极客湾Geekerwan: We Met Cook at miHoYo?!

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云飞：你知道我们今天见到了谁吗？
Yun Fei: Do you know who we met today?

飘哥：库克。
Brother Piao: [Tim] Cook.

云飞：卧槽，我们今天见到库克了！哇，太牛逼了！
Yun Fei: Oh my god, we met Cook today! Wow, that's amazing!

飘哥：你们知道吗？我们今天下午见到了库克啊，然后在米哈游的总部。
Brother Piao: Did you know? We met Cook this afternoon, and it was at the miHoYo headquarters.

云飞：是不是很奇怪，米哈游怎么不会说去？米哈游怎么了？
Yun Fei: Isn't it strange? How come miHoYo doesn't know how to say "Go to miHoYo"? What happened to miHoYo?

飘哥：其实是很简单的一件事情啊，库克最近在中国嘛，这个大家都知道了。已经看到很多UP主发了视频，但今天这个行程有点特别，他去米哈游总部，来听听米哈游是怎么在他们的平台上开发游戏的。
Brother Piao: Actually, it's a very simple matter. Cook has been in China recently, and everyone knows about it. We've already seen many content creators upload videos about it. But today's itinerary is a bit special. He's visiting miHoYo's headquarters to hear about how miHoYo develops games on their platform.

云飞：对，因为米哈游毕竟也是原始，也拿过几个App Store的奖嘛。
Yun Fei: Yes, because miHoYo is, after all, an original developer and has also won several awards from the App Store.

飘哥：是的。
Brother Piao: Yes.

云飞：所以说，等于是很重要的开发者。他就去，库克就去参观米哈游了。那我们正好跟双方的关系都还不错，所以说我们也是有机会啊，可以去见一见库克。
Yun Fei: So, it means that they are very important developers. If he's going, Cook will also visit miHoYo. Our relationship with both sides is pretty good, so we have the opportunity to go and meet Cook.

飘哥：哈哈，看一下库克真人到底是什么样。说到库克真人啊，给我最深刻印象的，其实是他这个人是真的非常的没有架子。
Brother Piao: Haha, let's see what Cook is really like in person. Speaking of Cook in person, the most impressive thing to me is that he is truly down-to-earth and humble.

云飞：对，他很和善。他一进来以后…
Yun Fei: Yes, he is very kind and amiable. Once he enters...

飘哥：第一件事情，就是跟在场所有的，不管是任何人，先握了一遍手。
Brother Piao: The first thing he did was to shake hands with everyone present, regardless of who they were.

云飞：然后我一个印象特别深的是，库克的英语是我见过的所有的大佬里面说的最慢最清晰的。
Yun Fei: And one impression that stands out to me is that Cook speaks English the slowest and clearest among all the industry leaders I've encountered.

飘哥：而且，真的所有人都能听懂。就是他会用那种很慢很温柔的语速，然后去跟你把这些东西讲得一点一点一点讲明白。
Brother Piao: Moreover, everyone can truly understand him. He uses a slow and gentle pace to explain things to you, making sure to clarify every detail step by step.

云飞：你只要学过英语，你一定能听懂。确实，这特别的特别的为别人考虑吧。我觉得这个其实挺厉害的。而且，在这个过程当中，你会发现他是一个很好的倾听者。你有没有发现，他在比如说大伟哥讲的时候，或者是米哈游的其他朋友在讲的时候，他是一直在那静静地听，他们在说什么，然后去思考，然后去给出他认为的这种意见和反馈。
Yun Fei: If you have learned English, you will definitely understand. Indeed, Cook shows exceptional consideration for others. I think it's quite impressive. Moreover, throughout this process, you'll notice that he is a great listener. Have you noticed that when people like Brother Wei or other friends from miHoYo speak, he quietly listens, carefully understanding what they are saying, and then reflects upon it to provide his thoughts and feedback.

飘哥：对对对，我印象非常深刻的是有两个场景啊。一个是HOYO-MiX，在讲到这个音乐制作的时候，提到了苹果的Logic Pro。
Brother Piao: Yes, yes, yes. I have two particularly memorable scenes. One of them is HOYO-MiX, where they talked about music production and mentioned Apple's Logic Pro.

云飞：对他们带他去了一个这个录音室…
Yun Fei: Yes, they took him to a recording studio...

飘哥：是的对。
Brother Piao: Yes.

云飞：…然后给他听了这个《崩坏》的音乐。
Yun Fei: ...and played music from *Honkai* for him to listen.

