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Grr. Hate the bastard who picked the weather for today.
Went up to visit a friend overnight (about 45 minute ride).. rode up after
work, only minor drizzing for the last 5 minutes of the ride... rest of the
ride was very zen.
Got up this morning, needed to go home and get some disks & stuff to work
on her computers with, rainy as all hell. Soaked and cold by the time I got
home.
Since I didn't have another set of thermals which were dry, I said "to heck
with it" and drove my cage back up.
Lo and Behold, those funny blue clouds were up in the sky and this warm
yellow thing I haven't seen in quite awhile showed up when I was 10 minutes
into the trip.
And me in my cage. Oh JOY.
Happily, my right hand mirror finally showed up at the dealer (dropped the
bike when I first got it, put on an EMGO replacement mirror... hated it the
entire time that thing was on my bike because I couldn't see a DAMNED thing
through it, plus it's flat instead of convex like the stock mirrors, so you
get a NARROW ANGLE wobbly blur)... And I got a replacement windshield for my
fairing (dropped the original and chipped the front edge... cosmetic but
annoying)... so I spent half an hour happily unscrewing things and replacing
them this afternoon.
'Bout the only thing I still hate about the bike ('75 CB360T) is the damned
"2 D-Cell Flashlight" headlight.
Has anyone seen a good source for ~25 watt halogen passing lights? Since
the charging system on the CB360T can't handle continuous use of a 50W
halogen headlight, I was thinking about putting a couple passing lights
on... that would give me ~70w of lighting for the rare night riding I do,
but wouldn't drain the battery during "normal use" (chiefly day trips and
commuting to work and back)...
| 8rec.motorcycles
|
joe13+@pitt.edu (Joseph B Stiehm) writes:
>
> Come on Boston, where the hell are you? Seven wins in a row and what, choke?
Ah well, another Brian Sutter team is ground into the dirt with intensity
during the regular season and then is burned out by playoff time.
Yah Fuhr has been awesome so far, but really you'd think Sutter would have
learned his lesson about pushing his team too far during the regular season.
Stuart Esrock Bowling Green State U. "How bout them Blues!!!"
| 10rec.sport.hockey
|
In article <C5wqsr.56L@myrddin.imat.com> nelson@seahunt.imat.com (Michael Nelson) writes:
>In article <93Apr20.211127.44984@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>>
>>My chain is lubed, my wheel is clean, after 1000km.
>>
>
> Careful... I was similarly impressed with it at first.
> But recently I have started finding RUST spots on the
> chain.
>
> I went back to PJ1... at least the sucker never rusted
> when I was using the BlueGoo(tm).
Spray the chain wax onto the rollers and sideplates occassionally, and
rust will not be a problem.
Later,
--
Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
| 8rec.motorcycles
|
Forwarded from the Mars Observer Project
MARS OBSERVER STATUS REPORT
April 28, 1993
12:40 PM PDT
Flight Sequence C9 is active as of 00:11 AM, Tuesday, April 27. With
activities beginning at shortly before 5:00 AM yesterday, C9 commanded
the spacecraft to execute a series of slews and rolls to provide the MAG
(Magnetometer) Team data points in varying spacecraft attitudes and
orientations for the purpose of better characterizing the
spacecraft-generated magnetic field and its effect on their instrument.
The spacecraft was commanded back to Sun Star Init state at 9:07 AM to
re-establish Inertial Reference. Transition back to Array Normal Spin
began at 11:17 AM, after which the sequence powered on the on-board
transmitter at 11:18 AM. Telemetry reacquisition occurred at
approximately 11:30 AM at the 4 KBS Science and Engineering downlink
data rate on the High Gain Antenna. Subsystem engineers report that all
systems appear to be nominal. The command to terminate using the Low
Gain Antenna for uplink was sent at 12:31 PM. Uplink and Downlink are
currently via the HGA.
MAG Calibration data has been recorded on Digital Tape Recorders 2 and 3.
Playback of DTR 2 is scheduled to take place tomorrow morning between
8:11 AM and 12:42 PM. Playback of DTR 3 is scheduled to take place
tomorrow evening beginning at 11:57 PM and ending at 4:28 AM on Friday.
DTR playback will be performed via the High Gain Antenna at 42,667 bits
per second. Upon verification of successful DTR playbacks, downlink will
be maintained at the 4K S & E rate.
The MAG Cal activity timeline ends at shortly before 5:00 AM on Friday
morning.
___ _____ ___
/_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
| | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab |
___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | The aweto from New Zealand
/___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | is part caterpillar and
|_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | part vegetable.
| 14sci.space
|
I have an ATI Graph. Ultra Pro VLB w/2 megs, and have a small question
about Graphics Workshop for Windows. When I exit from it it says my
current driver can handle on 32768 colors when I am actually in
1024x768x65000 color mode. Is this a driver problem, a GWS error, or
what? I am using the 1.5(59) driver under Win 3.1. It correctly
states that I can display 16M colors when I switch to 800x600x24bit,
though.
Another question- Anybody know of any Viewers that support this card
other than Windows viewers?
Any help would be appreciated.
| 1comp.graphics
|
Kent Sandvik (sandvik@newton.apple.com) wrote:
: > This is a good point, but I think "average" people do not take up Christianity
: > so much out of fear or escapism, but, quite simply, as a way to improve their
: > social life, or to get more involved with American culture, if they are kids of
: > immigrants for example. Since it is the overwhelming major religion in the
: > Western World (in some form or other), it is simply the choice people take if
: > they are bored and want to do something new with their lives, but not somethong
: > TOO new, or TOO out of the ordinary. Seems a little weak, but as long as it
: > doesn't hurt anybody...
: The social pressure is indeed a very important factor for the majority
: of passive Christians in our world today. In the case of early Christianity
: the promise of a heavenly afterlife, independent of your social status,
: was also a very promising gift (reason slaves and non-Romans accepted
: the religion very rapidly).
If this is a hypothetical proposition, you should say so, if it's
fact, you should cite your sources. If all this is the amateur
sociologist sub-branch of a.a however, it would suffice to alert the
unwary that you are just screwing around ...
Bill
| 0alt.atheism
|
I need the specs on various eprom data formats such as Intel Hex, Motorola S
JEDEC etc.
Can anyone out there provide such info or a pointer to it?
The one I want the most is Intel Hex.
Mike
| 12sci.electronics
|
Cannondale 3.0 Road Bike 56 cm
Bright Blue Color
Dura Ace 8 speed not STI, could be easily converted though.
32 spoke wheelset, clinchers.
Complete Bike $700 or best offer. All offers will be considered
this bike has to go. Desperate times call for desperate measures.
Will consider parting out, write for details.
jay ritchie
jbr1@ra.msstate.edu
| 6misc.forsale
|
First, kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (Hey, that's me!) wrote:
: : I have 19 (2 MB worth!) uuencode'd GIF images contain charts outlining
: : one of the many alternative Space Station designs being considered in
: : Crystal City. [...]
Second, kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (me again) wrote:
: I just posted the GIF files out for anonymous FTP on server ics.uci.edu.
: You can retrieve them from:
: ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode01.gif
: ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode02.gif
: ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode03.gif
: ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode04.gif
: ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode05.gif
: ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode06.gif
: ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode07.gif
: ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode08.gif
: ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode09.gif
: ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode10.gif
: ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode11.gif
: ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode12.gif
: ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode13.gif
: ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode14.gif
: ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode15.gif
: ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode16.gif
: ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode17.gif
: ics.uci.edu:incoming/geodeA.gif
: ics.uci.edu:incoming/geodeB.gif
: The last two are scanned color photos; the others are scanned briefing
: charts.
: These will be deleted by the ics.uci.edu system manager in a few days,
: so now's the time to grab them if you're interested. Sorry it took
: me so long to get these out, but I was trying for the Ames server,
: but it's out of space.
But now I need to clarify the situation. The "/incoming" directory on
ics.uci.edu does NOT allow you to do an "ls" command. The files are
there (I just checked on 04/28/93 at 9:35 CDT), and you can "get" them
(don't forget the "binary" mode!), but you can't "ls" in the
"/incoming" directory.
A further update: Mark's design made the cover of Space News this week
as one of the design alternatives which was rejected. But he's still
in there plugging. I wish him luck -- using ET's as the basis of a
Space Station has been a good idea for a long time.
May the best design win.
-- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office
kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (713) 483-4368
"Good ideas are not adopted automatically. They must be driven into
practice with courageous impatience." -- Admiral Hyman G. Rickover
| 14sci.space
|
Lets not forget
ST == sports touring honda
| 8rec.motorcycles
|
In article <1r21vqINNeb8@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes:
>In article <C5spov.LrE@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby)
>writes:
>> In article <1r0qsrINNc61@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De
>Arras) writes:
>> >In article <C5s0Ds.J54@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby)
>> >writes:
>> >> I agree that they deserved a trial. They had more than 40 days to come
>> >> out and get their trial. They chose to keep the children with them and
>> >> to stay inside. They chose to stay inside even after they were tear
>gassed.
>> >> I do not find these actions rational. Even Noriega was smart enough to
>> >> give up and go for the trial he deserved.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Mr. Roby, you are a government sucking heartless bastard.
>>
>> Unworthy of comment.
>
>But apparently true. My opinion, only, of course.
So, your opinion is truth. I see... :-)
>> >Humans died
>> >yesterday, humans who would not have died if the FBI had not taken the
>> >actions
>> >they did. That is the undeniable truth. I cried for them.
>>
>> Nor would they have died if they had come out with their hands empty.
>> That is undeniable truth.
>
>No, it is not. It is possible the FBI planned for this to happen, and the
>gunfire heard was the FBI keeping the folks inside. I'm not proposing this as
>the way it went down, but just to point out that it's not "undeniable" that if
>they walked out yesterday, they would be alive today.
You can believe that if you wish. It is undeniable, however, that people
have left the compound unharmed and alive earier in the standoff.
And since their leader was preaching that they would have an apocalypse, you
can not say undeniably that there wouldn't have been a mass suicide if the
FBI had simply stayed outside and waited another 51 days.
>> My heart bleeds just as much as yours for
>> the children who were never released given 51 days of ample opportunities
>> to do so. My heart also bleeds for people so blinded by religious devotion
>> to not have the common sense to leave the compound when tanks came up
>> and started dropping in tear gas early in the morning.
>
>My heart "bleeds" for no one. You are the "bleeding heart". And I'm sure
>beyond any possible doubt that you do not feel for those people as I do. You
>can not say the heartless things you have said if you did.
I am the heartless bleeding heart? You are not making sense.
You seem to have no concern that someone would keep children inside this
compound when they had 51 days to let them out. That sounds pretty heartless
to me.
I just heard on the news that some of the survivors regret they hadn't
stayed in the inferno to prove their loyalty to Koresh. This makes me
sad and sick.
>> >You seem to say
>> >they got what they deserved.
>>
>> I do not think this. However, if they did set the fire (which started in
>> more than one place and spread very quickly), then they got what they
>> wanted and put into motion themselves.
>
>"they got what they wanted". What kind of creature are you that you can
>believe this?
Have you ever heard of Jonestown?
The sad thing is the people inside the compound were the authority
worshipers and their only authority was Koresh/Howell. If these
people were able to think for themselves, there would likely be a lot
more survivors today. Koresh preached a fiery apocalypse as early as
last year.
>> I see the BATF is going to be investigated by the Justice Dept. and likely
>> by Arlen Spectre and congress. This is good. They have bungled the affair
>> from the start.
>
>We agree on this. Now lets have your God, the FBI, investigated, too.
By all means, the FBI should be investigated, too.
BTW, I thought the second ammendment was God. :-)
>> >Jim
>> >--
>> >jmd@handheld.com
>>
--
| 16talk.politics.guns
|
Dominic Lai (cs_cylai@cs.ust.hk) wrote:
: Simon Crowe (scrowe@hemel.bull.co.uk) wrote:
: 8~> I require BGI drivers for Super VGA Displays and Super XVGA Displays. Does
: 8~> anyone know where I could obtain the relevant drivers ? (FTP sites ??)
: I would like to know too!
: Regards,
: Dominic
garbo.uwasa.fi (or one of its many mirrors) has a file
called "svgabg40" in the programming subdirectory.
These are svga bgi drivers for a variety of cards.
[from the README]:
"Card types supported: (SuperVGA drivers)
Ahead, ATI, Chips & Tech, Everex, Genoa, Paradise, Oak, Trident (both 8800
and 8900, 9000), Tseng (both 3000 and 4000 chipsets) and Video7.
These drivers will also work on video cards with VESA capability.
The tweaked drivers will work on any register-compatible VGA card."
enjoy,
Clark Verbrugge
clump@cs.mcgill.ca
--
HONK HONK BLAT WAK WAK WAK WAK WAK UNGOW!
| 1comp.graphics
|
In article <1993Apr22.161158.4939@sunova.ssc.gov> qwerty@tunisia.ssc.gov (Kris
Schludermann) writes:
|> I'm having trouble with installing a second IDE drive on a Promise IDE
caching
|> controller. The first drive is a conner 3204 and works fine. The second
drive
|> is a conner 30174, it is currently unjumpered to be the slave drive. The
|> problem is the slave drive is recognized but is reported back as having no
|> free space. Disabling cache has made no effect. What else should I check
for?
|>
|> krispy
did you make the other drive a master drive?
did you partition-&-format?
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
|
In article <C5Dxqp.Hoo@news.rich.bnr.ca>, bratt@crchh7a9.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (John Bratt) writes:
> How about game length? I don't know if this is a valid statement or not,
> but AL games sure seem to last a lot longer.
Make sure to take the Sutcliff, Fisk, ect. factor into account.
--
Russ Anderson | Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect
------------------ upon my employer or anyone else. (c) 1993
EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)
| 9rec.sport.baseball
|
In article <1qsami$3h7@access.digex.net>, dickeney@access.digex.com (Dick Eney)
writes:
>The trouble with trying to find out the truth is that Roehm and his
>buddies were ACCUSED OF being flaming faggots, one of the pretexts for the
>Night of Long Knives in which Roehm and most of the SA wing of the NSDAP
>were purged.
Stop! Hold it! You have a few problems here. Official history says that
the first accusations of homosexuality in the SA came from OUTSIDE of the Nazi
party, long BEFORE the Nazis ever came to power. So this objection is a red
herring, even if established history is wrong on this point. Moreover, none of
the histories I've read ever made mention of Hitler or anyone else ever using
homosexuality as a pretext for purging Roehm. A point I saw reiterated was that
Hitler and the party covered up these accusations. If you are going to accuse
official history of being a fabrication, you should at least get your facts
right. The pretext for purging Roehm was that he was planning to use the SA in
a coup against Hitler. Nowhere is there mention of using allegations of
homosexuality as a pretext for the purge, nor as a justification afterwards (it
is possible that the histories I've read have not mentioned this, but I doubt
it - would it be in Hitler's best interest to admit to the world that his
former right hand man was a homosexual?).
Anyway, as I said before, it is always possible that I have missed references
to the Nazis making use of charges of homosexuality against the SA after the
night of the long knives - but this does not prove that they were false. Even
the Nazis could tell the truth when it was to their advantage. In any case,
this does not deal with accusations of homosexuality in the SA during the
1920's.
>Since the accusers thereafter controlled the records,
>anything bearing on the subject -- true or not -- has to be considered
>tainted evidence.
Ah, yes. I forgot this was being posted to alt.conspiracy. I can smell the
paranoia from here. Since the Nazis never officially charged Roehm with
homosexuality (at least, not according to what I've read), I'd like to know
what tainted "evidence" you are talking about. Since the accusations were made
by persons outside of the Nazi party, long before it came to power, and those
accusations were common knowledge to journalists and others in Germany in the
1920's and 30's, just how would it be possible for the Nazis to go back in
time and plant "tainted" evidence? How exactly does one doctor newspapers
which were circulated around the world, without the discrepancies being
obvious? What actual incidences of Nazi doctoring evidence on this matter
do you know about? And what about the testimony of people who were involved in
these matters, some of whom were not Nazis? And what is the point of making a
false accusation of homosexuality if you do not publicize it? Since the point
here seems to be to discredit established history, then the burden of proof
falls on the revisionist. The revisionists had better do their homework
before making accusations. Otherwise they simply look like conspiracy nuts.
>The available data suggest that Roehm and his crowd,
>the SA -- Sturmabteilung, "Storm Troopers" -- left the world a better
>place when they departed,
This is just about the *only* thing we agree on.
I suspect that the notion that there might have been bad people - Roehm and
his SA buddies - who were homosexuals must disturb some people. The feeling
seems to be that if a nasty individual is accused of homosexuality, that this
must be an attempt to bash homosexuals. This fear - often justified - is what
lies behind this distrust of official history, or so it seems to me. But this
is not a good justification for trashing accepted accounts of this subject. If
you really think that historians are so incompetent, why don't you write them
and ask where they got their sources on this subject, if you can't tell from
their footnotes? I'm a graduate student in history. Writing to professors and
tracking down sources is old hat. But my time is limited and this is not my
specialty - and neither you nor anyone else have said anything that would
cast one shred of doubt on existing evidence. I'm not going to waste my time
trying to debunk someone's paranoia. Do the research yourself.
>but concrete particulars are still no more than
>more or less shrewd guesses.
>-- Diccon Frankborn
Given that you already consider all evidence "tainted", what on earth would
constitute concrete particulars? And since when have concrete particulars been
considered "shrewd guesses"?
I suggest that those who do not trust popular historians (Irving et al) -
historians writing for a popular audience do not, as a rule, provide copious
footnotes - should try instead reading academic historians, who usually
provide footnotes to all their sources in immmense detail. This is the place
to start looking. Assuming that one really wants to know the truth.
I'll bet the folks on alt.pagan are tired of this subject already. My
apologies - we seem to have gone off on a bit of a tangent. I forget which gods
are responsible for keeping strings within appropriate newsgroup subject
boundaries...
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
David Matthew Deane (deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu)
"...Be in me as the eternal moods of the bleak wind...Let the Gods speak softly
of us in days hereafter..." (Ezra Pound)
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
| 19talk.religion.misc
|
In article <C4txEK.FCq@magpie.linknet.com>, manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes:
>Morris the Cat (rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com) wrote:
>
>: Well, as Neal Knox of the Firearms Coalition points out, the full
>: force of the anti-gun ruling class, their multi-millions, their
>: polling organizations, their schools, their news media, their
>: "entertainment" media
>
>The entertainment media... a "force of the anti-gun ruling class"??
>Is this the same media that's made billions producing films and
>television that glorify guns and gun users? Or is that another
>anti-gun media?
>
>You've got to be kidding.
I'm afraid he isn't. They are a hypocritical lot.
