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AFKClearPM
10:15
Mishkaiel
ayy lmbo
ayy lmbo
ayy lmbo
ayy lmbo
ayy lmbo
10:15
ZXSpidermanXZ
Did you not see the derp.
10:15
Ajraddatz
haha wow
10:15
ZXSpidermanXZ

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10:15
Bourgeoisie
haha
april fools!
Welcome to the LEGO Message Boards Wiki chat; be sure to read our Chat Policy!
10:15
Slicer Vorzakh
Test
10:15
Ajraddatz
i think it's a bit late
10:15
ToneTyphoon
20 days late
10:15
Paulinekovaleva
Aaaand there's the reason Mish shouldn't've clicked that
10:15
MorganShadowheart
Passed.
10:15
Ajraddatz
ninja'd
10:15
Slicer Vorzakh
Test
10:15
Nightfall395
lel
Bourgeoisie has been banned by ZXSpidermanXZ .
10:15
Mishkaiel
kay, what did that do? :P
10:16
Slicer Vorzakh
Woah what?
10:16
Ajraddatz
ahahahaa
10:16
ToneTyphoon
well, he's the only person who would have been tricked by it
10:16
Nightfall395
mish
10:16
RusMan
What?
10:16
Paulinekovaleva
You just flooded chat, Mish
10:16
ZXSpidermanXZ
Yeah no.
10:16
Mishkaiel
whaaaaaaaaaaaaat did that do?
10:16
Slicer Vorzakh
What happened?
10:16
Nightfall395
it made you spam "ayy lmbo"
10:16
Paulinekovaleva
^
10:16
Slicer Vorzakh
Oh wow
10:16
Lunaicus
wow
10:16
Three-19-14

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10:16
Psychos-R-Us
Stupid chat keeps glitching. (UD)
10:16
Nightfall395
lel
The wild Marcel77799 has fled!
10:16
Mishkaiel
my chat froze, I had to refresh
10:16
MorganShadowheart
They need to add a erase chat button.
10:16
Three-19-14
It killed chat for me.
10:16
RusMan
It didnt flood for me :p
10:16
Nightfall395
morgan that exists lol
10:16
Paulinekovaleva
There is one with chat hacks, Morgan
10:16
Mishkaiel
what happened again? chat just came back on
10:16
MorganShadowheart
REally
Where?
10:16
ZXSpidermanXZ
Mish, it made you spam.
10:16
Paulinekovaleva
Mish, the code made you spam
10:16
BusyCityGirl
Totally locked up my iPod O.o
10:16
RusMan
Im fine :p
10:16
ToneTyphoon
you were gullible Mish
10:16
Nightfall395
at first I thought nigma was controlling mish but then I realized that he would never just use "lmbo"
10:16
ToneTyphoon
that's what happened
10:17
Psychos-R-Us
You murdered my chat. (UD)
10:17
Mishkaiel

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xD
10:17
RusMan
We have his code! :o
10:17
ZXSpidermanXZ
And guys my derps mean i'm derping. It's a derp.
10:17
Ajraddatz
lol mish
10:17
ZXSpidermanXZ
I was joking (ud)
10:17
Psychos-R-Us
Pm three and BCG. :p
10:17
Three-19-14
Nice, Mish (clap)
10:17
Mishkaiel
how much spam was there? xD
10:17
RusMan
Oh now I see it :p
10:17
Nightfall395
a lot
10:17
BusyCityGirl
Sorry psy I was frozen :p
10:17
RusMan
A lot :p
10:17
ZXSpidermanXZ
Enough to make me lag out.
10:17
Mishkaiel
unintentional spam is teh best way xD
is it gonna be on logs? xD
10:17
Nightfall395
no idea
10:18
ZXSpidermanXZ
I wonder how many people would've banned mish instead of Bourge? :p
10:18
RusMan

