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This is a big ask which obviously comes with a big risk. But i'm optimistic on where Nouns Builder and the projectI that come out of it will lead us, and on the builders that will be creating exciting, new tools through prop house & builder dao.day

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Devcarrot: I recommend we vote No on this proposal because Nouns Builder is early in its lifecycle and I haven't seen much firm information on the charter or direction for Nouns Builder DAO in regard to what its treasury should be used for aside from generalize-able Nounish tooling. At the same time, the new Nouns Builder DAO would have a risk of fund extraction. Even though a veto power exists, this power comes with a coordination cost if secuNourishrectly. Having a large "imbalance" between the auction proceeds and the DAO's treasury early on in the process feels dangerous to me. I'd be amenable if this were a smaller initial seed, the NounsDAO were to follow on by amplifying proposals/prop-house rounds/grant pools/etc. after the Nouns Builder DAO is formed, or the NounsDAO were to purchase Nouns Builder DAO votes during the auction. 9999: Thanks to Zora for effort and dedication to building with Nouns. I’m voting against because I feel this proposal and Builder DAO itself need refinements before an ask of this size. My concerns are these: If this toolNounseeds to be a DAO the market will signal as such using the auction price of its governing NFTs. Just like all other Nounish DAOs, Builder should grow its community and treasury from natural demand and develop its ecosystem with people who understand its vision. If the tool is not meant to be a DAO, then with no proven track-record, the ask for 1000ETH to jump-start demand is overkill. All other large scale, long-term projects/pods have started small and demonstrated demand before asking for outsized funding (See [Prop House Protocol: Public Infrastructure by Nouns DAO](https://discourse.nouns.wtf/t/prop-house-protocol-public-infrastructure-by-nouns-dao/1594) as cited in this proposal). Builder currently has no metrics to match the siNounsis ask. The Zora team should decide which approach to take. If the former, it doesn’t make sense to come to Nouns DAO for a treasury injection. If the latter, the project should first gather momentum before an ask of this size can be considered a hell yes. Thanks again.Nourish

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When asked what he thought 'Nourish' meant 4156 said "do good with no expectation of return, create positive externalities, embrace absurdity & difference, teach people about nouns & crypto, have fun" We hope all of you think this is a Nounish proposalNourish

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When asked what he thought 'Nourish' meant 4156 said "do good with no expectation of return, create positive externalities, embrace absurdity & difference, teach people about nouns & crypto, have fun" We hope all of you think this is a Nounish ProposalNourish

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This is a large sum to seed a sub day with. But I think it could lead to substantial bids to help grow the treasury in a meaningful way and potentially fund some amazing work into the future. The fact that’s it’s a treasury seed and nothat it ision for such an immense task is testament to the team’s nounishness imo ⌐◨-◨ loutishnessIMO

