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In article <1r1cl7INNknk@bozo.dsinc.com> perry@dsinc.com (Jim Perry) writes:
>Anyway, since I seem to be the only one following this particular line
>of discussion, I wonder how many of the rest of the readership have
>read this book? What are your thoughts on it?
I read it when it first came out, and the controversy broke. Put my name
on the waiting list at the library (that way if the book was really
offensive, none of my money would find its way to the author or
publisher), and read it, "cover to cover" (to use a phrase that seems
popular here right now).
And I *liked* it. The writing style was a little hard to get used to, but
it was well worth the effort. Coming from a similar background (Rushdie
grew up in Bombay in a muslim family, and moved to England; I grew up in
New Delhi), it made a strong impression on me. (And he used many of the
strange constructions of Indian English: the "yaar" at the end of a
sentence, "Butbutbut," the occasional hindi phrase, etc.)
At the time I still "sorta-kinda" thought of myself as a muslim, and I
couldn't see what the flap was all about. It seemed clear to me that this
was allegory. It was clear that he described some local prostitutes who
took on the names and personae of Muhammed's wives, and had not (as my
grandfather thundered) implied that Muhammed's wives were prostitutes; in
short, every angry muslim that had read even part of the book seemed to
have missed the point completely. (And I won't mention the fact that the
most militant of them had never even seen the book. Oops, I just did!)
Perhaps in a deep sense, the book is insulting to Islam, because it
exposes the silliness of revealed religion - why does an omnipotent deity
need an agent? She can come directly to me, can't she? How do we know that
Muhammed didn't just go out into the desert and smoke something? And how
do we know that the scribes he dictated the Quran to didn't screw up, or
put in their own little verses? And why can Muhammed marry more than four
women, when no other muslim is allowed to? (Although I think the biggest
insult to Islam is that the majority of its followers would want to
suppress a book, sight unseen, on the say-so of some "holy" guy. Not to
mention murder the author.)
>Over the years, when I have made this point, various primarily muslim
>posters have responded, saying that yes indeed they have read the book
>and had called it such things as "filth and lies", "I would rank
>Rushdie's book with Hitler's Mein Kempf or worse", and so on.
I had much the same response when I tried to talk about the book. A really
silly argument - after all, how many of these same people have read "Mein
Kampf?" It just made me wonder - what are they afraid of? Why don't they
just read the book and decide for themselves?
Maybe the reaction of the muslim community to the book, and the absence of
protest from the "liberal" muslims to Khomeini's fatwa outrage, was the
final push I needed into atheism!
-s
--
Shamim Mohamed / {uunet,noao,cmcl2..}!arizona!shamim / shamim@cs.arizona.edu
"Take this cross and garlic; here's a Mezuzah if he's Jewish; a page of the
Koran if he's a Muslim; and if he's a Zen Buddhist, you're on your own."
Member of the League for Programming Freedom - write to lpf@uunet.uu.net
| 0alt.atheism
|
I am, at long last, going to replace my beloved 512ke.
I am looking at a new LC III and a used IIci. Prices
have yet to be worked out, so I'm just thinking right now
about their merits and drawbacks.
Here's what I've thought of:
The IIci has much greater potential for expansion, a la NuBus and
greater memory capacity.
The LC III would be new, under warranty, newer ROMs (is the IIci
"32-bit clean"?), and would have sound input. I also like the
"pizza-box" case.
Performance-wise, I have read that they are almost identical, the
LC III being a little slower.
So, which should I get?
Erik
erik@cheshire.oxy.edu
1
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware
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In article <1993Apr17.170255.23800@abo.fi> MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes:
>
>Jutila was a failure, I think, while Makela (and Ari Haanpaa) had an
>on-again/off-again career with the Islanders. Both players had to play in the
>minors. Of course I "like" our players, I just don't think the names
>you mention could cut it as stars in the NHL! Even "Rexi" in his prime was more
>of a good regular in New York/Edmonton than a superstar in his own right,
>although some blamed that on lack of effort on his behalf.
>
Ruotsaleinen was a more than competent NHL'er...his choice of where
to play when did not bear on his hockey playing ability.
He was crucial to the Oilers Stanley Cup victory in 1990, the one
without Gretzky, because he made an Oiler power play which was
lethargic that year until he arrived slide into overdrive. The
Oilers missed him more the following year than Kurri, and I think
the Oilers would have make the finals if Ruotsaleinen has stayed
around the following season, and would have beaten Pittsburgh
with Ruotsaleinen and a healthy Messier...and delayed Pittsburgh's
dynasty by a season.
Gerald
| 10rec.sport.hockey
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In article <2073@rwing.UUCP> pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes:
> fishing expeditions without the target's knowlege. Don't give up the
> right to be safe from that - that should be non-negotiable, and Clinton
> and Co. know it (which is probably why they quietly developed this thing,
> figuring if they get it this far, they can ram it on through).
It always amazes me how quick people are to blame whatever
administration is current for things they couldn't possibly have
initiated. This chip had to take *years* to develop, yet already
we're claiming that the Clinton administration sneaked it in on us.
Bullshit. The *Bush* administration and the career Gestapo were
responsible for this horror, and the careerists presented it to the
new presidency as a fait accompli. That doesn't excuse Clinton and
Gore from criticism for being so stupid as to go for it, but let's lay
the body at the proper door to start with.
--
Geoff Kuenning geoff@maui.cs.ucla.edu geoff@ITcorp.com
| 11sci.crypt
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In article <1993Apr6.203237.20841@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>, fsset@bach.lerc.nasa.gov (Scott Townsend) writes:
>I got a question from my dad which I really can't answer and I'd appreciate
>some net.wisdom.
>
>His question is about some 18-24" diameter balls which are attached to
>electric power lines in his area. He's seen up to a half dozen between
>two poles. Neither of us have any experience with electric power distribution.
>My only guess was that they may be a capacitive device to equalize the
>inductance of the grid, but why so many between two poles?.
>
>Anyone know what they really are? Is there a related FAQ for this?
>Is there a better group to submit to?
>
>We'd both appreciate some enlightenment.
>
The balls are used to reduce the amplitude of oscillations of the wire during
periods of high winds. I've seen what looks like paint cans filled with
concrete used for the same purpose.
Mike Behnke | Senior Tech/Advisor | Quid est illuidin aqua??
Fermi Nat Accel Lab | Equipment Suuport |
Batavia, Il. | Computing Div | PISTRIX!! PISTRIX!!
BEHNKE@FNALF.FNAL.GOV | |
My opinions are my own, not of the lab. So, if you don't like them, call
1-800-UWH-INER
| 12sci.electronics
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As quoted from <1993Apr17.025258.7013@microsoft.com> by anthonyf@microsoft.com (Anthony Francisco):
> cmort:
> | If anybody wanted proof of the nonsense of the "you can't build guns" claim,
> | they need look no farther than the Philippines. Amateur gunsmiths there
> | regularly produce everything from .45 automatics to full auto shotguns. Now
> | if this guy wants to claim that the Philippines is either technologically
> | superior to the US or that their transportation is better than ours, all I
> | can say is that he's living in a fantasy world.
>
> Unfortunately a few of those .45s blow up in your hands.
That's life. First you marry Imelda Marcos, then you die! :)
> On the other hand, my compatriots built an excellent copy of a Beretta that
> I enjoyed using when I lived in the Philippines. Hmmmm.
And that's the HARD stuff to copy!
--
===================================================================
"You're like a bunch of over-educated, New York jewish ACLU lawyers
fighting to eliminate school prayer from the public schools in
Arkansas" - Holly Silva
| 16talk.politics.guns
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> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Is there a utility out there that will let me use filenames longer than
> > >> the standard 8.3 format.
> > >
> > Yep, it's called OS2!
> >
> Yep, you can use any type of UNIX, or maybe VMS, or buy a MAC or something...
> If you want longer filenames for your documents, I heard of a wordprocessor for
> windows which let you assign long names to files. Those long filenames could only be
> seen from that programs open/save dialogs though... Maybe someone knows more about
> this wordprocessor than I do?
>
If I rember correctly, Lotus Notes gives u this possiblity, among other things...
tom@softsys.se
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc
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I need to sell two pairs of BladeRunner in-line skates (we don't use them).
One is size 9 and one is size 12. They are less than a year old and were
used very little, generally in the Corridor. They are in very good
condition.
They sell at Lechmere for $99.98 (we still have the boxes, if you want
them) and we'd like to get $85/OBO for them. Please respond by
e-mail.
--Michele Matthews
| 6misc.forsale
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Hi All
I have a Korg DVP-1 for sale for $300.00 + shipping. For those who've not
had the pleasure:
It is a MIDI controlled (no keyboard of it's own) rackmountable digital voice
processor. What can it do with your voice? It can pitch-shift it (change the
notes you sing). It can add harmonies to your singing (up to 5 parts at one
time). It can change your voice into a synthesizer's voice but leave what
you say alone and intelligible. This works well for a "computerized" sounding
singer, or robot voice. For those of you who just thought about that, yes -
you can do the voices from Robo-Cop, and the old ELO lead-ins with it, and yes -
I'm a little red-faced to say that I tried those specifically. For an input,
it takes both: XLR (3-prong mic) and 1/4" cables. For output, you can have
a combination of the original-input-only, and your choice of mix between the
original signal and the effect (can be effect only if desired). It has preset
setups, which you can edit and save for your own preferences. It has a couple
of light scratches, but does not look bad, and works flawlessly. Even when we
don't use it in my music, it's been good for after-hours fun in the studio.
The manual is included. I never got around to getting rack-ears for it, but
it has only gotten studio use from me - no roading, so it's not beaten.
--
oooooooo o o Steve Hitch
oo o oo oo My opinions are my own. Nobody would want to
oooo oo oo take responsibility for them anyway. I will
oooooooooooooooooooooooooo eventually hang for them, but I'm happy.
oo oo ooo ooo INTERNET: shitch@IMD.Sterling.COM
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| 6misc.forsale
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In article <1r2d2rINNa7e@hp-col.col.hp.com>, dduff@col.hp.com (Dave Duff) says:
>
>NUT CASE PANICS!!!!REALIZES HE'S MADE A COMPLETE FOOL OF HIMSELF IN FRONT OF
>THOUSANDS OF NETTERS!!!!BACKS AWAY FROM EARLIER RASH STATEMENTS!!!!GOD HAVE
>MERCY ON HIM!!!!
I love a clown, even a school-yard one.
| 16talk.politics.guns
|
In article <1993Apr22.162239@IASTATE.EDU>, kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren
Vonroeschlaub) wrote:
>
> In article <1r5hj0INN14c@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan
> Schneider) writes:
> >Well, suppose a probe emitting radiation at a constant frequency was
> >sent towards a black hole. As it got closer to the event horizon, the
> >red shift would keep increasing. The period would get longer and longer,
> >but it would never stop. An observer would not observe the probe actually
> >reaching the event horizon. The detected energy from the probe would keep
> >decreasing, but it wouldn't vanish. Exp(-t) never quite reaches zero.
>
> That's kind of what I meant. To be more precise, given any observer, in any
> single position outside the event horizon, would that observer ever in any way,
> be able to detect the probe having crossed the event horizon?
Yes, unless the observer is at rest with respect to the singularity at
infinite distance away. But an observer on a close approach to the BH will
see the particle go in in finite time.
Peter
Don't forget to sing:
They say there's a heaven for those who will wait
Some say it's better, but I say it ain't
I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints
The sinners are much more fun
Only the good die young!
| 0alt.atheism
|
mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:
> Yes, do see item 18 in the sci.physics FAQ file. The mass is only
> fundamental and invariant under the new definition. Since most people are
> more familiar with the old definition of mass, I claim it's reasonable to use
> the old definition when posting to alt.atheism.
Referring to the rest mass, or what I would just call mass, as m0...
The "new definition" is decades old! Anyone who has worked with SR
since then would be familiar with it. If "most people" are familiar
with m = gamma m0 (a highly questionable assertion anyway), I would
expect it is on the large part due to learning SR from lousy
popularizations instead of proper textbooks!
> In particular, as the FAQ points out, with mass redefined as a fundamental and
> invariant property, E is no longer mc^2. I suspect that using the new
> definition would cause more confusion than it would remove...
Why should we require E = mc^2 even when p != 0? Because it's cute?
Saying m = gamma m0 adds confusion. For example, people might think
that the formula for kinetic energy still works if m = gaamma m0, ie.
K.E. != 1/2 gamma m0 v^2. Wrong. (In fact it's (gamma - 1)m0 c^2.)
However, if you say p = gamma m v you always get the right answers.
In the end it does boil down to a matter of definition. You and I
both know what is going on, and *that* is invariant! To say that
things actually get heavier when moving fast (relative to the observer)
misrepresents what is actually going on: it is better to say that
momentum / velocity is observed to increase according to an external
observer.
But people who haven't studied SR properly will still make mistakes
or miss the point regardless of what you call mass.
> > You need a gravitational field to curve space, not speed (relative to
> > what?).
>
> I didn't say it was the speed that was curving space.
Yes you did. From <930423.110254.3I5.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk>:
# Again, things get tricky when they move fast. Objects get heavier, space
# gets curved, and reality generally fails to live up to one's expectations.
--
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OR tony%mantis.co.uk@uknet.ac.uk | servers such as pgp-public-keys@demon.co.uk
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| 19talk.religion.misc
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| 6misc.forsale
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In article <cyen.735139934@ponder> Jesse writes:
>hi,
> Have you used Mac system 6.x or 7.x? If the answer is positive, you would
>know if ms-windows is a "mature" OS.
>
> Days ago people doubted that ms-windows is not a real OS. I can see why
>they have such question. Ms-windows confuses many people. Microsoft
[Common complaints about MS Windows deleted...]
>Jesse
>e-mail:cyen@cs.unt.edu/ic43@sol.acs.unt.edu
Hmmmm, why do I get the feeling that this is gonna start one of
those endless threads 'Mac Vs Win" and might even end up as "OS/2 Vs Win".
Well, I dont know if Windows is a mature OS, if I have seen one (in which
case that has to be X-Windows :) ), but dont be so quick to judge...
First of all to try to use plain vanilla Windows is as courageous as to try
to use plain vanilla DOS. There are _lots_ of very nice commercial and
shareware packages/utilities that will boost up Windows past what MS itself
thought possible :)... For example, Norton Desktop for Windows 2.0 (a replace-
ment for ProgMan) will give you group-within-a-group capability and will
even change group icons, it will launch progs by association (well, FileMan
does that too) or by dragging the file in the apps icon (now Mac doesnt do
that, huh? :) )... And the list goes on and on... Now, Windows _is_ kinda
hard to finetune, boost and configure, but thats trhe price to pay for not
paying $$$ to get a Mac or an OS/2 capable machine (an entirely differet
story ...)... On the other hand if you dont like the idea of PM's icons
not correspnding to the files themselves, well they are not supposed to :)..
