Fri Apr 28 09:18:14 UTC 2023

lit/21932156.txt

@@ -1060,3 +1060,34 @@ thanks
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 >>21960789
 guenonfag has been spamming his shit for 7 years now and has attracted not 1 person into his schizo postings because once you actually read Guenon, you will know how much of a brainlet he was.
+--- 21962036
+>>21958971
+anyone got a pdf?
+--- 21962282
+>>21958971
+thanks anon, i will check it out
+--- 21962305
+>>21932156 (OP)
+Loved him in Star Wars
+--- 21962353
+>>21962305
+kek
+--- 21962641
+another guenonian blunder, the so-called 'informal manifestation' and 'universal/supraindividual intellect', which are just products of guenon's imagination
+>Informal manifestation in the Advaita Vedānta?
+
+"One of the misconceptions into which Guenonians who improvise themselves as "experts" on Vedānta invariably - and stubbornly - fall, along with the evergreen of the Samkara śaiva et similia, is the categorization whereby there would be above formal manifestation, i.e., individual or characterized by the conditions of name and form (nāma-rūpa), an informal manifestation. This would allow Samkara's Vedānta to fit into the more familiar ternary concept of body, soul, spirit. Accompanying this idea as a corollary is that of the assimilation of the notion of buddhi to that of "universal intellect." 
+
+Too bad that Samkara makes it explicitly clear that everything that is not Brahman is nāma-rūpa. The saṃsāra is, therefore, only formal or individual, consisting of name and form. The Deva themselves are jīva. Moksa is indeed liberation from the erroneous notion (mithyajnāna), "I am a pramatā," that is, from the adhyāsa whereby one mistakes Ātman for aham, the very situation in which one finds oneself as an individual. And it is no accident that Samkara always uses "buddhi" as the individual faculty of deliberation, of thought, nothing else.
+
+"Nothing but Brahman can be different from name and form, since the whole of creation consists of a manifestation of name and form." BSŚBh 1:3,41
+
+But that which is not Brahman is false and unreal, that is, it is māyā: "it appears - it is perceived - but it does not exist." Nāma-rūpa is thus a māyā, a mere illusion (BSŚBh 2,2,2). This is because it is not the product or a dynamic inherent in Reality, but rather an erroneous way of knowing Reality. "
+--- 21962739
+>>21939889
+Bruh
+--- 21963935
+>>21957919
+as already said here >>21958971 
+his critique of modernity from various angles is spot on
+the problem is the arbitrary use of symbolical analogies (vide. the King of the World) and his 'metaphysical' system (which is more of a cosmological one, and yes, it's a system, even if he denied it) a is flawed one

lit/21936988.txt

@@ -460,3 +460,37 @@ https://www.universiteitleiden.nl/en/education/study-programmes/summer-schools/s
 >>21961398
 >many Classics programs don't even require Greek or Latin
 >which I don't mind
+--- 21962554
+>ἤτοι ὃ μὲν κόρυθος φάλον ἤλασεν ἱπποδασείης 
+>ἄκρον ὑπὸ λόφον αὐτόν, ὃ δὲ προσιόντα μέτωπον 
+>ῥινὸς ὕπερ πυμάτης· λάκε δ’ὀστέα, τὼ δέ οἱ ὄσσε 
+>πὰρ ποσὶν αἱματόεντα χαμαὶ πέσον ἐν κονίῃσιν
+jayzus
+I wish the movie was this brutal
+--- 21962568
+>>21961398
+>many Classics programs don't even require Greek or Latin
+Lmao. Even monolingual English majors are required to take 2 years of a foreign language to graduate (nevertheless you can still get an A in said courses even if you have the thickest accent and can barely read/write in it)
+--- 21962676
+>>21937823
+I don't know anything about Latin as I'm not studying it, but just considering how Latin essentially remained a lingua franca up until a couple hundred years ago, doesn't that in itself disprove what this guy said? I don't believe any of those guys were native speakers.
+--- 21963391
+>>21962568
+>Even monolingual English majors are required to take 2 years of a foreign language to graduate 
+That still exists at my school, but the Classics department doesn't specifically require Greek and Latin for some majors and minors. Also, there is a language exemption for people with learning disabilities, but people don't often use that.
+--- 21964482
+>>21962676
+I mean I guess technically there was a chain of teachers so to speak that spoke Latin near native level who taught others who taught others etc... all the way from the classical period itself(even if technically the language "died"), whereas many today learn Latin alone with no teacher just using a more mechanical approach of reading translations of words.
+But then again that's gonna be just the beginning, you start with translations but at some point when you start reading more and more the meaning of words will begin to be internalized through a more contextual understanding.
+It's just harder for dead languages with no teacher but still.
+--- 21964633
+>>21964482
+>whereas many today learn Latin alone with no teacher
+Not true. Very few people learn Latin on their own. Most of them don't get halfway through their grammar or stop doing Duolingo (lmao) before making it 6 weeks.
+--- 21964638
+>>21964633
+>Most of them
+Most of the self-taught students
+--- 21964687
+>>21964633
+most people hate sitting down and reading a good book and learning something new, so it's not suprising

lit/21952985.txt

@@ -174,9 +174,6 @@ I have a plan and I'm going to execute it. we will read the most influential boo
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 >>21952985 (OP)
 Too many r*dditrefugees, also have you seen our faggot jannies that turned this board to shit for free.
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->>21953083
-Nobody even talks about books written by authors from here, why would you think this place is actually going to start thriving?
 --- 21953744
 The currently failing Old Testament reading book club is disappointing.
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@@ -185,9 +182,6 @@ The currently failing Old Testament reading book club is disappointing.
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 >>21953721
 I liked Infinite Money Jest and Chicken World just fine. Latter has the touch of genius, but kinda cackhanded, former pretty professional without aiming too high.
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->>21953757
-I gotta get a copy of Chicken World!
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 >>21953744
 the bible is a disappointment
@@ -295,67 +289,22 @@ Thank you for your kind words anon. Glad it resonates with you. I'm extremely fo
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 >>21955190
 I wanna hear more on your thoughts about this. Do you think there is a solution or examples outside of 4chan of old internet antiquity. I always associate Minecraft with the rise and fall of the internet, it came really around the last hurrah, and the nostalgia and aesthetic of it + the change as Microsoft slowly eradicated it really seems to be a nice test case / isolated example of the rise and fall. Early Minecraft vs what it is now is like night and day, and all stages of it really correlate to the state of the internet. Not /lit/ related but I am curious if anyone else has examples like that or just more thoughts on the whale fall of the internet.
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->>21955592
-Just look at this board, if you're a writer, anonymous people here just attack you and talk shit. There are no organic communities and the crab-in-bucket mentality rules all.
-
-When you're not anonymous, you just get banned, and when you're on an anonymous forum, the loser crabs just attack anyone who stands out from the crowd.
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 >>21955641
 You just suck at writing, Jason. This board has tried to push you into improving for years now but we've figured out that you're just too retarded. If you want a hugbox, go back to Reddi--oh wait hahahahah
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 >>21955190
 Https makes an independent internet impossible
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->>21955827
-The Shitkickers is a 5-star book:
-https://a.co/d/bfDaICM
-
-City of Singles, which I didn't even edit, would have a higher rating if I didn't have so many troll 1-star reviews.
-
-The 2nd edition of City of Singles is just about done, and it is so, so, so much better. I think it also completely vindicates me as being right, again, in my predictions, as in 2023 the dating market by all accounts is completely fucked. 
-
-https://medium.com/hello-love/study-predicts-45-of-women-will-be-single-by-2030-1fbc99bad6a8
-
-The birth rates in places like B.C. are an abysmal 1.17
-
-https://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=mcafee&type=E210US91166G0&p=bc+birth+rate
->South Korea is less than 1.0
-
-Where's your books, faggot? Oh wait, you're a nothing and a nobody.
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 >>21956062
 post full pdf or epub of shitkickers and i'll read it with an open mind
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->>21956113
-ePub:
-https://afterworkfreeporn.com/The-Shitkickers-Amazon-Version-Ready.epub
-
-PDF:
-https://afterworkfreeporn.com/FINISHED-AMAZON-VERSION.pdf
-
-Enjoy! There are several /lit/ easter eggs in the book, the easiest one to spot is probably the Gardner COTC reference.
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 >>21956200
 >After work free porn
 Oh c'mon I don't want viruses.
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->>21956214
-I don't have viruses or any BS on my site.
->an honest smut dealer
-I just posted a mirror on my paranormal test site:
->epub
-https://ghostfriendly.com/The-Shitkickers-Amazon-Version-Ready.epub
->pdf
-https://ghostfriendly.com/FINISHED-AMAZON-VERSION.pdf
-
-Wordpress on my personal site, jason-bryan.com, won't allow PDF or epub uploads and the FTP is somehow fucking fucked so I can't link it from my personal site, but I can use FTP for my domains hosted on the same account. I'll have to ask my host why, kind of annoying.
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 >>21953240
 Unreal Press’s doxxing campaign is ruining this board.
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->>21956285
-I've been doxxed so many times and absolutely nothing has happened as a result of it.
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 >>21955592
 (1/2)
@@ -400,9 +349,6 @@ I know this is bait but these kind of people are literally the ones ruining ever
 >>21954613
 >>21954966
 The 20th for Quixote it is then. But I really wish it were sooner since I am 150 pages in rn.
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->>21956718
-I visited /b/ recently and it is a complete shitshow compared to pre-2016
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 >>21956583
 >>>/pol/
@@ -445,50 +391,28 @@ well there are few good thread coming up, possible group reading of don quixote
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 >>21957047
 you know why
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->>21957078
-We're at the end of history, nobody gives a fuck anymore about anything... just give people vidya, booze, weed, porn and a society to conform into... and that's it, the establishment won! Trannies on ALL the beers!
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 >>21957224
 my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
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 >>21954248
 Evola discussion has died down. Keep up.
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->>21957246
-Hey, I did post a couple links to the full The Shitkickers book above. You could be reading it tonight and having a laugh!
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 >>21957308
 kys
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->>21957319
-You are a complete fucking faggot. I posted a book I lovingly crafted and posted for free, while you are nothing more than a piece of shit who doesn't write and tells an actual, real author, to kill himself on a literature board.
-
-You should kill YOURSELF, I'm going to keep writing, bitch.
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 >>21957325
 you should keep writing, but don't fucking dare to shill your book to me
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 >>21953744
 what did you expect? /pol/tards only like christianity for the aesthetics. it's all an act.
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->>21957330
-It's free you fucking loser. Free. How is it SHILLING you stupid fuck when it is FREE you absolute fucking loser?
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 >>21957334
 if I want to read it, then I'll read it. who the fuck are you? telling me what to do. what a miserable life you have
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->>21957337
-You fucking loser, I dropped the link to my 2nd novel that I spent countless hours writing, so that people here could read a book by an independent artist and be entertained. The book has some nods to the culture from /lit/ and /pol/, and you tell me to kys?
-
-Do you ever wonder why the literary world and entertainment business is full of faggots, cunts, kikes, niggers and every other mystery meat but very few straight white guys? YOU ARE THE REASON FAGGOT. YOU FUCKING LOSER.
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 >>21957344
 I understand that you are a human being (mentally deranged as you might be) and you care about things, in your case, your book. but you can't just fucking insult me and tell me to read your book.
 and I love independent artists btw.
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->>21957362
-kys
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 >>21952985 (OP)
 >no question begging bait OPs
@@ -510,12 +434,6 @@ Also, going on racist/sexist/homophobic tirades is not a good look if you want t
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 >>21957420
 this is what I wanted to say, thank you for this. I hope he acts rationally
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->>21957426
->>21957420
-There is no path to being a "writer" when you're banned from all social media already anyways. I'm already an outcast, and I'm fine with it, but this fucking faggot told me to KYS after I posted a book for people to enjoy, for free!
-
-Straight up FUCK that piece of complete shit crab.
 --- 21957453
 >>21957431
 look m8, I appreciate you for posting you book for the enjoyment of people, "for free!!". But why are you being so aggressive? I apologies for telling you to kys. I hope you get better. no joke, no troll
@@ -528,19 +446,12 @@ See, he didn't even need me to prod him. Good on ya anon!
 --- 21957464
 >>21957454
 I do apologies. I don't like to hurt people's feelings (believe it or not), and I do regret offending him. I can see that he is not in his best state of mind and I hope he gets better
---- 21957492
->>21957464
-I mean, why would you tell an author on a literature board to kill themselves after they are giving a gift to the people of the board? Like are you fucked in the head or something? Why are you a fucking crab?
 --- 21957505
 >>21957492
 meds, now!!
 --- 21957511
 >>21957492
 you are beyond redemption
---- 21957516
->>21957511
->>21957505
-You people make this board so shit. What a useless fucking place full of losers.
 --- 21957517
 >>21957308
 >>21957319
@@ -568,9 +479,6 @@ You should ALL kill yourselves (especially the guy who goes on about crabs)
 --- 21957526
 >>21957516
 What is your major malfunction?
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->>21957517
-Jewish shillslop?
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 >>21957517
 anon it's not fake, that jason guy or whatever his name is, he's calling me a crab. kek
@@ -580,24 +488,10 @@ i think he's trying to use the analogy of 'crabs in a bucket'
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 >>21957516
 pls eat a creampie and chill, cuck
---- 21957654
->>21957587
-You do realize that if you're a straight white male writer there are SO few groups or organizations that will actually promote your work, right?
-
-If I were a queer black woman, it would be SO much easier to get my work out into the world. SO many organizations that would tweet and talk about your work.
-
-As a straight white male, literally there are no organizations designed to help promote art by your group. None.
 --- 21957664
 >>21957654
 >If I were a queer black woman
 you can become one if you want
---- 21957678
->>21957664
-It's just funny to witness how there is ZERO support for the straight white male artist. You cannot be based on social media, you cannot find any organization to promote your shit. You are completely and totally alone if you are not beholden to some kike organization or some mainstream publisher that will cancel your ass the moment you step out of the cathedral.
-
-There is a total stranglehold on culture, and even in the dark places of the internet full of fellow outcasts, you can't get any support. I don't think a single person even read my free book from here.
-
-I mean, if you ever complain about shit being woke or the themes in modern TV and movies, you only have yourself to blame. There are brilliant writers like myself with fresh ideas and dissenting views, but if we have nobody to pump our tires, you get the goyslop media you deserve.
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 >>21957678
 I'll read your book anon, don't worry
@@ -619,22 +513,6 @@ it could be done
 >>21957791
 >>21957745
 basically, we need to gatekeep /lit/ more. if you keep your house open, all sorts of faggots will come in and shit all over it
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->>21957745
-Some good ideas, anon. I'll try my best to not get angry and drop slurs. I spend like 90% of my time on this board anonymously encouraging other people to write and to enjoy an adventurous life in a time where everything is as corporate, sterile and cucked as possible.
-
->>21957708
-I am confident that if people actually read my book, they will like it. It really gets fucking crazy after the 1st act. Very proud of my work. It is a dark book with a little humour mixed in.
---- 21957823
->>21957795
-Would be nice if people could be a little more kind to each other. We're mostly all here because regular society has deemed us as outcasts. I remember when I stood outside the government liquor store in Westbank Kelowna, in about 4 hours on the Friday from 6 PM-10 PM in -15 weather, then the next day, Saturday, it was even colder and I stood outside for 6 hours holding my sign. I made $300 + some tips, and the first thing my mother-in-law said when she heard about the money I made was "Why doesn't he get a job driving a truck or something?"
-
-It wasn't "oh, he sold 15 books standing in front of a liquor store?" It was right away a dig at me for even trying to do art. I looked up local truck driving jobs for kicks and the wages out here were like $20 an hour to drive a truck. Only $6 an hour more than the $14 an hour I made driving a truck nearly 25 years ago when my rent was only $400 a month and you could buy like 4-5 bags of groceries for $50.
-
-People like us truly have nobody on our side, at all.
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->>21957823
-The best part is, I actually did apply for a bunch of driving jobs because I love my family. I got 3 interviews and all three required the COVID vaxx. Fuck that shit. I did manage to score a part time job and I made a living this winter shoveling snow for like 7-9 hours a day. Would be nice to be able to make money with my strongest asset, my mind, but when you're banned everywhere on social media, it is difficult to sell a book.
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 >>21957678
 Have you tried to get your work publish at all? Just because you heard that they "don't accept manuscripts from straight white male artist" doesn't mean you shouldn't try (unless you have already). 
@@ -646,29 +524,9 @@ Dude wtf is this? The first sentence doesn't even make sense.
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 >>21952985 (OP)
 Do you mean bullying book reviewers on YouTube?
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->>21957845
-I've been to several Writer's Fest type events, at least a dozen since 2015, and I was the only straight white guy at nearly every one of them.
-
-When I was trying to hire an editor before, I had about 2-3 replies in a couple of months.
->I switched the ad to a gay sounding name like Starla Wonderchild or something equally mystical and gay, then advertised I was working on an LGBT novel and needed and editor and I had 50+ applications in like 2 days.
-
-I don't believe for a second that a straight white guy with even mild dissenting views like mine would ever get published traditionally. I'm not even allowed on social media, either. It's completely fucking useless to try the mainstream route because there is no organization that would take the risk of working with me JUST on my anti-COVID vaccine stance. That alone makes me untouchable, let alone my views that Canada has been completely sold out and that we are in a generational war of the old and established VS the young and totally ass-fucked.
-
-I mean, sure, I could try a pen name and pretend to be someone else to get published, but that feels like a total bitch move. Why would I want to hide? Because I'm a non-person in the conformist world of 2023?
-
-Is there even a SINGLE "rebellious" publishing house? When I toured all of the bookstores in my hometown of Vancouver, every single one was extremely woke and had tons of commie shit on the windows, the books front and center were all "decolonize" and other bullshit. Then when I moved to Kelowna, I hit the bookstores up locally and every single one was also extremely woke, then I joined a couple of book clubs and all four of them only wanted to read books about queerness and First Nations stories. I'm not opposed to broadening my horizons, but when the ENTIRE community and industry is hyper-focused on woke performative shit, it is hard to even want to be a part of it.
-
-Hell, when I stuck around for the lectures and workshops at the Writer's Fest in either 2017 or 2018, I shit you not that each speaker that got up on stage ALL OF THEM did a land acknowledgement. I sat through like 3 hours of speakers and must have heard "I'd like to acknowledge that I'm speak on native land of the Fiefhweflwsehfwefhow people", I almost thought I was watching a parody sketch. Do we need to know we're on "native land" more than a dozen times in 3 hours? What kind of ass-fuckery is this?
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->>21957855
-"The vigilante story is well-worn and used, it is still a popular topic, however, as I pour my own version into the literary world."
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 >>21957855
 what did he mean by this?
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->>21957884
-"The vigilante story is well-worn and used, it is still a popular topic, however, as I pour my own version into the literary world."
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 >>21957870
 Still doesn't make it good. 
@@ -684,24 +542,6 @@ it didn't happen that often
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 >>21957889
 what did he mean by this?
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->>21957906
-"shitty prose"
-
-Get fucked loser, read the fucking book. It is excellent writing and these fucking idiots have only criticized the opening line because they are fucking morons who need to be spoon-fed. It's hard to be intelligent and have to write for an audience of fucking morons.
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->>21957906
-Are you a fucking moron? What about 2023 tells you that a straight white male writer with dissenting views can get a fair shake? I'm not even allowed on social media you fucking idiot, why would any mainstream publishing company even look at my shit when they can publish some tranny who wrote 30 chapters about the smell of their neo-vagina and easily sell it and market it, when how the FUCK are they going to market a book called "The Shitkickers" to an audience of mostly women you absolute fucking retard? Name ONE traditionally published alternative writer?
-
-You're clearly delusional if you think dissenting voices have any fucking place in modern, traditional publishing. We do not even have a place on social media, instead, we have shitholes like this with complete faggots who do nothing but attack you over the opening line of your book because they are too stupid to understand shit without being spoon-fed.
-
-Next book I'll make sure to write for a dumber fucking audience.
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->>21957995
->>21957991
-Go fuck yourselves, I'm going back to lurking, but instead of encouraging people to write and telling people to follow their dreams, I'm going to shit all over them, tell them they are NEVER going to make it, and tell them to kill themselves. I sincerely hope I can bully someone into actually taking their fucking lives, that would be funny!
-
-Fuck all of you faggots, I'm going to enjoy anonymously shitting all over people who aspire to write on here. I'm going to become the Megacrab.
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 >>21957975
 >>21957982
@@ -758,23 +598,11 @@ Jason is a dumb cunt who thinks art works like porn affiliate marketing. But hey
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 >>21953346
 this isn't /book/, it's /lit/. sci-fi isn't literature. kys
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->>21959571
-Kill yourself faggot.
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->>21958121
-Kill yourself nigger.
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->>21953346
-Kill yourself loser.
 --- 21960227
 >>21958251
 >I don't want to get doxxed
 Yeah nobody cares who you are and here's a huge cyber security tip never use the same username and have several unconnected burner emails. 
 Congrats you just protected yourself from the doxing ability of 99% of the internet, outside of being fished or releasing personal info yourself you are practically undoxable.
---- 21960231
->>21960227
-How about you just kill yourself?
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 >>21952985 (OP)
 >implying that tradlarpers haven't saved the board
@@ -785,9 +613,6 @@ It didn't need saving, but now it needs saving from them.
 >>21953894
 >>21955532
 At least some anons get it. There's no beating this board with Cioran, Land, Mishima, Evola and Spengler. Enough about Lolita and Blood fucking Meridian already.
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->>21960298
-Just end it all, anon, you know you want to
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 >>21960298
 >Cioran, Land, Mishima, Evola and Spengler
@@ -842,18 +667,6 @@ I've been out for a while. What happened with the plotinus one? Did y'all akshua
 As a /lit/ OG, who barely even bothers to lurk here anymore, let alone post, this is true. 
 
