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on NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm gary lawrence murphy garym canada com wrote j james rogers jamesr URL writes j an example being able to model rf propagation in three j dimensions for a metro area when deploying wireless networks j by having every single tree and building detail and similar j you can see even tiny dead spots due to physical blockage and j signal attenuation hmmm just as i thought in other words it has no practical uses whatsoever do the biz guys in your office really think wisps are really going to shell out their money to find a house or two they can t reach experience suggests a they won t care and b they will even sign up that errant house and then give them a run around blaming the dead spot on unsupported vendor equipment errrr the biz guys in my office don t care what the wisps want to do with their little wifi networks and the bandwidth shadows in most cities are surprisingly large and common they aren t selling the software which is pretty pricy as it happens they are using it to optimize next generation wireless canopies over metro areas and fiber networks on a large scale there are an essentially infinite number of metro wireless configurations some of which generate far more dead or marginal spots and others which are very expensive to operate due to backhaul transit considerations or both this software can be used as a tool to optimize the canopy coverage and minimize the actual transit costs since the wireless is tied into fiber at multiple points the canopies we are talking about aren t short range wifi technologies but a mixture of long range high performance wireless networking with bandwidth measured in tens to hundreds of mbits and ranges measured in miles up to well over a hundred miles on the extreme end at those ranges and bandwidth levels the cost of providing the network can easily vary by an order of magnitude or more depending on how you manage rf shadows and proximity to fiber access points the idea ultimately is to optimize the cost and performance such that no existing network infrastructure providers can remotely compete and maintain profitability this is a surprisingly low bar and it is about time networks were designed with this level of large scale optimization cost per mbit maximizing coverage and effective bandwidth available per unit area in any case and for this company s long term plans this type of capability will be absolutely necessary to keep things sane or at least investors find this capability very sexy and compelling especially since we have this lovely visualization engine tied into the system cli batches never have the same effect even if it is more efficient james rogers jamesr URL

on sun NUMBER sep NUMBER eugen leitl wrote doesn t look particularly difficult to do clearly this is not something what hets do prostitution not taken into account so lets see hets dont go to swing clubs meat markets or the like at all hmm and being gay means hanging in the bath house being a cum dumpster while you listen to the devine ms m belt one out for the boys ugh with thinking like this who needs the bible belt

who watched lathe of heaven a e NUMBER pm edt who has seen the original if it s airing now on the west coast do catch it gg

k kragen sitaker kragen pobox com writes k planning battle tactics for this reason the intelligence k press reports spy satellites have had NUMBER meter resolution for k many years the military already have these spy satellites they are basically hubble pointed the other way so i doubt they will be a big enough customer of this service to justify a next generation wireless network rollout for the rest of us k finding an individual vehicle in a city might occasionally be k possible with NUMBER m images and might occasionally also be worth k the money my car is only just over NUMBER NUMBER meters across and maybe NUMBER meters long so that means roughly six pixels total surface area you might find a NUMBER wheeler this way but how often do people misplace a NUMBER wheeler such that it is _that_ important to get old images of the terrain since they can t send up aircraft to update images in realtime every time how is this different from just releasing the map on dvds why wireless i thought of the common problem of lost prize cattle but there again will there really be business case for creating a hi res map of wyoming on the fly instead of just doing what they do now and hiring a helicopter for a few hours k for small areas you have legitimate access to it s probably k cheaper to go there with a digital camera and a gps and take k some snapshots from ground level aerial photos might be k cheaper for large areas areas where you re not allowed or k perhaps physically able to go and cases where you don t k have time to send a ground guy around the whole area i can see lower res being useful for geologists but considering their points of interest change only a few times every few million years there s not much need to be wireless based on up to the minute data i expect most geologists travel with a laptop perfectly capable of dvd playback and i also expect the most interesting geology is in regions where the wireless ain t going to go i don t mean to nit pick it s just that i m curious as to a the need for this product that justifies the extreme cost and b how we d justify the ubiquitous next generation wireless network that this product postulates when we still can t find the killer app for NUMBERg gary lawrence murphy garym teledyn com teledynamics communications inc business advantage through community software URL computers are useless they can only give you answers pablo picasso

j james rogers jamesr best com writes j they aren t selling the software which is pretty pricy as j it happens they are using it to optimize next generation j wireless canopies over metro areas and fiber networks on a j large scale there are an essentially infinite number of metro j wireless configurations some of which generate far more dead j or marginal spots and others which are very expensive to j operate due to backhaul transit considerations or both this j software can be used as a tool to optimize the canopy coverage j and minimize the actual transit costs since the wireless is j tied into fiber at multiple points so you only need to map a handful of metropolitan areas j or at least investors find this capability very sexy and j compelling ah now that i will believe don t mind me i m just getting even more cynical in my old age gary lawrence murphy garym teledyn com teledynamics communications inc business advantage through community software URL computers are useless they can only give you answers pablo picasso

on NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm gary lawrence murphy garym canada com wrote my car is only just over NUMBER NUMBER meters across and maybe NUMBER meters long so that means roughly six pixels total surface area you might find a NUMBER wheeler this way but how often do people misplace a NUMBER wheeler such that it is _that_ important to get old images of the terrain since they can t send up aircraft to update images in realtime every time how is this different from just releasing the map on dvds why wireless it seems that several people are missing the point that this is not an image database it is high resolution topological data rendered in three dimensions images are overlayed on the topological data to help people navigate familiar terrain visually in other words it is not intended as a wannabe spy satellite rather it is a very accurate three dimensional model of the earth s surface when a particular region in question is covered in a city the buildings in the city are mapped as though they are part of the earth s surface the part that makes the app killer is that you can map all sorts of data layers on top of their core topological data got it james rogers jamesr URL

i agree w ya tom that kind of thinking is so idiotic sure gays are promiscuous and so are hets but i betcha gays are more aidsphobic than hets generally speaking c on sun NUMBER sep NUMBER tom wrote on sun NUMBER sep NUMBER eugen leitl wrote doesn t look particularly difficult to do clearly this is not something what hets do prostitution not taken into account so lets see hets dont go to swing clubs meat markets or the like at all hmm and being gay means hanging in the bath house being a cum dumpster while you listen to the devine ms m belt one out for the boys ugh with thinking like this who needs the bible belt i don t take no stocks in mathematics anyway huckleberry finn

gary lawrence murphy cynicizes hmmm just as i thought in other words it has no practical uses whatsoever tourism is the world s largest industry using this to preview your travels or figure out where you are would be very valuable online gaming continues to grow screw britannia real life britain would be a fun world to wander conquer explore virtually in role playing or real time strategy games and of course as james rogers points out it s an ideal display substrate for all sorts of other overlaid data maps are great photrealistic NUMBER d maps of everywhere which can have many other static and dynamic datasets overlaid are spectacular combining those last two thoughts consider the static world map in faded colors with patches here and there covered by live webcams stitched over the static info in bright colors it d be like the fog of war view in games like warcraft over the real world gordon

j james rogers jamesr best com writes j the part that makes the app killer is that you can map all j sorts of data layers on top of their core topological data j got it ah ok so some sample applications come to mind although none of them require wireless and would do with a dvd but nonetheless forestry maps of the terrain are essential in predicting the spread of forest fires esp if this is overlaid with the type of vegetation recent waterfall c farming conservation can use the high resolution terrain to overlay water tables or watershed info gary lawrence murphy garym teledyn com teledynamics communications inc business advantage through community software URL computers are useless they can only give you answers pablo picasso

on NUMBER sep NUMBER at NUMBER NUMBER geege schuman wrote who watched lathe of heaven a e NUMBER pm edt who has seen the original by original if you are referring to the old pbs version i liked that version much better much more thought provoking

on sun NUMBER sep NUMBER cdale wrote i agree w ya tom that kind of thinking is so idiotic sure gays so how many of your hetero friends had NUMBER k lovers are promiscuous and so are hets but i betcha gays are more aidsphobic than hets generally speaking the virus load issue is orthogonal to the fact bzzt switch on your brain you both i was mentioning that a subpopulation outside of the sex industry is used to be extremely promiscuous about two orders of magnitude higher than average

agreed completely i totally grokked the notion of unintened consequence with the original original message from fork admin URL mailto fork admin URL on behalf of john evdemon sent monday september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER am to fork URL subject re recommended viewing on NUMBER sep NUMBER at NUMBER NUMBER geege schuman wrote who watched lathe of heaven a e NUMBER pm edt who has seen the original by original if you are referring to the old pbs version i liked that version much better much more thought provoking

ok i read back thats not a typo you mean three thousand lovers where do you get your data it seems very unlikely but if you have supporting evidence i d like to see it chris on mon NUMBER sep NUMBER eugen leitl wrote on sun NUMBER sep NUMBER cdale wrote i agree w ya tom that kind of thinking is so idiotic sure gays so how many of your hetero friends had NUMBER k lovers are promiscuous and so are hets but i betcha gays are more aidsphobic than hets generally speaking the virus load issue is orthogonal to the fact bzzt switch on your brain you both i was mentioning that a subpopulation outside of the sex industry is used to be extremely promiscuous about two orders of magnitude higher than average

on mon NUMBER sep NUMBER chris haun wrote ok i read back thats not a typo you mean three thousand lovers where do you get your data it seems very unlikely but if you have supporting evidence i d like to see it i haven t seen any official data on the web the high ranking hits are overrun by religious bigots but there s some anecdotal evidence to be found in URL search for promiscuity they mention NUMBER to NUMBER partners a year anecdotally this is not a statistic they also mention that this was specific to gay males lesbians don t dig promiscuity in that degree

el on sun NUMBER sep NUMBER cdale wrote i agree w ya tom that kind of thinking is so idiotic sure gays el so how many of your hetero friends had NUMBER k lovers so eugen how many of your homo friends have had NUMBERk lovers in fact thats a general question for fork proper do you know anyone outside of meybee wilt chamberlin and a few of the gang bang porn queens who have had even NUMBER NUMBERk lovers eegads if you re hypothesizing numbers like that eugen you at least owe it to fork to back that shit up otherwise we re liable to assume rampant unfounded homophobia and that would just be a lose just a quick assumption here i m not a math geek or anything but assuming NUMBER lover every day that would be like at least one lover everyday for NUMBER years and some change i don t know about you but very very few of us are that lucky or even close to that lucky and after awhile even the sexaholics get bored and have to mingle something new into their weekends you really are assumiing that the homosexual population is a that large in a given area the meccas might qualify but try finding that kind of homosexual population in say tulsa oklahoma or manchester nh tho manchester does have quite a few nifty gaybars but thats a different story b that bored sex obsessed recreationally free to pursue sex that often with that many partners or that they d even want that many partners qualify yourself or at least lower your outrageous numbers bb are promiscuous and so are hets but i betcha gays are more aidsphobic than hets generally speaking el the virus load issue is orthogonal to the fact bzzt switch on your el brain you both i was mentioning that a subpopulation outside of the sex el industry is used to be extremely promiscuous about two orders of el magnitude higher than average best regards bitbitch mailto bitbitch URL

in addition one bit of anecdotal evidence from a conversation in NUMBER in san fransisco is hardly enough to extrapolate NUMBER to NUMBERk this is the only quote i could find relating to promiscuity in homosexual men i think people feel a certain invulnerability especially young people like this disease doesn t affect me the publicity about the disease was very much the kind where it was easy to say that isn t me i m not promiscuous promiscuity especially was a piece where people could easily say well i m not promiscuous is more than i do if you have NUMBER partners a year you can think you re not promiscuous if you know somebody who has NUMBER so it s all relative and it was easy to feel that that isn t me you could find hets who have the same kind of partner volume bfd this kind of random generation of numbers that leads the nutty religious bigots as you mentioned earlier grr bits damnit now i must go brief bb el on sun NUMBER sep NUMBER cdale wrote i agree w ya tom that kind of thinking is so idiotic sure gays el so how many of your hetero friends had NUMBER k lovers bmn so eugen how many of your homo friends have had NUMBERk lovers bmn in fact thats a general question for fork proper bmn do you know anyone outside of meybee wilt chamberlin and a few of the bmn gang bang porn queens who have had even NUMBER NUMBERk lovers bmn eegads if you re hypothesizing numbers like that eugen you at bmn least owe it to fork to back that shit up bmn otherwise we re liable to assume rampant unfounded homophobia and that bmn would just be a lose bmn just a quick assumption here i m not a math geek or anything but bmn assuming NUMBER lover every day that would be like at least one lover bmn everyday for NUMBER years and some change i don t know about you but bmn very very few of us are that lucky or even close to that lucky bmn and after awhile even the sexaholics get bored and have to mingle bmn something new into their weekends you really are assumiing that the bmn homosexual population is a that large in a given area the meccas bmn might qualify but try finding that kind of homosexual population in bmn say tulsa oklahoma or manchester nh tho manchester does have quite bmn a few nifty gaybars but thats a different story b that bored sex bmn obsessed recreationally free to pursue sex that often with that many bmn partners or that they d even want that many partners bmn qualify yourself or at least lower your outrageous numbers bmn bb are promiscuous and so are hets but i betcha gays are more aidsphobic than hets generally speaking el the virus load issue is orthogonal to the fact bzzt switch on your el brain you both i was mentioning that a subpopulation outside of the sex el industry is used to be extremely promiscuous about two orders of el magnitude higher than average best regards bitbitch mailto bitbitch URL

so eugen how many of your homo friends have had NUMBERk lovers in fact thats a general question for fork proper uh zero i m sort of offended at having to take this question seriously like being black and having to actually explain that black people don t all sing and dance i d guess that gay men compared to straight men have a linearly greater number of sexual partners on the order of NUMBER NUMBER NUMBERx but then again it not a monolithic or homogeneous community who knows NUMBERk is utter shite lucas

on sun NUMBER sep NUMBER gordon mohr wrote gary lawrence murphy cynicizes hmmm just as i thought in other words it has no practical uses whatsoever online gaming continues to grow screw britannia real life britain would be a fun world to wander conquer explore virtually in role playing or real time strategy games andthus geocaching this would make a nice little let me check this set of coord out before we trek into NUMBER feet of quicksand

on mon NUMBER sep NUMBER bitbitch URL wrote so eugen how many of your homo friends have had NUMBERk lovers just one not everybody does that most of them are now dead anyway do you know anyone outside of meybee wilt chamberlin and a few of the gang bang porn queens who have had even NUMBER NUMBERk lovers yes notice that i ve specifically excluded sex industry that be cheating eegads if you re hypothesizing numbers like that eugen you at least owe it to fork to back that shit up ain t done no hypothesizing anecdotal evidence r us couldn t you just google or something otherwise we re liable to assume rampant unfounded homophobia and that would just be a lose yeah i m a gay jew nazi muslim who s also a lead character on kaz s underworld can we go on with the programme now just a quick assumption here i m not a math geek or anything but assuming NUMBER lover every day that would be like at least one lover everyday for NUMBER years and some change i don t know about you but very very few of us are that lucky or even close to that lucky which was my point gurls don t do hyperpromiscuity as a life style it s interesting that you re launching into a diatribe and threaten using instant argument just add hominem instead of assuming i might be not just pulling this whole thing out my nether orifice and after awhile even the sexaholics get bored and have to mingle something new into their weekends you really are assumiing that the homosexual population is a that large in a given area the meccas you ever been to san francisco might qualify but try finding that kind of homosexual population in say tulsa oklahoma or manchester nh tho manchester does have quite yeah i think it could be also difficult finding a gay bathhouse in thule greenland or parts of central africa to think of it both oort and kuiper belts are utterly devoid of gay people as well isn t this remarkable a few nifty gaybars but thats a different story b that bored sex obsessed recreationally free to pursue sex that often with that many partners or that they d even want that many partners this doesn t happen because it couldn t happen no one would want to because you feel that way correct qualify yourself or at least lower your outrageous numbers i didn t expect so much reflexive knee jerking on this list

