| === jdavies changed the topic of #ubuntu-motu to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | Want to get involved with the MOTUs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | 8.04 is released: Let's fix any SRU-worthy bugs before the users try the package. | Intrepid open, go wild! https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | QA targets available from http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ | |
| [10:34] <huats> does anybody can sponsor bug 234463, it is a bit blocking for me right now... | |
| [10:34] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 234463 in libxml-libxml-perl "Please sponsor libxml-libxml-perl_1.66-1ubuntu1 (Rebuild Upload) into intrepid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/234463 | |
| [10:37] <geser> huats: rebuilds should get a -xbuildy version (if there are no ubuntu changes) | |
| [10:38] <geser> and please close your bug in the changelog | |
| [10:38] <huats> geser: sure geser for the bug | |
| [10:38] <huats> I'll change that right now | |
| [10:44] <sebner> huhu cody-somerville | |
| [10:44] <cody-somerville> hyea | |
| [10:44] <cody-somerville> :) | |
| [10:45] <sebner> cody-somerville: recieved my mail? | |
| [10:45] <cody-somerville> sebner, yes but I'm not sure what I did, lol | |
| [10:45] <sebner> cody-somerville: nvm ^^ | |
| [10:45] * sebner hugs cody-somerville | |
| [10:46] * cody-somerville wants to know though :( | |
| [10:46] <cody-somerville> Are you sure you don't mean to thank persia? | |
| [10:57] <huats> geser: can you have another look at bug 234463 ? | |
| [10:57] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 234463 in libxml-libxml-perl "Please sponsor libxml-libxml-perl_1.66-1build1 (Rebuild Upload) into intrepid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/234463 | |
| [10:57] <huats> is it better now ? | |
| [10:59] <geser> huats: yes, you just need to wait now for a main sponsor | |
| [11:00] <geser> huats: I collect mine perl rebuild debdiffs for main in bug #230016 | |
| [11:00] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 230016 in ossp-uuid "[intrepid] Rebuild with perl 5.10" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/230016 | |
| [11:00] <huats> geser: ok | |
| [11:01] <huats> geser: do you need any help ? | |
| [11:02] * RAOF notes that Fedora's 'Make a live USB image' howto would be more useful if it didn't start "Install livecd-utils in your Fedora system..." | |
| [11:03] <Laney> I thought that too... | |
| [11:04] <geser> huats: once libreadyonly-{,xs-}perl got synced, one can look again which -perl packages can be given-back (see the FTBFS list) | |
| [11:05] <huats> ok | |
| [11:05] <huats> geser: well if you need help for this task, just let me know... | |
| [11:06] <geser> huats: the main part is to figure in which order the -perl package needs to get build/given-back | |
| [11:06] <geser> huats: will do | |
| [11:09] <leifdk1978> hey does building pacages requrire programming knowlege like c++ or | |
| [11:10] <geser> no, more how a Makefile looks like | |
| [11:10] <leifdk1978> ahh that one i know :) | |
| [11:11] <leifdk1978> just wondered if i could be of help | |
| [11:12] <geser> help is always needed :) | |
| [11:13] <leifdk1978> cool just need a pointer in the rigth direction | |
| [11:15] <leifdk1978> is there a place to get source code or tar.gz/bz2 files and to know where to start | |
| [11:16] <ruiboon_> leifdk1978: you can get the sources of many packages using apt-get source pkgname | |
| [11:16] <leifdk1978> ohhh nice | |
| [11:18] <leifdk1978> do motu hava a wike or | |
