CinemaSins

**CinemaSins**, real name **Jeremy**, is a YouTube channel best known for their "Everything Wrong With" series, where they go through popular movies and point out flaws that they add to a "Sin" counter. According to them, their content is satire, and anything they get wrong is done purposefully as a joke.

## History

### Sinned by CinemaSinsSins

EFAP Manager Jay Exci started out as CinemaSinsSins, a channel that responded to CinemaSins' "Everything Wrong With" series in his own "Everything Wrong With Everything Wrong With" series. On EFAP 7, Jay recounted initially enjoying CinemaSins as background content and starting CinemaSinsSins as a fan, using CinemaSins videos as a springboard to have something to make. Jay cited Jeremy thinking the silhouette of the Star Destroyer in *The Force Awakens* was a planet-sized shadow and using the phrase "this galaxy's sun" as the first of many times he realized their videos fall apart when you think about them. Upon looking deeper into it, Jay found that Jeremy would answer the question of whether CinemaSins was meant to be taken seriously, sometimes saying it was wrong on purpose as a form of satire and other times saying he took genuine issue with Hollywood and CinemaSins was an attempt to highlight those problems, bringing Jay to the conclusion that CinemaSins is either not satire or at least not good satire, and is instead just poorly-written. CinemaSinsSins would often cover other channels with the same format as CinemaSins, namely Brooks Show, and would even branch out to doing "Everything Wrong With" responses to videos other than ones in the CinemaSins format, such as "Everything Wrong With Black Panther: An Unbridled Rage"...

### Foreshadowing

Both of Patrick Willems' videos covered in EFAP 2 made passing reference to CinemaSins as one of the root causes of what is wrong with film criticism, leading MauLer to ask if anyone actually took CinemaSins seriously

### Uniting SinsSins with the 'FAP

> "Cool, cool, cool. Is anyone gonna mention the pirate plank behind you 50 yards up in the air?"
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After CinemaSinsSins' response to "Black Panther: An Unbridled Rage" was covered on EFAP 5, SinsSins came on to EFAP 7 to chat with MauLer and Wolf, completing Jay's redemption arc. This culminated in the three of them watching CinemaSins' "Everything Wrong With Predator" - a video that combined MauLer's love of the movie *Predator* with Jay's history of sinning CinemaSins videos. MauLer never took CinemaSins all that seriously, initially being annoyed by their *Avengers* video until realizing they did that with every movie, and Wolf only liked their video on *Trans4mers* because he considered the movie so bad that any attempt to tear it apart was a worthwhile one, while Jay recounted the story from above, with MauLer adding that Jeremy used to have a now-deleted channel where he would give his real opinions on movies that would often line up with CinemaSins' alleged parody reviews.

