Thu May 4 08:31:27 UTC 2023

k/58009490.txt

@@ -540,3 +540,30 @@ Old /k/ would have no idea what the fuck you were talking about.
 >>58057528
 and old /k/ is gone, what's your point?
 anyways, does the korabl maket count? I've heard a lot of people refer to it as a ship.
+--- 58061189
+>>58059244
+kino
+--- 58061580
+>>58061189
+John Brown's had the best photographers
+--- 58064054
+How do we feel about Pre-Dreadnoughts
+--- 58064548
+>>58064054
+swag and based
+--- 58065466
+>>58064054
+They're fine, I like the Lord Nelsons with their 9.2" secondary battery
+--- 58066727
+>>58022469
+>dreadnought
+>Victory
+>holand type sub
+god damn that is kino and aesthetic as fuck!
+--- 58066810
+>>58066727
+They're B-class submarines in the photo, I believe. Interestingly though, speaking of the Holland-class, my Dad was involved with the raising of Holland 1
+--- 58069899
+>>58058009
+>korabl
+When I was in the the USN I did a side assignment which was an intel course in San Diego. At the end of the course we had to presentation to the CO of the school on a platform. The Soviet GWEF platform was one of the choices to present. I passed on this considering it an experimental platform with limited range and impact. History says my assumptions were correct.

k/58012524.txt

@@ -664,3 +664,170 @@ Should I reach out to an Army if I’m overweight?
 Back in 2020 I went through MEPS for the Airforce and had a ship date, ready to go, but last minute my scumbag recruiter pulled the rug out from under me and assigned me a new AFSC that I had no interest in (that wasn’t on my top 10 list), so I said I was no longer interested. He was pissed, but nothing he could do. Could I still join the Airforce if I went to a different recruiter or am I blacklisted since I am a previous DEP drop?
 --- 58058632
 Mini-OCS was super fun last weekend. Did anyone here attend?
+--- 58061118
+>>58057809
+>good work environment
+>cool, real world missions
+>get to actually fly, minimal other bullshit compared to other branches
+>don't get treated like shit
+>tons of great duty stations 
+I've heard nothing but good things.
+Congrats on getting selected, that's an incredibly competitive slot. Remember anon, fixed wing will make you more money but rotary wing is more fun.
+--- 58061456
+Did anyone else apply to the May student Naval aviator boards? My recruiter said I’d probably hear back on whether or not I’m accepted in June, I’m just anxious to get out of the nightmare that is being enlisted.
+--- 58062402
+If I want to become an active-duty drag queen, what MOS does /k/ recommend?
+--- 58062644
+>>58062402
+Of course it's the fucking Navy.
+--- 58063004
+>>58062402
+You’re STILL here?
+--- 58064129
+>>58063004
+He's watching you sleep right now.
+--- 58065218
+>>58061118
+you involved in army rotary? seems like the officers are getting fucked pretty hard, but is life still decent for enlisted pilots?
+--- 58065383
+>>58065218
+>enlisted pilots?
+
+
+There are no enlisted pilots. They are commissioned warrants officers.
+--- 58065443
+>>58064129
+GWOT is over. Might as well complain about GI’s shooting babies in Vietnam because it’ll make just as much of an impact
+--- 58065575
+>>58058451
+>he was pissed
+fuck is wrong with people man
+tell your story man, sometimes people ditch shit recruiters and find good ones
+--- 58065675
+>>58065383
+Not 100% true, there were enlisted Kiowa crews esp during the invasion of iraq & troop surge.
+>t. 15S who flew CAS sorties
+--- 58065886
+Any ACTUAL, in the FLESH, breath-drawing recruiter in this thread rn? Plz respond I need 2 ask question
+--- 58065908
+>>58065675
+You damn well know that's an exception and not the rule though
+--- 58066313
+>>58065908
+Important to note that exceptions become the rule any time America is at war, IE, anytime a SM actually does their job. 
+
+A huge portion of Marine rifle companies in Fallujah were provisional, meaning, they were artillery batteries brought in to fill the gap instead of actual infantrymen. You probably wouldn't believe half of the stories from Iraq/Afghanistan but they happened.
+--- 58066458
+>>58012524 (OP)
+I’m probably gonna get drafted because biden so how do I get a armorer job?
+Is being in reserves a good side gig?
+--- 58066601
+what happened to the discord? I need advice from an nco anon
+--- 58066623
+>>58066313
+>A huge portion of Marine rifle companies in Fallujah were provisional, meaning, they were artillery batteries brought in to fill the gap instead of actual infantrymen.
+People from literally all fields were augmenting in 03 roles. I know admin guys who were kicking in doors during phantomy fury.
+I keep forgetting that it was a long time ago now. Kids view these times, if they are aware of them at all, as historical footnotes rather than something that will happen again when the shit hits the fan.
+--- 58066768
+>>58012524 (OP)
+bros I just passed the General Anthropology DSST. I "studied" for it last night by doing pullups and playing Outer Wilds. You guys are doing your CLEPs and DSSTs right? 
+>mfw there are enlisted service members who aren't taking advantage of this free opportunity
+--- 58066776
+I guess there’s no way to lie to the military about your age, right?
+--- 58067096
+How difficult is Ranger school and is it worth it?
+--- 58067187
+>>58066776
+lol
+>>58067096
+5'3" women pass it
+--- 58067272
+How does the Navy in general see nukes? I'm prior service army and have been waiting for a rate for almost 2 months now. The nuke coordinators I know will take me immediately. 
+
+Also im genuinely concerned about making friends. I know that's stupid. I'd be 25 year old socially retarded female. How bad is the gender disparity for nukes
+--- 58067402
+>>58067272
+No idea but Im Air Force and I remember seeing 1 girl (I remember her because we were at a course together and she's unbelievable cute) at a table of nothing but ICBM dudes, she was as well, so probably going to nothing but guys, it's that way for basically all maintainers, nothing but swinging dicks
+--- 58067506
+>>58067272
+My university is an ROTC feeder school directly to Navy nuke school. It's about 80% dudes. All the women in the program are either autistic or would actively try to eat your ass (there's a significant overlap). The Navy has always been the most pro female branch imo.
+--- 58067816
+hello buddies rookie airman here, does anyone in the army know where to catch the next drag queen show? I'm a big fan of drag and lgbt. looking forward to fighting 'mad vlad' to defend their rights to adopt russian orphans
+--- 58068719
+Navy DCO (Direct commission officer) info? My recruiter contacted me today that I am going to MEPs on Monday.
+--- 58068828
+>>58065675
+Incredibly based. How much stick wiggling did you do? All the former Kiowa guys I’ve worked with have been great.
+--- 58068842
+So are we actually going to war with China in the next few years? I want to experience a real war, not some oil field security guard pretend shit in some middle eastern hellhole. I wish so badly I was in the WW2 generation, hell I’d even settle for Korea or Vietnam. Normal life is just so boring and meaningless.
+>inb4 volunteer for Ukraine
+No thanks, I don’t feel like being literal cannon fodder sent to a meat grinder.
+--- 58069147
+>>58068828
+Logged 83 flight hours before we got replacement WOs. Guy before me put a Hydra 70 through the roof of a civ dwelling that was next to a building NG MPs were taking contact from, killed an entire Shiite family save for one of the kids who just had both of his legs amputated. Higher wrote it off as collateral but he got grounded and replaced with us.
+--- 58069187
+Just counting down the days till my ship date. Vidya aint hitting like it used to.
+--- 58069244
+>>58069187
+You'll miss it after the first few weeks. Treat the suck as a good thing, it makes you appreciate little things like vidya more when you can enjoy them.
+--- 58069305
+>>58012524 (OP)
+do not join anything else other than the airforce. I always wanted to join the military and did a lot of research. but ended up not joining after all. but everything i've read, the quality of life in the airforce is far superior. in other branches they literally send criminals into the branch as an alternative to serving a sentence lol.
+--- 58069392
+>>58069147
+Honestly the idea of taking someone and sticking them into combat in armed Kiowa with no flight training is insane. Props dude.
+--- 58069436
+>>58069392
+>with no flight training
+We obviously had training, just not flight school. Got to use the flight sims, then our WOs and Os had us on flights. That said the average 15S should know enough about the airframe to fly it in a pinch, unless he's a shitbag.
+--- 58069629
+Is it possible to do a 3 year contract for 11b with airborne school?
+--- 58069751
+>>58069436
+Yeah, I meant the full Rucker curriculum and progression. Flying combat missions with less than like 30hours TT is nuts imo, not that it isn’t impossible to do.
+--- 58069764
+>>58069629
+Of course. It's a 3 week course, not something that'd extend a contract. Depending on the needs of the Army some of your peers who signed leg contracts will get volunteered for it.
+--- 58069904
+>>58068719
+What you wanna know?
+>go meps, get disrespected by retired gunnys
+>wait
+>do professionals interviews
+>wait
+>complete package, redo shit they want you to do, or add shit you need
+>submit package
+>wait
+>accepted/rejected
+Always be on your recruiters ass to do shit.
+>t.offered DCO comission with navy, told them to fuck off.
+--- 58069962
+>>58069629
+11x option 4.
+--- 58070147
+>>58069904
+Its me OP
+What are the interviews like? My recruiter has been excellent in responding and getting it done. I have gone from zero to going to MEPs in under 3 weeks
+--- 58070169
+There's a Air Force NG base near my house
+If I join the Air Force will I get sent there?
+--- 58070253
+Can I get my wisdom teeth pulled in basic? And how is tricare for dental? My faggoty ass fucking dentists have strung me along for 10 months cancelling my appointments. I need better insurance than medical.
+--- 58070261
+>>58068842
+Why?
+--- 58070296
+>>58035098
+You will fit right in
+--- 58070304
+>>58069305
+What AFSC were you? Looking into intel but ultimately undecided. It just depends on what I score on the ASVAB i guess
+--- 58070311
+>>58070296
+I mean they got the Village People to make a song for them. I'm just saying they were always fruity
+--- 58070563
+>>58069305
+Real men don’t join the Airforce, unless as a pilot, but I know that’s not what you meant. If you are a real man and/or want to prove to yourself and others you’re not soft, join the Army or Marines infantry.
+--- 58070567
+>>58070296
+I can’t imagine allowing my tax dollars to pay for this. I sure hope you don’t either, or else you are just as culpable.

k/58021927.txt

@@ -359,3 +359,137 @@ Supersoaker full of consecrated urine obv dumb question
 --- 58058562
 >>58057622
 Evangelism, and by extension Protestantism in general (at the very least, American Protestantism), really has done harm to the public perception of what Christianity is. These people who've been alienated by Protestant practices probably think of their old pastor banging his fists on the altar and yelling about how everyone but the people their specific little church is going to burn in hell every Sunday, and watching the churchgoers around them forget all their moral principles the second they're out the doors. I get the feeling that if they looked at how every other sect of Christianity behaves itself in church (and out) they'd be shocked beyond words.
+--- 58059430
+>>58039148
+Chasing fame both online and IRL makes people fruitcakes because they are basically slaves to the radicals that obsess over them.
+>>58043509
+I've been one my entire life and I'm probably more white and based than you. Sorry you can't stomach optimistic nihilism and still function.
+--- 58059606
+>>58038447
+Kek
+--- 58059643
+>>58050250
+Geez i wonder where the witches broomstick came from...
+--- 58059714
+>>58049539
+Holy based.
+--- 58059998
+>>58026727
+It’s the latest Jewish trick. 
+
+If you want to go the schizo route, take the wormpill
+--- 58060003
+>>58043579
+I don't know what RIFTS is.
+--- 58060011
+>>58022599
+The TSA has never managed to catch a terrorist in their existence. They fail internal security checks so frequently that they quit testing further because they’d know they fail. It’s staffed by retards who weren’t good enough to work at the DMV. But go ahead, keep thinking what you think
+--- 58060052
+>>58037066
+Go fuck yourself. The TSA is worthless and has stopped none of those from happening. For example, the shoe bomber got through security and was stopped on the plane. They fail at least 80% of security tests the DHS runs 
+https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/tsa-fails-tests-latest-undercover-operation-us-airports/story?id=51022188
+
+Granted that was a couple years ago but new scanners can’t make the retards working there think.
+--- 58060433
+>>58043579
+Hello fellow Vampire Kingdoms enjoyer. There are dozens of us, dozens.
+--- 58060636
+>>58049539
+Based. Disappointed it took so long for someone to post
+--- 58060696
+Bear gun for a pistol, guide gun for a rifle.
+
+If there's more than one, a full auto shotgun with a drum mag might save your ass.
+
+I'd suggest acquiring some of those clothes that animal control officers wear, the bite proof collars and sleeves, and a spinal brace, cup, and one of those plastic inserts you put in a hat. Vampires have chimp strength and cheetah speed, apart from the teeth and the hypnosis. 
+
+CQC, either a Hutton's Edge or a Gabe Suarez Grab n' Stab. You're not going to win a knife fight against a sucker, best you can do is pull out a knife once they've grabbed you and try and do some damage before they bite you. Go for the tendons and try to get back to your gun.
+--- 58060756
+>>58050873
+Here you go
+https://www.theboxotruth.com/threads/the-box-o-truth-35-a-load-of-dimes-vs-the-box-o-truth.359/
+They would probably still kill you if you are very close but it’s significantly inferior to real shells
+--- 58060782
+>>58022201
+>Man with magical powers
+>Comes back from the dead
+>Wants you to drink his blood
+
+Was Jesus a vampire?
+--- 58060786
+>>58059430
+>I've been one my entire life and I'm probably more white and based than you. Sorry you can't stomach optimistic nihilism and still function.
+this is exactly why everyone makes fun of you fucking gaytheist spergs
+--- 58060869
+>>58053045
+He is white
+--- 58060953
+>>58059430
+>I've been one my entire life and I'm probably more white and based than you. Sorry you can't stomach optimistic nihilism and still function.
+Kek sure you are
+--- 58061436
+>>58060869
+are the rest of the jews?
+--- 58061775
+>>58021927 (OP)
+There are no Vampies only long lived the closest you can get to a 'Blessed Weapon" would be Rolling Blocks form the last Papal army http://www.papalartifacts.com/portfolio-item/rolling-block-remington-carbine-rifle/
+--- 58062227
+>>58061436
+No and modern Jews aren’t the same as biblical Jews
+--- 58062664
+>>58061775
+>long lived
+Tell me more
+--- 58063204
+>>58021927 (OP)
+The last time we had this thread the answer was "muh dick"
+--- 58064620
+>>58059998
+>take the wormpill
+Where the fuck am I going to find a sandtrout?
+--- 58065006
+>>58063204
+yes
+--- 58065124
+What if it's a Soviet vampire?
+--- 58065157
+>>58039017
+>"it's too big, never can get a good blowjob"
+--- 58065262
+>>58065124
+Probably has aids
+--- 58065685
+>>58053045
+The old Hebrew race and the old wider Semite race is general is dead and mongrelified to hell and back. The kikeiest kikes seem to have interbreed with the kikeiest of other races after Rome broke them up resulting in their shitty behavior spreading around and mutating like the worst case of political/economic herpes in history. Good job Titus.
+--- 58066072
+>>58052732
+This except I unironically believe that men are better than women at everything, INCLUDING being women. Just gotta wait for science to catch up.
+--- 58066790
+>>58066072
+Ok Karl Karsada
+--- 58069181
+>>58023856
+>\\
+--- 58070034
+>>58066072
+Bullshit faggots must die.
+--- 58070073
+>>58066790
+>>58070034
+When the technology matures and there's gun loving, republican voting waifus for everyone who have sexual appetites like a man you'll be thanking the current pre-alpha models for blazing a trail.
+--- 58070126
+>>58070073
+Probably true in the long term but by long term I mean 40+ years and playing pretend now is like pretending an 80s pocket calculator was skynet
+--- 58070129
+>>58021927 (OP)
+Simple a auto mag V
+--- 58070228
+>>58070073
+>>58070126
+In 40 years tranny ideology will be seen much the same as we now see the ideology that produced lobotomies.
+--- 58070428
+>>58022201
+based and truth-pilled. 
+>used to have night terrors about the Grays
+>started praying whenever it happened and invoking Jesus's name
+>the night terrors stop

k/58022119.txt

@@ -875,3 +875,268 @@ Thanks!
 >>58056530
 >>58056722
 I don't think there's a huge demand for an inline LAM, only Holosun has that. Every other LAM on the market doesn't.
+--- 58059764
+>>58058584
+Raid is centered over the bore afaik
+--- 58059791
+Those chinkleafs over at opfor night solutions got their hands on a dev quad-tube housing made by the same lot as the 1431s (Argus?).
+Are we hitting the era of cheap quad tubes?
+--- 58059959
+>>58055549
+I find the VIR II to be way to floody. >>58055615
+I use this head to get rid of that issue. To be fair though, I don’t know that there are any pistol mounted IR light/laser combos that don’t suck. Even the surfire LAM is insanely floody
+--- 58059983
+>>58058584
+Raid xe is centered over the bore line
+--- 58059992
+>>58059791
+I’d be hella pissed if I drop $10K+ on binos w coti and some chinesium quadnods go for the same price
+--- 58060298
+>>58059992
+You would still need to buy two more ITT, and quads are only a marginal performance gain in niche circumstances with the cost of increased weight. Not really worth it imo
+--- 58060352
+>>58058162
+Yes. Pic in OP was attached to a mirrorless with an IR pass filter on the nod (trying to cut through heavy light pollution). I don't feel like I've mastered direct camera attachment though. Quality and especially edge falloff depend heavily on the lens used.
+--- 58060815
+>>58055906
+There was none. Just fixed mount and colors.
+--- 58060822
+>>58056021
+They could leave the white light function but just have a slot for surefire heads or something.
+--- 58060887
+>>58060298
+really thinking if I should move over to a 1431 housing even tho my tubes dont have manual gain pigtail.
+--- 58061474
+>>58059791
+>cheap quad tubes
+I don’t think so, the housing wasn’t the determining factor of the total cost, it’s the intensifier tubes themselves. You can get the chinkshit housing and lens that /k/ikemmando store uses and 4 xlsh tubes for way cheaper than the legit L3 GPNVG. But I guess this newer housing will be better quality than the chinkshit knockoff.
+--- 58062775
+>>58060815
+>he missed the post that talked specifically about a smaller and lighter M3 being developed at the moment
+--- 58062801
+>>58062775
+I missed it too - can you post?
+--- 58063077
+>>58062801
+You'll have to check the archive but an anon here had got the information from them. Upgraded switches coming soon too.
+--- 58063172
+I have $40k in cash. What should I do with it?
+--- 58063208
+>>58063172
+Give me 7k to buy duals :D
+--- 58063217
+>>58063172
+buy a new car and gamble with the rest
+--- 58063243
+>>58063172
+Dunno, what do you need/desire? Do you already have night vision or experience with it? Do you want/need thermal?
+--- 58063266
+>>58058584
+>I don't think there's a huge demand for an inline LAM
+Probably not. The Steiner ITAL has been discontinued for a while and I think the Holosun LS117 is something people buy more because it's cheap rather than because it's inline.
+I'm more interested in Laserspeed taking advantage of the diode package they have in the FL5 than having them make an inline laser device like the other anon wants but, I support the idea. I think the cheapest and simplest solution would be for them to drill two sets of mounting holes so people can choose.
+--- 58063272
+>>58063243
+I have a mid-tier PVS14 and nothing else. I'm interested in dual tubes.
+--- 58063284
+>>58060352
+With a tripod and stacking software like Siril you could get some very nice milky way shots.
+--- 58063291
+>>58063172
+two tanto housings with rpo 3.0 lenses, high spec l3 tubes, an nvb58 bridge, wilcox g24, jerry ce5, avon n49 helmet, an infiray rico rs75 for your rifle
+--- 58063294
+>>58063272
+>dual tubes
+When I have the money I'm likely just going to go to JRH and buy some duals. Unless anons think there are better elsewhere.
+--- 58063402
+>>58063272
+>nothing else.
+I assume at least a helmet setup, maybe barebones, but something to attach the PVS-14 and to use it hands free.
+If not, then you'll need a helmet (bump or ballistic) or something to attach it to your head i.e. a skull crusher or similar alternative. A lowering arm mount and a j-arm.
+I also assume you have a rifle that is ready to be a night gun setup, if so you'll need a LAM and should (but not required) get an optic that has NVG capabilities and this RDS can be either your primary or secondary optic i.e. piggybacked or offset.
+If you are looking for dual/binos, you have wide selection and wide range of budget. Just going to stick to brand new as used is gonna a different beast to tackle, the lowest priced entry will be the RNVG but these are non articulating binos. If you need/desire articulating binos then you have BNVDs for the lowest price offering for the basic setup and it goes up from there, theres DTNVS, PVS-31a. And then there is tube performance that will increase the price i.e. thinfilm vs filmless.
+Really you need to give us more info on what you truly want and limits on price, that $40k is gonna give you everything you ever need other than GPNVG.
+--- 58063411
+>>58063294
+>JRH and buy some duals
+JRH is a good place to buy from, I and many other anons and NVD owners have placed orders with Robert and he runs a good business for years now.
+--- 58063430
+>>58063294
+>>58063411
+Always call him up to get hand select of what he has available and he will be honest with you with what he has and is willing to offer deals if you mention being referred from arfcom. If what he has available is not sufficient for your desired specs and little to no blems/peppershots then just wait on the next batch he gets or try another retailer the ones from the OP is a good place to start.
+--- 58063475
+>>58063294
+JRH probably works on the lowest profit margins on the market. he's an abrasive boomer but god damn does the dude earn his paycheck. any time I've had a question about my duals, he responds in like 30 minutes, no matter what time I message him.
+--- 58063531
+>>58063172
+Buy a nice NOD setup, good rifle and accessories. Put the 3/4 remaining jnto a mutual fund and the rest for savings.
+--- 58064234
+bump
+--- 58064343
+>>58063402
+This is all good advice. Bro needs to set some goals before he can pick the best tools for the job.
+--- 58064423
+>>58063402
+I'd like to have a nice set of duals to go night hiking/LARPing and stargazing with, but I worry about tripping over a rock and faceplanting while wearing ten grand on my head. Does insurance for NVGs exist?
+Shooting wise, I'm more interested in long range night shooting than blasting stuff with an AR. I used a PVS30 in the Army but know nothing about clip on imagers besides that.
+I'd like to keep things under the 5 digit range.
+--- 58064465
+>>58064423
+>Does insurance for X exist
+Lol
+--- 58064525
+>>58064423
+If you are gonna go all out then you may want to look at BVNDs with Supergain tubes from TNVC, I hear they are perfect for very low light situation and the increased gain looks fantastic and I would assume that will correlate with better stargazing as you will be in a very low light pollution setting to get the most of your stargazing activity.
+Night hiking will also benefit with Supergain but again it depends on the environment if you are in a situation with mixed lighting then the higher gain might wash out and cause shadow contrasting issues but this might be more of an issue with shooting in an urban settings.
+Overall you can't go wrong with high spec regular L3 unfilmed/filmless tubes, if you wanted the lightest articulating setup take a look at the Tanto housing but this isn't as tired and true tested like BNVDs and DTNVS. If you want legit mil cred then the PVS-31a from L3 is the way to go guaranteed high spec and FOM and little to no blems/peppershot due to matching mil spec requirements.
+>>58064423
+>>58064465
+Insurance does exist, home insurance will cover it at least they claim to.
+You can check out insurance that cover specific objects/properties I know arfcom users have mentioned this insurer before for their firearms and accessories: https://collectinsure.com/.
+--- 58064734
+>>58064525
+>Supergain tubes
+This meme again. It's also not going to keep him on budget.
+--- 58064811
+>>58064734
+He mentioned 5 digit range, and I think he will be within it.
+"Supergain" was just a suggestion, and I hope I didn't come off as a hard sell for them.
+To me "supergain" is the next Omni IX specs from the US military and from the leaked/rumor specs that I've seen and read it matches the luminious gain of the "supergain" marketing.
+--- 58064841
+>>58064811
+>supergain
+>future meta
+>not long range detection fusion devices
+ngmi
+--- 58064872
+>>58062775
+No such post.
+ >>58063077
+The improved mount and color thing is verifiable because they make announcements on their social media. They're not shy about saying what they're doing. Concerning the lighter redesigned m3 lol you're lying or gullible. Shut up you ignorant proofless idiot. They just made new colors and mount you think they're going to completely redesign it to make it smaller and lighter after having just improved the original? If you do i have a bridge to sell you.
+--- 58064883
+>>58063172
+What else do you have? House cars debt woman kids savings accounts assets etc
+--- 58064888
+>>58064811
+It said "under the 5 digit range" and unless I misunderstood the post it sounded like anon also wanted to try to get a clip on within that budget too.
+As for Supergain tubes I'm not completely sold. I'd like to see more comparisons against high spec unfilmed to confirm it's not TNVC marketing fluff. The extra $3k+ already seems like diminishing returns territory.
+--- 58064943
+>>58064888
+>It said "under the 5 digit range" and unless I misunderstood the post it sounded like anon also wanted to try to get a clip on within that budget too.
+My bad, yeah under 5 digit range, sounds like $9,999 max instead of his upper total funds available of $40k.
+I didn't see anything about thermal, just his desire for bino NVDs for stargazing, night hiking, LARPing at night/darkness with firearms.
+Regarding "supergain", I don't have personal experience with it but at least one anon here posted about owning a pair of them sounds like he doesn't think its a game changer either. I can only go by what others have said and overall its a mix bag, some like the higher gain when in very very low light environment and others dislike it due to being in a mixed lighting environment the higher gain seems to cause issues with contrasting shadows and objects or something like that. Personally I'm fine with my 18um/20um tubes and would recommend that in heartbeat unless they truly wanted the "best specs" out there.
+--- 58065078
+>>58064872
+Cope and seethe faggot, in fact you don't even need the archive >>57953783 →
+>The improved mount and color thing is verifiable because they make announcements on their social media.
+Email anon posted about it a day before it was announced on their facebook.
+>you think they're going to completely redesign it to make it smaller and lighter after having just improved the original?
+Yes, many companies do things called iterative change. If you dig around, you will find that the current M3 was not the original design in any case. 
+In conclusion, maybe do .0001 seconds of research so you can at least be an arrogant faggot but actually be correct this time.
+--- 58065832
+Hi Anons, I am interested in getting a 1x thermal monocular. Should I get a MH-25 with the updated eyepiece or a JerryC? Can you use the JerryC as a standalone device during the day? Already own WP dual nods.
+--- 58065862
+>>58065832
+>Can you use the JerryC as a standalone device during the day? 
+Yes, but you'll have to buy an adapter to do that, which is kinda bulky.
+>Already own WP dual nods.
+You're probably better off with the Jerry C then, you'll be able to scan with that easier at night time than the MH25, since you won't be doing the PVS-14 dual band type setup.
+--- 58065880
+>>58065832
+I like a standalone thermal for navigation where standard i2 falls short.
+--- 58065890
+>>58065832
+>Can you use the JerryC as a standalone device during the day?
+You can if you get the eyepiece adapter to let you use the Jerry-C like a standard handheld, but I hear the adapter is not that great and the lower resolution of the display that gets projected is just not that great and its only one color output and I think its red.
+Better off using the Jerry-C with your binos.
+
+If you wanted a standalone thermal that you keep in your pocket for scanning purposes, then I would recommend the MH-25 or any of iray other lineup of that model series. The jerry-c is nice but it really is only useful with NVDs and so at night use.
+--- 58066037
+>>58065890
+>that you keep in your pocket for scanning purposes
+I really recommend that everyone opt for a helmet mountable option. It gives one the option for navigation when the i2 fails.
+--- 58066047
+>>58065890
+Yeah, JerryC is best paired with a MH25 or Flir 136 or other small handheld. JerryC says there might be something over there. Use a larger thermal to see what it is.
+--- 58066492
+>>58066047
+The Jerry C probably out performs the Flir Breach since the former usually has a 640 resolution sensor, and the latter has a much smaller resolution sensor.
+--- 58066503
+thots on pic related thermal?
+--- 58066553
+>>58066503
+That's the sightmark mini wraith right? Funny I just saw a video about from this guy's channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWOkXCqW91g [Embed]
+I like how its not a chink made device and for less than $2k, thats a killer deal. He seems to like it a lot and he has a lot of experience with thermal and hunting with them.
+--- 58066642
+>>58032082
+I never understood the point of clip on thermals. Sure it will magnify the screen but you're still limited by resolution.
+--- 58066734
+>>58066503
+Specs don't seem bad, but it also seems rather new on the market.
+--- 58066737
+>>58066553
+Yeah but it's a little over $2k on sightmark's website. Doesn't look bad if you want thermals without magnification. The only issue would be the builtin-mount and the battery compartment since it's just a push button.
+--- 58066754
+>>58066642
+I think the purpose for clip on thermal is to allow you to detach the thermal and use it as a scanner and then mount it to get ready to shoot what you detected during that scanning.
+Magnified lcd/oled screens aren't so bad depending on the resolution of the display, but yeah you are limited by the thermal sensor's resolution and also objective lens size.
+This is my C35 thermal attached in front of my acog ta110 and looking at a steel ipsec 2/3 torso target at 100yds. The mountain/hill in the background is about 600-700yds.
+--- 58066763
+>>58066642
+Doesn't matter if you have enough clarity in the thermal image. Most of the cheaper options on the market are fine for the hog hunting they'll get used for and the nice stuff is priced accordingly.
+--- 58066893
+>>58066737
+I got the non thermal Wraith 2-16. Looks like the same body. 
+>Haven't had the battery tray open unintentionally. It is rather stoutly locked.
+>You are not wrong about the mount. I shelled the $55 for the qd base. Still had to put it on a riser to use on my AR.
+--- 58066948
+>>58066893
+Not sure if the hex screws on pic related are for the housing or the mount. If I could replace the mount with a QD one then I'm all set or else permanently attach this to a riser that has a QD.
+--- 58067199
+ARGUS you need to pay so I can get my mount I know you lurk in this thread just pay so I get my mount I already paid you $30 in shipping I just want my mount.
+--- 58067291
+>>58064943
+>I didn't see anything about thermal
+I never said thermal. The original post said clip on which was referring to NV clip ons. Work on your reading comprehension lmao. Otherwise I hope TNVC pays you by word count.
+--- 58067367
+>>58067291
+Right, all because I misinterpreted your comment about clip on devices, I'm a TNVC shill. You can look back at his post he said he wanted dual/bino NVDs.
+Hate on the "supergain" all you want, I don't care I don't own any and don't have any stock in the companies that are pushing for it i.e. L3 and TNVC. But don't get mad at me when Omni IX gets approved and tubes moving forward will have that as the standard spec.
+--- 58067467
+>>58067367
+>I'm a TNVC shill
+literally why
+--- 58067478
+>>58067367
+Why do you shill for TNVC?
+--- 58067494
+>>58067467
+>>58067478
+So this is how you want this thread to reach bump limit huh, being morons who can't read what I posted?
+--- 58067523
+>>58067494
+No, I am doing it because supergain was already discussed in this thread extensively. >>58049275
+--- 58067625
+>>58067367
+>because I misinterpreted your comment about clip on 
+You didn't misinterpret my comment. You clearly did not read the original comment in full which mentioned a PVS-30 and clip on. You didn't even fully understand the question yet proceeded to reply with several paragraphs which still did not provide a solution that was within anon's requested budget limit.
+>getting this butthurt over a mere joke about being a TNVC shill
+shiggy diggy
+>But don't get mad at me when Omni IX gets approved and tubes moving forward will have that as the standard spec.
+Why would I get mad? lmao. We can upgrade to them when the right time comes or to whatever the next commercially available meta tube is at that time.
+--- 58068007
+/nvg/ is a fren zone. You have been reminded. Carry on.
+--- 58068455
+>>58022147
+I just bought the chinesium one before reading this. Is there any way to remedy the eye relief problem?
+--- 58069050
+>>58068455
+
+Nerfanon here. I did a couple things to try and fix it, with varying degrees of success; the best I could do was taping a convex lens (some plastic thing off a broken toy) over the LCD eyepiece, then taping a toilet paper roll around/over that lens. It wasn't great, but it helped with both eye relief and light leakage without being too heavy/bulky like most of my previous attempts. It's almost useless when moving, but it works okay when stationary.
+--- 58069622
+>>58069050
+>>58068455
+You guys should really just take the oneleaf commander nv100 pill. Shits 300 bucks. Sony sensor. Thats like the bottom tier digi nv now
+--- 58070846
+Bump

k/58023952.txt

@@ -1005,3 +1005,197 @@ Lol, lmao even.
 --- 58058803
 >>58058775
 Hopefully a 308 isn't anon's first choice for home defense. Even so, an LPVO would be better than an ACOG or a real scope for use indoors.
+--- 58059677
+>>58057268
+>0.5% increase is huge
+Always seems like a fuck you toward me when I'm going to buy something. Been drawing the short straw on that sort of thing for a while. We shall see what the fed says, but I think I'll keep my truck since I don't have a payment on it even if I do buy a new car. Pic related.
+--- 58059828
+Muh sheila
+--- 58060424
+>>58057277
+when you shill your shitty rifle here, yes.
+--- 58061681
+I know there are some anons here with reservations about DSA's new production FALs, but are there any glaring issues that need to be known before buying one secondhand?
+--- 58063037
+>>58058803
+
+LPVO in the city is already LARPing. Claiming it's better for doorkicking ranges is citing a crack pipe as your source. If you need any optic on a rifle besides iron sights at that range you need to shoot more. For "longer ranges" and "shtf" you aren't going to ignore how many GWOT vets preferred ACOGs to the ELCAN are you anon?
+--- 58063151
+>>58023952 (OP)
+
+Just got a my first battle rifle, couldnt be happier. Although I see myself moving to a sig 716i tread in the next year or so.
+--- 58063832
+>>58058055
+>but I'm also retarded.
+Do retards get laid much? Is it as good or better than fucking smart people?
+--- 58063859
+>>58060424
+Nta, silly. Just disappointed,...again.
+--- 58063873
+>>58063151
+Pretty cool, fren. See, paint ain't so bad. I like it.
+--- 58063898
+>>58023965
+>hcar for 6 fucking grands
+At this point put in a fucking dragunov for 50k usd
+--- 58063976
+>>58058803
+Most ACOG enjoyers like myself run a RMR with theirs.
+The 1X sucks and that tranny who got domed by a cop used his offset dot.
+>>58063037
+MPVO+dot is king
+--- 58064231
+>>58063898
+>there will always be resentful and defiant poor people
+Ask me how I know.
+--- 58064292
+>>58064231
+wts soul for HCAR
+--- 58064347
+>>58063151
+Sig Tread is the sleeper BR
+--- 58064432
+>>58051565
+>best FAL book
+Fn fal by bob cashner
+--- 58064512
+>>58057268
+>>58059677
+How much is a 0.25 percent increase? I don't into economics so I'm not sure how this would affect car interest rates. Car rates are all I care about at the moment since my mortgage is fixed. I'm aware that in general everything is shitty right now. Need low payments to afford some ammo to shoot, ya dig?
+--- 58064576
+>>58064347
+>sig sewer
+Yeah I’d rather just build an AR10 from scratch
+--- 58064624
+>>58061681
+bump
+--- 58064817
+>>58064576
+How does that even physically happen? is the barrel made of pot metal? is the handguard?
+--- 58064851
+>>58064817
+That's what happens when a redditor doesn't tighten the screws down all the way, either because they're too weak or because they're afraid to hurt their gun.
+--- 58064865
+>>58063037
+>LPVO is larping
+>cites GWOT to defend argument
+
+Can you please go back to one of the low IQ generals
+--- 58064874
+>>58064851
+So what you're saying is he needs to use loctite?
+--- 58064889
+>>58063976
+>that tranny who got domed by a cop used his offset dot.
+>his
+--- 58064954
+>>58064576
+ 716i has been the only recent Sig rifle that hasn’t exhibited any problems.
+--- 58064963
+>>58064889
+>>his
+Yes the officer who was a biological male shot a ftm with his offset red dot
+--- 58064964
+>>58064889
+>His
+Yes the cop was a male
+--- 58065002
+>>58064889
+Yes. The biological female masquerading as a man got fucked on by the M/AM (Male to Alpha Male) tranny. What were you insinuating?
+--- 58065034
+>>58064963
+>>58064964
+>>58065002
+The sentence implies it was the tranny using the dot
+--- 58065297
+>>58065034
+It's not a great sentence but it was clear
+--- 58065812
+Is the Saint Victor 308 decent? Trying to get into a solid ar10 and I'm mostly concerned with reliability
+--- 58066124
+Why come my FAL bipod isn't sitting flush when closed?
+It's only on one side. Other side sits flush. I notice there's a little wiggle to it on that side and so when it's closed, it doesn't want to sit flush. Other side sits flush and is also much stiffer opening and closing. I'm sorry if this isn't descriptive enough. I could post pics if that helps.
+Why come it be like it do?
+Yes, it's surplus. Can a brother fix this or is he shieeeeet out of luck?
+--- 58066307
+>>58061681
+DS### serial numbers are better than ones with DSA### numbers, but both should be alright.
+--- 58066368
+>>58065812
+Just build one lol lmao
+--- 58066448
+>>58061681
+I’ve put about 7-800 rounds through my 16in carbine without issue, once I figured out the gas and changed out the mag springs/followers.
+--- 58066460
+>>58066368
+That's a good idea anon, which brands do you recommend looking into? Are the Aero .308 rifles solid?
+--- 58066507
+Are there any good movies or anime where battle rifles are used a lot? I just wanna see bad guys get clapped with real fuckin nato
+--- 58066509
+>>58066460
+>aero
+Maybe stripped upper, stripped lower and BCG sure but buy a good barrel from faxon, criterion or noveske. Twinkrexarms did a 5K round review and it failed because he was shooting suppressed without an adjustable gas block. 
+Aero also makes their employees get vaxxed so thats why I dont like them.
+--- 58066603
+>>58064865
+
+>FALggot got his feelings hurt when called out
+--- 58066699
+>>58066507
+Heat 
+Battle of Jadotvile
+--- 58066898
+>>58023952 (OP)
+Does Armalite make a good AR-10? I'm looking at this one as it seems to check all the boxes for getting into the Battle Rifle game. 
+
+If that's not a decent option then where can I get AR-10 pattern upper and lower receivers? I'm not interested in DPMS pattern stuff.
+
+https://www.armalite.com/SACItem.aspx?Item=DEF10&ReturnURL=/Armalite/Product-Category/Complete-Firearms&Category=6e26537b-4edc-4e0b-8d59-734f2b9d71e2
+--- 58067323
+>>58064512
+>0.25 percent increase
+Prime is the rate banks and Warren Buffett borrow at. You get the peasent markup rate. Don't assume debt prior to a recession, I wouldn't. Detail your ride, invest in a minor repair and buy seat covers.
+--- 58067353
+>>58066124
+Pics would help, but probably wait until early next thread for best results.
+--- 58067375
+>>58065297
+>It's not a great sentence
+The sentence structure allowed a small ambiguity to be inferred, but was still in essence correct. It could have been formed more correctly. As a fully Deputized Englishy Speaking Cool Dude, I will allow it without overt criticism, given the nature of the medium. But yeah.
+--- 58067388
+>>58066507
+>where battle rifles are used a lot?
+Saving Private Ryan. The M1 Garand is a true battle rifle.
+--- 58067401
+>>58066699
+>Battle of Jadotvile
+Underrated.
+--- 58068023
+>>58067353
+>>58066124
+First pic is it resting and second is me pushing it flush. You can see it doesn't want to sit flush like the other one does.
+
+Third is what I think the problem is. There's a little gap there. If I push it flush, that gap disappears and it's flat but it wants to bend out and create that gap.
+I tried tightening it but it's as tight as it goes. It could be the screw isn't tightening enough or it's going in crooked. I don't want to take it off because of the spring in it.
+Another thing is the screws aren't mirrored and I don't know if they should be.
+--- 58068240
+>>58066507
+I've got some cool documentaries
+American Dreamer
+Africa Adio
+--- 58068423
+>>58066898
+Just build one
+--- 58068884
+>>58068423
+Some people don't balk at the buy it now price.
+--- 58068890
+>>58067375
+Well then it's time for you to become acquainted with this little piece 
+https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwell/essays-and-other-works/politics-and-the-english-language/
+--- 58068904
+>>58068890
+I ain't reading that, reading is dumb.
+--- 58069176
+>>58068904
+We know, Mr Reading

k/58026427.txt

@@ -1190,3 +1190,67 @@ Time to join my stumpy alcoholics in the mines i guess. I am really regretting t
 --- 58058512
 >>58032542
 "I am that is" this you fuckin' casual
+--- 58060089
+>>58026427 (OP)
+>League of legends
+>Schmidt-Rubun K11
+Might be alright as long as I don't run into some op creature or "champion" I should be fine. Plus all the fantasy snatch a man can dream of.
+--- 58062169
+>>58058512
+What?
+--- 58062184
+>>58054082
+Res?
+--- 58066617
+>>58026427 (OP)
+This is the closest to fan/k/sia we have right now.
+--- 58067321
+>>58026427 (OP)
+>You've been magick'd into the world of the last fantasy media you consumed (vidya/tv/book).
+Quatermass 1979 Britain in collapse, warring street gangs and hippy cultists unknown aliens harvesting human cultists
+>>58026427 (OP)
+>You get to bring the last gun you shot along with 500 rounds of ammo.
+Unique X51 22LR Bis silenced with a 4x32 scope on see though mounts and irons, 10 shot semi auto/single selectable with a spare mag
+Austrian alpine ruck with a change of clothes, socks, passport house deeds, heath insurance papers, 500 dollars and 500 euros, an esbit heater and tabs, water purification tables, fishing kit, mess set, coffee, three mre main meals, sleeping bag and bivy, kipmat, tarp and bungees, leatherman and bowie knife, slingshot and steel BBs, map and compass, glowstick, flares in a waterproof case, hot water bottle and a can of butane and a stove head.
+
+Me and my jacket and jeans etc.I fare probably fine initially but like everyone else in the hellscape ultimately I am fucked as it is a complete societal collapse. 
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BntA_noQWPg [Embed]
+--- 58067362
+>>58026427 (OP)
+>skyrim 
+>vepr rifle
+Sigh, stealth sniper for 100th time
+--- 58067397
+>>58048888
+Can't argue with those cunning quads. But >>58048913 is correct that in general a major challenge in this sort of situation is actually getting an audience with someone powerful at all.
+
+However, 500 rounds is enough that you can afford to spend a few mags making a difference, and with the worldlore a reader would possess it should be possible to get into the right place at the right time to shoot a bunch of bandits or something, everyone will recognize the value at that point. I suppose though that just shifts the question to "where in the world do you appear and when". Traveling in a pre-modern setting was non-trivial particularly with no money. Bugout bag helps give you (or me at least) a few weeks worth of runway in terms of rations and having a bottle of iodine to sterilize water with for drinking, but that's still not going to get you across a continent alone. Hunting is doable to draw things out for minimal ammo, but the bootstrapping issue is a real one. No modern medicine means injuries are a big deal (Tywin or Tyrion would probably be at least as interested in knowledge of stuff like germ theory, basic engines etc).
+--- 58067441
+>>58026427 (OP)
+My guns mean shit because everyone is flying spaceships capable of going 5km/s
+--- 58067456
+>>58067397
+Damn, how the fuck did I just now realise that I had the forbidden quads of the Austrian painter
+--- 58067557
+>>58026427 (OP)
+>Rosen Garten Saga
+>mdrx 308
+Maybe Atilla would be interested but I don't think I'd get the attention of anyone else nor do I have the girth to follow his majesty very far, but it'll be a hell of a way to go.
+--- 58070112
+>>58026427 (OP)
+92fs
+Fully Stocked 3 day bag
+CCW setup and work/hiking wear
+Monster Girl 1000
+Dream Isekai scenario actually. Basically heaven.
+--- 58070164
+>>58067441
+What fantasy genre media had that?
+--- 58070189
+>>58062169
+--- 58070487
+>Hunt: Showdown
+>Saiga 9
+
+Going to get anal raped by Hellhounds or some scrub sweatlord hiding in the bushes with an Avto

k/58027783.txt

@@ -364,3 +364,204 @@ Isoroku and Oba
 >waaah it's uh actually the ALLIES fault our death labor camps got so bad
 
 Truly a wild Nazi cope take
+--- 58058969
+>>58054921
+>His widow, Lena M. Basilone, died on June 11, 1999, aged 86, and is buried at Riverside National Cemetery in Riverside, California. Lena's obituary notes that she never remarried and was buried still wearing her wedding ring
+
+What a fucking tragedy honestly
+--- 58059216
+Forgotten soldiers mogs the pacific and band of brothers so fucnin hard when it comes to proper frictions of combat. BoB and Pacific are entertaining hit are largely Jewish goyslop
+--- 58059342
+I don't like The Pacific
+--- 58062042
+Kek
+--- 58062189
+>>58027919
+>>58028698
+Fun fact. Liebgott wasn’t even Jewish. Everyone in East thought he was due to his name and how he spoke a funny dialect of German.
+> Liebgott was born in 1915 in Lansing, Michigan, the oldest of six children. His parents, Joseph Sr. and Mary, were immigrants from Austria. Joseph Sr. was Catholic, and raised the children as Roman Catholic and attended in Catholic school. He grew up in Oakland, California. He finished 2 years of high school and worked a variety of jobs, mostly helping his father in their barbershop. He listed his occupation as "cook" in his enlistment records.
+> After the series aired, his children made contact with Bill Guarnere and the rest of Easy Company, attending a reunion in Phoenix in 2002. There they revealed that their father had raised them Catholic. Moreover, they reported that, unlike the memory of their father given in the book and series, Liebgott had never hacked a cab in San Francisco, and did not go back there after the war.
+> Instead they said their father had gone missing after the war, and remained missing for three years, never even telling his parents where he went or that he had even come back. His family believes that he suffered, like many veterans, from PTSD (post-traumatic stress syndrome), and decided to "bum it" for a while, dropping out of society.
+>He turned up in California's Great Valley, got married, and raised a large family. He worked as a barber until his death. He never told his 8 children about being in the war. They only found out after the book and series made him known. Digging through his things in the attic, they discovered the 506th regimental scrapbook, and his jumpwings.
+> While Liebgott is said to be Jewish in both the book and the miniseries, there has been much confusion over this point now that his family has been found and contacted. They were raised Catholic, were told their father had been, and his dogtags were stamped Catholic 
+Seems Ambrose didn’t do enough research
+--- 58062928
+>>58028385
+Sh-shut up!
+--- 58062953
+>>58028588
+One of the most soulless, beady-eyed, bloodthirst men in England, which is saying something.
+--- 58062998
+>>58062953
+He gave Germany a taste of its own medicine. Cry more. Maybe the Germans should have thought about the consequences of indiscrimate bombing.
+--- 58063084
+>>58028062
+No shit? About fucking time, it took them 9 years.
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhmFFtjB2qY&t=51s&ab_channel=RottenTomatoesTrailers [Embed]
+--- 58063099
+>>58028269
+Lol, nice fan fic Germshit. In face Battle of the Bulge has already been lost by 26th of December, and Germshits were on the defensive from that point onward.
+--- 58063136
+>>58063099
+In fact*
+--- 58063244
+>>58030491
+They actually said that about Hamburg raid in 1943, which was much more devastating and destructive. It killed almost 50 thousand people, while Dresden raid only killed 22 thousand.
+--- 58063279
+>>58041065
+>had already been fighting a brutal war of annihilation in China
+
+Slaughtering a bunch of Chinese peasants and facing a powerful western army are two different things.
+--- 58063332
+>>58055826
+>The Emperor in August
+
+Kek, I remember translating the Japanese reviews about it on Amazon, and it was just waves upon waves of seething from a butthurt netuyo faggots who review bombed it into oblivion (They were especially butthurt about white guy having a relationship with a Japanese women pre-WW2).
+--- 58063407
+I actually enjoyed reading Eugene Sledge's book. Granted, take everything with a grain of salt but there's some shit in their you don't get in the series
+>Sledge and another Marine seeing the butchered corpses of two Marines, groins ripped out and shoved down their throat
+>Sledge sitting next to a Marine that was tossing coral pebbles into an open skull of a Japanese soldier's corpse, the rainwater plinking everytime he landed a pebble
+>the series doesn't include the part where Sledge himself was about to pluck gold teeth from a corpse with his kabar but was stopped by a navy corpsman (couldn't even appeal to Sledge's moral, had to warn him about getting germs to get him to stop)
+--- 58063463
+anyone want a cigarette?
+--- 58063496
+>>58028385
+You lost
+--- 58063511
+>>58063407
+>>Sledge sitting next to a Marine that was tossing coral pebbles into an open skull of a Japanese soldier's corpse, the rainwater plinking everytime he landed a pebble
+>>the series doesn't include the part where Sledge himself was about to pluck gold teeth from a corpse with his kabar but was stopped by a navy corpsman (couldn't even appeal to Sledge's moral, had to warn him about getting germs to get him to stop)
+
+is this some mutts only censorship? these scenes were both shot and were included in the DVD version I watched. 
+
+Rami Malick's character was the one throwing pepples and stopping Sledge from cutting out gold teeth
+--- 58063569
+>>58063407
+Pretty sure all of these were scenes in the series, but the two marines were tied to a tree.
+--- 58064073
+>>58062998
+No-one is saying the Germans are blameless. However Bomber Harris was so fucking disgusting the Angloid government tried to sanitise what he was doing and saying, the equivalent of defending the atomic bombing of Japan in order to prevent further death, only to have Harris say he didn't really care about a means to an end, he just wanted to bomb people into oblivion. I'll give him this; he was more honest than most Brits about their savage nature.
+--- 58064109
+>>58041108
+>you do better if you outnumber your enemy 3:1
+wow
+--- 58064112
+>>58062189
+Steven Spielberg could have done the research himself but I guess he blew it like they blew it with finding out what happened with Blithe before giving him an entire episode.
+Or maybe Spielberg was just being Spielberg and had to have a Jew in the script
+--- 58064123
+>>58064073
+
+They had it coming. Remember 
+
+>germans bombed Rotterdam before the RAF bombed germany 
+>the germans bombed London before the RAF bombed Berlin 
+>the germans firebombed Coventry before the RAF even started firebombing 
+
+Harris just gave Germans the totaler krieg they wanted.
+--- 58064146
+>>58064123
+None of that has anything to do with what I was saying. Tell you what though, go ahead and point out where I said Britain SHOULDN'T have bombed Germany.
+--- 58064504
+Can’t we agree it was a tragedy. White people killing white people, it doesn’t get more sad than that.
+--- 58065740
+>>58064504
+My dog dying was pretty sad
+--- 58066028
+>>58063407
+bruh, literally every scene you described was in the series. granted the first one was seen by leckie instead of sledge, but still.
+did you even watch it?
+--- 58066040
+>>58063463
+sure, thank you friend
+--- 58066089
+>>58064146
+Stfu germ.
+--- 58066102
+>>58027783 (OP)
+>Says all this and the fresh recruits still end up killing 50 japs for every one of theirs 
+No matter how much jewwood tries, no one ever took the japs seriously and they could only win with surprise attacks
+--- 58066186
+>>58039782
+>and endure liminal spaces you couldn’t dream up in your worst nightmare
+kek
+--- 58066221
+>>58066102
+This is a very stupid post.
+--- 58066239
+>>58066221
+>NOOO re wery stronk wawwiors, my trad animu told me that!!
+--- 58066278
+>>58066239
+On Peluliu and Iwo Jima Japs were dangerous and formidable oponnents.
+--- 58066306
+>>58066278
+>Iwo Jima
+>Be incredibly entrenched with sizable food stores and entrenchments immune to massive artillery volleys 
+>Still lose over two japs for every American 
+None of that screams "dangerous and formidable" but horribly below average for anyone in the Axis but the Italians
+--- 58066779
+>>58063279
+>Slaughtering a bunch of Chinese peasants and facing a powerful western army are two different things.
+Reminds me of a passage from the novel Cryptonomicon. 
+
+>"Early returns suggest the Nipponese Army during its extended tour of East Asia, has lost its edge. It would appear that raping the entire female population of Nanjing and bayoneting helpless Filipino villagers does not translate into actual military competence. The Nipponese Army is still trying to work out some way to kill saaay, 100 American Marines, without saaay, losing 500 of its own soldiers. 
+
+Novel also had the best weeb jarhead ever (pic related).
+--- 58066865
+>>58027919
+can't sue for defamation of a dead person.
+--- 58066984
+>i need muh over-dramatized hollywood goyslop to learn history
+read a book you imbeciles
+--- 58067092
+>>58059216
+The Unknown Soldier *
+--- 58067117
+>>58066984
+>Stupid NPC's watching over-dramatized Hollywood Marvel WW2 slop
+>Now time for me to continue the 500th German General self felating book that pins all the blame on Hitler
+--- 58067502
+>>58065740
+I’m sorry for your loss anon :(
+--- 58067727
+>>58047775
+Planefag, I know that's you.
+--- 58069541
+>>58030435
+>you *try to* commit suicide in the 60s.
+Dude couldn't even kill himself and you expect me to believe he could efficiently kill Germs? BOB might have gone a bit far smearing Sobel and Ambrose is a fucking dilettante, but he most likely was dogshit at land-nav and the non-coms did mutiny to avoid being led by him in battle.
+--- 58069630
+>>58063407
+>Sledge himself was about to pluck gold teeth from a corpse 
+This scene is in the miniseries, but depicts SNAFU telling him not to do it instead of the corpsman.
+--- 58069769
+>>58040894
+Ahem.
+--- 58070052
+>Plink a Chink…. So that’s what the enemy is to you, huh? A fuckin’ slant-eyed cartoon dreamed up by some assholes on 4Chan to make memes?
+
+>Well let me tell you something: the Chink I know, the Chinese worker, he has been at the sweat shop since you were in FUCKIN’ DIAPERS! He’s a child laborer, an expert with his sewing machine. He can live off of chow mein noodles and wonton soup and endure workplace environments you couldn’t dream up in your worst nightmare! The Chinese worker doesn’t care if he gets hurt or killed, as long as he maintains his social credit score.
+
+>Now you can call them whatever you want, but never, ever, fail to respect their desire to put you and your buddies into a pair of Nikes, IS THAT CLEAR?!
+--- 58070070
+>>58027783 (OP)
+>He can live off of maggoty rice and muddy water and endure misery you couldn’t dream up in your worst nightmare!
+This is convenient for logistics pogs but actually makes you worse at fighting
+--- 58070694
+>>58027783 (OP)
+I rmemeber hating The Pacific when I was younger. Rewatched it a decade or so later and it fucking blows away the much more schmaltzy Band of Brothers.
+--- 58070851
+>>58028385
+Lots of tranny seethe at this post. Good work.
+--- 58070883
+>>58028385
+Harris should've bombed your asses even harder
+--- 58070952
+>>58047106
+>Japanese perspective
+
+Fires on the Plain (the 1959 version)
+
+https://youtu.be/I0wv79C0zqc [Embed]