| [11:18] <huats> leifdk1978: have a look here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu | |
| [11:24] <huats> geser: I just put the rebuild for libdbd-sqlite3-perl | |
| [11:25] <leifdk1978> hmm so this thing is just to make deb files and fix any realy easy bugs or | |
| [11:29] <geser> huats: see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdbd-sqlite3-perl/+bug/230016/comments/24 :) | |
| [11:29] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 230016 in libdbd-sqlite3-perl "[intrepid] Rebuild with perl 5.10" [Undecided,Fix committed] | |
| [11:30] <huats> geser: ok you have a point | |
| [11:30] <huats> :) | |
| [11:31] <geser> I've set it back to New so it doesn't get overlooked by a main sponsor | |
| [11:31] <huats> sure | |
| [11:32] <huats> I mean remove my | |
| [11:32] <huats> debdiff and stuffs | |
| [11:32] <huats> you did it firet ;) | |
| [11:32] <huats> first | |
| [11:38] <huats> well I let you do as you planed geser :) | |
| [11:38] <huats> once again ping/mail me if you need help... | |
| [11:39] <huats> got to go soon but I might be available to do stuff in the we | |
| [11:54] <thp> how can I get an updated universe package into hardy? | |
| [11:55] <geser> thp: what kind of update? | |
| [11:56] <thp> a new upstream version of a package that fixes lots of bugs in the version that is currently available in hardy (gpodder) | |
| [11:58] <geser> the best approach would be through a hardy-backport (if the new version is already in intrepid) | |
| [12:04] <geser> huats: if you interested: rrdtool (main) needs a merge (for the perl 5.10 transition) | |
| [12:05] <huats> geser: ok I'll have a look | |
| [12:06] <huats> geser: cannot find it on dad | |
| [12:07] <huats> sorry I haven't seen it was on main | |
| [12:07] <huats> .. | |
| [12:09] <geser> huats: ming (universe) needs also a merge (please check if bug #174956 can be easily fixed) | |
| [12:09] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 174956 in ming "pc file non installed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174956 | |
| [12:14] <huats> geser: ok I cannot do it right now, but I keep that on my mind and I let you know soon about... | |
| [12:14] <huats> thanks | |
| [12:19] <pwang> just a little moan here guys. why is firefox 3 rc1 not released for hardy yet? it's released for intrepid. | |
| [12:21] <pwang> just a little moan here guys. why is firefox 3 rc1 not released for hardy yet? it's released for intrepid. | |
| [12:22] <pwang> *sigh* i guess i'll have to go with the launchpad package instead. | |
| === ember_ is now known as ember | |
| [13:35] <Laney> slangasek: Mind if I take the pdns merge? | |
| [13:42] <\sh> moins | |
| [13:43] <\sh> Ng: I just filed a bug report about terminator segfaulting when no $DISPLAY is set :) | |
| [13:56] <\sh> the backport procedure is somehow complicated | |
| [14:07] <leifdk1978> hmm this thing motu seeem ok fun | |
| [14:11] <\sh> "this thing motu"? | |
| [14:12] <leifdk1978> to make new versions of deb files a bit complex but fun and help full | |
| [14:14] <\sh> nah...generating debian packages is not as hard as playing with rpm source packages where the whole package info and build info and post/pre-inst/rm stuff is inside one file and you need to read weired rpm macros :( | |
| [14:15] <jdavies> \sh: pity he left | |
| [14:16] <\sh> that's life ;) | |
| [14:17] <Iulian> Troll? | |
| [14:17] <jdavies> Iulian: think Harry Potter | |
| [14:18] * Iulian smiles | |
| [15:24] <\sh> uh...my first propose to merge branch .. | |
| [15:28] <bddebian> Heya gang | |
| [15:29] <sebner> hihu bddebian | |
| === Czessi_ is now known as Czessi | |