CinemaSins began by sinning the fact that this movie was directed by John McTiernan, who he felt has often been overlooked in Hollywood, raising the question of why this movie is being sinned for doing the good thing that other movies don't do. His sin for the film's iconic handshake was simply the word "Biception," which Wolf pointed out would actually describe a bicep inside of another bicep, and he further described the leadup to it as the pretending to be enemies but actually being friends cliché, raising the question of both whether it was even a cliché and whether it would have been a cliché when the film came out. His description of the film as "*Expendables* before *Expendables*" was so bizarre that everyone on the stream rushed to pause the video at the same time, and his sinning the movie for having two future governors acting in it was similarly odd. CinemaSins sinned a character's face camo for just being two lines on his face, but MauLer countered that that may very well be a real tactic since the idea is to break up the shapes of the face rather than completely obscure it. Having previously sinned Dutch saying his team worked alone but then being ordered to not work alone by his superior officer, Jeremy sinned Dutch not being told about a lack of backup beforehand. He confused a helicopter blade for a floating pirate plank, then sinned the movie for having scenes of people walking to their destination. He also sinned a character for drinking from a vine because they still had enough water to not need to conserve yet, failing to realize that conserving water is how you end up not running low in the first place. When Dutch recognized Hopper's dog tag Jeremy found it far-fetched that two men who get sent on similar missions could know each other, but the gang did agree with him that the discrepancy between Dutch calling him "Jim Hopper" and his dog tag saying "CE Hopper" was odd, though it could be the case that James was another middle name of his he went by that was not listed on the dog tag. Jeremy sinned Dutch sending a truck into the enemy camp rather than simply firing rockets at it, ignoring that starting with the truck would both save ammo and keep their presence a secret for longer, though MauLer did agree that endangering the hostage they were sent to rescue was reckless. He also sinned, of all things, the closed captions for putting "speaking Spanish/Russian" onscreen rather than translating into English, when the important information was that the soldiers were speaking a foreign language and not the words they were saying. He considered a black man saying about a group of Russians, "If they're Central American then I’m a goddamn Chinaman” to be too much racism for him to unpack, and MauLer initially was confused that he would consider it racist to say Russians don't look Central American and black people don't look Chinese, until Jay suggested it was the use of the word "Chinamen" he was referring to, which then raised the question of if saying an offensive term was really "too much to unpack." A handful of times Jermey would pick out pieces of ADR, as well as performances he considered unconvincing.

CinemaSins questioned how much of a "trained stabber" one would have to be to stab a scorpion crawling on someone without stabbing them, and everyone agreed that it actually seemed pretty easy. He also sinned the film's portrayal of the Predator's thermal vision because seeing heat rather than light would disadvantage it, to which MauLer argued that it would have both benefits and drawbacks. CinemaSins questioned how the characters could have known blood one someone wasn't her own, ignoring that she had no injuries from which to bleed, though he was right in pointing out that Dutch's clothing should have been dirtier after spending so much time in the wilderness. In addition to sinning the Predator for toying with its prey when its explicit goal is hunting for sport, Jeremy sinned the music he felt was there to add fake tension to the scene, which Jay countered was to reflect the tension the character was feeling in the moment. He described an animal slowly walking out of the grass as a fakeout jumpscare, skipping over the part where the actual Predator jumps out a moment later, and mocked how a prisoner was somehow held captive using zipties, when zipties actually can be and are used for just that. Having previously laughed at the idea that Dutch doesn't consider his men expendable, Jeremy now sinned him for not leaving the wounded behind. He questioned why the prisoner would reveal she spoke English and help her former captors as well as arguing that there was no good reason for the prisoner to assume the Predator's blood was blood, ignoring that helping them would also ensure her safety and that she said she saw it come out after the Predator was shot. At one point he answered his own rhetorical question, asking why the movie didn't show how a character was killed only to follow up that the special effects involved would have made it clunky. When Dutch camouflaged himself by covering himself in mud, Jeremy protested that the Predator's thermal vision should still see a Dutch-sized blob in front of him, and MauLer corrected that he does, and just doesn't distinguish it from other shapes. When he questioned why a creature that sees using thermal vision was using explosive weapons, Jay pointed out that humans cannot see through explosions either but still use explosive weapons as well. Jeremy sinned the ending for having the Predator agree to a fair fight against Dutch when it had been fighting unfairly the rest of the movie, to which the roster argued it seemed to have gained a respect for him and also wanted to prove itself. They did agree with Jeremy that the alien bomb was very readably bomb-like to humans, though there was a chance that may have been intentional since the goal of the bomb was to destroy the Predator's gear while still giving its victor a chance to escape.

With the whole video covered, the gang figured the reason CinemaSins was as popular as it is is because it casts a net over every possible reason to dislike a movie, and so anyone who dislikes a given movie can watch a CinemaSins video on it and find at least some of it agreeable. Jay added that a lot of people watching the video would not have even seen the movie, and so the out of context criticisms will sound decent enough. The gang talked a bit about how many CinemaSins spinoff channels there are, including CinemaSinsSins itself, describing it as almost being a mini industry.

