Episode 239

### Title

EFAP #239 - The Cinema Wars - Wins VS. Sins on Doctor Strange in The Multiverse of Madness!

### Guests

Metal Commander
The Meme Repository

### Videos Featured

CinemaWins
CinemaSins

### Next Episode

Episode 240

**EFAP 239** is the two-hundred-and-thirty-ninth episode of the Every Frame A Pause podcast

## Important Events

* *Succession*FAP
* Another CinemaSins/CinemaWins Double-Feature
* New format, tallying up the Sins and Wins
* Patrick Willems cameo

## Plot

After a discussion of the recently-watched *Succession*, MauLer, Rags, Fringy, Metal, and Meme return to the Cinema Twins with another Sins/Wins Double Feature, on *Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness*, the worst film they had ever seen. This time, the gang elected to tally up the valid criticisms made by each and see who came out victorious

## Synopsis

### Round 1 - CinemaSins

MauLer initially proposed a binary 1 point per accurate and fair critique, big or small, believing it would make sorting out disagreements through a vote easier, but Rags suggested giving half-points for true and valid but non-substantive critiques such as "Benedict Cumberbatch's acting is good" and later adding the possibility of multiple points for very insightful critiques, while Fringy suggested only giving points for substantive critiques and giving 0 for anything else. Chat also recommended giving negative points for making innacurate critiques. It was put to a vote whether CinemaSins or Wins would come out victorious, and the entire roster and Chat predicted Sins would succeed, leading Rags to suggest Sins go first so the underdog would have a chance to come up from behind in a dramatic twist. The scoring system they settled on was whole points for any critique big or small, with negative points for inaccurate critiques, and 0 points for jokes, observations, or positives that did not impact the quality of the film. CinemaSins' video started with an ad read for BetterHelp, which MauLer could only hope had cleaned up their operation since their scandal a few years back, after which their critiques began

The score tallied up to a total of 67 - with the total Sin Count being 239, 100 of which were extra Sins, that meant 67/139, or just about half, of CinemaSins' critiques were accurate and fair, with some of the remaining half being jokes, observations, or meta arguments rather than outright wrong. Rags considered this to be a strong video, with MauLer saying he'd go so far as to call it downright good, with some inaccuracies that were understandable given how confused the film was with itself. Fringy noted that the video had some genuine more fundamental insights into the core of what the movie gets wrong, namely the implications of a multiverse and the enigma that is Wanda's character, having put in some work to untangle things the movie left tangled. Rags found that it went past the first tier of merely pointing out good or bad instances, and when Fringy asked if it was merely because *Multiverse of Madness* was just that bad, he figured that everyone has their breaking point for what they'll allow a movie to get away with. With CinemaSins making an impressive first move, all that was left was to see how CinemaWins stacked up...

### Round 2 - CinemaWins

Up next to the plate was, of course, CinemaWins. After being jumpscared by the surprise appearance of Patrick Willems, whose "How to Make a Movie" series on Nebula was the sponsor of this video, the coverage began

The video ended with yet another Patrick Willems jumpscare, after which Fringy noted that the last couple of minutes had been particularly weak, with Wins just saying he liked things or brushing off the negative aspects of them, seemingly betraying a lack of confidence in how good the movie actually is. When asked to guess the final score, Rags guessed -16, Meme -12, Metal -37, and Fringy -5, after which MauLer revealed that the tally came out to +2, though it should really be a tad lower since he gave up on keeping track of the flurry of -1s at the end. The general takeaway people had was that CInemaWins suffered from the inverse issue as Sins, making simple observations and counting them as Sins/Wins out of a sense of obligation to fill up a video with dings regardless of how deserved they were. Someone in Chat said they always hear that CinemaWins is better, and figured people just felt that because they liked the positive vibe his videos had, and MauLer added that the concept of CinemaWins could work, not just for positivity's sake but because trying to find the good in even the worst of movies can be a legitimately interesting challenge. MauLer and the cast were certain they needed to do this again with a good movie like *Puss in Boots: The Last Wish*, with Fringy additionally suggesting they do a third round with a mid movie

## Quotes

* "Dreams are windows into the lives of our multiversal selves"
"Ohhhhhhhhhuuuuhhhthefuck?"
 - Doctor Strange and CinemaSins
* "Sins is doin alright, and the only thing it took was the literal worst movie ever made" - Rags
* "And I thought that ponytail was the most evil thing about him"
 "Darth Vader was bald, fuck off!"
 - CinemaWins & Rags
* "I don't care if he's a good guy, he was gonna kill a kid!" - CinemaWins, on Defender Strange trying to save every other child and adult in existence
* "Is the chorus singing 'Wong'? Because they should, and it would be amazing"
"If they are that's fucking cringe"
 - CinemaWins & Rags
* "So I guess I'm saying... 'consume all content you plebs'?" - CinemaWins
* "Iron Man, he's an ore-themed superhero" - Rags, applying Doctor Strange and CinemaWins' teachings
	+ "What're they gonna do with a gun-themed superhero?" - MauLer, on War Machine
* "'Diagetic'? Dia-Jesus Christ" - The Meme Repository
* "See this is true film analysis, this is when you *know* film, you just say 'Raimi Raimi Raimi Raimi, Raimi Raimi Raimi Raimi, Raimi Raimi'" - MauLer
* "Like I said, you'll find me to be a Wanda apologist in this one-"
 "I know why, yeah, because Elizabeth Olsen is a really good actress and she's really hot, that's why"
 - CinemaWins and MauLer
* "They need to go over there and they started walking there, because they can walk"
 "And what a walk it was"
 "Look at em walking. Walking! Ding!"
 - MauLer, Metal, and Fringy
* "That show was... not great" - CinemaWins, DESTROYING *Inhumans*
* "And hey, you should go watch my Resurrections videos, because-"
 "Nooo"
 - CinemaWins and MauLer
* "Gross!"
"GrOooss"
 - CinemaWins and MauLer
* "Well I guess we know Mordo's a democrat" - CinemaWins
* "Being pretty strong, saying stuff loud, or making your fingers stretchy aren't exactly top-tier powers" - CinemaWins, on Captain America, Black Bolt (who can shoot sonic blasts so powerful it puts anyone in a room with him at risk), and Reed Richards (who can elasticize any part of his body to extreme limits)
* "There's part of me that says 'I can't believe you brought Xavier back just to kill him again,' and then there's the other part of me that says 'Sir Patrick Stewart is always a win!'"
"Why do you kill the part of your brain that works?"
 - CinemaWins and MauLer
* "They brought him back just to kill him? Eugh, BUT, it *is* Patrick Stewart, AND, it *is* Patrick Stewart here" - MauLer, applying CinemaWins' teachings
* "Look it's Wong, look it's Raimi, look it's that character screaming, look it's monster vision!" - MauLer, applying CinemaWins' teachings
* "There's pretty much nothing I wouldn't do for my kids and-"
"Would you kill a kid?" - CinemaWins and MauLer
* "What's the point of you?... Other than- you can have your own meaning in life, I just mean these videos" - MauLer