 And most of the people talking about a return to /lit/'s glory days would go insane with how slow the board used to be. The sticky still talks about this place being slow, but it's light years faster now than what it once was.
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->>21960626
->>21960654
->>21960743
->>21960807
->>21960976
->>21961059
->>21961070
->>21961084
->>21961106
-kys
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 >>21961111
 kys to you too fren
@@ -866,9 +679,6 @@ Alright, I'll start the Magic Mountain reading myself.
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 >>21961232
 thanks, I'll join
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->>21961232
-Kill yourself faggot nigger
 --- 21961244
 No its not the purpose of the 4chan psyop is to destroy the lives of young men and erode society. 4chan will only get progressively worse as ot poisons everything it touches. Get out while you are not totally idocraced beyond salvation.
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@@ -890,9 +700,6 @@ i don't know anon, what is your opinion
 Jason Bryan, on this very board two years ago:
 
 >I won't make a single thread about [The Shitkickers] myself. You can mark my words. I hate Gardner and Waldun and everyone else who forces their mediocre writing with incessant threads as much as you do. My plan is simply to buy ads. If it catches on, it will be because people have seen its merit for themselves. If not, it will quietly fade away and never be seen here again.
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->>21961328
-kys
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 >>21961337
 Take cover! It's the Megacrab!
@@ -915,25 +722,9 @@ Now, as for the rest of it... mama mia, the proses...
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 >>21961362
 To be honest you're right; but if I ever wanted to be taken seriously as an author I would never use "uwu" in my novel.
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-kys
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->>21961362
-lol I haven't seen a single person quote anything beyond the first page
-
-kys
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 >>21961368
 Well, see now JB here is blazing a new path -- paved with self-pity and strewn with expired redpills -- and turning his back on establishment trifles like grammar, tenses and taste. He's the truth-slinging outlaw of Gastown, the coke dick crusader, the midlife crisis supernova set to swallow all of British Columbia. You come at the king...
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->>21961368
-You guys are total faggots, I'm going to just keep writing but profit off porn while you people struggle to even get 10 readers with your shit books
-
-If you DO get any following, it is because you study what the market wants and needs and you'll write for a market and not for yourself, your writing will be the equivalent of flipping burgers at McDonald's because nothing you do will be from the heart, it will be written for a market for profit and not because you genuinely believe in your work or pour your heart out.
-
-Fuck you all
 --- 21961477
 >>21961429
 Yes Jason; but never call yourself a good author who "is based and redpilled". 
@@ -947,15 +738,6 @@ How does one get this delusional? You're such a huge pussy Jason. It's like you'
 --- 21961482
 >>21961477
 Uh, Shitsisters... our response?
---- 21961497
->>21961479
-Did you take your vaccine faggot bitch?
---- 21961500
->>21961477
-Wasn't me nigger kike, I'm banned from Goodread since 2013, lifetime ban for saying "50 Shades of Grey is for fat women who wish they could be slutsd"
-
-
-kys
 --- 21961521
 >>21961500
 Jason you're lying and you know it.
@@ -966,18 +748,6 @@ Hey guys! It's me, Jason Bryan, peddler of gay erotica!
 >>21961521
 >jasonjuststopbroplease.png
 you really have to stop jason. you are permanently damaging your reputation for no gain
---- 21961540
->>21961521
-kys
-
-Why wouldn't I promote faggotry if I wrote it, retard?
-
-So much easier to sell books about being a tranny or a faggot than a straight white male
---- 21961543
->>21961537
-What reputation? Like I give a fuck at all, I am already banned everywhere, I have zero ability to speak online outside of here and YouTube comments
-
-kys
 --- 21961544
 well this thread derailed
 --- 21961547
@@ -1008,9 +778,6 @@ as the anon said above:
 >Any self-promotion outside of /WG/ because fuck Card, Gardner and Ma
 >Any post on /WG/ that amounts to "Nobody will make it", "You are shit" and other crab bullshit because it's gotten to the point some threads don't have anything posted because of those faggots
 >A general for "showing off": book editions, shelf threads etc.
---- 21961609
->>21961593
-kys
 --- 21961612
 >>21961601
 On that remark, I meant to say that most of all the boards here have become worse; not just the academic boards. Is 2023 the worst year for 4chan?
@@ -1029,9 +796,6 @@ Will, there's a website called wapchan thats already planning to have a /lit/ bo
 
 link:
 test dot wapchan dot org slash lit slash
---- 21961634
->>21961628
-kys
 --- 21961635
 >>21961621
 A chan with different boards depending on the topic at hand (scripture, philosophy, drama, fiction, poetry, nonfiction, etc) would be ideal, but yeah, getting it going would be real tough.
@@ -1083,10 +847,6 @@ https ://4chanarchives. com /board/ lit/ thread /7380 990
 --- 21961744
 >>21961721
 nostalgic : (
---- 21961748
->>21961744
->>21961723
-kys faggots
 --- 21961809
 >>21961652
 I started browsing /lit/ during the heyday of accelerationism and cosmotechnics/spacetaoism on /lit/. People were more articulate and erudite, and you could have interesting discussions on even the more obscure thinkers. These days a thread about Kant or Hegel will be 95% /pol/lacks shitposting.
@@ -1099,3 +859,226 @@ Its really something you just kinda had to be there to understand.
 --- 21961867
 >>21961840
 Anon, I was there in the early years. And I ain't necessarily proud of it. But 4chan hasn't changed much on a macro level. Yeah, /lit/ was better back in the day, yeah /x/ used to be more original, /asp/ was funnier than /pw/, but overall there was stupid, overused meme spam back then and there's cancerous meme spam now. It's just a different flavour.
+--- 21962103
+>>21955190
+It's not, you've just been browsing the same dozen or so sterilized websites for over a decade and now you've been shut out of niche internet culture. You want the old days? They exist, small forums still exist, personal websites still exist, but no. You're comfortable here on 4chan, on reddit, Facebook, etc. and now you're bitching that the culture has changed. It has, you're just too much of a normie to see that you've also changed. If you want that niche internet culture, go find it. Otherwise, stay on your precious Mongolian basket weaving forum, old man.
+--- 21962321
+>>21952985 (OP)
+>glory days
+Lol there are no glory days.
+Board was made to late for it to develop any culture of its own.
+--- 21962417
+>>21962321
+/thread
+--- 21962420
+>>21962417
+thread
+--- 21962780
+>>21962321
+>>21962417
+>>21962420
+Zoomies mad!
+Five and ten year olds when we wuz a damn good board. Now that you’re here, the place is shit.
+--- 21962809
+>>21953134
+Most of that is /pol/ shit except for the favorite quotes and passages thread. The janny is doing his job, that shit shouldn't be clogging up a board that's intended to discuss literature.
+>b-but it indirectly relates 
+Kill yourself
+--- 21962829
+>>21953209
+This for Ulysses, Moby Dick, Stoner, White Noise, Magic Mountain, Gravitys Rainbow, and Infinite Jest
+--- 21962946
+>>21962829
+yes but BM thread are keep popping up like hydra agents
+--- 21962955
+>>21956644
+Found this website by chance, with the Surprise me option of the SE, it's hilarious
+http://www.rinkworks.com/bookaminute/classics.shtml
+--- 21963645
+>>21962829
+>Stop discussing literature
+You are the problem
+--- 21963725
+/lit/ is a noreads board
+it's that simple
+people larp and use the classics and canon as a fashion accessory like narcissistic women to posture having high intellect and being well read when they're just wikipedia warriors or archive scrollers spouting other peoples opinions
+>X author said this Y philosopher said that
+>im gonna screenshot this anons takedown of an author and use it as ammunition
+the only way this board gets saved is people discussing current literature which won't happen because this is a noreads board and anything that comes out isn't worth reading because it's not dostoevsky or melville
+--- 21964324
+Well it's official, no real solution other then:
+
+MAKE MORE GOOD THREADS AND KEEP IT GOOD!
+--- 21964450
+>>21962103
+Yeah I still post on an obscure anime forum that's been around since 2008 and just the other day on /tv/ someone posted a contemporary old-school gore site. It's out there.
+--- 21964498
+>>21964324
+>this is a slow board
+It was a slow board which could have threads survive for more than a week for quality to persist. That now requires jannies with discernment, taste, and not too heavy a hand. Moderation across the site is comped, so the odds of that apart from some concerted infiltration effort is off the table.
+--- 21964664
+Is there a reason why these shills are so narcissistic?
+--- 21964694
+You would first need to purge all remnants of /pol/ and /r9k/, and then anyone who discovered 4chan from tumblr, twitter, reddit, instagram, or tiktok.
+--- 21964699
+>>21964694
+what are the kosher ways of discovering 4chan?
+--- 21964701
+>>21964699
+from something awful forums and encyclopedia dramatica in the 2000s
+--- 21964705
+>>21964699
+by looking for 4 Jackie Chan best movies
+--- 21964714
+>>21964701
+I came here from SA and I'm very /pol/ although I find actual /pol/ unusable
+--- 21964728
+>>21964664
+>JDC
+>Gardner
+>Unreal Press
+Any other wannabe ecelebs that should be banned on sight?
+--- 21964738
+>>21964699
+I genuinely dont even remember how I found it. I think the first time I ever stumbled across /b/ was in 2007 but I dont remember what linked me there. It was probably something like funnyjunk
+--- 21964740
+>>21964728
+>BAP
+>Michelle Ma
+>gay erotica author Jason Bryan
+--- 21964744
+>>21956062
+>The Shitkickers is a 5-star book
+>he says for one review he gave himself
+--- 21964858
+we could always write another Legacy of Totalitarianism in a Tundra
+--- 21964897
+>>21956800
+>/tv/ discussing their favorite movie:
+--- 21964942
+>>21953757
+Was I the only one who thought Chiken World prose was stilted?
+--- 21964954
+>>21964664
+Some are just run-of-the-mill grifters who chanced upon writing as their scam of choice. Then you have the other, sadder category. The genuinely mentally ill. Graphomaniacs and manifesto-pushers, sometimes egged on by anons who profess an infantile penchant for "schizo lit".
+
+Both display a complete ignorance (or utter rejection) of established literary culture. Like any coping hack, they're "above it". "It" might even be a conspiracy to keep them down. They unironically think that the conditions that were in place hundreds if not thousands of years ago, the primordial chaos, can be transposed to 2023 bean-counter world. The grifters believe in the "Old Weird America" snake oil method of making it big, which they hilariously apply to literature of all things. The schizos see themselves as standing shoulder to shoulder with the Penguin Classics of the past who bravely defied the Roman Empire, the Church, the Soviet censors. In total contrast to any normal human being's response, they take the blanket indifference to their "work" as a sign that they're right. "They" are stamping out fresh ideas and dissenting views. If only "they" listened. Why won't "they" listen?
+
+But the most interesting cases are the ones who mix a bit of both into a daring synthesis. Take our guy Jason Bryan here. In his mid-30s, he basically tanked his entire career (if not his life) to "speak the truth" about... dating in Vancouver. By his own admission, he gets thrown out of every website he frequents. The man is insane. Nothing he writes will ever match up to the rubbernecking pleasures involving the unmitigated disaster that is his life, the details of which we're generously treated to whenever he suffers a manic episode.
+
+For every eccentric genius there's a million non-geniuses; plain weirdos who should be kept away from children and vacuum cleaners.
+--- 21964955
+>>21957325
+Thank you. Will read next.
+--- 21964963
+>>21957855
+Is he ESL?
+--- 21964981
+>>21957855
+>>21957870
+Now these are some deep plots.
+
+If the first line is this pregnant with meaning, imagine the rest of the book!
+--- 21965004
+>>21964752
+you are absolutely retarded
+--- 21965013
+>>21952985 (OP)
+OP here, how tf is this thread still going, don't you faggots have work or reading to do?
+--- 21965024
+>>21965004
+kys
+--- 21965026
+>>21952985 (OP)
+>death in venice
+LMFAO
+--- 21965032
+Look how they massacred my boy...
+--- 21965036
+>>21965032
+>Look how they massacred my boy...
+what did he mean by this?
+--- 21965037
+>>21965034
+Jason, why are you capping your own posts and pretending to laugh at yourself? It this some cool new marketing strategy?
+--- 21965038
+Kek, his posts got deleted!
+Luckily, I was busy screenshotting this thread.
+--- 21965040
+>>21965036
+he got snuffed
+--- 21965045
+>>21965037
+I'm not Jason, I just screencap interesting threads. I screencapped the guy who bought "elephant hide" Lord of the Rings edition, too, actually.
+--- 21965046
+>>21965038
+too much effort, seek grass
+--- 21965047
+>>21962829
+Moby dick, GR and Ulysses aren't nearly as constantly gay
+--- 21965056
+>thread snatched from of the jaws o' bump limit death because JB got got
+MODS=GODS
+--- 21965061
+>>21965046
+Jason, it's against the rules to evade bans.
+--- 21965062
+>>21965056
+kek'd
+--- 21965066
+>>21965061
+that's me, the OP you moron. jason is not here
+--- 21965078
+>>21965066
+>jason is not here
+That's exactly what Jason would say
+--- 21965085
+>>21965078
+lamo, he would've said:
+>kys kys kys
+>faggot kys
+>crab
+
+it's fascinating how mentally unstable people think
+--- 21965095
+>>21963645
+Discuss literature, sure, but its the same circle jerked books and you're lying to yourself if you pretend there's no echo chamber
+--- 21965119
+>>21965095
+then introduce new books to /lit/, make threads about them, let us know your taste. it will inspire at the very least one anon to read the book
+--- 21965120
+>>21959480
+i miss world4ch
+--- 21965141
+>>21965120
+>the world you grew up in, no longer exists
+--- 21965155
+>>21962955
+>A screaming thing comes across the sky. It's a V-2 rocket carrying twelve thousand pounds of symbolism, and it's coming down on your poor, deluded, postmodern head.
+
+>>21965141
+Was that a post successful screen? I only remember the "here comes a chopper" and "flag on the moon... how did it get there?" ones
+--- 21965163
+>>21965155
+idk anon
+--- 21965341
+>>21964897
+Yeah /tv/ has really gone to shit since about 2017, worst part is that all this "woke" "pozzed" race swapped shit just keeps bringing more and more of /pol/ over. Now we got Vidya shit bringing over /v/ and /a/ posters, even more recently we got Fishtank and Oppenheimer shills destroying the board.
+Honestly what I am dreading more than anything is whatever the fuck Amazon or Netflix or whomever is doing with Warhammer. We had that announcement, just the announcement that they were doing something with that IP, we didn't even know if it was /co/, /a/ or /tv/. Within minutes those motherfucking /tg/ spergs were spamming thread after thread before they finally made a general to discuss Warhammer on fucking /tv/. Even still they had the gall to complain about the Avatar 2fags. Avatar 2 something that has been a meme on /tv/ for over a decade.
+--- 21965343
+>>21965341
+>faggot /pol/whiner "oldfag here" is a reddit spacer 
+die of AIDS pussy, /tv/ is great
+--- 21965346
+>>21965341
+you need to off this website anon, for your own good. touch some grass
+--- 21965351
+>>21965343
+coping hard
+--- 21965357
+>>21965343
+>faggot /pol/whiner "oldfag here" is a reddit spacer
+Kek its turning into /v/ for movies. I know you newfags hate being called out but we used to have this thing called board culture and it was a lot more fun when people used to engage with it.
+--- 21965444
+>>21962955
+gold