### vs *Infinity War*

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Fresh off the heels of watching CinemaSins' counterpart CinemaWins tell us everything great about a bad movie, MauLer, Rags, and Wolf, once again joined by SinsSins, take a look at CinemaSins telling us everything bad about a good movie- *Avengers: Infinity War*- in EFAP 19. Jay would later go on to use clips from this stream in a video series analyzing "Everything Wrong Avengers: Infinity War" to determine what percentage of CinemaSins' content is actual critiques, what percentage are jokes, and what percentage are neither.

- thinks intro is too long - argues that instead of waiting, Thanos should have gone from planet to planet searching the stone - wonders if Thanos calculates the exact half when killing people and if he takes that into account when he snaps them away. but would he care overall - what would have happened if Loki didn’t find he Tesseract? movie would be different - thinks Thanos had harder time with Captain America than he had beating Hulk and Iron Man - thinks its bad that we have never seen Thanos elite soldiers and that Thanos lets them, his most trusted solidest, to get the stone, when he said “I'll do it myself” - thinks that just because someone is famous (like Iron Man) that they will be recognized by everyone or that people will automatically think that the person they see might be just someone that looks like them - thinks universe might be infinite, or at least “close to it” (just couple inches short for infinite) - wonders why the stones are so close to each other (after billions of years of their formation) and why there are only six tones and not more or less. - Iron Man say they are not in speaking terms, thinks that’s not true as Cap said if he is needed, Iron Man can call him there - thinks avengers civil war wont ever fair against Batman v Superman in box office and that it wont ever be as interesting movie - Iron Man, Hulk and dr strange wont automatically run to strange noise, especially when they can see what it is - Spider-Man jumps of the bus and wonders how nobody would see him, even though there is spaceship that’s drawing peoples attention - asks why metal controlling alien need guy with big axe to help him. would it matter? - sees Tony's nanobot suit as impossible and thinks it unfeasible for Iron Man to make space-worthy suit for Spider-Man. also asks why Iron Man didn’t make peters suit fly - makes joke that Hulk transformation is boner metaphor - wonders how banner found the Tony's cellphone in place where it most likely would be - questions why or how do guardian s have ancient earth video games on board, when guardians movies had lot of earth stuff - thinks Groot would care if they met a new kind of alien - sins the fact that Thor is rude to people that saved him - thinks they should keep gamora way from Thanos instead of trying to defeat Thanos, even though Thanos can find gamora easily with the stones he collects. - thinks vison and scarlet with being on the run in a large hotel room is unrealistic. - “We will deep fry your kebab” confuses him, going too long talking about it. saying its as big as wanda's head - wonders how could alien assassin sneak up on android? - also thinks that its contrived that people made to retrieve the stone wouldn’t eb able to fight off people holding the stones - thinks Thanos doesn’t care for his lieutenants and would kill them for failing - thinks that Thanos wants to kill exactly half - thinks that Thanos wanting to adopt gamore is a “big pill to swallow” and that she displays no fighter characteristics when she fights against Thanos' soldiers - thinks that they can hide Gamora from Thanos in some distant planet as a way to save her life - says Gamora has “hate boner of justice” - excacturates that how Thanos could know that the guardians would come to the reality stone - sins the fact that peter wouldn’t kill gamora since he loves her as cliché, but then sins fact that only reason he tries to kill her is that the narrative wont let her die - thinks the hologram call is unrealistic - doesn’t think that Tony's shoulder mounted rocket could blast hole in alien spaceship - sins that Thor's eye is replaced and that the eye works - thinks the movie wasted Peter Dinklage - thinks its contrived that the ax could summon the Bifrost, when Odin's spear could do it as well - questions how titan planet could have oxygen - thinks it doesn’t make any sense that Red Skull is the guardian - thinks that just because Hela could destroy Mjolnir then the axe cant do anything to hurt Thanos - thinks bucky would fight hand to hand instead of used machine gun to fight from distance, since we showed his arm, obviously he can fight hand to hand - thinks war machine's arsenal is infinite, as he asks why he doesn’t just use same weapon continuously - asks why don’t the Thanos foot-soldiers have things like poison skin or acid blood, as those would be more useful than claws - Thinks that Groot loosing arm would be sacrifice, even thought he can grow it back - questions why it has to be a snap - wonders why Thanos' punch doesn’t kill peter, person that has superhuman endurance and protective suit - thinks that people should kill vision, something vision want too, but others prefer to let him live if they can get the stone out before Thanos arrives - sins the fact that Bruce tells them “that's him” when Thanos arrives

