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Re: Apt 0.3 and 0.5
Once upon a time, Thomas wrote :
> Should I expect problems if my apt server is running RH 7.3/Apt 0.3 and
> some clients are coming on line and will be running RH 8.0/Apt 0.5? Do
> the two different version interoperate?
No problems whatsoever. Currently apt.freshrpms.net is running 7.3 with apt
0.3 and many 8.0 clients with 0.5 are using it.
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dvd::rip on Red Hat 8.0?
Hello,
Has anyone made a working source RPM for dvd::rip for Red Hat 8.0?
Matthias has a spec file on the site for 0.46, and there are a couple of
spec files lying around on the dvd::rip website, including one I patched
a while ago, but it appears that the Makefile automatically generated is
trying to install the Perl libraries into the system's, and also at the
moment dvd::rip needs to be called with PERLIO=stdio as it seems to not
work with PerlIO on RH8's Perl.
Not too sure what the cleanest way to fix this is - anyone working on
this?
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Re: dvd::rip on Red Hat 8.0?
Once upon a time, Mich�l wrote :
> Has anyone made a working source RPM for dvd::rip for Red Hat 8.0?
I don't think I've tried yet, but if I did, I probably moved on to another
package after having bumped into one of the problems you mention.
If anyone sends me a patch to my spec file and eventually needed patches
etc., I'd be more than glad to make a new build available.
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blogged item
BlogStart:
**Dublin**: something from the archives. Daev Walsh forwards an article from
The Irish Digest about ''Billy in the Bowl''. This story is also immortalised
in an old Dublin song, which in turn was mentioned in a Pogues track. Billy
was a legless beggar in the alleys of Stoneybatter and Grangegorman (where I
now live) during the 18th century, who discovered a new, but not entirely
legal, way to make money.
BlogEnd:
LinkText: Billy in the Bowl
From: daev <hellshaw@fringeware.com>
Subject: The Case of the Stoneybatter Strangler
A story of my new neighbourhood...
The Irish Digest July 1964
The Case of the Stoneybatter Strangler
The handsome, deformed Billy in the Bowl evolved a plan to rob his donors.
Then, one night, he made the biggest mistake of his life
DUBLIN in the eighteenth century was noted for two things - the
architectural beauty of its public buildings and the large number of
beggars who sought alms in its maze of streets and lanes. Many of these
beggars relied on visitors and the gentry for their coin, but there was one
who campaigned among the working class. This was "Billy In The Bowl"
The strange appellation was derived from the fact that Billy's sole means
of transport was a large bowl-shaped car with wheels. Seated in this "
bowl ", the beggar would propel himself along by pushing against the ground
with wooden plugs, one in each hand.
Billy's unusual means of conveyance was vitally necessary, as he had been
born without legs. Nature, however, had compensated for this by endowing
him with powerful arms and shoulders and, what was most important, an
unusually handsome face.
This was Billy's greatest asset in his daily routine of separating
sympathetic passers-by from their small change.
The cunning young beggar would wait at a convenient spot on one of the many
lonely roads or lanes which were a feature of eighteenth century
Grangegorman and Stoneybatter, until a servant girl or an old lady would
come along.
He would then put on is most attractive smile which, together with his
black curly hair, never failed to halt the females. The fact that such a
handsome young man was so terribly handicapped physically always evoked pity.
"Billy in the Bowl", however, wasn't satisfied with becoming the daily
owner of a generous number of small coins; what his greed demanded were
substantial sums of money. The more he managed to get the more he could
indulge in his pet vices - gambling and drinking.
As a result the beggar evolved a plan to rob unsuspecting sympathisers.
The first time lie put his plan into operation was on a cold March evening
as dusk, was falling. The victim was a middle aged woman who was passing
through Grangegorman Lane on her way to visit friends in Queen Street - on
Dublin's North Quays.
When Billy heard the woman's footsteps, he hid behind some bushes in a
ditch which skirted the lane. As his unsuspecting victim drew close, the
beggar moaned and shouted, and cried out for help.
Trembling with excitement, the woman dashed to the spot where Billy lay
concealed. She bent down to help the beggar out of the ditch, when two
powerful arms closed around her throat and pulled her into the bushes.
In a few minutes it was all over. The woman lay in a dead faint, and Billy
was travelling at a fast rate down the lane in his " bowl ", his victirn's
purse snug in his coat pocket. An hour after the robbery the woman was
found in a distracted condition, but failed to give a description of her
assailant. And, as "Billy in the Bowl" had figured, nobody would suspect a
deformed beggar.
Again and again the beggar carried out his robbery plan, always shifting
the place of attack to a different part of Grangegorman or Stoneybatter.
On one occasion " Billy in "the Bowl " tried his tactics on a sturdy
servant girl who put up such a vigorous resistance that he was forced to
strangle her. The incident became known as the 11 Grangegorman Lane Murder
and caused a great stir.
Hundred.s flocked to the scene of the crime and for a couple of months
"Billy in the Bowl" was forced to desert his usual haunts. Around this
period, Dublin's first-ever police force was been mobilised, and the first
case they were confronted with was the Grangegorman lane murder.
Months passed and "Billy in the Bowl" reverted once again to his old
pasttime. A number of young servant girls were lured into ditches and
robbed, and the police were inundated with so many complaints that a
nightly patrol was placed on the district. But the beggar still rolled
along in his "bowl" pitied and unsuspected. Then came the night that
finished Billy's career of crime.
Two stoudy built female cooks, trudging back to their places of employment
after a night out in the city, were surprised and not a little shocked to
hear shouts for help. Rushing over, they came upon a huddled figure in the
ditch.
Billy, thinking there was only one woman, grabbed one of the cooks and
tried to pull her into the ditch. She proved much too strong for him,
however) and while resisting tore 'at his face with her sharp finger-nails.
Meanwhile, her companion acted with speed and daring. Pulling out her
large hatpin she made .for the beggar, and plunged the pin into his right eye.
The screams and howls of the wounded beggar reverberated throughout the
district and brought people dashing to the scene. Among them was a member
of the nightly police patrol who promptly arrested the groaning Billy.
"Billy in the Bowl" was tried and sentenced for robbery with violence, but
they could never prove it was he who had strangled the servant girl. The
Grangegorman-Stoneybatter district became once again a quiet, attractive
Dublin suburb where old ladies strolled, and carefree servant girls laughed
and giggled as they wended their way home at night.
daev
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Re: results for giant mass-check (phew)
I never claimed it could learn *all* combinatorial
possibilities, but it certainly can learn some.
C
On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 07:21 PM, Scott A Crosby wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:20:05 -0700, Craig R.Hughes
> <craig@deersoft.com> writes:
>
>> It *can* learn combinatorial stuff in a more subtle way. Imagine
>
> No it can't..
>
> It can learn a few examples that happen to be linearily seperable,
> like those you gave. It cannot learn the example I gave below, which
> is not linearily seperable.
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[SAdev] Spam-Assassin nightly build 22-8-02
Hello all,
I get problems with the latest nightly build from Spamassassin with
VMailMgr + OMail-Admin.
It scans the mail and gives it an :
X-Spam-Status: No, hits=11.4 required=7.0
Can someone look at the code for it? Maybe because option -F is gone?
Greetings
Erik Rudolfs
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Re: [SAtalk] Highest-scoring false positive
"Craig R.Hughes" said:
> Are you filtering the nonspamtrap for spam when those
> newsletters sold your address to someone you didn't sign up
> with? You should probably manually verify that all the mail in
> the trap is in fact nonspam!
Yep. so far it's all opt-in stuff, no "affiliate deals" etc.
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Re: [SAtalk] Highest-scoring false positive
Like an alias for each list that points to the nonspamtrap address.
J
At 10:50 AM -0700 8/22/02, Craig R.Hughes wrote:
>Are you filtering the nonspamtrap for spam when those newsletters
>sold your address to someone you didn't sign up with? You should
>probably manually verify that all the mail in the trap is in fact
>nonspam!
>
>C
>
>On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 07:59 AM, Justin Mason wrote:
>
>>
>>Justin Shore said:
>>
>>>I just ran across a false positive that scored 8.6. The message was
>>>a solicited ad from Apple.com on educator deals. I can send a copy
>>>if anyone wants it.
>>
>>Yes, please do send it on, and I'll add it to the non-spam corpus.
>>
>>To date, the scores evolved by SpamAssassin are very biased towards
>>non-HTML, non-newsletter-ish mail. This release should be different, as
>>I've been spending the last month signing up a "nonspamtrap" to every
>>legit newsletter I can find ;)
>>
>>This should mean that tests which match common-enough newsletter practices
>>will no longer get such high scores once we re-run the GA.
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[SAtalk] Some Stupid Questions
As the subject line indicates, I'm sure these are stupid questions, but
I'm having trouble getting SA working like I understand it should work,
and have about given up on trying to figure it out myself.
If a user has a line like:
whitelist_from *@yahoogroups.com
in his .spamassassin/user_prefs file, does that line not, in effect,
tell the program to take no action at all against any mail coming in from
yahoogroups.com, or is there still checking being done against it? And if
the latter, what does he need to place in user_prefs to cause such mail
to be ignored? I'm testing SA here with a few users who happen to be on
yahoogroups lists, before deploying it system-wide, and although the above
line has been added to their user_prefs files, much of their list mail is
still going to the spam folder due to all the usual things you would
expect to trigger SA.
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Re: [SAtalk] Some Stupid Questions
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On Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 01:01:44PM -0500, Ken Scott wrote:
> whitelist_from *@yahoogroups.com
>=20
> in his .spamassassin/user_prefs file, does that line not, in effect,
> tell the program to take no action at all against any mail coming in from
> yahoogroups.com, or is there still checking being done against it? And if
It still gets checked, but a negative score is added in. And it doesn't
mean "coming in from" it means "From: address is @yahoogroups.com".
There's a Yahoo Groups compensation rule in 2.40 though. :)
> the latter, what does he need to place in user_prefs to cause such mail
> to be ignored? I'm testing SA here with a few users who happen to be on
ignored completely? you can't do that, put in a procmail rule.
> yahoogroups lists, before deploying it system-wide, and although the above
> line has been added to their user_prefs files, much of their list mail is
> still going to the spam folder due to all the usual things you would
> expect to trigger SA.
You'd want to either add your own compensation rule or up (negatively)
the whitelist score.
--=20
Randomly Generated Tagline:
There are perfectly good answers to those questions, but they'll have
to wait for another night.
=20
-- Homer Simpson
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[SACVS] CVS: spamassassin/masses mass-check,1.67,1.67.2.1
Update of /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/masses
In directory usw-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv440/masses
Modified Files:
Tag: b2_4_0
mass-check
Log Message:
Fixes, additions to mass-check
Index: mass-check
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/masses/mass-check,v
retrieving revision 1.67
retrieving revision 1.67.2.1
diff -b -w -u -d -r1.67 -r1.67.2.1
--- mass-check 20 Aug 2002 12:29:32 -0000 1.67
+++ mass-check 22 Aug 2002 18:13:30 -0000 1.67.2.1
@@ -96,6 +96,7 @@
print "# mass-check results from $who\@$where, on $when\n";
print "# M:SA version ".$spamtest->Version()."\n";
+print '# CVS tag: $Name$',"\n";
$iter->set_function (\&wanted);
$iter->run (@ARGV);
exit;
@@ -132,6 +133,8 @@
my $tests = $status->get_names_of_tests_hit();
$tests = join(',', sort(split(/,/, $tests)));
+
+ $id =~ s/\s/_/g;
printf "%s %2d %s %s\n",
($yorn ? 'Y' : '.'),
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[SAtalk] Re: [SAdev] 2.40 RELEASE PROCESS: mass-check status, folks?
I think with the confusion and all, we should give these folks
until the end of the day to get fixed logs uploaded :)
Justin, on a related note -- I didn't include the spamtrap stuff
from the corpus directory on your server in my logs, but that
should definitely be in there -- don't know if you'd included it
in yours or not. I think it's from Kelsey's mailtraps...
