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on mon aug NUMBER NUMBER at NUMBER NUMBER NUMBERpm NUMBER matthias saou wrote i ve repackaged the new gkrellm NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER which is now ported to gtkNUMBER woohoo unfortunately the plugins are incompatible with the previous NUMBER NUMBER x ones and since not many all have been ported yet i prefer not to release the package on the main URL site for now you could go the same way as the others and call it gkrellmNUMBER and conflict with vNUMBER if the executables or paths are the same hey you re right i don t want to call a destructor on my objects i want to call a destroyer gozer has come for your memory little persistentnode joel gluth _______________________________________________ rpm list mailing list rpm list URL URL

on mon NUMBER aug NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER matthias saou matthias egwn net wrote hi all i ve repackaged the new gkrellm NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER which is now ported to gtkNUMBER woohoo unfortunately the plugins are incompatible with the previous NUMBER NUMBER x ones and since not many all have been ported yet i prefer not to release the package on the main URL site for now for those of you who d like to try it out you can grab it here URL i think the themes are still compatible but haven t tried to install some with NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER yet last note the above packages are for valhalla and yes although gnome NUMBER is not in valhalla gtkNUMBER and glibNUMBER have been from the very beginning sweet dude i was really hoping it d be out sooner or later thanks a bunch brian fahrländer linux zealot conservative and technomad evansville in my voyage URL icq NUMBER i ve been complaining for years and almost no one listened windows is just easier you said i don t want to learn anything new you said tell me how easy this is URL _______________________________________________ rpm list mailing list rpm list URL URL

made other than that i bet you could do non root the following can be scripted easily NUMBER unpack them somewhere NUMBER for each of them go to the top directory of the unpacked tarball and do configure then look in i m going by memory topdir utils you should see a spec file there do this for the NUMBER tarballs and you get NUMBER spec files the above steps can all be performed automatically if the spec files are updated to include the necessary macros in the prep setup q and build stages this would make the building of the rpm files less error prone and more self contained and it would be somewhat self documenting _______________________________________________ rpm list mailing list rpm list freshrpms net URL

original message from adam l beberg beberg mithral com memory management is a non issue for anyone that has any idea at all how the hardware functions in theory there is no difference between theory and practice in practice there is

URL making a mesh on the move a new way to give us fast mobile net access spells further trouble for NUMBERg reports peter rojas peter rojas thursday august NUMBER NUMBER the guardian imagine being able to surf the net at speeds faster than dsl from anywhere at any time you could watch a live video webcast while waiting for the bus email photos to your friends while sitting in the park or download the mpNUMBER of the song that s playing in the pub before it finishes this is the vision of a high speed wireless internet paradise that the third generation NUMBERg mobile phone companies have been promoting for years NUMBERg services are just beginning to be rolled out but a new technology called mesh networking promises to deliver on this vision sooner and more effectively than the mobile phone companies could ever dream two companies us startup meshnetworks and moteran networks of germany are each developing their own competing version of mesh networking instead of the current hub and spoke model of wireless communications with every device connecting to an overburdened central antenna any time mesh enabled devices mobile phones pdas laptops are in close proximity to each other they automatically create a wireless mesh network every device in the area acts as a repeater or router relaying traffic for everyone else traffic hops from person to person until it reaches the nearest internet access point reducing the need for central antennas and improving wireless coverage as the number of mobile phones soars and wireless pdas laptops and other devices begin to crowd the spectrum this approach to wireless networking may be inevitable mesh networks also have several other advantages over NUMBERg wireless networks while NUMBERg operators roll out mobile services that offer users connection speeds of up to NUMBER kbps roughly three times faster than a dial up modem moteran and meshnetworks are able to offer connection speeds of up to NUMBERmbps over a hundred times faster than dial up the technologies they use include wi fi the emerging standard for high speed wireless networking also known as NUMBER NUMBERb a similarly short range protocol called ultrawideband which is poised to succeed wi fi is even faster and could by NUMBER approach NUMBER mbps the range of a typical wi fi network is generally too limited to be of much use when travelling around a city mesh networks get around the problem of coverage by having every device in the network relay traffic even though the range of any individual device is relatively small because in theory there will be so many users in the surrounding area connections will be faster and better than that of a standard NUMBERg wireless connection because mesh networks use wi fi the equipment and infrastructure needed to create them is cheap and readily available instead of building cellular phone towers that often cost hundreds of thousands of pounds all that is needed to get a network going are wireless access points around NUMBER now placed strategically around town to relay traffic and the proper software existing laptops and pdas can be mesh enabled by software it also means that anyone could set up their own mobile phone network unlike with NUMBERg cellular the part of the spectrum that wi fi operates on is unregulated in the us britain the mobile phone companies are none too pleased about this especially since many of them spent billions of pounds acquiring NUMBERg licences all that s needed are cheap relays and mobile phones equipped to connect to the network with every additional customer that signs up coverage gets better instead of getting worse as is the case with mobile phone networks but things get very interesting when you realise that when you have high speed internet connections everywhere and everyone s laptops pdas and mobile phones are connected together at blazingly fast speeds sharing music movies or whatever else becomes ridiculously easy when ultrawideband hits all of this will just accelerate at NUMBERmbps copying a pirated copy of the lord of the rings from the person sitting across from you at the cafe would take about NUMBER seconds sooner or later playgrounds will be filled with kids swapping files of their favourite songs movies and video games but the first mesh networks are not likely to be available to consumers meshnetworks has no plans to offer its own high speed wireless service instead the company plans to sell its technology to others such as cities that want to provide wireless internet to police fire and public works employees or businesses that want to establish wireless networks on the cheap moteran has similar aspirations for small businesses and for enterprise networks the first place average users may use the technology is when it is incorporated into vehicles enabling motorists to access the internet at high speeds which both companies see happening soon when will you be able to wander around town with a NUMBERmbps connection in your pocket it s too soon to say but just as broadband internet service was initially available only to businesses and universities eventually someone will see the profit in bringing mesh networking to the masses

on NUMBER sep NUMBER rosso wrote john waylan who was interviewed in wired a few years back pulled out a NUMBER NUMBER second run in the quarter mile NUMBERmph on a battery pack that hasn t been broken in yet he expects to break his record next year topping his NUMBER NUMBERsec NUMBERmph run a couple of years ago he s shooting for a NUMBER second run battery pack huh what you dont use batteries for a NUMBER NUMBER mile run you use capacitors many times the energy density and you can get the energy out fast enough note that the battery packs are fully swapped out for recharging after each run anyway just like a gas dragster is refueled so this wouldnt be cheating NUMBER mph should be no problem adam l duncan beberg URL beberg URL

on mon NUMBER sep NUMBER adam l beberg wrote battery pack huh what you dont use batteries for a NUMBER NUMBER mile run you use capacitors many times actually you use both the energy density and you can get the energy out fast enough note that no even best supercapacitors are a long way to go from reasonably good electrochemical energy sources but you can recharge and discharge them very quickly and they take lots more of cycles than the best battery ideal for absorbing the braking energy and turn them into smoking tires few moments or minutes afterwards the battery packs are fully swapped out for recharging after each run anyway just like a gas dragster is refueled so this wouldnt be cheating NUMBER mph should be no problem i don t see any reason why evs shouldn t dominate dragster runs the traction is the limiting factor not motor power you can basically put the motors into wheelhubs mounted on a composite frame and dump juice into them until they melt which will be some NUMBER sec downstream plenty of time to smoke anything of course it doesn t roar and spew smokage so it won t happen

i stand corrected i d thought i d seen a display there listing in the ben franklin museum which showed them as ranging in age from NUMBER to just over NUMBER for the oldest most in their early twenties gary lawrence murphy garym teledyn com teledynamics communications inc business advantage through community software URL computers are useless they can only give you answers pablo picasso

another thing to note about australia is that while the highest income tax bracket NUMBER isn t that high it kicks in at around usdNUMBER NUMBER and it looks like ppp for usd NUMBERk is only about usd NUMBERk at least in big macs URL australia a NUMBER NUMBER usd NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER us NUMBER NUMBER usd NUMBER NUMBER switzerland sfrNUMBER NUMBER usd NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER interestingly enough although housing in perth seems cheap housing in switzerland doesn t seem to be as expensive as the big macs would imply dave which still doesn t sound bad if one can convert urban ca equity into free and clear oz ownership

on tue NUMBER sep NUMBER russell turpin wrote for the most part these were angry middle aged men a column in this table shows their age at the time mainly they were a bunch of rich people the white old male is irrelivant but how it happened to be at the time that didnt want to pay their taxes to da man er king so they had a revolution and formed a no tax zone leading to a very fast growing economy and dreams for all amazing what an economy without NUMBER of everything disappearing to taxes it was a great many years before their were federal taxes in the us now we give rich men who dont want to pay any taxes corporations to run with enough writeoffs and loopholes that they dont have to pay any adam l duncan beberg URL beberg URL

i used async io on system v in the NUMBER NUMBER time frame i did it that way cause i thought it was cool to see if i could keep the tape spinning i can believe linux is catching up to this but some ability to do async io already existed in the unix world john hall NUMBER NUMBERth ave ne kirkland wa NUMBER original message from fork admin URL mailto fork admin URL on behalf of adam l beberg sent saturday august NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm to fork URL subject gasp red hat linux advanced server provides many high end features such as support for asynchronous i o now read i o no longer needs to stall your application while waiting for completion could it be after NUMBER years without this feature unix finally catches up to windows and has i o that doesnt totally suck for nontrivial apps no way ok so they do it with signals or a flag which is completely ghetto but at least they are trying keep trying guys you got the idea but not the clue adam l duncan beberg URL beberg URL

on tue NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER at NUMBER NUMBER adam l beberg wrote it was a great many years before their were federal taxes in the us and during said period there were more than a few serious depressions amazing what economies tend to do with or without taxes luis

congrats in the end if they didn t have max they might have succumbed because paypal was susceptible to fraud and money laundering and max tightened them up URL secure and at ease by jack mccarthy august NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm pt max levchin s fascination with encryption started when he was a teenager in kiev ukraine and continued as he immigrated to the united states where he attended the university of illinois at urbana champaign in late NUMBER not two years out of college he drew on his passion to co found paypal the online payment system that has since attracted tens of millions of users and gained the reputation as the premier internet transaction processor now online auction house ebay has acquired his company for a king s ransom not bad for a NUMBER year old kid from ukraine a programmer since he was NUMBER years old levchin and his family moved to chicago in NUMBER and since then he has pursued security as if on a mission he created a startup right out of college to build secure passwords for palm pilots he met peter thiel and the two founded paypal to target online payment security thiel is now ceo of the company this company was founded on the notion of security value levchin says peter thiel and i shared that vision from the very beginning thiel concentrates on company business matters whereas levchin remains focused on security which he says is the key to the company s good fortune i explain paypal as a security company posing as a transaction processor levchin says we spend a lot of time designing security so it doesn t step on the toes of convenience and not the other way around the trade off is fundamental mountain view calif based paypal allows businesses and consumers with e mail addresses to send and receive payments via the internet accepting credit card or bank account payments for purchases the service extends to NUMBER countries with more than NUMBER million users and more than NUMBER million business accounts most of paypal s users are participants in online auctions which led paypal to be closely linked with ebay the leading web auction site although they were once rivals the relationship between the two companies resulted july NUMBER in ebay s tentative NUMBER NUMBER billion acquisition of paypal the agreement is subject to regulatory review levchin says he will stay at paypal as it merges with ebay there are areas of synergy and collaboration we can explore although security is a dominant feature for paypal the company s ability to carry out open communications among the millions of participants fits the growing web services model levchin says this is a service that links people and allows them to send messages to one another he says levchin is a panelist at infoworld s next generation web services ii conference sept NUMBER paypal as an online payment system is a natural target for fraud and levchin has almost singlehandedly saved the company from thieves bent on exploiting the system says avivah litan a vice president and analyst covering financial services at stamford conn based gartner if they didn t have max they might have succumbed because paypal was susceptible to fraud and money laundering and max tightened them up litan says to combat criminals levchin established igor an antifraud program that monitors transactions and warns of suspicious accounts levchin says building security and antifraud systems is a job he relishes the work i do is important to paypal and to consumers in general because the work makes internet shopping safe it s the view that ecommerce has arrived

of course we ve had select since bsd NUMBER NUMBER and poll since system v or so and they work reasonably well for asynchronous i o up to a hundred or so channels but suck after that dev poll available in solaris and linux is one approach to solving this linux has a way to do essentially the same thing with real time signals and has for years and freebsd has kqueue more details about these are at URL none of this helps with disk i o most programs that need to overlap disk i o with computation on either proprietary unixes or linux just use multiple threads or processes to handle the disk i o posix specifies a mechanism for nonblocking disk i o that most proprietary unixes implement the linux kernel hackers are currently rewriting linux s entire i o subsystem essentially from scratch to work asynchronously because they can easily build efficient synchronous i o primitives from asynchronous ones but not the other way around so now linux will support this mechanism too it probably doesn t need saying for anyone who s read beberg saying things like memory management is a non issue for anyone that has any idea at all how the hardware functions but he s totally off base people should know by now not to take anything he says seriously but apparently some don t so i ll rebut not surprisingly the rebuttal requires many more words than the original stupid errors in detail he wrote could it be after NUMBER years without this feature unix finally catches up to windows and has i o that doesnt sic totally suck for nontrivial apps no way unix acquired nonblocking i o in the form of select about NUMBER years ago and solaris has had the particular aio_ calls we are discussing for many years very few applications need the aio_ calls essentially only high performance rdbms servers even benefit from them at all and most of those have been faking it fine for a while with multiple threads or processes this just provides a modicum of extra performance ok so they do it with signals or a flag which is completely ghetto but at least they are trying keep trying guys you got the idea but not the clue readers can judge who lacks the clue here the windows i o model does definately sic blow the doors off the unix one but then they had select to point at in it s sic suckiness and anything would have been an improvement unix is just now looking at it s sic i o model and adapting to a multiprocess multithreaded world so it s gonna be years yet before a posix api comes out of it although i don t have a copy of the spec handy i think the aio_ apis come from the posix spec ieee std NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER section NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER which is NUMBER years old and which i think documented then current practice they might be even older than that unix has been multiprocess since NUMBER and most unix implementations have supported multithreading for a decade or more bottom line is the do stuff when something happens model turned out to be right and the unix look for something to do and keep looking till you find it no matter how many times you have to look is not really working so great anymore linux s aio_ routines can notify the process of their completion with a signal a feature missing in microsoft windows a signal causes the immediate execution of a signal handler in a process by contrast the microsoft windows mechanisms to do similar things such as completion ports do not deliver a notification until the process polls them i don t think signals are a better way to do things in this case although i haven t written any rdbmses myself but you got the technical descriptions of the two operating systems exactly backwards most programs that use linux real time signals for asynchronous network i o in fact block the signal in question and poll the signal queue in a very windowsish way using sigtimedwait or sigwaitinfo kragen pobox com kragen sitaker URL edsger wybe dijkstra died in august of NUMBER this is a terrible loss after which the world will never be the same URL

