2008/01/16/#kubuntu-devel.txt

[00:02] <ryanakca> ScottK: *nods*
[00:27] <RinTinTigger> Hey...is someone there?
[00:28] <RinTinTigger> I need some help with a "special problem"
[00:28] <ryanakca> RinTinTigger: #kubuntu ?
[00:29] <RinTinTigger> well i am not sure
[00:29] <RinTinTigger> problem is
[00:29] <RinTinTigger> I have a laptop with cd-drive malfunction
[00:29] <RinTinTigger> and had windows preinstalled
[00:29] <RinTinTigger> and installed Feisty Fawn via Wubi
[00:29] <ryanakca> ... and... was it caused by Kubuntu / Did it happen when you put in the CD?
[00:29] <ryanakca> ah... Wubi?
[00:29] <RinTinTigger> Yeah
[00:29] <RinTinTigger> Wubi
[00:29] <RinTinTigger> now BOTH OS crashed
[00:30]  * ryanakca scratches his head and decides this is above him
[00:30] <RinTinTigger> and i cant reinstall
[00:30] <RinTinTigger> so i kinda need a way to install ubuntu/lionux via USB-Stick ^^
[00:30] <RinTinTigger> How do i F***CKIN ;) install Linux without a Cd-Drive and network access ? :D
[00:31] <ryanakca> you're better off asking that type of question in #ubuntu ... #kubuntu answers that type of question, but it's not as populated. #ubuntu will deal with more generic issues, hardware under Ubuntu, etc.
[00:31] <RinTinTigger> ty
[00:31] <ryanakca> how? with your godly superpowers :P
[00:35] <nixternal> man, I so need to get this audio crap fixed...I just booted into KDE 4 in class and everyone heard the new login sound :)
[00:37] <crimsun> /ignore * nixternal ["audio" "sound"]
[00:38] <ryanakca> oooh, I like the new "to complete this update you need to reboot your system" message that pops up, telling me my upgrade is done
[00:38] <ryanakca> brb, wish me luck, hardy, here I come :)
[00:50] <ryanakca> weee :)
[00:50] <ryanakca> My KDE session didn't get restored for some reason... but I can live with that :)
[00:53] <yuriy> oh this is fun. kde4 just crashed and now the panel won't come up
[00:56]  * yuriy says goodbye to his ~/.kde4
[00:57] <ryanakca> aaaaah! 'kopete' points to /usr/lib/kde4/bin/kopete ... and kopete-kde4 points to /usr/bin/kopete-kde4
[00:58] <ryanakca> ... and /usr/bin/kopete refuses to start :S
[00:58] <yuriy> i know this was being discussed yesterday but.. maybe the user on computer/kubuntu label could go on the top of kickoff?
[00:59] <stdin> nixternal: you about?
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[01:31] <ryanakca> hmm... is kopete dead for anybody else?
[01:31] <crimsun> 18
[01:31] <crimsun> err, sorry.
[01:57] <jjesse_> evening :)
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[01:58] <Jucato> hi jjesse!
[02:00] <jjesse> morning Jucato
[02:00] <jjesse> man i love the opening sessions of american idol
[02:01] <Jucato> :)
[02:02] <bddebian> It's frickin' frightening
[02:02] <jjesse> aint it great
[02:04] <bddebian> No it makes me ashamed of my species :-)
[02:05] <jjesse> makes me ashasmed as well
[02:05] <jjesse> i can't believe some of these people
[02:05] <jjesse> just started watching
[02:05] <jjesse> jes478SE
[02:05] <jjesse> man i love to do that
[02:06] <jjesse> set password kmj0407
[02:06] <Jucato> O.o
[02:06] <jjesse> good lord
[02:06] <jjesse> i should quit typing
[02:07] <jjesse> changed all of my accounts again :(
[02:07] <jjesse> i'm stupid
[02:15]  * yuriy found a use for the thumbnail aside effect
[02:15] <jjesse> yay yuriy
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[02:36] <jjesse_> hrm interseting dropping my network connectin again under linux ;(
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[02:51] <jjesse_> hrmm
[03:09] <jjesse_> i think everyone fell alseep
[03:09] <nixternal> hey, we aren't going to have a #kubuntu and a #kubuntu-kde4 are we? just one channel
[03:09] <jjesse_> nixternal: you are in charge of both :)
[03:10] <Hobbsee> the impression tha ti got from teh meeting minutes was that we wer.e
[03:10] <nixternal> heck no, trying to put a stop to a separate channel if at all possible
[03:10] <nixternal> that is ridiculous
[03:10] <Hobbsee> well, fix it then, and stop the arguing.  *shrug*
[03:10] <Hobbsee> if you want to take over, then do so.  no one's stopping you.
[03:20]  * Hobbsee should just resign from the KC
[03:22] <nixternal> Hobbsee: don't you dare!
[03:22] <Hobbsee> nixternal: why?
[03:22] <nixternal> cuz I said so, that's why :p
[03:22] <DaSkreech> Yay!!!
[03:22] <DaSkreech>  I have my ticket
[03:23] <tlayton> hey. talking about kde4, if i remove a desktop file when in kde3, shouldn't it also be removed when i go back to kde4?
[03:23] <Hobbsee> nixternal: so?
[03:24] <nixternal>  21:24:51 up 63 days,  4:22,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[03:25]  * nixternal thinks it is time for a break
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[05:59] <manchicken> We've got a babychicken.
