Not So Great Debate Guy

> "So you want me to acknowledge all the bullshit writing you claim is in the film?"
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> "No, not that I *claim* is in the film, the ones that *are* in the film."
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> "Oh okay, I guess it's just my, it got to be my thing to disprove that, which I think I've been doing."
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> - The Not So Great Debate Guy and MauLer
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**The Not So Great Debate Guy** was some rando from Discord who launched an impromptu The Last Jedi debate with Wolf and MauLer. This occurred after the Guy spent three days straight messaging Wolf, partially because he took issue with Wolf calling Rose a "fat Asian bitch," thinking he was expressing a disdain towards Asian people as a whole. His main opinion of the whole thing is that he just likes the movie, and while there are some writing problems, they are not big enough to take him out of the story and that MauLer and Wolf are just nitpicking small things in the film.

Before the debate, the Guy watched both MauLer's and Wolf's videos and hastily made some notes, but also kept the movie playing on his end, so he could have visuals for reference. His research was flimsy, as he only had short time to prepare himself, though it was him and not Wolf or MauLer who set the date for the debate, so he could have given himself more time if he wanted to. He simply felt that his prepared arguments were strong enough as is.

The Guy concluded that he wouldn't be able to change Mauler's and Wolf's minds and make them see how good the film is, because they already have their minds made up, which Wolf countered by pointing out that the Guy has his own mind made up, having outright said that he wouldn't change it.

Throughout most of the video he repeats his arguments several times, seemingly under the belief that saying them louder or with more conviction to Mauler and Wolf would make them understand what he is saying. When his argument is challenged or broken, he immediately circles back to arguing with the original argument with some clarifications to it and wonders why Mauler and Wolf don't understand what he's trying to convey to them, time to time getting frustrated and annoyed at them.

At the end of the debate, the Guy was left silent and willing to agree that just because movie is bad it doesn't mean that he isn't allowed to like it and left the call so he could go to work, exhausted from the debate.

The duo thinks he was beginning to cry at the end of it all.

He bought *The Last Jedi* Blu-Ray for his collection on the grounds that "it's still *Star Wars.*"

