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vernon i m changing the instructions in the spamassassin install file right now to tar xfvz dcc dccproc tar z cd dcc dccproc x x x configure make make install cdcc info let me know asap if that s innapropriate since we re shipping NUMBER NUMBER today c on monday september NUMBER NUMBER at NUMBER NUMBER am vernon schryver wrote here are the instructions in the spamassassin readme tar xfvz dcc dccproc tar z cd dcc dccproc x x x configure make make install cdcc new map cdcc add URL cdcc info that s ok except that the new map and add URL are respectively unnecessary and wrong the map file that comes with the source points to localhost and URL those two shipped entries usually do the right thing if there is a local server if there is no local server or if the local server fails requests are instantly sent to one of the public server names listed in the main dcc web page at URL and http www dcc URL URL has not been listed for months

on september NUMBER kialllists URL said os x is linux er no it s not it s kinda bsd related but it s definitely not linux waider waider URL yes it is very personal of me since i am project leader i must not be permitted to go insane theo de radt irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

from paul linehan mailto plinehan yahoo com there are two open alternatives that i can think of that don t appear to have been mentioned elsewhere in this thread one is firebird this is my personal favourite it is URL and you can purchase support contracts here URL indeedy i had never even heard of firebird until we started a new job last week with a client who uses it so we popped it onto a box downstairs and wow it is fast comes with some lovely client tools also supports all the db goodies transactions stored procedures triggers it s really amazing to think how much they ve got out of a db that is only NUMBER mb in size that s NUMBER times smaller than the oracle _client_ having said all of the above oracle is really a super product but ya pays ya money ibm s dbNUMBER is another cheaper alternative to oracle free single developer license downloadable from their website fergal irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

here s a weird and wacky problem i m currently out of the country with my trusty evo nNUMBERc laptop when i tried to use the serial port to talk to my mobile phone linux behaved pretty much as if the port was fried bizarre i thought because i d used it successfully while in the office the only difference was that i was trying the thing in the hotel i entertained brief notions of having somehow fried the serial drivers then rebooted the laptop to windows and tried again worked perfectly back to linux still not talking considered that it might be flaky power so i ran the laptop on battery nope tried moving the laptop to a differnet part of the room where there might be less bogon flux still not working eventually i gave up and used the irda port instead which is usually the serial connection of doom grief and teeth grinding this morning in the office the damn thing is working without a hitch anyone like to suggest what mystery technology is in use in the hotel that prevents serial ports from working under linux cheers waider waider URL yes it is very personal of me irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

on sat oct NUMBER NUMBER at NUMBER NUMBER NUMBERpm NUMBER padraig brady mentioned ok i m upgrading vorbis on my machine and i m getting the following rpm u libvorbis vorbis tools NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER iNUMBER rpm error failed dependencies libvorbisfile so NUMBER is needed by sdl_mixer NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER libvorbisfile so NUMBER is needed by xmms NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER libvorbisfile so NUMBER is needed by tuxracer NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER this is because the new libvorbis rpm only has libvorbisfile so NUMBER so is this a problem in the other packages depending on a specific version libvorbisfile so NUMBER rather than on the generic URL this is a pain the only way you can resolve this to my knowledge is to download the original libvorbis rpm and the new one remove the old one then do rpm uvh libvorbis rpm then assumes that you want both versions installed at the same time and does so why you can t do this after you have one library already installed is beyond me kate irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

john p looney wrote the only way you can resolve this to my knowledge is to download the original libvorbis rpm and the new one remove the old one then do rpm uvh libvorbis rpm then assumes that you want both versions installed at the same time and does so why you can t do this after you have one library already installed is beyond me does using the oldpackage flag help your pain or is your pain caused by obsoletes flags cheers waider waider URL yes it is very personal of me irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

david neary said for the francophones among you this article is a summary of the reasons why most free software licences and the gpl in particular are not valid in france URL google translation hard to read most of the time but good enough to pick up the gist URL in brief in an international contract when mentioning copyright you must mention under which jurisdiction s laws the copyright is applied french law requires the licence to be available in french the gpl isn t and french law requires that for a contract to be valid it must not breach existing law also under french law the copyright holder automatically retains the right to change the licence which means that french law is in conflict with the gpl which requires authorisation from all authors before a licence change is allowed also there s some stuff about french consumer law forbidding sale without guarantee of anything so software delivered as is breaches consumer law in france but i didn t really follow that my french is a bit iffy these days but if this is true does it not also nullify microsoft adobe and winzip licences amongst most others these all claim no liability no guarantees m say delivered with all faults so at least they are honest ciaran irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

is there a way to get my read email downloaded off URL i ve been reading the emails using the web based interface but i ve reached my quota limit there doesn t seem to be any way to get the emails off the server i can connect to the account using pop but that only retrieves unread emails there s also no way to mark emails as unread from the html interface is there a way i can use fetchmail perhaps to get it to pull down all the emails and remove them off the server it s been years since i ve used fetchmail i don t recall be able to do this any other suggestions welcome there s a few hundred email so i don t fancy going through each one forwarding it to another account glen irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

seems fetchmail has a a switch to get it all just need to install fetchmail now glen on mon NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER at NUMBER NUMBER stephane dudzinski wrote funny enough that also happened to a friend of mine who uses both the web interface and a pop client last time i tried to send a picture which was around NUMBERk it got denied saying that quota was exceeded when he looked at his account on the web it mentionned NUMBER mb free so i have no idea what they re playing at doesn t really help but just wanted to confirm the problem steph on mon NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER at NUMBER NUMBER glen gray wrote is there a way to get my read email downloaded off URL i ve been reading the emails using the web based interface but i ve reached my quota limit there doesn t seem to be any way to get the emails off the server i can connect to the account using pop but that only retrieves unread emails there s also no way to mark emails as unread from the html interface is there a way i can use fetchmail perhaps to get it to pull down all the emails and remove them off the server it s been years since i ve used fetchmail i don t recall be able to do this any other suggestions welcome there s a few hundred email so i don t fancy going through each one forwarding it to another account glen irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL ______________________________________________ stephane dudzinski systems administrator newworldiq t NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER URL f NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

it seems to only support pppoa and not pppoe you need one that supports pppoe if you want torun it in routed ip mode if you are using it as a bridge it ll probably work but you d be left leaving the computer on which would defeat the purpose of getting a router the best router i ve come accross is the zyxel NUMBER eircom supply this but if you have alook online you can probably find it cheaper to buy online from america or the uk hope this is useful joe irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

on mon oct NUMBER NUMBER at NUMBER NUMBER NUMBERam NUMBER ciaran johnston wrote also there s some stuff about french consumer law forbidding sale without guarantee of anything so software delivered as is breaches consumer law in france but i didn t really follow that my french is a bit iffy these days but if this is true does it not also nullify microsoft adobe and winzip licences amongst most others these all claim no liability no guarantees m say delivered with all faults so at least they are honest apparently the angle on this i e selling without guarantee is that software is not a product which is sold but a service which is licensed at least that s what i remember reading about how m gets away with providing no guarantee in the u s if you re feeling rather deep pocketed you could always try suing m to get a court s view on the matter niall irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

having great fun trying to find a dumb adsl modem with ethernet presentation everybody wants to sell routers but i intend on doing pppoe from another device something with more than one ethernet port would be nice anybody got any recommendations uly original message from joefitz netsoc ucd ie to decdelmur iol ie cc ilug URL sent monday october NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER am subject re ilug adsl router modem combo it seems to only support pppoa and not pppoe you need one that supports pppoe if you want torun it in routed ip mode if you are using it as a bridge it ll probably work but you d be left leaving the computer on which would defeat the purpose of getting a router the best router i ve come accross is the zyxel NUMBER eircom supply this but if you have alook online you can probably find it cheaper to buy online from america or the uk hope this is useful joe irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

on sun oct NUMBER NUMBER at NUMBER NUMBER NUMBERpm NUMBER declan de lacy murphy wrote i am planning to get i stream solo and share it across a small network wireless but i don t want to have to pay eircom for a router and having a noisy pc running constantly isn t really an option because at home inevitably someone will unplug it i have been looking at a number of products and although i read the thread about eircom needing pppoe last august i am still not sure if the one that i am interested in will do the job it is a hawking technology ar NUMBER URL and if it does the job it will actually be cheaper than the modem eircom is selling i would really appreciate if someone could look at the spec on the hawking web page and give me an opinion thanks in advance declan i got the dsl w NUMBERe from URL though it s not at all the best one around i have to say it does the job and a bit some of the features can be a pain to get working ie pptp in pppoe mode can t figure it out the documentation is not the best but the guys from URL will help you ouit they also have a message board the command line interface is quite powerful but absolutely not userfriendly all in all it s a cheap desent performer that i am happy enough with got this one including a microfilter not needed for NUMBEReuro including shipping better than any deal from eircom tor irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

in forteana y webmaster webmaster b wrote right talking stick but what the hell is marathon snickers jif cif and calls itself secret chiefs drs rebranding taking something and changing nothing about it except its name in the uk marathon bars became snickers bar jif cleaning fluid became cif and talking stick became secret chiefs y know scott at once a fun fair a petrified forest and the great temple of amun at karnak itself drunk and reeling in an eccentric earthquake _________________________________________________________________ join the world s largest e mail service with msn hotmail URL yahoo groups sponsor plan to sell a home URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

original message from scott wood skitster hotmail com to zzzzteana yahoogroups com sent monday october NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER am subject zzzzteana re megalithomania unpissup in forteana y webmaster webmaster b wrote right talking stick but what the hell is marathon snickers jif cif and calls itself secret chiefs drs rebranding taking something and changing nothing about it except its name in the uk marathon bars became snickers bar jif cleaning fluid became cif and talking stick became secret chiefs y know scott at once a fun fair a petrified forest and the great temple of amun at karnak itself drunk and reeling in an eccentric earthquake _________________________________________________________________ join the world s largest e mail service with msn hotmail URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL yahoo groups sponsor home selling try us URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

so i ve been letting the little exe of seti home run endlessly on my pc last total for this upgrade approx NUMBER hours of scanning time and still no et i m so disappointed does anyone else on the list let berkeley use their computer for research in this manner URL drs non text portions of this message have been removed yahoo groups sponsor NUMBER dvds free s p join now URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

