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[14:34] <ashams> thelinuxer, dude, we need them to agree on membership method before talking about procedures, right? |
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[14:34] <ashams> :D |
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[14:47] <thelinuxer> ashams: methods and procedures are synonyms :D |
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[14:52] <thelinuxer> ashams: you can add any subtopics you see appropriate to clarify it .. |
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[14:57] <thelinuxer> hi mgamal |
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[14:57] <thelinuxer> :) |
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[14:57] <mgamal> hi |
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[14:58] <ashams> thelinuxer, I meant the whole *membership* idea aslan :D |
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[14:58] <ashams> mgamal, hiiiiiiiiiiii |
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[14:58] <mgamal> hi guys |
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[14:58] <ashams> mgamal, hi :) |
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[14:59] <mgamal> hi ashams |
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[14:59] <ashams> thelinuxer, hi |
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[14:59] <ashams> mgamal, hi |
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[14:59] <mgamal> hi |
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[14:59] <ashams> hell, hi |
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[14:59] <ashams> stop saying hi, so I won't reply hi |
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[14:59] <ashams> :P |
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[14:59] <thelinuxer> ashams: this was the main idea behind having a non-elected council! |
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[15:00] <thelinuxer> to put some standards and start accepting members |
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[15:00] <thelinuxer> who will have voting rights |
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[15:00] <ashams> thelinuxer, man, I can't understand you these days :P |
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[15:00] <thelinuxer> y r we talking in loops ?! we have been having this conversation for almost a year now! |
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[15:01] <thelinuxer> a year a whole year!!!! |
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[15:01] <ashams> thelinuxer, hi |
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[15:01] <ashams> meetingology, hi |
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[15:01] <thelinuxer> ashams: i won't hi u back :P |
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[15:01] <meetingology> ashams: Error: "hi" is not a valid command. |
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[15:01] <thelinuxer> lol |
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[15:01] <ashams> thelinuxer, lol |
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[15:01] <ashams> hahahahaha |
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[15:01] <thelinuxer> i will jon an wazery |
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[15:02] <thelinuxer> will call* |
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[15:02] <ashams> Y? |
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[15:02] <thelinuxer> shouldn't they be here by now ? |
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[15:02] <ashams> ba7eb a3mel feha 3abeeet awiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii :P |
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[15:03] <thelinuxer> wazery has ubuntu related problems :D he should be here in 2 mins |
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[15:04] <thelinuxer> jonathan should be here in 5 |
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[15:04] <thelinuxer> mgamal: y don't u familiarize yourself with meetingology since u gonna be the meeting chair |
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[15:04] <mgamal> how does it work? |
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[15:04] <ashams> 5 points, maybe mins, maybe hours, maybe days, maybe weeks, maybe years |
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[15:04] <thelinuxer> just send it msgs |
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[15:05] <thelinuxer> for instance i will try to make u chair |
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[15:05] <thelinuxer> meetingology: #chair mgamal |
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[15:05] <meetingology> thelinuxer: Error: "#chair" is not a valid command. |
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[15:05] <ashams> non, he should startmeeting by himself |
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[15:05] <thelinuxer> there is a chair command! |
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[15:06] <thelinuxer> i saw it in the wiki page! |
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[15:06] <thelinuxer> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology |
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[15:06] <ashams> I assume it's to chane or set chair |
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[15:06] <ashams> after starting meeting |
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[15:07] <thelinuxer> mashy |
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[15:07] <thelinuxer> mgamal: you should use "startmeeting" when the time comes :D |
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[15:07] <thelinuxer> then "topic" and "subtopic" ..etc |
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[15:07] <jonathanhindi> I am here now |
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[15:07] <jonathanhindi> sorry for being late |
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[15:07] <mgamal> waiting for wazery |
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[15:07] <thelinuxer> wazery should be here sooon |
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[15:08] <jonathanhindi> Can you send me the agenda ? |
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[15:08] <thelinuxer> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EgyptTeam/Meetings/Agendas/2012-02-10 |
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[15:08] <ashams> jonathanhindi, hi (he don't know what I'm going to do next) |
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[15:09] <thelinuxer> lool |
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[15:09] <mgamal> ashams, can u handle all those meetingology stuff? |
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[15:09] <jonathanhindi> ashams: 7asies bi ma2lab gai :D |
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[15:09] <ashams> mgamal, noooooooooo |
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[15:09] <ashams> jonathanhindi, hi |
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[15:09] <thelinuxer> ashams: just logistical stuff ... we would only need a link to the meetingology minutes page |
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[15:09] <thelinuxer> no need for "present" section ..etc |
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[15:10] <thelinuxer> mgamal: we will all learn together :D |
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[15:10] <ashams> ok, I think we should forget about that bot this time |
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[15:10] <ashams> ok, let's learn |
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[15:10] <jonathanhindi> why i feel that i am not understanding anything now ! |
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[15:10] <ashams> coz you didn't reply the hi |
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[15:10] <thelinuxer> jonathanhindi: we have a meeting bot |
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[15:10] <mgamal> jonathanhindi: lighten up, we haven't started yet |
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[15:10] <ashams> reply and I'll tell you :P |
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[15:10] <thelinuxer> ashams: lol stop it |
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[15:10] <jonathanhindi> hi |
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[15:11] <ashams> thelinuxer, ok, mr op :( |
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[15:11] <thelinuxer> jonathanhindi: hi |
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[15:11] <ashams> yyyaaaaay |
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[15:11] <ashams> jonathanhindi, hi |
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[15:11] <jonathanhindi> ashams: hi |
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[15:11] <thelinuxer> ashams: hi |
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[15:11] <ashams> oh nooooooooooo |
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[15:11] <ashams> jonathanhindi, thelinuxer hi |
