Discusión:Inglés neozelandés

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message: Hi. First of all, apologies for writing in English - I don't know enough Spanish to be able to write a talk page message or an edit summary in your language.
This recent edit of mine needs to be explained.
First of all, the vowel charts. Those vowel charts: ,  and  have been replaced with , , . I did that because they former ones are based on an unreliable source (one that didn't cite any other sources and has actually been deleted from the site - see  and ) and because the way /e/, /ɵː/, /ʉː/, /ɐʉ/ and /æʊ/ were presented on them is at odds with how those vowels are described in the literature (see :w:en:New Zealand English phonology and the sources cited there):
* /e/ is typically near-close [ɪ] in NZE. A close-mid realization [e] is typical of Australian English.
* /ɵː/ and /ʉː/ are normally kept distinct in NZE, as [ɵː] and [ʉː] or something similar. No source I'm aware of describes those as being merged, though they can be pretty close to each other. I don't think that the way they're presented here is an appropriate way to depict two contrasting vowels in a language (as something like [ɵ̝ː] vs [ʉ̞ː]).
* /ɐʉ/ is normally described as having a central starting point ([ɐʉ]), not a back, [ɑ]-like one.
* No source I'm aware of describes NZE /æʊ/ as a backing diphthong [æɔ], which is the Australian realization. Rather, they all say that it's either a closing one ([æʊ]) or a centering one ([æʉ], [ɛʉ], [æə], [ɛə]).
Another reason for the replacement is actually very simple - because those charts are unreliable, we should try and get them removed from Commons. I'll take care of that.
Now onto the table. I've removed */i/ from it (it's not a phoneme but a variant of /iː/ used in the least stressed syllables) and reorganized the table. Normally, the short vowels are listed first. In NZE, /e/ and /oː/ are actually close vowels (not fully close, but near-close - the latter is often more back than /ʊ/ though) and /ɛ, ɒ/ are both mid (open-mid to be more precise, though that varies somewhat). /ɐ/ and /ɐː/ are the only vowels that are open in NZE. Again, see the English article for sources.
The symbols <æe>, <ɑe>, <oe>, <æo> are needlesly complicated and there's actually no advantage in preferring them over <æɪ, ɑɪ, oɪ, æʊ>. The closeness of the second elements of the first three diphthongs varies between close-mid [e] and close [i], so there's no need to abandon the traditional transcription of <ɪ> used by e.g. Wells. Using <æɪ> and <oɪ> actually brings the transcription used here in line with how Australian English is transcribed (in AuE, what is usually transcribed /ɑe/ should be written with <ɑɪ> as well - that's another story though). Since those varieties are often confused by speakers of other varieties of English (not to mention the vast majority of non-native speakers), I don't think that we should transcribe NZE and AuE differently if there's no actual need to do so. Not to mention that <æɪ, ɑɪ, oɪ, æʊ> are more understandable for most readers because of their closeness to the usual transcription of FACE, PRICE, CHOICE and MOUTH in English (<eɪ, aɪ, ɔɪ, aʊ>). In fact, the transcription of the ending point of FACE as <e> and the offset of MOUTH as <o> is probably confined to NZE. I've never seen such transcriptions in the case of other dialects.
NZE /æʊ/ varies between [æʊ], [æʉ], [æə], [ɛʉ] and [ɛə]. There's no need to deviate from the usual transcription of the second element of this diphthong as <ʊ> because the ending point is actually quite variable. Kbb2 (discusión) 15:01 16 jul 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent changes 

message: Hola,
Acabo de modificar 1 enlaces externos en Inglés neozelandés. Por favor tomaos un momento para revisar mi edición. Si tenéis alguna pregunta o necesitáis que el bot ignore los enlaces o toda la página en su conjunto, por favor visitad esta simple guía para ver información adicional. He realizado los siguientes cambios:
*Se añadió el archivo https://web.archive.org/web/20130603174158/http://englishonline.tki.org.nz/English-Online/Exploring-language/Other-Forms-of-Variation a http://englishonline.tki.org.nz/English-Online/Exploring-language/Other-Forms-of-Variation
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thread_title:  Enlaces externos modificados 

message: Hola,
Acabo de modificar 1 enlaces externos en Inglés neozelandés. Por favor tomaos un momento para revisar mi edición. Si tenéis alguna pregunta o necesitáis que el bot ignore los enlaces o toda la página en su conjunto, por favor visitad esta simple guía para ver información adicional. He realizado los siguientes cambios:
*Se añadió el archivo https://web.archive.org/web/20140722042214/http://www.nzilbb.canterbury.ac.nz/onze.shtml a http://www.nzilbb.canterbury.ac.nz/onze.shtml
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Saludos.—InternetArchiveBot (Reportar un error) 01:16 23 jul 2020 (UTC)
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