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110:00 you have to wash your brushes every
110:02 night you have to put your oils in the
110:03 refrigerator so they don't dry out all
110:05 kinds of things with watercolor
110:08 you can go to a river you can take some
110:10 of the water of the river you can sit
110:12 down next to the river you can take your
110:13 color watercolors and you can paint a
110:15 picture of the river using the river
110:18 as part of the painting which is what
110:20 isaac always which is what um
110:22 winslow homer used to do so i um
110:26 i just love doing this i'm sorry
110:29 i use this to escape i this is my
110:30 escapism as you can tell i've
110:33 escaped in some bizarre places
110:35 are you still painting water coloring
110:36 dixon i haven't i haven't uh i've done
110:39 more photography recently than i have
110:41 painting but um i know but i gave you
110:43 one vincent and i was amazed that you
110:45 actually liked it and uh no so it's this
110:47 one here um
110:49 yeah that's the one again
110:52 which i have a copy of it hanging in my
110:54 office at columbia i absolutely love
110:55 this i just think the red ball the
110:57 little things coming out of it the
110:59 yeah
111:01 there's a biological underpinning to the
111:03 paintings that i guess
111:06 that'll come to the
111:08 incubator one day and be on the walls
111:10 here for sure kathy thank you so much
111:12 for picking up i am so thrilled that you
111:15 shared these with us and
111:17 i think everybody needs to stop
111:19 listening to twitter right now
111:21 so look at this site
111:23 so this is actually thank you to the
111:25 rest of the picks so now i'm an adjunct
111:27 at fordham and this is the art
111:28 department at fordham that actually
111:30 asked the faculty the adjunct faculty
111:32 whether they had any art that they
111:33 wanted to show and so i've i've had
111:35 actually two shows this is my second
111:37 show so i'm
111:38 very proud of that i thank all of my art
111:40 teachers for that
111:43 there's an exhibit in the in the lobby
111:45 of our building hammer building at
111:46 columbia and you had a bunch of
111:48 paintings in that as well remember
111:50 five years in a row in fact that was a
111:52 lot of fun cool that's fun thank you
111:55 rich what do you have for us
111:57 uh i credit grant mcfadden with this one
112:00 um
112:01 it's just a it's actually a little news
112:04 clip
112:05 from a service called global news
112:08 uh that describes
112:10 a new way to probe hurricanes
112:14 with a a a machine called i don't know
112:18 if you want to call it a machine called
112:20 a sail drone
112:21 and there's a company i think in
112:23 california that makes these called sail
112:25 drone
112:26 uh which is uh basically
112:29 a big surfboard with a big
112:32 wing type sail on it
112:35 um
112:36 it's not all that bit actually not all
112:38 that big maybe 12 feet long or something
112:40 like that but obviously
112:42 uh amped up with all sorts of electronic
112:45 stuff
112:46 that i imagine can
112:49 help it navigate to where it wants to go
112:52 and they sailed this sucker into
112:55 hurricane sam
112:57 and it took pictures and recorded all
113:00 sorts of other metrics and i'm just
113:02 astonished first of all that this
113:05 machine can survive
113:08 the
113:09 rigors of a hurricane we're talking
113:11 50-foot waves
113:12 and uh
113:14 well in excess of 100 mile an hour winds
113:16 and so this has pictures of the sail
113:18 drone some sort of fluff with pictures
113:21 of hurricanes but then some pictures
113:23 of that the sail drone took itself
113:25 inside the hurricane so i thought people
113:27 might be interested in that it's way
113:29 cool but to me that the drone
113:33 um is a little misleading because well
113:35 at least i think of the drone as being
113:37 something aerial that's
113:38 you know coming down and shooting
113:40 pictures but this is
113:42 sailing right in there in the water
113:45 it's a very cool looking machine how it
113:47 stays a right you know does it ever
113:49 capsize but it must be self-writing or
113:51 something you know yeah
113:54 nice
113:56 my pick is a book called a shot to save
113:58 the world
114:00 by gregory zuckerman it's subtitled the
114:02 inside story of the life or death race
114:04 for a coveted 19 vaccine and this hasn't
114:07 come out yet but i have a copy here
114:10 because uh
114:11 the author
114:12 uh
114:13 emailed me said
114:15 he liked twiv he listens to and he said
114:18 i'd love to hear your reaction so
114:21 this is very cool this is uh about all
114:24 the people in the mrna vaccines i think
114:27 chadox and maybe a few others
114:31 there's a list of people in the front
114:33 which
114:34 is very cool it includes a number of
114:37 people
114:38 cast of characters he's got moderna
114:41 uh he's got bioentech he's got uh pfizer
114:46 he's got oxford with sarah gilbert um he
114:49 has um
114:51 then he has a
114:52 thing at the end academic researchers
114:54 he's got cat catalin kariko drew
114:57 weissman and others jason mcclellan is
114:59 there
115:00 government scientists who do you think
115:02 might be on that uh yeah tony fauci
