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RE: [Razor-users] Razor with sendmail If you didn't add it when compile would be one way. Another would be to grep your sendmail.cf for the word Milter. -----Original Message----- From: Julian Bond [mailto:julian_bond@voidstar.com] Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 2:48 PM To: razor-users@example.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Razor-users] Razor with sendmail "Bort, Paul" <pbort@tmwsystems.com> wrote: >If your sendmail has been compiled with Milter support, you can add >SMRazor easily. We've been using it for a while without problems. >Others on the list have mentioned it as well. > >http://www.sapros.com/smrazor/ Is there an easy way to tell if Milter is compiled in? -- Julian Bond Email&MSM: julian.bond@voidstar.com Webmaster: http://www.ecademy.com/ Personal WebLog: http://www.voidstar.com/ CV/Resume: http://www.voidstar.com/cv/ M: +44 (0)77 5907 2173 T: +44 (0)192 0412 433 ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r_______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users	0
Re: [Razor-users] Razor with sendmail --o99acAvKqrTZeiCU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Aug 23, 2002 at 04:17:55PM -0400, Sven Willenberger wrote: > To see all the options compiled into (and version of) sendmail, try the > following line: >=20 > echo \$Z \| /path/to/sendmail -bt -d0 gives you the same information as "sendmail -d0.1 < /dev/null", which doesn't include milter information. (actually the -d0 part gives you the info, the $Z gives you sendmail version out of the test mode (-bt)... so it's slightly different, but not really.) --=20 Randomly Generated Tagline: Be warned that typing \fBkillall \fIname\fP may not have the desired effect on non-Linux systems, especially when done by a privileged user. (From the killall manual page) --o99acAvKqrTZeiCU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9ZppqAuOQUeWAs2MRAj5BAJ9xX0ndKBQQ8A6hbdoBDFSWMhasXACfXtzK pjl1dQioTsb92uk/0HUhGbo= =m9Tu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --o99acAvKqrTZeiCU-- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users	0
Re: Storing passwords If you need to store a database password, then clearly the first step is to store the text outside the web tree. You can encrypt it and store the encryption key elsewhere, so that at least an attacker has to get two different things. Also, don't get full privileges - create a user account that is GRANTed very limited access. However, you can often do better than this if security is critical. Create a separate program which has these database keys (as noted above), and make the web program contact IT. Create a very limited protocol that ONLY lets you do the operations you need (you can add specific operations later). There's a performance hit, which you're trading for improved data isolation. Giorgio Zoppi wrote: > On Fri, Aug 23, 2002, David Wheeler wrote: > > >>The standard way to store passwords is... not to >>store passwords. Instead, store a salted hash of >>the password in a database. When you get a purported >>password, you re-salt it, compute the hash, and >>determine if they are the same. This is how >>Unix has done it for years. You want bigger hashes >>and salts than the old Unix systems, and you still want >>to prevent reading from those files (to foil password crackers). >>More info is in my book at: >> http://www.dwheeler.com/secure-programs >> > > Well...but this cannot be applied to database password, which most > web apps use. The only solution I figure is store in clear outside web > tree, any other ideas feasible? > > Ciao, > Giorgio. > > -- > Never is Forever - deneb@penguin.it > Homepage: http://www.cli.di.unipi.it/~zoppi/index.html > -- > > > -- --- David A. Wheeler dwheeler@ida.org	0
Secure Sofware Key -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I am wondering if there are any techniques to make a CD-Key of the like unbreakable. Either by giving it a cancelation date and a periodic renewal from a server or just by using self md5 signature on the resulting executable. I know it must not be easy because the whole software piracy problem would be resolved but there must be some way to make it really hard to break it. Anyone have hints on this issue ? Thanks - -- Yannick Gingras Network Programer ESC:wq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9bpYzuv7G0DNFO+QRAqBhAKChTeKXwD8zDMwf+okAKJXnnpknwACgtXZ7 v3bBABue0VX/Uy86Fhn9Ifs= =Uwqj -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----	0
Re: Secure Sofware Key -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Le 3 Septembre 2002 12:43, vous avez �crit : > Yannick, > You'll want to peruse Fravia's web site on reverse engineering (and other > things) http://www.woodmann.com/fravia/protec.htm. That specific page > covers just your concerns. > > Josh Thanks for the input. Some of the tips are quite portable but are there any special attentions to take when implementing such shemes on a UNIX system ? Thanks. - -- Yannick Gingras Coder for OBB : Ostentatiously Breathless Brother-in-law http://OpenBeatBox.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9dQ6guv7G0DNFO+QRApsXAKCjD98foVvLjet3x9ExtihruvT7KACeNayD wDZlxJXjDmLFhNrN97cd73M= =4Clx -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----	0
Re: Secure Sofware Key -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > What do you mean by "CD-Key or the like" (I presume that "of" was a > typo)? And what do you mean by "unbreakable"? "of" was a typo Unbreakable would mean here that no one, even previously authorised entity, could use the system without paying the periodic subscription fee. > You need to be far more explicit about the problem which you wish to > solve, and about the constraints involved. It could be an online system that work 95% offline but poll frequently an offsite server. No mass production CDs, maybe mass personalised d/l like Sun JDK. Nothing is fixed yet, we are looking at the way a software can be protected from unauthorized utilisation. Is the use of "trusted hardware" really worth it ? Does it really make it more secure ? Look at the DVDs. - -- Yannick Gingras Coder for OBB : Obdurately Buteonine Bellwether http://OpenBeatBox.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9dRrnuv7G0DNFO+QRAk8nAKClAhTmyrUgP3ko+DEjcvj0mqfjzACgwQvo WZ6/CMUA23HCMZVycd7XD1Q= =V2G8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----	0
Re: Secure Sofware Key Yannick Gingras wrote: > I am wondering if there are any techniques to make a CD-Key of the like > unbreakable. Either by giving it a cancelation date and a periodic renewal > from a server or just by using self md5 signature on the resulting > executable. I know it must not be easy because the whole software piracy > problem would be resolved but there must be some way to make it really hard > to break it. Anyone have hints on this issue ? What do you mean by "CD-Key or the like" (I presume that "of" was a typo)? And what do you mean by "unbreakable"? You need to be far more explicit about the problem which you wish to solve, and about the constraints involved. Some general points: 1. For a conventional "CD key" system, where the actual CDs are mass-produced (where you have many identical CDs), and the entire system has to work offline, you cannot solve the problem of valid keys being "traded" (e.g. included along with bootleg copies of the product). If there's an online element involved, you can "tie" keys to a specific hardware configuration, as is done (AFAIK) for Windows XP's "product activation". 2. Anything which uses a symmetric cipher (or hash) is bound to be vulnerable to reverse engineering of the validation routines within the executable. 3. Ultimately, any software mechanism will be vulnerable to "cracking", i.e. modifying the software to disable or circumvent the validation checks. This can only be prevented by the use of trusted hardware (e.g. a Palladium-style system). Most significantly, the data must be supplied in a form which is only accessible by that hardware. If anyone can get at the data in a meaningful (i.e. unencrypted) form, they can extract the useful parts and discard the rest (i.e. any associated protection mechanisms). IOW, you have to "keep the genie in the bottle" at all times. If the data can be got at just once (even if it requires the use of dedicated hardware such as a bus analyser), it can then be duplicated and distributed without limit. -- Glynn Clements <glynn.clements@virgin.net>	0
Re: Secure Sofware Key Yannick Gingras wrote: > > What do you mean by "CD-Key or the like" (I presume that "of" was a > > typo)? And what do you mean by "unbreakable"? > > "of" was a typo > > Unbreakable would mean here that no one, even previously authorised entity, > could use the system without paying the periodic subscription fee. > > > You need to be far more explicit about the problem which you wish to > > solve, and about the constraints involved. > > It could be an online system that work 95% offline but poll frequently an > offsite server. No mass production CDs, maybe mass personalised d/l like Sun > JDK. > > Nothing is fixed yet, we are looking at the way a software can be protected > from unauthorized utilisation. > > Is the use of "trusted hardware" really worth it ? Answering that requires fairly complete knowledge of the business model. But, in all probability: no, it isn't usually worth it. So, it comes down to how difficult you want to make the cracker's job. If the product requires occasional authentication, simple copying won't work; the product has to be cracked. In which case, the issue is whether you're actually going to enter into battle with the crackers, or just make sure that it isn't trivial. A lot of it comes down to your customer base. Teenage kids tend to be more concerned about cost and less concerned about viruses/trojans, and so more willing to use warez. Fortune-500 corporations are likely to view matters differently. > Does it really make it more secure ? Yes; software techniques will only get you so far. Actually, the same is ultimately true for hardware, but cracking hardware is likely to require resources other than just labour. Almost (?) anything can be reverse engineered. But it may be possible to ensure that doing so is uneconomical. > Look at the DVDs. IIRC, CSS was cracked by reverse-engineering a software player; and one where the developers forgot to encrypt the decryption key at that. -- Glynn Clements <glynn.clements@virgin.net>	0
Re: Secure Sofware Key > > Is the use of "trusted hardware" really worth it ? > > Answering that requires fairly complete knowledge of the business > model. But, in all probability: no, it isn't usually worth it. So, it > comes down to how difficult you want to make the cracker's job. > > > Look at the DVDs. > > IIRC, CSS was cracked by reverse-engineering a software player; and > one where the developers forgot to encrypt the decryption key at that. This make me wonder about the relative protection of smart cards. They have an internal procession unit around 4MHz. Can we consider them as trusted hardware ? The ability to ship smart cards periodicaly uppon cashing of a monthly subscription fee would not raise too much the cost of "renting" the system. Smart card do their own self encryption. Can they be used to decrypt data needed by the system ? The input of the system could me mangled and the would keep a reference of how long it was in service. This sounds really feasible but I may be totaly wrong. I may also be wrong about the safety of a smart card. What do you think ? -- Yannick Gingras Coder for OBB : Oceangoing Bared Bonanza http://OpenBeatBox.org	0
Re: Secure Sofware Key > Software vendors have been trying since forever to prevent software piracy. > Remember when you had to enter a specific word from a specific page of the > software manual, which was printed on dark maroon paper so that it could > not be photocopied? Didn't work. Propritery encoding of DVD's? Didn't > work. Software that required the use of a registration key? Didn't work. > Windows XP was shipped with this supposedly revolutionary method for > stopping piracy, and what happened? How long was it before the code was > cracked? How many keygens are there for Windows XP? Is someone running a > pirated version of XP really going to use Windows Update to installed a > service pack which breaks their OS? Just because M$ didn't include the > change in their README? Fat chance. My problem is not the same as MS's one, I don't have to deal with millions of identical copy of the same CD with propably millions of working keys. Each download can be unique with a small preparation delay. The key generator is a problem only if multiple keys are usable. If the end users are teenagers, you'll face a huge wall when asking to be 100% of the time online but if we think of something like a health care system that keep track of patients personnal information, the end user will be willing to take every possible steps to protect the system from his own employees to use illegaly. I agree with all of you that mass production CDs will not be safe from piracy in a near futur. That can be seen as a collateral of mass market penetration. BTW thanks for all of you who provided interestiong insight. I'm playing with gdb's dissassembler now but I don't think it's what a typical cracker would use. Any hints on UNIX cracking tools ? Thanks. -- Yannick Gingras Coder for OBB : Onside Brainsick Bract http://OpenBeatBox.org	0