| [15:37] <bddebian> Hi sebner | |
| [15:42] <jdong> urgh stupid slow airport wifi | |
| [15:42] <jdong> I guess beggars can't be choosers | |
| [16:31] <LucidFox> smarter, you here? | |
| [16:31] <smarter> yep | |
| [16:31] <LucidFox> You don't need to use REVU to update packages already submitted to Ubuntu | |
| [16:32] <LucidFox> File a bug on LP for qdevelop and attach the diff.gz for the new version, and I'll sponsor it | |
| [16:32] <smarter> okay, didn't know that | |
| [16:32] <smarter> thanks | |
| [16:33] <smarter> feel free to nuke the upload then ;) | |
| [16:33] <LucidFox> okay | |
| [16:34] <smarter> what is the "Updated packages" for in revu? | |
| [16:34] <LucidFox> archived | |
| [16:34] <LucidFox> From what I understand, it's a remnant from before this practice was developed | |
| [16:35] <smarter> ok | |
| [16:47] <smarter> LucidFox: bug #234605 | |
| [16:47] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 234605 in qdevelop "Please sponsor qdevelop 0.25.2+svn080522-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/234605 | |
| [16:47] <LucidFox> smarter> will do | |
| [16:47] <smarter> thanks | |
| [16:48] <LucidFox> wait... debdiff? | |
| [16:48] <LucidFox> I asked for diff.gz | |
| [16:48] <LucidFox> a debdiff will be huge, it will include all upstream changes | |
| [16:50] <LucidFox> debdiffs are for changes within the same upstream version, e.g. from -0ubuntu1 to -0ubuntu2 | |
| [16:52] <smarter> oh sorry, didn't realise ^^' | |
| [16:53] * smarter uploads the diff.gz and tar.gz right now | |
| [16:56] <smarter> LucidFox: done | |
| [16:57] <LucidFox> smarter> thanks, will upload | |
| [16:58] <LucidFox> the orig.tar.gz isn't necessary, by the wa | |
| [16:58] <LucidFox> y | |
| [17:01] <smarter> LucidFox: why? | |
| [17:02] <LucidFox> because it can be created with get-orig-source | |
| [17:03] <smarter> yes, but then you will get today snapshot and need to change the version number in debian/changelog | |
| [17:30] <Festor> Is there a problem with the PPA? | |
| [17:30] <Festor> see this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/156872 | |
| [17:30] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 156872 in launchpad "PPA: packaged passing from uploaded to published without trying to build" [Undecided,Confirmed] | |
| [17:30] <Festor> Already 10 hours have passed and still no package. I can only see the sources. | |
| [18:22] <LucidFox> smarter> uploaded | |
| [19:24] <emgent> hello | |
| [19:25] <\sh> oh prague is coming home | |
| [19:28] <devfil> hi emgent! | |
| [19:43] <emgent> Yeah \sh :) | |
| [19:59] <sebner> \sh: why weren't you in prague? I think it will never be so near in the near feature | |
| [20:00] <\sh> sebner, time contraints | |
| [20:00] <\sh> sebner, I have to earn money :) | |
| [20:00] <sebner> \sh: what a pitty | |
| [20:00] <sebner> \sh: bah money ^^. btw, why is gentoo bad on servers? ^^ | |
| [20:01] <\sh> oh...I have to repeat my speech from 2006 ;) | |
| [20:01] <sebner> \sh: was using XP at that time :P | |
| [20:01] <\sh> sebner, gentoo will never have a real "stable release" as we know it from rh, deb, ubu, suse | |
| [20:02] <pwnguin> heh, i just cleaned up the office in my mom's house and found a gentoo installer from 2002 | |
| [20:02] <sebner> \sh: this sucks for servers but on the desktop it's the best you can do. Damn ubuntu :P | |
| [20:02] <\sh> gentoo is dynamic...which is good for a source based distro... | |
| [20:02] <\sh> sebner, no it sucks | |
| [20:02] <\sh> sebner, you sit the whole day and compile software but you don't use it | |
| [20:02] <sebner> \sh: argh. only bleeding edge is rue | |