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[15:11] <thelinuxer> thelinuxer: hi :P |
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[15:11] <jonathanhindi> ana zh2t :D |
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[15:11] <ashams> hahaha |
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[15:11] <thelinuxer> tab i will call wazery tany |
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[15:13] <ashams> ya3am 2ollo yenazzel windows wi yerayya7 dema3'ooo |
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[15:13] <thelinuxer> wazery lost his home (folder of course) |
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[15:13] <ashams> good start |
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[15:13] <mgamal> whoa! |
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[15:13] <mgamal> I am using Window$ btw |
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[15:13] <thelinuxer> he will join us from a live cd session |
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[15:14] <thelinuxer> cool here he is |
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[15:14] <mgamal> my wireless is screwed on oneiric |
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[15:14] <thelinuxer> hi wazery |
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[15:14] <wazery> sorry guys :( |
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[15:14] <wazery> hi thelinuxer |
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[15:14] <mgamal> hi wazery |
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[15:14] <ashams> mgamal, shame on you |
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[15:14] <ashams> wazery, hi |
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[15:14] <wazery> hi mgamal |
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[15:14] <thelinuxer> mgamal: start the meeting? |
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[15:14] <ashams> mwahahhaaha |
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[15:14] <wazery> hi ashams |
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[15:14] <ashams> wazery, hi |
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[15:14] <mgamal> guys let's start |
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[15:15] <ashams> ok |
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[15:15] <mgamal> ashams: what's the first topic on our list? |
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[15:15] <thelinuxer> who will be handling meetingology ? |
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[15:15] <ashams> crap |
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[15:15] <ashams> #startmeeting |
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[15:15] <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Feb 10 15:15:45 2012 UTC. The chair is ashams. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. |
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[15:15] <meetingology> Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired |
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[15:15] <ashams> #chair mgamal |
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[15:16] <meetingology> Current chairs: ashams mgamal |
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[15:16] <ashams> #topic council meeting II |
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[15:16] <ashams> now what? |
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[15:17] <mgamal> what's the discussion point now? |
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[15:17] <thelinuxer> proceed with the agenda |
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[15:17] <ashams> #startmeeting council meeting 2 |
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[15:17] <meetingology> ashams: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. |
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[15:17] <ashams> #meetingtopic Council Meeting 2 |
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[15:18] <jonathanhindi> i have to go 4 15 mins |
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[15:18] <ashams> ok, let's pass |
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[15:18] <mgamal> ok |
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[15:18] <mgamal> what's the first topic on our agenda? |
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[15:18] <ashams> How can ppl join Council? |
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[15:19] <thelinuxer> #endmeeting |
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[15:19] <ashams> we have membership method suggested for joining and voting |
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[15:19] <mgamal> didn't we say elections are held on october and april? |
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[15:19] <ashams> yes, but who can be nominated |
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[15:19] <mgamal> and what's the method? |
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[15:19] <ashams> mgamal, membership |
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[15:19] <mgamal> great |
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[15:20] <mgamal> the question is, how can one be a member? |
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[15:20] <ashams> that's to make a somewhat threshold so one person won't get some of his friends to vote for him |
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[15:20] <mgamal> ok |
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[15:21] <mgamal> now membership will be approved by the councik |
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[15:21] <mgamal> *council |
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[15:21] <mgamal> but who can apply to begin with? |
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[15:21] <ashams> it was suggested that 6months of contribution is enough |
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[15:21] <mgamal> cool |
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[15:21] <mgamal> now this opnes another question |
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[15:21] <mgamal> on FGs |
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[15:21] <ashams> yes |
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[15:21] <mgamal> should the contribution be actually through the FGs? |
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[15:22] <ashams> I guess yes |
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[15:22] <mgamal> if we go far an open model, then people join the FGs as they desire |
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[15:22] <ashams> mgamal, not all fgs |
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[15:22] <mgamal> once they contribute for 6 months, they are eligible for membership |
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[15:22] <mgamal> if we go for a closed model |
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[15:22] <ashams> fgs need to be somehow not fully open |
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[15:22] <ashams> so we keep quality |
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[15:22] <mgamal> then people join FGs if and only if they are laready members |
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[15:22] <mgamal> *already |
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[15:23] <ashams> members of the parent team, right? |
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[15:24] <mgamal> what parent team? |
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[15:24] <ashams> I mean ~ubuntu-eg |
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[15:24] <ashams> pad.lv/~ubuntu-eg |
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[15:25] <thelinuxer> ashams: I am sorry but isn't this a bit confusing ? |
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[15:25] <ashams> yes |
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[15:26] <thelinuxer> i am gonna follow ur train of thought, how can one be a member of ubuntu-eg (the parent team)? |
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[15:26] <mgamal> nice one, thelinuxer |
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[15:26] <mgamal> :) |
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[15:26] <ashams> I mean, mgamal means members of ~ubuntut-eg which is fully open or members of "ubuntu-eg members" which is not fully open |
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[15:26] <thelinuxer> ashams: fine .. |
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[15:26] <ashams> coool |
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[15:26] <thelinuxer> i have a point to say about FGs |
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[15:26] <ashams> it's not a long train though |
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[15:26] <mgamal> no, members of FGs |
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[15:26] <ashams> shooot me |
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[15:27] <ashams> mgamal, that's good |