Al
[standard disclaimer]
| 16talk.politics.guns
|
In article <May.12.04.29.48.1993.10041@athos.rutgers.edu> JEK@cu.nih.gov writes:
+ I will put enmity between you [the Serpent] and the woman, and
+ between your seed and her seed, she [can also be read he] shall
+ crush your head and you shall bruise her [or his] heel.
+ -Genesis 3.15
In the Hebrew of Genesis 3:15, the gender is clearly masculine.
+ HE shall crush your head, and you shall bruise HIS heel.
The Latin has feminine forms, only by an accident of grammar.
I have yet to see an adequate explanation of St. Jerome's translation
of Genesis 3:15. His Latin clearly uses the feminine, but I don't
know why, since the Hebrew is clearly masculine. If anyone knows of a
scholarly treatment of this puzzle, I would appreciate hearing from
you.
| 15soc.religion.christian
|
1987 ARIENS RIDING LAWN MOWER
This mower is in perfect condition and
contains the following features:
- Electric Start
- 26 inch cut
- Double Rear Baggers
- New Battery
- New Engine (one year old)
- Inflatable Tires (gives nice ride)
- Cushioned Seat (gives nice ride)
- Tuned up and blade sharpened in the
past month
I am moving into a house that has a
small area of grass to cut and does not
require such large mower. The engine was
replaced, not rebuilt, last year due to
some faulty work done by a lawn mower
repair shop.
PRICE: $600.00
PHONE: 908-582-7028 (Day)
609-259-0763 (Nights & Weekends)
| 6misc.forsale
|
I know this isn't the EXACT right place to put this, but im desperate!
I'll be going home for the summer, and wont have direct access to my
VAX account....My problem is, i need a service that doesn't charge body
parts, vital organs, or my first born son, that allows me access to the
internet! All i really need is to be able to TELNET to my school account,
and from there I can do anything I need to do. ANY HELP WILL BE GREATLY
APPRECIATED!!!!!!!!!!!
Please! E-MAIL to DFMORGAN@acs.harding.edu
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
|
In article <May.14.02.11.19.1993.25177@athos.rutgers.edu> seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna (S.M.) Watson) writes:
>In article <May.9.05.39.52.1993.27456@athos.rutgers.edu> jhpb@sarto.budd-lake.nj.us (Joseph H. Buehler) writes:
>[referring to Mary]
>>She was immaculately conceived, and so never subject to Original Sin,
>>but also never committed a personal sin in her whole life. This was
>>possible because of the special degree of grace granted to her by God.
> skipping......
>I don't particularly object to the idea of the assumption, or the
>perpetual virginity (both of which I regard as Catholic dogma about
>which I will agree to disagree with my Catholic brothers and sisters
>in Christ), and I even believe in the virgin birth of Jesus, but
>this concept of Mary's sinlessness seems to me to be at odds with
>the rest of Christian doctrine as I understand it.
The Catholic church has an entirely different view of Mary than do
"most" other Christian churches (those with parallel beliefs
notwithstanding). Christ, by most accounts, is the only sinless
person to ever live. I too, have trouble with a sinless Mary
concept just.
As for the related issue of the "original" sin - only Adam and
Eve will answer for that one. My children do not answer for my sins,
certainly I only answer for mine.
--
Larry Autry
Silicon Graphics, St. Louis
autry@sgi.com
| 15soc.religion.christian
|
I heard a story on the local sports news broadcast in Edmonton.
Oiler owner Peter Pocklington will be holding a press conference
next week. While the exact details are not known, it is believed
to concern the Oiler's future.
Rumour has it that Pocklington signed a tentative lease arrangement
with Copps Collesium in Hamilton. During the press conference,
Pocklington may announce the deal. It is quite possible that
the deal may simply be a way to force Edmonton Northlands to
renegotiate the Oiler lease on the stadium.
Northlands has offered to buy the Oilers for $65 million earlier,
but the offer was rejected immediately by Pocklington.
As for me, my opinion is divided... Edmonton has been fairly
supportive of the Oilers. Even though they're a small market
team, they had many sellouts in the 80s. Even with the problems
that the team had this year, they still brought in more fans
than many teams in larger cities did. On the other hand, if
the team does move, there is no place more deserving than
Hamilton. Of course, how would that affect the grand
realignment scheme of Bettman?
| 10rec.sport.hockey
|
In <1993Apr15.211053.35792@watson.ibm.com> kaul@vnet.ibm.com writes:
>my home Viewsonic 6. I like the Multisyncs because it's easy to run them
>in modes like 800x600x64k colors noninterlaced, or at higher modes like
>1360x1024x16.
Oh yeah! I just got my new Eizo Flexscan yesterday (to replace my old 8515), and
I tried it with 1360x1024. This mode is just great! I can get four perfectly readable
command windows on the screen! And if I need more colors, I can go back to 1024x768
or even 800x600.
One thing I am wondering though: Why isn't there a MONxxxx.DGS file which contains
ALL the resolutions up to 1360x1024? Now I have to change the XGASETUP.PRO every
time I want to switch, instead of simply going through the system settings of OS/2.
Regards, Martin Erzberger
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
|
In article <pebi.735242681@zephyr.aem.umn.edu>, pebi@aem.umn.edu (Peter A. Bidian) writes:
> Hi, I bought a while ago a Cache Card w/ FPU from Techworks. It was 219$.
> I think that was the cheapest I ever saw.
As of last week, Mac's Place had the Applied Engineering QuickSilver card
(32k cache, one PDS slot, socket for FPU) on sale for $99.00 (without FPU).
Regular price is $199.
No idea if this is still going on, but I can get the phone no. if anyone is
interested (I found their ad in MacUser).
-Jim Burmeister (no relation to Mac's Place except as a satisfied customer!)
jimb@csd.harris.com
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware
|
In <1993Apr28.202500.3384@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> lwilson@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
>Can I view JPEG files without special hardware?
>
> Lucy Wilson, Access Services Librarian
> College of Engineering, University of Cincinnati
Yup.
Most JPEG viewers seem to require specific video drivers since they support
only specific video cards. Some have the standard IBM BIOS video support for
the VGA 320x200 256 colour mode, but they leave out the other cards such as
the Hercules monochrome card (which by the way can give very good picture
quality if your dithering works right).
I can't remember the name of a JPEG viewer since I usually convert JPEG's to
GIF's before viewing them. But some require VESA driver for the video cards.
You don't need any special hardware to view JPEG's except perhaps for a VGA
card and maybe a 286+ processor. Most people these days program for 286+
computers and neglect the rest of the 86 processors (8086, 8088). I have a
8088 clone (a NEC V20 processor) and a Hercules card, I have had to write
some programs so that they will view GIF's and animations for the VGA and other
colour graphics boards on my monochrome Hercules card. I use Floyd-Steinberg
dithers and have found that if one does something neat with the colour palette
the resulting dithered image gives much greater detail than it normally would
when viewed on other monochrome systems. CompuShow 8.50 has FS dithering but
it does the standard thing with the image palette before dithering, my way
gives a brighter more detailed image.
Anyway, enough of my rambling in the wrong direction. The final point is, as
far as I know, you don't need extra hardware to view JPEG's other than the
VGA (and perhaps a 286 or better)
Have a day!
Gerry.
| 1comp.graphics
|
You can also swab the inside of your nose with Bacitracin using a
Q tip. Bacitracin is an antibiotic that can be bought OTC as an
ointment in a tube. The doctor I listen to on the radio says to apply
it for 30 days, while you are taking other antibiotics by mouth.
| 13sci.med
|
Ok, I have a problem that I thought you guys/gals might know about....
I'm running a 286dx-25 with a 85mb hdd. I also have windows 3.1, but
hardly any dos application will run out it. Also, when I do a "mem"
command, it says that I have used up 58kb out of 640kb of conventional
memory, zero from upper level memory, and all 385kb of my ems memory.
And to top it off, I can't load any device drivers into upper memory.
Do I just need more memory? Also, why would it use up ems memory instead
of upper memory?
Please reply by e-mail only to : wes1574@tamvenus.tamu.edu
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Bill Scrivener | "It's not the first time that you
Texas A&M University | sleep with a woman that matters,
College Station, Texas | but the first time
email: wes1574@tamvenus.tamu.edu | you wake up with her."
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| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc
|
In article <C5DHtF.D7p@news.rich.bnr.ca> gal@bnr.ca (Gene Lavergne) writes:
>I really gives me pause to ask this:
>
>When I first heard of Windows-NT I was surprised by the name because
>it immediately occurred to me that it sounds like a Northern Telecom
>product. Did anyone else notice that?
>
>By the way, BNR (see address below) is an R&D subsidiary of NT. See
>what I mean?
>
>| gal@bnr.ca (Gene A. Lavergne) | In all of opera, I most identify |
>| ESN 444-4842 / (214) 684-4842 | with the character of Elektra. |
>| PO Box 851986, Richardson, TX | That often worries me. |
>| USA 75085-1986 | Opinions expressed here are mine and not BNR's. |
Windows NT or WNT can also be derived by the next letter in the alphabet
of VMS - same as HAL and IBM. You might recall that the chief architect
of VMS is also chief designer of WNT.
Rajiev Gupta
--
Rajiev GUPTA Eurocontrol - CFMU Disclaimer:
rajiev@cfmu.eurocontrol.be Rue de la Loi 72 These are *my* views,
Tel: +32 2 729 33 12 B-1040 BRUXELLES not my companies.
Fax: +32 2 729 32 16 Belgium
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc
|
rubble@leland.Stanford.EDU (Adam Heath Clark) writes:
> It seems a very large part of Christianity is based on the notion that
>it is the _right_ religion, and that just about any other way of looking at
>the universe is flat-out wrong. In the old days we had the Inquisition and the
>burning of heretics; now we have Pat Buchanan trying to start some cultural
>war because he can't stand to live in the same country as all these other,
>non-"God fearing" people.
its a survival trait. there are only a fixed number of resources (people)
for religions to inhabit. the doctrines of intolerance and not using
birth control are devices whereby the meme of the (capital-R) Religion
of Christianity gains a larger share of the population than its memetic
competitors.
| 0alt.atheism
|
Sorry for the frequency of the posting (I'm in a time crunch).
I'm selling my toys so I can afford a house :_(
-Amiga 4000/040
-25 MHz 68040 (built in FPU/MMU)
-18 megs of RAM, 2 megs of video RAM, expandable to 2 gigabytes
-A2091 SCSI controller
-Fujitsu 520M 3.5" SCSI drive, 12ms, 3 years warranty
-1 year of on-site service remaining
-$3000 OBO
-Epson ES300C full page 600DPI, 24 bit color scanner w/sware and ADPro loader
-software (standalone and ADPro loader)
-docs
-cable
-$850
-Supra FAXmodem V.32 bis, 14.4K, latest ROMs
-$205
-SCSI CD-ROM drive, 400ms, internal
-$225
-Mitsubishi DiamondScan AUM1371 14" multisync 15-38 KHz, 30-90Hz
-analog RGB, TTL, video inputs
-$275
-All of the above, $3900 OBO ($2000 less than original)
-Amiga 2500/040 Toaster system
-Amiga 2500
-Zeus 28MHz 68040 (FPU and MMU built in), 1 year warranty
-16 megs of RAM
-1 meg of video memory
-Quantum PRODRIVE 100, 100M SCSI drive
-2 Personal TBC II, time base correctors (S-video and composite), docs, sware
-Video Toaster 2.0 with lots of fonts and objects and ToasterVision
-ToasterVision, AREXX sequencing, Toaster croutons, framestore compress, ...
-instructional video
-SCSI CD-ROM drive
-Sony SLVR5UC SVHS VCR, new, warranty,
-2 A1080 color RGB/composite/YC monitors
-Pioneer video disc player, CLD980, RF in/out, composite out
-rock solid sync generator, multi-format video disc players, CD
-$6900 OBO
I will parcel this stuff out if necessary (please send offers :_(
-Meade 826C 8" Newtonian reflector telescope
-8" aperture, f/6
-very heavy duty mount
-clock drive
-dual axis corrector with joystick and AC or DC drive
-fiberglassed tube for a bit more strength
-2 finder scopes
-1 8X50mm finder scope
-1 60mm finder scope with diagonal holder and 9mm eyepiece
-2" barrel for 2" eyepieces (includes adapter for 1.25" eyepieces)
-1 25mm 1.25" eyepiece
-1 9mm or 7mm 1.25" eyepiece, take your pick, both for $30 more
-manuals
-it needs to be collimated, but is otherwise in superb condition
-$775 (I'd really prefer to sell locally due to its size)
-Maxtor 8760S, 680 meg (formatted), 5.25" FH, 16ms
-$625
-$695 in Sun shoebox
-All software listed below is for the Amiga. Comes with boxes, diskettes,
manuals and in many cases are unopened, containing registration cards.
-Mean 18 golf
-$10
-Greg Norman's Shark Attack
-$10
-Superstar Ice Hockey
-$10
-Jack Nicklaus
-$10
-Microbot 3D Design Disk
-$10
-PGA tour golf
-$10
-Renegade
-$10
-Balance of Power
-$10
-World Trophy Soccer
-$10
-Waterloo
-$10
-Omni Play Basketball
-$10
-All above software: $65
-Cadence treadmill
-used for about 1 month
-manual
-LCD panel
-built in computer
-must sell locally due to size
-bought for $700
-asking $190
This A2500 posted for a friend: (please email him at 7MQK@um.cc.umich.edu)
-Amiga 2500/030, 5 megs RAM, 40M SCSI drive, SCSI controller, A1084 monitor
-$1200 OBO
Thanks, Ralph
(313) 677-3086, please call after 6:00pm, or send email (best way to reach me)
rps@arbortext.com gilgalad@dip.eecs.umich.edu
Ralph Seguin
2261 Glencoe Hills Dr. #8
Ann Arbor, MI 48108
| 6misc.forsale
|
On export.lcs.mit.edu directory contrib, and avahi.inria.fr directory pub/xpm:
xpm-3.2f-to-3.2g.patch.Z
xpm-3.2g.tar.Z
/* Copyright 1990-93 GROUPE BULL -- See license conditions in file COPYRIGHT */
/**************************************************************************\
* *
* HISTORY of user-visible changes *
* *
\**************************************************************************/
3.2g (93/04/26)
ENHANCEMENTS:
- much faster close colors
- piping from/to compressed files now handles GNU's gzip (.z) format
- added XpmColorKey attribute - ability to specify which visual's
colors to use (ie: now it's possible to read in a pixmap in a
color visual, but use the colors specified for monochrome).
- added -mono, -grey4, -grey and -color options to sxpm to demonstrate
the XpmColorKey attribute.
- Jason Patterson <jasonp@fitmail.qut.edu.au>
BUGS CORRECTED:
- fixed bug where redefining "None" as a pixel stopped mask generation
- minor SVR4 defines for <string.h>
- fixed annoying closecolor bug related to read/write color cells
- fixed minor bug in color value -> pixel overloading
- manual updated to include new red/green/blue closeness attributes
- Jason Patterson <jasonp@fitmail.qut.edu.au>
- the top Imakefile was missing the depend target
- sxpm/Imakefile fixed so that -L../lib is set before the standard
library location.
- Vivek Khera <khera@cs.duke.edu>
- lib/xpmP.h now defines bcopy as memcpy for VMS (required by recent
versions of VMS)
- J. Daniel Smith <dsmith@ann-arbor.applicon.slb.com>
- the lib/Imakefile didn't work with X11R4.
--
Arnaud LE HORS - lehors@sophia.inria.fr - BULL Research France, Koala Project
| 5comp.windows.x
|
In article <1r6qn1INNd0n@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> koc@rize.ECE.ORST.EDU (Cetin Kaya
Koc) responded to article <1993Apr22.152937.14766@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.
sdpa.org (David Davidian) who wrote:
[DD] Problem 1
[DD]
[DD] My father told me the following story. During the famous wars between the
[DD] Armenians and the Persians, prince Zaurak Kamsarakan performed
[DD] extraordinary heroic deeds. Three times in a single month he attacked the
[DD] Persian troops. The first time, he struck down half of the Persian army.
[DD] The second time, pursuing the Persians, he slaughtered one fourth of the
[DD] soldiers. The third time, he destroyed one eleventh of the Persian army.
[DD] The Persians who were still alive, numbering two hundred eighty, fled to
[DD] Nakhichevan. And so, from this remainder, find how many Persian soldiers
[DD] there were before the massacre.
[Koc] Answer: a(1-1/2-1/4-1/11)=280 -> a = 1760
Good for you! You win the prize -- a free trip to Karabakh as an Azeri
soldier! Now, calculate the odds of you coming back after trying to de-populate
the area of Armenians!
[Koc] Corollary: Armenians strike, slaughter, destroy, and massacre. After
[Koc] all, they are not as innocent as the asala network claims.
Fact: I didn't notice any mention of Turks in Shirak, Van, or Trebizon in
this seventh century story!
Fact: These places were filled with Armenians as of 1915.
Fact: By the end of 1916, after the Turkish genocide of the Armenians, there
were no Armenians left in Shirak, Van, or Trebizon -- only Turks and
Kurds! In fact, there were no Pontus Greeks left alive in Trebizon
either!
Conclusion: Numbers don't lie in either case!
--
David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | "How do we explain Turkish troops on
S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't
P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"
Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992
| 17talk.politics.mideast
|
In article <May.12.04.27.23.1993.9926@athos.rutgers.edu> af664@yfn.ysu.edu (Frank DeCenso, Jr.) writes:
>Has anyone read this important book? If so, what are your feelings about it?
>
I have not yet read the book, though I intend to. Judging from the
promos I hear constantly on the radio, it sounds good. In John
MacArthur's "Charismatic Chaos" series and the book, he talks about
much of the same things. The "Health,Wealth,And Prosperity" thing
is a very real part (and very prominent) of TV religion. Every time
I turn to TBN, there's Paul Crouch (showing off his new building)
talking about it's a sin to be poor and unhealthy. Gr..
| 15soc.religion.christian
|
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commodore 128
epson homewriter 10 9 pin printer
1571 d/s disk drive
2 joysticks
1 mouse
lotsa software, both games and apps.
rapid fire joystick adapter
==========================
about a year old
$130 OBO
--
**********************************************************************
C_ommon pchang@ic.sunysb.edu
S_ense State University of New York @ Stony Brook
E_ngineer
**********************************************************************
| 6misc.forsale
|
I'm using an OAK based VGA card on my computer (640x480x256). I've
downloaded the driver from ftp.cica.indiana.edu and I've had good luck
with it. However, does anyone know if a faster driver is available for
this card?