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10:18
Mishkaiel
hope so, I wanna see what happened xD
10:18
Psychos-R-Us
I'm PMing you BCG. :p
10:18
ToneTyphoon
Psy, she's on an iPod, she lags like crazy
10:18
RusMan
Well it was obvious it was from bourg :p
10:18
ToneTyphoon
be freakin patient
10:18
Mishkaiel
10:18
Nightfall395
mish would never say something like that
10:18
Psychos-R-Us
I'm on an old iPad. :p
10:18
Paulinekovaleva
Mish, and that's why you don't click on random links Bourg gives you. xD
10:18
Nightfall395
even just "ayy lmbo" is insanely far for mish
10:19
Mishkaiel
10:19
Paulinekovaleva
Well, Psyc, hers is very insanely glitchy
10:19
Psychos-R-Us
Per Pauline :p
10:19
Mishkaiel
10:19
Nightfall395
so any CM who knows mish wouldn't have banned him :P
10:19
Ajraddatz
or you could not ban anyone :D
10:19
ZXSpidermanXZ
IKR Dama xD
10:19
ToneTyphoon
cause iPod=iPad (ys)
10:19
BusyCityGirl
Psy mine is way older I bet
10:19
ToneTyphoon

* holds in insult\*

10:19
ZXSpidermanXZ
It was just a day AJR :p
10:19
ToneTyphoon

* tries hard to not insult\*

10:19
ZXSpidermanXZ
And he deserved a ban. :p
10:19
Psychos-R-Us
@BCG probably :p
10:19
Ajraddatz
"deserved"
10:19
ToneTyphoon

* not gonna say it I swear\*

10:19
Mishkaiel
what did I say and what does it mean? (UD)
10:19
Ajraddatz
oh lmbw people
10:19
ZXSpidermanXZ
Bourge knows perfectly well what's acceptable. :p
10:19
Psychos-R-Us
Tone, be a brick some other time. :p
10:19
ZXSpidermanXZ
It's funny how he claims to hate trolls (derp)
10:20
BusyCityGirl
Gtg
10:20
Slicer Vorzakh
Ajr how would he not deserve that?
10:20
Psychos-R-Us
Be o/

* bye

10:20
Nightfall395
iz an ipod spodermen's ipad
10:20
Mishkaiel

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10:20
Paulinekovaleva
Bye Tygi o/
10:20
ToneTyphoon
using brick as a euphemism (link)
10:20
RusMan
Mish here is a screenshot http://imgur.com/ktZaRHG
10:20
Ajraddatz
people don't deserve bans, it's a bad way to approach it
10:20
ToneTyphoon
what is this, kindergarten?
cya Cici o/
10:20
Psychos-R-Us
@tone I get away with a lot on the MBs that way :p
10:20
Mishkaiel

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O_O  O_O  O_O  O_O

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whathe
10:20
Three-19-14

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10:20
BusyCityGirl
Cya o/
10:20
Mishkaiel

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(fp)  (fp)  (fp)  (fp)

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10:20
Nightfall395
pretty sure technically you can get gblocked for flooding chat
10:20
Slicer Vorzakh
OK Aj, how about they earn bans :-) ?
10:20
MorganShadowheart

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10:20
ToneTyphoon
yeah, but there's no point in using it here
10:20
Ajraddatz
nah not that either
10:20
Slicer Vorzakh
Or receive them :-) ?
10:20
ToneTyphoon
I'm perfectly aware that it's an MB thing
10:21
Nightfall395
and since meiko was technically the cause of it
10:21
ZXSpidermanXZ

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10:21
Nightfall395
he's lucky
10:21
Mishkaiel
what does tha t even mean?
10:21
Psychos-R-Us
Go to the SSSUBC and you'll see "Psycho is scared Brickless" and stuff. :p
10:21
Ajraddatz
yeah, using malicious code is a ToU offence iirc
10:21
Psychos-R-Us
I swear, that Chatroom went to hell after I joined. :p
10:21
ZXSpidermanXZ
LMB = Laughing My Butt Off.
10:21
Mishkaiel

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10:21
ToneTyphoon

* LMBO

10:21
Nightfall395
"LMB"
and thus we have another amazing typo here people
10:21
Three-19-14
Well now........
10:21
Psychos-R-Us
Pm three. :p
10:22
RusMan
Lego Message Boards...O :p
10:22
Three-19-14

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O_O

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10:22
Mishkaiel

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(fw)

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10:22
ZXSpidermanXZ

* LMBO (ud)