k/58029302.txt

@@ -459,3 +459,86 @@ I didn't have to pay that much to get a couple knives into the US. What country
 --- 58058780
 >>58029302 (OP)
 Can anyone vouch for the quality of Muela knifes?
+--- 58059298
+>>58057804
+There are a shitload of random small smiths in Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary, etc. Cold Steel is bad because they're knife-fags making swords, and swords are not actually just large knives. 
+
+Anyway, what do you want? You can buy an antique, you can spend 2000 dollars on a high quality replica, you can spend a grand on a less high quality but still good replica, etc.
+--- 58059768
+Why don't we commonly see titanium alloys used in blades? Titanium oxide is nondestructive and protects the inner material with its thin reacted layer. It's also quite strong and light. The biggest drawback must be the cost, but I'm sure people would be willing to pay - the military would shell out for it anyway, no?
+--- 58059948
+>>58057804
+It depends on your budget. 
+You want a really nice sword that you know is made with quality material then pay a blade smith to make one.
+--- 58060795
+>>58057804
+85% of all the swords today come from longquan China and you will get exactly as much as you pay for. $100 sword=shitty sword 600$ excellent sword.
+Cold Steel swords are generally regarded as sword-like object (SLOs) and are little better than wall hangers/backyard beaters.. generally overpriced as well.
+start with the bespoke resellers like ryansword, hanbon forge, swords of northshire etc, if you want a Chinese style sword from a name maker look at lkchensword.com
+--- 58060849
+>>58059768
+it's a bad blade material, a good handle material, and a mediocre coating material. go look around for titanium coated knives, it's actually quite common on cheapo knives from Camillus etc., at the end of the day it gets scratched off pretty easily while looking shittier than other finishes. maybe there is a way to do it better, but i would think someone would figure that out by now.
+--- 58061479
+>>58060795
+>85% of all the swords today come from longquan China and you will get exactly as much as you pay for. $100 sword=shitty sword 600$ excellent sword.
+This, kinda. However this depends on brand swords vs alibaba/amazon no names. With nob brand chinese a 100$ blade can be the exact same as a 600$. That said basically all of the non monotemper blades from china are bad. Also even previously trustworthy resellers now stock some really shit chinese non brand and brand swords.
+--- 58061637
+>>58059768
+The military doesn’t use knives much theydon’t need some expensive shit to open mre’s and cut some paracord.
+--- 58064589
+>>58061479
+All of the major sword brands in longquan have perfectly fine differentially hardened blades. Zsey, jkoo, skyjiro, etc. No reason to buy from resellers.
+--- 58064903
+fyi, boker.de is once again selling some bladehq exclusive variants of the Kalashnikov and Strike autos
+--- 58065828
+>>58055942
+Mora makes wooden handle/classic pukkos too
+--- 58065898
+>>58056938
+The black one is made for cutting thru a jet fighter/aircraft's canopy from the inside. Hence the Aviatior name. The yellow one is designed to open European wall hydrants valves. Both are over-designed and overpriced answers to questions nobody asked
+--- 58067543
+Bomp
+--- 58068025
+WTF happened to Condor Knife & Tool. I used to love them. Now they are overpriced and wonky design decisions. Why Joe Flowers, why?
+--- 58068254
+>>58043424
+Shit taste, empty shopping cart and try again.
+>protip: just get the long cold steel tanto but in silvery steel not black
+
+V3, M390 & Magnacut are materials you're going to want in some of your best blades.
+--- 58068276
+I have a knife.
+--- 58068311
+>>58068254
+u r retarded
+--- 58068318
+>>58048980
+As the owner of a pair of those along with a shorter & older Ka-bar, I urge you to buy one of any sort today (and am glad you've chosen the smexy 1266, of which I own two). I've abused my older Ka-bar, and it screams for more. It has literally served as my only can opener for years a few years back; that CroVan Ka-bar steel slices through tin like cheese.
+--- 58068588
+>>58068254
+>Shit taste, empty shopping cart and try again
+Too late; ordered picrel. I passed on the expensive 1095 blades I was considering, though.
+--- 58068815
+>>58068588
+>ordered picrel
+No you didn't. Show receipt
+--- 58068827
+>>58068815
+Why not?
+--- 58068840
+>>58068827
+try harder
+--- 58068905
+>>58068827
+Didn't mean to post a pic with that; completely irrelevant.
+
+>>58068815
+>ordered picrel
+>No you didn't.
+Why do you say that?
+--- 58069007
+>>58068905
+show receipt
+--- 58069588
+>>58069007
+I don't need to

k/58031123.txt

@@ -1000,3 +1000,295 @@ An updated Yonkers where the military gets overwhelmed by sheer numbers and pani
 --- 58058835
 >>58058807
 You'd need like a billion undead. We're very good at digging holes and destroying defenseless packed together meat.
+--- 58058940
+>>58058835
+One of the reasonable issues brought up in the book is that nobody'd figured out the logistics of what it would actually take to fight that many undead. I'm fine with that as it's meant to show how unprepared the military was to fight this kind of enemy since only catastrophic damage to the brain stops them and they're very resistant to explosive overpressure.
+
+Here's the specific chapter that depicts the Battle of Yonkers if any anon wants to try their hand at making it more believable. I'm curious how some of the more creative anons would present it.
+https://worldwarz.fandom.com/wiki/Todd_Wainio%27s_1st_Interview
+--- 58058947
+>>58058940
+the army is sitting on massive stockpiles of ammo
+--- 58059023
+>>58058940
+>I'm curious how some of the more creative anons would present it.
+I'm a former 13J (rocket not cannon) so I know all about US MLRS munitions. The passage states the following
+>I’d say there were maybe thirty, maybe forty or fifty, zombies spread out all across this half mile stretch of freeway. The opening bombardment took out at least three-quarters of them.
+An MLRS battery should have 6-8 M270 MLRS. Your M270 MLRS can carry 2 M39 ATACMS Block I missiles. Each M39 shits out 950 M74 APAM bomblets. Each M74 has a 15 meter kill radius. Assume a singular full strength M270 battery has deployed, and is firing at once. Let's do the math. 8 M270 x 2 M39 x 950 M74 APAMs = 15,200 M74s dropped on the field. Area is pi x radius squared. Area of a single M74 would be 706.5 meters squared. So total that's an area of 10,738,800 meters squared, or about 2,654 acres. The area of Yonkers itself is 12,970 acres. A single salvo from a single battery could kill any zombie in a fifth of the entire city. A battalion has 2 batteries, so lets double those numbers and say it could wipe 5,308 acres at once, or almost half the city at once. And the author said that would at most kill under 40 zombies. I know it's autistic as hell but I think it's amusing.
+--- 58059048
+God, I miss the old /k/ reads threads.
+Lo Pan truly did explain everything.
+--- 58059179
+>>58058940
+The problem with Yonkers is that it's just a very dumb concept as presented (infection starts in one place, the zombies are all slow shamblers that can only infect through bites, and the army has plenty of time to set up a defensive line with heavy weapons). You'd have to change to something else like the Army getting swamped trying to deal with waves of infected refugees turning behind their lines while having to deal with major outbreaks popping up everywhere and the whole thing happening a lot faster than what's presented in the story.
+--- 58059205
+>>58059023
+>>58058947
+One of the issues with the account is that he never actually says how big the military force was, so we have no idea how many tanks, MLRS, Paladins, etc there actually were. What we do see is the artillery and MLRS fire becoming less effective against the increasingly-dense hordes before running out with a miles-long stream of zombies still coming.
+If I'm rewriting it, I'm emphasizing that the military response at Yonkers is a clusterfuck of whatever military units were available in the immediate area. Supply lines are fucked due to the country being three months into the Great Panic, with manpower severely limited and the highways clogged with people trying to flee the cities. Some journo just leaked that the zombie vax is a placebo and the government wants a win right now.
+Have Yonkers be a half-cocked propaganda operation that suffers from a fatal dose of assumptions. The military assumes that rockets and artillery will be effective, which they aren't due to zombie biology. The command assumes that they'll be working with proper logistical support, which they won't because the supply lines are absolutely fucked. Everyone assumes the soldiers loaded down in MOPP gear will be perfect marksmen and kill every zombie with one shot, which they won't because MOPP gear reduces effectiveness and zombies are scary as fuck. I'd then finish it off by having all the shooting draw zombies in from other areas aside from Manhattan. Maybe make the battle last a day and night with the situation becoming more and more fucked as swarms are drawn in from Connecticut to the east. Have zombies cross the river from New Jersey to the west as well, since zombies have no issues crossing water. Really play up the numbers for the best effect.
+
+But then again, it's 2:30AM and I could be full of shit. I'd like to hear other ideas about how to make Yonkers more interesting/believable.
+--- 58059268
+>>58059179
+The author mentions slow-burning infections being an issue, so it is a bit surprising that he didn't use that with the refugees that passed through the lines ahead of the horde. I'd also agree that having the zombies all coming from the same direction is a bit odd since the whole zombie pandemic had been going for months at that point. I'd expect more of them to be spread out throughout the area, potentially streaming in from all sides as they're drawn in by all the noise.
+--- 58059472
+>>58031123 (OP)
+Some good basic survival tips which are unfortunately offset by badly researched/impractical bullshit. No, a monk's spade won't 'decapitate' a zombie with a thrust because neither blade is sharpened, nor intended to be. No, the M16 isn't the worst assault rifle designed, not even during the days of the Vietnam War.
+--- 58059515
+>>58037919
+>noswords
+I'm re-reading the Guide right now and it rates swords very highly, especially katanas. Of course, given that distance is the most important factor, a spear or some other pointed polearm would obviously be superior assuming you HAD to fight one in melee (which Brooks advises against, to his credit because CQC against zombies is retarded in general). Even if your aim isn't good enough to nail one in the head, shoving it away from several feet is already a huge advantage.
+--- 58059571
+>>58040516
+>>58035163
+I think a better explanation/theory behind the zombie craze in the 00s and 10s is economic rather than political. The Great Recession hit during that time, which effectively ended the hopes and dreams of a lot of disenfranchised and frustrated people. Thus, the zombie apocalypse could be seen not as a reflection of contemporary enemies, but a deeper existential fear of becoming as a hopeless, stagnant rotting mass, aimlessly shambling in a mockery of life within the meaningless ruins of society. In that context, the survivor-heroes are thus the embodiment of the hopes of rising past that living death to regain identity, purpose and agency in the world.
+--- 58059649
+>>58059205
+The thing is that even if you gave a plausible justification to the failure of Yonkers, the fact remains that untold thousands of zombies (perhaps up to or even over a million) would still be destroyed by such a massive effort. The real fallout would be, as Brooks points out, political and mental, similar to how the Tet Offensive was a driving factor in retreat from the Vietnam War despite technically being a massive defeat for North Vietnam. Such a high-profile failure to decisively halt the zombie apocalypse would naturally lead to decreased federal authority, giving rise to factionalist or even secessionist movements as powerful figures begin to split over how to save the US.
+--- 58059695
+>>58058940
+They bombed the front 10% of a line they knew the size of and reacted with surprise when the zombies they didn't bomb, didn't die. 
+There's "We didn't bring enough ammo" and there's "we didn't even bring enough bombs to cover the area we intended to bomb, by an order of magnitude"
+
+It's beyond absurd, it's literally 2+2=1 logic.
+--- 58060854
+>>58059048
+>Lo Pan truly did explain everything.
+Explain what Lo Pan explained that applies to /k/
+--- 58060975
+>>58036100
+Ok so why don't zombies starve to death? Surely after a while zombies begin to decompose and die of starvation if they can't find enough humans to eat. Zombie stuff is so pants on head retarded, it's one level above the bottom of the barrel (capeshit).
+--- 58061177
+>>58059023
+max brooks was a retarded nigger when it came to simple small arms trivia, why would you expect him to know literally anything about something as niche as that
+--- 58061194
+>>58060854
+how new are you
+--- 58061237
+>>58061194
+hi newfag!
+--- 58061259
+>>58061237
+>n-no u!
+ok buddy
+--- 58061277
+>>58033245
+yeah anon, hand over the do/k/s.
+--- 58061287
+>>58059571
+Damn I know that feel. That recession was a motherfucker. It destroyed my dad's small business and he never really recovered.
+--- 58061300
+>>58033069
+Stop injecting politics into everything you sad mindbroken shitbag
+--- 58061585
+>>58059205
+The real way to write it is to emphasize the endless nature of the horde. The way I’d write it is along the lines of “In normal conditions, we’d have Anouilh supplies for a month of continuous combat. With all the shit going down, we had enough for a week. Unfortunately, it’s day seventeen.”
+
+The thing that really pisses me off is that in this age where information is fucking everything, they didn’t even bother commandeering some middle-class fuck’s Cessna to provide some sort of aerial reconnaissance beforehand. If they did, then they wouldn’t bother wasting ammo on the frontlines.
+--- 58062082
+>>58033245
+>>58061277
+https://web.archive.org/web/20170114070637/https://murdercube.com/files/
+--- 58063209
+>>58031123 (OP)
+The Zombie Survival Guide unironically 'Red Pilled' me. Reading this book was the first time I realized that at the end of the day all we can really rely on is self-sufficiency, and how much contempt most people have for self-sufficiency.
+--- 58064370
+>>58059268
+There's a single incident of previously trapped zombies behind the lines ambushing a single soldier who then livestreams his helmet cam of getting devoured to the entire unit (not how that would've worked, especially in the late 2000s), but it never seems be anything more than that single isolated incident. Really, there's no reason the military shouldn't have continually bombed the horde after the battle when it's so slow moving and exposed (before I guess you could've argued they didn't want to destroy Manhattan in the process) because it seems like they just throw a few bombs at the first few thousand zombies and then throw up their hands and do nothing while the horde slowly consumes the rest of the East Coast.
+--- 58065041
+>>58058807
+>>58058835
+They should have had problems with refugees being mixed in with the zombies and refusals to launch strikes, there should have been high as fuck desertion rates, and there should have been way too many zeds (which there were)
+--- 58065213
+>>58060854
+The conclusion the threads came to was that Lo Pan's magic was responsible for all the ridiculousness, absurd absences of physics, and general army fuckups. I can't for the life of me remember how it actually came up in the first place (wasn't there a bit in World War Z about ancient chinese zombies?) but it was a good running gag.
+Victoria was the really fun readalong though, what a hilarious trainwreck it was.
+--- 58065532
+>>58042656
+Maybe that's why the zombies end up looking so gaunt and shrunken, their metabolism is jacked up and all excess fat is burned away to preserve vital organs. Non-fatal wounds clot up, but there's no need to fully heal & close up the wound since the T-Virus acts as a supercharged immune system killing off other bacteria/viruses.
+--- 58065563
+So, how much intelligence does a zombie have? They have some intelligence, enough to seek out and consume brain matter. Is that something inherent to them, like a fragment of a soul? Or is it an evil curse type of thing and the individual zombie has no intelligence whatsoever and is just a puppet?
+--- 58065681
+>>58065563
+>So, how much intelligence does a zombie have?
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnyNrRXaezQ [Embed]
+--- 58065744
+>>58035175
+I vaguely remember that the level of retard that the author depicted included the army fielding electronic warfare gear and anti-aircraft missiles against the zombie hordes. I think that the operators just sat there and got eaten.
+--- 58065775
+>>58065563
+In the book it's stated that they're "somewhere below that of an insect" and that they can't solve mazes or do anything other than shamble forward, moan, and bite.
+--- 58065811
+>>58065563
+in Romeros movies they would occasionally do things like pick up a rock to use it to break a window, also
+>I once saw one of those things sitting behind the wheel of a car in D.C. trying to drive down Independence Avenue.
+--- 58066475
+>>58054791
+It doesn't explain the strength or endurance they have. Plus the fact that they don't consume any food would result in very lethargic zombies even if it takes years to decompose. Plus the first thing to go would be their legs as it is the most frequently used muscle group. They're not driving car or flying planes and the like.
+--- 58066719
+>>58066475
+They explain the strength by saying that zombie bodies simply don't have any of the self regulation that humans use to avoid damaging their bodies. So a zombie will start out super strong but they'll quickly destroy their muscle fibers and tendons and shit and eventually become much weaker.
+
+As for the food part, the book straight up says that solanum allows them to violate the laws of physics and have infinite energy. There's one story where they have a zombie head in a jar of preservatives that had been moving and biting at people for hundreds of years.
+--- 58066910
+>>58066719
+I do appreciate that the explanation for how the zombies get their energy is "It's a mystery to everyone" instead of trying to justify it somehow. What does make me laugh a little bit is that he named it Solanum, which is also a plant genus that includes eggplants, tomatoes, and potatoes.
+--- 58066997
+>>58036699
+cry moar
+--- 58067001
+>>58066719
+>They explain the strength by saying that zombie bodies simply don't have any of the self regulation that humans use to avoid damaging their bodies. So a zombie will start out super strong but they'll quickly destroy their muscle fibers and tendons and shit and eventually become much weaker
+If not for the Magic of the Virus, the zombie would have no usable muscle left in a matter of days.
+--- 58067014
+>>58036615
+holy shit you sound insufferable lol
+--- 58067108
+>>58066719
+This comes off as a kid just pulling shit out of his ass at this point. Necroscope made sense since it was dealing with supernatural elements including fucking vampirism.
+--- 58067389
+>>58067001
+I think the super strength only comes into play when they're doing something other than shambling and moaning (eg, tearing off a barricade, attacking a human)
+--- 58067414
+>>58044517
+perfect <3
+--- 58067448
+>>58067389
+Let me put it to you this way, if not for the magic of the virus, their legs would weaken constantly, and they wouldn't be able to walk inside a week.
+--- 58068451
+>>58047792
+No More Room In Hell is basically Left 4 Dead if it was a Romero licensed game. You have your classic shamblers, swift runners, and even child zombies (as per Dawn of the Dead), only headshots are lethal, ammo is scarce, and one bite WILL kill and turn you. The cherry on top is a sequel in the works.
+--- 58068464
+>>58068451
+>only headshots are lethal
+it was possible to kill zombies with body shots, but it usually took a whole magazine to do so, which was impractical when you only had 1 magazine to use
+
+>The cherry on top is a sequel in the works.
+good to know it isnt abandoned
+used to play the crap out of that until it just fell off, like 30 players in the entire game on a good night
+--- 58068591
+>>58068464
+Yeah, it's a bit sad how far the player-base declined considering all the accolades and press it got. I hear the devs have shifted to using Unreal Engine 5 for the second game, which is a nice upgrade.
+--- 58068609
+>>58065811
+They end up doing a whole lot more in Day of the Living Dead and Land of the Dead. It's heavily implied that given enough time, Romero zombies will regain some of their humanity and memories, though still possess their feral urges.
+--- 58068617
+>>58036615
+based lmao
+--- 58068640
+>>58068609
+one thing about the romero movies that hasnt caught on in future movies is that theres a bit of an "i am legend" theme of zombies slowly replacing humans as the dominant species
+
+so by the time of day of the dead, zombies are capable of dog-like intelligence if properly trained
+and by land of the dead, zombies are capable of problem-solving and group cohesion
+--- 58068654
+>>58036615
+Surely you also remember the historical section praising the Roman Empire's effective response to zombies and implication that the Hadrian Wall was a defence against the undead? Unfortunately, Brooks' scholarship also falls short here because the Romans were pretty superstitious in their own right, not hyper-rational as he depicts them.
+--- 58068695
+>>58068640
+To my knowledge, the only other zombie work that takes this philosophical approach to humanity's demise is the manga series I Am A Hero, where the zombie apocalypse may have been engineered by aliens to terraform the world for their takeover.
+--- 58068708
+>>58035207
+I know you're a noguns child, but ~12 years ago a basic bitch ar15 was 1000+ dollars and an AK was ~400, sks was 200, mosin was 125. And a spam can of was half the price of 1000 rounds of 556.
+--- 58068711
+>>58065041
+>refugees being mixed in with the zombies
+Lol you didn’t even read the book
+--- 58068766
+>>58035081
+This book started me down the path of getting my house raided by the police lmao
+--- 58068788
+>>58068711
+it's been over 10 years since I've read it, give me the Yonkers chapter page talking about refugees
+--- 58068833
+>>58057288
+checked and you forgot
+>civil war uniforms brought back with wooden m16's 
+>downed pilot hallucinates(?) a radio operator who saves her life 
+>government confiscates everyone's cars for scrap metal 
+>snake oil vaccine salesman hiding in Antarctica 
+>>>58068788
+check. You/him might be confused with the chapter where they nerve gas the refugees to see who's infected, because the zombies still revive (somehow). 
+
+AFAIK there were no refugee hesitation moments during the Yonkers battle, they just rand out of ammo, panicked, and ran away. Makes sense if you consider the average infantryman carries only 200-300 rounds, and will headshot a zombie in like 5 rounds or so, so each dude can only pop 40-60 zombies max before running dry, freaking out, and running away.
+--- 58068922
+>>58068833
+I wonder if there's a calculable ratio of bullets to zombies for cleanup/defensive operations. Given the discrepancy between the theoretical optimum of one headshot per bullet and the reality of accuracy rates in combat, there should be one based on the average amount of ammo an infantryman requires to kill/disable one zombie.
+--- 58068925
+>>58057288
+>>58068833
+Brooks is pretty good at the little slice of life vignettes, those are what make the book worth reading. When he tries to go big picture it's just a reminder of why most zombie fiction skips over the collapse of society.
+>AFAIK there were no refugee hesitation moments during the Yonkers battle, they just rand out of ammo, panicked, and ran away. 
+There's one case of an infected family turning and ripping apart one unlucky soldier in the rear lines which then causes mass panic because his helmet cam livestreams his demise for everyone to see.
+>Makes sense if you consider the average infantryman carries only 200-300 rounds, and will headshot a zombie in like 5 rounds or so, so each dude can only pop 40-60 zombies max before running dry, freaking out, and running away.
+It'd make sense if Yonkers was an ad hoc task force of the first soldiers to respond to all of New York turning into zombies and they're desperately trying to hold the line with little more than small arms and light vehicles. Not when they've had literal months to prepare for a big setpiece battle and inexplicably don't bring enough ammo.
+--- 58068980
+>>58068925
+That's why the collapse of the US military in Romero's films and The Walking Dead makes more sense, because a scenario where every person is a potential zombie would naturally stretch even their logistics and supplies to the limit. The only hope of shifting the balance of attrition in their favour would be to introduce draconian measures to mitigate the undeath-rate, such as ankle-monitors measuring heart-rate, prohibition of weapons and dangerous substances (e.g. drugs), mandatory cremation of dead, and 'childbirth incentives'. As a matter of fact, I'm surprised there aren't more works dealing with the dystopia that would naturally result if humanity WON against the zombies.
+--- 58069038
+>>58068833
+Genuinely makes me wonder if our new military rifle would be up to the task for taking on a zombie apocalypse. The increased power and range would definitely be an advantage, but the prospect of less shots overall is disturbing.
+--- 58069077
+>>58068980
+one of the better parts of WWZ is everyone talking about the aftermath of the war
+
+>logistical guy in charge of making sure the safe zones were well-fed and supplied who complained about how even a can of rootbeer requires inhumanly large global supply chain ends his story pulling out some rootbeer to share with the interviewer
+>guy who sold phalanx as a fake-cure and hid in antarctica is mentioned as having his lease on the Antarctic base ending and in real danger of being extradited to the US
+>south african consultant who has been friendly and warm is revealed to have been redecker, the infamously cold and calculating mind behind the redecker zone recovering from a mental breakdown
+--- 58069155
+>>58056271
+It says in the book: best zombie killer is .30 carbine.
+--- 58069388
+>>58035082
+I'm more than sure it's video games that wad the cataclyst for the zombie boon
+>7th gen consoles just came out
+>systems powerful enough to be able to render large hordes of zombies unlike anything we've seen before
+>zombie games before like Resident Evil could only render a handful of zombies at a time
+>now we can play with a Romeo style zombies, dense crowds with multiple unique zombie models
+Dead Rising, L4D, COD Zombies
+>now with the 7th gen a introduction of a much better multiplayer system
+
+It was like a perfect storm
+--- 58069483
+>>58069388
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgaGAUhALf8&t=552 [Embed]
+--- 58069598
+>>58031123 (OP)
+>What are you guys prepping? What are your survival plans?
+Watching Woodcraft and maybe even the Cooking show.
+--- 58069678
+>>58069483
+Yeah dude, that scene from Day of the Dead where the big platform lowers basically shows the perfect zombie horde, and how what a zombie is wearing can show a small slice of the zombie's pervious life
+>the clown zombie
+>the bride wedding dress zombie
+Kino
+--- 58069768
+>>58069678
+I love how they all politely waited for the lift to descend all the way to the floor before stepping off. Old habits die hard, I suppose.
+--- 58069905
+>>58069768
+100% practical effects, too expensive to drop extras down the elevator shaft
+--- 58069991
+>>58069768
+dawn of the dead did explain that they still keep some memories of their former lives, which is why they flocked to the mall
+they probably remembered somewhere deep down to wait for the elevator to stop before stepping off
+--- 58069992
+>>58068833
+>Makes sense if you consider the average infantryman carries only 200-300 rounds,
+Infantry generally have to walk long distance to engage an enemy, this was a shooting gallery. They could have just had entire shipping containers full of fresh mags. 
+
+Never try to make sense of Yonkers.
+--- 58070188
+>>58068451
+contagion is worth playing since its like 4 bucks on g2a
+--- 58070250
+>The comfiest thread in ages hit the bump limit and now stands at the end of it's life.
+
+It's not fair, bros. I don't want it to end yet.
+--- 58070323
+>>58070250
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxlH3_kecQ4 [Embed]
+--- 58070389
+>>58070250
+Make a new thread :)

k/58033080.txt

@@ -913,3 +913,156 @@ Might run into some trouble with the recoil spring rate there.
 --- 58058768
 >>58058763
 I hadn't thought of that.
+--- 58059681
+>>58033080 (OP)
+bump
+--- 58059722
+>>58058539
+I am extremely tempted to start a side hustle loading ammo.
+--- 58059754
+>>58059722
+If I had a lathe, I'd just turn custom bullets. Orders of one hundred or so at a time. Avoid so much nasty paperwork if I'm just selling plastic pellets. What people do with them isn't my problem. It would be fun to develop a library of calibers & designs, find a couple that behave highly optimal for their intended purpose, then move on to manufacturing the top dozen or so and scale up as fast as I can re-invest. If other people want to reload functioning rounds and resell them, that is their business and product line.
+--- 58059795
+>>58059722
+It's spooky imo because if you fuck up once then someone else gets hurt and possibly dies
+--- 58059834
+>>58059795
+That's why I'd do it on the side. So I could take my time and make sure it worked properly.
+--- 58060185
+>>58033080 (OP)
+Somewhat off topic but I wonder if you could crack a steel plate with a plastic round moving at Mach 4+.
+--- 58063568
+>>58046027
+Look up the slapshot 12ga slug.
+--- 58064303
+>>58060185
+can you get a plastic bullet moving at mach 4 without it melting due to heat & friction or disintegrating?
+--- 58064511
+>>58060185
+Almost certainly no.
+
+>>58064303
+Assume it just pops into existence doing 4500ft/s.
+--- 58065328
+>>58033080 (OP)
+I never heard of this ammo before, great video anon! Does it act similarly to the german plastic 7.62 NATO rounds? Like how they have crazy high fps but not much recoil
+--- 58065572
+>>58033080 (OP)
+You've beeen.... thunderzapped.
+--- 58065975
+>>58065328
+I'll be honest, I didn't notice the recoil at all. I was worried about hitting the target and hoping the gun doesn't explode.
+>>58064303
+A levergun would probably get it into the high 3000's.
+>>58065572
+That should have been the catchphrase
+--- 58066888
+>>58064511
+>Almost certainly no.
+It might not be as absurd as it sounds, small lead bullets will punch 1/4 inch steel at Mach 3, and if I recall Teflon and Lead have similar hardness. Obviously mass plays a role, though velocity does as well.
+--- 58066938
+>>58033080 (OP)
+>no ballistics gel
+>can afford snowflake 1980s ammo
+>can afford a boomer taxed single action revolver thats blued
+>can afford a chrono
+>can afford
+>can afford a shit cellphone
+>can afford adobe after effects to put a shitty flag over your face
+>can afford to waste perfectly good watermelons that dindu nuffin
+>cant afford some jello
+2/10
+waste of 1980s ammo
+--- 58066990
+>>58066938
+Git, /k/ is a ribs supremacy board.
+--- 58067047
+>>58033196
+>a rifle would be insane
+naw
+typically 357 reaches 85% of its velocity potential with a 7.5 barrel (depending on the powder)
+with a normal 125 @ 1400 gets up to 1700 with 7.5 and from a revolver to a closed chamber (which i dont know if you can do with a thor thunderzap) you get about 2000 with most powders while some powders just give you lower velocities across the board past 4 inches and only give you 1700fps from a lever action
+--- 58067083
+>>58058503
+Deckards blaster was a giant full size service revolver though, not a saturday night special
+the real bladerunner choice is a super GP100
+--- 58067112
+>>58038818
+>kevlar
+what about the stuff they use in air fuselages like NOMEX?
+--- 58067213
+>>58066938
+nigs leave.
+--- 58067230
+>>58066888
+All it would take is to put a small penetrator in the middle of the round. Then you've got some serious AP rounds.
+>>58066938
+I got the revolver for $400 at a gunshow, my chrono was the cheapest one I could find, my cellphone is a cracked S9 that I got when it was a year or so old, I'm using pirated editing software on my phone, and the food was expired. I'm working on a pretty tight budget.
+>>58067047
+I'd like to get a Thompson contender or something with a sealed chamber, but the best I can do is borrow my dad's 6" .357 revolver.
+--- 58067235
+>>58033080 (OP)
+>>58051054
+>>58040280
+Did you ever buy/see or hear about Ultrashock/Omnishocks?
+theyre an old school reverse hollow base wadcutter like the thunder zap, thats scored into 4 pieces and have a screw drilled into the center of them to try and force subsonic expansion
+--- 58067259
+>>58066938
+anon adobe is literally free if you have half a brain
+--- 58067265
+>>58067235
+I've never heard of them but I'll look into it
+--- 58067794
+>>58065328
+
+Supposedly much better performance since the rounds are more than three times heavier and designed to dump that energy fast. The blue DAG rounds aren't killing anyone like zaps have allegedly done.
+--- 58068516
+>>58033607
+>>58036963
+dont lie to me this is filled with cum
+--- 58069973
+>>58067230
+>I got the revolver for $400 at a gunshow, my chrono was the cheapest one I could find, my cellphone is a cracked S9 that I got when it was a year or so old, I'm using pirated editing software on my phone, and the food was expired. I'm working on a pretty tight budget.
+I hear that anon. Keep up the good work. >>58059754
+>>58058663
+>>58058505
+>>58058450
+I wonder how 7.62x39 would perform for shits and giggles.
+--- 58070003
+>>58067047
+Dont extremely light rounds tend to do better with longer barrels though?
+--- 58070156
+>>58069973
+>I wonder how 7.62x39 would perform for shits and giggles.
+I bet you'd get to 4000FPS, and that the hollow-point design would be somewhat superfluous, as I suspect the round would shatter to a million pieces whether it was hollow, wadcutter, or spitzerized. 
+
+Probably something like this, I imagine. A ragged would almost as wide as it is deep, maybe five inches. 
+https://youtu.be/3HIxySpLYv4 [Embed]
+--- 58070258
+>>58069973
+Thanks anon, I love how supportive /k/ still is.
+If you want to design a 7.62mm thunderzap I'd be willing to get some made and test them
+>>58070156
+How fast do the czech trainer rounds go? Those are a similar concept
+--- 58070376
+>>58070156
+gottdamn.
+>>58070258
+I've been reading up on polymers for a project of my own so I have a few starting points. If I hash something out I'll post it here. What sort of tools do you have access to to make them on your end?
+--- 58070454
+>>58067230
+>and the food was expired. I'm working on a pretty tight budget.
+Knox gelatin is very very cheap. The biggest struggle would be finding a container to put it in. Also spray the mold before pouring gelatin or you will never get it out. If you have a chronograph, you can get FPS and if you have a bb gun, you can get the FPS from that and also shoot it into the gelatin to get a penetration depth for IIRC better/more useful data for comparison to other gelatin tests. Otherwise you can just do it with a cheap ass BB gun and say the model as they're bretty close anyways. But damn are chronographs cheap these days.
+--- 58070632
+>>58070258
+
+Reading about 3200 fps for 46 grain Czech training rounds.
+--- 58070643
+>>58070632
+Bear in mind they're training rounds, nobody's loading them for effect on target.
+--- 58070653
+>>58058050
+Very cool
+Hope they get one.
+I hope you start making these. 
+I think they would be awesome in a 45-70

k/58033258.txt

@@ -525,3 +525,197 @@ man made horrors
 --- 58058498
 >>58033258 (OP)
 Nah, we’ll just set them on fire.
+--- 58059407
+>>58055882
+as long as its a hot robotess
+--- 58060681
+>>58050804
+Good
+--- 58061012
+>>58033258 (OP)
+It's still cheaper to mass produce humans than these things.
+--- 58061065
+>>58056012
+They'll still be fooled by shit like cardboard boxes.
+And if you program them to shoot cardboard boxes, easy way to make them completely waste all their ammo.
+There are so many ways to fuck with them they'd be completely pointless, they're only useful with a person controlling the fucking things making actual decisions.
+--- 58061071
+>>58033846
+--- 58061141
+>>58061065
+It has more ways to work around you than vice versa.
+--- 58061203
+>>58061065
+If machine learning keeps the pace up we'll have machines with more common sense than people in about a decade
+--- 58061232
+>>58061203
+If you're comparing them to the idiots of civilization they're already there. But if you're expecting something to function independently to do anything, probably not. Unless it's specifically shit like a manufacturing line.
+--- 58061280
+>>58061232
+I expect it to reach a point where some fag on a computer writes it orders like "take hill z at coordinates x'y" and it just executes
+--- 58061312
+>>58058498
+how?
+--- 58061359
+>>58033258 (OP)
+
+imagine these clearing a trench.
+--- 58061378
+>>58033258 (OP)
+How long do the batteries last?
+--- 58061450
+>>58061280
+What does it mean to take a hill for a machine? And once on that hill, how long does the battery last?
+If all it's doing is walking up a hill an enemy can simply hide behind a rock and do nothing. Then when a human walks up thinking its safe they can shoot them in the back.
+--- 58061460
+>>58061378
+Probably longer than the average wagnerite life expectancy at bakhmut
+--- 58061480
+>>58061359
+You could attach digger arms to them. There's so many possibilities.
+--- 58061515
+>>58061450
+Machines can already iterate and reason a decent amount on their own, a decade from now they will have all of the intuition and fast reflexes of a soldier on the battlefield. Then hook them up to all sorts of data streams coming from drones/satellites and each other, then they'll be much more aware than the average soldier.
+--- 58061517
+>>58033828
+>US military starts recruiting from /r9k/ with the promise to finally get revenge on the normies
+>So many apply that the military has to hire additional personnel just to process all the applications
+>NEETs move up the social hierarchy from lowly pitiable nobodies to feared Gestapo Death Squad members
+
+I'm surprisingly Okay with this.
+--- 58061620
+>>58061515
+Not that anon, but i think they will hit a wall soon with how much power is required,for example i read about something about expading from 32k units (i dont kwon the tech name but its bassicly about how much the AI can process at any given moment) to 2millions,but it will required so much power that Is not worth for the moment.
+--- 58061798
+>>58050213
+What you miss is that each of those destroys them less than a person. Significantly less than a person.
+--- 58061804
+>>58033258 (OP)
+Pretty sure everyone is forgetting the triangle of mechanical design. The cost of these is going to be sky high once you start getting into higher quality and performance and human life in comparison is far cheaper.
+--- 58061859
+>>58050756
+Go and hack one of the many military drones already in use for us.
+--- 58061991
+>>58033558
+Drone warfare makes that song a joke
+--- 58062256
+>>58033258 (OP)
+>all the retard "insights" on this thread
+>worried about a big biped bot that dances to 1960s music
+
+The future of warfare is these little fuckers flying up to your head and exploding:
+>https://youtu.be/zq1ud7CBOaU [Embed]
+>https://youtu.be/IgMKiIEbfN8 [Embed]
+https://youtu.be/L0fJ0EHHfOA [Embed]
+
+...Or these little fuckers walking up to you and vaporizing your legs from the knees down by exploding:
+>https://youtu.be/G6fMV1UPzkg [Embed]
+--- 58062403
+>>58061804
+Human life is not cheap in real civilizations, but it is very delicate
+>>58062256
+UAV's and robot dogs can't open a door.
+--- 58062469
+>>58062403
+In comparison to a multimillion dollar robot yes it is, even "real civilizations" will realize that it doesn't make economic sense to spend even 500k on a robot when you only spend an average of 140,000 on an active duty soldier, if fully human comparable robots ever get that cheap.
+--- 58062507
+>>58062469
+>multimillion
+Lmao. The dog costs $50000, and that's only today. It is not economic to send ten healthy young men to clear a building when one or two robots can do it.
+--- 58062554
+>>58033828
+Your retarded idea isn't even original, it's the end of Robocop 3
+--- 58062624
+>>58062507
+Is that 50,000 before or after whatever you arm it with and also factoring in maintenance, repairs, and upkeep, unless of course you think its going to be used once and then tossed out if a motor breaks? Also why would suddenly having this robot change how room clearing works? AK fire from under 10 feet is still going to break a base 50k robodog so hard an ATF agent would cum, and then its off to the repair depot if it can be repaired at all.
+--- 58062759
+>>58062624
+>Also why would suddenly having this robot change how room clearing works?
+Because you can proof it with whatever materials you want, it has perfect accuracy, it has perfect mobility. Hell it can tear down walls if you design it to. It might even be able to do intel and warfare simultaneously all in one unit. This is such a new technology that nobody has even dreamed of the potential yet but there's an example.
+--- 58062915
+>>58061515
+Lol? This pic is obviously fucking fake. And no. AI is not even a fucking thing, and it will never be.
+--- 58062964
+>>58062759
+No. None of that is ever going to happen. Stop posting your sci-fi fan fics.
+--- 58062983
+>>58062403
+>robot dogs can't open a door
+
+Retard.
+https://youtu.be/W1LWMk7JB80 [Embed]
+--- 58063013
+>>58062759
+Then you need to factor that in to your price analysis, titanium is going to cost far more than steel, and no, it is not going to have perfect accuracy or mobility, perfection is a concept, not an achievable goal within the realm of material science. And adding in ECM/Intel functions will only raise the price and complexity even more, and complexity brings failure and even more money to repair this now complex system. It will never be cheaper than just sending grunts to die in a war, and that is why they will not replace man.
+--- 58063131
+>>58062964
+>objects heavier than air can't fly. The internet is never going to happen. Stop posting your sci-fi fan fics.
+>>58062983
+Now look at how cumbersome it looks. Can it peek around the doorway? Can it open the door quickly? Can it open the door quietly? You can keep adding complexity or just use what werks (bipedals)
+>>58063013
+>what are economies of scale
+And yes, it will have perfect accuracy when you are the scared shitless adversary trying helplessly to formulate a counter-strategy. The amount of compute you can fit into a heavy-duty robot is definitely a constraint though. But that is what cloud networks are for. Even a Raspberry Pi is exponentially faster than a grunt.
+--- 58063246
+>>58063131
+No it will not, are we ignoring barrel harmonics now? Are we ignoring movement shifting the point of impact? Yes, if you are facing it for the first time with zero forethought on how to counter a robot then yes, you will have problems, but thats only for the first engagement, you can regroup and actually think out how best to neutralize them, doubly so if you can capture a destroyed unit and look at what makes it tick. Also cloud computing? Really? You're going to run your killbot 9000 over a wifi signal? In a war zone, where the enemy will eventually realize that they just have to interrupt your signal in any way and suddenly your units are handicapped in efficiency?
+--- 58063529
+>>58061065
+>They'll still be fooled by shit like cardboard boxes.
+I mean so can Genome Soldiers and Spetsnaz.
+--- 58063542
+>still thinking in terms of geopolitical rivalries once we hit human-level robotics
+Wars are the least of your worries once we get there. When it happens be sure to expect another "unexpected" global pandemic except this time there won't be a cure and you bet your ass there will be robo soldiers to protect the elite from the inevitable riots until the plebs eventually die out.
+--- 58063562
+ai guy here
+
+kinematics and real-time navigation/motion planning have stagnated currently (boston dynamics hasn't actually done anything innovative in a decade, its just a mantlepiece for tech funds)
+we've seen big booms in language and image models lately, but they dont necessarily translate to robotics
+i'm sure somebody somewhere is working on it, but generally it seems more like a data problem (they're forced to mostly train off of sim data from video game engines)
+we have lots of video and image and text, we dont have a lot of the same wealth of data on human skeletal and muscular kinematics
+
+also that thing is 1,000,000x more expensive than an RC drone witha grenade on it
+sensory and computational equipment on the thing are prohibitively expensive
+and batteries are still not efficient enough
+
+if something at all like that is coming in a timely fashion you're looking at something very heavy and slow for carrying all the additional weight and armor
+not fast or acrobatic
+which undermines any utility it would have on the battlefield
+
+robot butlers will come before there will be a humanoid robot military platform
+
+it's just radically outperformed in cost and efficiency by making existing planes and tanks R/C drones
+--- 58063585
+>>58063246
+If we get AI models that can reliably learn to breakdance, they will be able to aim. There are infinite ways to prevent reverse engineering if somebody wants to. 'cloud' or radio, or whatever, anyway only a handful of militaries irl are able to pull off electronic warfare so it's not a problem. Good luck shooting entire server constellations like Starlink out of the sky.
+--- 58064706
+>>58038149
+>muttlards spend half an hour wobbling up building
+>rests 1 hour to recharge
+>tries cutting my plastic skin edgy sniper move on robot dogo
+>hits one robot dogo with a luck shot
+>gets mortar'd by 3 of the 19 other robot dogos 
+>gets scaped by robo dogo #10 and turned into 3 new more efficient, higher mobility and lower maintenance robot dogos
+--- 58064881
+>>58062256
+Humanoid robot and weaponized terminator type robots will eventually come and will be a problem in the farther future but yes in the mean time drone swarm warfare and flying kamikaze drones are going to be the next major addition to modern warfare and it's going to revolutionize things in quite a horrific way. These robots are proving themselves in Ukraine and in the next 10 years expect them to be involved in basically any and all conflicts anywhere in the world. They will probably even work on ones that can fire small caliber guns and just harass the shit out of infantry. Like imagine being in a fire fight with men on the ground and then the next thing you know you have to worry about 10 drones lighting up up with .22 fire from above and forcing you out of your current position.
+--- 58064957
+>>58033258 (OP)
+I have full confidence that the tweakers of the world will find a way to scrap these fuck buckets and steal all the copper and anything that looks expensive on them.
+--- 58065061
+>>58033303
+But that is a front flip.
+--- 58066438
+I'll care about robots when they put a pussy and cat ears on it
+--- 58067185
+>>58066438
+this
+--- 58067206
+>>58050020
+Tentacles and flagella-like appendages. We will see plenty of multi-faceted or multi-jointed limbs. All of them will move faster than you can track with your eyesight. That's just the stuff Elon is out in the open with.
+--- 58067239
+>>58066438
+You can buy those now anon. The most advanced models have rotating hips or neck. So far.
+--- 58069174
+>>58063562
+>robot butlers
+with a pussy?

k/58035046.txt

@@ -18,9 +18,6 @@ F-100, F-105.
 --- 58035111
 >>58035087
 crybaby
---- 58035136
->>58035111
-NIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGER
 --- 58035429
 >>58035055
 I was gonna say Airacobra (after the USAAF talked Bell into deleting the supercharger in order to save weight), but I think fpbp won.
@@ -543,3 +540,286 @@ It had super high landing speeds.
 >>58054974
 >not even an exemplary aircraft for mishap
 it is if you consider its a carrier based aircraft
+--- 58059056
+>>58035046 (OP)
+>since WW2 the US makes the best combat aircraft out there
+
+The Korean War would beg to differ. US fighters were bitch slapped by MIGs in anything close to parity.
+--- 58059108
+>>58038222
+fun fact, the USAF on average had more accidents with the Starfighter per flight hour than the Luftwaffe
+--- 58059544
+>>58054291
+Yeah, because it worked so well for everyone else who used it lmao
+--- 58060763
+>Century series
+5 planes make it
+>Teen series
+4 planes make it
+>Currently
+3 variants of one plane make it
+>Future
+2 variants of no plane make it
+
+spooky times ahead
+--- 58060805
+>>58060763
+>where F-5 and F-22
+--- 58060836
+>>58056798
+F9F Panthers absolutely dunked on Mig 15s. 
+
+One pilot shot down 4 Soviet Mig 15s in one engagement and it was a 1v5.
+--- 58060845
+>>58060805
+Same place where F-4, F-8, F-111 and F-117 are
+Not part of a series
+--- 58060870
+>>58060805
+We probably won’t see another American plane like the F5 ever again, it’s not cost competitive to build US designs and the aviation industry is so globalized that any cheap fighters like the FA-50 and such are really just international mutt planes assembled in the absolute cheapest place you can still ensure quality, South Korea comes to mind. 
+
+The F-5 and F-20 also died out for a reason, very few countries want a cope plane, especially when they almost never use or lose the planes they have anyways. This may change if a war demonstrates a high loss rate of modern fighters and people realize attrition is a thing again.
+--- 58060974
+>>58060870
+F-5 wasn't a cope plane when it was designed, it was a low maintenance plane using existing and established tech but it was a very solid performer, not unlike the F-16 of its day, just with a lower k:d ratio. It was really special only because USAF ditched it so it got the rep of an "export fighter", unlike the next cost-minded designs like the F-16 and F-35. Imo F-5 would have been perfectly suited to the USAF back then too instead of the shitty starfighter as it could serve as a cheap but decent bombing platform/dogfighter, complementing the F-4 Phantom that would otherwise have to do all the work. Kennedy also liked the plane, too.
+--- 58060976
+>>58060870
+>"cope plane" evolution
+F-5 -> F-16 -> F-35
+arguably
+--- 58061443
+>>58060974
+It’s a cope plane in the sense that it wasn’t capable of BVR combat, wasn’t as capable in a ground attack role, and didn’t have the raw speed and range numbers that a heavier fighter like the F4 could put out. 
+
+It is true that it was essentially regarded as too simple for the US. We had other very cheap ground attack options in the form of the A4 and A7s. 
+
+Remember that the big marketing thing of the 1960s and 1970s was BVR capability. I understand that in actuality until the mid 70s BVR was kinda a pipe dream. 
+
+>>58060976
+I think there’s simply a break in design strategy from the F-5 to the F-16, the F-16 was actually fairly cutting edge. The F-5 was always designed to be simple and cheap. The F-35 is only cheap through extremely economical program design, it’s being funded by 30 or more countries and almost everything is buying them.
+--- 58061576
+>>58061443
+>It’s a cope plane in the sense that it wasn’t capable of BVR combat, wasn’t as capable in a ground attack role, and didn’t have the raw speed and range numbers that a heavier fighter like the F4
+You're just decribing the "low" part of a hi-lo mix.
+What happened is that the USAF skipped the F-5 and went from the F-104 and F-105 to the F-16.
+
+>the big marketing thing of the 1960s and 1970s was BVR
+it was having effective and reliable missiles at all in the first place
+
+>the F-16 was actually fairly cutting edge
+"Cutting edge" is relative, and the F-16 was still a compromise from not fielding an air force made up solely of F-15s.
+
+>The F-35 is only cheap through extremely economical program design, it’s being funded by 30 or more countries and almost everything is buying them
+Once again, still a compromise from fielding an air force made up solely of F-22s.
+--- 58061676
+>>58061443
+>the F-16 was actually fairly cutting edge. The F-5 was always designed to be simple and cheap
+Actually, the F-16A was anything but cutting edge, especially in the electronics department. It was basically envisioned as a day fighter with no radar guided missile armament, much like the F-5. It's only because of the insight of the designers and the reversal of priorities did the F-16C get its capability properly.
+
+F-5 was meant to be cheap and simple, being one of the first aircraft designed with its lifecycle and operation costs in mind but it wasn't anything bad performance-wise at its time. It wasn't as powerful thrust-wise but it's probably the best turner of its generation, had a bomb load comparable or better than many its contemporaries aside from the F-4 and was pretty high performance all around. 3 tons of bomb load is similar to the Mirage, several dedicated bomber/strike aircraft that were in use at the time like the Canberra or the A-4 and more than the starfighter. Its only weak point were underpowered engines and they weren't that weak either, handily beating any non-supersonic aircraft of the previous years. It also initially lacked a radar but, again aside from the F-4 the aircraft radars at the time were mostly useful for gun and missile ranging, not guidance and were not very reliable and short ranged, as well as very costly procurement and maintenance-wise.
+--- 58061795
+>>58061576
+>went from the F-104 and F-105
+F-105 wasn't anything low-tech and also sat in a weird spot where a fighter-bomber design started leaning heavily into the "bomber" part during USAF obsession with strategic and nuclear roles while neglecting the tactical ones. Only after the embarrassments of the vietnam bondoogle did they finally pull their heads out of their asses and followed the navy's lead.
+
+It wasn't cheap, it wasn't low-tech and it was pretty cutting edge at the time. There also wasn't anything to do along with it except for the older aircraft that was used for bombing roles after new ones came out, like the F-100. With the amount of aircraft produced during the 50s the idea to make them able to carry a bomb load greatly improved their utility down the line instead of just relegating them to be sold to the 3rd world as surplus or sento to bumfuck nowhere with obsolescence.
+--- 58061889
+>>58038378
+My dad was on the Hancock in the mid '50s. He might have been there when that happened. Never told me about that, but he did say that pilots trying to get out of the cockpit in an emergency would break their ankles or legs. The the nosegear was so long the cockpit was 14' off the ground.
+--- 58062652
+>>58061795
+He’s saying the F-105 is the Hi in the Hi/Lo mix of that. It doesn’t really work with the F-104 though because the USAF was always very lukewarm about the F-104, literally preferring the F-100 due to its higher bomb load. Hi/Lo does make sense, but in more of a “Light/Heavy” way and not in a “Cheap/Expensive” way. 
+
+The F-35 was supposed to be the lo in the F-35/F-22 mix but that’s not actually how it worked out. I’d rather be in a new F-35 now than an F-22 in basically every circumstance but raw WVR interception.
+--- 58062734
+>>58062652
+I prefer to think of the idea of the hi/lo mix as the F-15/F-16 thing, there wasn't really a thing like that before them. It's really a product of the F-15's cost that made it and before that there was no need for that, especially when US wasn't dealing with post-vietnam budget cutbacks. It could've been a good idea and is a good way to run an air force but it just wasn't prevalent in the old days.
+--- 58063609
+>>58062652
+>He’s saying the F-105 is the Hi in the Hi/Lo mix of that
+No, I wasn't
+
+>>58061795
+I'm just describing the course of the USAF's aircraft adoption
+Frankly I feel the F-5 was skipped over because the F-16 had a better airframe
+
+>>58062734
+>it just wasn't prevalent in the old days
+Might be because of the slowing pace of aircraft development
+In the old days, the "low" was simply older front-line aircraft in the process of being replaced by newer aircraft
+--- 58063715
+>>58035429
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigory_Rechkalov.
+anyways the p-39 manifold pressure was limited on us service, it was used as a cas/fighter plane insted of a pure fighter and it had only one engine over the pacific.
+It's reputation was tainted by pilots that were screeching for the p-38 (aka the best looking aircraft of ww2).
+--- 58063880
+>>58036093
+only right answer
+
+>>58036108
+>kill yourself
+>>58036216
+one multirole aircraft is better for logistic and tactics
+>>58036292
+>kill yourself boomer retard
+>>58044397
+mg151 can target the f-35 too, it won't happen but it could, same applies for memesonigs
+>>58044330
+>kill yourself retarded boomer stuck in vietnam
+>>58052168
+>kill yourself
+>>58052377
+so what? missles currently go mach4+, the reason why you want missles to go fast is not only to outrun the enemy plane but also to gain kinetic energy and so range.
+>>58061576
+the f-22 can't do what the f-35 can do. pure air to air fighter are pointless unless they have such advanced tech that completely outclass everything else
+--- 58064256
+>>58063880
+>the f-22 can't do what the f-35 can do. pure air to air fighter
+IF they hadn't gone into F-35 we'd have an F-22 Super Strike Raptor with all the shit F-35 has on it on a super low observable AND super manoeuvreable airframe.
+
+but such a plane would be insanely expensive and the hi-lo mix would end up being F-16s and F-22Xs or whatever you wanna call the Super Strike Raptor. and there'd be no F-5 equivalent to sell to allies, and there'd be no Harrier replacement for the USMC.
+
+the alternative therefore was to build the F-35, and lean on it and the F-22 in its current state for air superiority. then we move on, having completed the next-gen "low", to completing the next-gen "high", which is NGAD.
+--- 58064320
+The price of rushing out the first Soviet mass-produced supersonic fighter, had issues with controls locking up and aircraft exploding due to fuel vapors. Plus the weapons were limited. Granted, some of these issues were fixed. The 19 is still gnarly looking.
+--- 58064607
+>>58064320
+This is a bad American fighters thread. Every soviet plane except the Mig 21 would otherwise be fair game.
+--- 58064697
+>>58055216
+F-111 was necessary for modern stealth aircraft and still useful for low-priority missions real stealth plans don't deign to sacrifice hours for. Oh, and playing OpFor as chink stealth aircraft.
+
+It's not the plane's fault the idiots in charge of disposing of stealth skins did so in an irresponsible manned.
+
+>>58035046 (OP)
+F-104 is arguably in the running, though I'd say that's more a case of "does not suffer incompetent pilots" than "bad airframe." It's certainly far from the best.
+--- 58064725
+>>58044330
+>I'm saying that our universal super stealthy swiss army knife is invalidated because hypersonic ballistics can target and neutralize it before it can get halfway to its own target if the enemies with that tech need to.
+--- 58064761
+>>58059544
+>>58052996
+F-104 wasn't intended for use by non-serious air forces, hence the horrible attrition due to pilot incompetence once they sold them off. Most planes are more forgiving of lazy/untrained pilots, but the F-104 was never one of those.
+--- 58066887
+>>58051855
+Honestly this, that thing was A-10 tier and I dont know why no one disses it.
+--- 58066965
+>>58058576
+Do F18s fly from carriers?
+--- 58066976
+>>58066965
+Very much so, yes
+
+>>58066887
+Because Danger Zone memes.
+--- 58067006
+>>58066887
+Because it rarely got a chance to do its designed job. A few shootdowns of Libyan planes. 
+Accidents, but that's to be expected when it's flown so much and was so complex. The Iranians had good success with them and with the Phoenix missile. So the aircraft seems effective enough. 
+But yeah, because of Top Gun, Macross and Robotech, The Final Countdown, etc., Tomcats will forever be loved.
+--- 58067010
+>>58036216
+Nah F-15E is the best light bomber and CAS plane in the world. The real flaw of the F-35 is it can’t carry as much shit. Should have just made an F-15 with stealth geometry and RAM.
+--- 58067018
+>>58067006
+>Because it rarely got a chance to do its designed job.
+That doesn't make it shit.
+--- 58067033
+>>58067010
+The move is towards increasing precision and denying your opponent a realistic chance of shooting down your plane (which means you get to use that plane for more). We're seeing that philosophy play out pretty well with precision-guided artillery in Ukraine vs. the shitshow of Russian arty.
+--- 58067066
+>>58067018
+Didn't say it was. Just said that judging the F-14 as an actual fighter becomes difficult because it never really got the chance in American service. The war it was made for never came. Many people just judge the looks, which definitely earn it a gold medal.
+--- 58067284
+>>58067006
+>it rarely got a chance to do its designed job
+had its chance during the two iraqi wars, didnt do anything worth of notice in both
+>iran
+wildly varied accounts with no real consensus between them from a country that has no reason to show transparency
+>phoenix
+never got a confirmed kill, failed in all its documented uses
+the tomcat was largely criticized by its own operators during service, the israelis that tested them were unimpressed. It was unreliable, hard to maintain, expensive, had lackluster flight performance and suffered from teething issues during its entire lifetime
+--- 58067713
+>>58041772
+>why exactly do you think the A-5 was bad?
+
+IIRC the original had weapons release problems.
+
+I think the original concept was to come in low, poop our a single nuke between the exhaust nozzles and zoom skyward. But in practice the weapon got caught in the slip stream.
+
+AFIK the RA-5 recon version was fairly successful.
+--- 58067840
+>>58064607
+Mig-21 would also be bad by those measures. It had pretty poor combat record, several air forces had bad crash rates with it, it had long lasting technical issues that were never fixed, etc. Its greatest boon was that it was cheap.
+
+Mig-17 was the only soviet plane that has seen a decent success for its time, and even then it was dunked on by Sidewinders and newer aircraft.
+--- 58067931
+>>58067284
+>had its chance during the two iraqi wars, didnt do anything worth of notice in both
+No plane except F-15 did anything of note in Desert Storm because it was the only one with the non cooperative IFF system. Iraq war was a joke.
+>wildly varied accounts with no real consensus between them
+Is that grounds for ignoring all of them? That's literally the primary place of success of it.
+--- 58068075
+>>58054974
+>So what
+VTOL is the cause of most of those accidents, its original prototype was also designed in like 52. F18 was designed in the 70's and it's not particularly revolutionary, but a concept built upon another.
+Not even remotely comparable honestly, the flight hours on the harriers are nutty.
+The marine corps thought the harrier so valuable a platform to them they literally didn't give a shit about attrition losses, and to this day, almost >>> 60 YEARS <<< later after commission still fly harriers to this day while waiting on massed F35-B's (Basically another harrier) as replacement kek.
+--- 58068172
+>>58068075
+tbf US once had a supersonic VTOL replacement program in the early 80s but the plane they picked didn't work and so the project fell flat. 
+
+in an alternate universe Convair Model 200 won the contract instead and we'd have USMC zooming around in a supersonic VTOL.
+--- 58068203
+>>58035066
+
+>Eternally butthurt Chuck Yaeger-hater always has to smear their shitty opinion around.
+--- 58068216
+>>58035066
+hey fuck you mang!
+--- 58068234
+>>58040370
+
+> Anon in >>58036404 is literally wrong about all that shit. It used an engine that variants of the F-16 had, expanded upon into later and more efficient engines, avionics, and more. Make no mistake it wouldn't have been a powerhouse 4th gen, but it certainly could have been an ultra cheap 3++ equivalent that would have served a number of countries well and provided trainer options to this day instead of some of the light attack craft and trainers developed. Plus Chuck Yaeger endorsed it's performance just fine, that anon is eternally sneeding as a result.
+--- 58068286
+>>58044721
+
+You realize the F-2 is a worse-performing variant of the F-16, right?
+--- 58068608
+>>58067010
+If all you need to do is carry shit that's what the B-52 or that new smaller stealth bomber is for
+--- 58068621
+>>58035046 (OP)
+when tech hasnt caught up with the idea
+IE V-22 osprey
+--- 58069615
+>>58068621
+kek
+--- 58069688
+>>58035046 (OP)
+this POS
+--- 58070182
+>>58064256
+>IF they hadn't gone into F-35 we'd have an F-22 Super Strike Raptor with all the shit F-35 has on it on a super low observable AND super manoeuvreable airframe.
+The F-35 is also low observable and exceptional at air to air, air to ground and ew. 
+
+>but such a plane would be insanely expensive and the hi-lo mix would end up being F-16s and F-22Xs or whatever you wanna call the Super Strike Raptor. and there'd be no F-5 equivalent to sell to allies, and there'd be no Harrier replacement for the USMC.
+FB-22 would have been cheaper than the F-35 since it was a variation from the already existing F-22 instead of a new airframe. The problem is that the FB-22 wouldn't be carrier based, mediocre to bad at air to air and very good at air to ground. This would leave the role of air dominance to another aircraft which would put a strain on logistics and costs.
+
+>and lean on it and the F-22 in its current state for air superiority
+the F-22 can only ensure air superiority over NATO territories, problem is that in an asian/middle east/central asian/african/south american conflict you'd need to establish a air bridge for the F-22 to get it to the combat zone, after that the plane would need to go back to a friendly airfield in order to reload and maininence. The F-35 can just be launched and landed on a carrier while being able to do strike missions and similar air to air performance.
+--- 58070392
+>>58036278
+You win. It's hilarious how fucked up this plane was:
+
+https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/the-gutless-cutlass-12023991/
+--- 58070427
+>>58036601
+My uncle died test flying one
+--- 58070444
+>>58040315
+Is it? It looks like something AI-piloted in a videogame that launches out of a flying carrier
+--- 58070509
+>>58055247
+>mach 2.3 interceptors with nuclear air to air missiles
+we will never have such kino ever again

k/58035348.txt

@@ -759,3 +759,73 @@ Just give the men a bag of beef jerky, bag of almonds, and a bag of gummy bears
 >>58040658
 >Nobody smokes more than the Japanese
 I'm pretty sure that either Chinese or Indians are global leaders in term of smoking. For example, in China, doctors smoke like 5 times more than in western countries.
+--- 58059372
+>>58058794
+based doctors
+--- 58059432
+>>58036664
+>mont blanc chocomouse
+brings back memories of driving down to the Provence with my parents bribing me and my brother with what ever food stuffs we wanted to just shut up and not fight
+--- 58059481
+>>58035733
+Go away
+--- 58059536
+>>58037635
+Lol you can live of actual onions dude (not s o y)
+--- 58059552
+>>58037909
+Theres a grouchy old fuck on my street who says he only eats rice and fried chicken. Well beer too. Granted he most likely has one foot in the grave
+--- 58059567
+>>58039163
+Dont do it bronon. Ill smoke one for you
+--- 58059597
+>>58040392
+Isnt it the s o y oil thats fucked and not the bean? Not counting any monsanto shit of course
+--- 58060421
+>>58035348 (OP)
+Anyone think he would be up for doing a colonoscopy/endoscopy? We could crowd fund it. Wonder how his Colin looks after all the mres
+--- 58060429
+>>58035379
+He ate a 120 year old hard tack once
+--- 58060442
+>>58035748
+Maybe it's like the spade symbol for bbc lovers she is probably into horses.
+--- 58060490
+>>58035348 (OP)
+I hate to be the one to say it but Steve's health seems to be deteriorating. I'm not sure what's going on behind the scenes so to speak but you can see it in his face. His normal 1000 yard stare has become a transfixed 3000 yard stare. The happiness has gone from his eyes. Worried about this dude.
+--- 58064529
+>>58060490
+But he says he's feeling better than ever
+I mean, look at his gains
+--- 58064545
+>>58060490
+I think it's just aging.
+--- 58064569
+>>58064545
+This. His last video was from 2017.
+--- 58064573
+>>58060490
+He keeps saying otherwise though. He definitely looks more fit.
+--- 58064712
+>>58057693
+NTA but stormweenies and other tyrant worshipper should neck themselves
+--- 58064839
+>>58035748
+She's a donkey.
+--- 58066039
+>>58035748
+BHC
+--- 58066073
+The post-mortem killswitch was activated after not being reset in time, these are his last videos.
+This is too late...
+--- 58067654
+>>58043754
+cobson beard
+--- 58067846
+>>58035723
+>>58035748
+I have seen her pitcher husband's ass more than hers because of fappening images
+her husband has a better ass than she does too
+--- 58068103
+>>58067846
+Well, had she not became known, she'd be that cute waitress at the diner asking "What do you want in your coffee, shug?". That's the vibe she always gave me.