Thanks,
Mike
_________________________________________________________________________
/ /|
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| _________ | | |
| | _ _ | Michael J. McCollister | Phone: (407) 729-7054 | |
| |_| |_| | | Harris Corporation | Email: | |
| |_/\/\/\|_| P.O. Box 94000 | mmccolli@su100l.ess.harris.com | |
| | |_| |_| | Mailstop 100/4823 | -------------------------------- | |
| |_________| Palm Bay, Florida 32905 | I'm not going to say anything | |
| | stupid today. Not! |/
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| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc
|
In article <93112.103631LRR105@psuvm.psu.edu>, <LRR105@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>I HAVE, THEY SHOWED THE FOOT CAM AND TELEMETRY FOR RUSTY WALLACE SHIFTING AT AT
>LANTA LAST YEAR AND HE NEVER TOUCHED THE CLUTCH EXCEPT VERY SLIGHTLY WHEN DOWN
>SHIFTING - 700 HP IS PRETTY POWERFUL TO ME
I doubt his trans uses standard syncros. There are several mechanisms for
coupling a gear with the transmission output shaft, some of which are fine
for racing and unsuitable for street use.
--
Mark Walker | My old man always said:
mwalker@chama.eece.unm.edu | "Too much is just right!"
505/277-3688 (home 899-0644) | Guess that applies to my preferences
Albuquerque, NM | in performance cars.
| 7rec.autos
|
In article <1993Apr20.032623.3046@eff.org> kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
> Clipper might be a good way to cover the use of another layer of
> encryption.
But, if you are making custom equipment in any case, why not just
roll your own Clipper implementation and report the wrong keys to the
Escrow agency? (Tells us who is going to be in the chip business if
this thing goes through--NSA, and those with something to hide from
NSA.)
If anyone can verify that your phone is not using the key registered
to that serial number, either:
1) They have a court ordered wiretap. But what are they going to
do? Tell the judge that this individual really does have privacy?
All they know is that the keys are not enough, but not why.
2) They have a court ordered wiretap on a phone in this series.
(This part is really scary. Since the "expectation" is that all
chips in a particular batch will uses seeds based on the same S1 and
S2 and the serial number, getting the keys for one of a batch may give
access to all.)
3) There is a backdoor which allows all messages to be deciphered
without the keys. I find this one especially threatening since the
scheme seems very open to known plaintext attacks. (What I need to
decipher is the data in the header. If I talk to someone who has one
of these phones, presumably there will be an automatically negotiated
key generated. I'm not trying to decipher the record of the
conversation to know what was said, I use it as a known plaintext to
recover the backdoor represented by the header, but I know what the
header says for conversations I participate in. Even worse, if the
phones in a series have related keys, I can buy a phone/chip from the
same production lot. Then I can recover its keys, either elegantly by
talking to myself, or by brute force analysis of the actual chip, then
apply the key generation process with those seeds to find the target
keys.)
Hmmm! I don't think I want to ever come close to these phones.
Even DES is starting to look good. Two cans and a string will provide
much better security.
--
Robert I. Eachus
with Standard_Disclaimer;
use Standard_Disclaimer;
function Message (Text: in Clever_Ideas) return Better_Ideas is...
| 11sci.crypt
|
> Maybe so, but it's quite common. There are millions of Macintosh users who
>have no idea what's in Apple's patented ROMs. Many have modems connected.
>How do you know all your business secrets aren't being stolen? Answer:
>1. Because you trust Apple;
>2. Because if any such attempt, however sophicsticated, came out, it would
destroy Apple's credibility forever.
The reason I could theoretically trust Apple (though I'm a PC person
myself :-) ) is that Apple has to worry about their customers deserting
them if they screw up badly enough. The government doesn't have any such
worry; it can change the rules by force to get the outcome it wants. This
is the ultimate reason why private enterprise is usually more efficient
than government agencies.
| 11sci.crypt
|
In article <speedy.155@engr.latech.edu> speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes:
|In article <jnmoyne-190493111630@moustic.lbl.gov> jnmoyne@lbl.gov (Jean-Noel Moyne) writes:
|> What does "DWI" stand for ? I thought it was "DUI" for Driving Under
|>Influence, so here what does W stand for ?
|
|Driving While Intoxicated.
Actually, I beleive "DWI" normally means "Driving While Impaired" rather
than "Intoxicated", at least it does in the states I've lived in...
|This was changed here in Louisiana when a girl went to court and won her
|case by claiming to be stoned on pot, NOT intoxicated on liquor!
One can be imparied without necessarily being impaired by liquor - drugs,
not enough sleep, being a total moron :-), all can impair someone etc... I'm
surprised this got her off the hook... Perhaps DWI in Lousiana *is* confined
to liquor?
Randy Davis Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy
DoD #0013
"But, this one goes to *eleven*..." - Nigel Tufnel, _Spinal Tap_
| 8rec.motorcycles
|
I am having a really bothersome problem using the MSDOS prompt in Windows 3.1
to open a dos box. When I am done with the dos box, I cant get back to windows.
If I do Alt enter to shrink the box or use 'exit' to close it, the screen goes
black and I have to control-alt-delete until I kill windows. I get a couple
of screens about app not responding.
I think things are still alive under the black screen because if I alt-tab
to cycle through the running apps, I get flashes of text but then the
black returns.
This persists even if the machine is powered on and off.
I am working with an app developed using Borland's 3.1 application frameworks
and c++. It seems to work fine.
Hardware is a 486 with 16meg ram; not on a network. Video is a TSENG
vga. dos 5.0.
I reinstalled windows a couple of time but the problem comes back. I am
using temporary swapping for virtual memory.
I would really REALLY appreciate any hints anyone might offer.
Thanks,
Jim Cant
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc
|
I am looking at buying a Dual Sport type motorcycle. This is my first
cycle as well. I am interested in any experiences people have with
the following motorcycles, good or bad.
Honda XR250L
Suzuki DR350S
Suzuki DR250ES
Yamaha XT350
Most XXX vs. YYY articles I have seen in magazines pit the Honda XR650L
against another cycle, and the 650 always comes out shining. Is it safe
to assume that the 250 would be of equal quality ?
Thanks... Joe
| 8rec.motorcycles
|
ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate) writes:
>>.... These
>>lit up cars make non-illuminated things LESS visible (like pedistrians and
>>bikes). Hopefully we're not going to mandate DRL's for people and bikes
>>too.
Well, DRL's are already mandatory for motorcycles...
--
Jon Hacker | Get the OS/2 2.1 March Beta CD-ROM
Caltech, Pasadena CA | for $15
hacker@tumbler-ridge.caltech.edu | Call 1-800-3-IBM-OS2
| 7rec.autos
|
In article <1qkhju$43c@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
>In article <rayC5JAK7.D7E@netcom.com> ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes:
>#Given a choice between a peaceful compromise or endless contention,
>#I'd say that compromise seems to be "better".
>And I would agree. But it's bloody to pointless to speak of it if it's
>merely a matter of taste. Is your liking for peace any better founded
>than someone else's liking for ice-cream? I'm looking for a way to say
>"yes" to that question, and relativism isn't it.
The problem is, Frank, that you are bringing your own _subjective_ values
into the debate and on the basis of those values you are making claim
to something that there is not any evidence (that I've seen, anyhow) to
support. This is not unsimilar to those people who make claims to
supernatural gods, not on the basis of fact, but because it makes them feel
better to think that they can minipulate their environment by influencing
those gods. It may be comforting, but is it real?
If you are going to claim that there is an absolute or objective morality,
the very first thing you have to do is demonstrate that morality itself
exists as something more than an abstraction. Only when you have done that
can we progress to debating whether this morality is absolute or not.
There have been many claims that morality is a component of reality, but
then again, there have been plenty of claims made by different folk over
the centuries. Claims, without fact to back them up are ultimatly very
hollow things.
So, having said that, I would ask you to begin by demonstrating that morality
is other than just an abstraction. Care to meet the challenge?
>--
>Frank O'Dwyer 'I'm not hatching That'
>odwyer@sse.ie from "Hens", by Evelyn Conlon
eric
| 19talk.religion.misc
|
On 4/20/93, Tim Keanini was heard to say regarding "Mac SCSI spec?:"
TK> From: blast@nntp.crl.com (Tim
TK> Keanini)
TK>
TK> I have a MacIIFX and I know that it is wired about its SCSI chain.
TK>
TK> I just bought a drive and I need to find out a few hardcore SCSI
TK> question:
TK>
TK> Does the IIFX SCSI chain want to see active or passive termination?
TK>
TK> Does the IIFX SCSI spec want me to enable the initiation of the SDTR
TK> message?
TK>
TK> WHat does the IIFX SCSI spec want as far as parity checking?
TK>
TK> These are some very good questions for the FAQ. If someone does not
TK> have time to answer these questions but does know where I can look
TK> them up please let me know and I will repost the answers for everyone
TK> to see.
TK>
Read TechNote #273...it deals with more than any sane person wants to
know about the IIfx's SCSI....
TK> thanks, Tim Keanini <timk@broder.com> or <blast@crl.com>
TK> Sound Engineer Broderbund Software
TK>
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware
|
In article <egaillou.734894813@miniac> egaillou@etu.gel.ulaval.ca (Eric Gailloux) writes:
>I just read an article on the SWII. One thing puzzles me: the article says the
>SWII is a serial-only device. Does that mean I'll have to unplug my modem each
>time I want to print something???
No. Plug the printer in the printer port, and the modem in the modem
port. ;)
JT
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware
|
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------
I was suggested by the author of this email I am responding to, Alex
Chaihorsky, that whatever we write to each other will be considered public.
Thus, I share this email with all!
---------------------------------- -----------------------------------
In Email Message-Id: <9305112203.AA14579@netcom2.netcom.com> sasha@netcom.com
(Alexander A. Chaihorsky) wrote:
[A] David --
[A] We can go throwing flames at each other -
[A] nothing is easier. Why do not you just try to
[A] see the situation from a different prospective?
Not taking sides leaves one in a state of perpetual indecision because both
sides in this issue have their own logic at any given time. As an Armenian I
am partisan -- by definition. However, this does give me the license to lie,
cover-up, or revise events under question as we have read on UseNet in postings
by agents of the Turkish government. I understand both sides of the issue, but
this does not mean I will advocate both sides when it suits me. Such a
position would make me a hypocrite. I am also not being paid by agents of
Turkey nor Azerbaijan as are many proponents of the Azeri side. I refer to
agents such as Captioline International Group, Ltd., being paid in excess of
$30,000/month by Azerbaijan. I state my case unencumbered by such advocacy or
prostitution.
[A] You do not have to change your mind for that -
[A] just (as if you are playing chess) ask yourself -
[A] what if?
[A] What if your tone is so offensive that one type of
[A] people loose control and start to erratically insult
[A] you, and others emotionally detach themselves from
[A] you writings and are not engaging in the discussion
[A] with you?
My tone is not offensive. If people are offended by what I say than I just
may be too bad. This conflict, as is human conflict in general, is rather
bleak and is surrounded by the most barbaric actions of man. Given such
conditions, dispassion is rather difficult, and artificial at best. This does
not mean that discussion is out of the question. No conflict is ever resolved
without discussion.
[A] I'll try first. Recently I received a message from
[A] a Russian guy who frequently visited Baku that
[A] approximately after 1986 the old situation when
[A] there were no anti-Armenian press had changed and
[A] the press became very anti-Armenian and average
[A] Azeri became an Armenian-hater. This is devastation
[A] news for me because one of my cornerstones was the fact
[A] that I MYSELF SAW ARMENIANS IN BAKU AMONG OTHER ETHNIC
[A] GROUPS AND SAW, OR HEARD, OR READ NOTHING THAT WOULD
[A] SEEM LIKE HATRED. You might say that an outsider never
[A] sees, but by that time I was myself victimized as a member
[A] of a minority by Russians and knew what to look for and
[A] what innocent sign or remark might signify.
I am sure. The Soviet Union effectively froze in time all ethnic problems it
created or was brewing just after WWI. During the Soviet reign, officials
tended to shape the frozen conflicts in such a way so when thawed, they
would serve the purposes of the internal policies of the Soviet Union or
successor states.
[A] Again - one of my cornerstones show cracks. I will investigate.
[A] Another cornerstone of my thought is that Armenia started
[A] hostilities against Azeris in Armenia before anything happened
[A] in Sumgait (not at all I am trying to justify violence in Sumgait
[A] or anywhere else - I bow my head with grief and respect and
[A] did demand and will laways demand that criminals be severely
[A] punished according to the law of the land.
[A] I would like you to supply me with the information about that.
[A] Does or does not the hostilities began in Armenia? Was thousands
[A] od Azeris thrown out of their homes and forced to leave Armeina
[A] before Sumgait or not?
Sumgait took place in February of 1988. The Azeris of Armenia were expelled
in the late fall of 1988. It took the entire summer of 1988 for the
situation to get so bad for Azeris in Armenian that the Russians had to
evacuate them. I refer specifically to _Human Rights Violations in Armenia
and Azerbaijan_, A report of Pax Christi Netherlands 12 September 1991. Also,
one need only read the newspaper to verify this.
You do realize, perhaps unknowingly -- perhaps not -- you are mirroring
Turkish propaganda and lies regarding what took place when and where first!
[A] Second - in your last message you used a very terrifying
[A] phrase - "Artificial borders" when you were talking about
[A] Armenian. Do you believe that Armenia have righteous territorial
[A] claims? Do you believe that Armenia has rights to the lands that
[A] currently belong to other countries?
[A] Do you believe that this is stricktly Armenian priviledge or
[A] everybody should start reclaiming what once was theirs?
I had addressed this issue several time before -- perhaps I was not clear. The
current borders of Armenia were not set as a result of the consolidation of
a high Armenian culture. Today's Armenia is about 1/10 the land mass that
sustained Armenians for nearly three millennia. It was the natural Armenian
boundaries that sustained Armenians -- not the current boundaries. The current
borders of Armenia would never support a society nor sustain its growth. Does
this mean that Armenia should expand? It might, if Armenia is not allowed to
integrate into the region. If this past winter is any indication of the future
status of Armenia, then Armenia must do what it will to survive.
Unfortunately, in my opinion, and you can quote me on this, as I am sure you
and others will, the combined forces of both Armenia and Karabakh should have
taken Karabakh and the land in between in a matter of weeks in late 1991. This
would avoided all the pain and suffering both sides endured and would remove a
tool of Russian influence in the Caucasus. You may call me a war-monger -- so
be it. If Armenians don't defend their right to live on the land they live on,
those rights will be taken away. The Azeris should not have the right to
remove these Armenians, but given the first chance to, they will, as was
proven throughout all of Azerbaijan. If the Soviet Union didn't break apart,
today Karabakh would be emptied of Armenians. Operation Ring, started in early
1991 emptied the northern 1/3 of Karabakh of Armenians, but the operation was
suspended by the disillusionment of the Soviet Union. Lucky for the Armenians!
If the Azeris feel as though they can expel all the Armenians of Karabakh, the
Armenians will resist, if the Armenians can't live under Azeri oppression,
then they will fight for the right to live their lives free from such
oppression. If this means these Armenian demand independence, I support such a
move. If you can't understand this, as an Azeri, that is truly unfortunate.
Until this is understood by the Gray Wolves in Baku, more young Azeri men will
die in the pursuit of the expulsion and ethnic cleansing of Karabakh
Armenians.
[A] Third thing - you keep saying about 3000 years of Armenian presence
[A] in Karabakh. What exactly you mean by that? That there were Armenians
[A] 3000 years ago in Karabah? Only Armenians? Or among other nations?
[A] I saw (SAW) a Russian tax map of Karabah with all the landowners and
[A] occupant names on it (the map was surveyed by Russian Army in 1810.
[A] Would you believe that there were almost exclusivly Achmeds and Hu-
[A] sseins? I also saw Armenian names, but the absolute majority of the
[A] population was Muslim. If I am wrong - give me your sources, but
[A] please, let us keep the rule that we only pay attention to third
[A] party sources.
[A] There are Russian diplomatic documents about the mission of the
[A] Russian famous writer and diplomat Griboedov whose mission in Iran
[A] was protection of Armenians that were persecuted by Persians and
[A] RELOCATION these Armenians inside Russian Empire. According to
[A] the Russian tax documents that was the time when the population of
[A] Karabakh became predominantly (in some places) Armenian.
Karabakh, or Artsakh as it is known in Armenian (and Urartian) is the only
piece of Armenia that has a continuous Armenian occupation, from the
transformation of the Urartians to Armenians, nearly 3,000 years ago. You
refer to Russian and Muslim rulers over Karabakh, not the population! You
surely must know the rules of Muslim landownership over non-Muslims.
[A] You write in your letter that "Azeris were shelling Stepanakert which
[A] now is almost completely destroyed" David - is it fair to say that
[A] Stepanakert was destroyed by Azeris? There is that fine line between
[A] propaganda and personal view, however bizzarre that view is - YOU KNOW
[A] AS WELL AS ANYBODY WHO SAW TV IN THE TIMES OF THE EARTHQUAKE - that
[A] Stepanakert was almost completely devastated by the quake.
[A] But may be you believe that the damage from Azeri shelling is greater
[A] than the damage from the quake? OK, no problem, AS LONG AS YOU MENTION
[A] THE QUAKE.
As I wrote in a short response to you regarding this earlier. You may be
confusing Spitak with Stepanakert. There were no effects of the earthquake
in Karabakh.
[A] I want dialog. I am not interested in mud-throwing. And in dialog I want
[A] honest opinions (one might be wrong, but one MUST be honest). Honest
[A] opinions may be based on emotions but in this case one should indicate
[A] that. But mostly we are looking for information based opinions.
[A] I always ask myself - why I think that? Is it because I was told so
[A] bt so many people that it became a truth? Or I read a book? Who wrote
[A] it? What was his/her intentions/interests/whatever?
Fine. I stated my opinions and the reasons for them. If you put into action
what you just stated above, you would understand my outrage at the posting of
Farid who just posted items from some Islamic conference, etc., and just left
it at that. He has done his numerous times. At least I responded to that
posting, and was outraged that Farid simply copies other people`s text, posts
it -- yet does not display the courage be responsible for what he posts. One
can always stand behind the facade of claiming what I write is polemic,
however, as a result such irresponsibility I am free to make a claim of
cowardice.
[A] Please, give me sources, facts, titles of the books of third party
[A] writers, etc.
I believe I have, and can support what I claim. I don't make up history, nor
do I have to! I have done enough research regarding Turkish Genocide Apology
to revisionism from good scholarship, and I will never fall victim to
bottomless pit of making claims without a solid basis.
[A] And please, answer my questions in the beginning of the letter.
[A] And for you Armenian friends who do not like what I write -
[A] sorry, but these are my thoughts and it is very disturbing
[A] that you like people when they say what you like and dislike
[A] them when they say something that you do not like.
