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if you re not in doolin beg borrow or steal your way there before the lbw folk depart it s far too much fun cheers waider just back waider URL yes it is very personal of me we are in fact well and truly doomed she says that if i leave now i can probably get a good head start before they realize that i m gone jamie zawinski irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

inn share s shareinnn yahoo com NUMBER lines of wisdom included hi all does anyone know how to list the biggest file in my root directory or the second biggest etc because i want to find out what is the reason cause my root all most full find dir name xargs du s sort n smallest files are listed first with the largest at the end so if you want to get the NUMBER largest files pipe through tail e g find dir name xargs du s sort n tail NUMBER philip reynolds rfc networks tel NUMBER NUMBER URL fax NUMBER NUMBER irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

philip reynolds wrote does anyone know how to list the biggest file in my root directory or the second biggest etc find dir name xargs du s sort n you might want to put a type f on that find paul irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

on tue NUMBER aug NUMBER david neary wrote actually the following would be in some way sensible echo e echo enc sed s NUMBER NUMBERa fa f NUMBER NUMBER x NUMBER g why NUMBER NUMBER why not NUMBER no idea the above was something along the lines i was attempting once i realised it was a straight swap but i couldnt get awk s gensub to insert the x for s and s anyway in the end i found something on the internet and adapted it function decode_url str hextab i c cNUMBER cNUMBER len code hex to dec lookup table hextab NUMBER NUMBER hextab NUMBER NUMBER hextab NUMBER NUMBER hextab NUMBER NUMBER hextab NUMBER NUMBER hextab a NUMBER hextab NUMBER NUMBER hextab b NUMBER hextab NUMBER NUMBER hextab c NUMBER hextab NUMBER NUMBER hextab d NUMBER hextab NUMBER NUMBER hextab e NUMBER hextab NUMBER NUMBER hextab f NUMBER decoded i NUMBER len length str while i len c substr str i NUMBER check for usual start of uri hex encoding chars if c c if i NUMBER len valid hex encoding cNUMBER toupper substr str i NUMBER NUMBER cNUMBER toupper substr str i NUMBER NUMBER if hextab cNUMBER hextab cNUMBER code NUMBER hextab cNUMBER NUMBER hextab cNUMBER NUMBER c sprintf c code i i NUMBER is space apparently else if c c decoded decoded c i return decoded cheers dave ps the late reply is because the footer on the original mail if you received this mail in error yadda yadda got caught in my spam filter and ended up in my junkmail directory he he might not have been the footer check my headers regards paul jakma paul URL paul URL key id NUMBERaNUMBERffNUMBERa warning do not ever send email to spam URL fortune one nuclear bomb can ruin your whole day irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

might just take a trip over there later tomorrow it is after all only on my backdoor step e original message from ilug admin URL mailto ilug admin URL on behalf of ronan waide sent NUMBER august NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER to ilug list subject ilug doolin if you re not in doolin beg borrow or steal your way there before the lbw folk depart it s far too much fun cheers waider just back waider URL yes it is very personal of me we are in fact well and truly doomed she says that if i leave now i can probably get a good head start before they realize that i m gone jamie zawinski irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

hi i ve got an normal NUMBER NUMBER cd rw ide drive that i d like to be able to use with a dell latitude cpx laptop that i ve got does anyone know any way to enable this for example through the use of a special cable for the modular bay where cd rom or floppy drive is normally there is also the possibility of using a docking station but dell s docking solution for the latitude series doesn t seem to allow for the use of an ide drive only scsi unless someone knows of a non dell solution that s compatible anyone any ideas thanks darren irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

darren kenny wrote hi i ve got an normal NUMBER NUMBER cd rw ide drive that i d like to be able to use with a dell latitude cpx laptop that i ve got does anyone know any way enable this for example through the use of a special cable for the modular bay where cd rom or floppy drive is normally there is absolutely no way to use a conventional NUMBER NUMBER drive with a laptop directly however you can get an external firewire or usb cradle and attach it to the laptop like that and any NUMBER NUMBER drive will work in that case example URL regards vin irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

philip reynolds wrote inn share s shareinnn yahoo com NUMBER lines of wisdom included hi all does anyone know how to list the biggest file in my root directory or the second biggest etc because i want to find out what is the reason cause my root all most full find dir name xargs du s sort n smallest files are listed first with the largest at the end so if you want to get the NUMBER largest files pipe through tail adding r to the sort options and piping through head instead might be a better idea tail needs to read teh whole buffer head only reads the first n lines cheers dave david neary marseille france e mail bolsh URL irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

on tue aug NUMBER NUMBER at NUMBER NUMBER NUMBERpm NUMBER vincent cunniffe mentioned there is absolutely no way to use a conventional NUMBER NUMBER drive with a laptop directly however you can get an external firewire or usb cradle and attach it to the laptop like that and any NUMBER NUMBER drive will work in that case ah they told me that about my aNUMBER just got a video box cut air holes and a hole for the cables then got an extra long NUMBER NUMBER to NUMBER NUMBER ide cable and connected it up had to make a few holes in the aNUMBER case for the ide cable too worked a charm until i dropped the disk one day onto concrete kate irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

ok iknow this is blatantly ot but i m beginning to go insane had an old dell dimension xps sitting in the corner and decided to put it to use i know it was working pre being stuck in the corner but when i plugged it in hit the power nothing happened i opened her up and had a look and say nothing much a little orange led comes on when i plug her in but that s it after some googling i found some reference to re seating all the parts but no change the problem i m having is that since the power supply is some dell specific one atx block with what looks like one of the old at power connectors i cant figure out weather this is a mobo prob or a psu prob just to futily try and drag this back ot i want to install linux on it when i get it working if anyone knows what the problem might be give me a shout cheers peter peter aherne software engineer motorola ireland ltd ph NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER mobile NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

john p looney wrote there is absolutely no way to use a conventional NUMBER NUMBER drive with a laptop directly ah they told me that about my aNUMBER worked a charm until i dropped the disk one day onto concrete go on tell them how long the first one lasted i vote external firewire if the laptop has the ports for it paul irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

i vote usb NUMBER NUMBER as the chances are the cdr drive is not over NUMBERx write and thus fireware is of no real use but i cant see how you are going to get it working without a cradle i cant even get my dell laptop dvd drive to work as the connectors are not the same as my cd drive ones seems dell cant keep any standards going original message from paul kelly mailto longword esatclear ie sent NUMBER august NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER to ilug URL subject re ilug using normal ide device with a dell latitude cpx laptop john p looney wrote there is absolutely no way to use a conventional NUMBER NUMBER drive with a laptop directly ah they told me that about my aNUMBER worked a charm until i dropped the disk one day onto concrete go on tell them how long the first one lasted i vote external firewire if the laptop has the ports for it paul irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL disclaimer the information in this message is confidential and may be legally privileged it is intended solely for the addressee access to this message by anyone else is unauthorised if you are not the intended recipient any disclosure copying or distribution of the message or any action or omission taken by you in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful please immediately contact the sender if you have received this message in error thank you irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

original message from aherne peter pahernNUMBER mailto peter aherne motorola com sent NUMBER august NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER to ilug URL subject ilug ot dell machine giving me hassle ok iknow this is blatantly ot but i m beginning to go insane had an old dell dimension xps sitting in the corner and decided to put it to use i know it was working pre being stuck in the corner but when i plugged it in hit the power nothing happened i opened her up and had a look and say nothing much a little orange led comes on when i plug her in but that s it after some googling i found some reference to re seating all the parts but no change the problem i m having is that since the power supply is some dell specific one atx block with what looks like one of the old at power connectors i cant figure out weather this is a mobo prob or a psu prob just to futily try and drag this back ot i want to install linux on it when i get it working if anyone knows what the problem might be give me a shout here is what you do remove all the pci isa eisa cards remove the floppy disk cable from the mobo the ide cables from the mobo essentially leaving only a video card ram and a keyboard plugged in turn on the system if it doesn t post then switch it off and remove the video card switch it back on if your mobo doesn t emit some beeps complaining about lack of video card then switch it off remove it s ram same procedure as above if you still don t have any kind of mobo beep codes then you can try as a last ditch effort to reseat the cpu remembering to never ever ever power up your system without a heatsink fan if after reseating the cpu into the mobo you still get no beep codes from it with just the cpu inserted into the mobo ie no pci isa cards or and no actual ide or floppy cables connected to the system even though you have power you either have a faulty motherboard or a faulty cpu once you get beep codes various permutations of the above should eventually disjunct which device it is is causing the lack of post power on self test bod irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

ok iknow this is blatantly ot but i m beginning to go insane had an old dell dimension xps sitting in the corner and decided to put it to use i know it was working pre being stuck in the corner but when i plugged it in hit the power nothing happened i opened her up and had a look and say nothing much a little orange led comes on when i plug her in but that s it after some googling i found some reference to re seating all the parts but no change the problem i m having is that since the power supply is some dell specific one atx block with what looks like one of the old at power connectors i cant figure out weather this is a mobo prob or a psu prob just to futily try and drag this back ot i want to install linux on it when i get it working if anyone knows what the problem might be give me a shout ie if you are getting a little orange led when you plug it in then your psu is probably working irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

john p looney wrote i ve two directories that once upon a time contained the same files now they don t is there a tool to merge the two create a new directory where if the files are the same they aren t changed if they are different the one with the most recent datestamp is used just for the record mc has a nice directory comparison function this is really nice when using the ftp vfs for e g of course if you use something like ftpfs you can use the previously mentioned tools pádraig irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

hello folks i m new to linux so here goes i ve been trying to get connected to the outside world through my modem i ve got debian with kernel NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER i ve got this win modem yes i know and managed to locate a proper driver for it minicom is very much able to dial out but there seems to be a problem with my pppd installation when i type ppp in the minicom terminal all i get after the initial info of my dynamic ip etc is a and then the no carrier signal then i looked into calling pppd directly using chat i used this command pppd call provider where provider is some script somewhere it dials it connects it sends my username password and when connection is established it gives the sighup signal and exits this is confirmed when me friend and i tried to connect through a serial port using pppd to connect ttysNUMBER i ran pppd waiting for a connection me friend tried connecting and as soon as he did pppd exited some expert help would be greatly appreciated as i m sick and tired of having to reboot get into windoze to hook up to the net and then back to linux mounting this drive to get that file etc it d be nice never have to go back to windoze except for games that is thanks a million carlos irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

paul jakma wrote on tue NUMBER aug NUMBER david neary wrote actually the following would be in some way sensible echo e echo enc sed s NUMBER NUMBERa fa f NUMBER NUMBER x NUMBER g why NUMBER NUMBER why not NUMBER the above was something along the lines i was attempting once i realised it was a straight swap but i couldnt get awk s gensub to insert the x for s and s perl s pack would do the job ps the late reply is because the footer on the original mail if you received this mail in error yadda yadda got caught in my spam filter and ended up in my junkmail directory might not have been the footer check my headers actually it was worse a bodycheck showed up a remove url i need a new spam filter but i want to be able to process false positives rather than dump them cheers dave david neary marseille france e mail bolsh URL irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

inn share wrote hi all does anyone know how to list the biggest file in my root directory or the second biggest etc because i want to find out what is the reason cause my root all most full the system is solaris NUMBER sparc thanks i think everybody has their own version of this but in case it s useful only tested on linux find type f o type l maxdepth NUMBER mindepth NUMBER printNUMBER xargs rNUMBER du b max depth NUMBER sort kNUMBERn grep v NUMBER pádraig irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

inn share shareinnn yahoo com writes hi all does anyone know how to list the biggest file in my root directory or the second biggest etc because i want to find out what is the reason cause my root all most full find xdev type f exec du sk sort rn head NUMBER xdev will stop find recursing into other filesystems cheers tiarnan tiarnán ó corráin consultant system administrator cmg wireless data solutions ltd tel NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER fax NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

david neary wrote padraig brady wrote paul jakma wrote chars in hex to plain ascii eg given http w NUMBER NUMBER NUMBEReo NUMBER NUMBER NUMBERf NUMBER NUMBERum n NUMBERt remove html is there an easy way to turn it into URL eg whether by piping through some already available tool or programmatically printf but i dont see how actually the following would be in some way sensible echo e echo enc sed s NUMBER NUMBERa fa f NUMBER NUMBER x NUMBER g why NUMBER NUMBER why not NUMBER me being silly that s all pádraig irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

i m not familiar with dell dimension xps and to be honest not familiar with any brand name computers most of my experience is china motherboards but i ve seen same behavior once changing the battery helps that time it was big round battery with panasonic on it computer starts beeping then we removed battery from mb it even booted up well loosing time and some other things just my NUMBER cents misha on wed NUMBER aug NUMBER aherne peter pahernNUMBER wrote ok iknow this is blatantly ot but i m beginning to go insane had an old dell dimension xps sitting in the corner and decided to put it to use snip irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

on fri aug NUMBER NUMBER at NUMBER NUMBER NUMBERam NUMBER padraig brady wrote probably a bit old NUMBER NUMBER and NUMBER NUMBER are out and i ve been told by a suse rep that NUMBER NUMBER will be out in october for those who are interested david irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