lit/21954221.txt

@@ -800,3 +800,193 @@ Patrician
 A hindoo lunatic
 >>21961087
 Patrician
+--- 21962033
+>>21961966
+kill yourself retard my taste is literally impeccable
+--- 21962137
+>>21962033
+Pleb
+--- 21962199
+>>21961034
+post body
+--- 21962207
+>>21954221 (OP)
+>post top 5
+lol, like i'd tell you my favorite books, that would require a sort of exchange. what i will give you is a fake list. 
+sartor resartus
+a smuggler's bible
+at swim-two birds
+the count of monte christo
+orlando furioso
+--- 21962212
+>>21961759
+New Vegas and Majora's Mask are actually some of the best video games ever tho tbqh desu.
+--- 21962249
+- The Odyssey 
+- The Myth of Sisyphus 
+- The Idiot
+- Lady Chatterly’s Lover
+- Civilization and It’s Discontents
+--- 21962275
+Dune
+Lathe of heaven
+Do androids dream of electric sheep?
+Foundation
+The torah
+--- 21962278
+>>21954221 (OP)
+>The Second Apocalypse
+>Dune
+>The Song of Roland
+>À L'image du Dragon - Serge Brussolo
+>The Long Rain - Bradbury
+--- 21962365
+Dinosaurs Before Dark
+Scream of the Evil Genie
+The Sorcerer in the North
+Excession
+The Titan’s Curse
+--- 21962394
+>>21954221 (OP)
+Day of the Jackal - Frederick Forsyth
+A General Introduction to Psychoanalysis - Freud
+Asterix and Obelix - René Goscinny, Albert Uderzo
+Tintin - Herge
+--- 21962465
+In no particular order
+
+>Dune(Frank Herbert)
+>Do Android Dream of Electric sheep (Phillip K. Dick)
+>Stories of the Steppe (Maxim Gorky)
+>Meditations (Marcus Aurelius)
+>On the Brevity of Life (Seneca)
+--- 21962501
+>Anna Karenina (Tolstoy)
+>The Odyssey (Homer)
+>Lord of the Rings (Tolkien)
+>To Kill a Mockingbird (Lee)
+>Julius Caesar (Shakespeare)
+--- 21962521
+>>21962249
+>Lady Chatterly’s Lover
+I'm about to read it. Is it that good anon?
+--- 21962600
+>>21961966
+>pseuds because they listed books you've never heard of before
+--- 21962611
+>>21958876
+ Based normal guy
+--- 21962623
+>>21954221 (OP)
+>The Book of the New Sun (including Urth)
+>Journey to the End of the Night
+>The Wizard Knight
+>Die 13 1/2 Leben des Käptn Blaubär
+>1001 Nights
+--- 21962630
+>The Lighthouse
+>Emblem of the Stumbler
+>Paulos and Warren: Advanced Applications of Reincarnation
+>Man Bites God
+>Cancer Reigns
+--- 21962808
+>>21962600
+There's nothing particularly obscure in those posts, anonymous. I just have a hard time believing those are really ALL books that, given a terminal diagnosis, those anons would truly think, "I should enjoy what little time I have left. These are the five books that bring me most joy and aren't ones meant to make me seem smart on a Bhutanese fly fishing forum".
+--- 21962834
+1. The Brothers Karamazov 
+2. Ulysses 
+3. The Waves
+4.War and Peace
+5 In Search of Lost Time Vol 1. Swann's Way, maybe also Time Regained (the last volume)
+--- 21963040
+>>21954221 (OP)
+>人類は衰退しました
+>هفت پیکر 
+>Operette Morali
+>Les Deux Étendards
+>New Arabian Nights
+BONUS: The Man Who Was Thursday
+And yes I can actually speak these languages, this isn't a meme list.
+--- 21963177
+>>21954221 (OP)
+Woodcutters
+Murphy
+The Box Man
+One, No One, And One Hundred Thousand
+Zhuangzi
+--- 21963207
+>>21962630
+>Paulos and Warren: Advanced Applications of Reincarnation
+Doesn't exist?
+--- 21963217
+>>21963040
+Persian-French Weeb?
+--- 21963325
+a series of unfortunate events - ersatz elevator 
+dune
+pillars of the earth
+animal farm
+kokoro
+--- 21963395
+>>21963207
+Im writing it now with my best friend Warren
+--- 21963400
+>>21963395
+based
+--- 21963414
+vesaas - the ice palace
+woolf - the waves
+kozstolanyi - skylark
+melville - moby-dick; or, the whale
+bester - the stars my destination
+--- 21963432
+>>21963217
+Yeah my dad was French and my mom was Persian. We lived in Japan for some time and I settled in Italy after my masters.
+--- 21963487
+>>21963177
+>in the wing chair
+but why?
+--- 21963509
+>>21963325
+>a series of unfortunate events - ersatz elevator
+>animal farm
+Asoue's Book 13 (The End) is also very good.
+Based.
+--- 21963573
+>>21954221 (OP)
+1. The Book of Job
+2. Man in the Search for Meaning
+3. Oedipus Rex
+4. Chronicle of a death foretold.
+4.
+--- 21963582
+>>21963573
+and I forgot Storm of Steel
+> Book of Worldy Wisdom & Les Fleurs du Mal come close
+--- 21963639
+>>21963487
+because it is hilarious
+Ohrensessel
+--- 21963950
+I don't have a solid top 5, what I'd call my favorites changes pretty often based on how I'm feeling and what else I'm reading.
+That being said,
+
+Valis
+The Hobbit
+Deimian
+The Things they Carried
+Waiting for Godot
+--- 21964151
+>>21962521
+One of my cornerstones. It’s a really interesting experiment in elevating sexuality to an aesthetic level. I’m very much interested how the body could be elevated instead of degraded and I feel Lawrence does this well in this LCL.
+--- 21964171
+>>21954221 (OP)
+gravity's rainbow - pynchon
+cosmos - gombrowicz
+jr - gaddis
+sound and the fury - faulkner
+2666 - bolaño
+--- 21964194
+>>21961680
+>Under the Volcano
+Bukowski said it blows

lit/21954371.txt

@@ -614,3 +614,408 @@ More to my point, consider someone who hasn't read a novel very well (or at all)
 If someone is confident in their own knowledge/position, then obviously this won't work and if anything will be harmful for your chances of winning, but that's not going to be the case for every debate; even debates where both sides have strong arguments and could easily go back and forth on an issue for hours. Now, confidence and ability are certainly correlated, but an intelligent person with little experience in something might be very unconfident in their ability to debate the subject, and yet still be able to make the inferences and deductions needed to argue at a level significantly above their prior knowledge while a debate is ongoing. Insulting such a person forces them to immediately reckon with whether their position is strong (something which they know they might not be qualified to accurately judge), without giving them time to acclimate to the subject or acquire new information from external sources or other people in the debate.
 