The wild BusyCityGirl has fled!
10:22
Mishkaiel
(fwp)

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10:22
Three-19-14
"face wall palm"
10:22
ZXSpidermanXZ
FWP = Facewallpalm
xD
10:22
Mishkaiel
xD new emote needed
10:22
ZXSpidermanXZ
Yus (sie)
10:22
Slicer Vorzakh
Inb4 meiko figures out the unban script :-)
10:23
Nart L. Chipikal
the wall has hands :c
10:23
Ajraddatz
inb4 he already knows how to but didn't

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10:23
ZXSpidermanXZ
The unban script was removed by wiki staff :p
They fixed it :p
The wild Madkatmaximus has fled!
10:23
Ajraddatz
nah it's still broken
10:23
ZXSpidermanXZ
Oh :p
Well Ed doesn't know then (as)
10:23
Slicer Vorzakh
Never trust wikia staff to "fix" anything Spidey (derp)
10:23
ZXSpidermanXZ
Rude Slice (as)
10:23
Slicer Vorzakh
IDK (derp)
10:24
Nightfall395
has ed even attacked since it was supposedly fixed
10:24
Slicer Vorzakh

* IDC

10:24
Nightfall395
all the dupes were craptiid afaik
10:24
Slicer Vorzakh
How long ago was it?
10:24
ZXSpidermanXZ
The Football guy was Ed.
Mad checked
10:24
RusMan
Im getting pings for some reason
10:24
Nightfall395
He was? :P
10:24
ZXSpidermanXZ
Yup.
10:24
Psychos-R-Us
I knew it was Ed. :p
10:24
ZXSpidermanXZ
I talked to Mad in hopes of getting crypt permabanned =)
10:25
Slicer Vorzakh
Not perm a banned but definitely for a while
10:25
ZXSpidermanXZ
At least a year.
10:25
RusMan
i would hate being perma banned from here
10:25
ZXSpidermanXZ
Enough for him to grow up. =)
The wild RusMan has fled!
10:25
Nightfall395
hey three
10:25
Mishkaiel
how old is crypt?
10:25
Three-19-14
Yes?
10:25
Nightfall395
you're three
10:25
Ajraddatz
anyway as I was saying, there are four reasons to ban someone
10:25
Nightfall395
http://coppa.org - You must be 13 or older to legally have an account on Wikia.
10:25
ToneTyphoon
being permabanned from here would inconvenience me in no way
A wild RusMan has appeared!
10:26
Three-19-14
I know.
10:26
Psychos-R-Us
I/
10:26
Ajraddatz
deterrence, to prevent future abuse (good idea!)
rehabilitation, to help fix their behaviour (doesn't work online)
10:26
RusMan
Tone more songs? :p
10:26
Ajraddatz
justice, to get retribution for past wrongs (doesn't work either IRL to prevent crime or onwiki)
10:26
ToneTyphoon
uh, how about some Depeche Mode

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10:26
ZXSpidermanXZ
Well at least Crypt is blocked for 3 months :p
10:26
RusMan
K :p
10:26
Three-19-14
3 months?
I think I missed something
10:27
Ajraddatz
and one more that I forgot but it doesn't work online either
10:27
Nightfall395
meiko's was definitely the first
10:27
ToneTyphoon
Soothe My Soul @Rus
10:27
RusMan
K
10:27
Slicer Vorzakh
How was that not the first?
10:27
ZXSpidermanXZ
Yeah, I usually like Meiko but he can be a troll on chat
10:27
Slicer Vorzakh
Spidey pm
10:27
ZXSpidermanXZ
When he's serious though he does good word.