hi all i ve decided at last to test the alsa sound drivers as usual the result is that i ve spent much more time repackaging the darn thing than actually testing the functionalities or trying to hear the great sound quality people seem to think it outputs but hey some of you will benefit from that right i ve got the whole thing working on a valhalla system but the packages should easily install or at least recompile on enigma limbo null and maybe others who knows here are quick instructions for those of you that wish to try it out recompile the alsa driver source rpm for your running kernel you can install the binary package if you re using the iNUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER install this alsa driver package install the alsa libs package install the alsa utils package now go to this url and find out what you need to change in your etc modules conf file to replace the default oss driver loading URL very complete and very good documentation hopefully you ll see that your card is supported reboot or remove by hand your current sound modules you ll probably need to stop many applications to free the sound resource by hand and insert the new ones if all is well you ve got alsa working dmesg to check is a good idea you now just need to adjust the volume levels with e g aumix and alsamixer because everything is muted by default with aplay you can already test files to see if you hear anything you can also install the xmms plugin seems to make my xmms segfault on exit hmmm but maybe it s another plugin to listen to your good ol mpNUMBER files that s it it really isn t complicated and has never been from what i see the only thing i disliked was to have to install from source but as i can t imagine myself doing that i ve repackaged everything cleanly even the dev entries are included in the rpm package and not created by an ugly post script i insist and seamlessly integrate into the etc makedev d structure there are also a few other noticeable differences with the default provided alsa spec files for example i ve split alsa lib s development files into an alsa lib devel package and included static libraries there are others of course oh yes the kernel version against which the alsa driver package is compiled gets neatly integrated in the rpm release so does the architecture i m open to any comments or suggestions about these packages download URL current spec files URL URL URL all others patches etc URL matthias ps as an extra bonus i ve also recompiled xine with alsa support simply run xine a alsaNUMBER and off you go it may even support NUMBER NUMBER and s pdif clean custom red hat linux rpm packages URL red hat linux release NUMBER NUMBER valhalla running linux kernel NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER load NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER ac on line battery charging NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER _______________________________________________ rpm list mailing list rpm list freshrpms net URL

while i was playing with the past issues it annoyed me that there was no easy way to make the log stop growing i don t mean to truncate it i mean to just freeze it for a while the following patch adds a new button to the log window which allows the log to be switched on off the button says disable when the log is enabled and the button disables it and enable when the log is frozen and the button enables it again kre main tcl wed aug NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER usr local lib exmh NUMBER NUMBER main tcl wed aug NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER exmhlogcreate wm withdraw exmh logtop if exmh logwrite return if info exists exmh log catch exmh log insert end bw_delta NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER set exmh logwindow NUMBER exwin_toplevel log exmh log log set exmh logtop log set exmh logdisablebut widget_addbut exmh logtop but swap disable exmhlogtoggle set exmh logwrite NUMBER widget_addbut exmh logtop but trunc truncate exmhlogtrunc widget_addbut exmh logtop but save save to file exmhlogsave set exmh logyview NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER msg exmh_status cannot save log msg error proc exmhlogtoggle global exmh set exmh logwrite expr exmh logwrite exmh logdisablebut configure text lindex enable disable exmh logwrite misc _______________________________________________ exmh workers mailing list exmh workers URL URL

URL lima peru reuters lina medina s parents thought their NUMBER year old daughter had a huge abdominal tumor and when shamans in their remote village in peru s andes could find no cure her father carried her to hospital just over a month later she gave birth to a boy aged NUMBER years seven months and NUMBER days old when her child was born by caesarean section in may NUMBER medina made medical history and is still the youngest known mother in the world at the time peru s government promised aid that never materialized six decades on medina lives with her husband in a cramped house in a poor crime ridden district of the peruvian capital known as little chicago now NUMBER she keeps herself to herself and has long refused requests to rake up the past gerardo the son she delivered while still a child herself died in NUMBER at the age of NUMBER but a new book written by an obstetrician who has been interested in her case has drawn fresh attention to medina s story and raised the prospect that the peruvian government may belatedly offer her financial and other assistance the government condemned them to live in poverty in any other country they would be the objects of special care jose sandoval author of mother aged NUMBER told reuters we still have time to repair the damage done to her that s my fundamental objective he added totally willing to help sandoval has raised medina s case with the office of first lady eliane karp and has asked the government to grant her a life pension something officials say is possible we re totally willing to help her said spokeswoman marta castaneda but suni ramos of the social action department of karp s office said that before the government could grant her a pension or any other of the aid it was already planning such as kitchen and other household equipment it needed to talk to her to discuss what she wanted and needed it is currently trying to contact medina and her family medina s husband raul jurado told reuters his wife remained skeptical she got no help in NUMBER that i know about he said she thinks governments never deliver maybe today there will be a promise that will never come true jurado said his wife whose story is a medical textbook classic and whose case is confirmed as true by such bodies as the american college of obstetricians and gynecologists had turned down reuters request for an interview medical rarity no one has ever established who was the father of medina s child or confirmed she became pregnant after being raped one of nine children born to country folk in ticrapo an andean village at an altitude of NUMBER NUMBER feet NUMBER NUMBER meters in peru s poorest province medina is believed to be the youngest case of precocious puberty in history sandoval said he said she had her first period at NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER became pregnant aged NUMBER years and eight months and that when doctors performed the caesarean to deliver her baby they found she already had fully mature sexual organs her swelling stomach worried her parents they thought it was a tumor he said but shamans ruled out village superstitions including one in which locals believed a snake grew inside a person until it killed them and recommended they take her to hospital in the nearest big town pisco there came the staggering diagnosis that she was pregnant her father was jailed temporarily on suspicion of incest he was later released for lack of evidence and doctors police and even a film crew set off for her village for preliminary investigations into her case sandoval who based his book on media and other published information and some interviews with relatives as medina herself declined to comment said news of the child mother to be drew instant offers of aid including one worth NUMBER NUMBER from a u s businessman which was turned down more offers followed after medina was transferred to a lima hospital where her fully developed NUMBER pound NUMBER NUMBER kg baby was born on may NUMBER NUMBER mother s day one offer was worth NUMBER NUMBER a week plus expenses for medina and her baby to be exhibited at the world s fair in new york another from a u s business that the family accepted in early june NUMBER was for the pair to travel to the united states for scientists to study the case the offer included setting up a fund to ensure their lifelong financial comfort but within days the state trumped all previous offers decreeing that medina and her baby were in moral danger and resolving to set up a special commission to protect them but sandoval said it abandoned the case after six months it did absolutely nothing for them happy ending though physically mature medina who sandoval said was mentally normal and showed no other unusual medical symptoms still behaved like a child preferring to play with her dolls instead of the new baby who was fed by a wet nurse medina stayed in hospital for NUMBER months finally returning to her family after it began legal proceedings that led to a supreme court ruling allowing her to live with them again after taunting from schoolmates gerardo who was named after one of the doctors who attended medina and became their mentor discovered when he was NUMBER that the woman he had grown up believing to be his sister was in fact his mother he died in NUMBER from a disease that attacks the body s bone marrow but sandoval said it was not clear there was any link with his illness and the fact his mother had been so young medina married and in NUMBER had a second son NUMBER years after her first her second child now lives in mexico she appears to have turned her bizarre story into a taboo subject we just want to get on with our lives that s it said jurado adding he thought absolutely nothing of the fact his wife was the world s youngest mother he said the couple s main concern now if the government s offer of aid was genuine was to be granted the value of a property that belonged to medina and which the then government expropriated more than two decades ago that house has now been destroyed and there is a road on the site he said its value was more or less NUMBER NUMBER and settling the property question would conclude a long legal battle to get back a home of their own they live now in a modest house accessed down a dingy alley half blocked by a wooden board in a tough neighborhood known to locals as a thieves paradise if the government really wants to help they should give us the value of our property he said as for sandoval he said he was optimistic that medina s story which he has studied since his student days would turn out well i believe there will be a happy ending he said as a result of the war corporations have now been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the republic is destroyed abraham lincoln nov NUMBER NUMBER in a letter to 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barbara wrote pictish pictograms still undeciphered i d be interested in an update on the latest thinking on these things particularly the swimming elephant pictogram there s a book come out recently on the world s undeciphered scripts including linear a and etruscan has any list member read it yahoo groups sponsor NUMBER dvds free s p join now URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

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URL NUMBER NUMBERft lizard abandoned at resort holidaymakers at a seaside resort were stunned to find a NUMBER NUMBERft lizard sunning itself at a caravan park close to a beach the savannah monitor lizard was captured at chapel st leonards lincs on sunday by a member of the public before being collected by an rspca team rspca officer justin stubbs who took the lizard to a specialist carer said savannah monitors can give a nasty bite and we certainly wouldn t have wanted one loose in a busy holiday resort for long officials believe the animal may have been abandoned by a private owner because it has not been reported missing savannah monitor lizards originate in africa and are carnivorous eating rats and small rodents they can grow to NUMBERft in length anyone with information about the lizard can contact the rspca in confidence on NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER yahoo groups sponsor NUMBER dvds free s p join now URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

URL close encounter of burnt kind it came from outer space or did it teenager siobhan cowton is convinced the object which struck her as she climbed into the family car at her home in northallerton is extra terrestrial but while her claims are being treated with a certain amount of studied academic scepticism by experts in these matters the NUMBER year old schoolgirl is adamant she was hit on the foot by a meteorite siobhan initially thought there was a more prosaic explanation that the odd looking stone had been thrown at her by a child but on closer inspection she discovered all was not as it seemed because it was hot when she picked it up it hit her on a foot but caused no injury i looked at it again and it had a black and grey colour with a shiny bubble surface she said after closer inspection by her father niel and comparison with pictures on the internet siobhan plans to ask scientists at durham university to check the object for authenticity if it is from outer space siobhan says she will consider putting it up for auction she added if it isn t worth anything then i suppose i will keep it myself for sentimental value it is not every day that you are hit by a meteorite but dr ben horton a lecturer in physical geography was the acme of academic caution meteors have features that can be used to establish whether it is a piece of extraterrestrial rock he said they have a very smooth surface but sometimes they have shallow depressions and cavities if they are hot they should have a black ash like crust burnt around the edge most are between five and NUMBER centimetres but five centimetres is the smallest that they usually appear to establish the provenance of siobhan s suspected meteorite it would have to be subject to a mineral breakdown but dr horton thinks the chances of it being extra terrestrial are slim around NUMBER NUMBER a year strike the earth s surface and considering the size of the earth it is very unlikely to be a meteorite however there is a possibility and there is no reason it couldn t happen he added yahoo groups sponsor NUMBER dvds free s p join now URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

evening standard NUMBER august NUMBER deft use of fortean unit of measurement in NUMBERnd para ma lost penguins found alive by charles miranda a colony of emperor penguins which was thought to have starved to death in antarctica has been found alive in a big huddle the birds were spotted by the crew of a usaf jet returning to base in new zealand researchers had feared that a breakaway iceberg the size of jamaica had all but wiped out the colony at cape crozier on ross island thousands of chicks are believed to have died as an increase in sea ice made it impossible for the adults to find food a detailed count is planned in october antarctica new zealand chief executive lou sanson said the penguins were in a big huddle we can now hope that the emperors have had a successful breeding season over the winter some NUMBER NUMBER pairs of emperors the largest penguins in the world at NUMBER NUMBERft tall and NUMBERlb usually nest at cape crozier NUMBER miles from the us mcmurdo research station the NUMBER NUMBER strong adelie penguin colony which also nests at the cape may have lost up to third of its population yahoo groups sponsor NUMBER dvds free s p join now URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

hi some time now the following messages were haunting me automount NUMBER attempting to mount entry home dude it just came to my attention that only freshrpm benefitting hosts showed this up i grepped through the binaries and found referrences to home dude grep home dude usr bin binary file usr bin aaxine matches binary file usr bin gentoo matches binary file usr bin gphotoNUMBER matches binary file usr bin gtkam matches i am now relaxed again and pass this info on probably matthias saou himself is dude and some package has hardwired a path in his build directory it would be nice to find out which and fix it but i am using too many of the freshrpm suite to narrow it down regards axel axel thimm URL _______________________________________________ rpm list mailing list rpm list freshrpms net URL

URL big cats are on the loose in britain and breeding their way towards record numbers a monitoring group has claimed the british big cats society said it has received more than NUMBER reports of animals including pumas black panthers leopards and so called fen tigers over the past NUMBER months and while it admits that many sightings are of nothing more exotic than the average moggy it claims to have firm evidence that the majority are real society founder daniel bamping told bbc news online he could cope with the critics and doubters adding i was a sceptic i thought it was in the same realm as the loch ness monster but it s not they are really out there cats with cubs mr bamping said there have been reports of big cats from every corner of the country big cat reports hotspots include scotland and gloucestershire january NUMBER kent man clawed by suspected lynx november NUMBER farmer reports animals mauled by big cat april NUMBER lynx captured in north london NUMBER puma like cat attacks horse in wales this weekend alone i have had sightings from wales the scottish borders kent the west midlands devon somerset and wiltshire he said the society claims some of the big cats are breeding with domestic animals but mr bamping said others particularly lynx and puma probably exist in sufficient numbers to breed among themselves we have had sightings of cats with cubs he added trigger camera the society claims to have evidence proving the cats existence including photographs paw prints sheep kills and hair samples but it knows it will have to do even more to convince a sceptical public that it is not spinning them a shaggy cat story a national trigger camera project is planned which the society hopes will provide footage to prove the existence of the big cats mr bamping said the idea is that the cat will walk past the camera and take a picture of itself like dogs the society believes many of the sighting are of pets released into the wild or their descendants its spokesman danny nineham said in the NUMBERs and NUMBERs people had big cats like leopards as pets and they used to walk them like dogs but in NUMBER when the dangerous wild animals act came into force people released their cats because they did not want to pay for a licence put them down or take them to a zoo yahoo groups sponsor NUMBER dvds free s p join now URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