 That doesn't necessarily mean the person doing the insulting is intentionally avoiding a fair debate because they know they'll lose; they might be avoiding it simply out of not wanting to get bogged down in the details of a back-and-forth when they believe they can simply strong-arm their opponent out of the debate with very little effort expended.
+--- 21962133
+>>21955047
+>anymore than I'd waste half an hour explaining that literate Men use the words in the order they mean in order to convey absolute precision.
+
+The best linguistics experts in the word know that they can barely tell you in the general case how it it that a given human, speaking a given language, actually determines the acceptability of a given work choice. Much of how we process and understand language is unconscious and implicit. We have meaningful control over it, and can direct our language faculties to produce sentences we deem to be good at conveying an intended meaning, and more literate speakers will be better at this, but you are greatly overestimating the power of our rational faculties, and putting too much stock in their ability to determine what is and is not acceptable or good.
+
+I'll be blunt, everything I'm reading from you demonstrates to me that you are absolutely a pseud, if you are not deliberately trolling or pretending to be an ignorant and overconfident person. You have only a basic, if not basically corrupted, understanding of epistemology and rhetoric at best, and not the sense or insight to back it up. I doubt if you've ever read a text on classical or modern formal logic at all. You are vastly too trusting in the power of 'proof' to determine arguments dealing with practical matters.
+--- 21962313
+>>21961495
+>>21961458
+>That doesn't necessarily mean the person doing the insulting is intentionally avoiding a fair debate
+Well, I think the ultimate rationale behind all of these examples can be shown to draw back, in each case, to the earlier cause I suggested, that: if a person in their own mind does not know why they hold the belief that they do (or if they hold it nominally ((XYZ)) but for ulterior reasons ((UVW)) they won't admit to) then they 'cannot' articulate their reasoning because they do not have any to articulate. It may be true that, as you say, they just can't be bothered to but I struggle to find examples of this that would tip the scales more over to that (i.e. making that the more probable cause) than to the things I've mentioned as otherwise being the cause.
+
+And I mean at the most fundamental level of a thing; 'if' a person has a belief/position which they cannot articulate then the notion of 'discussing a thing' would not be part of their character (or habit) as they would seek to avoid discussion as a part of their character instead.
+
+> And, simply put, demagoguery works; voters will respond to it
+Sure, but it's always going to be based in an absence of logic; as could as easily be (as you say) "i know i'm right, i don't need to bother" as "i'm going to defraud the public," both for the speaker and for the audience or voter, as the audience or voter will have not learned what it is that they're supporting by having been influenced by character attacks (in the vaudeville sense of politics that Chris Hedges describes) and so will, in turn, possess no comprehension of what/why either.
+
+>The persecution complex and such are really exceptions to the general rule 
+Strongly disagree, it's evidenced constantly; consider political ideologies and religions where the aim is to accrue a narrative of persecution in order to justify XYZ. I could make the case that what we see (with the individual) is them following that example and copying it out, being more interested in performing that play-act than in discovering the actionable cause of their espoused grievance. If you consider it like that then you'll notice it's a vast thing that's spread all over a society and in prominence of influence, and not limited only to one political or religious camp or another the majority of them.
+
+Largely, as you say, because it works - but that 'is' demagoguery and is bad and inferior for all the reasons that are already obvious and the reasons I added which were perhaps less obvious.
+
+e.g. Alcibiades winning votes during his electoral campaign by putting on a great show has, at the same time, consisted in an avoidance of scrutiny of his proposed plans to invade Syracuse. 
+
+That example, compare to the merits of the Iraq War (which was predicted to turn out how it did); if discussion had occurred then the plans may have been revised and improved, to have achieved victory, or scrapped as the costs and consequences would have been revealed.
+--- 21962315
+>>21962133
+You might want to say more about proof and logic before making OP's point for them. Glancing around, it looks like OP puts weight in Chrysippus's logic, which I guess is eary sentential logic?
+--- 21962361
+>>21962133
+>> literate Men use the words in the order they mean in order to convey absolute precision.
+>The best linguistics experts in the word know that they can barely tell you
+
+This is off-topic to this thread and off-topic to grammar vs linguistics:
+
+The person did not possess a functional grasp of English language and believed that the precise language I was using was selected arbitrarily, as if to impress others with large words, demonstrating illiteracy.
+
+If you're suggesting that we cannot use language to conve reasoning or investigate things then.. this is pure fantasy; over-thinking things and 'not' caring about the necessary 'proofs' to 'determine' what the real-world practical matters are.
+
+>You are vastly too trusting in the power of 'proof' to determine arguments dealing with practical matters.
+
+
+>you are absolutely a pseud, if you are not deliberately trolling or pretending to be an ignorant 
+If you want to find some means to justify a character attack against the topic you're going to have to try better than that to get a foot in the door to do so than using an apologism for illiteracy as a premise; you need to find a more functional premise to rest the second paragraph on...
+
+..or don't, because I suspect you're operating on bad faith and you 'are' breaking the off-topic rule anyway so ... i wouldn't bother talking to me if i were you.
+--- 21962381
+>>21962315
+>sentential logic
+Yes, but this is another topic lol
+
+Good Rhetoric being "straight logos" is where your argument, structured, resembles (25+5=30) ("if this"+"and this"="that") whilst arguments that do not follow a proof basis are all automatically non-sequitur in the way they've come to the person in their mind and in the way that proofs are avoided by them; i.e. they do not articulate cases with proofs but seek out ad hominem.
+--- 21962458
+>>21962381
+>Good Rhetoric being "straight logos" is where your argument, structured, resembles (25+5=30) ("if this"+"and this"="that") whilst arguments that do not follow a proof basis are all automatically non-sequitur
+What happens if people disagree on the proof basis? Like if you use ancient sentential logic, but someone else uses the modern form? Are there proofs for the forms of arguments being better or more true, or are they axiomatic?
+--- 21962512
+>>21962458
+>ancient sentential logic
+Largely, as I said earlier, the point of how/why this is the only (or anyway most accurate) method of inquiry is because it literally 'is' the scientific method by which all knowledge of things is reached; once understanding this and that the basis of proper argument/inquiry is to actually 'be right' rather than 'seem to be right' then you arrive at a kind of universal axiom.
+
+The only flw in this is that theaxiom could become dogmatic; to insist upon a thing that was true yesterday but which fuher eidence has shown to be not true, but then we return to the basis of "being right" - or as we've said here, of the 'object' of interest (whether it's to understand a thing and so be happy to be corrected so as to obtain most complete understanding of a thing, i.e. scientific, or whether it's simply social status; to desire to 'seem' as if one is correct in a preheld notion of a thing).
+--- 21962525
+>>21962512
+>Largely, as I said earlier, the point of how/why this is the only (or anyway most accurate) method of inquiry is because it literally 'is' the scientific method by which all knowledge of things is reached
+Could you say more on this? I think above you said it's the closest to modern science. If the logic is "if this" + "and this" = "that" is there any issue with how we know the "if this" is true?
+--- 21962527
+>>21962458
+ed. I mean that it's realizing this >>21962512 that we can then understand the grasp of this in ancient world; when people would have cause to say that (this dialectic) was "the dialectic of the gods" and "felix causas (happy is he who understands the causes of things)," as well as the broader points in Stoicism where "(self) extrication from Pathos" comes into context; to avoid the latter, (social status; to desire to 'seem' as if one is correct in a preheld notion of a thing) and stick to the former ( to understand a thing and so be happy to be corrected so as to obtain most complete understanding of a thing, i.e. scientific) - to recognize that that latter in totally inferior because it produces no actionable knowledge.
+--- 21962542
+>>21962525
+sure, see: >>21962527
+
+> If the logic is "if this" + "and this" = "that" is there any issue with how we know the "if this" is true
+Well yes, how we determine "if this" is a dicussion of the proofs of a specifc thing. I'mnot suggesting that infallibility is automatically gained by a person who follows ths, as the nessecity of constant inquiry and reifnement is only sensible; to continue that improvement process toward (the truth of a thing),
+
+But, if you mean, generally speaking, "how we know," then it's the confirmed predictions, and we can already know what our predictions of a thing are right; i.e. that this is how knowledge is obtained, by recalling the practical applications of things: examples where we observe a natural process, agriculture etc., and can replicate the benefits and amplify the benefits by improvement... whereas if we don't see the predicted results then we've confirmed that (whatever we were doing) was incorrect.
+--- 21962543
+>>21962527
+I guess I'm wondering then whether Stoic ethics or logic comes first. If the logic is meant to keep you on track to knowing this or that for the sake of living by the ethics, are the ethics assumed,, or proved by the logic?
+--- 21962595
+>>21962543
+That's.. also another topic... I'm not entirely sure about that one myself; whether if we're suddenly following 'logos' we disregard 'ethnos/ethos' as being entirely suspect. I wrote, recently, about how the comprehesion of 'ethos' is a misnomer; we say ethics but we mean virtue, we said, in the past, 'ethnos' and we attached an erroneous presumption of 'ethos' 'to' ethnos; which was an error. Ethos is linguistically tied to Ethnos, I mean.
+
+My opinion on this that if we're following Logos then it's more likelt that we end up as Virtuous; we seek amicable resolution to things, we seek to be just, etc., for all to be happy with the decisions we make, ...whereas if we follow "Ethnos (and it's Ethos)" then we're far less likely to arrive at Virtue, since Ethos in this sense is just "local tradition; handed down which hasn't been checked to see whether it's correct or incorrect."
+
+i.e. one is more likely to produce the desirable "good ethics" than the other, in real demonstrable ways. Considering larger consequences of things like governorship f a society by an elite group; in the short term it seems best to follow an argument of selfishness and exploitation (someone might argue), but in the long term it's clearly demonstrated that not exploiting people will not result in the people wishing to overthrow you.
+
+So,
+Logic definitely comes first; but with the long-term consequences of a thing being taken into account.
+--- 21962645
+>>21954371 (OP)
+Nobody is able to show anything to be true without a given context, a list of assumptions. You have to allow some benefit of doubt, at least temporarily to understand any position. When you instead pretend your position is "proven" and any challenge to it is not you're not engaging in thought or debate, you're promoting a specific dogma as holy truth.
+When applied the premise you presented undermines any attempt to understand anything, communicate or think. It does the opposite of what the study of rhetoric attempts to accomplish.
+--- 21962654
+>>21962645
+>When you instead pretend your position is "proven" and any challenge to it is not
+No no, there's a vital distinction; we're talking about how to spot and avoid things which interfere with legitimate actual discussion of legitimate participants.
+--- 21962677
+>>21962645
+ed. >>21962654
+I mean,
+>the premise you presented undermines any attempt to understand anything, communicate or think
+for example, if you're standing beside a man whose only output in a discussion has been shouting pejoratives or defacting on the floor, and claiming that my inclination to have him removed for disruption is "undermining his attempt to understanding, communicate or think," then given the incongruity of your claim as to the reality of his actions I'd be inclined to have you removed along with him - as it would be a preposterous claim on your part.
+
+So, we go back to the premise of this topic.
+--- 21962680
+>defacting
+*defecating
+
+.. Freudian slip there lol
+--- 21962690
+>>21954371 (OP)
+Either what's presented has a logical structure or it doesn't. You don't seem to grasp the concept and constantly get confused. I can call you a retard and present a well structured argument appealing to premises you hold at the same time. If you understand basic logic there's no need for dumb these kinds of dumb heuristics.
+The motivation for making your post is to cope with being constantly called a retard. Consider the possibility that you're constantly called a retard because the things you say are retarded.
+>>21962654
+Notice the lack of structure in this post for example, it says absolutely nothing and implies you didn't understand a word of the post you replied to. Why is it so hard for you to "spot" incoherent nonsense that you need to resort to heuristic associations? Your posts are what you're saying you trying to avoid.
+>>21962677
+Here you dismiss the presented structured points based on this mindless mechanical heuristic. Why would you think this is reasonable? Aren't the results obvious? You now have an excuse to avoid all criticism and reinforce any dogma you want. You're looking for excuses to avoid thinking. This is how you became as retarded and useless as you currently are.
+--- 21962717
+>>21962690
+>Notice the lack of structure in this post for example, it says absolutely nothing and implies you didn't understand a word of the post you replied to. Why is it so hard for you to "spot" incoherent nonsense that you need to resort to heuristic associations? 
+
+This is a good example of what I just said here: >>21962677 and of the premise of this topic.
+
+You've begun with a post that had misrepresented what has been said; you haven't understood the premise, I've explained the difference, then you've ignored the explanation and attempted to present the explanation as "incoherent nonsense."
+
+Bad faith argument (or ignorant misunderstanding: which we've largely agreed in this thread ought be treated in the same way) resulting personal attack.
+--- 21962741
+>>21962717
+>if you're standing beside a man whose only output in a discussion has been shouting pejoratives or defacting on the floor
+Every post you make is the equivalent of shit on the floor. I agree that if anyone can be dismissed without further consideration it's floorshittng retards like you but even in your case the actual content of the posts is what matters, not the irrefutable fact that you're a retard.
+Dismissing the content based on heuristics like observations about your retardation would be an example of a "fallacy". A word you use a lot but don't understand even a little.
+--- 21962824
+>>21962741
+Oh it's you, aristotle anon, I recognize your schizophrenic sentences and extreme verbal abuse. I won't waste my time with you, since yo're completely bad faith - I would exceed text limit in a single post to go through sentence by sentence everything non-sequitur and irrational and schizophrenic-like in what you've just said... copying of words and phrases, etc., constant verbal abuse, no proofs given, misrepresnenting of position and claim that being corrected about it is incoherent, just a barrage of bad rhetoric lol
+
+as i said, i would exceed text limit to go through this in the detail i would like but.. here, for fun:
+>>21962741 6 insults, no case or proofs
+>>21962690 1st para: 4 insults, no case or proofs (assumption that you're just always right), 2nd para: schizophrenic inversion of cases made against you, no case or proofs (technically 1 long insult), 3rd para: 2 insults, schizophrenic inversion of cases made against you, no case or proofs
+
+What prompted you to do this:
+
+your first comment, 
+>>21962645
+>When you instead pretend your position is "proven" and any challenge to it is not you're not engaging in thought or debate, you're promoting a specific dogma as holy truth.
+
+my reply,
+>>21962654
+>, there's a vital distinction; we're talking about how to spot and avoid things which interfere with legitimate actual discussion of legitimate participants.
+
+The only difference here and in your previous verbal abuse is that you held off on the verbal abuse until you had been shown to have misunderstood the topic. 
+
+VERY FUN TIMES ANON :) but i won't continue to play doctor with you again
+--- 21962843
+>>21962824
+Nope, you're talking to others. I've been playing nice this thread.
+--- 21962864
+>>21962824
+>I won't waste my time
+Why do you do it though? Is this the only place where you can arrange things so your delusions aren't really challenged?
+>6 insults, no case or proofs
+I applied your "argument" to your own posts. Do you really not understand that? It doesn't occur to you to apply your arguments everywhere? What's the point of making any argument about anything in the first place if you then selectively apply them?
+--- 21962893
+>>21962843
+>>21962864
+not playing these games with you. I think your sustained psychological abuse warrants a stay in a mental hospital, as i've said to you before, aristotle anon.
+--- 21962895
+>>21962824
+>there's a vital distinction
+Nothing in the post implies I don't understand the distinction between shitting on the floor and presenting a structured argument. You ignored the post completely and just randomly out of nowhere started implying you're the only person able to identify shit on the floor. Not allowing anyone any benefit of doubt like you do means you're guaranteed to never understand anything. You act as if everyone is retarded which is much worse than calling out specific examples of them being retarded like I do with you.
+--- 21962903
+>>21962893
+Again, you're talking to someone else. Lol don't mess up the only good thread you've made. You've been chatting with me politely way above unawares.
+--- 21962910
+>>21962893
+Stop posting forever, it's not for you. Test your theories in the real world. Here you can always pretend you're right and everyone else is simple retarded or lying like you do in every single fucking thread no matter how many different people call out your severe mental retardation.
+If you understand basic logic why does nothing you try in the real world ever work? Why do your predictions about me, others and events always turn out completely wrong?
+--- 21962917
+>>21962895
+>You ignored the post completely
+schizophrenic inversion of what you did...
+
+> and just randomly out of nowhere started implying that you're the only person
+schizophrenic inversion of what you did...
+
+Honestly, aristotle anon, you need to reread the premise and not ignore it when I prove how you made a mistake. After you did this all you're doing is proving to the reader why this premise needs to applied, primarily to deal with psychopaths such as yourself who just won't stop what they do.
+
+You have schizophrenia, as I've told you before.
+--- 21962929
+>>21962910
+>Stop posting forever, it's not for you. Test your theories in the real world. Here you can always pretend you're right and everyone else is simple retarded or lying like you do in every single fucking thread no matter how many different people call out your severe mental retardation.
+schizophrenic inversion of what you did...
+
+Again, you're demonstrating why this premise needs to applied, primarily to deal with psychopaths such as yourself who just won't stop what they do.
+--- 21962933
+>>21962917
+Incredible, I, "Aristotle anon", am >>21962903 and >>21962843 (and other posts upthread you've been chatting nicely with). Thread is starting to nosedive by assuming anyone who disagrees with you or is rude to you is me.
+--- 21962952
+>>21962933
+I truly don't care what you say, you're abusing an anonymous forum in order to shout down a topic you dislike but cannot refute. Multiple posts claiming to be other people, with each post peppered with extreme psychological abuse, doesn't convince me of anything; if you are three different people then it's gang-stalking I guess lol and none of you are speaking normally, it's just constant abuse which began all at once, based on a misrepresentation of the premise of the topic which was explained to you.
+--- 21962971
+>>21962952
+Last chance; notice the (You)s next to my posts I tagged, (Yous) lacking from the posts you tagged that you think are me? There's 22 posters in this thread. You're arguing with at least one right now, and all I'm doing in the last 20 minutes is showing you're conflating people. Come on, you're supposed to better at reasoning than this.
+--- 21962973
+>>21962917
+>schizophrenic inversion of what you did...
+The actual content of the posts is what matters, not the intelligence level of the poster or how many insults he has used.
+This statement basically sums up the content of every post I made in this thread. Why have you not engaged with the point on any level or how it relates to your original premise? Why do you want to focus so much on how easily triggered you are by the mildest insults instead?
+>when I prove how you made a mistake
+All you've done is get triggered by mild insults and then act as if the premise you presented for critique in the OP as dogma that should be worked from as a fundamental assumption even when discussing if it's valid or not.
+The actual content of the posts is what matters, not the intelligence level of the poster or how many insults he has used. Why do you disagree with this? By judging ideas on merit instead of who posts them I have access to more potentially useful ideas than you, the closeminded retard refusing to think.
+--- 21963005
+>>21962952
+>based on a misrepresentation
+Then attempt to clarify retard. The floorshitting attempt added nothing. Like I said nobody can show anything to be true, the first premise you give in your argument is already based on abandoning logic and appealing to your own subjective sense of truth instead of some structured method.
+>I'm being gangstalked and everyone except me is insane
+Sounds extremely sane.
+--- 21963007
+>>21962973
+>>21962971
+>>21962971
+>Why have you not engaged with the point on any level or how it relates to your original premise?
+..schizophrenic inversion of what you did...
+
+I think I've demonstrated the pattern of your responses enough at this point. Which is obviously your aim to do here, to make 'me' seem unreasonable.
+
+But whatever... it's an anonymous forum and I don't I trust you not to e dishonest enough to edit screencaps, given previous threads of sustained psychological abuse and no refutation or engagement to the topic.
+
+One day, when anonymous forums don't have this fatal flaw, it won't even be an issue.
+
+>Last chance
+Thread is over and the discussion before you arrived enabled me to refine and improve the premise. I've already gotten what I wanted from it, random troll.
+
+So you can drink bleach :)
+--- 21963028
+>>21963005
+>Like I said nobody can show anything to be true, 
+
+lol .. look, on the off chance your day release holds out for a few more months, wait til the next thread when this comes up, try and prove to me again how all knowledge based on observation of natural processes somehow doesnt exist.
+
+such a stupid statement.
+
+>extremely sane
+you said it laddy buck.
+--- 21963034
+>>21963007
+>But whatever... it's an anonymous forum and I don't I trust you not to e dishonest enough to edit screencaps, given previous threads of sustained psychological abuse and no refutation or engagement to the topic.
+Yeah, how do I edit the (You)s out of the screenshot of post tags mid paragraph at >>21962843?
+
+>Thread is over and the discussion before you arrived enabled me to refine and improve the premise. I've already gotten what I wanted from it, random troll.
+Lol I got you to walk back from positions way above and you didn't notice. But since you're hung up on this ironically schizo "everyone who disagrees with me is this one guy" schtick, I'll bow out and let you sperg your own thread into dust. Just remember that you "coulda been a contender", but you don't know how to interact on 4chan. Gratifying as usual.
+--- 21963051
+>>21963007
+This is like the 15th post were you avoid thinking about anything I said about the actual subject you pretended to be interested in the OP and just rant about how hurt your feelings are that we would dare call you retarded.
+>your goal is to make 'me' seem unreasonable.
+This assumption is unreasonable, insane even. Just engage with the actual points, like a reasonable person. Simply stop behaving like a deranged retard and I won't point out that you're acting like a deranged retard. 
+In every thread you make my first post doesn't call you retarded, I give you the benefit of the doubt and hope you reply with something slightly coherent. You always prove my optimism wrong, maybe your OP is right, some people really should just be completely dismissed beforehand without giving them any benefit of doubt.
+>the pattern of your responses
+Why do you insist to focus on some perceived mental illness instead of the content of the posts? You're not in any position to question the mental health of anyone and it's not relevant. Even schizos and mongoloids can understand the basic of logic and structured arguments with training.
+Where did the actual discussion go? Why don't you care about it anymore now that someone committed the cardinal sin of calling you a retard? 
+>If they held an intellectual position which was able to be shown by them to be true, they would never engage in personal attacks.
+Why retard? Logically the things are completely separate. Is questioning this premise now wrong because I called you a retard while doing it?
+--- 21963092
+>>21963028
+>lol
+See, you don't even give the benefit of the doubt temporarily to explore different perspectives. In the "polite" post I said your first premise is nonsense and you just skipped over that as if any discussion rooted in this, with premises so divergent won't be inherently incoherent.
+>all knowledge based on observation of natural processes somehow doesnt exist.
+Truth exists but you can't logically show anything to be true without resting the statements in assumptions that can't be proven.
+Basic logic shit again. Confusing statements with reality. The word "moon" is not the moon. I can't logically show the moon exists through pure arguments with no assumptions, I have to point at it and we agree on a label. If you refuse to even tilt your head up because I haven't proven the moon exists there's nothing I can do, you're undermining communication and your own ability to think.
+--- 21963099
+>>21963034
+>how do I edit the (You)s out o
+by opening a 2nd tab in a standard browser with VPN and reloading the screen.
+
+>I got you to walk back from positions way above and you didn't notice
+Oh no, I'm so hurt(!) My intention was obviously not to refine the premise but to imply seem as if i was 'unbeaten' about an academic point to boost my social status points on an anonymous forum. (heavy sarcasm)
+
+> you don't know how to interact on 4chan
+Why would I copy your behavior? If I woke up as someone who had so little in life as to be gratified by annoying an unknown person by engaging in psychological abuse over a text medium - for years (given your old fashioned internet lingo) - I'd kill myself.
+
+Good luck with that though. I'm not gratified by this; I'm sorry that nobody helped you when you were younger by steering you onto a more rational basis for your life.
+--- 21963116
+>>21963099
+>by opening a 2nd tab in a standard browser with VPN and reloading the screen.
+1) I'm phoneposting, and 2) 4chan bans VPN users. But I said I'd bow out so no more from me.
+--- 21963131
+>>21963099
+>psychological abuse
+For any given text and for any given situation there are multiple interpretations possible and usually no interpretation accounts for all elements involved. Small differences in premises can change the framing and your perception of any given situation completely.
+The number of posters or how insane they are isn't relevant to the content of the posts but you still make every thread you're in about these kinds of fantasies for some reason. That's insane. Notice the difference between calling you insane and calling out your actually insane actions.
+--- 21963164
+>>21963099
+>>21963116
+Inspect element and change the text you absolute retards.
+--- 21963181
+>>21963092
+>See, you don't even give the benefit of the doubt
+Why anyone give an abusive person the benefit of the doubt? If you weren't peppering every sentence with 'retard' and ignoring the proofs given against you, then 'benefit of the doubt' would be able to be given.
+
+That's self-evident, isn't it?
+
+>>21963051
+>This is like the 15th post
+Uh sure, see the above, since you're saying the same thing.
+
+
+>>21963131
+..schizophrenic inversion again.. lol
+
+>>21963116
+>I said I'd bow out so no more from me
+Yeah me too.
+
+Take care.
+
+Actually, >>21963116 if you were talking nicely earlier or yesterday, then good, I'm glad you've become able to engage on a rational level, aristotle anon. See? we've both improved as a result of good discussion when you didn't come on the keyboard half drunk looking to flirt-trash-talk with other Men
+
+see, we're best buds now.
+--- 21963189
+>>21963164
+Not for phoneposting
+--- 21963196
+>>21963116
+>VPN users
+Don't basically all browsers have VPN now? I've got VPN built in and on 24/7, I didn't ever turn it on either.
+
+>>21963164
+>Inspect element
+correct. my fellow opera user
+--- 21963203
+>>21963181
+>>I said I'd bow out so no more from me
+>Yeah me too.
+>Take care.
+>Actually, >>21963116 (You) # if you were talking nicely earlier or yesterday, then good, I'm glad you've become able to engage on a rational level, aristotle anon. See? we've both improved as a result of good discussion when you didn't come on the keyboard half drunk looking to flirt-trash-talk with other Men
+>see, we're best buds now.
+Lol I wouldn't say best buds, but yeah, it's big of you to grant me that here, and recognize it. Until the next thread, cheers dude.
+--- 21963208
+>>21963203
+>and recognize
+*and *I* recognize it
+--- 21963245
+>>21963181
+>Why anyone give an abusive person the benefit of the doubt?
+This referenced your reply to the "polite" post, before anything you call "abuse". See what I mean about coherence? Why can't you maintain it? Are you actually mentally ill? Maybe you should consider the possibility.
+>That's self-evident, isn't it?
+No. Like I repeated many times I believe in giving everyone as much benefit of doubt as possible to broaden my own collection of perspectives about things. If you have a logically structured point nothing you said previously undermines the structure, it's completely independent and should be taken on its own merit.
+>Uh sure
+You can read the interaction. I constantly try to bring it back on subject and you consistently derail into insane sperging.
+>..schizophrenic inversion 
+Repeating buzzwords is another coping mechanism. If I'm ill why not attempt to help me? I'm attempting to help you think, you respond with buzzwords like you're a parody of an actual homeless schizo.
+You're not building anything in your posts and when I attempt to build you respond by calling me schizophrenic while not adding anything. When I call your blatantly retarded posts retarded and explain why that's "psychological abuse" but when you shut down any chance of building anything with your insults that's reasonable?
+--- 21963261
+>>21963181
+>see, we're best buds now.
+You're so incredibly pathetic on so many levels. Why do you think you're "rational" in any way? What do you base this on? Why can't you apply this rationality?
+--- 21963736
+ohh okay, just for fun:
+
+>>21963261
+>Why do you think you're "rational" in any way? What do you base this on? 
+Uh hmm.. well, I can prove what I say and you can't. Again, as [you have made no case and began with verbal abuse] there's no reason to take you seriously in anything you say at all. 
+
+The tactic, for example, of inversion and character attack; false accusation, is not convincing to anybody except a person perhaps browsing who hadn't seen the context.
+
+I agree, it can work sometimes; you could upset people by doing this, but it's an impediment to those of us who are actually interested in discussing the topics rather than getting into ad hominem.
+
+I don't really need to know what your motives are, even though it' fun to speculate on them, since the first words out of your mouth condemned you as disruptive to the more important matters to hand (i.e. the topic itself).
+
+>Are you actually mentally ill?
+>Repeating buzzwords 
+When I tell you that XYZ is schizophrenic I'm using the correct DSM criteria to point out the gaping disconnect from reality in your claims.
+
+I'm not sure why anyone would be confused about the uses of these words, since a quick googlesearch would demonstrate truth of this.
+
+After I've established this, then: your responses can be understood as being part of that spectrum, the trigger-reflexive "no you (are guilty of what i'm doing)," which is accompanied by no proofs on your part. So I'm not likely to take you seriously when you're copying my words and throwing them back at me. I'll admit that it is an effective tactic in a TV news debate, for example, utilizing the same plausibility of doubt that "majority of audience won't realize what's happening," but this is exactly how ad hominem operates.
+
+I mean, this seems to me like bullshit on your part, given your incredible hostility and disinterest in sticking to the topic,
+>like I repeated many times I believe in giving everyone as much benefit of doubt
+
+> If I'm ill why not attempt to help me? 
+You are being helped by me, I'm not insulting you back for instance. I'm patiently encouraging you to stop with your pantomime and to return to the topic, if you're able to articulate your real concerns about the premise (of the topic) then express them; it may be something I actually haven't considered and if you have a valid concern then you have something legitimate to add to the discussion. If you don't do this in the next reply, immediatly and without peppering your reply with verbal abuse, I'll just use you as an example to confirm the premise (and the danger of not applying the premise to identify bad faith actors), since that's the only conclusion that can be drawn from your refusal to engage sensibly. Either way, I benefit.
+--- 21964444
+ok /rhet/, settle a debate for me. I got into a long debate with a guy on youtube largely about the definition of objective/subjective (specifically in the context of morality and God). Who made the better argument here? Jeffrey Black or voskresenie?
+>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oltsfcVWe3A&lc=UgzMq_Xq6ACmmo4jmih4AaABAg.9n-oiO6DE7A9nskoeE2hyO [Embed]
+there's a lot of back and forth, if you want to skip some of it, this is a decent place to start
+>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oltsfcVWe3A&lc=UgzMq_Xq6ACmmo4jmih4AaABAg.9n-oiO6DE7A9oSyHe7bc_J [Embed]
+--- 21964852
+>>21964444
+checked. skipped into the middle of video and the guy was like is grass is green true because of this gay shit im pretending is intellectual thought. God taught us proper morality. therefore His influence existed before morality
+--- 21965077
+>>21964852
+the comments have almost nothing to do with the video being discussed. the video is spending 30 minutes explaining an overwhelmingly obvious concept from a Plato dialogue that could be explained in about 3 minutes.
+--- 21965122
+>>21964444
+>the definition of objective/subjective (specifically in the context of morality and God)
+I don't think logos can ever extend into things that cannot be demonstrated in material reality, as there would be no proofs to construct a case with... and ...we'd have no reason to take any claim without proofs to be correct for the same reason that we wouldn't make any claims without proof ourselves (there would be no basis or foundation to begin from) ... e.g. what would give you the idea that a god 'existed' if you hadn't met the god personally and he'd told you he was a god? or: if you're drawing a god from abstractions of natural processes (i.e. there is order to things we call god) then that choice to call that order a god would be subjective... or: where does the concept of a god come from in the first place and is 'seeking this' a form of confirmation bias at the expense of understanding natural processes.
+
+Plotinus made this case to the early christians (or so-called gnostics) about the error of removing divinity from the material world and of the error of making-up an "alternate dimension" where proofs can be avoided; as then you can't defend your beliefs and anybody can make-up whatever good or bad they want, claim that it's god, and would have a case equal in merit to yours, which you wouldn't be able to argue against.
+
+>>21964852
+>and the guy was like is grass is green true because of this gay shit im pretending is intellectual thought
+Yeah I hate this. I mean it's like the kind of perplexion over something like this, "if a tree falls in the forest does it make a sound?" when the answer is an obvious "yes it does," as: reality doesn't give a shit whether a human happens to notice what's going on or not and certainly doesn't exist to impress us... e.g. to suggest that "noise doesn't occur" if a human isn't nearby to hear it, or that the cutlery on the dinner table stand up and engage in political debate when we're not around.

lit/21955008.txt

@@ -150,9 +150,6 @@ just go back to pol
 --- 21960205
 >>21960192
 why are you so upset and faggy? lol women tier energy
---- 21960212
->>21955008 (OP)
-You know what would be funny? If you killed yourself.
 --- 21960620
 >>21960087
 Its really just that infamously undersold, modernized opening line that hurts Wilson. It's not a bad experiment to retranslate Homer more narrowly, but it reads so horribly modern and affected that its hard to shake the first impression of a stupid cunt writing a blogpost.
@@ -193,3 +190,88 @@ best so far
 what a dingus
 
 decent thread... we all need a bit of levity every now and again.
+--- 21961993
+>>21955008 (OP)
+>>21955009
+PBUH
+--- 21961997
+>>21955008 (OP)
+>>21955009
+--- 21962000
+>>21955008 (OP)
+--- 21962010
+>>21955008 (OP)
+..
+--- 21962551
+>>21962010
+Der Wehrwolf
+Femdom
+--- 21962798
+>>21955458
+>fuming
+--- 21962835
+This filters 90% of /lit/
+--- 21963227
+>>21962835
+Yeah you're right, I got filtered and don't know what's funny about that. Out of context it sounds as if it was generated by ChatGPT.
+--- 21963256
+>>21955129
+--- 21963283
+>>21955129
+--- 21963644
+>>21959606
+this is so stupid I laffed
+--- 21963713
+>>21961984
+>never read the screwtape letters is this post still worth reading?
+yes
+--- 21963734
+>>21962010
+Perelandra
+gentle femdom
+--- 21963748
+>>21955238
+funny fiction is funny fiction
+--- 21963900
+>>21963644
+but wait, there is more
+--- 21963986
+>>21963900
+>I don't really have a "fgi". I'm not sure of the corect choice
+what was the fgi part?
+--- 21964190
+>>21955008 (OP)
+Does anyone have the format where Kant says "eghhh.. dont kill people" and the other guy goes "WOW"? I've also seen it done with Sun Tzu
+--- 21964252
+>>21963986
+a more enthralling literary quest than finnegans wake
+--- 21964283
+>>21962010
+Call of the Wild
+
+Facesitting/Ass-licking
+--- 21964368
+>>21956199
+I mean... didn't he meet the love of his own life in AA meetings? Maybe he was thinking of that on some level.
+--- 21964404
+>>21961997
+Ah, perfect. I wanted to learn some more about Nazi occultism for my "Jewish Golem Fights Nazis" video game idea. This looks like an interesting source; thanks.
+--- 21964430
+>>21962010
+Never heard of this "Rilke" fellow. Better look it up, as a major Tomboy lover myself.
+--- 21965288
+>>21962010
+Crime&Punishment
+Being a sub/sissy/crossdresser for my husband.
+--- 21965350
+>>21964404
+Think up something more original, there are already plenty of WW2 games out there
+--- 21965499
+>>21956178
+>>21956199
+>>21956240
+>>21964368
+
+Post the source. Should be easy; it says there at the top “DFW: Letters.”
+
+Here, let me save you some time: either there won’t be a reply or whatever you or anyone else replies to this post with won’t have the source.