Re: Secure Sofware Key Yannick Gingras wrote: > Is the use of "trusted hardware" really worth it ? Does it really make it > more secure ? Look at the DVDs. DVDs don't use trusted hardware. As for whether it is worth it, that depends entirely on what its worth to secure your software. Cheers, Ben. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ "There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit." - Robert Woodruff	0
[Spambayes] All but one testing Errr... not to be pedantic or anything, but this is called "omit one testing" or OOT in the literature IIRC. Helpful in case you're searching for additional information, say at http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/ for instance. David LeBlanc Seattle, WA USA	0
[Spambayes] all but one testing Tim Peters wrote: > I've run no experiments on training set size yet, and won't hazard a guess > as to how much is enough. I'm nearly certain that the 4000h+2750s I've been > using is way more than enough, though. Okay, I believe you. > Each call to learn() and to unlearn() computes a new probability for every > word in the database. There's an official way to avoid that in the first > two loops, e.g. > > for msg in spam: > gb.learn(msg, True, False) > gb.update_probabilities() I did that. It's still really slow when you have thousands of messages. > In each of the last two loops, the total # of ham and total # of spam in the > "learned" set is invariant across loop trips, and you could break into the > abstraction to exploit that: the only probabilities that actually change > across those loop trips are those associated with the words in msg. Then > the runtime for each trip would be proportional to the # of words in the msg > rather than the number of words in the database. I hadn't tried that. I figured it was better to find out if "all but one" testing had any appreciable value. It looks like it doesn't so I'll forget about it. > Another area for potentially fruitful study: it's clear that the > highest-value indicators usually appear "early" in msgs, and for spam > there's an actual reason for that: advertising has to strive to get your > attention early. So, for example, if we only bothered to tokenize the first > 90% of a msg, would results get worse? Spammers could exploit this including a large MIME part at the beginning of the message. In pratice that would probably work fine. > sometimes an on-topic message starts well but then rambles. Never. I remember the time when I was ten years old and went down to the fishing hole with my buddies. This guy named Gordon had a really huge head. Wait, maybe that was Joe. Well, no matter. As I recall, it was a hot day and everyone was tired...Human Growth Hormone...girl with huge breasts...blah blah blah......	0
[Spambayes] All but one testing David LeBlanc wrote: > Errr... not to be pedantic or anything, but this is called "omit one > testing" or OOT in the literature IIRC. I have no idea. I made up the name. Thanks for the correction. Neil	0
[Spambayes] test sets? [Skip Montanaro] > Any thought to wrapping up your spam and ham test sets for > inclusion w/ the spambayes project? I gave it all the thought it deserved <wink>. It would be wonderful to get several people cranking on the same test data, and I'm all in favor of that. OTOH, my Data/ subtree currently has more than 35,000 files slobbering over 134 million bytes -- even if I had a place to put that much stuff, I'm not sure my ISP would let me email it in one msg <wink>. Apart from that, there was a mistake very early on whose outcome was that this isn't the data I hoped I was using. I hoped I was using a snapshot of only recent msgs (to match the snapshot this way of only spam from 2002), but turns out they actually go back to the last millennium. Greg Ward is currently capturing a stream coming into python.org, and I hope we can get a more modern, and cleaner, test set out of that. But if that stream contains any private email, it may not be ethically possible to make that available. Can you think of anyplace to get a large, shareable ham sample apart from a public mailing list? Everyone's eager to share their spam, but spam is so much alike in so many ways that's the easy half of the data collection problem.	0
[Spambayes] test sets? Tim> I gave it all the thought it deserved <wink>. It would be Tim> wonderful to get several people cranking on the same test data, and Tim> I'm all in favor of that. OTOH, my Data/ subtree currently has Tim> more than 35,000 files slobbering over 134 million bytes -- even if Tim> I had a place to put that much stuff, I'm not sure my ISP would let Tim> me email it in one msg <wink>. Do you have a dialup or something more modern <wink>? 134MB of messages zipped would probably compress pretty well - under 50MB I'd guess with all the similarity in the headers and such. You could zip each of the 10 sets individually and upload them somewhere. Tim> Can you think of anyplace to get a large, shareable ham sample Tim> apart from a public mailing list? Everyone's eager to share their Tim> spam, but spam is so much alike in so many ways that's the easy Tim> half of the data collection problem. How about random sampling lots of public mailing lists via gmane or something similar, manually cleaning it (distributing that load over a number of people) and then relying on your clever code and your rebalancing script to help further cleanse it? The "problem" with the ham is it tends to be much more tied to one person (not just intimate, but unique) than the spam. I save all incoming email for ten days (gzipped mbox format) before it rolls over and disappears. At any one time I think I have about 8,000-10,000 messages. Most of it isn't terribly personal (which I would cull before passing along anyway) and much of it is machine-generated, so would be of marginal use. Finally, it's all ham-n-spam mixed together. Do we call that an omelette or a Denny's Grand Slam? Skip	0
[Spambayes] all but one testing [Tim] > Another area for potentially fruitful study: it's clear that the > highest-value indicators usually appear "early" in msgs, and for spam > there's an actual reason for that: advertising has to strive > to get your attention early. So, for example, if we only bothered to > tokenize the first 90% of a msg, would results get worse? [Neil Schemenauer] > Spammers could exploit this including a large MIME part at the beginning > of the message. In pratice that would probably work fine. Note that timtest.py's current tokenizer only looks at decoded text/* MIME sections (or raw message text if no MIME exists); spammers could put megabytes of other crap before that and it wouldn't even be looked at (except that the email package has to parse non-text/* parts well enough to skip over them, and tokens for the most interesting parts of Content-{Type, Disposition, Transfer-Encoding} decorations are generated for all MIME sections). Schemes that remain ignorant of MIME are vulnerable to spammers putting arbitrary amounts of "nice text" in the preamble area (after the headers and before the first MIME section), which most mail readers don't display, but which appear first in the file so are latched on to by Graham's scoring scheme. But I don't worry about clever spammers -- I've seen no evidence that they exist <0.5 wink>. Even if they do, the Open Source zoo is such that no particular scheme will gain dominance, and there's no percentage for spammers in trying to fool just one scheme. Even if they did, for the kind of scheme we're using here they can't know what "nice text" is, not unless they pay a lot of attention to the spam targets and highly tailor their messages to each different one. At that point they'd be doing targeted marketing, and the cost of the game to them would increase enormously. if-you're-out-to-make-a-quick-buck-you-don't-waste-a-second-on-hard- targets-ly y'rs - tim	0
[Spambayes] test sets? I've got a test set here that's the last 3 and a bit years email to info@ekit.com and info@ekno.com - it's a really ugly set of 20,000+ messages, currently broken into 7,000 spam, 9,000 ham, 9,000 currently unclassified. These addresses are all over the 70-some different ekit/ekno/ISIConnect websites, so they get a LOT of spam. As well as the usual spam, it also has customers complaining about credit card charges, it has people interested in the service and asking questions about long distance rates, &c &c &c. Lots and lots of "commercial" speech, in other words. Stuff that SA gets pretty badly wrong. I'm currently mangling it by feeding all parts (text, html, whatever else :) into the filters, as well as both a selected number of headers (to, from, content-type, x-mailer), and also a list of (header,count_of_header). This is showing up some nice stuff - e.g. the X-uidl that stoopid spammers blindly copy into their messages. I did have Received in there, but it's out for the moment, as it causes rates to drop. I'm also stripping out HTML tags, except for href="" and src="" - there's so so much goodness in them (note that I'm only keeping the contents of the attributes). -- Anthony Baxter <anthony@interlink.com.au> It's never too late to have a happy childhood.	0
[Spambayes] Re: [Python-Dev] Getting started with GBayes testing >>> Tim Peters wrote > > I've actually got a bunch of spam like that. The text/plain is something > > like > > > > This is a HTML message > > > > and nothing else. > > Are you sure that's in a text/plain MIME section? I've seen that many times > myself, but it's always been in the prologue (between MIME sections -- so > it's something a non-MIME aware reader will show you). nod I know - on my todo is to feed the prologue into the system as well. A snippet, hopefully not enough to trigger the spam-filters. To: into89j@gin.elax.ekorp.com X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V??D.1712.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:54:39 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007F_01BDF6C7.FABAC1 B0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a MIME Message ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0080_01BDF6C7. FABAC1B0" ------=_NextPart_001_0080_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable *** This is an HTML Message ! *** ------=_NextPart_001_0080_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4=2E0 transitional//en"> <html> <head>	0
[Spambayes] test sets? >>> Anthony Baxter wrote > I'm currently mangling it by feeding all parts (text, html, whatever > else :) into the filters, as well as both a selected number of headers > (to, from, content-type, x-mailer), and also a list of > (header,count_of_header). This is showing up some nice stuff - e.g. the > X-uidl that stoopid spammers blindly copy into their messages. The other thing on my todo list (probably tonight's tram ride home) is to add all headers from non-text parts of multipart messages. If nothing else, it'll pick up most virus email real quick. -- Anthony Baxter <anthony@interlink.com.au> It's never too late to have a happy childhood.	0
Re: [SAdev] SpamAssassin v2.40 released (finally)! --1sNVjLsmu1MXqwQ/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 06:53:24PM +0100, Justin Mason wrote: > - Razor v2 now supported fully Hmmm... I just upgraded from my modified 2.31 to a slightly modified 2.40 (I add a routine to EvalTests) and get: Sep 2 15:32:24 eclectic spamd[20506]: razor2 check skipped: No such file o= r directory Can't call method "log" on unblessed reference at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/Razor2/Clien= t/Agent.pm line 211, <STDIN> line 22.=20 I haven't quite figured out why yet, more to come. --=20 Randomly Generated Tagline: "So on one hand, honey is an amazingly sophisticated and efficient food source. On the other hand it's bee backwash." - Alton Brown, Good Eats, "Pantry Raid IV: Comb Alone" --1sNVjLsmu1MXqwQ/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9c8zVAuOQUeWAs2MRAm+8AKC24InxYaZY5BJi/u/FI2RQ5hy9jACgi9fM 4jujLQNmvwcQm/8ULtyvaZU= =hKgW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1sNVjLsmu1MXqwQ/--	0
[SAtalk] "Broken Pipe" on initial test Hi I've just installed SpamAssassin and relevant modules. Just tried the initial test: spamassassin -t < sample-nonspam.txt > nonspam.out and got back: Broken Pipe I've also tried using the -P and --pipe option but to no avail. Any help greatly appreciated. BTW - I'm no great Perl expert! rgds Peter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