### *The Joker War* - Worse than CinemaWins

CinemaSins returned in EFAP 83 for a double-feature alongside their counterpart CinemaWins, with MauLer, Rags, SmilerAl, Drinker, and HeelVsBabyface taking a look at both of their videos on *Joker*, to see who had the better take. While CinemaWins had the occasional point where he seemed to extrapolate a bit too much, and ended his video on a strange note by claiming that no movie is objectively good, CinemaSins performed far worse, barely able to go one Sin without getting something wrong, going to desperate lengths to try and find things wrong with the film.

- Warner media breaks his immersion with the retro logo - joker tugs his mouth to smile and make himself funny like how movie tugs its self with its vague setting and avoids reference as way to try to seem unique - stop spending money to advertise when you are going out of business, no clowns - sins fact that the thug kids are people that could be brainwashed to be part of angry mob - why would he go after group of people that stole his sign, just report it stolen, the scene is just there for him to be beaten up, there is no good reason for him to go after them - doesn’t like the large title, calling the movie out for having tiny peen - nearly minute of cry laughing is a sin - clock always says 11:11, which has symbolism, but it doesn’t matter, so sin - sins fact that woman doesn’t want a strange man to talk to her kid, saying she is an asshole - hates the stairs because he himself couldn’t walk up and down them daily and sins the fact that the stairs are tourist attraction because of the movie. also sin because he wouldn’t touch the stairs handrails and they are like stairs to hell, except they go up - sins the fact that mail room has cage, because slums wouldn’t have that kind of high security. why spend money when its not even closed all the time - sins that the movie says that there is lot of garbage in Gotham - Thomas Wayne is super not casual batman reference - doesn’t like casting of Jerry and Arthur's mom, as doesn’t see Robert Deniro character being talk show host - thinks Arthur's fantasy is unrealistic and conversation in Arthur's fantasy is too long. also Arthur's dream is boring compared to CS's own dreams about ninja cows - there is subtle music on background called “everybody plays the fool” when Arthur is played a fool, which is a sin - there is wherries wheel in background, which is a sin - toilet seat has carpet covering, which he claims is unrealistic - its the best looking film he hates, sins the movie for looking good - doesn’t think Arthur isn’t good for entertaining hospital kids as he has had multiple complaints from coworkers - shooting Arthur does is based one another shooting, but it was race based, so the reference is bad and its made to look that Arthur is justified and he is hero in the moment, meaning that villains have good reason for being evil, also the character becomes Joker, so he doesn’t know how to feel about him being good guy. - Arthur is running because adrenaline, which is unrealistic as murder doesn’t give you energy - movie only got nominations because the cello music and dancing, which he hates - girlfriend scene is hallucination and doesn’t really happen, which is a sin - people don’t have enough information about the killer to say that he killed people because his politics, which is unrealistic - sins fact that open mike Arthur laughs and nobody takes him off the stage - thinks movie might see Arthur as a hero - lot of the movie is hallucination - newspaper readers are visible, which makes it obvious - batman looms large over the movie, but if this not the actual joker but his inspirational figure, why are we watching this movie? - Bruce doesn’t run away from stranger that puts fingers in his mouth - Alfred is supposed to be former SAS, so he shouldn’t be choked by Arthur - footage cant be from multiple cameras since it costs lot and its random for it to end up in talks show, also Murray ends his show with the clip, which shouldn’t be at the end of he show. - where did people get clown masks? not all of them can buy masks. v for vendetta mailing them to people was preposterous, but not as much as this - Arthur couldn’t disguise himself as an usher - Charlie Chaplin movie isn’t good for mayor advertisement as there is no benefit to him. thinks that the theater is showing the film randomly and that its snot Wayne’s own movie theater that he has advertised - movie off Charlie Chaplin wouldn’t sell out to old white men in tuxedos - Arthur spots Thomas Wayne and can go to talk to him during his pee break with no guards - adoption is also reason why he snaps and turn into joker. orphans are bad - answering machines weren’t as widely accessible and cost lot, so Arthur shouldn't have one - joker can wrestle paper out of mans hand and run away from hospital before he is arrested for theft - psychiatric papers have his birth certificate - they show flashbacks of his hallucination girlfriend - heart monitor doesn’t beep when Arthur's mother dies, which is realistic, but he thinks its unrealistic - Arthur has vcr, which also was costly - people didn’t question Arthur for his moms death - thinks that the movie is just mix of Dark Knight Returns, King of Comedy and Taxi Driver and prefers to watch them instead of the joker - Joker killing himself is red herring and everyone that read comics Dark Knight Returns knows it, which isn’t a lot of people - joker dances too much in the movie - joker axe murder is similar to Patrito, and takes too long - Garry call for police takes too long and joker can dress up at that time - song creator is pedophile, so everyone should stop using the music - police somehow know Arthur is Arthur - train door closes just in time for Arthur to escape, which is too convenient - joker starting the fight is convenient, as people randomly attack each other - famous actor has small role in the movie, which is a sin - Arthur shouldn't be mocked for carrying joke-book with him, as its tool of the trade - movie wouldn’t be as liked if it wasn’t joker - Arthur can make lot of bloody footprints, so there must have been lo of blood