on mon NUMBER sep NUMBER lucas gonze wrote NUMBERk is utter shite NUMBERk is a number that probably sounds good to some closted homophobe with secret desires to be belle of the balls twinks dinks and dorks this thread sounds to me like someone needs a little luvin

on mon NUMBER sep NUMBER lucas gonze wrote a linearly greater number of sexual partners on the order of NUMBER NUMBER NUMBERx but then again it not a monolithic or homogeneous community who knows did i claim all gay people are hyperpromiscuous for what this is worth i would claim they re considerably more promiscuous on the average than your average het my utterly unscientific unsubstatiated claim is that the typical male would like to be considerably more promiscous than your average female ay and here s the rub pray don t forget the kleenex look up different reproduction strategies due to basic hardware difference sexual dimorphism you d do that too if it happened to you once you go past the first three of four pages of hysterical propaganda on google you might actually run into real studies anyone game i have to work well pretend to NUMBERk is utter shite this is getting better and better you know NUMBERk is utter shite how you just feel the number can t be right yes deep inside i m way overposting today but i find this entire exchange hee lay rious

tom wrote NUMBERk is a number that probably sounds good to some closted homophobe with secret desires to be belle of the balls twinks dinks and dorks this thread sounds to me like someone needs a little luvin i dunno if i d accuse everybody who believes the NUMBERk number of needing a little luvin but i completely believe that this myth has survived because there s a lot of people who need more lovin plus it fits in with a bunch of different archetypes lucas

el on mon NUMBER sep NUMBER bitbitch URL wrote so eugen how many of your homo friends have had NUMBERk lovers el just one not everybody does that most of them are now dead anyway point is you re not likely to extrapolate much i could probably find one hetero who had just as much sex does that mean we re all rampant hos no eegads if you re hypothesizing numbers like that eugen you at least owe it to fork to back that shit up el ain t done no hypothesizing anecdotal evidence r us couldn t you just el google or something listen if you pull numbers like that without a fact the automagic assumption is yes they were extracted out of your neither orifice point wasn t to conclude otherwise unless you had any relevant bits its not my job to do _your_ bit searching for you but i figured i d humor fork with this bit of finding URL pointing ot averages of about NUMBER for every NUMBER months for gay men which totals to about NUMBER a year NUMBER a year doesn t equal NUMBER or even NUMBER just a quick assumption here i m not a math geek or anything but assuming NUMBER lover every day that would be like at least one lover everyday for NUMBER years and some change i don t know about you but very very few of us are that lucky or even close to that lucky el which was my point gurls don t do hyperpromiscuity as a life style it s el interesting that you re launching into a diatribe and threaten using el instant argument just add hominem instead of assuming i might be not el just pulling this whole thing out my nether orifice wtf do my shitty math skillz have to do with girls and hyperpromiscuity i was speaking generally meaning that guys and girls probably have better things to do than boink everything they see as above i am assuming you re pulling things out of your ass i just felt like calling you on it btw there s nothing wrong with calling someone on a silly idea its allowed and its generally not considered ad hominem but the homophobia statement might be and after awhile even the sexaholics get bored and have to mingle something new into their weekends you really are assumiing that the homosexual population is a that large in a given area the meccas el you ever been to san francisco many times which is why i said assuming that large the meccas dont count sf is a mecca in this example i obviously wasn t clear tho one could assume i wasn t talking about medina a few nifty gaybars but thats a different story b that bored sex obsessed recreationally free to pursue sex that often with that many partners or that they d even want that many partners el this doesn t happen because it couldn t happen no one would want to el because you feel that way correct doesn t happen true couldn t happen who knows it has nothing to do with how i feel and everything to do with the fact that people do concern themselves with more than just sex otherwise i think we d see a helluva lot more of sex and a helluva lot less of everything else qualify yourself or at least lower your outrageous numbers el i didn t expect so much reflexive knee jerking on this list well my suggestion is if you can t take the responses don t post flamebait best regards bitbitch mailto bitbitch URL

on mon NUMBER sep NUMBER eugen leitl wrote on sun NUMBER sep NUMBER cdale wrote i agree w ya tom that kind of thinking is so idiotic sure gays so how many of your hetero friends had NUMBER k lovers none how many of my gay friends have had NUMBERk lovers none are promiscuous and so are hets but i betcha gays are more aidsphobic than hets generally speaking the virus load issue is orthogonal to the fact bzzt switch on your brain you both i was mentioning that a subpopulation outside of the sex industry is used to be extremely promiscuous about two orders of magnitude higher than average two orders of magnitude higher than average isn t NUMBERk i don t think why don t ya give us a url or something that told you all this stuff or did you just pull it out of your ass c

this is getting better and better you know NUMBERk is utter shite how i m not going to be your spokesman eugen figure it out yourself over and out

bitbitch writes listen if you pull numbers like that without a fact the automagic assumption is yes they were extracted out of your neither orifice point wasn t to conclude otherwise unless you had any relevant bits its not my job to do _your_ bit searching for you but i figured i d humor fork with this bit of finding URL pointing ot averages of about NUMBER for every NUMBER months for gay men which totals to about NUMBER a year NUMBER a year doesn t equal NUMBER or even NUMBER er that study would seem to lend credence to eugen s estimations rather than casting fresh doubts NUMBER a year does exceed NUMBER in under NUMBER years time the average age of that study s participants was NUMBER meaning some participants may have had NUMBER NUMBER years of active sex life at that age and further hiv it seems reasonable to think that some the participants may have actually slowed their pace a bit so while this study s summary info is incomplete you could easily conclude that the average participant in this one study will have had over a thousand partners over a NUMBER NUMBER year active sex life and so the even more active tails of the distribution could easily be in the NUMBER range of course this says very little almost nothing about the overall population behavior gay or straight and the relative prevalence of NUMBERk individuals in either group but it does strongly suggest that gay males with NUMBERk partners exist in measurable numbers so people should stop treating eugen s anecdotal estimation as if it were sheer fantasy bitbitch s own citation suggests otherwise gordon

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just thought i d pass this on my favorite radio station in raleigh is going off the internet due to the new fees and restrictions associated with remaining online this is from the station manager and describes the situation forwarded message date tue NUMBER sep NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER from arielle gm wknc org subject re knc stream NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER this message was sent from wknc chat URL it does but it s not the cost that is causing us to shut it down the cost is a minimum NUMBER per year but that only accounts for NUMBER people streaming and playing like NUMBER or NUMBER songs an hour but we could maybe manage the NUMBER cents per person per NUMBER songs the problem comes with the record keeping they mandate with webstreaming start and end times for every song not too hard artist okay title okay composers a little harder serial number wtf i think there are a few more things they wanted but honestly programming this info in for every song that we play is ridiculous this means we d also have to get all the djs to find this info and write it down any time they play a request vinyl or cds not loaded into the computer it s ridiculous and nearly impossible we would need someone to sit in the studio NUMBER NUMBER writing down all this info which sometimes isn t available like from earlier album that don t have serial numbers and barcodes then still if only the magic NUMBER people webstream our signal the price would become quite exponential since we play on average NUMBER songs an hour we d be paying NUMBER NUMBER everyday to stream to those NUMBER people so really it does have to do with the internet tax but it is a few reasons together why we can t do it after their kill date sent using phorum software version NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER http phorum org

here are numbers that come from a study of a couple of thousand swedes with no reference to sexual preference that i could find the point would seem to be that NUMBER sexual activity follows a power curve with a few people a la wilt chamberlain having an extaordinarily large number of sexual contacts ev en in a short period of time and NUMBER a tendency for men to have more partners than women i have no idea being a statistical ignoramus whether the fact that there seem to be more men than women at the extremely promiscuous end of the sex partners distribution curve means that you d get even more extreme results in a group of men who chiefly have sex with other men URL for example the mean number of partners since sexual initiation for women is approximately NUMBER and in a sample of less than NUMBER swedish women we find an individual with NUMBER partners for men the mean is approximately NUMBER and we find an individual with NUMBER partners which is almost NUMBER times larger than the mean so somehow don juan was not such an extraordinary case but just one data point in a wide spectrum of behaviors that can be observed as for gay men there is indeed anecdotal evidence of cases of extreme promiscuity among gay men you can read about it in randy schiltz s and the band played on he writes about bathhouse culture pre hiv he also discusses how in the gay politics of the time there was a sub culture of what you might call radical gay men who argued and acted on the argument that having many partners was an essential part of what being gay actually was it was an explicitly political statement monogamy is an artifact of straight culture that view seems to have died in more ways than one part of the point of schiltz s book was to condemn the role that it and bathhouse culture played in spreading the aids epidemic that eventually killed schiltz among so many others this doesn t let eugen off the hook but it is accurate to say that there was a cult of promiscuity that was particular to the gay community tom

chris haun wrote we would need someone to sit in the studio NUMBER NUMBER writing down all this info which sometimes isn t available like from earlier album that don t have serial numbers and barcodes then still if only the magic NUMBER people webstream our signal the price would become quite exponential since we play on average NUMBER songs an hour we d be paying NUMBER NUMBER everyday to stream to those NUMBER people so really it does have to do with the internet tax but it is a few reasons together why we can t do it after their kill date who is john galt rous in the throes of reading atlas shrugged again ken p ken coar sanagendamgagwedweinini URL author developer opinionist URL millennium hand and shrimp

at NUMBER NUMBER am NUMBER on NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER gordon mohr wrote calculations elided of course this says very little almost nothing about the overall population behavior gay or straight and the relative prevalence of NUMBERk individuals in either group but it does strongly suggest that gay males with NUMBERk partners exist in measurable numbers so people should stop treating eugen s anecdotal estimation as if it were sheer fantasy bitbitch s own citation suggests otherwise that math stuff s a um bitch i nit cheers rah who could care less who boinks whom or for how much though watching the righteous anger tm around here this morning has been amusing r a hettinga mailto rah ibuc com the internet bearer underwriting corporation URL NUMBER farquhar street boston ma NUMBER usa however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity predicting the end of the world has not been found agreeable to experience edward gibbon decline and fall of the roman empire

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isn t this the story where someone s dream has the ability to change reality then you find the whole world is their dream original message from fork admin URL mailto fork admin URL on behalf of geege schuman sent monday september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER am to john evdemon cc fork URL subject re recommended viewing agreed completely i totally grokked the notion of unintened consequence with the original original message from fork admin URL mailto fork admin URL on behalf of john evdemon sent monday september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER am to fork URL subject re recommended viewing on NUMBER sep NUMBER at NUMBER NUMBER geege schuman wrote who watched lathe of heaven a e NUMBER pm edt who has seen the original by original if you are referring to the old pbs version i liked that version much better much more thought provoking

john hall wrote why so fast normal terminal velocity is much slower not at NUMBER NUMBER m i found this article URL the last person to try to break the highest free fall record died in the attempt in NUMBER new jersey truck driver nick piantanida suffered catastrophic equipment failure when his facemask blew out at NUMBER NUMBER feet lack of oxygen caused such severe brain damage that he went into a coma and died four months later and in amongst the flash at URL you can discover that he will break the sound barrier at NUMBER NUMBER m presumably reaching top speed somewhere above NUMBER NUMBER owen original message from fork admin URL mailto fork admin URL on behalf of bitbitch URL sent sunday september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER am to robert harley cc fork URL subject re the big jump so uh would this qualify for the darwin awards if he doesn t make it freaking french people bb rh today a french officer called michel fournier is supposed to get in a rh NUMBER metre tall helium balloon ride it up to the edge of space NUMBER km rh altitude and jump out his fall should last NUMBER NUMBER minutes and reach rh speeds of mach NUMBER NUMBER he hopes to open his parachute manually at the rh end although with an automatic backup if he is NUMBER seconds from the rh ground and still hasn t opened it rh r rh obquote rh vederò si averò si grossi li coglioni come ha il re di franza rh let s see if i ve got as much balls as the king of france rh pope julius ii NUMBER january NUMBER best regards bitbitch mailto bitbitch URL

on mon sep NUMBER NUMBER at NUMBER NUMBER NUMBERam NUMBER john hall wrote why so fast normal terminal velocity is much slower terminal velocity can be calculated by v_ t sqrt frac NUMBERmg cpa where c is an experimentally determined coefficient p is the density of the air and a is the area of the object these calculations only work if the object is blunt and the airflow is turbulent blah blah blah terminal velocity for a skydiver actually varies with how the diver holds themselves you go faster if you pull yourself into a cannonball that is the a for the most part all else being equal the terminal velocity is inversely proportional to the square root of air density air density drops off pretty quickly and i really should be doing something other than digging up the math for that i think it involves calculus to integrate the amount of mass as the column of the atmosphere trails off i grabbed the other stuff directly out of a book in NUMBER a guy named gregory robertson noticed a fellow parachutist debbie williams had been knocked unconscious he shifted so that he was head down hit about NUMBER mi h and caught up with her and pulled her chute with NUMBER seconds to spare njl

more accurately someone s dream changes reality for everyone and everyone s memory adjusts to perceive the new realities as a continuum replete with new pasts and new memories ever have dreams that create their own history to make their irrealities plausible and authentic feeling ever notice how the feelings evoked in some dreams stick with you all day i m sure it s some neurochemical process initiated during the dream that is still cycling thru like a deja vu triggered by memory processes where you don t actually remember but you feel like you re remembering ggggggggg original message from fork admin URL mailto fork admin URL on behalf of john hall sent monday september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm to fork subject re recommended viewing isn t this the story where someone s dream has the ability to change reality then you find the whole world is their dream original message from fork admin URL mailto fork admin URL on behalf of geege schuman sent monday september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER am to john evdemon cc fork URL subject re recommended viewing agreed completely i totally grokked the notion of unintened consequence with the original original message from fork admin URL mailto fork admin URL on behalf of john evdemon sent monday september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER am to fork URL subject re recommended viewing on NUMBER sep NUMBER at NUMBER NUMBER geege schuman wrote who watched lathe of heaven a e NUMBER pm edt who has seen the original by original if you are referring to the old pbs version i liked that version much better much more thought provoking

on monday NUMBER september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm geege schuman wrote ever notice how the feelings evoked in some dreams stick with you all day i m sure it s some neurochemical process initiated during the dream that is still cycling thru like a deja vu triggered by memory processes where you don t actually remember but you feel like you re remembering absolutely and i ve wanted to recapture it i ve done some writing based on dreams and there is a mysterious mood to that feeling that drives some creative stuff for me i ve never tried to write music in that state but i will next time eirikur

any of your writing online anywhere would love to take a look i was plagued with night terrors for years and tried to capture that feeling after waking up if you want to call that waking up but was never able to cindy on mon NUMBER sep NUMBER eirikur hallgrimsson wrote on monday NUMBER september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm geege schuman wrote ever notice how the feelings evoked in some dreams stick with you all day i m sure it s some neurochemical process initiated during the dream that is still cycling thru like a deja vu triggered by memory processes where you don t actually remember but you feel like you re remembering absolutely and i ve wanted to recapture it i ve done some writing based on dreams and there is a mysterious mood to that feeling that drives some creative stuff for me i ve never tried to write music in that state but i will next time eirikur i don t take no stocks in mathematics anyway huckleberry finn