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[15:27] <thelinuxer> we discussed the option of having core FGs and completely open FGs |
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[15:27] <ashams> yes |
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[15:27] <thelinuxer> core are close and related to the day to day operations and event like graphics or web teams for instance |
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[15:28] <thelinuxer> while other FGs can be useful and everything but not as essential like a dev team (not that dev is not important ..) just an example |
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[15:28] <ashams> so if any one is a member of a core fg, s/he can be nominated, right? |
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[15:28] <mgamal> yes |
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[15:28] <thelinuxer> mgamal: i guess the 6 month rule should be followed |
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[15:28] <mgamal> and members of open fgs can be nominated if they contribute for 6 months :) |
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[15:29] <thelinuxer> joining the FG means he was accepted by the FG leader, we can think he's on probation |
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[15:29] <mgamal> I have a different model in mind |
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[15:29] <ashams> mgamal, go |
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[15:29] <thelinuxer> or he could become a member if he got a recommendation from the FGs members/leaders |
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[15:29] <thelinuxer> mgamal: shoot |
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[15:29] <mgamal> look guys |
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[15:29] <mgamal> I hate too much hirearchy |
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[15:29] <ashams> we can't look, it's irc |
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[15:30] <mgamal> I want to keep it as flat and open as much as possible |
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[15:30] <mgamal> don't want to have too many "elites" in the group and os |
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[15:30] <mgamal> *so |
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[15:30] <mgamal> it's against open source principles |
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[15:30] <mgamal> so anyway |
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[15:30] <mgamal> my idea is that FGs are open |
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[15:30] <ashams> good point |
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[15:30] <ashams> but quality |
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[15:31] <ashams> we can't give ppl a very bad support for ex. |
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[15:31] <mgamal> there are no quality concerns in FGs |
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[15:31] <mgamal> it's all natural selection |
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[15:31] <ashams> what about support fg? |
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[15:31] <mgamal> in other words |
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[15:31] <mgamal> Ubuntu-eg is a collective of all FGs |
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[15:31] <mgamal> anyway |
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[15:31] <mgamal> you contribute to FGs |
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[15:31] <mgamal> for 6 months |
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[15:31] <mgamal> once you do so |
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[15:32] <mgamal> and are approved by FG leader/community |
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[15:32] <mgamal> you can apply for membership |
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[15:32] <ashams> why membership ba2a? |
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[15:32] <wazery> ashams: I think the quality is the responsibility of the leader of the fg |
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[15:32] <ashams> we can make it just get nominated |
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[15:32] <ashams> wazery, good point |
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[15:32] <thelinuxer> mgamal: fine by me .. as a membership process, types of FGs and their responsibilities should be discussed separately |
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[15:33] <jonathanhindi> am back |
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[15:33] <thelinuxer> wb |
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[15:33] <jonathanhindi> thelinuxer: thanks |
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[15:33] <mgamal> cool |
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[15:33] <ashams> mgamal, if we're doing all of this, why we put "membership" in their way |
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[15:34] <mgamal> don't get you ashams |
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[15:34] <thelinuxer> ashams: it's not in their way, it's not blocking them from doing anything .. |
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[15:34] <ashams> I think if one spent 6m in any core fg, he can get nominated for council |
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[15:34] <ashams> why we put them somewhere else while they'll be in their place with their record on that fg |
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[15:35] <ashams> recomendation from fg leader will be received anyway, who would say no? |
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[15:35] <ashams> recommendation* |
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[15:36] <ashams> mgamal, is it clear now? |
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[15:36] <thelinuxer> ashams: a side point but we will need a list of emails for the voting process, so we will need to collect those who has voting rights somewhere ... |
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[15:36] <mgamal> not really |
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[15:36] <ashams> thelinuxer, I'm talking about nomination only for now |
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[15:37] <thelinuxer> mgamal: were u replying to him or me ? |
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[15:37] <mgamal> to ashams |
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[15:37] <thelinuxer> ashams: it's the same for me, any member can nominate himself |
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[15:37] <ashams> any member of what? |
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[15:38] <thelinuxer> any members who passed the membership process with status approved |
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[15:38] <ashams> guys, you keep "member" while we have a lot of memberships in here... |
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[15:38] <mgamal> guys |
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[15:38] <mgamal> let me clarify my idea |
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[15:38] <ashams> plz |
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[15:38] <mgamal> ignore core FGs for a moment |
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[15:38] <jonathanhindi> guys, ana etl5bat, you are discussing the membership of fg ? |
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[15:38] <mgamal> yes |
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[15:39] <mgamal> and this will lead us to ubuntu-eg mebership |
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[15:39] <mgamal> and thus to council |
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[15:39] <mgamal> for open FGs |
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[15:39] <ashams> ah |
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[15:39] <mgamal> anyone joins |
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[15:39] <mgamal> contributes 6 months |
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[15:39] <mgamal> and is eligible to apply for membership |
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[15:39] <mgamal> if their quality is bad |
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[15:40] <mgamal> we simply would filter them out and not vote them for membership |
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[15:40] <mgamal> for core FGs |
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[15:40] <jonathanhindi> mgamal: +! |
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[15:40] <mgamal> we don't need to follow this procedures |
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[15:40] <thelinuxer> mgamal: +1 |
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[15:40] <jonathanhindi> mgamal: +1* |
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[15:40] <mgamal> because membership is already closed, and only good members are allowed in |