### *The Rise of Skywalker* - Better than CinemaWins

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MauLer, Rags, and Drinker, now joined by Evan Monroe and HackFraudMedia, got together on EFAP 86 for another Sins/Wins Double-Feature, this time on *Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker*. This time around, it was CinemaWins who kept dropping the ball, infamously telling people to "pretend [Palpatine's resurrection] is what you wanted, and see how you feel," while CinemaSins was the far more accurate one, though Sins would often not describe why the flaws he was pointing out were flaws, and still had the occasional sin that didn't land. The conclusion the gang came to after this double-feature and the previous one was a somewhat intuitive one - that CinemaSins is better when critiquing a movie that is actually bad, while CinemaWins is better when critiquing a movie that is actually good.

### CinemaSins Evolves as a Critic

> "Sins is doin alright, and the only thing it took was the literal worst movie ever made"
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On EFAP 239, MauLer, Rags, Fringy, Metal, and Meme returned to CinemaSins with another Sins/Wins Double Feature, on *Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness*, the worst film they had ever seen. This time, the gang elected to tally up the valid criticisms made by each and see who came out victorious. MauLer initially proposed a binary 1 point per accurate and fair critique big or small, believing it would make sorting out disagreements through a vote easier, but Rags suggested giving half-points for true and valid but non-substantive critiques such as "Benedict Cumberbatch's acting is good" and later adding the possibility of multiple points for very insightful critiques, while Fringy suggested only giving points for substantive critiques and giving 0 for anything else. Chat also recommended giving negative points for making innacurate critiques. It was put to a vote whether CinemaSins or Wins would come out victorious, and the entire roster and Chat predicted Sins would succeed, leading Rags to suggest Sins go first so the underdog would have a chance to come up from behind in a dramatic twist. The scoring system they settled on was whole points for any critique big or small, with negative points for inaccurate critiques, and 0 points for jokes, observations, or positives that did not impact the quality of the film. CinemaSins' video started with an ad read for BetterHelp, which MauLer could only hope had cleaned up their operation since their scandal a few years back, after which their critiques began