g geege schuman geege barrera org writes g i m sure it s some neurochemical process initiated during g the dream that is still cycling thru like a deja vu g triggered by memory processes where you don t actually g remember but you feel like you re remembering that s very perceptive of you many people are not so willing to accept their personal reality as skewed by their neuro physiology a great many popular con games exist by exploiting the perceptions of these states another oft exploited neuro plausibility the brain is a pretty darn fine analog associative computer so it could be the neurochemical events during the dream have associated themselves with some inner or external cue to mentally _recreate_ the state perception like the predictable tone on striking a bell gary lawrence murphy garym teledyn com teledynamics communications inc business advantage through community software URL computers are useless they can only give you answers pablo picasso

e eirikur hallgrimsson eh mad scientist com writes e absolutely and i ve wanted to recapture it i don t know about this particular mood but i have used neuro conditioning with aiding children in stressful life circumstances basically you somehow evoke the state you want and when you get it you do something odd anything at all will do but i used a gentle vulcan grip on their shoulder later when faced with the uncomfortable situation you can retrieve part of that earlier more desireable state by giving them the pinch it s not perfect like you get with simpler brains but it is an inescapable effect this is probably the neuro effect that leads to performance enhancing superstitions such as bob dylan not performing without his favourite jean jacket because it provides the cue to a more relaxed mental state he really does play better with it than without it gary lawrence murphy garym teledyn com teledynamics communications inc business advantage through community software URL computers are useless they can only give you answers pablo picasso

well for one it would free up the similar laptop i already got to just run amithlon or if that wasn t so fun bsd to run just openbsd this is a near term thing i could look forward to however an official laptop seems unexciting to me with only the items mentioned most important are the particulars distinguishing the listed spec from a dell NUMBER preferably NUMBER geforceNUMBER NUMBER go or newer pleasingly modern gpu the geforceNUMBERgo with NUMBERmb video ram too little i have is not so much too slow as inefficient with factory settings it would actually crash from running too hot and too fast accelerating the ami and possibly openuae graphics is a necessity to meet for good speed in those environments but an energy efficient gpu is a good sideeffect and portability read battery lifetime enabler NUMBER NUMBER great control over cpu state by use of internet keys wired to bios bhipset routines directly or preferably a scroll wheel also hibernate that works please NUMBER NUMBER bootable to usb NUMBER NUMBER drives e g larger external ones in bios please NUMBER pNUMBER dells overheat they have a big heatsink and a little fan to pull air through it and if you don t elevate thelaptop off the desk or table or bed it s on the fan will stay on not good for mtbs mean time between service unless you ve got an angle on making money on service from amigans one excellent solution is to include a heatpipe which runs behind the amlcd thus using the backside of the display half as a radiator though it interferes with the case notion below yes aavid or such makes some as a standard part i prefer to include the heatpipe but employ the radiative mass in elevating the laptop i e in the form of a catch handle and second logo device behind the laptop which generally provides stow and attachment for elevation legs move them out farther to get to the next higher ekevation until the sides of the laptop are met this also happens to provide a little protection for usb NUMBER and NUMBER cables that i tend to keep plugged in all the time a bit longer port life please NUMBER a case color other than brown or black and preferably if the display module nre is entirely permissive the capability to run with the backlight off again to save battery power but also as a feature maybe you remember the ibooks modified in this manner the user has the privilege to pull out the backlight diffuser and fiberoptic lightpipe cf assembly with its backreflector and the whole warrantee this provides for excellent outdoor use often with the diffuser reinserted to keep depth of field distractions minimised what would i like aNUMBER putty color any translucency in or over a rosewood colored in kde color browser i see chocolate firebrick and a couple of indian red that are great candidates base i would also like to be able to at least turn off the backlight without closing the lid and to be able to fit an external light source such as a uv filtered solar collector and glare hood to feed into the backlight not only does this make an excellent color environment but lets one work outdoors tolerably the logo should be a coloration of a minimal surface as the maa is trying to get me to renew with demos at URL at first blush we ll see what comes out of the contest and maybe you ll like the mapping mathcad does of the logo to a minimal surface or manifold that reflects the openness of amigaos ami and amiga community URL has more references i m sure NUMBER obviously elfin details e g the backlight inlet other details usbNUMBER x preferred firewire would be needed if that s unavailable options like NUMBER NUMBERb or attabhable wifi hub for ethernet port should round out the offering an option for just released NUMBER micron pNUMBER with mobile power features could make more reviewers greenlight the series much better power consumption and almost certainly a higher a top clock come with that compactflash smartmedia and mmc flash memory card interfaces would be very pleasant i ve 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you meant surprisingly perceptive didn t you recent exceptionally vivid and strange dreams lead me to believe i m sparking synapses that have lain dormant lo these many years lots of problem solving going on up there at night original message from garym URL mailto garym URL on behalf of gary lawrence murphy sent monday september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm to geege schuman cc johnhall evergo net fork subject re recommended viewing g geege schuman geege barrera org writes g i m sure it s some neurochemical process initiated during g the dream that is still cycling thru like a deja vu g triggered by memory processes where you don t actually g remember but you feel like you re remembering that s very perceptive of you many people are not so willing to accept their personal reality as skewed by their neuro physiology a great many popular con games exist by exploiting the perceptions of these states another oft exploited neuro plausibility the brain is a pretty darn fine analog associative computer so it could be the neurochemical events during the dream have associated themselves with some inner or external cue to mentally _recreate_ the state perception like the predictable tone on striking a bell gary lawrence murphy garym teledyn com teledynamics communications inc business advantage through community software URL computers are useless they can only give you answers pablo picasso

gordon mohr it was clear you were talking about averages but it should be equally clear that that isn t what people mean when they use the word promiscuity sigh this sprung out of a report linked by cindy about the promiscuity of female monkeys with males other than the alpha male i e specifically not the tail end of the distribution by mating with as many extra group males as possible female langurs ensure etc ok then consider a population of NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER men each pair off with NUMBER NUMBER women then NUMBER man let s call him wilt also has sex with the other NUMBER NUMBER women this has never happened its relevance is nil averages are useful sure but much more so if called by their actual name rather than conflated with another concept so i chose not to type on average explicitly in my post since this is fork and one tends to assume that people have a clue there is no disagreement between us except that i am more interested in typical behaviour and you in extreme actually you probably just had a bad day and felt like jumping down my throat for the hell of it eot afaic r

g geege schuman geege barrera org writes g you meant surprisingly perceptive didn t you of course dear especially without zazen training veritably operational thetan like g recent exceptionally vivid and strange dreams lead me to g believe i m sparking synapses that have lain dormant lo these g many years lots of problem solving going on up there at g night it s a myth that we don t use parts of our brain we use it all always it s just that our culturally induced focal point causes most of us to most of the time ignore and waste NUMBER NUMBER of it lucid is a measure of notch filter bandwidth all stations are broadcasting but we only choose easy rock NUMBER for example don t look now but your shoes are full of feet the sensation of toes the above statement evokes is not a turning on of circuits it is a tuning in the next step of course is to drop out to paraphrase an old saw life is wasted on the living gary lawrence murphy garym teledyn com teledynamics communications inc business advantage through community software URL computers are useless they can only give you answers pablo picasso

on NUMBER sep NUMBER gary lawrence murphy wrote it s a myth that we don t use parts of our brain we use it all always it s just that our culturally induced focal point causes most of us to most of the time ignore and waste NUMBER NUMBER of it lucid is a measure of notch filter bandwidth all stations are broadcasting but we only choose easy rock NUMBER for example don t look now but your shoes are full of feet nice imagery when the filters come down choose your method it is very much the case not only are your shoes full of toes but your toes are full of bones blood muscle and toejam all these things are evident unless you got your filters up life the ultimate spam tom

i m not sure which way to make the old bits call on this a URL was posted well after b URL was in the archives but then again b didn t bother with any commentary new bits if you two can agree upon who was at fault penance will be to explain how feedback phase is affected by time lags and tie that in to the spontaneous generation of business cycles in the beer game dave URL see also explaining capacity overshoot and price war misperceptions of feedback in competitive growth markets URL in which the scenario NUMBER margin oriented tit for tat seems close to the strategy described in game theoretical gandhi more laptops URL

this article from URL has been sent to you by khare URL sure does explain fork not yet abandoned rohit khare URL some friends indeed do more harm than good september NUMBER NUMBER by mary duenwald friends are supposed to be good for you in recent years scientific research has suggested that people who have strong friendships experience less stress they recover more quickly from heart attacks and they are likely to live longer than the friendless they are even less susceptible to the common cold studies show but not all friends have such a salutary effect some lie insult and betray some are overly needy some give too much advice psychologists and sociologists are now calling attention to the negative health effects of bad friends friendship is often very painful said dr harriet lerner a psychologist and the author of the dance of connection in a close enduring friendship jealousy envy anger and the entire range of difficult emotions will rear their heads one has to decide whether the best thing is to consider it a phase in a long friendship or say this is bad for my health and i m disbanding it another book when friendship hurts by dr jan yager a sociologist at the university of connecticut at stamford advises deliberately leaving bad friends by the wayside there s this myth that friendships should last a lifetime dr yager said but sometimes it s better that they end that social scientists would wait until now to spotlight the dangers of bad friends is understandable considering that they have only recently paid close attention to friendship at all marriage and family relationships between siblings or parents and children have been seen as more important of course troubled friendships are far less likely to lead to depression or suicide than troubled marriages are and children are seldom seriously affected when friendships go bad as a popular author of relationship advice books dr lerner said never once have i had anyone write and say my best friend hits me dr beverley fehr a professor of psychology at the university of winnipeg noted that sociological changes like a NUMBER percent divorce rate have added weight to the role of friends in emotional and physical health now that a marital relationship can t be counted on for stability the way it was in the past and because people are less likely to be living with or near extended family members people are shifting their focus to friendships as a way of building community and finding intimacy said dr fehr the author of friendship processes until the past couple of years the research on friendship focused on its health benefits now we re starting to look at it as a more full relationship said dr suzanna rose a professor of psychology at florida international university in miami like marriage friendship also has negative characteristics the research is in its infancy psychologists have not yet measured the ill effects of bad friendship dr fehr said so far they have only through surveys and interviews figured out that it is a significant problem the early research dr fehr added is showing that betrayal by a friend can be more devastating than experts had thought how can a friend be bad most obviously dr rose said by drawing a person into criminal or otherwise ill advised pursuit when you think of people who were friends at enron she added you can see how friendship can support antisocial behavior betrayal also makes for a bad friendship when friends split up said dr keith e davis a professor of psychology at the university of south carolina it is often in cases where one has shared personal information or secrets that the other one wanted to be kept confidential another form of betrayal dr yager said is when a friend suddenly turns cold without ever explaining why it s more than just pulling away she said the silent treatment is actually malicious at least as devastating is an affair with the friend s romantic partner as recently happened to one of dr lerner s patients i would not encourage her to hang in there and work this one out dr lerner said a third type of bad friendship involves someone who insults the other person dr yager said one of the NUMBER people who responded to dr yager s most recent survey on friendship described how when she was NUMBER her best friend called her a derogatory name the woman now NUMBER was so devastated that she feels she has been unable to be fully open with people ever since dr yager said emotional abuse may be less noticeable than verbal abuse but it is more insidious dr yager said some people constantly set up their friends she explained they ll have a party not invite the friend but make sure he or she finds out risk takers betrayers and abusers are the most extreme kinds of bad friends dr yager said but they are not the only ones she identifies NUMBER different varieties occupying the second tier of badness are the liar the person who is overly dependent the friend who never listens the person who meddles too much in a friend s life the competitor and the loner who prefers not to spend time with friends most common is the promise breaker this includes everyone from the person who says let s have a cup of coffee but something always comes up at the last minute to someone who promises to be there for you when you need them but then isn t dr yager said some friendships go bad as some romantic relationships do when one of the people gradually or suddenly finds reasons to dislike the other one with couples it can take NUMBER to NUMBER months for someone to discover there s something important they don t like about the other person said dr rose of florida international one might find for example that in subtle ways the other person is a racist in friendships which are less intense it may take even more time for one person to meet the other s dislike criteria whether a friendship is worth saving dr lerner said depends on how large the injury is sometimes the mature thing is to lighten up and let something go she added it s also an act of maturity sometimes to accept another person s limitations acceptance should come easier among friends than among spouses dr lerner said because people have more than one friend and do not need a full range of emotional support from each one but if the friendship has deteriorated to the point where one friend truly dislikes the other one or finds that the friendship is causing undue stress the healthy response is to pull away dr yager said to stop sharing the personal or intimate details of life and start being too busy to get together ever it takes two people to start and maintain a friendship but only one to end it dr yager said friendship because it is voluntary and unregulated is far easier to dissolve than marriage but it is also comparatively fragile experts say ideally the loss of a bad friendship should leave a person with more time and appreciation for good ones dr lerner said it is wise to pay attention to your friendships and have them in order while you re healthy and your life and work are going well she said because when a crisis hits when someone you love dies or you lose your job and your health insurance when the universe gives you a crash course in vulnerability you will discover how crucial and life preserving good friendship is URL how to advertise for information on advertising in e mail newsletters or other creative advertising opportunities with the new york times on the web please contact onlinesales URL or visit our online media kit at URL for general information about URL write to help URL copyright NUMBER the new york times company

robert harley writes ok then consider a population of NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER men each pair off with NUMBER NUMBER women then NUMBER man let s call him wilt also has sex with the other NUMBER NUMBER women this has never happened its relevance is nil it was a extreme contrived example because you glosded over the point of the earlier NUMBER person example but ok mr math let it be n men and women for any n NUMBER they all pair off then some number h n h NUMBER of men has sex with all the other n NUMBER women he hasn t yet had sex with pick any n and h that might be interesting any choice of values results in meaningful differences between the sexes promiscuity as commonly understood it should be more obvious with extreme choices of numbers but it is also true for any choice of n and h if unrealistic totals distract you further and i was hoping this would be clear without saying so outright this model actually approximates the cliche common wisdom about per gender sexual behavior if you reverse the male and female roles those stereotypes are that more men than women seek multiple partners men being more promiscuous than women and that surplus of male interest is satisfied by a smaller number of hyperpromiscuous women often derisively labelled sluts so i chose not to type on average explicitly in my post since this is fork and one tends to assume that people have a clue there is no disagreement between us except that i am more interested in typical behaviour and you in extreme nope now you ve amended the meaning of your initial statement to make it more defensible what i objected to was robert harley the assumption that females of all species tend to be less promiscuous than males simply does not fit the facts hrdy contended well duh it is perfectly obvious that heterosexual promiscuity is exactly precisely identical between males and females of course the shapes of the distributions may differ if you assumed people on fork had a clue would you have needed to jump in with a patronizing duh if you were talking about fuzzy typical behavior would you have huffed and puffed with the words perfectly obvious and exactly precisely identical if your concern was with the typical why didn t you adopt the typical definition of promiscuous rather than a straw man definition which allowed you to interject duh and mock an anthrolopology professor s conclusions actually you probably just had a bad day and felt like jumping down my throat for the hell of it you are welcome to that theory but here s an alternate theory when you jump in with a patronizing and overblown pronouncement e g duh perfectly obvious exactly precisely identical and that pronouncement is itself sloppy and erroneous then others may get a kick out of popping your balloon gordon

dreams are like radio analogy i program my jetta monsoon for planet NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER s NUMBER NUMBER and npr NUMBER NUMBER but when i leave my local broadcast range i have to scan for new stations dreaming is outside my local broadcast range original message from garym URL mailto garym URL on behalf of gary lawrence murphy sent tuesday september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER am to geege schuman cc johnhall evergo net fork subject re recommended viewing g geege schuman geege barrera org writes g you meant surprisingly perceptive didn t you of course dear especially without zazen training veritably operational thetan like g recent exceptionally vivid and strange dreams lead me to g believe i m sparking synapses that have lain dormant lo these g many years lots of problem solving going on up there at g night it s a myth that we don t use parts of our brain we use it all always it s just that our culturally induced focal point causes most of us to most of the time ignore and waste NUMBER NUMBER of it lucid is a measure of notch filter bandwidth all stations are broadcasting but we only choose easy rock NUMBER for example don t look now but your shoes are full of feet the sensation of toes the above statement evokes is not a turning on of circuits it is a tuning in the next step of course is to drop out to paraphrase an old saw life is wasted on the living gary lawrence murphy garym teledyn com teledynamics communications inc business advantage through community software URL computers are useless they can only give you answers pablo picasso