URL a new theory on mapping the new world by guy gugliotta washington post staff writer monday october NUMBER NUMBER page aNUMBER in NUMBER a group of scholars working in france produced an extraordinary map of the world the first to put the still recent discoveries of columbus and others into a new continent separate from asia and to call that continent america with the waldseemuller map the new world was born but there was something else what would later come to be called south america and central america were surprisingly well shaped not only on the east coast where explorers had already sailed but also on the west coast which no european was known to have seen the ice cream cone bulge that sticks out into the pacific at the junction of modern day chile and peru is readily visible and in almost exactly the right geographical spot not only in the main map but also in an inset printed along its top the shape of south america in the main map appears distorted because of the curvature of the earth it is an improbable coincidence if it was a coincidence for the map NUMBER large printed pages to be arrayed in one NUMBER square foot wall display was published six years before vasco balboa s NUMBER trip across the isthmus of panama and NUMBER years before ferdinand magellan s NUMBER NUMBER trip around the world did someone get there earlier yahoo groups sponsor NUMBER dvds free s p join now URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

understand not enough caffeine absorbed yet this morning NUMBER NUMBERam here for me drs in forteana y webmaster webmaster b wrote right talking stick but what the hell is marathon snickers jif cif and calls itself secret chiefs drs rebranding taking something and changing nothing about it except its name in the uk marathon bars became snickers bar jif cleaning fluid became cif and talking stick became secret chiefs y know scott at once a fun fair a petrified forest and the great temple of amun at karnak itself drunk and reeling in an eccentric earthquake _________________________________________________________________ join the world s largest e mail service with msn hotmail URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL yahoo groups sponsor NUMBER dvds free s p join now URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

ananova man admits soham kidnapping hoax calls a man has admitted making hoax calls to police investigating the disappearance of soham schoolgirls jessica chapman and holly wells wrexham magistrates court in north wales heard jobless howard youde made three calls to police in cambridgeshire claiming to have abducted the youngsters he was arrested in wrexham in the early hours of august NUMBER when officers traced the call to a phone box on the town s brook street the NUMBER year old of queensway hope near wrexham has pleaded guilty to one count of wasting police time on august NUMBER this year the court was told youde claimed to have no recollection of making the calls having been drinking all day defence lawyer mark arden says the offence was neither premeditated nor calculated but added that this was no excuse he said what he s done is horrific it s unforgivable the distress he s caused the families is unacceptable youde has been released on unconditional bail until november NUMBER when he will be sentenced the hearing has been adjourned for pre sentence reports although the defendant has been warned custody is an option story filed NUMBER NUMBER monday NUMBERth october NUMBER yahoo groups sponsor plan to sell a home URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

that always amazes me about regular dreams how often they come true in NUMBER or so when i was a student in edinburgh i had a bad dream about being chased around a house by a scary murderous tramp who was carrying a bag full of half penny coins which had long since ceased to be legal tender the next morning as i left the flat i found a half penny on the doormat right outside our door fair gave me the willies that did timc yahoo groups sponsor plan to sell a home URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

anyone know what quaoar means or stands for can t find it in the dictionary scrabble players should be happy URL quaoar their only god who came down from heaven and after reducing chaos to order out the world on the back of seven giants he then created the lower animals and then mankind los angeles county indians california yahoo groups sponsor home selling try us URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

ok but you ll still let me leave that black and white one there too right i like that one fel okay i see you like that NUMBER s starlet look then i should think about a bio bit but maybe i ll just remain enigmatic and maintain my mystique helen of troy by lentheric or you could let me write one for you mind you i know an awful lot about you yes i like that starlet look but i think you should come out from behind that bike too and let us see what you are wearing looks pretty innerestin fel new cafe forteana is back URL URL weird page URL non text portions of this message have been removed yahoo groups sponsor sell a home with ease URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

or you could let me write one for you mind you i know an awful lot about you oh that could be interesting yes i like that starlet look but i think you should come out from behind that bike too and let us see what you are wearing looks pretty innerestin that bike is all that s between me and my modesty the other photos are not for public consumption fel helen of troy yahoo groups sponsor sell a home for top URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

just the headlines and urls so i don t bore y all too much URL as a us republican i reject george bush s illegal and unconstitutional plan to attack iraq scott ritter URL saudi arabia may start fingerprinting americans URL blair warned war to oust saddam illegal yahoo groups sponsor home selling try us URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

using razorNUMBER via spamassasin system is solaris NUMBER NUMBER with qmail spamassassin run via user s procmail all users who use sa have run razor register razorNUMBER is failing and i can t find anything in the limited docs or on google on it and i m hoping someone can help the error which doesn t prevent sa from working is oct NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER sanchoNUMBER qmail NUMBER NUMBER delivery NUMBER success razorNUMBER_check_skipped _bad_file_number_can t_locate_object_m ethod_ new _via_package_ razorNUMBER client agent _ perhaps_you_forgot_to_load_ razorNUMBER client agent _at_ usr local lib perlNUMBER site_p erl NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER mail spamassassin URL _line_NUMBER did_NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER looking at URL doesn t really help me and razorNUMBER client agent appears to be in the right place in usr local lib perlNUMBER site_perl NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER razorNUMBER client ideas chris this URL email is sponsored by thinkgeek welcome to geek heaven URL _______________________________________________ razor users mailing list razor users URL URL

even better URL white house president s war boner must be satisfied the president can t seem to hide his excitement about a possible military conflict with iraq at a recent function honoring america s war widows bush sported a visible erection when his speech turned to the subject of the middle east believe me when i say this with or without the help of other nations with or without un approval we will penetrate iraq s borders with overwhelming force we will pound iraq over and over again without ceasing and once its leaders concede defeat we will seed iraq with american style democracy aides say the podium was scrubbed down thoroughly after the event with a special cleanser biocide not used since the clinton administration yahoo groups sponsor plan to sell a home URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

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what takes time and money noting the amounts of each correction and basing the refund delivery method on the amount yesh it s silly to spend NUMBER labor and materials for a NUMBER refund but maybe the only alternative right now is to create dichotomies that require even more time and labor or keep the money see john hall below your mailed refund is a function of bulk in jax we re on the verge of firing at t cable for horrible customer service and over charging what will probably happen if the amount of overage per customer is significant say NUMBER or more the refund will go directly to the customer if it s less the combined total amount will go to the city as lump sum settlement in your case maybe all the customers could vote on line where they d like their lump sum to go of courese they d have to be notified by mail first original message from fork admin URL mailto fork admin URL on behalf of john hall sent monday october NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm to fork URL subject re the absurdities of life they are legally required to do that i got a similar check because an insurance company didn t pay a claim quickly enough it might have been NUMBER although they spent lots more than NUMBER to mail you the check the alternative seems to be to keep the money do you really want companies to have a financial incentive to over bill you just a bit so they could keep it for a company with millions of customers NUMBER customer starts adding up from fork admin URL mailto fork admin URL on behalf of bitbitch URL so i get a check from pac bell today sbc as they re called now turns out they went to the trouble of printing out signing sealing and stamping a check just to refund me for a whole NUMBER NUMBER they easily spent more than this just getting the materials together why the hell do companies bother to do this crap i mean isn t there a bottom line in terms of cost effectiveness i don t think i missed the NUMBER but i sure as hell would have appreciated lower rates in lieu of being returned pennies i m truly stuck on this though i don t know whether to frame the check burn it or cash it in maybe i should find a way to return to sender so they have to spend more money on giving me my NUMBER dues does NUMBER even buy anything anymore funny bit of it is i couldn t even make a phone call these days boggled bb best regards bitbitch mailto bitbitch URL