ah this is the car i ve seen on discovery channel but url via a lurker URL adam l duncan beberg URL beberg URL

adam l beberg wrote on tue NUMBER sep NUMBER kragen sitaker wrote entire post included yep he sure did but thanks for reminding us

on tue NUMBER sep NUMBER kragen sitaker wrote of course we ve had select since bsd NUMBER NUMBER and poll since system v or so and they work reasonably well for asynchronous i o up to a hundred or so channels but suck after that dev poll available in solaris and linux is one approach to solving this linux has a way to do essentially the same thing with real time signals and has for years and freebsd has kqueue more details about these are at URL none of this helps with disk i o most programs that need to overlap disk i o with computation on either proprietary unixes or linux just use multiple threads or processes to handle the disk i o posix specifies a mechanism for nonblocking disk i o that most proprietary unixes implement the linux kernel hackers are currently rewriting linux s entire i o subsystem essentially from scratch to work asynchronously because they can easily build efficient synchronous i o primitives from asynchronous ones but not the other way around so now linux will support this mechanism too it probably doesn t need saying for anyone who s read beberg saying things like memory management is a non issue for anyone that has any idea at all how the hardware functions but he s totally off base people should know by now not to take anything he says seriously but apparently some don t so i ll rebut not surprisingly the rebuttal requires many more words than the original stupid errors in detail he wrote could it be after NUMBER years without this feature unix finally catches up to windows and has i o that doesnt sic totally suck for nontrivial apps no way unix acquired nonblocking i o in the form of select about NUMBER years ago and solaris has had the particular aio_ calls we are discussing for many years very few applications need the aio_ calls essentially only high performance rdbms servers even benefit from them at all and most of those have been faking it fine for a while with multiple threads or processes this just provides a modicum of extra performance ok so they do it with signals or a flag which is completely ghetto but at least they are trying keep trying guys you got the idea but not the clue readers can judge who lacks the clue here the windows i o model does definately sic blow the doors off the unix one but then they had select to point at in it s sic suckiness and anything would have been an improvement unix is just now looking at it s sic i o model and adapting to a multiprocess multithreaded world so it s gonna be years yet before a posix api comes out of it although i don t have a copy of the spec handy i think the aio_ apis come from the posix spec ieee std NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER section NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER which is NUMBER years old and which i think documented then current practice they might be even older than that unix has been multiprocess since NUMBER and most unix implementations have supported multithreading for a decade or more bottom line is the do stuff when something happens model turned out to be right and the unix look for something to do and keep looking till you find it no matter how many times you have to look is not really working so great anymore linux s aio_ routines can notify the process of their completion with a signal a feature missing in microsoft windows a signal causes the immediate execution of a signal handler in a process by contrast the microsoft windows mechanisms to do similar things such as completion ports do not deliver a notification until the process polls them i don t think signals are a better way to do things in this case although i haven t written any rdbmses myself but you got the technical descriptions of the two operating systems exactly backwards most programs that use linux real time signals for asynchronous network i o in fact block the signal in question and poll the signal queue in a very windowsish way using sigtimedwait or sigwaitinfo kragen pobox com kragen sitaker URL edsger wybe dijkstra died in august of NUMBER this is a terrible loss after which the world will never be the same URL adam l duncan beberg URL beberg URL

begin forwarded text from a guy who models plasma all day to r a hettinga rah shipwright com subject re electric car an edsel date tue NUMBER sep NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER bob this capacitor drive idea isn t completely stupid but neither is it well thought out maxwell www maxwell com makes and sells high energy density capacitors called ultracapacitors they deliver them in an air cooled voltage regulated module that will charge to NUMBER v and hold NUMBER kilojoules roughly the energy in NUMBER teaspoons of sugar or a bite of a donut and weighs NUMBER kilograms if that electrical energy could all be converted to kinetic energy there s enough to get the capacitor module up to about NUMBER mph in a vacuum suppose you take the entire power density of the capacitor module NUMBER NUMBER kw kg NUMBER hp kg and punch it through an electric motor how much does the NUMBER hp electric motor weigh if it were as little as NUMBER kg and i bet it isn t that capacitor and motor would have a top speed of NUMBER mph the speed at which their energy is the NUMBER kj that was initially stored electrically in the capacitor and it s not at all obvious that the torque vs speed characteristic of NUMBER v dc motors will support this or how they do it without wheels drive train etc but if they can they can only do it in a vacuum where there is no drag on to the lunarnationals or would you prefer the bite of donut somebody s sig original message from r a hettinga rah shipwright com to vinnie moscaritolo vinnie vmeng com randolph elliott elliott engineous com nicholasfc aol com duncan goldie scot dgs btinternet com g gruff g_gruff yahoo com michael frese numerex com sent monday september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm subject re electric car an edsel begin forwarded text status ro delivered to fork URL from adam l beberg beberg URL to rosso fork ordersomewherechaos com cc fork URL subject re electric car an edsel sender fork admin URL date mon NUMBER sep NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pdt on NUMBER sep NUMBER rosso wrote john waylan who was interviewed in wired a few years back pulled out a NUMBER NUMBER second run in the quarter mile NUMBERmph on a battery pack that hasn t been broken in yet he expects to break his record next year topping his NUMBER NUMBERsec NUMBERmph run a couple of years ago he s shooting for a NUMBER second run battery pack huh what you dont use batteries for a NUMBER NUMBER mile run you use capacitors many times the energy density and you can get the energy out fast enough note that the battery packs are fully swapped out for recharging after each run anyway just like a gas dragster is refueled so this wouldnt be cheating NUMBER mph should be no problem adam l duncan beberg URL beberg URL end forwarded text r a hettinga mailto rah ibuc com the internet bearer underwriting corporation URL NUMBER farquhar street boston ma NUMBER usa however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity predicting the end of the world has not been found agreeable to experience edward gibbon decline and fall of the roman empire end forwarded text r a hettinga mailto rah ibuc com the internet bearer underwriting corporation URL NUMBER farquhar street boston ma NUMBER usa however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity predicting the end of the world has not been found agreeable to experience edward gibbon decline and fall of the roman empire

at NUMBER NUMBER pm NUMBER on NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER russell turpin wrote of the NUMBER signers of the declaration of independence only two were in their twenties at the time their average age was forty five there were no teenagers fourteen were over fifty ben franklin was the oldest at seventy for the most part these were angry middle aged men i think it was george carlin who said something to the effect that young men in general are boring but around fifty men either have everything they ever wanted or have almost nothing of what they wanted either of which makes them behave quite interestingly cheers rah r a hettinga mailto rah ibuc com the internet bearer underwriting corporation URL NUMBER farquhar street boston ma NUMBER usa never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups george carlin

glad they finally figured this one out note the very careful wording so exhaust may be beneficial to ones health as long as you have a glass a day with some cheese interesting timing since NUMBER NUMBER truckers just lost their jobs and dont have to worry about death from this anymore adam l duncan beberg URL beberg URL epa diesel exhaust can cause cancer wed sep NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER am et by h josef hebert associated press writer washington ap inhaling diesel exhausts from large trucks and other sources over time can cause cancer in humans an environmental protection agency news web sites report concludes after a decade of study the epa finding released tuesday is expected to buttress the government s push to reduce truck tailpipe emissions by requiring cleaner burning engines and diesel fuel with ultra low sulfur content while acknowledging uncertainties about the long term health effects of exposure to diesel exhausts the epa report said studies involving both animal tests and occupational exposure suggest strong evidence of a cancer risk to humans it is reasonable to presume that the hazard extends to environmental exposure levels as well the report said the potential human health effects of diesel exhausts is persuasive even though assumptions and uncertainties are involved the report mirrors conclusions made previously in documents from various world health agencies and studies in california and is particularly significant because the epa is the federal agency that regulates diesel emissions under the clean air act some environmentalists have raised concerns recently that the bush administration might try to back away from a clinton era regulation that would establish tougher requirements on emissions from large trucks and a separate rule that virtually would eliminate sulfur from diesel fuel epa administrator christie whitman repeatedly has promised to go ahead with the tougher truck and diesel rules last month with white house approval the epa rebuffed attempts by some diesel engine manufacturers to postpone the requirements approving new penalties against manufacturers who fail to meet an october deadline for making cleaner burning truck engines the engine rule does not affect emissions from trucks already on the road although the separate regulation cutting the amount of sulfur in diesel fuel is expected to produce pollution reductions the epa s NUMBER page diesel health assessment did not attempt to estimate the probability of an individual getting cancer given certain exposure to diesel exhaust such a risk assessment is commonly made by the epa when gauging pollution health concerns but in this case the report said the exposure response data are considered too uncertain to produce a confident quantitative estimate of cancer risk to an individual nevertheless said the report the totality of evidence from human animal and other supporting studies suggests that diesel exhaust is likely to be carcinogenic to humans by inhalation and that this hazard applies to environmental exposure the report reiterated that environmental exposure to diesel exhausts poses short term health problems and in the long term has been shown to be a chronic respiratory hazard to humans contributing to increased asthma and other respiratory problems in some urban areas diesel exhausts account for as much as a quarter of the airborne microscopic soot the report said environmentalists welcomed the study as clear evidence that pollution needs to be curtailed not only from large trucks but also from off road diesel powered vehicles epa spokeswoman steffanie bell said the agency expects to publish a rule early next year dealing with those diesel exhaust sources which include farm tractors and construction equipment emily figdor of the u s public interest research group a private environmental organization said to reduce the public s exposure to harmful diesel emissions the bush administration should fully implement clean air standards for diesel trucks and buses and should pass equivalent standards for diesel construction and farm equipment allen schaeffer executive director of the industry group diesel technology forum said the epa s report focused on the past whereas the future is clean diesel diesel trucks and buses built today are more than eight times cleaner than just a dozen years ago the report acknowledged that its findings were based on emissions levels in the mid NUMBERs but said the results continued to be valid because the slow turnover of truck engines has kept many of these vehicles on the road

hindus mourn monkey god by omer farooq bbc reporter in hyderabad hundreds of people have attended the funeral of a monkey which became revered as a divine incarnation of a hindu god in the southern indian state of andhra pradesh the monkey was quite old and both its hind legs were paralysed animal rights campaigners say the monkey died of starvation and exhaustion after being trapped in a temple for a month by over zealous worshippers the animal was cremated in anantapur district NUMBER kilometres NUMBER miles south of the state capital hyderabad on sunday it had not eaten for three weeks last rites were performed by priests in the village of timmiganipally in the presence of hundreds of devotees who had come to believe that the monkey was a reincarnation of the hindu monkey god hanuman garlanded one animal rights activist said his group s efforts to save the monkey had failed because of the blind faith of the people the monkey s death came a day after he and others tried to move the animal out of the temple but were prevented by villagers the monkey which was found perched on top of an idol of hanuman a month ago attracted hundreds of devotees every day from surrounding villages as well as from the neighbouring state of karnataka devotees showered the monkey with fruit and flowers and worshipped it around the clock exploited locals said they believed that lord hanuman was visiting the village as the temple had stopped daily rituals after a dispute between two groups of residents but animal rights campaigners complained that the animal was being mistreated they filed a petition in the state s high court saying the monkey had been forcibly confined in the temple the group also alleged that people s religious feelings were being exploited to make money the court then ordered the local administration to rescue the monkey but villagers prevented officials from taking him for treatment in time

hindus got NUMBER billion gods so losing one is no big deal really its just sick that they killed an innocent animal which doesn t even know the concept of god sateesh tom tomwhore slack net wrote hindus mourn monkey god by omer farooq bbc reporter in hyderabad hundreds of people have attended the funeral of a monkey which became revered as a divine incarnation of a hindu god in the southern indian state of andhra pradesh the monkey was quite old and both its hind legs were paralysed animal rights campaigners say the monkey died of starvation and exhaustion after being trapped in a temple for a month by over zealous worshippers the animal was cremated in anantapur district NUMBER kilometres NUMBER miles south of the state capital hyderabad on sunday it had not eaten for three weeks last rites were performed by priests in the village of timmiganipally in the presence of hundreds of devotees who had come to believe that the monkey was a reincarnation of the hindu monkey god hanuman garlanded one animal rights activist said his group s efforts to save the monkey had failed because of the blind faith of the people the monkey s death came a day after he and others tried to move the animal out of the temple but were prevented by villagers the monkey which was found perched on top of an idol of hanuman a month ago attracted hundreds of devotees every day from surrounding villages as well as from the neighbouring state of karnataka devotees showered the monkey with fruit and flowers and worshipped it around the clock exploited locals said they believed that lord hanuman was visiting the village as the temple had stopped daily rituals after a dispute between two groups of residents but animal rights campaigners complained that the animal was being mistreated they filed a petition in the state s high court saying the monkey had been forcibly confined in the temple the group also alleged that people s religious feelings were being exploited to make money the court then ordered the local administration to rescue the monkey but villagers prevented officials from taking him for treatment in time __________________________________________________ do you yahoo yahoo finance get real time stock quotes URL

so like many young children my daughter tatum age NUMBER months really likes music she also likes to have control over her environment and this means she wants to be the one putting cds into the cd player and getting the music playing by watching tatum i ve discovered that you can learn a lot about ui design from watching NUMBER month olds use technology there is definitely a market niche for a toddler friendly cd mpNUMBER player the cd player we have combines play and pause in a single button but doesn t provide instantaneous feedback that the button was pushed instead requiring you to wait until the music starts NUMBER NUMBER seconds this is a ui disaster since tatum doesn t get feedback right away she presses the button again thereby pausing the cd before it even plays she ll only ever get music if she presses the button an odd number of times this happens a surprising amount of the time since she eventually hits the button again when the music doesn t play for toddlers pressing play must cause the music to start immediately within half a second for the toddler to get the causality and not press the button multiple times as well pressing the button multiple times shouldn t change the semantics like an elevator button no matter how many times you press the elevator still comes to that floor the play button needs to be the same the back hinged door mechanism feeding the cd into the player is also a ui disaster for tatum since the door hinges on the back tatum has to angle cds to put them in and take them out putting cds in isn t much of a problem but taking them out is since tatum grabs cds by the back edge that edge comes out first hitting the lid tatum eventually forces and wiggles the cd out a process that s hard on the cd and the player but which hasn t yet resulted in the cd player being broken surprisingly it hasn t been a problem getting the cd hole onto the spindle tatum seems to understand this concept and the cd load area geometry naturally guides the cd tatum s cd player also plays tapes and has fm radio for a toddler this is a mistake tatum doesn t understand the need to flick a switch to put the player into a specific mode she understands putting a cd in and pressing the play button she sometimes understands the buttons for advancing a song but uses them erratically as well the radio feature has both fm mono and fm stero a distinction totally lost on tatum tatum only understands the binary distinction of music no music what would the ideal toddler cd player be like it would immediately start playing a cd after it was loaded as soon as the cd load door was closed it would give some audible feedback it would have a single large play button the other typical cd controls would be larger than normal but at least half the size of the play button and located far away from the play button so there is no chance of them getting accidentally pressed on the way to play the play button would be a bright color that is different from the color of the player and different from the color of the other cd control keys the device would only play cds no other functions the cd load area would flip open at least NUMBER degrees it should be small approachable for a toddler it should be possible to repeatedly drop the player from a height of NUMBER NUMBER without affecting the player jim

our preschoolers NUMBER and NUMBER use winamp with a pokemon skin it s the NUMBER yr old who figured out he could put it into a sidebar menu so all he need do is click there to launch their favourite mpNUMBER playlist what we need is a good barely literate email program years ago the university of hawaii had a word processor that included a voice assist and also would pop up menus for common completions as words were typed even further back there was a dos shareware editor that did that latter function extremely well targetted at the handicapped with just those little bits of assists maybe some clever use of pictograms too i bet kindergarten kids could handle email gary lawrence murphy garym teledyn com teledynamics communications inc business advantage through community software URL computers are useless they can only give you answers pablo picasso