k/58037356.txt

@@ -282,3 +282,152 @@ stay rifle stock or pistol grip rifle stock
 t. owned one
 --- 58057709
 The barrel is qd (obviously) the sling and light are qd with the barrel. Is there any way to get a qd mount for the red dot so I can take it off if I want to use the longer barrel? Something other than say a pick mount because that would block the rib of the 28 inch barrel
+--- 58060608
+What's the advantage of AK-style shotguns? How does it compare to a regular semi automatic shotgun?
+--- 58060927
+>>58060608
+The advantage is that they look like AKs which many people think is cool, and they take box mags which aren't very reliable, but they do reload faster than tube mags.
+--- 58060964
+>>58060927
+>they take box mags which aren't very reliable
+Is this a quirk of it carrying shotgun shells versus rifle rounds?
+--- 58061105
+>>58060964
+Yes.
+Notice that nobody ever uses AK pattern shotguns for anything serious. They're not competitive in any kind of shotgun sport, be it 3-gun or anything involving clay pigeons. You'd think that the fast reload would be a major advantage for 3-gun but no, the reliability prevents them from being competitive. Instead people will take the time to awkwardly load those absurdly long magazine tubes on something like a Beretta M2 because even though those are slower to load they are far more reliable. Their ergos are pretty bad compared to most shotguns as well.
+--- 58062491
+>>58057709
+Some pic and weaver rails are open in the center, like a gutter sight. That should allow you to see the rib/bead even with the rail in place. For example, the rail on the bottom of this pic.
+--- 58062538
+I've discovered that the M4 with the EOTech is... shockingly comfortable to shoot fully collapsed. Still better putting the stock in a normal sane position, but it's absolutely usable all the way collapsed in full goblin mode with the height of the EOTech.
+--- 58062551
+>>58062538
+>M4
+>Posts an M1014
+I'm sorry son, but you're trans
+--- 58062743
+It's heavy and fragile and absolutely miserable to shoot...but it's so cooooooool
+--- 58063826
+>>58062538
+I mean, it was literally designed that way. The italians were instructed to have a collapsible stock for comfortable use with thick body armor.
+--- 58063843
+>>58062743
+rule of cool > everything else
+Nice SPAS12, anon.
+--- 58063867
+>>58062743
+>We've spared no expense
+>>58062551
+Post guns faggot
+--- 58063872
+>>58063826
+That's what the middle position is for. The fully collapsed position is supposed to just be for transport and the ghost ring sights are actually completely obstructed, it's only usable that way with the EOT's height.
+--- 58063984
+>>58063843
+I'm just glad I got it before all the youtubers made the prices on them double basically overnight
+--- 58064063
+>>58063867
+>I posted a 1014 and called it an M4. Im upset you called me on it. Post guns!!!
+Usually I'd just call you moron and move on, but okay have an older photo
+--- 58064261
+>>58064063
+That's not me, I don't give a shit if you don't like what I call my gun. But I use M4 because M1014 is a military designation for a specific configuration of the M4 Super 90, and Benelli's commemorative edition """1014""" M4 is not fully in-spec to an M1014 despite having some key features not found on other M4 configurations like the chokeless barrel.
+--- 58064321
+I am once again asking for your recommendations on shotgun rib slugger sights. 
+
+My side by side rib is solid with no vent holes and is 3/8th of an inch wide. I am skeptical of the truglo slugger sights because i've seen some not good reviews. But I'm also skeptical of the williams because some people say the screws break and its super cheap metal. Anyone found some good rib sights?
+--- 58064388
+>>58061105
+I had always thought that the reliability issues were because they just hate every single aftermarket magazine out there. Apparently they work fine with the unobtanium Russian magazines. Which for all intents and purposes, means they are unreliable over here at least.
+--- 58064637
+What's the down low on the KS7? I've been looking into bullpup shotties for home defense because I'm a rentoid in an apartment with retardedly tight hallways. The thing looks cool as hell and seems simple enough, but I wanted to get some input from someone who owns one and I trust you faggots more than the fudds at the LGS.
+>inb4 >Keltec
+--- 58065299
+>ah, what a great day to shoot trap!
+>I will surely improve now that I've watched more videos on it from my last scores! (10/25)
+>I will take that pro instructor's advice about not aiming down the gun and just look at the bird
+>miss
+>miss
+>miss
+>1/25
+
+Well, guess I'm going to have to work on developing my own system then. At least almost nobody was there when I was so nobody really saw just how terrible it was.
+--- 58065320
+>>58064063
+Hey wanna see my MP5? I bought an MP5 and SBR'd it. Yeah, it's a Century import from MKE. Man I love my MP5 though.
+--- 58065329
+>>58052132
+The top shell holder can be ripped off the velcro. Frankly cheek welds are kinda hard to make on bullpups anyways
+--- 58065402
+>>58039890
+Based grandma
+--- 58065536
+>>58060407
+Raw Sexual Appeal
+--- 58065568
+>>58065299
+follow through your swing, retard
+--- 58065585
+rate my most recent purchase
+I put an improved cylinder bore in
+Gonna shoot slugs for fun with the nice fiber optic rifle sights
+--- 58065670
+I want to shoot my 870 again bros
+--- 58065704
+>>58043238
+Mine lets you resize them easily in the default photo editing software
+--- 58065902
+Will we ever see FORT shotguns imported?
+--- 58065974
+>>58065902
+More like FART, amirite?
+--- 58065986
+>2023, year of Our Lord
+>10 Gauge
+>I am forgotten
+--- 58066059
+>want to get into clay shooting
+>very limited shotgun experience, have fired about 50 shells total, 00 buck and slugs
+>only shotgun is Benelli Nova with 18.5 inch barrel
+
+What do, /sgg/? The range near me offers clay shooting lessons for a modest price, and they give the option to use one of their guns. Would a 1 hour lesson be helpful to a total beginner, or should I just go grab some clays from Walmart and hit the field by myself? Should I use my Nova or will the shorter barrel be an unnecessary obstacle to overcome?
+--- 58066090
+>>58066059
+Do it. It'll get you started. You'll probably learn something
+--- 58066123
+>>58066090
+I probably would learn something. What do you think about using the 18.5? If I end up enjoying clay shooting I'd get a longer barrel
+--- 58066165
+>>58066059
+Yeah, lessons are a great idea especially if you're a noob. The thing that's tricky about learning to shoot clays is that you don't get much feedback. You can tell if you hit or you missed of course but it can be hard to tell as a noob just exactly how you are missing. That's very different than shooting pistols or rifles where you can easily see on the paper if you're shooting high or left or whatever. A pro instructor can help make sure you aren't teaching yourself any bad habits and can provide feedback for how you're missing. Take a lesson or two then go shoot on your own for a while. If you feel like it take another lesson now and then.
+
+Bring your Nova, just tell them that's what you've got but be open to trying something else if they suggest it.
+--- 58066260
+>>58066165
+>That's very different than shooting pistols or rifles where you can easily see on the paper if you're shooting high or left or whatever.
+
+I didn't even think of that, good point anon. I'll take a lesson then. Clay shooting seems like fun and if I get good at it then the skills should carry over into something like pheasant hunting - right?
+--- 58066272
+>>58066123
+I use a 19" saiga12 for skeet. The short barrel is fine for starting out. The shorter sight radius isn't an issue because you aren't aiming anyway. You're only concern is the clay and the front bead. If you have a lot of fun and want to do it again, ask them what they would recommend for a more purpose built shotty.
+--- 58066410
+>>58066260
+>then the skills should carry over into something like pheasant hunting - right?
+Absolutely. It translates into being able to better handle your shotgun no matter what you're shooting at.
+--- 58066706
+>>58066165
+>>58066272
+>>58066410
+Thank you bros, I can't wait to blast my first clay
+--- 58067172
+>>58065986
+Sexy 10 gauge.
+--- 58068997
+>>58065846
+your sling is on backwards
+--- 58069031
+>>58066706
+Have fun anon, I'm still of the opinion that shooting clays is about the most fun you have have with a gun in general.
+--- 58069039
+>>58068997
+Maybe he African Carries

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 Basically imagine if we let like Al Capone command half the Army and rape at pillage at his own leisure. Dude was a puke, and rightfully got popped while still being tried for crimes against humanity.
 
 Sure NATO wiped the floor with them, but the stuff after and the "Tribunals" have been a fucking joke. Radovan was able to hide out in the fucking Capital for almost a decade. And now he's being transferred to a cushy British prison. It's been such a fucking joke how little justice has actually come to these assholes.
+--- 58059527
+>>58058346
+>>58058399
+This, pretty much. Even the smallest infantry assault means that a bunch of guys have to put aside all their survival instincts and go risk death/maiming/capture for no objective benefit to themselves. The only way to make this happen dozens to hundreds of times a day for years on end is strong chain of command, rule of law and esprit de corps - strong ideological motivation can make up for a lack of those, but only to some degree. But that's boring compared to "muh based warrior spirit." Survival is also a very strong motivator ("don't corner anybody or anything" yada-yada.)
+
+Why do any real fighting when you can just loot and torture a bunch of civilians with no repercussions and the same amount of prestige as actually fighting? On paper the Serbs should have wiped the floor with Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. Not only had they far more manpower and materiel - but they had agents and informants among the political, military and - to some degree - para-military leadership of all their enemies. Also the international prestige and pull that came with taking up the mantle of Yugoslavia. People forget that early in the war most of the West and East was on the Serbs side.
+
+So what the Serbs did during the most of the war was basically this:
+>murder civilians and steal everything that isn't nailed down
+>halt and dig in as soon as someone starts shooting back
+>go bananas with artillery and MG fire
+>regularly go back to rear to commit atrocities.
+
+Militarily, this is very inefficient. Plus they made the mistake of backing their enemies into a corner, especially in Bosnia: it tends to be bad for you if the only options your opposition has is getting tortured to death along with their family and picking up a hunting shotgun, mixing up some ghetto explosives and ambushing your armoured convoy.
+--- 58059625
+>>58058346
+>it really does rustle my Jimmies Croats get a pass
+Croatia could start a national "lets flammenwerf every kitten" program and they still would get political gibs from the Vatican and Catholic fundies across Europe and the world. Especially Germany. The current shit-show where the Bosnian election law was changed 3 times in less than a year by the Germans (with no input by Bosnian politicians or voters) to give the HDZ (the Bosnian-Croat nationalist party) a complete stranglehold over Bosnia (despite only winning 9% of the popular vote) is just the latest and most blatant example.
+--- 58059796
+>>58059625
+Croatia is unironicaly bankrolling Bosnia. And no, no one is planning to annex Herzegovina
+--- 58059884
+>>58059625
+>war ends in 1995
+>post war treaty stipulates a co-presidency with one representative of each of the three major ethnic groups, bosniaks, croats, and serbs
+>bosniaks realize the law only states the candidates have to belong to these ethnic groups but anyone can pick who to vote for and strategically game elections for croat candidate by installing a nominally croat pro-bosniak candidate with majority bosniak votes to have permanent 2/3 presidency
+>croats complain about how this obviously goes against the spirit of the law and get some limited international sympathy 
+>bosniaks start pissing and shitting themselves how this is a nationalist attack on democracy 
+i hope we stand by and do nothing next time serbs attempt to genocide you lying, disingenuous faggots
+--- 58059912
+>>58059796
+>Croatia is unironicaly bankrolling Bosnia.
+How so? By not paying for hydro-power and illegally seizing Bosnian assets including entire freight port terminals? If you mean via trade: Bosnia and Croatia are each others biggest trade partners and Croatia is in the black in that regard.
+
+> And no, no one is planning to annex Herzegovina
+Which makes the HDZ behavior even more absurd - creating animosity, contributing to chasing Bosnian Croats out of Bosnia and playing into Serb hands even though they know that "Muslims coming to take our freedoms" is a nonsensical meme and breaking away to join Croatia is impossible. At the end of the day their politics pretty much boil down to two points:
+>1) gotta pretend to be "fighting for our side" to keep voters happy and stay in power
+>2) gotta keep institutions weak so we don't all get sent to prison for billions worth of corruption
+
+The biggest opposition that the HDZ puts forward in parliament is towards laws regarding tax evasion, money laundering and asset verification. That pretty much tells you all you need to know.
+--- 58059923
+>>58058184
+Asian men are natural cùckolds, even their propaganda makes them look inferior to American BVLLS
+--- 58060085
+>>58059884
+>war ends in 1995
+After Croats tried to partition Bosnia (Tuđman/Milošević, Boban/Karadžić,) interdicted Bosnian arms shipments (you're welcome,) and there was something else, oh yeah: fought alongside Serbs against Bosniaks.
+
+>post war treaty stipulates...
+You skipped the part where Croats almost immediately started an insurrection against the Bosnian government and tried to break away - Hrvatska samouprava and all that.
+ 
+>bosniaks realize the law only states...
+For 20 years after the war the HDZ had their presidency member - for 20 years they did everything to obstruct Bosnian institutions and collaborate with Serbs in breaking apart Bosnia again. For example that one time they voted against a routine bill extension that insured health insurance for infants just so they could blackmail Bosniaks into appointing their judicial minister so that billions in fraud would not be investigated.
+
+>croats complain about how this obviously goes against the spirit of the law
+Again, insurrection also goes against the spirit of the law. Ethnic apartheid also goes against the spirit of all European laws - but in Bosnia it is okay apparently, as long as the Croats benefit of course. One-man-one-vote is also a universal value of western democracy - but not when Bosniaks are the majority. Besides, the law doesn't say that the presidency member needs to be "a card carrying HDZ member" it simply states that the needs to be a Croat - which Komšić is. But he's also a patriot so that apparently disqualifies him from being Croat.
+
+>get some limited international sympathy 
+By "limited" you mean the EU and US devote themselves for a decade to oust the dominant Bosniak party (but not the dominant Bosnian-Croat or Bosnian-Serb ones.) And also send over a guy whose sole job it is to unilaterally change laws so the HDZ can stay in power with 9% of the vote.
+
+>i hope we stand by and do nothing
+You doing nothing would be an improvement.
+
+>lying, disingenuous
+Seriously?
+--- 58060164
+>>58039143
+>both
+the Serbians were filled with post soviet pride and patriotism which lead to them being incompetent and creating hostility for an entirely unnecessary reason.
+
+NATO stepped in because it was stupid, and so were the serbs.
+--- 58060390
+>>58060085
+Insane posts, this is more delusional than even the worst Serb schizoposting. Bosniaks as a nationality literally solely exist today because Croats teamed up with them and saved their asses during the war. Yes, there was some infighting between the two, of which both sides are to blame and it wasn't just evil Croats backstabbing poor Bosniaks, but that was limited in scope and eventually resolved and war ended as Serbs sued for peace because Croats pushed them out of Croatia and were moving in troops in Bosnia en masse to end the war there as well. You would have been literally genocided out of existence if Croats sided with Serbs all the way. And then when the war ended Bosniak thanked Croats by trying to oppress Bosnian Croats by centralizing power in Sarajevo, which Croats obviously oppose and what you're disingenuously calling "obstructing Bosnian institutions and collaborating with Serbs to break Bosnia". Ironic how you're accusing Croats of trying to undermine Bosnian institutions while literally like a sentence later talking about how the fundamental building block of Bosnian state, the post-war treaty, is bad and we need to throw it away and establish a unitary state with power centralized by Bosniaks. As much as Bosniak nationalists like you try to hide behind veneer of supporting democratic values (though I am somewhat unsure as to how does oppressing other ethnic groups and nationalities and trying force your own nationalistic supremacy has to do with Western Values?), your ultimate goal is no different than that of Serbs during the war, you want full control of Bosnia, and you're impotently coping and seething everyone else won't roll over and let you do as you please.
+--- 58060704
+>>58040425
+>NATO shills are the lowest scum on earth. NATO is a terrorist organization.
+--- 58060718
+>>58043139
+>Lol cry more nato shills
+--- 58061256
+>>58060704
+daily reminder, se*bs spoke of Ukrainians as a "brotherly nation" before 2022. They really are such scum.
+--- 58061341
+>>58061256
+Maybe Ukraine should have tried to work with Serbia more since they really have the same problem... which is being stripped of parts of their territory
+--- 58061371
+>>58061341
+no one wants to work with serbs and russians
+--- 58061519
+>>58061341
+>work with Serbia
+why work with an illoyal whore that changes her mind like reeds in the wind every time the smallest bit of gain is within it's reach?
+serbs will suck off russia for standing up to them on one day and then the eu for paying them serf-bucks the next day
+--- 58061934
+Kill all serbshits!
+--- 58062198
+>>58060390
+>Croats teamed up with them and saved their asses during the war.
+Bosniaks took than their fair share of the fighting, arms bought by the Bosnian government helped arm the Croatian army. And again the little fact that from the start both the Croatian proper and Bosnian-Croat leaderships had divided up Bosnia with the Serbs. Would have Bosniaks been much worse off if Croatia wasn't in the fight? Sure. Is the reverse also true? Sure.
+
+>it wasn't just evil Croats backstabbing poor Bosniaks
+The backstab happened in 1990 already. What, by that point, did Bosniaks do so that "both sides are to blame." Or, what happened in 93'? Of course Bosniaks were in a more precarious situation than Croats and of course there were dickheads on both sides. But "both sides are to blame equally" simply doesn't hold water. Not even close.
+
+>You would have been literally genocided out of existence if Croats sided with Serbs all the way.
+"Well, at least we didn't try to genocide you - so be thankful." Yeah sure.
+
+>oppress Bosnian Croats by trying to oppress Bosnian Croats by centralizing power in Sarajevo
+Sarajevo is the capital - what the fuck is it with the "political Sarajevo" soundbite? if there is an agenda that ups the functionality of, say, the tax service - how is that "centralizing power?" Are you seriously saying that Bosnia: a country with notoriously weak central institutions (to the point that it is a major detriment to the rule of law and economic progress) has institution that are too centralized? Pretty much the only way to further "decentralize" Bosnia at this point is to simply shut down everything.
+
+Nobody wants shit from Croats, all Bosniaks want is a country where when 6 BILLION US dollars (half the annual GDP) earmarked for highways go missing - there is an investigation at least. And that's just one scam out of 1000. Bosniaks voted their corrupt assholes out of power: in 2004, in 2012, now in 2022. When are Bosnian Croats and Serbs going to do the same?
+--- 58062436
+>>58060390
+>you're accusing Croats of trying to undermine Bosnian institutions while talking about how the fundamental building block of Bosnian state, the post-war treaty, is bad and we need to establish a unitary state with power centralized by Bosniaks.
+Contracts are void when one party breaks the agreement: Bosnian Croats have literally established their own mini-state back in 2003. Only the Americans stopped another war. Obstructing every law, no matter how trivial, just for the sake of tanking the country is a breach of good faith. But using a legal "loophole" in election laws to make sure the presidency isn't occupied by a former concentration camp overseer, literal traitor and war profiteer is "disingenuous and disloyal (you know: one is enough.)" Yeah, right.
+
+Not to mention that the foremost legal document in Bosnia is not the Dayton peace agreement but the international declaration of human rights - which does not look too kindly on literal apartheid: one school for Bosniaks, one for Croats, etc.
+
+Lets not even go into how it is illegal by international standards to enforce a constitution with threats of force and how Bosnia, an internationally recognized state, already had a constitution (that was voted for by the vast majority of Bosnian Croats in an internationally supervised and legal referendum.
+
+>how does oppressing other ethnic groups and nationalities and trying force your own nationalistic supremacy
+So my vote and yours counting the same (instead of yours counting 5 more - or even having the Germans change the law so it counts 20 times more if that isn't enough) is oppression and supremacy on my part. Okay sure.
+
+>Western Values
+My mistake, I thought the European court for human rights knew a thing or two about western values. Or every parliament of every country in Europe (including Croatia:) none of which has a constitution even remotely similar to Bosnia's. Apparently not.
+--- 58062639
+>>58062198
+Interesting that you bring up 1990, because there was no war in Bosnia until 1992, while the worst fighting in Croatia took place in 1991, when Bosniaks stood by and did absolutely nothing as Serbs were ravaging across Croatia. Bosniaks benefited from Croatian assistance by several orders of magnitude more than they suffered from the short Croat-Bosniak conflict, militarily, politically, and even humanitarianly, as hundreds of thousands of refugees from war in Bosnia were sheltered in Croatia during the war. So it's incredibly disingenuous to play the victim and act as if the war was poor Bosniaks suffering from Croats and Serbs working together against them (as if there were no cases of Bosniaks working with Serbs against Croats), when by far (and it's not even close) the most support Bosniaks got from the war was from Croats. Even if Croats did not work against Bosniaks, if Croats literally just stood by and did nothing, like Bosniaks did in 1991 for Croats, Serbs would have crushed them. As for weak central institutions - that's by design, something Croats want and Bosniaks oppose. And just because it's largely true does not mean that Bosniak nationalists are not trying to change it, and that Bosnian Croats are in the wrong for opposing. You don't need a unitary state to combat corruption, there are plenty of countries with decentralized authority that have pretty low corruption, and most heavily authoritarian, centralized countries tend to be pretty heavily corrupt.
+>>58062436
+Well I'm glad you openly admit that you have no interest in Bosnia as the state that it currently exists and want to topple it and establish a Bosniak ethnostate in its place, that ranks you among like top 10% least dishonest Bosniak nationalists.
+--- 58062696
+>>58060390
+>your ultimate goal is no different than that of Serbs during the war
+So Bosniaks want to enslave one third of Bosnian-Croats, kill another third and ransom and expel the last third? Do you seriously believe that?
+
+>you want full control of Bosnia
+Ah okay, here's what I want: I want courts that actually prosecute crimes, roads that get "fixed" at 3 times the actual price to not crumble after 2 years, primary schools that have heating in winter, hospitals where you don't wait for 6 months to get an MRI and where you don't need to bring your own bandages and needles (even though you pay a third of your salary to health-insurance without an opt-out,) the highest officials in the country to not openly collude with neighboring states to rob the country that pays their salary blind, I want a fucking highway and raw sewage to not be dumped into every river.
+
+Also my vote counting 5 times less and election laws not getting changed by decree 4 hours after I've cast my vote when that isn't enough would be nice.
+
+So what exactly do Bosnian Croats want? Local self rule? They already got that. Quotas and veto powers on the national level? They already got that. Cushy government jobs and handouts? They already got that. What? What would make Bosnian Croats (and Serbs) happy? You and I both know the answer: to tear apart the country (kill anyone who opposed if need be.) Well that ain't going to happen without another big fight. And who the fuck wants that? Who's going to be better off at the end? Okay, let's keep the current system in place, but for fucks sake: try not voting for the same people that have made your country the poorest and most corrupt on the continent for 25 years.
+
+>and you're impotently coping and seething everyone else won't roll over 
+For over a hundred years 10 times the number of people that live in Bosnia have tried to eradicate the country, with the assent of even more. So far it hasn't happened. So yeah, we're beating the odds.
+--- 58062834
+>>58062696
+This is a very interesting way of framing it. You're talking as if Bosniaks just want a free, democratic, wealthy, not corrupt, etc. etc. etc. society, while it's evil Croats and Serbs keeping them down. But surely if this was the case, in territories where Bosniaks have absolute political power, if that was what Bosniaks wanted, these regions would be prosperous and corruption-free, while, say, Croat ones were more backwards, corrupt, and poor. But is that the case? Are Bosniaks noticeably more prosperous and less corrupt than Bosnian Croats? And if not, how does giving more power to corrupt Bosniaks accomplishes any goal other than that of Bosniak nationalists?
+--- 58062922
+>>58062639
+Still haven't given an explanation for why Tuđman-Karadžić was okay and neighborly even before the war started in Croatia, let alone Bosnia.
+
+>when Bosniaks stood by and did absolutely nothing
+Did Croatia rush to Slovenia's aid immediately? Did you rush to the aid of Kosovo? What the fuck are you even talking about? Bosnia wasn't even an independent country yet. And when it was it immediatley had its hands full. And even then the Bosnian army participated in chasing out Serbs out of Croatia. I didn't object to Croatia not coming to Bosnia aid unreservedly (nobody could have expected that) what I objected to is Croatian leadership literally attacking Bosnia. Hell, even that's in the past - fuck it. But you wanting props for "well, at least we stopped when the Americans whacked us on the head" is really the cherry on top.
+
+>Croatian assistance...
+I never said Bosnia and Croatia weren't and shouldn't be natural allies and try to get along. But that idea always runs against the Croatian idea of "well, maybe we could fuck them over instead." It's not a one-off thing: it's a constant thread in Bosnia-Croatia relations. The whole point is that Bosniaks have good reasons to be wary of Croatian intentions. Reservations that were laid aside time and time again - and every time the result was more obstruction.
+
+>As for weak central institutions - that's by design
+No, the courts not even investigating a 6b$ theft is not by design.
+
+>You don't need a unitary state to combat corruption
+You need a functional one, one that isn't constantly distracted by the question of survival. Again, why then do Croats consistently vote against anti-corruption legislation?
+
+>you have no interest in Bosnia as the state
+Yeahhhh, sure.
+>establish a Bosniak ethnostate
+The eternal boogeyman, you know that saying about projection? What in your opinion would a "Bosniak ethnostate" entail?
+--- 58062993
+>>58060390
+>>58062639
+You're full of shit. I'm an American and I've had the unfortunate experience of doing academic research on the political and legal system of Bosnia over the last 10 years. I've visited the country as well and for the most part what the other anon is saying is absolutely right. There is no legal or moral grounds for what the nationalist elements of the Croat people in Bosnia are pushing in Bosnia (as well as the neighborhing state of Croatia depending on its government). I was surprised when I read about the recent law change implanted by the OHR, its my personal and professional opinion that the US risks losing a key ally and friendly regime in the region because of Croat autism and screeching and their German Cathcuck helpers. There is no other word to describe what has been implemented but apartheid. It was a mistake to allow the OHR to be appointed by the European Council, and a mistake that will bite US foreign policy in the ass. We should've never allowed the Germans or any European to influence the political happenings in Bosnia as they have at numerous times shown their lack of objectivity and impartiality. The state department of the US should've been the sole supranational authority in Bosnia. We can blame Clintons foreign policy for this mess. Croats to a lesser extent and Serbs to a greater extent have breached the Dayton peace agreement numerous times and there have been no repercussions. They have politically done everything in bad faith in regards to constructing a functional and prosperous state in Bosnia. What amazed me the most in Bosnia is the amount of self sabotage Croats and Serbs are willing to commit, to make their lives poor and unbarebale just to spite some fictitious islamist central government. I know this board is full of anti kebab memers but if you're an American the Bosnians are our only allies in this clusterfuck, they're the only ones willing to compromise and secure a better future and protect our interests.
+--- 58063042
+>>58062922
+Bosniak nationalists are literally depriving Croats from their legally recognized political representation within the Bosnian presidency as we speak and you're talking about it being a boogeyman. Amazing. Maybe Bosnian Croats would be more willing to trust their Bosniaks neighbors if such blatant violations of their rights were not happening?
+>>58062993
+t. Halid Hadzhifejzovich of Illinois Canton
+--- 58063255
+>>58039141 (OP)
+I would shoot nerf darts onto her boobies
+--- 58063314
+>>58063042
+Can you just show us one example of said Bosnian islamism and nationalism? All I see is Croats trampling any sense of universal and equal sufferage? One croat vote is now equal to 20 Bosnian votes not the other way around. Anon not everyone live in the shithole that is Lvno, just because someone is for the rational option doesnt mean hes not a third party observer. You do realize that the US government really likes to know how well their pet projects are doing? I had to visit and gather data from every cantonal shithole and the turdpile that is the serb entity. Most of it is public knowledge so you're free to look it up, it's quite intresting how in total the Bosnian Croat Federation has twice the GDP per capita of the Serb entity and twice as less government debt per capita. If we go to the cantonal level, sure there is a croat economic hub in west herzegovina but most of that comes purely from trade with Croatia proper (and their large gambling industry) and from Croats filling the bureaucracy way out of proportion to their populations, which is illegal but the OHR doesnt seem to care even tho the US embassy has repeatedly pointed this out. I just cant understand why you would employ a large portion of your small population in the bureaucracy of a country you claim is too centralized and must be dismantled, pure hypocrisy. However most industrial and economic output of Bosnia is now centred in the muslim areas. In regards to the bosnians not being any better in terms of the rule of law thats absolutely false. The Bosnian areas generally had fair and free elections something that cant be argued in the serb entity. They also have a genuine political spectrum with regular changes in government if anyrhing they are objectively the most developed and democratic. Please try to persuade me otherwise anon, the data is not on your side.
+--- 58063368
+>>58058346
+>as an ethnic Serb
+
+Pavelic should have finished the job.
+--- 58063581
+>>58063314
+I might be willing to take your ten years of academic research more credibly if you were able to differentiate between Bosniak and Bosnian. I've already given you the ultimate example of Bosniak nationalism, literal political disenfranchisement of other ethnicities. You just choose to say it doesn't count because you disagree with the political system of the country. You claim to be an American, right? Every American state has two senators, California (population: forty million) and Idaho (population: two million), each have two. Are Idahoans trampling on any sense of universal and equal suffrage by having greater representation in proportion of their population? Should it be okay for four million Californians to take a trip to Idaho every election season to vote there and outvote the actual population those seats are supposed to represent? As for Islamism, you're the only one who's been bringing it up, I've not mentioned it once.
+--- 58063747
+>>58063581
+I use the terms broadly especially when referring to the supporters of the central government. I know that you've been pushing the usage of muslim or Bosniak exclusively in order to portray the central government as a unitary one. You know there are Bosnians who are not muslim or Bosniak. You're absolutely wrong tho. The US house of representatives is more or less equal in terms of voting power. Each member of congress is proportionally elected, district lines are drawn to encompass a rough average number of people ensuring everyones vote counts regardless of ethnicity. This is far from the case in Bosnia, Croats are a declining population with at most ~15% of the population yet they wish represtation in 33% of the government at least with unquestioned veto powers. What you are trying you equate is, for example, if the great state of Connecticut and the great state of Massachusetts were able to veto any bill the federal government wanted to pass and if the vote of the average raggie from CT was equal to 20 other votes from other states. Its pure bullshit and unsustainable. Now you're deflecting the propaganda Croats push all the time about the islamization of Bosnia. If they're not going to implement a medieval islamic government or do anything to threaten Croat people then why must you have such disproportionate power in the politics of Bosnia? Buddy it seems like you're the one with limited knowledge and education in regards to this topic.
+--- 58063793
+>>58039141 (OP)
+>took 3 months and 20+ SA6 missiles to shoot down a single Croatian crop duster rigged as a boiler bomber
+Both.
+--- 58063903
+>>58063747
+Why are you talking about House of Representatives in a reply to a post talking about Senate representation. Do you think the position of three person Bosnian presidency, which was deliberately set up to have three members to represent three main nationalities of the country, has more to do with US Senate, set up in a way to give every state in the federal republic equal representation, or do you think that position has more in common with the House of Representatives and that Bosnia has no parliamentary equivalent of its own? As for Islamism, the only time I have brought up Islamism in this entire thread was when I said in my previous reply to you that I have not once brought up Islamism in this thread. Are you even a real person or am I talking to a bot? How did you get past the Captcha?
+--- 58064205
+>>58044186
+It isn't as based as it's depicted in Russian and Chinese propaganda and I wish it was.
+--- 58064324
+>>58062993
+the most retarded part is that bosnian and croatian national interests are almost perfectly aligned:
+>both want to firmly be in the western sphere of influence
+>both don't really want to acquire any territory except some microscopic squabbles over the border
+>both are wary of serbia and supportive of montenegro and albania
+>both have extensive ties with austria and germany
+>they're each others biggest trade partner and share most of their borders
+literally the only reason they're at odds is that for 30 years the croats in bosnia have been on auto-pilot and are still acting like herzegovina is going to join croatia any day now - something that croatia would firmly refuse if they had any semblance of sanity or self-interest.
+--- 58064530
+>>58063903
+Are you retarded? I'm talking about the house of representatives because its the directly elected legalislative branch of government (senatorial elections are now as well but originally they were appointed by state legislature), and even in the case of senators they are now elected by a direct popular vote, meaning all persons with state residency have an equal vote. Furthermore, considering your gross stupidity in regards to both the US and Bosnian political system, you do realize that the closest thing to a senate in the Bosnian political system is "The house of peoples" in which each ethnic group including Croats have 5 delegates and those ethnic delegate "clubs" have veto powers. Tell me how the Bosniaks are disenfranchising you from this institution since we're already comparing two disparate political systems? You do realize that Bosniaks aren't getting in their car and driving to canton number 10 and outvoting the Croats? You simply dont possess the demographics anymore and Bosniaks are simply using the legal system, which you agreed to, in order to have a functional government. The thing is you simply want the Croat nationalist coalition to be mandated seats in every level of government instead of being elected by popular vote. Sure Im now a bot, you first accused me of being a Bosnian but I guess you beliebe they cant argue this well so it has to be a bot it cant be some foreigner who has had to walk thru the shitpile you made.
+
+>>58064324
+Exactly this, its retarded and disruptive to US policy and even EU intrests. There really is no reason for this infighting when both sides will gain massive benefits from cooperation. I genuinely believe there is some Russian meddling and influence in Croat and German political to destabilize Bosnia and the Balkans.
+--- 58064615
+>>58061934
+Kill all the shqiptars as well and we have a deal
+--- 58064644
+>>58045992
+More that American military and civil leadership was staggeringly inept and kept insane RoE that didn't really allow for the war to be concluded in any way except one side getting tired and giving up. Considering the Vietnamese LIVED there and were already used to years of fighting the French, the outcome was almost guaranteed.
+
+Vietnam was a big come-to-Jesus moment for how the US military approached war. Unfortunately a good number of the men who made it such a disgrace were not dislodged, let alone held accountable.
+--- 58064694
+>>58063042
+>Bosniak nationalists are literally depriving Croats from their legally recognized political representation
+No they're not. If they were, the constitutional court and the European court for human rights would step in. Željko Komšić is a Croat. The criteria for being recognized as a Croat and being given a Croatian passport is literally just to have been baptized - which he is. Also let's dwell for a second on how weird it is that the weight of your vote and eligibility for political positions and government jobs is determined by whether or not you've been baptized - in a modern European country, with the full approval (and insistence in the case of Germany) of the EU.
+
+>if such blatant violations of their rights were not happening
+Bosnian Croats are practically a protected species: they get 33% of political power plus veto rights nationally, they make up 25% of government jobs (a government they claim to hate.) Despite being 15% (at the very most - probably even less than 10%) of the population. They've even been given a monopoly on legal gambling just so they'd vote for not letting infants die from lack of healthcare due to the expiration of a previous birth certificates bill. To repeat a previous question: What more do you want? What more would it take for Bosnian Croats to stop stubbornly obstructing every single reform agenda like they have been doing for over 25 years? When will we see a Croat "yea" regarding the anti-corruption bill that has been on the table for over a decade? What would that take? Is giving Europol access to all financial transaction involving Bosnian elected officials an attack on the sovereign rights of the holy Croat people?
+--- 58064983
+>>58064530
+Ironic that someone who talks so much about retardation doesn't even possess the mental faculties to be able to comprehend the comparison between political enfranchisement based on locality and political enfranchisement based on nationality and act as if these two are so wholly incomparable. Bosnian presidency was created to represent each of the three nationalities with one president. Do you think Croats were 33% of the Bosnian population when the system was created? Do you think all US states had the exact same population when the two senators system was created? I used that as a comparison because it's an apt comparison. Just liked United States was created as a federal republic of many states and they were all given equal amount of senators as a way to signify the equality between the states, so was Bosnia after the war set up as a country where three nationalities are equal and each get their own president as their representative. 
+>>58063747
+>>58064530
+Croats lost their presidential representative due to a loophole and have been disenfranchised. You can keep coping and seething with BUT WHY DO YOU NEED THAT YOU DON'T DESERVE THAT THE COUNTRY SHOULD NOT WORK THE WAY IT WAS DESIGNED TO WORK IT SHOULD WORK THE WAY BOSNIAK NATIONALISTS WANT IT TO WORK all you want, that doesn't change the facts on the ground.
+>Heh, we didn't actually steal that slot by finding a quisling to do our bidding, we're just following the letter of the law heh not our problem the law was made that way :^) :^) :^)
+And I guess it's not the Croats or the Serbs problem that they're able to blockade and undermine your political processes either, it's the way the system work and they're just gaming it just like everyone else :^) :^) :^)
+--- 58065707
+>>58064983
+Why not answer my question about what Bosnian Croats actually want, I asked you multiple times: >>58064694, >>58062696
+>So what exactly do Bosnian Croats want? Local self rule? They already got that. Quotas and veto powers on the national level? They already got that. Cushy government jobs and handouts? They already got that. What? What would make Bosnian Croats (and Serbs) happy?
+They had all that for 20 years and still tried to run the country into the gutter at every opportunity and attempted secession.
+
+>finding a quisling to do our bidding
+What makes Komšić more of a "quisling" than Čović. Komšić fought for his country on the front lines and lives in a flat he inherited from his dad, Ćović commanded a concentration camp and stole government property via dodgy privatizations, he lives in private bond villain compound and rerouted a river (illegally) to improve his view. Is working for your country to the best of your ability an act of treason? But you said that Croats always act in good faith. Name one law that Komšić passed that could even remotely be interpreted to be against the interest of Bosnian Croats.
+
+Also please get around to commenting on Tuđman-Milošević pact and hrvatska samouprava insurrection. Those are actual historical events and facts as opposed to your "only Bosnian nationalists want a functional government" mantra.
+
+>Do you think Croats were 33% of the Bosnian population when the system was created?
+No, they were in armed insurrection against the legally recognized state of Bosnia and Herzegovina (for which they themselves voted 3 years earlier.) They were awarded with gibs by the West because it was hoped it'd make them calm down and because they're Catholics. And even then Bosniaks didn't have a problem with that for 20 years until they finally realized that Croats will always and forever vote for fucking the country just to spite "the muslims."
+--- 58065805
+>>58064983
+>croats do "bothering by the book" (also a fair bit of "bothering through blatantly illegal means like open rebellion") for 25 years
+>"what the fuck are you going to do about it you stupid bosniaks :^) :^) :^)"
+
+>bosniaks finally start doing the same in response after trying a quarter century of concessions and compromises
+>"how fucking dare you!!!!!1111 help! help! genocide!!!!"
+--- 58065822
+>>58064983
+>someone is a quisling if they work in the best interest of the country they're president of
+--- 58065852
+>>58064983
+>And I guess it's not the Croats or the Serbs problem that they're able to blockade and undermine your political processes either
+They're also your political processes retard. That's the whole point: You are such a bitter cunt that you're willing to burn down your own house as long as your neighbours house also burns down. And then you're insulted and outraged when your neighbours are suspicious of you.
+--- 58065854
+>>58064983
+Dude can you even read english? I understand you're ESL but what seems to be the issue? You have your member of the presidency, it just happens hes not a member of the Croat nationalist coalition. You are acting as if Komsic did not win in Croat majority municipalities as well. Its funny how drastic the distinction between Herzegovina and Central/North Bosnia Croats are. Not every Croat is in favor of HDZ, Bosniaks might be using a loophole but to claim Komsic is a muslim agent is just absurd. Furthermore you fail to realize what I have just told you previously, the election of the presidency member does not impact the delegates in the upper house of parliament, the majority of which are still HDZ in the Croat club, and which have very large veto and stalling powers. Furthermore you keep comparing it to the US however the US is not a hybrid regime that evolved out of the dissolution of a communist state and survived a war. You made your bed now lay in it. Unlike alleged Bosniak "meddling", Croat and Serb obstruction of the state is very clearly illegal and all parties to the dayton agreement should be concerned. To be a senator from any US state its not legally binding that you are baptised or an ethnic angloamerican, neither do you have to be an ethnic angloamerican to vote for the said candidate. You keep repeating the issue of the presidency while ignorning everything else of significance. You are claiming oppression while being the oppressors. For 9% of the population you've got a pretty good deal already, theres a reason HDZ has been delaying and rejecting any census. Its been like a decade since the last one yet only Bosnian politicians seem to want one, I wonder why.
+--- 58065878
+I went to Serbia and everyone was really nice.
+--- 58066193
+>>58065707
+Bosnian Croats want to maintain their own political and cultural autonomy and their legally recognized rights which Bosniak nationalists are encroaching upon.
+>>58065805
+So much about the epic "We're all in this together we gotta overcome petty differences and work together" grandstanding, huh? "It's okay when we make a mockery of the legal system but when you do it's an attack on democracy! You've had it coming for not immediately folding to our demands in the first place! Look what you made me do to you!" 
+>>58065822
+>heh if I reframe this from an ethnic conflict and try to center the interests of one ethnic group's nationalists as the interests of the state then a traitor to the other ethnic group is actually a patriot putting aside petty personal interests for the good of all
+>>58065852
+>how dare you not put the fire out on my house while I'm trying to burn down yours you have to put aside your personal grievances and work for the better of all (not me though)
+>>58065854
+Croats don't have a member of the presidency you illiterate imbecile, the """Croat""" in the presidency is a Bosniak plant who works in their interests and is largely supported by Bosniaks, who form the basis of his political support. Bosniaks are his constituency, not Croats.
+>You made your bed now lay in it.
+Sure, this goes for everyone involved. Bosniaks can keep coping and seething over """institutional paralysis""" all they want. :^) 
+Also, we're down to 9%? Damn, it keeps getting lower with every subsequent post. Hopefully there will be at least one Croat left by the time this thread archives.
+--- 58066218
+>>58065878
+I guess all the Bosnian women and children were really rude
+
+they probably deserved it
+--- 58066231
+>>58065878
+ye, they were beaten into submission
+--- 58066436
+>>58066193
+Dude just name one law they passed that takes away Croats cultural and legal rights. Just a single law just find one, I dont know where to begin in regards to laws that exclusively benefit Croats. Everything from legal gambling to your export of electricity to Croatia below market price. You're using very weak strawman and emotional arguments trying to fit the narrative you're pushing. What demands? The demand from the central government that you dont secede? Wow I guess the Bosnians should've given you that as well, why dont they wipe your asses and clean your shoes while they're at it. If you really think Komsic is a Bosniak-Islamist plant you're fucking insane. You don't have to believe me, you're free to look up the elections results of the past two elections and see who voted for him and let me tell you it wasn't a bunch of Wahabis but Croats from northern and central Bosnia as well as various larger cities that have Croat minorities. Sure some Bosniaks voted for him but not enough to splinter a unified Croat vote, yet your vote clearly wasnt unified. Yes the state is the most important in the hierarchy of interests, youve signed allegiance to the central government and state in 1993 and 1995. Nice ad hominem but im not ESL. You've also failed to refute anything I have stated in regards to the bicameral nature of the Bosnian parliament. Institutonal paralysis is a violation of the signed agreements tho, youre only luck is that a German cuck is the HR, you might be a zoomer but dont you remember what Paddy Ashdown did to your sepratist sparks in the early 00s? You might be down to 6% who knows, Croatian interior ministry estimates puts you around 9% but hey why dont you guys agree to a census and we'll be sure. All of this is just seething and coping to the fact that demographics arent working out for you buddy. I guess the memes were right you guys are femboys.
+--- 58066527
+>>58066436
+>starts the post with wow what rights of yours are being taken away
+>ends the post with HAHA YOU ARE DYING OUT AND BEING REPLACED
+lol
+lmao
+least disingenuous bosniak nationalist
+also whats with your obsession with islamism my dude do you actually want me to call you an islamist so you can go on a rant about how islam will dominate the world or something whats up with that
+very weird
+i would rather call you a fascist or something because of your insane claim that ones loyalty belongs first and foremost to their state above all else (btw how come this doesnt apply to you bosniak nationalists why does loyalty to the state not matter when youre trying to overthrow and replace the established order)
+--- 58066541
+>>58066193
+>Bosnian Croats want to maintain their own political
+Are Bosnian Croats not free to form political parties, vote and hold office? If by autonomy you mean "our own para-state" or "break away" - too bad, not without a war. The constitution says so.
+>and cultural autonomy
+What the hell does that mean? Is the Croatian language outlawed in Bosnia? Or is Croatian literature? Didn't Bosniaks immediately vote for a bill that gave the Catholic church special privileges as soon as the Croats put it forward? Oh by the way, the identical bill giving the Islamic society those same rights is being vetoed for a decade by Croats - you know in the spirit of building trust. Do you have any idea how much the government spends on supporting Bosnian Croat national institutions like Napredak?
+>and their legally recognized rights.
+Be specific.
+
+>if I reframe this from an ethnic conflict
+Nigga, not everything needs to a conflict. That's the whole fucking point. You don't want to participate in government, you want to wreck the country (which you also live in, genius plan by the way) and then throw a fit when someone calls you on it.
+
+>It's okay when we make a mockery of the legal system but when you do it's an attack on democracy
+I know causality is a bit of a tricky concept: but which came first matters. Also which was more intense and pervasive also matters. Also the fact that Bosniaks never once did something illegal while - for the fourth time: Croats started an open rebellion against the state in 2003, after just having finished an armed one.
+
+>how dare you not put the fire out on my house while I'm trying to burn down yours
+Yeah a bill that curbs money laundering is "burning down the Croats house." Very telling. Also the one that makes fighting wildfires easier (which disproportionately affects Croat majority areas) was widely supported by Bosniaks and opposed by Serbs, while Croats absented. Literally the example I was describing. You're lapsing into non-sequiturs.
+--- 58066579
+>>58066193
+>we're down to 9%? Damn, it keeps getting lower
+Yeah, it does. Literally by the month. Guess purposefully helping tank the Bosnian economy and rule of law while handing out Croatian EU passports to all Bosnian Croats was not, in fact, a 5D chess move. If you want to prove me wrong, call up your parliamentary representative and demand he sign the law for the new census. It's been on his desk for years and somehow he/she never got around to it. Again retard: its your country too, who digs a pit for others tends to stumble into it himself.
+--- 58066580
+>>58043496
+>Croatia had solid, well equipped and experienced army by 95,
+Equipped and trained by NATO (MPRI = CIA)
+--- 58066583
+>>58066541
+Yeah, we're just looping at this point. If you're not going to acknowledge Bosniak nationalist usurpation of the Croatian seat in the Bosnian presidency then there is really no point i continuing the discussion. You disagree with the way Bosnia was set up and think it's okay to exploit legal loopholes when it suits your nationalistic interests, but cope and seethe about how unfair it is when others don't bend over to you.
+--- 58066596
+>>58066579
+So if it's all true, why do you keep coping and seething about evil Croats not playing along with your nationalist demands? Just wait until like 2025 when the last Bosnian Croats dies out according to your projections and you have the entire Federation to yourself.
+--- 58066633
+>>58066527
+>it's the bosniaks fault we're not making enough kids.
+>it's the bosniaks fault croatia handed out passports like candy to us and half of us left for ireland.
+--- 58066701
+>>58066633
+>dude you croats are paranoid we don't want to oppress you we just want an open democratic society where we can all live together in love and peace and AHAHAHAHA YOU'RE DYING OUT WE ARE REPLACING YOU AHAHAHA wtf why are you pointing this out as an example of my disingenuousness it's not like we're at the fault here all I'm doing is jacking off to my fantasies of your extinction why are you using my own words to cast doubt on my claim I want us all to cast aside petty nationalism and live as equals
+amazing
+--- 58066780
+>>58066583
+>acknowledge Bosniak nationalist usurpation of the Croatian seat
+You're right, we are looping. But we could have avoided that if you answered a question from my first post: Why did Bosnian Croats obstruct pretty much every law and institution for 20 years and try to secede 10 years before a non-nationalist Croat was voted into the presidency? What is your explanation for that? What, after 25 years you would have started playing nice? Or maybe after 50? You're not playing naive, you're just being silly at this point.
+
+>You disagree with the way Bosnia was set up 
+That too, I think anyone with half a brain would agree an internationally recognized states constitution being forcefully changed without a plebiscite after years of ethnic cleansing and genocide is a bad way to set up a country. But that's not even my main point (despite you trying to pretend otherwise) - my main point is that Bosnia would have been a much better country to live in for everyone, even with the shitty system, if all parties tried to work in good faith. Something no one can seriously claim Bosnian Croats or Bosnian Serbs ever did. Bosniak political representatives have plenty of faults - but we voted ours out of office 3 or 4 times (SDA, SDP, SDA, SBiH, SDP again, Trojka.) While with you it was (HDZ, armed insurrection, HDZ, civil insurrection, HDZ, HDZ.)
+
+>>58066596
+Because I actually like Bosnia. A bunch of my countrymen moving to Ireland is not how I prefer things to go. I know you can't picture that and will accuse me of lying but there it is. So much money, time, effort and so many people are being lost for a pipe-dream (muh Herceg-Bosna) that will never happen by people who don't even believe in it - they simply know that if Bosnia ever becomes a state with proper rule of law they'll end up in the slammer. If that's the way you want it to go: okay, I'll call you fucking stupid.
+--- 58066833
+>>58066701
+Just because I'm stating a fact - to illustrate how retarded and self-defeating the once and future Bosnian Croat leadership (I'm sure you'll find a way to cybernetically preserve Ćović into the next millennium) is; that doesn't mean it was part of a master plan to fuck you over. You did it to yourself. And you've been warned, for decades, that that's what you're fucking doing.
+
+To go back to the "burning down your own house to also burn down the neighbours house" analogy: if you give yourself third degree burns after attempting that stunt - it's not suddenly your neighbours fault if he vistis you in hospital to call you fucking stupid. Maybe a bit of a dick move, but then again, trying to burn down someones house is an even bigger dick move.
+--- 58067518
+>>58049197
+The lesson they learned from Bosnia is that they need to be more responsive and be more quick about it.
+--- 58067782
+>>58049197
+NATO doesn't just defend it's member countries, it defends the current world order. a major part of that is "start shit, get hit." trying to change borders in Europe by force is a big no, no. the question is rather: why did it take so long for NATO to do shit. the answer is a combination of:
+>trying to get their bearings in a post cold war world
+>trying to please the new r*ssia, 50 years of dick-measuring was thought to be enough
+>trying to let the Europeans stand on their own feet and handle shit
+>somewhat friendly relations with Yugoslavia carried over to the s*rbs who successfully presented themselves as a reasonable partner fighting insurgents
+>the attitude of "the west has won, everything will straighten itself out after a period of chaos in eastern Europe, so why worry"
+>the common error of assuming everyone is a rational actor
+Kosovo is pretty much when everyone figured out "yeah, that appeasement shit's not going to work. the end of history is postponed for a while at least."
+--- 58068006
+>>58039227
+>>58039233
+Serbs can’t read
+--- 58069319
+>>58039813
+Look at the seething serbniggers
+You're 100% right.
+--- 58069387
+>>58039169
+Show shitty tat
+--- 58070065
+>>58066701
+Nobody wants you extinct, you're doing it yourself. Croats and Bosniaks need to cooperate in order to construct a better future in Bosnia, their intrests are aligned since they are pro-western. However Croat nationalists have been obstructing this for decades with no tangible benefit for the people, so its not surprising when the Bosniaks do everything they can to support Croat politicians they can actually cooperate with. If some dude wants to castrate himself into a femboy you're most likely gonna say dude what the fuck stop what are you doing you're not gonna support him. You've been arguing with several people in this thread and still havent pointed out one single discriminatory law thats even been considered in the legislature. A census every decade is not against Croat national intrest. You keep talking about the Presidency but that just shows a gross misunderstanding of the political system. You still have the ability to veto legislature in regards to "vital national intrest" in the upper house of parliament, most members of your delegates being HDZ. If you're saying Komsic is somehow an illegal Croat member of the presidency I advise you to look at the data of both this and the previous election, Komsic has been a significant political option for decades now and has a wide basis of support in areas where Croats are either mixed heavily with Bosniaks (such as in the north) or where Croats are in enclaves such as in central Bosnia. This Croat constituency realizes the need for cooperation and a functioning state, something west Herzegovina croats think they are shielded from. Im assuming you're a diaspora Croat or from Croatia proper because you should have a greater understanding of the political system you live in if you're in Bosnia.
+--- 58070578
+>>58039141 (OP)
+>thread starts out as a Serb hate thread
+>quickly devolves into Croats and Bosniaks sperging-out on each other
+You balkaniggers really do all hate eachother. It's honestly kinda impressive
+--- 58070605
+>>58040425
+We weren't the ones forcing men to bite off the cocks of other men in concentration camps just for funsies, we were the ones who came in and stopped all those lovely war crimes you were committing and trying to cover up.
+--- 58070936
+>>58070578
+The saddest part is, they all have legitimate reasons to distrust each other.