Re: [SAtalk] SpamAssassin v2.40 released (finally)! On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, Richard Kimber wrote: > On Mon, 2 Sep 2002 13:20:46 -0700 (PDT) > Bart Schaefer <schaefer@zanshin.com> wrote: > > > If you're using "fetchmail --mda spamassassin" or the equivlent, then > > this change means your current setup will no longer work. > > Oh well, I guess there are other anti-spam options out there. Well, (a) you don't HAVE to upgrade, and (b) what you are doing has never been safe in the first place because SpamAssassin 2.31-and-before doesn't do any kind of file locking while it writes to the mailbox and doesn't promise to return the proper failure code on disk-full conditions, etc. If you're still willing to live with (b), all you need is a little shell script to run spamassassin: ---------- #!/bin/sh # call this file "spamassassin-wrapper" and chmod +x it { echo "From $1 `date`" sed -e '1{/^From /d;}' \| spamassassin echo '' } >> $MAIL ---------- And then use fetchmail --mda 'spamassassin-wrapper %F' and you should be all set. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
[SACVS] CVS: spamassassin/masses/tenpass - New directory Update of /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/masses/tenpass In directory usw-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv26829/tenpass Log Message: Directory /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/masses/tenpass added to the repository ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-commits mailing list Spamassassin-commits@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-commits	0
[SAdev] [Bug 804] Razor debugging isn't functioning http://www.hughes-family.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=804 jm@jmason.org changed: What \|Removed \|Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status\|NEW \|RESOLVED Resolution\| \|FIXED ------- Additional Comments From jm@jmason.org 2002-09-02 14:58 ------- ok, now in. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel	0
[SAdev] [Bug 805] Razor2 lookups don't work http://www.hughes-family.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=805 ------- Additional Comments From felicity@kluge.net 2002-09-02 15:05 ------- from the sa-dev mailing list: "ln -s /dev/null ~root/.razor/razor-agent.log" The question is, why does 2.40 do this whereas my 2.31 doesn't. Hmmm. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel	0
Re: [SAtalk] SpamAssassin v2.40 released (finally)! On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, Justin Mason wrote: =>http://spamassassin.org/released/ : => => 508284 Sep 2 18:27 Mail-SpamAssassin-2.40.tar.gz => 561425 Sep 2 18:27 Mail-SpamAssassin-2.40.zip => Not that I'm not grateful, but..... :-) I'd really like to install from a src rpm. Any takers? :-) TIA -- -Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like a banana. Stranger things have - -happened but none stranger than this. Does your driver's license say Organ -Donor?Black holes are where God divided by zero. Listen to me! We are all- -individuals! What if this weren't a hypothetical question? steveo@syslang.net	0
Re: [SAdev] 2.41 release? "Craig R.Hughes" said: > Seems like a good idea. We might get one of two other issues > raised tomorrow too once US people get back to work tomorrow and > start downloading 2.40 in earnest. yep, I reckon that's likely. BTW I'm hearing reports about problems resolving spamassassin.org. Anyone else noticing this? if it's serious I'll see if I can get Mark Reynolds to add a 2ndary in the US, to go with the primaries in Oz. > > - looks like there may be a razor2 issue I think this is a Razor bug/glitch triggered when file permissions don't allow its own log system to work. At least that's the report I heard on the Razor list in the past... Theo, does it work now that you /dev/null'd the logfile? > > - version number (says "cvs") > > - tag tree as "Rel" this time too I won't bother tagging with Rel, IMO; I don't think we should rely on the version control system inside our code, so I've just put a line in Mail/SpamAssassin.pm instead. I will of course tag with a release label though. --j.	0
Re: [SAtalk] BUG: spamd --allowed-ips=[127.0.0.1 must be first] "zeek" said: > This was thoroughly confusing, but by playing musical chairs with the spamd > args I smashed a bug: > > OK: > spamd --debug --daemonize --auto-whitelist --username=nobody --allowed-ips=1 > 27.0.0.1" > OK: > spamd --debug --daemonize --auto-whitelist --username=nobody --allowed-ips=1 > 27.0.0.1, 192.168.1.1" > NOT OK: > spamd --debug --daemonize --auto-whitelist --username=nobody --allowed-ips=1 > 92.168.1.1, 127.0.0.1" fwiw, I can't reproduce this with spamd --debug --auto-whitelist --allowed-ips="127.0.0.1" spamd --debug --auto-whitelist --allowed-ips="127.0.0.1, 192.168.1.1" spamd --debug --auto-whitelist --allowed-ips="192.168.1.1, 127.0.0.1" which I presume is what you meant (except for the missing args of course). They all seem to work OK. --j. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
[SAtalk] Re: Custom actions for high scoring spam Thank you Lars for your reply to my query. > SA doesnt do any of these. It is probably a function of whatever scanning system/MDA > you're using (amavis, procmail, whatever). What exactly are you using? I am using SpamAssassin as part of the MailScanner package (using sendmail as the MTA). It integrates nicely in there, and shares a configuration file with SA. All very neat. > SA in itself does nothing really. You need a frontend (procmail, amavis, etc) > at some point in the mail delivery chain that can hand over the message > to SA and do whatever other processing you want. I thought that SA rated a message with a certain score, then did a certain action (such as store \| deliver \| delete) based on the configuration given. I was hoping there were some other actions that I could custom-program in. Again, many thanks, Adrian ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
[SACVS] CVS: spamassassin/lib/Mail/SpamAssassin Conf.pm,1.91.2.7,1.91.2.8 Update of /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/lib/Mail/SpamAssassin In directory usw-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv17809/lib/Mail/SpamAssassin Modified Files: Tag: b2_4_0 Conf.pm Log Message: added deprecation regarding starting line with space; reserved for future use; also changed sample version_tag Index: Conf.pm =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/lib/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm,v retrieving revision 1.91.2.7 retrieving revision 1.91.2.8 diff -b -w -u -d -r1.91.2.7 -r1.91.2.8 --- Conf.pm 29 Aug 2002 14:52:43 -0000 1.91.2.7 +++ Conf.pm 4 Sep 2002 15:22:39 -0000 1.91.2.8 @@ -24,8 +24,11 @@ files, loaded from the /usr/share/spamassassin and /etc/mail/spamassassin directories. -The C<#> character starts a comment, which continues until end of line, -and whitespace in the files is not significant. +The C<#> character starts a comment, which continues until end of line. + +Whitespace in the files is not significant, but please note that starting a +line with whitespace is deprecated, as we reserve its use for multi-line rule +definitions, at some point in the future. Paths can use C<~> to refer to the user's home directory. @@ -257,7 +260,7 @@ eg. - version_tag perkel2 # version=2.40-perkel2 + version_tag myrules1 # version=2.41-myrules1 =cut ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-commits mailing list Spamassassin-commits@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-commits	0
WARNING. Mail Delayed: Re: [SAtalk] [OT] Perl problem and 2.40 --_===6628399====mx1.yipes.com===_ Content-Type: text/plain This is a warning message only. Your message remains in the server queue, the server will try to send it again. You should not try to resend your message now. Message delivery to 'casimir@tgsnopec.com' delayed SMTP module(domain tgsnopec.com) reports: relay.tgsnopec.com: no response --_===6628399====mx1.yipes.com===_ Content-Type: message/delivery-status Reporting-MTA: dns; mx1.yipes.com Original-Recipient: rfc822;casimir@tgsnopec.com Final-Recipient: rfc822;casimir@tgsnopec.com Action: delayed --_===6628399====mx1.yipes.com===_ Content-Type: text/rfc822-headers Message-ID: <3D77146F.1000603@startechgroup.co.uk> From: Matt Sergeant <msergeant@startechgroup.co.uk> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1b) Gecko/20020901 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Rose, Bobby" <brose@med.wayne.edu> CC: Justin Mason <yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org>, spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [SAtalk] [OT] Perl problem and 2.40 released References: <D79A56AD131896448D0860DEE07CBE1FE1DE@med-core07.med.wayne.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: spamassassin-talk-admin@example.sourceforge.net Errors-To: spamassassin-talk-admin@example.sourceforge.net Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:23:11 +0100 --_===6628399====mx1.yipes.com===_--	0
Re: [SAtalk] PerMsgStatus.pm error? On Thursday 05 September 2002 04:10 CET Mike Burger wrote: > Just loaded up SA 2.40 from Theo's RPMs...spamassassin-2.40-1 and > perl-Mail-SpamAssassin-2.40-1 on a RH 7.1 system with perl 5.6.1 running > on it. > > I'm getting messages that seem to indicate that SA can't find > PerMsgStatus, like so: > > Sep 4 21:01:59 burgers spamd[17579]: Failed to run CTYPE_JUST_HTML > SpamAssassin test, skipping: ^I(Can't locate object method > "check_for_content_type_just_html" via package > "Mail::SpamAssassin::PerMsgStatus" (perhaps you forgot to load > "Mail::SpamAssassin::PerMsgStatus"?) at > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/Mail/SpamAssassin/PerMsgStatus.pm line > 1814, <STDIN> line 21. ) > >[...] > > Any ideas? Perl doesn't complain that it can't find PerMsgStatus.pm but the function check_for_content_type_just_html(). Do you probably have some old rules files still lurking around? This test existed in 2.31 but is gone/was renamed with 2.40. Malte -- -- Coding is art. -- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
[SAtalk] www.spamassassin.org: giving a HTTP/1.1 error from I'm getting an error page from sourceforge.net when I try to go to www.spamassassin.org. Just FYI. -- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 972-414-9812 E-Mail: ler@lerctr.org US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749 ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
Re: [SAtalk] getting single-user spam assassin to work in FreeBSD "Clark C . Evans" said: > Hello. I'm hosted on a FreeBSD box where I can't modify the > local Perl installation. I downloaded and installed procmail > in my home directory, and now I'm trying to get spamassassin to work... > > bash-2.05$ perl Makefile.PL PREFIX=/home/cce SYSCONFDIF=/home/cce/etc > Warning: prerequisite HTML::Parser 0 not found at (eval 1) line 219. > Warning: prerequisite Pod::Usage 0 not found at (eval 1) line 219. > 'SYSCONFDIF' is not a known MakeMaker parameter name. SYSCONFDIR. --j. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
Re: [SAtalk] Trend: Spam disguised as newsletters "Kerry Nice" said: > What about some reality check rules. Yeah, you can pack in lots of things > into the header to try and get some negative points, but do they all make > sense in combination. Can you have a Pine message id in the same header > with an Outlook Express one or a Mutt User-Agent? Yes, this is a big bonus of meta rules (new in 2.40); we can now e.g. check for an Outlook-style forwarded message, and not give it negative points unless it contains other signs of being from Outlook. > I think the headers should be paid special attention to. The message > content of something from the NY Times or Lockergnome might look spammy, but > usually they don't forge or fake anything in the header. Tone down the > negative scores and ding them extra for any obvious forgeries. When we get more (good) "nice" tests, the GA will assign lower scores to them. I think the current problem is that there are very few really good nice tests in the current rulebase, and lots of +ve tests that those newsletters hit, giving the GA a big problem to solve. --j. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
Re: [SAtalk] My SA went crazy. Jesus Climent said: > d output: Bareword found where operator expected at (eval 11) line 95, > near "25FREEMEGS_URL_uri_test" (Missing operator before > FREEMEGS_URL_uri_test?) Bareword found whe > Is that a bug or is a fault in my system? looks like there's an out-of-date copy of the rules files, on your system. that rules is called "FREEMEGS_URL" nowadays. --j. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
[SAtalk] Thought for RPM/deb/etc packagers BTW, I've been thinking a little about the RPMs and other packages. Already the PLD guys are distributing 3 rpms: - perl-Mail-SpamAssassin the perl modules. - spamassassin the "spamassassin" and "spamd" scripts, spamd rc-file etc. - spamassassin-tools mass-check, masses directory stuff, etc. for generating rescore data from corpora. This seems like a good way to do it; this way, stuff which just needs the perl modules doesn't need to require the full RPM be installed, with RC files in init.d etc. It's been adopted in the distributed .spec file, anyway. Theo, BTW, what's the eval test you add in the tvd version of the RPM? --j. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