* work

10:28
Ajraddatz
because you are banning him for only a day even though you think he's a troll
10:28
ZXSpidermanXZ
/can be a troll/
10:28
Ajraddatz
your ban is entirely "punishment" - you broke the rules so you serve the time
how many times has he been banned? it clearly isn't working
10:28
ZXSpidermanXZ
It's to show that that is unacceptable and hopefully he will never do it again.
10:28
Ajraddatz
I'm not suggesting he should be unbanned or banned for longer
10:28
Slicer Vorzakh
What are you then?
10:28
ToneTyphoon
you do realize that that won't happen, right?
@Spidey
10:28
Ajraddatz
I'm just saying that you're approaching this from the wrong perspective
10:28
ToneTyphoon
like, cmon
10:28
Slicer Vorzakh

* you suggesting

10:29
ToneTyphoon
stop kidding yourself
10:29
Slicer Vorzakh
What would you do here?
10:29
ZXSpidermanXZ
Bourge actually was good for a couple months :p
10:29
ToneTyphoon
lol
naw, he trolled a little still
10:29
ZXSpidermanXZ
I respect Bourge, he really helped this wiki.
10:29
Ajraddatz
honestly, in this case I wouldn't ban him. he was just having fun and wasn't planning on doing it again
10:29
RusMan
Kinda xool song,tone
10:29
Ajraddatz
therefore nothing to deter
10:29
RusMan

* cool

Depeche mode :p
10:29
Slicer Vorzakh
How do you know he wouldn't?
And you can call Ed's invading fun as well, with that logic
10:30
Nightfall395
why is "he was just having fun" even considered a reason not to ban
10:30
ZXSpidermanXZ
AJ, you and I have very different ideas on how to moderate, we'll just leave it at that. I don't want to argue but I do have legitimate reasons :p
10:30
RusMan

* cool band

10:30
Ajraddatz
my ideas are based on criminology and years of experience with best practices on wikis
10:30
ToneTyphoon
yeah, they're unique :P
10:30
Ajraddatz
what is yours based on :D ?
10:31
ToneTyphoon
his head
10:31
ZXSpidermanXZ
Past experience on moderating in many different places including wikia =)
10:31
ToneTyphoon
he thought em up
10:31
RusMan
'P
10:31
ToneTyphoon

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10:31
Slicer Vorzakh
10:31
RusMan

* :p

10:31
Mishkaiel
could we talk about osemting else for a change, and not gosspi about snother wuser here?

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:P

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10:31
Slicer Vorzakh
But mish
This isnlmbw
10:31
Three-19-14
"snother wuser"
10:31
Slicer Vorzakh
Its unheard if
10:32
Psychos-R-Us
Mich, go to bed. :p

* mish

10:32
Mishkaiel
it's lmbow (derp)

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yah, I'm going tbed
10:32
ToneTyphoon
laughing my butt off wiki
10:32
Three-19-14
Do the lmbow
10:32
RusMan

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:p

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10:32
Three-19-14
how low can you go?
10:32
Nightfall395
lmbow
lel
10:32
Psychos-R-Us
I can go pretty low. (evil)
10:32
Three-19-14

* ahem\*

10:33
Psychos-R-Us
Pm three. (troll)

* Psychos-R-Us impales some random person with the lmbow pole (evil)

10:34
Ajraddatz
well imma head off then
10:34
MorganShadowheart
9/
10:34
Ajraddatz
congrats again on being a chatmod, it is a position of great power and responsibility
10:34
MorganShadowheart

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o/

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10:34
Ajraddatz
lol
bai
10:34
Mishkaiel

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o/

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The wild Mishkaiel has fled!
10:35
MorganShadowheart
I want a self driving car.
A wild Izzybe5 has appeared!
10:35
RusMan
What about a self flying car?
10:35
Psychos-R-Us
I don't. :p
The wild Ajraddatz has fled!
10:35
RusMan
(Harry Potter )
10:35
Psychos-R-Us
IZZY MY BAE (Bret)
10:35
ZXSpidermanXZ
AJ is such a freaking butt.
What a troll.
10:35
Nightfall395
once again
10:35
ZXSpidermanXZ

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10:35
Nightfall395
can I like
10:35
RusMan
IZZABELLE O/
10:35
Nightfall395
Make this guy unlearn how to use (bret)
10:35
Paulinekovaleva
once again, per Dama
10:36
Three-19-14
Izzeh (sie)
10:36
Izzybe5
So I'm considering making myself a box of macaroni and cheese. (derp) ...but then I'd have to eat the entire box to get rid of the evidence. xD
10:36
Psychos-R-Us
Bret is awesome. :p
10:36
Three-19-14
Just make nachos
10:36
Izzybe5
not really
10:36
Three-19-14