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shouldn t a politician know not to tell the truth odds he s impeached by next monday ob no clue how they remove mayors in italy ouch ouch ouch get sexier keep husbands mayor tells wives wed sep NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER am et missaglia italy reuters husband s eyes wandering make yourself sexier at least that s the solution proposed by an italian mayor and a woman mayor at that wives in the northern town of missaglia had complained to mayor marta casiraghi about a young woman who sunbathed topless on her terrace they complained that the men in the town of some NUMBER NUMBER people were spending too much time ogling so they asked casiraghi to order the woman to put her clothes back on but the mayor far from sympathizing told the wives to get sexy if they wanted to keep their men the girl was very pretty and was soaking up some sun topless sunbathing is largely tolerated and widespread nowadays there s nothing we can do casiraghi told il nuovo a web based newspaper instead i d advise the wives to play their rival at her own game make themselves more beautiful

jim whitehead wrote great this is half of what i d need to become spider man now all i need to figure out is how to do that spider web shooting thing heheheh so becomming a university professor was your second career choice seriously though or not as the case may be the amazing spiderman had many other abilities to help him out most notable perhaps was his spidey strength and spidey senses the strength to weight ratio of a spider is so high that spiderman is able to throw a bus several city blocks with little effort his endurance is similarly enhanced as well as for the spidey senses well they re really great but afaik not really well explained in the comic series spiders have multiple eyes ears noses and tongues which peter parker did not visibly have there have been a few attempts to explain his heightened reflexes from the biological to hidden methamphetamine use but none seem to do the spidey sense justice i seem to recall spiderman being able to detect the presence of well concealed weapons and even sense evil doers while they were in their street clothes perhaps the spidey senses are the result of some sort of quantum entanglement elias

snip misc rants about finding jobs java vs c what makes a good programmer etc snip okay hmm i thought twice about this but what the hey jobs are hard to come by there s a company hiring in mountain view looking for a few good hackers no java no gui not even c just c and linux and networking and good old stuff like that they just raised a wad of money and they re looking for a few really good programmers says the cto i know him very smart guy drives too fast though for what that s worth joe bob says check it out i d be happy to pass on your resume or you can send it straight to them probably won t matter if i pass it on since i don t know you guys anyway URL sherry original message from joseph s barrera iii mailto joe barrera org sent tuesday august NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER am to adam l beberg cc fork URL subject re java is for kiddies adam l beberg wrote forwarding me stuff from a list is hardly handing me a job i was talking about the open reqs at kana the company i work for oh but programming in java is beneath you nope just lacking years and years of it for some silly reason people always want things to be reliable fast and cross platform so all my employers have forced me to code in c c is more reliable than java as for cross platform c exists on more platforms but a java program is much easier to move from one platform to another so i m not sure what you mean i m not trying to fight a language war but i m puzzled by the depth of your anti java hatred i know lots of high school kiddies with plenty of java tho not having to teach people about pointers or optimization or anything shaves years off the coder boot time i ll send them your way when they graduate pointers so a language has to have pointers to be real and references don t count i gather what s so great about pointers why do you miss them if your doing embedded stuff fine yes you need the performance and control over memory that c provides probably but if your implementing tier n NUMBER of a tier n system and pounding against a database then java is often a very reasonable choice especially if you want that system to run without leaking memory optimization who says you can t optimize java i can and have and there are good tools that allow you to do it i use optimizeit but usually i find myself optimizing reducing database accesses instead i sped one part of the system up by a factor of ten by grouping more operations into fewer transactions but this is beside the point if you have decent c experience and have poked around in java you should be able to convince most employers that you can be trusted writing java that s what i did i mean i joined kana from microsoft and i didn t exactly write a lot of java code at microsoft i m not displeased you re trying to help just frustrated that employers can demand such rediculous combinations of skills with insane years of experience i don t think i ve ever interviewed at a place where i actually met all the prerequisites do you just give up when you don t interview tommorow with kodak doing i have no idea what as the recruiter isnt even sure but cross your fingers it wont require NUMBER years of java and NUMBER years of windows ia NUMBER s device driver experience both common requirements i wish you best of luck and i apologies for being a bitch but god damn you piss me off sometimes my son occasionally displays your can t do attitude and i do my damnest to get him to reverse course joe

someone needs to tell the mayor about this URL kinkily yours cindy on wed NUMBER sep NUMBER adam l beberg wrote shouldn t a politician know not to tell the truth odds he s impeached by next monday ob no clue how they remove mayors in italy ouch ouch ouch get sexier keep husbands mayor tells wives wed sep NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER am et missaglia italy reuters husband s eyes wandering make yourself sexier at least that s the solution proposed by an italian mayor and a woman mayor at that wives in the northern town of missaglia had complained to mayor marta casiraghi about a young woman who sunbathed topless on her terrace they complained that the men in the town of some NUMBER NUMBER people were spending too much time ogling so they asked casiraghi to order the woman to put her clothes back on but the mayor far from sympathizing told the wives to get sexy if they wanted to keep their men the girl was very pretty and was soaking up some sun topless sunbathing is largely tolerated and widespread nowadays there s nothing we can do casiraghi told il nuovo a web based newspaper instead i d advise the wives to play their rival at her own game make themselves more beautiful i don t take no stocks in mathematics anyway huckleberry finn

sl snip sl misc rants about finding jobs java vs c what makes a good programmer etc sl snip snip sl okay hmm i thought twice about this but what the hey jobs are hard to sl come by there s a company hiring in mountain view looking for a few good snip i give adam an hour or so to come up with an adequate number of excuses as to why this job isn t worth it go adam go

a groys gesheft zol er hobn mit shroyre vus er hot zol men bay im nit fregn un vos men fregt zol er nisht hobn and if that aint the truth nutin is

original message from jim whitehead ejw cse ucsc edu for toddlers pressing play must cause the music to start immediately within half a second for the toddler to get the causality and not press the button multiple times or some sound indicating that the music will start real soon now as well pressing the button multiple times shouldn t change the semantics like an elevator button no matter how many times you press the elevator still comes to that floor the play button needs to be the same idempotency everywhere you look what would the ideal toddler cd player be like it would immediately start playing a cd after it was loaded it d be an mpNUMBER player with solid state storage instant on

e elias sinderson elias cse ucsc edu writes e the strength to weight ratio of a spider is so high e that spiderman is able to throw a bus several city blocks with e little effort his endurance is similarly enhanced as well could this be as simple as a modified molecular structure where the humanoid cells are in fact exo skeletally structured with more atoms per cubic angstrom to achieve the distance squared tensile strength enhancements we find when we introduce smaller metal atoms between the lattice packed grid of iron atoms to create steel this steel effect might give bone structure and tendons dramatically several orders of magnitude more tensile strength without the need to significantly increase the weight like magnesium alloy or carbon fiber weight compared to iron spidey could even be way under weight only increasing tensile strength could accommodate the mobility and leverage feats since bones are actually formed from bubbles of organic material hydrolically assisted tensile strength cross sectionally would give his frame the strength to withstand the muscular enhancement e as for the spidey senses well they re really great but afaik e not really well explained in the comic series if the same close packing gap filling arachne molecular structure modification occurs in neural tissues and there d be no reason to think that these would grow differently from bones and tendons then what we are seeing in spidey sense is no more than the heightened cerebral functions due to shorter faster stronger synapses throughout the entire nervous system since we know dogs and cats measure human emotions by smell clearly hearing the heartbeats and other subtle clues within their normal sensory ranges but seem mystical to us for peter parker everything from air currents on his facial hairs to extremely subtle hormone smells might coallesce into a general gestalt of spidey sense don t forget that he d acquired this ability in adolescence and thus would lack any cultural or even pathological basis to explain the heightened awareness to himself in anything but mystical terms we know from issue NUMBER that his collision avoidance reflex response time was far swifter than his cognitive awareness since he found himself already stuck to the tree when the bicycle was already past and hence his disorientation you ok mister as if it was a hallucination hmmm it may even be physio psychologically interesting to examine if peter parker s personal quandries arose _because_ his physiological spidey infrastructure had been advanced whereas his psychological perception of his self had not ie peter was not spiderman but just the driver of the bus only unlike ourselves he found his self driving a body vehicle not evolutionarily matched to his cognitive time scales gary lawrence murphy garym teledyn com teledynamics communications inc business advantage through community software URL computers are useless they can only give you answers pablo picasso

mr fork writes jim whitehead writes for toddlers pressing play must cause the music to start immediately within half a second for the toddler to get the causality and not press the button multiple times or some sound indicating that the music will start real soon now a tonal countdown would be nice what would the ideal toddler cd player be like it would immediately start playing a cd after it was loaded it d be an mpNUMBER player with solid state storage instant on hmm seems like every cd player should include the capability to rip encode and cache the last few cds inserted playback would then never need to face seek delays after the initial ripping the only use of the laser pickup would be recognizing which cd is inserted which might be doable faster than a seek and start at first track operation you could also take the cd out while it is playing hmm if the cd is still in the cache maybe you don t even have to insert it or choose it from a step through ui instead you just wave it at an electronic eye of some sort and the player recognizes it from the silkscreening kids would like that play this they d say facing the cd at the player and the player would start immediately gordon

on wed NUMBER sep NUMBER gordon mohr wrote hmm seems like every cd player should include the capability to rip encode and cache the last few cds inserted there are companies doing just that but given the current state of the drm sceen and the litigiouness of the riaa who wants to go down like circus seals

on wed NUMBER sep NUMBER mr fork wrote it d be an mpNUMBER player with solid state storage instant on getting new media on is a bit out of the reach of the kindala with a cd solution you hand em a disc and in it goes tradeoffs abound heather got a cd player when she was NUMBER even though it was a crappy handmedown it worked great other than the batterys poping out bad bad ui there her next one was a store bought its an all audio player no mpNUMBER decoders for her yet i wanted to do the bottom line volt but momala put the kabash on anything costing over NUMBER bucks heck i had to scrounge ebay to get her a palm mNUMBER for about NUMBER bucks the only hitch is new music upshot is we spend time going over usenet listing togther its a happy family now for benjamin yea id love to have something like the amazingly cool fisher price my first cd casset vasectomy dirtybomb products perhaps the my first cd might work time to let ebay do the walking

jim whitehead ejw cse ucsc edu writes the cd player we have combines play and pause in a single button but doesn t provide instantaneous feedback that the button was pushed instead requiring you to wait until the music starts NUMBER NUMBER seconds this is a ui disaster since tatum doesn t get feedback right away she presses the button again thereby pausing the cd before it even plays she ll only ever get music if she presses the button an odd number of times this happens a surprising amount of the time since she eventually hits the button again when the music doesn t play nice to hear that somebody else does this too karl anderson kra URL URL

on wed NUMBER sep NUMBER tom wrote a groys gesheft zol er hobn mit shroyre vus er hot zol men bay im nit fregn un vos men fregt zol er nisht hobn and if that aint the truth nutin is a nice curse don t get shroyre though

bitbitch URL writes sl snip sl misc rants about finding jobs java vs c what makes a good programmer etc sl snip snip sl okay hmm i thought twice about this but what the hey jobs are hard to sl come by there s a company hiring in mountain view looking for a few good snip i give adam an hour or so to come up with an adequate number of excuses as to why this job isn t worth it URL along with your resume please answer this question what does this c statement do define xy s m s NUMBER m besides provide job security karl anderson kra URL URL

now for benjamin yea id love to have something like the amazingly cool fisher price my first cd casset vasectomy dirtybomb products perhaps the my first cd might work time to let ebay do the walking sony makes such a line of products my father was legendary for his abilty to break things his thumbs of death would rival anything a toddler could do to devices after countless numbers of walkman devices having their lids broken or buttons pressed into oblivion i found the sony devices i got him a my first sony be afraid of the marketing cd player it was fire engine red but was completely indestructible i hacked a headphone jack into it and gave it to him he complained of it s looks but used it nonetheless i also gave him a pack of headphones as there s no such things indestuctible headphones that aren t obscenely bulky now that we re riding up the curve of an ever increasing geezer population how soon before device makers get wise not to be morbid but would the marketing be my last sony ducks and runs bill kearney

eirikur said this incident is an interesting microcosm of how society and law develop the women of this town are attempting to regulate competition the social standards mechanisms i expect that shame has already been tried have failed so legal is next the point could also be to hassle the sunbather for reasons not given in the story the sunbather has probably pissed off the complainers in other ways too law and society are wholeheartedly trivial big fuzzy concepts like sluts vs moms are convenient vehicles for petty disputes as often as not lucas

original message from fork admin URL mailto fork admin URL on behalf of karl anderson sent thursday september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER am to bitbitch URL cc fork URL subject re re NUMBER java is for kiddies bitbitch URL writes sl snip sl misc rants about finding jobs java vs c what makes a good programmer etc sl snip snip sl okay hmm i thought twice about this but what the hey jobs are hard to sl come by there s a company hiring in mountain view looking for a few good snip i give adam an hour or so to come up with an adequate number of excuses as to why this job isn t worth it URL along with your resume please answer this question what does this c statement do define xy s m s NUMBER m besides provide job security this is more useful define containing_record address type field type pchar address pchar type NUMBER field bill