Re: [SAtalk] PerMsgStatus.pm error? It's possible...I performed the update via "rpm -U"...which, of course, created all the new rulesets as "xx_rulename.cf.rpmnew" Crud. I'll have to start moving things around. On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Malte S. Stretz wrote: > On Thursday 05 September 2002 04:10 CET Mike Burger wrote: > > Just loaded up SA 2.40 from Theo's RPMs...spamassassin-2.40-1 and > > perl-Mail-SpamAssassin-2.40-1 on a RH 7.1 system with perl 5.6.1 running > > on it. > > > > I'm getting messages that seem to indicate that SA can't find > > PerMsgStatus, like so: > > > > Sep 4 21:01:59 burgers spamd[17579]: Failed to run CTYPE_JUST_HTML > > SpamAssassin test, skipping: ^I(Can't locate object method > > "check_for_content_type_just_html" via package > > "Mail::SpamAssassin::PerMsgStatus" (perhaps you forgot to load > > "Mail::SpamAssassin::PerMsgStatus"?) at > > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/Mail/SpamAssassin/PerMsgStatus.pm line > > 1814, <STDIN> line 21. ) > > > >[...] > > > > Any ideas? > > Perl doesn't complain that it can't find PerMsgStatus.pm but the function > check_for_content_type_just_html(). Do you probably have some old rules > files still lurking around? This test existed in 2.31 but is gone/was > renamed with 2.40. > > Malte > > ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
[SAtalk] [OT] SpamAssassin figures... I finally found the SpamAssassin ninja's! After months of searchng.. I found the litte guys at a bowling alley in Valencia! Here's a shot of my beloved clan! http://www.mattahfahtu.com/ ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
Re: [SAtalk] [OT] SpamAssassin figures... sorry for the dupe.. thought the com address would bounce.. my bad. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
Re: [SAtalk] redhat init.d script for spamd and the -H option --UHN/qo2QbUvPLonB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 11:32:01AM -0500, Josh Hildebrand wrote: > Unfortunately, when I run that, it complains about the H parameter. >=20 > -F 0\|1 remove/add 'From ' line at start of output (default: 1) >=20 > But I can run it on the command line as "spamd -d -c -a -H" just fine. >=20 > Anyone else run into this problem? you look to have 2 versions of spamd installed. The one running from the RC script is pre-2.4 (there is a -H now, and -F has been removed), but the one you run from the commandline seems to be a 2.4x version. I would find that old version of SA and blow it away. --=20 Randomly Generated Tagline: "If you lend someone $20, and never see that person again, it was probably worth it." - Zen Musings --UHN/qo2QbUvPLonB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9eOvDAuOQUeWAs2MRAmQQAKDvRrfV2FasxShCaSQCCdfbvx4mbQCeK3Eq IXNsRLjK0elfi5oPbnQedEI= =woQJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --UHN/qo2QbUvPLonB-- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
Re: [SAtalk] Lotus Notes users? On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 06:22:52PM +0100, Matt Sergeant wrote: > Can anyone out there who uses SA with lotus notes users help us figure > out what to tell customers to do when they've got emails coming in with > spam identifying headers? We've been told that Notes has no way to > handle extra headers, but I'm sure that can't be universally true. > > I've searched the 'net, and it seems that Notes can only filter based on > the "visible" headers, i.e. sender, subject, precedence, etc. Is there > any way to filter based on X- headers? => Yes the only way out with Notes looks like changing the subject (subject_tag). Regards, SL/ --- Stephane Lentz / Alcanet International - Internet Services ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
Re: [SAdev] [Bug 840] spam_level_char option change/removal --sHrvAb52M6C8blB9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 10:09:19AM -0700, bugzilla-daemon@hughes-family.org= wrote: > another (or would look terrible). Let's just use a letter. If > aesthetics are your concern, I think an "x" will look just fine. "x" is fine, but let's not take out the config option. if people really want to have it be something else, we shouldn't hinder them. --=20 Randomly Generated Tagline: "And the next time you consider complaining that running Lucid Emacs 19.05 via NFS from a remote Linux machine in Paraguay doesn't seem to get the background colors right, you'll know who to thank." (By Matt Welsh) --sHrvAb52M6C8blB9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9eOxDAuOQUeWAs2MRAuH1AKD8heTyLbbAWWkpWyjY6k4JwKhOMgCg4C++ rl8B1iVlvS/M0aFW6DubyQA= =BibY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --sHrvAb52M6C8blB9-- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel	0
[SAdev] [Bug 840] spam_level_char option change/removal http://www.hughes-family.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=840 ------- Additional Comments From felicity@kluge.net 2002-09-06 10:56 ------- Subject: Re: [SAdev] spam_level_char option change/removal On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 10:09:19AM -0700, bugzilla-daemon@hughes-family.org wrote: > another (or would look terrible). Let's just use a letter. If > aesthetics are your concern, I think an "x" will look just fine. "x" is fine, but let's not take out the config option. if people really want to have it be something else, we shouldn't hinder them. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel	0
Re: [SAtalk] Lotus Notes users? On Saturday 07 September 2002 23:22 CET Daniel Quinlan wrote: > Craig Hughes <craig@hughes-family.org> writes: > > How about configuring SA to set precendence to "low" for spam > > messages, then filter on that -- no real human I've ever seen has > > actually set precendence to low on real mail. > > Assuming there isn't a better way for Lotus Notes users, we could > create a "Precedence: spam" convention. The only two Precedence: > headers I've seen (aside from one or two odd messages) are "bulk" and > "list". Adding a "spam" header makes sense given the convention. I'd suggest using Precedence: junk. Albeit it's no standard header does most Software already recognize it. Courier eg. doesn't send auto-replies to mails with the Precedence bulk or junk. I think Outlook does handle these special, too. [1] says: \| Autoresponses should always contain the header \| Precedence: junk \| Notice the spelling of "prec-e-dence". In particular, count the number of \| n:s (and a:s and s:es, if you're totally agraphic and/or from the United \| States). This will prevent well-tempered mail programs from generating \| bounce messages for these. If the recipient can't be reached, the \| autoresponder message is simply discarded. \| [...] \| (For what it's worth, the meaning of the Precedence header in practice is \| that it affects Sendmail so that messages identified as less important get \| moved back in the queue under high load. [...]) >[...] Malte [1] Moronic Mail Autoresponders (A FAQ From Hell): http://www.ling.helsinki.fi/users/reriksso/mail/autoresponder-faq.html -- --- Coding is art. -- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
[SAtalk] spamd can't find... I thought I'd installed razor correctly, but I am seeing the following in my logs. Can anyone give me a hitn? Sep 8 06:46:45 omega spamd[6514]: razor2 check skipped: No such file or directory Can't locate object method "new" via package "Net::DNS::Resolver" (perhaps you forgot to load "Net::DNS::Resolver"?) at (eval 31) line 1, <STDIN> line 114. ^I...propagated at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/Mail/SpamAssassin/Dns.pm line 392, <STDIN> line 114. -- Robin Lynn Frank Paradigm-Omega, LLC ================================== The only certainty about documentation is that whoever wrote it "might" have understood it. The rest of us may not be so lucky. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
[SAtalk] Huh? Despite my lack of confidence to upgrade to 2.41 using the tarball instead of cpan, it worked. With the help of others, got razor working. I did however notice something in my logs which happened twice but hasn't recurred. Sep 8 16:10:11 omega spamd[14014]: razor2 check skipped: Permission denied Can't call method "log" on unblessed reference at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/Razor2/Client/Agent.pm line 211, <STDIN> line 66. -- Robin Lynn Frank Paradigm-Omega, LLC ================================== The only certainty about documentation is that whoever wrote it "might" have understood it. The rest of us may not be so lucky. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
Re: [SAdev] Re: [SACVS] CVS: spamassassin/rules 60_whitelist.cf,1.29,1.30 On Monday 09 September 2002 11:13 CET Matt Sergeant wrote: > Malte S. Stretz wrote: > >[...] > > So I'd vote for a complete removal of 60_whitelists.cf and a page > > http://spamassassin.org/tests/whitelists.html where we list common > > whitelist entries instead. > > I would happily agree to that. > > Though maybe it should be a wiki... ;-) Just imagine what Ronnie Scelson would do to a wiki shudder M -- --- Coding is art. -- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel	0
[SAdev] [Bug 486] SpamAssassin causes zombies (network tests, http://www.hughes-family.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=486 ------- Additional Comments From larry@5points.net 2002-09-10 08:45 ------- Dan, To answer your question to my post (which maybe should be a seperate bug?) I'm using Spamassassin version 2.30 ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel	0
Re: [SAtalk] base64 decode problem? >>>>> "CW" == Carlo Wood <carlo@alinoe.com> writes: CW> to manually decode the base64 part. CW> Can someone please tell me how to do that? google: base64 decode the first three results look useful. ------------------------------------------------------- In remembrance www.osdn.com/911/ _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
Re: [SAdev] 2.42 to come ? On Wednesday 11 September 2002 16:19 CET Justin Mason wrote: > Malte S. Stretz said: >[...] > > I think we should even add new (GA'd) rules to 2.4x (and/or remove old > > ones) and tag a new 2.50 only if we have a bunch of features worth a > > "dangerous" big update. I'd say: Yes, you should expect 2.42 and also > > 2.43+ (but update to 2.41 now). > > I would think adding new rules to, or removing broken rules from, 2.4x > would require some discussion first. but new GA'd scores are definitely > worth putting in, as the ones there are too wild. I think my mail wasn't very clear ;-) My point was that we should continue releasing new rules and removing broken ones (all based on discussions on this list of course) in the 2.4 branch instead of creating a new 2.5 branch everytime we have a bunch of new rules. A new branch should be openend only if (big) new features are introduced (eg. Bayes) or the interface has changed (spam_level_char=x). As the rules are under fluent development, the user has to update quite regularly. But currently he couldn't be shure if the new release will break anything in his setup (like -F going away). So if we say "the branches are stable to the outside and just improved under the surface but you have to watch out when you update to a new minor version number", users and sysadmins could be less reluctant to update. All just IMHO :o) Malte P.S.: I'll be away from my box and my mail account for one week, starting tomorrow. So happy coding for the next week :-) -- --- Coding is art. --	0
[SAtalk] Reject, Blackhole, or Fake No-User? This is not directly SpamAssassin related, but more of a general dealing-with-SPAM issue. What is the best way to deal with SPAM during the SMTP transaction? There are domains and addresses that I know are SPAM at the 'MAIL FROM' and can deal with at the SMTP level. I have been, and I think most people, respond with a 5.7.1 code, a "permanent" error. That pretty much means, "Don't bother to try from that address again, you'll get the same error." People often add cathartic messages to accompany the 550 like, "Spammers must die." But this might not be the best way to go. You are telling the spammers that you are on to them. This may cause them to try other methods to get around your blocks. Is it perhaps better to blackhole the mail? That is, act like everything is OK during the SMTP transaction, but then just drop the mail into the bitbucket. (This is generally how SpamAssassin works since almost everyone uses it after the SMTP transaction has completed successfully.) Spammer thinks everything is going fine and has no reason to try new methods. Then there is a third possibility. Instead of returning a 550 code indicating you're on to the spammer, fake a 5.1.1 response which is saying "mailbox does not exist." This would be in the hopes that some spammers out there actually remove names reported as non-existent from their lists. I know, a slim hope, but even if only a few do, it can lower the incidence. So, what are the arguments for each? Do spammers even look at _any_ of the bounce messages they get? The volume of bounces must be huge. Personally, I'm starting to think blackholes are the way to go... But sending back that "Spammer die, die, die," or stock "Access DEE-NIED!" (my ephasis added) message can be pretty satisfying. ;) -- Crist J. Clark \| cjclark@alum.mit.edu \| cjclark@jhu.edu http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ \| cjc@freebsd.org ------------------------------------------------------- In remembrance www.osdn.com/911/ _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