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benoit claimed the prize for his size NUMBER feet in the female division of the competition three women tied for first place with size NUMBER feet winners took home a NUMBER gift certificate to either footlocker or barrie ltd well crap mine are size NUMBER if i d have known the contest was happening i would have gone said justin simon NUMBER the proud owner of size NUMBER feet a lot of the guys have bigger feet than that dexter upshaw NUMBER wears a size NUMBER simon said the NUMBER gift certificate would have almost paid for a new pair of shoes almost if you shop at payless but sure could have used the NUMBER anyway fel new cafe forteana is back URL URL weird page URL non text portions of this message have been removed yahoo groups sponsor home selling try us URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

helen mike wrote chat tends to be on irc quakenet forteana most nights i think this was done mainly because of troll infestation colin has control most nights on there and he keeps an eye on people and kicks them if they come in under assumed names or as soon as they show their true natures just call him billy goat gruff how do you sign up thanks kelly kelly same thing as when you used to come to frogstone on dalnet frogstone is still there and also forteana if you want to go to quakenet just change your server in mirc if that is what you use to that fel new cafe forteana is back URL URL weird page URL non text portions of this message have been removed yahoo groups sponsor plan to sell a home URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

i managed to get myself an imac yesterday just a gNUMBER but a good un and was wondering if any of the apple people on here could recommend a good isp for narrow band at the moment for getting online under os x stew my local isp works great with my imac i don t know what you guys have over there but os x ought to let you get online as well as anything else crossing my fingers though i did a upgrade to jaguar and ended up doing a scrape and install after that oh and i am on NUMBERk dialup fel new cafe forteana is back URL URL weird page URL non text portions of this message have been removed yahoo groups sponsor home selling try us URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

tom r URL URL which one s you i m actually taking the photo both figures are in fact waxworks this was in mme tussaud s in of all places sydney australia t damn it tom i had my kids believing you knew albert einstein well until the smart one asked just how old you were now fel new cafe forteana is back URL URL weird page URL non text portions of this message have been removed yahoo groups sponsor plan to sell a home URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

that goddess chick wrote thanks fel got no scanner my photo is in that group of NUMBER obsessive compulsive clipsters in ft NUMBER or NUMBER terry great and right now all my pre NUMBERs are in washington state in a cardboard box in a shed in the back of sydde s garage probably mice nests by now put a scanner on your christmas list right above world peace fel new cafe forteana is back URL URL maybe a kind soul with access to that issue and a scanner could scan it and forward to you terry i would appreciate that very much as i won t be getting back to washington until december fel new cafe forteana is back URL URL weird page URL non text portions of this message have been removed yahoo groups sponsor sell a home with ease URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

hi i try to rebuild xine from src package and i get these errors finding provides usr lib rpm find provides finding requires usr lib rpm find requires prereq rpmlib payloadfileshaveprefix NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER rpmlib compressedfilenames NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER requires rpmlib rpmlib payloadfileshaveprefix NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER rpmlib compressedfilenames NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER requires xine libs NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER bin sh obsoletes xine devel rpm build errors user dude does not exist using root user dude does not exist using root user dude does not exist using root user dude does not exist using root user dude does not exist using root file not found var tmp xine root usr bin aaxine thx roi _______________________________________________ rpm list mailing list rpm list freshrpms net URL

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quoting brendan kehoe brendan zen org as a workaround the various distributions could use a gpg singature to verify correctness of the file since the distributor s secret key is required to create that signature it would add a pretty significant step that would have to be taken to make it possible to replace both a rpm or apt file and its accompanying signature there are complex problems inherent in attempts to implement this URL cheers my pid is inigo montoya you kill NUMBER rick moen my parent process prepare to vi rick URL irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

brendan kehoe wrote as a workaround the various distributions could use a gpg singature to verify correctness of the file since the distributor s secret key is required to create that signature it would add a pretty significant step that would have to be taken to make it possible to replace both a rpm or apt file and its accompanying signature check your local friendly red hat installation root localhost upNUMBERdate rpm checksig zsh NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER src rpm zsh NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER src rpm mdNUMBER gpg ok of course this is only as useful as say the gpg keys distributed with the kernel tarballs i e if you don t actually bother checking the sig then you are open to abuse it s entirely possible that rpm can be configured to require good signatures but i ve not read that part of the fine manual just yet cheers waider waider URL yes it is very personal of me irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

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from the bbc website URL tuesday NUMBER october NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER gmt NUMBER NUMBER uk fake bank website cons victims west african criminals have used a fake version of a british bank s online service to milk victims of cash say police the fake site was used to squeeze more money out of people they had already hooked the site has been shut down but uk national criminal intelligence service ncis said at least two canadians had lost more than NUMBER NUMBER after being taken in by the fake website the scam behind the fake web domain was the familiar one that offers people a share of the huge sums of money they need moved out of various african nations ncis said the use of the web was helping the conmen hook victims that would otherwise spot the scam convincing site news of this latest scam was revealed by bbc radioNUMBERlive it found that an unclaimed web domain of a uk bank had been used by conmen to get more cash out their victims a ncis spokesman said the domain looked legitimate because it had the in front of the bank s name i have seen the microsite myself and it s very sophisticated said the ncis spokesman it s very convincing especially to people not very experienced online once the con was discovered it was quickly shut down however the people behind it have not been caught ncis does know that at least two people have lost more than NUMBER NUMBER the bank involved has bought up the domain used in the con as well as many other permutations of its name to limit the chance it could happen again domain games usually people are first hooked in to what has become known as advanced fee or NUMBER fraud by replying to an unsolicited fax or e mail offering a share of any cash successfully moved out of africa the NUMBER refers to the part of the nigerian penal code dealing with such crimes like any con there is no money to be moved at all and instead anyone taking the bait is asked to pay increasingly large sums to supposedly bribe uncooperative officials and to smooth the passage of the cash although this con has been practiced for years people still fall victim to it ncis estimates that up to five americans are sitting in hotel lobbies in london everyday waiting to meet people connected with this con cutting edge fraud often the conmen provide fake banking certificates to give the con an air of legitimacy people tricked into clicking on fake sites but a spokesman for ncis said fake or spoof websites are now being used in place of the certificates to many people nowadays the cutting edge of banking technology is web technology said the spokesman one of the first groups of conmen to use this method set up a fake website that supposedly gave victims access to accounts held at the south african reserve bank the country s national bank typically victims are given a login name and password and are encouraged to visit the site so they can see that the cash they are getting a share of has been deposited in their name but before they can get their hands on the cash the victims are typically asked to hand over more of their own money to help the transfer go ahead once the south african police discovered the ruse they declared it a national priority crime and soon arrested the NUMBER people behind it modern gloss an briefing paper prepared by ncis in august on organised crime noted that criminals were increasingly turning to the web to lure new victims and give old cons a modern gloss the ncis spokesman urged people who have fallen victim to NUMBER fraud to come forward and help it track down the perpetrators he said in the last two months it had arrested NUMBER people overseas involved with this type of fraud he said any e mail fax or letter making an offer that looks to good too be true undoubtedly is one of the first companies to fall victim to website spoofing was net payment service paypal conmen set up a fake site and asked people to visit and re enter their account and credit card details because paypal had lost the information the website link included in the e mail looked legitimate but in fact directed people to a fake domain that gathered details for the conmen s personal use yahoo groups sponsor sell a home for top URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

URL tuesday NUMBER october NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER gmt NUMBER NUMBER uk lennon killer seeks parole again the man who shot dead former beatle john lennon is making another bid for early release from prison the day before what would have been lennon s NUMBERnd birthday mark david chapman NUMBER was jailed for life after he admitted killing the superstar outside his new york apartment building in NUMBER it is the second time in two years that chapman has sought parole from attica state prison at a NUMBER hearing he argued that he was no longer a danger to society and had overcome the psychological problems which led him to shoot the ex beatle chapman had said that a voice in his head told him to shoot the star shot dead lennon was shot four times as he emerged from a limousine outside his new york city apartment on NUMBER december NUMBER he and his wife yoko ono were returning from a late night recording session during which time they had been working on walking on thin ice only hours before the shooting chapman who had come to new york from hawaii was photographed with the singer outside the same building as lennon signed a copy of his album double fantasy for him the killer said lennon had been just a picture on an album cover to him before the shooting deserved death chapman has said that he should have received the death penalty for his crime lennon s widow told the NUMBER parole hearing that she would not feel safe if chapman were released lennon s songwriting partnership with paul mccartney propelled the liverpool based pop group to international stardom and unparalleled commercial success the beatles front man peace campaigner and all round iconoclast would have been NUMBER on wednesday yahoo groups sponsor plan to sell a home URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

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URL evangelicals threat to new archbishop direct action threat over liberal views on sexuality stephen bates religious affairs correspondent tuesday october NUMBER NUMBER the guardian evangelical fundamentalists last night stepped up their campaign to oust rowan williams the incoming archbishop of canterbury before he even takes up his post by threatening to take direct action against him the council of the church society the church of england s oldest evangelical body joined a younger evangelical pressure group called reform which is also opposed to dr williams in calling on him to recant his supposedly liberal views on sexuality or stand down following an emergency meeting the NUMBER year old society whose leaders met the archbishop last week proclaimed their continued opposition to his appointment and called on all anglicans to spurn him the move is the latest stage of an increasingly aggressive attempt to destabilise the new archbishop whose leftwing political views are regarded with deep suspicion by the conservative fringes of the evangelical movement some evangelicals object to dr williams s acknowledgement that he has ordained a gay priest something many bishops have done and that those who have sex outside marriage need not necessarily be spurned the new archbishop has repeatedly assured them that he respects the canons of the church nevertheless the society said it is clear that he prefers his private judgment to the voice of scripture to the voice of tradition and to the common mind of the church as such he can only be a focus of disunity the council called upon loyal anglicans to pray specifically that rowan williams would see the error in his teaching change his views or stand down it said the society claimed to have drawn up an action plan including calling on bishops and primates of the NUMBER million worldwide anglican communion of which archbishops of canterbury are the leaders to distance themselves from dr williams s doctrinal and ethical position it promised it would be taking steps towards appropriate direct action it added that dr williams remained on the editorial board of a journal called theology and sexuality which six months ago published articles allegedly commending homosexual behaviour despite its claim the society does not represent the common mind of the church dr williams currently archbishop of wales was chosen by the crown appointments commission of church members including evangelicals and his appointment was endorsed by the prime minister and the queen he is due to succeed george carey who retires this month and will be formally enthroned at canterbury cathedral in february asked what form direct action might take the rev george curry the society s chairman said watch this space presumably it could involve a small minority of parishes repudiating the new archbishop and seeking alternative oversight or even demonstrations at services where dr williams is present church of england bishops who have hitherto largely kept their heads down during the row are meeting next week to discuss their response to the evangelical extremists challenge which appears to have grown in the absence of a robust rebuttal a letter by senior theologians in today s guardian however repudiates the evangelicals tactics calling them unseemly and contrary to biblical teaching on the bbc s thought for the day yesterday angela tilby vice principal of westcott house cambridge accused dr williams s opponents of presumption and blackmail it is in fact a thoroughly aggressive way to behave it is attempting to force an issue by emotional violence manipulating to get your way is often preferable to painstaking negotiation she said last week dr williams said he was deeply saddened matters of sexuality should not have the priority or centrality that reform and the church society have tried to give them the archbishop cannot withdraw his appointment since so many including evangelicals have urged him to take the post the archbishop believes it to be his duty under god yahoo groups sponsor sell a home with ease URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