URL microsoft tuesday said it has purchased a mountain view calif based security company to better secure its core file services including its windows platform and net initiative the redmond wash based software giant has acquired the assets of xdegrees for an undisclosed amount of cash and is in the process of relocating the team of NUMBER or NUMBER engineers to the microsoft campus xdegrees technology assigns urls to word files video clips and other digital documents for access across a peer to peer network xdegrees founder michael tanne was offered a job but decided instead to play his hand in the silicon valley xdegrees technology assigns urls to word files video clips and other digital documents for access across a peer to peer network assigns urls to word files and somebody bought that URL the xdegrees system allows users to easily and consistently locate access and manage information by assigning each document a unique link providing end to end security the xdegrees system unifies authentication of all users provides file level access control and encrypts all stored and transferred files seamless integration with existing applications such as email clients and microsoft office products allows companies to rapidly deploy the xdegrees system and users to get up and running quickly whoa high tech more bits here URL the essence of xdegrees consists of a naming system and a distributed database that allows peers to resolve resource names xdegrees manages these services for customers on its own hosts and sells its software to enterprises so they can define and run their own namespaces on in house servers you can search for a particular person whatever device the person is currently using for a particular device for a file or even for a web service the software that resolves resource names is called xrns the extensible resource name system

i like this part sounds like httpd on the client URL once the client component is installed a server can order a program to run on the client any cgi script java servlet asp component etc could be run on the client this is like breaking the web server into two parts originally web servers just understood http and sent pages then the field started demanding more from the web and the servers got loaded down with cgi and mod_perl and active pages and stuff so now the web server can choose to go back to simple serving and where the application is appropriate let the client do the other razzamatazz this is superior to javascript in one important detail the program doesn t have to reload when a new page is loaded as javascript functions do and because xdegrees uses web compatible technology users can access xdegrees resources without installing any software simply by using their browser scaling is the main question that comes to mind when somebody describes a new naming and searching system ceo michael tanne claims to have figured out mathematically that the system can scale up to millions of users and billions of resources scaling is facilitated by the careful location of servers xdegrees will colocate servers at key routing points as akamai does and by directing clients to the nearest server as their default home server enterprise customers can use own servers to manage in house applications files can be cached on multiple systems randomly scattered around the internet as with napster or freenet in fact the caching in xdegrees is more sophisticated than it is on those systems users with high bandwidth connections can download portions or stripes of a file from several cached locations simultaneously the xdegrees software then reassembles these stripes into the whole file and uses digital signatures to verify that the downloaded file is the same as the original a key component of this digital signature is a digest of the file which is stored as an http header for the file

mr fork writes files can be cached on multiple systems randomly scattered around the internet as with napster or freenet in fact the caching in xdegrees is more sophisticated than it is on those systems users with high bandwidth connections can download portions or stripes of a file from several cached locations simultaneously the xdegrees software then reassembles these stripes into the whole file and uses digital signatures to verify that the downloaded file is the same as the original a key component of this digital signature is a digest of the file which is stored as an http header for the file this more sophisticated than napster or freenet part seems to be the same behavior implemented in many other pNUMBERp cdns such as kazaa edonkey overnet bittorrent gnutella with huge extensions onionnetworks webraid though the quality of the digest used by each system varies wildly gordon

at NUMBER NUMBER pm NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER adam rifkin wrote i repeat ibm NUMBER NUMBERgb ultra dma NUMBER hard drive at fry s for NUMBER home of fast friendly courteous service r i kid you not that s a half a cent a megabyte for storage not el cheapo storage but top of the line storage less than two years later we have NUMBER gb for the same price URL maxtor driving capacity centric enterprise apps with super sized ata drives maxtor continues its leadership in the market it pioneered with a new category of high density ata drives milpitas calif september NUMBER NUMBER maxtor corporation nyse mxo a worldwide leader in hard disk drives and data storage solutions today announced maxtor maxlinetm its newest generation of ata drives designed specifically for rapidly emerging enterprise storage applications including near line media storage and network storage the maxline family features two critical differentiators huge capacities up to NUMBER gb for corporate archiving and media recording and unique manufacturing and quality for NUMBER NUMBER operations with mean time to failure mttf rates exceeding one million hours the maxline family is designed to bring hard disk drives into near line archive applications by adding a layer of maxline drives to archive architectures companies can instantly recover time critical data including executive e mail transaction data and accounting data that may need to be recovered on demand these new drives are designed to solve another enterprise problem with the storage of video media and audio conference call files even compressed these files take up tremendous amounts of high cost server space priced starting around NUMBER NUMBER to NUMBER NUMBER msrp maxtor s maxline family offers high capacity drives for enterprise applications at price points between traditional ata and scsi drives for system oems and white box builders maxline offers high density easy to integrate storage for use in entry level and mid size server environments the demand for instant recall of archived data is expanding as companies are meeting their obligations to quickly access executive e mails financial documents and transaction records said mike dooley senior director of marketing for the desktop products group at maxtor users may not need to access information in these applications on a daily basis but when they do need access it must be instant recent advances in ata technology and our manufacturing processes allow us to build upon our legacy of experience and provide our customers with a family of premium ata hard drives that can be integrated into a variety of systems for these enterprise applications the maxline family includes the NUMBER rpm maxline ii designed for capacities up to NUMBER gb and the NUMBER rpm maxline plus ii designed for capacities up to NUMBER gb at these capacities maxline offers higher storage density than many tape and optical solutions these drives have also been tested and are projected to meet enterprise reliability requirements already exceeded by prior drives employing the same robust maxtor designs which exceed mttf of over one million hours these drives will also carry a three year warranty the maxline ii and maxline plus ii feature the maxtor fast drivetm ultraata NUMBER interface for data transfer speeds up to NUMBER mb per second the maxline ii and maxline plus ii will be available with next generation serial ata interface for higher performance at NUMBER mb per second maximum data transfer rate serial ata improves hard drive performance to keep pace with the rapidly increasing performance requirements of data intensive environments and enterprise applications with a point to point connection architecture and rich command set for managing hard drive activity and data flow along the interface serial ata advances the performance and efficiency of the drive to system interface the interface s reduced pin count allows for simpler cabling which in turn allows better airflow within a system and further benefits the user with increased design flexibility and hot plug capability maxtor s maxline family of drives provide a solution for storing data that has previously been too expensive to keep on disk said dave reinsel analyst at idc the ata drives offer a great value low cost per gb and when integrated into storage systems and file servers offer a compelling cost effective alternative to tape libraries and optical drives which have been the traditional solutions used for near line applications availability limited qualification units of the parallel ata versions of maxtor maxline ii and maxline plus ii are now available with volume units available in the fourth quarter qualification units of the maxline ii and maxline plus ii with serial ata will be available later this month with volume shipments scheduled to begin in the first quarter of NUMBER about maxtor maxtor corporation URL is one of the world s leading suppliers of information storage 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URL september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER a m the wages of september NUMBER there is no going back september NUMBER changed our world those who deny such a watershed event take a superficially short term view and seem to think all is as before simply because the sun still rises and sets this is a colossal misjudgment the collapse of the towers the crashing into the pentagon and the murder of NUMBER NUMBER americans all seen live in real time by millions the world over tore off a scab and exposed deep wounds which if and when they heal will leave ugly scars for decades the killers dealt in icons the choice of NUMBER as the date of death targeting the manifest symbols of global capitalism and american military power and centering their destruction on the largest jewish city in the world yes they got their symbols in spades but they have no idea that their killing has instead become emblematic of changes that they could scarcely imagine islamic fundamentalism has proved not ascendant but static morally repugnant and the worst plague upon the arab world since the crusades by lurking in the shadows and killing incrementally through stealth the vampirish terrorists garnered bribes and subsidies through threats and bombs but pale and wrinkled in the daylight after NUMBER NUMBER they prove only ghoulish not fearsome the more the world knows of al qaeda and bin laden the more it has found them both vile and yet banal and so is confident and eager to eradicate them and all they stand for it is one thing to kill innocents quite another to take on the armed might of an aroused united states easily dodging a solo cruise missile in the vastness of afghanistan may make good theater and bring about braggadocio dealing with grim american and british commandos who have come NUMBER NUMBER miles for your head prompts abject flight and an occasional cheap infomercial on the run and the ultimate consequence of the attacks of september NUMBER will not merely be the destruction of al qaeda but also the complete repudiation of the taliban the iranian mullocracy the plague of the pakistani madrassas and any other would be fundamentalist paradise on earth foreign relations will not be the same in our generation our coalition with europe we learn was not a partnership but more mere alphabetic nomenclature and the mutual back scratching of euro american globetrotters a paper alliance without a mission nearly NUMBER years after the end of the cold war the truth is that europe out of noble purposes for a decade has insidiously eroded its collective national sovereignty in order to craft an antidemocratic eu a NUMBER NUMBER person fuzzy bureaucracy whose executive power is as militarily weak as it is morally ambiguous in its reliance on often dubious international accords this sad realization september NUMBER brutally exposed and we all should cry for the beloved continent that has for the moment completely lost its moral bearings indeed as the months progressed the problems inherent in the european way became all too apparent pretentious utopian manifestos in lieu of military resoluteness abstract moralizing to excuse dereliction of concrete ethical responsibility and constant american ankle biting even as europe lives in a make believe shire while we keep back the forces of mordor from its picturesque borders with only a few brave frodos and bilbos tagging along nothing has proved more sobering to americans than the skepticism of these blinkered european hobbits after september NUMBER america learned that moderate arab countries are as dangerous as hostile islamic nations after september NUMBER being a saudi egyptian or kuwaiti means nothing special to an american at least not proof of being any more friendly or hostile than having libyan syrian or lebanese citizenship indeed our entire postwar policy of propping up autocracies on the triad of their anticommunism oil and arms purchases like nato belongs to a pre NUMBER NUMBER age of soviet aggrandizement and petroleum monopolies now we learn that broadcasting state sponsored hatred of israel and the united states is just as deadly to our interests as scud missiles and as likely to come from friends as enemies worst case scenarios like iran and afghanistan offer more long term hope than stable regimes like the saudis governments that hate us have populations that like us and vice versa the saudi royal family whom NUMBER NUMBER american troops protect and the mubarak autocracy which has snagged billions of american dollars are as afraid of democratic reformers as they are islamic fundamentalists and with good reason islamic governments in iran and under the taliban were as hated by the masses as arab secular reformers in exile in the west are praised and championed the post NUMBER NUMBER domestic calculus is just as confusing generals and the military brass call civilians who seek the liberation of iraq chicken hawks and worse yet such traditional vietnam era invective i think rings hollow after september NUMBER and sounds more like mcclellan s shrillness against his civilian overseers who precipitously wanted an odious slavery ended than resonant of patton s audacity in charging after murderous nazis more americans were destroyed at work in a single day than all those soldiers killed in enemy action since the evacuation of vietnam nearly NUMBER years ago indeed most troops who went through the ghastly inferno of vietnam are now in or nearing retirement and thank god there is no generation of americans in the present military other than a few thousand brave veterans of the gulf mogadishu and panama who have been in sustained and deadly shooting with heavy casualties because american soldiers and their equipment are as impressive as our own domestic security is lax in this gruesome war it may well be more perilous to work high up in lower manhattan fly regularly on a jumbo jet or handle mail at the pentagon or cia than be at sea on a sub or destroyer real concern for the sanctity of life may hinge on employing rather than rejecting force inasmuch as our troops are as deadly and protected abroad as our women children aged and civilians are impotent and vulnerable at home it seems to me a more moral gamble to send hundreds of pilots into harm s way than allow a madman to further his plots to blow up or infect thousands in high rises politics have been turned upside down in the old days cynical conservatives were forced to hold their noses and to practice a sometimes repellent realpolitik in the age of russian expansionism they were loathe to champion democracy when it might usher in a socialist trojan horse whose belly harbored totalitarians disguised as parliamentarians thus they were so often at loggerheads with naïve and idealist leftists no longer the end of the specter of a deadly and aggressive soviet communism has revived democratic ideology as a force in diplomacy champions of freedom no longer sigh and back opportunistic rightist thugs who promise open economics loot their treasuries and keep out the russians instead even reactionaries are now more likely to push for democratic governments in the middle east than are dour and skeptical leftists the latter if multiculturalists often believe that democracy is a value neutral western construct not necessarily a universal good if pacifists they claim nonintervention not justice as their first priority the right not the left now is the greater proponent of global freedom liberation and idealism with obvious domestic ramifications for any republican president astute enough to tap that rich vein of popular support all this and more are the wages of the disaster of september NUMBER and the subsequent terrible year and yet it is likely that for good or evil we will see things even more incredible in the twelve months ahead