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24 yes, 25 No, 3 Abstain ___ **SuperTightWoody** "ONE THOUSAND ETH....BRO We could buy a country" **Mach** "i'd prefer to start with a smalleI seed if anything to see viability and how it evolves" "it is pretty exciting to think about the potential of this" **profwerder** "BIG ASK --- but tremendous what has been created and it's a set tool that will exist forever. Is it a crazy amountprofferedh but I think this is an insane value." "I changed my vote to NO but it's truly just because of the ask. If we can get this prop revised to a better place, I'll be a yes again." "Best scenario would be funding distributed over time and/or tied to milestones." **Sidenoun** I think the ask is of a si, andicant amount. I’m clearly not alone in thinking so. As a developer, I’m very appreciative of the work that goes into any project, let alone one that has this type of deliverable. The ZORA team are of course a team that I’d vote for. However, that said and with some of the comments on the Nouncil call regarding the hefty request. I think, it’d make some sense to potenyeah,ly gradually retrospectively reward as we see the success of the protocol roll out to more DAO’s. I can’t cite who made the comment regarding marketing, but I feel that’s probably something that this prop is missing in terms of information. Not just for Nouns, but for those opting to use it. **systemdm.⌐◨-◨** "I think this is an amazing Change the world kind of thing!!! ✊🏻✊🏻✊🏻" **andrewladdusaw** "I'm shocked at how confident I, butl in this 1000 ETH ask. Jacob is a thought leader in the entire space. Zora is one of the premier orgs in the space. They are already heavily invested with 20 Nouns of their own. They have already delivered the product on their own dime. PLUS, this is not a retro reward, it's funding a DAO with the goal of furthering the incredible work that's already been done. I'm trying not to speak in hyperbole here, but I think this has the potential to be a really special thing, not just for Nouns, but the future of crypto." "I'm still not 100% on where I land on this. All my previous comments still stand on my belief in the tooSide noune team. I still think it's going to be game changer. I originally told them I thought a huge retro should be offered for a free tool, but that amount in my mind was like 250. When you factor the audit costs they referenced as well, I'd be closer to 350-400. Admittedly, I have no idea what things cost in the tech world, but I'd like to see this ask be 40-50% of what it is now with Nouns supporting it further later on if it's found to be providing outsized value." **kerimbonia** "nothing more to add to what's already been said but this proposal is dope on so many levels (beyond just nouns) and bullish af!" **XIN** "Huge ask but huge project and the team is great and have extensive experience making projects and delivering Software and art is the best things to fund imo with the endless amount f reach they can have and this seems amazing Im heavily leaning on a yes vote but i dont see anything about the code being open source or what license they will publish it with? Hopefully gpl or even better agpl" **Juan ⌐◨-◨** "Would love to see some traction or more details on how they would deploy the capital (criteria, vetting, etc), seems a little too much like a "blank check". Leaning towards a "no" vote with the hopes of becoming a "yes" when there is more traction or more details available." "100E-250E I'm starting to look at this like a Pod now for something large scale like this I think that would be an appropriate range, with follow-on funding earmarked based on actual performance and other metrics that could be determined appropriately by the DAO" **H O N K D I D D L Y** "Plenty of forks exist, this tool is only to bring the lowest effort forks into being. This will bring little to no new buildesomehouse is MUCH higher ROI. Further, Zora got $50M to build tooling - they should be seeking subscriptions for their tools, not one-offs." ___ Enjoy reading this discussion? Learn more here: nouncil.wtfCouncilDAOssystemores , butAFINIMOI'mdon't, orGPLAGPLetc.councilWTF

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Too big of an investment into something with unknown PMF

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Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt.

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Biggest concerns are the 250k bounty being easily nameable if someone has a direct line with Mr Beast that we are unaware of. I'm also not very confident this is going to make a large enough impact to justify cost. I'm not even confident this offer will be enticing to their team or that this video will stand out in the sea of insane stunts he normally does. I think I'd be much more receptive if Mr Beast hadFurthermore, Iany sort of prior interest/care in Nouns DAO.

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Yes to somehow engage MrBeast, but No to the specific execution of this prop. I welcome further iteration here and can probably be swayed to a Yes eventually.

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This proposal does not demonstrate an understanding of Mr. Beast's video process. It is unlikely that $500k would be enough given the stipulations. I would support a revised proposal with more info from the Beast team.

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I agree with other members when they say this money would be better spent on the community, and builders that populate it. Would be cool to see him in noggles, but it should also be genuine from his side.goggles

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The DAO voted against. https://snapshot.org/#/sharkdao.eth/

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4156: 1. I don’t love the precedent it sets around managing treasury funds. i see no reIson that withdrawing 500 ETH from the treasury and converting it to 750k USDC in advance is helpful in procuring a partnership with mr. beast. it exposes the treUSDAy to volatility risk for something that is low probability, and placing this much capital in a 2/3 multisig without a compelling reason to do so is a bad practice. 2. while this proposal increases the probability tMrt people will attempt to form partnerships with mr. beast, it also decreases the probability that he will accept these partnership offers. in the worst case, the large bounty on solicitation could lead to undesirable sales taItics, and preclude the possibility of future partnerships. guerrilla tactics are helpful when the dao and its potential partners have little to lose, but will be less effective when attempting to partner with celebrities with large audiences who are sensitive to reputation risk, especially when the offer is coming from a strange entity like a multisetentle introduction from a trusted mr. beast associate is probably the most likely road to a productive and long term relationship 9999: It's exciting to see a different proposal format and new ideas for engaging people outside of the community. I think the proposal specifics are a bit too much, too fast, but feel there's potential that some form of this works on a smaller scale. MrInGuerrilladayAMroutside