115:05 barney graham john mescola kizmikia
115:07 corbett
115:08 anyway it's mostly about the people
115:12 well that's great this guy and of course
115:15 that's the key to
115:17 good science writing right so he went
115:19 and interviewed everybody and uh starts
115:22 a long time ago i mean it starts in a
115:25 parking lot in kansas where the head of
115:27 bioentech is trying to raise money for
115:28 his company years ago you know
115:32 but you get to know these people like
115:34 the head of bioentech and his wife
115:36 they both run the company
115:39 uh they they're just workaholics they
115:42 sleep like four hours a night that when
115:44 they go on vacation they take five
115:45 computers with them and they boxes of
115:48 pre-prints that they read and all this
115:50 and they let their kids go swim in the
115:52 pool
115:53 so it's about the people which is
115:55 interesting because you don't hear much
115:56 of that and you know the science is
115:58 sprinkled in it but here
116:02 the part i love
116:03 is about kuriko catalin you know we've
116:06 already talked about the article saying
116:08 you know she had a rough time
116:09 at penn
116:12 and this is someone in in
116:14 the neurosurgery department at penn who
116:16 became a rare supporter she was
116:18 absolutely brilliant but she challenged
116:21 people and that was off-putting to
116:23 people especially those who were
116:25 insecure
116:27 she was a pain in the ass she didn't
116:28 give a about getting a gold star
116:30 from anyone one day kariko was told to
116:32 report to the department head
116:34 everyone's complaining about you
116:36 he said calling her destructive kariko
116:39 who had five foot eleven towered over
116:41 swain stood up to challenge her boss
116:43 who's everyone and what's their
116:45 complaint call them now if i made a
116:46 mistake i'd like to hear it
116:48 he wouldn't pick up the phone and call
116:50 anyone
116:52 so it's that kind of stuff i love and
116:54 it's about everybody that he's got stuff
116:56 on everyone well they're just humans
116:58 right and they have their own yeah
117:00 so i really like it um i'd love to get
117:03 him on and
117:04 chat about this he's a he's a writer for
117:07 the wall street journal
117:08 uh investigative reporter he usually
117:11 writes about business and the economy
117:12 and stuff like that investing
117:15 um and uh he decided to do this love to
117:17 know why
117:18 and i think it's really interesting if
117:22 you know as
117:23 as david cuomo said the best way to
117:24 write about science is about the people
117:26 but this is really mostly about the
117:27 people
117:28 uh you will hear the science and how it
117:30 proceeded and so forth but i like it
117:32 it's good
117:33 great i thought you were going to say
117:35 that you had it because he had asked you
117:37 to blurb it but
117:39 it's already published by the time he
117:41 sent it to you so it's it's it's coming
117:43 out october 26th um
117:45 so this is a pre-publication
117:47 right
117:48 and all the blurbs are already on it oh
117:50 yeah the blurbs are already on yellow oh
117:53 that reminds me um
117:55 so it comes when you get these
117:57 samples it comes with a
117:59 public publicity sheet right which
118:02 it gives you bullet points that you
118:04 could talk about on your show
118:07 and um
118:08 [Music]
118:10 and then they have blurbs on the back of
118:11 the book yeah so who's on the back here
118:14 they have malcolm gladwell is one of
118:16 them
118:17 and then
118:19 newspapers but there's one bullet point
118:21 here that i like
118:23 zuckerman the author says the virus
118:25 likely emerged naturally spilling over
118:27 from the animal world and he's skeptical
118:30 of the thesis that it originated in a
118:32 wuhan laboratory
118:34 i really like that the vaccines are
118:35 among humankind's most unexpected
118:37 achievements and are the result of
118:38 decades of dedication creativity and
118:41 frustration
118:43 so i think he gets it right i think he
118:45 gets it that's good yeah they're going
118:47 to be a whole bunch of these books
118:48 yeah you should check this one out
118:51 we have two listener picks
118:55 catherine writes dear twitter i was
118:56 interested in dixon's comment about the
118:58 most recent ipcc report
119:01 dixon what's that
119:04 hear the mutants oh you're muted
119:07 oh environmental
119:09 intergovernmental panel on climate
119:11 change okay
119:13 in the time you're still not unmuted but
119:16 i was able to google it in the time
119:20 i'd like to recommend project drawdown
119:23 and give us a link
119:25 plus the book
119:27 which is a great resource it ranks
119:28 various climate solutions by impact to
119:30 help understand the most important
119:32 things to do to help stop climate change
119:34 it makes you feel better to work on
119:35 solutions okay dixon so check that out
119:39 project draw down
119:41 thank you sincerely catherine just an
119:43 energy efficiency engineer
119:47 charles writes
119:48 ave
119:49 twivam viers
119:51 those who are about to plaque salute you
119:55 that's cool or tcid50 right
119:59 i must confess that i am quite far