begin pgp signed message hash shaNUMBER say amen somebody what the wsj said appended below the wtc as constructed was a confiscatory government boondoggle expropriated from the original pre construction property owners at the behest of a third generation trust fund aristocrat for the good of the city and owned by an authority looking for something else to do after it and its coach hounds in organized labor and organized crime had killed what was the largest port in the world s richest nation now of course it s about to get worse the sins of NUMBER years ago have been compounded at the hands of two kinds of literally irrational fanatics first those in religion and now those in government as a result a large part of NUMBER million square feet of once perfectly usable office space devoted at least ostensibly to commerce will be granted away in a potlatch that only government and special interest communities or stakeholders or whatever the cryptosocialist psycho rabble call themselves this week can organize to such perfection all this in probably the only city in the country that was founded by a business explicitly for the purpose of commerce not religious fanaticism not colonial expansion in a monarch s name commerce if they really wanted to make a point to the superstitious luddites who collapsed those buildings using probably the only sharp objects on a plane full of government disarmed passengers the so called authority should disband itself and sell its property off to the highest bidder and let the market the cure to all luddism foreign and domestic government and superstitious decide if the new private owner wants to sell or give away a space for a memorial fine they could sell tickets and donate the money to the families of the dead and injured probably great for marketing the property at least during the lifetime of anyone who remembers the event and of course if the new owner wants to build something twice as tall or with twice as much space than the original NUMBER million square feet splendid whatever the market will bear in these days of increasingly ubiquitous trans national geodesic internetworks of strong financial cryptography and of exponentially decreasing transaction costs in formerly monolithic industries economics and freedom can and will prevail over both superstition and statism it s probably too much to hope for an actual market in lower manhattan mega real estate to prevail this early in the game but it s going to happen sooner or later and whenever it does that will be a fitting memorial to those who died at the world trade center cheers rah URL the wall street journal september NUMBER NUMBER review outlook a living memorial as we write these words we can look down from our offices into the six story crater where the twin towers once stood like everyone else we want that site to be rebuilt in a way that honors those who died a year ago but we also think the best memorial to those who perished would be a living one the site of the world trade center calls forth many emotions especially today anger grief and respect for the many acts of heroism that took place there but underlying it all is the memory of the enormous vitality that distinguished the towers before they were attacked and was a large reason they were targeted the best expression of the spirit of new york and of those who died would be to once again see thousands of people from dozens of countries working meeting shopping eating that is engaged in the sort of productive work and play that used to take place there osama bin laden should not be allowed to have turned it into a cemetery but restoring this memory is not what the discussion in new york has been about so far no one is talking seriously about the vigorous rebuilding of downtown manhattan which lost NUMBER NUMBER jobs when the trade center fell instead the discussion centers on the size and scale of the memorial and on satisfying every political interest now clamoring for a piece of the action new york s political leadership and its financial and media elites are squandering a historic chance to rebuild a better more prosperous city this is in part the fault of the commission tasked with figuring out what to do with the site in consultation with new york governor george pataki who is thinking primarily about his own november re election the commission made the decision to focus first on the memorial the manhattan institute s steve malanga argues that the commission would have been better off setting aside a limited space for the memorial getting on with the rebuilding and then returning to the memorial this is in essence what the pentagon has so successfully done rebuild immediately and set aside two acres for an outdoor memorial a design for which has yet to be decided a big part of the problem in new york is that the city s anti development activists know an opening when they see one they want the world trade center site and even some surrounding areas transformed into an enormous park these political advocates have had plenty of practice at turning proposed development projects in new york into a nightmare of delay and litigation and the world trade center site is now getting the same treatment worse they are cynically using some bereaved family members to advance their own anti development agenda in the name of honoring the dead one family group even called a press conference to reject as disrespectful a proposed train line under the site we are not experts in designing war memorials but we re confident that a gigantic park in the heart of the world s financial center isn t the appropriate choice for those who died a year ago the great cities of europe and japan devastated in world war ii have all rebuilt and with memorials that are integrated into modern urban life perhaps the most powerful is found in rotterdam the dutch port city reduced to rubble by german bombing where survivors erected a statue of a man with a hole where his heart used to be in this country the practice has been for the names of war dead to be inscribed on the walls of institutions with which they were affiliated if you walk into nassau hall at princeton university you ll find the names of NUMBER alumni who died in the revolutionary war the war of NUMBER the civil war the spanish american war world war i world war ii korea and southeast asia no one thinks it disrespectful to the dead that the life of the university goes on around the walls containing their names in new york now it would help if political leaders looked beyond the emotional tug of the victims and their families to the city s future rudolph giuliani now that he s out office wants the entire NUMBER acres devoted to the memorial governor pataki has called for no structures on the footprints which being in the center of the site would severely curtail options mayor michael bloomberg initially raised his voice in favor of commercial development but was bloodied by the press and has since ducked for cover maybe things will be different after this anniversary is past maybe those responsible for the world trade center site will start thinking more about the next NUMBER or NUMBER years than the past NUMBER months the best way to honor the dead is by reviving normal life and commerce begin pgp signature version pgp NUMBER NUMBER iqa awubpxNUMBERzdNUMBERpxhNUMBERjfNUMBERohaeqiNUMBERaacgvNUMBERmtbNUMBERvktprjNUMBERmjqtNUMBERoyzyifzusanNUMBER fgnkontnaNUMBER smloNUMBERtbNUMBERxybcNUMBER NUMBERaz end pgp signature r a hettinga mailto rah ibuc com the internet bearer underwriting corporation URL NUMBER farquhar street boston ma NUMBER usa however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity predicting the end of the world has not been found agreeable to experience edward gibbon decline and fall of the roman empire

URL dear garrison there are at least six plans about what to do with ground zero in new york i believe a suitable memorial surrounded by a lovely park with benches walkways children s playgrounds possibly some concessions such as a restaurant small theater and a place for art works would be the best tribute to those who lost their lives what do you think should done with the space joe adams hillsdale new jersey i dread the thought of a big memorial in manhattan that s designed by committee and that s gone through public hearings and so forth it s going to be cold and ugly and pretentious and the upshot will be one more public space that the public hates of which there are plenty already new york is a bustling commercial city and that s the beauty of it it s a city of young ambitious dreamy people like the folks who died in the towers and it s not a memorializing city historic events occurred in new york that in any other city would be commemorated with interpretive centers and guides and historical museums and in new york there s barely a little plaque that s a great thing in my estimation it s a hustling city full of immigrants looking for their big chance and compared to that spirit of entrepreneurship a memorial plaza with a fountain and a statue of something seems dead to me look at grant s tomb who walks past it and thinks about president grant nobody people sit in the plaza by grant s tomb and think about lunch about sex about money about all the things that new york is about if you want to find grant read his memoirs his monument seems odd in new york it belongs in washington which is our memorial city new york is for the young and lively

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gays gay sex gay marriage wooohooo its been a mano e mano week and thursady will be the mass market consumer period on it the wwe s gay marriage cermemony is in the can that is its been filmed last night for thursady nights smackdown did they do it tastefully oh come on its the wwe for cripssake of course they didnt did they use it ot promote an story line despite the wwe throwing away more good story lines in the last NUMBER years than a wood chuck who could chuck wood if the enviromentalists did not slap lawsuits on them the sotrywrites seemed to have finaly hit on a big tie togther event for several story lines but of course no one here watches the wwe and not even because you would rather watch old divxs of the ecw so this little bit is probably fallign on the old killsawfiles so i wont be bursting anyones thursdaynight plans if i smarkout and say that b and c waver near the final vows the blame is falling on ricco thier manager for pushing them to carry out their gay act far too long and just when things look to be heating up with that story arc the mask comes off the justice of the piece as he pronounces that they have gone NUMBER minutes yes NUMBER minutes too long yep its the bisch and in come rosey and jamal to attempt a stomping on stpehnie mcmahon hopefully they did not get off a kick like they did on the first lesbain back on mondays raw as that broke a rib of course the editing truck boys might change some none or all of this around so if thursday nights tape play reveals them hitch and on thier way to a honeymoon thats the luck o the smarkies i doubt it will be edited much though from the way i heard it so the bottomline is they really were not gay all along they were play acting and it got out of hand because ricco made them steaphnie gets a face push while the bisch gets a thursady night special NUMBER min heel push thus furthing the story arc of the brand split rosey and jamala get heat and b and c get a new tag team to play with ricco who knows maybe some heat time would be good for him as a single all this of course at a time when the ratting are in the bottom of a NUMBER year valley of gloom the last NUMBER years have been mostly squandered on borken story arc promises and bad acting and to top it all off mick is no longer ont he sceen so bang bang how can it be all good well its back to my growing ecw divx collection where tajiri was the shiz and mick cut promos unrivaled by any of todays mic monkeys todays managers are a far cry form the managers of the NUMBER s early NUMBER s ricco is nota paul bearer or a jimmy heart at all but more like a buddy who goes to the ring with them and occasional interferes ugh