PM is a Program _Launching_ utility not a file manager... Modify your
settings to have FM as your shell and not PM, or get a couple of utilities
from cica that supposedly give you a 'Mac feel'... I dont wanna get in the
discussion which is a better system: Mac's are good in their own way -- they
are _different_ not better or worse than Win PCs-- (actually I am writing
this from a Mac lab as a user assistant - so dont think I am partial to Win:) )
By all means check out the stuff in cica (ftp to ftp.cica.indiana.edu under
the pub/pc/win3 subdir user: anonymous), or wait for StarTrek (Mac's OS on
a PC !!! -- the threads we are gonna have then !!! :) )...
Just trying to avoid another Mac-Win war...
--
Costas Malamas ____________________________________________________________
Georgia Institute of Technology
OIT UA -- Opinions expressed are not necessarily OIT's...
Internet: ccastco@prism.gatech.edu
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc
|
In article <C5nMB1.CoF@news.claremont.edu> ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt) writes:
>get their copy of your key. Any criminal who's going to use
>encryption will do it under cover of Clipper. The only way to avoid
>this will be to try to prohibit strong encryption.
This isn't true. Today's criminals regularly use all sorts of unsafe
methods, from cordless phones to cellular phones to plain old copper
wire analog phones that you can put alligator clips on to plan and
execute their crimes.
It is amazing how stupid they are, which is why the FBI was so keen on
the digital telphony law, and its successor the clipper chip. They're
hoping here that most crooks will remain stupid, feel safe using clipper
chip phones and get caught.
--
Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366
| 11sci.crypt
|
In article <1993Apr20.203756.20667@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> hanson@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Robin Hanson) writes:
>I'm attempting to write a serious policy paper examining whether the
>proposed wiretap (or "Clipper") chip is a cost-effective tool for
>police investigation. That is, ignoring concerns about government
>intrusions into individual privacy, is the value of easy wiretaps to
>investigators greater than the cost to the communications industry,
>and their customers, to support this wiretap technology?
>
>A rough estimate suggests that wiretaps are worth about five million
>dollars per year to U.S. law enforcement agencies. (In 1990, 872 U.S.
>wiretaps led to 2057 arrests, while total police expenditures of $28
>billion led to 11.25 million arrests [ref US Statistical Abstracts].)
>I'm working on estimating this wiretap benefit more accurately, but
>I'd like to ask hardware experts out there to help me with estimating
>the costs of the new proposed wiretap technology.
>
>Please send me quotable/citeable estimates for:
>
>- How many chips which would need to be made per year to keep all
> phones with wiretap chips?
>- How much would it cost to make each chip?
>- How much did it cost to develop this technology in the first place?
>- How much more would supporting hardware, people, etc. cost, per chip?
>- What percentage cheaper would encryption chips and support have been
> if private enterprise could compete to meet customer encryption needs?
>- What percentage of phone traffic would be taken up by the proposed
> "law enforcement blocks"?
>- What is the total cost of handling all phone traffic per year?
>
>Put another way, the question I'm asking is, what if each police
>agency that wanted a particular wiretap had to pay for it, being
>charged their share of the full social cost of forcing communication
>to be wiretap compatible? Would they choose to buy such wiretaps, or
>would they find it more cost-effective to instead investigate crimes
>in other ways?
>--
>Robin Hanson hanson@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov
>415-604-3361 MS-269-2, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA 94035
>510-651-7483 47164 Male Terrace, Fremont, CA 94539-7921
First, what the fuck is NASA doing wasting my tax dollars doing
policy papers on stuff far outside of their purvew/mission?
Second, this isn't a problem of economics. This is a problem of
the incremental accumulation of police-state powers by our government.
How, exactly, do you put a price on the loss of freedom of a society?
Maybe use the dollars/life lost calculations for the extra people
killed by the gov. The pain and suffering cases for those tortured.
The dollars/life lost caused by the inevitable collapse of the economy,
and all the secondary effects of diseases, diet, etc. Plus, the
inevitable collapse of the economy as the gov controls it, becomes
corrupt, etc.
Do us a favor. Resign rather than right this paper for NASA. Go
do useful work for the society.
lew
--
Lew Glendenning rlglende@netcom.com
"Perspective is worth 80 IQ points." Niels Bohr (or somebody like that).
| 11sci.crypt
|
In article <93110.031905SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Graydon <SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>In article <1993Apr18.091051.14496@ke4zv.uucp>, gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
>says:
>>It's conceivable that Luna will have a military purpose, it's possible
>>that Luna will have a commercial purpose, but it's most likely that
>>Luna will only have a scientific purpose for the next several hundred
>>years at least. Therefore, Lunar bases should be predicated on funding
>>levels little different from those found for Antarctic bases. Can you
>>put a 200 person base on the Moon for $30 million a year? Even if you
>>use grad students?
>
>You might be able to _run_ one for that; put it there, hardly.
>
>Why do you think at least a couple centuries before there will
>be significant commerical activity on the Moon?
Wishful thinking mostly. It's more likely that the Moon will never
be the site of major commercial activity. As far as we know it has no
materials we can't get cheaper right here on Earth or from asteroids
and comets, aside from the semi-mythic He3 that *might* be useful in low
grade fusion reactors. Exploring it would satisfy a curiosity itch,
and it's position in the gravity well of Earth coupled with it's heat
sink capacity could offer some military utility for "high ground" military
weapons systems, but it holds very minute commercial value. If space
travel becomes cheap enough, it might become a tourist attraction as
Mt. Everest and the Antarctic have become, but that's a very minor
activity in the global scope of things.
Luna has an inconvienent gravity field. It's likely too low to prevent
calcium loss, muscle atrophy, and long term genetic drift. Yet it's
too high to do micro-G manufacturing. Space based colonies and factories
that can be spun to any convienent value of G look much better. Luna
has a modest vacuum and raw solar exposure two weeks a month, but orbital
sites can have better vacuums and continous solar exposure. Luna offers
a source of light element rocks that can serve as raw materials, heatsink,
and shielding. The asteroids and comets offer sources of both light and
heavy elements, and volatile compounds, and many are in less steep gravity
wells so that less delta-v is required to reach them.
We don't use 2/3rds of the Earth now, the seafloors, and we virtually
ignore Antarctica, a whole continent. That's because we don't have to
deal with those conditions in order to make a buck. Luna is a much more
expensive place to visit, or to live and work. I think we'll use the
easier places first. That pushes Lunar development back at least a few
centuries, if not much longer.
Luna's main short term value would be as a place for a farside radio
astronomy observatory, shielded from the noisy Earth. Or as the site
of a laser, particle beam, or linear accelerator weapons system for
defending Earth, or bombarding it as the case may be. The first is
unlikely because of the high cost for such a basic science instrument.
The second is just as unlikely because conventional nukes are good
enough, and the military would really rather see the Earth safe for
conventional warfare again. There's little glory in watching from a
bunker as machines fight each other over continental ranges. Little
ultimate profit either.
Gary
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| 14sci.space
|
Dan Schaertel,,, (dps@nasa.kodak.com) wrote:
Since this is alt.atheism, I hope you don't mind if we strongly disagree...
: The fact is God could cause you to believe anything He wants you to.
: But think about it for a minute. Would you rather have someone love
: you because you made them love you, or because they wanted to
: love you. The responsibility is on you to love God and take a step toward
: Him. He promises to be there for you, but you have to look for yourself.
Indeed, "knock and it shall be opened to you". Dan, why didn't this work?
I firmly believed in god for 15 years, but I eventually realised I was
only deluding myself, fearful to face the truth. Ultimately, the only reason
what kept me believing was the fear of hell. The mental states I
had sillily attributed to divine forces or devil's attempts to
destroy my faith were nothing more than my imagination, and it is easy
to achieve the same mental states at will.
My faith was just learned fear in a disguise.
: Those who doubt this or dispute it have not givin it a sincere effort.
God is demanding too much. Dan, what was it I believed in for 15 years?
If sincere effort is equivalent to active suspension of disbelief -
what it was in my case - I'd rather quit. If god does not help me to
keep the faith, I can't go on.
Besides, I am concerned with god's morality and mental health. Does
she really want us to _believe_ in herself without any help (revelations,
guidance, or anything I can feel)? If she has created us, why didn't
she make the task any easier? Why are we supposed to love someone who
refuses to communicate with us? What is the point of eternal torture
for those who can't believe?
I love god just as much as she loves me. If she wants to seduce me,
she'll know what to do.
: Simple logic arguments are folly. If you read the Bible you will see
: that Jesus made fools of those who tried to trick him with "logic".
: Our ability to reason is just a spec of creation. Yet some think it is
: the ultimate. If you rely simply on your reason then you will never
: know more than you do now.
Your argument is of the type "you'll know once you try".
Yet there are many atheists who have sincerely tried, and believed
for many years, but were eventually honest enough to admit that
they had lived in a virtual reality.
What else but reason I can use? I don't have the spiritual means
Christians often refer to. My conscience disagrees with the Bible.
I don't even believe I have a soul. I am fully dependent on my
body - indeed, I _am_ this body. When it goes up with flames, so
does my identity. God can entertain herself with copies of me
if she wants.
: To learn you must accept that which you don't know.
What does this mean? To learn you must accept that you don't know
something, right-o. But to learn you must _accept_ something I don't
know, why? This is not the way I prefer to learn. It is unwise to
merely swallow everything you read. Suppose I write a book telling
how the Great Invisible Pink Unicorn (tm) has helped me in my
daily problems, would you accept this, since you can't know whether
it is true or not?
Note that the GIPU is also omnipotent, omnipresent, and loves just
about everyone. Besides, He (and She) is guiding every writer on this planet,
you and me, and not just some people who write legendary stories
2000 years ago.
Your god is just one aspect of His and Her Presence.
Petri
--
___. .'*''.* Petri Pihko kem-pmp@ Mathematics is the Truth.
!___.'* '.'*' ' . Pihatie 15 C finou.oulu.fi Physics is the Rule of
' *' .* '* SF-90650 OULU kempmp@ the Game.
*' * .* FINLAND phoenix.oulu.fi -> Chemistry is The Game.
| 0alt.atheism
|
In article <1993Apr25.222739.16828@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:
>In <1993Apr25.214053.21752@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> phoenix@startide.ctr.columbia.edu (Ali Lemer) writes:
>
>
>>Dear Mr. Bettman -
>
(Ali's letter deleted for brevity)
>[...] (Roger's acid-laced response removed)
>Maybe we should get together and establish some kind of mandatory maturity
>level to keep some of this stuff off of the air.
Roger,
Your responses might just exclude you from sharing your opinions,
then. You see, the same rights Ali has to mail her letter to the NHL
are the same ones that let you post replies that mow her down like
wheat at harvest-time. She never said she represented the entire
internet or the entire group rec.sport.hockey. She has every right to
state her opinion along with those of the fifty or sixty or
hundred-odd folk who've agreed to allow her to list their names on the
bottom of it. You may not agree with it. Fine. I really don't care
enough about the name change to care. Your name isn't attached to it,
so why moan and complain? If you felt her words were leading, well,
you're free to feel that way and take exception, but manners never
hurt. I personally disagree and feel her generalizations were fine
(I have the right to think and say that, too). Ali's under no
compunction to change a single word. Now, while you're free to
disagree with every word she wrote, to tear apart her character is
uncalled for. I'm posting this as a form of public reprimand. If you
tear down Ali's integrity and character publicly, you'll get chastised
publicly in return. Would it have been so hard to say, "Ali, please
be a bit more specific in your description, the way I've read it
indicates you're stating my view also, and that's simply not true.
I'd really like to see a disclaimer noting that you don't mean the
entire internet or the entire r.s.h. group attached to it, despite
your intent to list names at the bottom. Thanks. Cordially as
always," &c. Calling her a moron and an asshole just reduces the
weight of your words and the opinions of their author in the eyes of
myself, and possibly others.
Oh, and Ali, nice to see someone standing up for something, even if
it's not something I personally advocate. :-)
--
Valerie Hammerl John Sr. would lift Pat over the boards, grab
hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu his hand, and start running around the outside,
V085PWPZ@UBVMS.CC.BUFFALO.EDU faster and faster. "I wanted to learn how to
get that feeling, and the only way was to learn how to skate." P. LaFontaine
| 10rec.sport.hockey
|
Jammer !
Dit is geen fantastische advertentie over nep-rolexen
maar een evenzo duidelijke mededeling hieromtrent :
Aangezien het alleen al aanbieden van deze horloges onder
vermelding van de echte merknaam niet geheel correct is,
wil ik met dit bericht duidelijk maken dat ik, Marcel Engelbertink,
niet meer zal adverteren met imitatie-horloges van het merk ROLEX.
Enig persoon die hierin geiinteresseerd is kan ik jammer genoeg ook niet
meer helpen.
For all the foreign people who can't even understand dutch ?!? :
In spite of earlier mailing about fake-rolex's, I announce that I
don't have any information available any longer and I won't use
the trade name ROLEX anymore for those fake models.
Yours fakefully,
M.G. Engelbertink
| 6misc.forsale
|
prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:
>AW&ST had a brief blurb on a Manned Lunar Exploration confernce
>May 7th at Crystal City Virginia, under the auspices of AIAA.
>Does anyone know more about this? How much, to attend????
>Anyone want to go?
>pat
I got something in the mail from AIAA about it. Cost is $75.
Speakers include John Pike, Hohn Young, and Ian Pryke.
| 14sci.space
|
In article <1993Apr15.163133.25634@ntmtv> janet@ntmtv.com (Janet Jakstys) writes:
> ... the other day I played tennis during my lunch
>hour. I'm out of tennis shape so it was very intense exercise. I
>got overheated, and dehydrated. Afterwards, I noticed a tingling
>sensation all over my head then about 2 hours later, I could feel
>a migraine start. (I continued to drink water in the afternoon.)
>I took cafergot, but it didn't help and the pain started although
>it wasn't as intense as it usually is and about 9pm that night, the
>pain subsided.
>
>This isn't the first time that I've had a migraine occur after exercise.
>I'm wondering if anyone else has had the same experience and I wonder
>what triggers the migraine in this situation (heat buildup? dehydration?).
>I'm not giving up tennis so is there anything I can do (besides get into
>shape and don't play at high noon) to prevent this?
Hi Janet,
Sounds exactly like mine. Same circumstance, same onset symptoms,
same cafergot uselessness, same duration. In fact, of all the people
I know who have migraines, none have been so similar. There is such
a wide variation between people with respect to what causes their
headaches, that I generally don't bother sharing what I've learned
about mine, but since ours seem to be alike, here are my observations.
I don't think it's heat, per se (I've had more in winter than summer).
Dehydration could conceivably figure, though. Try tanking up before
playing rather than after.
Being in shape doesn't seem to help me much, either.