URL us soldiers on peacekeeping duties in the future could find that a portable translation device will be an essential part of their equipment scientists at carnegie mellon university have developed a prototype of a speech translator that was road tested by us army chaplains in croatia this project shows how a relatively simple speech to speech translation system can be rapidly and successfully constructed using today s tools said the team from carnegie mellon university in a research paper published recently the research was commissioned by the us army which is increasingly finding itself in peace keeping roles where communication is key speaking in tongues in the balkans the army is not just supposed to conquer somebody robert frederking of carnegie mellon university told the bbc programme go digital translators could be essential for us soldiers in a peacekeeping situation you have two guys trying to beat each other up and you are holding them apart you can t just shot one of them you have to figure what is going on and talk to them he said the portable translator was developed with a year using commercially available laptops the army did not want to field test the device in a battlefield situation so instead the translator was tested by us army chaplains in croatia the chaplains very often end up having to talk to foreign nationals and typically don t have any translation support explained mr frederking slow system for the trials the chaplains used the translator to speak to croatians who knew just a smattering of english the system works by having a speech recogniser that picks up the words in croatian turns the speech into text the written words are then translated into english and read out by a speech synthesizer it went reasonably well half the time said mr frederking though it was slow in translating phrases the research team admit that the system is not ready to be deployed in the field but they say their trials showed that a portable translator could be made to work with further research and development the audio voice translation guide system project was a joint venture between the us army the military manufacturer lockheed martin and carnegie mellon university yahoo groups sponsor receive phone calls and faxes while you re online emerson switchboard eliminates the need for a second phone line order the switchboard today for NUMBER NUMBER shipping and handling URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

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martin adamson wrote and we know how unbiased memri is don t we oh of course you re right any information not coming from a source that fits your pre conceived world view can simply be dismissed out of hand martin for goddess sake martin that seems to be exactly what you re doing you started your reply to tim s posting of the guardian article by suggesting that it was factually inaccurate did you actually read it or did you just assume that if the grauniad writes about a muslim extremist they must be making him out as an all round nice guy stewart stewart smith scottish microelectronics centre university of edinburgh URL yahoo groups sponsor NUMBER dvds free s p join now URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

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the latest URL friday NUMBER september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER gmt NUMBER NUMBER uk zimbabwe eases gm stance zimbabwe has dropped objections to accepting genetically modified gm grain so that urgently needed food aid can be delivered says the un food agency the executive director of the world food programme james morris said zimbabwe s decision would send an important message to other countries in the region which have refused food aid because it might contain gm grain until now zimbabwe had said it would only allow aid workers to distribute ground maize to allay fears that gm grain could be planted but a zimbabwean minister says the government has now set up a system of checks to ensure the grain will not enter the eco system there have been fears that southern african nations could lose lucrative export markets in europe if they cannot certify that their crops are gm free aid mr morris announced the policy reversal after talks in harare with zimbabwean president robert mugabe the fact that they have now concluded that they are comfortable in accepting gm crops or commodities will be an important signal to other countries in the region mr morris told journalists it will enable us to do our job he said aid workers say up to NUMBER million people in seven countries in southern africa face famine in zimbabwe which was once the bread basket of the region some six million people are estimated to need food aid the wfp says it already has aid pledges for about half of the NUMBER NUMBER tonnes of food it intends to bring into zimbabwe in the next few months the government blames the shortages solely on drought but the government s campaign to transfer land from large scale commercial white farmers has worsened the situation say many donors lost markets the gm row has complicated relief efforts across the region zambia s president is refusing to overturn his ban on gm food aid labelling it as poison deals to mill gm food before being distributed so that it could not be planted have placated fears in malawi and mozambique united states aid officials deny that the food is unsafe pointing out that americans eat gm maize every day the world health organisation has certified the grain for human consumption and says it does not constitute a danger to people s health yahoo groups sponsor looking for a more powerful website try geocities for NUMBER NUMBER per month register your domain name http your name com more storage no ads URL URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

near the end of his memoirs of extraordinary popular delusions and the madness of crowds NUMBER charles mackay discusses various catch phrases briefly popular in mid NUMBERth century london one of them he observes like a mushroom seems to have sprung up in the night or like a frog in cheapside to have come down in a sudden shower one day it was unheard unknown uninvented the next it pervaded london was like a frog in cheapside or something similar a catch phrase itself or did mackay come up with the simile on his own and to what event or events does it refer i didn t find anything relevant in partridge s a dictionary of catch phrases bc yahoo groups sponsor looking for a more powerful website try geocities for NUMBER NUMBER per month register your domain name http your name com more storage no ads URL URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

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the times september NUMBER NUMBER scissors are a snip for third world from richard owen in rome it is one of the unanswered questions of the past year what happens to the millions of nail scissors confiscated by airport security officials from passengers hand luggage most are thrown away or recycled after being seized as part of security measures since september NUMBER but an enterprising chaplain is sending them to catholic missionaries for distribution to third world hospitals and clinics in theory travellers who have left nail scissors nail files corkscrews or manicure sets from their hand luggage can arrange for them to be returned in practice many just shrug and leave the scissors by the x ray scanners father arturo rossini chaplain of malpensa airport in milan said that scissors were costly or unavailable in many parts of africa asia and latin america he told corriere della sera that he had plucked up the courage to ask the authorities if he could have the confiscated scissors with the help of a retired airport policeman he had packaged NUMBER NUMBER nail scissors and manicure sets using the airport chapel as a packing centre packages were shipped in aircraft holds to peru brasil india mozambique argentina zambia and kenya in such countries what we think of as a personal grooming accessory can be a vital tool the idea has been taken up at other italian airports yahoo groups sponsor plan to sell a home URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

zimbabwe has dropped objections to accepting genetically modified gm grain so that urgently needed food aid can be delivered says the un food agency yes confirming what i said in my last message ah i see where the problem lies you seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that zimbabwe and zambia are the same country martin yahoo groups sponsor sell a home for top URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

martin yes confirming what i said in my last message ah i see where the problem lies you seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that zimbabwe and zambia are the same country no that would be rather silly there are conflicting reports on whether zambia is prepared to accept milled gm grain or not and from reports from various sources considerable debate within that country there s complex issues not all of which can be dismissed by blaming those nasty environmentalists which was my original point timc yahoo groups sponsor NUMBER dvds free s p join now URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

the times september NUMBER NUMBER hitler style applicant welcomed by parties by roger boyes managers of germany s political parties are having difficulty explaining their enthusiastic reaction to a man who applied for membership with letters cribbed largely from mein kampf hitler s personal manifesto the incident illustrates how indiscriminate parties have become in taking on new members during an election campaign even when their sentiments bear a suspicious resemblance to those of the führer edmund stoiber is a thousand times more suited to leading germany than the present chancellor said one letter sent to the christian social union headquarters in ingolstadt chancellor schröder is doing nothing to stop the flood of foreigners who are spreading around our fatherland said the letter signed by a certain rudolph lewald the csu immediately spotted a potential member many thanks for your nice thoughts replied the local party manager who enclosed an application for membership the letter used chunks of hitler s book which is still banned in germany history students have to apply for access to the book in university libraries the strongest the brave and the hardworking will receive the birthright of existence only those who are born weaklings could regard this as offensive the letter writer said so called humanity is melting like snow in the march sun such phrases were lifted from mein kampf which was written while hitler was in jail after the failed munich putsch of NUMBER similar letters also using the nazi leader s words were sent to the other political parties and drew sympathetic responses i read your letter with great interest and pleasure the manager of the christian democratic union in cologne said great that you want to join us enthused the green party headquarters the free democrats invited the aspiring party member to a fundraising charity ball at which hans dietrich genscher the former foreign minister would be the star guest the social democrats sent a list of rallies to be attended by gerhard schröder the chancellor i wanted to test how serious parties are about combating right wing extremism said the letter writer who was in fact the cologne novelist rainer popp i had no idea that they would be so enthusiastic for the first few days i expected two men in leather coats from the special branch to knock on my door instead only the postman called with packets of election material from zealous political headquarters herr popp said i was stunned that political parties could react in this way i reckon i would have had the same response if i had signed the letter adolf hitler yahoo groups sponsor NUMBER dvds free s p join now URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

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quoting waider waider waider ie niall sheridan wrote a power cycle will do it other than that it s chipset specific sure tried powercycling an internal modem recently waider this is rick moen bait thanks it was delicious cheers that article and its poster have been cancelled rick moen david b o donnel sysadmin for america online rick URL irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

on NUMBER NUMBER thu sep NUMBER NUMBER at NUMBER NUMBER NUMBERpm NUMBER darragh wrote the help that i received today then though i tried to build them i started by trying the wNUMBER program i used the following lines which produced some strange results would any one be able to set me straight configure with emacs prefix usr local src beta wNUMBER exec prefix usr local src beta wNUMBER with url url url one thing i _think_ you might be doing slightly wrong is your specification of prefixes prefix is the directory to be used as root for _installing_ files typically packages use usr local as default so binaries might then go in usr local bin documentation in usr local doc and so forth normally i find it sufficient to put prefix usr local and do not further specify things like exec prefix maybe you have a special reason for using the prefixes you chose in which case ignore me that worked fine so i moved to the next step make at the bottem of the text i got the following messages cannot open load file url url url vars el make NUMBER custom load el error NUMBER make NUMBER leaving directory usr local src beta wNUMBER lisp make wNUMBER error NUMBER when i got around to trying the url package i had no problems in saying that this doesn t necessarily mean that i was doing it right so below are the commands i used configure with emacs prefix url url exec prefix url url i d make the same remarks about prefixes here i would use the command configure with emacs prefix usr local to get wNUMBER to compile i think the with url flag you should use is with url usr local share emacs site lisp assuming you compiled installed url with prefix usr local since you appear to have installed url in url url configure wNUMBER with configure with emacs prefix usr local with url url url share emacs site lisp a command you would have found useful would have been find name url vars el print which would have told you where the url vars el file was installed a program which is very useful is checkinstall URL it allows you to install packages from source while still registering them in the package management system of your distro rpm deb tgz instead of make install type checkinstall and a package is put together and installed for you makes uninstallation simpler than it might otherwise be michael conry ph NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER web URL key fingerprint NUMBER bNUMBER NUMBER NUMBERcNUMBER aNUMBER cbNUMBER NUMBERb NUMBER NUMBERde NUMBERc irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

hello all firstly i d like to thank all of you for the fast and very helpful feedback that i got to my question today i have one more question though i downloaded the wNUMBER and url files from the server at the first try thanks to the help that i received today then though i tried to build them i started by trying the wNUMBER program i used the following lines which produced some strange results would any one be able to set me straight configure with emacs prefix usr local src beta wNUMBER exec prefix usr local src beta wNUMBER with url url url that worked fine so i moved to the next step make at the bottem of the text i got the following messages cannot open load file url url url vars el make NUMBER custom load el error NUMBER make NUMBER leaving directory usr local src beta wNUMBER lisp make wNUMBER error NUMBER when i got around to trying the url package i had no problems in saying that this doesn t necessarily mean that i was doing it right so below are the commands i used configure with emacs prefix url url exec prefix url url followed by the commands make and make install there is no text files which contain help on installing the url package so i m not completely certain if i ve used the right method here thanks again darragh original message from hunt bryan b hunt emuse tech com to macarthy iol ie michael conry URL cc ilug URL sent thursday september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm subject ot re ilug newby to linux looking for information on cvs speaking of that ide weblogic developer the open source version called eclipse is free from URL if you are doing java development you need to get this ide i ve been using it for the last month and it is absolutly superb best thing about it is that rather than using swing which is crap is that they have their own native widget set called swt when you run it on windows it uses windows widgets but when you run it on linux it uses gtk you should see it on gnome NUMBER absolutely stunning b original message from justin maccarthy mailto macarthy iol ie sent NUMBER september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER to michael conry URL cc ilug URL subject re ilug newby to linux looking for information on cvs this is the best step by step guide to setting up cvs on redhat URL l NUMBER t gr it is for a particular ibm ide but the setup and testing of the server is the same for any cvs client both the using linux and linux in a nutshell book by oreilly have sections on cvs rcs and both books are a must buy for any linux newbie justin original message from ilug admin URL mailto ilug admin URL on behalf of michael conry sent NUMBER september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER to darragh cc ilug URL subject re ilug newby to linux looking for information on cvs on NUMBER NUMBER thu sep NUMBER NUMBER at NUMBER NUMBER NUMBERpm NUMBER darragh wrote hello i am very new to linux and need some help on a utility called cvs as far as i m aware its a similar protocol to ftp i need to use it to download a program from pserver anoncvs URL i am looking for information on how to use it i ll have another look at the man pages but i think i have to set it up before i can download anything cvs is really a very different kind of thing to ftp but the details of that statement are left as an exercise to the reader won t show up my own ignorance that way the application you want is cvsclient there is documentation here URL you might get a quick idea of how it works from here URL where he explains how to get cvs gnuplot the commands are export cvsroot pserver anonymous URL cvs login cvs zNUMBER checkout gnuplot something similar will probably do the job for you i m guessing the following might work export cvsroot pserver anoncvs URL cvs login cvs zNUMBER checkout wNUMBER m michael conry ph NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER web URL key fingerprint NUMBER bNUMBER NUMBER NUMBERcNUMBER aNUMBER cbNUMBER NUMBERb NUMBER NUMBERde NUMBERc irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