Re: [SAtalk] Yeah right... If spamassassin was looking through th Robert Strickler said: > Looks like we need an identity stamp in the X-Spam headers so that SA only > accepts headers from authorized sources. Well, SpamAssassin will just ignore any old X-Spam-whatever headers it finds, so that cannot be used to get around the filter. --j. ------------------------------------------------------- In remembrance www.osdn.com/911/ _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
Re: [SAtalk] Re: [SAdev] File::Spec and v2.41 On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Stephane Lentz wrote: > => I faced a similar problem with the FreeBSD when trying to > install SpamAssassin through the ports on my fresh FreeBSD 4.6.2. > I had to define PERL5LIB with some given order of directories > so that the latest File::Spec module get used. Good to hear it's not just me. Mind telling me how you set PERL5LIB specificly? I've tried a few things (setenv in the shell, as well as $PERL5LIB == ...inside the Makefile.PL, even on the perl command line..) with no success. thanks. ..david --- david raistrick drais@atlasta.net http://www.expita.com/nomime.html ------------------------------------------------------- In remembrance www.osdn.com/911/ _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
RE: [SAtalk] Debianized Packages for SA 2.3+ I successfully installed spamassassin & razor to run system wide on my Debian Woody server. Briefly I apt-get installed spamassassin razor and libmilter-dev, downloaded spamass-milter-0.1.2.tar.gz from http://www.milter.org, ungzipped and untarred the file into /etc/mail, followed the directions in /etc/mail/spamass-milter-0.1.2/README to compile the milter, install the rc scripts, and edit and update sendmail.mc changed /etc/default/spamassassin to set spamassassin to daemon mode. verified that spamassassin was running by tailing /var/log/mail.log Woody/stable has SA 2.20 Woody/unstable has SA 2.41 I'm running the stable source live right now and it is working very well. If you want unstable change /etc/apt/sources.list, substituting "unstable" for "stable", Run apt-get update Install the unstable versions Change /etc/apt/sources.list Run apt-get update Quentin Krengel Krengel Technology Inc -----Original Message----- From: spamassassin-talk-admin@example.sourceforge.net [mailto:spamassassin-talk-admin@lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of Tanniel Simonian Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 4:15 PM To: spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net Subject: [SAtalk] Debianized Packages for SA 2.3+ Im currently using woody. Is there a debianized package for SA on Woody, or at least somewhere I can download from? Its been soo long that I haven't compiled stuff, that Im sort of shy to try again. =) -- Tanniel Simonian Programmer / Analyst III UCR Libraries http://libsys.ucr.edu 909 787 2832 ------------------------------------------------------- In remembrance www.osdn.com/911/ _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk ------------------------------------------------------- In remembrance www.osdn.com/911/ _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
Re: [SAtalk] Re: [SAdev] File::Spec and v2.41 On Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 01:46:19PM -0700, David Raistrick wrote: > On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Stephane Lentz wrote: > > > => I faced a similar problem with the FreeBSD when trying to > > install SpamAssassin through the ports on my fresh FreeBSD 4.6.2. > > I had to define PERL5LIB with some given order of directories > > so that the latest File::Spec module get used. > > Good to hear it's not just me. Mind telling me how you set PERL5LIB > specificly? I've tried a few things (setenv in the shell, as well as > $PERL5LIB == ...inside the Makefile.PL, even on the perl command > line..) with no success. > - Presuming your run Bash : Note the directory lists # perl -e 'map { print "$_\n" } @INC' Then set up the Shell variable PERL5LIB variable (and put it in some .bashrc for future use) # export PERL5LIB="directory1:directory2:directory3:directory4" Then try to install the software PERL5LIB is explained perlrun(1) : do # man perlrun for more information Regards, SL/ --- Stephane Lentz / Alcanet International - Internet Services ------------------------------------------------------- In remembrance www.osdn.com/911/ _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
[SAtalk] Is DCC for real? So far today, I've found eff.org and mandrakesoft.com in DCC. My confidence in DCC is beginning to drop. -- Robin Lynn Frank Paradigm-Omega, LLC ================================== No electrons were harmed in the sending of this message. However, two neutrons and a proton complained about the noise. ------------------------------------------------------- In remembrance www.osdn.com/911/ _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
Re: [SAtalk] Badly Formatted Spam Report in HTML spam On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Vince Puzzella wrote: > Ever since I set defang_mime 0 all spam that contains HTML has a badly > formatted report. I think/realize it's because the report should be in > HTML. Is there anyway to get Spamassassin to add an HTML report in > cases where it is required (defang_mime 0)? Funny, I was in the middle of composing the same message when I saw yours. It would be nice if it sees a header like: Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 and defang_mime is 0, it could wrap the report with <pre></pre> for ease of reading? And the same sort of problem seems to occur with base64 encoded messages. The report is placed inside of the mime boundary: ------=_NextPart_000_00B7_31E64A2B.B8441E37 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Should this not go above (probably in it's own mime section,) to make sure that the attachments don't get destroyed? Ian ------------------------------------------- Ian White email: iwhite@victoria.tc.ca ------------------------------------------------------- In remembrance www.osdn.com/911/ _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
[SAtalk] Re: Spamassassin-talk digest, Vol 1 #659 - 41 msgs On 9/11/2002 at 10:01 AM spamassassin-talk-request@lists.sourceforge.net spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net wrote: >Message: 15 >From: Vivek Khera <khera@kcilink.com> >Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:06:55 -0400 >To: spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net >Subject: Re: [SAtalk] Calypso email = ratware? > >>>>>> "JM" == Justin Mason <jm@jmason.org> writes: > >JM> Now all we need to do is get all the SpamAssassin users out there to >JM> upgrade... > >Considering that the rules need to adapt to the changing look and feel >of spam vs. non-spam, does it make sense to have SA automatically >issue a notice when it is, say 9 months old, recommending that the >user/operator check for updated rules? > >Sort of like a nag-ware feature, but in self-defense for the user, not >the vendor ;-) > >-- >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >Vivek Khera, Ph.D. Khera Communications, Inc. >Internet: khera@kciLink.com Rockville, MD +1-240-453-8497 >AIM: vivekkhera Y!: vivek_khera http://www.khera.org/~vivek/ better yet would be a built-in server check on a periodic basis, even daily, looking for the existence of an update, and if found prompt the system admin to upgrade the server. With the ever changing face of spam, this would probably be a big benefit to SA users and help keep everyone up to date. We have not done this with too many of the apps we sell on www.RoseCitySoftware.com strictly because of joe-average-user concerns about spyware and "phoning home", but in cases where the app needs to access the internet anyhow, we have done it with great success and minimal concern by our users. ---- Joseph Burke President/CEO InfiniSource, Inc. <jburke@infinisource.com> ------------------------------------------------------- In remembrance www.osdn.com/911/ _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
Re: [SAtalk] Bayesian and bogofilter >Anyway I'm making good progress and my implementation works reasonably >well. It now seems blindingly clear that we want a tightly-integrated >implementation of Naive Bayes spam/nonspam classification. There are >still some things about how to do this right inside SA that I still am >figuring out. > >Dan This is very good news! Will this allow for individual spam word file preferences when spamassassin is running on a mailserver for multiple users? This would be an outstanding addition if it can be done. Thanks much for a great project. -- Regards, Eric Mings Ph.D. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
Re: [SAtalk] Reject, Blackhole, or Fake No-User Op 12-09-2002 00:35 schreef Ellen Clary (ellen@dgi.com): >> Then there is a third possibility. Instead of returning a 550 code >> indicating you're on to the spammer, fake a 5.1.1 response which is >> saying "mailbox does not exist." This would be in the hopes that some >> spammers out there actually remove names reported as non-existent from >> their lists. I know, a slim hope, but even if only a few do, it can >> lower the incidence. > > They don't, I can guarantee that. Quite a few spamtraps nowadays > operate by 5nn'ing for 6 months in the hope of getting legit mailers > to remove bouncing addrs from lists; then after 6 months, they just > spamtrap all incoming mail to those addrs. (unfortunately a lot of > legit mailers don't bother cleaning their lists either.) Most spammers don't check reply codes at all, they just send out as many mails as their system will hold without checking for any confirmation. A trick to lower spam reception was dicussed on the postfix mailing list some time ago: answer all incoming mail with a 4xx temporary error code when it is offered the first time, and accept it the second time. Apparently most mass-emailers don't even try to deliver a second time. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
RE: [SAtalk] 2.41/2.50 spamd/spamc problem Heh. RTFM.. Sorry about that. Yep, that did the trick. Thanks for the help! Regards, Paul Fries paul@cwie.net -----Original Message----- From: spamassassin-talk-admin@example.sourceforge.net [mailto:spamassassin-talk-admin@lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of Vince Puzzella Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 11:23 AM To: Paul Fries; spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [SAtalk] 2.41/2.50 spamd/spamc problem defang_mime 0 -----Original Message----- From: Paul Fries [mailto:paul@cwie.net] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 2:12 PM To: spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net Subject: [SAtalk] 2.41/2.50 spamd/spamc problem I noticed that after upgrading to 2.41 (or 2.50) from 2.31, the -F option was removed from spamd. This is fine because all of the HTML format mail seems to arrive properly. However, messages that get tagged as Spam arrive as just html source. Is there any way around this? I would like all HTML/RTF messages to retain their formatting even if they are flagged as spam. I would accomplish this on 2.31 by using the "-F 0" flag when starting spamd. Thanks! Regards, Paul Fries paul@cwie.net CWIE LLC ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