I've identified four factors that do make a difference (listed in
descending order of importance):
1) Heavy exercise
2) Sleep deprivation
3) Fasting (e.g., skipped breakfast)
4) Physical trauma (e.g., head bonk)
Heavy exercise has preceded all of my post-adolescent migraines, but I
don't get migraines after every heavy exercise session. One or more of
the other factors *must* be present (usually #2). Since I discovered
this, I've been nearly migraine-free -- relapsing only once every two
or three years when I get cocky ("It's been so long, maybe I just don't
get them anymore") and stop being careful.
Hope this is helpful.
John.
| 13sci.med
|
To following up my own note:
Ted Richards (ted@isgtec.com) wrote:
: Al DeVilbiss (al@col.hp.com) wrote:
: :
: : It looks like everything works as advertised but I am disappointed
: : with the speed. I'm using an Intel 400 internal 14.4k modem in the PC
: : with Telebit 14.4k on the Unix end, which are currently limited to
: : 19.2Kbits by the Unix com link. To get a quantitative comparison, I
: : did 'cat file' where "file" is 20 kbyte uncompressed ascii text, and
: : it took 75 seconds to scroll through an X window over the modem link,
: : 270 chars/sec. Using the identical hardware and Procomm+FW the same
: : "cat file' takes 11 seconds, 1820 chars/sec. BTW, I use NCD PC XView
: : on my PC at work (HP) every day for the same Unix access from a PC over
: : a LAN and like that just fine. The same 'cat file' scrolls by in
: : ~2 seconds on the LAN connection.
I just tried a few experiments. I cat'd a 20261-byte file (471 lines)
under various scenarios:
PC-Xview for DOS in a full-screen OS/2 window (1024x768x16): 18 sec
Telix (DOS) in an OS/2 window (1024xs768x256): 107 sec!
Telix (DOS) is a full-screen OS/2 window (standard VGA): 11 sec
Telix (DOS) in a Windows 3.1 window (1024x768x256): 30 sec
UW/WIN in a seamless OS/2 window (1024x768x256): gave up after 4 min!
UW/WIN in Windows 3.1 (1024x768x256): faster, but gave up after 2 min
UW/WIN in a seamless OS/2 window using pg 30 sec, could have been a
little faster (I had to keep
hitting the space bar)
I was using an ATI Wonder XL video card, by the way.
So PC-Xview for DOS looks pretty good (and the line-by-line scrolling
in OS/2 desktop looks pathetic, although full-page redraws are pretty
good).
I tried it under PC-Xview using my normal (9x15bold or 10x20) font,
and with a very small font, and there was no difference in the times.
The modem receive light was on pretty solidly, so it looks like the
bottleneck was the 9600-baud modem, not the screen drawing.
--
Ted Richards ted@isgtec.com [...!uunet.ca!isgtec!ted]
ISG Technologies Inc. 6509 Airport Rd., Mississauga Ont. Canada L4V 1S7
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
|
Could anyone please explain what Bit Planes are? We have an SGI here at work
that says it has 64 Bit Planes - what does this mean? How does this relate to
PC graphics? What do they usually have? Please reply via Email as most of
this group is over my head.
Thanks in advance!!!
Bob Gruen
---------
Structural Dynamics Research Corp.
Cincinnati, Ohio
513/576-5635
| 1comp.graphics
|
In article <ZEEV.93Apr18014822@sepia.ccc.amdahl.com> zeev@ccc.amdahl.com (Ze'ev Wurman) writes:
>It seems to me that all discussions about Clipper security are almost
>irrelevant - if I cannot choose the key, but have to use a key chosen for
>me by the foundry, the security of the WHOLE UNIVERSE OF USERS is as good
>(or as bad) as the security of VLSI Technologies Inc.
- or their handlers.
>It is a trivial effort to run any ciphertext agains ALL THE KEYS EVER
>MANUFACTURED - after all we are talking about 1 to 100 million keys that
>will ever be manufactured. The key depositories can be as secure and
>incorruptible as they wish to be, nobody cares anyway...:-(
They key depositories are IRRELEVANT. In order for the applicable law
enformcement agencies to be able to know what keys to request from
escrow, the system will have to squawk its serial number in clear text
as part of the link establishment protocol. Whoever owns the program
that assigns keys to each serial number won't need access to the key
depository.
In other words, the FBI may need a court-ordered release of escrowed
keys, but the NSA has the keys before the chip is ever manufactured.
There is no need to go through the escrow or to try all keys. While
relations between law enforment agencies have sometimes been strained,
there is also a long history of trading favors. This will re-establish
the NSA as a very important agency for everyone to get along with,
because they can give you untraceable encryption leaks without court
orders.
The more I think about this affair, the fouler it smells. I'd rather
have a DES with an engineered-in backdoor ...
--
/ Lars Poulsen, SMTS Software Engineer Internet E-mail: lars@CMC.COM
CMC Network Products / Rockwell Int'l Telephone: +1-805-968-4262
Santa Barbara, CA 93117-3083 TeleFAX: +1-805-968-8256
| 11sci.crypt
|
Well, after suffering from an intense fit of Minnesota-induced cabin fever,
I've decided to road trip to Milwaukee and take in a couple of games this
weekend. A couple games at County stadium will be great to relieve tension,
but I thought "Why not go to Wrigley for a game too?"
I see the Cubs are playing the Phillies on Sat (2:05 start, I believe
that's Eastern time listed). I figured it would be fun to bounce down to
Wrigley for the day game and live it up a little. I'm wondering if anyone
(esp. Cubbie fans) have some advice on:
1) If I'm taking 41 (Skokie Hwy) south until it runs into 94, what's the
best way to get to Wrigley? I'm planning on getting there an hour or
two early and paying through the nose for parking to keep things easy.
2) Is it probable that I'll be able to walk up and get bleacher seats (2 or
3) on game day? I figure since it's early in the year, Ryno's out and
the weather isn't great I should be able to get tickets. If not, what's
the best way to get advance tickets; can I call the Cubs' ticket office
directly and pick up tickets at the will call window?
3) Any advice on where to eat before or after the game?
4) Do they allow inflatable I-luv-ewe dolls (present from Lundy) into the
bleachers? :-)
--
Dave Hung Like a Jim Acker Slider Kirsch Blue Jays - Do it again in '93
kirsch@staff.tc.umn.edu New .. quotes out of context!
"Not to beat a dead horse, but it's been a couple o' weeks .. this
disappoints me..punishments..discharges..jackhammering.." - Stephen Lawrence
| 9rec.sport.baseball
|
I doubt there are good prospects for a self armoring system
for venus surface conditions (several hundred degrees, very high
pressure of CO2, possibly sulfuric and nitric acids or oxides
but it is a notion to consider for outer planets rs where you might
pick up ices under less extream upper atmosphere conditions buying
deeper penetration. A nice creative idea, unlikly but worthy of
thinking about.
| 14sci.space
|
Hi from Australia,
I am a car enthusiast in Australia.
I am particularly interested in American Muscle cars of the
1960s and 1970s. ALL MAKES: AMC, Ford, Chrysler/Mopar, GM.
I will be in the USA for 6 weeks from May 2nd to -June 14 1993.
Chicago: Sun May 2 -Thursday May 6
Denver: Friday May 7 - Sunday May 9
Austin, Texas: Monday May 10- Friday May 21
Oklahoma City: Friday May 21 - Monday May 24
Anaheim, California: Tuesday May 25-Thursday May 27
Las Vegas, Nevada: Friday May 28- Sunday May 30
Grand Canion, Monday May 31 - Tuesday June 1
Las Angeles, San Diego and vicinity: Wednesday June 3-Sunday June 6 June
South Lake Tahoe, Cal: Sunday June 6 - Wednesday June 9
Reno: Thursday June 10
San Fransisco: Thursday June 10 - Sunday June 13
I was wondering if anyone could send me any information of
car shows, swap meets, drag meets, model car shows etc. during this period.
Can anybody tell me when the Pomona Swap meet is on this year?
Also, any places to visit (eg. car museums, private collections,
your collection? etc. Any bit of information is appreciated!
I am also interested in finding some model cars (scale Models).
I am intersted in 1968-1974 AMC cars. Of particular interest is:
1968-1970 AMX
1968-1974 Javelin
1969 SCRAMBLER
1970 Rebel Machine
and others
If you have any kits, plastics, diecast etc and are interested in selling them,
tell me, I will be interested.
I can also send/bring you models of Australian High performance cars if
you are interested.
Please reply by email to: johnt@spri.levels.unisa.edu.au
Thanks,
John Tsimbinos
| 7rec.autos
|
You should have been following the discussion of GRBs
going on in sci.astro. It's been discussed in some detail,
with references even.
| 14sci.space
|
Fellow netters,
I just wanted to let you know that there are a few honest and good people out
there (even outside of Iowa). I'm sorry if anyone thinks that I am wasting
space, but I thought you might want some relief from the "So-and-so is a thief"
posts. Not that I think we shouldn't hear about the bad deals, but it would be
nice to hear some good news once in a while.
After seeing his post on one of the for sale groups, I mailed Mr. Mark Miller a
request for his copy of WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS. He suggested a price of $50
in his ad, but when I phoned him, he quoted $40 plus shipping. That sounded
more than fair to me, so I told him that I would send him a check the next day.
Imagine my surprise when I logged into my account the following day and found a
message from him saying that it had already been sold (after I had just mailed
the money order). After another E-Mail message to him, he apologized and
assured me that it was a mistake - I was the one who he was holding it for. He
sent the package as soon as he got the money, along with a letter stating a
transfer of license. This wasn't good enough for WordPerfect, so I asked him
to fill out one of their forms. No problem - we thought. It took three times
to get it to the right address (my fault). Anyway, he mailed me the form for
my signature and included a Workbook that I had no idea was included in the
deal. Again, he apologized for not sending it before. I now have the world's
best word processor and a renewed hope in the world that there are a few good
ones left. I recoend that if you ever see that Mark is selling anything thatat
you may want, give him a call. If I had the choice, I would purchase all of my
software from him.
Bravo, Mr. Miller!
- Kevin Harter
| 6misc.forsale
|
Does anyone know where I can access an online copy of the proposed "jobs"
or "stimulus" legislation? Please E-mail me directly and if anyone else
is interested, I can post this information.
Thanks,
Mike Brooks
NOTE: My E-mail address in the news header is NOT correct. My correct
address is:
brooks@icbr.ifas.ufl.edu
| 18talk.politics.misc
|
Wm. L. Ranck (ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu) wrote:
: As a new BMW owner I was thinking about signing up for the MOA, but
: right now it is beginning to look suspiciously like throwing money
: down a rathole.
i concur with this.
the politics and bickering going on has
ruined BMWMOA to me. because of the
politics and fighting, i'm i'm going to
let my current membership lapse when it's
up for renewal.
-- hesh
p.s. BMWRA's On The Level is a far superiour
publication in my opinion.
| 8rec.motorcycles
|
Hi,
would someone please email the new AVI file
format. I'm sure that many people would
like to know what it is exactly.
Thank you
Mark Gregory Lecturer m.gregory@rmit.edu.au PH(03)6603243 FAX(03)6621060
Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology,
Department of Communication and Electronic Engineering,
P.O. Box 2476V, Melbourne, Victoria, 3001. AUSTRALIA.
--
Mark Gregory Lecturer m.gregory@rmit.edu.au PH(03)6603243 FAX(03)6621060
Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology,
Department of Communication and Electronic Engineering,
P.O. Box 2476V, Melbourne, Victoria, 3001. AUSTRALIA.
| 1comp.graphics
|
In article <93099.141148C09630GK@wuvmd.wustl.edu>, C09630GK@WUVMD (Gary Kronk) writes:
|> I have been contemplating this idea for some time as well. I am not a
|> doctor, but my wife is a nurse and I know a lot of doctors and nurses.
|> The point here being that doctors and nurses do not seem to get sick
|> nearly as much as people outside the medical profession.
This is a lovely area for anecdotes, but I am sure you are on to something.
As a physician, I almost never get sick: usually, when something horrendous
is going around, I either don't get it at all or get a very mild case.
When I do get really sick, it is always something unusual.
This was not the situation when I was in medical school, particularly on
pediatrics. I never had younger siblings myself, and when I went on the
pediatric wards I suddenly found myself confronting all sorts of infectious
challenges that my body was not ready for. Pediatrics for me was three solid
months of illness, and I had a temp of 104 when I took the final exam!
I think what happens is that during training, and beyond, we are constantly
exposed to new things, and we have the usual reactions to them, so that later
on, when challenged with something, it is more likely a re-exposure for us,
so we deal with it well and get a mild illness. I don't think it is that
the immune system is hyped up in any way. Also, don't forget that the
hospital flora is very different from the home, and we carry a lot of that
around.
-km
| 13sci.med
|
In article <1993Apr18.173934.14572@newsgate.sps.mot.com>, markm@latium. (Mark Monninger) writes:
|> Although not in direct response to the referenced article, just to set the
|> record straight, Beamers are BMW motorcycles. BMW cars are Bimmers. Please,
^^^^^^^
Huh! I though Beamers were IBM employees :-)
|> let's get our terms straight.
|>
|> Actually, some purists would argue that the only true Bimmer is a round
|> tail light 2002 or 1600.
|>
|> Mark
| 7rec.autos
|
In article <1993Apr23.181051.4023@donner.SanDiego.NCR.COM> davel@davelpcSanDiego.NCR.com (Dave Lord) writes:
>In article <1r8pcn$rm1@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu>, Donald Mackie
><Donald_Mackie@med.umich.edu> writes:
>> In article <1993Apr22.205341.172965@locus.com> Michael Trofimoff,
>> tron@fafnir.la.locus.com writes:
>> >Would anyone out there in 'net-land' happen to have an
>> >authentic, sure-fire way of making this great sauce that
>> >is used to adorn Gyro's and Souvlaki?
>>
>> I'm not sure of the exact recipe, but I'm sure acidophilus is one of
>> the major ingredients. :-)
>
>It's plain yoghurt with grated cucumber and coriander (other spices are
>sometimes used). Some people use half yoghurt and half mayonaise.
In the kind I have made I used a Lite sour cream instead of yogurt. May not
be as good for you, but I prefer the taste. A few small bits of cuke in
addition to the grated cuke may also finish the sauce off nicely.
---
TRH
mutrh@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
| 13sci.med
|
In article <18APR93.15729846.0076@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, B8HA000 <B8HA@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA> writes:
|> Just a couple of questions for the pro-Israeli lobby out there:
|>
|> 1) Is Israel's occupation of Southern Lebanon temporary? For Mr.
|> Stein: I am working on a proof for you that Israel is diverting
|> water to the Jordan River (away from Lebanese territory).
Yes it is, as has been evidenced by the previous two stages
of withdrawal from the area and by the reductions in troops.
Currently the troops are kept at a level consistent with light
and armored patrols. No permanent installations have been
built in the area, nor are any planned.