quoting kevin lyda kevin dated NUMBER eNUMBER ie suberic net anyone here have experience with windows cvs clients accessing a cvs server securely preferably using ssh of some form putty or cygwin s openssh port and the wincvs client here s something i cobbled together URL cheers i don t like country music but i don t mean to denigrate rick moen those who do and for the people who like country music rick URL denigrate means put down bob newhart irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

hello again i tried all the suggestions for the pctel driver and at the end of it everything still goes smoothly until i type make after i get the output from the configure however there were a couple of things i noticed along the way after typing cp configs kernel NUMBER NUMBER config config make oldconfig make dep the NUMBERnd to last line i got back said that the modversions h file was not updated when i looked at this path to the modversions h file it was NUMBER lines and every line started with a mark is it the case that nothing is read on a line after a mark or am i just thinking of another language and so should i delete the at certain places also when i was in the pctel directory and typed make i noticed that a different subdirectory is taken to a different modversions h file inside this other file there s nothing at all and so i moved the modversions h file with NUMBER lines to the empty modversions h file and got a different reply after make the output after i moved the file over mostly looked like this usr src linux NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER linux modversions h NUMBER NUMBER linux modules adb ver no such file or directory usr src linux NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER linux modversions h NUMBER NUMBER linux modules af_axNUMBER ver no such file or directory usr src linux NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER linux modversions h NUMBER NUMBER linux modules af_ipx ver no such file or directory the odd lines being the path and the first half of the other lines are what s written after the in the modversions h file should there be a file at each of these one at each of the NUMBER lines of the file that i d have to compile make it s taken plenty of elbow grease but i m glad it hasn t gone smoothly it s a good learning experience again any help is appreciated thanks eric _____________________________________________________________ email services provided by URL your source for alleycat and trackbike photos submissions welcome _____________________________________________________________ promote your group and strengthen ties to your members with email URL by URL URL irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

on NUMBER NUMBER thu sep NUMBER NUMBER at NUMBER NUMBER NUMBERpm NUMBER eric nichols wrote hello again i tried all the suggestions for the pctel driver and at the end of it everything still goes smoothly until i type make after i get the output from the configure however there were a couple of things i noticed along the way after typing cp configs kernel NUMBER NUMBER config config make oldconfig make dep the NUMBERnd to last line i got back said that the modversions h file was not updated when i looked at this path to the modversions h file it was NUMBER lines and every line started with a mark is it the case that nothing is read on a line after a mark or am i just thinking of another language and so should i delete the at certain places no that is appropriate content for the file i m not a c programmer but i think that these sort of things include blahblah are instructions to the compiler processed by a pre processor in the compile process and include all sorts of symbols functions e g include math h gives you maths type functions since they start with they are ignored in the final compilation regarding the rest of the compile process you need to tell the pctel software to look in the right place for the kernel headers source i recall from your previous mail that there was a flag with kernel includes usr src linux NUMBER NUMBER which could be passed to the configure script with the appropriate directory in place of usr src linux NUMBER NUMBER this might allow you to persuade the code to compile against the correct headers i think this is the right way to proceed alternatively maybe the steps above regarding make dep and so forth should have been performed in the directory where the make process is looking for modversions h co i don t think it is a good idea keep moving files into the directory as you describe below first of all you will move modversions h which you have done then you would have to move all those ver files after that there will almost certainly be a need for further header h files this could be quickly done but is probably bad those files don t really belong there for what it s worth i think you are very close to a successful compilation m also when i was in the pctel directory and typed make i noticed that a different subdirectory is taken to a different modversions h file inside this other file there s nothing at all and so i moved the modversions h file with NUMBER lines to the empty modversions h file and got a different reply after make the output after i moved the file over mostly looked like this usr src linux NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER linux modversions h NUMBER NUMBER linux modules adb ver no such file or directory usr src linux NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER linux modversions h NUMBER NUMBER linux modules af_axNUMBER ver no such file or directory usr src linux NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER linux modversions h NUMBER NUMBER linux modules af_ipx ver no such file or directory the odd lines being the path and the first half of the other lines are what s written after the in the modversions h file should there be a file at each of these one at each of the NUMBER lines of the file that i d have to compile make michael conry ph NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER web URL key fingerprint NUMBER bNUMBER NUMBER NUMBERcNUMBER aNUMBER cbNUMBER NUMBERb NUMBER NUMBERde NUMBERc irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

hi all i have a question which is a bit tricky and was wondering of anyone has come across this problem before or could point me in the right direction i am involved in porting a sco unix application to linux and we have encountered a problem with the way semaphores are being handled the application uses mulitple processes to run application code with the main process known as the bsh which controls all i o be it screen or file i o syncronisation is handled via semaphores in certain circumstances the main process and the application child process seem to lock up both waiting for the syncronisation semaphores to change state i have attached ddd to the processes and it seems that the semaphore code is doing the correct things for syncronisation but the processes stay stuck in the semop system call i have also noticed that if i introduce a slight delay between changing semaphore states the problem goes away but this causes our entire application to run really sloooww lol is there anything weird or different with the standard implemenation of semaphores on modern linux that could cause a semop to fail to pick up the change in state in a semaphore immediately setting sem_flg ipc_nowait and checking for errno eagain and recalling semop if the semop call fails NUMBER also fixes the problem but again system performance goes down the toilet both the parent controlling process run as the same uid and the parent creates the semaphores with permissions NUMBER any pointers would be appreciated rgds colin nevin __________________________________________________ do you yahoo everything you ll ever need on one web page from news and sport to email and music charts URL irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

take a look at URL andrey mailto andr URL bm does anyone do this already or is this a new concept or has this concept bm been discussed before and abandoned for some reasons that i don t yet know bm i use the physical architecture of a basic web application as an example in bm this post but this concept could of course be applied to most server bm systems it would allow for the hardware separation of volatile and bm non volatile disk images it would be analogous to performing nightly bm ghosting operations only it would be more efficient and involve less or bm no downtime bm thanks for any opinions bm ben

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URL the disappearing alliance by dale franks NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER for over two generations the countries of western europe have been our closest allies we stood beside each other through the darkest days of the cold war as partners in the north atlantic treaty organization we celebrated with them over the fall of the soviet empire and the liberation of eastern europe from the yoke of communism tragically a generation from now we may be bitter adversaries europe has increasingly fallen under the spell of a political ideology that hudson institute scholar john fonte has termed progressive transnationalism the key doctrines of this form of post communist progressivism contain some fairly pernicious ideas among these are the deconstruction of nationalism the promotion of post nationalist ideas of citizenship i e a global citizenry a redefinition of democracy and the pooling of national sovereignty into multinational groups such as the united nations the european union itself a multinational organization built through the pooling of sovereignty by european nations is post democratic while there is a european parliament the eu s power resides mainly in the unelected european commission ec and its unelected president who face few limits to their power instead of a limited consensual form of government where elected representatives promulgate constitutional laws the eu has an appointed oligarchic executive along with a large attendant bureaucracy whose orders are not constitutionally limited in any real sense moreover the eu has been unwilling to accept the democratically expressed wishes of the people themselves when those wishes conflict with the results desired by the eu s political elite both the ec and the european court of justice regularly overturn the national laws of democratically elected eu member governments this is a step backward in europe s political development european criticism of america is on the rise and the european list of complaints about america is a long and growing one they dislike the fact that our republican system of government is not based on proportional representation they hate the fact that our citizens own guns they despise the fact that we execute murderers they resent the fact that our economy is so large and that americans consume so much they also resent and fear the fact that we have the ability to project american power anywhere in the world on august NUMBER NUMBER adrian hamilton wrote a column in the uk s independent newspaper in which he identified the us as a rogue state who should be restrained perhaps by a european military invasion followed by a decade or so of occupation fortunately the article is satirical not because it exaggerates the way european progressives view the us but rather because the impotence of european military power makes the idea of an invasion of the us literally fantastic at least for now despite the tongue in cheek nature of this editorial however the fact remains that america is increasingly viewed this way by the european intellectual and political elite the europeans actively desire a world where the united nations keeps in check the activities of sovereign states because they have built such a system in europe they feel it s valid for the rest of the world america however is the biggest obstacle to such a system the europeans cannot understand why america places a higher value on the ethos of national sovereignty and limited consensual and constitutional government than it does on compliance with international norms they view all departures from such norms as aberrant because the un member states all have an equal vote in prescribing international norms they assume that since the process is ostensibly legitimate the results must be as well the trouble with this idea of course is that it gives the views of non democratic authoritarian states the same weight as those of free democratic societies it sanctifies the process with no regard to the actual results thus they are unable to make any moral distinction between the us refusals to join in a given international effort because we wish to preserve the liberty of our citizens and similar refusals from iraq because its dictator wishes to maintain his firm grip on power our repeated references to the us constitution and our unwillingness to bypass its provisions to comply with international norms are incomprehensible to them they assume therefore that our refusal is based on arrogance rather than on a commitment to constitutional rights none of this bodes well for the future of euro american friendship or cooperation if the europeans continue to reject traditional liberalism in favor of the new progressivism their criticism of the us will rise while their tolerance of our differences will fall obviously in such a political atmosphere the opportunities for conflict will inevitably increase that thought is frightening enough even more frightening however is the thought that such a conflict might be averted by our own acceptance of the new ideology of transnational progressivism r a hettinga mailto rah ibuc com the internet bearer underwriting corporation URL NUMBER farquhar street boston ma NUMBER usa however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity predicting the end of the world has not been found agreeable to experience edward gibbon decline and fall of the roman empire

ok lets break this down into the kevin smith worldview taht equate everything with star wars eu is the republic empire and we are what the trade federation stretch this out and it could be seen that the un is the jedi complete with faling powers work with me folks

so given the apparent commonality of these occurances companies appear to be losing a large amount of money by mailing these tiny checks out why can t they simply credit the account in question on the next bill granted if an account has been closed there is no such option elias christopher haun wrote eheh i ll do yah one better i have a check some place i just moved or i d go scan it in for NUMBER NUMBER from time warner cable

from fork admin URL mailto fork admin URL on behalf of r a hettinga subject the disappearing alliance URL the disappearing alliance by dale franks NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER obviously in such a political atmosphere the opportunities for conflict will inevitably increase given current trends particularly in demographics such conflict won t be military europe wouldn t stand a chance now and things are getting worse in a hurry they are sol not to mention that when push comes to shove they wouldn t stand united that thought is frightening enough even more frightening however is the thought that such a conflict might be averted by our own acceptance of the new ideology of transnational progressivism now that is a scary thought