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[15:41] <mgamal> so being a member of a core FG means you can automatically apply for Ubuntu-eg membership |
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[15:41] <mgamal> Ubuntu-eg membership is to be approved by the council |
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[15:41] <mgamal> that's all |
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[15:41] <mgamal> who agrees? |
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[15:41] <ashams> how can we measure quality then? and who are we in "we simply would filter them out and not vote them for membership" |
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[15:42] <ashams> ? |
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[15:43] <mgamal> the council |
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[15:43] <ashams> +0 |
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[15:43] <thelinuxer> are we voting now ? |
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[15:44] <thelinuxer> ashams: can u start a vote ? |
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[15:44] <ashams> #vote 6m at fg > membership |
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[15:44] <meetingology> Please vote on: 6m at fg > membership |
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[15:44] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) |
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[15:44] <mgamal> +1 |
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[15:44] <meetingology> +1 received from mgamal |
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[15:44] <ashams> +0 |
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[15:44] <meetingology> +0 received from ashams |
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[15:44] <wazery> +1 |
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[15:44] <meetingology> +1 received from wazery |
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[15:44] <jonathanhindi> +1 |
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[15:44] <meetingology> +1 received from jonathanhindi |
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[15:45] <thelinuxer> ashams: close vote |
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[15:45] <ashams> #endvote |
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[15:45] <meetingology> Voting ended on: 6m at fg > membership |
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[15:45] <meetingology> Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 |
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[15:45] <meetingology> Motion carried |
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[15:45] <ashams> coool |
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[15:46] <mgamal> now, which are the core FGs and what are open ones? |
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[15:46] <ashams> mgamal, I think all fgs we agreed upon are core? |
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[15:46] <mgamal> really? |
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[15:47] <ashams> I guess so |
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[15:47] <mgamal> can you remind me which were which? |
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[15:47] <jonathanhindi> mgamal: till now we said that we will start with the core fg |
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[15:47] <mgamal> hmmm |
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[15:47] <mgamal> I guess we can discuss this division offline, but let's move on |
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[15:47] <ashams> mgamal, ok, grabbing them |
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[15:48] <ashams> PR: Marketing + Social Media + Spokespersons? |
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[15:48] <ashams> from last meeting |
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[15:48] <ashams> #subtopic PR: Marketing + Social Media + Spokespersons? |
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[15:49] <mgamal> fine by me |
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[15:49] <mgamal> any concerns? |
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[15:49] <ashams> jonathanhindi, objected having sp inside PR |
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[15:49] <ashams> it's irrelevant |
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[15:49] <jonathanhindi> yes |
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[15:49] <ashams> can we kick it out? |
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[15:50] <ashams> vote? |
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[15:50] <jonathanhindi> ashams: can't understand you? |
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[15:50] <ashams> sorry, should we collect votes on this issue? |
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[15:50] <thelinuxer> we would also need a group for inter-teams affairs :D like with other Arabic teams for instance |
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[15:51] <ashams> movin spokespersons outside pr |
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[15:51] <ashams> thelinuxer, that would be community |
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[15:51] <jonathanhindi> ashams: movin spokespersons outiside marketing |
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[15:51] <jonathanhindi> ** |
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[15:51] <ashams> outside PR |
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[15:52] <jonathanhindi> ashams: please name it marketing |
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[15:52] <ashams> it's not my name, after all |
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[15:52] <ashams> you suggest to change PR to marketin and kick SP outside it? |
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[15:53] <ashams> marketing* |
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[15:53] <jonathanhindi> yes |
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[15:53] <ashams> what you think guys? |
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[15:54] <ashams> mgamal, current FGs are: A)Support |
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[15:54] <ashams> B)Sponsors |
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[15:54] <ashams> C)PR: Marketing + Social Media + Spokespersons |
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[15:54] <ashams> D)Moderators |
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[15:54] <ashams> E)Website Maintainers |
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[15:54] <thelinuxer> i really don't have a say in this technically they are different |
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[15:54] <ashams> F)Bankers |
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[15:54] <mgamal> thelinuxer |
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[15:54] <mgamal> please weigh in |
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[15:54] <thelinuxer> weigh in what ? |
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[15:55] <mgamal> say why you think they're different |
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[15:55] <jonathanhindi> thelinuxer: technically they are different social media is a part of marketing but pr is a different field |
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[15:56] <thelinuxer> jonathanhindi: yes exactly what i mean |
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[15:56] <mgamal> cool |
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[15:56] <thelinuxer> for instance the PR should be the one dealing with ArabNet |
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[15:56] <mgamal> we should make them separate then |
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[15:56] <jonathanhindi> bezabt :D |
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[15:56] <thelinuxer> while the marketing team should be trying to increase our followers with any means necessary |
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[15:56] <jonathanhindi> thelinuxer: 3lik nour :) |
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[15:57] <ashams> so, Marketing, PR and SP.... |
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[15:57] <mgamal> I agree to this |
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[15:57] <ashams> any objection before collecting vottes? |
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[15:58] <mgamal> no |
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[15:58] <jonathanhindi> ashams: i think sp should be under the pr because it is very related but 3ashan el remote areas we should make it different |
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[15:58] <thelinuxer> jonathanhindi: i disagree ... |
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[15:58] <jonathanhindi> i am just confusing my self. |
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[15:58] <thelinuxer> it depends on what a spokes person means |