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NUMBER minutes ii bush interview cbs no president since abraham lincoln has seen such horrific loss of life in a war on american soil no president since james madison nearly NUMBER years ago has seen the nation s capital city successfully attacked but one year ago president george w bush was thrown into the first great crisis of the NUMBERst century this is the president s story of september NUMBERth and the week america went to war NUMBER minutes ii spent two hours with mr bush one on air force one and another in the oval office last week even after a year the president is still moved sometimes to the point of tears when he remembers sept NUMBER i knew the farther we get away from sept NUMBER the more likely it is for some around the world to forget the mission but not me mr bush says during the air force one interview not me i made the pledge to myself and to people that i m not going to forget what happened on sept NUMBER so long as i m president we will pursue the killers and bring them to justice we owe that to those who have lost their lives the memories come back sharp and clear on air force one where pelley joined the president for a recent trip across country NUMBER minutes ii wanted to talk to him there because that is where he spent the first hours after the attack not since lyndon johnson was sworn in on air force one has the airplane been so central to america in a crisis for president bush sept NUMBER NUMBER started with the usual routine before dawn the president was on his four mile run it was just before NUMBER a m and at the same moment another man was on the move mohammad atta two hours later as mr bush drove to an elementary school hijackers on four planes were murdering the flight crews and turning the airliners east as the motorcade neared the school at NUMBER NUMBER a m jet engines echoed in manhattan atta plunged the NUMBER jumbo jet into world trade center tower one i thought it was an accident says mr bush i thought it was a pilot error i thought that some foolish soul had gotten lost and and made a terrible mistake mr bush was told about the first plane just before sitting down with a class of second graders he was watching a reading drill when just after nine united flight NUMBER exploded into the second tower there was the sudden realization that what had seemed like a terrible mistake was a coordinated attack back in the florida classroom press secretary ari fleischer got the news on his pager the president s chief of staff andy card stepped in a second plane hit the second tower america is under attack card told the president when he said those words what did he see in the president s face i saw him coming to recognition of what i had said card recalls i think he understood that he was going to have to take command as commander in chief not just as president what was going through bush s mind when he heard the news we re at war and somebody has dared attack us and we re going to do something about it mr bush recalls i realized i was in a unique setting to receive a message that somebody attacked us and i was looking at these little children and all of the sudden we were at war i can remember noticing the press pool and the press corps beginning to get the calls and seeing the look on their face and it became evident that we were you know that the world had changed mr bush walked into a classroom set up with a secure phone he called the vice president pulling the phone cord tight as he spun to see the attack on tv then he grabbed a legal pad and quickly wrote his first words to the nation ladies and gentlemen this is a difficult moment for america he said in the speech today we ve had a national tragedy it was NUMBER NUMBER a m as he spoke mr bush didn t know that two more hijacked jets were streaking toward washington vice pesident dick cheney was in his office at the white house when a secret service agent ran in he said to me sir we have to leave immediately and grabbed put a hand on my belt another hand on my shoulder and propelled me out the door of my office cheney recalls i m not sure how they do it but they sort of levitate you down the hallway you move very fast there wasn t a lot of time for chitchat you know with the vice president says secret service director brian stafford who was in his command center ordering the round up of top officials and the first family he felt that he had only minutes to work with we knew there were unidentified planes tracking in our direction he says cheney was rushed deep under the white house into a bunker called the presidential emergency operations center it was built for war and this was it on her way down national security advisor condoleezza rice called mr bush it was brief because i was being pushed to get off the phone and get out of the west wing says rice they were hurrying me off the phone with the president and i just said he said i m coming back and we said mr president that may not be wise i remember stopping briefly to call my family my aunt and uncle in alabama and say i m fine you have to tell everybody that i m fine but then settling into trying to deal with the enormity of that moment and in the first few hours i think the thing that was on everybody s mind was how many more planes are coming the capitol was evacuated and for the first time ever the secret service executed the emergency plan to ensure the presidential line of succession agents swept up the NUMBER officials who stood to become president if the others were killed they wanted to move vice president cheney fearing he was in danger even in the bunker but cheney says when he heard the other officials were safe he decided to stay at the white house no matter what it s important to emphasize it s not personal you don t think of it in personal terms you ve got a professional job to do says cheney cheney was joined by transportation secretary norm mineta who remembers hearing the faa counting down the hijacked jets closing in on the capital says mineta someone came in and said mr vice president there s a plane NUMBER miles out then he came in and said its now NUMBER miles out we don t know where it is exactly but it s coming in low and fast it was american flight NUMBER at NUMBER NUMBER a m it exploded into the pentagon the first successful attack on washington since the war of NUMBER as the pentagon burned mr bush s limousine sped toward air force one in florida at that moment united flight NUMBER the last hijacked plane was taking dead aim at washington at the white house the staff was in the west wing cafeteria watching on tv press secretary jennifer millerwise was in the crowd when the order came to evacuate i no sooner walked outside when someone from the secret service yelled women drop your heels and run drop your heels and run and suddenly the gates that never open except for authorized vehicles just opened and the whole white house just flooded out she recalls in florida as mr bush boarded air force one he was overheard telling a secret service agent be sure to get the first lady and my daughters protected at NUMBER NUMBER a m air force one thundered down the runway blasting smoke and dust in a full hrust take off communications director dan bartlett was on board it was like a rocket he remembers for a good ten minutes the plane was going almost straight up at the same moment NUMBER minutes after it was hit world trade center tower two began to falter then cascade in an incomprehensible avalanche of steel concrete and human lives someone said to me look at that i remember that look at that and i looked up and i saw and i just remember a cloud of dust and smoke and the horror of that moment recalls rice of the tv newscast she also felt something in her gut that we ve lost a lot of americans and that eventually we would get these people i felt the anger of course i felt the anger down in the bunker cheney was trying to figure out how many hijacked planes there were officials feared there could be as many as NUMBER as the planes track toward washington a discussion begins about whether to shoot them down i discussed it with the president cheney recalls are we prepared to order our aircraft to shoot down these airliners that have been hijacked he said yes it was my advice it was his decision says cheney that s a sobering moment to order your own combat aircraft to shoot down your own civilian aircraft says bush but it was an easy decision to make given the given the fact that we had learned that a commercial aircraft was being used as a weapon i say easy decision it was i didn t hesitate let me put it that way i knew what had to be done the passengers on united flight NUMBER also knew what had to be done they fought for control and sacrificed themselves in a pennsylvania meadow the flight was NUMBER minutes from washington clearly the terrorists were trying to take out as many symbols of government as they could the pentagon perhaps the capitol perhaps the white house these people saved us not only physically but they saved us psychologically and symbolically in a very important way too says rice meanwhile tower one was weakening it had stood for an hour and NUMBER minutes at NUMBER NUMBER a m it buckled in a mirror image of the collapse of its twin the image that went round the world reached the first lady in a secure location somewhere in washington i was horrified she says i thought dear god protect as many citizens as you can it was a nightmare by NUMBER NUMBER a m america s largest city was devastated its military headquarters were burning air force one turned west along the gulf coast i can remember sitting right here in this office thinking about the consequences of what had taken place and realizing it was the defining moment in the history of the united states says president bush i didn t need any legal briefs i didn t need any consultations i knew we were at war mr bush says the first hours were frustrating he watched the horrifying pictures but the tv signal was breaking up his calls to cheney were cutting out mr bush says he pounded his desk shouting this is inexcusable get me the vice president i was trying to clear the fog of war and there is a fog of war says the president information was just flying from all directions chief of staff card brought in the reports there was word camp david had been hit a jet was thought to be targeting mr bush s ranch i remember hearing that the state department might have been hit or that the white house had a fire in it so we were hearing lots of different information says card they also feared that air force one itself was a target cheney told the president there was a credible threat against the plane using the code name for air force one mr bush told an aide angel is next the threat was passed to presidential pilot colonel mark tillman it was serious before that but now it is no longer is it a time to get the president home tillman says we actually have to consider everything we say everything we do could be intercepted and we have to make sure that no one knows what our position is tillman asked for an armed guard at his cockpit door while secret service agents double checked the identity of everyone on board the crew reviewed the emergency evacuation plan then came a warning from air traffic control a suspect airliner was dead ahead coming out of sarasota there was one call that said there was an airliner off our nose that they did not have contact with tillman remembers tillman took evasive action pulling his plane high above normal traffic they were on course for washington but by now no one thought that was a good idea except the president i wanted to come back to washington but the circumstances were such that it was just impossible for the secret service or the national security team to clear the way for air force one to come back says bush so air force one set course for an underground command center in nebraska back in washington the president s closest advisor karen hughes heard about the threat to the plane and placed a call to mr bush and the military operator came back to me and in a voice that to me sounded very shaken said ma am i m sorry we can t reach air force one hughes recalls hughes was out of the white house during the attacks when she came back it was a place she didn t recognize there were either military or maybe secret service dressed all in black holding machine guns as as we drove up and i never expected to see something like that in in our nation s capital says hughes when she walked into the white house no one was inside i knew it was a day that you didn t want to surprise anybody and so i yelled hello and two again kind of swat team members came running running through the the hall with again guns drawn and then took me to to the location where i met the vice president on air force one col tillman had a problem he needed to hide the most visible plane in the world a NUMBER longer than the white house itself he didn t want to use his radio because the hijackers could be listening to air traffic control so he called air traffic control on the telephone we actually didn t tell them our destination or what directions we were heading says tillman we we basically just talked to em and said ok fine we have no clearance at this time we are just going to fly across the united states controllers passed air force one from one sector to another warning each other to keep the route secret ok where s he going one tower radioed to another just watch him a second tower responded don t question him where s he s going just work him and watch him there s no flight plan in and we re not going to put anything in ok sir air force one ordered a fighter escort and air traffic control radioed back air force one got two f NUMBERs at about your NUMBER o clock position the staff and the president and us were filed out along the outside hallway of his presidential cabin there and looking out the windows says bartlett and the president gives them a signal of salute and the pilot kind of tips his wing and fades off and backs into formation the men in the f NUMBERs were shane brotherton and randy roberts from the texas air national guard their mission was so secret their commander wouldn t tell them where they were going he just said you ll know when you see it and that was my first clue i didn t have any idea what we were going up until that point says brotherton he knew when he saw it we we were trying to keep an NUMBER mile bubble bubble around air force one and we d investigate anything that was within NUMBER miles says roberts bush says he was not worried about the safety of the people on this aircraft or for his own safety i looked out the airplane and saw two f NUMBERs on each wing it was going to have to be a pretty good pilot to get us we now know that the threat to air force one was part of the fog of war a false alarm but it had a powerful effect at the time some wondered with the president out of sight was he still running the government he hadn t appeared after the attack on washington mr bush was clearly worried about it at one point he was overheard saying the american people want to know where their dang president is the staff considered an address to the nation by phone but instead mr bush ordered air force one to land somewhere within NUMBER minutes so he could appear on tv at NUMBER NUMBER a m they landed at barksdale air force base in louisiana the resolve of our great nation is being tested but make no mistake we will show the world that we will pass this test god bless bush said to the nation from barksdale at barksdale the secret service believed the situation in washington was still unsafe so the plane continued on to nebraska to the command center where mr bush would be secure and have all the communications gear he needed to run the government aboard air force one mr bush had a job for press secretary fleischer the president asked me to make sure that i took down everything that was said i think he wanted to make certain that a record existed says fleischer fleischer s notes capture mr bush s language plain and unguarded to the vice president he said we re at war dick we re going to find out who did this and kick their ass another time mr bush said we re not going to have any slap on the wrist crap this time the president adds i can remember telling the secretary of defense i said we re going to find out who did this and then mr secretary you and dick myers who we just named as chairman of the joint chiefs are going to go get them by NUMBER p m air force one touched down at offutt air force base in nebraska mr bush and his team were herded into a small brick hut that gave no hint of what they would find below at the bottom of the stairs was the u s strategic command underground command center it was built to transmit a president s order to go to nuclear war but when mr bush walked in the battle staff was watching the skies over the united states many airplanes had still not landed after a short briefing mr bush and card were taken to a teleconference center which connected them to the white house the pentagon the fbi and the cia mr bush had a question for his cia director george tenent according to rice bush asked tenent who had done this rice recalls that tenent answered sir i believe its al qaeda we re doing the assessment but it looks like it feels like it smells like al qaeda the evidence would build fbi director robert mueller says that an essential clue came from one of the hijacked planes before it crashed a flight attendant on american flight NUMBER amy sweeney had the presence of mind to call her office as the plane was hijacked and give them the seat numbers of the hijackers that was the first piece of hard evidence we could then go to the manifest find out who was sitting in those seats and immediately conduct an investigation of those individuals as opposed to taking all the passengers on the plane and going through a process of elimination says mueller in nebraska the white house staff was preparing for an address to the nation from the air force bunker but by then the president had had enough he decided to come back at one point he said he didn t want any tinhorn terrorist keeping him out of washington fleischer says that verbatim on board he was already thinking of issuing an ultimatum to the world i had time to think and a couple of thoughts emerged one was that you re guilty if you harbor a terrorist because i knew these terrorists like al qaeda liked to prey on weak government and weak people the other thought that came was the opportunity to fashion a vast coalition of countries that would either be with us or with the terrorists as air force one sped east the last casualty of the attack on america collapsed one of the nation s worst days wore into evening at the world trade center NUMBER NUMBER were killed at the pentagon NUMBER and in pennsylvania NUMBER altogether there were NUMBER NUMBER dead anybody who would attack america the way they did anybody who would take innocent life the way they did anybody who s so devious is evil bush said recently mr bush would soon see that evil face to face after arriving in washington he boarded his helicopter and flew past the pentagon on the way to the white house was there a time when he was afraid that there might not be a white house to return to i don t remember thinking about whether or not the white house would have been obliterated he recalls i think i might have thought they took their best shot and now it was time for us to take our best shot mr bush arrived back at the white house nine hours after the attacks his next step was an address to the nation karen hughes and her staff were already working on the speech he decided that the primary tone he wanted to strike that night was reassurance remembers hughes we had to show resolve we had to reassure people we had to let them know that we would be ok just off the oval office mr bush added the words that would become known as the bush doctrine no distinction between terrorists and those who harbor them the staff wanted to add a declaration of war but mr bush didn t think the american people wanted to hear it that night and he was emphatic about that he prepared to say it from the same desk where franklin roosevelt first heard the news of pearl harbor now bush was commander in chief eighty million americans were watching today our fellow citizens our way of life our very freedom came under attack in a series of deliberate and deadly terrorist acts he said from the oval office that night the oval office speech came at the end of the bloodiest day in american history since the civil war before he walked to the white house residence for the night mr bush dictated these words for the white house daily log the pearl harbor of the NUMBERst century took place today we think it s osama bin laden cbs when sept NUMBER dawned president bush was demanding a war plan no one in the white house or the pentagon could be sure of what the president would do in office for just eight months he d never been tested as commander in chief i never asked them what they thought president bush said of the pentagon brass because i didn t really because i knew what i was gonna do i knew exactly what had to be done scott and that was to set a strategy to seek justice find out who did it hunt them down and bring them to justice in the cabinet room the president made clear what was next the deliberate and deadly attacks which were carried out yesterday against our country were more than acts of terror they were acts of war he said to the war cabinet al qaeda was no surprise national security advisor condoleezza rice says the administration had been at work on a plan to strike bin laden s organization well before sept NUMBER the president said you know i m tired of swatting at flies i need a strategy to eliminate these guys rice recalls in one of the worst intelligence failures ever the cia and fbi didn t pick up clues that an attack in the united states was imminent without a sense of urgency the white house strategy the president had asked for came too late chief of staff andrew card recalls that the plan mr bush had asked for was literally headed to the president s desk i think on the eleventh tenth or eleventh of september on sept NUMBER the war cabinet was debating the full range of options who to hit and how to hit them there were some at the pentagon who worried in the early hours that mr bush would order up an immediate cruise missile strike of the kind that had not deterred bin laden in the past well there s a lot of nervous nellies at the pentagon anyway mr bush tells pelley a lot of people like to chatter you know more than they should but no i appreciate that very much secretary of defense donald rumsfeld early on discussed the idea of making sure we had what we called boots on the ground that if you re gonna go to war then you ve gotta go to war with all your assets the president says he wanted to fight and win a guerilla war with conventional means it was an innovative but risky idea being proposed by cia director george tenent tenent wanted to combine american technology and intelligence with the brute force of afghan fighters hostile to the taliban government secretary of state colin powell noting that the cia had already developed a long relationship with the afghan resistance called it an unconventional solution to an unconventional problem as i like to describe it to my friends powell says we had on the ground a fourth world army riding horses and living in tents with some cia and special forces with them and we had a first world air force the best in the world how do you connect it all the president gave them NUMBER hours to figure it out meanwhile mr bush went to the battlefield himself just the day before he had called the pentagon the mightiest building in the world now one fifth of it was in ruins the wreckage of american flight NUMBER was being examined by navy investigators and before mr bush left he made a point of speaking personally with the team recovering the remains of the first casualties of war on his watch the next day sept NUMBER there was another warning of attack that the public never heard about threats had been were coming in constantly but this one sounded credible a large truck bomb headed to the white house the secret service wanted the president back in the bunker he wasn t real receptive to that to that recommendation remembers brian stafford director of the secret service and he ordered a hamburger and said he was going to stay in the white house that evening and that s what he did the next day would be one of the longest and the most difficult for the president on friday sept NUMBER mr bush started the day with a cabinet meeting but he wept when he walked in and was surprised by applause he sat down slightly overcome for a moment but he recaptured it says powell who remembers being worried that the president might have trouble getting through his speech at the national memorial service later that morning and i just scribbled a little note to him powell recalls and i said mr president i ve learned over the years when you are going to give a very emotional speech watch out for certain words that will cause you to start to tear up he looked at me and he smiled and then at the next break in the conversation he said the secretary of state told me not to break down at the memorial service and that broke the tension and everybody started laughing and i felt embarrassed first lady laura bush was involved in planning the memorial service and she says she wanted it to be both dignified and comforting i wanted the psalms and everything to be read to be comforting because i think we were a country that needed everyone of us needed comforting it also stirred the mourners resolve as rice remember as we stood to sing the battle hymn of the republic she says you could feel the entire congregation and i could certainly feel myself stiffen the kind of spine and this deep sadness was being replaced by resolve we all felt that we still had mourning to do for our countrymen who had been lost but that we also had a new purpose in not just avenging what had happened to them but making certain that the world was eventually going to be safe from this kind of attack ever again next came a visit to ground zero the president was not prepared for what he encountered there you couldn t brief me you couldn t brief anybody on ground zero until you saw it mr bush says it was like it was ghostly like you re having a bad dream and you re walking through the dream the president found the scene very powerful particularly when the men and women at ground zero began to chant usa usa there was a lot of bloodlust the president recalls people were you know pointing their big old hands at me saying don t you ever forget this mr president don t let us down the scene was very powerful very powerful when mr bush tried to speak the crowd kept shouting we can t hear you the president responded i can hear you i can hear you the rest of the world hears you and the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon mr bush had been in new york just a few weeks before he d posed with the firemen who always stood by whenever the president s helicopter landed there now five of the men who stood with the president in the picture were dead lost at ground zero when the president arrived sept NUMBER manhattan was papered with the faces of the lost families unable to believe that so many had vanished in an instant held onto the hope that their loved ones were just missing it was a place where a child comforted a grieving mother at a meeting the public never saw the president spoke with several hundred of these families in a convention hall people said to me he ll come out don t worry mr president we ll see him soon i know my loved one he will he ll find a place to survive underneath the rubble and we ll get him out i on the other hand had been briefed about the realities and my job was to hug and cry but i remember the whole time thinking this is incredibly sad because the loved ones won t come out one little boy handed the president a picture of his father in his firefighter uniform and as he signed it mr bush remembers he told the boy your daddy won t believe that i was here so you show him that autograph it was an effort to provide a little hope the president recalls i still get emotional thinking about it because we re dealing with people who loved their dads or loved their mom or loved their wives who loved their husbands it was a tough time you know it was a tough time for all of us because we were a very emotional and i was emotional at times i felt i felt the same now as i did then which is sad and i still feel sad for those who grieve for their families but through my tears i see opportunity the president was supposed to be with the families for about NUMBER minutes he stayed for two and a half hours it was there he met arlene howard the body of her son george was among the first to be found at ground zero i called the police department howard remembers and they said he hadn t called in for roll call and to call back in an hour and i said no i don t need to call back if he hadn t called in i knew where he was george howard had rescued children trapped in an elevator back in NUMBER when the world trade center was bombed he had been off duty that day and he was off duty on sept NUMBER but couldn t stay away the police department gave his badge to his mother and she gave it to the president he the president he leaned over to talk to me howard recalls and he extends his sympathy to me and that s when i asked him i d like to present george s shield to him in honor of all the men and women who were killed over there by the end of that day mr bush flew to camp david visibly drained he was physically exhausted he was mentally exhausted he was emotionally exhausted he was spiritually exhausted recalls card the next day saturday sept NUMBER mr bush met members of his war cabinet at the presidential retreat for a last decisive meeting my message is for everybody who wears the uniform get ready the united states will do what it takes mr bush told them as powell remembers it he was encouraging us to think boldly he was listening to all ideas he was not constrained to any one idea he wanted to hear his advisors talk and argue and debate with each other president bush was pleased with the progress that had been made on the other hand he says i wanted to clarify plans and i went around the room and i asked everybody what they thought ought to happen when he left that meeting on saturday night he still had not told the cabinet what he was planning i wanted to just think it through mr bush remembers any time you commit troops to harm s way a president must make sure that he fully understands all the consequences and ramifications and i wanted to just spend some time on it alone and did what were his reservations mr bush says could we win i didn t want to be putting our troops in there unless i was certain we could win and i was certain we could win nine days after the attacks on america before a joint session of congress the president committed the nation to the war on terror each of us will remember what happened that day and to whom it happened mr bush told the congress and the nation we ll remember the moment the news came where we were and what we were doing some will remember an image of a fire or a story of rescue some will carry memories of a face and a voice gone forever and i will carry this it is the police shield of a man named george howard who died at the world trade center trying to save others it was given to me by his mom arlene as a proud memorial to her son it is my reminder of lives that ended and a task that does not end a year has passed since then but the president says his job is still to remind americans of what happened and of the war that is still being waged a war he reminds himself of every day in the oval office literally keeping score one terrorist at a time in his desk the president says i have a classified document that might have some pictures on there just to keep reminding me about who s out there where they might be and as the terrorists are captures or killed i might make a little check there yeah mr bush admits but there is no check by the name that must be on the top of that list osama bin laden cbs a lot has happened in the year since sept NUMBER one year ago the president was new on the job with little experience in foreign policy he had wanted to pull the military back from foreign entanglements now on his orders u s forces are engaged around the globe in a war he did not expect in a world completely changed in the oval office last week cbs news correspondent scott pelley asked the president about iraq about whether americans are safe at home and about osama bin laden scott pelley you must be frustrated maybe angry after a year we still don t have osama bin laden president bush how do you know that i don t know whether osama bin laden is dead or alive i don t know that he s not leading a lot of parades and he s not nearly the hero that a lot of people thought he was this is much bigger than one person anyway this is we re slowly but surely dismantling and disrupting the al qaeda network that that hates america and we will stay on task until we complete the task i always knew this was a different kind of war scott see in the old days you measure the size and the strength of the enemy by counting his tanks or his airplanes and his ships this is an international manhunt we re after these people one at the time they re killers period pelley but have you won the war before you find osama bin laden dead or alive mr bush if he were dead there s somebody else to replace him and we would find that person but slowly but surely we will dismantle the al qaeda network and those who sponsor them and those who harbor them and at the same time hopefully lay the seeds for the conditions necessary so that people don t feel like they ve got to conduct terror to achieve objectives pelley do you look back on the afghan campaign with any doubts certainly we ve overthrown the taliban government certainly al qaeda has been scattered but some of the taliban leaders appear to have gotten away and there have been many civilian casualties as well mr bush uh huh well you know i am sad that civilians lost their life but i understand war we did everything we can to everything we could to protect people when civilians did die it was because of a mistake certainly not because of intention we liberated a country for which i m extremely proud no i don t second guess things it s things never go perfect in a time of war pelley are you committed to ending the rule of saddam hussein mr bush i m committed to regime change pelley there are those who have been vocal in their advice against war in iraq some of our allies in the gulf war saudi arabia turkey for example even your father s former national security advisor mr scowcroft has written about it in the paper what is it in your estimation that they don t understand about the iraq question that you do appreciate mr bush the policy of the government is regime change scott hasn t changed i get all kinds of advice i m listening to the advice i appreciate the consultations and we ll consult with a lot of people but our policy hasn t changed pelley on air force one you described the terrorists as evil mr bush yeah pelley i don t think anyone would disagree with that but at the same time many in the arab world are angry at the united states for political reasons because of our policy in israel or our troops in the oil region of the middle east is there any change in foreign policy that you re considering that might reduce arab anger against the united states mr bush hmm well i m working for peace in the middle east i m the first president that ever went to the united nations and publicly declared the need to have a palestinian state living side by side with israel in peace i ve made it clear that in order for there to be peace the palestinians have gotta to get some leadership that renounces terror and believes in peaces and quits using the palestinian people as pawns i ve also made it clear to the other arab nations in the region that they ve got responsibilities if you want peace they gotta work toward it we re more than willing to work for it but they have to work for it as well but all this business isn t going to happen as long as a few are willing to blow up the hopes of many so we all gotta work to fight off terror pelley arafat has to go mr bush either he s he s been a complete failure as far as i am concerned utter disappointment pelley there has been some concern over the year about civil liberties mr bush yeah pelley in fact an appeals court recently was harsh about your administration s decision to close certain deportation hearings they said quote a government operating in secrecy stands in opposition to the constitution where do you draw the line sir mr bush i draw the line at the constitution we will protect america but we will do so on within the guidelines of the constitution confines of the constitution spirit of the constitution pelley is there anything that the justice department has brought to you as an idea that you ve thought no that s too far i don t wanna go mr bush nah not that that i remember and i am pleased with the justice department i think that attorney general s doing a fine job by the way and to the extent that our courts are willing to make sure that they review decisions we make i think that s fine i mean that s good it s healthy it s part of america pelley franklin roosevelt said that america should stand in defense of four freedoms freedom of speech freedom of religion freedom from want and freedom from fear do we have that today mr president freedom from fear mr bush i think more than we did in retrospect the fact that we are on alert the fact that we understand the new circumstances makes us more free from fear than on that fateful day of september the NUMBERth we ve got more work to do pelley and americans should not live their lives in fear mr bush i don t think so no i think americans oughta know their government s doing everything possible to help and obviously if we get information that relates directly a particular attack we ll deal with it and if we get noise that deals with a general attack we ll alert people there are a lot of good folks working hard to disrupt and deny and run down leads and the american people need to go about their lives it seems like they are