URL weevil pest warms to life in south west london james meek science correspondent tuesday october NUMBER NUMBER the guardian they re chomping in chelsea fulham and pimlico but despite their fancy taste in london addresses they are neither posh nor particularly fussy they are vine weevils and they want to eat your plants two species of vine weevil previously unable to survive britain s cold winters have been discovered in south west london and one has also been detected in surrey cardiff and edinburgh this is probably the most serious new garden pest in recent memory said max barclay the curator of beetles at the natural history museum in london who discovered the creatures in the uk the black vine weevil has long been native to britain causing enormous damage to glossy leaved plants such as laurels but the two new species otiorhynchus armadillo and otiorhynchus salicicola not previously known north of switzerland are now prevalent in south london it s very likely these weevils have been introduced to britain through imported ornamental plants from italy said dr barclay it looks like they re here to stay he found otiorhynchus armadillo on the window of a chelsea department store in NUMBER but as the shop sold imported house plants he assumed it was a migrant it has now quietly become the most common species of vine weevil in south west london the second invader is not so numerous but has established itself firmly in the same area apart from laurels vine weevils attack bay viburnum ornamental ivy and grape vines an early sign of trouble is that notches appear in leaves the soil dwelling larvae bite the roots off below the surface one possible explanation for the invaders successful colonisation of britain is global warming earlier springs and milder winters are already a fact yahoo groups sponsor sell a home with ease URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

nobel honors NUMBER for astrophysics work tuesday october NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm stockholm sweden ap two americans and a japanese won the nobel prize in physics tuesday for using some of the most obscure particles and waves in nature to understand the workings of astronomy s grandest wonders riccardo giacconi NUMBER of the associated universities inc in washington d c will get half of the NUMBER million prize for his role in pioneering contributions to astrophysics which have led to the discovery of cosmic x ray sources raymond davis jr NUMBER of the university of pennsylvania shares the other half of the prize with japanese scientist masatoshi koshiba NUMBER of the university of tokyo the two men pioneered the construction of giant underground chambers to detect neutrinos elusive particles that stream from the sun by the billion neutrinos offer an unparalleled view of the sun s inner workings because they are produced in its heart by the same process that causes it to shine in fact davis early experiments performed during the NUMBERs in a south dakota gold mine confirmed that the sun is powered by nuclear fusion koshiba won his share of the prize for his work at the kamiokande neutrino detector in japan that experiment confirmed and extended davis work and also discovered neutrinos coming from distant supernova explosions some of the brightest objects in the universe the italian born giacconi a u s citizen was awarded half of the prize for building the first x ray telescopes that provided completely new and sharp images of the universe the academy said his research laid the foundation for x ray astronomy which has led to the discovery of black holes and allowed researchers to peer deep into the hearts of the dusty young galaxies where stars are born when academy officials reached giacconi by phone at his home outside washington he said he was dumbstruck to learn of the prize koshiba also was phoned at home in tokyo but the academy was still trying to reach davis spokesman erling norrby said this year s nobel awards started monday with the naming of britons sydney brenner NUMBER and sir john e sulston NUMBER and american h robert horvitz NUMBER as winners of the medicine prize selected by a committee at the karolinska institute the researchers shared it for discoveries about how genes regulate organ growth and a process of programmed cell deaths that shed light on how viruses and bacteria invade human cells including in conditions such as aids strokes cancer and heart attacks the winner of the nobel prize in chemistry will be named on wednesday morning and the bank of sweden prize in economic sciences in memory of alfred nobel later the same day the literature prize winner will be announced on thursday the swedish academy said on tuesday the winner of the coveted peace prize the only one not awarded in sweden will be announced friday in oslo norway the award committees make their decisions in deep secrecy and candidates are not publicly revealed for NUMBER years alfred nobel the wealthy swedish industrialist and inventor of dynamite who endowed the prizes left only vague guidelines for the selection committees in his will he said the prize being revealed on tuesday should be given to those who shall have conferred the greatest benefit on mankind and shall have made the most important discovery or invention within the field of physics the royal swedish academy of sciences which also chooses the chemistry and economics winners invited nominations from previous recipients and experts in the fields before cutting down its choices deliberations are conducted in strict secrecy the prizes are presented on dec NUMBER the anniversary of nobel s death in NUMBER in stockholm and in oslo on the net nobel site URL yahoo groups sponsor plan to sell a home URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

URL lioness adopts fifth antelope rory carroll africa correspondent tuesday october NUMBER NUMBER the guardian kamuniak the dysfunctional lioness has forfeited another meal by adopting her fifth baby oryx this year an aberration of nature which has baffled wildlife experts the young lioness in the samburu national park in northern kenay adopted her latest baby at the weekend a wildlife service warden said yesterday each time kamuniak whose name means the blessed one in the local samburu tongue has tried to protect the antelopes from other predators and allowed the natural mothers to feed them unfortunately for her one oryx ended up in the belly of a male lion while kamuniak slept the others were either rescued by wardens or retrieved by their natural mothers the wardens think the latest adoptee nicknamed naisimari taken by force was adopted at the weekend she must have adopted her on sunday because they are in harmony said gabriel lepariyo a warden naisimari s natural mother has been seen shadowing the odd couple at a distance theories to explain the phenonemon abound not having her own cubs kamuniak is lonely she is colour blind and short sighted and thinks the calves are cubs the oryx were too frail to flee breaking the classic prey behaviour and confusing the hunter kamuniak wants to be a vegetarian kamuniak wants to be loved yahoo groups sponsor sell a home with ease URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

ananova dracula theme park could be switched to bucharest a controversial scheme to build a dracula theme park in romania could be switched away from transylvania consultants pricewaterhousecoopers is now recommending that it be built in bucharest instead it comes after prince charles led international protests against the original proposals to build it in the medieval town of sigishoara pricewaterhousecoopers name bucharest originally believed to be an outsider in the race to host the park as the most profitable location for the project but that has angered residents in sigishoara where vlad the impaler the inspiration for dracula was born they are counting on the park to boost the local economy evenimentul zilei reports that sigishoara was placed behind the capital with the black sea port of constanta third choice dorin danesan mayor of sigishoara said the pre feasibility report from pwc shows that the park would attract more tourists if it was located in bucharest but i still think that sigishoara is the best location for it the park would include hotels a dracula roller coaster catacombs a ghost train and a house of horrors as well as vampire dungeons located around a reconstruction of dracula s castle and an artificial lake the project has also been objected to by the world heritage organisation unesco fearing sigishoara might be spoilt pricewaterhousecoopers is to present its final report on the project on october NUMBER story filed NUMBER NUMBER tuesday NUMBERth october NUMBER yahoo groups sponsor plan to sell a home URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

ananova newspaper s readers complain over let s have sex picture caption readers of an african newspaper have complained after a picture caption about jewellery contained the words let s have sex the mix up highlights the problems caused by the wide range of languages spoken in namibia callers to the namibian were angered by the use of the word tulumweni which translates roughly as let s have intercourse in the oshiwambo language it was used in a caption concerning people in the caprivi who use rings from the femidon female condom as jewellery according to the the namibian an activist involved in care for aids hiv patients spelt the word tulumweni for the journalist he intended it to mean you will see for yourselves in the siyeyi tongue one caller said the complainants should be considerate of other people s languages it is very clear that the picture was taken in the caprivi and that the word is from siyeyi it is not oshiwambo others indicated that various words might have different meanings in various namibian languages such as omakende an oshiwambo word for glasses which in siyeyi means testicles another word with a double meaning is tulikunde which in oshiwambo translates as let s talk but which in sisubiya translates as let s have intercourse the herero word for a hat is ekoli which is an oshiwambo word for a vagina story filed NUMBER NUMBER tuesday NUMBERth october NUMBER yahoo groups sponsor NUMBER dvds free s p join now URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