k/58041216.txt

@@ -333,3 +333,64 @@ cope harder trooncel
 Now yer talkin'!
 --- 58058598
 >>58041216 (OP)
+--- 58059027
+>>58041216 (OP)
+> pic
+girl on the bottom left would be OK with a better hairstyle and some makeup
+--- 58059133
+>>58057568
+Sweaty, this bait is low quality and beneath me. Do better.
+--- 58059175
+>>58057568
+>>58057779
+Absolutely riveting debate, i say live free or cope hard.
+--- 58060066
+>>58050219
+What needs food to grow? Correct, water.
+
+Real men use swords.
+--- 58060810
+>>58060066
+meds
+--- 58061226
+>>58058598
+now that's metal
+--- 58062046
+>>58057568
+You mean ironically correct you fucking retard.
+--- 58062216
+>>58041216 (OP)
+Handguns are not metal just get a MP 40
+--- 58064986
+>>58062216
+This
+--- 58065412
+>>58041717
+Based
+--- 58065504
+>>58041216 (OP)
+deagle brand deagle
+--- 58067165
+>>58041338
+based
+--- 58067574
+>>58042340
+>'ru filename
+you tried, basedcuck.
+--- 58067608
+>>58067574
+I save and post images with unaltered 'ru filenames and look like this
+--- 58069154
+>>58044536
+Everyone else after were bigger faggots
+--- 58069719
+>>58041216 (OP)
+
+unironically deagle brand deagle
+--- 58069758
+>>58041502
+why do sand niggers have dark areas around their eyes?
+are these thr spots where they start to degenerate into full nigers?
+--- 58070627
+>>58060810
+Stop mobbing me, you haider. If you ever think you have it bad, just look up drachenlord the most hated streamer in germany.

k/58042577.txt

@@ -964,3 +964,170 @@ Temper, temper!
 >>58050595
 I would guess an Italian FREMM would have it easier since with the guided rounds she could shell from far over Iowa's max range, plus OTOMAT can pack a punch at least over the water line.
 Do you recon you could disable radars/antennas + secondary battery and get in range for torpedoes if it was a night attack?
+--- 58059181
+Iowa is OP as fuck
+How can other botes even compete.
+--- 58059580
+>>58042577 (OP)
+best hope you'd have would be to penn the turrets and set off the ammunition/powder bags or start a fire that would do so. a hellfire could easily cut through the armor of any battleship (iirc 1.8m rha rated), however vital spaces were well separated from the hull because battleships were fuckhuge and that's what would be the problem. so not so much the armor, but too much distance for the jet to cover after the armor had been penetrated in order to hit something combustible enough to do damage. it would be like driving nails into a tree. easily done but not going to acheive much.
+--- 58059593
+>>58043146
+>Not going through the Iowa’s armor belt.
+going right through it like it's not even there, anon. an abrams frontal glacis is more armor than any battleship ever made.
+--- 58059651
+>>58057579
+Sure, eventually, but it had surface and air search radars of sufficient capability to target aircraft at the ranges discusses here.
+--- 58059794
+>>58048420
+
+Fun scenario.
+Assuming I can get targeting data from somewhere, I'm going with 10 Mi-26, each carrying 2 Rapid Dragon 6 tube modules (Unfortunately it looks like the Chinook interior bay is 1ft too narrow for a Rapid Dragon module). Each Red Dragon module loaded with AGM-158C LRASM. 
+I love battleships, but I think 120 of those launched from would do the job.
+If I can't get targeting data from somewhere, then let me know and I will rethink.
+--- 58059848
+>>58048420
+10 Apaches with AM39 Exocets. Or even just 1 Apache with Exocets… not sure why helicopter launched AShMs aren’t getting mentioned as the ship obliterates they are
+--- 58059856
+>>58050627
+>how are they going to fire AShMs with a range of 50 kilometers at a ship??!?!?
+lol. lmao even.
+--- 58060324
+>>58059593
+>abrams frontal glacis is more armor than any battleship ever made.
+AhahahahahahBahhdjrh2jdvb
+>>58059848
+Apache can't carry Exocet you dummy, those things weigh 1400lbs each and need a launch platform
+--- 58061093
+>>58058692
+The issue with that is that those guided rounds to my knowledge are all either GPS guided which simply aren't suitable for naval use due to both ships moving 30 knots or they are line of sight guide via radar which puts the FREMM well within 16 inch range and 3 inch guns loose that fight. It's not like the Iowa can't fight over the horizon either. As for impact yeah you could do some damage with a rapid fire 3 inch guns. The biggest issue is you have no AP ammo and one you clean out 40mm mounts and the like you aren't going to be able to kill even the secondary turrets
+--- 58063143
+>>58059856
+And they know where this ship is how?
+--- 58064372
+>>58061093
+Well no, to my knowledge (Italian Wikipedia page) the Vulcano rounds for the 127mm are of 3 different types and only one is GPS guided. The BER is a 70km unguided round while the GLR is IR guided and in the 70-90 km range but I doubt it would do much since it's made to explode after pen so not sure it would work against stuff like radars.
+My idyllic plan was then on the line of someone like the F 590 night engaging the Iowa from well over the 16 in's range (of what? 40km) with his 5 in hoping to blind it, shoot her missiles to set it on fire and then hopefully get in the 30-20 km range (so inside the Iowa's secondary battery's range) and torpedo her before she shoots back.
+If it doesn't work just shoot everything from afar hoping it burns down before it can close the distance.
+But yeah best way to take out a battleship would be with planes, definitely not a frigate.
+--- 58064747
+This thread has too much by the books thinking. Hellfire this maverick that bla bla
+
+The answer would clearly be a night attack, have half your choppers kill the radar, and have the other half land some b61s dialed up to maximum yield with timed fuses. It's that easy
+--- 58064805
+>>58064747
+Dunno mate, Mr "let's insert seal team 6 on deck and have him sink the ship" sounded pretty off the book to me.
+--- 58064814
+>>58064747
+And I mean land in the loosest sense. Weld two armed and ticking b61s to the sides of 5 apaches and once the radar is down, crash land those suckers onto the deck
+--- 58064840
+>>58064805
+My idea would work though. That plan is suicide and would fail. Suicide with success is much better
+--- 58064863
+>>58064747
+That's basically the scenarios people have been thinking about but the major issue is what this guy's says here>>58053980 is that in order to actually target those systems you're too close and you're going to get swatted by 5"/38 fire. Helicopters loose one of their biggest advantages at sea since they can't hug terrain like they can on land to do pop ups and stuff
+--- 58064887
+>>58064863
+If the radar can be killed from a distance at night, the effectiveness of those 38s is gonna drop significantly. Coupled with the "unique" delivery method I'm proposing for the b61s, I think it's the best plan so far.
+--- 58064907
+>>58064887
+How are you hitting the radar though? The only weapons the apaches have that are capable of that kind of precision are TOWs and Hellfire both require LOS on the target and that's within range for radar guided 5 inch spam. I know of no helicopter launched HARM systems
+--- 58064993
+>>58064907
+It can work
+
+Maverick range is 22km
+38s at maximum is 16km, and I highly suspect their accuracy at that range.
+
+Hover at 18km, lase the radar, spam the mavs, then suicide your nukes into the ship
+--- 58065003
+Okay, so I decide to nigger-rig my apaches with Walleye II Mk6 nuclear glide bombs. Your move mr. law man
+--- 58065029
+>>58064993
+JAGM-MR would work too if we're disallowing mavericks
+--- 58065089
+>>58042645
+There were proposals to fit it with harpoon missiles for anti-ship duty.
+--- 58065105
+Could one of the modern torpedoes that "snap the boat in half" snap an iowa in half?
+--- 58065141
+Sell the 10 Apaches for 520m, buy 3 f35's, launch 6 agm-158c at it from 200miles away
+--- 58065197
+>>58043127
+Hahaha imagine making such mental gymnastic just to avoid admitting being wrong on an anonymous image board filled with fucking retard neckbeards.
+Hahahaha
+Get a hold of yourself anon. Everyone is wrong some times what the f
+--- 58065236
+>>58043146
+>Iowa
+>300mm armor steel belt
+>hellfires with around 800mm of penetration wont go through this 
+
+alright then
+--- 58065304
+>>58065236
+You're not hitting just a belt though >>58055162
+--- 58065316
+>>58065105
+It's something nobody really knows. Nobody has done tests on what happens when one of those detonates under something with so much deck armor. At the very least, a Mk48 hit is forcing her back to port though
+--- 58065458
+>>58043711
+Navy SEALs will stand down and cower at the command of superior ranking officers.
+
+They will receive non-judicial punishment (NJP) and be forced to swab the deck. Afterwards, they will have to drop and give 'em 50!!!
+
+After they have been busted back down to E-1, they will be forced to work on Kitchen Duty while their shipmates will go out on port calls mingling with the local women!!!!
+
+Jocko Willink and his SEALs teams (also with DJ Shipley and SlayderRaider) will be forced to clean the cum from the deck of the crews quarters, while the commanding officers watch and laugh!!!
+--- 58065606
+The hellfire HEAT missiles can only make small insignificant 800mm deep holes into the battleship. The hellfire high explosive missile if it can defeat the Iowas 300mm armor belt would be the only threat
+--- 58065696
+>>58065304
+Yeah, but that guy was just talking about the belt.
+Doubt it would do any real harm to something that is designed to tank torpedoes 
+
+Best bet would probably be to target important places with the hellfires and start fires with the gun and rockets
+--- 58066061
+>>58058687
+I'm amazed we went this long without any references to that...
+--- 58066190
+>>58042577 (OP)
+>Pictured: Cobra
+Gr8 b8 got me good.
+--- 58066285
+>>58066061
+just how big do you think the captain's erection was when he gave the order for that broadside?
+--- 58066378
+>>58066285
+hopefully flaccid, swatting down idiot gooks who just don't know any better shouldn't do anything, it should be just another Tuesday.
+--- 58066574
+>>58064907
+>How are you hitting the radar though? The only weapons the apaches have that are capable of that kind of precision are TOWs and Hellfire both require LOS on the target and that's within range for radar guided 5 inch spam.
+Be the Iowa's greatest ally so that they won't shoot at you until after you knock out the radar.
+--- 58066759
+>>58066285
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEGrj1Vg19U [Embed]
+--- 58066775
+>>58042577 (OP)
+That's an AH-1 Cobra, not an AH-64.
+--- 58066873
+>>58043172
+bout tree-fiddy
+--- 58066966
+>>58055784
+Explain how a small shaped charge is getting through multiple decks with meters of space between them
+--- 58069706
+>>58042577 (OP)
+Great thread.
+--- 58069775
+>>58042878
+>>58042894
+>>58042895
+technically the AH-1 is built on the same chassis as a UH-1 Iroquois, the same way M7 Priests and M10 Wolverines use the same frame as an M4 Sherman so calling it a Huey isn't entirely inaccurate
+--- 58070002
+>>58069775
+They were also called HueyCobra and variations thereof in the early days. It's a very old design.
+
+https://www.nhahistoricalsociety.org/ah-1g-bell-209-huey-cobra-snake-helicopter/
+--- 58070920
+>>58055632
+Huh, that does make a lot of sense. So for civilian ships you'd only really need to poke a few holes to cause threatening levels of flooding? I guess that explains how Somalian pirates with RPGs are still able to threaten shipping.

k/58043887.txt

@@ -330,3 +330,232 @@ The military turns people into a mix of a fudd and bootlicker where they think t
 --- 58058502
 >>58058412
 Okay, then I suppose I meant 2. It seems unsafe to leave a hammer uncocked, with safety off. It could strike the primer, or something. The safety won't go on unless I full cock it.
+--- 58059615
+>>58043887 (OP)
+G3>FAL
+--- 58059693
+>>58057531
+>penalty of chambering a round on the draw is overstated as a downside.
+>need both hands
+>risk of short stroking the slide due to many variables 
+
+I don’t know, modern well made pistols, in a proper holster, kind of defeats the purpose of carrying condition 3.
+--- 58059707
+>>58058502
+Most modern handguns have a lifter+pin block or some other mechanism that “locks” the firing pin in place unless the trigger is pulled. It’s part of the whole “drop safe” design. The CZ75 P-01 has this, I know the competition models and the B(?) does not, since this mechanism adds a little bit to the trigger pull.
+--- 58059877
+>>58058433
+Fucking this my buddy was the long haired duster with cargo shorts and boots wearing long haired commy, did navy boot got rated into a computer chair(he was already a massive gamer) and now he spews the most braindead gun control devil's advocate Bs and always has a holier than thou attitude cause 'I have a clearance' and daddy gubby tells me I'm a special boy whenever anything military related is discussed. It's super faggy I preferred the cringe commy but I mean he's doing well financially and has a gf and shit so I'm not gonna put him down it's just annoying as fuck talking to him about literally anything anymore it's bleeding into his entire personality.
+--- 58060041
+>>58058412
+what about half-cock?
+--- 58060064
+>>58045220
+it isn’t the case where cans are freely legal because hanging all that weight off the end of every gun is a trade off many don’t want when they can just wear their ears
+--- 58061499
+>>58050064
+I'm in the navy. They gave the grip and slides out in the place I was training at.
+--- 58062335
+>>58061499
+In that case then it's acceptable. I was just assuming they put all that on all the guns
+--- 58062447
+>>58045172
+I love seeing pic related because it's always the first thing 5.56 copers post. "Here's muh 3 examples, thus 7.62x39 is bad round" when it's killed way more people than 5.56 in the grand scheme. There were dudes in theater who dropped their M4's for an AK. Show me the comparison between m855 out of a 16 inch vs 7.62x39 soft point.
+--- 58063323
+>>58043887 (OP)
+They just work, and some of them are fast.
+--- 58064225
+>>58062447
+And there are Spetsnaz that use M4 platform weapons instead of AK’s what’s your point
+--- 58064913
+>>58046346
+That's completely stupid. Like so many of the nigger tier idiot NFA laws it solves actually zero problems. Banning particular types of guns just moves the meta to other guns. You need a comprehensive common sense total gun ban to actually be effective.
+--- 58064980
+>>58064225
+Are you fucking retarded? My point is in my comment. You have the reading comprehension of six year old. Doesn't surprise me though, /k/ got raided by zogbots and redditors. Kill yourself.
+--- 58066063
+>>58043887 (OP)
+>Glocks are the
+Ford Fairmont's in looks.
+--- 58066267
+>>58044203
+>>58053496
+You are now aware of surrogate activities.
+--- 58066282
+>>58046460
+>PROUDLY AMERICAN
+>this is where the rust has chosen to form
+--- 58066531
+>>58043887 (OP)
+a stone beats a stick
+--- 58066597
+Ok then M&P 2.0 gets to tbe the F150
+>American
+>peerless reliability even when it's frozen and covered in mud
+>price competitive for what you get
+yep
+--- 58068361
+What is the 2006 ford focus of firearms?
+--- 58068411
+whats the ibishu pigeon of firearms?
+--- 58068432
+>>58043887 (OP)
+>honda
+you dont drive 4 inches off center because of how unergonomic they are though
+--- 58068438
+>>58057517
+Tons of situations do, you just don't like thinking about self preservation 
+Plenty of MOH recipients were solo in their valorous commitment to protecting others
+--- 58068440
+>>58043887 (OP)
+
+I like grip safetys and wish more guns had them.
+--- 58068469
+>>58068361
+Pic rel, but might be more like the Ford Fiesta
+--- 58068755
+>>58062447
+>"Here's muh 3 examples, thus 7.62x39 is bad round"
+It's not *just* 3 examples. 7.62x39 has notoriously poor terminal ballistics, comparable to handgun cartridges. Compare the ballistics results in pic related, specifically the 5.56 to 7.62 results.
+>it's killed way more people than 5.56 in the grand scheme. 
+And .22 lr has killed more than both. So what?
+>There were dudes in theater who dropped their M4's for an AK
+Yeah, retards. So? There are boomers who swear up and down that their 45 will knock you flat on your feet, but that a 9 will get stopped by a thick jacket. Who cares what idiots think?
+>muh soft point
+And there's the catch. Soft point 7.62 actually does real well. So does soft point 5.56. Again, see pic rel. It's a shame that 95% of 7.62x39 on the market (and 100% of the cheap stuff) is all going to be shitty FMJs.
+--- 58068800
+>>58043887 (OP)
+Not controversial at all. I've always said it was the Toyota Camry of handguns. Reliable but boring.
+--- 58068820
+>>58045407
+>the point of diminishing returns for electro-optics starts at $500
+If you are talking red dots, I would say more like $200.
+--- 58068859
+>>58046346
+Remove the NFA and GCA68 and watch as people can actually experiment with other guns like the MP5 instead of another 11.5 300 Blk AR pistol
+--- 58068871
+>>58068755
+>Compare the ballistics results in pic related
+>features 7.62x39mm loaded with a bullet designed in 1943 and one loaded with a bullet designed in the 1960s being compared to loadings developed as recently as the 2000s
+Really anon?
+
+>It's a shame that 95% of 7.62x39 on the market (and 100% of the cheap stuff) is all going to be shitty FMJs.
+That's pretty much every caliber on the market you fucking retard.
+--- 58068875
+>>58054704
+>The modern day capacity/reload obsession is a fucking meme
+There was actually a statistical study that proved that. I can't remember where I saw it, nor do I have a link, because it was at least 5 years ago. But in a study of like 200 hundred of civilian self defense shootings, there was only once instance of a reload. One. That represents 0.5% (one half of one percent). It simply almost never happened. Someone is going to be shot, maybe both people shot, or one or both people are going to run away. Police shootouts are another story, of course, since they have a duty to resolve the conflict.
+--- 58068887
+>>58058144
+Why the fuck would you be worried about a safety being off when there isn't a round in the chamber?
+--- 58068932
+>>58058412
+Condition two would work for handguns like the 92FS
+Condition one is optimal for 1911s and USPs
+--- 58068935
+>>58043887 (OP)
+Whole conceal carrying, I always have a round in the chamber, but my house guns never do. I keep them with a full magazine, but empty chamber. Something about one in the pipe in the house just seem unnecessary to me. Maybe because my house is basically inpenetrable. I have tripled paned windows with storm windows, always locked, which are high enough off the ground that you would need a step ladder to climb through. And both entrance doors also have the screen doors locked. They are also rigged so that the door knob lock does not turn from the inside, meaning someone could not simply break the window and reach in and unlock the door. The key is necessary. This means they would have to kick in my doors or pry them open, after prying open the screen doors. In other words, to get into my house would make a fuck-ton of noise and I would be wide awake by the time anyone got in.
+--- 58068939
+>>58059877
+I would cut him off from your life
+I couldn't stand being with a toxic fag like him
+--- 58068950
+>>58068935
+I'm kind of the same way too where everything is with a loaded mag and no round in the chamber
+However if riots and shit are going on around the country I will keep them loaded
+Same with hurricanes, I dread being in the aftermath of an Andrew-tier monster
+--- 58068981
+>>58068950
+I agree. And not having a round in the pipe for a house gun also drastically reduces the risk for a ND. Any time I have company, I remove the mags and hide the guns, too, because nogunz are fucking stupid. If they find a gun on accident, their way to "see if it's real" is to pull the trigger. Fucking morons.
+--- 58069029
+>>58068981
+I would smack anyone who got close to my guns without my permission
+--- 58069034
+>>58043887 (OP)
+>ITT: Controversial takes, no matter how retarded
+5.56 ballistics, both external and terminal, are fucking worthless with less than an 18" barrel
+--- 58069055
+>>58068935
+DESU this is pretty reasonable and a lot of people do it like that. My rule of thumb is round in the chamber for an on body gun and out of the chamber for an off body gun. If ive got the time to go grab the gun then i have enough time to chamber a round too, if its an on body gun then i may not but i do sometimes play that by ear like if i felt a need to have an HD gun within reach but trouble didnt seem eminent. It takes time to kick in a front door or break a window and make entry, a lot more time then it takes to run a slide or charging handle and im not tryna have to cycle rounds every week when i relube and run an action or whatever.
+--- 58069064
+>>58059693
+>need both hands
+works on my machine
+--- 58069091
+>>58069034
+Braindead. Look at what a 75gr BTHP or 77gr TMK does at SBR esq impact velocities and get back to me. Nearly fistable holes on target is far from worthless when it comes to terminal effect.
+--- 58069100
+>>58068871
+>>Compare the ballistics results in pic related
+>>features 7.62x39mm loaded with a bullet designed in 1943 and one loaded with a bullet designed in the 1960s being compared to loadings developed as recently as the 2000s
+>Really anon?
+
+Yes really. It's the reality of comparing the most common types of ammo for those rifles. I'm sorry that your beloved 7.62x39 is old as fuck and requires specialty bullets in order to be effective. Maybe you shouldn't be so attached to a cartridge from 1943, as you pointed out. "It's from 1943!!!!11!11!!!" isn't a defense. Modernity is a feature. The fact that most x39 is archaic bullshit with demonstrable shortcomings isn't a feature.
+
+>That's pretty much every caliber on the market you fucking retard.
+Yeah but 5.56 FMJs produce gnarly wounds, and are more viable for actual use. x39 REQUIRES good bullet selection in order to function like a modern fighting rifle. 5.56 does not. I am sorry that you are retarded.
+--- 58069136
+>>58069091
+I didn't say shorter barrels with good ammo did nothing. I just think it's insufficient. If you are going to use a shoulderable gun, use something with some fucking energy and devastation behind it. Short barrel ARs are approaching handgun ballistics at close range, and at extended ranges they are fucking shit.
+--- 58069210
+>>58069100
+>be seriously concerned with terminal ballistics
+>fixate on the open air soft target advantages of FMJ 5.56 when it completely fails to fragment >15% of the time, skyrocketing if you fall out of m193 specs in an unfavorable way
+>MV, jacket thickness, cannelure presence, and bullet geometry all play considerable roles in this and 15% is an optimistic outlook given so many X factors
+>VAST majority of 55gr 5.56 loads completely lack any sort of meaningful testing to establish where they fall in this scheme
+>ignore advantages of 7.62x39 FMJ when it comes to post barrier performance
+Pure autism. You want reliable good terminal performance with either and arent retarded or a coping poorfag then you get a quality SP, BT, or HP regardless. If you use a quality SP, BT, or HP then 7.62x39 absolutely claps all but perhaps a single 5.56 load at typical defensive distances because the increased weight and diameter outweighs the velocity benefits of 5.56. I say this as someone who likes and appreciates pretty much all intermediate calibers for their various benefits(except 5.45 fuck that guy), 7.62x39 and 7.62x35 are absolutely the kings of raw terminal performance at typical defensive ranges when properly loaded and the only competition is the effectively dead 6.8 SPC.
+--- 58069215
+>>58068755
+--- 58069252
+>>58069136
+>nearly fistable holes
+>it's insufficient
+>approaching handgun ballistics
+BRAINDEAD. Heavy for caliber fragmenting rounds in 5.56 produce wound diameters comparable to higher weight retention .308 loads while offering plenty of penetration for bipedal threats. The wounding diameter of higher weight retention .308 is widely considered to be sufficient for practically any game in north america short of coastal grizzlies and maybe bison, even thats debatable though. Properly loaded 5.56 is very effective even from shorter barrels, if you doubt that then maybe do a bit less napkin math and read some verifiable reports from hunters and such using these loads.
+--- 58069435
+>>58043887 (OP)
+Pocket carry is a superior form of carry. 
+
+>Never worry about printing.
+>No uncomfortability 
+>Pocket guns come in 9mm and 380, more than enough power
+>Criminal won't know why you're reaching in your pocket, probably thinks you're giving him money
+>If you reach in your waist band, the criminal knows what you're grabbing for because they carry guns too
+> Pocket guns are cheaper
+>Lightweight so it won't drag your pants to the ground.
+--- 58069496
+>>58069435
+shootability is a major downside though. Regardless what pocket pistols do you rec anon?
+--- 58069515
+>>58069252
+I see you have a short barrel you are defending, like your short dick. If you think short barrels offer any advantage to the superior ballistics of longer barrels other than maneuverability, then perhaps you just might be retarded.
+--- 58069592
+>>58069210
+Ah, I see. You explained it better, and I don't actually disagree on much. 
+>I say this as someone who likes and appreciates pretty much all intermediate calibers for their various benefits
+Based.
+>7.62x39 and 7.62x35 are absolutely the kings of raw terminal performance at typical defensive ranges when properly loaded
+Correct. To go a step further, I think almost any rifle cartridge would have "pretty great" performance with modern loadings. Modern OTM and soft point projectiles are just so good, it really does just come down to what you like.
+
+Verification not required.
+--- 58069690
+>>58043887 (OP)
+I think 45 is a shitty caliber unless it's being used in a 10 inch barrel. The velocity out of a pistol is so slow it's ridiculous. Maybe it was good in the trenches of world wars or for a cop in the 50's, but I wouldn't trust .45 to protect my life. If you want something big, go for .40 instead.
+--- 58069963
+>>58045559
+>Because the Glock has a failure in 1/3rd of gunfights.
+Yeah. That's why most western specops with infinite choice and money pick glocks over anything else.
+--- 58070343
+>>58043887 (OP)
+Amazon/eBay optics are good enough for the vast majority of shooters.
+--- 58070705
+>>58054704
+>>58068875
+>The modern day capacity/reload obsession is a fucking meme.
+Yeah, I took my time searching through the self defense cases listed on gunviolencearchive.org last year, and there were 58 self defense cases total with more than 3 attackers shot since 2014. For comparison, there were 81 cases of home defense alone where the defender was killed since 2014. The reality is that there isn't enough time to burn through a significant amount of ammo, and if you're dealing with an attacker who isn't interested in running away then your chances of getting shot and possibly killed are quickly approaching 1 every second you spend turning ammo into noise rather than good hits. Even for cops, there's a reason why they started getting body armor before they started moving away from revolvers.
+--- 58070727
+>>58066063
+>you may not like it but this is peak preformance
+--- 58070939
+assuming ICE vehicles are eventually supplanted by electrics in the future, will people still continue to make dumb car metaphors in a couple decades

k/58044235.txt

@@ -198,3 +198,59 @@ For a gun enthusiast general you sure seem to seldom ever go out to the gun rang
 --- 58058393
 I've been wanting to get an M1 carbine for quite a while, specifically an IBM one because I work in tech and my grandfather used to work for them them beck in the 60s. I managed to snag the one that came up on mosincrate on Monday. It looks like its in really good shape, and comes with the bayonet. How did I do? 
 https://rumble.com/v2lb2hc-military-surplus-rifles-very-small-list.html
+--- 58058893
+Who are some Iconic designers who actually were Craftsmen and not propaganda or designed guns on a computer screen.
+
+You know Fedor Tokarev whenever you see a TT,SVT,K43,FAL, or piston AR since it copied the tokarev gas system
+--- 58058911
+Is there any other good places to find old rifle parts? I really struggle to bring myself to spend $1000+ on meme rifles and would rather just build a frankenstein gun with unloved decent parts to have fun with. I can find good receivers and barrels relatively easy but there are just so many other miscellaneous parts needed to accomplish this.
+--- 58059245
+>>58058146
+That's probably because you're being a pedantic faggot and just wanna talk shit.
+>"NOOOO! THATS NOT GOOD ENOUGH! I NEED TO SEE YOUR FACE AT THE SPECIFIC RANGE YOU SHOOT! WITH VIDEO!"
+Go be a nigger somewhere else.
+--- 58059899
+>>58058149
+Baka
+--- 58059966
+>>58058911
+Guns cost less than the sum of their parts.
+--- 58061805
+>>58058911
+It is not cost effective to build a plain Jane receiver into a gun, even with the most common surp rifles.
+--- 58062435
+>>58046561
+It's Finland so the most common is any Mosin
+Least common probably impossible to determine
+--- 58062590
+>>58045197
+What's the going rate on M39s now?
+--- 58062789
+>>58058867
+Rustington.
+--- 58063471
+>>58046058
+>130 year old gun with questionable chamber integrity and non existent ammunition
+This is such retarded bullshit. The guns are fine to shoot, only people who own no guns or no nothing about them think that old rifles blow up, they don't, it's very easy to see if a gun will blow up or not. As for the ammo, heaps of companies still make 45-70. Guns are meant to shoot bullets, what a fucking shocking and mind blowing revelation
+--- 58063991
+If anybody wants a Hungarian 31M I think Simpson has one: https://simpsonltd.com/steyr-mannlicher-m95-carbine-c57636/
+--- 58064585
+>>58058393
+Not the best, not the worst, especially for something that looks as immaculate as that.
+--- 58065256
+>>58047071
+It's been mentioned here before, if you're willing to jump through a couple hoops, you could go for a rack grade CMP garand for 700USD, some people get an okay rifle and some get a shit tier one, I just ordered a rack grade a few weeks agos, I'll be interested to see what comes in the mail when it arrives. I'm sure people here have gotten CMP garands on the forums that could pipe up if they're shit or not. The expert grades are 1150USD and have a new barrel and are from a higher tier of rifle than rack grade if you're worried about getting a stinker.
+--- 58065370
+>>58065256
+Got a Rack Grade in February. Mixmatched hand-guard stock with the stock being Ex-Danish since it had a Danish armorer's tag on it. 44' era Springfield receiver in decent shape with most of the pitting below the stock line. Absolutely filthy with a couple rust spots but cleaned up well and shoots PPU 30-06 fine.
+--- 58066380
+>won auction on Gunbroker earlier this week
+>pictures of the rifle (a Lee Enfield No4 Mk2) are awful and dark, although I can tell the rifle is in nice condition so I took a gamble
+>seller only wants a money order
+>email the seller with a copy of my FFL and to confirm the amount and the address before I send the money order
+>haven’t gotten a response
+>seller is using an AOL email address
+I hate Boomers so much
+--- 58069065
+>>58066380
+Just send the MO, if it's not correct you'll get it back. Also leave bad feedback for poor communication

k/58044675.txt

@@ -322,8 +322,58 @@ Welcome back neet, now remake Ai's flat is justice patch or give someone else th
 --- 58058529
 >>58058367
 You are terminally gay and brown. When are you gonna get tired of spamming this shit?
---- 58058586
->>58044675 (OP)
 --- 58058645
 >>58058529
 Whiter than you
+--- 58059607
+Ship my patches, Ahoworks! My order has been in pre-shipment since last Thursday.
+--- 58059750
+It's actually been a while since I ran a sale. The event that means "Coronation Quiche" has now entered the national lexicon seems as good an excuse as any to have one.
+
+20% off, Friday through to Monday. Including some newer designs and restocks that I hadn't posted about before.
+--- 58060428
+>>58059750
+restock leave no trace plz
+--- 58061721
+>>58059607
+hai hai takes time I'm catching up since I was away a month
+--- 58062951
+Patch idea
+--- 58064739
+JWU
+what happened to crimson caravan?
+--- 58064912
+>>58064739
+Caravan was raided traveling to Nipton.
+--- 58066012
+>>58061721
+bro. make some oshi no ko patches. I'm sure you can find a way to make them /k/ themed somehow
+--- 58067163
+Oi! A while back I spammed comfy camp with guns until one of yall committed to making it. Where you at?
+--- 58067406
+Who sell the Asuka/Rei Forward Observation Group style patches?
+--- 58067464
+desperate need for a Josie patch from fishtank.live
+need Dave and Busters Defense Force patch
+--- 58067530
+Patch idea
+--- 58068348
+>>58044675 (OP)
+--- 58068373
+>>58065592
+>>58066518
+>>58068348
+fuck off
+--- 58069663
+>>58057337
+lmao anon, he literally told me himself to remind him in thread since he'd forget but thanks for making my restock requests for me
+--- 58070127
+Funny how whenever a board isn't a total /pol/ echochamber you see posts crying about how it's shills taking over.
+--- 58070308
+>>58070127
+?
+--- 58070534
+>>58052715
+PK, what is "sledgehammer chicken"
+--- 58070594
+Aho please restock your jap masterpiece patches

k/58044886.txt

@@ -669,3 +669,314 @@ Sleeping bag by itself will get drenched, and a bivy is good for light rain, but
 Yeah all the reasons above, plus a jacket wont cover your gear, and enough rain will get through even a great jacket. Plus, a jacket doesn't cover your legs.
 
 Using their gear in heavy rain is a situation that 99% of this board will never run into honestly, but I subscribe to the notion that you should always be prepared. Something that always sticks in my mind is the scene in The Pacific where they're using their ponchos to cover the mortar rounds.
+--- 58060315
+>>58058801
+I think you're responding to bait. Who would be dumb enough to post "What is the point of a poncho?"
+--- 58060325
+>>58058061
+They're pretty good. The trapezoid shape is surprisingly useful for packing. I especially like the large one if packing heavier foodstuff like MREs since you can get the weight right up against your back. That said, I'm planning on getting some of the Kifaru pullouts as well, I don't think you can go wrong either way.
+--- 58060872
+>>58060315
+The same person who asks “what’s wrong eith Agilite” and “what’s wrong eith RMA”
+
+These are filters. If (You) as an anon cannot look at Agilite or RMA and discern for yourself why they’re shady and undeserving of your money - you’re retarded
+--- 58060931
+>>58060872
+Bro you wouldnt know anything about these two companies if /k/ wasnt telling you, you retarded aspie.
+--- 58061072
+>>58057965
+Dude its just a ceramic strikeface, you are retarded for thinking its ballistically capable on its own. Unless you can properly fabricate the rest of a plate dont buy, ceramic is only good as armor when it can fail in compression rather than tension.
+
+Saint Gobain makes decent silicon carbide, but I am biased against reaction-bonded ceramics even though they are fairly good these days. SAS used st gobain sic for their XSAPI.
+--- 58061085
+>>58060931
+Now that’s not true and you don’t have to cope by pretending. Agilite shilling is some of the worst in an industry known for absolutely abhorrent shilling. Even the whole “jew” thing notwithstanding, playing with any amount of kit for any amount of time and even looking around at what the common denominators for professionals are - you would immediately identify Agilite and the K9 specifically as trash.
+RMA’s “king of armor” trash is the same way. Ass marketing, no consistency across end user experiences, everyone and their dog trying to offload them to “upgrade” - all speaks to their quality. 
+All /k/ has done is compile those pics and videos into a single image with a meme laugh track - the info is there
+--- 58061124
+I bought a pair of Agilite gloves
+I've already got the same gloves but Agilite has custom ones in all black
+Couldn't resist
+Sorry gays
+--- 58061247
+>>58061085
+Its wasnt until /k/ autists brought attention to agilite a year and a half ago, that it became a thing. Ill give you the rma which that knowledge was surfacing before this board brought attention to it. But the agilite thing wasnt an issue prior to /k/ calling them out for their kikery.
+--- 58061306
+>>58061124
+Just take the 30 and throw it in the trash next time
+>>58061247
+“Bringing attention” shouldn’t matter. If you are a person who wants a pc and you see Agilite, nobody should have to tell you it’s bad. You should know by doing the most cursory amount of research. Nobody should ever even have to bring this up. It’s only the viral marketing “well what’s wrong with it? Change my mind!” Shills who even bring the name forward anymore
+--- 58061376
+Query
+Say you wear a bullet proof vest under your clothing
+Do you need to wear an undershirt beneath it to keep it clean?
+How do you not get it stinky and disgusting otherwise?
+--- 58061449
+>>58061376
+You and your gear get stinky. There’s no preventing this just mitigating it
+--- 58061459
+>>58061306
+I just did a search on “agilite gear good?” And the only criticism i found are reddit posts from a year ago about the time that /k/ was sperging over it which proves me correct.
+--- 58061525
+>>58061459
+Read >>58061306 again. “Nobody should have to tell you” you have proven yourself retarded and nothing else
+--- 58061674
+>>58058680
+Idk what the other guy is on, but I bring a poncho to cut down the weight of my packing list
+Use the swagman as a warming layer and a summer sleeping bag/woobie instead of bringing another fleece/puffy jacket and another sleeping bag/woobie
+Use the poncho as a rain layer and shelter instead of bringing a gortex top and bottom and bivy/tent/whatever
+>cumbersome while walking around
+If you're traversing extreme elevations or crouching, it can be. Otherwise, it just works. 
+Go try it
+--- 58061693
+Where to buy a quality ballistic helmet?
+i.e. No China shit
+--- 58061760
+>>58061525
+>”You should know by doing the most cursory amount of research”
+Which I did and reddit posts came up you utter and complete moron. Again you, anon, wouldnt know if some autists here didnt tell you first. Get off your high aspie horse and touch grass, zoom zoom.
+--- 58061801
+>>58061674
+>poncho
+Still trying to find one that I like that's goretex. There was one I found on a random no name site in like Montana but they never restocked it.
+--- 58061856
+>>58061801
+Why specifically goretex?
+Get a usgi or helikon
+A lot of people rep the chink shit on amazog too
+--- 58062029
+I'm looking for a radio but my budget has room for something better than a baofeng but not quite PRC that fell off a truck. what are my options?
+--- 58062037
+>>58062029
+Why do you want a radio when you have no friends to talk to?
+--- 58062064
+>>58062037
+>why do I need night vision if I never leave my bedroom
+--- 58062077
+>>58062064
+>Bandit
+They would cheeki breeki your anus
+--- 58062086
+>>58062077
+the mercenary patch I have is 3x3 and doesn't fit anything because it's fuckhueg
+--- 58062146
+>>58062029
+do i just suck it up and buy a prc 152 if I already have comtacs? it seems inefficient to have a wildly expensive PTT that doesn't interface with civilian radios without flimsy adapters
+--- 58062178
+>>58061760
+Agilite went way too far with their astroturfing, fake reviews, shills, and their le zany brovet videos.
+It became too obvious that they're a fake and gay operation selling $70 Chinese carriers for $330.
+> B-but they're made in Vietnam!
+lmaooo
+--- 58062221
+>>58054995
+>>58061124
+The holocaust was exaggerated 
+(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
+--- 58062300
+>>58062029
+>>58062146
+Unless you've got a friend who does radio professionally or is a ham I'd recommend getting something like a Yaesu FT-65 or ICOM IC-V80 as they're both solid and inexpensive. Once you've got an idea of the capabilities of the radio and understand how analog FM radio works, upgrade to a digital radio that's capable of AES encryption like an Anytone AT-D878UVII Plus or a Motorola XTS 5000.
+--- 58062360
+>>58062300
+I >need a radio with NATO pin connectors. do you have a recommendation for a good digital encryption capable radio that fits this use case? at this point, I'm probably just going to buy once cry once and don't mind shelling out for a single radio that'll outperform my capabilities. I'd rather be the bottleneck
+--- 58062380
+>the italian noguns retard still buying 400€ backpacks he will never use
+--- 58062472
+>>58062380
+I live in Japan
+I'm gearing up for when China invades Taiwan and asian countries start accepting foreign volunteers.
+Conscripts and volunteers don't get nice things, gotta bring them yourself
+--- 58062473
+>>58054600
+Think I'm ready for hurricane season boys.
+I'll probably peel off 3 at a time every now and then for camping and replace to keep it all from expiring.
+--- 58062549
+>>58061760
+If “is X good?” In jewgle equals even the most cursory of research in your estimation, you should probably just kill yourself.
+>zoom
+I’m probably older than you at this point
+>>58062221
+Didn’t but should have
+--- 58062581
+>>58062360
+Just get the Motorola XTS 5000 in that case, you'll just need a U-94 PTT for the radio. It'll be compatible with the NATO plug on your headset. Disco32 makes a PTT for the XTS radios but there might be cheaper options.
+--- 58062621
+How much do military radios cost?
+Motorbike headset kits cost like max $400 and have several miles range
+--- 58062679
+>>58062621
+A lot but you’re paying for EW/TSM which you don’t have the support for anyway
+--- 58062713
+>>58062621
+Thousands unless you find a REAL shady "off the truck" deal. Companies like Harris don't give a flying fuck about selling to anyone not mil, gov, or corp. But there's a second issue in that 1) you won't have access to the programming software, and 2) even if the radio is front end programmable, the good shit like encryption will still be locked down most likely. You can get second hand options from resellers who can program it for you but that's still going to be expensive.
+The next best thing is Motorola which makes good gear albeit they nickel and dime you on the accessories. Motorola is still a pain in the ass to program but they've made CPS free for most of their shit it just takes literal weeks to get everything lined out properly.
+For the average retard who wants more than a baofeng or analog Yaesu, get a digitally encrypted chink radio for like $250-400 and it'll cover 99.9% of your needs.
+--- 58062847
+>>58061801
+>>58061856
+I got a used one from miltec (chink brand) in m81 and it’s fine, is there much of a difference in the poncho varieties and quality spectrum or are they all the same?
+--- 58062892
+>>58062380
+Ok
+--- 58064311
+>>58062847
+Not really
+There might be slightly different lengths and widths and while nylon materials are stronger than polyester, it's not enough of a difference to care
+--- 58064540
+>>58050445
+>shopping at an airsoft store in japan
+the faggot in this situation is you
+--- 58064565
+>>58062892
+my brother in christ there are 70 year old grandmas doing your little backyard expeditions with woven handbaskets not 400€ SEAL team 6 backpacks
+--- 58064599
+The Italiano Nogunno fears the kpop shitposter
+--- 58064602
+>>58064565
+Those Nepalese women are fucking insane.
+--- 58064981
+>>58056863
+Need that thick thighed fal bitch patch sir
+--- 58065019
+>>58060931
+I bought RMA long ago before anyone told me any better. It has a very obvious cheat ring. Stupid heavy. Very shady. One of these days I'll get around to shooting those plates.
+--- 58065033
+>>58060931
+Thats actually wrong you fucking stupid little shit because i get my information from other forums and from other groups and K is just to shitpost. If k is your only source of information, or ugh reddit, you are a fucking dumb loser.
+--- 58065049
+>>58061247
+Lmfao. You need to join some real groups dude. Social media is not just for you to simp over some e girls.
+--- 58065133
+>>58053663
+Email me pics of stuff you're trying to unload, i'll let ya know if anything activates my almonds
+--- 58065380
+Looking for a budget belt that's just good enough with a belt loop for drop leg holster and molle on the outside in multicam any suggestions lads
+--- 58065424
+>>58065380
+aws
+--- 58065495
+>>58065424
+Looks perfect thanks
+--- 58065521
+>>58065133
+>platatac shirt
+Platatac has gone to shit recently. The last decent things they make are smocks and cotton boonie hats. Their old stock clearance sales (old DPCU canvas shit) are good but their new shit is made in Sri Lanka and actually crap.
+--- 58065664
+>>58065133
+Emails dump’d pre deployment. Hit me up at BunkBedGuy@protonmail.com
+--- 58066262
+>>58065521
+>made in Sri Lanka
+No shit?? Could you sauce me on that, can't find that info anywhere rn. If that's true, good looking out!
+--- 58066298
+What's a good single piece battle belt?
+--- 58066302
+>>58066262
+https://www.platypusoutdoors.com.au/offshore-manufacturing.html
+Nvm, found it. Emailed them to confirm. Still haven't tested the tigers if they are NIR compliant, but I'll update you guys on that tomorrow or the day after!
+--- 58066607
+>>58066298
+HSGI Sure grip
+--- 58067500
+>>58066302
+Around 90% of their stuff is now made in Sri Lanka or Vietnam. They have all R&D in Australia still. I've noticed a consierable drop in quality of the fabric and their stitching. They've gone from 1000D for everything to 500D lightweight shit that easily rips.
+--- 58067516
+>>58046439
+perfect for slotting SWAPO floppies
+--- 58067762
+mayflower gen v for ak use? Planning to wear over a slick carrier. I have used an arktis chest rig but with the x harness it gets a bit tight and the organization is lacking
+--- 58067973
+Are there any places to buy the skd groin protector except from them? They require a photo of a driver’s license for armor purchases (I’m not a felon but my address doesn’t match my id)
+--- 58068021
+>>58045606
+antihistamines
+
+went camping this past winter and nearly died from the cedar.
+
+if not for you, then for someone else
+--- 58068094
+>>58064565
+>>58064599
+
+>backyard 
+If staying 2.5 days in the mountains is a backyard expedition to you, unfortunately can’t do more than a weekend because of work until I have vacations
+
+Go out of your house instead talking shit on the internet faggot
+--- 58068108
+What are some good pack options for a JPC 2.0? I was think about the Haley Flta Pack but is there anything that would work with the zippers on the back of the carrier?
+--- 58068109
+>>58067762
+>wear over a slick carrier
+--- 58068126
+>>58068021
+imagine being allergic to trees retard
+>>58068094
+??????
+take a vacation then I love trips in the woods I'm going next week for 8 days
+--- 58068150
+>>58068108
+grey ghost gear makes a nice crye zipper compatible pack
+good price as well.
+just need a buddy to access stuff, or you have to drop your vest
+--- 58068164
+Anything close to a modernized altyn?
+--- 58068212
+>>58068150
+>just need a buddy to access stuff
+--- 58068247
+Is the Haley plate carrier any good?
+--- 58068356
+>>58068212
+hence why its better to use an assault pack
+--- 58068386
+>>58067500
+Hmmm. I might have to measure up the TPI compared to my crye's. Fuckin' kangaroos
+--- 58068539
+>>58068108
+Eagle V2
+>>58068247
+Yes but it’s behind the times when it came out. Autistically well thought out for a last Gen PC though
+--- 58068657
+>>58068126
+just started working a new job so i have 3 days of paid leave for now and I cant use them anyway because j have scheduled stuff for the next months so I have to wait
+--- 58068732
+Firecraft gloves are my field gloves of choice. You guys use them?
+--- 58068743
+>>58051635
+Just attach it to the strap-on belt you own, queer.
+--- 58068961
+>>58068386
+>that acog placement
+How do you see thru it?
+--- 58069521
+>>58064565
+>my brother in christ
+can you pls not, reddit zoomer?
+--- 58069752
+>>58061693
+if you are poor get a surplus ACH/ECH. If you have money to blow then get a Team Wendy or Ops Core
+--- 58069806
+Well lads I have some information to share, dunno if it's already known or useful but figured I'd share all the same: If you're a cheapass like me and you picked up a Molle II rucksack, you can cut down the squeaking by covering all of the lashing points that the straps touch in medical tape (I specifically used BSN cover roll stretch). Just wrapping the points that the lumbar belt straps contact cuts down on 80% of the noise IMO. I still need to do some hiking to see how durable the wrap is, but it seems to make the ruck way less annoying to wear.
+--- 58069810
+>>58069806
+Just don't because the Molle ruck is total garbage and quite frankly the ALICE is better.
+--- 58069831
+>>58069810
+Yeah but that'd require ponying up more than $100 for 50+ year old backpack made for manlets.
+--- 58069952
+>>58069810
+why is It shit?
+--- 58070282
+>>58068961
+Ta33 have looooong eye relief
+--- 58070671
+>>58069952
+plastic frame that was developed for airborne retards but then the whole army decided to adopt the plastic frame too because ???
+--- 58070915
+>>58068164
+Novasteel helmet with mandible is arguably better, weighing half as much, but doesn't include a visor for eyepro.
+--- 58070931
+>>58068539
+> Yes but it’s behind the times when it came out. Autistically well thought out for a last Gen PC though
+What do you mean by this?