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[15:59] <thelinuxer> is he someone who can represent the team in events by giving lectures ? |
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[15:59] <thelinuxer> or is he someone who would get us sponsorship deals ? |
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[15:59] <ashams> thelinuxer, a representative while no council members in area |
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[16:00] <thelinuxer> representation for what ? |
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[16:00] <ashams> that simple |
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[16:00] <ashams> representative of the team |
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[16:00] <thelinuxer> any approved members should be a representative of the team in general |
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[16:01] <ashams> good point |
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[16:01] <thelinuxer> if they are a team they should have specific responsibilities |
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[16:01] <jonathanhindi> thelinuxer: yes i am with you in this point, Ubuntu-eg member is ubuntu-eg ambassador anywhere any time |
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[16:03] <thelinuxer> i guess we don't really have a definition for SP team, so we should cancel it all together .. |
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[16:03] <ashams> cool, let's do it for now |
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[16:03] <jonathanhindi> thelinuxer: +1 to cancel the sp team |
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[16:04] <ashams> #vote Marketing + PR (No SP) |
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[16:04] <meetingology> Please vote on: Marketing + PR (No SP) |
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[16:04] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) |
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[16:04] <jonathanhindi> but any Ubuntu-Eg Approved member is an Ubuntu-Eg ambassador |
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[16:04] <jonathanhindi> +1 |
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[16:04] <meetingology> +1 received from jonathanhindi |
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[16:04] <wazery> +0 |
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[16:04] <meetingology> +0 received from wazery |
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[16:04] <thelinuxer> jonathanhindi: we can write this in the membership page ... |
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[16:05] <mgamal> +0 |
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[16:05] <meetingology> +0 received from mgamal |
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[16:05] <ashams> heh |
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[16:05] <ashams> -1 |
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[16:05] <meetingology> -1 received from ashams |
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[16:05] <ashams> #endvote |
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[16:05] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Marketing + PR (No SP) |
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[16:05] <meetingology> Votes for:1 Votes against:1 Abstentions:2 |
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[16:05] <meetingology> Deadlock, casting vote may be used |
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[16:05] <thelinuxer> i will be the tie breaking, cool ? |
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[16:05] <mgamal> agree |
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[16:05] <jonathanhindi> hehe :) |
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[16:06] <ashams> now what? |
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[16:06] <thelinuxer> ok np let the record show my big +1 :D |
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[16:06] <jonathanhindi> niah :_ |
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[16:06] <thelinuxer> ashams: next item in the agenda ... |
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[16:07] <thelinuxer> on* |
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[16:07] <ashams> Guys, plz say why you gave +0 and what are your suggestions? |
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[16:08] <ashams> thelinuxer, "on" istead of "in", comment: ya wad ya daqeeeq... |
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[16:08] <thelinuxer> :) |
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[16:08] <ashams> guys we didn't settle to anything thing in this regard so far..... |
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[16:08] <thelinuxer> no we did |
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[16:08] <ashams> what? |
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[16:08] <thelinuxer> if i would be the tie breaking vote |
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[16:09] <wazery> I have no suggestions about the sp :), I leave it for you guys |
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[16:09] <thelinuxer> i voted +1 |
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[16:09] <ashams> thelinuxer, that would be 2/5 |
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[16:09] <ashams> i gave -1 |
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[16:09] <thelinuxer> so the whole score is +1 |
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[16:09] <mgamal> same as wazery |
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[16:10] <thelinuxer> ashams: i don't really understand what r voting against ? what other structure you would like ? |
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[16:10] <thelinuxer> would you* :P |
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[16:11] <ashams> how would teams with no experienced persons make their way through |
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[16:11] <ashams> they will need a lnamed leader |
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[16:11] <ashams> to move the wheel |
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[16:11] <ashams> named* |
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[16:11] <thelinuxer> i think this unrelated to the structure itself ... |
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[16:11] <mgamal> ashams: just like we did with the council |
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[16:11] <thelinuxer> this is* |
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[16:11] <mgamal> current active members can be assigned to lead FGs |
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[16:12] <ashams> ok |
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[16:12] <mgamal> so |
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[16:12] <ashams> let's pass? |
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[16:12] <mgamal> next item on the agenda? |
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[16:12] <thelinuxer> so this structure is accepted, right ? |
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[16:13] <ashams> yes, to me |
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[16:13] <mgamal> same here |
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[16:13] <thelinuxer> cool |
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[16:13] <thelinuxer> proceed .. |
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[16:13] <mgamal> Marketing + PR with no SP team, I am getting this right? |
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[16:13] <thelinuxer> yes |
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[16:13] <ashams> mgamal, would you look for the next item yourself, sorry I'm confused |
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[16:13] <ashams> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EgyptTeam/Meetings/Agendas/2012-02-10 |
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[16:14] <mgamal> #subtopic Eventing |
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[16:15] <ashams> how can we increase online events? or should we do aslan? |
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[16:15] <mgamal> ping! |
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[16:15] <ashams> pong :-) |
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[16:15] <mgamal> was just going to ask |
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[16:15] <mgamal> what are online events? |
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[16:15] <mgamal> I guess we have things like global jams |
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[16:16] <thelinuxer> online events like ubuntu user week |
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[16:16] <mgamal> but I can't really think of any more online events on the LoCo leevel |
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[16:16] <thelinuxer> and ubuntu developer week |