i dunno bb women who like to be thought of this way should have the right to choose to be treated this way men too ahem my boy cleans washes clothes cooks fixes stuff etc and works the same number of hours i do sometimes more if he has to catch up with me i close him because he is industrious and creative and because he unfailingly makes my bed the minute i get out of it and boy NUMBER will be here soon to help boy NUMBER with other things such as pedicures backrubs and sure fucking lol along with the aforementioned chores adam can have his cake and eat it too if he can only find the right girl who has the same beliefs about gender roles that he has of course he has no clue where to look so we will be constantly laughing at him while he stumbles around in the dark cindy p s the numbers do not in any way indicate importance or favor only the order in which they move into my house smiles at chris p s NUMBER i m moving going to new orleans can t handle any more cab driving the summer sucked here on the ms gulf coast instead of rocking like it normally does wish me luck i m going to look for another computer job le sigh on thu NUMBER sep NUMBER bitbitch URL wrote hello adam thursday september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm you wrote alb so you re saying that product bundling works good point sometimes i wish i was still in ca you deserve a good beating every so often anyone else want to do the honors alb and how is this any different from normal marriage exactly other then alb that the woman not only gets a man but one in a country where both she and alb her offspring will have actual opportunities oh and the lack of alb de feminized over sized self centered mercenary minded choices mmkay for the nth time adam we don t live in the land of adam fantasy women actually are allowed to do things productive independent and entirely free of their male counterparts they aren t forced to cook and clean and merely be sexual vessels sometimes and this will come as a shock to you no doubt men and women even find love which is the crucial distinction between this system and they marry one another for the satisfaction of being together i know far fetched and idealistically crazy as it is but such things do happen i can guarantee you if my mother was approached by my father and NUMBER years ago he commented on her cleaning ability as a motivator for marrying her we would not be having this conversation now if guys still have silly antequated ideas about women s role then their opportunities for finding women _will_ be scarce again these situations are great provided everyone is aware that the relationship is a contractual one he wants a maid a dog and a prostitute he doesn t have to pay and she wants a country that isn t impoverished and teeming with aids a contract versus a true love interest marriage egh i really need to stop analyzing your posts to this extent i blame law school and my cat bb alb adam l duncan beberg alb URL alb beberg URL i don t take no stocks in mathematics anyway huckleberry finn

it s a fair trade imo same for some mid east bloke who s dying to marry american so he can start his own business but bb is right when the thrill is gone she should take his shit lol cindydrinking on thu NUMBER sep NUMBER adam l beberg wrote on thu NUMBER sep NUMBER bitbitch URL wrote again these situations are great provided everyone is aware that the relationship is a contractual one he wants a maid a dog and a prostitute he doesn t have to pay and she wants a country that isn t impoverished and teeming with aids you assume that they just match people up and marry them off and neither is attracted to the other which is not the case even this has arranged marrage beat by a long way males gets a wife for a while and if they actually like each other for a long time female gets into britan out of a country with no real rights for women no opportunities for her or her children out of the polution aids and an uncountable number of scary tropical diseases not to mention in most cases living conditions that us spoiled americans cannot even comprehend yea the women is definately getting tha bad end of the deal here you re so easy to taunt adam l duncan beberg URL beberg URL i don t take no stocks in mathematics anyway huckleberry finn

someone has taken it mostly newtel users i think we can take the c i don t take no stocks in mathematics anyway huckleberry finn

adam beberg writes shouldn t a politician know not to tell the truth odds he s impeached by as the article you forwarded explained in the second line of text this politician is a woman next monday ob no clue how they remove mayors in italy ob no clue full stop as in nearly all adam beberg posts kragen pobox com kragen sitaker URL edsger wybe dijkstra died in august of NUMBER the world has lost a great man see URL and URL for details

on thu NUMBER sep NUMBER bitbitch URL wrote again these situations are great provided everyone is aware that the relationship is a contractual one he wants a maid a dog and a prostitute he doesn t have to pay and she wants a country that isn t impoverished and teeming with aids you assume that they just match people up and marry them off and neither is attracted to the other which is not the case even this has arranged marrage beat by a long way males gets a wife for a while and if they actually like each other for a long time female gets into britan out of a country with no real rights for women no opportunities for her or her children out of the polution aids and an uncountable number of scary tropical diseases not to mention in most cases living conditions that us spoiled americans cannot even comprehend yea the women is definately getting tha bad end of the deal here you re so easy to taunt adam l duncan beberg URL beberg URL

adam beberg writes on tue NUMBER sep NUMBER kragen sitaker wrote unix acquired nonblocking i o in the form of select about NUMBER years ago and solaris has had the particular aio_ calls we are discussing for many years select scaling is a joke at best and i know you know that poll is only a bit better not only do i know that the post to which you were responding explained that with somewhat more detail than a joke as you should know but evidently don t poll isn t even a bit better in fact it s about an order of magnitude worse for dense file descriptor sets which is the normal case except on operating systems where select isn t a system call but a library routine that calls poll very few applications need the aio_ calls essentially only high performance rdbms servers even benefit from them at all and most of those have been faking it fine for a while with multiple threads or processes this just provides a modicum of extra performance wrong it makes a huge difference in even what i consider small programs why don t you explain this in more detail although i don t have a copy of the spec handy i think the aio_ apis come from the posix spec ieee std NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER section NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER which is NUMBER years old and which i think documented then current practice they might be even older than that yes sgi has a patch to the linux kernel to implement the aio_ interfaces but it s still not built in who knows when it will be the point is it s not portable in either case you originally said could it be after NUMBER years without this feature unix finally catches up to windows and has i o that doesnt sic totally suck for nontrivial apps no way the point my point the point i was discussing please don t try to tell me you were trying to make a different point because i don t care is that you had no clue what you were talking about unix hasn t been without this feature and in fact has had it since you were in elementary school and operating systems without it don t totally suck for nontrivial apps for what it s worth glibc has actually implemented the aio_ calls for a while just in a way that doesn t scale to large numbers of concurrent i o requests i find references to the glibc implementation as far back as NUMBER and glibc NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER and i could probably find much earlier references if i had time URL more details at URL details on the sgi patch are at URL unix has been multiprocess since NUMBER and most unix implementations have supported multithreading for a decade or more and most unix is still kinda sorta supporting the pthreads posix interface each in their own NUMBER NUMBER implementation you re safe if you stick to the basics your original complaint was that unix didn t do multithreading or multiprogramming well now that i ve pointed out how obviously idiotic that claim is you ve amended your complaint now although individual unixes do these things well you complain that their implementations are not entirely conformant with the posix threads specification well that s probably true but i haven t written pthreads programs in c much myself so i can t confirm it from my own experience but even if it s true it s not a very good reason to prefer windows i m sure you can provide examples of bugs in particular threading implementations spare us just shut up kragen pobox com kragen sitaker URL edsger wybe dijkstra died in august of NUMBER the world has lost a great man see URL and URL for details

on thu NUMBER sep NUMBER bitbitch URL wrote yet another case where marriage is actually an inappropriate word for these guys what they want is housekeeper dog and prostitute so you re saying that product bundling works good point and how is this any different from normal marriage exactly other then that the woman not only gets a man but one in a country where both she and her offspring will have actual opportunities oh and the lack of de feminized over sized self centered mercenary minded choices adam l duncan beberg URL beberg URL

hello adam thursday september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm you wrote alb so you re saying that product bundling works good point sometimes i wish i was still in ca you deserve a good beating every so often anyone else want to do the honors alb and how is this any different from normal marriage exactly other then alb that the woman not only gets a man but one in a country where both she and alb her offspring will have actual opportunities oh and the lack of alb de feminized over sized self centered mercenary minded choices mmkay for the nth time adam we don t live in the land of adam fantasy women actually are allowed to do things productive independent and entirely free of their male counterparts they aren t forced to cook and clean and merely be sexual vessels sometimes and this will come as a shock to you no doubt men and women even find love which is the crucial distinction between this system and they marry one another for the satisfaction of being together i know far fetched and idealistically crazy as it is but such things do happen i can guarantee you if my mother was approached by my father and NUMBER years ago he commented on her cleaning ability as a motivator for marrying her we would not be having this conversation now if guys still have silly antequated ideas about women s role then their opportunities for finding women _will_ be scarce again these situations are great provided everyone is aware that the relationship is a contractual one he wants a maid a dog and a prostitute he doesn t have to pay and she wants a country that isn t impoverished and teeming with aids a contract versus a true love interest marriage egh i really need to stop analyzing your posts to this extent i blame law school and my cat bb alb adam l duncan beberg alb URL alb beberg URL best regards bitbitch mailto bitbitch URL

ah yes yet another case where marriage is actually an inappropriate word for these guys what they want is housekeeper dog and prostitute all i can say is i hope these girls come out take the men for what they have be glorified housekeepers for as short a term as possible and enjoy the free travel love my arse bb alb an alternative to the kind of de feminized over sized self centered alb mercenary minded lady available on the british singles scene alb glad to see american culture is making it s way into the british bars too alb god bless us uncivilized bastards every one alb still definately something not right about the below people are now alb cheaper then a decent laptop ok so we knew that already alb alb selling wedded bliss big business in thailand alb thu aug NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER am et alb by andrew marshall alb bangkok thailand reuters english dentist ken moylan came to thailand alb looking for a wife it took two hours to find her alb the first day i went out with wan she came back to my hotel and hung all alb my clothes up and tidied the room i thought it was marvelous he said i alb knew then there was something special alb moylan NUMBER is one of thousands of men who use introduction agencies to meet alb and marry thai women he lives in england now with NUMBER year old wan alb who is expecting their first child alb critics of marriage agencies say they exploit the grinding poverty of women alb in developing countries offering dreams of a new life in the west that alb often turn sour but moylan says he has no regrets about coming to thailand alb in search of a wife alb i got to thailand at NUMBER p m and by NUMBER p m i d met wan he said i knew i alb found her attractive i could tell straight away that she was very caring alb moylan spent a week in thailand and after returning to england kept in alb touch with wan by phone and mail six months later she came to england and alb the couple married alb mr marriage alb lawrence lynch NUMBER runs thai professional introduction services the agency alb moylan used to meet his wife lynch who calls himself mr marriage alb started the company after also marrying a thai woman through an introduction alb agency alb since then he has helped set up hundreds of marriages alb in the last five years we ve done about NUMBER he said to the best of my alb knowledge they have all been successful alb male clients pay NUMBER NUMBER for the service although men from countries that alb require them to handle some of the visa work on their own get a discount alb clients then get to view catalogs and videos of hundreds of thai women alb looking for a husband if they like what they see they come to bangkok alb clients are introduced to several women in chaperoned meetings in lynch s alb office encounters that can often be awkward given mutual shyness and alb language problems alb we find that the gentlemen are usually just as nervous as the ladies alb lynch said but once they start meeting the ladies they soon relax alb after the first meeting couples can decide to go on dates to get to know alb each other better within two weeks of arrival lynch says almost every alb client has found a potential wife alb at the end of a fortnight it s very very rare for a guy to go back and alb think he hasn t made his mind up he said in most cases marriage follows alb usually within the next year alb roongthip kamchat managing director of thai no NUMBER connections a alb bangkok based agency says she has introduced about NUMBER NUMBER couples and less alb than NUMBER percent have broken up alb roongthip says she sometimes has a difficult time calming men who have just alb arrived in bangkok looking for a wife alb sometimes they are very nervous she said and sometimes they are very alb impatient and say give me a lady i want to get married now i say calm alb down ok we ll talk alb but if men are really in a hurry roongthip says she can find them a wife alb and get them married within a week lynch says clients he has found wives alb for include a blind man a man with one leg and a man with post traumatic alb stress disorder alb why alb similar marriage agencies can be found in many developing countries critics alb say they thrive on the neediness of lonely western men who are unable to alb form relationships in their own country and on the desperation of alb impoverished women who believe they can find a better life in the west alb but moylan says that if the arrangement makes both partners happy there is alb no reason to object if you talk about people who are needy i think alb everybody wants someone to love them and wants someone to love so yes i alb need wan he said alb thai women are dissatisfied with life in thailand i think there s no alb secret there they are looking for a better life i don t have a problem alb with that in return they are willing to give a lot of love and care to alb their future husband alb lynch says men are dissatisfied with western women too and that is why they alb choose to use his agency alb his brochure promises an alternative to the kind of de feminized alb over sized self centered mercenary minded lady available on the british alb singles scene and says he can make dreams come true even for men who are alb not god s gift to women alb roongthip said many western men found it difficult to meet women in their alb own countries and found thai women attractive alb they don t know how to meet women even if they go to pubs or discotheques alb or restaurants or department stores how can they ask people to marry them alb impossible she said alb many thai girls are slim have long hair black eyes small nose they are alb good at taking care and joking and laughing not strict different from alb ladies from other countries alb although many couples married through agencies have a considerable age gap alb the agencies say this is not a problem they say language problems are also alb not a major obstacle alb thai ladies are not ageist and they have no qualms whatsoever about having alb a husband who is significantly older lynch said when i met my wife she alb couldn t speak a word of english we muddled along with a phonetic alb dictionary the ladies are very keen to learn english and they pick it up alb very quickly alb many agencies also offer tuition for woman on what to expect when they move alb to the west alb we have kitchens we have study classes roongthip said we teach them alb how to eat and when to make tea alb pitfalls alb but not all dreams come true bee is a NUMBER year old thai woman who went to alb switzerland two years ago with a man she met through an agency now she is alb back in bangkok sad and angry alb he had no friends and i was so lonely she said i tried to make him alb happy but he just wanted sex and somebody to keep his house clean he never alb spoke to me alb bee came back to bangkok earlier this year i thought i would be happy alb there she said but it was the worst time of my life alb lynch says that while some agencies are badly run he makes checks to ensure alb unsuitable candidates are weeded out alb we are ethical and professional he said we will not take on all alb comers alb moylan says that despite possible pitfalls his own marriage is proof the alb arrangement can work wan s sister has just signed up with lynch s company alb looking for a foreign husband alb perhaps there are cases of women being exploited i m sure there are alb moylan said but in the majority of cases the women get a good deal best regards bitbitch mailto bitbitch URL