| [20:02] <sebner> \sh: ah gentoo. ok ^^ | |
| [20:02] <pwnguin> with gentoo, you can't really hold off on updates for very long | |
| [20:03] <directhex> gentoo doesn't need a bugzilla though - if someone reports a bug, just update the package, and say the bug is invalid because it was filed against an old version! | |
| [20:03] <\sh> indeed, gentoo is nice for software people who needs the latest software for their development... | |
| [20:03] <\sh> but for stability and reliabilty gentoo is wrong | |
| [20:04] <\sh> I was blind these days...I'll pray that I'll never do such a mistake again...never ever promised | |
| [20:04] <\sh> lol | |
| [20:06] <pwnguin> oh the other hand, our cluster admin enjoys gentoo | |
| [20:06] <directhex> pwnguin, lies | |
| [20:06] <pwnguin> lots of CPUs mounted on an NFS boot saves a bit on that whole compile thing | |
| [20:07] <pwnguin> compiles the kernel in 26 seconds it does | |
| [20:07] <directhex> who in their right mind uses gentoo on a cluster? | |
| [20:07] <pwnguin> instead of? | |
| [20:09] <directhex> something with some actual support - from both the vendor and the guys making third party apps like abaqus | |
| [20:09] <pwnguin> na | |
| [20:10] <pwnguin> its academic | |
| [20:10] <pwnguin> the whole department's servers run gentoo anyways | |
| [20:10] <directhex> madness :| | |
| [20:11] <pwnguin> according to the sysadmins, the dept's needs were too demanding for debian | |
| [20:11] <pwnguin> too many "please install this software i wrote" etc | |
| [20:11] <directhex> still madness! | |
| [20:11] <pwnguin> probably | |
| [20:12] <pwnguin> on the other hand, they didnt have to expire two years worth of ssh keys | |
| [20:12] <\sh> pwnguin, they don't know it yet ,-) | |
| [20:13] <pwnguin> directhex: im sure theres a redhat server somewhere running oracle | |
| [20:13] <pwnguin> but for the most part, the dept supports itself it seems | |
| [20:14] <\sh> gentoo has its reasons to be there...and I'm thankful for people who ran and used gentoo...they are known to put away more pain and are not children anymore | |
| [20:14] <directhex> i like vendor support. being able to send them core dumps & say "it breaks, fix it!" is a better situation that feeling around in the dark | |
| [20:15] <\sh> directhex, do that with adobe | |
| [20:15] <pwnguin> define vendor | |
| [20:15] <pwnguin> adobe? | |
| [20:15] <pwnguin> dell? | |
| [20:15] <directhex> pwnguin, sgi, dell, people like that | |
| [20:15] <\sh> "Dear Adobe, your FMS3 doesn't honour your umask settings...even if it says different" | |
| [20:15] <pwnguin> well, the company they buy hardware for does that | |
| [20:15] <pwnguin> for "linux" | |
| [20:16] <pwnguin> i dont know the details, but i know they've been back and forth about hardware support a few times | |
| [20:20] <\sh> anyways...I'm the only one, at least in the company of this customer, who had the experience with gentoo...and I was wrong to believe they could learn the gentoo ways these days...now they know the confixx way of doing things, and I'm fcked, because I have to fix the shit | |
| [20:20] <\sh> that's why gentoo was a sin...and I have to be punished for that | |
| [20:21] <pwnguin> \sh: it's probably a bit different with a campus Computer Science department with a large gentoo user base in the LUG | |
| [20:22] <\sh> pwnguin, yes...as I said, gentoo needs to be there...I'm not blaming gentoo for my mistake :) | |
| [20:22] <\sh> I blame myself | |
| [20:22] <\sh> it cost me again hours of my life... | |
| [20:23] <\sh> lucky i've been, two years ago, this company had still 7 gentoo servers of me ;) they replaced 6 of them with centos , because they don't want to pay RHEL money ;) | |