and no it wasnt me even though the spellingis oddly familar not that this is news to forks but URL randomising letters in the middle of words has little or no effect on the ability of skilled readers to understand the text this is easy to denmtrasote in a pubiltacion of new scnieitst you could ramdinose all the letetrs keipeng the first two and last two the same and reibadailty would hadrly be aftcfeed my ansaylis did not come to much beucase the thoery at the time was for shape and senqeuce retigcionon saberi s work sugsegts we may have some pofrweul palrlael prsooscers at work the resaon for this is suerly that idnetiyfing coentnt by paarllel prseocsing speeds up regnicoiton we only need the first and last two letetrs to spot chganes in meniang dave

dave long writes and no it wasnt me even though the spellingis oddly familar not that this is news to forks but URL randomising letters in the middle of words has little or no effect on the ability of skilled readers to understand the text this is easy to denmtrasote in a pubiltacion of new scnieitst you could ramdinose all the letetrs keipeng the first two and last two the same and reibadailty would hadrly be aftcfeed my ansaylis did not come to much beucase the thoery at the time was for shape and senqeuce retigcionon saberi s work sugsegts we may have some pofrweul palrlael prsooscers at work the resaon for this is suerly that idnetiyfing coentnt by paarllel prseocsing speeds up regnicoiton we only need the first and last two letetrs to spot chganes in meniang hmm there s probably a patentable input method for touch tone keypads in there somewhere gordon

on thu NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER at NUMBER NUMBER dave long wrote URL randomising letters in the middle of words has little or no effect on the ability of skilled readers to understand the text this is easy to denmtrasote in a pubiltacion of new scnieitst you could ramdinose all the letetrs keipeng the first two and last two the same and reibadailty would hadrly be aftcfeed my ansaylis did not come to much beucase the thoery at the time was for shape and senqeuce retigcionon saberi s work sugsegts we may have some pofrweul palrlael prsooscers at work the resaon for this is suerly that idnetiyfing coentnt by paarllel prseocsing speeds up regnicoiton we only need the first and last two letetrs to spot chganes in meniang i m working with an experimental text recognition processing engine that exhibits similar characteristics it can read right through misspellings like the above without any difficulty and as the author above suggested the pattern matching is inherently parallel internally if the text recognition algorithm architecture humans use is anything like the algorithm structure we ve been working with the reason the first letter and to a lesser extent the last letter is important is that without it the text pattern recognition problem is exponentially more difficult from a theoretical standpoint anyway and has to be resolved using deeper abstraction analysis the middle letters are far less important and computationally much easier to resolve correctly cheers james rogers jamesr URL

so much for carnivore gary lawrence murphy garym URL teledynamics communications blog URL biz URL computers are useless they can only give you answers picasso

on NUMBER sep NUMBER gary lawrence murphy wrote so much for carnivore yep that ws the plan all alng with my typos i am the only one to be consistently fighting the evls of da vore

on thu NUMBER sep NUMBER tom wrote yep that ws the plan all alng with my typos i am the only one to be consistently fighting the evls of da vore well yeah but there s an easier way URL there s still mitm but it requires a far higher capability and is easier to detect once you go beyond the scamed interaction of two parties since being manipulative in principle if you run your own mailserver or have a say in what your host does make him adopt starttls

if the text recognition algorithm architecture humans use is anything like the algorithm structure we ve been working with the reason the first letter and to a lesser extent the last letter is important is that without it the text pattern recognition problem is exponentially more difficult from a theoretical standpoint anyway and has to be resolved using deeper abstraction analysis the middle letters are far less important and computationally much easier to resolve correctly i think keeping the number of middle letters consistent with the correct spelling is important would be interesting to see if this same effect is applicable to written forms of other languages maybe even japanese romongi bill

i am delurking to comment on the salon article i just wanted to say that i am grateful they choose not to publish my forbidden thought i sent it in a couple of days before the NUMBER NUMBER commeration if i had just watched the sentimental network and cable shows on NUMBER NUMBER my cynical thoughts would have remain unchanged however i watch the frontline show faith and doubt at ground zero on pbs that show tackled head on with much more courage than i have seen elsewhere the larger questions about good and evil about art as an alternate religion karlheinz stockhausen NUMBER NUMBER was a great work of art and especially the question about how religion has a darker side which when carried to fanatic extremes tends to negate the humanity of the non believers i am not a religious person but i stunned at the scope of this program it talked about the lutheran minister who spoke at yankees stadium on a podium with other religious leaders present who was charged with heresy by his own church for promoting the idea that all religions are equal presumably the lutherans have the one true path thanks for listening i just felt like i needed to put the word out about this program my shallow comment on salon and others like it my boyfriend and i had sex while the towers collapsed gives me pause about how some of us tend to harden ourselves to the suffering of others mike chris haun wrote i though this was all rather interesting first bit of NUMBER NUMBER coverage that i ve liked URL chris do you yahoo yahoo news today s headlines

when we were discussing kuhn i wrote URL my understanding of the history of plate tectonics is that the magnetic reversal patterns encoded in seafloor basalts were crucial supporting data which suddenly became available only after navy declassification so the adoption curve may be skewed many of the essays in oreskes _plate tectonics_ seem to support this idea sandwell plate tectonics a martian view in this essay i ll describe a few of the important confirmations of plate tectonic theory provided by satellites and ships these tools were largely developed to support the cold war effort and many are labeled geodetic since they are used to make precise measurements of the size and shape of the earth and the spatial variations in the pull of gravity the tools of satellite geodesy are needed for all aspects of global warfare precise satellite tracking and gravity field development are needed for precision satellite surveillance as well as for targeting ballistic missiles the global positioning system is used in all aspects of modern warfare radar altimetery is used or aiming submarine launched ballistic missiles as well as for inertial navigation when submerged the global seismic networks were developed primarily to monitor underground nuclear tests marine magnetometers were developed primarily for detection of submarines multibeam sea floor mapping systems were developed primarily for surveying critical and operational areas of the northern oceans and the navy was in no hurry to declassify any of these data as any uneven coverage could have revealed the parts of the oceans they found most interesting dave what do our seismic networks say about the middle east i hazily recall a story about la reporters asking their local geophysicists about an early morning quake to be told that as far as could be figured the epicenter was at a negative depth travelling near mach speed and presumably headed towards edwards

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an old indian friend forwarded this to me a while ago URL slaughter in the name of god by salman rushdie friday march NUMBER NUMBER page aNUMBER washington post the defining image of the week for me is of a small child s burned and blackened arm its tiny fingers curled into a fist protruding from the remains of a human bonfire in ahmadabad gujarat in india the murder of children is something of an indian specialty the routine daily killings of unwanted girl babies the massacre of innocents in nellie assam in the NUMBERs when village turned against neighboring village the massacre of sikh children in delhi during the horrifying reprisal murders that followed indira gandhi s assassination they bear witness to our particular gift always most dazzlingly in evidence at times of religious unrest for dousing our children in kerosene and setting them alight or cutting their throats or smothering them or just clubbing them to death with a good strong length of wood i say our because i write as an indian man born and bred who loves india deeply and knows that what one of us does today any of us is potentially capable of doing tomorrow if i take pride in india s strengths then india s sins must be mine as well do i sound angry good ashamed and disgusted i certainly hope so because as india undergoes its worst bout of hindu muslim bloodletting in more than a decade many people have not been sounding anything like angry ashamed or disgusted enough police chiefs have been excusing their men s unwillingness to defend the citizens of india without regard to religion by saying that these men have feelings too and are subject to the same sentiments as the nation in general meanwhile india s political masters have been tut tutting and offering the usual soothing lies about the situation being brought under control it has escaped nobody s notice that the ruling party the bharatiya janata party bjp or indian people s party and the hindu extremists of the vishwa hindu parishad vhp or world hindu council are sister organizations and offshoots of the same parent body even some international commentators such as britain s independent newspaper urge us to beware excess pessimism the horrible truth about communal slaughter in india is that we re used to it it happens every so often then it dies down that s how life is folks most of the time india is the world s largest secular democracy and if once in a while it lets off a little crazy religious steam we mustn t let that distort the picture of course there are political explanations ever since december NUMBER when a vhp mob demolished a NUMBER year old muslim mosque in ayodhya which they claim was built on the sacred birthplace of the god ram hindu fanatics have been looking for this fight the pity of it is that some muslims were ready to give it to them their murderous attack on the train load of vhp activists at godhra with its awful atavistic echoes of the killings of hindus and muslims by the train load during the partition riots of NUMBER played right into the hindu extremists hands the vhp has evidently tired of what it sees as the equivocations and insufficient radicalism of india s bjp government prime minister atal bihari vajpayee is more moderate than his party he also heads a coalition government and has been obliged to abandon much of the bjp s more extreme hindu nationalist rhetoric to hold the coalition together but it isn t working anymore in state elections across the country the bjp is being trounced this may have been the last straw for the vhp firebrands why put up with the government s betrayal of their fascistic agenda when that betrayal doesn t even result in electoral success the electoral failure of the bjp is thus in all probability the spark that lit the fire the vhp is determined to build a hindu temple on the site of the demolished ayodhya mosque that s where the godhra dead were coming from and there are reprehensibly idiotically tragically muslims in india equally determined to resist them vajpayee has insisted that the slow indian courts must decide the rights and wrongs of the ayodhya issue the vhp is no longer prepared to wait the distinguished indian writer mahasveta devi in a letter to india s president k r narayanan blames the gujarat government led by a bjp hard liner as well as the central government for doing too little too late she pins the blame firmly on the motivated well planned out and provocative actions of the hindu nationalists but another writer the nobel laureate v s naipaul speaking in india just a week before the violence erupted denounced india s muslims en masse and praised the nationalist movement the murderers of godhra must indeed be denounced and mahasveta devi in her letter demands stern legal action against them but the vhp is determined to destroy that secular democracy in which india takes such public pride and which it does so little to protect and by supporting them naipaul makes himself a fellow traveler of fascism and disgraces the nobel award the political discourse matters and explains a good deal but there s something beneath it something we don t want to look in the face namely that in india as elsewhere in our darkening world religion is the poison in the blood where religion intervenes mere innocence is no excuse yet we go on skating around this issue speaking of religion in the fashionable language of respect what is there to respect in any of this or in any of the crimes now being committed almost daily around the world in religion s dreaded name how well with what fatal results religion erects totems and how willing we are to kill for them and when we ve done it often enough the deadening of affect that results makes it easier to do it again so india s problem turns out to be the world s problem what happened in india has happened in god s name the problem s name is god salman rushdie is a novelist and author of the forthcoming essay collection step across this line NUMBER the 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what i understood was that the activists on the train refused to pay for the food and other items they acquired from the muslim vendors then taunted them that may not be true but it would put things in a more interesting light taking food from a small vendor in india and not paying them is trying to starve them it sounded consistent with the ideas and purpose of the train full of activists i m rarely an apologist for muslims anywhere yet i find my sympathies with the muslims in this case even after they burned the train from fork admin URL mailto fork admin URL on behalf of stephen d williams the pity of it is that some muslims were ready to give it to them their murderous attack on the train load of vhp activists at godhra with its awful atavistic echoes of the killings of hindus and muslims by the train load during the partition riots of NUMBER played right into the hindu extremists hands