[05:59] <manchicken> Born on the 15th at 19:46 -0500
[06:00] <Jucato> that's great!! congratulations!! :)
[06:00] <Hobbsee> yay!
[06:01] <Jucato> Hobbsee!!!!
[06:01] <Hobbsee> heya Jucato!
[06:04] <DaSkreech> Lumaya Jucato !
[06:04] <Jucato> :D
[06:12] <ScottK> manchicken: Congratulations.
[06:16] <manchicken> Thanks.
[06:18] <yuriy> congratulations manchicken!!!
[06:22] <manchicken> Baby pics: http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=17489305&albumId=1429460
[06:24] <DaSkreech> I have to login to see em?
[06:24] <Jucato> I have to register? O.o
[06:32] <DaSkreech> seele: Someone is looking for you
[06:45] <DaSkreech> seele: _CitizenKane_ in #kde if you see this
[06:48] <manchicken> Weird.
[06:48] <manchicken> Try going to http://www.myspace.com/manchicken and clicking on "pics"
[06:51] <Hobbsee> ew, myspace?
[06:51] <Tm_T> stop cursing, little kids are awake
[06:54] <DaSkreech> I must be logged into see that
[06:54] <Tm_T> hah
[06:57] <DaSkreech> manchicken: I guess you have some filter on them
[06:57]  * Tm_T doesn't know what is this "myspace"
[07:00] <manchicken> I don't think I do.
[07:00] <manchicken> Sorry, myspace is all I can think of to access on this super-anal network.
[07:00]  * Hobbsee suggests hosting them on a real site
[07:01] <manchicken> Everything is locked down on this hospital wifi.
[07:01] <Tm_T> manchicken: awww, what's the situation there?
[07:01] <manchicken> They'll be on manchicken.com once we get home.
[07:01] <manchicken> Probably with video.
[07:01] <manchicken> But this hospital is locked down.  I'm using an HTTP client to IRC right now.
[07:01] <manchicken> btw, mibbit.com is sweet.
[07:02] <manchicken> meebo.com isn't half bad either.
[07:03]  * Hobbsee si surprised the hospital has wifi
[07:03] <manchicken> I was, too.
[07:14] <blizzzek> hi
[08:19] <nixternal> Belkin KVMs are the suxorz
[08:50] <apache|mobile> stdin: I think we should close bug 182288 telling the report to move it to bugs.kde.org that report doesn't report a certain issue, but quite some troubles with ATI stuff
[08:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182288 in kdebase-kde4 "blank screen with kwin effects" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182288
[09:04] <nixternal> apache|mobile: that is because that person doesn't have either a) the correct driver installed, or b) doesn't have the correct driver installed
[09:04] <nixternal> I have no problems now with my Radeon and KDE 4
[09:07] <nixternal> holy smokes, 03:07...time flies when you clean up your computer area
[09:07]  * nixternal beds
[09:07] <nixternal> g'nite
[09:15] <apache|mobile> nixternal: I think it also depends on the chip
[09:22] <iRon> i got the same thing (blank screen) with integrated intel video
[09:22] <iRon> on my laptop
[09:55] <apache|mobile> iRon: works for mine
[09:55] <apache|mobile> iRon: can you paste your xorg.conf?
[10:31]  * Hobbsee curses blinken
[10:31]  * Hobbsee tries again
[11:04]  * Hobbsee plays with more of kdeedu
[11:20] <iRon> apache|mobile: actualy default one, generated by xserver-xorg: http://pastebin.org/15642
[11:23]  * apache|mobile isn't too surprised that this doesn't work properly
[11:23] <iRon> oh.. i found how to reproduce it.. anyone whants to try?
[11:23] <iRon> i think it will fail on any card
[11:24] <apache|mobile> cool
[11:26] <parthan> anyways of tracing why a "knotify crashed error occurred" ?
[11:26] <iRon> 1. Goto System Settings / Desktop Effects: deselect 'Enable desktop effects' checkbox
[11:26] <iRon> Apply
[11:27] <iRon> 2. Then again select 'Enable desktop effects' checkbox and deselect 'Improved window management' and 'Various animations'...
[11:27] <iRon> Leave only selected 'Shadows'
[11:27] <iRon> And press Apply..
[11:27] <iRon> You'll get a black screen with mouse cursor
[11:28] <iRon> apache|mobile: could you try this?
[11:29] <apache|mobile> iRon: only for 5 seconds
[11:31] <iRon> apache|mobile: yep, then it returns to prev state.. but if you press 'ctrl-alt-backspace' before this 5 seconds -- then on next login you'll get a black screen.
[11:31] <iRon> apache|mobile: or press `enter'
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[11:32] <apache|mobile> cool
[11:32] <apache|mobile> iRon: upstream bug
[12:38] <mhb> hello
[12:38] <mhb> ryanakca: I get the feeling that the message did not get to many interested ears
[12:49] <stdin> apachelogger_: there's nothing we can do about that bug either way, it should go upstream (maybe kwin can do better detection of hardware capabilities)
[12:52] <stdin> someone says they're still having bug 182077
[12:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182077 in kdebase-workspace "multiple desktop-icons in kde4" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182077
[12:53] <iRon> stdin: i think there is some logical error in code.. need to check what settings are activated when 'Improved window management' is checked.