Alex, I stated my friends and associates where rather surprised as the tone of
your posting considering the fact that I had categorized you as an open-minded
Azeri. Perhaps I was fooled by you? Perhaps I should believe that you are like
"all Azeris when it comes to Armenians". I chose not to accept such a
statement. They were not surprised at what you said so much as it was coming
from you, somebody from which they expected otherwise. You see, you didn't add
anything to the issue, which was the expectation, only conforming old
suspicions.
[A] For me
[A] it is most inportant that a guy makes a honest effort to find
[A] the truth. If so, he/she might have whatever opinion he/she
[A] wants. I believe that telling people the truth, seeking it - is
[A] far more noble than just support your race because it is yours.
[A] That is a way of animals, primitive tribes and criminal societies.
[A] Civilized people seek truth.
[A] Cheers,
[A] Alex
If you think I am intellectually dishonest, please demonstrate it. As I stated
above, I am partisan on this issue, thus expect me to take a stand in the
interest of the Armenians, not against Armenians. This stance should not seem
strange to you. I am not here to generate excuses for Armenians wanting to
live on the land they live on, and wanting to live in peace. If Armenians must
die for what they believe in, and make ultimate sacrifice, you had better
listen to them. No amount of rhetoric -- not from Yerevan, Baku, the CSCE, nor
paid prostitutes in Washington -- will convince Karabakh Armenians otherwise!
--
David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | "Armenia has not learned a lesson in
S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | Anatolia and has forgotten the
P.O. Box 382761 | punishment inflicted on it." 4/14/93
Cambridge, MA 02238 | -- Late Turkish President Turgut Ozal
| 17talk.politics.mideast
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mathew (mathew@mantis.co.uk) wrote:
: I think you misunderstand. Suppose you have a couple of gas atoms in a
: container. If you ionise one of them, you generally assume that the other is
: not affected. This is only true to a certain degree of accuracy; luckily
: there are all sorts of effects we can ignore when doing chemistry. Like
: gravitational forces, for example, because they're very weak.
Agreed. But your original posting seemed to me to be just another
Heisenbergian misunderstanding of what chemists do - Heisenberg
said biologists are treating atoms just like they were solid balls.
This is what some chemists used to do, too, but this is not how
chemistry is taught today.
: And I agree. I think you merely misunderstood the point I was trying to
: make, which is that we simplify the real situation to something we can deal
: with. For instance, we talk about electron pairs, and draw diagrams of
: molecules with little markings to show these pairs of electrons. This is
: actually nonsense, but it's a perfectly good model for predicting all kinds
: of chemical reactions.
Your original posting shows that you seem to think chemists still think
this way. It is true that basic chemistry is still taught in terms of
electron pairs and valences, but this is not what _chemists_ are taught,
and this is not how they should think.
I suggest you take a look at P.W. Atkins's classic text _Physical Chemistry_
(4th ed., Oxford University Press 1990) to see how chemistry is taught today.
However, I still agree with your point - concepts must be allowed to
operate at a pragmatic level. In chemistry, this usually means we must use
different models for different situations. It is unfair to say that
chemists simply ignore effects they can't deal with - on the contrary,
they are quite concerned with the limitations of their models.
: I remember thinking, the first time I saw the shapes of the electron
: orbitals, "They have *got* to be kidding..."
If someone insists that electron is _confined_ inside these shapes,
it would indeed constitute a joke. The shapes are still important,
even though they are only visual representations of the radial and
angular functions. The surfaces are arbitrary, and not really important -
what is more important (in chemistry) are the signs of the wavefunctions.
Is there something wrong with the representations?
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In <4974@master.CNA.TEK.COM> mikeq@freddy.CNA.TEK.COM (Mike Quigley) writes:
>In article ?????? I write:
>>When I was a school boy, my biology teacher told us of an incident
>>in which a couple were very passionate without actually having
>>sexual intercourse. Somehow the girl became pregnent as sperm
>>cells made their way to her through the clothes via persperation.
>>
>>Was my biology teacher misinforming us, or do such incidents actually
>>occur?
>Ohboy. Here we go again. And one wonders why the American
>education system is in such abysmal shape?
Actually, this was a school in England. This same biology teacher also
told me that the reason that stars twinkle is that the small spot of
light on the retina sometimes falls between the light recepive cells.
So his info was suspect from the start.
Stephen
| 13sci.med
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In article <May.9.05.42.07.1993.27611@athos.rutgers.edu> mls@panix.com (Michael
Siemon) writes:
>> Romans 1:27
>> I Corinthians 6:9
>> I Timothy 1:10
>> Jude 1:7
>> II Peter 2:6-9
>> Gen. 19
>> Lev 18:22
>>(to name a few of the verses that pertain to homosexuality)
>
>Homosexual Christians have indeed "checked out" these verses. Some of
>them are used against us only through incredibly perverse interpretations.
>Others simply do not address the issues.
>
>You would seem to be more in need of a careful and Spirit-led course
>in exegesis than most of the gay Christians I know. I suggest that
>you stop "proof-texting" about things you know nothing about.
>--
>Michael
Well, Michael, I don't know if clh has left them in the faq (Maybe you should
post the "how to get there map again), but I posted two or three lengthy
exegetical paper on these verses. They looked at the OT, NT and
intertestimental usages of terms in reference. I would suggest you read those
before you talk about a "need" in exegetical studies. If those aren't enough,
I could also provide "The source and NT Meaning of Apsevokoitai". Dr James
DeYoung published it in THE MASTERS SEMINARY JOURNAL in fall of '92. To read
any of these 4 papers shows that the shoe is on the other foot as far as a need
for honest exegesis.
Again, please refer to the faq file, or if you are unable to acess it, drop me
a line and I will enclose them to you.
Rexlex@fnal.fnal.gov
[They're in a separate file, which I gave a pointer to in my posting
yesterday. --clh]
| 15soc.religion.christian
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Hi!
A while back, there was a thread in this group about the use of the IWII
in Europe (in countries with 50 Hz AC current). The consensus at the time
was that the IWII would not work there. As I will be moving there this summer,
I called Apple to make sure and they told me (today) that the IWII (as bought
in the U.S.) will definitely run on 50 Hz AC current (as long as a step-down
converter is employed if 240 V current is used). The same info, turns out, can
be found in the IWII manual (p. 127 in the 1989 version), but I didn't really
trust that. Does anyone have any direct experience to the contrary? Just
wondering.
Chris W.
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In article <1993Apr15.223844.16453@rambo.atlanta.dg.com>, wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes:
|> We are talking about origins, not merely science. Science cannot
|> explain origins. For a person to exclude anything but science from
|> the issue of origins is to say that there is no higher truth
|> than science.
|> This is a false premise.
In what manner? If you argue that the universe was created with a higher
`truth` than science (btw I would love to see you define `truth` in this
arguement) then you must state how you know this and what it is. To subbornly
state that there is a "higher truth" and that it isyour god, I would ask you to prove it.
This, obviously, you cannot do. Besides, if I assume for the moment that
there is a 'higher truth' then how can you prove it is your god and not
another religion's? What makes you so arrogant to push forward your idea
of creation over many peoples' study of the laws of nature, ie science?
Science is the study of nature. It is open-minded: if the theory doesn't fit the
facts then trash the theory and try to construct one which does. It is *flexible*!
Your definition of science presupposes that science ignores this god
character altogether. If this is so, then it is only because no evidence
can be found of him.
|> By the way, I enjoy science.
So do I. Fortunately I am not mentally shackled into constructing my
scientific conclusions by placing god, Jesus and the holy ghost into every
paragraph in a sycophantic manner.
|> It is truly a wonder observing God's creation. Macroevolution is
|> a mixture of 15 percent science and 85 percent religion [guaranteed
|> within three percent error :) ]
|>
Indeed it is a wonder observing the random effects of creation. This, of
course, assumes a definition of aethetics which you don't forward!
As to "Macroevolution": please give references and more information. From
where do you get your figures?
Adda.
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|> ==========================================================
|> // Bill Rawlins <wpr@atlanta.dg.com> //
|> // "I speak for myself only" //
|> ==========================================================
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| 19talk.religion.misc
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In article <1pq47tINN8lp@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
bobs@thnext.mit.edu (Robert Singleton) writes:
(Deletion)
>
>I will argue that your latter statement, "I believe that no gods exist"
>does rest upon faith - that is, if you are making a POSITIVE statement
>that "no gods exist" (strong atheism) rather than merely saying I don't
>know and therefore don't believe in them and don't NOT believe in then
>(weak atheism). Once again, to not believe in God is different than saying
>I BELIEVE that God does not exist. I still maintain the position, even
>after reading the FAQs, that strong atheism requires faith.
>
No it in the way it is usually used. In my view, you are saying here that
driving a car requires faith that the car drives.
For me it is a conclusion, and I have no more faith in it than I have in the
premises and the argument used.
>But first let me say the following.
>We might have a language problem here - in regards to "faith" and
>"existence". I, as a Christian, maintain that God does not exist.
>To exist means to have being in space and time. God does not HAVE
>being - God IS Being. Kierkegaard once said that God does not
>exist, He is eternal. With this said, I feel it's rather pointless
>to debate the so called "existence" of God - and that is not what
>I'm doing here. I believe that God is the source and ground of
>being. When you say that "god does not exist", I also accept this
>statement - but we obviously mean two different things by it. However,
>in what follows I will use the phrase "the existence of God" in it's
>'usual sense' - and this is the sense that I think you are using it.
>I would like a clarification upon what you mean by "the existence of
>God".
>
No, that's a word game. The term god is used in a different way usually.
When you use a different definition it is your thing, but until it is
commonly accepted you would have to say the way I define god is ... and
that does not exist, it is existence itself, so I say it does not exist.
Interestingly, there are those who say that "existence exists" is one of
the indubitable statements possible.
Further, saying god is existence is either a waste of time, existence is
already used and there is no need to replace it by god, or you are implying
more with it, in which case your definition and your argument so far
are incomplete, making it a fallacy.
(Deletion)
>One can never prove that God does or does not exist. When you say
>that you believe God does not exist, and that this is an opinion
>"based upon observation", I will have to ask "what observtions are
>you refering to?" There are NO observations - pro or con - that
>are valid here in establishing a POSITIVE belief.
(Deletion)
Where does that follow? Aren't observations based on the assumption
that something exists?
And wouldn't you say there is a level of definition that the assumption
"god is" is meaningful. If not, I would reject that concept anyway.
So, where is your evidence for that "god is" is meaningful at some level?
Benedikt
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In article <gnbich.17@med.uovs.ac.za>, gnbich@med.uovs.ac.za (Charles Herbst - Biofisika) writes:
|>
|> Is there anybody who can help me with information on the BMP file format ?
|> Please mail directly to
|>
|> gnbich@med.uovs.ac.za
|>
|> Help will be appreciated
|>
|>
|> Charles Herbst
|>
|>
I have also been looking for this, but I have come up with nothing.
I have looked in ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu which is supposed to have a lot
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summary.
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Benedikt Rosenau (I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de) wrote:
: When the object of their belief is said to be perfect and make the believers
: act in a certain way and we observe that they don't, we have a contradiction.
: Something defined contradictorily cannot exist. That what the believe in does
: not exist. Secondly, there are better explanations for why they believe than
: the existence of the object of their belief.
:
:
: Have you read the FAQ already?
: Benedikt
Benedikt,
I can't recall anyone claiming that God -makes- anyone act a particlar
way, I think that you're attempting to manufacture a contradiction.
God is said to require certain behavior, but the only compulsion is
the believer's sense of duty. A standard of conduct does exist, but we
are free to ignore it or misunderstand it or distort it in whatever
ways we find convenient, but our response to God's edicts can in no
way be used to question God's existence. The behavior of believers is
a completely separate question from that of God's existence; there is
nothing contradictory here.
To say that something defined contadictorily cannot exist, is really
asking too much; you would have existence depend on grammar. All you
can really say is that something is poorly defined, but that in itself
is insufficient to decide anything (other than confusion of course).
Your point that there are better reasons for the phenomenon of belief
than the object of belief may lead to a rat's nest of unnecessary
complexity. I think I know what you're implying, but I'd like to see
your version of this better alternative just the same.
Bill
| 0alt.atheism
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As promised, I spoke today with the company mentioned in a Washington
Times article about the Clipper chip announcement. The name of the company
is Secure Communicatiions Technology (Information will be given at the end
of this message on how to contact them).
Basically they are disturbed about the announcement for many reasons that
we are. More specifically however, Mr. Bryen of Secure Communications
brought to light many points that might interest most of the readers.
His belief is that AT&T was made known of the clipper well before the
rest of the industry. This is for several reasons, several of which are:
- A company of AT&T's size could never be able to make a decision to use
the new chip on the SAME DAY it was announced.
- Months ago they proposed using their own chip for AT&T's secure telephone
devices. AT&T basically blew them off as being not interested at all.
This stuck them as strange, until now...
Also I spoke with Art Melnick, their cryptographer, he expressed several
concerns over the new Clipper Chip:
- The obvious backdoor will be able to let many people decrypt the code.
- Once the key is released to authorities the security of the crypto
system is lost forever. These keys can end up in the hands of any agency
of the government.
- The fact that the escrowed keys never change means that the algorithm
is vulnerable over time to an attacker.
- The classified algorithm may hide another backdoor. But he feels that
it is probably to keep people from forging fake serial numbers, or
changing the keys themselves.
- Additionally he feels that the NSA has probably spent enough time and
money in working on a way to keep this chip from being reversed
engineered, that he feels that reverse engineering it will be very
difficult to do. He feels that they have developed a suitable technique
to protect the chip from this attack. Also he feels that the chip is
hardware encoded with the algorithm and not microcoded onto the chip.
Additonally I spoke with Mr. Melnick about their algorithm. He couldn't tell
me much about their new agorithm because it hasn't been patented yet.
However he told me a little:
- The algorithm will be released for public review after patents have been
granted for it. This is so the crypto community can see that it is
secure.
- The algorithm is called NEA for New Encryption Algorithm.
The details were sketchy because now it is held as a trade secret
until the patent was issued, but I was told that it will incorporate
the following:
- It will have fast encryption of data (Exact specs not given, but
Mr. Melnick stated "Much faster than what an RS-232 can put out.")
- It is a symmetric cipher, just like IDEA and DES.
- It will use 64 bit data blocks for encryption (like DES and IDEA).
- The key length was not given to me, but Mr. Melnick states that
it is _adujustable_ and is "More than adequate for security."
- The algorithm is written in C and Assembler in software form, and
can be ported to many platforms (Unlike the the Clipper Chip which
is hardware ONLY and cannot be made into software) This I
consider a definite plus for the NEA for widespread use.
- The algorithm will accomodate public key distribution techniques
such as RSA or Diffie-Hellman. This will also be supported in the
hardware chip.
- Right now the projected cost of the NEA chip will be about 10 dollars
for each!! (Clipper will run 25 each chip [that is if it is produced
enough, which probably won't happen]).
- They currently sell a program called C-COM that uses the algorithm
and a special streaming protocol that does not divide the encrypted
data into "blocks." This could prevent plaintext attacks if you know
what the block header is. This program operates at all supported
RS-232 speeds and uses the software implementation of the algorithm.
- Most importantly: IT DOES NOT HAVE A BACKDOOR!!
Right now the company is afraid that the new clipper chip will put them out
of business. This is a very real possibility. So they really need help in
stopping the clipper chip from becoming a standard. If you want to contact
them, they can be reached at..
Secure Communications Technology
8700 Georgia Ave. Suite 302
Silver Spring, MD
(301) 588-2200
I talked to Mr. Bryen who represents the company. He can answer any
questions you have.
Any factual errors occurring in this write up are my own and I apologize for
them ahead of time.
=============================================================================
/// | psionic@wam.umd.edu | Fight the WIRETAP CHIP!! Ask me how!
__ /// C= | -Craig H. Rowland- |
\\\/// Amiga| PGP Key Available | "Those who would give up liberty for
\/// 1200 | by request. | security deserve neither."
=============================================================================
A
| 11sci.crypt
|
The following is an introduction as to who is Muhammad SAW
as will be covered with this treatise.
MUHAMMAD peace and blessings of Allah be upon him (SAW)
is the last prophet of Islam. He is the Prophet who is revealed
the last Holy Scripture, Qur'an, by Allah SWA (all praise be to Him)
through the Arch Angel Gabriel. He is the seal of all prophets
till the day of judgement as stated in the Qur'an by Allah
SWA (all praise be to Him). Muhammad SAW lived between
571-632 AC. All other prophethoods claimed after Muhammad SAW,
is a treason against Islam, against Qur'an, against the message
of Allah SWA. Muhammad SAW is from the seed of Ishmael, another
messenger of Allah and son of Abraham also a messenger of Allah.
He is the Messenger that previous holy scriptures foretold his
coming. The above mentioned verse from the Qur'an is from
Chapter 33, Verse 40 whose rough translation is as follows:
Muhammad is not the father of any of your men,
but (he is) the messenger of Allah, and the seal
of the prophets, and Allah has full knowledge of
all things.
---------------------
Commentary on the above verse: When a document is sealed,
it is complete, and there can be no further addition. The
Holy Prophet Muhammad SAW closed the long line of Messengers.
Allah's teaching is and will always be continuous, but there
has been and will be NO Prophet after Muhammad SAW. The later
ages will want thinkers, and revivers, not Prophets. This is not
an arbitrary matter. It is a decree full of knowledge and wisdom,
"for Allah has full knowledge of all things."
----------------------
DROPLET VOL 1, No 11, Part 2
A D R O P L E T
From The Vast Ocean Of The Miraculous Qur'an
Translations from the Arabic and Turkish Writings of
Bediuzzaman Said Nursi, The Risale-i Noor
VOL 1, No 11, Part 2
------------------------------------------------------------------
NINETEENTH LETTER
MU'JIZAT-I AHMEDIYE RISALESI
(A TREATISE ON THE MIRACLES OF MUHAMMED SAW)
(continued from Droplet Vol 1, No 11, Part 1)
SECOND SIGN: The Noble Messenger (SAW)
declared His prophethood, and presented to humanity a
decree as the Glorious Qur'an and manifest miracles
which number, according to the scholars, one thousand.
The occurrence of those miracles in their entirety is as
certain as the fact that He declared himself prophet. In
fact, as a shown by the words of the most obstinate
unbelievers quoted in various places of the Wise
Our'an, even they could not deny the occurrence of His
miracles, but only called them -hasha wa kella!-(Allah forbids)
sorcery, in order to satisfy themselves, or to deceive their
followers. The miracles of Muhammad (SAW) have the
certainty of confirmation by consensus of Ulema (scholars
of Islam) to the hundreth degree.