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[16:16] <mgamal> yes |
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[16:16] <thelinuxer> we can have in the Arabic teams level .. |
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[16:16] <mgamal> but the LoCo has nothing to do with these |
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[16:16] <thelinuxer> events like this in Arabic language |
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[16:16] <ashams> that's it, in arabic |
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[16:16] <mgamal> except probably promoting them |
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[16:16] <mgamal> we can do dour own events definitely |
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[16:16] <mgamal> but this is something that can be taken in its time |
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[16:17] <mgamal> I don't see a need for much discussion here |
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[16:17] <ashams> postpone it? |
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[16:17] <thelinuxer> mgamal: sure i think it can be postponed .. |
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[16:17] <ashams> pass? |
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[16:17] <thelinuxer> +1 |
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[16:18] <mgamal> no+! |
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[16:18] <mgamal> +1 |
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[16:18] <mgamal> sorry |
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[16:18] <ashams> ok |
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[16:18] <ashams> #subtopic Finding fund for events. |
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[16:18] <ashams> it doesn't work :-( |
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[16:18] <mgamal> I don't have much to weigh in here |
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[16:19] <ashams> we have no fund for anything |
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[16:19] <mgamal> we probably needed Anas to tell us about it |
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[16:19] <mgamal> we will need to make Funds |
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[16:19] <ashams> our work on the new structure is almost useless |
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[16:19] <ashams> unless we make events |
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[16:19] <mgamal> why? |
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[16:19] <ashams> which need more money |
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[16:19] <mgamal> events need funds |
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[16:19] <mgamal> so |
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[16:19] <mgamal> well |
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[16:19] <ashams> so, we need funds |
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[16:19] <jonathanhindi> self funded |
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[16:20] <mgamal> IMO we can fund ourselves in two ways |
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[16:20] <jonathanhindi> minimum contribution |
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[16:20] <mgamal> 1- Self-funding |
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[16:20] <mgamal> 2- By getting sponsors |
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[16:20] <jonathanhindi> mgamal: i think doing the two together is a good idea |
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[16:20] <thelinuxer> i think funding is a tricky issue, legaly i mean |
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[16:20] <mgamal> jonathanhindi: I never said the two are mutually exclusive |
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[16:21] <thelinuxer> we don't want to be accused of getting foreign funds :D |
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[16:21] <jonathanhindi> we already discussed the min-contribution before in a public meeting |
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[16:21] <mgamal> thelinuxer: making a gam3eyya isn't illegal I think :) |
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[16:21] <thelinuxer> mgamal: sure |
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[16:21] <mgamal> in other words |
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[16:21] <mgamal> members can pay voluntary monthly payments |
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[16:21] <mgamal> they will be kept to fund team activites |
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[16:21] <ashams> We almost can't receive funds from any organizations, simply coz they pay i to get subtracted from taxees |
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[16:22] <ashams> it* |
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[16:22] <jonathanhindi> so min-contribution 15 L.E from every approved member |
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[16:22] <ashams> taxes, even |
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[16:22] <thelinuxer> jonathanhindi: mgamal back to the collecting issue .. |
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[16:22] <thelinuxer> we want to make more meetings online |
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[16:23] <mgamal> definitely |
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[16:23] <thelinuxer> how would we collect the contribution every month? |
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[16:23] <ashams> ok, what about biannually? |
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[16:23] <mgamal> well |
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[16:23] <mgamal> there was one bulletpoint before funding |
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[16:23] <mgamal> I have no idea why ashams skipped it? |
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[16:23] <jonathanhindi> biannually for students it is nearl imposible |
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[16:23] <mgamal> Regulating ground events, by location and term. |
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[16:23] <jonathanhindi> imposible |
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[16:23] <mgamal> we need to say first how the group meets |
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[16:24] <mgamal> how frequently |
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[16:24] <thelinuxer> mgamal: good point |
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[16:24] <ashams> mgamal, yes I skipped it |
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[16:24] <mgamal> monthly meeting? |
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[16:24] <wazery> Guys aside from our topic, we should also discuss making an event before the next release, because I have a lot of ready CDs and stickers |
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[16:24] <ashams> ok |
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[16:24] <mgamal> wazery, let's discuss this later |
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[16:24] <thelinuxer> lets focus on one point now |
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[16:24] <mgamal> in Sakia :) |
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[16:24] <mgamal> so anyway |
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[16:24] <thelinuxer> wazery: bring CDs with you please ... |
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[16:25] <mgamal> what's your opinion that the group makes a monthly meeting? |
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[16:25] <wazery> thelinuxer: ok |
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[16:25] <ashams> mgamal, +1 |
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[16:25] <thelinuxer> u mean physical meeting ? |
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[16:25] <mgamal> should be attended by council members and FG leaders |
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[16:25] <mgamal> yes |
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[16:25] <mgamal> I mean a physical meeting |
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[16:25] <mgamal> we can just discuss, have fun, be geeks, and most importantly, collect funds :) |
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[16:25] <thelinuxer> hmm .. |
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[16:26] <thelinuxer> didn't we try this over and over again ? |
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[16:26] <mgamal> we never set it in stone :) |
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[16:26] <thelinuxer> we always have problems committing to meetings every X |
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[16:26] <wazery> mgamal: +1 |
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[16:26] <ashams> yes, it was never regualted |
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[16:26] <ashams> what about 3rd friday of each month |