[12:53] <iRon> stdin: because i could see mouse cursor.. so X doesn't failed
[12:54] <iRon> stdin: i think it's just need to enable some variables in code even if only 'Shadows' activated
[12:55] <stdin> still should probably go upstream, they know the code better than anyone
[12:59] <alleeHol> Hobbsee: you've added to exiv2 quite some conflicts for smooth upgrades.  This effectivly disabled having several libexiv2* in parallel.   Was this a quick fix?  Can't this be solved in a less intrusive way?
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[13:05] <Hobbsee> alleeHol: probably.  it was holding back digikam upgrades.
[13:10] <smarter> Are we going to package the oxygen cursor theme?
[13:11] <mhb> please do (humble request)
[13:12] <mhb> it should be packaged separate from KDE anyway (cursors are non-DE-dependent)
[13:16] <smarter> shouldn't be too hard to package ;)
[13:17] <mhb> nope
[13:18] <smarter> It uses inkscape to generate the png, can it uses ksvgtopng?
[13:22] <alleeHol> Hobbsee: thx
[13:22] <mhb> smarter: hmm, I guess Inkscape is a safer choice.
[13:30] <apachelogger_> smarter: no
[13:30] <apachelogger_> can't use ksvgtopng
[13:30] <smarter> ok
[13:31] <apachelogger_> smarter: btw, you probably will have to write a script to create a snapshot tar.gz
[13:31] <smarter> apachelogger_: why should I create a tar.gz?
[13:31] <apachelogger_> smarter: how do you want to package it without?
[13:32] <smarter> I type make, then cp cursors/* /usr/share/icons and that's it
[13:32] <apachelogger_> smarter: _package_
[13:32] <smarter> so I just need to put this in debian/rules
[13:32] <apachelogger_> smarter: where do you get the source from?
[13:32] <smarter> apachelogger_: git
[13:33] <apachelogger_> so
[13:33] <apachelogger_> you need to create a solution to update the checkout
[13:33] <apachelogger_> hence create a tar.gz
[13:33] <apachelogger_> because only native packages can go without orig.tar.gz
[13:34] <smarter> I thought I'll just remove .git and create the tarball
[13:34] <smarter> If i make a script, where should I put it?
[13:34] <apachelogger_> in the debian dir
[13:34] <smarter> okay
[13:34] <apachelogger_> you can also create a get-orig-source rule in debian/rules, but script is probably easier to do
[13:35] <apachelogger_> just needs to git clone, remove the .git and tar it up
[13:35]  * apachelogger_ updates kdeedu
[13:35] <smarter> I'll do that
[13:35] <apachelogger_> smarter: cool :)
[13:36] <apachelogger_> stdin: btw, kde4 is missing a dep on kdeedu-kde4
[13:37] <stdin> apachelogger_: kde4 depends on kde4-amusements, which depends on kdeedu-kde4
[13:38] <_StefanS_> I was just wondering, anyone have the xorg settings for nvidia to enable effects under kde4 ?
[13:39] <stdin> _StefanS_: http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/kwin/COMPOSITE_HOWTO
[13:39] <apachelogger_> stdin: ok
[13:39] <_StefanS_> stdin: thanks
[13:39] <apachelogger_> bah
[13:39]  * apachelogger_ svn co's kiten
[13:39] <_StefanS_> hey Tonio_
[13:40] <Tonio_> hey _StefanS_
[13:42]  * apachelogger_ commits fixed icon installation to kiten
[13:42] <_StefanS_> I wish we could do without xorg.conf, and leave it to autodetect everything... seems unlikely at the moment though
[13:43] <mhb> _StefanS_: all in due time
[13:44] <_StefanS_> mhb: yes, I sure hope so.. its already been stripped down a bit the past years, but time will tell I guess.
[13:44] <_StefanS_> going kde4... brb.
[13:45] <apachelogger_> stdin: btw, I think we should work on a different configuration solution ... .kde4 isn't precisely a good thing, considering kde 4 is default in hardy
[13:45] <apachelogger_> makes one unbelivable pita
[13:45] <apachelogger_> for upgrading
[13:46] <stdin> apachelogger_: the "kde4-*" packages are really just there to replace the kde3 versions "kde-*"
[13:46] <stdin> we could/should make a kubuntu specific meta-package
[13:46] <apachelogger_> stdin: nah, I mean for the configuration storage
[13:46] <mhb> apachelogger_: is KDE4 even ready to import original .kde3 config files?
[13:47] <apachelogger_> right now it's $HOME/.kde for kde3 and $HOME/.kde4 for kde4
[13:47] <stdin> ahh, right
[13:47] <apachelogger_> mhb: I don't know
[13:47] <apachelogger_> honestly I don't care
[13:47] <apachelogger_> I'm worried about KDE 4 upgrades
[13:47] <apachelogger_> because
[13:47] <apachelogger_> if we go with .kde4 for hardy
[13:47] <apachelogger_> we will have to patch KDE until KDE 5 gets out
[13:48] <mhb> like we haven't patched KDE3 at all :o) but I see your point
[13:51] <apachelogger_> I think we should patch .kde3
[13:52] <apachelogger_> maybe add some cp -rf .kde .kde3 when the startkde for KDE4 is initated the first time
[13:52]  * apachelogger_ takes the stress ball for a walk
[13:54] <ScottK> apachelogger_: Are you going to do the regression testing to ensure that doesn't break anything?
[13:59] <apachelogger_> ScottK: what could this possible break?