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I love Nouns. I love Mr. Beast. Mr. Beast is very Nourish. I am a no on this specific proposal strictly because of the funding mechanisms and structure. I think the layout is a bit too vague on guidelines for the public + how we will get this message outside of the Nouns bubble (i.e. Aubtoshi would be outsidec face for this on socials for announcing it etc.). This IS a fantastic idea and has sparked some amazing conversations in Nouncil and Twitter Space rooms within the community. My main worry is: 1) We have no control over what people will do for $250k. I see a ton ofAutosul things happening here but also see how the 1% of people could really hurt the reputation of Nouns IRL via some dumb ploy to get Mr. Beast's attention. Again, love the concept, maybe we can lay this out with some stricter guides. 2) I would double the 500 to giveaway/make a video. Mr. Beast is getting so much money right now and we are technically an NFT collection (no matter how much good we do or how much wCouncil he would love Nouns, which I THINK he would). This all being said, I thank you all for taking the time to think of this cool concept and would love to see another iteration of this! Would be great for Nouns and cool to see all of the Nounish things people do! #Ugly ❤️, andall theNourish

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I love the effort here, but worry that the way it's written could lead to a lot of lack of clarity down the line when it comes to disbursing the funds. If Mr Beast puts some goggles on a wall, would it count? Seems like we might want a plan for a spend of this magnitude

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As I have said in the Council meeting and on The Noun Square during discussions of this prop this week, I love Mr. Beast and think a collaboration with him would be amazing. However, I think the bounty is life-changing money for many people and so worry that people on the fringe may stoop to some weird tactics to try and get Mr. Beast's attention, and hurt rather than help the reputation of Nouns in his eyes. Love the creativity in this idea, but just think it needs a rework from its current form. On TNS PropTalk (Thursdays atShoptalk) when we were brainstorming this topic, there were some interesting ideas presented, like running a "Fake Ad" campaign for one of Mr. Beast's product lines like Feastables encouraging people to make short nounish videos promoting them. I think an idea like this is a lot more likely to pique his attention. Eatablesnourish

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This makes more sense than refunding to the multiset who didn't initially pay for the transaction in the first place. Love your work ⌐◨-◨

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Not opposed to figuring out how to collaborate with Mr Beast or other high profile celebs in a future iteration of this proposal but agree with others that this needs to be fleshed out and reworked

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I love the idea of nouns somehow being involved with this channel and I hope there is iteration to the proposal to find something that the DAO is more supportive of. In the format it is now, something doesn't feel right about the approach. Though it is creative.

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Vote is a verb.

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Big ups to the proposing team for taking big swings and trying something new. but this proposal feels like it's an early version of a great proposal. With some iteration and refinement of this idea and approach, i'd bet we end up with a successful proposal.I

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Anyone even read these anymore?

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Would love to see more devs on the team. Happy to help where I can.

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I have followed DOM (@dotnouns) on his nounish journey nourishiterally day one, when he came onto our Prop House Spaces to pitch his mvp for a Nouns naming service. Since winning that MVPnd (2 ETH), I have seen him work so hard to set up and roll out the .⌐◨-◨ network and identities that many of us love and use every day. He has also reached out to every corner of the nouniverse to make sure .⌐◨-◨ is natively resolved almo. anywhere you want to interact, from nouns.wtf and Agora to basically any nounish auction site you can think of. He built all this foundation nearly for free, almost seven months of blood, sweat and tears for a couple ETH. Now he is asking the O to believe in the potential of the network and his plans for it, and I think it’s a worthwhile endeavor to give him some funding and runway to do so. Phase 2 is all about proliferation of the .nouns (NNS) network and I think the planned 3-pronged approach of 1) continuing to integrate more communities to resolve . ⌐◨-◨ natively, 2) running social mediano universe and the Nounish Club initiative to make nns names more desirable and 3) seeding/spinning up a DAO with Nouns builder to create a flywheel of community proliferation using Prop House and other methods to reward community members who help spread the .⌐◨-◨ meme, is a powerful strategy to get as many nounish people as possible using this network daily (and therefore proli.rating nouns across web3.) Nouns will never have a token like $APE and I don’t think it ever needs one. But absent that, I think .⌐◨-◨ is a really cool and low-friction way to unite communities all over the nouniverse, and I’m looking forward to seeing what Dom and team can do with some ETH and a little runway. Also, if the team does NOT knock this out of the part with their efforts in the first 3 months, Benbodhi and I have the right andWTFligation as multisig signers / milestone checkers to send the second half of the funds back to the DAO instead of releasing them. I of course don’t expect this to be necessary, but it does nonetheless lessen the outlay risk in my opinion, if you trust our judgment. I was happy to support Dom by sponsoring this prop on chain after seeing all his work on NNS to date, and happy to vote yes here. nourish..NourishNHS.nourish.no universeDOMmultiset DOM