lit/21955882.txt

@@ -203,3 +203,105 @@ He has literally spent his life arguing that intellectuals need to question powe
 >>21961782
 >seething libtards over his lack of Ukraine support
 Who is his audience in 2023?
+--- 21962184
+>>21961756
+>He has literally spent his life arguing that intellectuals need to question powerful interests. He outlines this most clearly in his essay "The Responsibility of Intellectuals". He is one of the few public intellectuals who actually fulfils this responsibility and has been for decades. His philosophy is utterly antithetical in every way to powerful interests.
+
+That was absolutely the case for the vast majority of his life.
+
+>And in what way is he "massively platformed/pushed"?
+He, like many other 'well know intellectuals' in the past few years, has been used to push the case in favor of authoritarian power. It's clear that he is at this point either being used for an agenda, or is otherwise being kept ignorant about important matters, and is unable to assess the value and trustworthiness of internet borne information or subject it to analysis in the fashion he managed to for print and broadcast media.
+--- 21962337
+>>21962184
+Fair points. I'm not too familiar with his activity in the last few years, though I have noticed a bit of that.
+--- 21962442
+>>21961756
+>calling someone jewish makes you an antisemite
+
+Oy vey!
+--- 21963260
+>>21955882 (OP)
+he never had any to begin with.
+--- 21963323
+>>21955882 (OP)
+>Ayo, this nigga be so old he was probably molested by Plato as a kid
+--- 21963339
+>>21959071
+Jews are disproportionately represented in communist, socialist, authoritarian, and banking schemes. Chomsky, for all the insights he provided into the sinister relationships between corporate media and the US government, is also in favour of more government, as if the government will stop being corrupt, manipulative, and in service to corporations if they have a mandate to provide things for the masses.
+--- 21963345
+nothing more repugnant than a jewish anti-zionist 
+race traitor faggot
+--- 21963358
+>>21957248
+im from a 'culturally rich country' and i can tell you that is overrated
+i rather have social order and basic universal values than having town festival every goddamn month until morning, ugly traditional costumes that never ever wears and over seasoned food with all spices known to man in every dish.
+--- 21963377
+i cannot wait for the day this shill dies
+--- 21963424
+>>21963358
+I guess the grass always is greener on the other side. My country was culturally rich, but what makes us distinct has been consciously smothered and the insidious social order and obligatory new values make death seem preferable to many. We're not even guaranteed stability or unity, and what there is of that is enforced by propaganda, coercion and violence. It isn't even intended to be for our own good.
+--- 21963448
+>>21957827
+now, now, boy, you are just fishing for an effortpost
+--- 21964310
+ah yes the 90 year old do nothing for his country who thinks the worlds ending either by climate or nuclear war and you should vote biden
+--- 21964356
+>>21955921
+That's the consequences of extreme wisdom. Everyone should hope that when they get old they turn into the gnome. Gnomes are late stage evolution of hype intellectuals.
+--- 21964527
+>>21957072
+>Of course at this point it might just be wishful thinking, but that's another matter.
+No I think it strongly matters. If the US is going to decline no matter what then determining and *formalizing* power politics now is better than the US chimping out and *failing*
+--- 21964560
+>>21957072
+Why would I want stability if it's enforced and profited off of by the unethical? Why would I peacefully uphold an evil status quo? This does not sound desirable unless you're some kind of utilitarian
+--- 21964571
+>>21959866
+Good and evil don't exist.
+America is not bad, it's just disgusting because of all the cultural BS that it is home to and exporter of. A BS which Chomsky supports.
+--- 21964587
+>>21962184
+I present to you this more ominous possibility:
+The intelligent, upon seeing the true nature of humanity through the internet, have come to the conclusion that tight control is the only solution to our problems.
+--- 21964597
+I looked up the mind body problem and his answer has been there is no mind body problem because "there has been no concept of body since Newton". Can someone explain?
+--- 21964603
+>>21964310
+Now I know you're haughty in denial and all that, but what are we supposed to do about the billionsper year in damage from coasts rising and ruined harvests, as it rises into the trillions?
+And that's just in America.
+--- 21964612
+>>21964527
+Collapsing great powers don't chimp out, they chimp in. Furthermore power isn't formalised by nature
+--- 21965243
+>>21957098
+I used to ask him political questions and he always replied too.
+--- 21965251
+>>21960716
+Yeah, because they're the only ones who read dense scholarly works and political treatises.
+--- 21965258
+>>21965251
+When those things combine they produce the stupidest works imaginable so ya it makes sense all the way down. It's for discord users to never read but to know exists and cite as the truth because it's 
+>academic peer-reviewed
+--- 21965278
+>>21955882 (OP)
+The secret is a steady diet of drinking plenty of free range baby blood.
+--- 21965290
+>>21956606
+Invest into anti aging technology research.
+--- 21965303
+>>21964571
+this
+--- 21965383
+>>21955882 (OP)
+Did he already denounced the democrats of being guilty of more consent manufacture that republicans were ever able to do? 
+
+No? OK
+--- 21965404
+>>21965251
+but has that ever been applied in the real world though?
+--- 21965418
+>>21965383
+His brain plasticity stopped at Bush.
+--- 21965454
+>>21965418
+More like Reagan

lit/21956004.txt

@@ -178,3 +178,78 @@ first 400 pages were great. falls off after that.
 --- 21961658
 >>21958447
 They spoil it in the intro in both Rutherford and Grossman too. What's the fucking point of an intro to a novel if it spoils the ending? Save that shit for an essay at the end.
+--- 21962222
+>>21956004 (OP)
+Anyone read Amidis of Gaul? Or the other inspirations for this adventure?
+--- 21962228
+I like when sancho shits his pants and its smelly or when hes in a rug and they beat the shit out of him
+--- 21962238
+>>21962222
+El Cid way better than your Husbando
+--- 21962243
+H
+--- 21962382
+>>21961329
+
+Read Gogols Dead Souls. Very similar vibes and hilarious. 
+
+>>21961658
+
+Never read intros.
+--- 21962416
+>>21956567
+>I kind of lost interest with the story-within-a-story and the side characters take over.
+It's amusing because readers of Cervantes in his time did too. This is literally addressed in the prologue to part 2 where Cervantes bitches about people who complained about the interpolated short stories in part 1, and begrudgingly says he'll include less in part 2.
+--- 21963763
+>>21962416
+the funniest part of part 2 has to be all the meta stuff about part 1
+--- 21964132
+>>21956004 (OP)
+Which translation is best?
+--- 21964140
+>>21958295
+the modernism of Don Quixote actually blew my mind on my first reading, especially because I was comparing it to Canterbury Tales which is decidedly medieval.
+--- 21964276
+>>21956004 (OP)
+The funniest part, in my opinion, was when they perceived the flock of sheep to be an enemy army or something and just stabbed the crap out of the sheep and then got the ish kicked out of them by the shepherds.
+--- 21964281
+>>21959306
+See
+>>21961323
+My brother-in-law is a native Spanish speaker from South America and they read Don Quixote in elementary school growing up the same way we read English-speakers Shakespeare, and the kids complain the same way about how it's old and difficult to understand.
+--- 21964286
+>>21964281
+Holy crap that sentence I just typed was unreadable. Sorry to anyone that tried to read that.
+--- 21964353
+Coming to the end of Part One. Cardenio's story was probably my favourite story within a story so far.
+--- 21964360
+>>21964276
+
+The slaves and the monks were pretty funny too along with Don mistaken the inn for a castle. His mental disorder reminds me a lot of Chris-chan's schizophernia. They both have delusions about reality mixed in wth the huge ego and self importance factor
+--- 21964411
+>>21964360
+Don Quixote reminded you of Chris Chan?
+Jesus I really dodged a bullet, I was going to read it because of other descriptions in the thred.
+Schizophrenic trannies = do not want
+--- 21964779
+>>21964132
+Puta madre
+--- 21964784
+>>21964132
+Penguin Classics By Rutherford.
+--- 21965295
+Why is this book so damn long? I dont hate the content here, but it is not nearly engaging enough to be stretched out for 1000 pages. at this point it feels like every bit of dialogue and scene just goes on and on and on
+--- 21965364
+>>21956456
+Spanish is my fourth lang, and I can read this no prob.
+--- 21965371
+>>21964360
+But Don Quixote has moments where he speaks eloquently and people think he's sane. He also gives Sancho really good advice on how to govern his island. Chris has never had a moment like that other than that one time he pretended to be a normal guy trolling everyone.
+--- 21965378
+>>21956456
+Don't push yourself.
+It's 1600 Spanish, it is almost like a different language to us.
+I had to buy a copy with a small glossary at the end of all the hard words and was the only way I managed to finish it .
+--- 21965523
+>>21956563
+Same. I read it all and it took me an entire summer. Good book but I think it's overrated

lit/21956061.txt

@@ -7,11 +7,6 @@ ITT: Discuss what you'd like to write about and how you think you'll handle thes
 I'll see you all again in a month.
 --- 21956084
 Why are zoomers like this?
---- 21956087
->>21956061 (OP)
-Writing is the easy part.
-
-Getting anyone to read your shit, now that's a challenge.
 --- 21956215
 >>21956084
 Afraid of stepping away from your macbook air? Or do you hate the idea of not being in a starbucks while writing your self insert fan fiction?
@@ -79,11 +74,6 @@ coomers don't read. that's why they fap to bitches on onlyfans or some degenerat
 >>21956061 (OP)
 >I'll see you all again in a month.
 It will be forgotten
---- 21956417
->>21956390
-Do you know how few people read?
-
-I had to do a safety meeting with 30+ members of a crew and we had lunch after. I spoke with most of them and I usually slip in "what was the last book you read?" as part of my small talk. Not a single dude out of 30+ labourers could tell me the last book they read.
 --- 21956462
 >>21956402
 Sounds great anon. Can't wait to hear about it!
@@ -170,9 +160,6 @@ I think I'm down for it, I write almost daily anyway and having it in a physical
 --- 21957838
 >>21956215
 why would you choose to write in a worse way, it's no different than faggots who use typewriters just because they're old or because their brains are so rattled by porn, social media and video games they literally cannot function on a device that offers access to those things
---- 21957846
->>21957342
-I'm Canadian, and Canadian men are extremely cucked. Funny how the only couple of guys in our crew that DID read were the alcoholic drug user roughnecks! The "normal" labourers only snowboarded, smoked weed, and played video games.
 --- 21958753
 >>21957838
 >in using computers writers are flirting with a radical separation of mind and body, the elimination of the work of the body from the work of the mind. The text on the computer screen, and the computer printout too, has a sterile, untouched, factorymade look, like that of a plastic whistle or a new car. The body does not do work like that. The body characterizes everything it touches. What it makes it traces over with the marks of its pulses and breathings, its excitements, hesitations, flaws, and mistakes. On its good work, it leaves the marks of skill, care, and love persisting through hesitations, flaws, and mistakes. And to those of us who love and honor the life of the body in this world, these marks are precious things, necessities of life.
@@ -230,11 +217,6 @@ Here is the telegram group. This is where challenge updates will be first. If it
 >>21956220
 >>21956977
 >imagine being so weak that a single (1) comment on an incel anime forum flips your shit
---- 21959943
->>21956061 (OP)
-You're never going to be a writer. Nobody is going to read your shit.
-
-kill yourself loser.
 --- 21960035
 Wish I could join in but I got an assignment due on the 2nd and haven't done shit yet.
 >>21959943
@@ -311,3 +293,83 @@ I'll participate since I actually want to work on my short story writing and my
 --- 21961983
 Maybe this will fix my zoomer brain. I am seriously unable to express myself in a coherent manner.
 Will try to write short stories which will probably end up as hot garbage. But only way to improve is to face it head on.
+--- 21962003
+>>21961983
+If you write four short stories over the month at least one of them will be passable. If you write a short story every week then it's statistically impossible that they'll all be bad.
+--- 21962466
+>>21959292
+nta anon, but it's a lot easier to share the work when it's on computer. You also can't exactly email or make lots of copies easily on paper. There is also spelling and grammar checks on computer.
+--- 21963098
+>>21962466
+It's entirely possible to compose and edit on paper, then type the final draft.
+--- 21963423
+>>21956242
+You shouldn't be cheating on your wife, or you should have found a good woman to marry before getting saddled with two children.
+--- 21963482
+>>21958753
+oh
+well
+
+>>21956061 (OP)
+Look if you want
+your work to be read
+do one more thing
+don't be dead
+come back OP
+it's okay
+don't think you're done
+enjoy the day
+--- 21963980
+>>21961979
+You can use any pen at a dollar store price.
+--- 21963985
+>>21963980
+>You can use any pen at a dollar store price.
+You can use any pen you currently own because its price is less than a dollar store pen.
+--- 21964018
+Not sure what the confusion
+is. 
+
+>Starting May 1st you'll be tasked to write something using only a shitty spiral 
+>notebook and a standard bic pen (your choice of color. clear barrel or otherwise. I 
+>recommend clear) 
+
+
+It says you have to use a standard Bic pen with your choice of color. It doesn't say 
+anything about buying a pen or shopping at the bodega. It doesn't say anything about using your own fingernails and blood to write. What is wrong with you people?
+Is this zoomers special ed?
+--- 21964484
+>>21957838
+>worse way
+I actually write better with pen and paper. Writing on a laptop the words just come too fast and it ends up sounding like from YA bullshit instead of something with actual thought and intention to it.
+
+Slow down a little, Anon. Life is better at human pace.
+--- 21964517
+>>21964018
+I can see you do what the boss man says. Good for you house nigger.
+--- 21964530
+>>21964517
+Fuck off friggin liberal.
+--- 21964710
+ok, so just fill it up with words? are pictures fair game, too? Can you write really big?
+--- 21964836
+This book, which contains a meditation on each of the major arcana of the Tarot, ends with a commission to the reader to write his own meditations on each of the minor arcana. The book affected me so greatly that I feel I owe it to the author to honor his request. I think I will use this challenge to make my first attempt at it. I say my first attempt because I expect that these meditations will only be a starting point for me. I do not know if I will share them or not.
+With a 70 sheet/140 page notebook, I will need to write 5 pages a day. I don't regularly write anything, so this is a rather tall order for me. May is also going to be a pretty busy month for me. But here I am making excuses already. 
+There are 56 minor arcana, so each one will get 2.5 pages, and I will need to cover about 2 per day.
+--- 21965145
+>>21959699
+I just joined big fellas
+--- 21965335
+>>21964836
+That's been on my to-read shelf for a long time.
+--- 21965408
+do you guys use both sides of a page when writing in a notebook or just the front side? i always feel wrong writing on both sides for whatever reason
+--- 21965537
+>>21956061 (OP)
+>"Hey /lit/, why don't you actually write? Let's do it together!"
+>/lit/ becomes enraged
+Tells you everything you need to know about this board.
+I'll do it OP. It's a fun idea.
+--- 21965544
+>>21965408
+I use both sides but it does look strange when the pen ink bleeds through

lit/21956773.txt

@@ -185,3 +185,387 @@ In a pure show of ironic force crafted by the hand of God himself, his feeble 5'
 In short: he did it to satisfy his narcissist, faggot queen urges; what he attained instead was becoming a joke so sophisticated and perfect that it must have come about by divine intervention.
 