[13:59] <apachelogger_> mhb: do you think a migration wizard would be too bloated? :P
[14:00] <mhb> apachelogger_: nay
[14:00] <apachelogger_> like blah, a kde3 configuration set has been detected, do you want to reuse it for kde3 applications, dump it or let apps try to migrate them
[14:00] <mhb> apachelogger_: wizard's are Riddell's expertise
[14:00] <apachelogger_> hrrhr :D
[14:00] <apachelogger_> +r
[14:02] <smarter> and the same for kde3: ".kde contains kde4 configuration, do you want to use .kde3?"
[14:02] <apachelogger_> nah
[14:02] <apachelogger_> we patch kdelibs to use .kde3 for kde3
[14:03] <apachelogger_> just what we do now for kde4 the other way round
[14:03] <apachelogger_> if a user starts kde3 we just cp -rf to .kde3
[14:12] <Mez> omgwtfbbq.
[14:12] <Mez> why do gtk need to have a gboolean type?
[14:13] <apachelogger_> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/img045.jpg
[14:14] <Nightrose> apachelogger_: you should give the option to make a backup no matter what is choosen
[14:22] <ScottK> apachelogger_: Are there any KDE3 apps that are hardcoded to look in .kde?  If you answer no, then tell me how you know that?
[14:26] <apachelogger_> ScottK: no, if they do they aren't KDE apps
[14:26] <ScottK> apachelogger_: Or buggy ones.
[14:26] <apachelogger_> that's the most basic freature of configuration stoarge ;-)
[14:27] <ScottK> Yes and it's not unknown for programs to have bugs due to relying on basic things they shouldn't rely on.
[14:27] <apachelogger_> ScottK: so you think we should test the zillions of KDE software ;-)
[14:27] <ScottK> apachelogger_: If you're going to move .kde to .kde3, yes.
[14:27] <apachelogger_> cool thing
[14:27] <ScottK> KDE3 is your stable foundation for people to do work on, don't take risks with it.
[14:27]  * apachelogger_ hereby proposes to remove KDE 3 completely
[14:28]  * ScottK goe and installs opensuse then.
[14:28] <ScottK> BTW, if it's easy to move .kde to .kde3, why isn't it just as easy to move .kde4 to .kde when the time comes?
[14:29] <apachelogger_> ScottK: because when the time comes it's move .kde4 to .kde and .kde to .kde3
[14:30] <apachelogger_> anyway
[14:30] <apachelogger_> the thing is
[14:30] <apachelogger_> ScottK: the change to .kde3 would only cause problems if another app uses a 3rd apps config
[14:30] <apachelogger_> s/users/accesses
[14:30] <Hobbsee> and there's no guarentee that the configs are compatible
[14:31] <ScottK> Which are all very good reasons not to be messing with KDE3 configs in Hardy.
[14:31] <bddebian> Heya
[14:32] <apachelogger_> ScottK: IMO the scenario of regression is _highly_ impossible
[14:32] <apachelogger_> as saied, a really problem would be if another app access another app's config
[14:32] <apachelogger_> and doing that yourself instead of abusing kdelibs is more work
[14:32] <apachelogger_> so none would have done that
[14:33] <apachelogger_> if the app writes it's own config statically to .kde
[14:33] <apachelogger_> it's a problem either way
[14:33] <apachelogger_> because if you start the KDE 4 port, it will do it, and if you start the KDE 3 port it will do it as well
[14:33] <apachelogger_> so we can't influence it at all
[14:34] <apachelogger_> but I agree, regression testing is most important for the whole transition process
[14:34] <wesley_> there are daily kde4 updates it seems
[14:35] <apachelogger_> pretty much
[14:35] <wesley_> theres one from kopete and plasma
[14:35] <apachelogger_> Nightrose: maybe some checkbox - "Create a compressed backup package"
[14:35] <Nightrose> apachelogger_: jep something like that
[14:42] <apachelogger_> Nightrose: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/img046.jpg
[14:42] <apachelogger_> like this?
[14:43] <Nightrose> apachelogger_: nicely :) - maybe some indication where it gets saved to?
[14:43] <Nightrose> I assume home
[14:45]  * apachelogger_ would go for Desktop
[14:45] <apachelogger_> most visible after login
[14:46] <Nightrose> hmm fine as well I think - just indicate somehow where it is
[14:47] <apachelogger_> Nightrose: in a tooltip
[14:47] <Nightrose> ok
[14:47] <apachelogger_> everything else bloats the gui and mhb will punch me again
[14:47] <Nightrose> hihi
[14:48] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger_: Hope you don't leave the third option to 'ony'
[14:49] <apachelogger_> lol
[14:49] <apachelogger_> Artemis_Fowl: just a mockup :D
[14:49] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger_: :-)
[14:49] <mhb> apachelogger_: I'm fine as long as Riddell approves it
[14:50] <apachelogger_> well, needs some improvement
[14:50] <apachelogger_> logo somewhere maybe
[14:52] <xRaich[o]2x> stacked widgets could be nice. for step by step migration. or is this too much?
[14:53] <apachelogger_> xRaich[o]2x: the options on the screenshot are really everything we want/need to do
[14:53] <apachelogger_> we can't influence the actual configuration migration
[14:56] <xRaich[o]2x> hm k
[15:01]  * apachelogger_ kicks kiten
[15:01] <apachelogger_> that app has been made to annoy me
[15:01]  * apachelogger_ assumes Nightrose is responsible for this
[15:01] <manchicken> Sun is going to buy MySQL.  What is the world coming to?
[15:01] <xRaich[o]2x> kiten bakka desuka?