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(bb)

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10:36
RusMan
Feed the box to the Cat
10:36
Psychos-R-Us
Do it, izzy. (evil)
10:36
Izzybe5
We have no taco meat. (derp2)
10:36
Slicer Vorzakh
I like how he makes fun of us for wanting a meager position of power, but complain every time we touch his dear meiko
10:36
RusMan
Or to the ghosts who come through your window (hp2)
A wild Bzbot has appeared!
10:36
Psychos-R-Us

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O/

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10:36
Nightfall395
get out meiko
10:36
Bzbot

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10:36
Slicer Vorzakh
Spidey
10:36
Izzybe5
Ghosts don't come in my window. (ys)
10:37
Slicer Vorzakh
Can you like not evade your ban
10:37
ZXSpidermanXZ
Yeah Slice?
A wild Ajraddatz has appeared!
10:37
Izzybe5
They live in my dining room. Duh. (derp)
10:37
RusMan
Or murderers :p
10:37
Slicer Vorzakh
Bzbot is meiko
10:37
Psychos-R-Us
Who dat? :p
10:37
Bzbot
what happened to madkat's logs
10:37
Slicer Vorzakh
She left
10:37
Bzbot
why did i get banned btw
Bzbot has been banned by ZXSpidermanXZ .
10:37
Ajraddatz
Slicer Vorzakh I like how he makes fun of us for wanting a meager position of power, but complain every time we touch his dear meiko
10:37
ZXSpidermanXZ
Oh you know why :p
10:37
Nightfall395
"why did i get banned btw"
10:37
Slicer Vorzakh
Take it like a man darn it
10:37
RusMan
Kick in da butt,meiko
10:37
Nightfall395

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(yk)  (yk)  (yk)

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10:37
Ajraddatz
not complaining for touching meiko
complaining for what you do in general
10:37
Psychos-R-Us
Pm three (Bret)
10:37
Slicer Vorzakh
Like?
10:37
Ajraddatz
just that I happen to see what happens with meiko more cuz he whines about it
10:38
Psychos-R-Us
Yes, Dama, I shall make you like Bret. :p
10:38
Izzybe5
Stop using the emote, psy. (ud)
10:38
Ajraddatz
things like
Slicer Vorzakh Take it like a man darn it
for example
10:38
Izzybe5

* that

10:38
Ajraddatz
are pretty sad

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:(

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10:38
Psychos-R-Us
But I like it, izzy. :p
He looks like a doofus. :p
10:38
Izzybe5
idc (derp4)
10:38
RusMan
Any more songs? :p
10:38
Slicer Vorzakh
Its against the rules to evade bans, and even though I know he disagrees with the rules, that gives him no freedom to break them
10:38
Izzybe5

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(bret) and  (jc) make me irrationally angry. xD

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10:38
Ajraddatz
"against the rules"
not an implicit justification for anything

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10:39
Slicer Vorzakh
Why not?
10:39
Psychos-R-Us
I make you irrationally angry. :p
10:39
Ajraddatz
because they are just rules
10:39
ToneTyphoon
Psy thinks he has an in
10:39
Ajraddatz
they have ultimately very little legitimacy, and need to be derived from popular support
10:39
RusMan
Tone ping
10:39
Slicer Vorzakh
"Just" rules?
10:39
Psychos-R-Us
An in? :p
10:40
ToneTyphoon
u know wut ah mean
10:40
RusMan
Any more songs? :p
10:40
Ajraddatz
because of that, it is more important to interpret them based on the overall context
10:40
ToneTyphoon
oh, more songs?
10:40
Psychos-R-Us
No, I don't. :p
10:40
RusMan
Ya :p
10:40
ToneTyphoon
ok, well
10:40
Ajraddatz
and idc about banning meiko's sock, that is fair
10:40
RusMan
Hope im not annoying you :p
10:40
ToneTyphoon
how about some led zeppelin (derp)
naw, you're not :P
10:40
Ajraddatz
but when that argument is used with other people
10:40
RusMan
Ok :p
Ajraddatz
the "you can't break the rules because they are the rules!!!" is an approach which doesn't even work IRL, how do you expect it to work on a wiki?
10:41
Psychos-R-Us
Pm izzy.... (sarcastic)
10:41
Izzybe5
I do not wish to PM. (derp)
10:41
Ajraddatz
rules are only as valid as the legitimacy that people see in the principles behind them
10:41
ToneTyphoon
Ramble On I guess :P
10:41
Ajraddatz
without that context, they are nothing. that's why it is so important to look at the context
10:41
Psychos-R-Us
You want to see it, izzy. (troll)
10:41
RusMan
K :p
10:42
Izzybe5
See what? (ys)
10:42
Psychos-R-Us