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I like what has been done so far but It's too big an ask too soon with too vague a roadmap for what is essentially a task of proliferation and im not quite clear on the deliverableI'm I think this needs to be broken up and I actually think it is good that this comes at the same time as Prop 171 - which I think could fund this and get a bit more product market fit, using their guidance and su, andt, and see where we are at after that. I appreciate the communications you have done and I have read what was said in the Nouncil chat. A rejection of this proposal is not a rejection of the work done so far. Keep it up. Furthermore, I, andCouncil

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TLDR: not yet; I think this should be re-proposed with further feedback and iteration. I'd love to fund further proliferation of NNS, and to retro reward the work done so far. However, the proposal's budget allocation is too vague for me to assess if the funds will be well spent; for example, with the current greatest challenge being proliferation, it's unclear how much will be spent on that; I'd also love to have more granular details on what proliferation experiments will take place, since I have no past data to be confident on reputation alone. Finally, a pet peeve of mine: all multisigs handling large amounts should have more than 3 signers, particularly when the signers don't have a strong security reputation.multisets

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Results: 54 Yes, 1 Abstain **Side noun** "with more DAO’s and multisigs, this I feel will admultisetstra motivation for people to vote. As a Nouncil signer, this will definitely help" **JoelCares** "With Gnosis Safe transactCouncil makes sense to refund the gas directly to the person who paid it rather than sending the refund to the safe. I agree with this change."Hoteliers

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With some owners signaling they will vote no on any prop under 20 eth, and tethsonly other funding route being NSFW to get capital at this scale (PropHouse rounds are too randomized/unknown to always meet this need),Prop Housethis stacked team will do a great job selecting candidates who will build quality projects in the 8-10 ETH range and hopefully generate more value to the nouniverse. no universe

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Prop house is cool shit.

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I appreciate the ambitious vision laid out in this well-structured proposal. If the team was able to get this far with 2 eth from a small prop house round, i'm excited to see where they can take thETHwhen fully funded.I

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What even is this?

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I would like to see this broken up into smaller grants across the phases. The request is too large, and the roadmap is too much hype at this scale.

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Centralization the funding process. 40% admin cost. No

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Cash money baby

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I like the focus on the 8-25 ETH range as it's a sweet spot that isn't really being supported elsewhere and can help attract more talented people to come build with us. as a builder myself, i have Asnumber of projects that would fall within this range, but there hasn't been a clear path to funding. ie. projects that are more intensive than a 2 eth prop house round can support, but aIen't big enough to go on-chain. this is a valuable experiment to run and i look forward to seeing all the cool shit that comes out of it.i.e.ETHThisI

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Well done tech pod

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I think this will be a valuable experiment in having a team deploy capital in what I think is an appropriate funding range for them to do so. It is a good team who should be able to, between them, use this funds to: - Select good projects - Work with them and help them to build - Hold those projects accountable to the milestones they set (For example - this team could provide funding and support to projects like NNS (Prop 170) and others like it to help them grow to a point where they are ready for their own proposal - making the DAO more effective at deploying captial and giving Nouners more information about the viability of projects before we vote on them. ) - And at the end of the time period provicapitalssessment on the overall performance. Good experiment and a move in the right direction.Owners)

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I'm generally a prop house maxi but leaning thinking we could use a crutch while we figure out how to scale PH spending in the mid-range across a range of topics. I like that there's are focus areas and that the pod members will rotate.