k/58047541.txt

@@ -352,3 +352,279 @@ this is why I don't use electronic safes
 --- 58058360
 >>58047844
 Nice photo
+--- 58058907
+>>58054436
+Awesome photo.
+--- 58059123
+>>58057296
+Installing the barrel *can* be easier because all you need to do is screw it in and torque it down. HOWEVER, if the head space is bad then it will be more difficult because you will have to machine material or ream the chamber to fix it. Or file the bolt lugs like a nigger. Everything else is the same as an AK. You're still gonna have to rivet the trigger guard, still gonna have to press and pin the barrel componets.
+--- 58059219
+I can’t make up my mind. 106fr or a 107cr..
+--- 58059862
+>>58059219
+What other AKs or rifles do you already have?
+--- 58059928
+>>58059862
+Milled Yugo and a milled mac90. I just want something modern, I really like clone rifles so I was going down the ak74 rabbit hole but the round is just too scarce. So I was going zenitco a 106 or a 107, trying to make it canonical to existing Russian rifles.
+--- 58060000
+>>58059928
+Get the 106FR since you want a 74 and already have a couple 7.62x39 rifles. It will be much more akin to a 74 than a 107CR.
+--- 58060001
+>>58057151
+If you had no other choice maybe. If you managed to hit a rib or the front shoulder it would probably yaw/fragment enough to do some serious damage. Otherwise might just kinda icepick straight through
+--- 58060173
+>>58049093
+Based
+--- 58061837
+Got some Bulgarian brown mags in the mail. I'm hype.
+--- 58063450
+>>58061837
+Circle 21 or commercial?
+--- 58064159
+Rainy range day, Wolverine is actually worth it. Got it zero’d in and was exploding clays at 100 yards really easily. I wish they made a LED acog in the TA50C size
+--- 58064455
+>>58047673
+Very nice.
+--- 58064485
+What does this thing even do?
+--- 58064578
+>>58064485
+beats me
+--- 58064797
+>>58050783
+I don't they PSA will get the chance to get the correct tooling they need to make 5.45.
+--- 58064885
+AK is hipster gun now
+--- 58064930
+>>58064885
+What’s the cheap alternative? 5.56 costs around the same.
+--- 58064950
+>>58064930
+AK [in 5.56]
+--- 58064994
+>>58064950
+Doesn’t make as satisfying of a PING when it hits steel. That alone is worth a few extra cents per round.
+--- 58066326
+Gents, i need advice. I snagged an aks-74u and want to put an optic on there. 
+Whats the best solution? Is the b-18 any good/does it hold zero?
+Also dove tail is a no go
+--- 58066614
+>>58066326
+Check out oxides video on it. He recommends the b-18
+--- 58066700
+>>58066326
+I've not read anything bad about them really. I only had mine on very briefly before opting for a side rail mounted shit quality Kobra for fun. Ultimately I was paranoid about the B-18 not holding zero but I have to admit it could have very well been all in my head.
+--- 58066708
+>>58066326
+If you have to go that route, use a recoil spring assembly that holds the dust cover super tight. And don't put a 1lb optic like an eokek, use something lighter, it's just physics.
+--- 58066710
+>>58066614
+Good shout, thanks
+--- 58066782
+>>58066700
+Shes a real beaut, very nice.
+Side rail would definitely be better for mounting, but i just cant bring myself to modify the gun like that. Although i am aware of the aks-74un.
+>>58066700
+Great point with the weight. Its gonna be a t2 most likely so i should be fine
+--- 58066798
+>>58066708
+>>58066782
+Second one meant for this
+2 days no sleep is kinda rough bros
+Ty again for the advice
+--- 58066838
+>>58066798
+Two days no sleep must be how you afford the 74U
+--- 58066877
+>>58049583
+The fact that you can tell that's a WBP from that picture is impressive
+--- 58066988
+>>58066326
+B18 is nice, but it sits a tad high. The stormwerkz rail does the same thing but sits much lower, but sadly you'd have to drill into your dust cover which is absolutely haram. I myself just have a T2 on an RS regulate setup on the siderail. Absolutely love this thing, works great for me.
+--- 58067061
+>>58066782
+>but i just cant bring myself to modify the gun like that.
+Thanks. I understand your dilemma. I had to wrestle with the idea for a bit, kind of helped that I built mine from a Bulgarian 74 kit so the purity thing wasn't really there. One thing I would do if you are going to go with the B-18 is adding little tack welds on the sides of the recoil assembly button. Then file it to fit snug in the dust cover, a touch of cold blue and it is unnoticeable. Takes out any room for play. Could always order a surplus button to test it out.
+--- 58067189
+this one pic has convinced me to try the midwest mini side rail on my Sam7k. I'm going to try it with an eotech wish me luck bros
+--- 58067312
+>>58066782
+>Side rail would definitely be better for mounting, but i just cant bring myself to modify the gun like that.
+Mastermount side rail.
+--- 58067703
+>>58057168
+>>58057197
+Ive even heard bad things about Tortort receivers. Not worth it. If you want a king nigger 556 AK just build a 101 clone. Easier than sinking money into a Galil at this point, also the ARM uses a different gas block from SAR so unless you already have an ARM kit laying around it really wont be practical nowadays. Galil mags are also pretty junky oftentimes, the Israelis lazily copied the Stoner 63 mags that they had trialed
+--- 58067735
+the bolt on my Yugo M76 hangs up on the hammer every time it cycles and has to be pushed off before it runs forward and picks up a new round. how do I fix this?
+--- 58067847
+>>58067703
+>also the ARM uses a different gas block from SAR so unless you already have an ARM kit laying around it really wont be practical nowadays
+
+Its only because the barral journals are weird. The SAR kit I built has a 13 inch barrel and zero ARM componets. I jused P&W a CAR-15 style flash hider to it. I didn't have any probelems with my Totort but if you have any doubts about it then yeah just send that bitch to a builder
+--- 58067924
+>>58067847
+holy fuck Im drunk I cant even type straight
+--- 58068184
+>>58067924
+Hi drunk I'm dad
+--- 58068215
+Sovietstocks G2G?
+https://www.sovietstocks.com/
+I've never used them before.
+--- 58068273
+>>58068215
+Yeah they're legit. Expensive but legit.
+--- 58068292
+>>58067735
+Try upping the gas setting or using a stronger recoil spring.
+--- 58068320
+>>58068215
+I just got a set of 74u handguards back that were refinished by him. Came out looking great, though definitely a bit more red than I was expecting. If you're looking to have him refinish your wood just be super specific on what you want.
+I prefer my other handguards >>58066988
+but these aren't too bad. Has the same feel as a set of OG Russian handguards too.
+--- 58068687
+Where the FUCK do I get a folding triangle stock for a WASR?
+--- 58068691
+>>58068687
+babbys first AK
+--- 58068777
+>>58068687
+Anon...
+--- 58068823
+>>58068687
+back to r/ak47
+--- 58068879
+>>58068687
+anon take a long look at an ak with a triangle folder and tell me why it would not work on your wasr, take a good look around, all sides…
+--- 58068917
+does anyone have a busted/garbo bayonet they don't want? i just want the barrel ring, spring and catch mechanism so i can try attaching them to another knife
+--- 58068960
+>>58068917
+romy bayonets show up often for $10-20ish, use one of the beat up ones
+--- 58068979
+>>58068960
+Yeah no anon here is gonna pay shipping for some D grade bayonet when that nigga can just buy a clapped out Romainian for $12 literally anywhere else
+--- 58069005
+>>58068960
+cheapest i found was $35 + shipping, but i'll look again
+--- 58069022
+>>58068960
+>$10-20
+Where?
+--- 58069040
+>>58069022
+>>58069005
+You nigs are helpless
+https://www.victory-arms.com/Romanian-AK-Bayonet-with-Scabbard-BFPU-Condition
+--- 58069046
+>>58069022
+got like 5 clapped out ones for $10 each from aoa a while ago
+--- 58069078
+Anyone remember when sweaty ben was selling circle 10 bayos for $15? Lol
+--- 58069103
+>>58069078
+way to make me feel like i missed out
+--- 58069110
+>>58069103
+don't worry, most of us did
+--- 58069126
+>>58069078
+Any thing (((cricle 10))) has been stolen by MAC teir Aresneal-kikes because of muh brand
+--- 58069148
+Death to Aresenal, death to KVAR, death to Copper customs and death to the MAC
+--- 58069241
+>>58069040
+thank you brother
+--- 58069285
+>>58047558
+>sometimes the next round doesn't get stripped of the top of the mag
+
+like it jams there or are you saying that the bolt rides over the next bullet in the mag.
+
+is this gun modified at all from stock? And what exactly is it? Also take the firing pin out of the bolt and try recreating these issues.
+--- 58069353
+sighted in. I am getting a cheek weld so I was considering making some kind of rubber extension on the cheek riser but I think I enjoy it this way. My ear pro doesn't get in the way for instance trying to smash my face in the stock
+--- 58069376
+>>58069285
+It's a 2005 wasr-2, as far as I can tell it hasn't been modified past the trigger(tapco G2), but I'm not a gunsmith so I don't know. The bolt sometimes doesn't grab the next round at all, and so I'll fire one shot and the second will drop the hammer on an empty chamber, but a mag with plenty of rounds.
+--- 58069395
+>>58069376
+G2's are known for pushing the bolt up slightly during cycling when new, you may need to remove a little material or wait for it to smooth out on its own if it isn't already broken in
+--- 58069414
+>>58069395
+>slightly
+is it normal to pull the bolt pack and have it get held up on the hammer, but let go when pulling the trigger or tapping the charging handle?
+--- 58069419
+>>58069376
+ok so that means the gun ejected a round cycled but the mag didn't move up in time to put the next round in place so you had an empty chamber with a full mag. This problem is either the gun is insanely over gas that it cycles to fast OR more than likely the mag isn't working properly. However I don't think that would explain your other problems
+--- 58069425
+>>58069414
+that's all common with G2's, i had the same issues and ran the hammer over a polisher to smooth it out, no problems since
+--- 58069439
+>>58069419
+this only happened a few times since I got it, the real problem are the ejected cases getting stuck in the action
+--- 58069449
+>>58069439
+Try recreating this problem by hand cycling the ation with ammo (take the firing pin out of the bolt first)
+--- 58069455
+>>58047541 (OP)
+What scope should I put on a M77 thats under $1000 but not chinkshit?
+--- 58069664
+>>58069046
+I bought one of the "last chance" one of those for $5, it looks just like that leftmost one but was pretty rusty. It ended up being all surface rust so after cleaning it up it looks nice enough. Absolutely no tip to the blade though. Shit would fuckin suck to get """""stabbed""""""" by.
+--- 58069686
+>>58069353
+Very aesthetic anon. What rifle?
+--- 58069694
+>>58069455
+BelOMO POSP 4x 1000m
+--- 58069906
+>>58069694
+>BelOMO POSP 4x 1000m
+>Amazon links
+Not him but uhh, is it good?
+--- 58069913
+>>58069694
+Washington state?
+--- 58069925
+>>58069686
+Saiga sporter conversion
+--- 58069961
+>>58069664
+i just used them to test ways of cleaning up old surp and then just gave them away to friends as trinkets. basically wd-40 and steel wool to the blades/most metal bits and then i tried hucking the sheaths in a rotary tumbler with different medias. cleans them up well, just takes the paint/finish off em. not really a "preservation" method though
+--- 58070050
+>>58069906
+Its good for a combloc optic, not super great when compared to modern Western optics. 
+As far as glass clarity, it felt similar to my Primary Arms SLx LPVO.
+>>58069913
+Affirmative
+--- 58070086
+>>58069925
+Whoever did the conversion did a good job then. Only thing I'd have added would be military selector notches and etchings but that's completely cosmetic.
+--- 58070135
+>>58070050
+Thanks, u/Steel-and-Wood.
+--- 58070179
+>>58070135
+yw, king
+--- 58070202
+>>58069694
+Eh I’d rather have something made with Filipino or Japanese glass
+>>58070050
+>Affirmative
+My condolences on the awb
+--- 58070217
+>>58070202
+Strike Eagle 1-8 FFP?
+--- 58070928
+>>58053429
+>keymod
+>long ass foregrip
+My brother in Christ, please stop such unholy behavior
+--- 58070937
+>>58070217
+>Filipino or Japanese glass
+>strike chicken
+>lpvo
+Anon I…

k/58048363.txt

@@ -209,3 +209,111 @@ based
 --- 58057751
 >>58048363 (OP)
 How did you get in there
+--- 58059327
+>>58057751
+jumps over the eggs
+--- 58059415
+>>58048565
+>Get the Mosin
+>Start a fight between myself and alcohol
+>Magical Slavs appear to fight with me
+>We are all immune to alcohol
+>24/7, 365 binge drinking innawoods party.
+--- 58059429
+>>58048363 (OP)
+Dale a tu cuerpo alegría macarena to you as well sir.
+
+Give me everything you have in stock.
+--- 58059806
+>>58048565
+You mean to tell me none of you don't already have the Luger's abilities from the get-go?
+--- 58060607
+>>58053202
+how would one go about smuggling one out of the middle east
+--- 58061212
+>>58059429
+based
+--- 58061808
+>>58048565
+The 1911 sounds good at first for leadership until bad times and you get goaded into fighting nothing. 
+The garand basically turns you into a methhead. The Luger is pointless. The Ak turns you into a survivalist Marxist. I think I’ll take the M2 and take over the government with my extreme patriotism and ability to make impenetrable fortresses
+--- 58062821
+>>58048649
+every one of these guns was made yesterday my friend
+--- 58063086
+>>58048827
+Enjoy sir
+--- 58063098
+>>58048565
+>You'll find deadlines easier to hit
+Fuck everything else, just please god help me with my ADHD.
+I take the Steyr.
+--- 58063440
+>>58048565
+Give me the Luger and surgically graft it to my hand. I shall never stop feeding it blood and 9mm.
+--- 58063525
+>>58048363 (OP)
+I'll have the FAMAS in the top right please.
+--- 58063700
+>>58048363 (OP)
+roll it
+--- 58063786
+>>58048363 (OP)
+I'll take the Khyber Škorpion in 7.62×25mm.
+--- 58065026
+>>58063086
+bruh
+--- 58065088
+>>58048363 (OP)
+Yes, I'll have a look at your Krink selection please and, would you please wash your hands before passing me something.
+
+I'm not racist but I know how you people are.
+--- 58065411
+>>58063086
+…is the camel spider trying to pass off Marlboros as Camels, or is a pack of cigarettes trying to sell me a camel spider? Either way I’ll take eight
+--- 58065416
+>>58063700
+okay dokie
+--- 58065555
+>>58054396
+Hero, legend
+--- 58065608
+>>58048565
+I'd go with the M-16 just for the free helicopter if it weren't for the weed part.
+--- 58065758
+>>58048565
+The Remington 700 for sure.
+--- 58065910
+>>58063700
+
+fuck it, lets roll
+--- 58065946
+>>58048565
+>The Garand
+>Bursts of near supernatural desire to work for hours on end at something that will have, at best, dubious value.
+I already have ADHD, man.
+--- 58066127
+>>58048363 (OP)
+haha imagine if it was run by a cute hijabi catgirl haha
+--- 58066160
+>>58048555
+Can you survive the Controller?
+--- 58066204
+>>58048565
+>take AK-47
+>become the Wandering Commie, who’s like the Wandering Jew of the stories
+--- 58066241
+>>58063700
+I'm retarded and want the MAC.
+--- 58066983
+>>58063700
+Roll
+--- 58069135
+>>58066127
+for me, it's harem catgirls
+--- 58069142
+>>58048363 (OP)
+I love Crazy Hassan's Firearms Emporium and Camel Rental
+--- 58069209
+>>58054306
+that's what I'm saying

k/58049621.txt

@@ -258,3 +258,417 @@ Ah, but I have no sandblaster, no spray cabinet, and no spray guns. If it doesn'
 --- 58058049
 >>58057878
 The ammo companies and government arsenals have been tumbling live ammo prior to packaging since brass cases were invented.
+--- 58059718
+why are the bullets green?
+--- 58060913
+>>58050870
+TWO WORLD WARS
+--- 58060929
+>>58059718
+they are coated in green stuff
+--- 58061084
+>>58059718
+Environmentally friendly
+--- 58061646
+>>58059718
+Powder coated lead to save on brass jackets? Looks cheap as fuck going by the box
+--- 58061717
+>>58061646
+They were cheap as fuck, says on the box that they're training rounds with less lead exposure but I can't even find the company online.
+--- 58061959
+Hypothetically, if someone stocked up on nothing but MREs and similar rations for SHTF, what should they also stock to deal with the constipation or diarrhea this would cause? Like some kind of shelf-stable stool-softener/hardener?
+--- 58062103
+>>58061959
+Honestly I've had a lot, and I mean cases and cases and cases of MREs and I've never had digestive issues from them.
+--- 58062293
+>>58062103
+Really? I keep hearing it so often I assumed it was basically guaranteed if you ate them for more than one day in a row. Still, do you have any recommendations for a SHTF laxative? It's actually not for me, I got my dad a case of MREs as a fun thing for Father's day and it just got me thinking, like if anything does happen, that's probably where the family would met up so I've been riding the momentum to have at least some preparation ready.
+--- 58062422
+>>58062293
+lol, that's a meme. And equally common is the opposite meme, that they'll make you shit your guts out nonstop. Neither are true, but plenty of people parrot both of them.
+Laxatives are risky for SHTF: if you don't have a lot of water on hand they can do more harm than good by dehydrating you. Laxatives are low on the priority list of meds to stock. Anti-diarrheals are far more important, diarrhea kills people.
+--- 58062471
+>>58062422
+>Laxatives are low on the priority list of meds to stock.
+That depends on whether you have some health conditions. A relative of mine has nerve damage and partial paralysis of the bowels. Constipation can get impacted and send him to the emergency room if he doesn't eat a very high fiber diet and take stool softeners and prescription laxatives. But then, too, if you have that kind of health problem you probably already know about it and know what meds you need to manage it.
+--- 58062487
+>>58049621 (OP)
+>>58050300
+Looking for a pistol light that has a finger hook like Pic related.
+I know I've seen them but now I can't find them
+--- 58062495
+>>58062471
+if there's a shtf scenario old yeller there is going to last as long as their latest prescription
+--- 58062527
+>>58062471
+>coroner's report: dookie death
+--- 58062563
+>>58062471
+Yes, of course, if the people involved have specific preexisting conditions then by all means pay attention to that. But I'm not psychic, nobody here mentioned anything about preexisting conditions, and therefore I can only speak generally. For the average person constipation is an extremely low risk.
+
+Anyway, if your relative is dependent on laxatives to that degree then by all means stock up on them like you would any other prescription drug. But understand that water becomes even more important for that individual than it is for most people. And that's saying a lot. Laxative medications are brutal dehydrators, your relative taking them without being adequately hydrated could kill him even more easily than his bowel issues.
+--- 58062603
+>>58062293
+>Still, do you have any recommendations for a SHTF laxative?
+Caffeine and lots of water. Also. Just keep some enema bags and tubes on hand. 
+Don't go screwing with anything else
+--- 58062638
+>>58062603
+>Just keep some enema bags and tubes on hand.
+A bit gross, but honestly a lot safer than messing with chemical laxatives.
+--- 58062699
+>>58062638
+https://files.catbox.moe/an6dsv.webm
+>>58062487
+Looking for an answer in exchange for the above topical shit story
+--- 58063331
+>>58050440
+Get a CZ P10-C or P10-F and a mossberg 590 to go along with it.
+--- 58063404
+>>58050300
+.22s get you more range time per dollar and can be lots of fun to shoot. The S&W Victory Model, Browning Buckmark, and the newest Ruger--I think they're up to the Mark IV now--are all pretty popular and get lots of good reviews.
+--- 58063508
+>>58057259
+I wouldn't bet my life on it but if a 25mm shell hit an AP shell dead on it could know out the fuse or set it off. 
+If it's just a regular HE shell, I'd say certainly
+--- 58063551
+What gun goes with this stock? 
+I'm cleaning out my grandfathers place because he died of parkinssons and he always had a shitton of fudd wood-n-steel rifles but this doesn't seem like a fudd-type stock to me.
+--- 58063580
+>>58057259
+No. 
+Pic related is an Italian shell, but the construction would be similar on most. From the front aspect it would have to punch through the windscreen, the cap, and the entire hardened steel nose, which is like, 650+mm of steel. It'd do jack shit.
+--- 58063587
+>>58055654
+Only the M Spec ones are worth a damn IIRC and even then you can get a lot more optic for the same price.
+--- 58063599
+>>58057291
+>>58058043
+Cerakote can be done at home pretty easy AFAIK and I think it may even come in a spray can so you might not even have to do what this guy did. Also, just buy a cheap toaster oven at Walmart (or a yard sale) for baking the finish unlike this retard baking paint in his kitchen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vlqir8Bpd2A [Embed]
+--- 58063614
+>>58059718
+>>58061717
+>anon buys cheap as fuck ammo
+>"I can't even find the company online."
+--- 58063633
+>>58063580
+Goddamn, pic related.
+--- 58064280
+>>58049621 (OP)
+Does anyone know of a trick or a tool that makes it easier to clean the baffles of a suppressor? I had no idea these things get so filthy and are such a pain in the ass to clean after a day at the range.
+--- 58064349
+I'm about to do some pest control on feral pigs on 40 acres, which is mostly bush but there's a field with a dam which is where I'm going to set up. Only thing is that I'll probably be shooting 50-80 meters away while the rifle is sighted in to 100 meters. Will the shot still be accurate? If not should I aim lower or use a .303 with iron sights? Also if I use a .303 should I use cheaper PPU ammo or more expensive Winchester ammo (same grain)?
+--- 58064655
+>>58062699
+quintessentially indian video
+--- 58064665
+>>58064280
+ultrasonic cleaner
+--- 58064710
+>>58064665
+Anything cheaper?
+--- 58064754
+>>58049621 (OP)
+Need some advice on some gear, either of what types or specific brands or whatever to get. I don’t have a lot of money right now, though. I need a good compass and some basic medical supplies. I’m weary of those cheap linseatic compasses with how light and cheap they are. Don’t know how good those Soviet Bulgarian wrist compasses are either, and I can’t read cyrillic. Only medical supplies I’ve got are one of those old swedish army bandages and some basic stuff from around my house, like rubbing alcohol and some cheap gauze. What’re some good tourniquets that won’t break the bank?
+--- 58064772
+>>58064710
+https://www.harborfreight.com/25-liter-ultrasonic-cleaner-63256.html
+--- 58064877
+>>58064772
+Might be nice, not as expensive as I feared. Thanks Anon, have a Rally.
+--- 58064902
+>>58064877
+>rally fumo suppressor haver
+i kneel...
+--- 58065209
+Can someone identify this rifle?
+--- 58065525
+>>58049621 (OP)
+How do gun buyback programs work? I understand some police departments will pay $300 flat for any firearm the gangbangers bring them and don't ask them questions. But that's really stupid. What's stopping a responsible gun owner from bringing their .22 pistol they bought for $180 and profiting from the program? Wouldn't it make more sense to hire a firearms expert that could determine the real value of the gun? Sounds like these sorts of programs could easily be manipulated. Although I do support gun buyback programs ultimately because it takes guns out of gang banger neighborhoods, and it's a consensual transaction. They should offer money for ammunition as well IMO.
+--- 58065626
+what's stopping the ATF from implementing a national gun license system right now and revoking the FFL of any gun store that doesn't comply? (genuine question)
+--- 58065635
+>>58065525
+>What's stopping a responsible gun owner from bringing their .22 pistol they bought for $180 and profiting from the program?
+Nothing. And people have done exactly that. People have ripped off buyback programs with pipe shottys, 3D printed guns, shoddily finished 80% receivers, and so on.
+
+>Wouldn't it make more sense to hire a firearms expert that could determine the real value of the gun?
+They just don't care.
+--- 58065713
+>>58065626
+The ATF is part of the executive branch of government, it has no power to create laws. It has in the past played dirty with how it chooses to define certain terms (Chevron deference) but that's really about all it's been able to get away with.
+Furthermore, the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986--yeah, the same act which closed the machine gun registry--specifically prohibits the government from maintaining a database of gun ownership. It specifically states:
+
+>No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or disposition be established.
+--- 58065722
+>>58065525
+because the aim isn't to provide a fair market value, nobody's buying the gun, the goal is to "get le guns off le streets" with a financial incentive for those turning guns in for destruction
+--- 58065856
+>>58065722
+I can't believe some PD's actually destroy them. If I ran the program I would just sell them wholesale to a FFL dealer. You still 'get the guns off the street' and now only someone with a clean background can buy them.
+--- 58065868
+>>58065626
+It'd be explicitly illegal if the database is electronically searchable due to a law congress passed some decades back.
+>What if it wasn't searchable
+That's what they already do with the 4473s they permanently store copies of on microfilm
+--- 58065934
+Think this would work? It's got pretty decent case capacity.
+--- 58065950
+>>58065209
+looks like a bb gun
+--- 58065969
+>>58065209
+--- 58065989
+>>58065934
+some dude did black powder 5.56 and it worked, the question is WHY though
+--- 58066014
+>>58065989
+Because I don't know if it'll work, or how long it'll work for. 
+Plenty of people say you can't run semi-autos on BP, and I'd like to see if I could get it going and how long it would run for. 
+Also I already have everything I need for it, so I don't have a reason NOT to.
+--- 58066068
+>>58064710
+Paint can. Kerosene, maybe with a squirt of dishwashing liquid. Let the parts stand in it for a few days. Mind you, if you have the budget for Class III toys, you shouldn't be bitching about the price of a Harbor Freight ultrasonic cleaner. But soaking it in kerosene will at least soften the carbon fouling. If it's had .22 rimfire shot through it, you are likely to find lots of blobs of lead welded to the baffles from one end to the other. The lead at the base melts a bit under heat and pressure and a small amount detaches and ends up inside the can. People sell all manner of chemicals and gadgets that are claimed to make it e-z to remove it all, but after the carbon comes off, you're going to be digging it off with a screwdriver blade. Which is one reason why stainless steel baffles are better than aluminum.
+--- 58066101
+>>58065713
+Tell it to Michigan, where you have to buy a permit to purchase the handgun, then register it, with the serial number and your address, within ten days of purchase or face felony charges. ("Nuh uh, it's not a registry! It's a safety inspection!" A safety inspection they do by mail, without actually examining the firearm, or even making any distinction between a functional firearm, a junker that's missing parts, and a stripped receiver.) Also, if you think your Form 4473s haven't all been put into a database that started on day 1 when Nixon created the ATF and they opened their first offices, your optimism may not be borne out by reality.
+--- 58066112
+>>58065856
+Most of them are stolen property. I've never heard of a stolen gun Rastus handed over during a "buyback" going back to its rightful owner. It may have happened somewhere, but I've never heard of it. They all go into the crusher immediately, always, no exceptions, and they don't even check ballistics or get sample fired cases first.
+--- 58066125
+>>58066014
+Back in the 80s some of the merry pranksters at Soldier of Fortune loaded up blackpowder .45 ACP and ran it through a MAC 10. It ran, though it clogged up with powder residue and started choking after just a couple of mags.
+--- 58066128
+>>58066112
+Even if it's stolen, why not send it to the ATF and issue new serial numbers to it?
+--- 58066153
+>>58066128
+Because that isn't getting le evil guns off le streets. Poor misunderstood Dayshawn over there would have gone to college and cured cancer if it hadn't been for that gun that jumped into his hand all by itself and bombarded his poor tender brain with evil gun mind control rays until he robbed a liquor store, executed the clerk, then raped a six-year-old girl on the way home. Deez guns, dey beez causin too many tragedies on de streeks, gnome sayin? Dat Constitution, dat beez fo dead honkeys, gnome sayin?
+--- 58066179
+>>58049621 (OP)
+Anyone have that picture of guys with balaclavas and aks out in the street doing some sketchy operation?
+--- 58066185
+>>58066125
+Yeah, how long do you think an AR will run with BP? 10 rounds? 20? 80? 
+How many is enough to say "it works"?
+--- 58066237
+>>58066185
+Not many. I'd expect the gas tube to clog up really, really quickly, though maybe not before the carbon getting piped back into the upper filled up the locking lug recesses and prevented the bolt from going into battery. Also, a milspec rifle-length AR upper is not guaranteed to cycle if pressure at the gas port drops between 12,000 PSI. Maybe a pistol length gas setup like they put on .300 Memeout guns would help a little, though I don't know how well it'd run with normal ammo.
+--- 58066251
+>>58066237
+That's the question, then. How long will it work? 
+I think tuned in it'll run pretty long.
+--- 58066263
+I'm having trouble coping and validating the thought of buying and carrying a 1911 because of muh capacity. What do to combat this feel
+--- 58066291
+>>58051002
+>IFAK
+>A Bag/S.T.O.M.P II Bag
+>Vehicle Mounted Kit
+This is where the line ends for anything worthwhile, unless you are a board certified trauma surgeon; in which case go nuts.
+--- 58066304
+>>58066263
+the magazines are pretty small, you could carry 4 extra mags on your person and now you have like 30 bullets. also you don't have to carry the 1911 every single day. change it out the next day with a 9mm or something.
+--- 58066316
+>>58066263
+In 2023 you don't buy a 1911 for SRS BZNS, any more than you buy a full-size .38 service revolver like a Model 10 for SRS BZNS. You buy it as a range toy. Magazine capacity is irrelevant in that context.
+--- 58066322
+If you guys could only own one pistol what would it be? Probably Beretta 92 for me, a railed variant
+--- 58066341
+>>58049621 (OP)
+Are some leftists actually serious about requiring gun insurance for gun owners? how would that even work? so like the guy that killed trayvon martin, would the insurance company be forced to payout to the parents? Would it become the insurance company's job to find out if a shooting was justified? That just sounds wacky to me.
+--- 58066345
+>>58066263
+buy a 2011
+--- 58066351
+>>58066341
+Yes
+>expecting leftists to be able to comprehend second-order effects and beyond
+you should know better by now
+--- 58066353
+>>58066345
+2011s weigh like 4 pounds
+--- 58066391
+>>58066341
+It's not a bug. It's a feature.
+>>58066351
+When you consider that the entire motivation is to make firearms ownership and self-defense too expensive and too legally dangerous for the common folk, everything makes perfect sense. They aren't stupid. They're evil and insane, and they are burning up with uncontrollable hatred for the normies, the nation's founding stock, the nation's traditions, and the Constitution, but they aren't stupid, and they have thought the matter through. You don't really think they're reasoning from the premises they claim to be, do you?
+--- 58066444
+I got my tax refund and want to get a .45, I really like the Walther PPQ or the H&K. Thoughts?
+--- 58066451
+>>58066322
+I would want to keep my ability to pocket carry.. so, something small and expensive.
+--- 58066500
+>>58066444
+I think you missed the wave. .45acp is already deemed an obsolete caliber now. the only thing in .45 you should own is a 1911 that you use at the range or as a camp gun.
+--- 58066542
+>>58066391
+I think that elite liberals think like this, but your retarded liberal ex-gf who wants to ban guns and her common leftist ilk want this because they are retarded.
+--- 58066564
+>>58066500
+If he is in Texas, it could be his Barbecue Gun, but only if it is nickel plated and extensively engraved, imitation pearl grips mandatory.
+--- 58066655
+>>58066500
+I'm a born contrarian, I'll ride that caliber right into the ground if I have to. I yearn for it I can't explain why. But hypothetically what are some interesting or up and comers?
+
+>>58066564 Oh to be a Texan grilling and open carrying, I think ivory looks nicer
+--- 58066670
+>>58066655
+5.7, 22tcm / 22tcm9r, 30 super carry
+--- 58066828
+>>58066655
+Checked.
+
+There is 9mm and there is everything else. .40 is still widely available, mainly because there are still so many used cop guns in circulation that have been sold off as surplus. But really there is 9mm and there is everything else. It's the place where the lines cross, power vs controllability and capacity in firearms of reasonable size. It has a 100+ year head start on the current crop of flavor-of-the-week new calibers that were supposed to make it obsolete, and none of them does anything better than 9mm by sufficient margin to justify the time and expense of switching over, and that's even before we consider the rather long odds against, for example, .30 SC still existing at all in three or four years.
+
+>but muh kevlar! muh 200m engagements with a pistol!
+
+No. Rastus doesn't wear body armor. It's hot and uncomfortable and it costs money that he could have spent on big white rocks to smoke in his little glass pipe. And I am not familiar with any recent self-defense stories in which assailants kicked off the festivities by opening fire with rifles from an eighth of a mile, either. Not in CONUS, anyway. I won't discount the possibility that something like that could have happened in Shitholeistan fifteen or twenty years ago, though for us to know about it the guy with the pistol would have had to survive.
+--- 58066906
+>>58064349
+The difference in trajectory between 50m and 100m for .303 is negligible. Use softpoints. the brand doesn't matter, but if you want to do this humanely you need softpoints. If you cast your own and handload, gas checked and powder coated cast bullets might do it. Supposedly wheelweights need 1600+ feet/sec to expand in soft tissue, linotype 2000+.
+--- 58067085
+>>58066828
+I shied away from .40 for that reason I feel like once the surplus goes away the ammo will go up or stop being made, I don't know what kind of demand exists for it outside police. 
+I do like 9mm but I'm pretty familiar with it and figured .45 would be fun
+--- 58067093
+>>58066655
+5.7 is a hip caliber that is recently gaining traction.
+--- 58067113
+What rifle was Kyle Rittenhouse carrying specifically?
+--- 58067116
+>>58066341
+That's the point.
+>Require insurance to own a gun
+>Create onerous regulations to ensure the insurance costs are huge
+>Average Joe can't afford it
+This is how they do the whole "we don't want to take away your guns" schtick. They do want to take away your guns, they just do it by constantly whittling away your ability to own them and if you complain they point to the fact you can technically still own one therefore you have no reason to complain.
+--- 58067144
+Other than the Delta P Brevis, GSL Fatman, and YHM Fat Cat, what other short & squat (Fat chode) suppressors are out there?
+--- 58067174
+>>58066341
+Funnily enough, I've always heard leftoids complain about things like USCCA and whatever the NRA used to have as "murder insurance", but they ALSO want to mandate it?
+--- 58067253
+>>58051002
+>Soldier's compress. Sole medical equipment carried by a regular soldier. Or maybe that has changed.
+Absolutely fucking not. Every Joe carries an IFAK as standard. Contents will slightly vary based on SOP, but almost always includes at least one torniquet, chest seal, compressed gauze, gloves, sheers, and tape. A large portion have NPAs and decompression needles. In addition to the IFAK many individual units/AOs in combat have additional SOP to carry more tourniquets in their chest or ankle pockets.
+--- 58067273
+>>58067174
+>"Gosh! Hernan Cortez and the Conquistadors were pro-boat! They crossed the Atlantic in boats!"
+>"But when they got to the New World and began the conquest, Cortez had his men burn the boats!"
+>"I don't get it! Were the Conquistadors pro-boat, or anti-boat!"
+
+The answer is that the boats were a tool. They used the boats when it was useful to use boats, and they left the boats behind when it was no longer useful. So it is with them. Nothing that comes out of their mouths is sincere. Everything is a tactic. They don't actually believe anything at all other than that they should have power over you. They contradict themselves happily all day every day and mock you for noticing. The truth is not in them. They lie. They don't care about insurance, or even about guns. They care about power and tricking you into giving it to them.
+--- 58067276
+>>58067253
+Here's a pic of a random soldier with a TQ in their shoulder pocket with red tab out and prepped. Very common SOP
+--- 58067287
+>>58067276
+>names on helmet cover bands
+When did that start?
+--- 58067299
+>>58049621 (OP)
+what's a good charging handle for my ar? all I have is the standard one
+--- 58067349
+>>58067287
+Since at least 2003. Did you just step out of a time machine from WW2?
+--- 58067417
+How do I differentiate between what should go in my buttpack and what goes in the backpack I might be ditching at a camp/dump site for a while? I have the general idea that it should be based on level of necessity and usefulness but I'm just looking for other peoples' input and how they set things up. I don't see myself always needing an E-tool but someone might have a good reason to keep it with my buttpack and shit.
+--- 58067424
+>>58066263
+Quit being a giant pussy and getting your opinions on firearms from zoomer internet hypebeasts 
+>t. someone who unironically carries a full size 1911 on a regular basis
+--- 58067490
+>>58064280
+Ultrasonic sink with simple green water 5050 mix or your favorite carbon buster. If you are going to own one serious gun cleaning tool the ultrasonic sink is the one to get. Can/ bcg etc drop in sink turn on rub one out to weeb porn real quick and presto all clean and ready to use again
+--- 58067546
+>>58066353
+lift
+
+>>58067113
+S&W M&P15
+
+>>58067299
+radian raptor
+--- 58067591
+>>58066263
+You fucking normie brainlet peerpressured retard. go touch a 1911, you'll see why so many people carry them. They are fabulously slim and comfortable to grip.
+--- 58067736
+>>58067490
+That's a good starting point, but I would say only for steel components. If the can's outer shell, or any of the baffles, is aluminum, Simple Green and similar strongly alkaline cleaners have the potential to cause corrosion and pitting. Boiling water and dishwashing liquid--I use Palmolive because it's not strongly alkaline--are safer on aluminum.
+--- 58067749
+>>58067591
+i'm debating on whether buying a cheapshit $400 1911 or a cheap kimber 1911. what would you suggest for me as a new gun owner?
+--- 58067763
+>>58067749
+If you are talking about spending Kimber money, I suggest a Springfield instead, like one of the Milspec or Garrison models, depending on just how retro you want to go with it. Kimber has had some QC problems with their 1911s, Springfield not so many, especially recently.
+--- 58067867
+>>58067417
+Pack nice to have stuff snivvel gear bulk chow etc.
+Buttpack oh fuck I'm going to die without this shit! Ammo first aid water way to purify water signal gear. Small amount of quick chow
+--- 58068772
+>>58066014
+>>58066125
+a bp 45acp 1911 ran for~30-40 rounds before stoppages started occurring iirc. My bp revolver can get 36 shots out before it gums up too much to be usable. If I had to bet, 5.56 due to being a gas operated arm would last shorter.
+BE VARY FUKING WARY OF SQUIBS!!!!!!!!
+--- 58068801
+Are there any ballistic gelatin tests of the old 9mm 147gr Hydra-Shok? I know it was a really popular duty and carry load thirty years back, and it seems to be on sale from a few different vendors. I'd like to see figures for expansion and penetration, in both bare gelatin and gelatin with heavy clothing.
+--- 58068907
+>>58049621 (OP)
+what would happen if someone shot me in the chest with a 22 WMR?
+--- 58068930
+>>58068907
+It would probably be bad for your health. You might want to see a doctor if something like that happened. Or, better, take steps to avoid the situation in the first place.
+--- 58068963
+>>58066500
+I disagree, as a 9mm fan I think .45 is a great option if you're in mag capped gaystates. There's value from a larger projectile transferring its kinetic energy on target, at the very least it will certainly be more likely to throw someone off balance as opposed to 9. 
+9mm is more mainstream but .45 will always remain solely due to how many 1911s exist.
+--- 58068971
+>>58049621 (OP)
+Is it legal for me to use these bad boys in self defense? How would the criminal react to it?
+--- 58068975
+>>58068971
+it would be like having a shotgun in your hand. very powerful.
+--- 58068987
+What's a decent way to get into gunsmithing just for a fun hobby because it would be amusing to do silly shit like build an AR in .30 carbine just to watch the confused looks on the faces of fudds at the range
+not looking to become the next Browning, just think it would be fun to make weird shit.
+--- 58068990
+>>58068963
+>There's value from a larger projectile transferring its kinetic energy on target, at the very least it will certainly be more likely to throw someone off balance as opposed to 9.
+whew
+--- 58069001
+>>58051005
+what is an (F) similar device?
+--- 58069067
+>>58068963
+>at the very least it will certainly be more likely to throw someone off balance as opposed to 9.
+
+yeah, if the bullet ever reaches them. have you ever shot a target at a long range with a 45? you can literally see the bullet flying through the air. I don't think i would trust using that against a mass shooter. 45 is only effective in close range events.
+--- 58069331
+>>58069001
+It's one that results in pressing (F) to pay respects.
+--- 58069445
+>>58068987
+Olympic used to sell .30 Carbine uppers and complete rifles. They closed their doors in 2017. I personally think it was their shitty plastic fantastic Whitney Wolverine copy .22 pistol that finally did them in. They'd been circling the drain for years.
+--- 58069479
+>>58067867
+So if I have a filter pump, that would be a buttpack thing? Also, by quick chow do you mean shit like power bars and smaller pre-packaged meals, like cans of stew or something? 
+I assume my esbit would be a creature comfort and thus a pack thing.
+--- 58069493
+>>58069479
+I gotta ask about the filter pump because those can be a bit bulky.
+--- 58070327
+>>58066906
+I was more worried about if I would hit it or not. I have winchester X powerpoints, I'm not going to cast my own bullets, that's too much. The guy at the gunshop told me that the bullets are a little overkill for pigs, I'm just wondering if a rifle sighted at 100m will shoot something accurately at 50 meters
+--- 58070482
+>>58065209
+Yep Daisy 880. Might be one of the black stocked models. Could either be the zamak (zinc) receiver 880s or the plastic; near impossible to tell with this quality.
+--- 58070516
+>>58066014
+I would say that's retarded but I'm intrigued.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuE0jkq4_1o [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEP39EovJ0k [Embed]
+--- 58070522
+>>58066237
+>I'd expect the gas tube to clog up really
+NTA but I wonder if running a smokeless round through the gun every mag or so would clear it out. That's what people do with the .22 conversions for ARs. Or so I hear.

k/58050043.txt

@@ -123,3 +123,282 @@ psilocybin does increase neuroplasticity so it isn't impossible dude either seri
 --- 58056619
 >>58050893
 Honestly looking forward to FC/ASW
+--- 58059382
+>>58050893
+me on the right
+--- 58059680
+>>58050893
+That thing looks huge
+--- 58060404
+>the cruise missile carried by an Air Force Special Operations Command MC-130J Commando II aircraft was armed, AFRL said in the release. The battle management system on the MC-130 received new targeting data in-flight, and then that data was routed to the cruise missile flight test vehicle. This was the first time new targeting data was received and uploaded to a live cruise missile during a flight.
+>When the MC-130 had reached the drop zone over the Gulf of Mexico, its crew airdropped the palletized munition system containing a single cruise missile, and three weights simulating the mass and shape of cruise missiles.
+>A parachute deployed to stabilize the falling Rapid Dragon system, and the missile and three dummy weights began to release sequentially to avoid collisions. The way in which the cruise missile separated from the deployment box this time was “unconventional,” AFRL said — it deployed vertically, with its nose down.
+>The cruise missile immediately sprung its wings and tail, got aerodynamic control of itself, fired up its engine and pulled up under the engine’s power. It then headed toward its target, which it destroyed upon impact
+ 
+Absolutely incredible capability here.
+--- 58063170
+>>58060404
+Does anyone else have a similar system?
+--- 58063180
+>>58063170
+Currently? No.
+
+But it's not something that would be TOO difficult to develop for SCALP or similar systems.
+
+
+That being said, no other country besides the US has such a massive fleet of cargo planes that can be used for this, so it makes the most sense for the US.
+--- 58063190
+>>58063180
+Ahh ok gotcha
+--- 58063196
+>>58063180
+>would be
+wouldn't be
+--- 58063876
+Storm shadow coper has been spotted
+>>58063750
+>>58063750
+--- 58063908
+>>58050218
+How do you know these details?
+--- 58064000
+>>58050150
+>>58060404
+For some reason Rapid Dragon is cooler to me than a dedicated bomber carrying it.
+--- 58064011
+>>58063180
+There's a problem that nobody except US also has this many cargo planes. If you're only limited to a dozen of small-ish planes like C-130 they don't really provide as much additional capability vs your normal bombers/fighters, especially if there's not many cruise missiles in your inventory to begin with.
+--- 58064121
+>>58059382
+>me on the right
+Nice to meet you mister Joël Barre.
+>>58059680
+The guy on the right is about 5'8" or about the same height as Macron if you want to get an idea of how long these mock ups are. Pic related. So they're probably about 4 meters long in both cases.
+--- 58064250
+>>58064000
+I mean, it's more useful too.
+
+The US has 43 B-1B bombers that can carry 24 JASSMs each, which is a total capacity of just 1032 JASSMs. The US has only 18 B-2s in service which can carry 16 JASSMs each, so 288 JASSMs, we also have 72 B-52s in service which can hold 20 JASSMs each, for another 1440 JASSMs. For a grand total of 2760 JASSMs.
+
+
+The US has 162 C-130H and 171 C-130J, both can fit 2 pallets of 6 JASSMs each for 3996 JASSMs total. The US also has 228 C-17s in service which can hold 5 pallets of 9 JASSMs each, for 10260 JASSMs total. The C-5 Galaxy isn't listed for Rapid Dragon, but there is no reason it couldn't be used for it, and since the C-17 which fits 18 463L pallets can fit 5x9 JASSMs, I assume the C-5 Galaxy, which can fit 36 463L pallets can fit 10x9 JASSM pallets each. Since the US has 52 C-5's in service that would be another 4680 JASSMs.
+Which would give the USAF cargo fleet a total JASSM capacity of 18936 JASSMs.
+
+So yeah, rapid dragon puts your dedicated bomber fleet to shame, the cargo fleet has almost 7x the missile capacity.
+--- 58064848
+Based
+--- 58064985
+>>58064250
+>The US has only 18 B-2s in service
+20, actually
+--- 58065050
+>>58064985
+21 were built, 1 was destroyed (AV-12), 1 is a permanent test/maintenance training vehicle (AV-18), and then 1 that damaged when the landing gear collapsed back in 2021 and is still under repair(AV-14), and then there was another that damaged a wing in Dec 2022 that is still being investigated and needs repairs (AV-16)
+That leaves 17 to 18 capable of service right now and realistically probably only half that are ACTUALLY flight-ready right this moment.
+--- 58065366
+I like how JASSM uses gps and waypoints to skim close to the ground
+--- 58065389
+>>58065366
+I mean, as long as your terrain mapping is up-to-date and accurate, that should work. Though I guess you'd still need to be concerned with EW/jamming. Probably not as good as having dedicated sensors for terrain hugging though.
+--- 58065404
+>>58050199
+>One french guy
+The eternal snail
+--- 58065529
+>>58065389
+M-code. Jam resistant GPS. The US invests a lot into it
+--- 58065542
+>>58065389
+It’s much better. Terrain masking is old tech used in stuff like tomahawks and b1 bombers. This is much more advanced
+--- 58065543
+>>58065529
+Not active yet, or only just became active in the last year or so. I also doubt most JASSMs have M-Code capability, if any.
+--- 58065548
+>>58065543
+They all have it. Straight from the manufacturers website.
+--- 58065601
+>>58065548
+Wanna know how I know you're wrong?
+
+See highlighted of pic-related (or read the whole thing if you want).
+--- 58065683
+>>58065543
+> Officials of the U.S. Air Force Life Cycle Management Center at Eglin Air Force Base, Fla., are asking the Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control segment in Orlando, Fla., to integrate M-Code capability into the Joint Air to Surface Standoff Missile (JASSM), and provide support for M-Code integration into the JASSM Extended Range, the Long-Range Anti-Ship Missile (LRASM), and any other JASSM variant.
+> M-Code signals can be steered to specific regions using spot beam transmissions from GPS Block III satellites; the transmitted signals are expected to be around 20 decibels more powerful than the conventional full-Earth coverage beam.
+> M-Code also provides the U.S. military to with location information about friendly forces. Its signals are encrypted and their receivers are able to detect and reject false signals.
+https://www.militaryaerospace.com/sensors/article/14281463/missile-gps-guidance-mcode
+--- 58065708
+>>58065683
+How does that change the fact they wont get the first lot of M-code capable JASSMs until 2026?
+see >>58065601
+--- 58065709
+>>58065683
+Now I’m impressed. This sets it leagues ahead of its closest competitor. Will foreign users have access to this feature?
+--- 58065724
+>>58065708
+It doesn’t. But it actively improves on an already stellar system.
+--- 58065751
+>>58065683
+giga based
+--- 58065773
+>>58065683
+God bless America
+--- 58065791
+>>58065724
+Oh I agree, I'm just saying we shouldn't lie and say they "all have it" as said here >>58065548
+
+JASSM will have M-code capability when it gets upgraded to the AGM-158B-3, the first lot delivery is expected to begin in Feb 2026.
+--- 58065851
+>>58055841
+>He event went as far as to say that it can’t fly below 1600 ft
+Which is incredibly retarded since it's basically the same hardware as LRASM which is a sea-skimming anti-ship version of JASSM.
+
+Like clearly it can do low-altitude flight profiles if they want it to.
+--- 58065884
+>>58065851
+Preaching to the choir. A video of JASSM sea skimming is posted itt
+--- 58065937
+>>58065851
+why is lrasm painted black while JASSM isn't?
+--- 58065941
+>>58065937
+Check mate JASSM fans
+--- 58065954
+>>58065937
+I don't think it always is, I've seen pictures of both grey painted and black painted missiles where they're claiming it's a picture of LRASM and not JASSM.
+
+So I don't think it HAS to be black.
+--- 58066446
+>>58050150
+>>58065851
+>>58065884
+
+Flying straight and level over the sea is not the same as terrain following. Jassm is not designed to fly low level terrain following trajectories. Just look at storm shadow fins vs jassm
+
+Also BROACH > KEP and anything else is cope
+--- 58066467
+>>58066446
+> Jassm is not designed to fly low level terrain following trajectories
+Yes it is. Target planners pick altitude and use waypoints to hide behind whatever terrain features they need. It’s a much more advanced flight profile than tomahawk terrain masking.
+--- 58066479
+>>58066446
+> BROACH > KEP
+Source?
+--- 58066532
+>>58066446
+>it CANT fly below 1600 ft
+>well sea skimming doesn’t count
+???
+--- 58066543
+>>58066446
+>Also BROACH > KEP
+If the US wanted JASSM to use BROACH it would. The US already uses BROACH on JSOW.
+--- 58066547
+> The AGM-158 JASSM was originally a Navy-Air Force program to develop a low-observable cruise missile capable of penetrating heavily defended enemy airspace and destroying high-value targets. Through the use of a stealthy airframe, low-altitude ground-skimming flight, and the ability to fly around known enemy defenses, JASSM was a “day one” weapon capable of attacking targets on the very first day of an air campaign before enemy air defenses were shut down.
+https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a19843076/syria-attack-jassm-er-new-long-range-strike-missile/
+--- 58066685
+>>58066532
+He thinks If he can convince people that the JASSM can’t fly low that it negates all of its other major advantages. He started these threads to try and shoehorn the stormshadow as some type of mythical weapon
+--- 58066694
+>>58066685
+The fact SCALP is being replaced and JASSM is being upgraded and iterated should tell you everything.
+--- 58066835
+>>58066694
+Scalp is only being replaced in the UK. Other nations will still be using it
+--- 58066892
+>>58066835
+Who?
+
+Both france and the UK are getting FC/ASW, just because there are current export customers for SCALP doesn't mean they wont also switch to FC/ASW once it's offered for export.
+--- 58067109
+>>58066467
+Except if you try to fly it properly low level, then your mission planner will tell you that you'll smash into the first hill you come across and that you should fly it at its designed minimum terrain following height of 1600ft
+
+>>58066543
+Why would BROACH exist if it didn't provide advantages for the same weight? Any idiot can build a hardened pointy tube.
+--- 58067167
+>>58065851
+--- 58067210
+>>58067109
+> Except if you try to fly it properly low level, then your mission planner will tell you that you'll smash into the first hill you come across and that you should fly it at its designed minimum terrain following height of 1600ft
+May I see a source that mission planners say this? Sounds like huge cope
+--- 58067237
+>>58067109
+It doesn’t use terrain following it uses gps and waypoints and mission planners can absolutely avoid elevated hills. Scalp can’t use waypoints
+--- 58067252
+>>58067109
+>Why would BROACH exist if it didn't provide advantages for the same weight? Any idiot can build a hardened pointy tube.
+Actually US warheads aren't just a "hardened pointy tube". The missile steers itself to align the warhead perfectly along its descent path, stabilizing the warhead so it goes straight into the ground. This is much more efficient than regular fins on gravity bombs like the JDAM or Paveway. For example, the 200lb warhead SDB that uses this technology(it was actually developed for it initially) is capable of penetrating as much concrete as the older 2000lb BLU-109 hardened penetration bomb.
+--- 58067269
+>>58067252
+pic related
+--- 58067271
+>>58067109
+If you have a proper terrain map of the area, GPS should provide a pretty good degree of accuracy, even for vertical (altitude) accuracy. Sure if you have no terrain map of the area or it's old as shit and new buildings have been built or some shit, then yeah you could have problems, but assuming the map is up to date and you have proper altitudes on your map, I don't see why GPS can't be used.
+--- 58067300
+>>58067109
+>Why would BROACH exist if it didn't provide advantages for the same weight? Any idiot can build a hardened pointy tube.
+Why would the US CHOOSE not to use BROACH if BROACH were the best option? The US already uses BROACH in JSOW, the US clearly has access to the technology, yet they actively have chosen NOT to use BROACH warheads in any other weapon system.
+
+Do you think the US is just too scared to pack such a POWERFUL warhead like BROACH or do you think maybe the US has other warheads they deem better suited for the mission, or even just straight up better performing than BROACH.
+--- 58067314
+>>58067252
+JSOW-C was developed before the SDB and the related tech so it actually is one of the few munitions that uses BROACH-like warhead.
+--- 58067322
+>>58067237
+How the fuck can it not use waypoints if it has gps, just fly to the coordinates it's right there haha
+--- 58067364
+>>58067252
+>literally just incidence reduction
+>ameritards think this is as effective as 2 explosions for the weight of 1
+--- 58067365
+>>58067322
+Scalp doesn’t have the option to use waypoints. Don’t get mad at me for it
+--- 58067379
+>>58067364
+It's literally a 1000% improvement over 80s technology, it seems they're onto something here.
+--- 58067439
+thank god
+--- 58067554
+Source?
+--- 58067895
+>>58067554
+For what?
+--- 58067979
+>>58065683
+--- 58069362
+>>58050150
+Thats hot
+--- 58069646
+>>58051119
+>>58051268
+https://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/news/defense-aviation-news/2021/june-2021/7390-us-navy-plans-to-arm-f-a-18e-f-and-f-35c-with-us-air-force-jassm-er-cruise-missile.html
+
+the navy at least is planning on JASSM-ER integration on the F-35C. australia is buying them for their F-35As.
+--- 58070464
+>>58050150
+>video
+...shit. JASSM is ultimately supposed to be an orbital munition, isn't it? an autonomous stealth cruise missile that can be dropped out of the sky.
+--- 58070526
+I'm begging Lockheed Martin god for a ground launched variant
+--- 58070559
+>>58050043 (OP)
+nice
+--- 58070690
+>>58070526
+They are making a surface launched version of the LRASM, the SL-LRASM, that can be launched from Mk-41 VLS cells, along with the Army's new Typhoon launch system. They tested it years ago, and decided to focus on the air launched version first. Australia is partnering with LM to produce it, Australia will be designing the booster rocket for it. Then they're seriously considering restarting the LRASM-B, a ramjet powered Mach 5+ air/surface launched CM. The original DARPA program broke LRASM into two sub-programs: LRASM-A, and LRASM-B. LRASM-A is the AGM-158C that we have today, which they focused on as it was deemed the easier design to field fast because of the use of matured technologies from JASSM. LRASM-B is a carry-on from the 1970s ASALM program which - in flight testing - reached a speed of Mach 5.4. LRASM-B and ASALM look remarkably similar, and use similar propulsion tech.
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG5Za-BVqFE [Embed]
+--- 58070692
+>>58070690
+--- 58070699
+>>58070690
+>LRASM-B
+--- 58070707
+>>58070699
+More.
+--- 58070721
+>>58070707
+LRASM-B to ASALM comparison.
+--- 58070729
+>>58070721

k/58050230.txt

@@ -187,13 +187,6 @@ Yeah, thats what the movie is referring to as well. Its just that my mind read i
 --- 58052752
 >>58052709
 Wow. That ad was two years before I was even born. No wonder I haven't heard of it.
---- 58052911
->>58050230 (OP)
->latest update
->conscript wave #92374 totally won yesterday
->now we are getting killed by Russians again
->but the latest victory means Russia is on the losing side
->the end
 --- 58053005
 >>58052911
 >victory is loss
@@ -399,3 +392,43 @@ Where do you think all the children are going?
 --- 58057654
 >>58057636
 they still push the flat earth shit, mind you, they've just got other shit they're focusing on even more
+--- 58059874
+>>58057487
+Prigozhin has ordered the summary execution of all civillians in Bakhmut, including children, because they can't be arse to deal with them, so this might be more correct than you think.
+--- 58059878
+>>58053499
+>various directions
+Some advanced 60 meters sideways, preparing an encirclement within the next 6 months.
+Some advanced about 80 meters away from the enemy to secure various important tactical positions.
+A few advanced up the grain elevator, about 20 meters, gaining the high ground.
+We have consequently informed the Ukrainians, that it is thus over.
+--- 58060719
+>>58055873
+I want to hear more about the Melitopol partisans.
+--- 58061003
+>>58051736
+>regards
+--- 58063842
+>>58051290
+>Jeb!
+I still believe
+--- 58064044
+>>58050276
+They are taking the gloves off as we speak
+--- 58064245
+>>58051736
+You really need to stop coming here.
+--- 58067161
+>>58051736
+you really need to turn off your computer and talk to people with less internet brain poisoning
+--- 58067434
+>>58051736
+I think you might be on to something anon
+--- 58067547
+>>58056019
+>116 Wagnerites died for 230m
+>ISW doesn't bother with it
+WHAT'S THE PRICE OF A MILE?
+--- 58069966
+Here's a webm of how the Battle of Bakhmut as progressed since December 14th to May 3rd. 
+I compiled this together using militarylanddotnet's maps.

k/58050764.txt

@@ -344,3 +344,48 @@ Ah now I see it! Thank you
 >that infinitesimal hint of pubic hair on the left
 
 AI... it gets me
+--- 58060143
+>>58058222
+>Doesn't use two hands on the stylus for maximum precision control of your line work
+
+Ngmi
+--- 58060737
+>>58050764 (OP)
+congratulate them on not being a low iq cuck
+--- 58060807
+>>58058196
+based and commissariat pilled
+--- 58061742
+>>58051787
+because as most frog pieces it conveys a strong mood
+--- 58065058
+>>58050764 (OP)
+>what should be the punishment for soldiers who desert/refuse to fight?
+Six months in the tank with a black eared nipple biter.
+--- 58065817
+>>58053398
+I don't know, some of the AI-generated '80s movie art looks pretty fucking sick.
+--- 58065855
+>>58051787
+--- 58066310
+>>58053425
+>>58053488
+This is something that bothered me a lot, even the most basic concept of a gun should be achievable but it's an orgy of attachments and 3D pipes screensaver. Most tactitool prompts are difficult.
+--- 58068243
+>>58053579
+You know what? You got me convinced.
+How did you generate this? Eli5 I know fuck all.
+--- 58068309
+>>58050764 (OP)
+That retarded confused anime face is so fuckong annoying. Makes me want to smash their faces in. And who the hell makes these anime girl versions of everything. It's so childish and gay. I don't understand how you get to 18yo and don't get rid of those gay cringy emotions by then.
+--- 58068750
+>>58068309
+huh what huh?
+--- 58068983
+>>58068309
+You have an undeveloped amygdala
+--- 58070021
+Curious, seem to be a fair concentration of vets and Thier kids, and knowledgeable guys...
+Let's say, hypothetically, Im a diagnosed schizophrenic, with high fighting autism, and oppositional defiance disorder....
+I've been operating on the assumption there would be no place in the machine for such a potential liability.
+Thoughts?