 >inb4 22 year olds who squat as much as Mishima (pic related, 20 pounds) get assblasted and start autistically screaming about le heroism while listening to Sabaton (highly cringe)
+--- 21962140
+>>21960036
+>"Greek mythology tells of how Achilles was forced to choose between a long life void of glory and a glorious young death. Without flinching, he chose the latter."
+
+Thats not at all what he does in the Iliad though? He is literally about to fuck off and live a long peaceful life until his boyfriend dies
+--- 21962605
+>>21956865
+Back to /r/redscarepod
+--- 21962612
+>>21956773 (OP)
+Overdose on a combination of fent and tranq
+--- 21962635
+>>21961962
+You're a miserable piece of subhuman garbage and you are fathoms away from accepting that your life amounts to absolutely nothing next to one of the greatest novelists of the past 100 years. Keep coping, little bitch
+--- 21962658
+>>21961962
+It was beautiful. The soldiers' not hearing and the accomplice's botching are part of the beauty.
+--- 21962696
+>>21961962
+This also applies to everyone ITT moaning about le dignified death in modern society. The source of man's dignity is the same as it has always been: his capacity to know and love God and to serve Him and His creation. All else is vanity. It does not matter how pretty your death looks. There is no dignity in worrying about such things.
+>>21962635
+>le tortured aesthete calling others miserable
+Lol
+--- 21962713
+>>21956865
+only based post in this thread.
+
+mishima was a faggot, a failure and worst of all a larper. i dont care if he had the balls to follow his delusions of granduer through in a "respectable" enough way to make a historical dent, he was a suicidal spastic who wouldve trooned out had he existed in modernity
+--- 21962733
+>>21961962
+Indiscriminate attention-whoring is not the same as a desire for deservedly obtained recognition. Eating glue on TikTok is the first case; artistic exploration and laying your heart bare for the world to witness and assess is the latter.
+
+Plays the typical "it all boils down to obsession and fetishism" card. Fails at the very premise.
+
+>necessitating that Mishima become a homosexual to satisfy his giant attention-whoring faggot queen impulses by being adored and worshipped by those most capable of it, i.e. men.
+Too spiritually destitute and unimaginative to appreciate homoerotic sensibility. Thinks real homosexuality can be instigated by necessity, lol.
+
+I could go on, but you're not the first nor the last cocksure faggot trying to apply scornfully elaborate reductionism on Mishima without realizing that the attempt itself is an indirect admittance of complexity existing in the first place.
+--- 21962749
+>>21962713
+>[x] who wouldve trooned out had [they] existed in modernity
+anyone who has ever posted some variation of this "argument" should be gassed and their families sent to work camps. same genus of retardation as "weil would have been twerking on tiktok if she existed in modernity" I saw some mongo post here once
+--- 21962791
+I'm not against the concept of a beautiful or worthy death but it kinda seems like the people who revere Mishima are the same species of retard who worships Zyzz. Looking at it like that, without considering the political flavor of Mishima's actions, puts the whole thing in a more pathetic light
+Ultimately I can't say I care for this particular type of homoerotic narcissism. It's only about a worthy death insofar as it can serve the individual ego
+--- 21962803
+>>21962749
+Nope. The only moral people are those who would be moral having been born in any time or situation
+Everyone else should live a sad hard life, die mad, and burn in hell a billion times over
+>inb4 but le hecking no u
+Yeah, me too
+--- 21962873
+>>21956773 (OP)
+The absolute best death is to die peacefully in old age as you sleep after you've lived a life of service.
+--- 21962878
+>>21960965
+Not sure what the sarcasm is for. Those are indeed dignified.
+--- 21962888
+>>21962791
+Praising him as a saint is silly indeed, but his political activity was more of a catalyst for his broader personal philosophy. He was ultimately more concerned with the metaphysical than the opportunistic and predictable nature of politics, which is why he was interesting and is still being discussed, not just because he had a shocking televised death.
+--- 21962890
+>>21960965
+>>21962878
+But it’s besides the point anyway because you’re looking at it through a materialist lens. You see mud and blood and think “oh, how undignified” but it was never about the mud or the blood but rather the role of the person in the whole and world which supposed the fundamental dignity of a person. The farmer is no less essential to a religious community than the priest, but secular person strapped into a computer is purposeful for nothing and no one. He’s been stripped of his dignity, his freedom, and his ability to confirm to a natural rhythm of life even, the rhythms of nature and dirt turn to mud and of pulsating blood. Now you guess what the death looks like…
+--- 21962894
+>>21961962
+Nobody said he was successful, only that his concerns were valid. If anything, he confirmed his philosophy was correct, that a beautiful and noble death is indeed impossible in modernity.
+--- 21962909
+>>21962733
+NTA but posts like this really make me scratch my head. why do you speak like this? nigger you live in the 21st century and this is an anonymous website, who are you trying to prove yourself to
+--- 21962912
+>>21962890
+How is being behind a computer any meaningfully different from a farmer or a priest since they all serve a community in some way?
+--- 21962918
+>>21962909
+>inb4 you dont get it.
+you didnt use any words that a 6th grader couldnt understand, you just composed them in such an obtuse way because youre a pseud
+--- 21962924
+>>21962912
+NTA but I don't think he meant doing actual work that involves a computer but rather pissing away time on imageboards like (you) and I are doing right now
+--- 21962925
+>>21962909
+Lol so he should go out of his way to type more simply? That would be trying to prove something.
+That writing style comes naturally to well-read spergs (not meant negatively), and you probably can't even imagine that.
+--- 21962935
+>>21962912
+Why does Gen Z, living in the digital world, have much higher rates of suicide and mental illness than previous generations? I mean like social media and hanging out in discord is basically the same as socializing IRL?? I don't get it???
+--- 21962953
+>>21962925
+no its the safest sign that what someones saying is incorrect because its dressed up in flowery language. break it down, in a way that makes sense to a 5 year old and watch as it suddenly becomes an absolute incoherent mess
+--- 21962975
+>>21962953
+You're retarded, it reads fine, fuck off.
+--- 21962976
+>>21962953
+>Only ideas that can be expressed simply and quickly have any value
+>I'm not actually literate
+You're retarded on multiple levels. You're the reason American presidents limit the content of public addresses to a sixth grade reading level. Basic bitch retard lmao
+--- 21962985
+>>21962975
+>>21962976
+this conversation has not difficult at all, nothing in this thread has been a complex subject or involved any idea that would be outside of a high school level class. the only difference is some anons are larping and some are not. but hey call me retarded. im sure if i studied the blade as much as you id understand *tip tip*
+--- 21962998
+>>21962985
+goo goo ga ga baby retard doesn't know there's a difference between what you say and how you're saying it. I'm really starting to despise zoomers
+--- 21963013
+>>21962998
+anon thats my point, im glad we agree
+--- 21963018
+>>21962912
+How is being a steward of land and nature and cultivator of the community using the full range of his body in rhythm with the cycles of nature and or a sacred diviner using his reasoning faculty by grace of God to know absolute reality and that which is more than life itself any more meaningful that being a bureaucratic process automaton? Am I getting the question right…? I would have to say I’m the latter you don’t really serve a community. You don’t really serve anything. You serve a profit margin, an operating expense line. But this was really about death and not life.
+--- 21963029
+>>21962935
+seems besides the point tbqh, after re-reading it i noticed i hyperfocused on the community and contributing to society, something that an corpo job objectively does do whether we like it or not. im guessing more emphasis is on secularism and >>21962924 what this anon said and i just missed it 
+
+but yeah, all of those things are bad. humans need to find better uses of tech that dont make us in the long run want to kill ourselves
+--- 21963038
+>>21963029
+but the inevitable outcome of this line of thinking is just; lets make tech work better for us, lets go to church more, lets see more green, which is way less sexy then fighting the primordial dragon beast and becoming intune with our nature of stewardship and cultivate a community that incorporates a full range of body rhythm cyclical with nature by the grace of god can i get an Ahhh men?
+--- 21963046
+>>21963018
+corporations through economies of scale serve far more than any individual could on his own. the rest is just abstractions already covered in other posts that i dont really disagree with
+--- 21963053
+>>21956773 (OP)
+By doing it alone.
+--- 21963073
+>>21963038
+>lets make tech work better for us, lets go to church more, lets see more green
+sounds good to me
+>fighting the primordial dragon beast and becoming intune with our nature of stewardship and cultivate a community that incorporates a full range of body rhythm cyclical with nature by the grace of god can i get an Ahhh men?
+why can't we do both? this seems likely to follow from your "less sexy" propositions anyway
+--- 21963078
+>>21956773 (OP)
+TND
+N
+D
+--- 21963084
+>>21963046
+The very nature of economies of scale necessitates that corporations are profit driven. Consider how many “analysts” staff a corporation whose only purpose is to drive greater opex efficiency to improve the bottom line. To say this “serves” anyone is at best a stretch. But we already knew you didn’t agree since you jumped to the most materialistic take right from the start.
+--- 21963090
+>>21963073
+unless im missing something (maybe i am the retard of the thread oh god), my point is that those two things are the exact same, except one sounds cool and intelligent and one is boring
+--- 21963093
+>>21963029
+So to be clear, you think that a programmer at OnlyFans is “contributes to society”?
+--- 21963101
+>>21963093
+yes, it stop incels from going postal and hurting the normies
+--- 21963108
+>>21963084
+>but we already know you didnt agree since you jumped to the most materialistic take right from the start
+>the rest is just abstractions already covered in other posts that i dont really disagree with
+--- 21963114
+>>21963084
+big businesses get big because they are better at serving people. if there was a better deal to be found, people (who largely act rationally) will go do that (to an extent)
+--- 21963135
+>>21963108
+Not really abstractions and neither were they covered. I asked if you really don’t see the difference in being a steward of land or knower of the divine and being a spreadsheet jockey. You said you did not. That’s not exactly “dealing with it”. Your only attempt to dealing with it is somehow insinuating they’re undignified because they’re muddy or bloody.
+--- 21963144
+>>21963090
+Oh, I missed your point. Yeah, one is "boring" if you are someone who doesn't want to actually do anything about these ideals but wax poetic on the internet. I agree that they're the same thing. I also think they're worth doing. Maybe you do too, I can't really tell what position you're coming from.
+>>21963093
+>So to be clear, you think that a cartel coca farmer "contributes to society"?
+--- 21963153
+>>21963114
+That’s wrong. There are plenty of giant businesses that have profited off of preying on people. What you have here is a pseudo-religious belief that you’ve just accepted as gospel for no particular reason at all and a vague notion of “serving” that’s basically incoherent. There’s no evidence for it, and tons of anecdotal examples that suggest otherwise when serving taken in the most obvious and only sensible way ie good for people.
+--- 21963158
+>>21963144
+No, I don’t think drug dealers and criminals contribute to society. Only in your worldview would they make sense because they’re meeting some demand.
+--- 21963168
+>>21963153
+if as you described big businesses were such demonic monsters no one would use them. they do because their is obvious benefits and they are more efficient and effective then the mom and pop stores off yesteryear who whilst comfy were pretty shitty
+--- 21963190
+>>21963135
+king, i believe that humans can do spreadsheets and also tend to their gardens. (i also believe we are capable of going to church)
+
+in my world fella you can have it all, but the one thing i ban is speaking like an aristocrat from the 17th century to appear cool to strangers on the internet
+--- 21963205
+>>21963158
+>No, I don’t think drug dealers and criminals contribute to society.
+Yeah, me neither, that's my point. The ability of a trade to be directed towards evil does not damn the entire trade. Those farmers are harming and not serving society. This does not mean some farmers are not providing vital services without which society could not exist. An OnlyFans programmer is harming society, sure, but other programmers are making valuable contributions to medical technology, for example, at the same time.
+>Only in your worldview would they make sense because they’re meeting some demand.
+That's not my worldview
+--- 21963214
+>>21963168
+people like going to local markets, people like butchers, people like bestoke suit makers. 
+
+but everyone still goes to shartmart because the value for money goes further with a gay corporation behind it. shartmart has done more for humanity in your own value system by serving communities then any small business could
+--- 21963218
+So you see again that you just can't
+You try again to realize you can't
+You try once more to realize you can't
+Think again and only can't
+Think one time and only can't
+Only last see that can't
+Is all there's left,
+no more
+just can't.
+--- 21963235
+>>21963168
+Ever heard of dealing with the devil? This is power at a cost that turns out to be worse than one thought, and there's no way out once we've entered.
+--- 21963239
+>>21963205
+But your point is a non-sequitur. Just because not all things which can be farmed will be good for people does the same follow from modern work in a corporation, and neither was that what I was claiming. You know, you can spend a whole life working in a corporation serving some demand or need that doesn’t necessarily harm society but that doesn’t mean it’s a beautiful or dignified life, and it’s a huge stretch to pretend that all corporations are serving some need. It’s just objectively not true actually. It’s not even true that most of them are. You know, if I’m a financial analyst for a company that produces a life-saving medication among other things, it doesn’t mean that either the company or my job are inherently good or necessary and it certainly doesn’t mean it’s dignified.
+--- 21963244
+>>21963168
+Efficiency and effectiveness is not determinant of good, virtue, or dignity. Predator drones and IEDs are highly effective. That doesn’t mean they’re a good, virtuous, or dignified way of waging war.
+--- 21963249
+>>21963190
+They can’t actually. They spend most of their lives in the cube, and their lives outside of the cube are spent in apartment complexes within a city block or suburban development. I mean, to pretend that you can live the same way as a medieval noble or peasant in a modern suburban/urban society in any conceivable way is just a massive cope.
+--- 21963280
+>>21960024
+I largely agree although I can confirm, through coming from a large Catholic family as well as being in the position of elderly caretaker, that if you take care of yourself (physically, mentally, financially) you can have a good life from 85-89 with that final year(s) being when the brutality sets in. Not the worst trade. A handful, typically women, are blessed to die in their sleep so the peaceful death can be achieved. It's not likely but what in life is?
+--- 21963346
+>a beautiful death in the modern age?
+>tying a bomb to your waist with multiple gallons of colored paint, jumping off an overpass into rush hour traffic
+--- 21963444
+>>21963244
+it is a determinant of good when it means i can buy more with my money, which is why big businesses are big and small businesses are small (besides monopsonies)
+
+>>21963249
+they very much can, they dont because they dont want to (misguided)
+--- 21963465
+>>21963239
+A financial analysist doing spread sheets may allow (though indirect means) life saving medication to give thousands extra life, time to spend with their families, time to enjoy the beauty of the world, more existence to soak up our tragically short lives, that sounds beautiful to me, but i guess it aint honest work like a trve jesus loving farmboy (who serves an infinitesimally small amount of people in his community as compared to the chad excel user) . i guess its not dignified according to who? well you apparently
+--- 21963474
+>>21956865
+If I had to die and knew it in advance, I'd prefer to spend my remaining time completely alone, and maybe say goodbye in the final minutes.
+--- 21963485
+>>21963444
+Ok let me know how your farming efforts go in your Manhattan shoebox apartment, or your Hoboken apartment complex. 
+
+By the way, stop confusing a mere hobby with a life.
+--- 21963497
+>>21963465
+You keep coming back to this “touch more people therefore intrinsically good” narrative but you know it’s bullshit. Just because you “serve” more people doesn’t mean your life is dignified in any sort of way. And this is a fantasy scenario in the first place. Show me the pharma company that makes exclusively life saving medications with no negative externalities. It’s ridiculous.
+--- 21963518
+>>21963497
+ive realised this conversation is pointless. i can give you a million responses but it will all hinge on what wildly different interpretation of dignity, beauty or whatever buzzword youve got in your head. its why when i give replies your post will always fall back to another buzzword in your markov chain like mind
+--- 21963526
+>>21963485
+NIGGA JUST MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE
+
+(or build your gay little farm on the roof kek)
+
+>mere hobby with a life
+a life is just a hobby done for a long enough time. a boxer is the same person he was when he picked it up for fun, he just commits more to it then joe normal who does it 2x a week
+--- 21963535
+>>21963518
+You gave a single response. “Touch/serve more people therefore good”. That was your only response.
+--- 21963541
+>>21963535
+when interrogating someone's ethics you have to go point by point anon. i realised once i won the argument about efficiency that you were never going to concede because there was a dozen other half baked buzzwords waiting in store for you to lose against me to, but i dont want to play this game so im exiting here
+--- 21963572
+>>21963541
+>everything my ideology doesn't a priori admit is a half-baked buzzword
+You've shit up this whole thread with garbage. Time to kys, hopefully in a beautiful way. Or maybe just get slain by an economic refugee while some soi makes a soi face for his epic tiktok
+--- 21963598
+>>21963084
+Don't bother arguing with components of Moloch.
+They can't say anything that offends.
+--- 21963616
+>>21959333
+>in a healthy body
+HAHAHA, omg, ha, seriously. 
+How old are you guys? Really? How many times have you personally watched the game end? Do you have any idea how totally random this shit is? 
+How many loved ones have you watched "actively dying?" Do you even know what active dying is? 
+
+I've seen the healthy drop at 50 and the fattest, smokinest, most lecherous bastards live out their days with roughly no trouble in paradise. Enjoy the illusion of control while you still have it. You still have your plot armor.
+--- 21963678
+>>21963018
+>Serfdom good
+>Organized child diddling religion good
+>Engineers LE BAD
+--- 21963686
+>>21962909
+>>21962918
+>>21962953
+Of course, my bad. Translation for zoomers:
+
+First point: 
+Doing literally anything for attention is not the same as trying to achieve something meaningful, which in turn will bring you positive attention along with it. The difference here is that attention is not the goal but the secondary benefit.
+
+Second point: 
+Anon thinks Mishima "turned gay" because he needed to feel adored by other men. First of all, thinking someone can just turn gay is already a retarded take, but on top of that, he also thinks adoration by other man can only mean getting fucked in the ass, and doesn't understand that someone can be attracted to masculine characteristics in an abstract way, without wanting to get fucked in the ass.
+
+Last point:
+Anon is just another arrogant and not very wise specimen attacking a strawman of Mishima because tackling the actual character would require intellectual courage and honesty, and he's not really worth entertaining beyond a few mean jabs.
+
+Conclusion:
+Next time you encounter a condensed idea that flies over your head try reading again more carefully and breaking it down for yourself just like that. I know you guys suffer from decreased attention spans which are not entirely your fault, but you have to try.
+
+If your reading comprehension is so bad you can't even keep up with stuff like that, you're gonna get filtered by 90% of the literary corpus frequently discussed around here.
+--- 21963700
+>>21963686
+>try reading again more carefully and breaking it down for yourself
+I prefer ignorant and half-cocked knee-jerk reaction.
+--- 21963746
+>>21956865
+based
+--- 21963766
+>>21962713
+>>21962749
+Not him but remember in Confessions he said that as a kid he tried to dress up as his mom.
+--- 21964103
+>>21963766
+And? As a small kid, I once dressed up as a pink frilly princess for a costume thing in school. I and my family didn't think anything of it (although the teachers apparently reprimanded me and said boys can't be princesses) and I've never once felt insecure in or a need to question my masculine gender identity. There are countless stories and images of otherwise traditionally masculine family men (often exaggeratingly) crossdressing on some occasion. Mythology goes much farther, and I haven't seen records suggesting believers thought it was all that questionable, beyond the common strangeness folklore and the supernatural tends to have. Point being, taking something like that of emblematic of a larger issue like gender dysphoria is very unreasonable.
+
+Yes, I know Mishima was a homo who fetishized masculinity and death. Although I've yet to see anything suggesting he had actual sex with a man.
+--- 21964271
+>>21963686
+>and doesn't understand that someone can be attracted to masculine characteristics in an abstract way, without wanting to get fucked in the ass
+You guys understand that homosexuality means sexual attraction, right? A man doesn't need to have sexual acts with other males to be gay, the mere attraction makes one homosexual.
+Also, bisexuality exists. And the same applies to it.
+--- 21964514
+>>21956773 (OP)
+>beautiful death
+
+"Morita had been assigned to serve as Mishima's second (kaishakunin), cutting off his head with a sword at the end of the ritual to spare him unnecessary pain. However, Morita proved unable to complete his task, and after three failed attempts to sever Mishima's head, Koga had to step in and complete the task."
+
+KEK
+--- 21965005
+>>21962894
+>that a beautiful and noble death is indeed impossible in modernity
+
+Except that his gay lover/s fucked even that up too lmao
+--- 21965222
+All these responses to >>21956865... dear diary, today /lit/ was based.
+--- 21965447
+>>21963686
+This style of writing is unimaginably ugly to me, whereas I found the first post brilliant. The irony of this exchange taking place in this of all threads is not lost on me. My generation really are a plague, aren't they?
+--- 21965457
+>>21963686
+>Doing literally anything for attention is not the same as trying to achieve something meaningful, which in turn will bring you positive attention along with it. The difference here is that attention is not the goal but the secondary benefit.
+As God's joke anon already pointed out, the proof lies in his authorship that is conspicuously and expertly crafted to attract attention without transgression, which is where real meaningfulness would lie for someone like Mishima.
+>Anon thinks Mishima "turned gay" because he needed to feel adored by other men. First of all, thinking someone can just turn gay is already a retarded take, but on top of that, he also thinks adoration by other man can only mean getting fucked in the ass, and doesn't understand that someone can be attracted to masculine characteristics in an abstract way, without wanting to get fucked in the ass.
+Such as being attracted to the boundless adoration that men are capable of, yes?
+>Anon is just another arrogant and not very wise specimen attacking a strawman of Mishima because tackling the actual character would require intellectual courage and honesty, and he's not really worth entertaining beyond a few mean jabs.
+Not really. That he was a giant attention-whore is the claim, and the arguments to support it are pretty compelling. This point of yours, in contrast, is just vacuously saying "NO, OPPOSITE". 
+Not convinced, I'm strongly on Mishima was an attention-whoring queen team.
+--- 21965459
+>>21961962
+Good post, but 
+>In short: he did it to satisfy his narcissist, faggot queen urges; what he attained instead was becoming a joke so sophisticated and perfect that it must have come about by divine intervention.
+Jesus fucking Christ, calm the fuck down anon.
+--- 21965476
+Women never shoot themselves in the face when they go to die. Because they care about looking pretty and shit. This guy is basically the same. How is he even trad this literal faggot. I hate twittertrads so much
+--- 21965489
+>>21964271
+Wanting to get fucked in the ass is being used here as an indication of sexual attraction, while the point made is that sexual and conceptual attraction, while not mutually exclusive, are two different things.
+
+Can't even keep up with the dumbed down version.
+--- 21965494
+>>21961962
+You made my whole day
+--- 21965497
+>>21965476
+>guy who slits his stomach open was a tiktoker bro
+why do you spiteful womanish faggots always project your spiteful womanish faggot brains on others, constantly and without end?
+--- 21965504
+>>21965497
+Go easy on the faggot slur bro. Your hero liked getting fucked by men. You should participate in homosexual activities as soon as you can to tribute him kek
+--- 21965505
+>>21965504
+porn fried meme goblin
+--- 21965518
+>>21965505
+Why do you specifically seem so mad because of the homo accusation. Is there anything you want to confess, anon? I'm here if you need me :)
+--- 21965547
+>>21956883
+Quite literally the only good and on topic post in the entire thread.
+--- 21965555
+>>21965457
+>the proof lies in his authorship that is conspicuously and expertly crafted to attract attention without transgression, which is where real meaningfulness would lie for someone like Mishima.
+Transgression being the only way for Mishima to express himself meaningfully is just one strawmaning retard's opinion. He had more than one central theme to his writing. Start thinking for yourself instead of regurgitating bait.
+
+>Such as being attracted to the boundless adoration that men are capable of, yes?
+Yes, but there's a big dishonest leap between recognizing that one can be attracted to that and claiming it was the driving motivation for his entire life and thought.
+
+>That he was a giant attention-whore is the claim, and the arguments to support it are pretty compelling.
+Reducing his desire for recognition which is a more sophisticated need artists have to attention-whoring is the pitiful strawman premise to his whole troll essay and you're not perceptive enough to realize. What more can I say.
+
+>I'm strongly on Mishima was an attention-whoring queen team.
+It's hilarious to me how so many Mishima haters don't realize how their elaborate resentment only speaks to his achievements in tocuhing sensitive chords. I'm not even a hardcore fan, but I can't stand this brand of larping intellectual coward. You'll never write him off losers.