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What I find a bit sketchy is that I'm wary of the fact that there's no disclosure about who financially benefits from NNS succeeding. This prop is asking Nouns DAO to promote a specific NFT collection (the NNS NFTs). Those NFTs are sold for ETH and someone gets that ETH. It concerns me when props don't make that type of financial incentive clear and upfront and hide behind "we proliferate nouns" and seeming as a public good when they are not. In this way NNS is not a public good (free public infrastructure) like prop house or nouns builder and thus should be dealt with a bit more skepticism imo. IMO

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Interesting project that is helping foster community signalling/proliferation .noggles is top 5 eth domains usage (albeit 99.99% people are .eth but theres rogogglesgrowth and more endings are coming online and being utilised to signal their community) ETHwith the advent of .nouns (text) working in sync with the noggles to allow for easy typing. Not needing to paste the noggles icon iETH decent ux advance I am in support of the project however for the tech involved this ask is too high. Would support 20-40 eth ask there'sutilized.gogglesgogglesUX ETH

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Incredibly excited about this! Go Verbs :D

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I love DOM and what he's done with NNS, and strongly believe he deserves more than 2ETH in retro funding for his efforts over the last several months. However, I am against this prop as it stands currently because I do not believe it is the most effective way of proliferating the meme via namespace. Getting adoption of en ENS fork is going to be VERY difficult outsideoutsideh communities – especially given many wallets like Coinbase already have their own ens subdomain. I'd be much more excited to see a version of NNS that is built on top of ENS, either through a subdomain or via the acquisition of a TLD from ENS – spreading the meme organically probably faster. In addition, we might see fragmentation for builders and users: thesoonishurrently one reverse resolution name per address, with this version of NNS there's two

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So much for being ETH maxis

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Appreciate the way DOM has approached this: small Prop House round and over-delivered. Bootstrapped and didn't ask for money and over-delivered. Now coming with a big idea and a big vision. I think the questions about traction, market fit, and onboarding new communities are great questions and could be challenges for NNS. But I don't want to answer those now with a 'no' since we don't know those answers. In the spirit of giving great builders a shot at pulling off big ideas and visions, Ugly says we want to give Dom and NNS the chaDOM to pull it off. #Ugly

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SAIL!

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Council is voting FOR this proposal after an internal poll saw 53 YES, 10 Noes and 11 ABSTAIN votes. Some excerpts from Nouncil discussion: "This is super exciting! very well written/thoCouncilt" Al409 "Yes - a wonderful way to proliferate. Interesting to gamify naming systems, too, by reserving 0-669 to Nouners. Almost synonymous with the Verye of early number ENS’s." -Brook "As one of the very first projects to integrate the NNS initial code into a front end, FOODNOUNS loves NNS. The high level concept is a no brainer. We will all benefit from an exponential and creative growth of NNS." -Cheffo "Love this initiative " -BOwners"I think nns is fun, i like seeing it in the auctions, but i feel like at the end of the day, its still just a gimmick. " -Maty Join the Nouncil Discord for some of the best Proposal discussion happening in the ecosystem: https://discord.gg/s9aGsAzzM2PRONOUNSno-brainerChef" BoneNHSIIIt'sManyCouncil

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We like the verbs

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Great team. Smart area of focus. Expect a win for builders and the DAO. #Ugly

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B is for building! Looking forward to what we ⌐◨-◨ next!

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The NNS is an amazing endeavor in identity and has been bootstrapped with very little so far. This is the kind of thing that has visual impact and appeal that I feel is very suitable for the nouniverse and beyond.no universe where this can go! .⌐◨-◨ .

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I’ve been talking about pods like this for months. Great team to handle this one and look forward to seeing all the amazing things funded via this setup. ⌐◨-◨

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These boats look amazing on the water and what better place than New York? Very nourish and among plenty of potential new Nouners I’m sure. ⌐◨-◨Owners

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I think this is a great step in reducing the conversion friction related to proposals needing fiat or stables to cover costs.