ouch hooooo cheers rah begin forwarded text date thu NUMBER sep NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER from same guy subject re electric car an edsel to r a hettinga rah shipwright com bob this guy s an idiot i design loads for systems with the NUMBER kv capacitors one of those has NUMBER of such capacitors and stores only NUMBER megajoules which means NUMBER kilojoules each they weigh NUMBER kg you need high energy per unit mass and the capacitive system i picked maximizes that it is precisely the system that maxwell is touting for electrical braking and power augmentation for regenerative use in automobiles you also need voltage you can use in a dc motor which is why though the actual capacitors in the system are charged to NUMBER NUMBER volts the system has them arranged in series to boost the voltage ignore him he s a waste of my time somebody s sig from r a hettinga rah shipwright com subject re electric car an edsel date wed NUMBER sep NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER to some people begin forwarded text date wed NUMBER sep NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pdt from adam l beberg beberg URL to r a hettinga rah shipwright com cc fork spamassassin taint org subject re electric car an edsel on wed NUMBER sep NUMBER r a hettinga wrote maxwell www maxwell com makes and sells high energy density capacitors called ultracapacitors they deliver them in an air cooled voltage regulated module that will charge to NUMBER v and hold NUMBER kilojoules roughly the energy in NUMBER teaspoons of sugar or a bite of a donut and weighs NUMBER kilograms if that electrical energy could all be converted to kinetic energy there s enough to get the capacitor module up to about NUMBER mph in a vacuum since the energy you can pack into a capacitor is something like NUMBER NUMBER c v NUMBER you want to design your system with the lowest voltage possible to fully exploit that v NUMBER so yea a NUMBERv system will only be useful for accelerating insects not cars that must be why NUMBERkv is standard not NUMBER the joke of putting NUMBER into goggle to find that model was not missed btw most production systems use a mix of batteries and capacitors as very few real world applications run for less then NUMBER seconds like the car we were talking about originally even NUMBER seconds is pushing the capactior is the wrong choice limits thats why the landspeed record model is a battery one it s got to run for a much longer period of time and needs a steady discharge curve but it should be safe to say that most people want the indy NUMBER version not the NUMBER NUMBER mile sprint version when they are looking for a vehice for those you dont want a battery or a capacitor you want to take advantage of whole atoms not just electrons then you can suck off the electrons you need with a fuel cell however you will use both capacitors for the braking accel and batteries to not just dump excess energy in the design adam l duncan beberg URL beberg URL end forwarded text r a hettinga mailto rah ibuc com the internet bearer underwriting corporation URL NUMBER farquhar street boston ma NUMBER usa however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity predicting the end of the world has not been found agreeable to experience edward gibbon decline and fall of the roman empire end of original message end forwarded text r a hettinga mailto rah ibuc com the internet bearer underwriting corporation URL NUMBER farquhar street boston ma NUMBER usa however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity predicting the end of the world has not been found agreeable to experience edward gibbon decline and fall of the roman empire

an alternative to the kind of de feminized over sized self centered mercenary minded lady available on the british singles scene glad to see american culture is making it s way into the british bars too god bless us uncivilized bastards every one still definately something not right about the below people are now cheaper then a decent laptop ok so we knew that already selling wedded bliss big business in thailand thu aug NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER am et by andrew marshall bangkok thailand reuters english dentist ken moylan came to thailand looking for a wife it took two hours to find her the first day i went out with wan she came back to my hotel and hung all my clothes up and tidied the room i thought it was marvelous he said i knew then there was something special moylan NUMBER is one of thousands of men who use introduction agencies to meet and marry thai women he lives in england now with NUMBER year old wan who is expecting their first child critics of marriage agencies say they exploit the grinding poverty of women in developing countries offering dreams of a new life in the west that often turn sour but moylan says he has no regrets about coming to thailand in search of a wife i got to thailand at NUMBER p m and by NUMBER p m i d met wan he said i knew i found her attractive i could tell straight away that she was very caring moylan spent a week in thailand and after returning to england kept in touch with wan by phone and mail six months later she came to england and the couple married mr marriage lawrence lynch NUMBER runs thai professional introduction services the agency moylan used to meet his wife lynch who calls himself mr marriage started the company after also marrying a thai woman through an introduction agency since then he has helped set up hundreds of marriages in the last five years we ve done about NUMBER he said to the best of my knowledge they have all been successful male clients pay NUMBER NUMBER for the service although men from countries that require them to handle some of the visa work on their own get a discount clients then get to view catalogs and videos of hundreds of thai women looking for a husband if they like what they see they come to bangkok clients are introduced to several women in chaperoned meetings in lynch s office encounters that can often be awkward given mutual shyness and language problems we find that the gentlemen are usually just as nervous as the ladies lynch said but once they start meeting the ladies they soon relax after the first meeting couples can decide to go on dates to get to know each other better within two weeks of arrival lynch says almost every client has found a potential wife at the end of a fortnight it s very very rare for a guy to go back and think he hasn t made his mind up he said in most cases marriage follows usually within the next year roongthip kamchat managing director of thai no NUMBER connections a bangkok based agency says she has introduced about NUMBER NUMBER couples and less than NUMBER percent have broken up roongthip says she sometimes has a difficult time calming men who have just arrived in bangkok looking for a wife sometimes they are very nervous she said and sometimes they are very impatient and say give me a lady i want to get married now i say calm down ok we ll talk but if men are really in a hurry roongthip says she can find them a wife and get them married within a week lynch says clients he has found wives for include a blind man a man with one leg and a man with post traumatic stress disorder why similar marriage agencies can be found in many developing countries critics say they thrive on the neediness of lonely western men who are unable to form relationships in their own country and on the desperation of impoverished women who believe they can find a better life in the west but moylan says that if the arrangement makes both partners happy there is no reason to object if you talk about people who are needy i think everybody wants someone to love them and wants someone to love so yes i need wan he said thai women are dissatisfied with life in thailand i think there s no secret there they are looking for a better life i don t have a problem with that in return they are willing to give a lot of love and care to their future husband lynch says men are dissatisfied with western women too and that is why they choose to use his agency his brochure promises an alternative to the kind of de feminized over sized self centered mercenary minded lady available on the british singles scene and says he can make dreams come true even for men who are not god s gift to women roongthip said many western men found it difficult to meet women in their own countries and found thai women attractive they don t know how to meet women even if they go to pubs or discotheques or restaurants or department stores how can they ask people to marry them impossible she said many thai girls are slim have long hair black eyes small nose they are good at taking care and joking and laughing not strict different from ladies from other countries although many couples married through agencies have a considerable age gap the agencies say this is not a problem they say language problems are also not a major obstacle thai ladies are not ageist and they have no qualms whatsoever about having a husband who is significantly older lynch said when i met my wife she couldn t speak a word of english we muddled along with a phonetic dictionary the ladies are very keen to learn english and they pick it up very quickly many agencies also offer tuition for woman on what to expect when they move to the west we have kitchens we have study classes roongthip said we teach them how to eat and when to make tea pitfalls but not all dreams come true bee is a NUMBER year old thai woman who went to switzerland two years ago with a man she met through an agency now she is back in bangkok sad and angry he had no friends and i was so lonely she said i tried to make him happy but he just wanted sex and somebody to keep his house clean he never spoke to me bee came back to bangkok earlier this year i thought i would be happy there she said but it was the worst time of my life lynch says that while some agencies are badly run he makes checks to ensure unsuitable candidates are weeded out we are ethical and professional he said we will not take on all comers moylan says that despite possible pitfalls his own marriage is proof the arrangement can work wan s sister has just signed up with lynch s company looking for a foreign husband perhaps there are cases of women being exploited i m sure there are moylan said but in the majority of cases the women get a good deal

on thu NUMBER sep NUMBER bitbitch URL wrote if guys still have silly antequated ideas about women s role then their opportunities for finding women _will_ be scarce what is silly and antiquated depends a lot on which country you live in i don t have statistics on the love half life but it seems long term relationships use something else for glue clearly our non silly non antiquated ideas about relationships have resulted in mostly short duration relationships and single parented dysfunctional kids not enough of them too boot so to keep our demographics from completely keeling over we re importing them from places with mostly silly and antiquated ideas at least from the viewpoint of demographics sustainability and counterpressure to gerontocracy and resulting innovatiophobia we re doing something wrong maybe we should really go dirty tleilaxu all the way

i agree with rob i think if the phones and mms is building traction in europe in handsets this might be interesting bottom line is will it a help sell phones and b bill enough time on the wcarriers networks anyone remember the polariod photo sticker fad low quality small in size but kids totally dug that stuff seems like every adolescent girl had that stuff at one point and it never replaced or aimed to replace digital cameras or normal photographs i don t think mms photos will be a substitute for other photography developed at the local NUMBER hour joint or digital photos on your pc i think it expands the market and forms a new category the extent of the category size is the big question will it be a fad or will it a sustained market that s consumer behavior and marketing but i don t think the technology adoption will follow a substitution of another product on the market in this case digital photos or normal photos europe s the one to watch more teenagers have wireless phones and if the pricing and marketing is right they ll figure out what to do with it once the carriers how to figure out how to market it to them h from rob shavell rob mobiusvc com to mike masnick mike techdirt com cc fork URL subject re sprint delivers the next big thing date wed NUMBER aug NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER right mike i will agree to disagree but i take your comments to heart my opinion is only that this is one of the last frontiers of communications instant show that we cross easily though you are right as rain on pricing i am mildly amused at the level of skepticism and innatention it is getting my premise is that the world will change in dramatic and unexpected ways once there are a billion eye s which can instantly share what they see amongst each other that doesn t mean that people will stop talking on their phones or that people will spend more time w images than voice just that it is fundamental from news to crime to privacy to dating to family life to bloopers and practical jokes i believe there will be an explosion of images unleashed specifically by cell phone integrated lenses because of their utter ubiquity that dwarfs all pictures taken in the history of photography by orders of magnitude and in short order and yes changes things big time rgds rob original message from mike masnick mailto mike techdirt com sent tuesday august NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm to rob shavell cc fork URL subject re sprint delivers the next big thing not to keep harping on this but at NUMBER NUMBER pm NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER rob shavell wrote content who cares about content that no one can think of useful content is always the business persons mistake the content is the users communications its anything and everything avg person could easily send half dozen pics to a dozen people a day mainly humorous i d guess who cares if content is trivial in nature picture speaks a thousand words this does nothing to answer my question i do care about content hell if i could be convinced that people would send stupid pics back and forth all day i d have a different opinion of this i just am not convinced that they will stupid or not while a picture may be worth a thousand words and this is the same argument the guy who works for me made how many people do you know who communicate by pictures sure it sounds nice to say that a picture is such an efficient messaging mechanism but how often do you actually find yourself drawing someone a picture to explain something i don t buy it for most messages text works fine and is the most efficient mechanism for some messages pictures do the job but i would say not nearly as often as words why do you think pictionary and charades and such are games because images are usually not the most efficient way to get a message across misc ramblings i suppose you skeptical forkers would have said the same thing about NUMBER hour photo processing trivial who needs it i get better resultion elswhere and yet it had great decentralizing impact the plant had to be downsized and pushed to the retail operation the digital camera and finally the integrated digital camera phone brings this cycle of decentralization in photography to a logical conclusion which will put the photo giants to bed and change the world in a meaningful way also sms didn t take off because its easy it took off because it costs less its greatly ironic the carriers often trumpet the profitabilty of their sms traffic over others because of its ratio of cost to bandwidth in reality sms cannibilizes the voice rev s they bought their networks to handle again this is the same argument my colleague made along with you just don t understand kids today and they ll run with this i wasn t saying that mms wouldn t take off because it wasn t high quality or that it wasn t easy i was saying that i couldn t see why people would use it in a way that changed the face of communications i m looking for the compelling reason even if it s a stupid one why people would want to do this sure if they integrate cameras into the phone and the quality improves even only marginally i can certainly see people taking pictures with their cameras and occasionally sending them to other people but mostly i don t see what the benefit is to this over sending them to someone s email address or putting together an online or offline photoalbum i don t think NUMBER hour photos are trivial people want to see their own pics right away and the quality is plenty good enough for snapshots that s one of the main reasons why digital cameras are catching on the instant view part i m guessing your argument is that people not only want instant view but also instant show which is what this service offers i m not convinced that most people want instant show i think people like to package their pictures and show them that s why people put together fancy albums and sit there and force you to go through them while they explain every picture sure occasionally instant show is nice but it s just nice on occasion i still can t see how it becomes a integral messaging method what s the specific benefit of taking a picture and immediately sending it from one phone to another there has to be some benefit even if it s silly if people are going to flock to it i m searching no one has given me a straight answer yet the only really intriguing idea i ve heard about things like mms lately are dan gillmor s assertion that one day in the near future some news event will happen and a bunch of people will snap pictures with their mobile phones from all different angles and those photos tell the real story of what happened before the press even gets there willing to be proven wrong mike ps if the wireless carriers continue to price these services as stupidly as they currently are then mms is never going to catch on

lol they re not doomed at all thousands of men wear cbNUMBERs to work every day along with other chastity devices they are not just decorations you will not get a woody or have an orgasm until your keyholder allows you to anyhow i know better than to have this type of conversation with a nilla but these men wear these happily and consensually there is little power struggle in the lifestyles of the people who use these there is power exchange instead lots of variations on the definition but this one s from gloria brame s site power exchange the consensual transfer of power by the submissive to the dominant the exchange takes place when the returned energy from the dominant empowers the submissive anyhow there are tons of informative sites out there for anyone who cares to read them but i assure you the chastity device business is doing very well and it is illegal to force someone to wear one it s not coercion it is creative sensuality cindy on thu NUMBER sep NUMBER eirikur hallgrimsson wrote on wednesday NUMBER september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm cdale wrote someone needs to tell the mayor about this URL chastity technologies were doomed from the start and i ll add chemical ones to the trash heap yeah cindy these are decorative toys for the subculture but generally someone is attempting to preserve a relationship with this nonsense when quite plainly the the relationship is in a state where preserving it is of little value hardware is of no real use save for playing the power struggle game i don t want to see the future of this invisible fence for your mate must wear location transponders and endocrine monitors more movies like minority report it seems so automatic for people to reach for coercive solutions so surprizing given the low absolute effectiveness of coercion in the absense of overwhelming force advantage eirikur i don t take no stocks in mathematics anyway huckleberry finn

on wednesday NUMBER september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm cdale wrote someone needs to tell the mayor about this URL chastity technologies were doomed from the start and i ll add chemical ones to the trash heap yeah cindy these are decorative toys for the subculture but generally someone is attempting to preserve a relationship with this nonsense when quite plainly the the relationship is in a state where preserving it is of little value hardware is of no real use save for playing the power struggle game i don t want to see the future of this invisible fence for your mate must wear location transponders and endocrine monitors more movies like minority report it seems so automatic for people to reach for coercive solutions so surprizing given the low absolute effectiveness of coercion in the absense of overwhelming force advantage eirikur

on fri NUMBER sep NUMBER eugen leitl wrote on thu NUMBER sep NUMBER bitbitch URL wrote if guys still have silly antequated ideas about women s role then their opportunities for finding women _will_ be scarce what is silly and antiquated depends a lot on which country you live in it also depends on what the fad is or what is in style i don t have statistics on the love half life but it seems long term relationships use something else for glue clearly our non silly non antiquated ideas about relationships have resulted in mostly short duration relationships and single parented dysfunctional kids not enough of them too boot so to keep our demographics from completely keeling over we re importing them from places with mostly silly and antiquated ideas actualy our silly antiquated ideas about relationships and love have resulted in the bleedings of many upon many a page and musical instrumnet and canvas what s the problem if we dash a little mrs dash on them or cayenne or ginger mm ask me about ginger root play and let me tell you this just because a child happens to be single parented what a word does not mean that child is dysfunctional or lives in a dysfunctional home the govt media church has tried to make it look like there is a disintegration when in fact there is a coming together of other family members and friends to raise children it s not decaying it s changing nothing wrong with change at least from the viewpoint of demographics sustainability and counterpressure to gerontocracy and resulting innovatiophobia we re doing something wrong maybe we should really go dirty tleilaxu all the way maybe y all should buy m w some more bandwidth c i don t take no stocks in mathematics anyway huckleberry finn