[SAtalk] Spamassassin with Pyzor This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C25B03.83C4FDB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I installed Spamassassin 2.41 with Razor V2 the other day and it has = been working great. I decided to add Pyzor last night and I got that = installed successfully (I think, no errors). I am using spamd and I see = where it periodically spawns off a pyzor process; however nothing has = been detected as spam by Pyzor under Spamassassin. It has been running = for almost half a day now on a 5,000 user mail server - so to me the = odds of something being caught by it should be high. I run spamd as = follows: spamd -d -H and all my users home directories have a .pyzor directory with the = server listed under it. I setup a test procmail recipe that just invokes pyzor check and not = spamc to see if in fact pyzor alone catches any spam - I just set this = up so no results yet. Here is what I get when I check connectivity to = the pyzor server: pyzor -d ping sending: 'User: anonymous\nTime: 1031921041\nSig: = 161c547ac6248589910f97b1b5cd37e6dffc8eaf\n\nOp: ping\nThread: 14733\nPV: = 2.0\n\n' received: 'Thread: 14733\nCode: 200\nDiag: OK\nPV: 2.0\n\n' 167.206.208.233:24442 (200, 'OK') Any help/examples would be appreciated. Thanks! BTW, keep up the great = work Spamassassin team! Nick --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.386 / Virus Database: 218 - Release Date: 9/9/2002 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C25B03.83C4FDB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I installed Spamassassin 2.41 with = Razor V2=20 the other day and it has been working great. I decided to add Pyzor last = night=20 and I got that installed successfully (I think, no errors). I am using = spamd and=20 I see where it periodically spawns off a pyzor process; however nothing = has been=20 detected as spam by Pyzor under Spamassassin. It has been running for = almost=20 half a day now on a 5,000 user mail server - so to me the odds of = something=20 being caught by it should be high. I run spamd as follows:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>spamd -d -H</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and all my users home directories have = a .pyzor=20 directory with the server listed under it.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I setup a test procmail recipe that = just invokes=20 pyzor check and not spamc to see if in fact pyzor alone catches any spam = -=20  I just set this up so no results yet. Here is what I get when I = check=20 connectivity to the pyzor server:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> pyzor -d ping<BR>sending: 'User:=20 anonymous\nTime: 1031921041\nSig:=20 161c547ac6248589910f97b1b5cd37e6dffc8eaf\n\nOp: ping\nThread: 14733\nPV: = 2.0\n\n'<BR>received: 'Thread: 14733\nCode: 200\nDiag: OK\nPV:=20 2.0\n\n'<BR>167.206.208.233:24442   (200, 'OK')</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Any help/examples would be appreciated. = Thanks!=20 BTW, keep up the great work Spamassassin team!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Nick</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><BR>---<BR>Outgoing mail is certified = Virus=20 Free.<BR>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (<A=20 href=3D"http://www.grisoft.com">http://www.grisoft.com</A>).<BR>Version: = 6.0.386 /=20 Virus Database: 218 - Release Date: 9/9/2002</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C25B03.83C4FDB0-- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
Re: [SAtalk] Getting yourself removed from spam lists --7ZAtKRhVyVSsbBD2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Sep 13, 2002 at 03:21:08PM +0200, carlo@alinoe.com wrote: > So... it seems to me that they DO clean up > their lists, but only when a spam fails to > deliver - or can't they detect that? >=20 > What do spammers do with email addresses in > their database that are undeliverable for a > few years? Do they still continue to spam > them? Well, here's my semi-coherent rant for the moment. ;) I have >3100 spamtraps on my machine (you can multiply that by each domain if you really want to). The vast majority (all but, say, 10) have never ever existed. Yet, spammers would semi-continuously connect, try to deliver mail to 40 of them, disconnect, connect again, try delivering to 40 more... over and over, they kept getting "User unknown" until I got around to making them spamtraps. So my evidence would suggest that it depends who you're dealing with. :) If your "business" is to sell address lists to people who would then spam, it's in your best interest to never clean your list. Therefore you can say "10 million email addresses" and not technically be lying, even if the majority of them don't work. If you're a spammer, you'd want to know who doesn't actually exist, but then again you don't really care: you probably want to relay through someone so it's harder to trace you, if you could you'd send to every email address available, you don't want to setup a valid bounce address because again it's easy to trace you. So I would say this, if you technically spam people but actually think you're running a legit service, you probably really do have a way of opting out (even though the user didn't opt in) and you probably don't relay, and you probably pay attention to bounces. Everyone else doesn't really care. That's my view anyway. :) --=20 Randomly Generated Tagline: "Now you can do that thing with your hands... It's ok." - Prof. Farr --7ZAtKRhVyVSsbBD2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9gfANAuOQUeWAs2MRAvNfAJ9oyV5MxrnHSKUu3yliMzc9hYcGFACeK11X NOiPnUCgVS0uzsTxM3iY8vs= =b/Y6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7ZAtKRhVyVSsbBD2-- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
RE: [SAtalk] Getting yourself removed from spam lists > -----Original Message----- > From: carlo@alinoe.com [mailto:carlo@alinoe.com] > Sent: 13 September 2002 14:21 > To: spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net > Subject: [SAtalk] Getting yourself removed from spam lists > > I get the feeling that the spammers never > remove emails from their lists. Correct... > On the other hand, that doesn't make sense: > wouldn't they get worried about their millions > of spams being wasted? Don't they WANT some > prove that they indeed reach people somehow? No, they only have to prove that they send several million emails to 'potential clients' to get their money. I don't think they even care much about bounces. They're con-artists, why should they care about proving they actually reached people? > So... it seems to me that they DO clean up > their lists, but only when a spam fails to > deliver - or can't they detect that? Most of the time the bounce goes to some poor soul who has nothing to do with the spammer. > What do spammers do with email addresses in > their database that are undeliverable for a > few years? Do they still continue to spam > them? Yes. Tony ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
Re: [SAtalk] Getting yourself removed from spam lists On Fri, 13 Sep 2002 the voices made carlo@alinoe.com write: > What do spammers do with email addresses in > their database that are undeliverable for a > few years? Do they still continue to spam > them? Yes. /Tony -- # Per scientiam ad libertatem! // Through knowledge towards freedom! # # Genom kunskap mot frihet! == (c) 1999-2002 tony@svanstrom.com == # perl -e'print$_{$_} for sort%_=`lynx -dump svanstrom.com/t`' ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
[SAtalk] OT: DNS MX Record Clarification Please This may be a little off topic but thought people here would have a better response to this elsewhere. I have setup two MX records (mail and bmail) for my mail server. The one I gave a 10 (bmail) the other a 20 (mail). bmail(10) I gave a 10 because I want all mail to go through this server to be scanned for SPAM and viruses and then relayed to the mail(20) server for delivery. As I understand it, DNS A records are used in a rotating fashion for load balancing, but DNS MX records are used in order or prority, meaning the 10 before the 20 and only 20 if the 10 isn't available. But only some of the mail is actually being scanned which leads me to believe that not all of the mail is actually hitting that box and the 10 never goes down. Why? Have I got something confused here? Thanks, V ------- End of Forwarded Message ------- -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner at comp-wiz.com, and is believed to be clean. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
Re: [SAtalk] OT: DNS MX Record Clarification Please --Fnm8lRGFTVS/3GuM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Sep 13, 2002 at 01:33:43PM -0500, vernon wrote: > As I understand it, DNS A records are used in a rotating fashion for load > balancing, but DNS MX records are used in order or prority, meaning the 10 > before the 20 and only 20 if the 10 isn't available. That's the theory, yes. > But only some of the mail is actually being scanned which leads me to > believe that not all of the mail is actually hitting that box and the 10 > never goes down. Why? Have I got something confused here? No, but either due to some technical glitch, or downright just wanting to do so, people send to the secondary. It's a semi-usual spammer trick actually to bypass the main server and send directly to a secondary since it will either have less filtering, or be "trusted", or ... MX records in the mail world are all explained in RFC 2821, section 5: [...] Multiple MX records contain a preference indication that MUST be used in sorting (see below). Lower numbers are more preferred than higher ones. If there are multiple destinations with the same preference and there is no clear reason to favor one (e.g., by recognition of an easily-reached address), then the sender-SMTP MUST randomize them to spread the load across multiple mail exchangers for a specific organization. [...] If it determines that it should relay the message without rewriting the address, it MUST sort the MX records to determine candidates for delivery. The records are first ordered by preference, with the lowest-numbered records being most preferred. The relay host MUST then inspect the list for any of the names or addresses by which it might be known in mail transactions. If a matching record is found, all records at that preference level and higher-numbered ones MUST be discarded from consideration. If there are no records left at that point, it is an error condition, and the message MUST be returned as undeliverable. If records do remain, they SHOULD be tried, best preference first, as described above. --=20 Randomly Generated Tagline: "Now let's say I like sheep... And now let's say I take the sheep to a=20 Christmas party..." - Bob Golub --Fnm8lRGFTVS/3GuM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9gjX9AuOQUeWAs2MRAg7PAJ42kO68knZx76oQbrZPMGdg/JbJHACfQvlX O/Utl8FY01aS+/e3VNE9WWM= =O6kU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Fnm8lRGFTVS/3GuM-- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
Re: [SAtalk] spamc -c problems on 2.41? --Hlh2aiwFLCZwGcpw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 01:47:27PM -0700, Jeremy Kusnetz wrote: > When running: > spamc -c < sample-spam.txt > I get: 18.9/6.0 Which looks correct, BUT > doing an echo $?, returns a 0 instead of 1. Can you submit this to bugzilla? It definately is a bug, I mean I do a packet trace and here's what I get with one of my spams: [the request] 0040 0b 8e 43 48 45 43 4b 20 53 50 41 4d 43 2f 31 2e ..CHECK SPAMC/1. 0050 32 0d 0a 55 73 65 72 3a 20 66 65 6c 69 63 69 74 2..User: felicit 0060 79 0d 0a 43 6f 6e 74 65 6e 74 2d 6c 65 6e 67 74 y..Content-lengt 0070 68 3a 20 38 33 34 39 0d 0a 0d 0a h: 8349.... [the spam, removed for brevity] [the response] 0040 0b 8f 53 50 41 4d 44 2f 31 2e 31 20 30 20 45 58 ..SPAMD/1.1 0 EX 0050 5f 4f 4b 0d 0a 53 70 61 6d 3a 20 46 61 6c 73 65 _OK..Spam: False 0060 20 3b 20 34 36 2e 35 20 2f 20 35 2e 30 0d 0a 0d ; 46.5 / 5.0... So spamd is definately returning false incorrectly. --=20 Randomly Generated Tagline: ?pu gnikcab yb naem uoy tahw siht sI --Hlh2aiwFLCZwGcpw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9gjgnAuOQUeWAs2MRAgoCAKDJGoZwXy7vwZuQIRaFfYJ+haWtbQCg9T0V IW7ty+Y1BTybFpquY1ifZPc= =eL/8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Hlh2aiwFLCZwGcpw-- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
Re: [SAtalk] OT: DNS MX Record Clarification Please On Fri, 2002-09-13 at 14:33, vernon wrote: > > But only some of the mail is actually being scanned which leads me to > believe that not all of the mail is actually hitting that box and the 10 > never goes down. Why? Have I got something confused here? > Sending mail directly to a backup mail server in the hopes that it has less stringent spam scanning is a common spammer trick. -- Jason Kohles jkohles@redhat.com Senior Engineer Red Hat Professional Consulting ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
Re: [SAtalk] Still confused about spamd/c --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Sep 14, 2002 at 04:27:47PM +0100, Justin Mason wrote: > It's probably that razor needs to be "razor-register"'d for each user. > Try creating a world-writable "home dir" for Razor and DCC et al to store > their files in; that way spamd will share the razor server info etc. > between all users. uh, no, you don't want to make it world-writable. world-readable. > Then use "spamd -H /path/to/world/writeable/dir" . Just remember that the .razor and whatever DCC uses needs to be world-readable as well. The solution is then to make a world-writable log file for at least Razor. I like symlinking /dev/null myself. > IMO this is more efficient than using "spamd -H", which will use each > user's own home dir for this data, but it's a matter of opinion ;) efficient? probably (depends on the user base), but it also takes the control away from the user (which may or may not be a good thing, depending again on the user base...) --=20 Randomly Generated Tagline: "What's funny? I'd like to know. Send me some E-Mail." - Prof. Farr --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9g2GBAuOQUeWAs2MRAlljAKC+83f/mNoINBjoxOWBaNk4NgWsVQCg3qzO v0EQ6XGB3ufLLudAUAADtYA= =l7M5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q-- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