| [20:24] <\sh> but this one...the whole mail infrastructure , incoming and outgoing :( they are frightened to replace this server, too...and yesterday somewhat around midday their harddrives were 100% full ;) | |
| [20:25] <pwnguin> anyways, i think the main campus computing services uses solaris for the paid support | |
| [20:45] <\sh> oh guys, terminator is really lovely .. the new release will rock ;) | |
| [21:32] <emgent> \sh: sure! terminator rocks! | |
| [21:33] <sebner> bah. all this advertisment ^^ | |
| [21:33] <emgent> ScottK: big lol! | |
| [21:33] <sebner> emgent: got your question anwered? | |
| [21:33] <sebner> *answered | |
| [21:33] <emgent> no | |
| [21:34] <emgent> http://en.emanuele-gentili.com/index.php/2008/05/24/ubuntu-developers-summit-some-photos/#comments | |
| [21:34] <emgent> hahaha | |
| [21:35] <sebner> emgent: linus torvalds xD hey but that's somehow true =) | |
| [21:54] <norsetto> howdy | |
| [21:54] <sebner> hiuhu norsetto | |
| [21:56] <emgent> o/ norsetto | |
| [21:56] <norsetto> hey emgent, so, you left the italian community too .... | |
| [21:57] <sebner> norsetto: I didn't left the italian community but also don't want to be ignored :P | |
| [21:58] <emgent> norsetto: yes | |
| [21:58] <\sh> oh god...pitti like aseigo | |
| [21:58] <\sh> no ways | |
| [21:58] <emgent> hehe | |
| [21:59] <norsetto> sebner: do you want me to kiss you wildly in public? | |
| [21:59] <\sh> and scottk looks like linus? hell...this john guy doesn't have a clue about age ,-) | |
| [21:59] * RoAkSoAx hi yall xD | |
| [21:59] <\sh> norsetto, *ROTFLBTC* | |
| [21:59] <sebner> norsetto: public? public IRC yes :P | |
| [21:59] <emgent> norsetto: where do you read the news? | |
| [22:00] <\sh> oh damn... | |
| [22:00] <\sh> I need to get up at 6 tomorrow...and I need to shave | |
| [22:00] <emgent> \sh: heya man! | |
| [22:00] <emgent> argh | |
| [22:00] <sebner> baba \sh | |
| [22:01] <norsetto> emgent: ubuntu-it-dev m.l. | |
| [22:01] <\sh> I wonder why people hate my captcha :) | |
| [22:02] <norsetto> \sh: is that an article about UDS!? | |
| [22:02] <\sh> norsetto, hmm? | |
| [22:02] <norsetto> \sh: [22:59] <\sh> and scottk looks like linus? hell...this john guy doesn't have a clue about age ,-) | |
| [22:02] <\sh> norsetto, yeah it's a comment on emgents blog | |
| [22:02] <\sh> about uds pictures | |
| [22:03] <emgent> yes | |
| === ember_ is now known as ember | |
| [22:03] <norsetto> \sh: too bad you weren't there, I would have been happy to meet you | |
| [22:04] <\sh> norsetto, well...the invitation came too late and I really don't have the time...this coming week the LT fair...it was hard to get holiday from work | |
| [22:04] <emgent> mee to \sh | |
| [22:04] <emgent> s/to/too/ | |
| [22:04] <\sh> norsetto, what about next UDS ? ;) | |
| [22:05] <\sh> norsetto, we are young enough :) | |
| [22:05] <norsetto> \sh: indeed ;-) | |
| [22:05] <emgent> hehehe | |
| [22:05] <\sh> norsetto, and at least..italy is not far away .. a short jump over swiss and I'm there ;) | |
| [22:05] <sebner> \sh norsetto emgent : Did you participate at the daniel flashhug? ^^ | |
| [22:06] <sebner> \sh: AUSTRIA ole ole | |
| [22:06] <emgent> sebner: yes! | |
| [22:06] <emgent> see youtube video, I'm in. :) | |
| [22:06] <norsetto> sebner: I refrained, another 100 kg could have been too much ... | |
| [22:06] <sebner> hehe | |
| [22:07] <sebner> emgent: well I couldn't recognise anybody except jono and daniel ^^ | |
| [22:07] <norsetto> \sh: yeah, I talked with Claire about the next European UDS, I hope we will be able to do that in Rome | |