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[16:26] <ashams> every* |
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[16:27] <mgamal> what about the 1st friday of every month |
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[16:27] <mgamal> that's easier to remember :) |
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[16:27] <ashams> mgamal, +1 even |
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[16:27] <thelinuxer> ashams: mgamal wazery please guys tell me how is this different from what we did before ? |
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[16:27] <thelinuxer> how is this regulating it ? |
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[16:27] <jonathanhindi> +1 |
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[16:27] <mgamal> we never had a regulation to start with |
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[16:27] <mgamal> plus |
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[16:28] <mgamal> attendance should be mandatory for council members and group leaders |
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[16:28] <ashams> thelinuxer, dude, we need to make it in a way or another |
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[16:28] <thelinuxer> ok lets try this once more |
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[16:28] <ashams> it happens everywhere |
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[16:28] <thelinuxer> that's what i am saying tell me the way .. |
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[16:28] <thelinuxer> ok i agree too |
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[16:28] <mgamal> thelinuxer: now we have set dates for meetings, all we need is to discuss meeting places on the ML before we meet |
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[16:29] <mgamal> so |
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[16:29] <mgamal> let's take a vote? |
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[16:29] <thelinuxer> ok i guess we will need 1 online council meeting + 1 phsyical every month , right ? |
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[16:29] <ashams> #vote 1 physical meeting + 1 irc meeting every month? |
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[16:29] <meetingology> Please vote on: 1 physical meeting + 1 irc meeting every month? |
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[16:29] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) |
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[16:30] <ashams> +1 |
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[16:30] <meetingology> +1 received from ashams |
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[16:30] <jonathanhindi> +1 |
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[16:30] <meetingology> +1 received from jonathanhindi |
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[16:30] <wazery> +1 |
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[16:30] <meetingology> +1 received from wazery |
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[16:30] <jonathanhindi> Guys, I have to go now |
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[16:30] <jonathanhindi> I am sorry |
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[16:30] <jonathanhindi> bye |
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[16:30] <mgamal> +1 |
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[16:30] <meetingology> +1 received from mgamal |
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[16:30] <ashams> ok, bye |
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[16:31] <ashams> #endvote |
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[16:31] <meetingology> Voting ended on: 1 physical meeting + 1 irc meeting every month? |
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[16:31] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 |
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[16:31] <meetingology> Motion carried |
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[16:31] <wazery> bye jonathanhindi |
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[16:31] <mgamal> we didn't say when btw? :) |
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[16:31] <thelinuxer> 1st and 3rd fridays ? |
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[16:31] <mgamal> 1st friday every month for physical, + 3rd friday for IRC? |
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[16:31] <wazery> 1st for both |
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[16:32] <ashams> mgamal, can it be 1st for irc and 3rd for physical? |
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[16:32] <thelinuxer> wazery: it's a good idea actually ... |
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[16:32] <thelinuxer> tiring for the council but good : |
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[16:32] <thelinuxer> :D |
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[16:32] <mgamal> why ashams ? |
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[16:32] <ashams> so, we pre-discuss things on irc then we meet to finish it |
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[16:33] <mgamal> we still can do that if it's the other way round? :) |
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[16:33] <ashams> +1 |
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[16:34] <thelinuxer> doesn't really matter pic one guys, bas fe3lan I like wazery's suggestion |
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[16:35] <ashams> thelinuxer, why? |
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[16:35] <thelinuxer> because if i am in the council I would like to finish the meetings in only one day |
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[16:35] <thelinuxer> like today for instance we are meeting |
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[16:35] <wazery> guys, I need to go |
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[16:35] <thelinuxer> then we have a communitty outing |
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[16:35] <ashams> thelinuxer, cool |
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[16:36] <ashams> I +1 it |
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[16:36] <thelinuxer> wazery: vote for this then go |
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[16:36] <ashams> wazery, ok, bye dude |
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[16:36] <wazery> thelinuxer: ok |
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[16:36] <thelinuxer> ashams: start the vote |
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[16:36] <mgamal> vote what exactly? |
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[16:36] <ashams> #vote both meeting on 1st friday? |
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[16:36] <meetingology> Please vote on: both meeting on 1st friday? |
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[16:36] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) |
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[16:36] <wazery> +1 |
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[16:36] <meetingology> +1 received from wazery |
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[16:37] <thelinuxer> mgamal: physical and IRC in the same day |
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[16:37] <wazery> meet you in sakia iaA |
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[16:37] <thelinuxer> wazery: ok bye |
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[16:37] <mgamal> -1 |
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[16:37] <meetingology> -1 received from mgamal |
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[16:37] <ashams> bye man :D |
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[16:38] <ashams> haha |
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[16:38] <mgamal> please vote guys |
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[16:38] <ashams> mgamal, why? |
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[16:38] <thelinuxer> ashams: finish the vote! |
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[16:38] <ashams> mgamal, why you -1'd ? |
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[16:38] <mgamal> probably won't have much time for the meetings this way |
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[16:38] <ashams> thelinuxer, one sec, let's lestin to mgamal 's logic |
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[16:39] <mgamal> as you can see wazery and jon already left because they probably need that time to reach Sakia :) |
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[16:39] <mgamal> so it confines the time for the IRC meeting |
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[16:39] <ashams> I agree with this |
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[16:39] <ashams> -1 |
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[16:39] <meetingology> -1 received from ashams |
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[16:39] <ashams> #endvote |