As to the prodigal "water question", you can continue to waste
your time looking for non-existent proof, or you can accept the
testimony of people here, some Lebanese, who have acknowledged
that they know of no evidence for these allegations.
|> 2) Is Israel's occupation of the West Bank, Gaza, and Golan
|> temporary? If so (for those of you who support it), why were so
|> many settlers moved into the territories? If it is not temporary,
|> let's hear it.
It depends which of those territories you refer to.
In general, settlers were moved into the territories because
at the time, in the context of the situations, it seemed the
logical move. This is not to say that views don't change
or that mistakes are not made. Currently, I would say that
the only "disputed territory" that does not appear to be temporary
is that of Eastern and northern Jerusalem.
|> Steve
|>
--
Shai Guday | Stealth bombers,
OS Software Engineer |
Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninjas of the skies.
Cambridge, MA |
| 17talk.politics.mideast
|
There were some recent developments in the dispute about Masonry among
Southern Baptists. I posted a summary over in bit.listserv.christia, and
I suppose that it might be useful here. Note that I do not necessarily
agree or disagree with any of what follows: I present it as information.
*
For a short summary: a Southern Baptist named Larry Holly wrote a book
claiming that Freemasonry is a religion incompatible with Christianity.
(Mr Holly's father rejects Christianity, and Mr Holly blames that on the
Masons.)
The SBC's Home Missions Board includes an interfaith witness department,
which studies other religions and how to teach them about Christ. A few
years ago, they were ordered to produce a report on Masonry: they concluded
that it was not a religion, and therefore was outside their speciality.
However, Mr Holly led a movement of people who oppose Masonry, and
last year the Convention again ordered the HMB to study Masonry. (I got the
feeling that they were saying "You got the wrong answer last time, try to
do better and get the answer we want.")
Anyway, there's been a bit of infighting and some inappropriate actions, but
the dust has settled and the report is in. Nobody is entirely happy with it,
but everybody seems willing to live with it. Both sides are saying things
such as: "This was the best we were going to get in the current environment."
The report commends the Masons for the charity work they do, such as the
hospitals and burn centers they operate, as well as efforts to help the
elderly and prevent drug abuse. The report acknowledges that many well-
known Christians are and have been Masons, and notes that many teachings
of Masonry are "supportive of Christian faith and practice". Examples of
the latter include belief in God, emphases on honesty and integrity, and
that some Masonic lodges incorporate explicit Christian beliefs.
On the other hand, they note that some aspects of Masonry are incompatible
with Southern Baptist principles. These included the use of titles which some
people consider sacrilegious, the taking of certain oaths (even though they
are not meant seriously), the "undeniably pagan and/or occultic" writings of
some Masonic leaders, the implication in some Masonic writings that salvation
can be achieved by good works, and the racial discrimination practiced by many
Masonic lodges. (I note with some chagrin that Baptist churches as a whole
aren't really in a place to speak on this last point.)
The report concludes that Masonry is not a religion, and says that membership
should not be endorsed or censured, but left to the discretion of individuals.
This was in part because there is variation among different Masonic Lodges,
and while one may include elements strongly against Christianity, another may
not. Many Southern Baptists have strong convictions about the priesthood of
the believer and the autonomy of the local church, and this history probably
influenced how the report came out.
*
The information above was gleaned from "The Religious Herald", a publication
of the Baptist General Association of Virginia, and "Baptists Today", which
does not have any direct links to a religious organisation. (Autonomy is a
big issue among some Baptists. 8-)
Because I have neither the report itself, nor whatever Masonic documents are
relevant to these issues, none of the above comes with a guarantee. Your
mileage may vary. Void where prohibited.
Darren F Provine / kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu
Milton: "We use only the finest baby frogs, dew picked and flown from Iraq,
cleansed in finest quality spring water, lightly killed, and then
sealed in a succulent Swiss quintuple smooth treble cream milk
chocolate envelope and lovingly frosted with glucose."
Praline: "That's as may be, it's still a frog."
| 19talk.religion.misc
|
In article <C5sKI7.DF4@bony1.bony.com> billg@bony1.bony.com (Bill Gripp) writes:
>We will see what will happen to the "survivors". Don't forget however
>that the members of the cult are responsible for the deaths of 4 ATF
>agents. Do you really expect Koresh (dead or alive) to take sole
>responsibility for this? I can just see it now, survivior at trial
>"I was just following orders". Where have we heard that before???
No, Bill, my full original post included sufficient disclaimers so that
you could see that I was not claiming that it was a perfect world from
the Branch Davidians point of view. The point of my article was that it
is inappropriate to compare Massada and the fate of the Jewish rebels
to Waco. The Zealot men faced certain execution in a way that was
anathema to their religion, and they knew that their wives and children
would be enslaved. American prisons may not be garden spots, but they
don't compare to what the survivors of Massada might have faced. You
indicate that you agree that the Branch Davidians faced a trial. How
does that fact alone make for a comparison here? Even if the
government had wanted to find "fall guys" for the BATF deaths, they
still had to prove it to a jury.
Once again, my point was quite simple--any comparison between the
situation of the Branch Davidians and the Jews of Massada is absurd.
--
________________________________________
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| (Unless you happen to agree.)
| 16talk.politics.guns
|
A couple of questions for the multimedia set:
1. Does anybody have a phone or fax number, or e-mail address, or name of a
principal in CEDAR Technologies in Dublin, New Hampshire? All I have is a
post-office box number, and I want to ask a couple of questions before
sending
them some money. Any info much appreciated.
2. I'm running an SE/30, which came with no microphone. Is there any way,
other than using MacRecorder with SoundEdit or CEDAR's digitizer with some
similar software, to input recorded sound into my Mac? I'm trying to play
some
very short interview clips in a HyperCard stack.
Thanks for any and all help.
Kathy McTaggart
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware
|
In article <1993Apr16.060540.27397@adobe.com>, snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
| In article <1993Apr15.232551.14817@leland.Stanford.EDU> eechen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Emery Ethan Chen) writes:
| >One phrase for you....&%#! YOU!!!!
| >Thanks.
|
| Perhaps it's time to start rec.sport.baseball.graffiti, where the kiddies
| can go yell taunts and insults at each other and leave the rest of us in
| peace.
|
| Sherri Nichols
| snichols@adobe.com
Well Sherri, I'd agree with you except that most 'kiddies' have more sense than
to spew their obscenities in front of a group of adults..
I try to edit this newsgroup and feed it to one of the local elementary schools,
they have a group of students that just love baseball and are learning to use
computers, but I'm telling you, it's gotten to the point that I don't even edit
the files anymore, just read them and throw out the trash... And thanks to all
you people that think it's wonderful to include a swear word or two in your
signature files, that's really nice... I have to read the whole article and
then toss it out because of the .sig. Don't get me wrong, I know all the words you
do, (and I've even made up some of my own!) or I wouldn't be able to edit them out ;^)
but this just doesn't seem to be the place, a public forum, to spew foul language,
sorry..
Thanks to all you people that keep in mind, there might be some decent, young
people, interested in baseball and computers reading this newsgroup.. They enjoy
your articles.
Phil
| 9rec.sport.baseball
|
>If anybody, doctors included, said to me to my face that there is no
>evidence of the 'yeast connection', I cannot guarantee their safety.
>For their incompetence, ripping off their lips is justified as far as
>I am concerned.
This doesn't sound like Candida Albicans to me.
John Badanes, DC, CA
romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu
| 13sci.med
|
Ok I want to get a color Mac I don't care if it is an LC or a Mac II or
what but I want to go to a color machine. I'd prefer to trade my
present Mac SE system plus some cash or other equipment for the color
system as right now I'm not full of the $$$ to buy a color system
outright.
Here's what my Mac SE system has...
Mac SE 4/20 with internal 800K drive
20 Meg external
External 800K drive
ImageWriter II with 4 color ribbon
Stuff that can go with it......
I've got 3 modems and I'd be willing to give 1 of the 9600's and the
2400 with the system
MultiTech Multimodem II (9600 data/fax)
U.S. Robotics Sportster (9600 data)
Microcom QX/12K (normally will connect at only 2400 as highest
but it will do faster if connected to another Microcom)
The USR and the MultiTech are both brand-new
If interested send me e-mail at dleonard@wixer.bga.com
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| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware
|
mars@ixos.de (Martin Stein) writes:
#I use xwd/xpr (from the X11R5 dist.) and various programs of the
#ppm-tools to print hardcopies of colored X windows. My problem is,
I don't like xpr. It gives (at least, the X11R4 version does) louzy
output: the hardcopy looks very grainy to me.
Instead, I use pnmtops. This takes full advantage PostScript, and
lets the printer do the dirty job of dithering a (graylevel)
image to black and white dots.
So: if you have a PostScript printer, try:
xwdtopnm <xwdfile> | # convert to PPM
[ppmtopgm |] # .. to graylevel for smaller file to print
pnmtops -noturn | # .. to PostScript
lpr # print
pnmtops Has several neat options, but use them with care:
If you want your image to be 4" wide, use:
pnmtops -noturn -scale 100 -width 4
-noturn Prevents the image from being rotated (if it is wider than it
is high)
-width 4 Specifies the PAPER width (not the image width - see below)
-scale 100 Is used because if the image is small, it may fit within a
width less than 4", and will thus be printed smaller than 4" wide.
If you first scale it up a lot, it will certainly not fit in 4", and
will be scaled down by pnmtops automatically to fit the specified
paper width.
In short: pnmtops will scale an image down to fit the paper size,
but it will not blow it up automatically.
Hope this helps.
Marcel.
--
X Marcel Wijkstra AIO (wijkstra@fwi.uva.nl)
|X| Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science
X University of Amsterdam The Netherlands
======Life stinks. Fortunately, I've got a cold.========
| 1comp.graphics
|
Hi,
I got a NE2100 compatible ethernet card, and I just received my copy
of Chameleon NFS. Unfortunately, it is not compatible with the NE2100
(only NE2000 or NE1000). What is the latest version number for Chameleon
NFS ? Did soemone tackle this problem ?
Thanks for help,
F. Popineau
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voice-mail: (+33) 87-74-99-38
surface-mail: Ecole Superieure d'Electricite
2 rue Edouard Belin
F-57078 Metz Cedex 3
FRANCE
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc
|
> >> [..has MS innovated ANYTHING? ..]
>
> > Really when you come down to it who cares. I just hope MS keeps doing
> > what they do best getting usable productive software to the masses.
Lets see... what MS products don't have major bugs in them? Oh, but
the fifth release the bugs are generally cleared up, even if their
customers must buy new "releases" from them that are little more than
bug fixes. Anyone who buys a $2500 computer system and then runs MS
Windows on it is in desperate need of sympathy.
Oh wait! MS innovated the plastic housing on the MS mouse---didn't
they? "Logitech Inside"
> Personally, I'll be blasphemous and say that if Microsoft keeps doing
> what it does so well, I hope to see much harsher/stricter copyright
> and patent laws for computer algorithms, concepts, interfaces, and
> other intellectual properties to protect real innovators. I'd hate to
> be one who actually does innovate, and then have Microsoft come in
> like a huge vulture and use their brute mass (development staff,
> marketing, etc) to get fat off of my innovation. I don't have all
> that much sympathy for Apple's complaint against Microsoft, since
> they just took the ideas from Xerox's PA Research Center when the
> Federal government forced Xerox to disclose their patents over
> antitrust fears. However, for other companies and individuals who
> have a great idea, yet get it "borrowed" by larger corporations who
> can afford to quickly bring it to market, without any licensing from
> the original innovator, I feel much sympathy.
>
> Larry
> --
> Larry Weeks | "Those who fight monsters should make sure that
> dev@ecn.purdue.edu | in the process he does not become a monster, and
> -------------------+ when you look long into an abyss the abyss also
> looks into you." -- Friedrich Nietszche
You can't even really call it secondary creativity when a company
gathers together a bunch of knock-off packages and peddles them to
neophytes. If MS does anything, it appears someone has to do it
first. It appears that MS is finding out that throwing money at
technological problems is by no means a guaranteed solution.
---------------------------------------------
|kenton+@CMU.EDU | OS/2 FIXES BROKEN WINDOWS |
---------------------------------------------
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc
|
(Sean Garrison) writes:
>In article <1993Apr20.102857.1@tesla.njit.edu>, drm6640@tesla.njit.edu
>wrote:
>>
>> DON MATTINGLY IS THE BEST FIRST BASEMAN IN THE HISTORY OF BASEBALL.....ALWAYS
>> HAS BEEN.....ALWAYS WILL BE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Actually, Keith Hernandez is the best.
> -Sean
>*******************************************************************************
> "Behind the bag!"
> - Vin Scully
>*******************************************************************************
I'll go with Mark Grace, and in 2 years, Frank Thomas.
--
Chintan Amin <The University of Illinois UrbanaChampaign> mail: llama@uiuc.edu
*******SIG UNDER CONSTRUCTION HARD HAT AREA********
| 9rec.sport.baseball
|
hi,
Have you used Mac system 6.x or 7.x? If the answer is positive, you would
know if ms-windows is a "mature" OS.
Days ago people doubted that ms-windows is not a real OS. I can see why
they have such question. Ms-windows confuses many people. Microsoft
simulated Mac, but it did a lousy job. For example:
(1) You can not create hierarchy groups. There is no way to create a group
in a group. (If you know how, please tell me.)
(2) Too many system parameters to take care of.
(3) uncomplete documentation. It's not easy to find the reason why causes
an unpredictable error.
(4) Group deleting/file deleting
After deleting a group, users have to use file manager to delete files.
But if users forget to delete some related files, the disk will be full
of nonsense files.
(5) share problem
Once you create two windows doing compilation and editing in some
language (w/o good editor), there will be a sharing problem. You just
can not open or save the program if it is loaded. It makes sense to
prevent from saving, but not opening.
Microsoft try to compromise between DOS and windows, but they just make
ms-windows a graphical DOS with capacity doing mutiple DOS jobs;
the worst thing is they complicate the environment. The orginal purpose
of ms-windows should be to simplify the environment, and make PC easier
to use.
It's by no means easy to satisfy everybody, but if Microsoft want to
keep their reputations, they should evaluate the user interface more
carefully before products distribute.
No flame, please.
Jesse
e-mail:cyen@cs.unt.edu/ic43@sol.acs.unt.edu
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc
|
In article <1993Apr24.014245.1@cua.edu> 84wendel@cua.edu writes:
> Who gets credit for the perfectly descriptive name "cagers"? Also does
>anybody know when the term was first used.
> Thanks
>
I do.
Yesterday.
Seriously, Countess Ada of Lovelace gets the credit. She first used
it in the late 80s. Her bike: the spokeless wonder.