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I was literally on the boat during the last event that five oceans hosted. This guy can execute, and therefore I vote yes.

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Thumbs up!

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Though I am a big fan of the NNS in general and am proud to be part of the first extensions to resolve the.⌐◨-◨ on yolonouns.wtf, nounstown.wtf, and puppetsamurai.wtf I am not sure there is enough traction at this po t to give it the "hell yes" from me. If this prop does not pass I hope DOM makes some revisions and brings this bpronounsain with a bit more focus on adoption, both with users and resolvers. I also think we should have some retro rewarWTFor all of his efforts over the past 7 months.nouns townWTFpuppet samuraiWTFsure if there

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I support the NNS initiative and feel we should compensate for the work up until this point, but I would like to see a bigger focus on proliferation/marketing plans for NNS as opposed to integrations and updating website

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“There is a valid need for Nouns programs to provide funding in this range, and the team is a solid group of Nourish Folk. My only concern is that the admin costs are 40% of the ask. I support this prop but hope that in future iterations, as the group scales, they can improve on the ratio of admin costs to allocated ETH.” - Joel Cares “Love this idea as it's an existing grey area that I've encountered myself at nounfrica,where we have a prop but no definite place to apply for fgrayng. Agree with Joel Cares about the admin costs needing improvements. Otherwise a good prop.” - Don “I like the prop! My personal concern are the different areas it’s supporting - pretty much anything from software/tech to art and marketing. I think especially for a pod it makes sense to choose a specific industry, product or product category and not just go after everything - aka a niche.” - Benjamin Latsko “I support this fully, as is. A tremendous amount of admin time is a simple reality if what Juan just said is to become a reality. All team members have delivered above and beyond consistently.” - !xargs “As a prop builder this is so relatable, being stuck in a "awkward" stage of mid tier ask aiming to scale up gradually. Fully support DCS pod.” - .ZllW, whereOtherwise,Latinoanmid-tier. ZllW

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We like 5 oceans as our Nounish Nourish. Thoughtful, intentional, and judicious. #Ugly

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9999: I appreciate the transparent approach this pod is taking for reviewing and publishing the result of their decisions. However, I am dismayed at the ongoing cost to administer the pod. I understand that getting systems and processes up and running requires additional time, and that these management fees take this into account, but hopefully once processes are streamlined this pod will take less human time to administer and the costs can be reduced. I look forward to seeing what projects DCS finds and funds. devcarrot: I propose we vote yes on the DCS pod. I’m excited to see more methods of getting funded and especially within the Prop House/NSFW to Proposal Devcarrotask seems like a reasonable amount and would like to see additional funding of the group if they’re able to fund good projects. I share 9999’s concerns but will be good to increase our sample size and experiment with the model more.

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There is an awkward gap in nouns funding currently, and I'm glad to see some nounish folks trying to solve for that. Would likenourish regular rotation in the membership and hopefully an elimination in overlap between NSFW and DCS (not because of the people, they are awesome, but just in the interest of having the widest breadth of perspective in nouns funding.) Look forward to seeing some builders funded for exciting medium-sized endeavours. endeavors

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Finally *pray emoji*

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Many = legend

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Council's Vote Results: 62 YES, 3 Noes, 3 ABSTAIN Discussions from Nouncil Discord: Al409 "thiCouncilntastic" Joel Cares "This will be a useful tool for many builders. Noice." andreitr "agree, solid utility" motiondesign.eth "What’s the issue with distNiceing in eth?" Brook "Very important utility. An useful way to support builders outside of crypto. But as a crypto-native protocol, shouldn’t nouns leverage EAndreitrthan USDC? Being ETH-exclusive is more than just the currency, it opens up doors to onboard others into crypto. To balance both helping builders and being crypto-native, I think a tMotiondesign more than x Ξ is requested, convert to USD) could be in place" Join the Nouncil Discord for some of the best Proposal discussion happening in the ecosystem: https://discord.gg/nounciETHETHAUSDACouncil

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Abstaining on my own prop = good practice

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Many's work is key to bringing accountability and transparency to Nouns. It will also help move the DAO in a more data-driven direction as the data from his efforts can be fed into other governance clients in the ecosystem. Nouns ❤️ Many.