i can t believe i actually read a laugh out loud funny profile of the fcc commissioner fer crissakes so the following article comes recommended a fine explanation of michael powell s extraordinary equivocation on the other hand i can also agree with werbach s werblog entry rohit a trip to f c c world nicholas lemann has a piece in the new yorker this week about fcc chairman michael powell it s one of the first articles i ve seen that captures some of powell s real personality and the way he s viewed in washington unfortunately lemann ends by endorsing conventional political wisdom after describing how powell isn t really a fire breathing ideological conservative he concludes that in essence powell favors the inumbent local bell telephone companies while a democratic fcc would favor new entrants i know that s not how powell sees the world and though i disagree with him on many issues i think he s right to resist the old dichotomy the telecom collapse should be a humbling experience for anyone who went through it the disaster wasn t the regulators fault as some conservatives argue but something clearly went horribly wrong and policy makers should learn from that experience contrary to lemann s speculation the upstart carriers won t be successful in a gore administration because it s too late virtually all of them are dead and wall street has turned off the capital tap for the foreseeable future some may survive but as small players rather than world dominators the battle between clecs and rbocs that lemann so astutely parodies is old news the next important battle in telecom will be between those who want to stay within the traditional boxes and those who use different models entirely that s why open broadband networks and open spectrum are so important whatever the regulatory environment there is going to be consolidation in telecom those left out in that consolidation will face increasing pressure to create new pipes into the home or slowly die the victors in the consolidation game will cut back on innovation and raise prices which will create further pressure for alternatives lemann is right that policy making looks much drier and more ambiguous on the ground than through the lens of history but he s wrong in thinking that telecom s future will be something like its past friday october NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER am comments NUMBER URL the chairman by nicholas lemann he s the other powell and no one is sure what he s up to new yorker october NUMBER NUMBER last year my middle son in eighth grade and encountering his first fairly serious american history course indignantly reported that the whole subject was incomprehensible i was shocked what about gettysburg and the declaration of independence and the selma to montgomery march just look at my textbook he said and when i did i saw his point his class had got up to the eighteen forties what i expected was a big beefing up of the roles of sacagawea and crispus attucks and in deed there was some of that but the main difference between my son s text and that of my own childhood was that somebody had made the disastrous decision to devote most of it to what had actually happened in american history there were pages and pages on tariffs and bank charters and reciprocal trade agreements i skipped ahead past the civil war hoping for easier going only to encounter currency floats and the regulation of freight rates only a few decades into the twentieth century did it become possible to see the federal government s main function as responding to dramatic crises and launching crusades for social justice instead of attempting to referee competing claims from economic interests even now if one were to reveal what really goes on behind the pretty speeches and the sanctimonious hearings in washington what you d find is thousands of lawyers and lobbyists madly vying for advantage not so much over the public as over each other agribusiness versus real estate banks versus insurance companies and so on the arena in which this competition mainly takes place is regulatory agencies and commissions and the congressional committees that supervise them it s an insider s game less because the players are secretive than because the public and the press encouraged by the players who speak in jargon can t get themselves interested one corner of washington might be called f c c world for the federal communications commission f c c world has perhaps five thousand denizens they work at the commission itself at the house and senate commerce committees and at the washington offices of the companies that the commission regulates they read communications daily subscription price NUMBER NUMBER a year and every year around christmastime they grumblingly attend the chairman s dinner at a washington hotel where the high point of the evening is a scripted supposedly self deprecating comedy routine by the commission s chairman of all the federal agencies and commissions the f c c is the one that americans ought to be most interested in after all it is involved with a business sector that accounts for about fifteen per cent of the american economy as well as important aspects of daily life telephone and television and radio and newspapers and the internet and right now f c c world is in if not a crisis at least a very soapy lather because a good portion of what the angry public thinks of as the corporate scandals concerns the economic collapse of companies regulated by the f c c qwest worldcom adelphia and global crossing among others are or were part of f c c world aol time warner is part of f c c world jack grubman the former salomon smith barney analyst who seems to have succeeded kenneth lay of enron as the embodiment of the corporate scandals is part of f c c world in the past two years companies belonging to f c c world have lost trillions of dollars in stock market valuation and have collectively served as a dead weight pulling down the entire stock market this year an alarmed and acerbic anonymous memorandum about the state of the f c c has been circulating widely within f c c world it evokes f c c world s feverish mood the f c c is fiddling while rome burns and suggests why nobody besides residents of f c c world has thought of the commission in connection with the corporate scandals the sentence i just quoted is followed by this explanation the ilecs appear likely to enter all l d markets within twelve months while losing virtually no residential customers to attackers since NUMBER and suffering about NUMBER market share loss in business lines to clecs it s a lot easier to think about evil c e o s than to decipher that even in good times f c c world pays obsessive attention to the commission s chairman in bad times the attention becomes especially intense and when the chairman is a celebrity f c c world devotes itself to full time chairman watching the current chairman michael powell is a celebrity at least by government official standards because he is the only son of colin powell the secretary of state unlike his father he has a kind of mesmerizing ambiguity which generates enormous and at times apoplectically toned speculation about who he really is and what he s really up to powell is young to be the head of a federal agency he is thirty nine and genially charming everybody likes him before becoming chairman he was for three years one of the f c c s five commissioners not only is he fluent in the f c c s incomprehensible patois he has a clintonesque love of the arcane details of communications policy he s always saying that he s an avid moderate and yet he has a rage inciting quality one of his predecessors as chairman reed hundt quoted in forbes compared powell to herbert hoover mark cooper of the consumer federation of america calls him radical and extreme just as often as he s accused of being a right wing ideologue powell gets accused of being paralytically cautious it ain t about singing kum ba yah around the campfire another former chairman william kennard says you have to have an answer one day last spring powell testifying before a senate subcommittee delivered an anodyne opening statement and the subcommittee s chairman ernest hollings of south carolina berated him you don t care about these regulations hollings said you don t care about the law or what congress sets down that s the fundamental that s the misgiving i have of your administration over there it just is amazing to me you just pell mell down the road and seem to not care at all i think you d be a wonderful executive vice president of a chamber of commerce but not a chairman of a regulatory commission at the government level are you happy in your job extremely powell said with an amiable smile one cannot understand powell s maddening effect at least on democrats and liberal activists without understanding not just the stated purpose of the commission he chairs but also its real purpose the f c c was created by congress in NUMBER but it existed in prototype well before the new deal because it performs a function that is one of the classic easy cases for government intervention in the private economy making sure that broadcasters stick to their assigned spots on the airwaves its other original function was preventing american telephone telegraph the national monopoly phone company from treating its customers unfairly over the decades as f c c world grew up into a comfortable well established place the f c c segued into the role of industrial supervision its real purpose it was supposed to manage the competition among communications companies so that it didn t become too bloody by artfully deciding who would be allowed to enter what line of business in addition to looking out for the public s interest the commission more specifically protected the interests of members of congress many of whom regard the media companies in their districts as the single most terrifying category of interest group you can cross the local bank president and live to tell the tale but not the local broadcaster according to an oft told f c c world anecdote president clinton once blocked an attempt to allow television stations to buy daily newspapers in the same city because he said if the so and so who owned the anti clinton little rock democrat gazette had owned the leading tv station in little rock too clinton would never have become president f c c world may have been con tentious but it was settled too because all the reasonably powerful players had created secure economic niches for themselves then in the nineteen eighties the successful breakup of a t t by far the biggest and most important company the commission regulated deposited a thick additional sediment of self confidence onto the consciousness of f c c world a generation ago for most americans there was one local phone company one long distance company and one company that manufactured telephones which customers were not permitted to own and they were all the same company it was illegal to plug any device into a phone line by the mid nineteen nineties there were a dozen economically viable local phone companies a handful of national long distance companies competing to offer customers the lowest price and best service and stores everywhere selling telephone equipment from many manufacturers and millions of americans had a fax machine and a modem operating over the telephone lines a t t had argued for years that it was a natural monopoly requiring protection from economic competition and total control over its lines so much for that argument over the same period the f c c had assisted in the birth of cable television and cell phones and the internet it was the dream of federal agency success come true consumers vastly better served and the industry much bigger and more prosperous too the next big step was supposed to be the telecommunications act of NUMBER one of those massive endlessly lobbied over pieces of legislation which most people outside f c c world probably felt it was safe to ignore although the telecom act sailed under the rhetorical banner of modernization and deregulation its essence was a grand interest group bargain in which the local phone companies known to headline writers as baby bells and to f c c world as arbocks the pronounced version of rbocs or regional bell operating companies would be permitted to offer long distance service in exchange for letting the long distance companies and smaller new phone companies use their lines to compete for customers consumers would win because for the first time they would get the benefits of competition in local service while getting even more competition than they already had in long distance but the politics and economics of the telecom act which was shepherded through congress by vice president gore were just as important democrats saw the act as helping to reposition them as the technology party the party that brought the internet into every home created hundreds of thousands of jobs in new companies and not least set off an investment boom whose beneficiaries might become the party s new contributor base clinton s slogans about the information superhighway and building a bridge to the twenty first century which like all clinton slogans artfully sent different messages to different constituencies were the rhetorical correlates of the telecom act and gore s cruise to the presidency was supposed to be powered substantially by the act s success the f c c had a crucial role in all this the arbocks are rich aggressive politically powerful and generally republican though like all important interest groups they work with both parties they immediately filed lawsuits which wound up tying the hands of their new competitors in the local phone market for more than three years through rule making enforcement and litigation the f c c then headed by reed hundt who was gore s classmate at st albans was supposed to keep the arbocks in their cages so that not only long distance companies like a t t and mci worldcom but also a whole category of new companies see lecks the pronounced version of clecs or competitive local exchange carriers could emerge this entailed the regulatory equivalent of hand to hand combat the see leck is supposed to have access to the arbock s switching equipment the arbock won t give the seeleck a key to the room where it s kept so the see leck asks the f c c to rule that the arbock has to give it the key partly because hundt assured the see lecks and other new companies that he would protect them and partly because of the generally booming condition of the economy then investment capital flooded into the see lecks companies with names like winstar covad and teligent and into other telecommunications companies even not obviously related technology companies like cisco systems benefitted from the telecom boom demand for their products was supposed to come from the see lecks and other new players there would be no conflict between the interests of the new telecom companies and those of consumers as one of hundt s former lieutenants told me reed used to joke that my job was to make sure that all prices went down and all stocks went up the years following the passage of the telecom act were the peak of the boom wall street had its blood up and that meant not just more startups but also more mergers of existing communications companies time warner and aol decided to throw in together and a t t and comcast and so on surely worldcom and the other telecom bad guys believed that their self dealing stock overselling and creative accounting would go unnoticed because the market was so undiscriminating by the time the outcome of the NUMBER presidential election had been determined the telecom crash was well under way nonetheless the chairmanship of the f c c remained one of the best jobs in terms of influence and visibility available to a career government regulator three republicans emerged as candidates powell who was a commissioner harold furchtgott roth the farthest to the right commissioner and patrick wood the head of the texas public utility commission and as such a george w bush guy in texas however wood had crossed the most powerful person in the arbock camp edward whitacre the c e o of s b c communications which is headquartered in san antonio this meant that the arbocks didn t want wood as head of the f c c because he might be too pro see leck wood is now the head of the federal energy regulatory commission michael powell had to signal the arbocks that he wasn t as threatening as wood while also signalling the conservative movement that he was only negligibly farther to the left than furchtgott roth powell did this deftly for example in december of NUMBER he appeared before a conservative group called the progress freedom foundation and gave a very michael powell speech whimsical intellectual and free associative biblical history joseph schumpeter moore s law that began by making fun of the idea that the f c c should try to keep new telecom companies alive in the wake of the NUMBER act the f c c is often cast as the grinch who stole christmas powell said like the whos down in who ville who feast on who pudding and rare who roast beast the communications industry was preparing to feast on the deregulatory fruits it believed would inevitably sprout from the act s fertile soil but this feast the f c c grinch did not like in the least so it is thought thus powell was indicating that if he became chairman he didn t expect to administer first aid to the see lecks as part of the job he was appointed to the chairmanship on the first day of the bush administration twenty months into the administration nearly all the see lecks are dead or dying nearly all long distance companies not just worldcom are in serious trouble cable companies have lost half their value satellite companies are staggering the crash has had an automatically concentrating effect because as new companies die the existing companies market share increases and if the existing companies are in good shape financially they have the opportunity to pick up damaged companies at bargain prices during the bush administration as the financial carnage in communications has worsened the communications industry has moved in the direction of more concentration if the bells wind up protecting their regional monopolies in local phone service and if they also merge the country will be on its way to having a national duopoly in local service verizon in the east and s b c in the west and these companies could dominate long distance as well because of the poor health of the long distance companies the cable business also seems close to having two dominant national companies aol time warner and comcast unlike the phone companies they don t have to share their wiring with other companies and so can more fully control what material they allow to enter people s homes as part of the complicated bargaining with interest groups that led to the NUMBER telecom act the limits on concentration in the radio industry were significantly loosened and in the past six years the number of radio station owners in the united states has been cut by twenty five per cent today a large portion of local and national radio news programming is supplied by a single company westwood one a subsidiary of viacom in this situation many democrats and liberals think the f c c should be hyperactive the superhero of government regulation springing to the rescue of both consumers and the communications industry it should try to breathe life into the see lecks and other new companies it should disallow mergers maintain ownership limits and otherwise restrain the forces of concentration it should use the government s money and muscle to get new technology especially fast internet connections into the homes of people who can t afford it at current market prices an analogy that a lot of people in f c c world make is between telecom and the middle east the clinton people blame the bloodshed on the bush people because they disengaged when they came into office and the bush people blame it on the clinton people because they raised too many expectations and stirred too many passions but michael powell s f c c has not been hyperactive powell has been conducting internal policy reviews and reforming the management of the f c c and waiting for the federal courts and the congress to send him signals in mid september powell finally initiated a formal review of the f c c s limits on media concentration this doesn t mean he has been inactive rather he has been active in a way that further infuriates his critics in a manner that smoothly blends the genial and the provocative he muses about whether the fundamental premises of f c c world really make sense while giving the impression that he s having the time of his life as chairman at his first press conference when he was asked what he was going to do about the digital divide that is economic inequality in access to the internet he said you know i think there is a mercedes divide i d like to have one and i can t afford one at the national cable telecommunications association convention in chicago powell following a troupe of tumblers to the stage interrupted his walk to the podium to perform a somersault not long ago i went to see powell in his office at the f c c until NUMBER when the commission moved to a new building in southwest washington near the city s open air fish market f c c world was at the western edge of downtown where everybody would encounter everybody else at a few familiar restaurants and bars today the f c c building looks like the office of a mortgage company in a suburban office park even the chairman s suite though large is beige carpeted and fluorescent powell is a bulky man who wears gold rimmed glasses and walks with a pronounced limp the result of injuries he suffered in a jeep accident in germany in NUMBER when he was an army officer because of the accident he left the army and went to law school where he became entranced with conservative ideas about regulation particularly the idea that the government rather than trying to correct the flaws of the market before the fact prophylactically as he likes to say should wait till the flaws manifest themselves and then use antitrust litigation to fix them he worked briefly at a corporate law firm and then became a protégé of joel klein the head of the antitrust division of the clinton justice department and the man who led the government s legal case against microsoft he was recently appointed chancellor of the new york public school system it testifies to powell s political skill that he is probably the only high official in the bush administration who not only served in the clinton administration but also maintains close ties to bush s nemesis senator john mccain of arizona one of the things about powell that annoy people is his enduring love of law school it s sort of like a law school study session over there one democratic former commissioner said as if to confirm the charge powell when i arrived introduced me to four law students summer interns at the commission whom he d invited to sit in i began by asking powell whether he agreed with the founding assumptions of the f c c for example could private companies have apportioned the airwaves among themselves without the government being involved i think we ll never know powell said i don t think it s an automatically bad idea the way some people will argue land is probably the best analogue we don t seize all the land in the united states and say the government will issue licenses to use land if my neighbor puts a fence one foot onto my property line there s a whole body of law about what i can do about that including whether i can tear it down if a wireless company was interfering with another wireless company it s a similar proposition there are scholars who argue indeed the famous ronald coase treatise that won the nobel prize was about this that spectrum policy is lunacy the market could work this out in the kinds of ways that we re accustomed to talking to powell was fun unlike most high government officials he doesn t seem to be invested in appearing dignified or commanding he slumps in his chair and fiddles with his tie and riffs he speaks in ironic air quotes he s like your libertarian friend in college who enjoyed staying up all night asking impertinent rhetorical questions about aspects of life that everybody else takes for granted but that he sees as sentimental or illogical after a while i asked him whether he thought his predecessors excitement about the NUMBER telecommunications act had been excessive i would start with a caveat powell said look i can t fault those judgments in and of themselves given the time and what people thought they were not the only ones who were hysterical about the opportunities but frankly i ve always been a little bit critical first of all anybody who works with the act knows that it doesn t come anywhere close to matching the hyperbole that was associated with it by the president on down about the kinds of things it s going to open up i mean i don t know what provisions are the information superhighway provisions or what provisions are so digitally oriented or some of the things that were a big part of the theatre of its introduction when one starts reading the details one searches often in vain for these provisions but nonetheless there was a rising dot com excitement and an internet excitement and people thought this was historic legislation and it certainly was but we were sucking helium out of balloons with the kinds of expectations that were being bandied around and this is before the economy or the market even gets in trouble it was a dramatically exaggerated expectation by the leadership of the commission by politicians by the market itself by companies themselves it was a gold rush and led to some very detrimental business decisions ones that government encouraged by its policies frankly everybody wanted to see numbers go up on the board powell began imitating an imagined true believer in the telecom act i want to see ten competitors twenty competitors i want to see thirty per cent market share fifty per cent market share i want the bells to bleed then we ll know we ve succeeded now powell returned to being powell i think that expectation was astonishingly unrealistic in the short term they wanted to see it while they re there we were starting to get drunk on the juice we were drinking and the market was getting drunk on the juice we were drinking there s no question we went too soon too fast too many companies took on too much debt too fast before the market really had a product or a business model how could the telecom act have been handled better we could have chosen policies that were less hellbent on a single objective and were slightly more balanced and put more economic discipline in the system powell said money chased what seemed like government promised opportunity the problem with that is there s a morning after and we re in it and the problem is there is no short fix for this problem this debt is going to take years to bring down to a realistic level in some ways for short term gain we paid a price in long term stability powell went on to say that it might have turned out differently if there had been a more reasonable level of investment no we wouldn t have every home in america with competitive choice yet but we don t anyway i don t think it s the remonopolization of telephone service i don t buy that the bells will prosper but did anybody believe they wouldn t the part of the story that didn t materialize was that people thought so would mci worldcom and sprint other local phone companies he added hadn t materialized as viable businesses either and they never might everybody s always saying the regulators did this and this and this but candidly the story s quite the opposite i think the regulators bent over backward for six years to give them a chance conditions don t get that good except once every thirty years and it didn t happen so whatever the reason we re looking at a worldcom that s teetering we re looking at a long distance business that has had a rapid decline in its revenue base a t t is breaking itself up sprint has struggled could the f c c have done anything to make the long distance companies stronger at the f c c i think i ll just be blunt my political answer yes there s all kinds of things we can do at the margin to try to help but i can t find thirty billion dollars for worldcom somewhere i can t mitigate the impacts of an accounting scandal and an s e c investigation were i king it would be wonderful but i don t have those kinds of levers i don t know whether anybody does at some point companies are expected to run themselves in a way that keeps them from dying powell couldn t have made it much clearer that he doesn t think it s his responsibility to do anything about the telecom crash he has demonstrated his sure political touch by making accommodationist gestures in august for example five months after disbanding the f c c s accounting safeguards division powell announced that he was appointing a committee to study accounting standards in the communications industry but that shows that powell is better at riding out the storm than say harvey pitt his counterpart at the securities and exchange commission and does not mean that he plans to try to shore up the telecom industry i asked powell if it would bother him if for most people only one company provided cable television and only one provided local phone service yes he said it concerns us that there s one of each of those things but let s not diminish the importance of there being one of each of those things that still is a nice suite of communications capabilities even if they aren t direct analogues of each other anyway powell said before long the phone companies will be able to provide video service over their lines and the cable companies will provide data service over their lines so there will be more choice so yeah we have this anxiety we have one of everything the question is does it stay that way the concentration of ownership and the concentrated control of information did not appear to trouble powell either he said that people confuse bigness which brings many benefits with concentration which distorts markets if this were just economics it s easy if you were to say to me mike just worry about economic concentration we know how to do that the econometrics of antitrust i can tell you when a market s too concentrated and prices are going to rise the problem is other dimensions like political ideological sometimes emotional take the question of if everybody s controlling what you see the assumption there is that somehow there ll be this viewpoint a monolithic viewpoint pushed on you by your media and you won t get diversity i think that s a possibility i don t think it s nearly the possibility that s ascribed to it sometimes powell explained sometimes when we see very pointed political or parochial programming it gets attacked as unfair i see some of the same people who claim they want diversity go crazy when rush limbaugh exists they love diversity but somehow we should run howard stern off the planet if it has a point of view then it becomes accused of bias and then we have policies like here his tone went from ironic to sarcastic the fairness doctrine which seems to me like the antithesis of what i thought those people cared about so when somebody is pointed and opinionated we do all this stuff in the name of journalistic fairness and integrity or whatever to make them balance it out f c c world abounds in theories about michael powell one is that he can t make up his mind about how to address the crisis in the industries he regulates so he talks and talks and talks flamboyantly about the market in order to buy himself time another is that he s carrying water for the arbocks and the big cable companies another is that he is planning to run for the senate from virginia or to be appointed attorney general in a second bush term and doesn t want to do anything at the f c c that would diminish his chances another is that he s waiting to move until there is more consensus on some course of action so that he doesn t wind up going first and getting caught in the crossfire between the arbocks and the cable companies and the television networks in f c c world this is known as the powell doctrine of telecom after colin powell s idea that the united states should never commit itself militarily without a clear objective overwhelming force and an exit strategy and another is that he actually believes what he says and thinks the telecommunications crash is natural healthy and irreversible and more concentration would be just fine this is why elections matter reed hundt who isn t happy about what has become of his telecom act told me it s true that the f c c much more than say the war in afghanistan is a case in which a gore administration would be acting quite differently from the bush administration consumers might have noticed the difference by now but there s no question whether communications companies have noticed the arbocks are doing better against their internal rivals than they would have done if gore had won next election they ll help the party that helped them if the republicans win policy will tilt further in the arbocks favor if they lose perhaps the arbocks rivals the long distance companies and the telecommunications upstarts with their friends now in power will stage a comeback america s present is not unrecognizably different from america s past