[15:02] <Nightrose> apachelogger_: right - I only did that for you honey cause I know you like it :P
[15:02] <apachelogger_> manchicken: they need at least one useable software :P
[15:02] <apachelogger_> Nightrose: bah
[15:03] <manchicken> apachelogger_: I suppose.  At least they didn't buy postgresql.  It'd be a shame if they pulled a real dbms out of Free Software.
[15:03] <apachelogger_> lol
[15:03] <apachelogger_> -.-
[15:04] <apachelogger_> deb creation for kdeedu takes almost as long as compiling
[15:32] <apachelogger__> hm
[15:32] <apachelogger__> my english sounds kinda cool today
[15:32] <apachelogger__> paste something so that somewhere else can take a look
[15:32] <apachelogger__> sounds reasonable, doesn't it :P
[15:32]  * apachelogger__ needs more sleep
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[15:33] <apachelogger> ScottK: about your comment on libksquirrel - nixternal and I came to agree that including useless manpages doesn't make any sense, and for the bins in that package they are useless
[15:34] <ScottK> apachelogger: OK.  Debian policy doesn't discriminate.  I'd suggest writing a very simple one.
[15:35] <apachelogger> -.-
[15:36] <ScottK> Not quite that simple.
[15:36] <apachelogger> well
[15:36] <apachelogger> there ain't much to write
[15:36] <apachelogger> app name
[15:36] <apachelogger> description
[15:36] <apachelogger> bin name
[15:37] <apachelogger> copyright holder
[15:37] <apachelogger> homepage maybe
[15:37] <ScottK> Any options you can give it when you run it?
[15:37] <apachelogger> nope
[15:37] <apachelogger> well, for one I think, but I never tried whether this actually works
[15:37] <ScottK> Fixing Riddell's FTBFS would be a nice feature for the package too ;-)
[15:37] <apachelogger> also these bins aren't for any use to anyone
[15:38] <ScottK> Well test and document that then.
[15:38] <apachelogger> yeah
[15:38]  * apachelogger is kinda busy with kde4 though
[15:38] <ScottK> It's FOSS, you can't control or predict how it will be used.  Better it be documented.
[15:39] <apachelogger> ScottK: pretty much my point, since it has a source anyone would use that and not introduce a dep on libksquirrel ;-)
[15:39] <apachelogger> anyway, I'll add the manpages
[15:39] <ScottK> Great.  Once you fix the FTBFS, ping me and I'll look at it.
[15:39] <apachelogger> yep
[16:14] <emonkey> ryanakca, news about the mockup is out since lunchtime (europe)
[16:14] <emonkey> http://www.kubuntu-de.org/nachrichten/kubuntu/design-wettbewerb-f-r-kubuntu-org-l-uft-bis-02-02-08
[17:24] <mhb> jpatrick: are you making minutes from the last meeting, too?
[17:24] <jpatrick> mhb: seeing as no one reads them => no
[17:25] <smarter> I read them :}
[17:25] <mhb> jpatrick: what's that?
[17:25] <mhb> jpatrick: I read them *all* the time
[17:25] <Nightrose> jpatrick: I read them as well
[17:25] <mhb> even though I've been on most of the meetings :o)
[17:25] <jpatrick> I got the feeling from kubuntu-users that noone bothered with them
[17:26] <jpatrick> I will do it ;) and always will
[17:27] <mhb> I'm not sure a ML with topics like "Alternatives to Kubuntu" is really representative
[17:27] <mhb> I am sorry that I haven't paid more attention at the last one ...
[17:27] <mhb> have you/we decided to have a #kubuntu-kde4 channel?
[17:28] <jpatrick> we have it
[17:28] <mhb> I know we do now
[17:28] <mhb> but it was quite a hot topic at the yesterday's IRC meeting
[17:28] <mhb> many people are against it
[17:28] <mhb> and I must have missed the part when we talked about it, so I'm asking
[17:29] <jpatrick> well Hobbsee pulled out her Kubuntu Council shotgun when the IRC council shut it down
[17:31] <mhb> so we haven't really talked about it as a team, or have we?
[17:31] <claydoh> jpatrick: I read thje minutes, I can't usually make it to the meetings
[17:31]  * mhb honestly doesn't know
[17:32] <jpatrick> we did at the meeting and the vote got though by one
[17:32] <mhb> ah
[17:32] <mhb> well, I guess I should continue what I'm doing now
[17:32] <claydoh> and , at least for those that actually post in k -u- ml, well i dunno
[17:33] <jpatrick> claydoh: don't worry, I'll keep doing them and I'm the one that posts them ;)
[17:33] <claydoh> sweet
[17:33] <mhb> not pay attention to the issue and let the chips fall where they may
[17:33] <claydoh> and thank you
[17:33] <mhb> yes, thanks
[17:33] <claydoh> that was the one good post to the list lately
[17:33] <jpatrick> but it seems kubuntu-users people can't read them
[17:34] <jpatrick> otherwise we wouldn't have this useless Kubuntu LTS thread
[17:34] <smarter> I just finished packaging oxygen cursors theme =)
[17:34] <jpatrick> smarter: w00t
[17:34] <nixternal> ooh? how are they looking?
[17:35] <smarter> nice
[17:35] <smarter> available here: http://ppa.launchpad.net/smarter/ubuntu/pool/main/o/oxygen-cursors-theme/ (the ppa3.1 when they will be uploaded)
[17:36] <jpatrick> nixternal: you upload? or should I?