## Points

* The First Order shot the stationary base instead of the fleeing Raddus, that was right in front of them, because Hux is arrogant and made poor decisions, and arrogance is overall big thing in the Last Jedi, the film enforces it. "W e shouldn't equate arrogance with stupidity, as the smartest people in the world can be the most arrogant fuckers, right or wrong".
	+ Also the base had resistance fighters in it, so it makes practical and tactical sense that Hux wants to destroy the base (especially since now resistance members can't go back to it).
	+ Its good damage control, as now he can say "I destroyed the base but the resistance got away and we can track them anyway".
	+ It was easier target than the moving Raddus.
	+ At the end of the day, Hux is arrogant and knows they (resistance fighters) can't get away. Its a possibility.
	+ Later Hux was "bitch-slapped on the floor" by Snoke and feared his next punishment, he got his mind straight and took his order to kill the resistance more seriously.
	+ He is "evil laughing Disney villain" as well as incompetent and young, where the more older and experienced members of his fleet see he is doing dumb decision.
	+ Hux is intelligent, but "in this position of power his arrogance is magnified tenfold".
* Rose's sister's performance was so good and Wolf and Mauler should give the actress credit to, as her performance was powerful enough to convey her conviction to the resistance even without lines.
	+ "Did you not see the conviction in her face?"
* Scene where Snoke calls Kylo Ren "A boy in the mask", berates him for loosing to a girl with no training, tells him to "take of that ridiculous mask" and Kylo destroying his helmet is one of the most powerful scenes in the movie, as it shows that Kylo does not care fuck about Snoke.... so he does as Snoke says and destroys his mask. Following his order directly means he doesn't give a shit about Snoke.
	+ "I've done all this shit for you and the Dark Side, and you are insulting me, calling me a boy in the mask, after I've killed my father."
	+ "Did you not see the conviction in his face?"
* The Disney Fanatical Star Wars Universe is different from George Lucas and magical things like "princesses flying" can happen in it. You have to give it leeway.
	+ When the creator has no say in the franchise the lore and series is going to be different, so you shouldn't walk into movie with expectations that corporation that bought the franchise won't make massive changes to it.
	+ "films are decades old and are owned by a completely different company, with creator of the films not there anymore and no say."
	+ When something like flying princesses happens can we agree that that is the direction that the Star Wars is going to?
	+ Lightsabers exist, so flying through space isn't stupid (It's actually amazing because it expands the Force, as Leia died in space and used the Force to come back to life).
	+ Disney wanted to get the original characters over with and not do dozens of movies centering around them and their exploit, which that's why they killed Han and Luke.
	+ Movies had to have the original cast because fans would be angry if they didn't.
	+ Jedi are monks and monks can do crazy things like slow down their breathing, so old woman in her last dying breath can survive in the vacuum of space and uses the Force on instinct to pull herself back to the ship. "It makes sense".
* People change when they age: Luke is old and human being, therefore has a different perspective and he had more to lose, like his Padawans. He says that Luke was going to kill Kylo because he was old and he had a feeling Ben would do something bad.
	+ He swore to God there were bodies in the Luke's flashback when the Jedi temple was burned down by Ben Solo.
	+ Luke made a mistake when he tried to kill his sleeping nephew with a lightsaber. He just made a mistake and is a flawed character. It was moment of weakness, in Luke's character and it progresses his character.
* Scene where Finn and Rose meet establishes her as someone that loves her sister very much, because we needed to know that.
	+ She cried and conveyed to Finn how much she cares for her sister is part of her good performance. Rose also acknowledges Finn as hero of the resistance, which also shows her dedication to the resistance and how she hates people who defect. Her conveying that is part of her good performance.
* They didn't send a Star Destroyer a little ahead of them to intercept the Raddus, which was right in front of them, because Hux made a mistake (and Raddus could able to detect them and shoot the Star Destroyer down).
	+ The Guy agrees that this is mistake, but still wants to argue that its not and does not care about it, as its so insignificant technical problem and doesn't matter to " the beautiful message of the film".
* Finn The Character is not pointless or unimportant in the movie:
	+ He kills Captain Phasma. Again.
	+ He gets the Code Burger (that's what he said by accident at one point)) to the tracker room so he could unlock the door. Which was invalidated when they are caught.
* Canto Bight is not pointless:
	+ It furthers Roses character by showing where she is from.
	+ Poe's plan to disable the hyperspace tracker was bad because they were destroying what they hate instead of saving what they love, furthering movies message.
		- He should just listen to the purple haired feminist, as she had a plan.
* Code Breaker was going to betray them from the beginning as he was shifty from the get-go.
* The evil BB-8 droid finding Finn and Rose and getting them caught is not stupid as plans can fail.

## Trivia

* He axes lot of questions.
* He says George Lucas made "3 shitty fucking movies", but The Last Jedi (and the Seauel Trilogy as a whole) is much worse than all 3 of the Prequels, which at least have good and memorable moments (especially from ROTS), and people love those movies a lot more now ever since the Sequels came out. And at least the Prequels didn't disresepct the fans or the Original Trilogy in any way.
* His name is "DeathInCarn", but nobody cares to call him that. He will always be called "The Not So Great Debate Guy".

## Quotes

* "In Disney Fanatical Star Wars Universe can princesses fly through space? Its stupid, but in Disney Fanatical Star Wars Universe can it be possible?"
	+ Couple of minutes later: "Its not stupid, I'm saying that I liked it, ITS NOT STUPID!!!!!! In this Star Wars universe where all this magical shit can happen its not stupid. Lightsabers, fucking Lightsabers, what, its not, people flying through space is not stupid. I don't understand how you can claim to be fans of this and you see character you love do something amazing and you just go "Its stupid!!, it's stupid!!""
* "It can go as far as they want, it, it, its, they're, fucking, its Sta... Duuude...!!!"
* "That was me axing a question."
* "I'm asking you, did she not give a convincing performance?"
* "They want to do something new and different and constantly having to adhere to decade old movies exact amount where you have to have more specialist on set..."
* "Why are these not valid points, I don't understand.."
* "This is not fucking fair."
* "He would consider it an option because he had so much to fucking lose!"

## References

1. ↑ EFAP - The Expanded Universe - The Not So Great Debate