lit/21956962.txt

@@ -70,11 +70,6 @@ Damn, even Jesus was chasing crazy pussy?
 --- 21958191
 >>21958176
 Stop projecting coomerbrain fren.
---- 21958217
->>21956962 (OP)
-So when he realized he can't actually save anyone, because they are in fact Russian, he also midwitedly decided to do the Russian thing and just pretend he did by writing some make believe fiction where his characters actually complete some sort of redemption arc.
-
-It's probably what some white leftoid would go through after deciding to live amongst some eternally poor, oppressed minority. When that inevitable realization that it's no coincidence they live the way they do hits, being a midwit he'll have no chance but to assume it's because of some socio-economic factors or ingrained racism traumas or whatever and decide he must make stuff up to compensate. Suddenly, you have scholars who rang the wrong doorbell in the middle of the night, joggers out for a run, real assets to their community doing charity work, so on. So heckin' wholesome seeing the good in people, very Christian-pilled.
 --- 21958231
 >>21956996
 His biography explains a lot of things from his novels. For example, there is a quote in Crime and Punishment who goes like this: Where is it I've read that someone condemned to death says or thinks, an hour before his death, that if he had to live on some high rock, on such a narrow ledge that he'd only room to stand, and the ocean, everlasting darkness, everlasting solitude, everlasting tempest around him, if he had to remain standing on a square yard of space all his life, a thousand years, eternity, it were better to live so than to die at once. Only to live, to live and live! Life, whatever it may be!
@@ -185,3 +180,107 @@ That is a pretty lewd image for the day. Amazing how women today will post thems
 --- 21961382
 >>21961373
 I wonder if it will ever evolve to outright nudity, or if our grandkids will be appalled to see what women are willing to display of themselves. Or maybe we're approaching the end of history for publicly acceptable nudity.
+--- 21962647
+>>21961382
+It probably won’t. Hygiene becomes a limitation at a certain point.
+--- 21962651
+>>21961373
+Say what? Female nudes have been painted/sculpted throughout history.
+--- 21962663
+>>21956962 (OP)
+But Svidrigaïlov shot himself in the head with his ex dead wife’s revolver he took from Dounia (Raskolnikov’s sister, by the Neva river infront of a stranger.
+--- 21963036
+>>21956962 (OP)
+Wow, how dare he.
+--- 21963106
+>>21961344
+The look in her eyes is something else.
+This guy surely could paint. He was a "faggot" though for betraying her trust.
+But maybe this work could only be made with trust, surrender and betrayal...
+--- 21963111
+>>21961344
+>>21963106
+-La Dame en bleu-
+
+Blue dress
+Blue veins
+White feathers
+
+Almost transparent skin
+Milk-covered flesh
+
+(What will he think about it?
+Will he like it or feel disgust?)
+
+She was thinking while hurt
+By the ultimate arrow
+
+Silver coins for your sadness
+was the only thing he cared
+
+little frightened dove
+you deserved it better
+--- 21963120
+>>21963106
+>literally and figuratively a faggot
+should've been lynched instead of the poor woman.
+--- 21963455
+>>21958231
+>the guard was already pointing his gun at him
+fucker should have pulled the trigger and saved us all some grief.
+--- 21963463
+>>21960794
+Oh............. dunno. 
+Anyone else what to chime in?
+--- 21963469
+>>21960913
+they def get stretched out from having babies.
+--- 21963473
+>>21960980
+have you considered writing?
+--- 21963824
+>>21963455
+this but for you (I'm holding the gun)
+--- 21964349
+>>21963106
+I wish I could have saved her bros.
+--- 21964361
+>>21957048
+Source?
+--- 21964367
+Кaпитaн cпacти шлюхy
+--- 21964372
+>>21957695
+Here I was thinking he had the greatest imagination of all time by perfectly capturing (seemingly) a dying man's thoughts. I didn't consider that he just have just asked somebody lol
+--- 21964408
+>>21958247
+Doesn't Dmitry kiss Grushenka's feet as well in that bedroom chapter right before the police arrive?
+--- 21964418
+>>21962663
+It's a warning for those taking the bad end
+--- 21964455
+>>21960980
+have you considered jacking off?
+--- 21964475
+>>21964455
+unironically a good idea. Sometimes I start to feel like life is meaningless, and then I realize I haven't jerked off in a week or two because I've been busy or tired or something, and then after blowing a load, the feeling dissipates. one's physical state has such a strong influence over one's mental state. that's why exercise is so important, even if you don't like athletic type things like me (and probably a good portion of this website).
+--- 21964477
+>>21963111
+This poem sucks kill yourself inspirationfag
+--- 21964711
+>>21964477
+There’s some good elements. Take the rope, cynical faggot.
+--- 21964722
+There's unironically nothing wrong with this.
+--- 21964737
+>>21961344
+Bruh Somov looked like this. Imagine simping to the point of suicidal despondency for pic rel.
+--- 21964997
+>>21957104
+If you ever had a prostitute you're a subhuman.
+--- 21965021
+>>21961210
+what's Russian for 'mup da doo didda po me bidda be dat tum bix nood muhfugga'
+--- 21965509
+>>21964737
+are people on this website at all capable of thinking of human intimacy and relationships beyond superficial terms?

lit/21957087.txt

@@ -278,3 +278,90 @@ A syndiffeonic relation is a mathematical way to express difference within samen
 >rephrases parts of the Tractatus poorly but in a way that makes it marginally more accessible to pleboids
 >NEW KIND OF REALITY THEORY
 epic
+--- 21962065
+>>21961754
+Someone tell Mr Langan about abstract algebra. The highly advanced idea of isomorphism might interest him, for instance.
+--- 21962098
+To be real, though, nobody who got roped in by German Idealism, with similar "deep" abstractions(self-positing! difference and sameness going round and round weewoo!), has any right to criticize CTMU. Hegel is just as bad, if not worse.
+--- 21962727
+>>21962065
+Someone should tell you about Langan's work. Have you heard of it? Because I'm looking at it right now and morphisms are mentioned all the fucking time. Next time say something meaningful bitch.
+--- 21962807
+>>21957087 (OP)
+I don't know much about the ctmu, but it seems to sounds a lot like objective idealism, where reality objectively exists as information and the fundament substance is mind, does that sound like fair comparison?
+
+Also what is CTMU trying to accomplish or prove? There's a lot of lingo that gives the impression it's trying to be very precise, but what advancement is it trying to make that warrants all that?
+--- 21962859
+>>21962807
+>it seems to sounds a lot like objective idealism, where reality objectively exists as information and the fundament substance is mind, does that sound like fair comparison?
+Wrong, the CTMU expounds a dual-aspect monism of information and cognition.
+>Also what is CTMU trying to accomplish or prove?
+https://archive.is/8FaNA#selection-613.0-613.48
+--- 21962863
+stop fucking spamming this shit
+--- 21962869
+>>21962727
+Uh-huh. Then why invent a term like syndiffeonic relation to describe a perfectly well-known algebra101 concept? Leads me to suspect he uses the term morphism only to sound fancy, too. 
+Anyway, can you give an example of an applied syndiffeonic relation? Maybe I'm just not seeing the brilliant innovation there
+--- 21962928
+>>21962859
+>https://archive.is/8FaNA#selection-613.0-613.48
+So it wants to unify the terminology of some sciences and theology, citing quantum gravity. That sounds really stupid, uniting relativity with QM isn't a matter of physicists lacking the ability to communicate across their fields, it's simply another step to make in science. And wanting to "unite" theology and science is just bizarre, unless CTMU is trying to found a religion of its own, which seems to be the case. These fields exist for organizational purposes, "uniting" them would be a detriment.
+--- 21963064
+>>21957087 (OP)
+>inasmuch is first word
+based retard
+--- 21963209
+>>21962869
+>Then why invent a term like syndiffeonic relation to describe a perfectly well-known algebra101 concept?
+Except this isn't actually what a syndiffeonic relation is, because the morphism concept is not sufficiently general to establish the existence of a distributed "sameness" over any arbitrary "difference", because it does not tell you what kind of morphisms you are or are not allowed to posit. That's why the concept is called "syndiffeonesis" and not "morphism". An applied syndiffeonic relation is when you attach a truth value to any two statements and try to dualistically "separate" them by excluding information represented by one statement from the universe of discourse of the other. Syndiffeonesis disallows you to do this because it is a metamorphistic concept and therefore has metaphysical implications. Saying "X has Y relation to Z" has comparatively fewer metaphysical implications.
+--- 21963219
+Chris you fucking nigger stop posting your old bullshit.
+--- 21963230
+>>21962928
+>So it wants to unify the terminology of some sciences and theology
+No dumbass, he never said anything about unifying "some sciences". A theory of everything is about everything, not "some" things. This is why it is called a theory of everything.
+--- 21963248
+>>21963209
+>An applied syndiffeonic relation is when you attach a truth value to any two statements and try to dualistically "separate" them by excluding information represented by one statement from the universe of discourse of the other.
+I asked for an EXAMPLE. Is it fucking impossible to give one literal, concrete example? Because that's the impression one gets reading Langans papers, the lack of application to anything while insisting it applies to everything, because.... it just does, ok?
+--- 21963282
+>>21963248
+A concrete example is when you perceive some distinguishable X in opposition to not-X. Syndiffeonesis tells you that the X you perceived cannot ultimately be separated from not-X due to shared rules of structure. In this case, the shared rule is "perception".
+--- 21963319
+>>21963230
+No "theory of everything" needs to put theology and science together, ctmu is clearly a cult, thanks for making this clear to me... Lmao
+--- 21963352
+>>21963319
+a theory of everything needs to provide sufficient theoretical room for the inclusion of every true statement from any and all intellectual disciplines you stupid fucking nigger
+--- 21963777
+>>21963352
+>the inclusion of every true statement
+so no theology lol
+--- 21963782
+>>21963777
+phahhah XDXDXD L*NGAN BTFO ETRENALLY XDXD CTMUSISTER WE LOST OHNONOONNONO
+--- 21963825
+Having a high IQ is a curse, isn't it.
+--- 21964206
+bump
+--- 21964398
+>>21957087 (OP)
+
+>Inasmuch
+
+Stopped reading right there.
+--- 21964464
+>>21963064
+>>21964398
+--- 21965466
+>>21957421
+>If it had predictive power it would be falsifiable, and therefore false
+Thread should’ve ended here desu, anyone arguing with you beyond this point is gonna catch retardation by proxy
+--- 21965471
+>>21965466
+there are obviously two different people in this thread who support the CTMU and the one who is making the longer posts obviously did not post that. this gif you just posted proves you are at least 90 times more retarded than the person who posted that anyhow
+--- 21965546
+>>21963282
+>All is One
+That's deep bro, never heard it before

lit/21957744.txt

@@ -163,3 +163,109 @@ Then I meet a random crank on 4chan and he actually spends all his free time stu
 I think academics are fine if you want 120-130 IQ people trying and failing to be the characters from the sitcom Frasier. Grad school is just where girls whose dads make six to low seven figures go to spend their mid twenties to early thirties, because they have nowhere else to be. It's been that way since the 90s. The men used to be more of a mixed bag but now they're all feminized sweatervest guys with HR personalities.
 --- 21961846
 None of the people above did a PhD in philosophy and it's obvious.
+--- 21962112
+>>21961846
+this
+--- 21962183
+>>21958774
+This is reasonable, but modern academia does not attempt to let you "learn from professionals". Perhaps it once was, but the system is not set up for mentorship.
+--- 21962224
+>>21957892
+what makes one good at philosophy?
+--- 21962237
+>>21962224
+creating infuelntial concepts and theories, that respond to problems in an innovative way
+--- 21962244
+>>21957744 (OP)
+>I heard philosophy majors on /lit/ telling everyone that philosophy cannot be self-taught.
+The fact is that Socrates' mere existence disproves that. He was self-taught, and so were many other philosophers throughout history. Academic philosophers of today are desperate to justify the structure of academic philosophy however, because they live in that environment. But >>21960599,
+>>21961551, and >>21961558 are right about many things. Academic philosophers are afraid of thinking outside the box of their training and the established limits of debate. And NDEs are an excellent example of this, because NDEs are real and prove that there is an afterlife and that we are eternal and will go to heaven unconditionally when we die. But academic philosophers tend to be ignorant about NDEs.
+
+>b-b-but NDEs are dreams or hallucinations somehow!!!!!1!
+Already explicitly refuted in the literature you likely have not read on NDEs.
+
+Here is a very persuasive argument for why NDEs are real:
+
+https://youtu.be/U00ibBGZp7o [Embed]
+
+It emphasizes that NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and when people go deep into the NDE, they all become convinced. As this article points out:
+
+https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mysteries-consciousness/202204/does-afterlife-obviously-exist 
+
+>"Among those with the deepest experiences 100 percent came away agreeing with the statement, "An afterlife definitely exists"."
+
+Since NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and they are all convinced, then 100% of the population become convinced that there is an afterlife when they have a sufficiently deep NDE themselves. When you dream and wake up, you instantly realize that life is more real than your dreams. When you have an NDE, the same thing is happening, but on a higher level, as you immediately realize that life is the deep dream and the NDE world is the undeniably real world by comparison.
+
+Or as one person quoted in pic related summarized their NDE:
+
+>"As my soul left my body, I found myself floating in a swirling ocean of multi-colored light. At the end, I could see and feel an even brighter light pulling me toward it, and as it shined on me, I felt indescribable happiness. I remembered everything about eternity - knowing, that we had always existed, and that all of us are family. Then old friends and loved ones surrounded me, and I knew without a doubt I was home, and that I was so loved."
+
+Needless to say, even ultraskeptical neuroscientists are convinced by really deep NDEs.
+--- 21962343
+>>21962244
+Based NDE shoehorner 
+
+>>21962183
+It has all the worst aspects of mentorship with none of the good ones. You get overbearing careerists who want "bright" students to carry out their research programs and dysfunctional and unprofessional professors who are basically just perpetual grad students themselves, but they failed upwards into positions of power and now their erratic behavior is tolerated and even encouraged, so you have to email them 50 times to get a response but when they want something from you they can vaguely gesture at it in one email and then make your life hell for a year when you don't incorporate it. 
+
+The only benefit of going through the process, both undergrad and postgrad, is that it forces you to work on projects for a long time. In real life you almost certainly won't do this, so you will never learn anything even with the best intentions. It's artificial pressure but it's still pressure.
+--- 21962405
+>>21962244
+Håll käften Jens
+--- 21962408
+>>21962244
+>And NDEs are an excellent example of this, because NDEs are real and prove that there is an afterlife and that we are eternal and will go to heaven unconditionally when we die.
+How do near death experiences proves afterife?
+--- 21962412
+>>21962244
+>>"As my soul left my body, I found myself floating in a swirling ocean of multi-colored light. At the end, I could see and feel an even brighter light pulling me toward it, and as it shined on me, I felt indescribable happiness. I remembered everything about eternity - knowing, that we had always existed, and that all of us are family. Then old friends and loved ones surrounded me, and I knew without a doubt I was home, and that I was so loved."
+Kek that sounds like it's a quote from a drug forum. This is why amateur philosophers are not taken seriously by anyone. This is crap.
+--- 21963002
+>>21962244
+>NDEs are real and prove that there is an afterlife and that we are eternal and will go to heaven unconditionally when we die
+
+See, I don't strictly agree with this, but at the same time the arguments given by the book are genuinely insightful and compelling and are far better than you'd expect if you were just anticipating quackery. If you go in with the attitude that "NDEs couldn't possibly 'be real', that's just unscientific", then you are going in with dishonest bias, and are not honestly engaging with the knowledge we actually have. At the same time, I reserve the right to decide that, even if the "hyper-real" headspace in which the NDEs occur is truly as people describe, and we have solid evidence that it is, this still doesn't rule out the likely possibility that you, as a person, with your individual personality and memories, simply does not survive death, but people just get a very convincing impression that it they might due to the confrontation with a deeper and legitimately 'more real' aspect of conscious experience that they wouldn't otherwise be privy to in ordinary existence.
+--- 21963008
+>>21957744 (OP)
+every paper is reviewed by fraudsters
+--- 21963156
+>>21963002
+Kek is this what that mem book is about? that near death experience prove the afterlife?
+--- 21963193
+>>21957744 (OP)
+>So tell me, /lit/, why do philosophy majors cope so hard?
+Because the academics who translated a lot of the philosophy books you see did so in a way that you're unable to comprehend unless you stop to think on every single fucking sentence. The workaround is of course listening to the scholars and what they have to say about it, but I don't enjoy that, I just wanna read it.
+--- 21963279
+>>21963193
+This is not it. English texts are often very dense and heavy, or if you think they're corrupted by this alleged academic tradition, ancient texts with the simplest possible translations will still have you spend a very long time thinking on every sentence. People still talk about the ideas in Plato's texts, and there's no real obscurantism in translation there. You could but won't learn to read these texts in their original language to surely know this first hand. There's no particular "key" to the field of philosophy in academia. They simply provide reading lists, discussion, coercion and academic databases at their best. Chances are you are not building your foundation before diving into later texts, or otherwise just severely underestimating the effort required. 
+
+Stop posting and start reading and you will soon regret your stance.
+--- 21963617
+Can anyone who actually studied philosophy academically chime in?
+--- 21963629
+>>21963617
+https://youtu.be/9HNAfqqM3eY [Embed]
+--- 21963643
+>>21963629
+I meant a person not a prostitute
+--- 21963868
+>>21963617
+Philosophy grad here. Y'all dumb as hell fr
+--- 21963886
+>philosophy cannot be self-taught
+why
+--- 21964166
+>>21961558
+that's not what i'm saying, i'm talking about faculty mainly
+it's just that big private universities like the ivys or u chicago or stanford have more money and better resources, so typically they draw in better talent
+flagship state schools can do the same, but the smaller ones often lag behind and have fewer tenure track positions that pay less anyways, so ultimately you wind up with a more stagnant academic culture
+i did my undergrad at a big state school and am doing my phd at a top private school rn, there are definitely cultural differences but there're also differences between schools or even just departments
+fwiw the smartest person i know cannot get into a phd program because he doesn't have the research experience / recommendations, so it's not pure meritocracy
+he's insanely good at physics but just wasn't driven enough / was too mentally ill for a long time to build up the credentials he would need, so now he's working in a pharmacy
+this sort of thing happens pretty frequently
+--- 21964229
+>>21957744 (OP)
+this just says more about the average college student's work than anything about your knowledge of philosophy
+--- 21965393
+>>21964229
+How do you know?