The Miracle is the conformation by the CREATOR of
the universe of His declaration of Prophethood; it has the
effect of the words,'You have indeed spoken the truth !'
Suppose that you said in the assembly of a ruler,
while being observed by Him, 'The true ruler has
appointed me to such and such position. 'At a time when
you were asked to prove your claim, the word 'Yes'
uttered by the ruler would sufficiently support you. Or, if
the ruler changed his usual practice and attitude at your
request, this would confirm your claim even more soundly
and more definitely than would the word 'Yes.'
In the same way, ALLAH's Most Noble Messenger
claimed: 'I am the envoy of the CREATOR of this
universe. My proof is that He will change His unbroken
order at my request and my prayer. Now look at my
fingers: He makes them run like a fountain with five
spigots. Look at the moon: by a gesture of my finger, He
splits it in two. Look at that tree: to affirm me, and to bear
witness to me, it moves and comes near to me. Look at
this food: although it is barely enough for two or three
men, it satisfies two or three hundred. 'Further he shows
hundreds of similar miracles. However, the evidences of
the veracity of this high being and the proofs of his
prophethood are not restricted to his miracles. All his
deeds and acts, his words and behavior, his moral
conduct and manners, his character and appearance
prove to the attentive his truthfulness and seriousness.
Indeed, many people such as Abdullah b. Salam, the
famous scholar of the Children of Israel, came to belief
merely by seeing him, and said, 'No lie can hide in this
face, nor can any fraud be found in it!'
Although many of the researchers have concluded
that the proofs of the prophethood of Muhammad and his
miracles number about one thousand, there are
thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of proofs of
his prophethood. And hundreds of thousands of
truth-seeking men (muhakkikiin) with varying opinions
have affirmed his prophethood in an equal number of
ways.
The Wise Our'an alone demonstrates thousands of
the proofs of his prophethood, in addition to its own forty
aspects of miraculousness. Since prophethood is as a
phenomenon of humanity, and hundreds of thousands of
individuals who claimed prophethood and performed
miracles have lived and passed away; then, the
prophethood of Muhammad (SAW) is of a certanity
superior to that of the prophethood of all the others. For
whatever evidences, qualities and attributes became the
means of the prophethood and messengership of all the
messengers such as Jesus (AS) and Moses (AS), they
are all owned in a more perfect and comprehensive
fashion by Muhammad (SAW). And since the causes and
means of prophetic authority exist more perfectly in the
person of Muhammad (SAW), this authority is to be found
in him with more certanity than all the other prophets.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
To be Continued Allah Willing.
Irfan Alan, A Servant of Islam.
| 19talk.religion.misc
|
Subject: Re: NETTEKI BUTUN VATANSEVERLERE DUYURU....
In article <1993Apr13.090647.2507@freenet.carleton.ca> aa624@Freenet.carleton.
ca (Suat Kiniklioglu) [a.k.a. Kubilay Kultigin] continues...
[KK] BUTUN NETTEKI ARKADASLARA DUYURU....
[KK]
[KK] (SIYASI PLATFORMUN HANGI "TARAFINDA OLURSANIZ OLUN")
[KK]
[KK] BUGUNLERDE BU NETTE OLSUN, TALK.POLITICS.MIDEAST VE TALK.POLITICS.
[KK] SOVIET'TE OLSUN OLAGAN DAN FAZLA VE "ETKIN" ERMENI VE YUNAN
[KK] POSTINGLERI YAZILMAKTADIR. BU YAZILARIN COGU GUNCEL KARABAG
[KK] KIBRIS VE BOSNA KONULARINDA YOGUNLASMAKTADIR. BURADAN HAREKETLE
[KK] "HEPIMIZIN" BIRAZ DAHA AKTIF OLMASI VE "USENMEYIP" CEVAP YAZMASI
[KK] OLDUKCA FAYDALI OLACAKTIR.
[KK]
[KK] EVET, HERKESIN ISI GUCU VAR...AKADEMIK YILIN YOGUN BIR DONEMI
[KK] FAKAT MEYDANI BOS BIRAKMAMANIN VE ULKEMIZIN CIKARLARINI "IDEOLOJIK
[KK] PLATFORMDA" GOZETMENIN DE SORUMLULUGU VAR...
[KK]
[KK] YARINLARIN CAGDAS VE GUCLU TURKIYESI'NI HEP BERABER KURMAK UMUDUYLA,
[KK]
[KK] SAYGILAR,
[KK] Kubilay Kultigin
[KK] ***** VATAN SEVGISI RUHLARI KIRDEN KURTARAN EN KUVVETLI RUZGARDIR *****
In translation, as a public service:
Subject: AN ANNOUNCEMENT TO ALL PATRIOTS ON THE NET...
AN ANNONCEMENT TO ALL FRIENDS ON THE NET...
(REGARDLESS OF "WHEREVER YOU STAND" ON THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM)
IN RECENT DAYS ARMENIAN AND GREEK POSTINGS OF THAN THE USUAL IN NUMBER AND
"EFFECTIVENESS" ARE BEING WRITTEN BOTH ON THIS NET AND THE TALK.POLITICS.
MIDEAST AND TALK.POLITICS.SOVIET. MOST OF THESE WRITINGS CONCENTRATE ON THE
SUBJECTS OF KARABAGH, CYPRUS AND BOSNIA. DUE TO THIS FACT, IT IS QUITE USEFUL
FOR "US ALL" BE MORE ACTIVE AND "NOT FEEL RELUCTANT" TO RESPOND.
YES, EVERYBODY HAS HIS/HER OCCUPATION...IT IS A BUSY PERIOD IN THE ACADEMIC
YEAR. HOWEVER, [WE MUST] HAVE A RESPONSIBILTY NOT TO LEAVE THE FORUM EMPTY AND
WATCH THE INTERESTS OF OUR COUNTRY ON THE "IDEOLOGICAL LEVEL"...
IN THE HOPE OF BUILDING TOGETHER A MODERN AND POWERFUL TURKEY OF TOMORRROW.
REGARDS,
Kubilay Kultigin
***** THE LOVE OF THE FATHERLAND IS THE STRONGEST OF ALL WINDS CLEANSING FILTH
OFF SOULS *****
--
David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | "How do we explain Turkish troops on
S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't
P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"
Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992
| 17talk.politics.mideast
|
can someone tell me where i could find ansi or ascii pics?
I already found the gopher ascii pics.
thanks
Richard Mancsuo
curdm@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
| 1comp.graphics
|
Can one develop inner-ear problems from too much flying? I hear that pilots
and steward/esses have a limit as to the maximum number of flying hours --
what are these limits? What are the main problems associated with too many
long-haul (over 4 hours) trips?
Frequent Flyer.
| 13sci.med
|
In article <1993Apr21.234022.2880@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>
> I *don't* think the Sharks should dig into the free agent market. Most of
> the "good" free agents will require quite a bit of compensation, and set the
> Sharks back as far as player development goes; remember, the Sharks were
> unwilling to give up player(s) in addition to the $2 million they offered for
> Joe Murphy, and I think that's a good approach. They tried to sign Sergei
> Makarov before this season because Makarov wouldn't have required compensation.
Matching the Makarov offer was the only real mistake Dave King has made this
year. I have to wonder about the intelligence of signing a 33-year old who
is obviously on the downside of his career to a 4-year $2 million contract.
Risebrough matched the offer on King's request and Makarov has spent the last
quarter of the season in the press box because his work ethic just plain
stinks. Not to mention that he's lost a step and can no longer get himself
into position to make the nifty passes.
I think Makarov will be available for free this offseason to anybody who agrees
to pay his contract. He's ineffective in Calgary, but he might be able to help
a team like San Jose, with their shortage of talent. If there's no takers, and
Makarov doesn't show improvement in training camp, I think the Flames will just
bite the bullet and buy out Makarov's contract and release him. With his
current attitude, he is a detriment to the team.
Alan
| 10rec.sport.hockey
|
In article <1qvtk4$jep@kyle.eitech.com> ekr@kyle.eitech.com (Eric Rescorla) writes:
>In article <1qu2c9$4o4@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
>>In article <1qme79$c0k@kyle.eitech.com> ekr@kyle.eitech.com (Eric Rescorla) writes:
>>#In article <1qm36b$gn2@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
>>#>In article <1qktj3$bn9@squick.eitech.com> ekr@squick.eitech.com (Eric Rescorla) writes:
>>#>Now if we're valuing procedures subjectively, and science is a procedure,
>>#>science cannot be valued non-subjectively.
>>#
>>#You're just overloading the word value, AGAIN, I suspect.
>>
>>Maybe you're underloading it. If, from hundreds of alleged procedures for
>>obtaining truth about the material world, I pick science, then that is a
>>subjective judgement according to the strict meaning of the terms, yes?
>
>Yes, naturally.
>
>>Ordinarily, it is also a *value* judgement, though it needn't be (one
>>could "do science" without believing it was worth a damn in any context,
>>though that hardly seems sensible).
>
>No, you're just overloading the word "value" again. It is an
>estimation of probability of correctness, not an estimation of "worth."
>Shit, I don't even know what "worth" means. Consider the possibility
>that I am not interested in knowing truth. I could still believe
>that science was the most likely way to get truth, and not value
>science at all.
But you STILL value likely ways over unlikely ways, correct? If I wanted to
know the "truth" about, say, the specific gravity of chicken soup, I could
employ science -- meters, gauges, scales, etc. -- or I could just talk a walk
on a beach somewhere. Both have a possibility of generating the truthful
answer -- in the case of the walk on the beach, it would have to be some sort
of sudden inspiration about the specific gravity of chicken soup which just
happened to be truthful -- so what makes me choose the scientific method of
truth-determination over the "walk on the beach" method? Because I *VALUE*
science's higher probability of obtaining truth, that's why. Everywhere one
turns, there is intentionality and value judgments lurking just beneath the
veneer of detached objectivity. It is an inescapable aspect of the human
condition.
>>#>#Like I said before, DES works whether I value my privacy or
>>#>#not.
>>#>
>>#>O.K., which DES? The abstract function DES? that stops working in any
>>#>important sense if no-one cares for the importance of truth, mathematics,
>>#>meaning, information, etc. A DES chip or DES s/w? That stops working in
>>#>any important sense if no-one values science, objective reality, etc.
>>#>DES does not work in a value vacuum. Nothing else does, either.
>>#
>>#This is just truth by blatant assertion. Your "in any important sense"
>>#seem to be just weasel words. Imagine that I have a box which
>>#accepts 16 bytes and uses the first 8 to ECB the second 8.
>>#It still does a perfect job of DESing, whether or not any input
>>#is being made at the time--whether or not anyone values mathematics..
>>
>>The concept of a DES box which can be assumed to work as you describe in
>>the absence of an assumption of objective reality is incoherent. Such a box
>>may as well be assumed to wear a dufflecoat and go to the Limerick Races.
>
>Truth by blatant assertion again, Frank. It's observationally the
>case that when you measure it, it works. It can be reasonably well
>assumed that it will work even when you are not measuring it, barring
>quantum silliness about how it might have disappeared and reappeared.
>It doesn't take a notion of objective reality to discuss my observations.
Well, I would add that the attribute "works even when not being measured" is
*ALSO* something which is valued and intended, Eric. All you've succeeded in
doing is kicking this up another level in the hierarchy of values.
- Kevin
| 19talk.religion.misc
|
It depends. If, in the judgment of the umpire the batter made no
attempt to avoid getting hit, the batter is awarded first for a
base on balls. If the umpire rules he did try to get out of the
way, he's awarded first because of a hit batsman.
Ryan Robbins
Penobscot Hall
University of Maine
IO20456@Maine.Maine.Edu
| 9rec.sport.baseball
|
When attempting to connect to an SGI Indigo from a PC clone using
a commercial X windows emulation package, the X package hangs in
a pre-login X screen mode. The login box won't display. Using
the package in 'telnet' mode, I can logon to the SGI, and run any
none graphic type things. On the PC I get an error:
"Read error 0 on socket 1" (raw socket error)
On the SGI, in xdm-errors:
I get a termination error when I kill the stalled screen on the PC
On the SGI, in SYSLOG:
<date><time><SGI> xdm[#]:Hung in XOpenDisplay(<remote>:0, aborting
" " :server open failed for <remote>:0, giving up
I have all access control disabled (I believe, SYSLOG message confirms
this when I login on the SGI). I believe I have the SGI set up properly
as described in the X ADm. book by O'Rielly....
The X emul package tech support hasn't been able to solve the problem.
So what I'm looking for is some suggestions on where to look for problems,
and possible tests to run to narrow down the questions.
Thanks
webster@ucssun1.sdsu.edu
| 5comp.windows.x
|
I am having the problem of ensuring point-to-focus when the mouse
cursor enters a window in my application. I'm using InterViews,
but that may not matter, this seems to be a generic problem in X.
For example, I use OpenWindows on a Sparc2, with point-to-focus
set, and that generally works, but not always, depending on what
was going on in some window when I move the cursor from one shell
tool window to another. Or so it seems...
My question, then, is what can I do within X to guarantee point-to-
focus within my application? Thanks for any response.
Dave
| 5comp.windows.x
|
In <C5sysG.KAD@odin.corp.sgi.com> luigi@sgi.com (Randy Palermo) writes:
>In article <13586@news.duke.edu> fierkelab@bchm.biochem.duke.edu (Eric Roush) writes:
[...]
>>
>>When Gant turned away, Hirschbeck IMMEDIATELY motioned for Gant
>>to step into the box. IMO, at this point in time, Hirschbeck
>>was determined to show Gant exactly WHO was in charge of this game.
>>Gant wasn't dawdling; he hadn't had a chance to dawdle. And Hirschbeck
>>was simply exercising a power play. Gant resisted, as many of
>>us might to what we thought was an unreasonable request, and
>>Hirschbeck called for the pitch. At that point, Cox came out on
>>the field, the pitch was thrown, and many other Braves left the
>>dugout. Cox was tossed "protecting his player". I was pleasantly
>>surprised that Gant kept his cool enough to stay in the game.
>>
>Did you see the same game I saw? Gant, most reasonable, argued a
>horrible call which Hirschbeck, correctly, did nothing about. Gant
>then proceeded to walk halfway to 3rd base, lean on his bat and
>glare at Hirschbeck. While I don't necessasarily subscribe to the
>theory of showing people up, this was an obvious attempt by Gant to
>do so to Hirschbeck. He left Hirschbeck no choice but to take control
>of the situation. The bottom line is: Gant started a dangerous
>power struggle with Hirschbeck when his team needed him most and
>he lost.
The events I saw were:
1) Called strike by Hirschbeck
2) Shocked-looking Gant asks for appeal to first
3) No appeal to first
4) Gant steps out of batters box.
5) Hirschbeck *immediately* orders Gant back in. [bad move]
6) Gant ignores Hirschbeck and walks off. [bad move]
7) Hirschbeck yells at Gant. Gant is silent.
8) Hirschbeck calls for the pitch.
9) Pitch is called a strike.
10) Cox argues (couldn't see when he came on the field)
11) Cox is ejected, players everywhere
12) Play finally resumes.
Gant shouldn't have ignored Hirschbeck. Not returning made the strike
call fairly likely. Although I suspect an argument might have gotten
Gant tossed altogether. But if Hirschbeck had let Gant step out, the
whole incident probably would have been avoided.
--
Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic
"It is considered good to look wise, especially when not
overburdened with information" -- J. Golden Kimball
| 9rec.sport.baseball
|
I can (and do) take religious writings as a metaphor for life.
I do this with all sorts of fiction, from Beowolf to Deep Space Nine.
The idea is to not limit yourself to one book, screen out the good
stuff from what you read, and to remember that it is all just a story.
You sound Buddist to me :^)
Brian /-|-\
| 0alt.atheism
|
al@col.hp.com (Al DeVilbiss) writes:
>jorge@erex.East.Sun.COM (Jorge Lach - Sun BOS Hardware) writes:
>> Is there any FTP site that carries WinBench results for different graphics
>> cards? In Excel (XLS) format? What is the latest version of WinBench and
>> how do they differ? Is the source available, and has anybody try to port it to
>> X-Window, at least in a way that will make comparisons possible?
>>
>On ftp.cica.indiana.edu in pub/pc/win3/misc/winadv.zip is a writeup by
>Steve Gibson of InfoWorld with winbench 3.11 and a number of other
>benchmark results for nine isa and four VLB video cards. This is a
>very current upload and is likely to have any card you're currently
>giving serious consideration. Not in XLS format. Latest version of
>WinBench that I know of is ver 3.11. I believe they try to maintain
>the same rating scale between versions, and new versions are released
>to defeat the lastest coding tricks put in by driver programmers to
>beat the benchmarks. Don't know on the last one.
And why they are considering using WinBench as a test, they may want
to read everything Steve Gibson has said on the subject in his
InfoWorld column the past couple of month. In short, virtually
every board manufacturer cheats on the test by writing things in the
driver that is there only to make the board appear faster on the
WinBench suite. So the WinBench score has no bearing in reality to
how cards stack up on real world tasks.
In the last PC-Magazine they benchmarked some of the new accelerators,
and admitted that many of them 'cheated' on WinBench. Interestingly,
they 'allowed' one type of cheating behaviour (caching for bitblt
operations, no matter how unreal), yet did not allow a couple of other
types of cheating behaviour that some of the cards used. At least
one card was eliminated from the "Editor's Choice" because of
cheating on the benchmark.
>Al DeVilbiss
>al@col.hp.com
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc
|
In article <1pi6in$isg@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> dwilson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Wilson) writes:
~~~~~~~~~~FOR SALE as of 5PM 4/02/93~~~~~~~~~~
1 AMIGA 3000UX 25mhz, unix compatible machine w/100 meg Hard
Drive, 4 meg RAM, no monitor, keyboard (ESC and ~ keys
broken)
ASKING PRICE: $1700 OBO.
Mind my asking why you're selling a used machine with a damaged
keyboard for the about the same price as a brand new A4000/030
(A4000-EC030/4 megs/120meg IDE HD/HD Floppy/v3.0 OS - $1899)?
I'd like to get an A3000 locally for something reasonable like less
than 1K without monitor. Brand new the A3000-25mhz/50 meg HD/HD
floppy/2.1 ROM isn't running for more than $1400 or so.
Considering it's damaged, probabably has a real old version of the OS
I'll offer $700. Don't laugh...my A2000 isn't worth more than
$250-$300 these days.
N. Tzeng
--
Nigel Tzeng
.sig under construction
| 6misc.forsale
|
Arab citizens have the all the same rights as Jews. Arabs are
exempt from military service, but that is about it. Arabs have a
full voice in Israeli politics, to the degree that they choose to
get involved. They may vote. There are Arabs in the Cabinet.