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rohit khare wrote why am i so passionate about decentralization because i believe some of today s most profound problems with networked applications are caused by centralization generically a centralized political or economic system permits only one answer to a question while decentralization permits many separate agents to hold different opinions of the same matter in the specific context of software centralized variables can only contain one valid value at a time that limits us to only representing information a according to the beliefs of a single agency and b that changes more slowly than it takes to propagate nevertheless centralization is the basis for today s most popular architectural style for developing network applications client server interaction using request response communication protocols i think the ability to maintain an inconsistent database is key to decentralization databases enforce consistenty with every transaction bounded transactions like an atm enforce consistency by have some play with time and value most people keep inconsistent data in their heads it s called congnitive dissonance theory most businesses keep inconsistent data documents tationale and ideas to support their work activities it s called real life i don t think it matters so much where it s located i e decentralization i think that decentralization is the workaround from technical limitations the fallout being that the only way inconsistent information spaces can be maintained is by protecting them through a set of trust barriers and boundaries the local information when combined with the technical troubles of providing just enough forced synchronization to remote information provide workable data consistenty i e enforcing local constraints or ignoring global ones when concerns are more immedidate tolerating temporary irreconcilable deviations is how people cope otherwise you d be like nick gatsby unnecessarily pre occupied with a spot of shaving cream on mckee s neck who thinks that if he can just wipe that spot off that the whole world would be a little more perfect and everything including his pre occupation with daisy would consistently be in its proper place greg

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on tue NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER at NUMBER NUMBER john moylan wrote hmm speaking of cheap machines etc has anyone tried this sort of thing URL or more importantly has anyone had any positive negative experiences with the via mini itx boards via cNUMBER processors i recall a thread last year about building a custom mpNUMBER cd game vcd recorder machine these systems seem to hit the mark also i need to build a new box and i was thinking about something that would be as unobtrusive as possible in my living room john the forums there are very informative and there is also more info on using linux on the mini itx boards at URL a couple of the autopc projects make interesting reading in this regard URL but most of them seem to use windows for some unknown reason hth phil irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL

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on tue NUMBER aug NUMBER micgranger URL wrote concerning this mail what is your intention when posting to this list excerpts from books i ve just read i usually refrain from adding any comments letting the listmembers interpret them as they see fit but since you asked i chose to post this text simply because i thought it was a particularly risible example of doyle s invincible faith and his refusal to accept the fucking obvious bc yahoo groups sponsor NUMBER dvds free s p join now URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

david asked my wife noticed something odd the nearly full moon was about NUMBER degrees above the horizon there was a notable glow on the horizon except under the moon the moon seemed to be in a column of darkness that was about three times the apparent width of the moon we could see the column over its entire length as a strip of sky darker than the sky around it any of you ever see this do you have any idea what could have caused it i suspect it s due to some pecularity of the visual system but have no clear idea i m surprised to not find this phenomenon in corlis i could have sworn i saw it there he does have the somewhat similar dark sky between a rainbow and a secondary bow i personally have seen a rainbow enclosing a semi circle of darker sky i know i ve read about pillars under the sun and moon elsewhere but i can t recall if they were reportedly dark or bright i do know these sorts of things are supposed to be quirks of optics not of the visual system i m sorry i haven t got any answers but a search through some books on atmospheric optics ought to turn a few hints up bill william jacobs freelance unemployed person yahoo groups sponsor NUMBER dvds free s p join now URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

peter fwded finally constable evans hurled a thong at the animal hitting it on the head i know this isn t quite as funny to australians as it is to everyone else honestly rachel not that walloping it with a flip flop isn t hilarious too well unless you used the thong like a sling shot fel URL weird page URL non text portions of this message have been removed yahoo groups sponsor NUMBER dvds free s p join now URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

david asked my wife noticed something odd the nearly full moon was about NUMBER degrees above the horizon there was a notable glow on the horizon except under the moon the moon seemed to be in a column of darkness that was about three times the apparent width of the moon we could see the column over its entire length as a strip of sky darker than the sky around it any of you ever see this do you have any idea what could have caused it i suspect it s due to some pecularity of the visual system but have no clear idea bill jacobs i m surprised to not find this phenomenon in corlis i could have sworn i saw it there he does have the somewhat similar dark sky between a rainbow and a secondary bow i personally have seen a rainbow enclosing a semi circle of darker sky i know i ve read about pillars under the sun and moon elsewhere but i can t recall if they were reportedly dark or bright i do know these sorts of things are supposed to be quirks of optics not of the visual system i m sorry i haven t got any answers but a search through some books on atmospheric optics ought to turn a few hints up some links comprehensive URL atmospheric light phenomena URL interesting observational stuff from the prior millenium including pix click NUMBER colour plates URL more pix many of which flip to negative to highlight details hover cursor URL and subsequent links john k yahoo groups sponsor NUMBER dvds free s p join now URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

an illusionist has emerged after NUMBER hours underwater in a case in new york s times square i d just like to recommend the newest viz to ukers just for the hilarious david blaine stalag magician the ego d one is in a wwii prison camp and sort of trying to escape several times he seems to have escaped and the british officers celebrate before it s revealed he s been buried alive or hiding in a freezer at one point he s asked why and says well it s not for publicity cracking stuff stew stewart smith scottish microelectronics centre university of edinburgh URL yahoo groups sponsor NUMBER dvds free s p join now URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

so now osama bin laden is hitler and saddam hussein is hitler and george bush is fighting the nazis someone should shout godwin at him at a press conference then he d have to shut up or does that only work on usenet stew stewart smith scottish microelectronics centre university of edinburgh URL yahoo groups sponsor NUMBER dvds free s p join now URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

on tue NUMBER aug NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER est jay lake jlake jlake com wrote snip second one could make the assumption that ancient or future civilizations would not be hydrocarbon based there are alternative fuel sources including seabed methane biomass and all the usual suspects solar hydro etc some of these could be exploited on a decidedly low tech ie emergent civilization basis however it is difficult to conceive of an industrial civilization that doesn t employ wheels axles and bearings all of which require lubrication i m not an engineer robin anyone but it s my understanding that vegetable lubrication breaks down under stress and that oil or graphite lubricants are the only reasonable choices for high temperature high rotation applications at least prior to extremely advanced modes of chemical synthesis this is a good point there are a lot of alternatives to hydrocarbon products derived from petroleum but these have often been developed as a replacement for petroleum after the technology has been established there is a growing industry in plant derived plastics and lubricants but this is to replicate materials that have been previously created much more easily within the petrochemical industry vegetable derived lubricants have been used the russians used sunflower oil in the lubrication systems of tanks and trucks during the second world war and work is being done in the uk to produce diesel fuel derived from waste cooking oil from fast food restaurants jay s correct in his opinion that vegetable oil is not as durable as petroleum oil but this is only because of the lack of sophistication of the chemistry involved synthetic fuels and lubricants are continuously being developed and i don t see any problems with synthetics ultimately matching the performance of the more conventional products as the rock oil runs out plant oil derivatives will be developed to fill the gap in parallel changes will occur in the designs of the machines to cope with any changes in performance of the lubricants my big concern is if the technology were ever to be lost for some reason re creating a petrochemical industry from scratch without petrochemicals that is going immediately to plant based synthetics would be extremely difficult especially if it were necessary to recreate all of the petrochemical derived products not just lubricants and fuels i suspect that bearing in mind the ingenuity of the human race it would happen just at a different pace imagine an industrial revollution based on for example methane from pig manure or diesel oil from sunflowers all we would then have to do is get used to all the machines smelling like pig farms and fish and chip shops robin hill steamy bess brough east yorkshire this email and any attachments are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be privileged if you are not the intended recipient please delete it from your system and notify the sender you should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose or distribute its contents to any other person yahoo groups sponsor NUMBER dvds free s p join now URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

URL tuesday NUMBER august NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER gmt NUMBER NUMBER uk cambodia temple ruins yield treasure workers clearing dense jungle near the ruins of an ancient pagoda in northern cambodia have unearthed NUMBER buddha statues NUMBER of them solid gold the statues which are NUMBER centimetres NUMBER inches tall are in good condition and believed to be hundreds of years old they were found on saturday as workers were rebuilding the po pich temple about NUMBER km NUMBERmiles north of the capital phnom penh the pagoda in the batay district of kampong thom province was torn down during the reign of the khmer rouge in the NUMBERs and the area became overgrown community care deputy police chief of kampong thom province hang sithim said the statues three of which were silver and one bronze were buried in about one metre NUMBER NUMBERft of earth and each weigh around NUMBER grams NUMBERlb i think that these buddha statues had been buried hundreds of years ago when the last temple was fully operating mr hang sithim said provincial authorities initially planned to take the statues to a nearby town for safekeeping but opted to allow the buddhist community at the temple to take care of them we believe they are safe there said som somphat deputy governor of kampong thom province the people of po pich pledged to treat them with respect and honour reign of terror a police guard has been placed around the site to protect it from looters the khmer rouge waged civil war in cambodia between NUMBER and NUMBER and controlled the country between NUMBER and NUMBER the regime outlawed religion and destroyed many objects regarded as decadent or culturally impure about two million people died in the khmer rouge s drive to turn cambodia into a farmers utopia yahoo groups sponsor NUMBER dvds free s p join now URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