k/58051478.txt

@@ -154,3 +154,116 @@ That happened at Alligator Creek as well according to Leckie.
 >alligators are all on the Japanese side
 >the Marines can hear Japanese soldiers screaming for help and being drowned then eaten by gators
 >they are all thankful the gators are on the Japanese side
+--- 58059043
+In the Australian goldrush of the late 1800's, thousands of chinks and hundreds of whites were eaten by Australian aborginal tribes. Back in those days, all abbos were cannibals, unless under whiteys thumb. Supposedly chinks tasted like sweet pork and were consumed as a delicacy, but whites were only eaten out of hunger, because they had a bitter aftertaste.
+--- 58059193
+>>58051478 (OP)
+Wasn't in an active warzone, however we were patrolling at the border for 3 months. Thick woods, relatively flat, perfect for boars. Boars are fucking horrifying. We were told never to shoot at a boar, unless it attacked us of course. Often we had to stay in place for literal hours if a boar happened to block our path. If you even tried to go around it you would risk provoking it. The only upside was that we got to see some of the younglings here and there and they were pretty cute.
+--- 58059208
+We had our tent ransacked by a bear that stole one of our backpacks. Was fun trying to find it knowing that there's a fucking best here and we only have blanks.
+--- 58059511
+>>58057918
+They probably found species that are officially undiscovered to this day
+--- 58059535
+>>58058293
+>beaver builds a dam in your trench
+>half of it floods
+--- 58059570
+>>58051776
+
+It's the culmination of a number of issues, the Japanese were going through several days of march to mangrove trees that are a terrible terrain and the thousands of japanese in the area ate about any available wildlife over the previousonths as their supplies were cut off. 
+So you had sickly japanese walking trough terrible terrain perfect for the crocodiles to lie in ambush and the crocodiles were absolutely starved. 
+Also the Japanese went trough a large area with leeches and likely many Japanese just died from malaria and we're eaten afterwards but overall just trying to sleep in a makeshift ammock between mangrove trees with your ass just above water in a place infested by hungry crocodiles is going to result in casualties. 
+In particular when several people get lost and go around in random patterns and are more afraid of the Americans than the Crocs so they rather risk being eaten than being shot.
+Also japanese ammo had often water issues.
+--- 58059594
+>>58051516
+>Good morning sheers!
+>Was not there a sheer time where the sheers sheered so much sheer amounts of sheered sheer that sheers sheered sheer, sirs?
+--- 58059769
+>>58051631
+>>58051655
+Burma was such a bizarre shitshow.
+>"Vinegar" Joe Stillwell
+>Hated his British allies, hated his soldiers, hated the Chinese (especially Kai-shek), hated the Japanese, hated his fellow American generals (except for George Marshall), and continually pissed off Roosevelt because he kept reporting on the incompetence and corruption of the Chinese.
+>Chiang Kai-Shek
+>Didn't care about fighting the Japanese, just wanted that sweet lendlease so he could sell it on the black market
+>Orde Wingate
+>Completely fucking insane (would walk out of the shower to give orders wearing nothing but a shower cap and still scrubbing himself, wore an alarm clock on his wrist that would go off randomly, wore a necklace made of onions and garlic).
+>Montebatten
+>Liked young boys
+>Merril's Marauders
+>Had dysentery so bad, they cut out the back of their pants so they could shit without having to pull them off
+>Cannibal headhunters lived in the jungle and hunted Japanese soldiers
+>Salt water crocs being assholes
+--- 58061463
+>>58051516
+>https://twitter.com/Punished_Maximo/status/1652654141771055105
+--- 58061505
+>>58051516
+>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk2V1eRH7jo [Embed]
+--- 58061603
+>>58051687
+AAAA KURWA BOBER BOBER NIE SPIERDALAJ MORDO
+--- 58062792
+>>58051687
+o kurwa bober
+--- 58063552
+>>58051702
+kurwa bobr
+--- 58063658
+>>58051478 (OP)
+Surprised no one has brought up the battle of the bees yet.
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tanga
+
+"The 98th Infantry were attacked by swarms of angry bees and broke up. The bees attacked the Germans as well, hence the battle's nickname.[11] British propaganda transformed the bee interlude into a fiendish German plot, conjuring up hidden trip wires to agitate the hives.[12] The 13th Rajputs failed to play a significant role in the battle as their morale had been shaken when witnessing the retreat of the 63rd Palamcottah Light Infantry."
+--- 58063899
+>>58063658
+--- 58063958
+>>58058414
+bessy is a traitor giving away their position like that
+--- 58064051
+>>58051478 (OP)
+If anyone was wondering it's a marbled polecat
+--- 58065641
+>>58058414
+Shit, they're surrounded. It's over
+--- 58065842
+>>58058414
+>We're surrounding by Moobiks
+--- 58066015
+>>58051478 (OP)
+deer regularly got blown up at the 25mm range at ft. carson
+--- 58066199
+>>58051687
+give the beaver and mosin, he'll make for fine rank and file
+--- 58066253
+>>58058414
+Gib milk
+--- 58066565
+>>58058414
+>owners died or fled
+>looks like winter so they don't have anything to eat
+>come to humans because humans always fed them
+>these ones only laugh
+--- 58066764
+>>58066253
+GIB
+--- 58067882
+Alright now where's the psychopath that's going to insist on shooting this thing? There's always one of them in these threads.
+--- 58068689
+>>5806584
+There's video of them eating 120mm M1002 TPMP-T on thermals. They explode when hit. The only way there could have been less meat on them afterwards is if they were hit by an AR-15
+--- 58068843
+>>58066565
+Now I am sad
+--- 58068988
+>>58058414
+>cows
+I love cattle. They're really man's best friend. Cows and humans, into the future, forever.
+--- 58069687
+>>58068988
+Same bro. I took care of some cattle while the dickhead owner was in hospital and one of the bulls was like a 3 ton dog and would come up for lovings before he would allow me to feed anyone. His son was an actual retard tho and im glad i ate him
+--- 58070190
+>>58051687
+Nice beaver

k/58051715.txt

@@ -233,3 +233,48 @@ Holy shit I'm going to donate plasma thanks so much. Do you think they pay for m
 --- 58058473
 >>58058265
 Did you miss the part at the very top where it says it's for poorfags?
+--- 58059819
+>>58052917
+Might as well get some pads for the pussy you are.
+--- 58060234
+>>58057123
+Tacticool I guess
+--- 58060273
+>>58051746
+>Mosin Nagant
+>$190
+Oh, the simpler times...
+--- 58063561
+>>58051715 (OP)
+>the Meme320 is approved
+>Springfield XD is approved
+>the good Sig and VP9 aren't
+Fuck off Cohen, we know it's you
+--- 58063576
+>>58053649
+Unironically enlist or kys
+--- 58064081
+>>58054888
+It popped T heads while I was clearing the B site pretty well
+--- 58064091
+>>58051715 (OP)
+there is literally nothing wrong with the VP9
+--- 58064406
+>>58051715 (OP)
+>hi power
+>2 cz 75s 
+>fnx / fns
+I see /k/ has always been infested with shills.
+--- 58064675
+>/k/ approved
+
+This means nothing. Most of this board is noguns.
+--- 58064955
+>>58051731
+The CZ’s gorgeous mannlicher stock mogging all those bare barrels
+--- 58066825
+>>58058473
+Noguns like you really can't help themselves can they?
+--- 58066869
+>>58054888
+i actually have one, thought i lost it then refound it, its... a gun. not terrible not great

k/58052510.txt

@@ -308,11 +308,6 @@ Is that supposed to pass as a real article?
 --- 58053052
 >>58053029
 They try to pass as real humans
---- 58053058
->>58052510 (OP)
-It's some corrupt official's private stash of embezzled and stolen weapons they found.
-Imagine how many thousands of such hiding places there are now full of western weapons.
-Good for wagner.
 --- 58053078
 >>58052789
 What gun is this
@@ -953,3 +948,254 @@ The twin-mounted water-cooled M2 Browning machine guns (picrel) had a hand-power
 >>58056369
 >>58058878
 Here's a photo of the other side of the "water chest".
+--- 58058902
+>>58052510 (OP)
+American Death Star found! Not underneath Red Forest as originally believed by top Russian scientists.
+--- 58058929
+>>58052583
+>Ukraine had enough weapons combined with the political will to field 1 million men.
+>but they didn’t for some reason
+Alright.
+--- 58058939
+>>58058882
+>>58058878
+I double-checked. They also made single-mount M2s with circulated water-jackets, as well as a higher-capacity water chest with a pump operated by two men (picrel).
+--- 58058942
+>>58052767
+>armies keep enough guns and ammo to field their current army multiple times over directly on the front lines in one spot 
+Plausible.
+--- 58059007
+You know it's real because only several months passed since they took Soledar. Remember when Russians took over Lysychansk and needed a week to prepare "captured" vehicles? All of which turned out to be captured weeks and months ago into completely different places
+--- 58059071
+>>58058467
+You might want to go research the stemple again, pretty sure they weren’t a thing until post-nam at earliest.
+--- 58059090
+>>58052510 (OP)
+>Prigozhin says
+--- 58059126
+>>58053300
+it's like one of those gatcha/gambling games 
+the first (free) spin is always something nice but after that you get jack and shit
+--- 58059137
+>>58052510 (OP)
+honest question how did they just find those now?
+didn't they sweep the mines when they captured them a few months ago?
+--- 58059139
+>>58059071
+I'm retarded. I misread. They took stemples, and then took ex Russian lend lease thompson shells, and married the two together. 
+My skim read effort translated into: "The Thompsons the Russians had were Stemples"
+--- 58059149
+Lmao that account. The Russians are still holding onto their biolabs narrative?
+--- 58059150
+>>58052789
+>grabs modern weapon suspiciously on top of the paper
+>lifts paper from the same box
+>Thompson machine guns
+>guy starts ruffling the paper of another box underneath
+>"oh shit better not"
+
+LMAO i bet all but those two shown boxes are empty too.
+--- 58059184
+>>58059137
+They needed time to move those boxes in. Prigogine is giant media slut
+--- 58059199
+The idea there are secret soviet weapon caches hidden all over Ukraine that the Russian troops are using like video game pickups is kind of funny.
+But, reality probably shitty propaganda to cope with arming troops with this stuff.
+--- 58059243
+I wonder how much of the ammunition detonates instead of conflagrates.
+Capturing western opponents ammunition is often not safe at all.
+--- 58059338
+>>58057985
+They've got a bigger problem on hand if they can't supply their troops with enough rifles. I know we meme'd about the state of the AKs coming out of storage, but if I start seeing images of these getting pressed into service in significant numbers I'm going to fucking lose it
+--- 58059743
+>>58053300
+Oh my god. That's how mobile game loot boxes work.
+>mfw Prigozhin starts talking about Raid Shadow Legends on the video
+--- 58059771
+>>58053503
+>Lend lease WW2 equipment vs lend lease 2022 equipment
+Unexpected kino
+When is the lendlease P39 vs lendlease F-16 matchup
+--- 58059790
+>w.... we're not out of modern weapons!!!! we're only arming soldiers with 60 year old equipment because Ukraine gave it to us for free!!!!
+
+lmao
+--- 58059861
+>>58054529
+this footage reminded me of Family Guns on NatGeo. buying crates of old weapons and finding them not rusty and seeing their reactions was peak sovl.
+--- 58059866
+>>58058878
+That looks like a New Zealand insignia on it.
+--- 58060754
+>>58053078
+Disregard the retards ITT saying it's a Thompson. It's a PPS-41. Fucking tourists.
+--- 58060779
+>>58054593
+>video games aren't getting worse, you're just getting older--
+--- 58060817
+>>58052510 (OP)
+Maxims, Mosin rifles and PPSh-41s. Soledar mines were used to stockpile old WW2 infantry firearms. No ammo, no artillery shells, no rockets or anything remotely useful to current conflict. Yes, Russians are going to make a buck by selling all that stuff to antique vendors.
+--- 58060833
+>>58055566
+It is shit, by the way. The waste of ammo.
+--- 58061683
+>>58054090
+Fun fact: The Ruskie who shot his local mobilization commissar did it with a sawed off M1870 Berdan-II rifle.
+--- 58061803
+>>58061683
+was it the 54r rechamber?
+--- 58061839
+>>58054001
+they must be really fucking temp controlled for a damn snowman to survive in there without melting
+--- 58061853
+>>58058008
+Cope is the new phrase vatniggers use when people call out their bullshit
+>6 gorillion dead piggies mmmmm )))) youre coping if you think Im wrong ))))))))
+--- 58061890
+>>58061803
+10.75×58mm
+--- 58061898
+>>58054843
+They already did, they are announcing it now since they sold them off. Announcing ti prematurely would lead to massive drop in the price. Use your fucking brain.
+--- 58062571
+>>58061683
+>The Ruskie
+His name is Ruslan Zinin and he will not be forgotten, unlike those Russians that perished and continue to perish in Bakhmut.
+https://en.zona.media/article/2023/04/02/zinin
+--- 58062701
+>>58054679
+This was made when the game first came out to show the lack of content. While the lack of weapons kind of made sense (it was only 1942-1943 time frame) the lack of AFVs was pretty stark. Their excuse was it took a long time to get the interiors modeled because they were so detailed, but I'm not sure how much I buy it. No T-60 no T-70 no Pz.III no StuG no SU76 no APCs, just really bare bones. They added PzIIIs T70s and APCs in later along with the MG42 and PPS42, but the tank maps were always so buggy and unpopular that it never really stuck. Sad fuckin times bro.
+--- 58063022
+>>58060754
+PPsh is unironically a very viable personal defense weapon you can give to non front line grunts 
+And the military police who got by on 38 WheelGuns can get a Nagant and that way more modern guns are saved for the front
+--- 58063240
+>>58061890
+is there a video of the incident? Was there a big black powder smoke cloud?
+--- 58063256
+>>58060754
+Its a FAMAS
+--- 58063329
+i support the unprovoked russian aggression against ukraine.
+--- 58063537
+>>58063240
+There is video. But it's very low quality and hard to see any details like gun smoke.
+--- 58063917
+>>58052652
+>fucking maxims
+
+I mean, even assuming its true, fucking lol
+--- 58063966
+who wouldn't be happy to find a cave of crates filled with thompsons and maxims?
+--- 58064217
+>>58063240
+--- 58064226
+>>58062571
+--- 58064239
+>>58064217
+Based beyond belief
+--- 58064242
+>>58063966
+Shills need to counter each others narratives. Pulling prefect condition WW2 weapons out of storage is a pure /k/ Wet dream. Not a great victory like Russians are pretending but neither is it all useless garbage.
+--- 58064255
+>>58064217
+>>58064226
+How come this only happened literally one time?
+--- 58064264
+>>58054529
+Aren't these worth an actual fucktonne? They could sell these for massive money.
+--- 58064275
+>source: a random indian on twitter
+SIRS!!!!
+--- 58064276
+>>58064264
+Registered in the US, sure. 
+
+But it's going to be costly to get them there and get them legally registered.
+--- 58064340
+/k/ be like
+>hahaha! They found MOSINS and MAXIMS to fight against the ukranians with! Hahaha how stupid! Theyll NEVER win using such old and useless technology!
+
+/k/ also be like
+>im gonna defeat the US government with my obscure milsurp and mosin nagant! Moldy labia! Come and take it!
+--- 58064464
+>>58052510 (OP)
+a better question is 'what will the ruskies do with it all' because it's a bunch of dinosaurs
+
+>auction on private grey/black markets for numismatic value, evade import bans by channeling through second parties? cash siphon for grey/black ops?
+>issue to backline militias (training purposes, run through the corrosive ammo to teach greenhorns to tame their giggle switches?) freeing modern weaponry for the front?
+>a fresh fire sale to Africa of the automatics, because whoever's buying don't know better?
+>actually equip Wagner's penal troop chaff with the shit? (they're not supposed to sustain combat, just screen, pressure, eat shells and possibly worm away to do it again to let actual PMC men operate, for which basketfulls of thompsons and 70-80+ year old ammo may be sufficient with their high turnover rate)
+--- 58064740
+>>58053503
+>And lend lease M1928 Thompsons...
+ITS NOT FAIR
+--- 58064816
+>>58064340
+So the US is prepared to flatten its own cities?
+--- 58064858
+>>58064340
+>im gonna defeat the US government with my obscure milsurp and mosin nagant! Moldy labia! Come and take it!
+yes
+>Women, men and children fight
+>They were dying side by side
+>And the blood they shed upon the streets
+>Was a sacrifice willingly paid
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzeNBRbWXpI [Embed]
+--- 58064918
+>>58064255
+I can guarantee you it wasn't the only one. The Russians aren't going to advertise how easy it is to blast a commissar to the masses
+--- 58064926
+>>58052510 (OP)
+If this is real, wouldn't it be an incredible treasure trove? Thousands of antique, mint weapons?
+--- 58064945
+>>58052510 (OP)
+Oh, so I guess the Russian MoD doesn't need to supply Fagner anymore, seeing as the Fagnerites "found" all this free gear.
+--- 58064947
+>>58064858
+NTA but
+>proof? this sabaton song tee hee!
+How to say you're not old enough to legally buy cigarettes without explicitly saying so lmao
+--- 58064951
+>>58064340
+>>58064816
+what you need to understand here is that these are two opposing nations fighting one another, this is not a civil war, there won't be russian partisans acting against the ukrainians or their army. the Ukrainians are both the partisans and the army in their own nation. these are limited value for modern mechanized infantry, presenting logistical constraints for large scale ammunition supply to the wider army.
+
+you are strategic thinkinglets
+--- 58064952
+>>58064947
+>not old enough
+fuck off even my steam account is of legal drinking age
+--- 58065023
+>>58052510 (OP)
+>https://twitter.com/i/status/1653405851082711041
+>Unlike the West - which is a 'temple' of propaganda and lies, - the Russians usually say the truth or nothing at all! 
+Seems like it is a comedy account.
+--- 58065037
+>>58053595
+>Strange, Bernie looks more healthy than Prigozhin
+Prigozhin hadn't "fed" that day.
+
+As soon as he feed again, it'll be morbin' time.
+--- 58065046
+>>58065037
+>Nosferatu has been noted for its themes regarding fear of the Other, as well as for possible anti-Semitic undertones,[1] both of which may have been partially derived from the Bram Stoker novel Dracula, upon which the film was based.[7] The physical appearance of Count Orlok, with his hooked nose, long claw-like fingernails, and large bald head, has been compared to stereotypical caricatures of Jewish people from the time in which Nosferatu was produced.[8]
+--- 58065355
+>>58052987
+Iirc Russians took solidarity relatively quickly (moreover than other places during this war)
+--- 58067037
+>>58052510 (OP)
+Why is /k/ making stuff up? Wagner never claimed the modern ak was actually found in the warehouse
+--- 58067125
+>>58052745
+Soledar took months. They had time.
+--- 58067229
+>>58065037
+no that's just resting Russian face many such cases
+--- 58069076
+I love how they got every Kremlin embarrassment thread off while keeping this one. So much effort
+--- 58069809
+>>58067125
+no it didnt both stalled due to heavy rain 
+yes some shelling happened but the russians were far away still
+the actual battle lasted less than a month

k/58052941.txt

@@ -36,9 +36,6 @@ I like how you can see those steel balls impacting all around trench, including
 You didn't even open the video, you're just here to cope.
 --- 58053042
 LMFAO holy fuck.
---- 58053080
->>58052941 (OP)
-Kill your self pigger fags. This doesn,t change the fact Russia is WINNING
 --- 58053091
 >58052978
 This is a bot post
@@ -220,8 +217,6 @@ This is /cyb/ AS FUCK.
 --- 58056140
 >>58053236
 >War... has changed.
---- 58056242
->>58053159
 --- 58056354
 >>58056242
 --- 58056384
@@ -380,3 +375,328 @@ you can still do that also they brought back placings ieds on friendlies again
 >There is a non zero possibility that we will see them IRL during this war.
 
 I got boner.
+--- 58058898
+>>58053080
+--- 58058909
+>>58058817
+Bannable offence. Too OP. Nerf pls.
+--- 58059002
+>>58058224
+I dunno if tube arty would get them high enough to be useful but rocket arty would definitely be worth it
+--- 58059420
+>>58058243
+>green iff tape seen multiple times in webm
+cope you retard
+--- 58059577
+>>58058806
+>this thing is the ancestor of the weapon that will be killing american/japs/korean in droves in the future wars
+--- 58059827
+>>58052959
+>https://files.catbox.moe/b7gu3o.mp4
+Oh my god I never though I would miss the shitty hardbass remixes.
+--- 58059942
+>>58052941 (OP)
+>They fly now
+War is getting both faggier and scarier by the day, God knows what new fucked up horror will come out tomorrow
+
+>>58053236
+Jesus Christ we are in the future now aren’t we?
+--- 58060096
+God damn battlefield crafting like it's a ubisoft game.
+>>58052980
+Same
+--- 58060142
+I love how years ago /k/ supported and loved russia
+and now that (((current thing))) is here, you guys vehemently hate russia 
+
+Fucking reddit takeover.
+--- 58060179
+>>58060142
+you werent even here years ago
+--- 58060248
+>>58053236
+I still remember pictures and vids from Crimea, when Russian troops wearing their brand new ratnik kits and digital flora camo, while Ukies looked like a late cold war museums exhibition.
+--- 58060308
+>>58060142
+you weren't here years ago you faggot
+--- 58060340
+>>58060142
+>/k/ supported and loved russian gear
+FTFY
+--- 58060370
+>>58060142
+They're all transplants. Every ukie lover, when pressed, basically admits that he's European nogunz. Lots of posters from Poland, Germany, France, UK, etc that have never fired a gun in their life. Slava ukraini
+--- 58060577
+>>58060142
+>>58060370
+guns and timestamp, faggots
+--- 58060634
+>>58060142
+>loved russia
+Don't confuse liking cheap slavshit mil surplus for liking Russia, my smoothbrained sub-human dravidian shillfren.
+--- 58060650
+>>58053080
+You're numbers are dwindling. Less people are buying your Bullshit now. I wonder why you still think you have any hope russia can win. Each shit post you make is a knife in your own foot. If I were you I'd get a day job and forgot about this war and Russia.
+--- 58060677
+>>58060142
+Lmao who the fuck are you?
+--- 58060723
+>>58060370
+Only brain dead actually support the manlet putin. We can enjoy soviet weapoms and shit, but when it comes to actually supporting the Kremlin regime.. well you'd actually have to be retarded to do that.
+--- 58060738
+>>58056242
+She was talking about casualties, i.e. both wounded and killed soldiers.
+--- 58060767
+>>58060142
+Uh ? Maybe their gear because the myth was that it was rustic, simple, easy to repair and to maintain and only looked like shit. Now we know it is just crap and doesn't work.
+--- 58060952
+>>58053236
+>>58053270
+Are we in the cyberpunk yet?
+--- 58061423
+>>58058646
+Putting wings on vatniks
+--- 58061488
+>>58056242
+Heh, women.
+--- 58061541
+>>58053236
+the future is now old man
+--- 58061566
+>>58053236
+--- 58063008
+>>58053640
+1. It's not.
+2. Doubly so if we're talking about anime, Appleseed the manga is great but its anime adaptations are all various flavors of bad.
+--- 58063035
+>>58053291
+--- 58063062
+>>58052941 (OP)
+seems like best move would be to run at the drone and dive to ground
+--- 58063101
+>>58060952
+>yet
+we've been here since the rona outbreak, I mean goddamn the Pinkertons are back in full swing is only a matter of time before corps start hiring mercs for corporate espionage
+--- 58063113
+>>58053236
+--- 58063206
+>>58056056
+Is that the cyber city oedo 808 episode with the betrayed engineer of a skyscraper?
+--- 58063338
+>>58060340
+do you not remember Ivan the tripfag, everyone loved his fake russian retard shenanigans. he turned out to be BOOF under a different trip btw
+--- 58063485
+>>58052941 (OP)
+is there hq copy of the art girl logo they use?
+--- 58063532
+>>58052978
+Russian copium is truly infinite
+--- 58064189
+>>58063206
+Yes. This is Molcos which Golgol (the big hacker dude) had to fight in episode 2 or 3. Benton had to fight a psychic vampire in a geo syncronious space station.
+--- 58064312
+>>58052941 (OP)
+>>58052959
+>>58053236
+These guys are so cool.
+Vibes are through the roof.
+--- 58064391
+These guys are proof video games can turn you into a mass murderer.
+--- 58064508
+>>58064391
+child traffickers are not human
+nice try though anon
+would you like to go into the woodchipper feet or head first?
+--- 58064528
+>>58053236
+>>58052941 (OP)
+Cyberpunk is the present
+--- 58064534
+Fuck, can you image the rush when you're launching a drone and you know you're going to kill someone? I bet people would pay for that experience.
+--- 58064603
+>>58057640
+Holy shit that screaming drone swarm noise at the end. Must sound hellish on the ground.
+--- 58064649
+>>58057830
+>CICADA
+>HAARM
+>ATACMS
+>Seawizz
+I want to enlist but only if I get to be the guy who makes fun acronyms
+--- 58064674
+>>58057830
+>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1Soa5bWrmE [Embed]
+This guy watched way too much FliteTest, holy shit
+--- 58064685
+>>58063101
+>before corps start hiring mercs
+that's what russian corpos are doing right now
+>robots 
+>AIs
+>corpos
+we already there, while stupid mongrels squabble in their nonsensical politics, cyberpunk is taking over our world, chrome up or die, world is gonna be a shitshow in coming decades
+--- 58064728
+>>58058817
+I think for a while you could in fact put C4 on a drone in bad company 2 or bf3
+--- 58064762
+>>58052941 (OP)
+What anime is this symbol from?
+--- 58064800
+>>58064762
+It looks like an Aegishjalmur rune.
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helm_of_Awe
+--- 58064803
+>>58064649
+Hmm, you're going to have to pitch some ideas before you can join the crew.
+--- 58064867
+>>58052941 (OP)
+>claymore
+the current state of /k/
+--- 58064968
+>>58052941 (OP)
+>https://files.catbox.moe/b7gu3o.mp4
+I LOVE russians dying so much bros
+--- 58065080
+>>58052941 (OP)
+>the future of warfare is just a bunch of faggots playing with drones
+
+I want off the ride, bros.
+--- 58065091
+>>58053236
+--- 58065201
+>>58065080
+>Flying a FPV drone strapped with an IED and sending 12001 metal ball bearings into someone's back isn't fun
+you sound like a fag
+--- 58065343
+>>58052941 (OP)
+This is exactly why you should stay as far away from a modern warzone as possible, I will remain never served until I die.
+--- 58065354
+>>58065343
+Imagine dying without ever experiencing a war. You're gonna rot anyway m8. Why dodge the fun parts of life?
+--- 58065393
+>>58052980
+Incoherent post.
+--- 58065400
+>>58053640
+>not Dominion Tank Police
+--- 58065419
+>>58056737
+It's a Gay Bomb Baby!
+--- 58065449
+>>58057640
+They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle.
+--- 58065460
+>>58052941 (OP)
+AAAAAAA OH MY PUTIN
+--- 58065481
+>>58065354
+>Getting blown up by weeaboos for their Telegram edits is so much fun!!!
+--- 58065498
+>>58056596
+--- 58065557
+>>58053236
+VR goggles will be standard equipment for the future soldiers right? It'll let you pipe in NV and thermal feeds from your helmet, have PIP feeds of the battlefield from scout drones overhead and hunter-killer bomb drones as well as squadmates helmet cameras. It'll do AR highlights and overlays, enemies and incoming artillery will auto-flag and pop up warnings and you'll be able to see friendly assets through walls for better coordination. Might as well also have remote controls for your squad vehicle and nearby tanks too, why not? 
+
+Everyone is going to need some kind of digital visor or screen for all their weapons systems to integrate with, VR goggles look cool and fit the bill. Just need to do some periscope trickery with mirrors to route normal vision around the screens when needed.
+--- 58065594
+>>58060952
+That's clearly Shadowrun, different take on the genre.
+--- 58065620
+>>58065557
+Welcome to IVAS, something the US has been working on for a long ass time because the MIC saw the way the winds were blowing, since in addition to all the things you mentioned, cameras are a lot more replaceable then eyeballs which is important in any sort of laser rich environment, so you don't want to have direct light coming in from the outside if you can help it so no mirrors.
+--- 58065656
+>>58053236
+>bottom right
+DOES ANYONE SEE WHAT I SEE?
+--- 58065721
+>>58065656
+Like everyone, dude. That's obvious reference. They are slavs after all, the biggest weebs of Europe.
+--- 58065730
+>>58053236
+Reminded me of this
+--- 58065745
+>>58065721
+>the biggest weebs of Europe
+Askshually that's the French
+--- 58065750
+>>58065721
+That's still the frogs.
+--- 58065958
+>>58058817
+this was also a thing in call of duty mw2019
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwHWh2s2V_g [Embed]
+--- 58065987
+>>58052941 (OP)
+How sad that these jew lead scum can’t do better than goat fucking Iraqis. I actually respect Iraqis, but ukies deserve what they are getting due to their kiked leader.
+--- 58066078
+>>58052959
+>https://files.catbox.moe/b7gu3o.mp4
+banger
+--- 58066343
+>>58065594
+>Orks
+>Elves
+>devil worshippers
+>esoteric shamans
+>cybermonks
+>trolls
+>actual deckers
+>dwarves
+>Cyberwear
+
+Anon i...oh man we're in deep shit...
+--- 58066530
+>>58060142
+/k/ loves guns, and russians made cheap guns. do not confuse that with /k/ loving, liking, or even tolerating russia. i genuinely don’t think /k/ likes any nation state, it barely tolerates america’s existence and that’s only because muh 2nd amendment
+--- 58066555
+>>58053315
+>8.5% alcoholic energy drink 
+And they say the USA has freedom
+--- 58066989
+>>58066555
+Nice digits, but the US does have Four Loko's
+--- 58067050
+>>58066343
+>we're in deep shit
+Not yet. Not until Wagner does something as stupid as unleashing insect spirits into Bakhmut.
+--- 58067057
+>>58066555
+I grab some 9.5% stove pipe soured trippel's made by Victory from QT lately. Tastes like candy, 20oz, great when I get off work. Malt liquor and high abv beer is nothing new and vodka plus mixer is always cheaper but I'm enjoying the return of boozy beer because I fucking hate seltzers.
+--- 58068198
+>>58058644
+I would speculate the deadnik no longer has an opinion, just a colon slowly returning its semen to the earth.
+--- 58068226
+>>58053626
+Why, did you get grenaded? This war combines the death of shills with the death of those responsible for anti-fun leftardism in a so very kino way that lends itself to vidya. 
+
+I see no problem here.
+--- 58068342
+>>58059002
+Well if it fit in tube arty an SPG could deploy its own spotter drone very quickly
+--- 58068413
+>>58060142
+>/k/ supported and loved russia
+You mean homos who bought cheap russian gas masks and mosins who larped as some communist bolshevik online, aka /k/ringelords?
+
+I've always considered russians subhuman steppe niggers enslaved by commie kikes.
+--- 58068470
+>>58052941 (OP)
+>Cyberpunk is real
+>Early access open world survival crafting is real too
+we really are in the videogame timeline
+--- 58069452
+>>58058647
+/k/ thirteen years ago was always going on about "can't beat them drones man"
+if we only knew
+--- 58069513
+>>58058086
+It's a unit called "PVP" I'm gonna need more because I like their logo
+--- 58069536
+>>58069452
+If you can't beat 'em, join them.
+--- 58070037
+If I led a national army right now, id be focusing a ton of development into FPV IED drones, this is the new infantry meta if you can afford/produce it effectively
+
+That being said, electronic jamming teams/radars would be crucial for defense. 
+
+And what if it was all managed by a central A.I system? Release a dozen or more from an airplane and have them auto-target. Wasn't there a Webm of such a system being proposed in a convention a few years back?

k/58053132.txt

@@ -215,3 +215,248 @@ UN imposed arms embargo for Ukraine?
 --- 58058790
 >>58053772
 NZ here, we aren't relevant
+--- 58058914
+>>58053132 (OP)
+Iran isn't going to pass up an opportunity to either get US dollars to strengthen it's banks, or get money to put back into building it's military industrial base. Russia is backed into a corner right now and needs all the allies it can get, it can't afford to fuck up relations with Iran and so Iran can profit of both sides.
+--- 58058927
+>>58053151
+Do they give any fucks about either side? Could just be profiting by selling to both.
+--- 58058934
+Why are the Iranians manufacturing shells with English logos on them? I am of confuse.
+--- 58058960
+>>58053324
+>They only ever get small arms/infantry weapons in those, the Houthis don't have any sort of artillery.
+
+These shells could be captured or bought from Iran backed factions in the syrian civil war.
+--- 58058979
+>>58058914
+>Iran isn't going to pass up an opportunity to either get US dollars to strengthen it's banks,
+
+Iran doesnt use the US dollar.
+--- 58058983
+>>58053175
+>it fell off a truck
+
+My truck to be precise
+
+Can I have it back please?
+--- 58058986
+>>58058979
+Officially. Every tinpot dictator has a black budget filled with US dollars. Even north korea has it along with making bank with their counterfeit business.
+--- 58059213
+>>58056125
+>Thailand abstained
+These bloody basterds. We made them Oplot-T's, and this is how they repay
+--- 58059273
+>>58053757
+I love the way you try and lump south and latin america, africa and all of the caucus, middle east and africa in with the worthless tyranny that is Russia, which is widely hated globally for its promotion of marxism atheists dictators and terrorists. Russians (and Chinese) can tell themselves they are loved in placed they took a marxist shit on but it is not so
+--- 58059280
+>>58057357
+Kek, money can buy many peanuts
+--- 58059305
+>>58053132 (OP)
+>How?
+How bad is the corruption in Russia's military?
+An officer in the Russian Armed Forces was recently arrested for allegedly stealing engines from Moscow’s T-90 main battle tanks and selling them for profit on the black market. Colonel Alexander Denisov
+Colonel Alexander Denisov has been accused of stealing seven V-92S2 engines meant for Russia’s T-90 tank stocks according to the Russian newspaper, The Kommersant. Active throughout the war
+The Telegraph’s James Kilner picked up the story and translated the details into English, noting that Colonel Denisov was selling the engines between November 2021 and April 2022. The cost of a V-92S2 engine
+Each engine is worth around $200,000 dollars according to Kilner, which would mean Colonel Denisov could have made upwards of $1.4 million if he sold all seven he allegedly stole. In charge of "technical tank support"
+Kilner noted that the colonel was the commander in charge of “technical tank support” in Russia’s Southern Military District, which explains how Denisov got access to the engines.Arrested in March
+Denisov was arrested in March at Rostov and was later charged with “stealing parts intended to be installed on tanks” according to a translation from The Telegraph. This latest news of systemic corruption in the Russian military comes after more than a year of reports showing how bad things have been in Russia’s stockyards and warehouses.
+--- 58059317
+>>58053132 (OP)
+You guys forget the iran-iraq war
+Theres a lot of money to be made by selling weapons
+Even serbs sell to ukranians
+--- 58059330
+>>58058979
+>Iran doesnt use the US dollar.
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair
+
+By the way I wish (you) pressTV/Iranian/Assad halfwits would get off the board. You may get called vatniggers but your brown vatnigger cock sucking gets so loud sometimes...
+--- 58059333
+>>58059317
+>You guys forget the iran-iraq war
+Dated 2023? Don't think so.
+--- 58059485
+>entire tank engines
+That's some big boxes to ship anywhere, and highly specialized contraband as well 
+Can't help but respect that kek
+--- 58059637
+>>58053132 (OP)
+Ukrainians gave them pristine X-55 missiles back in 2001, THE FUCKING X-55! Let that sink in.
+--- 58059669
+>>58053132 (OP)
+Probably sold by corrupt puccian officers, it wouldn't be the first time.
+--- 58059683
+>>58058979
+Iran is an official sponsor of terrorism globally, what the fuck would they use to fund that besides dollars?
+--- 58059716
+>>58053715
+No one on Russia's side is on Russia's side. All of those shithole countries are only in it for themselves, and whatever "alliances" they form are purely out of self-interest, which in this case means weakening the west, who they all see as their primary enemy.
+I mean, these countries have no common ground, whether it's race, ideology or religion. It's purely based on anti-western sentiments, and if the west was ever removed from the picture, they would immediately start infighting. Or rather, China would just make the other shithole countries its bitches.
+--- 58059939
+>>58059669
+Norm MacDonald vibes
+--- 58059958
+>>58058983
+'Fraid not
+--- 58060004
+>>58059273
+Tell me you're a shitskin without telling me you're a shitskin
+--- 58060032
+>>58059669
+--- 58060051
+>>58053132 (OP)
+Ukies need to be careful with those the glowing risks giving away their position if they use them at night
+--- 58060088
+>>58053757
+That map is missing Taiwan
+--- 58060129
+>>58059716
+>these countries have no common ground
+They do have one thing in common, around which the Chinese in particular are trying to rally them
+They all staunchly oppose democracy
+--- 58060962
+>>58059333
+What i meant when there is a large scale war countries sell to whoever 
+Its free money after all
+--- 58061103
+>>58053151
+Maybe the west captured more iranian stuff, or that's from a russian cache that they took.
+--- 58061753
+>>58053707
+Howitzers don't use fixed cartridges you absolute cum guzzling reddit tourist. You can see and test the powderbag.
+--- 58061771
+>>58053771
+t. Flint
+p.s. East Palestine
+--- 58062180
+>>58059280
+Explain how.
+--- 58062209
+>>58053771
+Yummy flouride yummy yummy
+--- 58062299
+>>58062209
+remember to wash your hands with cholera water, street shitter lmao
+--- 58062308
+>>58053313
+Not if you're certain the Russians won't do anything about it. Unalignment politics is fun
+--- 58062346
+>>58053132 (OP)
+I wouldn't worry about it
+--- 58062347
+>>58053132 (OP)
+never doubt an ex-Soviet's ability to smuggle arms and ammunition
+--- 58062371
+>>58054923
+BRICS is basically a western abstraction that only holds together because west keeps treating them the same. If American vanished tomorrow China, Russia, and India would probably go to war within five years while Brazil plagiarized the Monroe Doctrine
+--- 58062383
+>>58061771
+>Two cities having bad wayer is equivalent TO AN ENTIRE FUCKING COUNTRY NOT HAVING IT
+I'm fucking dying here. Is this truly the extent of thirdie comprehension?
+--- 58063219
+>>58053255
+I genuinely enjoy how much the shartmericans overrate the gayranians and Best Korea.
+Tehran has 0 influence over Moscow
+--- 58063307
+>>58053757
+what is this pic based on? 141 countries voted in favor of the UN resolution to demand russia fully withdraws from ukraine with 35 abstaining and 5 against
+>but le UN is usele-
+completely irrelevant
+--- 58063328
+>>58061771
+>>58062383
+the water in East Palestine is genuinely fine, and likely to be exceptionally well monitored for the foreseeable future because of the derailment - there just wasn't enough material released to matter to anything but fish, who will die in the thousands if you look at them funny and aren't swimming in the water you drink unless you really want dysentery
+--- 58063336
+>>58053757
+Yeah. The only places that matter. Post inventions from the rest. Post civilizations from the rest
+--- 58063667
+>>58053757
+Whoah, whoah, whoah there... I don't see South Korea on that map. Or NATO members like Croatia and Montenegro. WTF, Anon?
+--- 58063688
+>>58063328
+Lol, they wanted people there to sign agreements they wont sue if they get diseases related to toxin exposure
+--- 58065229
+>>58059305
+This is the difference in corruption in shitholes like Russia and China vs the west. The western MIC might overcharge you, might ask for way more funding than they need, but at the end of the day you get a working vehicle made to the specs desired
+--- 58065245
+>>58059939
+What? Norm was hilarious. These are not. Well they can be, but not in the way they intend to be funny
+--- 58065266
+>>58053757
+now do one with a GDP map
+--- 58065364
+>>58063328
+What did the EPA say about the effect of pollutants in the air in NYC after 9/11?
+--- 58065394
+>>58053757
+>the part of the world that controls 90% of its wealth and military strength
+Yeah gee I wonder why they're considered the people with a voice.
+--- 58065425
+>>58058579
+Stop making bad financial decisions?
+--- 58065434
+>>58065229
+Well, except for the Starfighter scandal back in the day, but Lockheed barely survived the fallout from that, it's not like they got away with it.
+--- 58065442
+>>58054923
+BRICS is basically just an economic thing to try and create vassal states to China after they built all that shit in Africa and then a bunch of the African leaders turn around and said "how about no, what're you gonna do about it?" when China asked for those ports and factories they were promised.
+--- 58065452
+>>58053175
+A fortunate trucking accident you say?
+--- 58065468
+>>58061771
+You know what the difference between Flint and the third world was? When Flint had its crisis, the government spent $400m replacing 28,000 pipes to fix it, and by 2021 it was indeed fixed. People say "why did it take so long" not understanding they were trying to do it right so they wouldn't have to do it a second time. The third world by comparison, tapers over the problem and it isn't contained to one area.
+--- 58065490
+>>58053707
+>gunpowder is actually gunpowder
+
+Idiot thinks serious artillery uses "gunpowder" rather than bespoke propellants in 2023.
+--- 58065712
+>>58054005
+The Council of Europe does not have anything to do with the EU (in fact it's even older than the EU as it was founded in 1949), it's completely independent of it (although it decided to use the EU flag as well). It's like a Mini-UN inside of Europe that previously all European states except Belarus were part of.
+However Russia left after invading Ukraine last year.
+
+One condition for membership is to get rid of (or at least freeze) the death penalty. Which is why Belarus was never a member and likely part of why Russia left. Of course because of that the Council of Europe has been pretty much unanimously been against Russia in this conflict. So voting for more cooperation between the UN and the CoE is by extend a condemnation of Russia.
+
+Part of the reason the EU is even a thing was because members of the CoE said "I will make my own Council, with blackjack and hookers" as they wanted more cooperation between their countries that the Council of Europe didn't provide as that one is pretty much JUST a forum.
+
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Europe
+--- 58065806
+>>58053151
+Iran's on the side of making money.
+--- 58065931
+>>58065434
+Ok yeah good point. But if then it was bribing the government to contract with Lockheed to buy their planes. The F104 was mostly fine wasn’t it? It had issues but that’s also partly from planes evolving and teething issues. It wasn’t like they didn’t fulfill the terms of the contracts and didn’t provide working planes. 
+
+Don’t get me wrong, it’s fucked up and causes lots of issues. Look at big pharma and opioids and SSRIs for the damage that behavior can cause. But it’s a far cry from straight up stealing equipment and selling it and reporting everything is fine
+--- 58065943
+>>58065468
+Another view point. Flint was run by niggers and ran into the ground by niggers. It cost so much and took so long because niggers were doing the administrative work too. So even in the cherry picked bad example it’s due to third worlders running their own area in a white country.
+--- 58066676
+>>58053789
+And to think Brazil not much ago was trying escape its own hellhole... sad anon... sad
+--- 58066686
+>>58054751
+>small heada russnik
+kek
+--- 58066687
+>>58066676
+aaaand i do a 666 ¬¬ God have mercy
+--- 58066957
+>>58053742
+Ukrainian ZTZ-99's when?
+--- 58070739
+>>58054751
+Not gonna lie, that Indian wojak looks kinda cute.
+--- 58070768
+No one has yet explained why Iranians are putting English markings on their fucking shells.
+--- 58070783
+>>58066686
+culture of kill
+they animals
+--- 58070876
+>>58070768
+Export. More people speak English than speak Farsi

k/58053177.txt

@@ -288,3 +288,82 @@ I've already had a dozen replies telling me I'm wrong, I get it.
 --- 58058865
 >>58058833
 Blackpilled, but you're making me feel better about living in NA, anyway. I can drive outside my city for 40 min in any direction and have swathes of public land to shoot on.
+--- 58058924
+>>58053984
+>>58054677
+>>58057988
+>>58058178
+>Lebel M1886
+>Vetterli
+>Mauser M71/84
+All of these have one thing in common: that tube magazine mated to an existing bolt action was designed by Kropatschek.
+As is clearly visible in most of them, they use a cartridge elevator very similar to most leverguns, so not much of a design challenge.
+--- 58058925
+>>58058865
+>blackpilled
+You have to be to as a shooter here, everything is designed to be as annoying as possible to put people off who aren't serious about actually shooting.
+I just lucky that I get paid to do a lot of shooting in the reserves, all more interesting and fun than civilian shooting as well.
+--- 58058953
+>>58058925
+Respect for sticking with it, I don't think I could deal with the shit you guys have to.
+--- 58059041
+>>58057501
+Because they were the product of older needs and requirements. You really think farmers are going to have state of the art pump actions? No, they're going to have bolt-action, single shot or double barrel shotguns. Bolt action shotguns are reliable, easy to use and very easy to work on, basically what a farmer would need. Now days they're still good and cheap for pigs, birds or just targets.
+--- 58059198
+>>58059041
+>You really think farmers are going to have state of the art pump actions?
+State of the art? No, but they're going to have Ithica 37s, Remington 870s and old Winchester pumps. I feel like you're posting from some mirror universe where pumps are gucci and bolt shotguns are common
+--- 58059222
+>>58059198
+I don't know if I hinted it in my post, but I'm talking farmers from the 1900s-1960s. Even if a farmer still had a bolt action shotgun, it is still pretty good for most farm activities (putting down animals, pest control etc)
+--- 58059402
+>>58058696
+I assume they're not super common but I've only really seem them in the UK. 
+
+Apparently theres a gunshop somehwere that will do integral suppressors for single and double barrel shotguns, pic related
+--- 58059717
+>>58058858
+You are wrong. Like fuck, how wrong can one be? HEY EVERYONE, THIS ANON IS WRONG! 
+
+I just can't even how wrong you are.
+--- 58060270
+>>58057879
+Browning makes some bolt action shotguns, but they are kind of pricey.
+I think most contemporary bolt action shotgun designs are meant for deer hunting in places where rifle hunting is heavily restricted.
+--- 58060311
+>>58057501
+Go to a rural gun store that has consignment and you'll see like 1-2 dozen of these things that were just sitting in barns for decades. They are very popular for non gun people that need a gun.
+--- 58064017
+Didn't see the real reason above, maybe someone said it and I just missed it. But the only advantage with a bolt action shotgun is that it can be fired comfortably from the prone. A pump, break action, or lever requires the shooter to readjust their shotting position and disrupt more foliage working the action. Whereas the bolt can be fired in quick succession from the prone without greatly changing the position of the hunter. This is only a relevant factor to people who are unable to purchase autoloading shotguns, which would have all of the same advantages of the bolt action. But with a greater fire rate advantage over even the pump and the lever.
+--- 58065374
+I have a .410 bolt action. Odd gun for sure but it's fun.
+--- 58065390
+>>58058858
+no one knows who you are nigga, just stfu and walk away
+--- 58065541
+>>58053177 (OP)
+Maybe it's a competition thing? Never seen one in my life and i've been browsing this board for 3+ years.
+--- 58065596
+>>58065541
+>Maybe it's a competition thing?
+Lolno. Doubles rule competition. Bolt-action shottys aren't much of a thing these days, but they were the poor man's shotgun back in the day. If you couldn't afford a pump you bought a bolt-action. These days pumps have gotten cheap enough that bolt actions have fallen out of favor.
+--- 58065947
+>>58065596
+oh so it was a boomer poorman thing. the whole concept seems really stupid anyway I wouldn't pay $200 for one
+--- 58066099
+>>58065947
+That's more than the cheapest pump at current prices, so it's not comparable. If bolt shotguns were $80 new nowadays, they would still get some cheapskates.
+--- 58066884
+wait till op finds out about pump action rifles
+--- 58068847
+>>58053964
+>pulling the bolt back would have to pull a cartridge all the way back
+isnt that what the spring in the tube is for?
+--- 58068865
+>>58057501
+I have a blot 20g that my grandpa bought out of the Sears catalog.
+--- 58069242
+>>58058924
+The Vetterli is NOT a kropatschek-style magazine. You'll find the Vetterli is the ONLY production bolt-action rifle with a Winchester-style, King's patent loading port - thus the only one you can "top-up" without opening the action. It's also the only one with a Volcanic/Henry/Winchester-style vertical cartridge elevator.
+
+The Kropatscheck-style guns - the Lebel, the 71/84, the Murata 22, etc all have a pivoting cartridge lifter rather than a vertical elevator, and all of them require the action to be opened to load the rifle through the top.

k/58054660.txt

@@ -61,3 +61,33 @@ The US only got Chauchats after they arrived in France, well after the Lewis gun
 --- 58057201
 >>58055629
 The BAR.
+--- 58060171
+>>58054937
+>name 1 succesful black weapon designer of atleast a semi modern, functional, mass produced firearm.
+
+That guy who invented super soakers. Bet you feel like a stupid retard now, don't you?
+--- 58064298
+>>58054660 (OP)
+yeah
+--- 58064332
+>>58054660 (OP)
+> Why A.E.F. was armed
+Why do you type in an indian accent
+--- 58064346
+Forgotten Weapons said the Chauchat was actually a pretty good gun but it's main flaws were bad ammo in the hands of Americans and the stupid magazine which easily allowed dirt into the weapon. I don't know any better myself, is the above true?
+--- 58064365
+The French tried folding Americans into French units as a stopgap iirc but it stopped after the US had enough forces in Europe to do their own offensives.
+--- 58064367
+>>58054660 (OP)
+It sucked, constantly had issues compared to all the other LMGs we had in service at the time. Read Hatchers Notebook you illiterate retard
+--- 58064420
+>>58064407
+I fucking hate Indians
+--- 58065455
+>>58064346
+
+The flaw of the American Chauchat was that the Americans wanted a version using American ammo. This meant the French having to redesign the weapon, put up a new factory with new factory workers in the middle of the war. The new factory struggled bad and eventually manufactured subpar weapons to the Americans which were neither optimally designed nor optimally manufacturing. This lead to an abysmal percentage of failure in the field. But at this point the gun, with its original design, had already been very successful in France and iirc 14 other countries it had been exported to.
+--- 58066889
+>>58054660 (OP)
+The Chauchat was the WWI equivalent of the STEN, cheap shit to arm the newly arrived enlisted. The Lewis was a proper machine gun, despite both of them doing the same thing in those days it meant that the Lewis was a specialty weapon.
+Also closed-door political bullshittery, as mentioned by previous anons.

k/58055273.txt

@@ -12,3 +12,191 @@ the war in Europe started from Hitler and Stalin agreeing to commit murder and l
 --- 58055316
 >>58055273 (OP)
 Save the world
+--- 58058918
+>>58055273 (OP)
+Methamphetamines
+--- 58058966
+>>58055294
+this but unironically
+--- 58058989
+>>58055273 (OP)
+It was the result of weaponized seething
+>Hitler seething because Germany lost lots of stuff after WW1
+>Stalin seething because he kept losing/ending up with pyrrhic victories against much smaller nations
+>Tojo and the rest seething because their murderfuck spree made nobody want to sell them stuff anymore
+>Mussolini seething because "you will never be an actual Roman Empire"
+Seriously, the entire war kicks off because none of the above could work on their own shortcomings in a way that didn't involve chimping out. War was literally the one tool in their toolbox, and they absolutely refused to consider playing tall instead of wide.
+--- 58059016
+>>58055273 (OP)
+Germany lost to tanks and got salty and jealous.
+Of course their immediate next step would be to make the most tank based society in history up until that point and kill as many people as possible with them.
+It's human nature.
+--- 58059036
+Kill as many native Europeans as possible to justify mass migration and reduction of national pride.
+--- 58059045
+>>58058989
+How many of them were under 6' ?
+I wonder if this should be introduced as an entry bar for leaders.
+--- 58059059
+>>58059036
+And who's agenda was this?
+--- 58059070
+>>58059059
+White Christians Males of course :)
+--- 58059269
+>>58058989
+Thank you for correcting our record
+--- 58059282
+>>58055273 (OP)
+There were endless chances to turn it into a localized conflict at best, but no one wanted to lift a finger until battle lines were drawn and no one was gonna back down until the other side was in ruins
+--- 58059370
+>>58059282
+Holy based. It's like they kept going just to see what happens. WWII is how war gods arise. It brought a theatre spanning all the way to Japan, the dissolution of empires, and ended with the only tactical detonation of a nuke in history. It quite likely brought the Moon landing too. So many people defined by one point in history.
+--- 58059466
+last ditch german effort to stop the kikes
+--- 58059491
+>>58055273 (OP)
+>It'll be a quick war, the boys will be home by Christmas
+t. German and Allied High Commands prior to the start of the war
+--- 58059621
+>>58055273 (OP)
+Jews shitting up every corner of Weimar Germany like moder US. Read some history FFS. November Revolution, Morgentau, Schiff, etc.
+--- 58059742
+>>58055273 (OP)
+>France: "Oh fuck, they're coming again, what, they're already here? Oh, Nazi-kun, govern me harder and let me help you as much as I can"
+>Britain: "Look, we tried to keep you calm but now you've gone and done it"
+>America: "FUCK YOU JAPAN! I'LL FUCK YOU UP AND ALL YOUR FRIENDS TOO!"
+>USSR: "Hahaha, the dumb Germans accepted the treaty, now we just have to get ready to crush them and spread the GLORIOUS WORKERS STATE as far West as possible"
+>Italy: "We wuz Romanz and sheeit"
+>Germany: "We wuz good Aryanz, jus bout getten our live back on track, din du naffin, them Frenchies just tryna keep a brother down"
+Or do you think you could find a way to phrase your question a little better OP?
+--- 58059755
+>>58055273 (OP)
+Sauce? Real photo?
+--- 58060364
+Fuck the French.
+--- 58064444
+>>58055273 (OP)
+Bump
+--- 58064654
+>>58055273 (OP)
+Some dude in Germany needed land to feed his people and didnt have legal standing to take it, right? So he just decides to take little pieces of surrounding countries to test the waters and then next thing you know BAM! Japs are getting barbecue'd by the hundreds of thousands in a literal hot second.
+--- 58064667
+>>58059070
+ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT THE ENTIRE NAZI MOVEMENT IS JUST A DOG WHISTLE TO GET DISENFRANCHISED WHITE PEOPLE TO COMMIT TO THINGS THEY NORMALLY WOULDNT BY PREYING ON THEIR FEARS!?
+
+OH MY GOD IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE.
+
+ALL THAT SHIT ABOUT WHITE REPLACEMENT IS JUST FEARMONGERING RHETORIC DESIGNED TO INCITE EMOTIONAL TURMOIL
+
+WHY DID NOBODY TELL ME I WAS BEING MANIPULATED BY PEOPLE WHO COULD GIVE A FUCK ABOUT HOW WHITE I FEEL!?
+--- 58064669
+>>58064654
+Barbecue? I thought we were building a rice cooker?
+--- 58064690
+>>58055273 (OP)
+As far as I can tell a bunch of meth enjoyers from WW1 got together and made a political party focused on German nationalism and militarisation
+
+And the results were priceless
+--- 58065149
+>>58055273 (OP)
+Hitler wanted to remove Stalin whom he has seen as a threat too his plan of world domination
+ - after failing to secure Polish help in doing so he had to remove this problem first
+ - and as Poland was in some troublesome alliances with French and British it took some planning and temporary alliance with Stalin: 
+half of Poland and vast quantities of natural resources were gained and nothing left standing between third reich and Soviet Russia.
+after rolling over French and stalemating with British time has come for main dish: Russia....
+--- 58065190
+>>58065149
+>instead of trying to ally with britain and america which were heavily anti-communist
+>I KNOW, LETS ATTACK THEIR ALLY
+outstanding move gotta say
+--- 58065212
+>>58055273 (OP)
+poles attacked germany starting the war
+polacks don't think so there was no thought
+--- 58065271
+>>58058989
+You forgot the most important one
+>Anglos seething because Germany was defying their policy of “no one dominant land power in continental Europe”
+--- 58065367
+>>58065271
+Now there's two
+--- 58065673
+Really ww2 was about the increasingly totalitarian buffer states that the west had allowed to form so as to keep them from having to directly engage with the communist east suddenly chimped harder than expected and in directions they had not expected. The western democracies were not in a good state to deal with a hot war with the soviets given the amount of communists in the west and the state of western european militaries, so letting the germans/ex central powers rile themselves up into an anti-communist fever while developing forms of government that the west could disassociate itself from seemed perfect on paper.
+--- 58066019
+>>58055273 (OP)
+>Strategically what was the line of thought behind WWII?
+"Zhat Neville fellow is a total pussy, ze French zhink a forest is un imepentrable vall, und Stalin is so paranoid he purged half his army! Zhis vill be a cakewalk!"
+--- 58066035
+>>58065190
+He tried to ally with Britain. Britain would not ally with him because it was not in Britain's interest for Germany to rule all of Eastern Europe.
+--- 58066280
+>>58055273 (OP)
+germany needs banan room
+--- 58066384
+>>58066280
+The curse of the monke
+--- 58067049
+>>58055273 (OP)
+>Reclaim german land "lost" in WWI
+>1v1 Stalin
+>Oh, shit. The brits & french decided to join.
+>Oh, shit. The brits & french decided to suck america's dick for help.
+>Oh shit. Japan is fucking retarded.
+The rest is history.
+--- 58067101
+>>58065673
+>given the amount of communists in the west 
+Communists in western countries never represented a risk to their home country. That was just propaganda by fascists.
+--- 58067105
+>>58055273 (OP)
+In the memorandum "Objectives of Polish Foreign Policy", the Oder-Neisse line was already designated in 1931 as the western border to be striven for by polish chauvinists.
+
+C. J. Burckhardt, League of Nations Commissioner for Danzig, noted "certain signs of Polish imperialism ..."
+
+Count Sforza, the Italian Foreign Minister, said that according to the Poles' "eternal claims and boundless growing demands, half of Europe would have been formerly Polish and must become Polish again" 
+
+>"The Poles have lost the last sense of measure and grandeur. Every foreigner who looks at the new maps in Poland, on which a large part of Germany up to the vicinity of Berlin, further Bohemia, Moravia, Slovakia, and a vast part of Russia have already been annexed in the exceedingly rich imagination of the Poles, must think that Poland has become a gigantic lunatic asylum."
+- Ward Hermans, shortly before war broke out
+
+>"We are ready for any war, even with the strongest opponent ..." - Polska Zbrojna, March 25, 1939
+
+>"We are perfectly aware of the bluff of Germany and Italy. Like the younger gentlemen of our staff, I am also personally of the opinion that we should start the war, and start it right away." 
+
+- Lieutenant-Colonel Chamberlain, member of the British military mission in Portugal, to the Polish military attaché in Lisbon
+--- 58067121
+>>58067105
+>"Poland wants war with Germany, and Germany will not be able to avoid it even if she wanted to." 
+- General Rydz-Smigly, Inspector General of the Polish Army in a public lecture to Polish officers, summer 1939
+
+>"It will be the Polish Army that will invade Germany on the first day of the war." 
+- Statement by the Polish Ambassador in Paris, August 15, 1939
+
+The Polish Marshal Rydz-Smuglz had an oil painting made of him on horseback in full gala uniform under the Brandenburg Gate even before September 1939.
+
+In May 1939 - after the United Kingdom's guarantee to Poland - Polish-French general staff meetings were also held in Paris. The Polish Minister of War, General Kasprzycki, and his Chief of Staff were in Paris to confer with General Gamelin-at a breakfast, in the presence of the then French Foreign Minister Georges Bonnet, the Polish Minister of War was asked about the state of the fortifications on the German-Polish border. Kasprzycki replied:
+
+>"We have no [fortifications], because we intend to wage a war of movement and invade Germany at the very beginning of operations."
+--- 58067132
+>>58055273 (OP)
+The eternal Kraut has a primal drive to kill fellow Europeans.
+--- 58068133
+>>58055273 (OP)
+>Strategically what was the line of thought behind WWII?
+Stalin and Hitler invading Poland and starting WW1 as Allies. Basically Putin and his retarded 'sphere of influence' bullshit again but with added Hitler
+--- 58068153
+>>58059036
+>Kill as many native Europeans as possible to justify mass migration and reduction of national pride.
+>>58059070
+>White Christians Males of course :)
+You are none of the above though.
+--- 58069092
+>>58065212
+>Sources cited: www.aryanwolf1488.blogspot.net
+--- 58069873
+>>58069092
+dude hes literally citating nazi germanys official stance
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QevMycFrWRM [Embed]
+--- 58070087
+>>58069873
+There's alot of good information in pic related. It lays out just how scared Poland was of Germany. In a time when Germany was still being held back by diplomatic/democratic forces... not even mentioning the NSDAP. Definitely worth a read. Though it was published in 1971 when Poland was ruled by Communists. Communists who hated the Second Republic and the government of that time.