this is preaty neat adam l duncan beberg URL beberg URL pitch dark bar opens for blind dates thu sep NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER am et berlin reuters diners at berlin s newest restaurant cannot see what they are eating and have to be guided to their table by blind waiters because the bar is pitch black the restaurant which opened wednesday aims to make guests concentrate on senses other than sight holding on to one another the first visitors followed waiter roland zimmermann NUMBER into the dining room although the phd student has been blind since childhood he is the only one able to point out chairs cutlery and drinks i m putting your plate right in front of you zimmermann said i can t find my mouth one voice replied out of the dark i wonder what this dish is lasagne or some casserole another invisible guest said in the unsicht bar which means invisible in german diners cannot choose complete dishes from the menu but can only indicate whether they would like a fish meat or vegetarian option we want people to have an extraordinary experience of tasting feeling and smelling said manfred scharbach head of the organization for blind and sight restricted people which is running the bar people are surprised that their tongues and taste senses are taking over and are sending signals which their eyes would normally have sent he added of the NUMBER staff NUMBER are blind an average meal lasts about three hours and the waiters are always around to help scharnbach said and at the end of the night they will even reveal what customers have actually been eating

on fri NUMBER sep NUMBER kragen sitaker wrote adam beberg writes shouldn t a politician know not to tell the truth odds he s impeached by as the article you forwarded explained in the second line of text this politician is a woman next monday ob no clue how they remove mayors in italy ob no clue full stop as in nearly all adam beberg posts posts or pouts in rare webster form c

i agree with rob i think if the phones and mms is building traction in europe in handsets this might be interesting bottom line is will it a help sell phones and b bill enough time on the wcarriers networks anyone remember the polariod photo sticker fad low quality small in size but kids totally dug that stuff seems like every adolescent girl had that stuff at one point and it never replaced or aimed to replace digital cameras or normal photographs i don t think mms photos will be a substitute for other photography developed at the local NUMBER hour joint or digital photos on your pc i think it expands the market and forms a new category the extent of the category size is the big question will it be a fad or will it a sustained market that s consumer behavior and marketing but i don t think the technology adoption will follow a substitution of another product on the market in this case digital photos or normal photos europe s the one to watch more teenagers have wireless phones and if the pricing and marketing is right they ll figure out what to do with it once the carriers how to figure out how to market it to them h from rob shavell rob mobiusvc com to mike masnick mike techdirt com cc fork URL subject re sprint delivers the next big thing date wed NUMBER aug NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER right mike i will agree to disagree but i take your comments to heart my opinion is only that this is one of the last frontiers of communications instant show that we cross easily though you are right as rain on pricing i am mildly amused at the level of skepticism and innatention it is getting my premise is that the world will change in dramatic and unexpected ways once there are a billion eye s which can instantly share what they see amongst each other that doesn t mean that people will stop talking on their phones or that people will spend more time w images than voice just that it is fundamental from news to crime to privacy to dating to family life to bloopers and practical jokes i believe there will be an explosion of images unleashed specifically by cell phone integrated lenses because of their utter ubiquity that dwarfs all pictures taken in the history of photography by orders of magnitude and in short order and yes changes things big time rgds rob original message from mike masnick mailto mike techdirt com sent tuesday august NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm to rob shavell cc fork URL subject re sprint delivers the next big thing not to keep harping on this but at NUMBER NUMBER pm NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER rob shavell wrote content who cares about content that no one can think of useful content is always the business persons mistake the content is the users communications its anything and everything avg person could easily send half dozen pics to a dozen people a day mainly humorous i d guess who cares if content is trivial in nature picture speaks a thousand words this does nothing to answer my question i do care about content hell if i could be convinced that people would send stupid pics back and forth all day i d have a different opinion of this i just am not convinced that they will stupid or not while a picture may be worth a thousand words and this is the same argument the guy who works for me made how many people do you know who communicate by pictures sure it sounds nice to say that a picture is such an efficient messaging mechanism but how often do you actually find yourself drawing someone a picture to explain something i don t buy it for most messages text works fine and is the most efficient mechanism for some messages pictures do the job but i would say not nearly as often as words why do you think pictionary and charades and such are games because images are usually not the most efficient way to get a message across misc ramblings i suppose you skeptical forkers would have said the same thing about NUMBER hour photo processing trivial who needs it i get better resultion elswhere and yet it had great decentralizing impact the plant had to be downsized and pushed to the retail operation the digital camera and finally the integrated digital camera phone brings this cycle of decentralization in photography to a logical conclusion which will put the photo giants to bed and change the world in a meaningful way also sms didn t take off because its easy it took off because it costs less its greatly ironic the carriers often trumpet the profitabilty of their sms traffic over others because of its ratio of cost to bandwidth in reality sms cannibilizes the voice rev s they bought their networks to handle again this is the same argument my colleague made along with you just don t understand kids today and they ll run with this i wasn t saying that mms wouldn t take off because it wasn t high quality or that it wasn t easy i was saying that i couldn t see why people would use it in a way that changed the face of communications i m looking for the compelling reason even if it s a stupid one why people would want to do this sure if they integrate cameras into the phone and the quality improves even only marginally i can certainly see people taking pictures with their cameras and occasionally sending them to other people but mostly i don t see what the benefit is to this over sending them to someone s email address or putting together an online or offline photoalbum i don t think NUMBER hour photos are trivial people want to see their own pics right away and the quality is plenty good enough for snapshots that s one of the main reasons why digital cameras are catching on the instant view part i m guessing your argument is that people not only want instant view but also instant show which is what this service offers i m not convinced that most people want instant show i think people like to package their pictures and show them that s why people put together fancy albums and sit there and force you to go through them while they explain every picture sure occasionally instant show is nice but it s just nice on occasion i still can t see how it becomes a integral messaging method what s the specific benefit of taking a picture and immediately sending it from one phone to another there has to be some benefit even if it s silly if people are going to flock to it i m searching no one has given me a straight answer yet the only really intriguing idea i ve heard about things like mms lately are dan gillmor s assertion that one day in the near future some news event will happen and a bunch of people will snap pictures with their mobile phones from all different angles and those photos tell the real story of what happened before the press even gets there willing to be proven wrong mike ps if the wireless carriers continue to price these services as stupidly as they currently are then mms is never going to catch on

on fri NUMBER sep NUMBER cdale wrote it also depends on what the fad is or what is in style dna s idea of fads is on the NUMBER kiloyear scale unfortunately as long as current fads don t involve in vivo rewrite of the genome homeoboxes including now there s a problem for you homeoboxing the adult they re not all that smart an idear actualy our silly antiquated ideas about relationships and love have resulted in the bleedings of many upon many a page and musical instrumnet and canvas what s the problem if we dash a little mrs art is sure nice however if art is our first priority we re kinda fuxNUMBERred if we ve set our sight on a sustainable culture dash on them or cayenne or ginger mm ask me about ginger root play and let me tell you this just because a child happens to be single parented what a word does not mean that child is dysfunctional or lives in a dysfunctional home the govt media church our firmware is not built to be single parented you can counteract that somewhat by exposing the kid to a community of close friends but not too many do that has tried to make it look like there is a disintegration when in fact there is a coming together of other family members and friends to raise children it s not decaying it s changing nothing wrong with change i don t know what exactly is wrong but something is definitely wrong this is way too important to be left to just our intuition of what is right and what is wrong at least from the viewpoint of demographics sustainability and counterpressure to gerontocracy and resulting innovatiophobia we re doing something wrong maybe we should really go dirty tleilaxu all the way maybe y all should buy m w some more bandwidth m w

these are being advertised all over the uk chief come on seems to be to the same people who use phones for text messaging i e teenagers hi we re at the beach and i met this awesome guy here s his pic tom

eugen leitl clearly our non silly non antiquated ideas about relationships have resulted in mostly short duration relationships and single parented dysfunctional kids don t swallow too quickly what you have read about more traditional cultures today or in the past do we have any statistics on the poor man s divorce from centuries past are you so sure that the kids in NUMBERth century england were any more functional than those today what about NUMBERth century saudi arabia at least from the viewpoint of demographics sustainability and counterpressure to gerontocracy and resulting innovatiophobia we re doing something wrong granting your first two points i m skeptical about the last do you see any signs that america specifically or the west generally are suffering from lack of innovation vis a vis youth nations such as iran the last i read the third generation of the revolution all a want to move to america and b failing that are importing everything they can american _________________________________________________________________ join the world s largest e mail service with msn hotmail URL

on fri NUMBER sep NUMBER russell turpin wrote don t swallow too quickly what you have read about more traditional cultures today or in the past do i don t swallow i was just offering anecdotal first hand experiences from a number of cultures indicating NUMBER we apparently have a problem NUMBER which requires more than ad hoc hand waving approach it s trivial it s obvious all we have to do is xy we have any statistics on the poor man s divorce from centuries past are you so sure that the kids in NUMBERth that s easy divorce didn t happen the church and the society looked after that only relatively recently that privilege was granted to kings and only very recently to commoners century england were any more functional than those today what about NUMBERth century saudi arabia is saudi arabia a meaningful emigration source at least from the viewpoint of demographics sustainability and counterpressure to gerontocracy and resulting innovatiophobia we re doing something wrong granting your first two points i m skeptical about the last do you see any signs that america specifically i wasn t talking about the us specifically though the demographics problem exists there as well albeit not in that extent we eurotrash are facing right now or the west generally are suffering from lack of innovation vis a vis youth nations such as iran the NUMBER i m seeing lack of innovation and more disturbing trend towards even less innovation by an autocatalytic process gerontocracy favors gerontocracy last i read the third generation of the revolution all a want to move to america and b failing that are importing everything they can american my point was that the west us first and foremost importing innovation carriers and working against bad trend in the demographics by large scale import while this kinda sorta works on the short run this is not something sustainable

hi all we re looking for an experienced it support person in the school of engineering at uc santa cruz please foward to anyone who you think might be interested jim original message from michael perrone mailto mperrone cs ucsc edu sent thursday september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm to techstaff URL subject recruiting for paiii iv supervisor dear soe community forgive the spam but i wanted to make sure that everyone is aware that we are recruiting to replace the position vacated by gary moro this is a technical position with supervisor responsibilities the focus is on solaris and linux systems administration with veritas and irix experience a plus the posting is here URL regards michael perrone

related anecdote i was eating in a restaurant in chinatown in boston the place was empty the only other customer was a white guy reading an asian language newspaper the guy asked the waiter for help translating a word eventually his story came out he had married an asian woman through one of these introduction services after about a year of marriage she had charged him with assault and left him leaving no contact information he was hanging around in chinatown asking random asians for help finding her i obviously don t know if he did assault her but what struck me was that the possibility of mutual exploitation is high anecdote number two in college i had a job as a street vendor there was a guy i worked with who was a lifer in the job he was a noticably messed up guy among other odd characteristics he fawned on women customers doing stuff like offering them flowers i asked him about it he said that he d never had sex with a woman who wasn t a prostitute and his dream was to save up enough money to get a mail order bride i was really moved the guy was a loon but he wanted a companion as much as anyone else and he was realistic about his chances

from the hoax or hack dept digital needle a virtual gramophone a reported method to scan yourr old lps on a flat bed scanner and then use the resulting images to make mpNUMBER s of the fine playing conatined therein its all still sketchy to the point of possible hoaxdom but the idea is dang interesting URL

turpin do we have any statistics on the poor man s divorce from centuries past eugen leitl that s easy divorce didn t happen you seem not to know what a poor man s divorce is it is an old term from the time when divorce was difficult but walking was easy and identity was not so locked down as it is today not every widow had a dead husband i m seeing lack of innovation that doesn t tell us anything except what is happening in eugen leitl s life the more common observation is that the rate of change is increasing do you have any data that might persuade us that what you see is more telling than what others see gerontocracy favors gerontocracy i would have thought that gerontocracy favors biotech research and plenty of young workers to pay taxes note that the fertility rate doesn t result from decisions made by the old but by the young if we want more kids we have to convince people who are in their twenties to become parents _________________________________________________________________ join the world s largest e mail service with msn hotmail URL

on fri NUMBER sep NUMBER russell turpin wrote you seem not to know what a poor man s divorce is i know very little in general i hope you can excuse me for that it is an old term from the time when divorce was difficult but walking was easy and identity was not so locked down as it is today not every widow had a dead husband yeah you could always run away strangle your wife your wife could always poison you scooby dooby doo it wasn t the rule and i don t feel like desintegrating into a nitpicking orgy you win i m seeing lack of innovation that doesn t tell us anything except what is happening in eugen leitl s life the more common yeah i happen to live in a small hole under the roots of an old oak tree you don t so innovation is a global phenomenon observation is that the rate of change is increasing do you have any data that might persuade us that what you see is more telling than what others see gerontocracy favors gerontocracy i would have thought that gerontocracy favors biotech research and plenty of young workers to pay taxes so thought i but apparently all it favours is a lot of whining about good old times the inability of youngn s to pay for your pension and the health insurance and the generic influx of uncouth furriners which must be stopped somehow note that the fertility rate doesn t result from decisions made by the old but by the young if we uh i m kinda aware of that want more kids we have to convince people who are in their twenties to become parents now we re talking got a plan

originally linked by dave s scripting news URL we ve got googlewhacking googlebombing and now we can add googlecooking to our lexicon my mother types whatever ingredients she has on hand into google and then picks the most appealing recipe returned in the results what a good idea jim