[SAdev] spamc load balancing to multiple spamd I have searched the list but did not find any info on this. How do I setup multiple spamd machines so that spamc load balances - or anything similar? Duane. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel	0
Re: [SAtalk] Getting yourself removed from spam lists On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, Tony L. Svanstrom mused: > On Fri, 13 Sep 2002 the voices made carlo@alinoe.com write: > >> What do spammers do with email addresses in >> their database that are undeliverable for a >> few years? Do they still continue to spam >> them? > > Yes. So much so that I get thousands of bounces per day on this machine aimed at what are plainly message-ids... -- `Let's have a round of applause for those daring young men and their flying spellcheckers.' --- Meg Worley ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
[SAtalk] RBL timed oiut and Spam Assassin killed I'm getting these messages and I'm not sure what they mean. Can anyone clear this up for me? Thanks. Sep 15 11:45:09 linux mailscanner[6128]: RBL Check ORDB-RBL timed out and was killed, consecutive failure 3 of 7 Sep 15 11:45:24 linux mailscanner[6128]: SpamAssassin timed out and was killed -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner at comp-wiz.com, and is believed to be clean. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
Re: [SAdev] Suggestion - 2 levels of Spam Status On Sun, 15 Sep 2002 the voices made Marc Perkel write: > Right now we have one spam status flag indicating that a message is or > is not spam. The idea being that the end user perhaps make a rule that > would move the spam flagged messages into a spam folder and thus gain > some time by presorting messages into to piles. If you (people) don't know enough to filter on the actual score they've got the "stars", which will give them more than enough levers, if they want it. /Tony -- # Per scientiam ad libertatem! // Through knowledge towards freedom! # # Genom kunskap mot frihet! == (c) 1999-2002 tony@svanstrom.com == # perl -e'print$_{$_} for sort%_=`lynx -dump svanstrom.com/t`' ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel	0
Re: [SAtalk] RBL timed oiut and Spam Assassin killed On Sun, 15 Sep 2002, Vernon Webb wrote: > I'm getting these messages and I'm not sure what they mean. Can anyone clear > this up for me? Thanks. > > Sep 15 11:45:09 linux mailscanner[6128]: RBL Check ORDB-RBL timed out and > was killed, consecutive failure 3 of 7 > Sep 15 11:45:24 linux mailscanner[6128]: SpamAssassin timed out and was > killed Your running mailscanner and the timeout used got to check ORDB-RBL is too low and your timing out. mailscanner will count up to seven timeouts and then automatically disable these checks until it restarts itself (within 4 hours). -- Gerry "The lyfe so short, the craft so long to learne" Chaucer ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
Re: [SAdev] Suggestion - 2 levels of Spam Status Tony L. Svanstrom wrote: >On Sun, 15 Sep 2002 the voices made Marc Perkel write: > >>Right now we have one spam status flag indicating that a message is or >>is not spam. The idea being that the end user perhaps make a rule that >>would move the spam flagged messages into a spam folder and thus gain >>some time by presorting messages into to piles. >> > > If you (people) don't know enough to filter on the actual score they've got >the "stars", which will give them more than enough levers, if they want it. > > > /Tony > Sure - we developers know that - but what I'm talking about is making it easier for END USERS to figure out. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel	0
[Razor-users] Performance Has anyone noticed a drop in razor-check performance over the past week? I disabled the razorchecks in Spamassassin and my queues start to clean out again. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users	0
[SAtalk] Running SA as a user app? Can anybody point me to a project/FAQ similar to this:? 1. Perl script fetches POP mail from a distant server 2. mail is fed to SA, running as a standalone module in my user account 3. SA spits out results back to perl script. 4. Script deletes offending mail. I don't have root access. I don't need a MTA. =0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0 Chris Fortune Fortune's Web Computer Services Nelson, BC, Canada V1L 2W3 ph#: 250 505-5012 email: cfortune@telus.net website: http://cfortune.kics.bc.ca/ =0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0 ------------------------------------------------------- Sponsored by: AMD - Your access to the experts on Hammer Technology! Open Source & Linux Developers, register now for the AMD Developer Symposium. Code: EX8664 http://www.developwithamd.com/developerlab _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
Re: [SAdev] testing with less rules jm@jmason.org (Justin Mason) writes: >>> DATE_IN_PAST_48_96 >>> SPAM_PHRASE_00_01 >>> SPAM_PHRASE_01_02 >>> SPAM_PHRASE_02_03 >>> SPAM_PHRASE_03_05 >>> SPAM_PHRASE_05_08 > I was thinking of just removing those particular rules, but keeping the > other entries in the range, since they're proving too "noisy" to be > effective. But I'd be willing to keep those ones in, all the same. What > do you think? Matt/Craig, thoughts? I think I could handle commenting out the lowest SPAM_PHRASE_XX_YY scores. If the GA could handle this sort of thing so they'd automatically be zeroed, I'd feel better since the ranges could change next time the phrase list is regenerated or the algorithm tweaked. I think we need to understand why DATE_IN_PAST_48_96 is so low before we remove it. The two rules on either side perform quite well. >> And here are the rules that seem like they should be better or should >> be recoverable: >>> FROM_MISSING >>> GAPPY_TEXT >>> INVALID_MSGID >>> MIME_NULL_BLOCK >>> SUBJ_MISSING > well, I don't like SUBJ_MISSING, I reckon there's a world of mails from > cron jobs (e.g.) which hit it. Okay, drop SUBJ_MISSING. > But, yes, the others for sure should be recoverable, and I'm sure there's > more. Probably a few, those seemed like the best prospects to me. > BTW do you agree with the proposed methodology (ie. remove the rules and > bugzilla each one?) I only want a bugzilla ticket for each one if people are okay with quick WONTFIX closes on the ones deemed unworthy of recovery. If you could put the stats for each rule in the ticket somehow (should be automatable with email at the very least), it would help. Dan	0
Re: [SAdev] testing with less rules Justin Mason <jm@jmason.org> writes: > hmm. also I think I've found some cases where it's hitting on fetchmail > Received hdrs. that's bad. so it could be fixed.... fetchmail adds Received headers? That seems wrong. I'll open a bug to investigate. Can you attach some examples? > yeah, will do -- somehow. pity the bugzilla doesn't allow email > submissions... Agreed. At least you can add information with email. - Dan	0
Re: [SAtalk] Can someone please tell me how to get an answer from On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Justin Mason wrote: > Simon Matthews said: > > > Procmail 3.21 is reliable as long as none of the recipies fails. I was > > hoping to resolve the triplets.txt problem and thus avoid the procmail > > "^rom" problem. > > I doubt it's related, actually -- the "triplets" stuff is in a totally > unrelated area of code. The procmail bug happens when the filter program does something that procmail doesn't expect. Exactly what that something is, hasn't been confirmed by anyone on the procmail list. It might be exiting with a nonzero status, or it might be producing output on the standard error, or it might be something else entirely. So Simon is attempting to get SA to run flawlessly, because then it can't tickle the procmail bug. This isn't a fix, it's a band-aid, but because he apparently doesn't have the option of installing a newer procmail ...	0
Re: [SAdev] Re: [SAtalk] SpamAssassin and unconfirmed.dsbl.org jm@jmason.org (Justin Mason) writes: > Folks who've been hacking on the DNSBLs: would it be worthwhile commenting > this in HEAD, seeing as it only gets .77 anyway? > > Sounds like the (a) broken server and (b) low hitrate combine to make it > not-so-useful IMO. No, in my opinion, it's purely a bug in SA (or the libraries we use, which is the same thing) that we don't handle outages of network services better. The rule is useful and it does help reduce spam, we should keep it. I have a feeling the DNSBL rules will cluster a bit more heavily around the 1.0 to 2.0 range once we start using the new GA on them. Also, 0.77 was a slightly conservative number. Since I didn't have real-time data, I typically used the lower or median number of different periods (most recent month, two months, six months), depending on the trend of the period data (better performance for recent messages -> favor recent scores, worse performance for recent messages -> favor lowest scores, never pick the highest number unless the rule was very accurate and the highest number was for the most recent data). Dan	0
Re: [SAtalk] checking out Razor2 (and SA 2.41) install - Net::DNS:Resolver problem? Gary Funck said: > I thought the ">> /perllocal.pod" line looked odd. Is it normal to write > documentation into the root directory? (<g>). Is there some Make parameter, o > r > environment variable that should've been set when I ran "make"? an issue for Razor folks I think. > It seems that by registering that I avoided the error path noted in my previo > us > e-mail where DNS::Net::Resolver was called, but does not exist in my Perl > hierarchy. Here's the new output from SA ans Razor2: looks good. > Question: if we use spamassassin on a per-user basis, invoked from procmailrc > , > will each user have to run "razor-admin -register" first? Is there way to > register with Razor just once per system? If you use spamd with the -H option and provide a shared directory for the razor config files to be written to. RTFM for more details... --j.	0
Re: [SAdev] phew! Matt Kettler said: > Ok, first, the important stuff. Happy birthday Justin (a lil late, but > oh well) cheers! > a 13% miss ratio on the spam corpus at 5.0 seems awfully high, although > that nice low FP percentage is quite nice, as is the narrow-in of average > FP/FN scores compared to 2.40. As Dan said -- it's a hard corpus, made harder without the spamtrap data. Also -- and this is an important point -- those measurements can't be directly compared, because I changed the methodology. In 2.40 the scores were evolved on the entire corpus, then evaluated using that corpus; ie. there was no "blind" testing, and the scores could overfit and still provide good statistics. In 2.42, they're evaluated "blind", on a totally unseen set of messages, so those figures would be a lot more accurate for real-world use. --j.	0
[SAtalk] spamc and DCC This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C25F11.18554780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi -=20 I upgraded to 2.40 (now 2.41) last week and the messages which are = definitely in the DCC database aren't being marked as such by = spamassassin when connected to via spamc. Interestingly it is detected = when running spamassassin -t < sample-spam.txt (using the same userid = incidentally). Is this a known "feature" of spamc under 2.4x or is there = anything obvious that I am not implementing correctly? Note that as I = implied above this used to work under 2.3x of spamassassin and = spamd/spamc Regards Ray Gardener Sheffield Hallam University UK ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C25F11.18554780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2719.2200" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi - </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I upgraded to 2.40 (now 2.41) last = week and=20 the messages which are definitely in the DCC database aren't being = marked=20 as such by spamassassin when connected to via spamc. Interestingly it is = detected when running spamassassin -t < sample-spam.txt (using the = same=20 userid incidentally). Is this a known "feature" of spamc under 2.4x or = is there=20 anything obvious that I am not implementing correctly? Note that as I = implied=20 above this used to work under 2.3x of spamassassin and = spamd/spamc</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Regards</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ray Gardener</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sheffield Hallam = University</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>UK</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C25F11.18554780-- ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: AMD - Your access to the experts on Hammer Technology! Open Source & Linux Developers, register now for the AMD Developer Symposium. Code: EX8664 http://www.developwithamd.com/developerlab _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