C
On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 09:49 AM, Justin Mason wrote:
> Files that are out of date (as far as I can tell -- they have no date
> comment), and will be ignored:
>
> nonspam-danielp.log
> nonspam-danielr.log
> nonspam-duncan.log
> nonspam-james.log
> nonspam-laager.log
> nonspam-messagelabs.log
> nonspam-msquadrat.log
> nonspam-olivier.log
> nonspam-oliviern.log
> nonspam-quinlan.log
> nonspam-rodbegbie.log
> nonspam-sean.log
> nonspam-theo.log
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Re: [SAtalk] German spam corpus / foreign language spam
On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 09:36 AM, Justin Mason wrote:
>
> "Craig R.Hughes" said:
>
>> I thought we'd sort of decided that after 2.40 we'd switch the
>> meaning of the "lang" prefix to actually mean "run these rules
>> if language matches", where "language" is what TextCat spits out
>> for a message, as opposed to using the locale which is how
>> things currently work.
>
> ah, right -- I'd forgotten that. :(
>
> doesn't help with the finding-broken-rules QA case though...
It does, if you have a corpus of german spam and nonspam to feed
it, and you're not in a de locale.
C
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Re: [SAtalk] Re: SA In The News
So do you know my public key? Does the guy who wants to buy
10,000 licenses of SpamAssassin Pro? Do I really want to lose
email from either of you?
C
On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 10:13 AM, Tony L. Svanstrom wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Aug 2002 the voices made Craig R.Hughes write:
>
>> Trouble is, you don't necessarily know ahead of time who's
>> wanting to send
>> you stuff. I don't have your PGP public key on my keychain.
>> You can do all
>> the signing you want, it's not going to help. However, if you
>> stick a Habeas
>> header in your mail, I can (hopefully) be reasonably sure that
>> you're not
>> trying to spam me. It is going to be all about enforcement
>> though; we'll
>> have to see how they do on enforcement.
>
> Signing messages to someone ('s public key) isn't impossible,
> using some
> creative scripting you could even do it with OpenPGP-compatible
> software...
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[SAtalk] help with postfix + spamassassin
Hi Folks,
I have just installed spamassassin 2.31 in my postfix MTA server.
At first, I would like to test it just in my email account before
applying it to the wole site.
I configured just as in the INSTALL file:
5. Create a .forward...
"|IFS=' ' && exec /usr/bin/procmail -f- || exit 75 #user"
6. create a .procmailrc
:0fw
| /usr/bin/spamassassin -c
/etc/mail/spamassassin/rules
But the spams get trought it untouched. When I run it by the hand:
cat sample-spam.txt | /usr/bin/spamassassin -c
/etc/mail/spamassassin/rules
it does tag it as spam and send me the email.
what should I look at?
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[SAtalk] Version 1.1.11 of the DCC (fwd)
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Vernon Schryver <vjs@calcite.rhyolite.com>
To: dcc@calcite.rhyolite.com
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:09:05 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: Version 1.1.11 of the DCC
ersion 1.1.11 of the DCC source is in
http://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/dcc/source/dccd.tar.Z and
http://www.dcc-servers.net/dcc/source/dccd.tar.Z
http://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/dcc/dcc-tree/CHANGES and
http://www.dcc-servers.net/dcc/dcc-tree/CHANGES start with
fix dccm bugs with handling a non-responsive server.
change misc/hackmc to modify sendmail.cf to reject unauthorized relay
attempts with a temporary failure when they are supposed to be sent
to the DCC but dccm is not running. This prevents leaking relay
relay spam. You must use the new hackmc script to install this
change in sendmail.cf.
remove "# whitelisted" from `cdcc stats` output to give more room
for totals.
prevent empty dccproc log files as noted by Krzysztof Snopek.
even fatal errors should cause dccproc to exit with 0 to avoid
rejecting mail, as noted by Krzysztof Snopek.
When server hostnames have common IP addresses, prefer the server
with the non-anonymous client-ID, noted by Krzysztof Snopek.
Vernon Schryver vjs@rhyolite.com
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Re: Whitelisting (Re: [SAtalk] SA In The News)
There is a whitelist RBL now! Ironport's Bonded Sender is
basically a whitelist RBL where you post a bond to get on the
list, and then lose the bond if you end up spamming from that IP
address (or something like that). http://www.bondedsender.org/
C
On Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 07:58 PM, Bart Schaefer wrote:
>> 4. DNSBL: Only certifies an ip address, not who is using it. As it is
>> currently used, DNSBL allows you to look up if some IP address
>> has been
>> blacklisted by someone. What I haven't seen is a service that
>> provides a
>> DNS based whitelist.
>
> There's a practical reason for that: Any DNS list (white or
> black) works
> only for a limited number of IPs; the set of unlisted IPs is
> much larger
> than the set in the DNS list. If you have to make a binary decision to
> accept or reject, you'll be wrong less often if you reject the
> blacklist
> and accept everything else, rather than accept the whitelist and reject
> everything else.
>
> A whitelist is only helpful when (a) you only want mail from a limited
> number of known sources, or (b) you can use a secondary system
> like SA to
> decide what to do with the vast unlisted masses. Most MTAs still make
> only the binary decision, because the secondary computation is
> expensive.
>
> With SA's cooperation, though, it might be worth a try. Even better if
> one could get commercial anti-spam outfits to agree to factor it in.
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Re: [SAdev] Re: several messages
Political news T R U T H O U T uses it too.
Justin Mason wrote:
>>>> 0.978 0.540 1.184 0.31 -1.00 FWD_MSG
>>>
>>>I'm a bit surprised that any spams hit this one. Did somebody forward a
>>>spam that then went into a corpus?
>>
>>My corpus is quite clean and I get spam hits.
>
>
> yes, it's being frequently forged already.
>
>
>>>> 1.582 2.226 1.279 0.64 0.39 GAPPY_TEXT
>>>
>>>Gappy text in a non-spam? It must be a H E A D L I N E or something.
>>>Maybe just remove space from the list of "gap" characters?
>>
>>For 2.50, we could try to figure out which nonspams are hitting and
>>improve the rule.
>
>
> BTW I subscribe to the Media Unspun newsletter, and it and a few others
> regularly use that H E A D L I N E thing.
>
> splitting it into 2, one that matches gappy text with punctuation chars,
> one that matches spaces between the chars, would probably help. if
> anyone's bothered, I'd suggest filing a bug.
>
> --j.
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Re: [SAtalk] help with postfix + spamassassin
Luiz Felipe Ceglia said:
> :0fw
> | /usr/bin/spamassassin -c
> /etc/mail/spamassassin/rules
are you using exactly that -- with the line break -- or is it like this:
:0fw
| /usr/bin/spamassassin -c /etc/mail/spamassassin/rules
all on one line? it should be the latter.
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Re: [SAtalk] Re: Other uses for SA?
Brian R. Melcer said:
>> I've got spamassassin installed and tested on MacOS X 10.1.5,
>> although there are issues with spamd still. So in addition to
>> looking for new and different uses for SA, I'd like to hear
>> from folks using it under MacOS X.
>
> I just recently converted our SA setup to use Amavisd into our Postfix
Amavisd or Amavisd-new? If the latter, you don't need spamd running, since
amavisd-new calls SA functions directly.
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Re: [SAtalk] 2.40 RELEASE: oops -- newer freqs.
Daniel Quinlan <quinlan@pathname.com> wrote:
> Exactly, except that I think you may be too optimistic
> about the reporting, the timeframe, and the accuracy.
That's another argument for a "HLL" (Habeas Licensee List) which would be less
inclusive than a test for the mark of for HIL, but more timely and accurate. When an
ip address is on the HLL it could get a huge negative score, bigger than the Habeas
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Re: [SAtalk] 2.40 RELEASE: oops -- newer freqs.
"Craig R.Hughes" said:
> The GA run on the current corpus is yielding an average (mean)
> score for false-positives of about 10 points, which is higher
> than before. There's some tweaking to be done yet (rule
> elimination and such), so that will likely fall, but -15 might
> not be enough of a correction in many situations. I will set
> the scores for the Habeas stuff and the Ironport stuff to be
> sensible given:
>
> a) estimated likeliness of compliance with Habeas/Bonded sender
> rules, and
> b) score correction level needed to achieve purposes of those projects.
Using the score-ranges stuff and my aggressive anti-FP evaluation code,
BTW, yielded an average FP of 5.7 points, with 0.67% FPs and 96.57%
overall accuracy -- but I notice you went back to the other method.
Just pointing this out ;)
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Re: [SAdev] [Bug 735] spamassassin -t lies
On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 the voices made bugzilla-daemon@hughes-family.org write:
> http://www.hughes-family.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=735
> ------- Additional Comments From br+spamassassin@panix.com 2002-08-26 09:33 -------
> Just because it's documented doesn't mean it's a good thing.
>
> I work for an ISP. We provide SpamAssassin to our customers. I got email
> today from a support tech saying that "spamassassin -t" reports that a
> message is probably spam even when it's not, and why is this, and can we
> change it? I thought about why it is, and the only answer I could come up
> with was, "it was easier for the programmer that way". That's an answer, I
> guess, but her point was that this is going to generate support calls, and
> support calls cost us time and money.
Why would a customer use `spamassassin -t` without understanding what it does?
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Re: [SAtalk] From: and To: are my address
On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 the voices made CertaintyTech write:
> Recently I have been receiving Spam where both the From: and To: address are
> set to my address therefore getting thru due to AWL. Any suggestions on
> this one? I could turn off AWL but it does have advantages. BTW, I use a
> site-wide AWL.
Use cron to remove your address from the AWL daily...?!
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[SAtalk] Test spam
Hi, does anyone have a collection of real-world-spam, that I could use to
test my setup?
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[SACVS] CVS: spamassassin/debian spamassassin.README.Debian,1.1,1.2
Update of /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/debian
In directory usw-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv23243/debian
Modified Files:
spamassassin.README.Debian
Log Message:
removed -P
Index: spamassassin.README.Debian
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/debian/spamassassin.README.Debian,v
retrieving revision 1.1
retrieving revision 1.2
diff -b -w -u -d -r1.1 -r1.2
--- spamassassin.README.Debian 21 Jun 2002 02:46:50 -0000 1.1
+++ spamassassin.README.Debian 27 Aug 2002 09:31:29 -0000 1.2
@@ -2,7 +2,7 @@
you wish to use spamd (the Daemon version of spamassassin), please edit
/etc/default/spamassassin.
-'spamc' is equivalent to 'spamassassin -P' and you should use it instead if
+'spamc' is equivalent to 'spamassassin' and you should use it instead if
(and only if) you enabled 'spamd' (and you've installed the spamc package)
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Re: [SAtalk] where can I find the Habeas patent (application)?
On Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 06:03 AM, Tony L. Svanstrom wrote:
> Where can I find it, I was searching online without any luck... =(
You can't, because there isn't one, yet. Habeas is using a
combination of copyright and trademark law to protect their
sender warranties. They hope to patent the system, but they
have not been ISSUED a patent.
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MacOS X (Re: [SAtalk] [OT] Habeas-talk (was: 2.40 RELEASE: oops
On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 the voices made Matt Sergeant write:
> I've got 6C115 (I think) the current developer release (though not the same
> as gold).
The only difference AFAIK is the path to a single helpfile, which we don't use
anyways, right? *G*
/Tony
PS I also have a problem with that stupid helpprogram crasching whenever I
search for "windows"; not sure if that's a feature or not. =)
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Re: patent on TMDA-like system
jm@jmason.org (Justin Mason) writes:
> Sounds a lot like TMDA to me. :( Filing date is July 26, 2001,
> granted May 16, 2002.
>
> TMDAers, have you seen this before?
No, but thanks for pointing it out.
> I'd presume TMDA is prior art, but still, it could be troublesome...
Yup. TMDA's core functionality was fully established before even the
filing date.
Anyone with experience in this area have a recommendation on whether
this should be pursued or not?
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Re: [SAdev] SpamAssassin POP3 proxy
jm@jmason.org (Justin Mason) writes:
> Actually, I want to avoid that -- I've already removed spamproxyd
> from the distro for 2.40. Here's why:
>
> When they're in the distro, *we* have to support them -- which is
> not necessarily a good thing when we didn't write them in the first
> place, or when the coder in question may not *want* us to maintain
> them. :(
I would be in favor of creating new SpamAssassin CVS modules and
Bugzilla categories for other clients (provided there is sufficient
interest and a maintainer).