URL shows a picture of a wheel within a wheel galaxy the universe is a strange and wonderful place jim

on fri NUMBER sep NUMBER russell turpin wrote want more kids we have to convince people who are in their twenties to become parents hey give me a break i was working on finding the right mate once i did boomsky theres a puppy and if you would kindly not put on so much preasure there culd well be another NUMBER is a magic number yes it is its a magic number

clearly our non silly non antiquated ideas about relationships have resulted in mostly short duration relationships and single parented dysfunctional kids not enough of them too boot so to keep our demographics from completely keeling over we re importing them from places with mostly silly and antiquated ideas at least from the viewpoint of demographics sustainability and counterpressure to gerontocracy and resulting innovatiophobia we re doing something wrong there was a fascinating article in the economist NUMBER NUMBER weeks back the issue with a pregnant looking statue of liberty on the front that stated that even for the native us population fertility had jumped in the last decade and a half i think the current figure for the us is a little over NUMBER but not quite the NUMBER NUMBER of replacement rate combined with the very fertile non native population the article implied the us was going to have a significant increase in population over earlier predictions as well the population would overall be more youthful with associated implications for being able to fund social programs military spending consumer spending etc europe did not show the same increase in fertility some actual data for the us are here URL part of URL jim

in a slightly old news story it turns out the chinese government has banned all access to the google and altavista search engines URL URL URL URL the reason appears to be the google cache feature i can only imagine the internet archive will soon follow if it isn t already blocked seems that governments do have some power over the web after all jim

on fri NUMBER sep NUMBER jim whitehead wrote we ve got googlewhacking googlebombing and now we can add googlecooking to our lexicon my mother types whatever ingredients she has on hand into google and then picks the most appealing recipe returned in the results what a good idea dude this is at least two years old and probably older of course we had a more catchy phrase for it we call it iron chef google when the garden was in full bloom a few summers back dawn and i would google the ingrediants we just grew to come up with tasty recipes or more often ideas from recipes from which toi make our own fight the hypebuzzword war be an army of one tom iron che tempah wsmf

wrong vms like async io makes a huge difference in even what i consider small programs so it sounds as if to your thinking most useful apps are also trivial unless each key on my keyboard were to the apps distinct event sources i can t think of any of my usual job mix that would need hundreds or even tens of async requests perhaps you can explain how nontrivial apps will be compellingly useful but it s still not built in who knows when it will be the point is it s not portable in either case does that lack of portability imply it isn t generally useful when it was apparent that tcp networks were useful berkeley sockets could be found even on vms and win NUMBER NUMBER boxen why would early unix have run with the idea that if one wishes to do multiple things at the same time one can use a group of processes to do them they had multics as a counterexample in the days of tiny memories and tapes people were more accustomed to writing programs that didn t run entirely in a single address space one is a great number for an interface as log NUMBER is NUMBER and specification can be implicit some combination of the above now as hoare says there are two ways of constructing a software design one way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies and the other is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies as programmers we ve been able to make our lives complicated for at least half a century the hardware interrupt gives us the rope part of dijkstra s inspiration for the was the counterexample of ibm s multi programmed boxes were these the same ones that inspired mythical man month and i suppose he would say the question is how not to make a mess of it how should we structure computations so if we try to do ten times as many things at the same time reasoning about the resulting system is at most ten times more complex not one hundred and certainly not three and a half million times more compared to that project the prospect of writing a driver library for various vendors aio implementations seems to be truly trivial dave oracle in their quest for portability used to use raw disks for the database this finessed the filesystem issue did it also allow them to roll their own set of async drivers

on fri NUMBER sep NUMBER eugen leitl wrote on fri NUMBER sep NUMBER cdale wrote it also depends on what the fad is or what is in style dna s idea of fads is on the NUMBER kiloyear scale unfortunately as long as current fads don t involve in vivo rewrite of the genome homeoboxes including now there s a problem for you homeoboxing the adult they re not all that smart an idear i forgot what we were taking about actualy our silly antiquated ideas about relationships and love have resulted in the bleedings of many upon many a page and musical instrumnet and canvas what s the problem if we dash a little mrs art is sure nice however if art is our first priority we re kinda fuxNUMBERred if we ve set our sight on a sustainable culture nah didn t say art s our priority said our ideas about relationships and love are and let me tell you this just because a child happens to be single parented what a word does not mean that child is dysfunctional or lives in a dysfunctional home the govt media church our firmware is not built to be single parented you can counteract that somewhat by exposing the kid to a community of close friends but not too many do that i see it a lot in the south also family has tried to make it look like there is a disintegration when in fact there is a coming together of other family members and friends to raise children it s not decaying it s changing nothing wrong with change i don t know what exactly is wrong but something is definitely wrong this is way too important to be left to just our intuition of what is right and what is wrong one thing that s wrong is who some of us choose as babysitters too many kids are put in front of the television for hours each day to be influenced by what the media and government thinks is important i learned a long time ago that what they think is important and what is are two different things i threw the tv out when xi was NUMBER she s got her own place now and still doesn t have one yay another thing that s wrong is what goes on in public schools some allow a bit of individuality but only for a class or a short period of time depending on the teachers most of the time i dunno how many times i ve seen xi come home from school absolutely miserable or outraged about something that happened at school she made it to college though whew it s a big problem to tackle and i don t know the answer i like the idea of the voucher system because in a way it is a way parents can vote more efficiently for how their kids are taught at least from the viewpoint of demographics sustainability and counterpressure to gerontocracy and resulting innovatiophobia we re doing something wrong maybe we should really go dirty tleilaxu all the way maybe y all should buy m w some more bandwidth m w merriam webster c i don t take no stocks in mathematics anyway huckleberry finn

j jim whitehead ejw cse ucsc edu writes j seems that governments do have some power over the j web after all at the NUMBER itac roadwork conference peter mansbridge asked the panel of experts how it might be possible to censor the internet all of the panelists laughed except bill buxton peter asked him if he knew something the others didn t bill replied that it was possible to censor the internet which drew a gasp from the audience all you need is a global government more draconian than any that has occured before in history scientology dmca suits against norwegians legal riaa file trading virii bush s homeland insecurity canada using isps as spies riaa suing prodigy for pNUMBERp users and having foreign sites barred from the us france tempers yahoo china ip filters google seems bill didn t know much about how government really works either that or there s a smelly similarity between buxton s global big brother and the us and chinese gary lawrence murphy garym teledyn com teledynamics communications inc business advantage through community software URL computers are useless they can only give you answers pablo picasso

quitcherbraggin gg original message from fork admin URL mailto fork admin URL on behalf of cdale sent friday september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER am to bitbitch URL cc adam l beberg fork URL subject re NUMBER selling wedded bliss was re ouch i dunno bb women who like to be thought of this way should have the right to choose to be treated this way men too ahem my boy cleans washes clothes cooks fixes stuff etc and works the same number of hours i do sometimes more if he has to catch up with me i close him because he is industrious and creative and because he unfailingly makes my bed the minute i get out of it and boy NUMBER will be here soon to help boy NUMBER with other things such as pedicures backrubs and sure fucking lol along with the aforementioned chores adam can have his cake and eat it too if he can only find the right girl who has the same beliefs about gender roles that he has of course he has no clue where to look so we will be constantly laughing at him while he stumbles around in the dark cindy p s the numbers do not in any way indicate importance or favor only the order in which they move into my house smiles at chris p s NUMBER i m moving going to new orleans can t handle any more cab driving the summer sucked here on the ms gulf coast instead of rocking like it normally does wish me luck i m going to look for another computer job le sigh on thu NUMBER sep NUMBER bitbitch URL wrote hello adam thursday september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm you wrote alb so you re saying that product bundling works good point sometimes i wish i was still in ca you deserve a good beating every so often anyone else want to do the honors alb and how is this any different from normal marriage exactly other then alb that the woman not only gets a man but one in a country where both she and alb her offspring will have actual opportunities oh and the lack of alb de feminized over sized self centered mercenary minded choices mmkay for the nth time adam we don t live in the land of adam fantasy women actually are allowed to do things productive independent and entirely free of their male counterparts they aren t forced to cook and clean and merely be sexual vessels sometimes and this will come as a shock to you no doubt men and women even find love which is the crucial distinction between this system and they marry one another for the satisfaction of being together i know far fetched and idealistically crazy as it is but such things do happen i can guarantee you if my mother was approached by my father and NUMBER years ago he commented on her cleaning ability as a motivator for marrying her we would not be having this conversation now if guys still have silly antequated ideas about women s role then their opportunities for finding women _will_ be scarce again these situations are great provided everyone is aware that the relationship is a contractual one he wants a maid a dog and a prostitute he doesn t have to pay and she wants a country that isn t impoverished and teeming with aids a contract versus a true love interest marriage egh i really need to stop analyzing your posts to this extent i blame law school and my cat bb alb adam l duncan beberg alb URL alb beberg URL i don t take no stocks in mathematics anyway huckleberry finn

i recently stumbled across the contents of the journal electronic publishing which was published from january NUMBER through december NUMBER all papers are available online in pdf this was apparently one of the first journals to disseminate in pdf in NUMBER the journal also reprints some of the better papers from the electronic publishing conferences held bi yearly from NUMBER NUMBER epNUMBER epNUMBER epNUMBER epNUMBER URL today s reader might look at the contents and wonder about their relevance since they don t directly discuss the web as an academic i find this journal valuable since the papers are of generally high quality by top researchers and they provide lots of pointers to the evolution of the ideas that led to many web technologies it s one source among many for sifting through the intellectual lineage of electronic publishing technologies rohit and adam might find the following papers especially relevant in the context of their wwwNUMBER evolution of document species paper page description languages development implementation and standardization a l oakley and a c norris URL important papers in the history of document preparation systems basic sources richard k furuta URL excellent overview of sources several of the authors of papers in this journal are now involved in the acm document engineering conference series URL jim

why should i c on fri NUMBER sep NUMBER geege schuman wrote quitcherbraggin gg original message from fork admin URL mailto fork admin URL on behalf of cdale sent friday september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER am to bitbitch URL cc adam l beberg fork URL subject re NUMBER selling wedded bliss was re ouch i dunno bb women who like to be thought of this way should have the right to choose to be treated this way men too ahem my boy cleans washes clothes cooks fixes stuff etc and works the same number of hours i do sometimes more if he has to catch up with me i close him because he is industrious and creative and because he unfailingly makes my bed the minute i get out of it and boy NUMBER will be here soon to help boy NUMBER with other things such as pedicures backrubs and sure fucking lol along with the aforementioned chores adam can have his cake and eat it too if he can only find the right girl who has the same beliefs about gender roles that he has of course he has no clue where to look so we will be constantly laughing at him while he stumbles around in the dark cindy p s the numbers do not in any way indicate importance or favor only the order in which they move into my house smiles at chris p s NUMBER i m moving going to new orleans can t handle any more cab driving the summer sucked here on the ms gulf coast instead of rocking like it normally does wish me luck i m going to look for another computer job le sigh on thu NUMBER sep NUMBER bitbitch URL wrote hello adam thursday september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm you wrote alb so you re saying that product bundling works good point sometimes i wish i was still in ca you deserve a good beating every so often anyone else want to do the honors alb and how is this any different from normal marriage exactly other then alb that the woman not only gets a man but one in a country where both she and alb her offspring will have actual opportunities oh and the lack of alb de feminized over sized self centered mercenary minded choices mmkay for the nth time adam we don t live in the land of adam fantasy women actually are allowed to do things productive independent and entirely free of their male counterparts they aren t forced to cook and clean and merely be sexual vessels sometimes and this will come as a shock to you no doubt men and women even find love which is the crucial distinction between this system and they marry one another for the satisfaction of being together i know far fetched and idealistically crazy as it is but such things do happen i can guarantee you if my mother was approached by my father and NUMBER years ago he commented on her cleaning ability as a motivator for marrying her we would not be having this conversation now if guys still have silly antequated ideas about women s role then their opportunities for finding women _will_ be scarce again these situations are great provided everyone is aware that the relationship is a contractual one he wants a maid a dog and a prostitute he doesn t have to pay and she wants a country that isn t impoverished and teeming with aids a contract versus a true love interest marriage egh i really need to stop analyzing your posts to this extent i blame law school and my cat bb alb adam l duncan beberg alb URL alb beberg URL i don t take no stocks in mathematics anyway huckleberry finn i don t take no stocks in mathematics anyway huckleberry finn

on friday NUMBER september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER am eugen leitl wrote i don t know what exactly is wrong but something is definitely wrong this is way too important to be left to just our intuition of what is right and what is wrong this is one of those formally difficult points from a philosophy perspective you can t really throw out intuition and emotion because reason really only gets you answers that reflect the genome and the ancestral environment going forward requires creativity and experiment eirikur

if it s unwritten how m i supposed to know unless someone calls me up and tells me hint hint lol well i reckon it s a written rule now since it s on the internet in text format w your name attached but then again when have i ever followed any damned rules c on sat NUMBER sep NUMBER geege schuman wrote unwritten rule NUMBER gg original message from fork admin URL mailto fork admin URL on behalf of cdale sent friday september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm to geege schuman cc bitbitch URL adam l beberg fork URL subject re re NUMBER selling wedded bliss was re ouch why should i c on fri NUMBER sep NUMBER geege schuman wrote quitcherbraggin gg original message from fork admin URL mailto fork admin URL on behalf of cdale sent friday september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER am to bitbitch URL cc adam l beberg fork URL subject re NUMBER selling wedded bliss was re ouch i dunno bb women who like to be thought of this way should have the right to choose to be treated this way men too ahem my boy cleans washes clothes cooks fixes stuff etc and works the same number of hours i do sometimes more if he has to catch up with me i close him because he is industrious and creative and because he unfailingly makes my bed the minute i get out of it and boy NUMBER will be here soon to help boy NUMBER with other things such as pedicures backrubs and sure fucking lol along with the aforementioned chores adam can have his cake and eat it too if he can only find the right girl who has the same beliefs about gender roles that he has of course he has no clue where to look so we will be constantly laughing at him while he stumbles around in the dark cindy p s the numbers do not in any way indicate importance or favor only the order in which they move into my house smiles at chris p s NUMBER i m moving going to new orleans can t handle any more cab driving the summer sucked here on the ms gulf coast instead of rocking like it normally does wish me luck i m going to look for another computer job le sigh on thu NUMBER sep NUMBER bitbitch URL wrote hello adam thursday september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm you wrote alb so you re saying that product bundling works good point sometimes i wish i was still in ca you deserve a good beating every so often anyone else want to do the honors alb and how is this any different from normal marriage exactly other then alb that the woman not only gets a man but one in a country where both she and alb her offspring will have actual opportunities oh and the lack of alb de feminized over sized self centered mercenary minded choices mmkay for the nth time adam we don t live in the land of adam fantasy women actually are allowed to do things productive independent and entirely free of their male counterparts they aren t forced to cook and clean and merely be sexual vessels sometimes and this will come as a shock to you no doubt men and women even find love which is the crucial distinction between this system and they marry one another for the satisfaction of being together i know far fetched and idealistically crazy as it is but such things do happen i can guarantee you if my mother was approached by my father and NUMBER years ago he commented on her cleaning ability as a motivator for marrying her we would not be having this conversation now if guys still have silly antequated ideas about women s role then their opportunities for finding women _will_ be scarce again these situations are great provided everyone is aware that the relationship is a contractual one he wants a maid a dog and a prostitute he doesn t have to pay and she wants a country that isn t impoverished and teeming with aids a contract versus a true love interest marriage egh i really need to stop analyzing your posts to this extent i blame law school and my cat bb alb adam l duncan beberg alb URL alb beberg URL i don t take no stocks in mathematics anyway huckleberry finn i don t take no stocks in mathematics anyway huckleberry finn i don t take no stocks in mathematics anyway huckleberry finn