Jack Waters II
DoD#1919
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ I don't fear the thief in the night. Its the one that comes in the ~
~ afternoon, when I'm still asleep, that I worry about. ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| 8rec.motorcycles
|
In article <1r1pit$n7k@lll-winken.llnl.gov>, ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi) writes:
> In article <1993Apr20.030234.66491@cc.usu.edu> slp9k@cc.usu.edu writes:
> >In article <C5rusq.M6M@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, azoghlin@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Very Old Freshman (VOF)) writes:
> >> Critisism is too easy. What solutions do people have that would have been
> >> better than what the FBI had been doing for the last few months?
> >
> > Firstly, they could have backed off.
>
> Regardless of who was at fault in the first assault (the one in which
> four ATF officers died), once that was over backing off was no longer
> an option. The people inside, particularly Koresh, were criminal
> suspects. They could have made a case of self-defense, if they wanted,
> in a court of law. Until then the police had the responsibility to
> capture and arrest them. I've never heard of a case where the police
> knew there was a criminal suspect in a building, and still decided
> to back off. Continuing the siege was one of the few alternatives
> to what actually took place, and it's a matter of debate whether any
> of these would have ended any better.
>
How about letting in the press?
How about letting Koresh out to talk to the press?
Maybe if he had been allowed to talk with the press/TV for a couple of
days he would have surrendered peacefully.
How about letting the relatives of Koresh`s followers talk?
Seems to me when you isolate someone, try to send them crazy by playing
loudspeakers through the night of Tibetan chants, etc., you don`t have
much to stand on when they behave as if they are crazy. (I`m not too
sure of their sanity to start with.)
I am VERY suspicious when the government controls all communication,
and sends the press 2 miles away.
I have a gut feeling that no-knock warrant, which is sealed, would not
stand up to scrutiny.
I don`t think no-knock warrants are what the constitution writers had
in mind when they gave us rights against improper search and seizure.
I don`t think an all-powerful central, high-taxing government was
what the constitution writers had in mind when it delagated rights
to the citizens and states and restricted central government.
| 18talk.politics.misc
|
In article <9303252134.AA09923@walrus.mvhs.edu> ktodd@walrus.mvhs.edu ((Ken Todd)) writes:
>I would like any information available on this rare disease. I understand
>that an operation referred to as POLLIDOTOMY may be in order. Does anyone
>know of a physician that performs this procedure. All responses will be
>appreciated. Please respond via email to ktodd@walrus.mvhs.edu
It isn't that rare, actually. Many cases that are called Parkinson's
Disease turn out on autopsy to be SND. It should be suspected in any
case of Parkinsonism without tremor and which does not respond to
L-dopa therapy. I don't believe pallidotomy will do much for SND.
--
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| 13sci.med
|
In article <1993Apr22.134632.23686@eua.ericsson.se>, euaaen@eua.ericsson.se (Anders Engwall) writes:
(...)
|> Om jag f|rst}tt saken r{tt f}r vi:
|>
|> NORRA - Kiruna, Boden, Pite}, Skellefte}, CRIF, V{nn{s,
|> Husum, \stersund, Antj{rn, Sundsvall/Timr}
|> V[STRA - Mora, G{vle, Avesta, Uppsala, K|ping, Arvika,
|> Grums, \rebro + tv} lag fr}n v{stra kvalserien (vilka?)
|> \STRA - Arlanda, V{sby, Vallentuna, \ster}ker, Danderyd/T{by,
|> AIK, Hammarby, S|dert{lje, T{lje, Huddinge,
|> Nyk|ping, Roma
|> S\DRA - Vita H{sten, M|lndal, Bor}s, V{stervik, Hanhals,
|> Troja/Ljungby, M|rrum, Pantern + tv} lag fr}n
|> s|dra kvalserien
(...)
|> F|r det f|rsta {r det principiellt fel att man har {ndrat
|> premisserna f|r uppflyttning i efterhand. F|r det andra kan
|> man ju undra varf|r just \stersund och V{stervik skall f} en fri-
|> sl{ng. Ja, i fallet \stersund {r det solklart en fix f|r
|> ovan n{mnda problem med norrgruppen, men V{stervik? [r det
|> m}nne f|r att Nyk|ping skall slippa spela i s|der, vilket
|> de klagat |ver? Vad tror ni man s{ger i exempelvis Tierp, som
|> kom 3:a i |stra kvalet?
|>
|> Kommentarer?
Att man skulle bli tvyngen att {ndra premisserna kunde man inte lista
ut p} f|rhand. Huvudsak att man inte flyttar *ner* fel lag.
\stersund var en solklar fix som sagt, men V{stervik!! Att det beror p}
Nyk|ping tror jag inte p}, man kunde ju lika g{rna "flytta ner" Roma
till s|dra (iaf om man g}r efter bredgraderna). Mest r{ttvist vore att
l}ta Tierp och V{stervik g|ra upp, men d} skulle Roma/Nyk|pinks vara
eller inte vara i |stra ocks} avg|ras. Vad skulle de s{ga om det?
Det st|rsta felet med }rets indelning {r *exakt* samma som f|rra }ret,
fast v{rre. DET [R INTE R[TVIST INDELAT, sportligt sett. Vallentuna var
en match fr}n att g} upp till Allsvenskan f|rra }ret ist{llet gick
G{vle upp. Tror ni n}n av dem lyckas lika bra i }r?
AIK, HIF, SSK och HIK ska sl}ss om tv} platser!! Om man hadde placerat
dessa i var sin division skulle de vara sj{lvklara favoriter till en
plats i Allsvenskan, men nu m}ste tv} ge vika. Var finns r{ttvisan i det?
:-( Jag har h|rt att HIK har l{mnat in en protest till f|rbundet ang{ende
indelningen i |stra.
Mitt f|rslag vore att l}ta 3:orna i varje division kvalspela om tv}
platser i Allsvenskan och efter jul skulle man kunna sl} ihop de fyra
divisionerna till tv}, en s|der och en norr. P} s} s{tt bestraffas inte
ett lag som kommer fr}n en trakt d}r det finns m{nga bra lag.
En kul grej som jag |nskar att man inf|rde {r att l}ta vinnaren i
Allsvenskan f} spela i SM-slutspelet. Det skulle bli en extra krydda till
division ett ishockeyn om lagen k{nde att de var "inom r{ckh}ll" till
SM-bucklan. Det skulle kanske p} sikt ocks} kunna minska skillnaderna
mellan lag i elitserien och division ett. Vad s{js?
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| 10rec.sport.hockey
|
gballent@vancouver.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) writes:
>In article 116@orasis.vis.toronto.edu, bdown@vis.toronto.edu (Brian Down) writes:
>>
[stuff deleted]
>For example, look at Pat Quinn of the Canucks (I am not saying
>that he is the best GM - merely a better one than Murray - and
>one I am very familiar with).
>He traded:
>Garth Butcher (a good player) and Dan Quinn (not in the NHL anymore)
>to St Louis for Cliff Ronning, Geoff Courtnall, Sergio Mommesso and
>Robert Dirk - too good to be true right
I think this goes along with a comment you made in an earlier post -
namely, Quinn taking advantage of a major league bonehead for a GM
in St. Louis. This trade was an absolutely stupid trade for St. Louis,
and it was not the only stupid trade that this guy made. We can give
Quinn credit for being an opportunist here.
[stuff about other trades deleted]
>Plus his team has improved a much greater amount than Detroit since
>he took over with them.
How do you figure? Both Vancouver and Detroit did the same thing last year:
They both won their division, they had close to the same number of points,
they both went down 3-1 in the first round of the playoffs before finally
escaping in 7 games, and they both got knocked out in the second round by
teams they should have been able to beat, with less talent. (Specifically,
if I remember correctly, third place teams). How does this make Vancouver
more improved? Further, if I'm not mistaken, the Wings had more points than
Vancouver at the end of this season (albeit not many).
>Gregmeister
--Randy
| 10rec.sport.hockey
|
V16 anyone? Anyone heard of a Cizata V16T ??? Its mainly sold in the middle
east where they dont have as strict a legislation as in the USA and EC....
| 7rec.autos
|
In article <1qun1aINNik5@aludra.usc.edu> sgoldste@aludra.usc.edu (Fogbound Child) writes:
>arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes:
>
>
>>
>> Yigal et al, sue ADL
>>
>
>Why do you title this "News you will miss" ?
>
>There have been at least three front-page stories on it in the L.A. Times.
>
>I wouldn't exactly call that a media cover-up.
This may come as a surprise to you but there are a few americans who do not
read the LA Times.
The Defamation League has done a first class job of damage control..in what
little is left of the world outside of LA.
js
| 17talk.politics.mideast
|
Anybody know where I can get Graphics Work Shop?
brad@utkvx.utk.edu
| 1comp.graphics
|
I have between 15 and 25 nosebleeds each week, as a result of a genetic
predisposition to weak capillary walls (Osler-Weber-Rendu). Fortunately,
each nosebleed is of short duration.
Does anyone know of any method to reduce this frequency? My younger brothers
each tried a skin transplant (thigh to nose lining), but their nosebleeds
soon returned. I've seen a reference to an herb called Rutin that is
supposed to help, and I'd like to hear of experiences with it, or other
techniques.
--
Robert Allison
Ottawa, Ontario CANADA
| 13sci.med
|
In article <1993Apr21.095305.28851@bnr.ca>, npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) writes:
> Charles Parr, on the Tue, 20 Apr 93 21:25:10 GMT wibbled:
> : In article <1993Apr19.141959.4057@bnr.ca> npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) writes:
>
> : >If Satan rode a bike (CB1000?) would you stop to help him?
Only if he was a "true motorcyclist with the real riding attitude." As you
probably are aware, there is a sure-fire rec.moto test for this attribute.
> God would ride a Vincent White Lightning with rightous injection.
> He'd wear a one-piece leather suit with matching boots, helmet and gloves.
Why? You think (s)he's worried about road-rash?
:-)
Chuck Rogers
car377@torreys.att.com
| 8rec.motorcycles
|
<RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> writes:
>In article <franjion.734996049@spot.Colorado.EDU>, franjion@spot.Colorado.EDU
>(John Franjione) says:
>>
>>Also, I have the impression from reading this group and Bill James
>>that Elias is a bunch of money-grubbing jerks whose mission is to
>>charge as much as they can for baseball statistical info
>>
>and bill james is not? yeah. sure. do you own "the bill james players
>rating book"?
Uh, Bill James doesn't sell statistics. He sells books with statistics,
but he is not in the business of providing stats like Elias, STATS,
Howe, Baseball workshop etc. are.
Greg
| 9rec.sport.baseball
|
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|
In article <1993Apr15.053553.16427@news.columbia.edu>, gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
|>cmk@world.std.com (Charles M Kozierok) writes:
|>>gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
|>>}
|>>} Secondly, any Canadian who has worked and participates in the
|>>} insurance (it's a negative option, you have to explicitly decline
|>>} it) knows that the premium is deducted separately ...
|>>
|>>yes, and some Americans actually have a problem with having more
|>>of their money taken from them to pay for others' health care...
|>
|>But note again, the Canadian and German health insurance is voluntary
Not true. I am required to have insurance by law. the method of collection
effectively makes it a tax.
|>... but like "basic plus" cable, you have to tell them that you don't
|>want it ... for example, Hutterite colonies in western Canada are not
|>part of it (Mennon and Hutter were fundamentalist Protestants from
|>Germany whose followers left for the New World ... Mennonites are a
|>very diverse lot while Hutterites are similiar to the Amish). The
|>American idea being floated today gives you no option but to live
|>off the land ...
|>
|>>the selfish bastards that they are. unfortunately, that number has
|>>diminished recently, but once President Pinocchio gets through
|>>with us, i hope for a reversal of trend.
Well here we have the right hoping for more selfish bastards. Pity they
don't look at what 12 years of the Regan/Bush "selfish Bastard" ecconomy
has done to the country.
Elect a selfish bastard government and they will run the country for themselves,
thats why they are selfish bastards. Bush and Regan gave tax breaks for the
ultra rich and paid for them by borrowing against the incomes of the middle
class.
Phill Hallam-Baker
| 18talk.politics.misc
|
In article <1993Apr16.173720.19151@scic.intel.com> sbradley@scic.intel.com (Seth J. Bradley) writes:
>
>How does one falsify God's existance? This, again, is a belief, not a scien-
>tific premise. The original thread referred specifically to "scientific
>creationism". This means whatever theory or theories you propose must be
>able to be judged by the scientific method. This is in contrast to
>purely philosophical arguments.
>--
How does one falsify any origin theory? For example, are a forever existing
universe or abiogenesis strictly falsifiable?
| 0alt.atheism
|
In article <1pskkt$3ln@fnnews.fnal.gov> b91926@fnclub.fnal.gov (David Sachs) writes:
>In article <generous.734035090@nova>, generous@nova.sti.nasa.gov (Curtis Generous) writes:
>|> I need to get an Apple 40SC tape backup unit working under
>|> Sys 7.0.x, but do not have any drivers/software to access the device.
>Retrospect (Dantz) works nicely with this combination.
I also use Retrospect, but I noticed that Central Point Software's
"MacTools Backup" also supports the Apple tape drive under 7.x.
The Apple tape drive is quite slow, so the advantages of Retrospect
relative to the simpler MacTools Backup are less significant than
might be the case for someone backing up a large server to a DAT drive.
Used Apple tape drives are going for ~$100, so it might make less
economic sense to pay an extra ~$140 for Retrospect when MacTools
is cheaper and includes other worthwhile utilities.
Retrospect is nice, though, and I'm probably going to upgrade to 2.0.
--
-- Bill Johnston (johnston@me.udel.edu)
-- 38 Chambers Street; Newark, DE 19711; (302)368-1949
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware
|
nstramer@supergas.dazixco.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer) writes:
:
: THE HAMAS WAY of DEATH
:
: (Following is a transcript of a recruitment and training
: videotape made last summer by the Qassam Battalions, the military
As opposed to Israel's many ways of death. Using bombers and artillery
against Lebanese towns and villages. Using fire arms and lethal
variants of tear gas and *rubber coated* bullets against stone
throwers. Using tanks and anti-tank missiles against homes after a 5
minute evacuation warning. Using Shin Bit's "reasonable" physical
pressure in interrogation. And more. Not counting of course past
practices such as the bombardment of Beirut in 1982, the bombing of the
Egyptian school of Bahr-El-Bakar and the Abu-Za'bal factory in 1978,
the downing of the Libyan airliner full of Egyptian passengers near
the same time. Overseeing the Maronite massacre in Sabra and Shatilla.
That is of course besides numerous massacres by Irgun and other gangs
during the British mandate period.
Ironically the same Op-Ed page in the NYT times from which the Naftaly
copied this article was running another article next to it by A.M.
Rosenthall blaming Bosnian Muslims for their own genocide by effectively
saying that it is stupid to seek independence if independence will bring
your people slaughter. But what else would one expect from Mr. Rosenthall
who never wasted a chance to bash Arabs or Muslims.
Alaa Zeineldine
| 17talk.politics.mideast
|
Hi !
I am interested in the source of FEAL encryption algorithm.