飘哥：《崩三》的那个《毕业旅行》的那个歌
Brother Piao: The song in "Graduation Trip" from *Honkai Impact 3rd*.

云飞：对对对对，然后库克就特别去看到这个Logic Pro啊。
Yun Fei: Yes, yes, yes, and then Cook specifically went to see this Logic Pro.

飘哥：他印象特别深，他有那种感觉，就是我们的工具被用在实处了，他就会非常开心。第二个场景啊，实际上是在提到M2芯片的时候啊，他非常的激动。
Brother Piao: He had a deep impression, and he has that feeling that our tools are being used in practical ways, which makes him very happy. The second scene, actually, was when they mentioned the M2 chip, and he was extremely excited.

云飞：对！
Yun Fei: Right!

飘哥：非常激动地说我们的芯片是非常强的，就是他很信任自家的产品，而且为此感到骄傲。那就像这个饭馆炒的菜，老板你看吃不吃，显然他们是吃的。
Brother Piao: He was really excited, saying that our chips are very powerful. He has great trust in their own products and feels proud of them. It's like the dishes cooked in this restaurant. The boss asks, "Would you like to try?" Obviously, they did try and enjoyed it.

云飞：确实，我觉得他很信任自家产品，一直在强调说M2这个“powerful”，他说的是特别好，像说的是“extremely powerful”。对，他特别信任这件事情。
Yun Fei: Indeed, I feel that he has great trust in their own products. He consistently emphasizes how "powerful" the M2 is, and he describes it as exceptionally strong, almost like saying it's "extremely powerful." Yes, he has a special trust in this matter.

飘哥：而且啊，不仅是库克，大伟哥其实也给了我很深的印象。我不知道你有没有注意到这个细节啊，还是在刚才HOYO-MiX介绍的时候。那个时候，蔡老师就是他们的作曲，想把这个歌呢先停下来，让顾客有这个时间去参观下一个行程。然后呢，大伟哥其实拉住了蔡老师，然后跟这个蔡老师说：“哎，你让顾客把这个听完”。大伟哥对他们的产品、对他们的音乐也好，对他们的游戏也好，也特别的骄傲。你看大伟哥在介绍他们产品的时候，那种就是发自内心的那种，那种开心啊喜悦。他真的是，他给库克讲的很热情，就是特别热情，特别热情。
Brother Piao: Moreover, not only Cook, but Brother Wei also left a deep impression on me. I don't know if you noticed this detail during the HOYO-MiX presentation. It happened when Teacher Cai [Jinhan], their composer, wanted to pause the song and give the visitors time to move on to the next itinerary. At that moment, Brother Wei held onto Teacher Cai and said, "Hey, let the visitors finish listening to this." Brother Wei is very proud of their products, their music, and their games. You could see the genuine joy and happiness from Brother Wei when he introduced their products, coming from deep within. He truly spoke passionately to Cook, showing immense enthusiasm—truly passionate, very passionate.

云飞：听完这个之后，反正我们也是找到一些机会去聊了两个问题吧。我就我问库克问了两个，真的很不容易。
Yun Fei: After listening to all of this, anyway, we also managed to find some opportunities to discuss two questions. I personally asked Cook two questions, and it wasn't easy, really.

飘哥：能跟库克面对面相问的这种机会。
Brother Piao: The opportunity to personally ask questions face-to-face with Cook.

云飞：我的天，我特别特别紧张，我怕我说错什么东西。
Yun Fei: Oh my god, I was extremely nervous. I was afraid of saying something wrong.

飘哥：我那时候看他整个人都在抖啊抖！
Brother Piao: At that time, I saw him trembling, his whole body shaking!

云飞：根本根本不知道我这个该怎么讲，是不是挺梦幻的感觉，有点梦幻有点梦幻。
Yun Fei: I absolutely have no idea how to express this. It feels quite dreamlike, a bit surreal, a bit dreamlike.

飘哥：说说看我们到底问了些什么。
Brother Piao: Let me tell you what exactly we asked.

## After visiting miHoYo, what are your thoughts on the success of miHoYo and *Genshin Impact*?

云飞：对，那一个就是他看完米哈油对吧？看完这个大伟哥讲解之后，怎么看一个感想？对，怎么看这个《原神》的成功对吧？因为大伟哥给他介绍了这个历史，创业的这个故事。所以说库哥觉得说，这个特别特别的了不起，因为你可能从一个很小的团队。
Yun Fei: Yes, that's what he saw after watching miHoYo, right? After watching Brother Wei's explanation, what are his thoughts? Yes, how does he view the success of *Genshin Impact*? Because Brother Wei introduced him to the history and the story of the company's entrepreneurship. So Brother Cook thinks that it's truly remarkable, as you may start from a very small team.