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(troll)

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10:42
Izzybe5
?
You are now away.
10:42
ZXSpidermanXZ
AJ, any mod on any wiki would ban Bourge for what he did. It was nothing personal. Bourge and I are friends. I was using my unbiased judgement.
10:42
Psychos-R-Us

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(Bret)

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10:42
Slicer Vorzakh
But obviously the community is just fine with these rules put in place or else they would have a petition to get rid of them.
10:42
Ajraddatz
idc about you banning bourg
I care why you did
and you did because he "deserved" it, which clearly is in keeping with the retribution approach, which is shown to not work

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10:43
Psychos-R-Us
Pm three :p
10:43
RusMan
My internets being slow :{p
10:43
ZXSpidermanXZ
I did it to keep the chat fair and undisruptive.
10:44
Ajraddatz
that's not what you said literally right after you did it
but if that is true, then it's valid enough I suppose
10:44
ZXSpidermanXZ
He also deserved it.
10:44
Ajraddatz
...
oh spiderman
10:44
ZXSpidermanXZ
I didn't know you would argue so i didn't think i had to explain it so clearly.
10:44
Ajraddatz
I'm not even arguing it
at no point have I said that he should be unbanned
10:44
RusMan
So far its cool
10:45
ZXSpidermanXZ
Saying he deserved it is just a simple that can be used to define a broad amount of reasons.
OK sorry you're right.
But the reason i gave you above is the specific reason he was banned.
The wild Psychos-R-Us has fled!
10:45
Ajraddatz
but it isn't... that language implies that he needs to be punished for some wrongdoing
which is retribution
which doesn't work
A wild Psychos-R-Us has appeared!
10:45
Ajraddatz
if you had reasons beyond that, then excellent
A wild Madkatmaximus has appeared!
10:46
ZXSpidermanXZ
Not punishing that behavior encourages that behavior.
10:46
Psychos-R-Us

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10:46
Slicer Vorzakh
Oh yay look its mad
10:46
ZXSpidermanXZ
If it goes unpunished then other members may think "Hey i can do it too"
10:46
Psychos-R-Us
I'm not sure Izzy saw my pm. :p
10:46
Ajraddatz
actually, there is no indication that punishment by retribution has any ability to deter
see various criminological literature
10:46
Psychos-R-Us
She would've screamed at me. :p
10:47
Ajraddatz
hence why it is not considered deterrence, but instead retribution
10:47
Izzybe5
How does one "scream" on a chat room? (derp) This is text, you are not doing a hearing of my voice. (derp)
10:47
ZXSpidermanXZ
This is an online chat... Why are you telling me to look up criminological records...
10:47
Ajraddatz
you're right that it does kind of because there is some element of deterrence in there as well, but an approach to banning that is more focussed on deterrence rather than punishment would accomplish this better
because it's the same thing
just on a smaller scale
and not records, literature i.e. peer reviewed research
You are no longer away.
10:48
Nightfall395
can you guys just
10:48
Psychos-R-Us
But I was trying to troll you, Izzy.  :(
10:48
Ajraddatz
anyway, imma go play civ. have a nice night
10:48
ZXSpidermanXZ
I'd have to disagree. But I do see your point.
10:48
Nightfall395
stop alreayd
10:48
Izzybe5
What is this conversation? And why is it happening?
10:48
Psychos-R-Us
Bye o/
10:48
ZXSpidermanXZ
But That does not change my opinion. We'll have to agree to disagree.
10:48
Ajraddatz
lol