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hi all anyone ever try connecting at NUMBERbps in linux i ve got a usr NUMBERk faxmodem which is meant to connect to another same modem and i have to connect at this speed due to the nt port settings on the remote side but the modem handshake always fails at this speed the modem handshake works at slightly higher speeds NUMBERbps to NUMBERbps but that is no good for tx rx ing data to the remote server as it insists at talking at the speed of treacle NUMBERbps note minicom fails to handshake at NUMBERbps but hyperterm in windows worked first time any ideas baud NUMBER NUMBER data bits even parity i am doing a atzNUMBER to reset the modem then i send this init string at fNUMBEReNUMBERvNUMBERqNUMBERxNUMBERyNUMBERsNUMBER NUMBER aNUMBER bNUMBER cNUMBER dNUMBER hNUMBER iNUMBER kNUMBER mNUMBER nNUMBER pNUMBER rNUMBER sNUMBER uNUMBER yNUMBER which is most of the defaults usr said to set sNUMBER NUMBER disables v NUMBER set sNUMBER NUMBER disable v NUMBER xNUMBER but the sNUMBER NUMBER just makes the handshake lockup instead of just giving up btw this is a bank s system i am connecting to so reconfiguring their modems may be difficult colin colin nevin software engineer merit solutions ltd dublin NUMBER goatstown cross dublin NUMBER printed using NUMBER recycled electrons irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

colin nevin wrote hi all the modem handshake works at slightly higher speeds NUMBERbps to NUMBERbps but that is no good for tx rx ing data to the remote server as it insists at talking at the speed of treacle NUMBERbps it sounds like the flow control is set to xon xoff rather than hardware baud NUMBER NUMBER data bits even parity unusual NUMBER n NUMBER is more common i am doing a atzNUMBER to reset the modem then i send this init string at fNUMBEReNUMBERvNUMBERqNUMBERxNUMBERyNUMBERsNUMBER NUMBER aNUMBER bNUMBER cNUMBER dNUMBER hNUMBER iNUMBER kNUMBER mNUMBER nNUMBER pNUMBER rNUMBER sNUMBER uNUMBER yNUMBER i think that the at command for hardware flow control is eNUMBER though this may vary from modem to modem regards zzzzcc john mccormac hack watch news zzzzcc URL NUMBER viewmount voice NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER waterford bbs fax NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER ireland URL begin pgp public key block version NUMBER NUMBER mqcnazaypnsaaaeeapgthanyitutnawfNUMBERbuNUMBERmfNUMBERpcblqxdeuhfNUMBERxtNUMBERuol od z zocaxNUMBERkaNUMBERljbjuqywNUMBERhlqvtvNUMBERkcellrpNUMBERhpqmkNUMBERypowNUMBERfqwlptjof zmcxevdNUMBERqz tretNUMBERvs kirqryvkoaxojhqizurNUMBERgNUMBERovbnidpkeoNUMBERkkulzNUMBERxkuxcgzsulkkvaaux tcjkbNUMBERhuieNUMBERjqNUMBERybwfjidxqbwnjqghhyNUMBERtNUMBERyxrjacNUMBERjbNUMBER tbjqbwnjqghhyNUMBERtNUMBER yxrjacNUMBERjbNUMBER stfy end pgp public key block irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

zzzz URL justin mason writes dev fd NUMBER is stdin filedescriptor NUMBER looks like the ps file wants to know its filename but it s being read from stdin that s my guess i don t think so it should be getting a stream of ps from stdin but it s not the printing spooling system is executing gs but somehow failing to provide it with input try tweaking the scripts to run gs with the ps file on the command line instead of as that might clarify that the later part of the system works but i suspect the problem is earlier b brendan halpin dept of government and society limerick university ireland tel w NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER f NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER h NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER room fNUMBER NUMBER x NUMBER mailto brendan halpin ul ie URL irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