[17:36] <smarter> I've made two packages: one with the white, yellow and green cursors and another one with the tons of others colors :}
[17:36] <smarter> oxygen-cursors-theme and oxygen-cursors-theme-extra
[17:37] <jpatrick> smarter: ~ppa3 still need building?
[17:37] <smarter> the latest one is ~ppa3.1
[17:37] <smarter> which is not even uploaded :)
[17:38] <jpatrick> mhb: oh, wait, you wanted the last meeting minutes?
[17:38] <smarter> I messed up and made ~ppa3 for gutsy ^^'
[17:39] <mhb> jpatrick: well, sure.
[17:39] <mhb> jpatrick: but I can dig up the logs
[17:39] <mhb> jpatrick: don't bother
[17:39] <jpatrick> mhb: http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~jpatrick/minutes/
[17:39] <jpatrick> mhb: first on the list :)
[17:40] <jpatrick> not much details, but...
[17:40] <smarter> ppa3.1 are uploaded in my PPA
[17:43] <jpatrick> smarter: ok, I'll test the package and shove it into universe
[17:43] <smarter> the version number is 0git080116, I don't know if it's the correct way for unreleased programs
[17:43] <smarter> ffmpeg use 0.cvs2007xxxxx
[17:44] <jpatrick> smarter: 0~git20080116-0ubuntu1 would be better
[17:45] <smarter> jpatrick: okay, you'll do the change?
[17:45] <jpatrick> maybe 4.0.0~....
[17:45] <mhb> jpatrick: thanks
[17:45] <jpatrick> seeing as that's kde-icons-oxygen's version
[17:45] <jpatrick> smarter: yes
[17:45] <jpatrick> mhb: yw
[17:46] <apachelogger_> hmmmm
[17:46] <jpatrick> Riddell: could we upload oxygen-cursors-theme?
[17:46] <apachelogger_> smarter: I vote for 0.1~git.....
[17:46] <apachelogger_> smarter: teh diff isn't clean
[17:47] <apachelogger_> ...meaning there is quite some junk left by clean
[17:47] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: on the off chance that upstream releases a 0.0 version ;)
[17:47] <smarter> jpatrick: you'll also need to update debian/create-orig-from-git
[17:47] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: ~git would still be <
[17:47] <apachelogger_> actually
[17:47] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: I said that ;)
[17:47] <apachelogger_> I'd like to have it in revu
[17:47] <jpatrick> good point
[17:48] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: but would upstream mind?
[17:48]  * apachelogger_ needs more time to revu
[17:48] <apachelogger_> have to head off for a meeting
[17:48] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: ruphy in #oxygen
[17:48] <mhb> umm
[17:48] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: I'm on it
[17:48] <mhb> I hate to bother you again, but shouldn't it be oxygen-cursor-theme?
[17:48] <apachelogger_> actually I think ruphy should import it into kde svn before we release something
[17:48] <jpatrick> smarter: can you upload to revu?
[17:49] <jpatrick> mhb: I vote for kde-cursors-theme-oxygen
[17:49] <mhb> there's no package called "*cursors-theme" but there are "dmz-cursor-theme" "chameleon-cursor-theme"
[17:49] <smarter> mhb: there's human-cursors-theme
[17:49] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: themes aren't desktop depending
[17:49] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: he's not there!
[17:49] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: well, I will talk to him
[17:49] <mhb> smarter: is there?
[17:49] <apachelogger_> smarter: go with cursor-theme
[17:49] <smarter> I can upload to revu, even if I've never done it ;)
[17:50] <apachelogger_> it's more common
[17:50] <mhb> hmm, apt-cache search can't find it
[17:50] <smarter> apachelogger_: ok
[17:50] <smarter> I'll remove the junk in the diff
[17:50] <jpatrick> smarter: is your key in revu keythingy?
[17:50] <smarter> jpatrick: I think so
[17:50] <apachelogger_> just stick the stuff in revu, I'll have a look at it in ~12 hours and talk to ruphy about releasing
[17:51] <apachelogger_> if it's ok I'll push it to universe
[17:51] <jpatrick> smarter: yeah, it is; dput revu .changes
[17:51] <smarter> so oxygen-cursor-theme-0.1~git080116 ?
[17:52] <smarter> -0ubuntu1
[17:52] <jpatrick> yes
[17:53] <apachelogger_> maintainer should be ubuntu motu
[17:53] <smarter> ok
[17:53] <apachelogger_> everything I can complain about on first sight
[17:53] <apachelogger_> will have a look at it tomorrow
[17:53]  * apachelogger_ heads off for a meeting
[17:53] <apachelogger_> smell you later :P
[17:54] <smarter> So I put myself as "Uploader"?
[17:54] <jpatrick> not needed
[18:01] <smarter> uploaded ;)
[18:02] <jpatrick> let me see...
[18:12] <ScottK> smarter and apachelogger_: Maintainer should probably be Kubuntu Developers
[18:13] <jpatrick> smarter: Homepage under Standards-Version could be good too :)
[18:13] <smarter> jpatrick: yes
[18:13] <smarter> there's a problem with the version I uploaded to revu
[18:13] <smarter> the /usr/share/icons/oxy-* directories are empty :/
[18:14] <smarter> oh I see why
[18:14] <smarter> i forgot to rename the oxygen-cursors-* files ...
[18:14] <smarter> so I put Kubuntu Developers as maintener?
[18:15] <jpatrick> smarter: "is licensed under the GPLv3" and not: (at your option) any later version? :)
[18:15] <ScottK> And you can put yourself as XSBC-Original-Maintainer: (I think that's it) if you want.