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[16:39] <meetingology> Voting ended on: both meeting on 1st friday? |
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[16:39] <meetingology> Votes for:1 Votes against:2 Abstentions:0 |
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[16:39] <meetingology> Motion denied |
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[16:39] <thelinuxer> that's decided too |
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[16:40] <ashams> so 1st and 3rd fridays? |
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[16:40] <thelinuxer> yes |
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[16:40] <thelinuxer> can we list some action items ? |
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[16:40] <mgamal> 1st friday physical, 3rd IRC |
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[16:40] <ashams> mgamal, this month is a special case? |
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[16:40] <mgamal> yes |
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[16:40] <ashams> ok |
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[16:40] <ashams> +1 |
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[16:40] <thelinuxer> starting march isA |
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[16:40] <ashams> thelinuxer, ? |
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[16:41] <ashams> ok |
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[16:41] <thelinuxer> action items .. |
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[16:41] <thelinuxer> i guess we all agreed upon the core FGs |
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[16:41] <thelinuxer> i will create these core FGs and make the council the owner |
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[16:41] <ashams> don't know |
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[16:41] <ashams> ok |
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[16:41] <thelinuxer> what do u mean don't know ? |
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[16:42] <mgamal> we still haven't completely agreed about which ones will be core ans which will be open |
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[16:42] <mgamal> we'll discuss this when we meet |
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[16:42] <ashams> have we agreed on marketing + PR? |
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[16:42] <thelinuxer> yes |
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[16:42] <ashams> ok |
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[16:42] <thelinuxer> and i think graphics(not sure if we discussed this) |
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[16:42] <ashams> I'm not comfortable with fully open FGs |
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[16:43] <ashams> Open teams never helped |
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[16:43] <thelinuxer> and i think we should start asking people to join these teams ASAP |
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[16:43] <thelinuxer> ashams: we said we will have both |
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[16:43] <ashams> you'll get teams filled with ppl but noone do nothing |
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[16:43] <ashams> it won't help this way |
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[16:44] <mgamal> yes, but this will create a closed hierarchy in the community |
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[16:44] <ashams> we need some regulation to let ppl in |
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[16:44] <mgamal> no |
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[16:44] <mgamal> we don't |
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[16:44] <ashams> mgamal, it's not closed, let's make a procedure |
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[16:44] <mgamal> we can discuss this offline |
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[16:44] <ashams> we can't invite ppl without discussing this |
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[16:44] <thelinuxer> ok we can continue this discussion on the mailing list too .. |
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[16:44] <mgamal> we have to discuss this tonight |
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[16:45] <mgamal> in the outing |
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[16:45] <mgamal> okay? |
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[16:45] <ashams> mgamal, I won't come :( |
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[16:45] <mgamal> mailing list then |
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[16:45] <ashams> ok |
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[16:45] <mgamal> start a thread and we would discuss |
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[16:45] <ashams> ok |
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[16:45] <thelinuxer> cool |
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[16:45] <thelinuxer> here is what i am worried about .. |
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[16:46] <thelinuxer> we only have 2 month, and the process should be running before the next elections |
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[16:46] <ashams> by "Regulating ground events, by location and term" I meant making events like sessions or lectures or so, not just meetings |
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[16:46] <thelinuxer> so we need to finalize the parts related to the membership/FGs ASAP |
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[16:47] <ashams> thelinuxer, yep |
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[16:48] <thelinuxer> ok i think this meeting is adjourned |
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[16:48] <thelinuxer> we can continue on the mailing list |
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[16:48] <ashams> end? |
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[16:48] <ashams> ok |
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[16:48] <ashams> mgamal, ? |
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[16:48] <mgamal> end |
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[16:48] <ashams> #endmeeting |
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[16:48] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Feb 10 16:48:47 2012 UTC. |
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[16:48] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-eg/2012/ubuntu-eg.2012-02-10-15.15.moin.txt |
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[16:48] <meetingology> Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-eg/2012/ubuntu-eg.2012-02-10-15.15.html |
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[16:49] <thelinuxer> i like the output from this bot! |
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[16:49] <thelinuxer> nice! |
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[16:49] <mgamal> yeah! *me gusta* |
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[16:49] <ashams> yeah, I like it too |
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[16:50] <thelinuxer> mgamal: lool |
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[16:50] <thelinuxer> ok here is what we did wrong |
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[16:50] <thelinuxer> meeting topic is wrong |
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[16:50] <thelinuxer> and all topics are sub topics .. |
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[16:50] <ashams> no problem will fix it :) |
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[16:50] <thelinuxer> we should do better next time :D |
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[16:50] <thelinuxer> don't fix it |
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[16:50] <ashams> isA |
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[16:51] <thelinuxer> it doesn't matter we were learning |
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[16:51] <thelinuxer> mgamal: 7asaly el 3esha we anzel 3ala tool isA |
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[16:51] <mgamal> ok |
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[16:51] <thelinuxer> eshta |
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[16:51] <mgamal> I am in Agouza, so I'll be in Sakia in no time isA |
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[16:51] <thelinuxer> bye ashams catch u later |
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[16:51] <thelinuxer> mgamal: cool |
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[16:52] <mgamal> bye everyone |
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[16:52] <ashams> thelinuxer, bye :-) |
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[16:52] <ashams> mgamal, bye |
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[16:52] <mgamal> ashams: bye |
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[16:52] <ashams> mgamal, bye |
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