The score tallied up to a total of 67 - with the total Sin Count being 239, 100 of which were extra Sins, that meant 67/139, or just about half, of CinemaSins' critiques were accurate and fair, with some of the remaining half being jokes, observations, or meta arguments rather than outright wrong. Rags considered this to be a strong video, with MauLer saying he'd go so far as to call it downright good, with some inaccuracies that were understandable given how confused the film was with itself. Fringy noted that the video had some genuine more fundamental insights into the core of what the movie gets wrong, namely the implications of a multiverse and the enigma that is Wanda's character, having put in some work to untangle things the movie left tangled. Rags found that it went past the first tier of merely pointing out good or bad instances, and when Fringy asked if it was merely because *Multiverse of Madness* was just that bad, he figured that everyone has their breaking point for what they'll allow a movie to get away with. With CinemaSins making an impressive first move, all that was left was to see how CinemaWins stacked up

## Trivia

* He plays guitar
* He doesn’t like Bucky Barnes
* thinks all people feel anxious, angry and lost nowadays
* ask lot of times why something is as it is, even though its doesn’t matter why something is at it is, like why there are certain amount of infinity stones and not more or less of them.

## Quotes

* "this galaxy's sun" - Everything Wrong With *Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens*
* "Dare I ask, did you think he was flawless at one point?"
"Um, maybe when I was about, twelve?"
- MauLer and Jay, EFAP 7
* "What does he mean 'In 13 Minutes or Less,' does he not know how long his video is?" - MauLer, EFAP 7
* "[John McTiernan] should be a legend, and it's a sin that he's not"
"Didn't he go to jail for tax fraud?"
- CinemaSins and MauLer, EFAP 7
* "Buncha slack-jawed faggots around here!"
"Ladies and gentlemen, the former governor of the great state of Minnessota"
"But that's... that's- th- that's in the movie, it's not a real thing"
- Blain (played by Jesse Ventura), CinemaSins, and MauLer, EFAP 7
* "Why did you guys even plan anything when you had a grenade launcher? Just fire a dozen grenades in here"
"Why would you plan things when you could not do that?"
- CinemaSins and Jay
	+ "Why fight a battle when you can go home?" - Mr Rich-Low-Pitch in Chat, EFAP 7
* "'You'd better take a look at this' cliche" - EFAP 7
* "The lines are so blurred with what's actual criticism and what isn't, you just may as well go- you can just as easily go, 'oh it's terrible cuz none of the criticism is valid,' you could also just easily say, 'oh it's fine because it's not at all real criticism'... and this is my fucking job, to talk about this shit. How've I got myself here?" - Jay, EFAP 7
* "This movie is 85% people silently walking through the woods while tense music plays"
"Yeah except for all the other stuff"
- CinemaSins and MauLer, EFAP 7
* "Once you know what you're looking for, I'm not sure this camouflage would do all that much good"
"Well they don't know what they're looking for. They die when they see it"
- CinemaSins and Wolf, EFAP 7
* "What exactly is she supposed to do when she does indeed arrive at the choppa?"
"Survive?"
"Get in it"
- CinemaSins, MauLer, and Jay, EFAP 7
* "Unless he chose to test-fire that into the most rotten, deadest tree on planet Earth, this arrow is a lie"
"I guess that tree was rotten and dead"
- CinemaSins and MauLer, EFAP 7
* "Teenagers do not act moody for a long time and then suddenly sacrifice a limb for a creepy stranger they bumped into a couple days ago" - EFAP 19
* "Dreams are windows into the lives of our multiversal selves" "Ohhhhhhhhhuuuuhhhthefuck?" - Doctor Strange and CinemaSins, EFAP 239