[18:15] <smarter> jpatrick: I just copy-pasted the LICENSE file
[18:15] <ScottK> And use The kubuntu-devel ML for the maintainer mailing address.
[18:16] <jpatrick> smarter: ok :)
[18:17] <smarter> for the homepage I put ruphy's blog or the git repository?
[18:18] <jpatrick> oxygen-icons.org/ ?
[18:19] <smarter> jpatrick: good idea ;)
[18:22] <smarter> jpatrick: Now, I just have to debuild -S and upload or should I make a new revision?
[18:23] <jpatrick> smarter: no
[18:23] <jpatrick> smarter: new revision is just if it's in ubuntu
[18:23] <smarter> revu handle packages with same revisions?
[18:24] <stdin> yes, revu will keep track of uploads itself
[18:24] <DSW_ZeRo_84745> Hallo
[18:24] <smarter> stdin: ok, thanks
[18:24] <jpatrick> hello DSW_ZeRo_84745
[18:24] <DSW_ZeRo_84745> hi
[18:24] <nixternal> shouldn't the icons go into /usr/lib/kde4/share/icons?
[18:25] <smarter> "Checksum doesn't match for /home/smarter/Builds/oxygen/oxygen-cursor-theme_0.1~git080116-0ubuntu1.dsc"
[18:25] <smarter> hu?
[18:25] <jpatrick> smarter: try debuild -S -sa-ing it again
[18:26] <smarter> nixternal: no, 'cause it's not kde4-specific
[18:26] <smarter> people using kde3 may want to use it
[18:26] <nixternal> I thought just like the Oxygen Icons you couldn't use them in KDE 3...hey, learning something new every day
[18:26] <smarter> jpatrick: doesn't work :/
[18:26] <nixternal> thought they went through a naming rechange as well
[18:27] <smarter> they work fine on my kde3 box
[18:27] <nixternal> when are they supposed to be released officially?
[18:28] <mhb> nixternal: aren't they already?
[18:28] <smarter> nixternal: apachelogger said that he will talk to ruphy about releasing
[18:28] <nixternal> they aren't in kdelibs with the rest of the Oxygen theme stuff
[18:28] <mhb> nixternal: I'm pretty sure you're free to use them wherever you want
[18:29] <smarter> there's already a tarball on ruphy's blog
[18:29] <nixternal> no, reason I am asking is because when they do get released, they will become a part of the kdelibs package
[18:29] <mhb> ah
[18:31] <jpatrick> smarter: sweet, package works
[18:32] <smarter> jpatrick: I didn't uploaded the fixed version
[18:32] <smarter> oh it worked
[18:33] <jpatrick> smarter: I'm using the ~ppa3 one
[18:33] <smarter> jpatrick: ok
[18:33] <smarter> I think I managed to upload a new version to revu
[18:34] <smarter> nah, it still says checksum doesn't match :/
[18:34] <jpatrick> evil :/
[18:35] <smarter> I removed everything but .orig.tar.gz and the directory and it worked :}
[18:35] <smarter> bbl
[19:27] <smarter> Since I install kde4 packages, kde3 launch by default kde4 apps
[19:27] <smarter> for example, if I click on a link in Konversation it will open in konqueror4
[19:28] <jpatrick> yep, known bug :(
[19:28] <smarter> At least, it forces me to use more kde4 apps :P
[19:28]  * jpatrick just uses KDE4
[19:29] <smarter> I'll use it if it was faster
[19:30]  * stdin should run "sudo apt-get update" more
[19:30] <stdin> Fetched 17.1MB in 1min6s (257kB/s)
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[21:05] <ryanakca> mhb: "11:14:44 #kubuntu-devel: < emonkey> ryanakca, news about the mockup is out since lunchtime (europe)"
[21:05] <emonkey> hm?
[21:05] <ryanakca> emonkey: ping, was the blurb you sent your people in german? or could you also forward it to ubuntu-weekly news?
[21:06] <ryanakca> emonkey: this morning he told me "07:38:35 #kubuntu-devel: < mhb> ryanakca: I get the feeling that the message did not get to many interested ears"
[21:06] <ryanakca> emonkey: so I showed him what you told me :)
[21:06] <emonkey> ryanakca, yes its in german
[21:06] <erable> Hi,
[21:07] <ryanakca> emonkey: ok, I'll write one up myself then
[21:07] <erable> I have a problem with my package on Hardy: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=qdevelop
[21:08] <emonkey> ryanakca, maybe you could ask txwikinger, but my english is too bad to do it. and beside, I've got exams atm, so I try to learn as much as possible and not to do other things ...
[21:09] <ryanakca> hehe, I'm in the same situation, exams next week and the week after :)
[21:09] <ryanakca> will to
[21:09] <txwikinger> yes?
[21:09] <ryanakca> s/to/do/
[21:09] <erable> qdevelop depends sqlite
[21:09] <erable> On gutsy, libqt4-dev require libqt4-sql and libqt4-sql require sqlite:
[21:09] <ryanakca> txwikinger: umm, mind translating the blurb that emonkey wrote for the news?
[21:10] <txwikinger> if it is not too long... I am not feeling too well atm
[21:10] <txwikinger> where is it?
[21:10] <emonkey> ryanakca, I didn't write anything I jsut asked if someone could do it ;)
[21:10] <ryanakca> emonkey: ?