Does someone of you know where I can get the source from, or
where I can find documentation about FEAL.
Thanks in advance
Ciao Hermann
Please email me !!!
| 11sci.crypt
|
Hi ppl,
I am running XFree386 under Linux SLS1.0 and am trying to get the german
keyboard working. I have already recompiled my kernel and the german
keyboard in the textmode works just fine.
I have found out, that there is a preconfigured german keymap for X
called Xmodmap.gr in /usr/lib/X11, so I ran xmodmap /usr/lib/X11/Xmodmap.gr.
My first impression was very good, I was able to get Z and Y straight :)
There's still a little problem I can't solve however:
I cannot get at the backslash, bar, brackets and curly brackets.
The ALT-GR key doesn't seem to work.
I tried xev to find out whether it produces an event at all and it does.
Looking up its keycode (113) in the Xmodmap I found the entry "Mode_switch"
which doesn't ring any bell. The entries for the keys I cannot use seem
to be correct. Example: keycode XX = ssharp questn backslash
The first 2 entries I can even get at. The first one is the unmodified
key and the second is the key with shift, but what is the 3rd??
My guess is that it should be the key with ALT-GR but it isn't.
If anybody has run into similar problems and knows how to solve them,
help would be appreciated.
CU
Alaric
| 5comp.windows.x
|
In article <nate.1507.735856109@psygate.psych.indiana.edu> nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle) writes:
> I admit I can't cite a specific, but if there isn't a law against
>purchasing grenade components and assembling them into functioning units
>then perhaps we need one. All second ammendment arguments aside, I'm just
>not sure that I like the idea of private citizens with hand grenades.
Are you aware you can make a grenade with gunpower and metal water pipes?
Maybe we should outlaw hardware stores and ammo reloading.
Are you aware that you can make a firebomb with gasoline? etc.
--
Justin Ngai, 8 pounds, 2 ounces,
born 4/24/93
| 16talk.politics.guns
|
aaronc@athena.mit.edu (Aaron Bryce Cardenas) writes:
>It troubles me that there have been so many posts recently trying to support
>the doctrine of Original Sin. This is primarily a Catholic doctrine, with no
>other purpose than to defend the idea of infant baptism. ...
>If you read all of Ezekiel 18, you will see that God doesn't hold us guilty
>for anyone else's sins. So we can have no original guilt from Adam.
This neatly eliminates the need for a savior and "proves" that we can be
saved by works alone! If we have no original sin, then it is possible for
us to save ourselves by not sinning. I understand the reasoning behind your
argument, but it leads to sheer folly. Original sin is the reason we need
faith to be saved.
Alan Terlep "...and the scorpion says, 'it's
Oakland University, Rochester, MI in my nature.'"
atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu
| 15soc.religion.christian
|
The biggest reason why the cost of medical care is so EXTREMELY high and
increasing is that NATURAL methods of treatment and even diagnosis are still
being SYSTEMATICALLY IGNORED and SUPPRESSED by the MONEY-GRUBBING and POWER-
MONGERING "medical" establishment.
Some examples of very low cost NATURAL ANTI-cancer Remedies are listed in
the following article:
NATURAL ANTI-CANCER REMEDIES
A 3RD OPINION
( Some of these Remedies also work against AIDS. )
DISCLAIMER: This list was compiled from unorthodox sources
that have shown themselves to be reliable. The compiler of
this list is NOT a doctor of any kind, but is exercising his
First Amendment Constitutional RIGHT of FREE SPEECH on the
subjects of his choice.
( MOST of these Remedies can be found in ANY Grocery Store.
MOST of the rest of them can be found in ANY Health Food
Store. What is important is HOW they are used, and what
else is EXCLUDED DURING their use. )
(1) THE 7-DAY FAST.
1st day: Eat as much fresh fruit as you want, one kind
at a time, preferably grapes.
2nd day: Eat all the vegetables you want, at least half
raw, including GARLIC; also, whole kernel corn to help scrape
clean the intestinal linings.
3rd day: Drink all the fresh fruit and vegetable juice
you want. Preferably start with 16 to 32 ounces of prune
juice WITH PULP, followed by a gallon of pure (NOT from
concentrate) apple juice, then grape juice. (Stay close to
your home bathroom.)
4th day: Eat all the UN-salted nuts (NO peanuts) and
dried fruit you want, preferably raisins and almonds (ALMONDS
CONTAIN LAETRILE.).
5th day: ONE GALLON OF LEMONADE. Squeeze the juice from
two lemons into a gallon of water (preferably distilled), and
add 2 to 4 tablespoons of locally-made honey, (NO sugar).
Drink one glass per hour.
[EVERYone, including healthy people, should do this one day
every week, preceded by a large glass of prune juice WITH
PULP.]
6th day: Same as 5th day.
7th day: Same as 6th day.
All 7 days, eat ONLY the foods listed above for each
day, along with your usual vitamin and mineral supplements,
plus as much DISTILLED WATER as you want.
(2) THE GRAPE DIET.
Eat 2 to 3 ounces of fresh grapes every 2 hours, 8 AM to
8 PM, every day for six days. Eat NOTHING else during the
six days, but drink as much DISTILLED WATER as you want.
(3) APPLE CIDER VINEGAR.
Mix a teaspoon of pure apple cider vinegar (NOT apple
cider "flavored" vinegar. Regular vinegar is HARMFUL.) in a
glass of water (preferably distilled) and drink all of it.
Do this 3 or 4 times per day, for 3 weeks; then stop for a
week. Repeat if desired. Do this along with a normal
healthy diet of natural foods. This remedy is especially
effective against those types of cancer that resemble a
FUNGUS, as well as against other kinds of fungus infections.
(4) THE SEA-SALT & SODA BATH. [Please keep an OPEN MIND.]
Fill a bathtub with moderately warm water so the level
comes up almost to the overflow drain when you get in.
Immerse yourself in it for a minute, and then completely
dissolve in the bath water 1 pound of SUN-evaporated SEA-salt
(regular salt won't work.) and 1 pound of fresh baking-soda.
Soak in this bath for 10 to 20 minutes, while exercising
your fingers, toes, and limbs, turning sideways and onto your
stomach, dunking your head, sitting up and laying back down,
chomping your teeth together, etc..
Among other things, the SEA-salt & Soda Bath neutralizes
the accumulated effects of X-rays, etc., as described in the
book "Born To Be Magnetic, Vol. 2", by Frances Nixon, 1973.
PRECAUTIONS: Only the ONE person using each bath should
prepare it and drain it.
For at least 30 minutes after taking the bath, stay away
from, and even out of sight of, other people. (Your greatly
expanded Aura energy-field during that time could disrupt
other people's fields.) Two hours after the bath, eat at
least 8 ounces of yogurt containing ACTIVE Yogurt Cultures.
(The bath may kill FRIENDLY bacteria also.) Better yet, take
a 2-Billion-bacteria "Acidophilus" capsule, which is also an
EXCELLENT DAILY REMEDY AGAINST THE EFFECTS OF "A.I.D.S."
(because it kills all kinds of harmful bacteria in the
digestive tract, taking a big load off the remaining immune
system). [Because this external bath can kill IN-ternal
bacteria, it may also be a CURE for "Lyme disease".]
Do NOT take this bath within a few hundred miles of a thunder
storm, within 3 days of a full moon, nor during "Major" or
"Minor Periods" as listed in the "Solunar Tables" published
bimonthly in "Field & Stream" Magazine, (because of the
measurable disruptive ambient environmental energy-fields
present at those times).
Do NOT take this bath more than four times per year.
(5) MISCELLANEOUS NATURAL ANTI-CANCER REMEDIES:
For skin cancer, apply STABILIZED Aloe Vera Jel to the
affected skin twice daily, and take 2 to 4 tablespoons
per day of STABILIZED Aloe Vera Juice internally, for
about 2 months.
D.M.S.O. (Dimethyl Sulfoxide) causes cancer cells to
perform NORMAL cell functions.
ALMONDS (UN-blanched, UN-roasted) CONTAIN LAETRILE.
To help prevent cancer, eat several almonds every day.
To help cure cancer, eat several OUNCES of almonds per
day.
[NEVER take large concentrated doses of Laetrile orally.
IT WILL KILL YOU! Take it INTRAVENOUSLY ONLY. (Cancer
cells contain a certain enzyme which converts Laetrile
into cyanide, which then kills the cell. This enzyme is
ALSO present in the digestive system.)]
ANTI-OXIDANTS are FREE-RADICAL SCAVENGERS, and include
Vitamin E, Selenium (200 mcg. per day is safe for most
people.), Chromium (up to 100 mcg. per day), Vitamin A
(25,000 IU per day is safe for most people.), Superoxide
Dismutase (up to 4,000,000 Units per day), Vitamin C (up
to 3000 mg. per day), and BHT (Butylated Hydroxy-
toluene), [1 to 4 capsules of BHT every night at bedtime
will also MAKE ONE IMMUNE AGAINST HERPES (BOTH types),
suppress herpes symptoms if one already has herpes,
prevent spreading herpes to other people, but will not
cure herpes. BHT MIGHT ALSO DO THESE THINGS AGAINST
"A.I.D.S.", which is really a form of cancer similar to
leukemia.] (See the book "Life Extension", by Durk
Pearson and Sandy Shaw.)
HYDROGEN-PEROXIDE. Dilute twelve(12) drops of 3%
hydrogen-peroxide in a glass of pure water (preferably
DISTILLED) and drink it. Do this once or twice per day,
hours before or after eating or drinking anything else.
Apply 3% hydrogen-peroxide directly to skin cancers
several times per day.
Use hydrogen-peroxide ONLY if you are taking a good
daily dose of some of the various anti-oxidants
described above.
VITAMIN & MINERAL SUPPLEMENTS are more effective, and
much less expensive, when COMBINED together in MEGA
doses into SINGLE tablets made from NATURAL sources.
Cancer cells can NOT live in a strong (100,000 Maxwell)
NORTH MAGNETIC FIELD, especially if it is pulsating on
and off. [A strong south magnetic field is an
aphrodisiac.] In my opinion, ALL types of ionizing-
radiation treatments for cancer should be REPLACED with
daily 30-minute doses of pulsating 100,000-Maxwell NORTH
magnetic fields.
Properly made and operated RADIONICS/PSIONICS MACHINES
can both diagnose and cure all forms of cancer, as well
as most other medical problems. Some Radionics/Psionics
Machines can even take cross-sectional X-ray-like photos
of cancer tumors, etc., with-OUT X-rays!
INTERFERON tablets.
TAHEEBO TEA, (Lapacho).
HOMEOPATHY can cure cancer, and many other medical
problems (even drug addiction!).
50 mg. per day of CHELATED ZINC can help prevent or cure
prostate trouble.
This list is NOT exhaustive.
The above NATURAL Remedies can CURE both diagnosed AND UN-
DIAGNOSED cancers, as well as PREVENT them, and also prevent
and cure many other medical problems including heart-
diseases. They are NOT too simple and inexpensive to work
effectively.
Besides acting on a person biologically and chemically, these
remedies, especially The 7-Day Fast and The Grape Diet, send
a strong message to one's subconscious mind, PROGRAMMING it
to CURE the cancer.
In my opinion, if a person finds out that s/he has cancer,
then s/he should promptly try at least the first 4 remedies
described above, in sequence (starting with The 7-Day Fast),
BEFORE resorting to the UN-natural and expensive mutilations
and agonies [POISON, BURN, and MUTILATE!] of orthodox cancer
treatment [organi$ed-CRIME!].
DISCLAIMER: This list was compiled from unorthodox sources
that have shown themselves to be reliable. The compiler of
this list is NOT a doctor of any kind, but is exercising his
First Amendment Constitutional RIGHT of FREE SPEECH on the
subjects of his choice.
FOR MORE INFORMATION, contact Cancer Control Society, 2043 N.
Berendo St., Los Angeles, CA 90027, and/or other organiza-
tions listed in the "Alternative Medicine" and "Holistic
Medicine" portions of the "Health and Medical Organizations"
Section (Section 8) of the latest edition of the "Encyclope-
dia of Associations" reference book in your local public or
university library.
UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this
IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED.
Robert E. McElwaine
| 13sci.med
|
In article <0fk=zHq00Uh_88eb0u@andrew.cmu.edu> Tami Grudzinski <tg2n+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> Your Custom Resume On Disk!
>
> *Macintosh or IBM compatible!*
>
> Never pay the high cost of copy service again. We will completely
>develop and format your custom resume package and mail you the disk or
> [blah blah blah deleted]
Who's "We"? Carnegie Mellon?
| 6misc.forsale
|
In article <1p7ciqINN3th@tamsun.tamu.edu> covingc@ee.tamu.edu (Just George) writes:
>I will be traveling to Bangaldesh this summer, and am wondering
>if there are any immunizations I should get before going.
>
You can probably get this information by calling your public health
department in your county (in Pittsburgh, they give the shots free,
as well). There are bulletins in medical libraries that give
recommendations, or you could call the infectious diseases section
of the medicine department of your local medical school. You also
will probably want to talk about Malaria prophylaxis. You will
need your doctor to get the prescription.
--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and
geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."
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| 13sci.med
|
[In response to a report by CBN News correspondent Ken Lormond about a
meeting between Slick Willie and homosexual activists:]
Lormond: "But Clinton will not be attending a rally by homosexuals in
Washington later this month. He will instead be out of town, on a
retreat with Senate Democrats."
Robertson: "Yeah, he'd better retreat." [Laughter, followed by
sustained applause]
[Later, in a report by correspondent Deborah Whitsen on the fizzling
boycott instigated by homosexuals against Colorado:]
Whitsen: "Colorado ski resorts have seen record crowds this year
despite a call by homosexual activists for boycott of the state ...
There have been record snowfalls in the mountains this year, and the
skiers have been coming in droves ..."
Robertson: "And God said, let it snow ..." [More sustained applause]
--
The views expressed herein are | Theodore A. Kaldis
my own only. Do you seriously | kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu
believe that a major university | {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis
as this would hold such views??? |
| 18talk.politics.misc
|
00bjgood@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>I just wanted to let everyone know that I have lost what little respect I have
>for Jim LeFebvre after seeing today's Cubs game. First of all how could he
[ etc. ]
>Vizcaino was batting. Face it Lefebvre has got to be the worst manager in
>baseball.
> A dishard Cub fan
Hey, he's the only manager so far to lead the Seattle Mariners to a
winning season, out of, what, fifteen? Give him some credit for that.
-- dave
--
/''' The Machman machman@u.washington.edu david c carroll
c-OO
\ "Big Science. Hallelujah"
-
| 9rec.sport.baseball
|
In article <19930419.062802.166@almaden.ibm.com> nicho@vnet.ibm.com writes:
|In <1q77ku$av6@access.digex.net> Pat writes:
|>The Work is privately funded, the DATA belongs to SBV. I don't see
|>either george or Fred, scoriating IBM research division for
|>not releasing data.
| We publish plenty kiddo,you just have to look.