The claim that Israel is an apartheid state is a racist claim,
one which is based on a total disregard for the facts and a total
hatred for Israel.
| 17talk.politics.mideast
|
In article <C5Hr5M.KH2@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> lis450bw@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (lis450 Student) writes:
>Eric, you bring up a point that I hadn't heard before, and would like
>explanation on. Did I understand you correctly when you said that
>the idea that Christianity has an objective morality is absurd? I read
>it as saying that Christians don't claim any sense of abolute morality.
I believe that the idea of objective morality is absurd, becasuse all
the evidence I've seen indicates that morality and moral systems are
man made and thus subjective.
This is not a shot at Christianity; I would apply it to any other person
or group that advocates objective morality, unless said person/group
can provide some sort of evidence to support that claim.
Actually, Christians do claim an absolute morality, but that is another
matter.
>I always heard it said that Christians claim a moral system, but there is
>no reason to follow it rather than any other. Is this more in line with
>what you meant?
No, not really.
>MAC
>
eric
| 19talk.religion.misc
|
rnichols@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (robert.k.nichols) writes:
steps deleted
{> ...
{>
{> It's an interesting idea, but the worst-case data patterns developed to
{> test magnetic media are totally different than the patterns used to detect
{> common faults in memory chips.
{>
I was having major memory problems a few monthes ago.
getting parity error - system halted error message in windows.
I ran QA/PLUS, Check It, Diagnose, as well as several shareware
memory checkers. I had a total of 8 meg SIMM in my system.
these store bought/ shareware memory diagnostics either ran fine
without errors or found an error at some address that I couldn't
place on a memory chip. Out of exahperation I came up with
the (now deleted) steps to find bad memory chips. I found 2
(moral : never buy memory stamped "not for sensitive or critical
applications" on the back.
anyway I did filter out all the bad memory chips using
combinations of 4 of the 8 meg chips and creating a RAM drive to
test on. Although it dodn't alleviate my parity error problems
in windows. I did manage to find bad memory chips in this manner
It has NEVER failed to find a bad chip for me. and the commercial/
shareware have always faild me either not finding the error or
pointing to an addreww which I have no idea on what chip it is.
p.s. man my typing stinks today and I don't feel like futzing around with
this line editor.
-David
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| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
|
In article <C51puA.K2u@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>, dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) writes:
> "David R. Sacco" <dsav+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> > Not to be too snide about it, but I think this Christianity must
> > be a very convenient religion, very maliable and suitable for
> > any occassion since it seems one can take it any way one wants
> > to go with it and follow whichever bits one pleases and
> > reinterpret the bits that don't match with one's desires. It
> > is, in fact, so convenient that, were I capable of believing
> > in a god, I might consider going for some brand of Christianity.
> > The only difficulty left then, of course, is picking which sect
> > to join. There are just so many.
> >
> > Dean Kaflowitz
> >
> > Yes, Christianity is convenient. Following the teachings of Jesus
> > Christ and the Ten Commandments is convenient. Trying to love in a
> > hateful world is convenient. Turning the other cheek is convenient. So
> > convenient that it is burdensome at times.
>
> Some Christians take a 10% discount off the Ten Commandments. Sunday
> cannot be substituted for the Sabbath.
Make that 20%. Where did I see that poll recently about the
very religious and adultery? Was it this newsgroup or alt.atheism
or some other place?
Dean Kaflowitz
| 19talk.religion.misc
|
stevet@eskimo.com (Steven Thornton) writes:
|The official MLB formula for OBP is (hits plus walks plus hit-by-pitch)
|divided by (at-bats plus walks plus hit-by-pitch plus sacrifice flies).
|Sac bunts and errors have no effect. Source: Total Baseball (and they
^^^^^^
Sure they might. If an error is recorded on, for example, a
ground ball, ie the batter would otherwise be out, it is officially a
hitless at bat. If it's some other type of error (Greenwell lets a
single go by), it doesn't effect the OBP. But, most errors are
counted.
-Cuz
| 9rec.sport.baseball
|
Let's see. These aren't, in a strict sense, amateur rockets. That term
denotes rockets, the engines of which are constructed by the user. The
rockets you describe are called HPR, or high power rockets, to
distinguish them from (smaller) model rockets. They use factory-made
ammonium perchlorate composite propellants in phenolic plastic engines
with graphite nozzles. The engines are classified by impulse. A "D"
engine, for example, can have no more than 20 newton-seconds of impulse.
An "F" engine can have no more than 40 ns. Each letter corresponds to a
doubling of the maximum impulse. So far, engines up to size "O" are
available pretty much off the shelf. Engines of size H and above are
shipped as Class B explosives, and as such are controlled. Engines of
size F and below are shipped as Class C explosives, and are not as
controlled. Class F engines, BTW, are not HPR engines, but model rocket
engines. (Class G engines go in and out of legal limbo.)
There is an HPR Society, The Tripoli Rocket Society, I believe, which
holds events at various sites throughout the year, with all legalities
(FAA waiver included) taken care of. The National Association of
Rocketry is more concerned with engines below H, though it is involved
in HPR as well. These societies certify users of HPR rockets, and
companies will not sell to uncertified individuals.
Bottom Line: It's legit. I suggest you send for a catalog - but forget
the dynamite, will ya?
-Larry C.
| 14sci.space
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In article <C5JGC4.AJJ@dove.nist.gov>, keys@starchild.ncsl.nist.gov (Lawrence B. Keys) writes:
>I know that this isn't the group for it, but since you brought it up,
>does anyone have any idea why they haven't "bombed" the Waco cult?
Perhaps it is because witnesses who have left the compound have all
testified that the BATF shot first, they they did not identify themselves
before tossing in concussion grenades (not that anyone inside could have
_heard_ such identification after being near a concussion grenade) and
the announcement from the BATF that they have sealed the warrant under
which they were operating - which was a _search_ warrant, by the way,
_not_ an arrest warrant. In short, perhaps because the BATF is wildly
out of control and perhaps calmer heads have realized that bombing a
compound full of woman and children will not improve their position.
There is a real chance that Koresh will be able to prove self-defense
in court. That will leave - what? - four officers dead and no one to
blame but the BATF.
Followups directed to alt.activism, where the discussion has raged nearly
as long as the seige, and which shows every sign of not giving up nearly
as soon.
Larry Smith (smith@ctron.com) No, I don't speak for Cabletron. Need you ask?
-
Liberty is not the freedom to do whatever we want,
it is the freedom to do whatever we are able.
| 7rec.autos
|
In article <1993Apr20.070919.24246@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca>, cs3sd3ae@maccs.mcmaster.ca (Holly KS) writes:
|> Perhaps this is a silly question but here goes.....
|>
|> What is the difference between the US Robotics Courier v32bis external and the
|> Sportster 14400 external? I see that the price of a Sportster has dramatically
|> dropped to below $200 but the price of the Courier remains above $400.
|>
|> Anyone with knowledge of both of these modems or anyone that owns a Courier?
|>
|> I'd really appreciate your comments before I decide on which one I buy.
|>
|> Thanks in advance and thanks again to those that replies to "US Robotics info
|> wanted"........
|>
|> Kevin
|>
|> hollyk@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca
|>
1. The courier looks a lot cooler. :)
2. The courier is upgradable to VFast. (You have to give USR more money for that tho')
3. The Sportster is able to be modified to be a 16.8 dual standard (if you want to
void your warantee and totally piss USR off.)
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
|
Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in favor of
doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of graphics by reading
this group, from code to hardware to algorithms. I just think making 5
different groups out of this is a wate, and will only result in a few posts
a week per group. I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum
for discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way?
Just curious.
I disagree. You could learn the same amount by reading all the
split groups, and it would make things easier for those of us
who are less omnivorous. There is no "waste" in creating news
groups -- its just a bit of shuffling about. I have no problem
with only a few posts per week per group - I spend too much time
on this as it is.
-david
| 1comp.graphics
|
refrettably you are mistaken. alt.drugs was used to recruit people for the
worldwide pot religion. I, however hve no problem being in both of them
Death to Dupont
Free Bobby Fischer
Michele Cayley is my mom, sue me not her
johan engevik (drunken naked genius at large)
| 19talk.religion.misc
|
bjgrier@bnr.ca (Brian Grier) writes:
>This has gone on too long people! Get a life.
>If you haven't converted anyone to your way of thinking yet
>you probably will not convert anyone. Just let this subject
>die a quiet, though painfull death.
>If this keeps up I'll start believing the self righteousness
>should be CAPITAL offense.
You'll have to kill off half the net. Maybe that isn't such a bad
idea...
--
Pete Gontier // EC Technology // gurgle@netcom.com
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc
|
Is anyone out there running a MS-DOS system with a LocalTalk board? I am on an
Appletalk network, hooked up with a DayStar Digital LT200 MC LocalTalk
Interface Board, running on a PS/2 Model 70. I'm using the AppleShare PC
software for file server and network access. It works fine under DOS or the
Window or OS/2 DOS box. But when I try to load it *before* Windows, so that
every application I run could get access to it, the machine crashes hard as
soon as I start up an application. And of course, things look pretty hopeless
for OS/2 (but who knows).
So, does anyone have experience with this bizarre and obsolete setup?
- Duncan
- duncans@phoenix.Princeton.EDU
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc
|
Clipper Chip is a response to the fact that there is no business
or professional body in a position to establish a standard and
provide chipsets to implement it for analog or digial transmission
systems.
RSA might be in position to do it, if they had active cooperation of
a couple of manufacturers of cellular phones or desktop phones.
Large companies in the voice/data comm business are out, because they
all have contracts with the gov which would be used to pressure them.
If we, as professionals in crypto organizations, EFF, etc. were to
put our collective minds and interests toward establishing a
crypto standard for transmission, and getting our companies to
implement it, we might avoid government control.
Otherwise, I think it will happen to us by default. Gov isn't probably
strong enough or foolish enough to prevent strong crypt. They
are strong enough, and we may be foolish enough, to push through
the Clipper Chip.
Is RSA independt of the gov enough to spearhead this? I, for one,
would *gladly* pay royalties via purchasing secure phones.
If not this, we should provide an algorithm which can be implemented
in either SW or HW and publish it, then push to make it the defacto
standard in the way that PGP and RIPEM are becoming such.
We are opposing, charging the bunker. We should be nimble and clever.
The gov is strong, not clever.
Lew
--
Lew Glendenning rlglende@netcom.com
"Perspective is worth 80 IQ points." Niels Bohr (or somebody like that).
| 11sci.crypt
|
Has anyone ported RIPEM to the Amiga yet or is anyone working on it?
Emailed responses are fine.
--
Ken Guyton, Emory University | PREFERRED: uskmg@unix.cc.emory.edu
Information Technology Division | UUCP: ...gatech!emoryu1!uskmg
Atlanta, GA 30322 | NON-DOMAIN BITNET: uskmg@emoryu1
Phone: (404) 727-7685 | FAX: (404) 727-2599
| 11sci.crypt
|
In article <keng.735334134@tunfaire> keng@den.mmc.com (Ken Garrido) writes:
[lotsa stuff taken out]
Bottom line: due process was not served. No peaceful attempt to serve
a warrant occurred.
Think on that.
royc
| 19talk.religion.misc
|
In article <1993Apr22.000337.10096@news.arc.nasa.gov> chung@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Po Sum Chung ACF) writes:
>>(Tommy Szeto) writes:
>>> Water gradually builds up in the trunk of my friend's 89 Ford Probe. Every
>>> once in a while we would have to remove the spare and scoop out the water
>>> under the plywood/carpet cover on the trunk. I would guess this usually
>>I noticed this is my '89 probe also, when recently cleaning out the back. I
>>think the water is coming *up* through some rubber stoppered holes beneath the
>>spare. Mine looked slightly worn, and there was no water or water damage
>I have the same problem with my '90 probe. The water is definitely not comming
>up from the rubber stoppered hole beneath the spare. I have to remove the
>rubber stopper to drain the water. Seems like a common problem with probe.
There is a known problem with the seals on the taillights of <93 probes.
Complain loudly to your dealer and get them to install new seals. It is
a known problem, present on most (if not all) pre-93 Probes, so you
shouldn't have to pay them to fix it. In my case, they fixed it on
my extended warranty (I just had to pay a $50 deductable) (the
work was valued at something like $185 with labor and parts). Having
removed the tail lamps myself on other occasions, I think their estimate
was fair.
--
Bill Heiser heiser@acs.bu.edu, heiser@world.std.com
Boston University, Boston MA
| 7rec.autos
|
Boston 2 2 0--4
Ottawa 0 1 1--2
First period
1, Boston, Roberts 5 (Juneau) 7:19.
2, Boston, Wiemer 1(Juneau, Oates) 17:47.
Second period
3, Boston, Neely 11 (Juneau, Murphy) 6:10.
4, Boston, Hughes 5 (Richer, Kimble) 7:55.
5, Ottawa, Archibald 9 (Rumble, Lamb) 11:37.
Third period
6, Ottawa, Boschman 9 (Kudelski) 5:10.
Boston: 4 Power play: 2-0
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Hughes 1 0 1
Juneau 0 3 3
Kimble 0 1 1
Murphy 0 1 1
Neely 1 0 1
Oates 0 1 1
Richer 0 1 1
Roberts 1 0 1
Wiemer 1 0 1
Ottawa: 2 Power play: 4-0
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Archibald 1 0 1
Boschman 1 0 1
Kudelski 0 1 1
Lamb 0 1 1
Rumble 0 1 1
-----------------------------------------
Washington 0 0 2--2
NY Rangers 0 0 0--0
First period
No scoring.
Second period
No scoring.
Third period
1, Washington, Bondra 36 (Pivonka, Cavallini) 6:54.
2, Washington, Bondra 37 (Cote, Pivonka) 10:10.
Washington: 2 Power play: 2-0
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Bondra 2 0 2
Cavallini 0 1 1
Cote 0 1 1
Pivonka 0 2 2
NY Rangers: 0 Power play: 1-0
No scoring
-----------------------------------------
NY Islanders 2 1 1 0--4
Hartford 2 1 1 1--5
First period
1, NY Islanders, Ferraro 13 (Malakhov, King) 1:29.
2, NY Islanders, Hogue 32 (Thomas, Turgeon) 1:57.
3, Hartford, Yake 21(Poulin) 4:15.
4, Hartford, Yake 22 (Nylander, Poulin) 16:44.
Second period
5, Hartford, Verbeek 39 (Cassels, Weinrich) pp, 2:43.
6, NY Islanders, Thomas 35 (King, Ferraro) 7:58.
Third period
7, Hartford, Burt 5 (Sanderson, Cassels) 13:41.
8, NY Islanders, Malakhov 14 (Hogue) 17:45.
Overtime
9, Hartford, Janssens 12 (Poulin) 1:08.
Hartford: 5 Power play: 3-1
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Burt 1 0 1
Cassels 0 2 2
Janssens 1 0 1
Nylander 0 1 1
Poulin 0 3 3
Sanderson 0 1 1
Verbeek 1 0 1
Weinrich 0 1 1
Yake 2 0 2
NY Islanders: 4 Power play: 3-0
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Ferraro 1 1 2
Hogue 1 1 2
King 0 2 2
Malakhov 1 1 2
Thomas 1 1 2
Turgeon 0 1 1
-----------------------------------------
Pittsburgh 2 3 1 0--6
New Jersey 2 4 0 0--6
First period
1, Pittsburgh, Daniels 5 (Needham, Tippett) 4:14.
2, New Jersey, Lemieux 29 (Semak, Driver) 10:19.
3, Pittsburgh, Stevens 55(Tocchet, Murphy) pp, 12:40.
4, New Jersey, Zelepukin 22 (Driver, Niedermayer) 17:26.
Second period
5, Pittsburgh, Lemieux 68 (Stevens, Tocchet) 1:42.
6, New Jersey, Semak 36 (Lemieux, Zelepukin) 2:27.
7, Pittsburgh, McEachern 28 (Jagr, Barrasso) 4:24.
8, New Jersey, Stevens 12 (Guerin, Pellerin) 5:45.
9, Pittsburgh, Lemieux 69 (unassisted) sh, 12:40.
10, New Jersey, Richer 37 (Nicholls) 15:53.
11, New Jersey, Lemieux 30 (Semak, Zelepukin) 17:40.
Third period
12, Pittsburgh, Mullen 33 (Jagr, Lemieux) 18:54.
Overtime
No scoring.
Pittsburgh: 6 Power play: 5-1 Special goals: pp: 1 sh: 1 Total: 2
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Barrasso 0 1 1
Daniels 1 0 1
Jagr 0 2 2
Lemieux 2 1 3
McEachern 1 0 1
Mullen 1 0 1
Murphy 0 1 1
Needham 0 1 1
Stevens 1 1 2
Tippett 0 1 1
Tocchet 0 2 2
New Jersey: 6 Power play: 3-0
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Driver 0 2 2
Guerin 0 1 1
Lemieux 2 1 3
Nicholls 0 1 1
Niedermayer 0 1 1
Pellerin 0 1 1
Richer 1 0 1
Semak 1 2 3
Stevens 1 0 1
Zelepukin 1 2 3
-----------------------------------------
| 10rec.sport.hockey
|
In article 2773@leland.Stanford.EDU, shiva@leland.Stanford.EDU (Matt Jacobson) writes:
...
> I have taken it out of win.ini, but it still pops up running with windows.
> I did a big search and found reference to it in ndw.ini, system.ini and
> progman.ini. Removing it here causes a failure when starting up windows
> (progrman.ini has a "group 7 = ...ndw.exe..." which can't be deleted.)
>
> Is there anyone familiar with NDW who can tell me how to turn it off??
>
One of the items in the group folder (typically called Norton Desktop Applications)
is labelled "Norton Desktop Uninstall". Need I say more!
---
Kris B. Gupta - Cardiothoracic Imaging Research Center
Dept Radiology - Hospital of U of Pennsylvania
Internet: kris@gynko.circ.upenn.edu
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc
|
In article <1993Apr27.203119.23291@cs.ucla.edu> steven@surya.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Berson) writes:
hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky) writes:
>Bull shit. There is no reason in the world why we can't say that
>taking views analogous to the KKK's or some such organization is
>wrong. There is no reason why some morality may not be legislated. As
>it is we do not allow theft, or murder, or rape. Why should we allow
>hateful sppech whose only purpose is to stir anger and violence.
>Harry.
I think the answer to Mr. Mayamsky's question can be found in the
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^(Mr. Mamaysky's)
first amendment to the US Constitution.
Amendment I (1791)
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of
religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or
abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the
right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition
the government for a redress of grievances.
Steve
I do not say that freedom of speech should be banned. Far from it.
