Diskuto:Parua genro

message: Paruedoj estas familo kaj ne genro!
Ekz.
Bovedoj  - familio
bovenoj, kaprenoj - subfamilio
Ĉ E-a nomo kiun vi donis por Parus Palustris estas ie oficiala en E-o ? kiu estas ĝia deveno? En Francio oni konas ĝin sub nomo "monaĥineta paruo", kiu bone priskribas ĝian aspekton. Male ĉiuj arbaj birdoj vivadas en foliaro.
Eliott
en la hungara "monaĥa paruo"
razilklingo
Do almenaŭ du lingvoj nomas ilin same.
Eliott
Ĉu ekzistas regulo por nomi birdojn esperante ? Mi trovis la  nomon Foliarparuo en www.geocities.com/wfpilger/ kaj en home.swipnet.se/~w-58871/birdies/esperanto.html kaj uzis la regulon de "unua uzado", sed Monaĥan paruon mi ne malŝatas !! Tamen Marĉa paruo ne taŭgas ĉar tiu paruo ne vivas en marĉoj.
Tjeri 16/12/03''
Du lingvoj ne gravas: "Granda paruo @ Parus major [379] 80 Nigra paruo @ Parus ater [382] 81 Blua
paruo @ Parus caeruleus [380] 82 Foliarparuo @ Parus palustris [386] 82a ... 
www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/2755/birdrkch.html - " 
"PARUEDOJ @ PARIDAE Foliarparuo @ Parus palustris [386] Salikparuo @ Parus montanus
(P. atricapillus) [387] Lapona paruo @ Parus cinctus [384] Tufparuo ... 
www.geocities.com/wfpilger/birdeou8.htm - 42k"
tiujn ĉi trovis la guglo por foliarparuo.
La monaĥinoj ĉe ni havas bluan, nigran veston, la monaĥoj brunan!
Mi havas libron (redaktita laŭ hungara libro) pri bestoj, tie aperas la nomo "foliarparuo". La foliarparuon karakterizas la medio de "falfolia" arbaro. Mi ĉi-semajne kontrolas la temon kaj korektos!RK
germane Sumpfmesie  -- marĉoparuo (laŭvorte)! RK
replies: text: Rimarku ke la bildo venas el la anglaligva vikipedio kiu nomas ĝin : The  Marsh Tit, Poecile palustris, (formerly Parus palustris). (vidu :en:Marsh Tit). Mi kopiis Poecile palustris , iu korektis ĝin al Parus palustris kiun la anglalingva vikipedio prezentas kiel pli frua nomo. Bonvolu kontroli antaŭ ol korekti ĉu prave. Cetere tiu birdo laŭ la angla kaj latina nomo devus esti Marĉa paruo, ĉu ne ? Arno Lagrange 10:09, 15. Dec 2003 (UTC)
Mi uzis la  franca liste des Oiseaux du Palearctique Occidental 2002 http://www.lpo.fr/oiseaux/lopo/index.htm  kaj mi legis en libro de P.Geroudet (svisa birdfakulo) ke Poecile palustris estas malnova nomo. Tjeri 16/12/03
http://www.birdguides.com/html/vidlib/species/Parus_palustris.htm#habitat
en la hungara neto mi trovis nur unu mencion por Poecile palustris: norda paruo (en 100-jara leksikono) RK Mi kontrolas plu

message: Nu mi ne tuj povas redakti artikolon, sed mi kolektis retajn dokumentojn (Arno Lagrange 14:05, 15. Dec 2003 (UTC)): 
* Parus palustris
* Genus changes in bird species Rolf A. de By
* http://www.ornitaxa.com/SM/GenChange/GeneraTits.htm
*  Paridae : Remizinae (13 taxons), Parinae (66 taxons)
* The Complete Morris's British Birds 1891
* Marsh Tit
* Marsh Tit Poecile palustris
* Species Seen in 2 Categories
* Биоразнообразие
 	
===Parus palustris===
http://www.birdguides.com/html/vidlib/species/Parus_palustris.htm
	  	