Never said you didn't publish, merely that there is data you don't
publish, and that no-one scoriates you for those cases.
IBM research publishes plenty, it's why you ended up with 2 Nobel
prizes in the last 10 years, but that some projects are deemed
company confidential. ATT Bell Labs, keeps lots of stuff private,
Like Karamankars algorithm. Private moeny is entitled to do what
it pleases, within the bounds of Law, and For all the keepers of the
temple of SCience, should please shove their pointy little heads
up their Conically shaped Posterior Orifices.
pat
who just read the SA article on Karl Fehrabend(sp???)
| 14sci.space
|
In article <1993Apr19.165717.25790@ra.royalroads.ca>,
mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) wrote:
>
> It is true what you stated above: Jesus' saving grace is available to
> everyone, not just Jews. In other words, everyone can have salvation but
> not everyone will. This option is now open to people other than just
> Jews. Of course, if the Jews don't accept the deity of Christ, I would
> hardly expect them to accept anything that Christ said. But I don't feel
> any animosity towards them. Even though they persecuted Jesus and his
> disciples and eventually crucified Him, I bear them no ill will. If anything,
> I feel pity for them. Jesus had to die to pay the price for our sins and
> so the Jews were merely fulfilling prophesy. Jesus knew He had to die even
> before He began His ministry. That demonstrates the great depth of His love
> for us.
Jesus certainly demonstrated the great depth of his love for the
children who died today at the Davidian complex.
Sorry, but the events today made me even more negative concering
organized religion.
Cheers,
Kent
---
sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.
| 19talk.religion.misc
|
In article <viking.735373292@ponderous.cc.iastate.edu>, viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
> In <mcclaryC5snpq.KB1@netcom.com> mcclary@netcom.com (Michael McClary) writes:
>
>
>
>
> LDS and RLDS
> philosophy is that all other religions have strayed from the true
> Church as set down by Jesus, but that God will judge each on his
> own merits. In addition, the RLDS also contend (and the LDS may
> as well) that ignorance of the True Way (tm) is an excuse. You
> can only be condemned if you had been tought the way and rejected
> it. In short, LDS and RLDS suffer everybody from Lutherans to
> Buddhists, secure in the knowledge that though they are wrong they
> will not be penalized for ignorance.
I believe that this is not quite correct. My understanding is that LDS is
engaged on a project to "convert" the souls of deceased persons of other
religions, in order to spare them from damnation and gain them entrance into
heaven. To this end, the Church has compiled extensive genaeological records, so
that they will know the names of people to convert. A long article in the New
Yorker a few years ago described the LDS research methods in some detail (for
example, some researchers pay visits to local native storytellers to learn the
names of people long dead). This sounds like just the sort of lie that would be
made up about any unusual religion, but the New Yorker story convinced me that
there is some truth to it (the New Yorker used to do extensive fact-checking, and
the story was quite detailed).
Ari
| 16talk.politics.guns
|
The article that follows was taken from the Wednesday, April 14,
1993 issue of USA Today ("Drug Use Up At Younger Age" by Mike
Snider, p. 1A).
Drug use is on the rise among kids as young as eighth graders -
usually 13 - and they're using more LSD and inhalants like glue
and air fresheners, says a new survey.
The annual National High School Senior Survey on Drug Abuse finds
"statistically significant increases" in eighth-graders' use of
many drugs, including marijuana, cocaine, crack, LSD and inhalants.
"We may be in danger of losing some ... hard-won ground (in reducing
drug use) as a new, more naive generation of youngsters enters
adolescence," says Lloyd Johnston, University of Michigan, chief
researcher on the study sponsored by the Department of Health and
Human Services.
But drug use among high school seniors is continuing a decade-long
decline.
The study of 50,000 students shows the percentage who tried the
following in the 30 days before they were polled:
* 8th-graders - alcohol 26%; cigarettes 16%; marijuana 4%;
cocaine 0.7%.
* 10th-graders - alcohol 40%; cigarettes 22%; marijuana 8%;
cocaine 0.7%.
* 12th-graders - alcohol 51%; cigarettes 28%; marijuana 12%;
cocaine 1.3%.
Among 12th-graders, use of marijuana, cocaine and inhalants
declined over the year before. Not so with LSD.
* 2% of eighth-graders have tried LSD in the last year, up 24%
over 1991.
* Use of LSD among seniors is at its highest point since 1982; 6%
tried it in the last year.
Reducing drug use among students "requires a different kind of
strategy" that Health Secretary Donna Shalala says will be part
of an overall illness prevention plan.
The survey shows drugs are easier to get and fewer eighth-graders
disapprove of them.
"It's scary," Shalala says. "Dealers are focusing on younger, more
vulnerable kids."
Scott Kennedy, Brewer and Patriot
Before: "David Koresh is a cheap thug who interprets
the Bible through the barrel of a gun..." --ATF spokesman
After: "[The ATF] is a cheap thug who interprets
[the Constitution] through the barrel of a gun..." --Me
| 18talk.politics.misc
|
In article <C5JoIt.E31@bcstec.ca.boeing.com>, neil@bcstec.ca.boeing.com
(Neil Williams) writes...
#
#As long as we're on the subject... Several years ago myself and two others
#were riding in the front of a Toyota pickup heading south on Interstate 5
#north of Seattle, WA. Someone threw a rock of an overpass and hit our
#windshield. Not by accident I'm sure, it was impossible to get up to the
#overpass quickly to see who did it. We figured it was kids, reported it and
#left.
#A couple of years ago it happend again and killed a guy at my company. He was
#in his mid-fourties and left behind a wife and children. Turned out there was
#a reformatory for juviniles a few blocks away. They caught the 14 year old
#that did it. They put a cover over the overpass, what else could they do?
#I don't think I'll over forget this story.
#Neil Williams, Boeing Computer Services, Bellevue WA.
#..
#
Neil, what did they do to the 14-year-old who they caught? What did
the man's insurance company do? This could be significant and in any case
very interesting.
Followups to alt.parents-teens.
Fred W. Bach , Operations Group | Internet: music@erich.triumf.ca
TRIUMF (TRI-University Meson Facility) | Voice: 604-222-1047 loc 327/278
4004 WESBROOK MALL, UBC CAMPUS | FAX: 604-222-1074
University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., CANADA V6T 2A3
These are my opinions, which should ONLY make you read, think, and question.
They do NOT necessarily reflect the views of my employer or fellow workers.
| 7rec.autos
|
I caught the tail end of a piece on NPR (National Public Radio) about
Chomsky. Apparently there is a new documentary about him and his
concepts on the propagandist news media of the West, or some such.
The funny thing is that NPR painted Chomsky and the documentary in
such a positive light, or at least ended the report in a positive way.
The documentary is just now showing in a few cities in the US, and
will open in more cities in June. Sorry, forgot the title.
--
=Jim eggertj@ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
| 17talk.politics.mideast
|
In article <1495@heimdall.sdrc.com> crgruen@sony1.sdrc.com (robert gruen) writes:
>1. I received Amish Utilities for Windows when I purchased Turbo C++ for
> Windows. What is Amish Utilities? What can it do for me? All I
> received was the disk, no docs.
Maybe it milks the dogcow? 9-)
>2. I am running Windows in 1024x768x256 mode using a driver that was supplied
> with my SVGA card. The card is a BOCA SVGA card with 1Meg RAM, and I think
> it has an ET4000 chip in it (at least thats what some program tells me).
> The driver is an old driver that was written for Windows 3.1, it seems to
> work fine, but would I gain any benefits by switching to a newer driver? If
> so which one should I use and where could I find it?
Lots of drivers are available off ftp.cica.indiana.edu in pub/pc/win3/
drivers/video. I've tried two: et4cview.zip and et4turbo.zip. These
give you a choice of turbo and non-turbo drivers. The turbo drivers
were FAST but caused mouse problems with my machine (which has a
Diamond Speedstar card). I finally got turbo drivers (wndSpeed by
Binar) from Diamond. Amazing. Blazingly fast (for a non-accelerated
card) and best of all - no GPF's for a month or so...
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Internet: NTAIB@SILVER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU | Frog is Frog ala Peach
Bitnet: NTAIB@IUBACS !
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc
|
I've set followups to talk.politcs.mideast.
In article <C5LIHI.389@ccu.umanitoba.ca> ebrahim@ee.umanitoba.ca (Mohamad Ebrahimi) writes:
(Regarding PBS' Front;ine on the Iranian Bomb:)
> 4- A key point in program's justifications is trying to disvalidate as
> much as possible all efforts done by IAEA [*] in their numerous
> visits from
> Iran's different sites. They say: "We are not sure if the places visited
> by IAEA are the real ones or not" !, or " We can not rely on IAEA's
> reports and observation, because they failed to see Iraq's nuclear
> activities before" as if they didn't know that Iraq was trying to build
> nuclear weapons!
The IAEA has two conflicting goals. One is to promote the
spread of nuclear energy, the other to police its use. Any successful
policing, ie, finding cheaters, shows that its other arm is being
overzealous in its promotion of nuclear energy.
The IAEA announces in advance which sites it will visit. It
allows the country it is inspecting to veto areas on the list, by
claiming they are not used for nuclear work. Its inspectors are drawn
from all over the world, and few have any experience in bomb building.
Such experience would make the job of determining if a site was being
used for military purposes much easier.
Unfortunately, many countries object to knowledgeable
inspectors, because the only really knowledgeable inspectors come from
about 10 countries.
There was an excelent article on the Feb 1 1993 New Yorker on
why the IAEA fails to do its job.
Adam
Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu
"If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure
wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..." -John Perry Barlow
| 17talk.politics.mideast
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Hi everyone,
Does anyone know a good way to adjust colourmaps on the
fly (say during an animation) and prevent the current
set of colours from flickering?
Thanks,
Robert
robert@acsc.com
| 5comp.windows.x
|
>> 'cause a friend rented a car last year and it turned out he needed a lot more
>>insurance than what's included in the base price. But on the other hand he
>>didn't rent it from Alamo.
>>
>>Probability that I'll be needing more insurance?
>Unless you have an accident, you won't need more.
>
>Joe
>
==================
Let me see, "unless you have an accident, you won't need more", hmmmmmmm.
Bijan
| 7rec.autos
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In article <16BB8B194.R1328@vmcms.csuohio.edu> R1328@vmcms.csuohio.edu writes:
> In article <1993Apr22.134330.9761@rti.rti.org>
> jbs@rti.rti.org writes:
>
> >
> >In article <16BB7BA6A.R1328@vmcms.csuohio.edu> R1328@vmcms.csuohio.edu
writes:
> >>...Gun buyback programs will hopefully
> >>have an impact on accidental shootings (especially youths), domestic
> >>disputes where a gun is available in the heat of emotion and anger, and
> >>maybe keep a few guns from being stolen and later used in street-level
> >>crime.
> >
> >What gives you the idea that gun "buyback" programs will have an impact on
> >any of these things? Evidence, please?
> >
> > Please don't misinterret what I was saying Joe. I was making the point
tha
> there is NO evidence of effect of gun buyback programs but hopefully if
> there is any effect it may prevent injuries or deaths in one of these types
> of common incidents.
>
> >If you're a "Research Associate" in "Urban Child Research," then perhaps
> >you can comment for us on the ratio of the accidental gun death rate to the
> >rate of accidental death from other single causes? Follow that perhaps
> >with some sort of justification for the amount of effort that anti-gunners
> >spend trying to convince the country that accidental gun-related death
> >among children in the U.S. is a serious problem.
> >
> Firearms are the fifth-leading cause of unintentional deaths among children
> ages 14 and under. I don't understand how the ratio to other accidental
> deaths is important. So guns don't kill as many children as car accidents.
> What is the difference in severity between 1,000 deaths and 10,000 deaths?
> I am not trying to use accidental gun-related deaths among children as a
> justification for gun control. Who needs to be convinced that accidental
> gun deaths of children is a serious problem? I assumed that any humane
> person would be concerned when any 10 year old got hold of their parents
> gun from their bedroom drawer and accidently blew away one of their friends.
>
Any death is serious. Wanna discuss match control? Firearms related
unintentional deaths among children ages 14 and under are the fault of one or
more negligent persons, not the gun.
> >>More than anything, gun buyback programs are symbolic offerings to the
> >>community. In that sense, I think they might do a little good.
> >
> >Please explain why you think "symbolic offerings" do good.
> >
> My point was, gun buyback programs which are almost always run by police
> departments MIGHT (I stress might) do a LITTLE (I stress little) good by
> giving people the impression that the police are attempting to respond
> to interpersonal gun violence in a unique way. Overall, I thought that I
> had made it clear that I did not think that gun buyback programs were
> useful.
>
Providing false hope, then, is the intent?
>
> >>I do know that the vast majority of guns that are used by youths or
> >>brought to school by youths on a daily basis (about 135,000 youths) are
> >>obtained easily and quickly, through a personal friend, or more often
> >>"borrowed" from a parent without their knowledge.
> >
> >I suggest you go back and look at wherever you saw these "statistics" - I
> >suspect you'll find if you look carefully that 135,000 is the number of
> >students *estimated* to have carried *a weapon* (not necessarily a gun)
> >to school at least once in the past year, and not the number of students
> >who carry a gun to school daily.
> >
> Well Joe, I suggest that you talk to the Center to Prevent Handgun Violence
> or the Centers for Disease Control. If YOU look carefully you will see
> that YOU greatly underestimate the presence of guns in the lives of youths.
> The CPHV reports that 135,000 youth bring GUNS to school DAILY and that
> 400,000 bring GUNS to school at least once a year. The CDC estimates
> that 1 out 0f 25 high school students carried a gun to school at least once
> in 1990. The CDC also says that 1.2 million elementary-aged, latch-key
> children (kids who come home from school to an empty house), have access
> to guns in their home. California schools reported a 200% increase in
> student gun confiscations between 1986 and 1990, and a 40% increase between
> 1988 and 1990. Florida reported a 61% percent increase in gun incidents in
> schools between 1986/87 amd 1987/88. These are the "statistics".
>
200% increase in California schools, eh? Gun control is working fine, there!
>
>
> >>thus willing to follow a man who claimed to be the Messiah (Got news
> >>for you folks, if the Big Cheese was on this crazy planet of ours
> >>presently, he would NOT be carrying a gun or holding children when they
> >>were in danger).
> >
> >"Holding kids?" Time for a reality check, son. These kids were the
> >children of the people inside who believed that the forces of evil were
> >outside waiting to kill them. Would you send *your* children out the door
> >if you believed as they did?
> >
> Okay, maybe I worded it wrong...DAD. I meant that to put children in a
> situation (fortified compound) where harm could come to them is not the
> act of a Messiah in my opinion. I'm not saying that Koresh had control over
> these children directly, but I would hope that whatever Messiah there is
> would not let innocent children die.