Dan
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> I would be in favor of creating new SpamAssassin CVS modules and
> Bugzilla categories for other clients (provided there is sufficient
> interest and a maintainer).
yeah, I'd be with that -- as long as they have a maintainer ;)
however regarding CVS, I'd say many projects might find it easier
to just sign up as a new proj with sf.net -- it might save them having
to go through us (not sure, depends on what sf.net's procedures
are like).
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Re: FAQ: taint warnings from SA in /etc/procmailrc
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On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 12:14:24AM +0100, Justin Mason wrote:
> actually, I think procmail supports this directly. use DROPPRIVS=3Dyes
> at the top of the /etc/procmailrc.
Hey, look at that!
DROPPRIVS If set to `yes' procmail will drop all privileges
it might have had (suid or sgid). This is only
useful if you want to guarantee that the bottom half
of the /etc/procmailrc file is executed on behalf
of the recipient.
Of course, removing setuid/gid bits on programs that don't need it is
always a good idea. A general rule of system administration: don't give
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Re: patent on TMDA-like system
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On Tuesday 27 August 2002 07:45 am, Justin Mason wrote:
> Tony Svanstrom, on SpamAssassin-talk, noted this US patent:
>
> http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=/netah
>tml/PTO/search-adv.html&r=62&f=G&l=50&d=PG01&s1=spam&p=2&OS=haiku&RS=spam
>
> Method of anti-spam
>
> Abstract
>
> A method of anti-spam is to set an optional trustcode, or a trustlist, or
> at least a trustweb based on online mail delivery at a recipient's e-mail
> address. A mail sender is compelled at the first time to deliver a mail
> by way of: taking the way of "Visiting trustweb and sending online", or
> enclosing the recipient's trustcode in the mail and sending in another way
> other than the mentioned. After the sender's e-mail address has been stored
> automatically in the recipient's trustlist, the sender may send mails to
> the same recipient in whatever the ways feasible.
>
>
> Sounds a lot like TMDA to me. :( Filing date is July 26, 2001, granted
> May 16, 2002.
>
> TMDAers, have you seen this before? I'd presume TMDA is prior art, but
> still, it could be troublesome...
>
>
I took a bit of time to review what is on the above URL. If I were a news
editor, the headline would be:
"Inventor" from country that ignores patents and copyrights, seeks patent for
inventing the wheel!
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Re: [SAtalk] Re: patent on TMDA-like system
>>From tmda.net/history.html:
The first release of TMDA in April 2001 was essentially a rewrite of TMS in
Python, <snip>
April 2001 is earlier than July 26, 2001... prior art..
from http://tmda.net/releases/old/
Parent Directory 19-Aug-2002 16:14 -
README.MD5SUM 19-Aug-2002 16:14 4k
tmda-0.01.tgz 22-Apr-2001 15:59 11k
tmda-0.02.tgz 26-Apr-2001 12:06 12k
tmda-0.02.txt 26-Apr-2001 12:50 1k
tmda-0.10.tgz 27-Apr-2001 21:14 39k
tmda-0.10.txt 30-Apr-2001 11:36 3k
tmda-0.11.tgz 02-May-2001 17:17 38k
tmda-0.11.txt 02-May-2001 17:06 3k
tmda-0.12.tgz 10-May-2001 19:50 39k
tmda-0.12.txt 10-May-2001 19:48 1k
tmda-0.13.tgz 17-May-2001 15:53 39k
tmda-0.13.txt 17-May-2001 15:57 2k
tmda-0.14.tgz 24-May-2001 16:43 46k
tmda-0.14.txt 24-May-2001 16:40 4k
tmda-0.15.tgz 28-May-2001 15:20 47k
tmda-0.15.txt 28-May-2001 15:20 1k
tmda-0.20.tgz 06-Jun-2001 17:52 49k
tmda-0.20.txt 06-Jun-2001 18:46 6k
tmda-0.21.tgz 18-Jun-2001 18:32 51k
tmda-0.21.txt 18-Jun-2001 18:31 2k
TMDA was already at 0.21 8 days before filing for a patent..
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To: "Justin Mason" <yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org>
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Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:34 AM
Subject: [SAtalk] Re: patent on TMDA-like system
jm@jmason.org (Justin Mason) writes:
> Sounds a lot like TMDA to me. :( Filing date is July 26, 2001,
> granted May 16, 2002.
>
> TMDAers, have you seen this before?
No, but thanks for pointing it out.
> I'd presume TMDA is prior art, but still, it could be troublesome...
Yup. TMDA's core functionality was fully established before even the
filing date.
Anyone with experience in this area have a recommendation on whether
this should be pursued or not?
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Re: [SAtalk] Re: patent on TMDA-like system
On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 the voices made Jason R. Mastaler write:
> jm@jmason.org (Justin Mason) writes:
>
> > Sounds a lot like TMDA to me. :( Filing date is July 26, 2001,
> > granted May 16, 2002.
> >
> > TMDAers, have you seen this before?
>
> No, but thanks for pointing it out.
>
> > I'd presume TMDA is prior art, but still, it could be troublesome...
>
> Yup. TMDA's core functionality was fully established before even the
> filing date.
>
> Anyone with experience in this area have a recommendation on whether
> this should be pursued or not?
If you think you can survive it, please fight... When I found that patent I
found others that were just common sense, things that any geek could implement
with his script/shell-language of choice; and it's time for someone to get the
medias attention on what's going on.
Basically this is the new wave of "namenappers"; it used to be domainnames,
not it's all the basic general ideas they can think off/find on the web that
they're patenting.
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Re: [SAtalk] test
On Tuesday 27 August 2002 19:26 CET Leroy B. wrote:
> Ignore...
Can't.
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RE: [SAtalk] Too funny
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| 0 hits here. :(
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I also get a lot of them. I think they're using the domain registry
database to pull their victims' addresses.
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Re: [SAtalk] Too funny
On Wednesday 28 August 2002 16:33 CET Theo Van Dinter wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 04:20:52PM +0200, Malte S. Stretz wrote:
> > I get about 3 of these per week. A google for trafficmagnet convinces
> > me that they're worth their own rule...
>
> 0 hits here. :(
I recently cleaned my spam corpus from them but these are my current
results:
OVERALL SPAM NONSPAM NAME
13929 995 12934 (all messages)
13 13 0 T_TRAFFICMAGNET
I put it into cvs_rules_under_test, let's see what the 2.41 GA run thinks
about it :)
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[SAtalk] Re: Too funny
* Steve Thomas <sthomas@apexvoice.com> [2002-08-28T07:52-0700]:
> I also get a lot of them. I think they're using the domain registry
> database to pull their victims' addresses.
Along with the usual webmaster@* and probably a dash of web harvesting
on the side from the ones I have seen.
A recent conversation in two lines:
Me: Okay, trafficmagnet is being access mapped off now.
Junior admin [catching up on email after conference]: Thank God!
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Re: [SAtalk] Too funny
On Wednesday 28 August 2002 16:45 CET Steve Thomas wrote:
> | 0 hits here. :(
>
> I also get a lot of them. I think they're using the domain registry
> database to pull their victims' addresses.
They are crawling through the pages and send their "offers" to all addresses
they find. Theo won't every receive any offers as he doesn't publish his
address there ;-)
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[SAdev] [Bug 777] tests to find hand-written HTML
http://www.hughes-family.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=777
------- Additional Comments From daniel@roe.ch 2002-08-28 09:15 -------
3. usage of <p> just like <br> (ie. without </p>) which is obsolete
(not sure whether some mailers still produce such broken html)
4. tag argument values sometimes enclosed in "", sometimes not
5. colour args without # in front of hex rgb code
6. colour args with non-6-digit rgb code (typo)
7. onMouseOver et al in nonconsistent case throughout the document
Mind, those are just ideas. I'm pretty sure some or even most of them
are not working in practice, but they might be worth checking out.
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[SACVS] CVS: spamassassin/masses evolve.cxx,1.28,NONE
Update of /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/masses
In directory usw-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv6501/masses
Removed Files:
Tag: b2_4_0
evolve.cxx
Log Message:
removed old evolver
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[SACVS] CVS: spamassassin MANIFEST,1.100.2.11,1.100.2.12
Update of /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin
In directory usw-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv6501
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RCS file: /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/MANIFEST,v
retrieving revision 1.100.2.11
retrieving revision 1.100.2.12
diff -b -w -u -d -r1.100.2.11 -r1.100.2.12
--- MANIFEST 28 Aug 2002 13:50:15 -0000 1.100.2.11
+++ MANIFEST 28 Aug 2002 16:55:16 -0000 1.100.2.12
@@ -50,7 +50,6 @@
masses/CORPUS_POLICY
masses/CORPUS_SUBMIT
masses/craig-evolve.c
-masses/evolve.cxx
masses/freqdiff
masses/hit-frequencies
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Re: [SAtalk] Too funny
Well if you're talking about epiphany, which is in January, then yes it is
5 months.Some people do celebrate Christmas on january 6th, or even the 13th.
But I am certain that what you are thinking is the correct thought.
Please don't flame me. Just trying to be humerous =)
Matt Kettler said:
> On an unrelated, but similarly amusing note, a spam I received (and was
> tagged by SA) today began with:
>
>
> > I bet you haven't even realized that Christmas is just 5 months away,
> >
> did you?
>
>
> Strangely, no I wasn't aware that Christmas was 5 months away. Here in
> the US Christmas is a bit less than 4 months away. Where exactly is
> the "international month line" anyway? I've never seen the -74400
> timezone before, but I bet it qualifies as INVALID_DATE_TZ_ABSURD :)
>
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Re: [SAtalk] testing the install
Justin Mason wrote:
> Phil R Lawrence said:
>
>
>>>something to watch out for is to use "nomime" => 1 in the Mail::Audit
>>>ctor; the M:A folks changed the API there.
>>
>>What has MIME to do with it? I read in perldoc M:A that your suggestion
>>is less expensive, but how does that help S:A?
>
>
> M:A, for some reason, changes its base class depending on whether the
> incoming message is mime or not. Therefore the Mail::Internet methods
> suddenly become unavailable for MIME messages...
>
> (you do *not* want to know what I thought of that when I found it ;)
As a new user of SA, I guess I'm having trouble connecting the dots. If
I understand you: If I don't use the "nomime" => 1 option and I recieve
MIME mail, the Mail::Internet modules become unavailable.
Unavailable for which? MA? SA? What do these methods do? Does this
mean my incoming MIME mail won't be checked by SA unless I specify
"nomime" => 1?
Thanks,
Phil
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[SAdev] 2.40: ready for release?
OK guys -- I reckon it's now Good Enough, modulo some minor score
tweaking, or commenting of some more broken/high-FP-ing rules.
What do you all think? are we ready to go? anyone run into any trouble
with the new autoconf code, or found a bug from the merge of that spamc
BSMTP-support patch?
I expect there *will* be a 2.41 BTW.
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[SAtalk] Compile error under Digital Unix
Hi, I'm trying to build SA under Digital Unix 4.0f and am receiving a
compile error (and many warnings) for spamc. The "perl Makefile.PL"
does OK, but when I do the make, I get this:
cc -std -fprm d -ieee -D_INTRINSICS -I/usr/local/include -DLANGUAGE_C
-O4 spamd
/spamc.c -o spamd/spamc -L/usr/local/lib -lbind -ldbm -ldb -lm -liconv
-lutil
cc: Error: spamd/spamc.c, line 50: In this declaration, "in_addr_t" has
no linka
ge and has a prior declaration in this scope at line number 592 in file
/usr/inc
lude/sys/types.h. (nolinkage)
typedef unsigned long in_addr_t; /* base type for internet
address */
------------------------^
cc: Warning: spamd/spamc.c, line 169: In this statement, the referenced
type of
the pointer value "msg_buf" is "char", which is not compatible with
"unsigned ch
ar". (ptrmismatch)
if((bytes = full_read (in, msg_buf, max_size+1024, max_size+1024)) >
max_size)
-----------------------------^
cc: Warning: spamd/spamc.c, line 174: In this statement, the referenced
type of
the pointer value "header_buf" is "char", which is not compatible with
"const un
signed char". (ptrmismatch)
full_write (out,header_buf,bytes2);
--------------------^
cc: Warning: spamd/spamc.c, line 202: In this statement, the referenced
type of
the pointer value "header_buf" is "char", which is not compatible with
"const un
signed char". (ptrmismatch)
full_write (out,header_buf,bytes2);
--------------------^
cc: Warning: spamd/spamc.c, line 203: In this statement, the referenced
type of
the pointer value "msg_buf" is "char", which is not compatible with
"const unsig
ned char". (ptrmismatch)
full_write (out,msg_buf,bytes);
--------------------^
cc: Warning: spamd/spamc.c, line 306: In this statement, the referenced
type of
the pointer value "buf" is "char", which is not compatible with
"unsigned char".