I am merely suggesting that there are certain things which can be
universally agreed to be morally incorrect. There are not many such
things. But there are some. As an example:
(1) murder is morally incorrect
(2) the idea that one group of people is somehow racially inferior to
another is morally incorrect
etc.
The point is that any action which serves to promote a morally
incorrect action should be forbidden. This implies that no one has the
right to say that an innocent person should be murdered. Regardless of
freedom of speech, I may not stand on a street corner and advocate the
murder of innocent people. The reason for this is that murder is a
morally incorrect action.
In the same way, since bigotry is morally incorrect in the narrow
definition which we have given it, (2), I, nor any one else, has the
right to stand on a street corner and promote bigotry. Such an
enforcement does in no way deny any one their rights as guaranteed by
the first amendment. It merely ensures that no person may be the
target of an attempt to deny him a fundamental moral right, such as
the right to not be murdered, and the right not to be discriminated
against.
I believe, Mr. Berson, that to blindly accept the constitution is a
terrific mistake. We must cinstantly question the constitution and
interpret it in a way befitting the society in which we live. Anything
short of such an effort would render us little more than trained
monkeys, who are able to merely repeat what they have heard without
paying the slightest bit of attention to the intent of the document in
question.
Would you disagree, Mr.Berson?
Harry.
| 17talk.politics.mideast
|
In article <lsr6ihINNsa@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> emarsh@hernes-sun.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Marsh) writes:
#In article <1qjahh$mrs@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
#>Science ("the real world") has its basis in values, not the other way round,
#>as you would wish it. If there is no such thing as objective value, then
#>science can not objectively be said to be more useful than a kick in the head.
#>Simple theories with accurate predictions could not objectively be said
#>to be more useful than a set of tarot cards. You like those conclusions?
#>I don't.
#
#I think that you are changing the meaning of "values" here. Perhaps
#it is time to backtrack and take a look at the word.
#
#value n. 1. A fair equivalent or return for something, such as goods
#or service. 2. Monetary or material worth. 3. Worth as measured in
#usefulness or importance; merit. 4. A principle, standard, or quality
#considered inherently worthwhile or desirable. 5. Precise meaning, as
#of a word. 6. An assigned or calculated numerical quantity. 7. Mus.
#The relative duratation of a tone or rest. 8. The relative darkness or
#lightness of a color. 9. The distinctive quality of a speech or speech
#sound.
#
#In context of a moral system, definition four seems to fit best. In terms
#of scientific usage, definitions six or eight might apply. Note that
#these definitions do not mean the same thing.
No, I'm using definition (3), or perhaps (4) in both cases. If there
is no objective worth, usefulness, or importance then science has no
objective worth, usefulness, or importance. If nothing is inherently
worthwhile or desirable, then simple theories with accurate predictions
are not inherently worthwhile or desirable. Do you see any flaws in this?
If on the other hand, some things *have* objective worth, usefulness,
or importance, it would be interesting to know what they are.
#If you can provide an objective foundation for "morality" then that will
#be a good beginning.
I'm not willing to attempt this until someone provides an objective
basis for the notion that science is useful, worthy, or important in
dealing with observed facts. Alternatively, you could try to
demonstrate to me that science is not necessarily useful, worthy
or important in any situation. In other words, I need to know
how you use the term "objective".
#eric
--
Frank O'Dwyer 'I'm not hatching That'
odwyer@sse.ie from "Hens", by Evelyn Conlon
| 0alt.atheism
|
Sorry for posting this, but my e-mail keeps bouncing. Maybe it will
help others here, anyway, and therefore I pray others will read this. It is
actually a response from my Aunt, who has 5 kids, since I have none yet.
>Hi I am a Sociology student and I am currently researching into
>young offenders. I am looking at the way various groups of
>children are raised at home. At the moment I am formlulating
>information on discipline within the Christian home.
>
>Please, if you are a parent in this catagory can you email me
>your response to the following questionaire. All responses
>will be treated confidentially and will only be used to prepare
>stats.
I'm posting this for a good Christian relative who does not have e-mail
access. Since this aunt and uncle have 5 kids I felt they would be more
relevant than I, who have none (yet).
>1. Ages & sexes of children
13-year-old (13YO) twins, 10YO boy, 6.5YO boy, 2YO girl
>2. Do you spank your kids?
I don't call it spanking, but they do, so yes, very rarely.
>3. If so how often?
I don't call it spanking because it's more of a reaction to something
very dangerous, such as trying to stick their finger in a fan or running
into the road. Maybe 3-4 times for each except for the 2YO girl, who has
not been spanked yet.
They call it that because it *does* hurt their feelings, and of course
I give all the hugs and stuff to ensure they know they're still loved.
>4. Do you use an implement to spank with?
No, that would be too painful. If it's too traumatic they never recall
why they were punished. Besides, it must be immediate, and taking the time
to go get a toolmeans you're not doing it right away, and that lessens the
impact. It's very emotional for a child as it is - which is evidenced by the
fact that a little slap on the rear - which hurts for perhaps 5 seconds -
is called a spanking.
>
>5. If you do not spank, what method of discipline do you use?
Lots of logical consequences - for instance, when 4YO Matthew dared
a good friend to jump out of his treehouse or he would push him out, I made
sure they didn't play together for 5 days so he'd know that would make him
lose friends very quickly. He's never done anything like that since.
We also use time-out in their rooms - I use a timer so they don't keep
arguing with me over leaving, since it's hard to argue with a macine.
I will go to the closed door and tell them timeout won't be over until they
calm down if they're too tantrumy. I use the top of the stairs when they're
really young.
>6. Your age?
40
>7. Your location
Bath, Ohio. It's right outside of Akron, in the northeast part of Ohio.
>8. While under the age of 16 did you ever commit a criminal
>offence?
No, and none of my kids would dream of it. I hope you can use this to
teach all parents that physical punishment isn't always required - parents use
that as an excuse to hit too hard.
>9. How ere you disciplined as a kid
Lots of timeouts, same as I use. Our family and my husband's have never
used spankings. In fact, my grandmother in law was one of 11 kids, and they
were almost never spanked. This was around the turn of the century. And,
none of us has ever been afoul of the law - man-made or God's law.
Jesus says, referring to a small child whom he is holding, that "what
ye do to the least of these, ye do also to me." The Bible also says in all
things to be kind, and merciful, and especially loving. (Colossians 3:12-15.)
There is no room for selfish anger, which I'll admit I've been tempted with
at times. When I've felt like spanking hard in anger, maybe the kid deserved
a little slap on the rear, but what I would have given would have been the
devil's work. I could feel the temptation, and just angrily ordered the kid
to his/her room and went to my room myself. After praying and asking God's
forgiveness, I was much calmer, and did not feel like spanking, but felt that
what I had done was enough punishment.
--
Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu : Me, age 4 & now: "Mommys and Daddys & other
Ever wonder if, after Casey : relatives have to give lots of hugs & love
missed the 3rd strike in the poem: & support, 'cause Heaven is just a great
he ran to first and made it? : big hug that lasts forever and ever!!!"
| 15soc.religion.christian
|
Also remember that most people map the
sanguine/choleric/melencholic/phlegmatic division onto the extraversion
and neuroticism dimensions (Like Eysenck) and that the MBTI does not
deal with neuroticism (Costa & McCrae).
Frank Fujita
| 13sci.med
|
So, I begin my 6 week sabbatical in about 15 minutes. Six wonderful weeks
of riding, and no phones or email.
I won't have any way to check mail (or setup a vacation agent, no sh*t!),
though I can dial in and get newsfeed, (dont ask), so if there are any
outstanding CFC's or such things,please try my compuserve address:
72517.3356@compuserve.com
Anybody wants to do some WEEKDAY rides around the BA, send me a mail
to above or post here.
I'll be thinking about all of you stuck if front of your
terminals......"Sheeyaahhh, and monkeys might fly out of my butt..."
ride safe,
dave
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THE ASTRONOMICAL SOCIETY OF THE ATLANTIC
Volume 4, Number 9 - April 1993
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TABLE OF CONTENTS
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* ASA Membership and Article Submission Information
* The Soviets and Venus, Part 3 - Larry Klaes
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THE SOVIETS AND VENUS
PART 3
Copyright (c) 1993 by Larry Klaes
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entirety.
To the North Pole!
On June 2 and 7, 1983, two of the Soviet Union's mighty PROTON
rockets lifted off from the Tyuratam Space Center in the Kazakhstan
Republic. Aboard those boosters were a new breed of VENERA probe
for the planet Venus.
Designated VENERA 15 and 16, the probes were meant not for landing
yet more spherical craft on the Venerean surface but to radar map the
planet in detail from orbit. To accomplish this task, the basic
VENERA design was modified in numerous areas. The central bus core
was made one meter (39.37 inches) longer to carry the two tons of
propellant required for braking into orbit, double the fuel carried by
the VENERA 9 and 10 orbiters eight years earlier. Extra solar panels
were added on to give the vehicles more power for handling the large
amounts of data which would be created by the radar imaging. The
dish-shaped communications antennae were also made one meter larger
to properly transmit this information to Earth.
Atop the buses, where landers were usually placed, were installed
the 1.4 by 6-meter (4.62 by 19.8-foot), 300-kilogram (660-pound)
POLYUS V side-looking radar antennae. The radar system, possibly a
terrain-imaging version of the nuclear-powered satellites used by
the Soviets for Earth ocean surveillance, would be able to map Venus'
surface at a resolution of one to two kilometers (0.62 to 1.2 miles).
The Soviet probes' imaging parameters were a vast improvement over
the United States PIONEER VENUS Orbiter, which could reveal objects
no smaller than 75 kilometers (45 miles) in diameter. And while the
VENERAs' resolution was comparable to that of similar observations
made by the 300-meter (1,000-foot) Arecibo radio telescope on the
island of Puerto Rico, the orbiters would be examining the northern
pole of Venus. This region was unobtainable by either Arecibo or
PIONEER VENUS and appeared to contain a number of potentially
interesting geological features worthy of investigation.
On October 10, 1983, after an interplanetary journey of 330
million kilometers (198 million miles) and two mid-course corrections,
VENERA 15 fired its braking rockets over Venus to place itself in a
polar orbit 1,000 by 65,000 kilometers (600 by 39,000 miles) around
the planet, completing one revolution every twenty-four hours. VENERA
16 followed suit four days later. The twin probes thus became Venus'
first polar-circling spacecraft.
Radar operations began on October 16 for VENERA 15 and October 20
for VENERA 16. For up to sixteen minutes every orbit over the north
pole, the probes would make a radar sweep of the surface 150 kilometers
(ninety miles) wide and nine thousand kilometers (5,400 miles) long.
The craft would then head out to the highest part of their orbits over
the south pole to recharge their batteries and transmit the data back
to two large Soviet antennae on Earth. Each strip of information took
eight hours to process by computer. By the end of their main missions
in July of 1984, the VENERAs had mapped 115 million square kilometers
(46 million square miles), thirty percent of the entire planet.
VENERA 15 and 16 revealed that Venus has a surface geology more
complex than shown by PIONEER VENUS in the late 1970s. Numerous hills,
mountains, ridges, valleys, and plains spread across the landscape,
many of them apparently formed by lava from erupting volcanoes in the
last one billion years. In planetary terms this makes the Venerean
surface rather young. Hundreds of craters were detected as well, the
largest of which had to have been created by meteorites (planetoids
would be a better term here) at least fourteen kilometers (8.4 miles)
across, due to Venus' very dense atmosphere.
There were some disagreements between U.S. and Soviet scientists
on the origins of certain surface features. For example, the probes'
owners declared that the 96-kilometer (57.6-mile) wide crater at the
summit of 10,800-meter (35,640-foot) high Maxwell Montes, the tallest
mountain on the planet, was the result of a meteorite impact. American
scientists, on the other hand, felt the crater was proof that Maxwell
was a huge volcano sitting on the northern "continent" of Ishtar Terra.
In any event, the U.S. decided to wait on making verdicts about
Venus until the arrival of their own radar probe, scheduled for later
in the decade. Originally named the Venus Orbiting Imaging Radar
(VOIR), its initial design was scaled back and the craft was redesig-
nated the Venus Radar Mapper (VRM). Eventually the machine would be
called MAGELLAN, after the Portuguese navigator Ferdinand Magellan
(circa 1480-1521). This vehicle would map the entire planet in even
finer detail than the VENERAs. For the time, however, the Soviet
probes maintained that distinction.
Radar imaging was not the only ability of the VENERAs. Bolted
next to the POLYUS V radar antenna were the Omega altimeter and the
Fourier infrared spectrometer, the latter for measuring the world's
temperatures. The majority of the areas covered registered about
five hundred degrees Celsius (932 degrees Fahrenheit), but a few
locations were two hundred degrees hotter, possibly indicating
current volcanic activity. The probes also found that the clouds
over the poles were five to eight kilometers (three to 4.8 miles)
lower than at the equator. In contrast, the polar air above sixty
kilometers (thirty-six miles) altitude was five to twenty degrees
warmer than the equatorial atmosphere at similar heights.
When the main mapping mission ended in July of 1984, there were
plans for at least one of the VENERAs to radar image the surface at
more southernly latitudes. Unfortunately this idea did not come to
pass, as the orbiters may not have possessed enough attitude-control
gas to perform the operation.
VENERA 15 and 16 ceased transmission in March of 1985, leaving
the Soviet Institute of Radiotechnology and Electronics with six
hundred kilometers (360 miles) of radar data tape to sort into an
atlas of twenty-seven maps of the northern hemisphere of Venus.
Venus by Balloon
For years the thick atmosphere of Venus had been a tempting
target to scientists who wished to explore the planet's mantle of
air with balloon-borne instruments. Professor Jacques Blamont of
the French space agency Centre National d'Etudes Spatiales (CNES)
had proposed such an idea as far back as 1967, only to have a joint
French-Soviet balloon mission canceled in 1982. Nevertheless,
late in the year 1984, such dreams would eventually come true.
When two PROTON rockets were sent skyward on December 15 and 21,
the Soviet Union provided Western observers with the first clear, full
views of the booster which had been launching every Soviet Venus probe
since 1975. This was but one of many firsts for the complex mission.
The unmanned probes launched into space that December were named
VEGA 1 and 2, a contraction of the words VENERA and GALLEI - Gallei
being the Russian word for Halley. Not only did the spacecraft
have more than one mission to perform, they also had more than one
celestial objective to explore, namely the comet Halley.
This famous periodic traveler was making its latest return to
the inner regions of the solar system since its last visit in 1910.
Since it was widely believed that comets are the icy remains from
the formation of the solar system five billion years ago, scientists
around the world gave high priority to exploring one of the few such
bodies which actually come close to Earth.
Most comets linger in the cold and dark outer fringes of the solar
system. Some, like Halley, are perturbed by various forces and fall
in towards the Sun, where they circle for millennia spewing out ice
and debris for millions of kilometers from the warmth of each solar
encounter.
The Soviet Union, along with the European Space Agency (ESA) and
Japan's Institute of Space and Astronautical Science (ISAS), did not
wish to miss out on this first opportunity in human history to make a
close examination of Halley. The ESA would be using the cylindrical
GIOTTO probe to make a dangerously close photographic flyby of the
comet, while Japan's first deep space craft - SAKIGAKE (Pioneer) and
SUISEI (Comet) - would view Halley from a much safer distance.
Scientists in the United States also desired to study the comet
from the vantage of a space probe, at one time envisioning a vessel
powered by solar sails or ion engines. However, government budget
cuts to NASA canceled the American efforts. The U.S. would have to
make do primarily with Earth-based observations and the sharing of
data from other nations, though an instrument named the Dust Counter
and Mass Analyzer (DUCMA), designed by Chicago University Professor
John Simpson, was added on the Soviet mission in May of 1984.
The Soviets' answer to Halley were the VEGAs. Instead of building
an entirely new craft for the mission, the Soviets decided to modify
their VENERA bus design to encounter the comet while performing an
advanced Venus mission along the way. As VEGA 1 and 2 reached Venus,
the buses would drop off one lander/balloon each and use the mass of
the shrouded planet to swing them towards comet Halley, much as the
U.S. probe MARINER 10 used Venus to flyby Mercury eleven years earlier.
The Soviet craft would then head on to Halley, helping to pinpoint the
location of the comet's erupting nucleus for the GIOTTO probe to dive
in only 605 kilometers (363 miles) away in March of 1986.
As planned, the two VEGAs arrived at Venus in June of 1985. VEGA
1 released its payload first on the ninth day of the month, the lander
making a two-day descent towards the planet. The craft touched the
upper atmosphere on the morning of June 11. Sixty-one kilometers
(36.6 miles) above the Venerean surface a small container was released
by the lander, which produced a parachute at 55 kilometers (33 miles)
altitude. Thus the first balloon probe ever to explore Venus had
successfully arrived.
One kilometer after the opening of the parachute, helium gas was
pumped into the Teflon-coated plastic balloon, inflating it to a
diameter of 3.54 meters (11.68 feet). Dangling on a tether thirteen
meters (42.9 feet) below was the instrument package, properly known as
an aerostat. The top part of the 6.9-kilogram (15.18-pound) aerostat
consisted of a cone which served as an antenna and tether attachment
point to the balloon. Beneath it was the transmitter, electronics,
and instruments. Connected at the bottom was a nephelometer for
measuring cloud particles. The aerostat was painted with a special
white finish to keep at bay the corroding mist of sulfuric acid which
permeated the planet's atmosphere.
The VEGA 1 balloon was dropped into the night side of Venus just
north of the equator. Scientists were concerned that the gas bag
would burst in the heat of daylight, so they placed it in the darkened
hemisphere to give the craft as much time as possible to return data.
This action necessitated that the landers come down in the dark as
well, effectively removing the camera systems used on previous missions.
The author wonders, though, if they could have used floodlights similar
to the ones attached to VENERA 9 and 10 in 1975, when Soviet scientists
had thought the planet's surface was enshrouded in a perpetual twilight
due to the permanently thick cloud cover.
The first balloon transmitted for 46.5 hours right into the day
hemisphere before its lithium batteries failed, covering 11,600
kilometers (6,960 miles). The threat of bursting in the day heat did
not materialize. The VEGA 1 balloon was stationed at a 54-kilometer
(32.4-mile) altitude after dropping ballast at fifty kilometers
(thirty miles), for this was considered the most active of the three
main cloud layers reported by PIONEER VENUS in 1978. Indeed the
balloon was pushed across the planet at speeds up to 250 kilometers
(150 miles) per hour. Strong vertical winds bobbed the craft up and
down two to three hundred meters (660 to 990 feet) through most of the
journey. The layer's air temperature averaged forty degrees Celsius
(104 degrees Fahrenheit) and pressure was a mere 0.5 Earth atmosphere.
The nephelometer could find no clear regions in the surrounding clouds.