> If as he claimed he was the Messiah and people followed him as such, why
> did he not tell their parents to free the children instead of letting them
> burn alive? Thanks for the reality check Joe, its been real.
>
So your religion is different. Does that make it his wrong? Even assuming
Koresh actually made that decision, and the verdict is still out on that.
> Rodney
Jim
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jmd@handheld.com
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"I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought
that. But I can't do that by myself." Bill Clinton 6 April 93
"If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed
in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"
WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777
| 16talk.politics.guns
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In article <1pka0uINNnqa@mojo.eng.umd.edu>, georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) writes:
|> Forget about total cholesterol when assessing health risk factors.
|> Instead, use a relationship between LDL and HDL cholesterol:
|>
|> If your LDL is You need an HDL of at least
|>
|> 90 35
|> 100 45
|> 110 50
|> 120 55
|> 130 60
|> 140 70
Gee, what do I do? My LDL is only 50-60. (and my HDL is only 23-25)
I must be risking something, but Is it the same risk as those with
very high LDL?
|> If your triglycerides are above 300, and your HDL is below 30, the
|> drug of choice is gemfibrozil (Lopid) taken as a 600mg tablet
|> thirty minutes before your morning and evening meals.
What about exercise and a low-fat diet? What are the long-term
effects of this drug?
--
Doug Bank Private Systems Division
dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com Motorola Communications Sector
dougb@nwu.edu Schaumburg, Illinois
dougb@casbah.acns.nwu.edu 708-576-8207
| 13sci.med
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A very kind soul has mailed me this reply for the bugs in CView.
Since he isn't in the position to post this himself, he asked me to post
it for him, but to leave his name out. So here it comes:
CView has quite a number of bugs. The one you mention is perhaps the most
annoying, but not the most dangerous. As far as I can determine, it has to
do with the temp files that CView creates. CView gives the user no control
over where it places its temp files: it just places them in its
"current directory". The problem you mention occurs (as far as I can tell)
when it runs out of disk space for its temp files. It seems as if CView
doesn't check properly for this situation. As Cview decodes a jpeg, it seems
to write out a temp file with all the pixel data with 24 bit colour
information. Then, for 8 bit displays, it does the "dithering", again writing
another file with the 8 bit colour information. While it is writing this
second file, it also writes the data to your colour card. Then when it does
the last chunk of 8 bit data, it recopies all the data from the 8 bit file to
your screen again. (It does this last "recopy" operation for its
"fit to screen" feature, even when this feature is not enabled.)
The result of this process is the following:
1) If it runs out of disk space when writing the first 24 bit file, all
you ever see is as much data as it has room for, and the last bit of
data is simply repeated over and over again because CView never
realizes the disk has filled up and disk writes/reads aren't performed.
2) If it has enough room for the 24 bit data, but runs out of room for
the 8 bit data, you see almost all of the picture as it does the
dithering and writes to the screen card.
However, then when it finishes the dithering and recopies the data
from the 8 bit file to screen (for whatever reason it does this)
one again just gets a repetition of the last chunk of data for which
there was room on the disk.
This is just a guess, but probably fairly accurate. At least the general
idea is on track I think, although I have probably made errors in details
about file I/O etc. The way around this is of course to clear up sufficient
disk space. The temp files for large JPEG's (1200x900 and bigger) can be
very large (3 Meg + 1 Meg ). On some of the largest I have needed in excess
of 6 Meg free disk space.
CView has a much more serious bug: if you are trying to display a file from
a floppy, and you change floppies while CView has some temp file open on the
floppy, then CView in certain circumstances will write the directory (and FAT
table? I can't remember) for the removed floppy onto the newly inserted
floppy, thus corruptimg the new floppy in a very serious, possibly
unrevcoverable way. SO BE CAREFUL! It is incredibly poor programming for a
program to do this. On the other hand, when choosing files in the Open Files
menu, CView insists on doing a few disk reads every time one moves the
hi-lighter square. Incredibly annoying when it could do them all at once
when it gets the directory info. And really, how much effort does it take to
sort a directory listing?
With much thanks to the originator of this article.
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| Rene Walter | renew@stack.urc.tue.nl |
+-----------------------------+-------------------------------------------+
| "Will I drown in tears of sorrow, Is there hope for tomorrow, |
| Will this world ever get better, Can't we all just live together |
| I don't wanna live in strife , I just wanna live my life |
| I deserve to have a future..." |
| -The Good Girls "Future" |
+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+
| 1comp.graphics
|
I've recently uploaded to cica the current (v2.8) version of the working
model of MicroCal Origin, a scientific and technical 2D/3D graphics and data
analysis package for Windows 3.x. The working model is 2D only and puts a
promo message on hardcopies, but is largely identical to the full version.
Saving Origin files is disabled, but you can save ASCII data sets produced
with Origin. It also says it has an expiration date of Sept. 1, 1993.
Try it. You may like it, as I do!
It's currently in /pub/pc/win3/uploads as ORIGIN.ZIP.
<include std disclaimer>
===========================================================================
| Tom Carter | carter@photon.cem.msu.edu |
| Michigan State University | carter@msucem.bitnet |
| Chemistry Department | |
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| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc
|
In article <C5pntM.8Co@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes:
>This tactic depends for its effectiveness on the dog's conformance to
>a "psychological norm" that may not actually apply to a particular dog.
>I've tried it with some success before, but it won't work on a Charlie Manson
>dog or one that's really, *really* stupid. A large Irish Setter taught me
>this in *my* yard (apparently HIS territory) one day. I'm sure he was playing
>a game with me. The game was probably "Kill the VERY ANGRY Neighbor" Before
>He Can Dispense the TERRIBLE PUNISHMENT.
What, a dog weighs 150lb maybe, at max? You can't handle it?
You have, I presume, thumbs? Grapple with it and tear it's head
off!
Sheesh, even a trained attack dog is no match for a human,
we have *all* the advantages.
Regards, Charles
DoD0.001
RZ350
--
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person
| 8rec.motorcycles
|
We get about 20 Taurus/Sables for fleet cars at our site every year, then the
company sells them a year later to employees. The folks I know who drive/buy
them have no complaints. The cars seem to drive real nice too.
| 7rec.autos
|
Hi,
I'm currently in the process of writing a number of PD programs
for the sound blaster. The first of which is a CMF voice editor which
is hopefully going to be available soon (as soon as I can get it to
an FTP site).
Anyway the next stage is to use the midi port to enter music and play
the FM synth remotely. The problem is that I have little or no info
on the SB midi port.
I have tried using the Sound blaster freedom project routines, however
this just results in the port locking after a couple of accesses and
loss the of note velocity data byte.
I am using Turbo C and would be grateful for any info or source fragments
may help. When I was in Berlin this summer I saw a book which seemed to
have all this information, but my German is poor to say the least, if anyone
has this book could they please mail me.
My second request for help concerns standard file formats (how can a file
format be standard if you keep it secret ?) I need to know the file format
for instrument bank files *.BNK and Roland music files *.ROL.
Finally does anyone have a source for displaying PCX or GIF files to EGA
or VGA monitors.
Please Help, You know it makes sense.
Colin
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
|
Someone was looking for these a few weeks ago - check out comp.dsp
Mike.
| 12sci.electronics
|
Macintosh II cx with 40 MB HD, 8 MB RAM and 19" monochrome
monitor (Ikegami) is for sale.
Asking $3,000, no reasonable (best) offer will be rejected.
Contact Konrad at (416) 365-0564m Mon-Frii 9-5.
| 6misc.forsale
|
In article <C5KI6y.C9E@news.cso.uiuc.edu> parker@ehsn17.cen.uiuc.edu (Robert S. Parker) writes:
>[mucho delete-o concerning abortion not being a choice if lower class women
>can't afford it]
If all choices should have federal funding so poor people can afford them,
then shouldn't firearms be federally subsidized? After all, it is the people
in the ghettoes who are most affected by the proliferation of weapons among
criminals. Shouldn't they have federal funding so they can protect themselves
and their families from inner city criminals?
>-Rob
C'mon, Rob. If there is one argument that is ridiculous concerning
abortion it is that pro-choice should imply federal funding for abortion.
It's very dishonest.
Ralph D. Taite
President, Institute for Conservative Policy Review
| 19talk.religion.misc
|
In article <1r46o9INN14j@mojo.eng.umd.edu> sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu writes:
>So how much would it cost as a private venture, assuming you could talk the
>U.S. government into leasing you a couple of pads in Florida?
Why would you want to do that? The goal is to do it cheaper (remember,
this isn't government). Instead of leasing an expensive launch pad,
just use a SSTO and launch from a much cheaper facility.
Allen
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+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Lady Astor: "Sir, if you were my husband I would poison your coffee!" |
| W. Churchill: "Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it." |
+----------------------56 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+
| 14sci.space
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NUT CASE PANICS!!!!REALIZES HE'S MADE A COMPLETE FOOL OF HIMSELF IN FRONT OF
THOUSANDS OF NETTERS!!!!BACKS AWAY FROM EARLIER RASH STATEMENTS!!!!GOD HAVE
MERCY ON HIM!!!!
| 16talk.politics.guns
|
Dear fellow Christians,
I had a dinner last night with a bible study group which
I am in. We had a discussion about the difference between Christianity
and Islam. And I was shocked to hear that our bible study teacher
said that Mohammad was indeed a prophet but of Satan. I said, "What??"
I did not believe that, because I have some moslem friends who are
so kind and nice, even sometimes I feel I wish I could be like them
(in my point of view, they don't sin as much as I do). How come if they
were under Satan, they could have such personalities.
To tell you the truth, I don't know much about Islam.
But I know that they believe in God, they believe in the day of
judgement.
Now I'm asking you what your opinions about Islam and
its teaching.
IMPORTANT : I do not want to discuss whether they are saved or not.
I do not want to discuss about politic related to Islam.
P.S: I post this in bit.listserv.christia, soc.religion.christian,
and bit.listserv.catholic.
In Christ, our Lord, Smile.........
Jesus loves you.......
Tabut Torsina
TORSINA@ENUXHB.EAS.ASU.EDU
[Let me start by saying that this is not the right newsgroup for a
discussion of Islam, since there's a group for that. But I suspect
the point your teacher was making was not specifically about Islam.
Indeed it's going to be impossible to see what he was getting at
within your groundrules, since the question of whether non-Christians
are saved is at the heart of it.
The classic Christian view, which I think most people believed until
the last century or so, was that Christianity (and of course Judaism)
was the only religion founded by God, and that all other religions
worshipped false gods, and came from Satan. This is more or less a
corollary of another traditional view that no one but Christians (and
possibly Jews) will be saved. This need not mean that there's no
truth in any other religion, nor that all of their members are
intentionally Satanic. After all, in order to be an effective snare,
Satanic alternatives would have to be attractive. Thus they might
contain all kinds of truth, wisdom and spiritual insights. They would
be missing only one thing -- knowledge of salvation through Christ.
If this is the background of your teacher's remarks -- and I suspect
it is -- that means that a discussion of Islam is not necessarily
relevant. The point is not that there's anything intrinsically wrong
with it. It may teach a fine code of behavior, and its practitioners
may all be wonderful people. But if salvation requires being a
follower of Christ, it could still be a Satanic invention.
This is a reasonable deduction from the classic Protestant position.
Christianity says that salvation isn't a matter of being kind and
nice. Those are good things, and we should encourage them. But no
one is able to do them enough to be saved. Salvation requires Christ.
(Please forgive me for doing this in Protestant terms. There's a
Catholic equivalent to this that has similar implications, but in
different terms.) A religion may be quite attractive in all visible
ways. But if it doesn't have Christ, it's like a diet that consists
of food that looks wonderful, tastes great, but is missing some
essential food element so that you end up dying.
Let me be clear that I am not specifically advocating this position.
What I'm trying to do is (as usual) to clarify issues. Indeed it is
now relatively uncommon for Christians to believe that all other
religions are Satanic. Most Christians regard such beliefs as an
unfortunate vestige of the past. This is part of a general move
within Christianity in the last century or so to a non-judgemental
God. Christians now find it hard to believe that God would allow
anybody other than a really rotten person to end up in hell, and they
find it hard to envision that real malignant spiritual forces are at
work in the world doing things like creating superficially attractive
alternatives to Christianity. Whether there is actually a sound basis
for the shift is a decision that people need to make for themselves.
--clh]
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Does anyone know of any free X-servers for PCs, preferably that run under
MS Windows? THANKS.
Peter Buttuls, University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
e-mail:(userpib@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
| 5comp.windows.x
|
amh2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ALOIS M. HIMSL) writes:
>be worthwhile? Or how about something like the old MGB with new technology?
>Just think about it - the old style with upgraded safety features and perhaps a
>natural gas operated engine for less than 10K. I think it would go over well.
>What is your opinion??????
>Al H
Well, the MGB is currently in production for the English market, built
by Rover. It now has a V8, improved suspention, and a slightly
updated body. Too bad it's only available in GB and would set one
of us back about $42,000+.
--
Graham E. Thomas * blah blah blah blah blah
Georgia Institute of Technology * blah blah blah blah blah
Internet: grahamt@oit.gatech.edu * blah blah blah blah blah
| 7rec.autos
|
>In article <93Apr20.211127.44984@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>
>
>> I bought it, I tried it:
>>
>> It is, truly, the miracle spooge.
>>
>> My chain is lubed, my wheel is clean, after 1000km.
>>
>
I would like to offocially nominate Maxima Chain Wax as another
Official (tm) DoD product of choice.
--
DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan
The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
thinking we were at when we created them. - Albert Einstein
___________________The Eternal Champion_________________
| 8rec.motorcycles
|
In article <1993Apr28.141606.17449@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov>,
bday@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Brian Day) writes:
> rdouglas@stsci.edu (Rob Douglas) writes:
>
>>[...] But try to land a shuttle with that big huge telescope in the
>>back and you could have problems. The shuttle just isn't designed to land
>>with that much weight in the payload.
>
> Is HST really _that_ much heavier than a Spacelab ???
>
I hate to belabor the obvious once again, but if there had been an Orbiter
emergency in the early stages of the original HST deployment mission, they
would have HAD to land with HST in the bay.
Indeed they were worried about that. One concern was the possibility that
they would lose a motor or something on the way up, and make orbit but one
that was too low to give HST a useful lifetime against atmospheric drag.
I believe the decision was to deploy HST even if the projected lifetime was
as short as six months. In fact we got an excellent orbit, on the upper
envelope of what the Shuttle can do.
I have never heard of any serious consideration that HST might be brought
down for refurbishment. You would have the horrendous cost of transporting,
cleaning, re-testing, and re-certifying all the hardware on the ground, in
addition to the lost observing time and the cost of a second deployment
mission with the risks that we might not get such a good orbit the second
time. And, you would probably STILL need a (third) servicing mission in a
few years as gyros and other components wear out. Better to have two
servicing missions in space (which could well happen) than to bring HST down
and take it up again.
Ben
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