飘哥：做到今天一个三人团队。
Brother Piao: Achieving today with just a three-person team.

云飞：然后，然后做到千人？我，我印象也，库克有一个特别特别，特别佩服的是，他们把这个游戏输出到海外去了。
Yun Fei: And then, they achieved thousands of players? I, I also have the impression that Cook has a particular admiration, he's especially impressed by the fact that they expanded the reach of the game overseas.

飘哥：对，因为我，印象特别深刻的就是他一直在强调，worldwide这件事情是。
Brother Piao: Yes, because what left a deep impression on me is that he consistently emphasized the worldwide aspect.

云飞：就因为，因为有很大一部分的这个收入是来自海外市场的，是的。那么库克对这个是非常非常佩服，他觉得中国的开发者，游戏开发者能够，就是出海然后去卖到全球，对吧，把这个作品给推到全球啊，这个是一件很了不起的事情。
Yun Fei: It's because, a significant portion of the revenue comes from the overseas market, yes. Cook is extremely impressed by this, as he believes that Chinese developers, game developers, are able to go global and sell their products worldwide. It's truly remarkable to him that they can successfully promote their works globally.

飘哥：我还有一个印象，他有一个词是强调了的“should be”，这个事就应该是这样。
Brother Piao: I have another impression. He emphasized a phrase "should be," indicating that things should be done in a certain way.

云飞：酷酷会是觉得说，这个你这个开发者就本来就应该是，做到全球的这样一个。
Yun Fei: Cook feels that as a developer, it should naturally be your goal to achieve a global presence.

飘哥：让大家都用的好。
Brother Piao: Making it usable and beneficial for everyone.

云飞：对对对，那这个是很了不起。这比你在本地一个市场做好是要难很多的。
Yun Fei: Yes, yes, that's really impressive. It's much more challenging to succeed globally than to excel in a local market.

## How does Apple attract developers to participate in app development on the Apple platform?

飘哥：对，又又要更难而且更有意义。然后第二个问题呢，是提到了关于苹果的这些开发者们，有什么样的东西可以吸引他们在iOS平台上、iPad OS平台上去开发。
Brother Piao: Yes, it's even more challenging yet meaningful. Now, the second question raised was about what aspects can attract developers to develop on the iOS platform and iPad OS platform within Apple.

云飞：我就问他说，这个你要怎么留住开发者？
Yun Fei: I asked him how they plan to retain developers.

飘哥：哈哈，是的。
Brother Piao: Haha, that's right.

云飞：那库克是觉得说，首先第一个就是开发者本身，他是得有热情，能做到像你还有这个体量的一开始都是很有热情的。
Yun Fei: Cook believes that first and foremost, developers themselves need to have passion. To achieve the level and scale like yours, they must have had a strong passion from the beginning.

飘哥：是的。
Brother Piao: Right.

云飞：第二就是苹果，他有一些这种孵化器，是的，在上海也有孵化器。所以他们会有一些这种扶持政策，对，然后包括他也会提供一些工具。苹果肯定会有开发工具、他们套件，对吧，这些Xcode的这些ARKit之类的一些东西。包括啊，就是库克还提到，就是说，因为你在各个地区要上架App Store。
Yun Fei: The second aspect is that Apple has incubators, including one in Shanghai. They have supportive policies and provide tools for developers. Apple definitely offers development tools and suites like Xcode and ARKit. Additionally, Cook mentioned that since you want to publish your app on the App Store in various regions.

飘哥：哦。
Brother Piao: Oh.

云飞：对对，每个地方都会有规矩，都会有法律。那么这个，其实苹果也会帮开发者去解决各种问题，提供建议。包括库克也没有忘记跨一下自家的产品。哎，特别强调的时候，这个芯片很强，对，iPad很强，非常强，iPad Pro特别特别强。我还记得印象很深的是，开发者给他演示《星穹铁道》的时候，他专门问了一句，而且，iPad是怎么样服务你们的，你觉得我们这个M2怎么样。当然，这些开发者们肯定是要…
Yun Fei: Yes, yes, each place has its own rules, its own laws. And Apple actually helps developers navigate through these and solve various problems, providing advice. Cook also didn't forget to mention their own products. Ah, during the emphasis, he mentioned that the chip is powerful, yes, the iPad is powerful, very powerful, and the iPad Pro is especially strong. I remember a vivid moment when a developer demonstrated *Honkai: Star Rail* to him, and he specifically asked, "And how does the iPad serve you? How do you find our M2?" Of course, these developers certainly...