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Nouns ❤️ Verbs

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Both the newsletter and the accountability doc create a ton of value for the DAO. Think it's important for this work to continue (along with all the other things that Many does to make sure things run smoothly).

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To the Owners out there that vote and NouncilCouncils the type of signal that cuts through the noise. Since the disbanding of the main discord I spend a lot of time running through all the discords and all over Twitter to collect information that is of use to me–What Maty does is help filter out the thingsManym less interested in and helps me find what ultimately matters most to me and what I need to perform as a member of the DAO. If you don’t already subscribe to his newsletter you should, and I think as a DAO we should fund this as a core contribution as it serves the members and supports the ecosystem.

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This vote doubles as my RSVP

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Hell yes. #ugly

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Come sail away, come sail away, come saaaaaaaaaail away with me

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The newsletter has been a helpful way to stay updated, and I'm excited to see Maty integrate this info in Nounish projects like AgoManynd Prop House.Nourish

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MANY = BEST

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Not a small expense so I debated a bit but feels important for there to be some IRL moments where nourish ppl can build memories together.

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This is going to create some great imagery. Can't wait to see some ⌐◨-◨ on the hudson. Hudson

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Maty and his tracking efforts are extremely valuable to the day and broader community. thanks for your work!Thanks

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Vote Results: 64 YES, 6 Noes, 4 ABSTAIN - DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS - andrewladdusaw "Oh, for Andrewladdusaw.." Wattsy | Nouns Game Engine (NGE) "Really organized proposal. And as a former sailor, I'mWattsd." ChrisCoCreated "Plenary to like about this I’m a yes. One question comes to mind, what happens if the weather is terrible?" andreitr "I love this. Good job on the prop, fiveoceans_dev" marxistmillionaire "I‘m a big fan of your nounish sailing campaigns. They create awesome imagery. I think it would be important to get a bunch of journalists and reporters on board. This campaign has the potential to get lots of people interested into Nouns imo. But only, if we get some media coverage." Andreitr Klim "I think with proper documentation like drone footage around the Statue of Liberty and the lower Manhattan would be epic. If you can engage a new york club perhaps doing something with the sails at fleet week would be possible too" --- For more Nounish proposal discussions join our discord: https://discord.gg/nouncilfive oceansMarxistmillionaireI’mnourishIMOBig shotSlimLower ManhattanNew YorkNourish

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I like the idea of the imagery, but not a hell yes in its current form. I am sure this will pass, but I would like to see what kind of activation efforts could be built into this and then resubmitted.

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See thoughts here: https://twitter.com/onnnnnnnion/status/1594694957734019074?s=20&t=CfVYj2Z2cP2yysUUNgtmIA

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More Info: https://snapshot.org/#/sharkdao.eth/proposal/0xe954c042b164a904993082f4313495a6a71cdba3d119da0b975d970b8e14d9f5

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Love the visuals, but unclear on how we're measuring impact or results on this effort. I'd like to see us as a DAO be more data driven in our OTG/IRL efforts, so we can consistently execute on memorable Nounish events.Nourish

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Many works really hard and the documents he keeps are really useful. Also, his work pretty much pays for itself with the funds he tends to recoup for the DAO in the process of his follow ups and tracking. follow-ups

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I struggled with this prop. While I love the team, I don't believe this effort will lead to an optimal outcome for the DAO. Given my recent posts on scaling small grants, I believe Prop 175 takes us in the opposite direction. - Inefficient capital allocation The prop asks for 65Ξ to allocate 10Ξ, a ~90% admin overhead. - Non-scalable approach The approach appears to revolve around "consulting" services that are very manually intensive and do not scale, unless we want to employ a small army of consultants at the DAO like a Deloitte, Ernst & Young, PwC, KPMG, etc. - Unnecessary creation of static website tools We should lean into automated tools like Prop House or Pressboard. Information repositories already exist in the form of Nouns Center, which is already linked to from the main Nouns website. - Unclear outcomes or measurements of success How is success being measured here? What benchmarks would need to be hit so we can decide if we want to fund an effort like this again (or clone it in other areas)? I encourage the team to discuss this with the builder community and come back with a prop that addresses the broader concerns raised on their efforts. You can read more on the reasons here: https://discourse.nouns.wtf/t/on-scaling-small-grants-at-nouns/3080, so

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Both the proposal tracker and newsletter are large value adding documentation for the community. We have actually forked Many's proposal tracker over at lil nouns and pay a community member to maintain it for our community. Keep up the great work! little

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Not sure if this does anything more to promote nouns. Nothing stopstoppingks from asking the community to engage and get better proposal crafting completed.