| [22:08] <\sh> norsetto, hmmm?? I thought we will have a nice UDS somewhere in brasilia with nice chicks and hot drinks ;) far away from home so nobody can see us ;) | |
| [22:08] <\sh> well...just an idea... | |
| [22:09] <norsetto> \sh: Brasil? Hmmmm, I think I like that | |
| [22:09] <\sh> guys, I really need to go...shaving and to bed tomorrow morning 4 o'clock UTC the night is over | |
| [22:09] <\sh> cu tomorrow :) | |
| [22:09] <RoAkSoAx> nxvl, wanted to propose Perú for the next UDS | |
| [22:10] <norsetto> \sh: good night | |
| [22:11] <emgent> woow Peru` ? | |
| [22:12] <sebner> google is everywhere xD | |
| [22:12] <sebner> google maps/earth xD | |
| [22:12] <RoAkSoAx> ember, yeah!! Cusco maybe xD | |
| [22:13] * norsetto wonders if there is any motu-sru team member around | |
| [22:17] <RoAkSoAx> emgent, yeah!! Cusco maybe xD (Where macchu picchu is xD) | |
| [22:30] * norsetto thinks we should get rid of hit-and-run packages like memaker | |
| [22:34] <Gralco> hey guys | |
| [22:35] <sebner> norsetto: hmm? hit and run? | |
| [22:36] <norsetto> sebner: call it package-and-forget | |
| [22:37] <Gralco> how exactly does pbuilder work | |
| [22:37] <sebner> norsetto: but why? | |
| [22:37] <norsetto> sebner: why what? | |
| [22:38] <norsetto> !pbuilder | gralco | |
| [22:38] <sebner> norsetto: why package and forget? Have you anything against it? | |
| [22:38] <ubottu> gralco: pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto | |
| [22:38] <Gralco> i know what it is | |
| [22:38] <norsetto> sebner: I have everything against it | |
| [22:38] <sebner> norsetto: lol. why? | |
| [22:38] <Gralco> its just when i went through the package managing guide i got lost | |
| [22:39] <norsetto> sebner: because, what good to the distro is having stuff which is broken and unmaintained? | |
| [22:40] <sebner> norsetto: broken and unmaintained? If that's true and you are right with your package and forget thing | |
| [22:43] <sebner> norsetto: but I thought they were busy developing and getting it into ubuntu as important part | |
| [22:44] <Laney> It's weird that Memaker installs itself into System->Preferences | |
| [22:46] <sebner> Laney: maybe really b0rken | |
| [22:46] <Gralco> I turn an application in to Brian Murray for the ubuntu bug control team a week ago and I still haven't had any notice from it. | |
| [22:46] <Laney> Gralco: Try #ubuntu-bugs for that | |
| [22:46] <norsetto> sebner: it can be the greatest software on the planet, but if its broken and unmainteined I still think its wrong to have it | |
| [22:46] <Gralco> how long does it usually take | |
| [22:46] <sebner> norsetto: and are you sure that it is? | |
| [22:47] <Gralco> laney okay | |
| [22:48] <norsetto> sebner: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/memaker/ | |
| [22:49] <sebner> norsetto: ok bugs but https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/memaker/+bug/204595 | |
| [22:49] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 204595 in memaker "Upgrade MeMaker package to latest upstream version" [Undecided,In progress] | |
| [22:49] <norsetto> sebner: yes, exactly what I mean .... | |
| [22:50] <sebner> norsetto: but it seems that upstream isn't dead so no not what you mean ;) | |
| [22:50] <norsetto> sebner: and what good is upstream if nobody takes care of it in the distro? | |
| [22:51] <sebner> norsetto: the MOTUs do :) | |
| [22:52] <Laney> norsetto: But the upgrade bug is "In Progress", so someone is looking at it | |
| [23:27] <norsetto> g'night all | |
| [23:27] <emgent> night Cesare | |
| === azeem_ is now known as azeem | |