[21:10] <emonkey> ryanakca, our news team wrote it
[21:10] <ryanakca> (I don't read / understand german, so I'd be at loss as to where to find it... link for txwikinger ... )
[21:10] <emonkey> I only asked them
[21:11] <emonkey> txwikinger, er meint das mockup news auf unserer Seite
[21:11] <emonkey> er will es an den UWN senden
[21:11] <txwikinger> Designer Wettbewerb?
[21:11] <emonkey> jap
[21:11] <txwikinger> ah ok
[21:11] <mhb> ich kann's auch machen
[21:11] <emonkey> txwikinger, ich kann es sonst morgen versuchen, aber mein english ist naja
[21:12] <txwikinger> ryanakca: how shall I get it to you, or should I just insert it to the UWN?
[21:12] <ryanakca> txwikinger: either or, whichever is easiest for you ;)
[21:12] <txwikinger> I can put it into the UWN
[21:12] <ryanakca> txwikinger: okies, thanks a lot :)
[21:12] <txwikinger> However, I suggest that it refers back to the article in kubuntu.org
[21:13] <txwikinger> for the image etc
[21:13] <ryanakca> Riddell: Hmm... I don't suppose the mockup contest would be considered newsworthy enough for kubuntu.org?
[21:13] <mhb> ryanakca: you could try the artwork team, but those people are often very bike-shedding
[21:13] <ryanakca> bike-shedding?
[21:13] <mhb> meaning they start arguing over some minor detail or the fact that it is not Kubuntu and in the end nothing gets done
[21:13] <mhb> err, it is not Ubuntu
[21:14] <ryanakca> ah
[21:14] <mhb> but it's worth a try I guess
[21:14] <txwikinger> I heard that the art team has nothing to do with art ;)
[21:15] <mhb> txwikinger: they submit mockups quite often
[21:15] <mhb> very few of them gets implemented
[21:15]  * ryanakca nods ...
[21:15] <txwikinger> well.. I don't know.. I just heard
[21:15] <ryanakca> anything artwork related tends to result in a lot of bickering :)
[21:16] <txwikinger> I guess the best is to create the article in english on kubuntu-de.org and to write a summary for UWN
[21:16] <ryanakca> txwikinger: sure. You can find the original here http://blog.ryanak.ca/archives/44
[21:16] <txwikinger> this can also be announced on kubuntu.org then
[21:16]  * ryanakca nods
[21:17] <txwikinger> ok thanks
[21:48] <apachelogger_> re
[21:48] <apachelogger_> <-- slightly drunk :P
[21:48] <Nightrose> wb :)
[21:48] <apachelogger_> thx
[21:49] <emonkey> apachelogger_, sansgrüsst
[21:49] <apachelogger_> ScottK: nope, that set is aimed to be desktop independant, so it make sense to have ubuntu motu as maintainer... also ruphy is working on a fdo cursor spec
[21:49] <apachelogger_> emonkey: servas
[21:50] <ScottK> apachelogger_: OK then MOTU it is.
[21:52] <apachelogger_> hm
[21:52] <apachelogger_> somehow smarter didn't upload the orig.tar.gz :|
[22:10] <mhb> ryanakca: ping
[22:10] <ryanakca> pong
[22:10] <coreymon77> blah
[22:11] <mhb> ryanakca: you wouldn't mind if I made a mockup too, right?
[22:11] <ryanakca> haha, nope, the more the merrier :)
[22:11] <coreymon77> what are we talking about
[22:12] <ryanakca> coreymon77: Kubuntu Website Mockup Contest, submit your mockups :D
[22:13] <nixternal> what do I win?
[22:13] <nixternal> I mean if I were to win :p
[22:13] <apachelogger_> nixternal: karma
[22:14] <nixternal> hopefully good karma, I need some to alleviate all of the bad karma :)
[22:14] <mhb> nixternal: <blackhumour>the winner gets to die</blackhumour>
[22:14] <nixternal> YES!
[22:14] <apachelogger_> -.-
[22:15] <nixternal> I am down then :)
[22:15]  * apachelogger_ goes on bug hunt
[22:15] <mhb> nixternal: we're all winners in this one
[22:15] <mhb> apachelogger_: catch 'em all!
[22:15] <nixternal> hahaha, sounds like a telethon call
[22:19]  * apachelogger_ doesn't get it
[22:19] <mhb> apachelogger_: you never had it
[22:19] <mhb> .o)
[22:20] <mhb> or was it "I lost it..."
[22:20] <mhb> man
[22:20]  * mhb lost it
[22:20] <apachelogger_> bug 182077 should be fixed in http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=757612
[22:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182077 in kdebase-workspace "multiple desktop-icons in kde4" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182077
[22:22] <apachelogger_> well
[22:22] <apachelogger_> too tired
[22:23]  * apachelogger_ turns off mouse potato mode and turns on couch potato mode
[22:26] <mhb> ryanakca: no, I rather give up
[22:26] <mhb> it's no use
[22:26] <mhb> I never design anything worth noting :o)
[22:28] <mhb> ryanakca: I always end up reinventing what we already have, with just small modifications
[22:45] <crimsun> what is kubuntu 8.04 going to use as the underlying audio substrate?
[22:49] <ryanakca> mhb: ouch
[23:22] <ryanakca> no more "switch user" in hardy?
[23:24] <stdin> huh?
[23:33] <ryanakca> stdin: start, there used to be a switch session, etc
[23:34] <stdin> yes, I still have it
[23:34] <stdin> 3rd option up, after "Log Out..." and "Lock Session"