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[927.22 --> 927.82] to allow that
[927.82 --> 929.30] to translate into mercy
[929.30 --> 930.68] no matter what the wound,
[930.88 --> 931.78] no matter what the hurt,
[932.06 --> 932.94] no matter what the sin
[932.94 --> 934.16] has been against us.
[934.78 --> 935.74] It's all passive
[935.74 --> 937.68] and no requirement.
[938.28 --> 939.58] Or as Dietrich Bonhoeffer,
[939.74 --> 941.10] a writer in the Second World War,
[941.18 --> 941.42] said,
[941.72 --> 942.76] it's cheap grace.
[943.58 --> 944.72] It's all what you receive
[944.72 --> 945.92] and nothing that you mirror
[945.92 --> 947.14] and give to the others
[947.14 --> 947.76] around you.
[949.12 --> 950.62] Forgiveness is a serious command
[950.62 --> 953.16] with serious consequences.
[954.48 --> 955.86] And I want to read for you now
[955.86 --> 957.20] that last part
[957.20 --> 958.52] of the last verse again
[958.52 --> 959.40] because this is what
[959.40 --> 960.14] really got me.
[960.20 --> 960.84] Not only is this
[960.84 --> 962.08] a heavy teaching,
[962.64 --> 963.42] but Jesus says
[963.42 --> 964.26] in the very end,
[964.48 --> 965.16] not just that we have
[965.16 --> 965.54] to forgive,
[965.74 --> 966.08] look at this,
[966.12 --> 966.68] all caps,
[967.16 --> 968.22] unless you forgive
[968.22 --> 969.34] your brother or sister
[969.34 --> 972.18] from the heart.
[974.82 --> 975.98] Now, I'm a parent
[975.98 --> 977.78] and if you have kids,
[977.86 --> 978.80] you're going to relate to this.
[979.38 --> 980.70] I've had conflict
[980.70 --> 981.28] in my household
[981.28 --> 982.12] with my children,
[982.44 --> 983.52] my wife and I as well,
[983.80 --> 984.48] but when our children
[984.48 --> 985.18] have conflict,
[985.50 --> 986.30] we try to be
[986.30 --> 987.02] as good parents,
[987.16 --> 987.30] you know,
[987.34 --> 987.86] we bring them
[987.86 --> 988.92] into conversation,
[989.12 --> 989.94] we bring them together
[989.94 --> 990.90] to hash it out
[990.90 --> 991.76] and to forgive each other
[991.76 --> 992.52] and we'll say
[992.52 --> 993.48] to our one child
[993.48 --> 994.20] to the other child,
[994.30 --> 994.48] okay,
[994.48 --> 995.74] now forgive your sister
[995.74 --> 996.74] and you know
[996.74 --> 997.36] how this goes,
[997.46 --> 997.66] right?
[998.40 --> 999.20] Say you're sorry,
[999.50 --> 1000.10] I'm sorry.
[1001.12 --> 1002.36] Say I forgive you,
[1002.60 --> 1003.46] I forgive you.
[1004.22 --> 1005.00] And Brittany and I,
[1005.10 --> 1006.86] we have this practice
[1006.86 --> 1007.84] of getting them to hug
[1007.84 --> 1008.54] and I'm like,
[1008.60 --> 1008.80] all right,
[1008.86 --> 1010.12] now hug your sibling.
[1010.28 --> 1010.54] They're like,
[1010.54 --> 1013.14] do you have this
[1013.14 --> 1013.64] in your household?
[1014.16 --> 1015.20] It's not just us?
[1016.52 --> 1018.24] And it's the most painful,
[1019.20 --> 1021.22] graceless kind of forgiveness
[1021.22 --> 1023.34] and here's the thing,
[1023.56 --> 1024.06] I mean,
[1024.80 --> 1025.88] we do the same thing
[1025.88 --> 1026.34] as adults,
[1026.40 --> 1027.34] it's just more concealed.
[1029.08 --> 1030.10] We have all sorts
[1030.10 --> 1031.18] of pseudo-forgiveness
[1031.18 --> 1032.32] as adults
[1032.32 --> 1033.98] and we don't talk about that,
[1034.58 --> 1034.78] right?
[1034.82 --> 1035.36] We have the,
[1035.48 --> 1036.38] this happens all the time
[1036.38 --> 1036.78] in our households,
[1036.88 --> 1037.04] I bet,
[1037.10 --> 1038.16] where someone hurts you
[1038.16 --> 1038.92] or a friend hurts you
[1038.92 --> 1039.68] and they come to you
[1039.68 --> 1039.86] like,
[1039.96 --> 1040.06] oh,
[1040.10 --> 1040.60] I'm so sorry
[1040.60 --> 1041.18] and you're just like,
[1041.24 --> 1041.38] oh,
[1041.40 --> 1041.88] it's okay
[1041.88 --> 1043.04] and then you go home
[1043.04 --> 1044.30] and it's not okay