(ptrmismatch)
if(full_read (in,buf,2,2) != 2 || !('\r' == buf[0] && '\n' ==
buf[1]))
---------------------------^
cc: Warning: spamd/spamc.c, line 321: In this statement, the referenced
type of
the pointer value "buf" is "char", which is not compatible with
"unsigned char".
(ptrmismatch)
while((bytes=full_read (in,buf,8192, 8192)) > 0)
-------------------------------^
cc: Warning: spamd/spamc.c, line 348: In this statement, the referenced
type of
the pointer value "out_buf" is "char", which is not compatible with
"const unsig
ned char". (ptrmismatch)
full_write (out, out_buf, out_index);
-----------------------^
cc: Warning: spamd/spamc.c, line 497: In this statement, the referenced
type of
the pointer value "msg_buf" is "char", which is not compatible with
"const unsig
ned char". (ptrmismatch)
full_write (STDOUT_FILENO,msg_buf,amount_read);
--------------------------------^
cc: Warning: spamd/spamc.c, line 512: In this statement, the referenced
type of
the pointer value "msg_buf" is "char", which is not compatible with
"const unsig
ned char". (ptrmismatch)
full_write(STDOUT_FILENO,msg_buf,amount_read);
-------------------------------^
*** Exit 1
Stop.
Can anyone suggest a way to get around this? TIA...
Jim McCullars
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[SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1
I may be dense, but why would anyone want to utilize Habeus? To me, it looks
like a potential backdoor to anyone's defenses against spam.
If I were a spammer, I'd simply set up a server, send out my spam with the
Habeus headers and continue till I was reasonably certain I'd been reported.
Then I'd simply reconfigure the server and reconnect to a different IP. As
long as no one can establish my connection to the web sites my spam is
directing people to, I'm home free.
Since I can set up spamassassin to I don't "lose" any email, what do I gain
by making it easier for spam to get through??
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Re: [SAdev] 2.40: ready for release? *NO*
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Justin Mason wrote:
> OK guys -- I reckon it's now Good Enough, modulo some minor score
> tweaking, or commenting of some more broken/high-FP-ing rules.
>
> What do you all think? are we ready to go? anyone run into any trouble
> with the new autoconf code, or found a bug from the merge of that spamc
> BSMTP-support patch?
I just checked out b2_4_0 from CVS and 'make test' fails horribly.
It seems to be looking in my site_perl SpamAssassin code, not the build
directory.
Example error:
Failed to run FROM_AND_TO_SAME_5 SpamAssassin test, skipping:
(Can't locate object method "check_for_from_to_same" via package
"Mail::SpamAssassin::PerMsgStatus" at
/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/PerMsgStatus.pm line
1701.
)
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[SAtalk] updating SA
To update spamassasin, all I need to do is install the new tar.gz
file as if it were a new installation? I don't need to stop incoming
mail or anything like that? Thanks, Mike
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Re: [SAtalk] custom score for a given domain?
> the number 1 ISP in France and the third ISP in
> Europe Wanadoo.fr is using non RFC2822 compliant
> mail servers:
Wanadoo.fr is notorious for being unresponsive to spam abuse
complaints. Some of the more militant admins have blocked them
completely.
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RE: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?
> I may be dense, but why would anyone want to utilize Habeus? To
> me, it looks like a potential backdoor to anyone's defenses against spam.
You're not dense. I'm going to zero the habeas scores on my copy of
SpamAssassin. I think they were added to SA quite prematurely. To me it's
simple:
1. People who send me legitimate email have absolutely no motivation to use
Habeas, at least until it gets lots more press, and even then only
bulk-mailing companies like Amazon or eBay are going to bother, and I
already whitelist them. Individuals won't bother.
2. Spammers have lots of motivation to forge the Habeas headers, and a good
percentage of them are completely out of the legal reach of Habeas.
I think it should be subjected to the same testing and scrutiny as any other
potential new rule. When I test against my corpus here's what I get:
OVERALL SPAM NONSPAM S/O SCORE NAME
13851 8919 4932 0.64 0.00 (all messages)
0 0 0 0.00 -1.00 HABEAS_SWE
The score of -1.0 is pretty harmless right now, but it still looks like a
useless rule so far.
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Re: [SAtalk] updating SA
On Wed, 2002-08-28 at 13:57, Michael Clark wrote:
> To update spamassasin, all I need to do is install the new tar.gz
> file as if it were a new installation? I don't need to stop incoming
> mail or anything like that? Thanks, Mike
If you are using spamd, you will have to stop/restart it.
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Re: [SAdev] 2.40: ready for release? *NO*
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> OK guys -- I reckon it's now Good Enough, modulo some minor score
> tweaking, or commenting of some more broken/high-FP-ing rules.
>=20
Some make test errors here, too:
Failed 6/20 test scripts, 70.00% okay. 17/182 subtests failed, 90.66% okay.
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Re: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?
On Wednesday, August 28, 2002, at 11:48 AM, Robin Lynn Frank wrote:
> If I were a spammer, I'd simply set up a server, send out my
> spam with the
> Habeus headers and continue till I was reasonably certain I'd
> been reported.
> Then I'd simply reconfigure the server and reconnect to a
> different IP. As
> long as no one can establish my connection to the web sites my spam is
> directing people to, I'm home free.
Uh... the reason is simple. Habeas runs something called the
"Habeas Infringers List", and if you use their trademark without
their permission, you'll end up on it. Then, when you send spam
with the misappropriated header, users of SA (2.40 supports
this) will tag your mail as spam, rather than let it through.
This may be done independantly of your IP address, so be
prepared to constantly change domain names, and move your
servers as fast as you send spam.
Also, that little haiku is a copyrighted work, so not only CAN
Habeas sue, they MUST sue to protect their copyright. And since
it's a trademark as well, that's a double-whammy. Habeas has
some pretty high-powered legal people, who will gladly go to
town on violators.
The whole point here is to give them the legal leverage they
need to put spammers out of business, and not only block mail
from them, but allow through the things that really AREN'T spam.
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Re: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?
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On Wednesday 28 August 2002 01:34 pm, Brian McNett wrote:
>
> Uh... the reason is simple. Habeas runs something called the
> "Habeas Infringers List", and if you use their trademark without
> their permission, you'll end up on it. Then, when you send spam
> with the misappropriated header, users of SA (2.40 supports
> this) will tag your mail as spam, rather than let it through.
> This may be done independantly of your IP address, so be
> prepared to constantly change domain names, and move your
> servers as fast as you send spam.
>
> Also, that little haiku is a copyrighted work, so not only CAN
> Habeas sue, they MUST sue to protect their copyright. And since
> it's a trademark as well, that's a double-whammy. Habeas has
> some pretty high-powered legal people, who will gladly go to
> town on violators.
>
> The whole point here is to give them the legal leverage they
> need to put spammers out of business, and not only block mail
> from them, but allow through the things that really AREN'T spam.
>
> --B
>
And if a spammer forges headers???
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Re: [SAdev] 2.40: ready for release?
Justin Mason wrote:
> What do you all think? are we ready to go? anyone run into any trouble
> with the new autoconf code, or found a bug from the merge of that spamc
I am now preparing a small patch to configure.in for NetBSD (possibly
also useful for Open- and FreeBSD, don't know). Should be ready and
tested in the next half hour.
If you think 2.40 is ready, I would suggest to wait just 24 hours more
for possible reports by b2_4_0 users. Not everyone can follow the
development during daytime (at work).
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[SAtalk] Tru64 compile of SA
I'm a new user (or about to be, hopefully) of SA but I've run into some
compilation errors that prevent me from installing. Rather than picking
through the code, I thought I'd avoid reinventing the wheel and ask here.
When I run the 'make', I get the following:
cc: Error: spamd/spamc.c, line 50: In this declaration, "in_addr_t" has no
linka
ge and has a prior declaration in this scope at line number 572 in file
/usr/inc
lude/sys/types.h. (nolinkage)
typedef unsigned long in_addr_t; /* base type for internet address
*/
------------------------^
cc: Warning: spamd/spamc.c, line 169: In this statement, the referenced
type of
the pointer value "msg_buf" is "char", which is not compatible with
"unsigned ch
ar". (ptrmismatch)
if((bytes = full_read (in, msg_buf, max_size+1024, max_size+1024)) >
max_size)
-----------------------------^
cc: Warning: spamd/spamc.c, line 174: In this statement, the referenced
type of
the pointer value "header_buf" is "char", which is not compatible with
"const un
signed char". (ptrmismatch)
full_write (out,header_buf,bytes2);
--------------------^
There are lots more where they came from. Any ideas what can be done?
Thanks in advance.
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[SACVS] CVS: spamassassin/masses parse-rules-for-masses,1.1.2.2,1.1.2.3
Update of /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/masses
In directory usw-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv24879
Modified Files:
Tag: b2_4_0
parse-rules-for-masses
Log Message:
fix for bug 784
Index: parse-rules-for-masses
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/masses/parse-rules-for-masses,v
retrieving revision 1.1.2.2
retrieving revision 1.1.2.3
diff -b -w -u -d -r1.1.2.2 -r1.1.2.3
--- parse-rules-for-masses 28 Aug 2002 13:49:51 -0000 1.1.2.2
+++ parse-rules-for-masses 28 Aug 2002 22:08:35 -0000 1.1.2.3
@@ -28,6 +28,7 @@
if (!defined $outputfile) {
$outputfile = "./tmp/rules.pl";
+ mkdir ("tmp", 0755);
}
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Re: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?
Robin Lynn Frank <rlfrank@paradigm-omega.com> writes:
> I may be dense, but why would anyone want to utilize Habeus? To me,
> it looks like a potential backdoor to anyone's defenses against spam.
>
> If I were a spammer, I'd simply set up a server, send out my spam with
> the Habeus headers and continue till I was reasonably certain I'd been
> reported. Then I'd simply reconfigure the server and reconnect to a
> different IP. As long as no one can establish my connection to the
> web sites my spam is directing people to, I'm home free.
Here is the bug I opened:
http://www.hughes-family.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=762
RBLs have the same problem, but there is no negative RBL header rule
with a -20 score that can be forged, so the problem is unique to Habeas.
> Since I can set up spamassassin to I don't "lose" any email, what do I
> gain by making it easier for spam to get through??
My primary issue is the magnitude of the negative score and that it was
not determined empirically. I am also concerned that it was added after
the rules freeze, that such a major change was not discussed in advance,
etc.
There's also no evidence that the rule will actually reduce FPs. People
who are smart enough to use the rule are probably capable of writing
email that doesn't look like spam (I'm not counting spam mailing lists
which you need to be exempted from spam filtering).
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Re: [SAtalk] custom score for a given domain?
> MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA (4.0 points)
> INVALID_MSGID (1.8 points)
> MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA_2 (1.6 points)
Here are the new scores in the 2.40 branch (they may change, but they
are better than before).
score INVALID_MSGID 1.226
score MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA 1.696
score MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA_2 0.532
Total of 3.5 which is better than 7.4, I suppose.
If they fixed their MSGID, it would help. I suppose we could allow
comments without hurting spam detection too much, but I'm reluctant
(it's pretty bizarre to put a comment after the Message-ID header).
Can you open a bugzilla ticket for this one?