 Tits
 Marsh Tit
 Parus palustris 	
 en Marsh Tit, 
 da Sumpmejse, 
 nl Glanskopmees, 
 fi Viitatiainen, 
 fr Mésange nonnette, 
 de Sumpfmeise, 
 it Cincia bigia, 
 no Løvmeis, 
 es Carbonero palustre, 
 sv Entita
The Marsh Tit is not a bird of marshes at all but is most likely to be found in mature deciduous woodland or parkland. Its pattern of black cap, white cheeks and brown back is found in only one other British bird, the very similar Willow Tit. The Marsh Tit is however, the smarter, neater, slimmer of the two with a glossy black cap and short, neat black bib - altogether a more dapper-looking bird.
Breeds and winters in mature broad-leaved woodlands.
A fairly widespread bird over most of England and Wales, but in Scotland it's only found in the south-east.
Widespread and likely to be found in woodland areas throughout central Europe.
60 000 territories in Britain, found mainly in the south and south-east. None are found in Ireland.
2.8-4.4 million breeding pairs throughout Europe. They are absent from Finland and most of Spain.
===Paridae : Remizinae (13 taxons), Parinae (66 taxons)===
http://membres.lycos.fr/listoiseauxmonde/Parid.html
===Species Seen in 2 Categories===
http://www-boone.fnal.gov/cgi-bin/kasper/birds/lists?TYP=1&CAT=N2 
	Paridae Parinae
 ..1.1...	Marsh Tit	Poecile palustris
 ....1...	Eurasian Marsh-Tit	Poecile palustris palustris
 ..1.....	Asian Marsh-Tit	Poecile palustris brevirostris
===Genus changes in bird species ===
 http://www.ornitaxa.com/SM/GenChange/GenericChanges.htm
 pages © Rolf A. de By
The intention of this set of pages is to document changes in the genera to which species have been assigned. To accept or not to accept such changes will always remain to some extent a matter of taste. I did not want to ignore the ornithological literature in this respect, so felt that the best I could do is to value papers and include those that seemed to provide convincing evidence.
Changes here documented have been committed to the main list.
This page set is in an early stage of development.
 http://www.ornitaxa.com/SM/GenChange/GeneraTits.htm
 New name 	  				Vernacular 	Old name
 Poecile palustris  	(Linnaeus)   1758  	Marsh Tit  	Parus palustris Poecile   Kaup  1829
===The Complete Morris's British Birds 1891===
 http://www.birdcheck.co.uk/frame.htm 
Please note; due to the fact that there is only me doing/paying for this project, you may have to wait another hundred odd years before I can add any descriptions for each of the bird pictures. My intention originally was to just have the pictures, however it would be nice to publish the original text in the books, but I think this would take to long, although it does make for very interesting reading. Best Regards Ash. Midcalf
 http://www.birdcheck.co.uk/main/Page11.htm
===Marsh Tit Poecile palustris===
 http://www.mangoverde.com/birdsound/spec/spec160-2.html 
===Биоразнообразие===
 http://www.tigis.dvo.ru/TumenProject_r/SW_EIMS/ Biodiversity/Fauna/Birds/BFa_Birds.htm
En ĉiu libro mia aperas la formo Palus palustris (ekz. "Zootaksonomio" 1993 por studentoj).
Jam aperis en pli fruaj libroj la formo FOLIARPARUO. (The Marsh Tit is not a bird of marshes at all but is most likely to be found in mature deciduous woodland or parkland. ) Tiu ĉi paruo vivas NE EN MARĈO, pingloarbo, fragmito ktp, sed en la arbaro falfolia. Tio ĉi povis esti la kaŭzo por la esperanta nomo. RK
thread_title: ''Poecile palustris''

message: http://www.birdguides.com/html/vidlib/species/Parus_palustris.htm
	  	
 Tits
 Marsh Tit
 Parus palustris 	
 en Marsh Tit, 
 da Sumpmejse, 
 nl Glanskopmees, 
 fi Viitatiainen, 
 fr Mésange nonnette, 
 de Sumpfmeise, 
 it Cincia bigia, 
 no Løvmeis, 
 es Carbonero palustre, 
 sv Entita
The Marsh Tit is not a bird of marshes at all but is most likely to be found in mature deciduous woodland or parkland. Its pattern of black cap, white cheeks and brown back is found in only one other British bird, the very similar Willow Tit. The Marsh Tit is however, the smarter, neater, slimmer of the two with a glossy black cap and short, neat black bib - altogether a more dapper-looking bird.
Breeds and winters in mature broad-leaved woodlands.
A fairly widespread bird over most of England and Wales, but in Scotland it's only found in the south-east.
Widespread and likely to be found in woodland areas throughout central Europe.
60 000 territories in Britain, found mainly in the south and south-east. None are found in Ireland.
2.8-4.4 million breeding pairs throughout Europe. They are absent from Finland and most of Spain.
thread_title: Parus palustris

message: http://membres.lycos.fr/listoiseauxmonde/Parid.html
thread_title: Paridae : Remizinae (13 taxons), Parinae (66 taxons)

message: http://www-boone.fnal.gov/cgi-bin/kasper/birds/lists?TYP=1&CAT=N2 
	Paridae Parinae
 ..1.1...	Marsh Tit	Poecile palustris
 ....1...	Eurasian Marsh-Tit	Poecile palustris palustris
 ..1.....	Asian Marsh-Tit	Poecile palustris brevirostris
thread_title: Species Seen in 2 Categories

message: http://www.ornitaxa.com/SM/GenChange/GenericChanges.htm
 pages © Rolf A. de By
The intention of this set of pages is to document changes in the genera to which species have been assigned. To accept or not to accept such changes will always remain to some extent a matter of taste. I did not want to ignore the ornithological literature in this respect, so felt that the best I could do is to value papers and include those that seemed to provide convincing evidence.
Changes here documented have been committed to the main list.
This page set is in an early stage of development.
 http://www.ornitaxa.com/SM/GenChange/GeneraTits.htm
 New name 	  				Vernacular 	Old name
 Poecile palustris  	(Linnaeus)   1758  	Marsh Tit  	Parus palustris Poecile   Kaup  1829
thread_title: Genus changes in bird species 

message: http://www.birdcheck.co.uk/frame.htm 
Please note; due to the fact that there is only me doing/paying for this project, you may have to wait another hundred odd years before I can add any descriptions for each of the bird pictures. My intention originally was to just have the pictures, however it would be nice to publish the original text in the books, but I think this would take to long, although it does make for very interesting reading. Best Regards Ash. Midcalf
 http://www.birdcheck.co.uk/main/Page11.htm
thread_title: The Complete Morris's British Birds 1891

message: http://www.mangoverde.com/birdsound/spec/spec160-2.html
thread_title: Marsh Tit Poecile palustris

message: http://www.tigis.dvo.ru/TumenProject_r/SW_EIMS/ Biodiversity/Fauna/Birds/BFa_Birds.htm
En ĉiu libro mia aperas la formo Palus palustris (ekz. "Zootaksonomio" 1993 por studentoj).
Jam aperis en pli fruaj libroj la formo FOLIARPARUO. (The Marsh Tit is not a bird of marshes at all but is most likely to be found in mature deciduous woodland or parkland. ) Tiu ĉi paruo vivas NE EN MARĈO, pingloarbo, fragmito ktp, sed en la arbaro falfolia. Tio ĉi povis esti la kaŭzo por la esperanta nomo. RK
thread_title: Биоразнообразие