URL britons stand tall if slightly heavy in europe john carvel social affairs editor wednesday august NUMBER NUMBER the guardian not every european dimension has been harmonised in brussels yet according to the department for trade and industry the average briton stands head shoulders girth and bottoms above their continental partners the figures come in a new edition of the department s handbook of anthropometric and strength measurements compiled by ergonomists at the university of nottingham to help manufacturers design products to fit people s shape the volume provides NUMBER measurements ranging from the distance between the inner corners of the eyes to the length of the leg between the crease below the buttock to the crease at the back of the knee it has discovered that the average british man is NUMBER millimetres NUMBER inches taller than his french counterpart the mean height of uk citizens is NUMBER NUMBER NUMBERmm NUMBERft NUMBERin among european men only the dutch are taller averaging NUMBER NUMBERmm and with a clear height advantage over the us men s average of NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER the average british woman is NUMBER NUMBERmm tall just under NUMBERft NUMBERin compared with NUMBER NUMBERmm for her french counterpart NUMBER NUMBERmm for the italians and NUMBER NUMBERmm for the germans swedish women average NUMBER NUMBERmm dutch NUMBER NUMBERmm and americans NUMBER NUMBER NUMBERmm more disturbingly british men and women are heavier than all the other nationalities except the americans averaging NUMBER NUMBER kilos for british men and NUMBER NUMBER for women the average british woman has a chest measurement of NUMBER NUMBER NUMBERmm NUMBER NUMBER inches compared with NUMBERmm for the italians NUMBER NUMBERmm for the japanese and NUMBERmm for sri lankans american women also top this scale with an average of NUMBER NUMBER NUMBERmm the average british woman s waist is NUMBER NUMBERmm NUMBER inches also second largest behind the americans but her bottom at NUMBER NUMBERmm is considerably smaller than the italians at NUMBERmm who beat the americans into second place the average british male foot is NUMBER NUMBERmm long NUMBER NUMBER inches NUMBERmm longer than the french and germans NUMBERmm more than the italians and NUMBERmm more than the swedes but they are just beaten by the americans at NUMBER NUMBERmm and massively outstripped by the dutch at NUMBERmm however dutch women have daintier feet than the british averaging NUMBERmm compared with NUMBER NUMBERmm in the uk NUMBER NUMBER inches german women average NUMBERmm compared with NUMBERmm for the swedes and NUMBER NUMBERmm for the americans the dti has a less than exhaustive record of ring finger lengths but on the available evidence the british man s finger at NUMBER NUMBERmm NUMBER NUMBER inches is NUMBER NUMBERmm longer than his german counterpart but NUMBER NUMBERmm shorter than the american average the british woman s ring finger at NUMBER NUMBERmm is NUMBER NUMBERmm smaller than her german counterpart and NUMBER NUMBERmm smaller than the american beverley norris research fellow at nottingham university s institute for occupational ergonomics said the figures were useful for product designers the department has recently completed a study of the pulling force needed to open ring pull cans yahoo groups sponsor NUMBER dvds free s p join now URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

the electronic telegraph emigrate to russia that s a steppe too far filed NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER so you think you ve got it bad fed up with folkestone bored with birmingham or sick of sheffield those NUMBER per cent of britons according to a daily telegraph yougov survey this week who dream of a stress free life in sunnier climes should perhaps heed a word of friendly advice on the realities of living abroad kommersant a russian daily newspaper yesterday offered those dissatisfied with life in blair s britain a taste of what to expect should they choose to emigrate to provincial russia after reading about the gripes of affluent britons its tongue in cheek article admitted however that the grass was not always greener on the other side the inhabitants of foggy albion keen to travel could go to any russian city deep in the provinces where things are quiet said kommersant in any central russian district life by british standards is unseemingly cheap and remarkably laid back by NUMBERam most of the working population are becoming traditionally relaxed the time for elevenses in britain perhaps the opportunity for a quiet cup of tea and a chocolate hobnob is known in russia as the wolf hour it was so named in soviet times because at NUMBERam a wolf appeared from the famous animal clock at the obrasov puppet theatre in moscow it is also opening time in the nation s vodka shops and the vodka like all other spirits is cheap kommersant pointed out that the money a briton can earn from selling even the most shabby house would be enough to support them at the local standard of living for the rest of their life the local shops are full of all they would need and they could buy a bottle of whisky for kopecks there are NUMBER kopecks in a ruble and the ruble is currently worth about a halfpenny in sterling the whisky is cheap however because it is unlike anything the average briton will have consumed before it is made of samagon home distilled moonshine vodka coloured with tea and is a popular beverage in rural areas and among diehard alcoholics while alcohol is plentiful and cheap food may not be so easy to come by the newspaper pointed out that traditional british foodstuffs it selected oxtail soup as an example were in short supply however the wealth of the british settler should overcome the difficulty for a modest reward in most russian villages the locals would happily cut off the tails from the entire collective farm s herd of cattle one or two potential emigrés might be deterred by language difficulties there are few english speakers to be found among the green hills of tula on the mongolian border however kommersant pointed out language difficulties were not considered a deterrent by the NUMBER per cent of britons who nominated france as the country in which they would like to live france the russian paper claimed was a country where english is only known by the beggars belorussian prostitutes and russian tourists despite the low cost of living and the easy going lifestyle the russian weather remains a major stumbling block for britons even in the most temperate regions winter temperatures of NUMBERc are common and somewhere like the sakha republic east of siberia and the coldest place in the world enjoys just one month of summer and endures winter temperatures that drop below NUMBERc houses are built on concrete stilts because the permafrost makes digging foundations impossible again the russian paper had a word of reassurance while acknowledging the climatic problems it said that thanks to global warming this difficulty will solve itself kommersant also had an answer to the labour crisis that would be created in britain if NUMBER per cent of its citizens decided to opt for a life in russia thirty three million russians could be sent to britain to replace the NUMBER million who leave we think that the required number could probably be found amongst our citizens unfortunately for those NUMBER million russians however not one of those britons surveyed who wanted to move abroad nominated the russian steppes as their preferred new home yahoo groups sponsor NUMBER dvds free s p join now URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

the electronic telegraph six arrested for attacking palio jockey who defected by bruce johnston in rome filed NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER police waded into the intrigues and enmities surrounding the palio siena s traditional bareback horse race for the first time yesterday arresting six people for beating up a star jockey who defected to a rival team angry spectators attack giuseppe pes at the palio horse race in siena giuseppe pes a champion jockey of sardinian extraction who has won the palio nine times in NUMBER runs was closely associated with the istrice or porcupine contrada section of town until the race earlier this month istrice did not have a horse in the contest only NUMBER of the NUMBER contradas take part in each palio but despite promises to the contrary moments before the off mr pes mounted the horse of lupa or she wolf lupa are istrice s historic rivals and the defection was not taken well lupa did not win victory going instead to tartuca tortoise as its supporters erupted into joyous celebrations mr pes was pulled from his mount by istrice members and savagely beaten and kicked for seven minutes mr pes NUMBER whose jacket with his contrada s colours was torn from his back was sent to hospital with fractures cuts and bruises three of his attendants who tried to intervene were also beaten police yesterday arrested six people they said had been identified as the attackers from video footage experts said it was the first time that members of a contrada known as contradaioli had been arrested for beating up a jockey despite the fact that such episodes belong to the race s ancient traditions the palio which was first raced in the NUMBERth century is held twice a year on the cobbles of siena s main square for weeks beforehand supporters parade through the city singing waving flags and wearing their contrada colours but by the day of the race the good humour evaporates the event has no rules and is prepared for and run amid an extraordinary undercurrent of intrigue and even violence jockeys may swap sides at the last minute take bribes and whip rivals horses and more so long as they do not grab their reins the origins of the contrada lie in the middle ages when the neighbourhoods boundaries were set out to aid the many mercenary companies hired to defend siena s fiercely earned independence from florence and other city states the first palio of the year takes place on july NUMBER to commemorate the miracles of the madonna of provenzano and a second race on aug NUMBER marks the feast of the assumption of the virgin yahoo groups sponsor NUMBER dvds free s p join now URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