飘哥：开发者的原话是：“我们觉得这个不比有些PC都强”。
Brother Piao: The developer's exact words were, "We feel that this is even more powerful than some PCs."

云飞：对，不比PC差的那确实确实。我觉得库克真的对自己家产品非常非常有自信的啊。
Yun Fei: Yes, it's true that it's not inferior to PCs. I believe that Cook truly has a lot of confidence in his own products.

飘哥：是的，其实今天虽然有这么好的机会，但我还是特别紧张，怕说错什么。
Brother Piao: Yes, actually, even though we have such a great opportunity today, I'm still very nervous and afraid of saying something wrong.

云飞：但是有一件事情很可惜，我没有跟他合影。哎呀，这太可惜了，我真的特别想和库克合影。
Yun Fei: But there's one thing that's a pity, I didn't take a photo with him. Oh well, it's such a shame, I really wanted to have a picture with Cook.

飘哥：人家是大忙人，因为接下来他可能还有行程，所以在工作人员的安排下就有点可惜。
Brother Piao: He is a busy person, and he might have had other engagements scheduled, so it's a bit of a pity according to the arrangements made by the staff.

云飞：不过也好好让我们跟大伟哥合影啊。
Yun Fei: But it would have been nice to take a photo with Brother Wei as well.

飘哥：确实跟大伟哥合影了。
Brother Piao: Indeed, we did take a photo with Brother Wei.

云飞：这个也值得吹一天了。好吧，把大伟哥P成库克就行了。
Yun Fei: This is worth bragging about for a day. Well, just [use] Photoshop [to make] Brother Wei to look like Cook.

飘哥：啊，确实，确实。
Brother Piao: Ah, indeed, indeed.

云飞：弥补一下我们的这个遗憾对吧。啊，确实啊。那么就跟你们报告一下这个事情，我们去见了一面库克。对库克的印象还是蛮深刻的。是的，我们也觉得他是一个很值得尊敬的一个公司的领导者。
Yun Fei: Let's make up for this regret, right? Ah, yes, so let me report to you about this. We had the opportunity to meet Cook. Our impression of Cook was quite profound. Yes, we also believe that he is a highly respectable leader of the company.

飘哥：当然呢，见库克啊，我们可能就没有办法去问一些那么尖锐的、那么技术性的问题了。毕竟在这个立场上面还是有所顾虑的。
Brother Piao: Of course, when meeting Cook, we probably couldn't ask him some sharp or technical questions. After all, there were certain concerns given our position.

云飞：而且而且，我觉得如果你要问一些技术问题的话，可能问工程师会更合适一点。
Yun Fei: Moreover, I think if you want to ask some technical questions, it might be more appropriate to ask the engineers.

飘哥：是的啊。
Brother Piao: Yes.

云飞：并且，如果你问他A17什么时候上市，他绝对是不会回答你的。
Yun Fei: And if you ask him when the A17 will be released, he definitely won't answer you.

飘哥：这种话怎么能问呢？但是不管怎么样，我们今天算是真正见到了一回库克，理解了作为一个真正的大人物，他身上那种谦和和品质。有这样的机会，我们是非常激动的。
Brother Piao: How could we ask such a question? But regardless, today we truly met Cook and understood what it means to encounter such a significant figure. His humility and qualities were apparent. We are extremely thrilled to have had this opportunity.

云飞：的我现在当年回国粉我去见库克，我还专门换了台iPhone。
Yun Fei: And now, as a fan who returned to China, I went to meet Cook. I even specifically bought a new iPhone.

飘哥：赶紧把你的S23换上来吧！
Brother Piao: Hurry up and switch to your S23!

云飞：正好在拍视频！
Yun Fei: We're actually filming a video right now!

飘哥：S23视频什么时候出？
Brother Piao: When will the S23 video be released?

云飞：马上出，马上出，哈哈哈！
Yun Fei: Coming out soon, coming out soon, hahaha!

飘哥：好了，那就这样吧。我们去赶视频了。各位，拜拜拜拜！
Brother Piao: Alright, let's wrap it up. We need to go catch a video. Bye, everyone!