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[SAtalk] Compile error under Digital Unix
Hi, I'm trying to build SA under Digital Unix 4.0f and am receiving a
compile error (and many warnings) for spamc. The "perl Makefile.PL"
does OK, but when I do the make, I get this:
cc -std -fprm d -ieee -D_INTRINSICS -I/usr/local/include -DLANGUAGE_C
-O4 spamd
/spamc.c -o spamd/spamc -L/usr/local/lib -lbind -ldbm -ldb -lm -liconv
-lutil
cc: Error: spamd/spamc.c, line 50: In this declaration, "in_addr_t" has
no linkage and has a prior declaration in this scope at line number 592 in file
/usr/include/sys/types.h. (nolinkage)
typedef unsigned long in_addr_t; /* base type for internet
address */
------------------------^
cc: Warning: spamd/spamc.c, line 169: In this statement, the referenced
type of
the pointer value "msg_buf" is "char", which is not compatible with
"unsigned char". (ptrmismatch)
if((bytes = full_read (in, msg_buf, max_size+1024, max_size+1024)) >
max_size)
-----------------------------^
cc: Warning: spamd/spamc.c, line 174: In this statement, the referenced
type of
the pointer value "header_buf" is "char", which is not compatible with
"const unsigned char". (ptrmismatch)
full_write (out,header_buf,bytes2);
--------------------^
cc: Warning: spamd/spamc.c, line 202: In this statement, the referenced
type of
the pointer value "header_buf" is "char", which is not compatible with
"const unsigned char". (ptrmismatch)
full_write (out,header_buf,bytes2);
--------------------^
cc: Warning: spamd/spamc.c, line 203: In this statement, the referenced
type of the pointer value "msg_buf" is "char", which is not compatible
with "const unsigned char". (ptrmismatch)
full_write (out,msg_buf,bytes);
--------------------^
cc: Warning: spamd/spamc.c, line 306: In this statement, the referenced
type of the pointer value "buf" is "char", which is not compatible with
"unsigned char".
(ptrmismatch)
if(full_read (in,buf,2,2) != 2 || !('\r' == buf[0] && '\n' ==
buf[1]))
---------------------------^
cc: Warning: spamd/spamc.c, line 321: In this statement, the referenced
type of
the pointer value "buf" is "char", which is not compatible with
"unsigned char".
(ptrmismatch)
while((bytes=full_read (in,buf,8192, 8192)) > 0)
-------------------------------^
cc: Warning: spamd/spamc.c, line 348: In this statement, the referenced
type of
the pointer value "out_buf" is "char", which is not compatible with
"const unsigned char". (ptrmismatch)
full_write (out, out_buf, out_index);
-----------------------^
cc: Warning: spamd/spamc.c, line 497: In this statement, the referenced
type of
the pointer value "msg_buf" is "char", which is not compatible with
"const unsigned char". (ptrmismatch)
full_write (STDOUT_FILENO,msg_buf,amount_read);
--------------------------------^
cc: Warning: spamd/spamc.c, line 512: In this statement, the referenced
type of
the pointer value "msg_buf" is "char", which is not compatible with
"const unsigned char". (ptrmismatch)
full_write(STDOUT_FILENO,msg_buf,amount_read);
-------------------------------^
*** Exit 1
Stop.
Can anyone suggest a way to get around this? TIA...
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[SAtalk] moving SPAM: results to bottom of message.
Is there a way to tell spamassassin to put the results at the bottom
of the message instead? If not, what is the easiest way to do this.
I found a report_header, but no equivalent report_bottom.
Thanks,
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[SACVS] CVS: spamassassin/t SATest.pm,1.15.4.1,1.15.4.2
Update of /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/t
In directory usw-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv3992/t
Modified Files:
Tag: b2_4_0
SATest.pm
Log Message:
ok, looks like SA can now be run even with another version installed in /usr, again
Index: SATest.pm
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/t/SATest.pm,v
retrieving revision 1.15.4.1
retrieving revision 1.15.4.2
diff -b -w -u -d -r1.15.4.1 -r1.15.4.2
--- SATest.pm 27 Aug 2002 21:44:14 -0000 1.15.4.1
+++ SATest.pm 28 Aug 2002 22:46:28 -0000 1.15.4.2
@@ -15,7 +15,7 @@
my $tname = shift;
$scr = $ENV{'SCRIPT'};
- $scr ||= "../spamassassin";
+ $scr ||= "perl -w ../spamassassin";
$spamd = $ENV{'SPAMD_SCRIPT'};
$spamd ||= "../spamd/spamd -x";
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Re: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?
On Wednesday 28 August 2002 01:50 pm, Robin Lynn Frank wrote:
> On Wednesday 28 August 2002 01:34 pm, Brian McNett wrote:
> > Also, that little haiku is a copyrighted work, so not only CAN
> > Habeas sue, they MUST sue to protect their copyright. And since
> > it's a trademark as well, that's a double-whammy. Habeas has
> > some pretty high-powered legal people, who will gladly go to
> > town on violators.
> > The whole point here is to give them the legal leverage they
> > need to put spammers out of business, and not only block mail
> > from them, but allow through the things that really AREN'T spam.
> And if a spammer forges headers???
There must be *some* way of tracking a spammer down, since they are planning
on making money from the spam. What a court would consider evidence of being
the spammer is another question.
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Re: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?
On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Matthew Cline wrote:
> There must be *some* way of tracking a spammer down, since they are
> planning on making money from the spam.
Many spammers make money not from response to the spam, but from selling
the service of spamming on behalf of someone else. You might track down
whoever paid for the mailing, but tracking down the actual sender might be
more difficult, and even if they manage to recover damages from the buyer
they haven't stopped the spammer, so the benefit is strictly to Habeas,
not to the recipients of the spam. That's the main problem I have with
the whole scenario: My pain, Habeas's gain, and those most likely to be
held liable are those least likely to be the really serious abusers.
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[SACVS] CVS: spamassassin configure,1.1.2.1,1.1.2.2
Update of /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin
In directory usw-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv15398
Modified Files:
Tag: b2_4_0
configure configure.in
Log Message:
NetBSD support patch from Klaus Heinz, bug 785
Index: configure
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/configure,v
retrieving revision 1.1.2.1
retrieving revision 1.1.2.2
diff -b -w -u -d -r1.1.2.1 -r1.1.2.2
--- configure 27 Aug 2002 23:07:13 -0000 1.1.2.1
+++ configure 28 Aug 2002 23:29:04 -0000 1.1.2.2
@@ -1273,18 +1273,22 @@
cat > conftest.$ac_ext <<EOF
#line 1275 "configure"
#include "confdefs.h"
+#include <sys/types.h>
#include <sys/socket.h>
+int main() {
+printf ("%d", SHUT_RD); return 0;
+; return 0; }
EOF
-if (eval "$ac_cpp conftest.$ac_ext") 2>&5 |
- egrep "SHUT_RD" >/dev/null 2>&1; then
+if { (eval echo configure:1283: \"$ac_compile\") 1>&5; (eval $ac_compile) 2>&5; }; then
rm -rf conftest*
shutrd=yes
else
+ echo "configure: failed program was:" >&5
+ cat conftest.$ac_ext >&5
rm -rf conftest*
shutrd=no
fi
-rm -f conftest*
-
+rm -f conftest*,
fi
@@ -1298,7 +1302,7 @@
echo $ac_n "checking for socket in -lsocket""... $ac_c" 1>&6
-echo "configure:1302: checking for socket in -lsocket" >&5
+echo "configure:1306: checking for socket in -lsocket" >&5
ac_lib_var=`echo socket'_'socket | sed 'y%./+-%__p_%'`
if eval "test \"`echo '$''{'ac_cv_lib_$ac_lib_var'+set}'`\" = set"; then
echo $ac_n "(cached) $ac_c" 1>&6
@@ -1306,7 +1310,7 @@
ac_save_LIBS="$LIBS"
LIBS="-lsocket $LIBS"
cat > conftest.$ac_ext <<EOF
-#line 1310 "configure"
+#line 1314 "configure"
#include "confdefs.h"
/* Override any gcc2 internal prototype to avoid an error. */
/* We use char because int might match the return type of a gcc2
@@ -1317,7 +1321,7 @@
socket()
; return 0; }
EOF
-if { (eval echo configure:1321: \"$ac_link\") 1>&5; (eval $ac_link) 2>&5; } && test -s conftest${ac_exeext}; then
+if { (eval echo configure:1325: \"$ac_link\") 1>&5; (eval $ac_link) 2>&5; } && test -s conftest${ac_exeext}; then
rm -rf conftest*
eval "ac_cv_lib_$ac_lib_var=yes"
else
@@ -1345,7 +1349,7 @@
fi
echo $ac_n "checking for connect in -linet""... $ac_c" 1>&6
-echo "configure:1349: checking for connect in -linet" >&5
+echo "configure:1353: checking for connect in -linet" >&5
ac_lib_var=`echo inet'_'connect | sed 'y%./+-%__p_%'`
if eval "test \"`echo '$''{'ac_cv_lib_$ac_lib_var'+set}'`\" = set"; then
echo $ac_n "(cached) $ac_c" 1>&6
@@ -1353,7 +1357,7 @@
ac_save_LIBS="$LIBS"
LIBS="-linet $LIBS"
cat > conftest.$ac_ext <<EOF
-#line 1357 "configure"
+#line 1361 "configure"
#include "confdefs.h"
/* Override any gcc2 internal prototype to avoid an error. */
/* We use char because int might match the return type of a gcc2
@@ -1364,7 +1368,7 @@
connect()
; return 0; }
EOF
-if { (eval echo configure:1368: \"$ac_link\") 1>&5; (eval $ac_link) 2>&5; } && test -s conftest${ac_exeext}; then
+if { (eval echo configure:1372: \"$ac_link\") 1>&5; (eval $ac_link) 2>&5; } && test -s conftest${ac_exeext}; then
rm -rf conftest*
eval "ac_cv_lib_$ac_lib_var=yes"
else
@@ -1392,7 +1396,7 @@
fi
echo $ac_n "checking for t_accept in -lnsl""... $ac_c" 1>&6
-echo "configure:1396: checking for t_accept in -lnsl" >&5
+echo "configure:1400: checking for t_accept in -lnsl" >&5
ac_lib_var=`echo nsl'_'t_accept | sed 'y%./+-%__p_%'`
if eval "test \"`echo '$''{'ac_cv_lib_$ac_lib_var'+set}'`\" = set"; then
echo $ac_n "(cached) $ac_c" 1>&6
@@ -1400,7 +1404,7 @@
ac_save_LIBS="$LIBS"
LIBS="-lnsl $LIBS"
cat > conftest.$ac_ext <<EOF
-#line 1404 "configure"
+#line 1408 "configure"
#include "confdefs.h"
/* Override any gcc2 internal prototype to avoid an error. */
/* We use char because int might match the return type of a gcc2
@@ -1411,7 +1415,7 @@
t_accept()
; return 0; }
EOF
-if { (eval echo configure:1415: \"$ac_link\") 1>&5; (eval $ac_link) 2>&5; } && test -s conftest${ac_exeext}; then
+if { (eval echo configure:1419: \"$ac_link\") 1>&5; (eval $ac_link) 2>&5; } && test -s conftest${ac_exeext}; then
rm -rf conftest*
eval "ac_cv_lib_$ac_lib_var=yes"
else
@@ -1439,7 +1443,7 @@
fi
echo $ac_n "checking for dlopen in -ldl""... $ac_c" 1>&6
-echo "configure:1443: checking for dlopen in -ldl" >&5
+echo "configure:1447: checking for dlopen in -ldl" >&5
ac_lib_var=`echo dl'_'dlopen | sed 'y%./+-%__p_%'`
if eval "test \"`echo '$''{'ac_cv_lib_$ac_lib_var'+set}'`\" = set"; then
echo $ac_n "(cached) $ac_c" 1>&6
@@ -1447,7 +1451,7 @@
ac_save_LIBS="$LIBS"
LIBS="-ldl $LIBS"
cat > conftest.$ac_ext <<EOF
-#line 1451 "configure"
+#line 1455 "configure"
#include "confdefs.h"