k/58055307.txt

@@ -34,3 +34,38 @@ so does your mom, that's why I keep her around
 Lol. Got something against that part of town?
 --- 58058611
 My shtf outfit
+--- 58061394
+>>58058611
+pirate pilled
+--- 58062582
+>>58058487
+I mean, it's Denver. Were it not for the old buildings, that city would have no value.
+--- 58065487
+>>58056510
+Always love seeing this one.
+--- 58066881
+>>58065487
+I'm glad
+--- 58067376
+>>58058174
+kek, makita wins!
+--- 58068009
+>>58055328
+>The hand buzzer
+
+Kek, nice touch
+--- 58068478
+>>58055307 (OP)
+>no coca cola gummies
+2/10, into the trash
+--- 58068510
+>>58055307 (OP)
+--- 58068707
+Mean weapon age of 260 years makes load out Seattle compliant
+--- 58070597
+>>58067889
+i thought that was the fortnite season background for a minute
+--- 58070708
+>>58055307 (OP)
+>insulin
+kek, nice touch

k/58055377.txt

@@ -82,3 +82,76 @@ i brass plate my steel casings
 --- 58058782
 >>58058606
 I love spreading this rumor at the range because I end up hearing about it later from one of my coworkers who visits the range at a different time. He's always pissing and moaning about the place but never goes anywhere else.
+--- 58060748
+>>58058676
+https://youtu.be/nldOtoEpM5o?t=24 [Embed]
+--- 58060890
+>Are steel casings alright?
+Yep no steel core though
+>I wanna keep my brass!
+Alright we don't care
+>Can I get brass from the ones down range
+Use the broom to pull it back to yourself and push the ones you don't want back down range
+
+Many such conversations nothing is better than stun locking a boomer when he's getting argumentative about his brass and we say we don't care if he picks it up we honeslty prefer you do
+--- 58061439
+>>58056143
+wrong, I am
+--- 58061465
+doesn't matter as much now since steelcae is only like 5% cheaper than brass.
+--- 58064447
+>>58058709
+"You sayin there's loose gunpowder around here? What kind of shit show are you running with a fire hazard like that?"
+--- 58064462
+>>58056029
+thats why you degauss them you dipshit
+--- 58066551
+>>58058608
+
+This, outdoor and indoor range both had employees tell me this was the main reason. Indoor also doesn't allow ap or greentip because it chews up their backstops more even if they do come in brass.
+--- 58066577
+>>58055979
+This, trashy plebs who think saving a penny per round is worth the absolute dogshit they buy have no place among civilized folk. The need to save actually filters the nogs and tards too like you said which is a plus
+--- 58066594
+>>58058608
+>fuckin' magnets
+>HOW DO THEY WORK
+faggot
+--- 58067612
+>>58055971
+Yeah that's why I don't shoot at the range in Pawnee, just off the side of the road instead. There's bullet pockmarks in the cinderblock shitter there.
+--- 58067693
+>>58058608
+then you're narrowing you're customer base because you don't want to spend $50 on a magnet from amazon.
+--- 58067704
+>>58067693
+*your
+sue me
+--- 58067706
+>no automatic weapons fire under the age of 18
+>don't bring non-members unless you are directly related to them
+>don't handle guns when people are down range
+>if you are doing something really stupid, that's okay! but make sure you're the only person at the range (lock the front gate)
+>clean up after yourself. throw away or take with you everything you brought, including brass (they don't care if you keep it but you have to pick it up)
+>don't intentionally shoot at rocks
+>don't shoot glass
+>don't shoot clay pigeons unless you're using a shotgun at the trap range (I don't really get this rule, but maybe they make a big mess if everyone does it)
+anyway it's pretty based
+--- 58067707
+>>58060748
+>arm color
+--- 58067719
+>>58055377 (OP)
+Once went to check out a range near me only for them to tell me they didn't allow any FMJ on site, had an aneurysm and went home
+--- 58067725
+>>58060748
+never even noticed the skin tone. of fucking course. wish the range officer there kicked his ass out immediately 
+captcha: TRAPSS
+--- 58067790
+>>58056015
+Why not just make a proper wall, loser faggot? Small arms can't penetrate that much no matter what you make the bullet out of.
+--- 58067832
+>>58067790
+Are you under the impression that I am in charge nationally of all firing ranges policies, you absolutely retarded faggot?
+I never said I agree with them, I just said that's why they do it. 
+Holy shit you are stupid.

k/58055563.txt

@@ -109,3 +109,233 @@ It's somewhat heavier. I haven't weight it yet as I don't have everything full i
 --- 58058262
 >>58055563 (OP)
 Neat gun but really an awful grip.
+--- 58059690
+>>58056163
+--- 58061848
+>>58058262
+It’s not too bad. On the VP9, the grip barely fits the pinky, but the Station Six is really long
+--- 58064682
+>>58055563 (OP)
+
+I have acquired endgame equipment.
+Strelok is DEAD once I finally catch up with him at Yantar.
+--- 58064704
+>>58064682
+euro i presume?
+--- 58064753
+>>58064704
+Yeah, I don't think they've imported any 243s to the US (yet). All of the G36 clones I've seen so far were TommyBuilt.
+I don't get it, they don't have any issues exporting the SP5, although in a slightly more cucked version than we get... for some reason.
+--- 58064826
+>>58064753
+Why sell us the G36 when they can sell us the MR556 which is cheaper to make and has a much larger potential market
+--- 58064852
+>>58055563 (OP)
+P2000 was my newest with a few others sitting at my gun store a couple hours away. Still waiting to pick up:
+>Mauser Model 66
+>H&K USP Elite .45
+>Browning Auto 5
+Also have a DPMS Kitty Kat upper I'm hoping to snag and some sort of bullpup like an AUG or FS2000 in the coming months. Pretty busy month but I really haven't bought guns in quite some time.
+--- 58064859
+>>58064826
+Because the MR556 sucks ass to the point where most people just build 416s from Brownells uppers and HK parts.
+--- 58064908
+>>58064852
+> DPMS Kitty Kat 
+Howdy hop
+--- 58064927
+>>58064826
+There is literally no point in selling the 416 to a market that is saturated with good quality ARs in all price ranges.
+Uncucked HK G36s would be snatched up by the same people who buy SP5s.
+>cheaper to make
+Not even remotely, don't forget they have been operating the line for making G36s for like four decades now, and that it's 90% polymer, including the whole trigger group.
+The HK243 (SAR) is almost $1k cheaper than the MR223 here.
+--- 58064976
+>>58064927
+There is a point because selling a 416 to a market that wants ARs (especially da M27 like what da muhreenz use) and wants things that are compatible with the AR accessories market makes way more sense than selling something which in the US has basically zero aftermarket support and is only desired by a small handful of niche enthusiasts
+--- 58065051
+>>58064976
+There is a LOT of money to be made off niche collectors with unfulfilled wants.
+The whole shitshow with MAC and the Hungarian Dragunovs happened for a reason, Anon.
+--- 58065537
+>>58055745
+Vets use a captive bolt pistol. Or the farmer's shotgun in a pinch. Not one animal doctor has bought a VP9, guarantee it.
+--- 58065552
+>>58064852
+
+H-hop?
+--- 58065906
+>>58055563 (OP)
+>most recent /k/ related purchase
+JELLY!
+--- 58066105
+>>58064852
+I picked up a P2000SK a few months ago and love it, I carry it every day. V3 with the decocker just like yours. How do you like your P2000?
+--- 58066299
+>>58064859
+
+Former MR556 owner, can confirm. High build quality but unbelievably cucked due to the shitty A1 features. Which were cool for 2004 but insanely outdated now. I mean, for fucks sake, the HK416 is currently at its A8 iteration with the A9 launch being finished up. Even the Canadians got A3 features.
+
+But yeah. It was heavy as fuck for what it was. Lacked so many features that most basic AR’s have. And lots of proprietary shit like the gay H-Key rail.
+
+I sold mine and was able to find a Bendy Boi 11.5” Super Duty Pistol + SBR stamp + Surefire RC2 + stamp. Significantly better bang for my buck, IMO.
+
+
+>>58055563 (OP)
+
+OP, that’s cool as shit. I’ve wanted one of these since the original “VP9” came out. Especially so, with this updated variant. I wish they sold a non-NFA version so I could just use whatever 9mm can I wanted on it. But B&T bas been asked to many times and they always refuse, lol. Weird.
+
+Do you have two pay for two tax stamps for the two cans or just one? Doesn’t this come with a wiped suppressor and a “training” suppressor with metal baffles?
+--- 58066331
+>>58066299
+
+Oh yeah, here’s my recent acquisition from two weeks ago.
+
+Just need to mount my Surefire Vampire on it via an IWC mount. I actually *just* bought a JK Armament 195 SGX 12 suppressor for it, today. I can’t wait, I’ll be using it for hog hunting. I was really impressed with the SGX when I heard it in person. Slugs are still loud but buck was tolerable. Bird shot was impressively quiet.
+--- 58066339
+>>58066331
+
+God dammit, lol
+--- 58066385
+>>58056192
+Retard.
+--- 58066457
+Bought a PD trade-in gen 3 Glock 23 for a little over $300. Night sights still good, came with 3 mags, bore was spotless as was the striker surprisingly, only sign of wear is holster wear on the slide and sights.
+Been wanting a .40 for awhile, face it /k/ .40 is superior to 9mm.
+--- 58066491
+>>58066457
+Get yourself a 357 SIG barrel and if you need more mags remember .40 uses the 357 follower just fine but not vice versa.
+--- 58066528
+>>58057131
+Wrong, that leaves shells 
+This is better bc no shells
+--- 58066545
+>>58066528
+is it not a bolt-action?
+--- 58066568
+>>58066491
+Definitely considering it, I handload so ammo isn't an issue. My only concern is it sounds like .357 SIG requires the same kind of care as a rifle cartridge, I don't feel like trimming even more cases. But we'll see, it is super tempting regardless since it's an impressive cartridge.
+Also thanks for the info on the mags, I had a feeling the followers would be different.
+--- 58066573
+>>58066545
+Won’t that spit out anyways
+--- 58066606
+>>58066573
+not if you grab the casing like you supposed to
+--- 58066817
+nothing big just a Bakelite m16 grip from nam and one Romanian grip for my waser i plan on refinishing and a Chinese jungle sling for it
+--- 58066834
+>>58065537
+
+its literally on the advertising material for the pistol. a euthanasia tool for vets.
+--- 58066852
+I bought a P365 to have it as my new pocket gun to replace my Smith and Wesson 638
+I like the J Frames but they are too much of a bitch to shoot meanwhile the P365 shoots amazingly for a gun of it's size
+--- 58066868
+Just acquired a HK USP 45 V1. Only dry-fired due to work and weather, hope to break her in properly this weekend.
+--- 58066894
+>>58066868
+You have an awesome gun in your hands
+I've had mine for almost 3 years and while it does have it's issues (big size, expensive as fuck mags, meh aftermarket) but it's an awesome handgun
+--- 58066901
+>>58065537
+In the UK, we have licenses for humane destruction handguns. Normally revolvers with only 2 chambers milled out. It’s not entirely unimaginable that some vets in europe wanted them, but it seems like a purposely fake cover story
+--- 58066914
+>>58055563 (OP)
+made a thread before seeing this one, oh well behold muh toy
+--- 58066969
+>>58066457
+I used to be you until I shot a G20. 
+
+I’m pretty sure this P226 is my most recent purchase, I tend to buy guns close together before cutting myself off for a while. I really like it, I use and carry it primarily unless I’m in the hood or wilderness, in which I carry my G20 which I’ve recently named Reginald Denny.
+--- 58067029
+>>58066969
+I've got an S&W M&P10mm, which has been alright but it jams towards the end of the mag constantly. My handloads for it are full power, no pussy shit. I put in a heavier recoil spring so we'll see if that fixes the jamming problem.
+Reason I went with a .40 is I want something with a bit more energy than 9mm for concealed carry, but not as powerful as 10mm. I can shoot the M&P great, but I feel as though it's a bit much for defensive use. Eventually I'll probably buy a G20 or a G40, I feel like I should've just gone Glock over S&W but oh well.
+--- 58067077
+>>58055830
+Boomers are horrible at everything. I cannot wait until the last boomer dies.
+--- 58067129
+>>58055606
+>biggest weak point of the gun, and there isn’t many left
+seems like a prime candidate for 3D printing
+
+are the measurements available for it?
+--- 58067217
+>>58066299
+So the VP9 comes with 2 suppressors. You have to get 2 stamps unfortunately. The threads are proprietary for the VP9 unfortunately
+
+On the other hand, the Station Six9/45 has standardized threading. I use a silencerco can on my station six. You can probably find a version on gunbroker without the suppressor included
+--- 58067479
+>>58067029
+Alright, based then. Noted on the M&P 10mm, I’ve been keeping an eye on them as I really love my 5” M&P 9. I’m sure they’ll work it out, but I’m glad I went with a G20, I’ve got a second barrel for .40 but have been shelling out for the decent 10mm. PMCs 10mm JHPs are surprisingly decent for their price. Most Glocks I’ve shot have been .40s and older gens at that, but there is something particularly nice about the G20 and I would assume the G40 as well, the way it soaks up recoil makes even the pissing hot stuff feel totally manageable. If you ever get the chance to shoot or rent one give it a try, if you’re already used to Glocks I think you’ll really like it.
+--- 58067652
+I haven't bought a gun since Feb 2021.
+--- 58067695
+>>58064753
+>Yeah, I don't think they've imported any 243s to the US (yet).
+You're right. They haven't. Some importer tried to but realized they'd end up being more expensive by Tommybuilt's clones, so they gave up.
+--- 58067767
+>>58055563 (OP)
+M&P 5.7, but the bore isn't centered at all and it's sitting somewhere at S&W's gunsmith at the moment.
+
+pic very closely related but not mine
+--- 58067825
+Picked up one of these for very cheap considering how rare they are in the US. Hilariously heavy and the iron sights are shit but the one handed cocking mechanism is too cool to pass up.
+--- 58068062
+>>58055563 (OP)
+Bought a Bushmaster A1 Carbine a couple weeks ago. It had a fixed M4 stock and no bayo lug but I planned on swapping that shit out anyways. The upper did have the tear drop forward assist though, heh. Installed a Brownell's 1/12 twist 20" pencil barrel and OD retro furniture. Not really going for a specific time period clone, just "The Look™".
+--- 58068174
+>>58066914
+Careful with the tiny little rear screws right above the grip. They wiggled their way out on my rough rider while I was shooting it, eagle eyed friend happened to see it hit the ground.
+
+Fun little plinking and spinny gun though
+--- 58068208
+>>58068174
+i have the bigger size also, but will do thanks man
+--- 58068571
+Oh god, i just dropped $1,500 on pic related. What am I in for? Anyone else pick one up? I was worried its going to be like the ARX100, superb but slept on with poor sales, then bam, gone from the market.
+--- 58068580
+>>58068571
+Forgot pic,
+--- 58068599
+>>58068580
+>$1500 for a little plastic blowback 9mm that you still have to sbr
+sure to be even less popular than the ARX, so probably a good call picking it up
+--- 58068706
+>>58067029
+>buys 10mm pistol
+>uses full power loads
+>surprised when it fucks up
+
+That's the true nature of 10mm. Even the Glock 10mms have trouble using legit field loads instead of .40-tier to mid-range 10mms.
+
+Want a magnum pistol? Get a wheelgun
+
+>>58066457
+The only way to make that 23 not suck dick is to put a 9mm conversion barrel in it. Gen3 .40s were/are shit and you can test it with a WML.
+--- 58068742
+>>58068599
+Despite appearances, the upper is actually metal and it has an odd spring loaded ballbearing detent thingy to delay blowback a little so the bolt does’t have to be quite so fuckhueg… but yeah, agreed otherwise.
+--- 58068764
+>>58068742
+That's pretty cool
+I might have to grab one too
+--- 58069974
+>>58055563 (OP)
+Show bobs and vagene.
+--- 58070374
+>>58068706
+>make ultimate auto round
+>pistol jams after first shot
+10mm is a joke 
+They made a super powered round but every semi chokes on it and even if they don’t the high recoil ruins usability
+--- 58070396
+Brought her home yesterday. While she was getting Californicated I found a guy selling an SMR for $360 so as soon as I got home I replaced the fat Mlok forend with the much more svelte Geissele. It handles quite nicely and I cant wait to take her out for the first time. 
+
+>>58066299
+What features do the newer variants have? The only ones I know off the top of my head are the more angled magwell cut and I think one of them had flip up irons in the handguard and the receiver.
+--- 58070474
+>>58070374
+You really just need to put some heavier springs in there if you're shooting top end stuff on the reg.
+Most people are cheap pussies so it's no wonder they're biased toward the weak end from the factory.

k/58055955.txt

@@ -113,3 +113,109 @@ Even his teachers acknowledged that
 >>58055955 (OP)
 I would gladly hear "weapons platform" ten times every day rather than hear some knuckle-dragging fart-sniffing cum guzzler on the range unironically ask me "Hey brah, what optic do you RUN?"
 I don't RUN jack-shit. I USE gear. USE. The two are not interchangeable!
+--- 58059075
+>>58055955 (OP)
+Where were you when OP got deplatformed, then brutally murdered by a weapons substrate.
+--- 58059089
+>>58058345
+Really?
+
+I generally just get on well with people.
+--- 58059135
+>>58058345
+These people are even worse but they are easily brushed off, other retards are we tracked you easy tier retarded.
+--- 58061282
+>>58055955 (OP)
+the joint tactical modular weapons platform to increase warfighter lethality in the modern battlespace
+--- 58061338
+>>58058345
+>yeah, this BUILD i'm RUNNING was really build for LONG RANGE WORK
+--- 58061397
+>>58061338
+tfw know this dude
+--- 58062433
+>>58055955 (OP)
+Shut the fuck up, pedofile
+--- 58062489
+I thought "weapons platform" was used because the weapon dictated how your offensive plans would be based on that "platform". What's wrong with it?
+--- 58062599
+>platform
+Call it a fucking gun.
+>LAM
+Call it a laser.
+>end user
+You are a customer.
+>SPR/GPR/DMR/recce rifle
+Just call it a rifle.
+>"running" a gun/piece of gear
+Using.
+>sustainment/CQB/SUT/other tacticool words describing these skills
+These ones just sound gay.
+--- 58062632
+>>58055955 (OP)
+I would consider all of those to be acceptable use of the M113 'platform' since they're essentially just M113s with different shit bolted onto them.
+--- 58062636
+>>58058345
+Electric optics run on batteries, you are running them consequentially
+
+>>58059135
+>other retards are we tracked you easy tier retarded
+Either you smell hair burning or are a pot calling the kettle black
+--- 58062676
+>>58055955 (OP)
+Modern rifles are platforms anon, get with the times
+--- 58062687
+>>58055955 (OP)
+Platform in this case means a plan; a sketch; a model; a pattern. See also Car Platforms for similar usage. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_platform
+--- 58062721
+>>58062599
+Automatic weapons are ran every time they cycle, which is why common malfunctions are referred to as stoppages
+>muh gun no am full auto
+Then it's ran discretely
+--- 58064768
+>>58055955 (OP)
+>conveys meaning
+>triggers hardasses
+i see no issue
+--- 58064835
+>>58055955 (OP)
+>Terms like pattern...
+Look at the weak-fleshed Terran, co-opting our Mechanicum Heritage. Check your privilege, ye techless meatbag!
+--- 58066462
+>>58055955 (OP)
+Why are you so annoyed by this particular thing? Have you asked yourself, honestly, how much it matters?
+--- 58068032
+>>58066462
+>why are you annoyed when people call magazines clips
+>why are you annoyed when people call the ar-15 an assault rifle
+>why are you annoyed when people say "fully-semi automatic"
+>why are you annoyed when people call them "weapons of war"
+
+Because it's wrong. simple as.
+--- 58068297
+>>58068032
+>when people call the ar-15 an assault rifle
+>it's wrong. simple as.
+--- 58068331
+>>58068297
+that's fair but not all ar-15 pattern rifles are necessarily "assault rifles" therefore, calling an ar-15 an assault rifle is generally a misnomer and retarded
+--- 58068541
+>>58068331
+>therefore, calling an ar-15 an assault rifle is generally a misnomer
+I pray that one day it will not
+--- 58068562
+>>58055955 (OP)
+My ar15 platform was specifically to kill humans not for hunting.
+--- 58068620
+>>58055955 (OP)
+This is a platform.
+Your lego-manchild AR-15 build is not.
+--- 58068639
+>>58068620
+Your platform isn't crafted to do war and kill. It is in fact not an ar platform.
+--- 58068909
+>>58055955 (OP)
+What's this then?
+--- 58068945
+>>58055955 (OP)
+Grow up

k/58056102.txt

@@ -127,3 +127,173 @@ It did a fantastic job setting the tone and atmosphere for the story, the second
 >between the southern border
 >and the arctic
 Anon, I don't think this is what you had in mind, but I approve. Will miss the Canucks though.
+--- 58059624
+>>58058531
+because they were considered fashionable in the 80s and early 90s
+--- 58059648
+>>58056637
+--- 58059700
+>>58056102 (OP)
+this is where I live
+https://youtu.be/XcDQx1CuzVA?t=39 [Embed]
+--- 58059744
+>>58058531
+>>58059624
+No, they were the standard issue glasses for the US military. If you need glasses, those are the glasses you're issued. They are cheap as shit, and semi- rugged
+--- 58059802
+>>58058619
+>arctic
+Illiterate mutt strikes again. I'd tell you to KYS but you already did.
+--- 58059804
+>>58058746
+You go from southern border and get to Arctic the long way, through southern pole.
+--- 58059889
+>>58056717
+Felix was responsible for the death of Che Guevara in the Bolivian wilds
+--- 58059979
+>>58058471
+>zero military victories
+Well the Taliban flag is flying over Afghanistan, and the Viet Cong flag over Vietnam.
+--- 58060592
+>>58059979
+There’s McDonalds in Vietnam though
+--- 58060642
+>>58059979
+the viet cong was literally erased from existence by the US military you fucking retard
+--- 58060760
+>>58056102 (OP)
+OMG....he literally me.
+--- 58060813
+>>58058595
+Where is this from?
+--- 58060823
+>>58060813
+Sicario. unfortunately, this is the best scene in the whole movie
+--- 58061020
+>>58060823
+Sicario is better paced and has more action than Heat (1995): the daytime television drama masquerading as a crime thriller, acclaimed by utter tools here for twelve (12) minutes of /k/ino in a nearly three hour film
+--- 58061112
+>>58060823
+>best scene
+But not the most kino:
+https://youtu.be/jaUjUvf58Y0 [Embed]
+--- 58061178
+you will NEVER guess what unit this is
+--- 58061229
+>>58058531
+standard issue "Birth Control Goggles"
+
+zoomer hipsters are actually starting to eat them as a fashion item now. (all I'm on campus and like half the students dress like disillusioned Vietnam vets, I really don't get it)
+--- 58062160
+>>58061178
+Delta?
+--- 58062211
+>>58058463
+Iraq lost both wars
+--- 58062225
+>>58056102 (OP)
+Guys with this aesthetic has a 200% chance of saving your life
+--- 58062262
+>>58061229
+Its because zoomers are desperate to look more mature as they dont go outside and have drastically lower T which results in decades of babyface.
+--- 58062270
+>>58061229
+> half the students dress like disillusioned Vietnam vets
+Younger generations are drowning in so many layers of irony that it fogs their perspective
+--- 58062415
+>>58062262
+>not aging prematurely is bad 
+people in the past didn't look older because they were high test or whatever, they looked older because they smoked like chimneys and did back breaking labor in the sun
+--- 58062818
+>>58062270
+it's also so funny because a good portion of them are Hmong or Karen. They must have special significance for vietnam war Americans since they are also obsessed with camouflage clothing and 1950s Americana (even see the SV flag in the wild around here in MN, picrel)
+--- 58062950
+>>58059979
+>Viet Cong flag over Vietnam
+First of all, no it isn't you fucking retard. Vietnam's flag is the flag of North Vietnam, not the VC. Secondly, the VC were virtually wiped out in the Tet Offensive. The war was won by the NVA.
+--- 58063883
+>>58058278
+I assume this is from your extensive experience in SOCOM
+--- 58064002
+>>58056102 (OP)
+Is left picrel the guy that plays Michael Westin in Burn Notice, or is it just an uncanny resemblance?
+--- 58064016
+>>58056123
+I wouldn’t be laughing bro
+--- 58064021
+>>58064002
+Nvm it is him in Sicario I looked it up
+--- 58064241
+so why did they lose to goat herders? what happened to accountant guy?
+--- 58064302
+>>58064016
+The kind of rich bastards who shipped all the jobs to china were shitting bricks over this story
+--- 58064308
+>>58064241
+You don’t win by committing war crimes, otherwise ukraine would have been taken over on schedule
+--- 58064441
+>>58064241
+Wrong war, anon. Guy on the left of OP's pic is just a film character, guy on the right is a dude fighting in the Gulf War, an American victory.
+--- 58064461
+>>58058718
+2nd one wasn't directed by the guy who did the first one (Dennis Villenueve) and it shows. Much more of an action movie than a thriller.
+--- 58065379
+>>58061020
+>more action than Heat
+>I only care about action and fast-paced movies because I'm a low IQ zoomer with the attention span of fucking nothing
+--- 58065857
+>>58064621
+>muh car 15 with aimpoint
+--- 58065864
+>>58062225
+The Nerd Rage perk should not be under estimated.
+--- 58065870
+>>58065379
+>Sicario
+>fast-paced
+--- 58066732
+>>58058531
+Probably because they were common back then.
+--- 58066766
+>>58058259
+At least there's always Falling Down.
+--- 58066791
+>>58062225
+40 years of never relaxing ages a man really fast.
+--- 58066919
+>>58065379
+>by my own criterion trying to dunk on someone I admit Sicario is a superior film
+Heat is 3 straight hours of "donnnnn't you do it... don't you rob that bank!" "oh I'm gonna rob it... yup hehe" "don't do it!" over and over again
+Sicario is superior in every single regard
+--- 58068920
+>>58062415
+Eh, little column A, little column B.
+--- 58068953
+>>58064302
+The IRS or ATF would never dare even look at a billionaire the wrong way. Not only would some mega rich guy have the capital to drown you in legislation across multiple states on a whim, his fellow billionaire friends would pull their strings in both parties to personally fuck over every individual member, both the FBI and agent would be getting multiple separate sham lawsuits, destroying the latter's life. This is why the IRS wants to focus on shaniqua and her untaxed venmo payments over $600 and the ATF goes after low hanging fruit in bumpstocks and braces
+--- 58068965
+>>58064016
+did people not know IRS had a division of enforcement agents that were armed before the last 12 months?
+--- 58069287
+>>58068965
+I'm sure they did, but 87,000 armed agents or however many it was is enough to 1v1 the Australian armed forces and probably win, which seems a bit excessive considering the stated goal of investigating tax fraud by people earning over $500,000 a year
+--- 58069348
+>>58062225
+Went to CQD training with a retired SAS guy who was working for MI6. When it was his turn for a drill where the role players get too close and you gotta ascertain the threat, he rips out “GET BACK OR I’LL GIVE YA THE BUSINESS” and did. 
+
+>>58068965
+There are at least 75 federal law enforcement investigative agencies not counting the additional uniformed police ones. Former USPISfag.
+--- 58069357
+>>58069287
+>He fell for the 90,000 agents meme
+IRS CI has about 3,300 with 2,200 of them being special agents. Are you telling somehow have more special agents then the FBI
+--- 58069393
+>>58064016
+>Air force couldn't dump the A10s on Ukraine
+they're going to give them to the IRS, aren't they
+--- 58069488
+>>58069393
+No. Pic rel. Must stop disinfo to sage freedom.
+--- 58069818
+>>58058199
+I am SO glad I'm not the only person who see that

k/58056386.txt

@@ -81,3 +81,662 @@ KWAB
 --- 58058830
 >>58058612
 They owe what? They saved you from nip occupation you useless brown-yellow color no running water slant
+--- 58058890
+>>58056386 (OP)
+>himars
+>island nation
+Focus on putting money towards building a formidable navy and air force so you don't have to fight on your own soil Jose. All the Philippines needs to do is be strong enough to deter China, the US will do most of the heavy lifting in any skirmish. Land based anti-ship missiles would be better than Himars.
+--- 58058912
+>>58056386 (OP)
+>randomly start trying to suck chink cock for a couple of years
+>turns out the chinks still hate you
+>run back to the West
+>wtf, why isn't the US trusting us again?
+--- 58058952
+>>58058912
+Dutertard was the only one sucking chink microdick. 99% of flips hate China and want the country to be the 51st US state
+--- 58058961
+>>58058787
+Yeah plenty of SE Asian countries with F-35s and 9,000 ton DDGs
+
+Shut the fuck up you delusional faggot
+--- 58058995
+>>58058413
+Countries have valuable natural resources outside of people anon
+--- 58059021
+>>58058995
+lmao of all the countries this could apply to you chose the Flips, who depend on remittances for 9% of their GDP
+--- 58059111
+ASEAN is jealous that Flipland has a MDT with America. For every colony/vassal/slave/cumsock comment is pure cope they wished their country had.
+
+They're afraid that Flipland will be given gibs and be turned into a Ukraine.
+
+The rest of the ASEAN cunts are afraid of the Filipino man getting strong.
+--- 58059117
+>>58058961
+The rest of ASEAN doesn't matter, they're in bed with Chyna and too far away in the Pacific
+
+Singapore can claim to be important but it's a non-country for billionaires who are too bored in Europe and in tiny island tax havens
+--- 58059142
+the jews fear the samurai
+--- 58059162
+>>58059142
+--- 58059254
+>>58059111
+We feel nothing but pity for you actually, the way your country operates are similar to a whore on the street, you would suck everyone dick as long as they have the money and when they are bored of you they just throw you away like an used condom, and then after that, you will head right back on the street looking for a new sugar daddy again, without a single intention of escaping the shameless and depraved circle. You are pathetic.
+--- 58059277
+>>58056386 (OP)
+>provide
+Bruh..why not just buy them?
+--- 58059299
+>>58058890
+>All the Philippines needs to do is be strong enough to deter China
+That's the problem, Philippines has jackshit since their politicians and generals pursued dual citizenships instead.
+
+Even when they had US bases they didn't bother upgrading their military unlike Japan or SoKor. When America were kicked out of Subic in 1991 they literally had zero gear and it continued for decade.
+
+They only started buying modern weaponry in piecemeal amounts starting from a decade ago and stalled midway. Their previous President brought permanent diplomatic damage to his own country by aligning with China and even Russia, only tempering relations with the two a year or two before his exit when he got slapped with the hard reality of geopolitics and realpolitik.
+--- 58059323
+>>58059254
+Cope harder malaysian
+--- 58059359
+America will never die for the Philippines, they only did so in WW2 because they were a territory
+Philippines doesn't offer anything to America unlike Japan, Korea and even Taiwan
+Philippines isn't Anglo or European either so you'll have members of Congress pushing whichever administration to just sue for a settlement or abandon the Philippines completely
+--- 58059439
+>>58059323
+Nah, I'm a Chinese man currently on a vacation in Singapore actually, but okay.
+
+Oh I forgot, you are always welcome to do business with us again, there's plenty of cum left for you to enjoy!
+--- 58059608
+>>58059439
+>Chinese
+>male
+
+It never even began lmao
+--- 58059640
+>>58059254
+>nooo satrapies can't feel they were better off under another empire, we need that oil and for seaniggers to love us despite offering them nothing in return.
+--- 58060891
+>>58056386 (OP)
+>give shitty country two patrol ships as an act of charity to deepen relationships with
+>"That's cool and all but... uhhh... why aren't you giving us more?"
+Disgusting. Give 3rd worlders an inch and they'll take a mile. They should be responsible for the defense of their own country, not to be a dog wagging it's tail to another country then begging for more instead of producing their own shit. Then again, what should one expect from a corrupt garbage Asian island in the middle of nowhere right?
+--- 58061049
+>>58059359
+wdym
+the philippines is culturally the same as 20% of the US population
+christian hispanics
+>>58060891
+>hey america give f-16 on discount
+>no
+>why
+>because ur war on drugs barbaric
+>mfw have to keep using 12 fa-50s (only 5 actually operational)
+--- 58061166
+>>58059277
+The Flips are allergic to defense spending. Most years it is under 1% GDP. Scared of a military coup or something.
+--- 58061200
+>>58061166
+MDT means we can slack our asses off for foreign threats
+only dealing with retarded commie rebels in god knows where is all we really need to do
+--- 58061940
+>>58061166
+>The Flips are allergic to defense spending
+Why spend stuff on military gear when you can pocket the millions and billions to enrich yourself and your cronies?
+
+In a real war you and the rest of your family plus clan just fuck off to USA/Canada/Australia/NZ/Japan/Singapore/Europe so why bother?
+--- 58061956
+>>58058273
+>so many outdated craps
+Pathetic lol
+--- 58061998
+>>58061166
+the philippine military had a few coups over the past 30-40 years that were initiated by politicians and political figures
+a couple in the mid-late 80s and at least a couple more in the early-mid 00s; both instances were the philippines' worst political history involving a dictator being ousted in the former and an uber corrupt election cheating midget on the latter
+there is zero evidence that they would start a coup and install a military junta by themselves like thailand or any other indochina shithole
+either way that doesn't excuse ultra low and below bare minimum military spending
+saudi arabia and gulf state leaders are also afraid of coups, yet that doesn't stop them from buying a ton of shit that makes their military really strong on paper
+--- 58062005
+>>58061956
+The bases themselves are outdated and the Philippines is a third world shithole, not a prime vacation spot like Japan, Spain, Italy or South Korea.
+--- 58062175
+The Philippine president is on a state visit to America and he didn't even get any coverage.
+
+I doubt he actually got what he wanted and there are no pledges about F-16s or the HIMARS.
+
+All he got are a couple of shitty patrol boats and 3 second hand C-130s that his Chairforce will crash in the future.
+--- 58062191
+>>58056386 (OP)
+We want them to be a speedbump and resource sink for the chinks, not to make them a regional power
+--- 58062212
+>>58062191
+Flips aren't going to fight the Chinks unless the Chinks actively invade them.
+
+Either way they'll surrender immediately once they realize that they'll be turned into a Ukraine and be bled out while America watches.
+--- 58062218
+>>58058273
+>Can deploy B-61s and nook subs (will permanently make China seethe)
+I see you haven't heard. I think they have closer concerns currently
+https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/us-send-nuclear-submarines-south-korea-agreement-kim-jong-un-threats-rcna81510
+--- 58062247
+>>58062212
+>Flips aren't going to fight the Chinks unless the Chinks actively invade them.
+exactly
+boxing in the chinks is the strategy the US has been using since the 50s. nobody expects paco to go on the offensive.
+>Either way they'll surrender immediately once they realize that they'll be turned into a Ukraine and be bled out while America watches.
+irrelevant, if they're in the philippines that means sea, air and ground assets are being wasted on nothing which indirectly protects more important zones like japan and taiwan. Any serious chink casualties or a filipino victory in this situation is an added bonus
+--- 58062258
+>>58062191
+> not to make them a regional power
+nothing wrong with making an old treaty partner a regional power in a region where you don't exert much influence and whose members just play you off with the other superpower
+--- 58062279
+>>58062258
+Except it costs money and there's no actual reason to gib plane because they're a speedbump at best
+--- 58062284
+>>58062247
+>Chang attacks Jose
+>Jose begs for help from Joe
+>Joe gives Javelins and Stingers
+>Jose loses thousands of men each day
+>Jose realizes that his country is going to be turned into a forever war and that Joe ain't showing up
+>Jose surrenders, not wanting to see any further casualties
+>Chang can now encircle Taiwan
+Jose isn't like Mykhailo, Jose has been conquered thrice
+--- 58062331
+>>58062284
+>>Jose realizes that his country is going to be turned into a forever war
+you're overestimating Jose's cognizance. They're not going to roll over because Paco Taco from Manila province says its over. Also there's no reason for America to give planes to the pinoys, maybe we'd give them patriot batteries or AShMs if they were invaded, but not before. We haven't even given fighters to Ukraine. 
+>>Chang can now encircle Taiwan
+Chang couldn't do this even without touching the Philippines. Taiwan could sink half the Chinese navy by itself, let alone with the assistance of the USN Pacific Fleet
+--- 58062341
+>>58062258
+>in a region where you don't exert much influence
+except we do
+and why would we want to make another regional power when there is already japan who has proven to be a lot more reliable and useful?
+--- 58062351
+>>58056386 (OP)
+Typical pinoy mentality-- complaining about american second hand weapons handed over for free. Old, serviceable weapons are a lot better than whatever weapons the chinese are giving to the philippines which amounts to zero as of 2023. Also, I'm a flip myself and i know most of our people thinks the saying "beggars cant be choosers" does not apply to us even in desperate times. That is why our country is doomed to be a colony forever.
+--- 58062357
+>>58062284
+>Chang attacks Jose
+>Joe gives Javelins and Stingers
+Why would we give antitank and short range AA for a battle that is going to be well off the coast?
+--- 58062442
+>>58062175
+I thought the flip president's main purpose is to deliver president xi's demand for biden not to use philippine bases for offensive operations to defend taiwan?
+--- 58062462
+>>58062341
+Not letting one regional power take hold of a region (allied or not) is generally a good idea.
+--- 58062493
+>>58062462
+i already said we have influence there so they don't
+go beg xi for shit, you loved that chink dick just a couple years ago
+--- 58062564
+>>58062331
+>Taiwan could sink half the Chinese navy by itself
+With what genius? Last time Taiwan tested their missiles it hit their own boats, and recently the guidance system was sent to mainland to repair
+--- 58062594
+Pinoys want to be neutral but are bound to the 1951 MDT. Duterte was bought off by Beijing and tried his hardest to undermine and even axe it but he failed.
+
+Pinoys don't give a shit about Taiwan or dislike the idea of being used as a staging ground for any operations involving Taiwan, the current base agreement doesn't even allow for weaponry to be stored inside these bases and there is huge diplomatic and civilian oversight.
+--- 58062629
+>>58062564
+with the Harpoon missiles they field in addition to their own domestic missiles
+--- 58062726
+>>58062629
+>Harpoon missiles
+Outdated, subsonic and crap range... vs the likes of 052D
+Are you high?
+--- 58062758
+>>58062726
+An operational range of 75% of the width of the Taiwan strait against shitty PLAN vessels... are you?
+Wumao opinions can be safely discarded.
+--- 58062780
+The Philippines will never be an equal treaty partner on the likes of NATO, Israel and Japan.
+
+They're more close to South Vietnam, Afganistan and Iraq; they'll be left alone and behind if shit truly hits the fan.
+
+Philippines should just join BRICS and slowly decouple themselves from the USA.
+--- 58062806
+>>58062758
+>against shitty PLAN vessels
+Show me a different video then. Don't you have more proof?
+Most of USN are outdated crap
+--- 58062885
+>>58062806
+>n-nooo that video isn't evidence give me more evidence
+Wumao detected, opinion rejected. You will never take Taiwan.
+--- 58063079
+>>58062806
+Its telling that its been years and still the only pics you have to show how poor shape the burger fleet is in is a handful of cherry picked moments when the ships were out to sea for extremely long peroids with no warning from the pandemic. Those ships go in and out of ports all over the world every day where any tourist with a disposable wind-up could snap something and yet you can't come up with anything new. Funny that.
+--- 58063083
+>>58062806
+>Most of USN are outdated crap
+If you're feeling froggy than jump, chang.
+--- 58063484
+Did I hear someone complaining?
+
+https://youtu.be/u2dfpm-G71I [Embed]
+--- 58064097
+>>58063484
+The US-Philippine war is one of the most lopsided wars in US history.
+
+>cuck a country who won their independence
+>take very little casualties while the other side lost hundreds of thousands
+--- 58065710
+>>58056386 (OP)
+fucking nigger
+stop making us look bad you larping fuck
+even in this corrupthellhole, patience is a virtue
+--- 58066217
+>>58056386 (OP)
+the Philippines will be like Belarus during a US/China war over Taiwan. It will deny any involvement with the conflict but will allow US aircraft and missiles stationed on its territory to shoot at Chinese targets.
+--- 58066258
+>>58058413
+Australians are cucked and wouldn't spend more than $30 on their military if they weren't forced. The flips are willing to be more broke to pay for that size of military because they don't have the weird pacifism of commonwealth countries
+--- 58067327
+>>58058961
+>Yeah plenty of SE Asian countries with F-35s
+Singapore
+
+>9,000 ton DDGs
+Singapore
+--- 58067415
+>>58056482
+This. The Philippines is not going to be a major actor in a cross-strait war the same way Japan, Taiwan, or potentially South Korea will be. So long as they aren't letting China exploit the northern gap in the first island chain they aren't a key part of our planning.
+--- 58067427
+>>58067327
+>singapore
+so china
+--- 58067436
+Is Marcos good or bad for American interests?
+--- 58067453
+>>58067327
+
+comedy gold if true
+
+>Americans decided to sell F-35 to Singapore.
+>Doesn't realize that Singapore is another Communist China province.
+>Singapore allowed PLAAF 'technician' to inspect the F-35 in the name of Chinese brotherhood and supremacy
+>Just a year later F-35 got surpassed by advanced Shenyang FC-31 version.
+
+I laughed hard when I saw news that the US is going to sell F-35s to Singapore. The moment those jets land in Singapore there is going to be an army of Chinese spies ready to dig into whatever areas they haven't stolen already.
+--- 58067477
+>>58056386 (OP)
+The fucking flips don't even have the expertise and/or funding to maintain some of the more advance military assets and they ask for more? Those flips better prove to us that those morons are actually reliable and competent. Oh wait, they can't
+--- 58067485
+>>58056386 (OP)
+America has no obligation to defend Taiwan. Let those chinks kill each other. The US should stick to defending its treaty allies.
+--- 58067495
+>>58058952
+Everyone blames Duterte for being anti-American but no one wants to take responsibility for the reason why he became so (being molested as a kid by an American missionary). Get fucked you faggot-enablers
+--- 58067498
+>>58058501
+Lmao, out of all the Asian ally the US has, the Flips are the most useless unlike Japan or Korea
+--- 58067538
+>>58066258
+Flips have lost every war they've participated in.
+--- 58068003
+>>58056386 (OP)
+Duterte started as a leftist, better hope Marcos is just doing kayfabe rather than jerking America's chain. The alternative is Chinese funny money slowly but surely guaranteeing elite capture, then a flood of Chinese migrants until the demographics tip in their favor. Your fisheries will be destroyed inside 50 years at this rate, but by all means go ahead with the 'anti-imperial' nonsense with ComIntern bad actors.
+--- 58068058
+America should just break off with the Philippines completely. America in the 50s probably thought that the Philippines will eventually become a first world cunt like Japan or South Korea but their gamble was wrong.
+
+They know that America will never come to their aid and in an event of a real shooting war they'll just be bled out like Ukraine which they don't want to be.
+--- 58068144
+>>58059254
+>Japan was just trying to "liberate" all the countries they invaded
+lol. lmao even
+--- 58068209
+>>58067538
+The Philippines provided 200 military medical personnel during the Gulf War so technically they have.
+--- 58068227
+>>58067498
+The Philippines wasn't rebuilt by America post-WW2 unlike those two cunts.
+--- 58068260
+>>58058413
+That's because Australia doesn't have a military, it's literally the "Australian Defence Force." They could 4x everything they have easily but it's not part of their agenda.
+--- 58068287
+>>58068227
+We did the opposite of help. Their first couple of presidents were puppets that the CIA forced to prioritize U.S interests over their own development. The CIA's Col. Edward Lansdale even wrote the fucking speeches for President Ramon Magsaysay. Not to mention how we didn't care how badly Marcos fucked over his own people as long as he continued to kiss American ass. Even gave him sanctuary when they finally kicked him out.
+--- 58068306
+>>58068287
+>don't give them Marshall gibs
+>don't help them rebuild 
+>install glowie puppets
+>surprised they turned out weak and are asking for advanced gibs because China is stronk now
+America ladies and gentlemen.
+--- 58068316
+>>58056386 (OP)
+If Philippines wants to be a big boy like Japan and Korea, they should pay like Japan and Korea.
+--- 58068338
+>>58068316
+Japan and Korea didn't pay up, they got flooded with WW2 surplus that they didn't need to ask for gibs.
+
+Not paying for their military ensured their focus solely on rebuilding their economy and they got rich eventually they can afford the newest Cold War tech.
+--- 58068351
+You just promise they will be eventually paid with robowaifu-replicas of pic-related and they will fight to the death against the chinese. I am not joking, and no, no one at /a/ knows how Clock became so popular there, can some Filipino fren explain to us why you all obsessed with her?
+--- 58068358
+>>58068338
+>US-Philippine war
+The Philippines received an ungodly amount of support in reconstruction after WW2 (recall they were still technically a US territory at the time). Its absolutely absurd to pretend that then haven't gotten serious handouts. The difference is they pissed theirs away on mass corruption and electing shit leaders who fucked their country over.
+--- 58068374
+>>58068358
+>electing shit leaders
+having glowie puppets installed you mean
+--- 58068378
+>>58068358
+>The Philippines received an ungodly amount of support in reconstruction after WW2
+The Philippines was granted independence in 1946, the Americans were already pulling out after MacArthur returned in 1945.
+
+There was no reconstruction and they had to rebuild on their own.
+--- 58068387
+>>58056486
+BASED neo colonialist
+--- 58068427
+>>58068338
+Japan buys a shit ton of military equipment from the USA and pays over 90% of costs associated with the US presence. Korea as well is a big buyer.
+You're talking like we are still in the 1960s
+--- 58068431
+>>58068306
+It's not that simple you retarded brown monkey, okay, think of it like this, you give a homeless Japanese/Korean man 10$, he will try to turn that 10$ into 100$ due to his own ingenuity, you give a Flip nigger 10$, he will spend it on liquor and ask you for more. The difference is the Jap and Gook are smart as fuck and they can make the best out of what little they had laying around, you niggers on the other hand, just sit there with a thumb up your ass demanding gibs.
+--- 58068454
+>>58068431
+--- 58068466
+>>58068427
+>Japan buys a shit ton of military equipment from the USA and pays over 90% of costs associated with the US presence. Korea as well is a big buyer.
+They were able to become big MIC buyers simply because they had a massive surplus post-WW2 as part of their reconstruction and rebuilding efforts they didn't need to invest much in their military until much later.
+--- 58068495
+>>58068454
+>low IQ brownoid doesn't understand metaphor
+*sign*
+--- 58068499
+>muh China invasion
+
+China has never invaded anyone
+
+Meanwhile the USA has invaded the Philippines, denied them their initial independence from Spain and killed millions of them 
+
+Philippine people remember that Americans killed everyone above 10 years old
+
+They also bombed Manila during WW2 and didn't care if they hit Jap soldiers or Philippine civilians, they knew that their time was up and were on their way out
+
+China has nothing to gain by invading the Philippines and no bomb and not a single arrow from the old dynasties ever landed in the Philippines
+--- 58068508
+>>58068227
+But we did. Out of all the Asian allies, you Flips were one of the very first to receive financial and military aid. You filipinos are just fucking incompetent when it comes to handling such aid considering how corrupt your country is
+--- 58068511
+>>58068495
+Nah I'm white I just hate bad history. 
+>typing out your sighs
+go back to r*ddit
+--- 58068514
+>>58068499
+>China has never invaded anyone
+Vietnam and India beg to differ.
+--- 58068522
+>>58068511
+ok José
+--- 58068524
+so did the new Philippine president really go to Washington to ask for new gibs and didn't get anything?
+--- 58068528
+>>58068374
+>da joos!
+>da CIA!
+Oh fuck off and grow up
+
+>>58068378
+>The Philippines was granted independence in 1946
+Its almost as if I said "recall they were still technically a US territory at the time" and that was a factually accurate statement.
+>There was no reconstruction and they had to rebuild on their own.
+No, absolutely false.
+--- 58068531
+>>58058413
+Unlike Bongistan we take care of our retarded children. Except Liberia... and Puerto Rico...
+
+I think France might win the best dad trophy by default.
+--- 58068538
+>>58068514
+Those don't count obviously. Tibet too. Those are all rightful Han clay and thus its just an internal matter.
+--- 58068547
+>>58068531
+>I think France might win the best dad trophy by default.
+cries in entire African continent
+--- 58068563
+>>58068538
+Yeah, the ol' "Zheng He took a shit here one time and now it's an inalienable territory of ours in perpetuity"
+--- 58068577
+A tale of two cunts
+
+>Poland got invaded by everyone
+Now buying all the available weaponry they can grab their hands on
+>Philippines got invaded thrice
+Doesn't increase defense spending, only buys a handful because of their small budget, always asks for gibs
+--- 58068647
+>>58068577
+that's cuz the flips are essentially useless niggers, the best course of action is to genocide them all and replace the population with actual human beings, look how south korea go from a 10rd world shithole to where they are at today.
+--- 58068648
+>>58068563
+They actually buy into it too. The average chink truly believes that all the war mongering they do is totally acceptable and everyone just gives them shit because they are jealous/intimidated. Its unreal to experience in person. At least with Hong Kong they sort of had a reasonable claim to it considering the agreement with the UK laid that out, still a massive dick move how they went about things though.
+--- 58068662
+I refuse to believe that America didn't even throw down old F-4s and old F-16s when they had a base there.
+--- 58068670
+>>58068577
+Its because they have a defense pact with Uncle Sam and no matter how much Duterte canceled treaties and talked shit he repeatedly and explicitly stated he had no intention of revoking that one.
+--- 58068686
+>>58068670
+Poland is in NATO which is a more serious defense pact than the Philippine-USA MDT.
+
+Article 5 states that if any member is attacked, America will bull rush the aggressor.
+
+The Philippine-USA MDT requires Congress approval before good ole USA does anything. Since the Philippines is a third world shithole, US politicians are less likely to bother and risk the chance of sending the US military for a lost cause.
+
+America can take diplomatic hits, they already bailed out on South Vietnam, Afganistan and Iraq.
+--- 58068693
+>>58068547
+France plays blatant favourites but they support some of their kids.
+>Two sons are fighting
+>Hands a switchblade to the one losing
+--- 58068698
+>>58067495
+>One guy does something to another guy
+>This somehow justifies stealing sovereign territory and attempting to enslave an entire people
+Why can't communists think rationally?
+--- 58068715
+>>58068686
+Just explaining the reason, don't know what you are trying to convince me of.
+--- 58068723
+>>58068431
+Why does everything NEED to boil down to race on this website? Is no one here capable of admitting that the world is both unfair and complicated and as such situations arise that being intelligent alone would not save you from? It's like talking to angry children on every board these days.
+--- 58068730
+>>58068698
+He got buttraped by a gay burger missionary
+One of his hotels got blown up by a burger glowie
+He was denied a US visa years before he ran for office
+
+He was already anti-America from the getgo, America's fault for not using Smartmatic/Dominion to ensure that he loses
+
+His daughter is also the current VP and shares most of his policies, even the President's older sister who is a senator doesn't want US presence in the Philippines
+--- 58068744
+>>58068723
+show me your skin
+--- 58068748
+>>58068730
+>Fuck over your entire nation and try and get the Filipinos enslaved to a xenophobic murder machine because you have a personal vendetta against a guy from a nation that saved your ass twice in history from both the Spanish and the Japanese. 
+Sorry it does seem rational. If you aren't strong enough to put your people before yourself you don't deserve to be a leader.
+--- 58068798
+>>58068748
+>from a nation that saved your ass twice in history from both the Spanish and the Japanese.
+America doublecrossed the Philippines who just beat Spain and started a war by invading them, they could have given them an easy out like Cuba but instead America killed millions of Pinoys.
+
+America only beat back Japan in the Philippines because they were a territory and had a sizeable American POW and civilian population, nothing more. America bombed Manila more than the Japanese.
+
+If America didn't intervene in the Philippines during their revolution they would have been neutral and be spared the destruction and atrocities from WW2, at worst they'll be semi-allied with Japan like Thailand.
+--- 58068852
+>>58068798
+>America doublecrossed the Philippines
+How? The intention was always to give them independence, there are copious writings from that peroid establishing that. We wanted to set them up to actually suceed as it looked like if we just walked away immediately that the rest of Europe was ready to pounce and take them over. So when the representative showed and tried to explain shit to them and they literally refused to even let him land so they could talk shit out, yeah, things got out of hand. Its crazy how we shipped over supplies and teachers and shit DURING the war to try and get things moving along though. Total conquerer behavior.
+--- 58068911
+>>58068693
+The French almost fucked over the entire world with how badly they screwed up Vietnam before they were forced to beg the US for help and torpedo US relationship with the NVA who were more nationalist then commie at the time, so I think they're disqualified even before we get to Africa. Everyone has fucked up, but I think the burgers might get the current trophy for Japan and Korea turning out well enough or the Bongs for Canadia and Aussieland.
+--- 58068938
+>>58068911
+>canada a positive
+Anon...
+--- 58068949
+>>58068938
+Relative to most colonies? Them currently trying to turn into a Chinese outpost aside, they have a reasonably functional economy.
+--- 58068986
+>>58068949
+>MAID, speech curtailing, gun grabbing, turning a blind eye to domestic terrorism, and government corruption
+Its not just about the economy. GDP is not how you measure the value of a nation
+--- 58069080
+>>58068911
+>Bongs for Canadia and Aussieland.
+Look at Africa. The countries that most resemble functioning nations in the present day were almost all British colonies (Egypt, Kenya, Somaliland, South Africa, Uganda, Gambia, Nigeria, etc.)
+--- 58069081
+>>58062284
+Defenders tend to put up with forever wars longer than attackers.
+--- 58069125
+>>58069080
+Somalia vs Somalialand is a great example of why it's not the French for sure, but I guess the question is if you value a decent outcome at the expense of cold relationships, or are willing to tolerate some hits and misses with generally good relationships.
+--- 58069140
+>>58069125
+Somalia was Italian.
+Nigeria vs. Niger might be better, or Ghana and it's neighbors.
+--- 58069143
+>>58069140
+Ah, gomenasai.
+--- 58069161
+>>58069081
+you're thinking that flips will easily accept thousands of casualties like a regular third world country
+this is the same country who cratered an entire political party all because 40 cops got ambushed and rekt by muslim separatists
+even their military instantly dismisses and relocates officers who take dozens of casualties against insurgents in mindanao
+the moment a few hundred flip soldiers get killed the people will call for a surrender and an end to hostilities
+--- 58069192
+>>58056386 (OP)
+ Look at Nagornah Kharbah war, buy more Israeli missiles. The Barak 8 intercepted the Iskander 
+
+https://youtu.be/s1Z75jy5TGM [Embed]
+--- 58069221
+>>58069192
+>be Philippines
+>most of your modern stuff are from Israel
+>Elbit, Rafael are making a killing 
+>also Philippines
+>buys Indian Brahmos
+>just before Putler attacked Ukraine
+>when the Brahmos has vatnik components
+>they were also sold the monkey model export version, even a Spike NLOS has longer range
+>Pinoys think they're getting the same Brahmos that zigzagged across Pakistan's border
+>mfw India delivers duds because of zero vatnik components and classic Indian jewry and incompetence
+--- 58069298
+>>58069161
+That kind of thing has been said before every disastrous forever invasion. Occasionally it's right but I wouldn't bet much on it.
+--- 58069446
+>>58069161
+>country not letting it's guys die for no reason and without repercussions = they can't take casualties
+I know bugmen and orc lives don't mean much but holy shit. Letting people die just for the sake of dying doesn't make you great at war or else the special needs op wouldn't have lasted this long.
+--- 58069491
+>>58069446
+Russians don't care about losing 100k
+
+Flips will revolt at their government if they lost 1000
+--- 58069527
+>>58068499
+It's funny, MacArthur practically made it so that the Americans couldn't ignore Manila due to his ridiculous delusions of grandeur where much of the impetus lies on him for even setting the events in motion.
+
+
+It was something that could have completely been avoidable, and yet the Americans still decided to fuck everything up by doing a complete sloppy job by turning Manila into hell on earth because they didn't give a shit about anyone, just bomb everything that's brown or yellow because that's what they do best, leaving hundreds of thousands dead in the end over nothing. I always remember this event (among many others) any time Americans try to lecture anyone about their moral supremacy and how actually everyone LOVES them and how everyone HATES China (hint it's the exact opposite)
+--- 58069620
+>>58069491
+It's not really about the number, people who aren't buck broken get angry about lives being wasted. Democratic countries can endure very high casualties when there's an actual necessity.
+--- 58069639
+>>58069620
+What is the actual necessity here? Maintaining American hegemony by fighting China down to the last Filipino? By turning their country into yet another Ukraine? Good luck selling that to them.
+--- 58069657
+>>58069639
+Not getting conquered.
+--- 58069717
+>>58069657
+You are delusional if you think China is interested in conquering the philippines. They only care about Taiwan to end the civil war, they don't care about conquering some poor nation that is culturally, ethnically, religiously, and linguistically different from them. That's more America's thing considering America fought a war against Filipino independence and ended up leaving hundreds of thousands of civilians dead as a result.
+
+Now point to me where China has ever done the same to the phillippines, I'll wait.
+--- 58069984
+>>58069717
+>actively taking islands from neighbors off some extremely dubious claims
+>building carriers for force projection
+Yeah the bugs are really peaceful and ccp does no wrong. Yeah kys chinkshill.
+--- 58070028
+>>58069984
+Island disputes is not the same as conquering an entire people, try again with your false equivalence
+And wow, it's almost as if carriers are useful as force projection to protect China's foreign diplomatic & trade interests as a result of many bilateral ties it has fostered in the middle east, Africa, and Latin America. It's almost like this force projection would be useful in the even that CIA cunts start funding terrorists and death squads to upend everything until an American puppet is installed like they always do, who fucking knew
+--- 58070167
+>>58056386 (OP)
+It will never happen. 
+
+The Philippines has explicitly been brought up by the US since Independence to be 100% reliant on them for external defense such as the Bases Act of 1946, the Mutual Defense Treaties, and bajillions of military assistance & advisory deals since 1946. Coupled with corrupt leaders, nobody in the country's leadership would spend a dime towards building an actual standing military despite having more than Vietnam's GDP. 
+
+Why waste all that unpocketed profit for luxuries like "sovereignity" if there's the US to protect you, right?
+--- 58070382
+>>58070167
+Philippines out of anyone should know that the US coming in to save the day before you get marched to death isn't a guarantee.
+--- 58070443
+>>58069717
+In your hypothetical they're invading and killing loads of people
+--- 58070455
+>>58070028
+>Demanding some small areas of land is very different from annexing Czechoslovakia
+--- 58070462
+>>58070167
+America is so cheap they didn't even leave a single Bradley or M1A1 in the 80s
+--- 58070479
+>>58058413
+>Who tf is paying for this
+America, in exchange we basically write their foreign policy.
+--- 58070500
+>>58058501
+Damn they make NATO look fucking badass. What is with Russian and Chinese propaganda and making their enemies look cooler than them?
+--- 58070510
+>>58070479
+>we basically write their foreign policy.
+Not that different from their current foreign policy.
+
+USA gud
+China bad
+Globohomo gud
+EU gud
+Japan gud
+Australia gud
+Korea gud
+Russia gud
+Slava Ukraini
+--- 58070525
+>>58059359
+>Philippines doesn't offer anything to America
+Not true, they give us girlfriends and an endless supply of Josh Luna butthurt
+--- 58070529
+>>58070382
+Filipinos have no long term memories. Corrupt politicians there are overthrown by popular demand and after 5 years of lying low, are back in power again after simply distributing bribes and patronage.
+--- 58070532
+Desu 12 F-35s, some Harpoons, Patriots, NSM and radars/sonars to detect Chicom ships and aircraft will make Chyna eternally seethe.
+--- 58070541
+>>58070525
+>Josh Luna
+He's not butthurt at America, he's more butthurt at the mainland Philippines for rejecting him
+--- 58070558
+>>58070541
+True but I never indicated where his butthurt was directed, just that he has a lot of it
+--- 58070568
+You can have an F-16 when I get a cute filipina gf
+--- 58070574
+UGH MARCOSBROS
+NO F-16V
+NO HIMARS
+NO PAC-3
+NO NO HARPOON
+JUST TINY SECOND HAND PATROL BOATS AND THREE OLD C-130H
+NOT EVEN THE SUPER HERCULES
+ITS OGRE
+TIME TO BOW DOWN TO CHINA