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first it was my understanding that they had the food before they refused to pay i often have the goods in my possession before i settle the paycheck second not being paid for a little food is an awfully big deal in india it isn t far from stealing the only food my children have so i ll have to watch them starve the margin of survival is very very thin so yes in my particular reality distortion field not paying for a little food in india is akin to a direct act of violence intended to cause suffering if not death on the victims family that such an act triggers a violent response is imho hardly surprising in other words as far as i could tell the people on the train fired the first shot with all of that said i still don t know if this happened or not nor do i know for sure that the margin of survival for those muslim vendors was that thin original message from stephen d williams mailto swilliams URL sent monday september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER am to johnhall URL cc fork spamassassin taint org lea URL subject re slaughter in the name of god wow it seems you are evaluating this with a large reality distortion field if the activists on the train refused to pay for food then the vendors shouldn t give it to them and the local police force should be arresting them etc you have to be operating from a particularly primitive point of view which obviously was in operation with the participants here to think that religious differences or not being paid for a little food or taunting was even a remote justification for burning a train full of people alive sdw john hall wrote what i understood was that the activists on the train refused to pay for the food and other items they acquired from the muslim vendors then taunted them that may not be true but it would put things in a more interesting light taking food from a small vendor in india and not paying them is trying to starve them it sounded consistent with the ideas and purpose of the train full of activists i m rarely an apologist for muslims anywhere yet i find my sympathies with the muslims in this case even after they burned the train from fork admin URL mailto fork admin URL on behalf of stephen d williams the pity of it is that some muslims were ready to give it to them their murderous attack on the train load of vhp activists at godhra with its awful atavistic echoes of the killings of hindus and muslims by the train load during the partition riots of NUMBER played right into the hindu extremists hands sdw swilliams URL URL stephen d williams senior technical director

on mon NUMBER sep NUMBER stephen d williams wrote it s efficient end not low end at NUMBERmillion hour mtbf NUMBERmb sec and pretty good buffering and speed the only thing going for scsi is NUMBER NUMBER rpm vs NUMBER and in a very small number of cases slightly better scatter gather actually i think there might be a NUMBER NUMBER rpm ide now it s not just krpm the desktop hds have a higher failure rate but i agree eide has high density and eide hardware raid can offer scsi a sound beating for reliability performance and storage density rack units for the money if designed for it and if people would actually start buying it the other issues are pretty much non issues using multiple drives and controller contention just use many ide channels with extra pci cards up to NUMBER in some systems and long cable runs just split there are not all that many hard drives inside an NUMBERu enclosure airflow blockage you have to fit in NUMBER NUMBERx the number of scsi disks with eide will soon be a thing of the past due to sata storage between nodes dual port scsi is also a non issue since it is very expensive doesn t work that well in practice because there are numerous secondary failure modes for shared disk systems and because you still end up with a single point of failure since rack space costs dominate and our systems need more or less decent i o we re going with NUMBERu dells with scsi the hard drive prices don t really make a visible difference given the cost of the iron and the rackspace month plus NUMBERu dells don t have any space left for lots of eide drives

the doctor wears many hats including but not limited to a rubber skullcap for playing water polo a beret for making sparkling wines and an oversized fedora to deflect his own cigar smoke which he regularly blows up my cough geege original message from fork admin URL mailto fork admin URL on behalf of jim whitehead sent monday september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm to fork subject re introductions aren t you dr gregory a bolcer dutch uncle of pNUMBERp i thought he was greg bolcer recovering xpilot doom junkie jim

from stephen d williams mailto swilliams hpti com just to further weaken the food transaction argument i ll note that in my neighborhood the local mcdonalds won t even hand you your drink in the drive through until you fork over the cash maybe you never bought a hot dog from a street vendor and why is it that the margin of survival is so thin could it be that all of these tribal rivalries are part of what s holding back wholesale movement to the modern first world patterns of constructive thinking well yes but it doesn t change the idea that the margin of survival probably is that thin in this region i m sure that both sides were ready to be the agressor i m not i m sure both sides were equally ready to be the aggressor provided they were in a predominant position of power bush s reluctance to blast blind obeyance of religion as taught by your local madrassa or kkk leader apparently because he is fully involved with the general effort to expand unfettered religiosity as the solution to the world s ills is disappointing he has spoke against madrassa but what i heard sounded lame and carefully crafted to shield religion in general from scrutiny NUMBER which religion and how it is currently being expressed matters NUMBER the us is trying to avoid making war on the muslim religion NUMBER us leadership remains reflexively multi cultural we all have disagreements but at some point it becomes a crime against humanity i didn t say burning the train was a good thing i said i understood it wasn t a spontaneous attack on people who had done no wrong

john hall wrote from stephen d williams mailto swilliams hpti com bush s reluctance to blast blind obeyance of religion as taught by your local madrassa or kkk leader apparently because he is fully involved with the general effort to expand unfettered religiosity as the solution to the world s ills is disappointing he has spoke against madrassa but what i heard sounded lame and carefully crafted to shield religion in general from scrutiny NUMBER which religion and how it is currently being expressed matters a which religion is it that can claim no foul actions in its past certainly not christianity islam etc b how it is currently being expressed amounts to a tacit acknowledgement that the sophistication of the society involved and people s self limiting reasonableness are important to avoid primitive expression this leads to the point that religion and less sophisticated societies are a dangerous mix it also tends to invoke the image of extremes that might occur without diligent maintenance of society c many splinter christianity religions have clean hands but they also aren t found in the wild by primitive expression i don t mean to slight any society but that there is some chronic evidence of irrational mob actions and uncivilized behavior killing infants women to break religious blue laws etc the us has only really been mostly free of primitive expression for NUMBER NUMBER years although large categories including serious religious conflict were settled quite a while ago d the northern ireland protestant vs catholic feud recently more or less concluded is not completely unlike this kind of friction generated by splitting society too much along religious lines one post article pointed out that the problem basically stemmed from the vertical integration of areas along religious lines all the way to schools government political party etc of course both cases have a heritage of british conquest but who doesn t i couldn t find the article i remember but here are a couple of others URL URL northern ireland is a british province of green valleys and cloud covered hills whose NUMBER NUMBER million people are politically and religiously divided about NUMBER percent of the population is protestant and most protestants are unionists who want the province to remain part of britain the roman catholic minority is predominantly republican or nationalist they want to merge with the republic of ireland to the south in NUMBER catholic leaders launched a civil rights drive modeled on the rev martin luther king jr s campaign in the american south but violence quickly broke out with ancient religious animosities fueling the political argument armed paramilitary groups sprung up on both sides police records and historians agree that the most lethal group by far was the ira fighting on the catholic side with a goal of a united ireland the provincial police force estimates that about NUMBER NUMBER people were killed during the NUMBER year conflict known with characteristic northern ireland understatement as the troubles NUMBER the us is trying to avoid making war on the muslim religion that s fine as it would be an inappropriate concentration it would be difficult to address the issues raised here in a clean way i d be happy with an acknowledgement that the connection is there NUMBER us leadership remains reflexively multi cultural this is ok to a point as long as it doesn t shy away from logical objective analysis of when a society could be seriously improved in certain ways we all have disagreements but at some point it becomes a crime against humanity i didn t say burning the train was a good thing i said i understood it wasn t a spontaneous attack on people who had done no wrong true although i don t think you were as clear originally sdw

from stephen d williams mailto sdw lig net sent monday september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm NUMBER which religion and how it is currently being expressed matters a which religion is it that can claim no foul actions in its past certainly not christianity islam etc hence the qualifier current b how it is currently being expressed amounts to a tacit acknowledgement that the sophistication of the society involved and people s self limiting reasonableness are important to avoid primitive expression this leads to the point that religion and less sophisticated societies are a dangerous mix it also tends to invoke the image of extremes that might occur without diligent maintenance of society the tacit acknowledgement and self limiting you speak of is not a given or a function of sophistication but is primarily a feature of current western civilization of course sophisticated and western civilization are essentially equivalent imho but it need not be so d the northern ireland protestant vs catholic feud recently more or less concluded is not completely unlike this kind of friction generated by splitting society too much along religious lines one post article pointed out that the problem basically stemmed from the vertical integration of areas along religious lines all the way to schools government political party etc of course both cases have a heritage of british conquest but who doesn t and sometimes the religious component is a façade for an equally dangerous ethnic affiliation hindu extremism isn t about the hindu religious theology as far as i can see it is a peg to hang an ethnic identity and identity politics on muslim extremism appears to have a far greater connection to theology northern ireland is a british province of green valleys and cloud covered hills whose NUMBER NUMBER million people are politically and religiously divided about NUMBER percent of the population is protestant and most protestants are unionists who want the province to remain part of britain the roman catholic minority is predominantly republican or nationalist they want to merge with the republic of ireland to the south yep all because the scots ate oats and starved their irish out long ago while the english preferred wheat and that doesn t grow so well in ireland that and the introduction of potatoes saved the irish as irish that s fine as it would be an inappropriate concentration it would be difficult to address the issues raised here in a clean way i d be happy with an acknowledgement that the connection is there oh i think we are in a war with wide aspects of the muslim religion i know it is there but it just might not be appropriate to admit it publicly NUMBER us leadership remains reflexively multi cultural this is ok to a point as long as it doesn t shy away from logical objective analysis of when a society could be seriously improved in certain ways i didn t say this was a good thing with the exception of ethnic restaurants i can generally be counted on to oppose anything labeled multi cultural i didn t say burning the train was a good thing i said i understood it wasn t a spontaneous attack on people who had done no wrong true although i don t think you were as clear originally i m sure i wasn t

begin forwarded text date mon NUMBER sep NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER to nettime l URL from phil duncan pduncan aggregatestudio com subject nettime the war prayer sender nettime l request URL reply to phil duncan pduncan aggregatestudio com the following prayer is from a story by mark twain and was quoted by lewis laphan in the october issue of harper s magazine it occurs at the very end of an excellent article which i recommend to you in the story an old man enters a church where the congregation has been listening to an heroic sermon about the glory to be won in battle by young patriots armed with the love of god he usurps the pulpit and prays the following o lord our god help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreads with our shells help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded writhing in pain help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief help us to turn them out roofless with their little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst sports of the sun flames in summer and the icy winds of winter broken in spirit worn with travail imploring thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it for our sakes who adore thee lord blast their hopes blight their lives protract their bitter pilgrimage make heavy their steps water their way with their tears stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet we ask it in the spirit of love of him who is the source of love and who is the ever faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek his aid with humble and contrite hearts amen twain wrote the story the war prayer in NUMBER during the american occupation of the philippines but the story wasn t printed until NUMBER thirteen years after his death because the editors thought it unsuitable for publication at the time it was written distributed via nettime no commercial use without permission nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets more info majordomo URL and info nettime l in the msg body archive URL contact nettime URL end forwarded text r a hettinga mailto rah ibuc com the internet bearer underwriting corporation URL NUMBER farquhar street boston ma NUMBER usa however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity predicting the end of the world has not been found agreeable to experience edward gibbon decline and fall of the roman empire

on mon NUMBER sep NUMBER stephen d williams wrote to make what work i already pointed out that a single drive is comparable between ide scsi alas that s wrong both the drives are faster NUMBER NUMBER krpm vs NUMBER krpm faster seek and the eide protocol is ridiculously dumb queing disconnect i think you re wrong with recent releases i ll check this week there s also jfs and xfs none of them are production quality right now only extNUMBER and extNUMBER qualify it will take a good while a year or two before we can trust anything else scsi has got advantages still particular if it comes to off shelf high density racks check out URL have you looked inside a dual cpu NUMBERu dell three drives are easy to get in anything else would require a redesign and would in nontrivial thermal engineering issues a number of vendors are putting the promise ide hardware on the motherboard all that remains is the proper drive socket i can t think of a single major vendor who sells NUMBERu systems with hardware eide raid additionally you can get hardware ide raid as a pair of drive bays or even an ide idexNUMBER controller that can be screwed into a NUMBERu chassis i believe you that stuff can be found if one is looking for it however i wouldn t put this into production unless i ve had that system hanging in the local rack under simulated load for a half a year

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s stephen d williams sdw lig net writes s a which religion is it that can claim no foul actions in its s past certainly not christianity islam etc rastafari that is if you concede that of the two founding branches only the one founded by the nyabingi were legit and the others were thinly veneered anti colonial hooligans there is also vietnamese buddhism unless you count setting fire to oneself as a foul action s c many splinter christianity religions have clean hands but s they also aren t found in the wild you d have to explain found in the wild for example i know of no violence perpetrated by the south pacific cargo cults outside of a pretty darn mean game of cricket s d the northern ireland protestant vs catholic feud recently s more or less concluded is not completely unlike this kind of s friction generated by splitting society too much along s religious lines one post article pointed out that the problem s basically stemmed from the vertical integration of areas along s religious lines all the way to schools government political s party etc of course both cases have a heritage of british s conquest but who doesn t when we launched the native net in NUMBER one of the first things we noticed on networking aboriginal groups around the world is that the british army with the us army as a proxy by extension were the common thread where neither was present physically or through influence there tended to be less violence the issue in ireland is complex but rest assured that religious aspects are only a co incidence of the invader colonials being predominantly members of the royal headed anglicans and the aboriginal population being predominantly members of the pope headed catholics the conflict itself has nothing to do with ideology or practice since the anglican church is a near identical clone of catholicism now i bet that s going to attract some healthy debate s most protestants are unionists who want the s province to remain part of britain mebst mebst it s the other way around most unionists are protestants it s their _unionism_ that is the source of the conflict not their sacriments s police records and historians agree that the most lethal s group by far was the ira fighting on the catholic side with a s goal of a united ireland and which side of the colonial fence do you suppose the police and historians sit if the russians had invaded the usa as feared in episodes such as the bay of pigs would the americans have organized to become a lethal force or would they have just said oh well there goes that democracy and settle in under communist rule just wondering NUMBER the us is trying to avoid making war on the muslim religion it is interesting to me that the canadian media is trying to paint chretien as some sort of buffoon for saying that NUMBERrd world poverty was a major contributor to NUMBER NUMBER if they d watch his now infamous interview they d see that it s still us against hooligans but his point is that the hooligans would not be able to find friendly states so easily if those states were not so bled dry by the west the same is true of street gangs when people are disenfranchised it s easier to offer them the triad as a new family you get cellphones cars a dry place to live triad biker gangs mafia the ira al queda we ve been fighting the war on terrorism for as long as there s been commerce so you d think we d realize that escalation of violence is not a solution gary lawrence murphy garym URL teledynamics communications blog URL biz URL computers are useless they can only give you answers picasso

gary lawrence murphy said s stephen d williams sdw lig net writes s a which religion is it that can claim no foul actions in its s past certainly not christianity islam etc rastafari that is if you concede that of the two founding branches only the one founded by the nyabingi were legit and the others were thinly veneered anti colonial hooligans there is also vietnamese buddhism unless you count setting fire to oneself as a foul action what about tibetan buddhism btw they seem like an awfully nice bunch of chaps and chapesses when we launched the native net in NUMBER one of the first things we noticed on networking aboriginal groups around the world is that the british army with the us army as a proxy by extension were the common thread where neither was present physically or through influence there tended to be less violence the issue in ireland is complex but rest assured that religious aspects are only a co incidence of the invader colonials being predominantly members of the royal headed anglicans and the aboriginal population being predominantly members of the pope headed catholics the conflict itself has nothing to do with ideology or practice since the anglican church is a near identical clone of catholicism now i bet that s going to attract some healthy debate man i m not going there again i ll agree though that the ideology or practices of the religions have very little to do with the conflict the same is true of street gangs when people are disenfranchised it s easier to offer them the triad as a new family you get cellphones cars a dry place to live triad biker gangs mafia the ira al queda we ve been fighting the war on terrorism for as long as there s been commerce so you d think we d realize that escalation of violence is not a solution well said j

chuck murcko wrote the usual crud why do morons ranting and beating their chests in the national review or similar rags merit forking probably because we have this pesky NUMBERst amendment thing here it must be so great in the us the rest of us live in caves and have no such thing as free speech btw i wasn t aware that the NUMBERst amendment mandated that crap must be forked you can just ignore it if you wish i will thanks but i must feel obligated to defend to the death your right to do so je d sapprouve ce que vous dites mais je d fendrai jusqu ma mort votre droit de le dire arouet le jeune dit voltaire NUMBER NUMBER r

on tue NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER at NUMBER NUMBER justin mason wrote what about tibetan buddhism btw they seem like an awfully nice bunch of chaps and chapesses they were the ruling class of a feudal farming society for quite some time i believe there were more than a few issues there certainly not everyone in tibet is as excited about the dalai lama as hollywood appears to be not that the chinese are much better rights wise but they ve actually built roads and such which led to the creation of merchant classes and the like that never existed under the tibetans luis