URL hamza s horrid but we must tolerate him rod liddle wednesday august NUMBER NUMBER the guardian sheikh abu hamza al masri our maddest of mad mullahs and a cartoon bogeyman to scare the kiddies spent a quiet and contemplative bank holiday playing with his own children in victoria park hackney i ve often wondered what incendiary islamic fundamentalist clerics do on statutory public holidays head for the beach and maybe swing by b q on the way home i had hoped i had this beguiling vision of hamza paddling in the sea an ice cream cone in his one good hand the waves tickling his shins and the sheikh mentally preparing to fix those pesky shelves in the kitchen for once instead of planning the extermination of zionism and america and maybe me and you too but b q and a day at the seaside is probably beyond hamza s budget since the bank of england froze his assets so victoria park had to do but he sounded happy enough when i spoke to him with the babble of tiny cheerful islamic proto warriors in the background you must know hamza he s the imam designed it would seem by the daily mail s cartoonist mac large metal hook in place of a left hand one eye covered by a patch the other a baleful watchful milky white we don t mock the disabled any more these days unless it s someone like hamza whom we don t like then if you ll excuse the inapt phraseology the gloves come off so hamza is known with that vaulting imagination typical of the british right as captain hook in articles which usually call for his arrest or extradition to the us or deportation back home to egypt or maybe off to pakistan or afghanistan where he fought the russians for years and thus sustained his disabilities anywhere really just out of here and if we can t lock him up or chuck him out of the country maybe we can force him to shut up because we don t like hamza very much we weren t that fond of him before september NUMBER but afterwards in that nervy paranoid few months when we all thought the sky might fall in our disapprobation turned into political persecution and now the daily mirror is agitating again for his arrest because they ve got hold of secret videos of the man behaving in an even more inflammatory manner urging warfare on and looting of enemies of islam all out of context and a very long time ago says the imam not unduly bothered but perhaps he should be because our reputation for broad mindedness and tolerance towards people like hamza was thinning even before the mirror s scoop hamza preaches or preached at the scary finsbury park mosque so earlier this year the charity commissioners banned him from doing so because of his allegedly inflammatory remarks i didn t know charity commissioners were meant to do stuff like that he has had his passport seized and not returned his assets have been frozen he is tailed by the police every now and then and his access to the media is restricted by internal policing within broadcasting corporations and the press and this last point is because we tell ourselves endlessly repeating the mantra over and over again and fervently wishing it to be true hamza is not representative of british muslims as if british muslims were a simple homogenous thing with a single voice that one could turn to every now and then for explanation and perhaps succour the trouble is in the first month or so after the twin towers attack he was revealed to be rather more representative than the list of those government approved muslim spokesmen who were uncomfortably i suspect dragooned briefly into statements of support for the war against terrorism and a blanket condemnation of the taliban an opinion poll commissioned by radio NUMBER s today programme revealed that an overwhelming majority of british muslims were against george bush s crusade one in six were to put it mildly ambivalent about the attack on the us the remainder condemned the attack unequivocally a large majority thought the war against terrorism was a war against islam which is what hamza said repeatedly but it was something that at the time we didn t want to hear now if you quiz the man on present policy at home and abroad he comes across superficially at least as someone from the liberal left no war against iraq britain to become independent of us foreign policy and attempt rapprochement with arab states stronger action against israel mistrust of global capitalism redistribution of wealth nor is he particularly anti semitic so far as i can tell although i don t suppose he will be holidaying in eilat this year in yesterday s guardian the chief rabbi expressed a willingness to talk to hamza and was grateful for the sheikh s message of condolence when a london synagogue was attacked which is not to say that hamza is a peaceable jeffersonian democrat who has been wilfully misrepresented he is without question rather more inflammatory in private sermons to his own people than he is in public his ideology is an arid and uncompromising interpretation of islam he would be happy in a truly islamic society to stone women to death for adultery for example you and i would find many perhaps most of his views utterly repellent and that s the point because hamza is the true test of our apparent desire to be multicultural multiculturalism is not surely the cheerful appropriation of bits of inoffensive minority cultural behaviour by the ruling hegemony that is a sort of syncopated monoculturalism multiculturalism is rather the ability of society to tolerate views that are antithetical to the dominant culture and maybe learn from them the fbi has been investigating hamza but of course has found nothing remotely incriminating the real reason for his vilification and persecution is simply the pungency of his views it is often said that we should shut him up or arrest him because his rhetoric increases hostility against the muslim population generally this is a perfectly noble argument but it does not wash you don t defuse a difficult situation by pretending it doesn t exist and if british muslims maybe a minority maybe not feel a growing sense of unease or mystification at the direction of western foreign policy it is not because they have been led in that direction by hamza shutting the man up therefore won t make a difference it is rather as louis macneice had it the glass is falling hour by hour the glass will fall for ever but if you break the bloody glass you won t hold up the weather yahoo groups sponsor NUMBER dvds free s p join now URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

URL pro hunt activists target top sight one of yorkshire s most famous sights yesterday became one of the first targets in bizarre attacks on white horse landmarks linked to the hunting debate villagers near thirsk could not believe their eyes when they woke yesterday to find the famous white horse of kilburn had acquired a rider during the night in another incident the uffington white horse in oxfordshire had a huntsman and three hounds added to the ancient figure which is thought to represent a celtic god or tribal symbol pro hunt activists in the real countryside alliance rca a radical alternative to the better known countryside alliance admitted responsibility last night for targeting the two images the NUMBERft by NUMBERft landmark at kilburn has been lovingly preserved since it was carved in the limestone by schoolmaster john hodgson and his pupils in NUMBER but during monday night someone nailed on a massive figure of a huntsman with a horn which had been cut to scale out of a single piece of white carpet it was removed yesterday by members of kilburn white horse association who found a countryside alliance badge attached to the carpet john roberts of the association said it has obviously been very well organised it was a well crafted piece of kit a figure of a huntsman with a horn cut out of carpets it was big and impressive and could be seen for miles about they tied it to bushes at the top and nailed it down it caused all the stone chippings to be pushed downwards which will help turn the white horse grey it will not get another refit for another year whoever did it must have come with a vehicle a tractor and trailer or a lorry because the carpet must have come in one piece it was extremely well planned and took several people an hour and a half to get it off the sculpture needs constant work because unlike chalk horses in the south of england it is cut into limestone which is the wrong colour and needs whitening mr roberts added the damage as such is not great but it adds to the deterioration which means it will need more work next time we would have more sympathy if having made the point they would come to take it away again because it was a major job andy wilson chief executive of the north york moors national park said it is a scheduled ancient monument and the local residents are very proud of it and go to enormous trouble to keep it white there is also careful consideration of what shape it should be kept with the constant growth of vegetation so you can understand the alarm and regret at any changes there has not been a cut in the turf which would be much more of a problem it would seem it was carefully plotted beforehand an rca spokesman said some people in the country are getting very frustrated at the inaction all we want is ministers to take notice marches don t seem to be doing anything good the countryside alliance said it did not have any part in the action spokesman adrian yelland said the countryside alliance only ever advocates campaigning that is lawful and dissociates itself from acts of vandalism and regrets any damage that may have been caused by this incident the incident follows graffiti on road signs and motorway bridges in yorkshire thought to be rca work yahoo groups sponsor NUMBER dvds free s p join now URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

from todays sun URL your vote on crop idol by oliver harvey welcome to crop idol your chance to choose britain s most out of this wor ld corn circle the intricate patterns which some say are the work of aliens are big news again thanks to the spooky new mel gibson film signs nine of the best are shown on the right you can vote for your favourite by clicking on the image and dialling the number shown beneath calls cost only NUMBERp or NUMBER cents from the republic of ireland though it ma y be a bit more if you contact us from other planets lines close at NUMBERpm today we will reveal the winner tomorrow aliens or hoaxers the debate continues to rage over the origin of crop circles many believe they are simply the work of human hoaxers while others are c onvinced they are made by aliens trying to communicate with us crop circle enthusiasts insist that some of the designs appear so quickly a nd on such a vast scale that it is impossible for humans to have made them witnesses even claim to have seen balls of light moving through the fields on the nights that circles appear researchers have found connections between some patterns and symbols from a ncient religions mathematics and even music crop circles were first spotted in britain in the early NUMBERs and now appea r throughout the world the weird outlines are still most common in the sout h of england theories about their cause include whirlwinds known to circle experts as plasma vortexes earth energies from ley lines or even forces from the huma n mind in the past the circles have also been blamed on mating roe deer hedgehogs helicopters and holes in the ozone layer raymond cox chairman of the centre for crop circle studies said last nigh t it s a great unsolved mystery we know not all crop circles are created by humans but we cannot say for s ure what is making them plus lots of photos yahoo groups sponsor NUMBER dvds free s p join now URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

sheikh abu hamza al masri our maddest of mad mullahs and a cartoon bogeyman to scare the kiddies spent a quiet and contemplative bank holiday playing with his own children in victoria park hackney for an alternative and rather more factually based rundown on hamza s career including his belief that all non muslims in yemen should be murdered outright URL martin yahoo groups sponsor NUMBER dvds free s p join now URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

the times august NUMBER NUMBER it s august and big cats are on the prowl by alan hamilton round up the sheep pull on the gauntlets oil the shotgun the british countryside is crawling with pumas black panthers fen tigers and other big vicious cats no corner of the nation is safe evidence released yesterday including sightings photographs paw prints livestock kills and hair samples claims to prove that every county has big cats lurking in its undergrowth poised to pounce on man and beast alike sightings have reached record levels in NUMBER according to daniel bamping founder of the british big cats society which in the past NUMBER months has received more than NUMBER reports of big cat sightings during the first six months we have seen an incredible amount of big cat activity we have now had reports in every single county the response from the public has been fantastic mr bamping said big cats in britain are real they are out there they are breeding there s more of them scotland and gloucestershire are said to be hotspots of big cat activity mark fraser who heads the society s scottish arm said lynx are now present in the scottish countryside i believe they are established and breeding i don t want to hazard a guess at the numbers suffice it to say there are several hotspots notably fife aberdeenshire inverness and the borders next month the society plans to unveil its full dossier of evidence which includes two dead wild cats pictures of paw prints and tree scratchings as well as stories of a horse strangely lacerated in west wales and a man in gravesham kent who had to beat a hasty retreat to his garage after his hand was cut by a creature the size of a labrador dog except that it had black hairy tufts on the tips of its ears the society is taking the sightings seriously it plans to set up a network of trigger cameras throughout the country to capture further evidence of the beasts which it will then present to the government it is not however clear on what it wants the government to do about it all throwing its weight behind the pro hunting lobby might be a start next in august record abductions by aliens yahoo groups sponsor NUMBER dvds free s p join now URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