k/58056430.txt

@@ -111,3 +111,210 @@ Or gay troll. I refuse to believe any man would willingly type that
 --- 58058766
 >>58058207
 no not really
+--- 58059844
+>>58056430 (OP)
+You can see that most of those are captured from the Indonesian Army
+--- 58059869
+>>58056430 (OP)
+The CIA like everyone else
+--- 58059922
+>>58059869
+the CIA would be supporting the Indonesian government
+--- 58059971
+should send them more guns
+they deserve a fair shot at kicking the Javans out
+--- 58059999
+>>58056430 (OP)
+Pic three that apply.
+>old Jap/Dutch left behind WW2 shit that they somehow managed to fix.
+>Capture Indonesian weapons they took from dead cops (mostly & soldiers).
+>Filipino pirates & smugglers from the Philippines troubled South. They mainly pass through the Celebes/Sulawesi see which is close to West Papua.
+--- 58060002
+>>58056430 (OP)
+Indonesia is extremely corrupt. A not insignificant number of weapons are supplied to resistance fighters directly by government authorities.
+--- 58060013
+>>58059971
+there's a bit of a problem there
+the Indonesian government has encouraged Javanese to migrate to West Papua + the Papuans have high infant mortality and low life expectancy
+So they are now a minority in their own land, they may be only 47% of the population of West Papua
+--- 58060035
+>>58060013
+colonialism: it just works 
+
+still on the side of the Papuans in this though, nothing quite like a motivated rebel militia fighting in their logistical nightmare of a homeland
+--- 58060073
+For me its this dude
+>trying real hard to hang with the big dawgs
+--- 58060145
+>>58057442
+>the map is largely blank
+>the few place names have no available information
+--- 58060167
+Mining has been a big issue in West Papua for a long time but now also the 'carbon trade' is leading to large swathes of the mountain highlands being clear cut for palm oil plantations
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBbVu1ZOpYY [Embed]
+--- 58060425
+>>58056457
+--- 58060504
+>>58060073
+>>58060425
+for me its the naked man with just a spear
+this is a man without fear
+--- 58060542
+>>58060073
+>>58060425
+He's the only fucker with a watch, shit was probably real expensive and so all he could afford was a pistol.
+--- 58060788
+>>58056457
+guess i am just racist, but an abo resistance army woulde be kinda kino
+--- 58065905
+Most of them are from the Indonesians.
+--- 58065928
+>>58056854
+I thought Aussies were helping clear them for mining
+--- 58065930
+>>58056430 (OP)
+>Jackal: It's a romantic notion that they all came out of the Soviet Union after the collapse; that was a windfall back in '89, maybe through '91... but that's all over. I move weapons, I profit from circulation; you get a ceasefire in Liberia, both sides disarm, you think they slag two thousand tons of guns? No. They sell them to me. I resell them wherever the next war is starting.
+>Oluwagembi: Those are Soviet guns from 1989?
+>Jackal: Hm... That's about half. The rest mostly come from old European armies after they abandoned their colonies in the '60s and '70s, you know, French guns, Dutch, Belgian...
+pic unrelated
+--- 58066116
+>>58056488
+Maxwell, forget his first name. Conflict was abuse of the local workers in a mine by the government. Executive Outcomes was hired to combat the insurgency. 
+Maxwell kept his backround ambiguous, gave an interview said he was fighting against the government maltreatment of the locals. 
+There was a thread, which I can't seem to find, on the whole conflict. It had a link to some of Maxwell' recent writing on the conflict. I think he might still be alive.
+Pic semi related. /k/'s reverence of "One man against the odds"
+--- 58066144
+>>58056430 (OP)
+Guns are easy to buy outside the US and any country with a functioning bureaucracy. A flip or Indonesian arms dealer is willing to trade some cheap rifles for a fuck load of palm oils or whatever hey make in return. Hell there's even a jap director that was a /k/oomer at heart and set up a summer home in the Philippines and bought dozens of machine guns to play with in his personal range.
+--- 58066182
+>>58056600
+>>58057307
+Napalm the entire island
+--- 58066314
+>>58066116
+Executive Outcomes was in PNG in the 1990s for the Port Morseby conflict
+--- 58066650
+>>58056430 (OP)
+>pic related
+--- 58066680
+>>58066650
+hes a free man now so most likely yes
+--- 58066748
+>>58056457
+Have they still got that guy? Kiwi bush pilot
+--- 58066829
+>>58056500
+Maybe he wandered over the border? Still native as fuck. Does PNG support these guys at all? Maybe just went over on his own buzz even deserted the army and took the gun with him. But I'm sure theres more than a few minimis floating around that made their way out of army stores. It's a big ass jungle on the border that militias could wander though both ways even though the armies are out there, plus im sure weapons lost to corruption and to the occasional contact. I'd say if indo militias came the other way into png aussie and kiwi troops would end up there..
+--- 58067045
+>>58066748
+Yes
+Indonesian SF tried to rescue him
+Got ambushed
+One guy fell down a ravine, Papuans killed NINE others, the rest then fled into the jungle
+--- 58067078
+>>58066829
+>Does PNG support these guys at all? 
+I would doubt it, they would not want to have friction and hostilities with their giant neighbor plus they have enough problems of their own with the Bougainville Independence Movement and tribal conflicts
+Individuals in PNG probably sympathize and provide whatever help they can afford
+--- 58067102
+>>58067045
+Fuck sake. I presume hes ok. I wonder if the indonesians would allow someone else to come in and get him. Or with the right people and some deniability, if they would ever even know someone did.
+
+Wonder what they hoped to achieve taking a western man hostage. To escalate things and get other countries to poke their noses in? My experience with paupans is more "can I buy your sister" and smoking tobacco rolled up in newspaper but maybe one of these fullas has a plan.
+--- 58067149
+>>58067102
+>Wonder what they hoped to achieve taking a western man hostage. 
+They're demanding Papuan independence
+Obviously one random bloke isn't going to achieve that
+So inevitably the Indonesians will make a counter offer, or the Papuans will suggest it as an alternative, of releasing some people from prison or paying a ransom and that is what they will accept
+--- 58067238
+>>58056430 (OP)
+These photos facinate me. Dudes have a grease gun, a M249, various AR and similar rifles, a 203 grenade launcher, in the hands of trials who hunt bushmeat with sticks for a living and who's technology never advanced beyond the grass hut. I wonder what grasp of completely they have of these weapons? I'd love to be in spectator mode and see what their understanding of disassembly and weapons servicing they have, as well as application. Is it just a magic boom stick to them? Or do they grasp the internet functionality
+--- 58067351
+>>58067238
+If as the other anon said they ambush the indonesian army I'd say they have a pretty good understanding of how to keep their weapons going as well as small unit tactics. Don't go thinking they are retarded just because they are a tribal place. In fact being tribal and hunting bush meat means they can go live in the jungle without support, or with support and intel from tribes they are friendly with, and probably as a movement aren't going anywhere anytime soon. They might come from a lot of different places and cultures but a lot can also speak pidgin english with each other and a few probably have military training.
+--- 58067419
+>>58067351
+I'm not doubting their intelligence, just wondering what level of "civilizations collide" a bunch of bushmen getting a belt fed weapon ends up being
+--- 58067421
+>>58056430 (OP)
+nicolas cage sells guns to them
+--- 58067797
+>>58060073
+For me it's this guy
+>I am in charge, I will get the big gun
+
+If you squint that OP pic looks like a working rifle section
+--- 58067844
+Im sure this guy earns his keep too
+--- 58068027
+>>58067844
+absolutely, barks when Indos approach camp at night
+--- 58068060
+>>58068027
+Be better if he just stiffen up and point at them or something like that. Low growl maybe. I've always thought a dog would go good in the jungle. Train it like you would for indicating deer
+--- 58068116
+>>58067238
+>hunt bushmeat
+Monkey and Ape meat is in Africa
+Orangutans are on the islands of Borneo and Sumatra, not Papua
+Papuans are farmers, they grow Taro and Sweet Potato and raise pigs and supplement this with fishing and gathering wild plants - which is why the Grasberg mine polluting the rivers and clear cutting the forests is a bit of a problem for them
+>and who's technology never advanced beyond the grass hut.
+Papua is where the Taro vegetable was cultivated and domesticated
+They're isolated but they're not stupid, they would be more akin to people in the Appalachias than cavemen
+Those on the coast have a lot more contact with the outside including internet access
+A lot of the members of the Independence movement have been to university in Jakarta
+That is how they know how badly they're being screwed, and the racism they experience there fuels their resolve
+--- 58068619
+>>58056500
+Indonesians use minimi as well. They build them under license there. Pindad SM-3. So the gun could come from either side of the border.
+
+And if the guy is from PNG or wants to be part of it. You should know that the head of state there in their country, is Charles III
+--- 58068696
+>>58056430 (OP)
+Use old guns abandoned in ww2
+Kill troops with new guns
+--- 58068703
+>>58057333
+Damn the Paupans know how to do colkateral damage
+--- 58068727
+>>58056430 (OP)
+>>58056457
+
+may as well be props with that handling
+--- 58068760
+>>58068116
+>Appalachias
+
+Hillbillies aren't particularly known for cannibalism
+
+>>58068727
+Probably got little range time. I've seen dudes from armies similar to PNG unzero their rifles on purpose when training to be given more rounds to shoot. But I bet they have been in a few contacts as well
+--- 58068782
+>>58068760
+Appalachia is full of cannibal hillbillies
+
+Don't move here.
+--- 58068783
+>>58066748
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nduga_hostage_crisis
+>On 26 April, Mehrtens' captors released a video statement by Mehrtens stating he was alive and well. Mehrtens also called upon the Indonesian Army to stop bombing the area to avoid endangering him. He claimed that he was being well-treated by his captors. Mehrtens also appeared to be wearing restraints around his neck and wrist
+--- 58068845
+>>58068782
+Where I live I can already see my fair share of recently cannibals and hillbillies alike. Sometimes they even work quite well together.
+
+>>58068783
+If hes honest that they are treating him well, he will be doing ok.
+--- 58069233
+>>58068783
+>The Indonesians evacuated thousands of people from around Paro airport, Ndago Regency, Lanny Jaya Regency, and Puncak in an effort to deny Kogoya's group community assistance. 
+yikes
+--- 58069274
+>>58056430 (OP)
+frum dem guvment
+--- 58069726
+>>58069274
+It not government who does the job
+--- 58069972
+>>58056430 (OP)
+me

k/58056496.txt

@@ -215,3 +215,205 @@ truly, the left can’t meme
 --- 58058875
 >>58058864
 >truly, the left can’t meme
+--- 58058894
+>>58058875
+anon, I was referring to ziggers
+--- 58058900
+>>58058843
+Imagine Ukraine only survive cause of that based turbo regard getting drunk during.covid with his buddies.
+--- 58058951
+>>58056809
+>orc has depots in places convenient to orc
+>be ukie, don't like the status quo, deploy HIMARS
+>orc now has to move depots further from where demand is, also putting strain on delivery, but pressure is low enough that you don't need to figure out different logistics
+>time flies
+>orc is now more comfortable and works on streamlining deliveries and returning to previous status quo
+>be ukie, don't like the status quo, deploy DRONES
+>orc now has to move depots even further from where demand is, also putting further strain on delivery, but pressure is still low enough that you don't need to figure out different logistics
+>time flies...
+The key for ukies is not to overdo it. Exploding buildings might look le heckin epic on the internet, but you don't want orcs to abandon their methodology altogether, because they might come up with something you don't have an easy counter to.
+--- 58058972
+>>58056861
+That unironically sounds absolutely fucking kino
+--- 58058987
+>>58057401
+Nah they hate them for their participation in the the white movement and that such a small country has similar if not more influence than the "largest country in the world".
+Similar vibe as to why they hate Japs too, considering their historical losses.
+--- 58059172
+>>58056603
+https://youtu.be/S-Eyhq-D9yM [Embed]
+--- 58059174
+>>58057401
+Their hate goes a lot further back than that.
+They're butthurt that Britain won the Great Game and cucked them out of being able to expand into India and Persia.
+They're butthurt about the Crimean War when Britain prevented them from expanding into the Ottoman Empire or taking the Bosporus.
+They're butthurt about Britain not siding with them against Japan in the early 20th century.
+Etc. They've basically been seething mad about Britain since the Victorian age on to the present day.
+--- 58059209
+>>58058951
+This right here
+--- 58059226
+>>58058859
+"probs shoulda just made do with Crimea..."
+--- 58059234
+>>58059174
+Beautiful
+--- 58059241
+>>58056548
+>>the Ukrainians are basically doing what the Allies did in the Mediterranean
+>>we're going to see Russian tanks completely without fuel and men rationing bullets
+Oh no, they'll have no fuel for the vehicles they don't have and less bullets than....they have bullets still?
+--- 58059263
+>>58059174
+>They're butthurt that Britain won the Great Game and cucked them out of being able to expand into India and Persia.
+That never occured to me but you might be correct.
+--- 58059271
+>>58056809
+Ukrainian attack supposedly imminent.
+Russia needs mobile reserves to counter the attack.
+Mobile reserves need vehicles to be mobile.
+Vehicles need fuel.
+Atack fuel storage in theater.
+Now reserves have less fuel.
+Now reserves are less mobile.
+Counterattack becomes harder.
+Odds of success of ukrainian offensive go up.
+
+It's not exactly complicated, anon.
+--- 58059349
+>>58056603
+banan
+--- 58059385
+>>58059226
+Fuck, if he wanted to lose Crimea so bad he could have just left.
+--- 58059412
+>>58056861
+thats bullshit 
+but i believe it
+--- 58059414
+>>58056809
+>Russia won't run out of fuel for their tanks
+except for that time they did do just that
+--- 58059469
+>>58056603
+There is a greater than zero possibility that his glowies are calling this fake news
+--- 58060276
+>>58056861
+that sounds suspiciously like a story from mort homme at verdun.
+--- 58061426
+>>58059263
+He is. That really is it: the UK has been fucking with Russia since Russia came onto the world stage. And not in a "Russia is a serious threat" way. In a "get back in your hole, little man" sort of way.
+--- 58063457
+>>58058864
+The left didn't make that one
+--- 58063492
+>>58061426
+Yup. They're more of a pest than a serious threat
+--- 58063495
+>>58056809
+fuel doesnt automatically refine itself and appear in a tank anon
+--- 58063506
+>>58056843
+WTF is an air defense
+--- 58063538
+>>58056809
+Real "but my food comes from the supermarket" energy from this post.
+--- 58063550
+>>58056603
+putin rn
+--- 58063630
+>>58063550
+Sau what you will but Dubya handled that shit really well. Literal nightmare scenario to get news like that but to already be in front of cameras from every media organization for some PR stunt in an elementary school classroom is just next level insane.
+--- 58063640
+>>58056861
+>I’m starting to think war isn’t all it’s cracked up to be bros
+Only when its stagnant. When there's a lot of movement and dynamics, both sides really start to enjoy themselves, no matter how brutal the casualties are.
+North African campaign is a good example
+--- 58064638
+>>58063506
+>WTF is an air defense
+Its (one of) those things Russia 
+A) doesn't have and 
+B) isn't good at 
+anymore.
+--- 58064823
+>>58059174
+There's also animosity about the British government denying asylum to the Czar and his family (since Russians somehow worship both the imperial dynasty and the group that destroyed it).
+--- 58065017
+>>58056620
+padažas?
+--- 58065075
+>>58056861
+>>58063640
+Reminds me of how there were ceasefires to clean up the dead during Battle of Crete, because in the hot Mediterranean sun, the smell of rot was unbearable.
+--- 58065102
+>>58056620
+Sauce
+--- 58065118
+>>58064638
+>>58056843
+>>58056849
+Hint: It never existed
+--- 58065140
+>>58056861
+> his bootlace got stuck on a piece of human rib cage that was buried 2 feet in the mud
+--- 58065241
+>>58058836
+>>58058843
+>>58058900
+Even better, the war has given Tories the perfect excuse to forget about having to pay back for the russian money they've received over the years. Which is hilariously scummy.
+--- 58066133
+>>58056695
+Kek I had forgotten this. How long has it been?
+--- 58066250
+>>58056603
+Bout thos beans
+--- 58066383
+>>58056511
+>>58056535
+it's like an advent calendar - you pop one tank each day entire month.
+--- 58066400
+>>58056695
+you can save it, if you want to.
+--- 58066493
+>>58057401
+The UK has a long history of messing with Russia.
+I reckon that another (small) part of why the UK has been the first to step forward is getting payment with interest from Russia for the Polonium and Novichok murders on UK soil.
+--- 58066683
+>>58056809
+nigga you still gotta store the gas somewhere fuckin dumbass talking like you can just walk up to a derrick and fillerup
+--- 58066921
+>>58066493
+I don't see anything wrong with killing traitor spies (I think foreign spies when caught should be tortured until they die or lose their ability to answer questions, then be killed), but using fucking chemical weapons to do the job was insanely stupid.
+--- 58068826
+>>58057780
+KEK
+--- 58068848
+>>58068826
+LOL
+--- 58069027
+>>58056620
+source?
+--- 58069094
+>>58069027
+>>58065017
+>>58065102
+https://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=1772365
+--- 58069740
+>>58056861
+You've posted this, verbatim, copy paste, with the same image in multiple threads
+--- 58069765
+>>58056667
+Piss on that. Russian demographics need a stake through the heart for their collective guilt. Russian is responsible for the entire Left therefore ALL anti-2A legislation and of course guilty of defiling /k/
+
+The only legitimate view for a weapons enthusiasts is desire to moderately genocide all Russniggers
+--- 58069784
+>>58056809
+>Fuel is one of the least resource issues that Russia has.
+
+We understand in your country fuel logistics moves by plastic bucket but sustaining a modern or even primitive armed for requires more than that you filthy tourist.
+
+Why do you have an opinion when your're a moron?
+
+>Shadow Storms
+Illiterate too we see.

k/58056844.txt

@@ -171,3 +171,195 @@ All in all, I think they are pretty good.
 >>58056996
 Who knows? Seems like our politician can never have enough niggers, going to war to gain some more seems totally within their reach
 t. Frenchoid
+--- 58059626
+>>58057327
+>CIA coups all of Latin America cus Cold War
+>Junta propaganda says it's a 100% organic movement to save the country from le gommunism
+>Dumb boomers grow up with propaganda and now they think the army can save the country from le gommunism again
+>They don't coup of the country because fat boomers ain't the CIA
+>Zoomers hated the army because they never bothered to repeal the dumb Junta-era draft
+> Leftists always hated the Army for being a drain of money
+>Now the boomers hate them too for "betraying" the country
+kek really
+--- 58059657
+>>58057204
+--- 58059663
+>>58058631
+>Who knows? Seems like our politician can never have enough niggers, going to war to gain some more seems totally within their reach
+>t. Frenchoid
+Slaves clean toilets and floors. Plus La Charge Plus Le Meme. Libertie, Egalitie Et Slaverie
+--- 58059676
+>>58056844 (OP)
+Lose(and coups)
+--- 58059727
+larping as the wehrmacht in parades
+--- 58060157
+>>58057768
+>>58058446
+>>58058513
+
+Nice effort posts desu
+--- 58060231
+>>58057050
+Not really, the us dosnt allow wars in south america anymore. This is how you get countries like argentina with a super defunded military or no military at all in countries like costa rica.
+--- 58060459
+>>58056844 (OP)
+It varies from country to country but generally they so stuff like coups, preventing coups, go out into the streets when martial law is a thing (usually happens once or twice a year) shoot at rioters when rioting happens and stuff like that.
+
+War between SA countries hasn't happened in a long while but that doesn't mean that tensions are unexistant, every once in a while arguments start between governments about dumb unimportant stuff. You know how bigger countries use nukes as a negotiation tool? Armies in SA work similarly
+--- 58060463
+>>58057447
+>white women age worse than latinas
+holy fucking shit you're delusional.
+nearly all latin women turn into goblins by 35
+--- 58061624
+>>58060463
+Indos do
+--- 58061735
+>>58057466
+The Upper class of ANY south american country is full of white people or they mongrels, the more white mongrel you are, the higher your status. Only being a celebrity, singer or sport star makes any darkish man have any chance (that or a criminal, but then criminals in south america have short lives). Of course it helps a lot to not be a friggin autist and knowing latinas despise weakness.
+--- 58061923
+>>58056844 (OP)
+Work out latina women and make them fit so they can dominate me in the bedroom later
+--- 58062000
+>>58056844 (OP)
+LARPing
+--- 58062023
+Participate in civil wars
+--- 58062044
+>>58059626
+They shot themselves in the foot by getting into politics in the last govt.
+Now not only the left hates them even more, some of their most loyal supporters now hates them too.
+
+Plus the image of "moral compass" was thrown into the shitter because they supported some pathetic attempt of Tropical Trump, now they have to obey orders of the commie they hate for the third time lmao
+--- 58062057
+>>58058575
+Well either your friend is lying or you're full of shit because the Brazilian military doesn't hire civilian contractors.
+
+t. served
+--- 58062137
+>>58057204
+It's scary how much my Mexican wife looks like the Mexican chick in that image
+> btw most Mexican women look like Yalitza Aparicio
+--- 58062182
+>>58057655
+I like this idea that America is responsible for spic countries being drug-addled shitholes, as if spics aren't perfectly capable of making that happen themselves.
+--- 58062389
+>>58057204
+Pretty sure Bolivia's a pornstar.
+--- 58062419
+>>58057300
+>t. was hypnotized into marrying 2 Venezuelan chicks with big fake tits in the last 5 years
+my condolences
+>t.venezuelan anon
+--- 58062466
+>>58057548
+actually... most latin woman prefer other latim men,most of the woman consider the men in usa,europe,asia "leche fria" wich mean they are kinda to tame for their taste.
+
+source?
+>only men of 11 female cousins in latam.
+--- 58062763
+>>58057204
+Colombian coke, coffee, and creampies
+--- 58063040
+>>58057204
+Gib Chile.
+>when she gives you those bedroom eyes after you come home from a long day of "helicopter tours"
+--- 58063057
+>>58056844 (OP)
+Copy their role model and lose to the English.
+--- 58063096
+>>58056950
+it's interesting how these drugs are produced without many problems
+--- 58063104
+>>58057707
+>They built an incredibly dehumanizing super prison
+NCD nigger
+--- 58063186
+>>58057269
+>Implying the average Need for Feeder is any better because they're hwite Southron Belles.
+--- 58064519
+>>58062057
+They do hire contractors, but its one digit quantity for very specialized tasks
+t. trust me dude
+--- 58064759
+>>58056996
+nice.
+boating around, nobody dies and everyone is getting his lobster.
+--- 58064795
+>>58057024
+>What do they do?
+Arrest drug user. Beat him until he tells you the name of drug dealer.
+
+Arrest drug dealer. Beat him until he tells you the name of drug supplier.
+
+Show up at drug supplier's home or facility. If alone, capture and torture for intelligence. If you manage to land an actual outpost or manufacturing facility, assault it with death squads. Prisoners are tortured for intelligence, then liquidated.
+
+Repeat until you run out of drug traffickers or soldiers.
+--- 58064830
+>>58063186
+>Where ever I mart, I must shart. Even in scooter I serve the McSsiah.
+--- 58064878
+>>58056844 (OP)
+Chase innocent island peoples
+--- 58064880
+>>58063186
+American motorized infantry
+--- 58065137
+>>58056950
+Or in Venezuela's case, actively operating as drug cartels.
+--- 58065293
+>>58062182
+America is objectively the biggest market for drugs in the world anon
+--- 58065314
+>>58060463
+At least none of them are Asian women. They look like children until 40, then they look like Baba Yaga.
+--- 58065415
+>>58056844 (OP)
+coups
+--- 58065672
+>>58056996
+>Admiral Paulo Moreira da Silva, Brazil’s Navy expert in the field of oceanography who had been sent to assist the diplomatic committee during the general discussions, argued that for Brazil to accept the French scientific thesis that a lobster would be considered a fish when it “leaps” on the seafloor, it would be required in the same way to accept the Brazilian premise that when a kangaroo “hops,” it would be considered a bird.
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobster_War
+based
+--- 58065726
+None of these countries are going to war with one another nor do they participate in coalition adventures overseas. So what ARE they for? Just another sector for corrupt careerists to take bribes and do embezzlement while providing a career path for browns?
+--- 58065765
+>>58065726
+Several central/south american countries were part of the US coalition in Iraq, plus a fuckton of military contractors.
+--- 58065794
+>>58057132
+No you don't
+--- 58065917
+>>58065726
+argentina, brazil and chile invaded and occupied haiti less than 20 years ago under the united nations
+--- 58065927
+>>58057132
+I am Latino and 2/3rds of mu coworkers are attractive Latinas. You sure as fuck don't.
+
+>>58065794
+This one knows.
+--- 58065996
+>>58064795
+>t retard.
+--- 58066011
+>>58062182
+stop being such fucking drug addicted then retard
+--- 58066032
+>>58062182
+They are, but American intelligence agencies are outright responsible for most of it. The situation would be nowhere as bad as it is if not for the CIA and the DEA.
+--- 58066048
+>>58062182
+LatAm sure have their fair share of the guilt, but fucking with their democracies for decades was a huge part of why they're all shitholes and why they're all siding with China now.
+--- 58066066
+>>58056950
+Kek. I was going to say “doing drugs” but this is better
+--- 58066131
+>>58057132
+No, you don’t.
+--- 58069108
+>>58064878
+me running from hobos in NYC
+--- 58070103
+>>58057768
+Is that an MI8?

k/58057129.txt

@@ -32,3 +32,53 @@ I'm tempted to get a 5.7 pistol (probably would go with the PSA Rock because its
 --- 58058208
 >>58057129 (OP)
 it;s aight
+--- 58059157
+I don't think it's as much a meme as it was 20 years ago. What it needs is more manufacturers going in on it so the price per round can come down. If the price were to match 9mm per round I'd adopt it in a heart beat. But alas, it isn't there yet.
+--- 58059674
+Kinda, yeah.
+--- 58059731
+Yes, but it's pretty.
+--- 58061869
+>>58057329
+The trigger probably blows
+I have the Ruger 5.7 pistol and it sucks
+--- 58064472
+>>58057129 (OP)
+It does what it was designed to do, ie give pistols and smgs the ability to penetrate body armor. Now why wasn't it adopted widely? One, the cold war ended, and two, the germans got pissy and threw a fit.
+--- 58064510
+>>58057129 (OP)
+for civilians, yes. Unless you can get some AP police-only bullshit, the whole purpose of the 5.7 is null.
+--- 58064543
+>>58057129 (OP)
+Isn’t tok basically everything it wants to be but not a failure?
+5.7 fails FBI penetration tests, Tok over does so you use JHP that shred the target. It also has enough mass to go through steel and tempered glass 
+
+Why don’t they just ditch it and make more tok guns?
+--- 58064551
+>>58064510
+Vanguard Black Fang, which is freely available, pierces armor BETTER than the restricted shit.
+--- 58064557
+>>58057129 (OP)
+Yeah, but it's the latest and greatest meme
+--- 58064875
+>>58057129 (OP)
+One of these issues by the International Wound Ballistics Association talks about the 5.7 out of the P90. Basically the terminal ballistics are inferior to a 9mm HP, even if the 5.7 bullet were to tumble all over the place. The only thing it's good at is penetrating soft body armor. If that's something you need, then it's a great round. If not, then it's a cool, but more expensive and less effective round, that will still stop anyone if you hit them in the right place.
+
+Also there should be questions based on these IWBA publications next to the captcha to allow anyone to post in caliber debates.
+https://thinlineweapons.com/IWBA/
+
+>captcha: VHAT2
+--- 58064915
+>>58057129 (OP)
+No.
+
+>Verification not required.
+--- 58067676
+>>58057129 (OP)
+I'm glad they made the rifle but wish it was like 2 pounds lighter and a takedown 
+
+Maybe PSA will do it compatable with their Rock
+--- 58067829
+I have all the 5.7 carbine that I need but I do appreciate the offer
+--- 58067873
+>brass jews charge twice the price as 556 for what is essentially a necked down variant that literally costs less to make

k/58057445.txt

@@ -85,3 +85,158 @@ Islam. It is a suicide and death cult. However their are Christian Palestinians
 >>58057445 (OP)
 >Why are the Palestinians so bad at war?
 Aside from Islam they are not particularly, they have certainly shown grim determination over enough time to demonstrate they are not going to roll over. Of course Iran and Syria are cancer in the region and the Baathists and pan arab nationalists always were.
+--- 58059711
+>>58057445 (OP)
+Arabs are not known to be bright.
+t. Iran Iraq War
+--- 58059726
+>>58059711
+>t. Iran Iraq War
+Ah the war that the Arabs won
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawakalna_ala_Allah_Operations
+--- 58059773
+>>58058555
+Israel offered Egypt and Jordan land in exchange for taking Palis and they rejected the deal.
+
+The Israelis gave all their Arabs full citizenship and voting rights in 1948. The Arab states forced them into squalid camps and denied them citizenship to keep the war alive.
+
+No Palestinian state was set to exist if the Arabs won in 1948, each party was going after its own land. The Jordanians and Israelis had back channel coordination to block Egypt out of land. The Arab losses were partly due to it being a rush for land where they opposed one another.
+
+The 800,000 Palis displaced in 1948 wee offset but the Arabs expelling all their Jews and seizing all their property. These were communities thousands of years old. Ironically, these Arab Jews would become the base of the Israeli far right that would be most against peace deals later.
+
+Palis killed the Jordanian king and tried a coup, then got citizenship out of the struggle. In Lebanon they kicked off a long civil war that day Syria and Israel intervene and fought against native Lebanese Sunnis, Shia, and Christians.
+
+In Egypt they have been deeply involved with an ongoing insurgency in the Sinai and so Egypt blockades Gaza more strictly than Israel.
+
+The Palis only real allies today are the Iranians, which makes them even less welcome for most Arabs. Hezbollah, a proxy of Iran, also gives aid, but Sunni aid, more important in that area, is pretty restricted. 
+
+They have been unable to motivate even small scale civil disobedience that would probably hurt Israel more than any rockets. They need to build up support from the West but they can't help gushing with praise any time someone shoots up a synagogue, even if they just kill children and seniors. 
+
+Death cult is somewhat right. They can't even try organized non-violent unrest because different groups are constantly trying to start violence to undermine each other. The WB has variously been in a cold war with Gaza's leadership too.
+--- 58059787
+>>58059773
+Now Israel is basically run by ultra Orthodox Jews who won't fight for their state but who demand it take maximalist positions that will lead to war. The far right is now trying to dismantle the one check on its power and essentially end the rule of law for its corrupt leader.
+
+The best bet for the Palis isn't their own efforts, which are shit, but Israel destroying itself by going full ultra right wing and destroying the liberal economy that makes it powerful.
+--- 58060802
+>>58057445 (OP)
+If you ever worked with or,dealt with Palestinians you would know that the fast majority are low IQ retards ( caused by generations of inbreeding)
+
+They are literally borderline retarded.
+--- 58060877
+>>58057445 (OP)
+--- 58060908
+>>58057491
+Then I realize that no, arabs are just desert subhumans
+--- 58060925
+>>58057445 (OP)
+>why are Palestinians so bad at war
+oh gee, I dunno. maybe it has something to do with the fact that the people oppressing them have been perfecting the craft of counter insurgency for the entirety of their country's existence are bankrolled by the richest and most powerful military force mankind has ever seen.
+--- 58061041
+It turns out kikes are really good at genocide and suppression. It’s almost like there’s a reason why everyone hates them.
+--- 58061102
+>>58057445 (OP)
+God wills it
+--- 58061344
+>>58057445 (OP)
+Allah is a zionist
+--- 58061348
+>>58058555
+>Middle East and even Egypt
+you talk as if Egypt is so much better than the rest of the arabs and as if it isnt another poorly run hypercorrupt backwater
+--- 58061602
+>>58060877
+>posts zigger immigrant
+
+Almost fell for it. Nobody has seen the average yenta, moishe kun. Nope. Not at all. Keep up the good work though it's funny.
+--- 58062087
+>>58057769
+Political strategy works against the US because Americans can just go home to America when they get tired/bored/fed up with an insurgency. The Jews can't go anywhere else so they fight to the end. That strategy doesn't work in this case.
+--- 58062578
+>>58057445 (OP)
+just look at iq you fucking mongoloid
+--- 58063052
+>>58057553
+...Their cause is built on their desire steal from others.
+--- 58063370
+Palestine is deliberately held back by all the surrounding Arab nations because it's more important that Palestinians remain permanent victims then actually definitively win or lose their cause. The Israelis can oppress, steal, murder and dehumanize the Palestinians all they want but as long as there's still Palestinians being oppressed then the surrounding Arab nations get to have a "legitimate" grievance with Israel that isn't purely religious chest beating. If the Arab world actually committed to helping the Palestinian people defend their territory and establish a legitimate independent state then they would be forced to co-exist with Israel afterwards on normal terms and the anti-jewish fervor of their populations would have no anti-Israel cause left except ill advised holy war that would get the Arabs nuked. So the Arabs consciously betray their "brothers" in Palestine so they can keep Israel as an enemy at arm's length for political posturing while never having to take decisive action.
+--- 58063409
+>>58057445 (OP)
+>surrounded by an enemy, Israel
+>constant surveillance by said enemy
+>have to rely on below the radar tactics
+>can't train a decent group of people without getting discovered and swarmed by jews
+Gee, I wonder why.
+--- 58063557
+>>58057491
+>>58060908
+But the Palestinians aren't even Arabs. They're non-Jewish Jews.
+--- 58063579
+They whipped the Soviets and the US so maybe sit down and lower your tone
+--- 58063629
+>>58057864
+every time they want to the sandniggers sperg out and threaten to bomb them
+--- 58063738
+>>58061041
+Lose less wars Ahmed
+--- 58063822
+>>58057445 (OP)
+The West Bank and Gaza are very small pieces of land. The West Bank gets smaller every year. Surveillance is up the ass and it's difficult to get weapons in. Why do you think a lot of Palestinians have resorted to stabbing attacks? Obtaining a firearm in the West Bank has been getting harder over the years.
+--- 58064041
+>>58060925
+Literally every Arab army that tried to destroy Israel was bankrolled by the Soviet Union. To quote Leonid Brezhnev on the Yom Kippur War:
+
+>We have offered them (the Arabs) a sensible way for so many years. But no, they wanted to fight. Fine! We gave them technology, the latest, the kind even Vietnam didn't have. They had double superiority in tanks and aircraft, triple in artillery, and in air defense and anti-tank weapons they had absolute supremacy. And what? Once again they were beaten. Once again they scrammed [sic]. Once again they screamed for us to come save them. Sadat woke me up in the middle of the night twice over the phone, "Save me!" He demanded to send Soviet troops, and immediately! No! We are not going to fight for them.
+
+If the Palestinians continuously losing was really solely due to the US supporting Israel, then they wouldn't have suffered such overwhelming defeats back when US aid to Israel was a fraction of what it is now.
+--- 58064065
+>>58064041
+how's the soviet union doing these days?
+--- 58064079
+why is this shlomo seething?
+--- 58064111
+>>58064065
+What's the Soviet Union not existing anymore have to do with my point dipshit? As Brezhnev said, the USSR gave less arms to North Vietnam than they did to the Arabs. North Vietnam still managed to win despite working with less. What's it say about Arab compentence if they receive more arms than North Vietnam, but still manage to lose to Israel?
+--- 58064184
+>>58057445 (OP)
+>their entire military doctrine revolves around having their own side killed so people feel sorry for them
+You answered your own question right here, anon.
+--- 58064917
+>>58063370
+informed, sensible
+rare on /k/
+--- 58064928
+>>58063557
+but raised as arabs so...
+
+read "Heart of Darkness"
+--- 58065477
+>>58063052
+based
+--- 58065493
+>>58064111
+>what is a defensive vs offensive war
+>what is terrain
+--- 58066671
+>>58064041
+Kek and people act like Israel was the one dependent on outside aid
+--- 58068290
+>>58057445 (OP)
+i guess you got to be able to eat before even thinking of waging war against another state
+--- 58069165
+>>58064928
+nah
+--- 58069403
+>>58068290
+israel babies the palestinians if anything
+--- 58069532
+>>58057445 (OP)
+Palestinians will win demographically because Israelis aren't breeding like the rest of the west
+--- 58069562
+>>58057445 (OP)
+They aren't just an Arab army. They are an Arab puppet militia of an Arab army.
+--- 58069575
+>>58057445 (OP)
+>arabs are shit at war and have been for a long time, even with good equipment and training
+>take good equipment and training away and put them up against a country with western tech and western levels of competence
+>they get btfo every time

k/58057595.txt

@@ -10,3 +10,48 @@ Nigger.
 --- 58058826
 >>58057595 (OP)
 They lost
+--- 58058963
+>>58058826
+Twice
+--- 58058999
+>>58057595 (OP)
+>doesn't know anything about them
+>calls them based
+--- 58059013
+They were based for sure. Most part of them were members of russian fascist party.
+--- 58059029
+>>58057595 (OP)
+Strange, the top two look like prajeets to me. They belong in this video
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBwrW9-QgPM [Embed]
+
+(Not a chang fuck the ccp and fuck Xi)
+--- 58059091
+>>58057595 (OP)
+a decent chunk of the white ended in the far east at the end of the russian civil war.
+Most of whom had no real trade to speak of but war.
+A lot of them became mercinaries for the various chinese warlords. They where held in high regards because these where pros that knew how to keep/use their equipment and not some farmers taken out of the much to handed some shitty rusty rifle.
+So when the japanese became more involved in china and manchuria they say the white russians that hate commies and scare the chinks and thought "hey we can use these guys". But they never really trusted them to actually fight against other russians so they where more rear area police/border gaurds.
+When the russians did invade manchuria they fared even worse than the rest of the japanese army there. Some got killed by the japanese afraid that they'd turn traitor. Those captured by the soviet well, they'd be better of getting killed by the japanese. Some did manage to make their way back to the ports/into china and survive the war. Problem being that the allies would have treated them just like any other "soviet national", hand them over to stalin and the kgb for very fun happy fun times under the lubianka.
+Do keep in mind that by WWII these where the sons of the whites that fought in the civil war.
+But yea those 4 men died and the lucky ones got killed by the people they thought they where going to fight for.
+--- 58060037
+>>58059091
+tldr chink
+--- 58067111
+>>58064088
+Whats this have to do with White Russians? 
+
+My vampire m1 carbine is much cooler by the way.;)
+--- 58067142
+>>58059013
+>russian fascist party
+not the brightest bunch unfortunately 
+>Konstantin Vladimirovich Rodzaevsky was the leader of the Russian Fascist Party, which he led in exile from Manchuria. 
+
+>At the end of the war, likely fearing reprisal during the Soviet invasion of Manchuria, Rodzaevsky claimed that Joseph Stalin's regime was evolving into a nationalist one. He surrendered to Soviet authorities in Harbin in 1945, with a letter that shows striking similarities with the doctrines of National Bolshevism:
+
+>I issued a call for an unknown leader, ... capable of overturning the Jewish government and creating a new Russia. I failed to see that, by the will of fate, of his own genius, and of millions of toilers, Comrade J.V. Stalin, the leader of the peoples, had become this unknown leader.
+
+>He returned to Russia, where he was promised freedom and a job in one of the Soviet newspapers. Instead, he was arrested upon arrival (along with fellow party-member Lev Okhotin).
+
+>Rodzaevsky was sentenced to death. Also sentenced to various punishments were Grigory Semyonov, Vasilevsky Lev Fillipovich, Baksheev Aleksei Proklovich, Lev Okhotin, Ukhtomsky and others. Rozaevsky was executed in a Lubyanka prison cellar on 30 August 1946.

k/58057834.txt

@@ -46,3 +46,112 @@ The fuck anon?
 --- 58058533
 >>58058202
 He was probably thinking of Liechtenstein
+--- 58059110
+>>58057972
+Not entirely sure what this has to do with his post.
+--- 58059809
+>>58057934
+See this shit has soul. Now imagine them with fucking olive middle east faggot paint and non-styer.
+
+Why didn't they replace with Lithgow styer the fucking bruces are using?
+--- 58059854
+>>58059809
+everyone in Europe is going 416
+--- 58060417
+>>58057834 (OP)
+>Luxembourg
+Literally who?
+--- 58060587
+what does a country hope to accomplish with less than 1000 personnel? you'd be better off just not having a military
+--- 58063342
+HKbros CANNOT stop winning
+>pic related list expanded once more
+--- 58064972
+>>58057898
+>adopted a FDE/coyote/babypoop tan rifle
+Yet to be confirmed. OP is the G95K used by German SF, based off the A7 variant. They're offered in a few colors, though, so we don't know what they went with until we have photos from Luxembourg.
+--- 58065010
+>>58057898
+Tell that to the Finns and their new sako rifle
+--- 58065100
+>>58057934
+Kek allmost 2% of their military in person. Probably 15% of their men under arms
+--- 58065175
+>>58057834 (OP)
+Why Luxembourg steal Finland M05 camo pattern?
+--- 58065181
+>>58057898
+>surrounded by Alpine mountains and woodlands
+--- 58065192
+>>58057834 (OP)
+i hate the ar15 so much bros
+--- 58065204
+>>58057867
+Bro there population is only 640000
+--- 58065217
+>>58057834 (OP)
+God I wish we would adopt the HK417 as the rumours were saying.
+--- 58065232
+H&K keeps winning
+/k/ keeps crying
+--- 58065278
+>>58057934
+SOVL
+>>58057834 (OP)
+Soulless
+--- 58065669
+>>58057834 (OP)
+This wouldnt look half bad with Black furniture
+--- 58066051
+>the year is 2033
+>Europe is consumed by war (again)
+>nobody can tell friend from foe because everyone is wearing Multicam and carrying an HK416
+--- 58066605
+>>58057847
+Soldiers lose again. Going straight from a perfectly balanced 20" gun to a front-heavy 14.5" or 16" that takes its magazine in a completely different location is gonna suck for Luxembourg's handful of riflemen.
+--- 58067331
+>>58059809
+>Why didn't they replace with Lithgow styer the fucking bruces are using?
+Because shitpups are dying, thank God.
+--- 58067368
+>>58057853
+>DI won the pisston wars
+--- 58067483
+>>58066051
+Not to shit up a non-Ukraine thread with Ukraine shit but that's kind of exactly what's happening in Ukraine and why everyone has brightly colored tape all over their shit.
+--- 58067549
+>>58066605
+Unironically this
+Considering the body armor boogeyman was enough to make the US adopt a 14 pound monstrosity of a new rifle system you'd think people would avoid short barrels.
+--- 58067699
+>>58065217
+The ones who actually do the fighting already did.
+--- 58067730
+>>58067549
+Infantry small arms are basically all interchangeable for the past 50 years. It literally doesn't matter.
+--- 58067830
+>>58067730
+>It literally doesn't matter.
+Yeah, so they might as well update to the current version of the AUG and not have to retrain all five of their guys on a completely different gun
+--- 58067857
+>>58066605
+>>58067549
+>>58067830
+Delicious delicious shitpupper cope. Face it, your meme raifus are on their way out and there's not a single thing you can do or say to change it.
+--- 58067887
+>>58067857
+Really? And here I thought screeching autistically on basket weaving forums would influence the decisions of militaries oceans away
+--- 58067992
+>>58067887
+Acceptance is good, you'll get over it in time, shitpupper.
+--- 58068122
+>>58067368
+I'm not the one posting soijack. Look in the mirror m8
+ lol
+--- 58068854
+>>58067699
+>HK417
+--- 58069793
+>>58065181
+>>58058533
+tan rifles are still gay

k/58058920.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,163 @@
+-----
+--- 58058920
+Just woke up drenched in sweat and heart pounding, not the usual 1000lbs trigger but instead
+>Out plinkin' and drinkin' with AR until im out of ammo for some reason
+>Walk back to cabin
+>Notice I get stalked by giant bear
+>Ohshit 
+>Run back to cabin
+>I shout but it gets angrier and breaks the window
+>Magdump 17 rounds of 9mm into it
+>Barely reacts but leaves
+>FFW to night
+>Its back and breaking down my door
+>For some reason didnt reaload mag so fumble to get it loaded
+>Manage last second and dump another 17 into its head while it fucks up my legs
+
+G-guys i know its retarded but is there any videos of 9mm vs bears?
+Also general /k/ dreams
+--- 58058955
+but I though /k/ loved the fed
+--- 58059009
+>>58058955
+CIA are spooks.
+--- 58059846
+>>58058920 (OP)
+>Also general /k/ dreams
+I had a dream once that I was at an old fashion mansion wearing a traditional maid uniform, and there was a problem with birds wrecking the gardens so I got to go out and blast them with one of those 9mm flobert shotguns.
+--- 58060048
+I dreamt that I was in a decaying Palestinian neighborhood heisting rice and pasta that rapidly changed colors when boiled while the IDF were clearing the streets. Idk if that counts as /k/ related.
+--- 58060084
+>>58058920 (OP)
+Had a strange one last night:
+>accidentally take buddies 1911 and leave my FN at his place
+>realize it when I go to my haircut woman to get advice for working on my truck and cutting my slide for a sight
+>go to return it and get my carry back
+>find him running track with a bunch of high schoolers while open carrying a DE
+It was fuckin weird and I never got my FN back either
+--- 58061536
+>checking mail
+>find this in a box and an ominous letter
+>someone I argued with online found my address
+>letter reads that there are bed bugs, termites, fire ants, devil worms, and all manner of parasite inside
+>my instinct is to burn it outside
+>but curiosity prevails and I open the lid
+>get swarmed by everything mentioned
+>plastic jar was also "lined" with sulfuric acid
+>reacts on my palm and spreads to my forearm
+>wakeup
+
+>>58059846
+Did you have to slap anyone and call them a baka or hentai as well?
+--- 58065465
+>>58058955
+are you new or something?
+--- 58065566
+>>58058920 (OP)
+> be me, Warwick Davis
+> wake up in a cabin in Alaska
+> hear the sound of an idling Mark IV tank outside my window
+> grab the M24 bundle grenade from my footlocker at the end of my bed
+> it looks like a baseball bat in my hands
+> sprint to kitchen and hide in icebox
+> Mark IV fires main cannon
+> cabin explodes, catapulting me and the lead-lined appliance onto the banks of a lake
+> I roll out of the freezer and begin running across the frozen surface
+> I turn briefly to hurl the grenade back towards the Mark IV
+> It is maneuvering itself to aim in my direction
+> the grenade sails through the air
+> just as the Mark IV aligns its turret with my speedy and miniscule profile, it fires its main cannon again
+> I can't tell if it was the shell from the tank or the impact from the bundle grenade
+> All I know is that it was the last thing I heard
+--- 58065607
+>>58058920 (OP)
+The last panel should show multiple shooters with LMGs.
+--- 58066289
+>>58058920 (OP)
+Happened a couple nights ago.
+>be me, autistic
+>even in my dreams
+>autismspeaks.jpeg
+>walking innawoods with my dogs
+>SxS shotgun over my arm, 44 snubby on hip
+>see movement up ahead on the trail
+>gigantic fucking cat
+>like full on male lion on the rise of the land, roaring
+>dogs flip the fuck out
+>lion flips the fuck out at barking
+>I try to call them back but they charge at the lion
+>lion swats the first one and crumples it, bites the second one on the back
+>so real I was in tears when I woke
+>fire first barrel of shotgun, birdshot pattering leaves around the cat
+>lion charges 
+>fire second barrel knowing the 8 shot won't do fuck all
+>contemplate reloading SxS but only have birdshot
+>draw snub revolver
+>my hand doesn't work at all in the dream, can't pull trigger
+>lions bearing down on me, know I'm done for
+>open the door, get on the floor
+>everybody walk the dinosaur
+--- 58066822
+>>58058920 (OP)
+Russian video of cops shooting 9mm at a bear 
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM2ifggeH0Q&list=WL&index=28 [Embed]
+--- 58067836
+>>58058955
+--- 58067849
+That zombie thread gave me my first zombie dream in about a decade
+
+>be fighting zombies
+>realize I have an AR
+>just start picking them off with headshots at a rate of about one a second
+>crowd of them absolutely melting
+>"holy shit why doesn't everybody just do this"
+--- 58067891
+>>58058920 (OP)
+>i'm in a kriegsmarine sub-pen circa late 1942
+>can see the snow falling outside
+>about to leave on a patrol in the north atlantic as 2nd officer on a type 7
+>fucking chimpanzees rush in and start throwing barrels at the sub
+>get so angry my cock bursts out of my pants
+>scream at the gorillas "could you mind the submarine, please, thank you!"
+>they retreat in shame
+--- 58068878
+>>58066289
+kek got me
+--- 58068958
+>>58058920 (OP)
+>9mm vs bears
+it surprisingly works fine as long as you load ball, although a hottish and heavy hardcast like 147gr +p underwood or buffalo bore is preferable. Its worth noting that in independent testing such loads penetrate more than anything other than 10mm hot and heavy hardcasts due to their moderate velocity, high SD, and moderate meplat size making them better penetrators than .40 and .45.
+https://www.ammoland.com/2022/04/update-of-pistol-defenses-against-bears-123-cases-98-effective/
+--- 58069053
+>>58058920 (OP)
+Dream of the Enfield: wielder is a hero in the North African campaign but when he grows old is put in a nursing home where he feels like a prisoner, surrounded by monsters 
+
+Eventually there is no way to go but to die. His soul leaves his body and ascends to the astral where for a moment he sees the future, his future lives and passes in peace
+--- 58069117
+>be me, random wanderer through this series of rooms that looks like a combination of MGS1's end game hangar rooms and Silent Hill
+>cold, damp, spooky
+>hands are disembodied like a VR game
+>feels like I'm playing a VR game
+>I have never played a VR game
+>walking around with my beretta, scavenging boxes of ammo and trying to find my way through this place
+>turn a corner
+>BAM, POLAR BEAR
+>raise and shoot
+>thousand pound trigger pull
+>fuck fuck fuck
+>polar bear bites my hand
+>feels like when a dog bites your hand when it plays too rough
+>don't even drop the gun
+>owquitit.jpg
+>finally get hand free, get my other index finger on the trigger to shoot with both fingers
+>trigger snaps back multiple times, gun is empty
+>yougottabefuckingkidding.png
+>run away, hand heals itself because lol dream
+>wake up with a hangover
+Gotta love drunk dreams.
+--- 58069164
+>>58067849
+Comfy action dreams are the best. It's like a movie you star in and doesn't have to make sense.
+
+>>58067891
+Poor guys were just practicing for the Donkey Kong casting call. You didn't have to be so rude.

k/58059154.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,84 @@
+-----
+--- 58059165
+>>58059154 (OP)
+Who the fuck turned my power point presentator into a gun?
+--- 58059197
+>>58059165
+do you not know about the Polish fire arm?
+--- 58059255
+>>58059197
+I am aware I just wanted to make the damn joke!
+--- 58059288
+I'd prefer if the top light/laser rail was straight instead of having that slope. Always have wondered why manufacturers haven't done that before many guns could use that so top mounted devices would not interfere with low mounted optics.
+--- 58059316
+>>58059288
+Because no one cared until GBRS made it popular. Hunters were already using uppers like RRA EOP and many others lost to time for prone shooting plus clearing IR lasers
+--- 58059563
+>>58059165
+He's trying to branch out into new content and realized instead of covering the war he should take an active role in participating
+--- 58059579
+>>58059255
+guess I will just have to make a power point about how the economy of 4chan is not going to make it and /k/ is spending too much per capita on guns and weapons. it will be very dull and boring but will cause any statistician anywhere to cream themselves.
+
+>:p
+--- 58059587
+>>58059154 (OP)
+I'm thinking about those Beans
+--- 58059595
+>>58059563
+>he is going to use his aussie powers to bull pup every rifle.
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6-57XCH6Vo [Embed]
+
+anyone want to try to make some lyrics I think this fits well.
+--- 58062589
+>>58059154 (OP)
+Shame they have to chop a regular AR lower buffer tube thing off
+--- 58063300
+>>58059154 (OP)
+le bump
+--- 58063357
+>>58062589
+>have to chop a regular AR lower buffer tube thing off
+Depending on how well this thing works long-term, that's a feature, not a bug. That's one of the weak points on 3D printed/polymer lowers and, because you can now put a folding stock on it without needing to drop 250 on a LAW tactical folder, it becomes easier to transport.
+Because of the NFGAY, you could also get this as a "pistol" 
+Plus, I guess there are people who unironically want to be able to mag dump with the stock folded
+--- 58063504
+I almost want to buy one of their builders kits then modify a custom engraved lower with this engraved.
+--- 58063647
+Looks like a botched copy of a b&t
+--- 58064695
+Still not sure how making a piston driven gun that also dumps excess gas into the receiver is an improvement...
+--- 58065859
+>>58064695
+Just losing the fucking retarded rear charging handle is a win.
+--- 58069090
+>>58059154 (OP)
+I know nothing about this rifle. Why the fuck is there two tiers of rails?
+--- 58069156
+>>58059154 (OP)
+Pic related is also DI and shares a ton of AR parts.
+--- 58069172
+>>58059197
+I thought it was Slovenian
+--- 58069185
+>>58059587
+same
+--- 58069602
+>>58069090
+One is the handguard, one is separate top rail, the point being you can mix and match different lengths of each, I guess. Advantage? I don't know, the SCAR is a bit chunky to c-clamp, but if it had an AR-sized handguard to hold onto that sort of fixes that.
+>>58069172
+He's memeing, lurk more.
+>>58069156
+Is that a built-in cope lever?
+--- 58069610
+>>58069602
+Just a handguard quick disconnect cam lever.
+--- 58070477
+>>58069156
+image search didnt return anything, qrd pls
+--- 58070492
+>>58070477
+>knows how to reverse image search
+>doesnt know how to read the side of the gun
+Smarter tech really does make dumber users