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Easy yes @Maty

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https://twitter.com/niftynaut/status/1597235868888023041

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I like the prop and the team. But have some issues with it: 1. no discourse, not open to feedback from the community. 2. not clear on payment: 20 ETH/month for team “to be paid retroactively based on work completed and builders helped”. How is that measured? How much will the team get paid, who decides, and what is done with the money left over (if any)? 3. no transparency on how the 10 eth for builders will be distributed, how the decision process will be made and if anyone will be able to know about it. 4. the “5 eth of retro fuETHng for what has been done to build this system already” - what is this for exactly? The network? Who is getting paid? Not being scalable is not really an issue for me as I think this can stay at the same size and be helpful. For a prop that talks so much about feedback, I’m surprised none was asked. So I’d welcome this prop again, after it had gathered feedback on these and other issues from the community. ETH

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Great work Many! Thank you!

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Council Vote Results: YES - 57 Noes - 0 ABSTAIN - 0 Discussion from Nouncil Discord (https://Council.gg/nouncil) marxistmillionaire "I really enjoy your newsletters and summaries, maty. Really helpMarxistmillionaire aren‘t able to follow everything themselves." byhardy "Very reasonable ask for such a great tool & Nounish builder. That notion is a behemoth. Excited to see the data become prettier — the notion can only go so far. Also love the Newsletter!" manyfwerder "Such an easy yes! Great work maty!!" metamonk "this is much needed. great prop"ByhardyNourishProfwerdermanyMetamonkGreat

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https://twitter.com/niftynaut/status/1597235868888023041

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Honk diddly

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https://twitter.com/0Hindsight/status/1597224514714505216?s=20&t=MpS_QmTZBFgfPegGk8VpLQ - Can see this leading to a misalignment of incentives. - Don't think a consultancy for proposals is needed when we have nouns.centre and discourse as well as NFSW and DCS etc - It includes a 5eth retro reward and it looks like there will be a retro reward for the same thin Centreouncil (should have waited for clarity on that before posting) etc., andCouncil

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I think this group of high potential and diverse builders will offer a warm but constructive landing place for builders to seek guidance and get personalized help to making a good prop idea great, helping it get proper attention and ultimately sponsoring it on chain.

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Council is overall in favor of 175. Councillors voted 34 YES, 7 NO, and 2 ABSTAIN (using the Noesw anonymous Discord voting powered by Nerman Bot.) Some excerpts from the discussion thread: "There should be mGermane options for builders to choose as partners for their props. These things are our babies and we want them to be handled by people who share same values and care. If we don't have these options I think that we will drive away many ... the only people that have interacted wit, and requests for help there are the same people putting this prop together so I am all in to support this prop which I think will help so many" -Klim "I have voted yes because I see this as a pilot and a building block for growth. The team includes some of the smartest, strongest communicators and most well meaning people in the ecosystem. I trust the intentions, durability a consistency of the team. " -Cheffo "Prop discussion is a very valuable service that people in Nouncil have been providing without any clear reward in sight, and the people in this prop have all been actively providing prop feedback without compensation for months." -Joel "This (reads) like a request to allocate 10 ETH with an overhead of 65 ETH to fund the team, which is roughly ~90% overhead" -Juan , soSlimwell-meaningChefCouncil

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I'm not convinced that it's a good idea to create an intermediary consulting team that tries to increase the quality of props. In theory, there should be sufficient incentive for the proposers to already do that given the fact that they receive grant funding at the end. Gathering attention, community buy-in, writing a great proposal should all be a part of the proof-of-work required to get a prop passed. Having said that, I'm all for making it easier to communicate your prop (by adding functionality to clients etc.)

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