/* Override any gcc2 internal prototype to avoid an error. */
/* We use char because int might match the return type of a gcc2
@@ -1458,7 +1462,7 @@
dlopen()
; return 0; }
EOF
-if { (eval echo configure:1462: \"$ac_link\") 1>&5; (eval $ac_link) 2>&5; } && test -s conftest${ac_exeext}; then
+if { (eval echo configure:1466: \"$ac_link\") 1>&5; (eval $ac_link) 2>&5; } && test -s conftest${ac_exeext}; then
rm -rf conftest*
eval "ac_cv_lib_$ac_lib_var=yes"
else
@@ -1489,12 +1493,12 @@
for ac_func in socket strdup strtod strtol snprintf shutdown
do
echo $ac_n "checking for $ac_func""... $ac_c" 1>&6
-echo "configure:1493: checking for $ac_func" >&5
+echo "configure:1497: checking for $ac_func" >&5
if eval "test \"`echo '$''{'ac_cv_func_$ac_func'+set}'`\" = set"; then
echo $ac_n "(cached) $ac_c" 1>&6
else
cat > conftest.$ac_ext <<EOF
-#line 1498 "configure"
+#line 1502 "configure"
#include "confdefs.h"
/* System header to define __stub macros and hopefully few prototypes,
which can conflict with char $ac_func(); below. */
@@ -1517,7 +1521,7 @@
; return 0; }
EOF
-if { (eval echo configure:1521: \"$ac_link\") 1>&5; (eval $ac_link) 2>&5; } && test -s conftest${ac_exeext}; then
+if { (eval echo configure:1525: \"$ac_link\") 1>&5; (eval $ac_link) 2>&5; } && test -s conftest${ac_exeext}; then
rm -rf conftest*
eval "ac_cv_func_$ac_func=yes"
else
@@ -1544,20 +1548,20 @@
echo $ac_n "checking for h_errno""... $ac_c" 1>&6
-echo "configure:1548: checking for h_errno" >&5
+echo "configure:1552: checking for h_errno" >&5
if eval "test \"`echo '$''{'herrno'+set}'`\" = set"; then
echo $ac_n "(cached) $ac_c" 1>&6
else
cat > conftest.$ac_ext <<EOF
-#line 1554 "configure"
+#line 1558 "configure"
#include "confdefs.h"
#include <netdb.h>
int main() {
printf ("%d", h_errno); return 0;
; return 0; }
EOF
-if { (eval echo configure:1561: \"$ac_compile\") 1>&5; (eval $ac_compile) 2>&5; }; then
+if { (eval echo configure:1565: \"$ac_compile\") 1>&5; (eval $ac_compile) 2>&5; }; then
rm -rf conftest*
herrno=yes
else
@@ -1580,20 +1584,20 @@
echo $ac_n "checking for optarg""... $ac_c" 1>&6
-echo "configure:1584: checking for optarg" >&5
+echo "configure:1588: checking for optarg" >&5
if eval "test \"`echo '$''{'haveoptarg'+set}'`\" = set"; then
echo $ac_n "(cached) $ac_c" 1>&6
else
cat > conftest.$ac_ext <<EOF
-#line 1590 "configure"
+#line 1594 "configure"
#include "confdefs.h"
#include <getopt.h>
int main() {
if (optarg == (char *) 0L) { return 0; } return 1;
; return 0; }
EOF
-if { (eval echo configure:1597: \"$ac_compile\") 1>&5; (eval $ac_compile) 2>&5; }; then
+if { (eval echo configure:1601: \"$ac_compile\") 1>&5; (eval $ac_compile) 2>&5; }; then
rm -rf conftest*
haveoptarg=yes
else
@@ -1616,20 +1620,21 @@
echo $ac_n "checking for in_addr_t""... $ac_c" 1>&6
-echo "configure:1620: checking for in_addr_t" >&5
+echo "configure:1624: checking for in_addr_t" >&5
if eval "test \"`echo '$''{'inaddrt'+set}'`\" = set"; then
echo $ac_n "(cached) $ac_c" 1>&6
else
cat > conftest.$ac_ext <<EOF
-#line 1626 "configure"
+#line 1630 "configure"
#include "confdefs.h"
+#include <sys/types.h>
#include <netinet/in.h>
int main() {
in_addr_t foo; return 0;
; return 0; }
EOF
-if { (eval echo configure:1633: \"$ac_compile\") 1>&5; (eval $ac_compile) 2>&5; }; then
+if { (eval echo configure:1638: \"$ac_compile\") 1>&5; (eval $ac_compile) 2>&5; }; then
rm -rf conftest*
inaddrt=yes
else
@@ -1645,12 +1650,12 @@
echo "$ac_t""$inaddrt" 1>&6
if test $inaddrt = no ; then
echo $ac_n "checking for in_addr_t""... $ac_c" 1>&6
-echo "configure:1649: checking for in_addr_t" >&5
+echo "configure:1654: checking for in_addr_t" >&5
if eval "test \"`echo '$''{'ac_cv_type_in_addr_t'+set}'`\" = set"; then
echo $ac_n "(cached) $ac_c" 1>&6
else
cat > conftest.$ac_ext <<EOF
-#line 1654 "configure"
+#line 1659 "configure"
#include "confdefs.h"
#include <sys/types.h>
#if STDC_HEADERS
@@ -1681,20 +1686,21 @@
echo $ac_n "checking for INADDR_NONE""... $ac_c" 1>&6
-echo "configure:1685: checking for INADDR_NONE" >&5
+echo "configure:1690: checking for INADDR_NONE" >&5
if eval "test \"`echo '$''{'haveinaddrnone'+set}'`\" = set"; then
echo $ac_n "(cached) $ac_c" 1>&6
else
cat > conftest.$ac_ext <<EOF
-#line 1691 "configure"
+#line 1696 "configure"
#include "confdefs.h"
+#include <sys/types.h>
#include <netinet/in.h>
int main() {
in_addr_t foo = INADDR_NONE; return 0;
; return 0; }
EOF
-if { (eval echo configure:1698: \"$ac_compile\") 1>&5; (eval $ac_compile) 2>&5; }; then
+if { (eval echo configure:1704: \"$ac_compile\") 1>&5; (eval $ac_compile) 2>&5; }; then
rm -rf conftest*
haveinaddrnone=yes
else
@@ -1717,20 +1723,23 @@
echo $ac_n "checking for EX__MAX""... $ac_c" 1>&6
-echo "configure:1721: checking for EX__MAX" >&5
+echo "configure:1727: checking for EX__MAX" >&5
if eval "test \"`echo '$''{'haveexmax'+set}'`\" = set"; then
echo $ac_n "(cached) $ac_c" 1>&6
else
cat > conftest.$ac_ext <<EOF
-#line 1727 "configure"
+#line 1733 "configure"
#include "confdefs.h"
+#ifdef HAVE_SYSEXITS_H
+#include <sysexits.h>
+#endif
#include <errno.h>
int main() {
int foo = EX__MAX; return 0;
; return 0; }
EOF
-if { (eval echo configure:1734: \"$ac_compile\") 1>&5; (eval $ac_compile) 2>&5; }; then
+if { (eval echo configure:1743: \"$ac_compile\") 1>&5; (eval $ac_compile) 2>&5; }; then
rm -rf conftest*
haveexmax=yes
else
Index: configure.in
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/configure.in,v
retrieving revision 1.1.2.1
retrieving revision 1.1.2.2
diff -b -w -u -d -r1.1.2.1 -r1.1.2.2
--- configure.in 27 Aug 2002 23:07:13 -0000 1.1.2.1
+++ configure.in 28 Aug 2002 23:29:04 -0000 1.1.2.2
@@ -26,9 +26,11 @@
AC_CACHE_CHECK([for SHUT_RD],
shutrd, [
- AC_EGREP_HEADER(SHUT_RD, sys/socket.h,
+ AC_TRY_COMPILE([#include <sys/types.h>
+#include <sys/socket.h>],
+ [printf ("%d", SHUT_RD); return 0;],
[shutrd=yes],
- [shutrd=no])
+ [shutrd=no]),
])
if test $shutrd = yes ; then
AC_DEFINE(HAVE_SHUT_RD)
@@ -73,7 +75,8 @@
AC_CACHE_CHECK([for in_addr_t],
inaddrt, [
- AC_TRY_COMPILE([#include <netinet/in.h>],
+ AC_TRY_COMPILE([#include <sys/types.h>
+#include <netinet/in.h>],
[in_addr_t foo; return 0;],
[inaddrt=yes],
[inaddrt=no]),
@@ -86,7 +89,8 @@
AC_CACHE_CHECK([for INADDR_NONE],
haveinaddrnone, [
- AC_TRY_COMPILE([#include <netinet/in.h>],
+ AC_TRY_COMPILE([#include <sys/types.h>
+#include <netinet/in.h>],
[in_addr_t foo = INADDR_NONE; return 0;],
[haveinaddrnone=yes],
[haveinaddrnone=no]),
@@ -99,7 +103,10 @@
AC_CACHE_CHECK([for EX__MAX],
haveexmax, [
- AC_TRY_COMPILE([#include <errno.h>],
+ AC_TRY_COMPILE([#ifdef HAVE_SYSEXITS_H
+#include <sysexits.h>
+#endif
+#include <errno.h>],
[int foo = EX__MAX; return 0;],
[haveexmax=yes],
[haveexmax=no]),
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Re: [SAdev] 2.40: ready for release?
> t/db_based_whitelist.Use of bare << to mean <<"" is deprecated at
> ../lib/Mail/SpamAssassin/HTML.pm line 1. Use of bare << to mean <<"" is
> deprecated at ../lib/Mail/SpamAssassin/HTML.pm line 6. Unquoted string
hmm, could you check your installation? those chars aren't in my
version at all.
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Re: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?
Matthew Cline <matt@nightrealms.com> writes:
> There must be *some* way of tracking a spammer down, since they are
> planning on making money from the spam. What a court would consider
> evidence of being the spammer is another question.
Haha!!!
Just a few notes:
- It will be difficult to find, prosecute, and win money from someone
in various non-friendly countries where spam originates (China is a
good example) even if they do officially "respect" copyright law.
- Law suits take time. Between now and conclusion of the first court
case, we could have years of spam in our mail boxes!
- Contact information can change: phone numbers, PO boxes, stolen
cell phones, temporary email addresses, etc.
- Spammers do not always remember to include contact information! I
don't understand it either, but nobody said they were bright. Also,
some spam is non-commercial or sent by a third-party (for example,
"pump and dump" stock scams), so contact information is not strictly
required for the spammer to get their way.
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Re: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?
On Wednesday, August 28, 2002, at 01:50 PM, Robin Lynn Frank wrote:
> And if a spammer forges headers???
Header forgeries are trivially easy to detect. The main way that
spammers hide their originating IPs is not by forging headers,
but by sending through open proxy servers. It used to be that
spammers used open relay mailserver, but these often betray the
originating IP, and the proliferation of open relay blocklists,
and the introduction of port 25 blocking on the part of many
ISPs make open relays unattractive to spammers.
One would think, that the combination of a forged Habeas-SWE,
and mail sent through an anonymizing open proxy would be a
fairly good indication of spam. Tracking a spammer to his
meatspace location is not as difficult as you might think, once
you have legal recourse to subpoena records.
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Re: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?
On Wednesday, August 28, 2002, at 04:38 PM, Daniel Quinlan wrote:
> Just a few notes:
>
> - It will be difficult to find, prosecute, and win money from someone
> in various non-friendly countries where spam originates (China is a
> good example) even if they do officially "respect" copyright law.
A lot of spam which *appears* to originate from China, and even
a lot which advertises websites hosted there, is sent by, and is
done for the benefit of, companies based in the US. The spam
often appears to originate there because it's coming from open
http, or squid proxy servers. It's hosted there because these
spammers are now persona-non-grata on all US ISPs. One hardly
needs to involve the Chinese government in a case where a US
citizen is violating US law.
> - Law suits take time. Between now and conclusion of the first court
> case, we could have years of spam in our mail boxes!
The first court cases were actually concluded years ago. These
include many legal precedents which are used to protect the
rights of ISPs to block mail, and to terminate service to
spammers.
> - Contact information can change: phone numbers, PO boxes, stolen
> cell phones, temporary email addresses, etc.
Surprising then, how much information you can find on the
current whereabouts of long-time spammers like Alan Ralksy of
Detroit, Michigan. Ralsky is a guy who even gives interviews to
the news media. If you can connect a specific corpus of spam to
him, his street address is well known. Ralsky is a prime
candidate for lawsuits in any state with an anti-spam law.