120:01 behind on twit aside from the few i've
120:03 attended in person at asv meetings i
120:04 only started listening in earnest a few
120:06 years ago currently a vast gulf of time
120:10 separates us as i work my way through
120:12 your extensive archive your broadcast
120:14 started around the same time that my
120:16 adult career as a virologist began as a
120:18 graduate student at colorado state
120:20 university
120:21 it's been fascinating to follow the
120:22 virological highlights of the past 10
120:24 years as my career has progressed along
120:27 with your program thank you for
120:28 documenting the weather including your
120:30 experience during hurricane sandy which
120:33 welcomed me to my postdoc in the
120:34 laboratory of eckerd wimmer
120:37 not sure if this has come up for my
120:38 listener pick of the week i would like
120:40 to suggest arrowsmith by sinclair lewis
120:42 oh yeah as phage therapy comes back into
120:45 the limelight it's important to
120:46 recognize that this idea is over a
120:48 century old and even reached public
120:50 consciousness in this early 20th century
120:53 novel about a microbiology graduate
120:55 student and his irratable german
120:57 professor
120:58 i would also recommend another book from
121:00 the 1920s called microbe hunters written
121:02 by paul decreef these books were highly
121:05 influential during my childhood and
121:07 influenced my decision to become a
121:09 virologist
121:11 this is charles brandon stouth
121:15 yeah i love those books those are all
121:16 great yeah yeah absolutely yeah so
121:19 aerosmith has a connection to the
121:21 university of michigan because paul
121:22 decree who is the uh author of the other
121:25 book microbe hunters um was a student
121:28 with frederick novi who founded our
121:30 department and vincent i don't know if
121:32 you remember hearing about this in the
121:33 lecture
121:35 for the milestones and microbiology uh
121:37 that you came for but um
121:39 uh decreef collaborated with sinclair
121:42 lewis on aerosmith and he gave him not
121:44 only some of the scientific background
121:46 about phage and bacteria and so forth
121:47 but also
121:49 the important insight into the sociology
121:51 of the scientific environment so that
121:54 that's our connection to it here at
121:56 michigan i remember that yeah i remember
121:58 that that story
121:59 uh during the milestone ceremony yeah
122:02 that was cool
122:03 yeah i have a
122:05 my mother was an english teacher in high
122:07 school and she uh used to teach this
122:09 book and i have her copy all marked up
122:11 in pencil with things underlined and
122:13 things she wanted to highlight it's
122:14 really a treasure it's great
122:18 um so so someone this week talking about
122:21 you know
122:22 [Music]
122:23 following things with twit someone this
122:25 week said you know the twibs of the past
122:27 year and a half are a great
122:29 record of the pandemic in a way because
122:31 they're every week and we talk about it
122:33 and people could go back and and they
122:35 said you should archive it somewhere
122:37 because
122:39 um
122:40 you know the copies in my basement won't
122:42 last forever
122:45 it's it's true it is an archive of the
122:47 pandemic right we've been
122:48 pretty much documenting it yeah i was
122:50 reflecting this morning on uh all of the
122:54 uh
122:56 ideas that we have had along the way
122:59 that have proven wrong
123:00 [Laughter]
123:02 so if you uh go back to uh if you go
123:05 back to the beginning and then listen
123:07 through and see the evolution you see
123:09 you know
123:10 that uh we were cluelesser than than we
123:13 are now and uh
123:15 it's been a tortuous journey but it is
123:18 a record that really you can't find
123:20 anywhere else yeah
123:22 three two three times a week by
123:24 virologist chatting for two hours yeah
123:27 that's right some may say it's a record
123:29 they don't want because it's too much
123:30 but no you don't get to choose that
123:34 all right that is twiv 815 microbe dot
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123:50 pommier trichonella.org
123:54 depommierphotoart.com that's one i
123:56 haven't given in a while that's true
123:59 thank you dixon
124:00 thank you vincent and you you should
124:02 mention the fact that without you i
124:04 wouldn't have those websites so thank
124:05 you so much for your collaboration my
124:08 pleasure dixon and i we have something
124:10 else to do i think you asked me i forgot
124:13 yep okay no problem
124:15 kathy spindler is at the university of
124:17 michigan in ann arbor thank you kathy
124:19 thanks this is a lot of fun
124:21 rich con did meredith's professor
124:23 university of florida gainesville
124:25 currently in austin texas thank you rich
124:27 fair enough always a good time good rich
124:29 i'm vincent racqueniello you can find me
124:31 at
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124:34 american society for virology and the
124:37 american society for microbiology for
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124:44 this week in virology thanks for joining
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