the hunting community showing yet again how utterly out of touch they are though the anti esso sign on the long man made me smirk last week from carol the white horses at uffington and kilburn have had hunters painted onto them to keep the pro hunt image in the media URL boggle how can the pro hunt people think this will help their cause carol giant horse images defaced by hunting activists pro hunt activists have defaced two of the country s national monuments the two giant white horses to highlight their cause campaigners for the real countryside alliance say they targeted the two images on hills in oxfordshire and north yorkshire to keep the pro hunt thing in the papers ananova giant horse images defaced by hunting activists pro hunt activists have defaced two of the country s national monuments the two giant white horses to highlight their cause campaigners for the real countryside alliance say they targeted the two images on hills in oxfordshire and north yorkshire to keep the pro hunt thing in the papers aerial shots show the NUMBERft long bronze age image on the berkshire downs near uffington in oxfordshire complete with three white hounds and a rider in north yorkshire a rider in full hunt regalia has been added to the NUMBERft white horse cut in to the hills at kilburn which dates back to the NUMBERs but no one reported anything to the police a spokesman for north yorkshire police said no reports had been received but he had seen a red blob on the horse and had sent officers to investigate in uffington no one in the village had heard anything about the reported incident a spokesman for thames valley police said he was not aware of any complaints activists say the image in oxfordshire was drawn in paint used for marking lines on grass tennis courts and will wash away in the first rains story filed NUMBER NUMBER tuesday NUMBERth august NUMBER scott i cried for madder music and for stronger wine ernest dowson _________________________________________________________________ msn photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos URL yahoo groups sponsor NUMBER dvds free s p join now URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

just as the pyramids of egypt were built in honour of great kings it was fitting that sandy replicas were created on weymouth beach in memory of the king of the castle fred darrington who became the world s most famous sand sculptor died last week aged NUMBER his grandson mark anderson who has taken over his dorset seafront pitch is determined that his grandfather s name will not be forgotten despite the impermanence of his creations can someone please tell me what a pitch constitutes i have an idea it is somewhat like the spots street musicians claim but this sounds more formal just an area of the beach by the prom where he s allowed to make his sculptures weymouth is where i spent my teenage years my mum and one sister still live there so i m pretty familiar with the sculptures pretty impressive and very big i think he uses some sort of armature for some bits it s not just sand they usually get vandalised though after a lot of drinks it obviously is a good idea to break into the enclosure and kick all the sculptures to bits then again weymouth is pretty run down and attracts holiday makers of the worst sort yahoo groups sponsor NUMBER dvds free s p join now URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

on tue NUMBER aug NUMBER the voices made robin lynn frank write tony svanstrom on spamassassin talk noted this us patent URL tml pto search adv html r NUMBER f g l NUMBER d pgNUMBER sNUMBER spam p NUMBER os haiku rs spam i took a bit of time to review what is on the above url if i were a news editor the headline would be inventor from country that ignores patents and copyrights seeks patent for inventing the wheel the wheel is already patented in australia melbourne man patents the wheel url http NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER search q URL the sad news is that there seems to be a lot of patents pending or not that s for very basic general ideas it s the current form of domainnapping and it might turn uggly when people start trying to enfoce these patents tony per scientiam ad libertatem through knowledge towards freedom genom kunskap mot frihet c NUMBER NUMBER tony URL perl e print _ _ for sort _ lynx dump URL

m mike masnick mike techdirt com writes m in which world are we talking about that may be true for the m first sale but once something is out in the world the m creator loses control if i buy a chair you built and then m decide to give it away to my neighbor by you re definition he m just stole from you i don t endorse the whole riaa thing but to be accurate you would have to duplicate the chair so that both you and your neighbour could continue to sit down and yes i suppose that would be more serious they can sit on your copy but if you start churning out exact dups of a name brand artifact people with law degrees start to smell money for example i could copy a gibson guitar exactly so long as a i don t put orville s name on the headstock and b i license the patented bracing methods if i instead try to sell a homebuilt guitar on ebay with gibson written in crayon on the headstock and then claim it is a true les paul limited edition i expect people would get upset m why is it that people don t understand that giving stuff away m is a perfectly acceptable tactic in capitalist businesses to play the devil s advocate here it s not about giving stuff away it is about granting endless and cascading duplication distribution rights even if _i_ only make the copy i give to you that doesn t stop you from making NUMBER copies to sell m access to free stuff often helps to sell other stuff this is the difficult question how will they draw the distinction the other stuff is just as easy to duplicate as the free stuff this is why ms is hunting people with illegal windows it s no harder to dup than a linux cd only what is there that actually prevents people from doing it personally i don t think the issue should have anything to do with sales or units the issue is that basic phallacy that says a suit should be able to own someone else s intellectual property sarah mclaughlin isn t suing you it s her label s legal dept because it s the label who stands to lose sarah s already fat beyond her wildest dreams so a few bucks here or there or even if the well dried up tomorrow it s not going to really traumatize her unless she s been blazingly stupid with her money but the label like disney and mickey they need the cash cow so they can keep all sorts of uncreative hangers on in limos and coke if you thought only elvis or brian jones or dennis wilson had problems with beautiful people deadbeat leech friends draining their riches think again the problem is really very simple because it is semantic and until we make the semantic flip it s unsolvable but like trisecting an angle all it takes is looking at the same situation in a different way here s the revelation elvis never ever made a hit record elvis didn t make the hits his fans made the hits his fans did the work cleaning toilets manning the convenience stores driving milk trucks sitting at endless office desks they did the real labour that paid for every last one of elvis presley s pills all elvis did was sing into a microphone every so often and pen or collect the odd song that all those people liked and wanted as something of their own but it s not _elvis_ who made them universal statements it is the universe of fans who slurped the songs into their own lives it was pull technology not push therefore the question becomes how many times must these fans pay before they own what they themselves have created they pay royalties for listening to the radio for blank tapes for concert tickets for a beer in a bar with a cover band they pay over and over and over again for the right to make some hack writer s song their favourite song that s where the whole system has been seriously warped by the record companies and ad companies reframing it into your thinking that it is the elvis who makes the elvis it s not it s the people who make them the songs are already theirs gary lawrence murphy garym teledyn com teledynamics communications inc business advantage through community software URL computers are useless they can only give you answers pablo picasso

ultimately there was a big disagreement about how to sell the product sales guys wanted to sell the thing for a gazillion dollars to megaclients but we thought it would make more sense to get more people using it so we could get more feedback from many different places the bottom line was that the route we wound up going megaclients for megabucks had a megalong sales cycle the sales force staffed up and tried to sell the earliest releases of the software even succeeding in a few significant cases but couldn t get enough to cover their own expenses much less the actual development of the product now where have i seen that before oh yeah its happening to me right now

a adam l beberg beberg mithral com writes a i m not displeased you re trying to help just frustrated that a employers can demand such rediculous combinations of skills a with insane years of experience from my NUMBER years in the playing field imho the art of job hunting for those not yet de jobbed is the art of getting past the hr stage interview and into the engineer to engineer interview hr is not being honest with you so there s no ethical quandry to be totally honest with them if they want experience numbers that would place you in the oak project lead them to believe that you have something roughly equivalent ie it wasn t NUMBER years but it was three intense years with plenty of overtime they are playing a bluff in saying they know the job requirements so you re perfectly within poker rules to bluff back to say you have it if you don t have the requisite right stuff the engineers can usually suss it out pretty fast during the second interview most often their choice is based NUMBER on who can i work with and only maybe NUMBER on how much little will we have to tutor this candidate gary lawrence murphy garym teledyn com teledynamics communications inc business advantage through community software URL computers are useless they can only give you answers pablo picasso

from the local paper this morning canadians eat about seven times as many doughnuts per capita as americans d oh owen

barbara blithered others indicators this was a late invention are the use of the f rune not only for f but inverted to mean ff the welsh v phoneme stew stired isn t it the other way round f welsh v english ff welsh f english barbara babbles mea culpa that s what i get for reading my welsh dictionary upside down f n trouble barbara yahoo groups sponsor NUMBER dvds free s p join now URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

martin mentioned i ve used this a few times and can thoroughly recommend it it really doeswork frankly the only drawback is finding too much stuff rachel rote i ll be amazed if there s anyone on here who isn t already a heavy user barbara babbles be amazed i ve never bought anything online since an almighty cock up with amazon dot con that s not a typo a few years back where i lost all the dosh i d paid them and had no books to show for it either had it been the uk branch i d have had them in the small claims court quicker than you could drop lotr on your foot and say ouch but as it was the us branch i d just no comeback barbara yahoo groups sponsor NUMBER dvds free s p join now URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

URL cam ron associate juelz santana has vehemently defended a lyric on the forthcoming album by the pair s diplomats crew that pays tribute to september NUMBER hijacker omar atta yahoo groups sponsor NUMBER dvds free s p join now URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

cam ron associate juelz santana has vehemently defended a lyric on the forthcoming album by the pair s diplomats crew that pays tribute to september NUMBER hijacker omar atta no steve earle at least used to make great records martin yahoo groups sponsor NUMBER dvds free s p join now URL to unsubscribe from this group send an email to forteana unsubscribe URL your use of yahoo groups is subject to URL

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on tue NUMBER aug NUMBER jon wrote i has just been given an old toshiba csNUMBER with earliest pentium and NUMBERmb of hd but only a floppy drive on it its got winNUMBER NUMBER which is funny to see again but gonna be cleared as soon as i stop messing with it what i was wondering was could anyone advise what o s would be good for this i want a small usable nix distro for it that i can transfer to it fom floppy connecting this to winblows i know that winblows allows pier to pier connections over serial and parellel ports to other winblows but is this easy do for connecting winblows to nix have done exactly this with debian only i used a pcmcia network card and did it off URL ucd bandwidth is rather good however if you ve another machine look into this null modem cable jobby URL whether you can connect that to direct cable connectioni ve no idea you could however put the files onto windows boot onto a ilug bbc tm and mount the fatNUMBER partition easier quicker way is to get your hands on a pcmcia nic also makes the maptop far more useful in the long run gavin irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL