ATC Political Hotbead

*"Politics were never needed on this wiki. At first I was all for politics, but I have changed."*  - See more

## Sides

### Side One

Yes User:NotFinland, User:Finolian, User:MGG3923, User:SanFransiscoMapping(Will continue soon)

### Side Two

No User:AlphaBeta906, User:Poxy4, User:PatriotMapperOMSBand(will continue soon)

### Side Three

Not Sure User:Liuan333, User:ThatPatrioticGuy (will continue soon)

## Result

### Loses

Nothing

The ATC Political Hotbead was a Political Hotbead that argued on whether or not Politics should exist on this wiki.

## History

### Context

Following the April Revolution (phase 1 of the ATC Civil War), Leonidas, or Leo, form the Popular Revolutionary Leonidasian Party (PRLP) as the first political party. Patriot soon followed suit with the ATC Jacobin Club. These two parties clashed in the Leo Conflict (phase 2 of the ATC Civil).

Later, on April 28, 2021, more drama insued and the political parties were involved simply because the people leading them were involved.

### Controversy

Eventually, Freecoder suggested that political parties were to blame for the drama. He contacted Liuan, and a poll was put up.

The poll soon became very controversial as Alpha fought to defend the Alphadonian Party. It became clear people were picking sides and the "ATC Political Hotbed" started.

### Reactions

In reaction to the conflict, Liuan soon seemed move closer to the idea that politics should be banned. Alpha and Poxy began arguing in favor of keep politics, though both sides seemed to misunderstand what *politics* are.

### Resolution

Eventually, Liuan passed a resolution to move politics away from the main ATC wiki and created a new wiki for politics. This became controversial, and the ATC Admins voted to remove Liuan from his position as vice-owner of the ATC Wiki.

#### A Note Speech (Liuan)

*Main article: A Note Speech*

"Politics were never needed on this wiki. At first I was all for politics, but I have changed. Back then, when this wiki was empty, we didn't even have presidents and elections, let alone politics. Our wiki should function like a normal wiki, with a team of Admins to rule the wiki. Yes, the people should be represented, and we could have a president, but Politics aren't needed here. Here is a timeline of Politics:

The Creation of the Wiki-2020 Political Election

Politics weren't really a 'thing' you just create a party and welp, that party didn't really exist.

2020 Political Election-2021 Political Election

Politics were growing, and parties were forming, but the Political Era was still pretty weak.

2021 Political Election-ATC Civil War

Without elections, politics didn't exist here. So it was pretty peaceful.

This all changed with Leo. Leo formed the first Political Party, followed by patriot. Soon more were following suit. And look what happened! The VTerror Attacks! The events of 4/28 (PPP-Freecoder War, Second ATC Civil War, Second Leo Comeback)! Politics weren't really needed. It created chaos in the wiki. Chaos, instability, everything like that. This is why without politics, we can create a better, peaceful, normal, and prosperous wiki like the rest of them.

I have seen a lot of other wikis turn Political. Polcompball Anarchy went to politics over Quark. All I saw was arguing over there. Politics only create drama, 'violence', and a danger of being banned. This speech was by Liuan333 near 12:00 at 5/17/21"

#### Yes to politics! (Alpha)

"This might be my worst note or the greatest speech in ATC History, depending on which side you’re on, but this is my opinion.

I dont see as to why you want Political Parties to be gone, maybe you’re fallen to a apples and oranges fallacy stating that:

“politics cause drama, politics are in political parties, so lets kill them!”

Or logically thought that we dont need politics anymore saying:

“There has been no elections since a while so lets remove it”.

But mostly:

“**THIS IS NOT HOW NORMAL WIKIS ACT LIKE!!!111**”

Politics, Elections and whatnot are the face of the wiki and what makes us original from the countless wikis out there. Politics is our source power. If you dont agree, you have to look at this, peace right? Well until now atleast where war is on the sprink of verging. But before we are in a 1 month peace period.

Other wars are not political though, the only one that was was the Leo Confict. Second Civil War, responce to drama from the PPP-Freecoder War. the PPP-Freecoder War, drama. Even the Civil War was a responce to dictatorship

So, I dont really see why you want them gone, but I wont let you."

#### My Opinion (Patriot)

"Dear Alternate Territories Community (ATC),

I have recently seen all the drama going around about whether or not we should remove politics. This is my opinion: We should keep politics! Here are some reasons...

**Part I: What Are Politics?**

Before we can jump to a conclusion about whether we should or shouldn't remove politics, we need to understand what they are. Politics are more than just groups of people, or political parties, screaming at each other (\*cough cough\* 2020 election \*cough cough\*). Politics are what make us different from one another. Politics are actually people's opinions on how things should or shouldn't be. By removing politics, you are effectively removing our rights of free thinking, opinions, and speech.

**Part II: Political Parties**

Political parties have more importance to people than you think. Political parties are collective organizations of people that can come together to *democraticly* figure out how to solve issues.

**Part III: Human Rights**

Going back to Part I, I said removing politics is effectively removing our rights of free thinking, opinions, and speech. I wasn't exagerating. Based on what politics ACTUALLY are, removing it is essentially forcing us to loose all of our special qualities that make us *us*.

**Part IV: Conclusion**

So, in conclusion, should we remove politics? No. The only benefit to it could possibly be preventing drama, but drama is invetible. There is not a *single person* on this wiki who hasn't ever been in an argument. So, with that taken into account, there is literally no good reason to ban politics.

So now, whenever someone says "politics suck" or "politics cause problems", hopefully now, you know better. (Yes, I just did a Knowing Better styled outro)"

### Beginning of the End

#### May Constitution

After Patriot's *My Opinion* speech, Alpha proposed a May Revolution to Patriot. Patriot rejected the idea, instead opting to write a May Constitution. Alpha accepted and the May Constitution was written

Poxy approved of the May Constitution, and Liuan mostly supported it.

#### Alpha

In the background, Alpha and Liuan were still arguing over the political party situation.