Early in the first balloon's flight, the VEGA 1 lander was already
headed towards the Venerean surface. Both landers were equipped with
a soil drill and analyzer similar to the ones carried on VENERA 13
and 14 in 1982. However, VEGA 1 would become unable to report the
composition of the ground at its landing site in Rusalka Planitia, the
Mermaid Plain north of Aphrodite Terra. While still ten to fifteen
minutes away from landing, a timer malfunction caused the drill to
accidentally begin its programmed activity sixteen kilometers (9.6
miles) above the surface.
There was neither any way to shut off the instrument before
touchdown nor reactivate it after landing. This was unfortunate not
only for the general loss of data but also for the fact that most of
Venus was covered with such smooth low-level lava plains and had never
before been directly examined. Nevertheless, the surface temperature
and pressure was calculated at 468 degrees Celsius (874.4 degrees
Fahrenheit) and 95 Earth atmospheres respectively during the lander's
56 minutes of ground transmissions. A large amount of background
infrared radiation was also recorded at the site.
As had been done when the drills and cameras on VENERA 11 and
12 had failed in December of 1978, the Soviets focused on the data
returned during the lander's plunge through the atmosphere. The
French-Soviet Malachite mass spectrometer detected sulfur, chlorine,
and possibly phosphorus. It is the sulfur - possibly from active
volcanoes - which gives the Venerean clouds their yellowish color.
The Sigma 3 gas chromatograph found that every cubic meter of air
between an altitude of 48 and 63 kilometers (28.8 and 37.8 miles)
contained one milligram (0.015 grain) of sulfuric acid.
The VEGA 1 data on the overall structure of the cloud decks
appeared to be at odds with the information from PIONEER VENUS.
The case was made even stronger by the fact that VEGA 2's results
nearly matched its twin. The VEGAs found only two main cloud layers
instead of the three reported by the U.S. probes. The layers were
three to five kilometers (1.8 to 3 miles) thick at altitudes of 50
and 58 kilometers (30 and 34.8 miles). The clouds persisted like a
thin fog until clearing at an altitude of 35 kilometers (21 miles),
much lower than the PV readings. One possibility for the discrepan-
cies may have been radical structural changes in the Venerean air
over the last seven years.
When the lander and balloon finally went silent, the last
functioning part of the VEGA 1 mission, the flyby bus, sailed on
for a 708 million-kilometer (424.8 million-mile) journey around
the Sun to become the first probe to meet comet Halley. On March
6, 1986, the bus made a 8,890-kilometer (5,334-mile) pass at the
dark and icy visitor before traveling on in interplanetary space.
The Soviets had accomplished their first mission to two celestial
bodies with one space vessel.
On June 13, VEGA 2 released its lander/balloon payload for
a two-day fall towards Venus. Like its duplicate, the VEGA 2
balloon radioed information back to the twenty antennae tracking
it on Earth for 46.5 hours before battery failure on the morning
side of the planet. During its 11,100-kilometer (6,660-mile)
flight over Venus, the second balloon entered in a rather still
environment which became less so twenty hours into the mission.
After 33 hours mission time the air became even more turbulent
for a further eight hours. When the balloon passed over a five-
kilometer (three-mile) mountain on the "continent" of Aphrodite
Terra, a powerful downdraft pulled the craft 2.5 kilometers (1.5
miles) towards the surface.
Temperature sensors on the VEGA 2 balloon reported that the air
layer it was moving through was consistently 6.5 degrees Celsius
(43.7 degrees Fahrenheit) cooler than the area explored by the VEGA 1
balloon. This was corroborated by the VEGA 2 lander as it passed
through the balloon's level. No positive indications of lightning
were made by either balloon, and the second aerostat's nephelometer
failed to function.
The VEGA 2 lander touched down on the northern edge of Aphrodite
Terra's western arm on the fifteenth of June, 1,500 kilometers (900
miles) southeast of VEGA 1. The lander's resting place was smoother
than thought, indicating either a very ancient and worn surface or a
relatively young one covered in fresh lava. The soil drill was in
working order and reported a rock type known as anorthosite-troctolite,
rare on Earth but present in Luna's highlands. This rock is rich in
aluminum and silicon but lacking in iron and magnesium. A high degree
of sulfur was also present in the soil. The air around VEGA 2 measured
463 degrees Celsius (865.4 degrees Fahrenheit) and 91 Earth atmospheres,
essentially a typical day (or night) on Venus.
Far above the VEGA 2 lander, its carrier bus sped past Venus at
a distance of 24,500 kilometers (14,700 miles) and followed its twin
to comet Halley, making a closer flyby on March 9, 1986 at just 8,030
kilometers (4,818 miles). Both probes helped to reveal that the comet
is a very dark and irregular-shaped mass about fourteen kilometers
(8.4 miles) across, rotating once every 53 hours, give or take three
hours.
Since both VEGA craft were still functioning after their Halley
encounters, Soviet scientists considered an option to send the
probes to other celestial objects. One prime target was the near-
Earth planetoid 2101 Adonis, which VEGA 2 could pass at a distance
of six million kilometers (3.6 million miles). Sadly, the Soviets
had to back out on the opportunity to become the first nation to fly
a spacecraft past a planetoid when it was discovered that there was
not enough maneuvering fuel in the probe to reach Adonis as planned.
VEGA 1 and 2 were quietly shut down in early 1987.
Future Plans Diverted
The impressive VEGA mission had given some scientists numerous
ideas and hope for even more ambitious expeditions to the second
world from the Sun. One example was the VESTA mission, planned for
the early 1990s.
This Soviet-French collaboration called for the launch of multiple
probes on a single PROTON rocket in either 1991 or 1992. The craft
would first swing by Venus and drop off several landers and balloon
probes. The aerostats would be designed to survive in the planet's
corrosive atmosphere for up to one month, a large improvement over
the VEGA balloons' two days. The mission would then head out to
investigate several planetoids and comets, including a possible
landing on Vesta (thus the mission name), the most reflective Main
Belt planetoid as seen from Earth.
Unfortunately for Venus exploration, plans began to change in
the Soviet Union. In 1986 the Soviets decided to reroute the VESTA
mission to the red planet Mars instead of Venus, keeping the comet
and planetoid aspects intact. By this time in the Soviet space
program interest was focusing on Mars. Already under construction
was an entirely new probe design called PHOBOS. Two members of this
class were planned to leave Earth in 1988 and orbit Mars the next
year. PHOBOS 1 and 2 would then place the first instruments on
Mars' largest moon, Phobos.
All this was a prelude to even more advanced Mars expeditions,
including balloon probes, rovers, soil sample return craft, and
eventually human explorers in the early Twenty-First Century.
The environment of Venus was just too hostile for any serious
consideration of human colonization in the near future.
But things began to look bleak for Soviet Venus and Mars
exploration. Both PHOBOS probes failed to complete their missions,
one losing contact on the way to the Red Planet in 1988 and the other
going silent in Mars orbit just one week before the planned moon
landing in March of 1989.
In 1989 a plan was devised for a Venus orbiter to drop eight to
ten penetrators around the planet in 1998. Several years later the
mission launch date was moved to the year 2005 and has now been put
on indefinite hold. No other official Soviet missions to Venus have
since been put forth, a sad commentary after twenty-five years of
continuous robotic exploration of the planet.
During the late 1980s a drastic political and economic change
was taking over the Soviet Union. President Mikhail Gorbachev began
to "open up" his nation to the benefits of increased cooperation with
the rest of the nations, particularly those in the West. While the
culture became less oppressive than in the past, the economy was taking
a very rough ride as it also underwent the effects of a "free market".
These effects hit everywhere, including the space program.
Missions at all levels were cut back. The Soviets began making
almost desperate attempts to cooperate with other space-faring
nations either to keep their remaining programs alive or just to
make money.
In early 1992 it was reported that the Soviets were offering for
sale several fully-equipped VENERAs they had in storage for the price
of 1.6 million dollars each, an incredibly low price for any planetary
probe. No nation took them up on the bargain. Meanwhile the United
States was gearing up for new Venus missions of their own.
MAGELLAN and GALILEO
The U.S. reactivated their long-dormant planetary exploration
with the launch of the Space Shuttle ATLANTIS on May 4, 1989.
Aboard the Shuttle was the MAGELLAN spacecraft, a combination of
spare parts from other U.S. probes designed to make the most
detailed and complete radar-mapping of Venus in history. When
MAGELLAN reached the second world in August of 1990, it would be
able to map almost the entire planet down to a resolution of 108
meters (360 feet), surpassing the abilities of VENERA 15 and 16.
In the interim another American probe was launched from a Space
Shuttle which would make a quick flyby of Venus on its way to orbit
the giant planet Jupiter in 1995. On October 18, 1989, the Shuttle
ATLANTIS released its second unmanned planetary probe into space,
named GALILEO after the famous Italian astronomer who discovered the
probe's primary target's major moons in 1610.
In the absence of a powerful enough booster to send GALILEO on
a direct flight to the Jovian planet, the probe was sent around
Venus and Earth several times to build up enough speed to reach
Jupiter. As a result, Venus became GALILEO's first planetary
goal in February of 1990. The probe radioed back images of the
planet's swirling clouds and further indications of lightning in
that violent atmosphere.
On the Drawing Boards
With the incredible success of MAGELLAN in the last few years,
new plans have been laid out for further journeys to Venus. Scien-
tists in the U.S. have talked to space scientists in the former Soviet
Union - now the Commonwealth of Independent States since January 1,
1992 - of a cooperative effort to launch new VENERA lander missions
within in the next decade. Japan, India, and the ESA have also
considered their own Venus missions in the next few decades.
In February of 1993 NASA came up with several new Venus projects
as part of their Discovery Program for launching inexpensive probes
throughout the solar system. For Venus two missions were selected
for further study: A Venus Multiprobe Mission involving the landing
of fourteen small probes over one hemisphere to measure winds, air
temperature, and pressure; and the Venus Composition Probe, designed
to study Venus' atmosphere while descending through the thick air
with the aid of a parachute, much as the Soviets had done since 1967.
Final project decisions will be made in 1994.
Humans on Venus
Will a human ever be able to stand on the surface of Venus?
At present the lead-melting temperatures and crushing air pressure
would be threatening to any Earth life not protected in something
even tougher than a VENERA lander. Plans have been looked into
changing the environment of Venus itself into something more like
Earth's. However, it should be noted that any such undertaking
will require the removal of much of the thick carbon dioxide
atmosphere, a major reduction in surface heat, and the ability
to speed up the planet's rotation rate to something a bit faster
than once every 243 Earth days. Such a project may take centuries
if not millennia.
In the meantime efforts should be made to better understand
Venus as its exists today. We still have yet to fully know how
a world so seemingly similar to Earth in many important ways became
instead such a deadly place. Will Earth ever suffer this fate?
Perhaps Venus holds the answers. Such answers may best be found
through international cooperation, including the nation which
made the first attempts to lift the cloudy veils from Venus.
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Robertson, Donald F., "Venus - A Prime Soviet Objective" (Parts
1/2), SPACEFLIGHT, Volume 34, Numbers 5/6, British Interplanetary
Society (BIS), London, England, May/June 1992
Smith, Arthur, PLANETARY EXPLORATION: THIRTY YEARS OF UNMANNED
SPACE PROBES, Patrick Stephens, Ltd., Wellingborough, Northamp-
tonshire, England, 1988
VOYAGE THROUGH THE UNIVERSE: THE NEAR PLANETS, By the Editors
of Time-Life Books, Inc., Alexandria, Virginia, 1990
Wilson, Andrew, JANE'S SOLAR SYSTEM LOG, Jane's Publishing, Inc.,
New York, 1987
About the Author -
Larry Klaes, EJASA Editor, is the recipient of the ASA's 1990
Meritorious Service Award for his work as Editor of the EJASA since
its founding in August of 1989. Larry also teaches a course on
Basic Astronomy at the Concord-Carlisle Adult and Community
Education Program in Massachusetts.
Larry is the author of the following EJASA articles:
"The One Dream Man: Robert H. Goddard, Rocket Pioneer" - August 1989
"Stopping Space and Light Pollution" - September 1989
"The Rocky Soviet Road to Mars" - October 1989
"Astronomy and the Family" - May 1991
"The Soviets and Venus, Part 1" - February 1993
"The Soviets and Venus, Part 2" - March 1993
THE ELECTRONIC JOURNAL OF THE ASTRONOMICAL SOCIETY OF THE ATLANTIC
April 1993 - Vol. 4, No. 9
Copyright (c) 1993 - ASA
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In article <114152@bu.edu>, lcai@acs2.bu.edu says:
>
>I just received my Gateway 2000 486DX/33 mini-desktop system.
>The first thing I noticed when I plugged in the power cord is the
>noise that comes from the fan. In fact I can hear the noise in
If your Gateway is equipped with a Western hard drive, then the noise
is probably coming from there and not from the fan. The Western drives
are notoriously noisy. On the other hand, if you don't have a Western
drive, then maybe it is the fan. There's not alot to do about it except
insulate around the cpu somehow.
Barry Aldridge
U of I/Chicago & 24-Hour Bar-B-Q
Standard Old Disclaimer
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I have an idea as to why the encryption algorithm needs to be keep secret,
and some things that i think it implies. (Of course these could all be
wrong.....)
from
THE CLIPPER CHIP: A TECHNICAL SUMMARY
Dorothy Denning
Revised, April 21, 1993
.
.
.
The Clipper Chip contains a classified single-key 64-bit block
encryption algorithm called "Skipjack." The algorithm uses 80 bit keys
(compared with 56 for the DES) and has 32 rounds of scrambling
(compared with 16 for the DES). It supports all 4 DES modes of
operation. The algorithm takes 32 clock ticks, and in Electronic
Codebook (ECB) mode runs at 12 Mbits per second.
Each chip includes the following components:
the Skipjack encryption algorithm
F, an 80-bit family key that is common to all chips
N, a 30-bit serial number (this length is subject to change)
U, an 80-bit secret key that unlocks all messages encrypted with the chip
.
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.
ENCRYPTING WITH THE CHIP
To see how the chip is used, imagine that it is embedded in the AT&T
telephone security device (as it will be). Suppose I call someone and
we both have such a device. After pushing a button to start a secure
conversation, my security device will negotiate an 80-bit session key K
with the device at the other end. This key negotiation takes place
without the Clipper Chip. In general, any method of key exchange can
be used such as the Diffie-Hellman public-key distribution method.
Once the session key K is established, the Clipper Chip is used to
encrypt the conversation or message stream M (digitized voice). The
telephone security device feeds K and M into the chip to produce two
values:
E[M; K], the encrypted message stream, and
E[E[K; U] + N; F], a law enforcement field ,
which are transmitted over the telephone line. The law enforcement
field thus contains the session key K encrypted under the unit key U
concatenated with the serial number N, all encrypted under the family
key F. The law enforcement field is decrypted by law enforcement after
an authorized wiretap has been installed.
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suppose i knew how the algorithm worked and knew the N for my chip, but
did not know F, then by cryptanalysis i might be able to determine F from
if law enforcement field
E[E[K; U] + N; F]
not knowing N would might make this much harder.
Now suppose that I know F, (either legitimately or not),
If I know K (either because I am involved in the conversation, or I know U
for a party in the conversation), I may now be able to determine U for the
other party.
If I know F I can also defeat the law enforcement field, since I could
make my own, with a different K then the one I am using. Knowing F also
allows traffic analysis to be performed. So I might not know what you are
saying but I could know who you are saying it too.
Now I admit that someone trying to compute U will not have lots of
messages to work from, but since we have no way of knowing that the key
generation method does not (deliberately?) generate weak keys, or for that
matter that the published method is in fact used, perhaps the U's will be
chosen from know weak keys for the system.
Obviously the compromise of F would be a disaster, both to law enforcement
for whom this whole thing is designed, and for the people who believe that
it is giving them security. F is but one number, and I sure that alot of
people (more then 1) know what it is (and if some "panel of experts" is
going to check it over for flaws then many more will know F, forget
grinding chips, bribery and blackmail work just fine.
So, am I wrong? Or are these problems.
jon
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There is a contradiction related to the moral issue of polygamy in the
Mormon writings. In the book in the book of Mormon called the book of
Jacob, Joseph Smith wrote that it was an abomination to God for
David and Solomon to have many wives. Later, when Joseph Smith wrote
the Doctrines and Covenants (possibly when polygamy was becoming an
issue in his personal life) he wrote that it was not an abomination for
David to have many wives. How do Mormons answer this contradiction?
Link Hudson.
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In article <C5LMtr.Mo7@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> marshatt@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Za
uberer) writes:
>>>In article <1qgi8eINNhs5@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca>, yiklam@unixg.ubc.ca (Yik Chong
Lam) writes:
>>>|> Hello,
>>>|> Does anyone know how to take out the bolt under the engine
>>>|> compartment? Should I turn clockwise or counter? I tried any kind
>>>|> of lubricants, WD-40,etc, but I still failed!
>>>|> Do you think I can use a electric drill( change to a suitable
>>>|> bit ) to turn it out? If I can succeed, can I re-tighten it not too
>>>|> tight, is it safe without oil leak?
>>>|> Thank you very much in advance------ Winson
Don't worry about leaks. Don't worry about which way to turn the damn thing.
Take a good claw hammer and pry it straight out. Now, you'll notice, after
all the oil pours out, that there are no theads where there used to be.
Thats why 'heli coils' were invented. Yes, buy a few of these gems, and
rethread the hole a little larger each time you change the oil.
When the hole gets too big for any heli coil you can buy, its time to trade in
the car...
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How many of you readers know anything about Jews living in the
Arab countries? How many of you know if Jews still live in these
countries? How many of you know what the circumstances of Arabic
Jews leaving their homelands were? Just curious.
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In article <1993Apr28.075517.717@vms.huji.ac.il> backon@vms.huji.ac.il writes:
>In article <1993Apr27.202905.9409@Virginia.EDU>, ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer") writes:
>> A few things about the University. It is more fun than some may
>> admit. Partying does go on and it has consistently been ranked
>> one of Playboy's top party schools. But we do study and more
>> importantly learn a lot. The overall UVa drug use is actually
>> lower than the average college in the U.S.
>> Thomas Jefferson was the sole author of the Virginia
>> statute for religious freedom(the basis for the first ten
>> amendments), though he is not given full credit for righting
>> the bill of rights. So someone who picked on me for that is
>> right.
>> Andi B.
>
>Medical school ? Like your fellow Austrian Dr. Mengele ??
>
>Josh
>
Oh come on, Josh!
--
Tim Clock Ph.D./Graduate student
UCI tel#: 714,8565361 Department of Politics and Society
fax#: 714,8568441 University of California - Irvine
Home tel#: 714,8563446 Irvine, CA 92717
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