.

My brother that is the entire point of the language. All high level languages have the exact same point. Abstraction. Cpython is all c under the hood. We don't care, and you shouldn't either, it's a socket, not a wrench/spanner. Can do the some of the same jobs, faster, but can't replace the utility of the wrench. DRY.

We're not going to spend weeks developing something when we could spend hours, tactical vs strategic application.

if it has to go to the moon, we'll use a low level Lang, like c++, if it to get me a csv for business droids, it's gonna be quick py.

   InsufferableCynic said:

   The programming happens at the end, after the days/weeks of analysis. The C programmer who sits there for a week before delivering is not doing so because their language is hard to develop or because they are slow/outdated/incompetent or because "they are stuck in pointer hell". They take that long because that's how long it takes to design a functioning system that doesn't have these sorts of problems.

Again, high level language purposefully abstracts from this. There are many jobs that low level languages are overkill for.

   InsufferableCynic said:

   This really is the biggest problem with the modern programmer "fast development" mindset (and Agile unfortunately encourages this and makes everything worse, especially when it's not actually done properly. Proper agile looks very different to what most corporations are doing right now). Novice programmers seem to think that the reason why so many modern "whiz kids" using fancy "new" languages and frameworks deliver so fast is because C is this crusty old dinosaur that takes forever to develop anything in. The reality is that these people deliver software quickly because it's low quality, and in many cases they don't know better because their only experience of programming has been in a language like Python or JS that encourages and teaches bad programming practice and "quick rapid development" over rational systems design.

No, brother, business droids want money fast, with minimal investment. High level languages are tools. Not one high level programmer that I know of puffs himself up and estimates himself above or equal to low level programmers. We know it's harder, we know it takes more discipline. We are cashing a paycheck. Many python programmers are C and Java guys who burnt out.

   InsufferableCynic said:

   Every single time you use a framework, you pay a cost, and it may be invisible what that cost is at first, but it will come back to bite you later. It always does.

I believe this to be incorrect, and I can count dozens of times I used pandas for data eng, etl, etc with no down side. Same for a number of frameworks, like sanic, flask, etc

The objectives of high level programmers are patently different.

   InsufferableCynic said:

   The reason I get so upset and angry when people say things like "wow Python is so great!" is because I know they mean well, but in reality they are killing the industry.

High level language was inevitable. Low level programmers invented it. The industry is going to be killed by AI if anything. It's suddenly 1000x better than it used to be. AI will probably replace almost all python developers anyway.

   InsufferableCynic said:

   You have probably noticed 100% of modern software is shit. Just look at your phone. Every app on it is slow, crashes all the time, takes up way too much space, and barely does anything in the first place.

Is never going to be like it was in the 80/90s. The men who made the modern world were replaced with men who need a search engine for everything, myself included.

   InsufferableCynic said:

   I find more and more when programmers do everything in a cargo-cult program-by-library fashion (which Python practically enforces), the first 3-5 weeks of a project are really efficient, quick, and a lot of stuff gets done. Sometimes the whole system can be "working" in a basic way by the end of that period.

Absolutely, it's a high level language. It was made for this. You're getting angry with an efficient tool, because it's efficiency isn't your style of efficient. I'm autistic, I emphatically understand this feeling.

   InsufferableCynic said:

   Bosses are happy, managers are happy, the Gantt chart looks good, and stakeholders are cracking champagne at meetings. But there's a problem, and it always turns out that the next 6-8 months of work are slow, laborious, and difficult because it turns out that building a small amount of code on top of libraries made by someone else works until it doesn't

Rarely, and when that does happen, we import the classes directly and either overload them, or polymorph them. I feel as if you think we are all dim, many bright people choose an easier path to the same money. This is a trivial problem, libraries are not beyond the pervasion of python programmers. Especially those that are partly python, partly C. Most of the stricture comes from the python, the precompiled C was already the black box.

I have had to do this only a few times in my career, and honestly, they were easy fixes, and exceedingly rare.

   InsufferableCynic said:

   , and the majority of your problems are going to come about from limitations of the libraries or needing to shoehorn your business requirements into the libraries specifications, which almost always don't match up exactly. Then you find yourself having to constantly recompose objects from your internal type to a library type, or having to do all sorts of other work to work around it's limitations. Everything grinds to a halt and the project eventually delivers but the end product is a buggy mess with a lot of limitations because nobody could quite get the frameworks and libraries to behave properly.

Most people don't have use case outside the library. We're not making highly complex software with python. We're stitching disparate systems together, modifying data, consuming data, batching data, automating tedious processes, trivial apps and APIs, deployment processes, etc.

   InsufferableCynic said:

   Meanwhile the C guys had no champagne because their first 3-5 weeks weren't that impressive (or, worse, they even got behind because the managers underestimated the amount of design required),

This is why python exists. It's why all high level languages exist. It's a more efficient tool when efficiency is measured in time to deliver. Business droids don't care how sausage is made, only that it is good enough. Your excellent sausage took 2 weeks and tastes amazing. I gave them beer and chips with the adequate sausage two weeks ago, and took their money.

You should not be making sausage. You should be making pubs, or hospitals.

   InsufferableCynic said:

   but by the time you're releasing your barely-working garbage, they are on their second version, and it's excellent. In software, you need to go slow in order to go fast, and modern framework-driven weakly-typed languages work on the opposite principle. Even if they were blazingly fast, had perfect syntax, and could do everything efficiently, if they rely heavily on libraries and frameworks to do all the heavy lifting, they are bad by definition, and anyone who uses them is guaranteed to produce terrible code.