i have translated the article in full see end of post i think that i ve done a far better job than the google translation at least it s readable now any corrections appreciated stuff in s is my and others additions to the debate my apologies if i ve paraphrased anybody incorrectly i will be glad to retract if anyone is miffed the article makes four main points NUMBER absence of critical clauses in this case the idea is that the licence is invalid because it doesn t specify under what country s law the gpl is governed NUMBER specification in english only that for the end user as opposed to businesses the gpl doesn t apply because it s not written in french NUMBER arbitary licence change the point here is that under french law the author can change the terms of the licence arbitarily this is because any granting of rights by an author must be clearly delimited in terms of how long where to whom dates and times in the absence of such limitations the original author has the right to change his software back to closed on a whim david neary makes the point that the copyright holder automatically retains the right to change the licence scott replies it simply requires authorisation from all copyright holders that s not my understanding french law allows a gpl type licence _on condition_ that the specific conditions of the granting of such rights are clear if they are not there is nothing to stop the original author taking back his work the lawyers see this correctly imho as a weakness in the gpl NUMBER hidden defects roughly this clause means that the author s is are liable for any defects if the consumer is not an it engineer so if linux blows up and data is lost then the authors are liable ciaran johnson says that m oft and others have similar clauses the point here is that they are _all_ invalid just that this one affects the gpl also niall o broinn makes the point that it is not a sale but rather a service leasing arrangement and that s why it doesn t come under this point i would suggest that the whole thrust of this article has been to see software sales even if no money changes hands as governed very much by consumer law in france anyway rick moen makes the point that it is not a sale but rather a granting of rights which are not default see the bit about even the granting of rights by an author having to be explicitly specified under french law the fact that two ip lawyers in france think that the gpl is covered as a sale make me feel that there is a de facto sale and a de facto contract NUMBER roughly there may be other reasons under french law why the gpl may be invalid whole article freedom a is worth more than these imperfect licences specialised lawyers look at the gpl lawyer cyril rojinsky duly appointed to the court and the jurist vincent grynbaum both specialised in the area of intellectual property examine the free licences and in particular the gpl they have published their study in the review proprietes intellectuelles intellectual property NUMBER and their conclusion is grim their approach is interesting the problem for them is not to know whether freedom is valid under french law for them the question is a moot point but rather they asked themselves about the form and the content of the text of free licences and in particular the gpl the problem is not free programmes but rather the licence contracts of free programmes absence of critical clauses the authors tell us that first of all the reference to copyright is not legally sufficient in the framework of international contracts which is the case of licence contracts for programmes developed and spread via the internet the idea of copyright can basically include differences from one country to another this is why under international contracts it is necessary to specify to which laws one is referring french law american c the authors only found three public licences which were correctly formulated on this point qpl ibm public licence and the mozilla public licence specification in the english language next the authors remind us that at least in france no clause in a contract may be contrary to french law NUMBER however it turns out that a licence such as the gpl is contrary to french law in several respects firstly it is written in english and the fsf doesn t officially approve translations the toubon law obliges this sort of contract to be written in french including for businesses since the notion of user applies not only to consumers but also to businesses professionals c contacted by the editors of linuxfrench lawyer cyril rojinsky declared that as far as business is concerned the toubon law is probably doomed to change since it is in contradiction of european directives on the subject but whatever about that the problem is still valid for individuals and while waiting for it french law to change french companies have to deal with it since it is the law of the land a programme under the gpl can suddenly change licence another problem much more serious is that according to french law the author of a free programme can at any time invoke the invalidity of the licence for this software by simply changing the licence in effect the law of intellectual property stipulates that the granting of rights by the author is subordinate to the condition that each of these granted rights be the object of a distinct clause in the granting act i e the licence and that the granting of any such rights be delimited with respect to its scope and its grantees and also with respect to its location i e where such rights may be excersised and duration of any such grants NUMBER this is not the case of the gpl nor of other free licences briefly this means that in france or elsewhere if the author is french that which is under the gpl could revert to proprietary from one day to the next the problem of the guarantee hidden defects an other very serious flaw is that of the guarantee the gpl licences and others show that the software is delivered without guarantee you are going to immediately reply that commercical programmes carry the same clause in their licence contracts and this is correct however whatever is written in a licence contract one cannot free oneself from the guarantee from hidden defects since it is imposed in the civil code this concept is poorly understood by the layman it protects the buyer whoever it may be individual or business since it specifies the civil code and not consumer protection law against hidden defects deliberate or made in good faith by the seller for example if one buys a pair of socks in a sale and the shop has a notice specifying that sale items are neither refunded nor exchanged and on arriving home you notice that one of the socks has a hole in it several scenarios are possible you could have checked the socks before purchase the flaw is deemed obvious and you can sing for your money you couldn t check the socks they were packaged for example and in this case despite the notice neither refund nor exchange you may invoke hidden defect and have them changed or obtain a refund it s up to you personally i have already invoked in shops the hidden defect clause and it always worked well shopkeepers are always very cooperative if you quote a couple of words of the civil code the concept of hidden defect is rather wide it is necessary that you hadn t the possibility of discovering the defect before buying the product and then according to the civil code that you wouldn t have bought it at that price if you had known about the defect the third case which is much rarer is if you are able to show that the vendor had knowledge of the defect hidden but didn t inform you in this case not only does he have to reimburse the product but all expenses incurred by the sale metro tickets to go to the shop the fuse which blew when you plugged it in c this idea of hidden defect applies to all products including programmes this was made abundantly clear by the authorities and the courts surrounding yNUMBERk this is particularly inconvenient for free programmes since a site which offers a linux distro for download is supposed to provide a guarantee against hidden flaws linuxfrench asked cyril rojinsky if in the case of a free programme one could speak about a hidden defect since the source code was available he replied actually concerning the guarantee the question of obvious defect will arise this analyis will be different depending on whether the person who downloads the distribution is an it professional or not opensource has this advantage over the proprietary programme it protects the distributor against a guarantee of hidden defect insofar as the buy is an it person but for distribution to the public at large the problem remains the same roughly speaking lawyer cyril rojinsky said it himself this study is far from being exhaustive and many other areas could be explored during this interview we asked ourselves for example about the fragility of the gpl clause which forbids linking source code under the gpl with proprietary code in effect the laws of intellectual property give the right to the user to modify a programme with the intention of permitting interoperability with another programme if for that i need to link with a proprietary library communication protocol device driver i may consider as null and void this clause of the gpl the conclusion of this study is a wake up call for the community freedom merits more than these shoddy licences which should be modified before court cases over them proliferate and put at risk the undeniable originality of this effort NUMBER une publication de l institut de recherche en propriété intellectuelle noNUMBER juillet NUMBER NUMBER une telle clause de contrat qui est opposée à ce que dit la loi française est qualifiée en terme juridique de clause réputée non écrite c est à dire qu on fait comme si cette clause n était pas écrite dans le contrat c est pour cela par exemple que vous pouvez signer un bail pour un appartement qui stipule que les enfants sont interdits dans l immeuble et envisager sans inquiétude d avoir quand même un enfant en effet le code civil stipule que le devoir d un locataire d un appartement doit se comporter en bon père de famille NUMBER article lNUMBER NUMBER ___________________________________________________________ do you yahoo une adresse URL gratuite et en français yahoo mail URL irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

quoting breathnach proinnsias dublin breatpro exchange ie ml com is there any reliable way to calculate your connection speed if you don t trust what the modem reports do a wget of a file of known length in a script that runs date before and after or equivalent be aware that speed between you and your upstream link is one thing speed through countless congested routers to a faraway location may be quite another remember that hardware level compression is a factor the file you wget will probably be precompressed in the area of the slightly more exotic be aware that different traffic may have higher priority and thus more available bandwidth at various points in the transit to from you and that some traffic may go via different paths coming vs going be aware that raw bulk transfer speed may not be the only thing that matters depending on what you re doing the modem s connection latency might matter and this differs widely between modems it matters more for interactive sessions e g ssh remote logins where each keystroke is echoed from remote cheers send a policeman and have it arrested rick moen otto von bismarck when asked what he rick URL would do if the british army landed irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

on tue NUMBER oct NUMBER john moylan wrote hmm speaking of cheap machines etc has anyone tried this sort of thing URL or more importantly has anyone had any positive negative experiences with the via mini itx boards via cNUMBER processors my laptop has a via cNUMBER processor i use debian with a self compiled NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER kernel and have had absolutely no problems with the chip at all quite the opposite in fact i had to compile for NUMBER in order for NUMBERd acceleration to work the kernel has an option specifically for the via cNUMBER but i assume that was a kernel problem rather than a hardware problem trevor johnston irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

quoting paul linehan plinehan yahoo com the point here is that under french law the author can change the terms of the licence arbitarily this is because any granting of rights by an author must be clearly delimited in terms of how long where to whom dates and times the gpl and similar licences are explicitly permanent grants of rights attached to an instance of his work the other stuff mentioned concerns contract law e g the required element of privity etc in the absence of such limitations the original author has the right to change his software back to closed on a whim no the author has the right to issue _additional_ instances under a different licence such as a proprietary closed sic licence rick moen makes the point that it is not a sale but rather a granting of rights which are not default see the bit about even the granting of rights by an author having to be explicitly specified under french law the analysis here and elsewhere concerns contract law this isn t contract law this isn t the first time copyright attorneys have stumbled on this subject i m sure it won t be the last cheers the front line of defense against such sophisticated rick moen viruses is a continually evolving computer operating rick URL system that attracts the efforts of eager software developers bill gates irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

matthias haase wrote the bytecode interpreter is disabled on rhNUMBER defined at line NUMBER in the specfile of the srpm right you are the srpm includes a patch to enable it but then the specfile defaults to not applying that patch i saw the former but missed the later egad what a convoluted maze sorry for the misinformation _______________________________________________ rpm list mailing list rpm list freshrpms net URL

any one out their have any rpms for the new kvim that was just released that d be suitable for rhNUMBER NUMBER the website URL mentions some experimental rpms for suse connectiva slackware but none for mandrake m in NUMBER days the odyssey begins URL mark URL icq NUMBER jid talios URL _______________________________________________ rpm list mailing list rpm list freshrpms net URL

laurent papier wrote on tue NUMBER oct NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER matthias saou matthias rpmforge net wrote once upon a time roi wrote mplayer works with dga if i am root and works with xNUMBER and always worked with sdl but not now with redhat NUMBER now it gives black screen window and play the music of the movie strange because as i said in an earlier post it works for me maybe you re missing the sdl_image or something it also works nicely for me laurent roi roi roi rpm qa grep i sdl sdl_image devel NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER xmame sdl NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER frNUMBER sdl_mixer NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER sdl NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER sdl devel NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER sdl_mixer devel NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER sdl_net NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER sdl_net devel NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER sdl_image NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER seems i got all packages i need it worked on redhat NUMBER NUMBER i did upgrade not reinstall so packages shouldn t make a problem roi _______________________________________________ rpm list mailing list rpm list freshrpms net URL

on tue oct NUMBER NUMBER at NUMBER NUMBER NUMBERpm NUMBER matthias saou wrote two new things today NUMBER i ve had to install a red hat linux NUMBER NUMBER server because of an old proprietary ivr software that doesn t work on newer releases so i ve recompiled both the latest apt and openssh packages for it and they are now available with a complete os updates freshrpms apt repository at URL for those who might be interested oh neat i have similiar thing in my hands though it might be migratable if i had the time to try i ve been using another NUMBER x repository though URL anyone tried dist upgrade from NUMBER x to NUMBER theoretically it should drop in some compat s notably libc and upgrade the rest and after a reboot and maybe a new kernel and grub but i have long before put those to vNUMBER s run just fine haven t had a spare machine to try it on myself though _______________________________________________ rpm list mailing list rpm list freshrpms net URL

matthias haase wrote the recompile of the sprm failed for me with rpm build errors file not found by glob var tmp freetype NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER root usr lib libttf so file not found var tmp freetype NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER root usr lib libttf so weird i had no problems at all rebuilding from the srpm with specfile modified to enable the bytecode interpreter the check files test warns that usr share aclocal freetypeNUMBER mNUMBER was not included in any package but other then that it s all perfectly clean _______________________________________________ rpm list mailing list rpm list freshrpms net URL

on mon oct NUMBER NUMBER at NUMBER NUMBER NUMBERpm NUMBER matthias saou wrote i ve put up a new red hat linux NUMBER NUMBER build of nessus here URL it s NUMBER untested although the build should be ok the new menu was added but some configuration files may be better with new or different defaults feedback is very welcome it works very nice would you consider upgrading it to NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER released only a few hours after your build thanks on tue oct NUMBER NUMBER at NUMBER NUMBER NUMBERpm NUMBER renaud deraison wrote i m pleased to announce the availability of nessus NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER which should be one of the last versions of nessus NUMBER NUMBER x hopefully as i will soon open a new unstable tree and start to break things again what is new in nessus NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER in comparison to NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER changes by michael slifcak michael slifcak at guardent com added bugtraq cross reference in the plugins added support for bid in nessusd this has yet to be done on the client side changes by axel nennker axel nennker at t systems com fixed the xml and html outputs fixed array issues in a couple of plugins changes by michel arboi arboi at bigfoot com find_service now detects services protected by tcp wrappers or acl find_service detects gnuserv ptyexecvp replaced by nessus_popen changes by renaud deraison deraison at cvs nessus org fixed a bug which may make nasl interpret backquoted strings n and r received from the network problem noted by pavel kankovsky nmap_wrapper nes calls _exit instead of exit solved the lack of bpf s on free open netbsd and macosx by sharing _one_ among all the nessus processes as a result nessus s ping is much more effective on these platforms bugfix in plug_set_key which would eventually make some scripts take too long when writing in the kb plugins of family act_settings are run after plugins of family act_scanners replaced the implementation of mdNUMBER which was used when openssl is disabled by the one from rsa the old one would not work on a big endian host fixed plugins build issues on macos x the nessus client compiles and links against gtk NUMBER NUMBER of course it will be horrible and unstable as the gtk team does not care about backward compatibility these two modifications solve the problems of nmap hanging under freebsd special thanks go to michael slifcak whose work on nessus during the last months have been truly appreciated even if they have not always been as underlined as they should have been michael thanks again availability nessus NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER is available at URL axel thimm URL _______________________________________________ rpm list mailing list rpm list freshrpms net URL

since libdvdcss NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER i have been unable to play dvds using ogle xine vlc or mplayer they all show a scrambled picture with very choppy audio when i run xine i see tons of these in the console libaNUMBER aNUMBER_block error libaNUMBER aNUMBER_block error libaNUMBER aNUMBER_block error libaNUMBER aNUMBER_block error audio_out inserting NUMBER NUMBER frames to fill a gap of NUMBER pts metronom audio jump libaNUMBER aNUMBER_block error has anyone seen this before and know how to fix it or should i file a bug report thanks for your help jon jon URL administrator tgpsolutions URL _______________________________________________ rpm list mailing list rpm list freshrpms net URL