Thomas Cowles is another long-time spammer, but last I heard
he'd been jailed for stealing computer equipment from his
business partner, Eddy Marin (also a long time spammer (You've
heard of PopLaunch, right?)
> - Spammers do not always remember to include contact information! I
> don't understand it either, but nobody said they were bright. Also,
> some spam is non-commercial or sent by a third-party (for example,
> "pump and dump" stock scams), so contact information is not strictly
> required for the spammer to get their way.
Back when I was working at MAPS, there was a flap over a
pump-and-dump spammer, Rodona Garst. Seems she had an open
file-share on her laptop, and when she forged the wrong domain,
the real owner hacked in and posted all her private information
on a website. Oh, look, it's still there, including the nude
photos:
http://belps.freewebsites.com/
I recall this well, because the SEC was VERY interested in
confirming the validity of the information found online. There
were some "interesting" conversations. This summer, the SEC
released the following:
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/admin/33-8113.htm
Yes, the investigation took two years, but the financial penalty
for operating a pump-and-dump scam isn't small. The wheels of
government grind slow, but the grind very fine indeed.
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[SAtalk] Having a problem
Now that I have spam assassin and mailscanner working, how can I have smap
deleted rather than forwarded?
I changed spam.actions.conf to "default delete" but it is still sending it
to the recipient.
Thanks,
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Re: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?
On Wednesday 28 August 2002 04:38 pm, Daniel Quinlan wrote:
> Matthew Cline <matt@nightrealms.com> writes:
> > There must be *some* way of tracking a spammer down, since they are
> > planning on making money from the spam. What a court would consider
> > evidence of being the spammer is another question.
> Haha!!!
> Just a few notes:
> - It will be difficult to find, prosecute, and win money from someone
> in various non-friendly countries where spam originates (China is a
> good example) even if they do officially "respect" copyright law.
SA (and other filters) could be configured to ignore the SWE mark if it
appears to come from/through China.
> - Spammers do not always remember to include contact information! I
> don't understand it either, but nobody said they were bright. Also,
> some spam is non-commercial or sent by a third-party (for example,
> "pump and dump" stock scams), so contact information is not strictly
> required for the spammer to get their way.
SA could also be configured so that SWE marks are ignored in messages that
look like third-party spam (like stock scams). Of course, this would still
mean that "The U.N. is going to invade America!" spams with SWE would get
through. Probably also need to ignore SWE in messages that look like
Nigerian scams.
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RE: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?
Guys, the Habeas Infringers List (HIL) exists explicitly to deal with
spammers while we're getting judgments against them and especially in
other countries, where those judgments are harder to get.
Please note that nobody has ever had an incentive before to go after
regular spammers. Yes, some attorneys general have prosecuted blatant
pyramid schemes, and ISPs have won some theft of service suits, but the
vast majority of spammers go forward with out any legal hassles. So, I
can't understand how Daniel can assert that you can't track spammers
down when it's never really been tried. We can subpoena the records of
the business they spammed on behalf of. We can subpoena the records of
the ISP that provided them service, and of the credit card they used for
the whack-a-mole accounts. We can use private investigators. Yes,
these people are often lowlifes (chickenboners). But, they're not
secret agents. They're just trying to make a buck, and Habeas' whole
business is about finding them and putting them out of business
Habeas has the incentive to pursue spammers (that use our warrant mark)
in a way that no one ever has had before. Given that our whole business
plan relies on Habeas becoming synonymous with "not spam", I can't
understand why you would assume ahead of time that we will be
unsuccessful, plan for that failure, and in so doing, remove the
potential of success, which is anti-spam filters like SA acting on the
Habeas warrant mark.
Daniel, it's easy enough for you to change the Habeas scores yourself on
your installation. If Habeas fails to live up to its promise to only
license the warrant mark to non-spammers and to place all violators on
the HIL, then I have no doubt that Justin and Craig will quickly remove
us from the next release. But, you're trying to kill Habeas before it
has a chance to show any promise.
At the end of the day, SpamAssassin is like the Club, in that it
encourages thieves (spammers) to just go after the next car (those
without SA) rather than yours. Habeas can play the role of LoJack (the
transmitter), in enabling the apprehension of thieves so that they don't
steal any more cars. But only if we're given a chance to succeed.
- dan
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-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Quinlan [mailto:quinlan@pathname.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 16:38
To: Matthew Cline
Cc: spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?
Matthew Cline <matt@nightrealms.com> writes:
> There must be *some* way of tracking a spammer down, since they are
> planning on making money from the spam. What a court would consider
> evidence of being the spammer is another question.
Haha!!!
Just a few notes:
- It will be difficult to find, prosecute, and win money from someone
in various non-friendly countries where spam originates (China is a
good example) even if they do officially "respect" copyright law.
- Law suits take time. Between now and conclusion of the first court
case, we could have years of spam in our mail boxes!
- Contact information can change: phone numbers, PO boxes, stolen
cell phones, temporary email addresses, etc.
- Spammers do not always remember to include contact information! I
don't understand it either, but nobody said they were bright. Also,
some spam is non-commercial or sent by a third-party (for example,
"pump and dump" stock scams), so contact information is not strictly
required for the spammer to get their way.
Dan
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Re: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?
On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:45:49 -0700
Brian McNett <bmcnett@radparker.com> wrote:
> The first court cases were actually concluded years ago. These
> include many legal precedents which are used to protect the
> rights of ISPs to block mail, and to terminate service to
> spammers.
Yeah, but these would be different cases relating to copyright infringements,
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Re: [SAtalk] Tru64 compile of SA
Don Newcomer wrote:
> I'm a new user (or about to be, hopefully) of SA but I've run into some
> compilation errors that prevent me from installing. Rather than picking
> through the code, I thought I'd avoid reinventing the wheel and ask here.
> When I run the 'make', I get the following:
>
> cc: Error: spamd/spamc.c, line 50: In this declaration, "in_addr_t" has no
> linka
> ge and has a prior declaration in this scope at line number 572 in file
> /usr/inc
> lude/sys/types.h. (nolinkage)
> typedef unsigned long in_addr_t; /* base type for internet address
> */
Don't worry about the warnings. To fix the error, edit spamc.c and right
after the line that says:
#define EX__MAX 77
Add:
#if !defined __osf__
extern char *optarg;
typedef unsigned long in_addr_t; /* base type for internet address */
#endif
(you're adding the two lines that start with #).
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Re: [SAdev] 2.40: ready for release?
> It's this section of spamassassin.raw:
>
> <<<<<<< spamassassin.raw
[...snip] }
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
[... snip ...]
> >>>>>>> 1.68.2.10
[...snip...]
This is what cvs puts in when you modify the copy of the file on your disk
and someone checks in a change and then you pull an update and cvs can't
figure out how to merge your changes and the checked in changes. The lines
between the <<<<<< and the ===== are in your file and the ones in the next
section are what have been checked in. You must have not noticed the warning
messages about conflicts that cvs gave you when you did the update, and the
"C" flag next to that file when cvs listed the files being pulled.
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Re: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?
DanQ> I think it would make more sense to start Habeas with a less
DanQ> aggressive score (one which will not give spammers a quick path
DanQ> into everyone's inbox) and after we've seen evidence that the
DanQ> system works, then we can increase the magnitude of the score.
Better yet, let the GA figure out the correct score. ;-) That will obviously
take awhile since you'll have to acquire enough messages with it, but it
should give you a good idea if the presence of Habeus headers are good spam
indicators or not. If they are, my guess is that Habeus will probably not
succeed.
Taking things further off-topic: Does Habeus charge a license fee to
organizations who want to use their copyrighted material or is their sole
revenue stream to come from legal judgements? On the one hand, if they
charge license fees, I'd worry that when times got tough they'd be somewhat
less critical of organizations we'd call spammers today in order to generate
license fees. If not, I'd worry the pendulum would swing the other way and
they'd go after legitimate businesses in an attempt to generate more
revenues from judgements and/or out of court settlements. Either way, it
seems like they have an interesting tightrope to walk.
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Re: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?
Dan Kohn <dan@dankohn.com> writes:
> Guys, the Habeas Infringers List (HIL) exists explicitly to deal with
> spammers while we're getting judgments against them and especially in
> other countries, where those judgments are harder to get.
My concern doesn't stem from failing to understand how your business is
intended to work. My concern is the lack of empirical evidence that it
will reduce the amount of uncaught spam.
> Please note that nobody has ever had an incentive before to go after
> regular spammers. Yes, some attorneys general have prosecuted blatant
> pyramid schemes, and ISPs have won some theft of service suits, but
> the vast majority of spammers go forward with out any legal hassles.
> So, I can't understand how Daniel can assert that you can't track
> spammers down when it's never really been tried.
Please don't misquote me. I did not assert that you "can't track
spammers". Here is what I said:
| It will be difficult to find, prosecute, and win money from someone in
| various non-friendly countries where spam originates (China is a good
| example) even if they do officially "respect" copyright law.
I understand the incentive that you have to pursue spammers, but that
does not directly translate to less spam being sent to my inbox. It is
an indirect effect and the magnitude of the effect may not be sufficient
to counteract the ease with which a -20 score on the mark allows spam to
avoid being tagged as spam.
> Daniel, it's easy enough for you to change the Habeas scores yourself
> on your installation. If Habeas fails to live up to its promise to
> only license the warrant mark to non-spammers and to place all
> violators on the HIL, then I have no doubt that Justin and Craig will
> quickly remove us from the next release. But, you're trying to kill
> Habeas before it has a chance to show any promise.
I think I've worked on SA enough to understand that I can localize a
score. I'm just not comfortable with using SpamAssassin as a vehicle
for drumming up your business at the expense of our user base.
I think it would make more sense to start Habeas with a less aggressive
score (one which will not give spammers a quick path into everyone's
inbox) and after we've seen evidence that the system works, then we can
increase the magnitude of the score.
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RE: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?
> I think I've worked on SA enough to understand that I can localize a
> score. I'm just not comfortable with using SpamAssassin as a vehicle
> for drumming up your business at the expense of our user base.
This is exactly what I think. SpamAssassin has always been conservative
about adding unproven RBLs and such, and this should be the same.
> I think it would make more sense to start Habeas with a less aggressive
> score (one which will not give spammers a quick path into everyone's
> inbox) and after we've seen evidence that the system works, then we can
> increase the magnitude of the score.
I say start it with a zero score and put it in 70_cvs_rules_under_test like
any other unproven rule. Then score it based on actual results, not
promises. My corpus does not yet contain a single non-spam (or spam) message
with a Habeas mark. Based on that, it doesn't impress me and it wouldn't
impress the GA either. Rules with exactly the same statistics are being
dropped from SA right now, and I don't see why this should be any different.
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Re: [SAtalk] SA very slow (hangs?) on this message, or is it just me?
Urban Boquist wrote:
> If I run spamassassin on this message:
>
> http://www.boquist.net/stort-sup-brev
>
> it seems to hang. Memory usage goes up to 73MB and stays there. I have
> let it run for an hour before I killed it. This was on a
> Pentium-II-366. Yes, I know, a bit slow, but still...
>
> Can anyone else confirm this hang? Maybe I should just upgrade...
Don't run SA on mails this large. Most people tend to ignore mails
larger than about 250K in spamassassin processing, because it just kills
performance. There are some known issues with the parsing (such as the
HTML parsing stuff which is much improved in 2.40 which we're soon to
release), but nothing that's too likely to be fixed by 2.40. Perhaps in
2.50 though.
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Re: [SAtalk] SA very slow (hangs?) on this message, or is it just me?
Urban Boquist wrote:
> Hi Matt, and thanks for your quick reply.
>
> Matt> Don't run SA on mails this large.
>
> That would be fine, if I only understood how I should do that. I can't
> find anything in the SA documention that mentions some kind of upper
> limit for the size of a message. What should I put in my user_prefs
> file?
>
> I run SA from procmail btw, but I can't imagine that procmail would be
> able to check the size of a message before handing it over to SA?