Re: [SAtalk] Ignore System Messages - How? >>>>> "v" == vernon <vernon@b2unow.com> writes: v> Some of my "Security Violations" and "Unusual System Events" are being v> tagged as SPAM by SpamAssassin. How do I get SA to ignore these messages? whitelists. you really have to white list any message source that discusses or is used to report spam, else the reports will be marked as spam, given that they have the spam indicators in them, usually... This is the only whitelisting I use. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
RE: [SAdev] phew! > Yes, I think some others, (mgm?) have spamtrap data in there too. > My corpus is about 50% spamtrap spam at any given time. Let me know if I should leave that out next time, I do keep it separate. My spamtraps are pretty clean of viruses and bounce messages most of the time. -- Michael Moncur mgm at starlingtech.com http://www.starlingtech.com/ "Lack of money is no obstacle. Lack of an idea is an obstacle." --Ken Hakuta	0
Re: [SAtalk] dependencies / pre-requisites for installation in > > Would someone please enlighten me on dependencies / pre-requisites > > for installation in FreeBSD. The 'official' documentation isn't particularly > > explicit about this stuff .... eg 'procmail' is mentioned but without saying > > whether or not its essential, & no info provided on whether GNUmake is > > required or if standard BSD 'make' is OK. > > I thought we were quite good about it, in the README file! > > procmail is essential if you're using (a) SpamAssassin for local > delivery, (b) not using a milter, and (c) not using a Mail::Audit > script instead. So probably yes. > > BSD make is OK, if Perl generally uses it to build Perl modules. > SpamAssassin is just anotehr Perl module in that respect. > Back to this stuff again ..... searched high & low but definitely nothing on this system even vaguely resembling a README file for spamassassin. I have procmail installed but having major problems comprehending the setup .... would appreciate info on any 'simple english' HOWTo	0
Re: [SAdev] phew! "Michael Moncur" said: > My corpus is about 50% spamtrap spam at any given time. Let me know if I > should leave that out next time, I do keep it separate. My spamtraps are > pretty clean of viruses and bounce messages most of the time. IMO spamtrap data that's well-cleaned and monitored is fine. To my mind there's 3 types of spamtraps: 1. old user addresses, recycled into spamtraps when the user closes the account 2. old user addresses, recycled into spamtraps several months after the user closes the account, scanned for newsletters, unsubscribed from them etc. 3. real spamtrap addresses to trap website crawlers. The latter 2 are the most effective, but #1 is a real PITA; it takes lots of maintainance to avoid ham getting in there. Some of my spamtrap data had a few 1's contributed by ISPs, and I hadn't spent enough time sifting for legit mail that was slipping through. So I felt better leaving them out for this run, apart from what I'd hand-cleaned. --j.	0
[SAdev] [Bug 828] spamassassin.org is unreliable http://www.hughes-family.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=828 jm@jmason.org changed: What \|Removed \|Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status\|ASSIGNED \|RESOLVED Resolution\| \|FIXED ------- Additional Comments From jm@jmason.org 2002-09-21 16:35 ------- OK, this should now be considered fixed, I should think. Domain Name: SPAMASSASSIN.ORG Name Server: NS.PEREGRINEHW.COM Name Server: NS1.RTS.COM.AU Name Server: NS2.RTS.COM.AU Name Server: NS3.RTS.COM.AU Name Server: FAMILY.ZAWODNY.COM etc. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel	0
[SAdev] [Bug 1008] SpamAssassin does not work with Glance for http://www.hughes-family.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1008 jm@jmason.org changed: What \|Removed \|Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status\|NEW \|RESOLVED Resolution\| \|INVALID ------- Additional Comments From jm@jmason.org 2002-09-21 16:36 ------- Hi David -- I'm afraid this bug-tracking system is only used for the open-source SpamAssassin (the UNIX one ;). You need to talk to somebody at deersoft.com instead. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel	0
[SAdev] [Bug 886] Add a rule to detect Content-type message/partial http://www.hughes-family.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=886 ------- Additional Comments From jm@jmason.org 2002-09-21 16:37 ------- I'd prefer to wait and see if spammers do anything about it. my guess is they will not, as it'd mean modifying their spamware to send >1 msg per recipient. I vote WONTFIX as a result ;) ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel	0
[SAdev] [Bug 813] add Bayesian spam filtering http://www.hughes-family.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=813 ------- Additional Comments From jm@jmason.org 2002-09-21 16:39 ------- Dan, BTW, is there any code from this that we can get checked in? I'd love to mess around with it a bit. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel	0
[SAdev] [Bug 1012] negate directive addition http://www.hughes-family.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1012 ------- Additional Comments From easmith@beatrice.rutgers.edu 2002-09-21 16:41 ------- I like this idea, but from my reading - part of my dissertation research - on GAs (or, in this case, more precisely "Evolutionary Programming", since the parameters are non-binary and the major operator is mutation, not crossover), you do need to keep in mind that the more interactions there are between different variables, the better-tweaked the GA/EA will need to be, especially to avoid local optima (which may have been the problem with the suspiciously-high "anti-ratware" USER_AGENT scores). From past results, what's needed are one or more of the below: A. Determine mutational parameters by adapted-scores themselves, with variation on a per-original score basis; ideally, allow for having "correlated" mutations - in other words, have a mechanism in place for trying out changes to a bunch of scores at once, with them all moving about the same amount (albeit possibly in different directions) - one means to do this is found in the "Evolutionary Strategies" of Schwefel; B. Adapt the probability of a mutation taking place depending on how well previous mutation tries have done - if more than about a fifth of the new "individuals" are doing about as well as, or better than, the parental generation, then mutate more parameters; if less than a fifth of them are doing about as well as, or better than, the parental generation, then mutate less parameters. -Allen ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel	0
Re: [SAtalk] Spam host? "Mike Bostock" said: > Received: from tracking2 (tracking2.roving.com [10.20.40.142]) > by ccm01.roving.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4696633ED4 > for <mike@mydomain.co.uk>; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 17:57:03 -0400 (EDT) > X-Mailer: Roving Constant Contact > 5.0.Patch121c.P121C_SchedEnhancement_09_05_02 > (http://www.constantcontact.com) > > Is worthy of attention and a rule - if you go to their web site it > would appear that they are in the business of email mass marketing. > Unfortunately their mailing to me got through Spamassassin :-( Interesting -- I haven't seen anything from these guys in about a year, but looking at your hdr they're still doing it. OK, come up with an X-Mailer rule that hits your mails, and we'll put it in testing... --j. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
RE: [SAtalk] separate inbound and outbound No I was just a little confused because I'm running procmail on a gateway and sits between the external sendmail box and internal exchange bridgehead server. So there isn't any delivery to the local system. The only email it gets is inbound at the moment and we're looking to get rid of complication and go back to two boxes. I did a test which looked like you guys are right about procmail, but testing is very limited due to the config I currently have. It's just confusing when set up as a gateway. -Jason -----Original Message----- From: Stephane Lentz [mailto:Stephane.Lentz@ansf.alcatel.fr] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 2:50 PM To: spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [SAtalk] separate inbound and outbound On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 02:26:34PM -0700, Jason Qualkenbush wrote: > > Is there is way to separate inbound and outbound email so that I only check > for spam on inbound mail and ignore the outbound? > > I'm using Sendmail and running procmail on the gateway to call spamassassin. > I know it more of a sendmail question, but my google searches have only > turned up people trying to log all inbound and outbound email. > Using procmail, SpamAssassin doesn't get called for outgoing email (messages sent to other machines). Procmail=Local Delivery Agent => inbound traffic to LOCAL machine. SL/ --- Stephane Lentz / Alcanet International - Internet Services ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
RE: [SAtalk] user_prefs ignored This is just an semi-educated guess - if I'm wrong, someone please correct me! Spamd setuid's to the user running spamc. Since you're calling spamc from a global procmailrc file, it's being run as root (most likely). If called as root, spamd won't open user_prefs files. >>From the spamc man page: -u username This argument has been semi-obsoleted. To have spamd use per-user-config files, run spamc as the user whose config files spamd should load. If you're running spamc as some other user though (eg. root, mail, nobody, cyrus, etc.) then you can still use this flag. The solution is to set DROPPRIVS=yes in /etc/procmailrc, just before running spamc. From the procmailrc man page: DROPPRIVS If set to `yes' procmail will drop all privileges it might have had (suid or sgid). This is only useful if you want to guarantee that the bottom half of the /etc/procmailrc file is executed on behalf of the recipient. I hope that helps, and I also hope it's right! St- \| -----Original Message----- \| From: spamassassin-talk-admin@example.sourceforge.net \| [mailto:spamassassin-talk-admin@lists.sourceforge.net]On Behalf Of \| Cheryl L. Southard \| Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 2:28 PM \| To: spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net \| Subject: [SAtalk] user_prefs ignored \| \| \| Hi All, \| \| I am running SpamAssassin 2.41 with procmail as my local delivery agent \| with sendmail. I use spamc/spamd so that it runs site-wide from \| /etc/procmailrc. \| \| spamd is run as root with the flags "-d -a -c", and spamc isn't run with \| any flags. \| \| When I was testing the program, I deployed spamc from my personal \| ~/.procmailrc file, my ~/.spamassassin/user_prefs file was read each time. \| I can see this because I have a non-default "required_hits" value which \| gets reported in every e-mail on the "X-Spam-Status" line. \| \| Now that I run spamc from the global /etc/procmailrc file, my \| ~/.spamassassin/user_prefs file is no longer being read or processed from \| e-mails from outside computers. The "required_hits" value gets set back \| to the one in /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf. However, if I send local \| e-mail, my user_prefs file is read and processed correctly. \| \| Does anyone know how to fix this problem? if this is a spamassassin or \| procmail bug? \| \| Thanks, \| \| Cheryl \| \| -- \| Cheryl Southard \| cld@astro.caltech.edu \| \| \| ------------------------------------------------------- \| This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek \| Welcome to geek heaven. \| http://thinkgeek.com/sf \| _______________________________________________ \| Spamassassin-talk mailing list \| Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net \| https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk \| ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	0
Re: [SAdev] Have mass-check remove X-Spam-* headers? jm@jmason.org (Justin Mason) writes: > except for 1 thing: defanged MIME messages. that's a big problem. > but if you didn't just remove the headers and instead reverted > back to the X-Spam-Prev versions, it'd more-or-less work. > > (BTW fixed the downloads page ;) &check now un-defangs MIME -- it was screwing up some of my mass-check results (where SA-markup was present, yes). If there ever was a warning about SA-markup in mass-check, it never worked for me. Dan	0