i posted about this last week and i m still stumped apt get is just not working for me and i can t figure out what the problem is i ve tried removing the apt rpms making sure to remove any traces left behind etc apt var state apt var cache apt and still i get couldn t find package xmms mpNUMBER when running apt get install xmms mpNUMBER any clues here s a log of a fresh try root canarsie tmp rpm e apt apt devel root canarsie tmp rm rf etc apt var cache apt var state apt root canarsie tmp rpm ivh apt NUMBER NUMBER NUMBERcncNUMBER frNUMBER iNUMBER rpm apt devel NUMBER NUMBER NUMBERcncNUMBER frNUMBER iNUMBER rpm warning apt NUMBER NUMBER NUMBERcncNUMBER frNUMBER iNUMBER rpm vNUMBER dsa signature nokey key id eNUMBERdNUMBERb preparing NUMBER NUMBER apt NUMBER NUMBER apt devel NUMBER root canarsie tmp apt get update ign URL redhat NUMBER NUMBER en iNUMBER release get NUMBER URL redhat NUMBER NUMBER en iNUMBER os pkglist NUMBERkb get NUMBER URL redhat NUMBER NUMBER en iNUMBER os release NUMBERb get NUMBER URL redhat NUMBER NUMBER en iNUMBER updates pkglist NUMBERb get NUMBER URL redhat NUMBER NUMBER en iNUMBER updates release NUMBERb get NUMBER URL redhat NUMBER NUMBER en iNUMBER freshrpms pkglist NUMBER NUMBERkb get NUMBER URL redhat NUMBER NUMBER en iNUMBER freshrpms release NUMBERb get NUMBER URL redhat NUMBER NUMBER en iNUMBER os srclist NUMBERkb get NUMBER URL redhat NUMBER NUMBER en iNUMBER updates srclist NUMBERb get NUMBER URL redhat NUMBER NUMBER en iNUMBER freshrpms srclist NUMBER NUMBERkb fetched NUMBERkb in NUMBERs NUMBERkb s reading package lists done root canarsie tmp apt get install xmms mpNUMBER reading package lists done building dependency tree done e couldn t find package xmms mpNUMBER root canarsie tmp apt cache search xmms root canarsie tmp beats me stevek steve kann chief engineer NUMBER NUMBERth ave NUMBER ny NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER URL collaborate interact learn the box said requires windows NUMBER nt or better so i installed linux _______________________________________________ rpm list mailing list rpm list freshrpms net URL

on mon NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER at NUMBER NUMBER matthias saou wrote i ve never heard of any cd rom or dvd rom drive having problems with dma although there probably is since red hat decided to default disabling it a few releases back heh i get to see bad cdrom problems all the time mostly when vendors buy crap cables to try to save NUMBER NUMBER each but there are chipsets and drives with known dma issues as well normally even if you try to enable dma and your device doesn t support it it simply don t be able to make the change and that s it the problem iirc is with crappy hardware that is supposed to support dma but doesn t work as expected when it s enabled maybe chris could confirm this usually if you enable dma on a cdrom that can t handle it gracefully you won t be able to read data off it relably and that s about it no end_of_the_world problems and easily fixed i guess i ll settle for the dev dvd link change as described and putting the dma tip in the description my biggest beef with automatically setting dev dvd is that i always seem to have a cd burner and a dvd drive or dvd burner in the same box and i usually have the dvd as the second drive dev cdromNUMBER in kudzu speak i agree that the description is the best place for the tip unless someone can come up with a way to probe cd dvd drives to divulge their largest supported media size without loading ide scsi or having that media currently in the drive chris kloiber _______________________________________________ rpm list mailing list rpm list freshrpms net URL

on tue NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER at NUMBER NUMBER panu matilainen wrote on mon NUMBER oct NUMBER jesse keating wrote on mon NUMBER oct NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER matthias saou matthias rpmforge net wrote i ve never heard of any cd rom or dvd rom drive having problems with dma although there probably is since red hat decided to default disabling it a few releases back when i worked as a pc repair tech for a computer store chain i did run across quite a few dvd drives that would lock up if dma was enabled it s more of a chipset drive problem than a drive by itself and my ibm intellistation would lock up instantly now this is actually quite funny if dma was enabled for the cd rom and you tried to access a cd with joliet extensions otherwise it worked just fine with dma enabled odd did i certify that one what s the NUMBER digit ibm model number and which version of red hat were you running chris kloiber _______________________________________________ rpm list mailing list rpm list freshrpms net URL

on tue NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER at NUMBER NUMBER matthias saou wrote hi there two new things today NUMBER i ve had to install a red hat linux NUMBER NUMBER server because of an old proprietary ivr software that doesn t work on newer releases so i ve recompiled both the latest apt and openssh packages for it and they are now available with a complete os updates freshrpms apt repository at URL for those who might be interested gack did you try NUMBER NUMBER with the compat glibc first or does it require an antique kernel chris kloiber _______________________________________________ rpm list mailing list rpm list freshrpms net URL

on tue NUMBER oct NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER ben liblit liblit eecs berkeley edu wrote rpm build errors file not found by glob var tmp freetype NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER root usr lib libttf so file not found var tmp freetype NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER root usr lib libttf so weird i had no problems at all rebuilding from the srpm with specfile modified to enable the bytecode interpreter the check files test warns that usr share aclocal freetypeNUMBER mNUMBER was not included in any package but other then that it s all perfectly clean hi ben it seems the rh freetype package should be repacked see for this URL please can you atach and send your sucessfully rebuild of the rh freetype rpm with the bytecode enabled to me regards from germany matthias _______________________________________________ rpm list mailing list rpm list freshrpms net URL

i wrote the bytecode interpreter may improve non antialiased rendering but only at the expense of making a mess of antialiased rendering then again perhaps the particular font i m using just has bad bytecodes that font is quicktype ii grabbed off my windows partition where it was installed by i have no idea which application anybody else experimenting with bytecode enabled freetype presumably with different fonts do you find the same bad antialiased rendering that i found or do other fonts work well _______________________________________________ rpm list mailing list rpm list freshrpms net URL

once upon a time chris wrote on tue NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER at NUMBER NUMBER matthias saou wrote hi there two new things today NUMBER i ve had to install a red hat linux NUMBER NUMBER server because of an old proprietary ivr software that doesn t work on newer releases so i ve recompiled both the latest apt and openssh packages for it and they are now available with a complete os updates freshrpms apt repository at URL for those who might be interested gack did you try NUMBER NUMBER with the compat glibc first or does it require an antique kernel it requires a NUMBER NUMBER kernel plus antique just about everything real crap matthias clean custom red hat linux rpm packages URL red hat linux release NUMBER NUMBER valhalla running linux kernel NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBERacpi load NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER _______________________________________________ rpm list mailing list rpm list freshrpms net URL

on tue NUMBER oct NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER ben liblit liblit eecs berkeley edu wrote ick perhaps this is why red hat turned the bytecode interpreter off it may improve non antialiased rendering but only at the expense of making a mess of antialiased rendering this may come down to a matter of personal aesthetics but for my part i m going back to red hat s standard packages with the bytecode interpreter turned off yes confirmed but for my part i m using mostly non antialiased fonts and they are true ugly without the bytecode interpreter enabled remember my stupid request about your rpm regards from germany matthias _______________________________________________ rpm list mailing list rpm list freshrpms net URL

hi brian fahrlander kilroy kamakiriad com wrote what s it take to ensure we re covered against this kind of childish moronic microsoft era problems well i am checking the packet signatures while building the apt tree not very pretty not very fast but it works nonetheless did anyone ever play with this URL r _______________________________________________ rpm list mailing list rpm list freshrpms net URL

once upon a time brian wrote ok it s now time to work out the pgp securing of apt repository traffic i ve never gotten anything but sitename whatever will not be authenticated until running redhat NUMBER NUMBER when i get something about having no key for various files i don t think gpg signing my repositories will help anything as it will just ensure that my passphrase was typed to confirm the mdNUMBER signatures of all pgklists and srclists basically you ll then just be sure that it s me who generated the files and this will of course prevent automating the process of updating the apt repository when red hat updates show up in red hat linux NUMBER NUMBER though the warnings about no key appear until you import the right gpg public keys directly with rpm for example rpm import usr share doc apt NUMBER NUMBER NUMBERcncNUMBER rpm gpg key this will import my key which is used to sign all URL packages hopefully it is possible to the tell rpm to install only packages who verify against an imported gpg key this for me would be the optimal way to ensure integrity with the way things curently work matthias clean custom red hat linux rpm packages URL red hat linux release NUMBER NUMBER valhalla running linux kernel NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBERacpi load NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER _______________________________________________ rpm list mailing list rpm list URL URL

on wed NUMBER oct NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER matthias saou matthias rpmforge net wrote i don t think gpg signing my repositories will help anything as it will just ensure that my passphrase was typed to confirm the mdNUMBER signatures of all pgklists and srclists basically you ll then just be sure that it s me who generated the files and this will of course prevent automating the process of updating the apt repository when red hat updates show up isn t there a packager key that s concealed inside the rpm things have changed a bit since i used to work with em but i thought there was some internal number that must be compared to be correct or presumably return an error in red hat linux NUMBER NUMBER though the warnings about no key appear until you import the right gpg public keys directly with rpm for example rpm import usr share doc apt NUMBER NUMBER NUMBERcncNUMBER rpm gpg key this will import my key which is used to sign all URL packages hey cool wether it protects me or not i feel better about it hopefully it is possible to the tell rpm to install only packages who verify against an imported gpg key this for me would be the optimal way to ensure integrity with the way things curently work yeah surely there s a flag for that there is for everything else aye brian fahrländer linux zealot conservative and technomad evansville in my voyage URL icq NUMBER angegangen schlange hüften sein es ganz rüber jetzt bügel innen fest weil es eine lange süsse fahrt ist _______________________________________________ rpm list mailing list rpm list URL URL

looks and sounds a hell of a lot like clare s cat violence a tall tail or is it a prowling panther URL security cameras at the gardiner house filmed the cat the plumstead panther has been spotted just yards from the scene of a sighting made three weeks ago but this time it was caught on camera steve gardiner NUMBER claims to have spotted the large cat in his garden in upton road plumstead in the sixth reported sighting in woolwich and bexley in just four weeks mr gardiner told news shopper he watched the big cat as it walked alongside the house at about NUMBER NUMBERam on wednesday september NUMBER while his security cameras captured it on film the father of four described the black cat as about NUMBERft long and two and a half foot high with a large body he said it prowled past the patio doors moving with all the mannerisms of a hunter it looked at me calmly before moving on the bricklayer told how his work colleagues let him know news shopper had been following the big cat story so he decided to call our offices with news of the sighting his wife karen NUMBER later checked the tape which had captured grainy images of the large cat prowling through their garden she said i feel sorry for it not living in its natural habitat i d hate for it to get hurt mr gardiner told how he is convinced of the cat s existence saying how their usually quiet NUMBER year old dog barks at nothing in the garden but barked that morning he warned i don t think these cats are dangerous but if cornered they might jump you sightings of the large black cat are being reported all over the plumstead common and shooters hill as well at the bexley area if you have seen the big cat call news shopper on NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER tuesday NUMBERth october NUMBER _________________________________________________________________ send and receive hotmail on your mobile device URL yahoo groups sponsor sell a home for top URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

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URL an investigation has been launched after punch bags on sale in greenwich were found to be stuffed with incontinence pads and bandages trading standards officers working for greenwich council were alerted to the situation after a bryan punch bag purchased in argos in charlton road charlton was found to be full of bandages also stuffed inside the piece of sporting equipment was a letter from a woman in fife stating how she felt quite disgusted about the bag and asking for the filling to be tested the unfortunate shopper had bought his first bag at argos in lewisham high street but had returned it because on investigation of a leak he was horrified to discover it was filled with incontinence pads so far officers have purchased two of the punch bags only to find they contain incontinence pads and strips of shredded duvet cabinet member for public services councillor angela cornforth said this is one of the strangest stories i have every heard our officers are in the process of investigating and will no doubt discover why the bags contain such unusual contents NUMBER NUMBER tuesday NUMBERth october NUMBER _________________________________________________________________ chat with friends online try msn messenger URL yahoo groups sponsor plan to sell a home URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

on sat NUMBER aug NUMBER adam l beberg wrote and yet still noone is out there creating _public domain_ content is there even one person out there can can even begin to talk without being a complete hypocrite and no the open source people cant talk either the gpl aint even close i know i cant talk all my music is in the public domain there are others URL

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lucas gonze senders should vary the recipient list to include non targets like party officials and to exclude targets enough to give them plausible deniability which means the sender has a list of who the true targets are and who the fake targets are and scripts for mixing these on the receiving side my email client distinguishes between messages that are read and messages that are not i like to mark or save messages that are particularly interresting or important to me and even if i make a point to delete suspicious material immediately upon reading it even that might leave an interesting kind of trace on my machine sorry but i don t buy the argument that spam protects people who want to distribute or see material the government disapproves _________________________________________________________________ msn photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos URL URL

russell turpin wrote on the receiving side my email client distinguishes between messages that are read and messages that are not i like to mark or save messages that are particularly interresting or important to me and even if i make a point to delete suspicious material immediately upon reading it even that might leave an interesting kind of trace on my machine you choose to have your email client do that you don t have to short of palladium you can do whatever you want with bytes you hold including reading messages and erasing the traces i ll buy a chocolate sundae for anyone who can show otherwise an attacker might be able to verify that you have read a message e g by seeing that you saved and edited a copy but not that you haven t if your email client was compromised you could put a packet sniffer on the line before downloading mail if an attacker installed a packet sniffer sniffer you could run it in a spoofing vm the only exception to the rule that your machine belongs to you is maybe palladium lucas URL

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