cdale urled thusly URL the assumption that females of all species tend to be less promiscuous than males simply does not fit the facts hrdy contended well duh it is perfectly obvious that heterosexual promiscuity is exactly precisely identical between males and females of course the shapes of the distributions may differ r

robert harley it is perfectly obvious that heterosexual promiscuity is exactly precisely identical between males and females yeah assuming approximately equal populations but that obscures the different modes of promiscuity both the person who gives sex for money or power or companionship and the person who uses money and power and companionship to get sex are promiscuous in the broadest sense of the word but their motives and behavior are quite different langur monkeys were the example in the cited article dominant males kill babies that are not their own the dominant male monkey seeks to defend his harem of females but cozying up to the current dominant male isn t the best strategy for female langurs because dominant males are dethroned by rivals every NUMBER months or so by mating with as many extra group males as possible female langurs ensure their offspring against infanticide by the male who is likely next to rule the roost maybe it s just me but that doesn t paint a picture of carefree females engaged in joyously promiscuous couplings the dom cab driver who is taking her two boy toys to new orleans is a better picture of that _________________________________________________________________ chat with friends online try msn messenger URL

unwritten rule NUMBER gg original message from fork admin URL mailto fork admin URL on behalf of cdale sent friday september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm to geege schuman cc bitbitch URL adam l beberg fork URL subject re re NUMBER selling wedded bliss was re ouch why should i c on fri NUMBER sep NUMBER geege schuman wrote quitcherbraggin gg original message from fork admin URL mailto fork admin URL on behalf of cdale sent friday september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER am to bitbitch URL cc adam l beberg fork URL subject re NUMBER selling wedded bliss was re ouch i dunno bb women who like to be thought of this way should have the right to choose to be treated this way men too ahem my boy cleans washes clothes cooks fixes stuff etc and works the same number of hours i do sometimes more if he has to catch up with me i close him because he is industrious and creative and because he unfailingly makes my bed the minute i get out of it and boy NUMBER will be here soon to help boy NUMBER with other things such as pedicures backrubs and sure fucking lol along with the aforementioned chores adam can have his cake and eat it too if he can only find the right girl who has the same beliefs about gender roles that he has of course he has no clue where to look so we will be constantly laughing at him while he stumbles around in the dark cindy p s the numbers do not in any way indicate importance or favor only the order in which they move into my house smiles at chris p s NUMBER i m moving going to new orleans can t handle any more cab driving the summer sucked here on the ms gulf coast instead of rocking like it normally does wish me luck i m going to look for another computer job le sigh on thu NUMBER sep NUMBER bitbitch URL wrote hello adam thursday september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm you wrote alb so you re saying that product bundling works good point sometimes i wish i was still in ca you deserve a good beating every so often anyone else want to do the honors alb and how is this any different from normal marriage exactly other then alb that the woman not only gets a man but one in a country where both she and alb her offspring will have actual opportunities oh and the lack of alb de feminized over sized self centered mercenary minded choices mmkay for the nth time adam we don t live in the land of adam fantasy women actually are allowed to do things productive independent and entirely free of their male counterparts they aren t forced to cook and clean and merely be sexual vessels sometimes and this will come as a shock to you no doubt men and women even find love which is the crucial distinction between this system and they marry one another for the satisfaction of being together i know far fetched and idealistically crazy as it is but such things do happen i can guarantee you if my mother was approached by my father and NUMBER years ago he commented on her cleaning ability as a motivator for marrying her we would not be having this conversation now if guys still have silly antequated ideas about women s role then their opportunities for finding women _will_ be scarce again these situations are great provided everyone is aware that the relationship is a contractual one he wants a maid a dog and a prostitute he doesn t have to pay and she wants a country that isn t impoverished and teeming with aids a contract versus a true love interest marriage egh i really need to stop analyzing your posts to this extent i blame law school and my cat bb alb adam l duncan beberg alb URL alb beberg URL i don t take no stocks in mathematics anyway huckleberry finn i don t take no stocks in mathematics anyway huckleberry finn

cdale is a double chocolate chip macadamia to my vanilla wafer wait maybe i m a ginger snap cough gg original message from fork admin URL mailto fork admin URL on behalf of russell turpin sent saturday september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER am to fork URL subject re selling wedded bliss was re ouch robert harley it is perfectly obvious that heterosexual promiscuity is exactly precisely identical between males and females yeah assuming approximately equal populations but that obscures the different modes of promiscuity both the person who gives sex for money or power or companionship and the person who uses money and power and companionship to get sex are promiscuous in the broadest sense of the word but their motives and behavior are quite different langur monkeys were the example in the cited article dominant males kill babies that are not their own the dominant male monkey seeks to defend his harem of females but cozying up to the current dominant male isn t the best strategy for female langurs because dominant males are dethroned by rivals every NUMBER months or so by mating with as many extra group males as possible female langurs ensure their offspring against infanticide by the male who is likely next to rule the roost maybe it s just me but that doesn t paint a picture of carefree females engaged in joyously promiscuous couplings the dom cab driver who is taking her two boy toys to new orleans is a better picture of that _________________________________________________________________ chat with friends online try msn messenger URL

hah i guess she doesn t want everyone to know about all the kinky sex she and i have had lol c on sat NUMBER sep NUMBER geege schuman wrote cdale is a double chocolate chip macadamia to my vanilla wafer wait maybe i m a ginger snap cough gg original message from fork admin URL mailto fork admin URL on behalf of russell turpin sent saturday september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER am to fork URL subject re selling wedded bliss was re ouch robert harley it is perfectly obvious that heterosexual promiscuity is exactly precisely identical between males and females yeah assuming approximately equal populations but that obscures the different modes of promiscuity both the person who gives sex for money or power or companionship and the person who uses money and power and companionship to get sex are promiscuous in the broadest sense of the word but their motives and behavior are quite different langur monkeys were the example in the cited article dominant males kill babies that are not their own the dominant male monkey seeks to defend his harem of females but cozying up to the current dominant male isn t the best strategy for female langurs because dominant males are dethroned by rivals every NUMBER months or so by mating with as many extra group males as possible female langurs ensure their offspring against infanticide by the male who is likely next to rule the roost maybe it s just me but that doesn t paint a picture of carefree females engaged in joyously promiscuous couplings the dom cab driver who is taking her two boy toys to new orleans is a better picture of that _________________________________________________________________ chat with friends online try msn messenger URL i don t take no stocks in mathematics anyway huckleberry finn

oh well uh thank you russell lol i think c on sat NUMBER sep NUMBER russell turpin wrote robert harley it is perfectly obvious that heterosexual promiscuity is exactly precisely identical between males and females yeah assuming approximately equal populations but that obscures the different modes of promiscuity both the person who gives sex for money or power or companionship and the person who uses money and power and companionship to get sex are promiscuous in the broadest sense of the word but their motives and behavior are quite different langur monkeys were the example in the cited article dominant males kill babies that are not their own the dominant male monkey seeks to defend his harem of females but cozying up to the current dominant male isn t the best strategy for female langurs because dominant males are dethroned by rivals every NUMBER months or so by mating with as many extra group males as possible female langurs ensure their offspring against infanticide by the male who is likely next to rule the roost maybe it s just me but that doesn t paint a picture of carefree females engaged in joyously promiscuous couplings the dom cab driver who is taking her two boy toys to new orleans is a better picture of that _________________________________________________________________ chat with friends online try msn messenger URL i don t take no stocks in mathematics anyway huckleberry finn

definitional nit to pick robert harley writes it is perfectly obvious that heterosexual promiscuity is exactly precisely identical between males and females of course the shapes of the distributions may differ you ve redefined promiscuity above as total or average activity which seems to rob it of its common meaning activity above some specific threshold usually one or norm or involving extra or indiscriminate variety promiscuity is thus inherently a description of distributions rather than averages consider a population of NUMBER males and NUMBER females let there be three pairings which result in each person having sex once then let one of the males also have sex with the other two females sure the average number of sex acts and sex partners is equal between the sexes tautologically but here more women than men are above the single partner threshold above the overall average NUMBER NUMBER acts partners threshold above the overall median NUMBER NUMBER acts partners above the overall mode NUMBER acts partners and here women have a higher mode NUMBER and median NUMBER number of partners so in this contrived population females are more promiscuous than males unless promiscuity is defined uselessly gordon

cdale i guess geege doesn t want everyone to know about all the kinky sex she and i have had yeah like i m going to believe that without seeing the photos next you ll be telling me that beberg found a job he likes _________________________________________________________________ join the world s largest e mail service with msn hotmail URL

intersectedness i d be surprised if beberg ever had a blowjob he liked i mean it would have involved others less evolved others gg original message from fork admin URL mailto fork admin URL on behalf of russell turpin sent saturday september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm to fork URL subject re selling wedded bliss was re ouch cdale i guess geege doesn t want everyone to know about all the kinky sex she and i have had yeah like i m going to believe that without seeing the photos next you ll be telling me that beberg found a job he likes _________________________________________________________________ join the world s largest e mail service with msn hotmail URL

today a french officer called michel fournier is supposed to get in a NUMBER metre tall helium balloon ride it up to the edge of space NUMBER km altitude and jump out his fall should last NUMBER NUMBER minutes and reach speeds of mach NUMBER NUMBER he hopes to open his parachute manually at the end although with an automatic backup if he is NUMBER seconds from the ground and still hasn t opened it r obquote veder si aver si grossi li coglioni come ha il re di franza let s see if i ve got as much balls as the king of france pope julius ii NUMBER january NUMBER

so uh would this qualify for the darwin awards if he doesn t make it freaking french people bb rh today a french officer called michel fournier is supposed to get in a rh NUMBER metre tall helium balloon ride it up to the edge of space NUMBER km rh altitude and jump out his fall should last NUMBER NUMBER minutes and reach rh speeds of mach NUMBER NUMBER he hopes to open his parachute manually at the rh end although with an automatic backup if he is NUMBER seconds from the rh ground and still hasn t opened it rh r rh obquote rh vederò si averò si grossi li coglioni come ha il re di franza rh let s see if i ve got as much balls as the king of france rh pope julius ii NUMBER january NUMBER best regards bitbitch mailto bitbitch URL

on NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER am gary lawrence murphy garym canada com wrote j if you want a region of the globe mapped out to a very j high resolution e g NUMBER meter they can scan the area with j aircraft lidar and add it to the database thereby making that j region zoomable to the resolution of the database for that j area can you give us an example of an application where NUMBER m resolution would be worth the considerable expense an example being able to model rf propagation in three dimensions for a metro area when deploying wireless networks by having every single tree and building detail and similar you can see even tiny dead spots due to physical blockage and signal attenuation overlay this with fiber map data for yourself and your competitors when you can glean such data which is also useful at this resolution and you have a very slick way of modeling existing network deployments in excruciating detail and optimizing further deployments to maximize coverage and bandwidth take that and tie it into a slick geo physically aware real time network monitoring and management system and you ve really got something for many applications though NUMBER meter data is probably adequate james rogers jamesr URL

robert harley gordon mohr wrote definitional nit to pick you ve redefined promiscuity above as total or average activity i think it s clear that i m talking about averages so i m not sure why that nit needs to be picked it was clear you were talking about averages but it should be equally clear that that isn t what people mean when they use the word promiscuity which seems to rob it of its common meaning activity above some specific threshold usually one in that case promiscous is a vacuous term in modern western societies but we knew that where people average NUMBER partners or so in their adult lives not at all there are still people who only have one partner there are many more whoe only have one partner over long periods of time so it is far from vacuous to describe some people as promiscuous and others as not promiscuous especially over a set period he was promiscuous in college he is no longer promiscuous the word has a clear meaning despite your continuing tendency to gloss that meaning over with population averages consider a population of NUMBER males and NUMBER females so in this contrived population females are more promiscuous than males so NUMBER girl gets NUMBER guy NUMBER girls get NUMBER guys NUMBER guys get NUMBER girl NUMBER guy gets NUMBER girls sounds like six of one versus half a dozen of the other to me ok then consider a population of NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER men each pair off with NUMBER NUMBER women then NUMBER man let s call him wilt also has sex with the other NUMBER NUMBER women NUMBER NUMBER women have had more than one partner NUMBER NUMBER men have only had one partner it is now perfectly obvious that in the common meaning of the term among this contrived population that women are more promiscuous than men even though the single most promiscuous person wilt is a man promiscuity is not exactly perfectly identical between males and females except under a degenerate custom definition of promiscuity unless promiscuity is defined uselessly ain t nothin useless about averages averages are useful sure but much more so if called by their actual name rather than conflated with another concept gordon

on sun NUMBER sep NUMBER gordon mohr wrote ok then consider a population of NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER men each pair off with NUMBER NUMBER women then NUMBER man let s call him wilt also has sex with the other NUMBER NUMBER women it is not uncommon to find gay males who had sex with several thousands partners there would be more in fact lots more probably but a lot of them have died don t have to be a callboy if considering that you can have intercourse with several partners in a single day in a bathouse it doesn t look particularly difficult to do clearly this is not something what hets do prostitution not taken into account

j james rogers jamesr best com writes j an example being able to model rf propagation in three j dimensions for a metro area when deploying wireless networks j by having every single tree and building detail and similar j you can see even tiny dead spots due to physical blockage and j signal attenuation hmmm just as i thought in other words it has no practical uses whatsoever do the biz guys in your office really think wisps are really going to shell out their money to find a house or two they can t reach experience suggests a they won t care and b they will even sign up that errant house and then give them a run around blaming the dead spot on unsupported vendor equipment thus yes it is cool expensive toy with no apparent function gary lawrence murphy garym teledyn com teledynamics communications inc business advantage through community software URL computers are useless they can only give you answers pablo picasso

on NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER am gary lawrence murphy garym canada com wrote j if you want a region of the globe mapped out to a very j high resolution e g NUMBER meter they can scan the area with j aircraft lidar and add it to the database thereby making that j region zoomable to the resolution of the database for that j area can you give us an example of an application where NUMBER m resolution would be worth the considerable expense planning battle tactics for this reason the intelligence press reports spy satellites have had NUMBER meter resolution for many years finding an individual vehicle in a city might occasionally be possible with NUMBER m images and might occasionally also be worth the money for small areas you have legitimate access to it s probably cheaper to go there with a digital camera and a gps and take some snapshots from ground level aerial photos might be cheaper for large areas areas where you re not allowed or perhaps physically able to go and cases where you don t have time to send a ground guy around the whole area kragen pobox com kragen sitaker URL edsger wybe dijkstra died in august of NUMBER the world has lost a great man see URL and URL for details