You have a bias here and it's roll your own. I think the democratization of software development in open source projects produces superior code by open critique and review. Linux kernel is an example. This argument is not effective.

   InsufferableCynic said:

   I am not saying that using libraries is inherently wrong - I use them all the time.

You could have fooled me.

   InsufferableCynic said:

   I am using a VR library right now in a game that's releasing soon, and it works great.

Did open-source democratization make that library good quality, or are you paying for it? You spent the last several paragraphs telling me this produces poor code. Is the library good because it works with your language of choice?

   InsufferableCynic said:

   I am saying that building your codebase on top of libraries, or "stitching" library functions together to produce your business logic or your application code is a horrendous idea.

No, it's not. It's like using GNU. Can do 99% of what you need faster than the C# guy can compile hello world.

   InsufferableCynic said:

   The only correct way to use libraries is to isolate them behind an interface, and handle everything internally yourself as much as possible - this way, when library issues arise (which they always do), it's super easy to work around them because you're almost entirely dealing with your own code, and in many cases it's easy to simply jettison the library of it's not working for you, plug in a new one, and make it conform to the existing interface. Most modern web-based and "fast to develop" languages don't really allow this at all, because they don't have interfaces (most of them don't even have proper inheritance), don't have proper type checking (they pretend to, in most languages you can do some equivalent of === to type check, but it's always a crapshoot), and offer no real proper ways to separate out your codebase into logical sections, nor do they want you to - the expectation is that you will simply write against the library instead.

You're attributing low level code problems to a high-level language. A non trivial amount of HL software engineers never or exceeding rarely have any issue we can't solve with polymorphism, or overloading. OO is and has been first class in python for years btw. You would be hard pressed to find something modern python doesn't support from the OO perspective.

   InsufferableCynic said:

   Ironically, the people praising Python and serverside JS now are the next-generation of programmers after the people who praised PHP as "the perfect web language". Now everyone universally agrees PHP is terrible. Python and JS have all the same problems of PHP (and in some ways are worse), people just haven't realised it yet.

I doubt that, PHP is scorned everywhere. All my homes dislike PHP.

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   Python is great for the occasional build script or small project. I have used it to great effect for simulating keypresses as part of automating/testing games. But it's absolutely not fit for purpose for any serious project of any size or complexity, and should be avoided at all costs for anything business related, especially mission critical systems, because it will only cause problems.

Most disagree with this, having compelling results for commodity software.

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I don't believe this my self, but I saw a conspiracy theory that the CCP and japanese elites are in a secret cult that controls east asia. (I think it was /x/), and that different elites from different parts of the world are fighting for world dominance or something

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   I don't believe this my self, but I saw a conspiracy theory that the CCP and japanese elites are in a secret cult that controls east asia. (I think it was /x/), and that different elites from different parts of the world are fighting for world dominance or something

You said you don't believe, but out of curiosity, what sort of evidence was given?

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   You said you don't believe, but out of curiosity, what sort of evidence was given?

There was no evidence that I saw that was provided lmao, they just provided a list of secret cults that control the world. The standard illuminati stuff that everyone has probably heard about was mentioned and then they mentions CCP and Japan are involved in some other cult apparently

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   There was no evidence that I saw that was provided lmao, they just provided a list of secret cults that control the world. The standard illuminati stuff that everyone has probably heard about was mentioned and then they mentions CCP and Japan are involved in some other cult apparently

Bummer, that could have been interesting lol.

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   Extreme negative emotions (especially trauma/stress/fear) can become trapped inside wooden furniture, mirrors, bodies of water, stone masonry buildings, and other natural physical mediums/mediums utilizing organic matter, as well as physical earth/soil itself, and can be "played back" by a third party observer afterward under the correct circumstances. This is my current explanation for what "ghosts" are. You are seeing/hearing a "recording" of a traumatic event similar to how one can record audio onto magnetic tape. A man sees a ghostly apparition of a woman jumping off a bridge, the same apparition and event sequence that countless others have seen at X historic site where mentioned woman jumped off a bridge in Year A.D. because the event of her death was of such dense/heavy emotion that it was recorded, perhaps 'burned' into the surrounding physical mediums, such as the brickwork of the bridge, or the water below it, or the soil in the bottom of the river.

   Barometric pressure changes affect the ability for one to see into the spirit/effects the density of the spiritual veil.

   LED lights can attract/manifest demons similar to insects being attracted to lights. This is why TPTB are forcing them. Most people are not spiritually strong or have vices that act as further magnets for demons/negative spirits/low-level entities/black-goo (whatever term you use is fine it's all the same thing in my opinion), so being in the presence of LED lights makes it easier for people to

   Doing the sign of the cross and speaking positive affirmations over food/drink changes the molecular structure of the water content to more harmonic patterns. Source: Dr. Masuro Emoto's rice/water crystal experiments. I believe this further aids in digestion.

   "Gravity" as a measurable phenomena does not exist. Things float/sink/fall/rise because of their density relative to the medium in which they are within. People love to chatter about how if "gravity didn't exist you'd just float away". No you would not, what a foolish thing to proclaim. Your body is more dense than the air around you, so you do not float away to the sky. When one throws a rock into a pool of water it will sink, because the compounds making up the whole of the rock is all together more dense than the water. There will be air bubbles floating upwards in the process, because air is less dense than water. There is no "gravitational force". Scientists just love making things more complicated than they need to be to make the pedestrian class feel retarded.

   Animals are psychic and know when you are lying.

   Unicorns absolutely existed but were in my opinion hunted to full or near extinction and any remaining populations are hidden in remote "off limits" areas by TPTB or used as a rich person food source.

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