That's exactly what it can do:
:0fw <250000
| spamassassin -P
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[SACVS] CVS: spamassassin procmailrc.example,1.3,1.3.2.1
Update of /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin
In directory usw-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv7642
Modified Files:
Tag: b2_4_0
procmailrc.example
Log Message:
added length limit to sample procmail recipe
Index: procmailrc.example
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/procmailrc.example,v
retrieving revision 1.3
retrieving revision 1.3.2.1
diff -b -w -u -d -r1.3 -r1.3.2.1
--- procmailrc.example 16 Aug 2002 18:34:27 -0000 1.3
+++ procmailrc.example 29 Aug 2002 13:37:43 -0000 1.3.2.1
@@ -1,5 +1,7 @@
-# Pipe the mail through spamassassin
+# Pipe the mail through spamassassin, unless it's over 256k
+# (SpamAssassin can take a long time to process large messages)
:0fw
+* < 256000
| spamassassin
# Move it to the "caughtspam" mbox if it was tagged as spam
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Re: [SAtalk] SA very slow (hangs?) on this message, or is it just me?
On Thursday 29 August 2002 16:39 CET Mike Burger wrote:
> >[...]
> > re-check I find it immediately:
> > :0fw
> > * < 250000
> > | spamassassin -P
> >
> > Works perfectly now. Sorry for being such a pest! ;-)
> >[...]
>
> I'm using SA via spamc/spamd, and a global /etc/procmail file. I'm
> wondering if this would also work in that fashion.
spamc will skip every file bigger than 250k on it's own. It's got the
command line switch -s to change this value. But it doesn't hurt of course
to use the procmail limit.
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Re: [SAtalk] SA very slow (hangs?) on this message, or is it just me?
Urban Boquist wrote:
> it seems to hang. Memory usage goes up to 73MB and stays there. I have
> let it run for an hour before I killed it. This was on a
> Pentium-II-366. Yes, I know, a bit slow, but still...
>
> Can anyone else confirm this hang? Maybe I should just upgrade...
>
> My environment is: SA-2.31, perl-5.6 running on NetBSD-1.6F.
Version 2.40-cvs (from today) on NetBSD/i386 1.5.2 (Athlon 1500):
Aug 29 17:55:53 silence spamd[2052]: processing message
<20020829093613.6A00319300@groda.boquist.net> for kh:1234, expecting
1744014 bytes.
Aug 29 17:57:10 silence spamd[2052]: clean message (2.5/5.0) for
kh:1234 in 77 seconds, 1744014 bytes.
Resident size about 75MB, according to top.
ciao
Klaus
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Re: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?
Bart Schaefer said:
> This is off the topic of the rest of this discussion, but amavisd (in all
> its incarnations) and MIMEDefang and several other MTA plugins all reject
> at SMTP time messages that scores higher than some threshold (often 10).
argh, they do not, do they? the FPs must be just gigantic :(
> If some new release were to start scoring all spam no higher than 5.1,
> there'd better be _zero_ FPs, because all those filters would drop their
> thresholds to 5.
Well, my point is more that we should aim our rescoring algorithm so that
a spam hits 5.0. Any higher does us no good, as it means an FP is
a lot harder to recover from, using compensation rules.
Spams *will* hit higher than that -- that's just the way the scoring works.
but for our code to be effective, and spread the range of scores
correctly, we just have to optimise to hit 1 threshold.
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Re: [SAtalk] UPPERCASE_* rules and foreign character sets
On Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 11:37:02AM +0100, Clayton, Nik [IT] wrote:
> Have the UPPERCASE_* rules been tested on messages in non-English
> character sets, and/or where the message is MIME encoded in some way?
>
> I'm getting a lot of false positives on Japanese mail, and I think the
> encoding is responsible for triggering this rule.
Like Justin said, this is fixed in CVS.
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Re: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?
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Justin Mason <jm@jmason.org> [2002-08-29 17:00:12 +0100]:
> Well, my point is more that we should aim our rescoring algorithm so that
> a spam hits 5.0. Any higher does us no good, as it means an FP is
> a lot harder to recover from, using compensation rules.
Agreed.
But I have always thought that the value 5 was not the best value. It
should have been 0. I understand that initially only spammy scores
were included. But I believe the algorithm should be purely
symmetrical and non-spammy negative values should also have been
balancing out the spammy positive values, like they do in SA today.
Then anything that was positive would be spam and anything negative
would be non-spam. (And I guess exactly zero is grey. :-) Today's
choice of 5 just adds an offset. Which I think cause people to assume
things work differently than they do.
Bob
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Re: [SAdev] GA-assigned SPAM_PHRASE_55_XX score
jm@jmason.org (Justin Mason) writes:
> BTW I tried tweaking some of the scores that lint-rules complained about
> being negative when they shouldn't be, and it *ruined* the results. it's
> worth hand-tweaking a bit, but in some cases, there's counter-intuitive
> combinatorial effects like the above, so be careful when tweaking; run
> a "./logs-to-c && ./evolve -C" to check the new hitrates afterwards.
My tendency is to say that we shouldn't tweak at all.
- Dan
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Nanananana
C
On Friday, August 30, 2002, at 02:19 AM, Justin Mason wrote:
> Looks like my algos aren't flexible enough, and Craig wins ;)
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Re: [SAdev] results of scorer evaluation
Daniel Quinlan wrote:
DQ> Before we release, it'd be great if someone could test a few
DQ> additional score ranges. Maybe we can lower FPs a bit more. :-)
I don't think there's much more room for lowering FPs left which the GA can
achieve. Remember, also, that the AWL will reduce FPs, but its effects aren't
factored in to the GA scores.
The work currently being done on the GA, and comparing different methods of
doing the score-setting, is very worthwhile, and extremely useful; however, we
really ought to get a release out, since 2.31 is getting decreasingly useful as
time goes on.
The FP/FN rate of 2.40 with pretty well *any* score-setting mechanism will be
better than 2.31 -- we can continue with adjusting how the scores are set on the
2.41 or 2.50 branches.
DQ> Something like:
DQ>
DQ> for (low = -12; low <= -4; low += 2)
DQ> for (high = 2; high <= 6; high += 2)
DQ> evolve
You could just allow low and high to be evolved by the GA (within ranges); I'd
be enormously surprised if it didn't end up with low=-12 and high=+6, since
that'd give the GA the broadest lattitude in setting individual scores. The
issue with fixing low and high is not one of optimization, but rather one of
human-based concern that individual scores larger than about +4 are dangerous
and liable to generate FPs, and individual scores less than -8 are dangerous and
liable to be forged to generate FNs.
DQ> Maybe even add a nybias loop.
Adding an nybias loop is not worthwhile -- changing nybias scores will just
alter the evaluation function's idea of what the FP:FN ratio should be.
DQ> > AFAIK there's nothing major hanging out waiting to be checked in
DQ> > on b2_4_0 is there?
DQ>
DQ> Nope.
Great!
DQ> > I'll be on IM most of today, tomorrow, and monday while cranking
DQ> > on the next Deersoft product release (should be a fun one). Hit
DQ> > me at:
DQ> >
DQ> > AIM: hugh3scr
DQ> > ICQ: 1130120
DQ> > MSN: craig@stanfordalumni.org
DQ> > YIM: hughescr
DQ>
DQ> We've been hanging out on IRC at irc.rhizomatic.net on #spamassassin
DQ> (the timezone difference gets in the way, though).
I've been searching for that, but I guess the details of where the channel was
got lost in the shuffle.
C
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Re: [SAtalk] Tru64 compile of SA
On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Rick Beebe wrote:
> > cc: Error: spamd/spamc.c, line 50: In this declaration, "in_addr_t" has no
> > linka
> > ge and has a prior declaration in this scope at line number 572 in file
> > /usr/inc
> > lude/sys/types.h. (nolinkage)
> > typedef unsigned long in_addr_t; /* base type for internet address
> > */
>
> Don't worry about the warnings. To fix the error, edit spamc.c and right
Thanks for posting this tip - I had the same problem compiling with
Tru64 and that took care of it.
When I did the "make install" I got this error:
LOCK: -f /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf
|| cp rules/local.cf /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf
sh: syntax error at line 1: `||' unexpected
*** Exit 2
Stop.
It appears that this comes from the "inst_cfs:" part of the Makefile,
which copies local.cf into /etc/mail/spamassassin. The Makefile has
brackets around the -f test, but they don't show up above. Any ideas?
Jim
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Re: [SAdev] SpamAssassin v2.40 released (finally)!
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On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 06:53:24PM +0100, Justin Mason wrote:
> - Razor v2 now supported fully
<grrr> Who changed my code? Dns.pm and Reporter.pm WRT Razor
have pointers to $Mail::SpamAssassin::DEBUG, whereas it should be
$Mail::SpamAssassin::DEBUG->{enabled}...
I'll be submitting a bug/patch for this shortly.
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[Razor-users] honor is not in csl
Folks,
Some of you seem to have hardcoded honor as the default catalogue server.
There are three catalogue only servers running now, and honor is acting
as a nomination only server. Tonight we will be completely turning off
catalogue support on honor, so if you are specifying honor with the -rs
option, please take it out and let the agents discover a closeby
catalogue server.
cheers,
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RE: [Razor-users] honor is not in csl
I know that I did this during the week that all the catalogue's were
hokey but after that I changed it back to discovery. So I can see why
people are using honor.
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To: razor-users@example.sourceforge.net
Subject: [Razor-users] honor is not in csl
Folks,
Some of you seem to have hardcoded honor as the default catalogue
server. There are three catalogue only servers running now, and honor is
acting as a nomination only server. Tonight we will be completely
turning off catalogue support on honor, so if you are specifying honor
with the -rs option, please take it out and let the agents discover a
closeby catalogue server.
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[Razor-users] Razor with sendmail
I'm after a recipe for using Razor with Sendmail. Unfortunately, I can't
get Procmail on my hosting but I do have full access to the Sendmail
alias list.
Can anyone point me at some docs for this as I couldn't find anything in
the Razor docs.
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[Razor-users] Razor 2.14 - the day after
I recently installed Razor v2.14 and started using it. I am finding it
necessary to whitelist a _lot_ of mailing lists. Some, such as yahoogroups,
I can't whitelist because the from: address is the person making the post,
so I will have to whitelist on another field when I can modify my code to do
so. I wonder if someone is not being careful about their submissions, or if
these are bad mailing lists that don't drop bad mail addresses that become
trollboxes in time.
Any employee who has left my company more than three years ago is eligible
to become a trollbox. I figure after three years of bounced mail, the list
should have figured out they aren't here any more.
Fox
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Re: [Razor-users] Razor 2.14 - the day after
Good day, Fox,
On Fri, 23 Aug 2002, Fox wrote:
> I recently installed Razor v2.14 and started using it. I am finding it
> necessary to whitelist a _lot_ of mailing lists. Some, such as yahoogroups,
> I can't whitelist because the from: address is the person making the post,
> so I will have to whitelist on another field when I can modify my code to do
> so. I wonder if someone is not being careful about their submissions, or if
> these are bad mailing lists that don't drop bad mail addresses that become
> trollboxes in time.
I've found excellent luck with the X-Been____There header (____'s
added to to avoid tripping procmail rules):
____X-Been____There: news@jabber.org
Cheers,
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Re: [Razor-users] Razor with sendmail
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On Fri, Aug 23, 2002 at 03:03:05PM -0400, Rose, Bobby wrote:
> If you didn't add it when compile would be one way. Another would be to
> grep your sendmail.cf for the word Milter.
I don't know if there's a sendmail-ish way (it's not in the -d0.1 output),
but this should work:
$ strings `which sendmail` | grep -i milter
If you get a long list of function/message looking phrases, milter
is built-in. If you get something like:
Warning: Filter usage ('X') requires Milter support (-DMILTER)
Milter Warning: Option: %s requires Milter support (-DMILTER)
@(#)$Id: milter.c,v 1.1.1.2 2002/03/12 18:00:36 zarzycki Exp $
then it's not built-in. :)
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"M: Can anyone tell us the lesson that has been learned here?
S: Yes Master, not a single one of us could defeat you.
M: You gain wisdom child ... " - The Frantics
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Re: [Razor-users] Razor with sendmail
"Bort, Paul" <pbort@tmwsystems.com> wrote:
>If your sendmail has been compiled with Milter support, you can add SMRazor
>easily. We've been using it for a while without problems. Others on the list
>have mentioned it as well.
>
>http://www.sapros.com/smrazor/
Is there an easy way to tell if Milter is compiled in?
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