lit/21957882.txt

@@ -125,9 +125,6 @@ Kill yourself
 --- 21959822
 >>21957895
 Because everything about her is performative and not genuine. She invokes cool shit but makes it all about her own overly manufactured persona and ruins it in the process. In short, she's what millenials referred to as a hipster.
---- 21959837
->>21957882 (OP)
-Percy wrote it
 --- 21961149
 >>21957882 (OP)
 Her husband wrote it. /thread
@@ -139,3 +136,93 @@ No one who has read that book would think a man wrote it, much less a man with a
 >>21957882 (OP)
 I hate that fucking powerposter, he's such a fag.
 rs is nice as a /lit/ retirement home but it's still reddit and has gay-ass power users, boo!
+--- 21962176
+>>21959357
+Neither did numerous authors heralded as greats or that are a part of a literary canon, yet academia had a tendency to scrutinize females, in this case Mary Shelly, and to discredit them for their rightful contribution to the literary world and artistic achievement.
+--- 21962235
+>>21957882 (OP)
+I have no gf and I must COOM.
+--- 21962257
+>>21959363
+Why are all the Ss Fs in those old books? Is it a pdf translation error? Ruins the whole thing
+--- 21962377
+>>21957882 (OP)
+I forgot who Mary Shelley is and thought she's the curly-haired lady from the pic.
+>Turns out she's the statue
+
+In relation to your question, maybe because back then there's no phones and internet so people there write to pass the time. So their imaginations are vivid.
+--- 21962384
+>>21957895
+What's wrong with these people??
+--- 21962403
+>>21962257
+In case you're serious:
+https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_s
+--- 21962406
+>>21962384
+Take motherhood and family away from a woman and she stays permanently a 14 year old cutter whose only way of getting attention is her depreciating sexuality
+
+They aren't like men where they grow into adults and can do anything they want, they either grow into mothers or they stay teenage partygoers but increasingly miserable and with increasingly depreciated desirability to sustain it
+--- 21962709
+>>21962384
+It’s a film. Never saw it, but it’s probably about how messed up autoerotic asphyxiation is. 
+
+>>21962406
+So, you lost your mother at 13 anon? She’s a minor actress
+--- 21962719
+>>21959357
+The Last Man is pretty good.
+--- 21962876
+>>21957882 (OP)
+One word.
+
+Energy.
+--- 21963020
+>>21957882 (OP)
+Ann Radcliffe is the real queen of gothic fiction
+--- 21963302
+>>21957882 (OP)
+Roastoid apologists seething over a women having a ghostwriter: the thread
+--- 21963475
+>>21957882 (OP)
+Lord Byron wrote it to her privately and she stole it and published it under her name. Shits a sham.
+--- 21963717
+>>21957882 (OP)
+it's not like she had much to do back then
+--- 21963871
+>>21962406
+Men are like that too. If they never settle down and have kids, it's very rare that they don't stay lifelong teens
+--- 21964187
+>>21962709
+It's about Epstein and it's as bad as you think it is
+--- 21964369
+>>21957895
+>inflate women's egos all through their lives
+>give them shit because they are pretty or a woman or both
+>shocked that the output of telling a human that they are perfect and can do no wrong produces a mentally ill and anti-social person
+I could have never seen this coming... What a shock...
+--- 21964431
+>>21959461
+The sub was so good until last year or so
+--- 21964488
+>>21957885
+Man, have you read the edited versions he and Byron influenced? He only made it worse
+--- 21964553
+>>21963871
+Just not true is it. But whatever helps you sleep at night.
+--- 21965420
+>>21964369
+What an idiot
+how can you be so un-self-aware
+--- 21965424
+>>21965420
+its boring when I'm talking to the same person jumping from thread to thread that is desperate for attention.
+--- 21965429
+>>21965424
+You've guessed wrong
+--- 21965472
+>>21962403
+Thanks I had no idea wtf it was honestly. I still think its fucking stupid and wildly distracting.
+--- 21965531
+>>21959424
+Why are you women so pathetic?

lit/21957953.txt

@@ -145,3 +145,108 @@ oh man to add my teacher used to call my print handwriting artistic and even the
 >>21957996
 >krebs cycle chart
 What you studying, if I may ask?
+--- 21962049
+>>21961934
+You can have more than just one writing styles you know.
+--- 21962129
+>>21961860
+There are some really helpful cursive books online where you follow along and it teaches you everything through repetition. Amazon has them for about $10.
+--- 21962185
+>>21961860
+Tilt the page by 20% lmao.
+--- 21962439
+>>21961801
+The last word is unreadable because of the way you connect the м and the two л's
+--- 21962447
+>>21958549
+neat
+--- 21962448
+>>21962439
+Just noticed it's supposed to be the "и" letter. Anyway, I'm pretty sure it's supposed to look like this
+--- 21962506
+>>21958496
+Lovely quote, my brother. Ecclesiastes is my favourite book in the Bible.
+--- 21962529
+>>21957953 (OP)
+I only write Russian in cursive.
+--- 21962533
+>>21962529
+>Gilen on tehnyt mitään
+???
+--- 21962540
+>>21957953 (OP)
+I wasn't taught cursive in school, but I eventually taught it to myself (it isn't perfect) because my print handwriting became a weird cursive mash-up over time. I can never write fast enough to keep up with my thoughts, so I started stringing all my letters together. I eventually figured I may as well just learn cursive to speed it up more. It never looks very nice though, because I write so fast that sometimes I skip over letters and then have to go back and add them into the word after the fact. I kind of tried to write nicely here, but I still did this a couple of times.
+Something I just cannot understand is how some women can sit and labour over each letter and have that nice looking handwriting (you know the type). If I took that long to write, I'd forget chunks of what I was thinking about and nothing would be fluid. Even when typing, I can barely keep up with my thoughts.
+--- 21962546
+>>21962540
+Rotated, not sure why it got flipped when I uploaded.
+--- 21962549
+>>21962448
+--- 21962552
+>>21962540
+>I wasn't taught cursive in school, but I eventually taught it to myself
+Favstian spirit.
+--- 21962566
+>>21962533
+Eilen en tehnyt mitään
+>Yesterday I didn't do anything
+I'm Finnish
+--- 21962581
+>>21962556
+--- 21962583
+>>21962552
+I desire knowledge for sure, but I would never go so far as Faust went, God help me.
+--- 21962589
+>>21962581
+Blessings in Christ be upon you as well, brother.
+--- 21962614
+>>21962546
+Wow I'm stealing your x's. Very nice
+--- 21962806
+>>21957953 (OP)
+ESL attempt
+how the fuck do you connect the lowercase t
+--- 21962830
+>>21962049
+what's the point if you're not good at either one of them 
+i think i just take autistic joy in writing like a telegraph machine
+--- 21962837
+>>21962830
+Based.
+--- 21962883
+Autism: the thread
+--- 21963048
+>>21962883
+You do realize you're on 4chan, right?
+--- 21963486
+>>21961942
+neuroprotective mechanisms of the ketogenic diet
+--- 21963512
+>>21957953 (OP)
+Anyone have any recommendations on how to improve handwriting?
+--- 21963570
+>>21962581
+Did you write that with your non-dominant hand?
+--- 21963585
+>>21963570
+--- 21963610
+>>21963585
+>breaking word in the middle of a syllable
+--- 21963630
+>>21963610
+--- 21963977
+some of you write like an eight year old. how did this happen?
+--- 21964014
+>>21963977
+Some of us are eight years old.
+--- 21964425
+Real quick notes on Dubliners for a writing class
+--- 21964442
+>>21962614
+Flattered, thanks. No idea what the correct way is to do them desu
+--- 21964451
+>>21964146
+woman spotted
+--- 21964594
+>>21964146
+Found a French

lit/21958040.txt

@@ -752,3 +752,534 @@ There are light novels, manga, and anime about that. Certainly there must also b
 >>21961956
 This is the author. Well, when she was younger.
 She's probably into kinky sex.
+--- 21962052
+>>21958244
+>The Kushiel's Legacy series is set in a medieval world modeled after Earth (the map at the beginning of the novels is a map of Earth, with creatively historically named countries). The main characters are from Terre d'Ange, which occupies the area of France. 
+Why do Americans do this? How would you feel if we write about America being some low fantasy shitrealm with story set in West Virgil'd Ennia?
+--- 21962056
+>>21961938
+Off the top of my head no. The most prominent physician in a fantasy novel I have read was Lions of Al-Rassan. But there are a lot of point of view characters, and her medical practice isn’t the focus of the book.
+--- 21962067
+>>21961938
+Outlander, Redo of Healer or the Naruto fanfic Sanitize?
+--- 21962071
+>>21962067
+Shouting “heal” and then mind fucking your sex slaves into loving you has very little to do with medicine. Also he asked for a book.
+--- 21962076
+>>21962071
+Redo of Healer is a book series
+--- 21962083
+>>21958244
+Is this the new King posting? Weird choice.
+--- 21962093
+>>21961963
+yummy
+--- 21962115
+>>21961444
+>I played the El Cid Age of Empires II: The Conquerors campaign
+I kneel before your power and your digits, my liege.
+--- 21962124
+>60 books
+
+As someone who vaguely knows what Warhammer is please explain this bullshit
+--- 21962125
+>>21962124
+There's few core books there, a lot of standalones and some compilations.
+--- 21962132
+>>21962125
+i guess I picked the wrong image
+--- 21962142
+>>21962124
+>>21962132
+Explain what specifically? Horus Heresy? It's pure slop that sells to fans of the hobby who buy and read it do express their nerd cred, simple as. Mostly bad slop at that, due to being mass produced by a battalion of bottom-tier authors with serious lacking of self-awareness. It's pretty much directly analogous to old Star Wars EU novels in most of it's characteristics, including like 3-6 books in the entire series actually being rather some ok slop. 
+
+Think of these books like they're Nendroid, but British and made out of pages and fanfiction.
+--- 21962146
+>>21962052
+>West Virgil'd Ennia
+HOLY SOVL AND KINO
+>>21962083
+Clearly I am a King for posting such gems
+--- 21962170
+>>21962124
+>The new light of science shines more brightly than the old light of sorcery. Why, then, do we not seem to see as far?
+
+The series fractures after 3 books. Regains focus in book 51, and concludes in a more focused and continuous 12 part series called The Siege of Terror. Everything in-between is just "What was Aurelius KillMurderfist doing when Swarmbucket the Vile Orificer broke the blockade on Lucifer Prime" side stories that you only read if you are a fan of those characters.
+
+16 books total, still an outrageous amount considering the quality of what you will be reading, but that is basically what it all reduces to.
+--- 21962173
+>>21959763
+>>21960302
+Was bored this weekend and reread mother of learning. 
+
+One thing that stuck out to me a bit was the golem crafting - there was never any real 'training arc' with them like there was with other specialties. For something that he ended up using almost as much as his mind magic, the lack of focus on that area of development was pretty odd. I know a lot of people complain about the story being too long already but I'm an autistic person who is happy to read 50000 words worth of descriptions of magic mechanics at a time so I would have liked to see more of that. 
+
+Anyways I need something new to read if anyone has any recommendations
+--- 21962178
+>>21960772
+>>21960863
+>Do you guys want to read my royal road fantasy novel?
+Not really but you were brave enough to throw your hat in the ring so I'll go read it anyways
+--- 21962203
+>>21961938
+This sounds like a medical student looking for proscrastin... i mean motivation!
+--- 21962227
+What were they thinking with this cover
+--- 21962239
+>>21962227
+That is fucking odd. Great book however.
+--- 21962269
+>>21962124
+>>21962132
+It still applies. For example, first five books cover the same events from different perspectives for the most part. They're not redundant, but HH as a whole is not some ironclad linear affair where you must read all the books.
+--- 21962270
+>>21961933
+They have two kids.
+--- 21962288
+Read and really enjoyed lathe of heaven
+How do I into more le guin? Or any other reccos
+--- 21962430
+What is the best elves fantasy? I'm talking classically ethereal high or wood elves type and with possibly lots of material about them
+--- 21962431
+Ahhh we've been using the words wrong! We should be improving our verse, not prose!
+--- 21962444
+>>21962431
+--- 21962496
+Does he just not give a shit anymore?
+--- 21962499
+>>21962496
+nope
+--- 21962508
+>>21962496
+Never has
+--- 21962514
+>>21962496
+Busy with finer things in life.
+--- 21962532
+>>21962431
+So even with that guide, you completely failed to understand the difference. Pathetic.
+--- 21962534
+>>21962496
+the more he drank the less he shat
+--- 21962547
+>>21962534
+powerful
+--- 21962564
+>>21962430
+Shes overdressed
+--- 21962565
+>>21962514
+Who are those two men in the top left of the thought bubble on the left? I keep forgetting their names. And who is the chick in Martin‘s bubble?
+--- 21962618
+>>21962565
+Guy on the top left is Heinlein, I'm pretty sure.
+--- 21962665
+>>21960921
+I thought about it, and you're right.
+--- 21962697
+>>21960921
+Perfect analogy
+--- 21962766
+Just finishes Fall of Hyperion. If Dan Simmons doesnt have a hidden library of lewd John Keats erotica, Id be extremely surprised. The book is basically,
+>kino shrike stuff
+>kino galactic war stuff
+>time to suck off John Keats again
+>glack glack glack glack glack
+>AI v human hyperwar kino
+>gluck gluck gluck
+>OH YEA LIL 5 FOOT MAN DEEEEEEPER OH MY GOD
+>jews complaining and getting cucked by mudslimes
+>L O V E
+
+I give it a 4/5 on Good Reads
+--- 21962773
+>>21962766
+reads like a shitty IGN review
+--- 21962778
+>>21959890
+I just finished this last night, you're not wrong, but I still enjoyed it quite a bit. Severian is such a good character. 
+
+I'll probably start Long Sun today.
+--- 21962783
+>>21961933
+The fuck and they have kids, they are the protagonists of some of the sequels
+--- 21962788
+>>21962766
+>>gluck gluck gluck
+what
+--- 21962792
+>>21962788
+GLURP GLURP
+GLURP GLURP
+--- 21962839
+>>21962778
+You have to read through book of the new sun/Urth over again at least one more time before moving on to Long and Short. Also be a faggot and read through it with those Alzabo soup podcast cucks.
+--- 21963065
+>story about lesbian necromancers in a grimdark Warhammer-like universe
+Necromancers are my favorite class in video games, did I get baited by my librarian, or do those books deliver and my wild teen wet dreams will come true?
+--- 21963085
+>>21963065
+Sounds like you will like it. Personally, I won't read anything with a female MC especially a lesbian (which are just as real as necromancers)
+--- 21963102
+>>21963065
+I've read two excerpts of Gideon the Ninth and both were fucking abysmal. On top of that, the three people I've talked about it to have all agreed that it is trash of the highest order.
+--- 21963123
+is there a single past 90s fantasy book worth reading
+don't answer if true
+--- 21963182
+>>21960428
+Imagine being the assistant of not even an author but a guy just compiling what's already written lmao
+--- 21963184
+>>21963102
+Those three people are idiots. The books may not be to everyone's tastes but they are definitely not trash. 
+
+>>21963065
+Tone down your coomer expectations, they are not smut. Plenty of necro stuff though.
+--- 21963199
+>>21963065
+>>21963085
+>>21963102
+>>21963184
+I have about as much respect for Gideon the Ninth as I do for the dogshit on my shoe. It is reddit. It is video game hot pocket. It is capeshit. It is cheeto dust. I'm literally screaming right now and slamming my arms down on my desk just thinking about it. It is the most depraved video game infantilized manchild degeneracy. It is saturday morning cartoon. It is non-neurotypicality. It is memes. It is video game. It is tarantino. It is imdb.
+It is coca-cola puberty. it is axe body spray. it is a white stain on boxer shorts. it is arri alexa hot dog caffeine on disney channel.
+--- 21963204
+>>21962514
+preston jacobs is a faggot who doesn't even like fantasy
+--- 21963212
+>>21963204
+I don't like him either, but it was just a meme.
+--- 21963224
+>>21963212
+I know. I just wanna say how much I despise him. The faggot will make hour long ridiculous convoluted theories for why asoiaf is actually sci fi because deep down he thinks the fantasy genre is silly, despite being a fantasy youtuber. Actually pathetic.
+--- 21963228
+>>21963224
+Tell him that sci fi is fantasy too.
+--- 21963265
+>>21963199
+--- 21963267
+>>21963265
+okay reddit
+--- 21963272
+>>21962565
+the chick in martin's bubble is sibel kikelli, she's a turkish former pornstar after a nose job who played a prostitute the dwarf in the game of thrones show fell in love with
+rumor is grrm hired her because of her "looks" and then became smitten with her
+--- 21963277
+>>21963065
+>female author
+you know better than that dawg
+--- 21963285
+>>21963228
+Everything is fantasy. Especially realism.
+--- 21963297
+>>21963272
+Where do whores go?
+--- 21963301
+>>21963297
+--- 21963304
+>>21962766
+yeah usually you expect genre authors to be kind of up-front and transparent with their fetishes, that's nothing new. but what you get out of hyperion in terms of fetishistic worship is
+>keats
+>jews
+it's kind of weird
+
+but if you read the endymion books, you get to find out what simmons' real fetish is
+--- 21963306
+>>21963065
+I've only read Gideon and a bit of Harrow, but it definitely reads like it was written by somebody who used to write Homestuck fanfiction. I generally like the characterisation, but the utilisation of the characters is very weird, especially in Gideon. Basically it's a murder mystery, where the protagonist, Gideon, spends basically the entirety of the book not participating in said mystery while it just kind of happens around her. It's interesting in a way, but it makes for a really mundane first read. I've heard Harrow is a bit better about having the protagonist actually be involved in things, but it's still very weird.
+--- 21963307
+>>21963301
+What kind of man brings his wife and his whore?
+--- 21963310
+>>21963297
+Pretty plain jane for a woman who's had plastic surgery.
+--- 21963330
+>>21963307
+Disgusting.
+--- 21963351
+>>21963297
+insane how good a literal former porn star who whored herself out to an ugly old bastard and a couple of jews for a bit role is at presenting the outward appearance of a perfectly normal pleasant and attractive woman in her 30s. just look at that cute sweater
+
+maybe women really are that good at dissociating from their former behavior. maybe to her her pornstar self was another person entirely and she's just a different sibel now, unaffected at all by her previous behavior. or maybe they're just that good at faking it.
+--- 21963359
+>>21962124
+It’s just a popular series that the IP holders have a pretty easy license policy. Most of it is nonsensical fanfic. Some of it is probably good though. Like Star Wars books
+--- 21963362
+>>21963351
+I dunno anon, I dunno.
+--- 21963363
+>>21958828
+What's other notable stereotypical slop like this? I'd prefer something that's not YA, Belgariad does feature violence and horny.
+--- 21963365
+>>21963297
+>>21963301
+YJK
+--- 21963369
+>>21963363
+codex alera
+--- 21963371
+>>21963365
+--- 21963372
+>>21960462
+write what you know
+--- 21963379
+>>21963182
+I think it would have been really cool to help edit the Silmarillion desu
+--- 21963399
+>>21963363
+David Eddings' other books, particularly the Sparhawk trilogies
+you might like Mercedes Lackey's Valdemar series (I didn't) because they're basically Harry Potter written by someone who isn't mentally retarded
+--- 21963452
+>>21958075
+>271 replies
+>no Gor
+You literally drew pic related. Zoomers should definitely read it so that they can become more sexually aggressive.
+--- 21963464
+>>21963452
+You're blind >>21960605
+--- 21963484
+>>21963452
+>Transman
+No thanks.
+--- 21963519
+>>21963452
+I just forgot about it. It did have few nicer fap scenes, and ironically noblewoman dominating another noblewoman was the hottest part in one of the books.
+But frankly why I remember Gor is because author actually finds a working and reasonable enough of an explanation as to why technological level in Gor is the way it is. I wish more fantasy authors paid attention to that.
+--- 21963609
+>>21963452
+>37 books
+>last one came out last year
+>dude is alive at 91
+Dang, this series is commitment.
+--- 21963614
+>>21963452
+>Tarnsman of Gor John Norman The Chronicles o Counter-Earth
+what the fuck is this title.
+--- 21963747
+>>21963452
+Was it Moorishcock that had a melty over these books? Yet despite him white knighting it's the women who like these books the most and shlick off to them.
+--- 21963750
+>Moorcock
+Is any of his work Shakespearean?
+--- 21963798
+>>21963750
+Shakespeare is the only Shakespearean work and anyone who claims otherwise is a retard.
+--- 21963799
+>>21963750
+Is the evil sword a metaphor for an overbearing mommy though?
+--- 21963802
+Can anyone recommend a book/series similar to Iain M Banks Culture?
+--- 21963833
+>>21962124
+It's not a series it's more like Marvel Comics. It's all in the same setting but you just pick and choose based on what interests you.
+--- 21963840
+>>21963307
+A king
+--- 21963842
+>>21963833
+40k is also inspired heavily off of 2000 AD comics. So, good comparison.
+--- 21963906
+>>21963452
+Can't swipe books 36 and 37. Guess I'll have to buy them if I like the series. Jezzus.
+--- 21963924
+>>21962564
+She's meeting her husband for their anniversary.
+--- 21963937
+>>21963750
+He tried so hard for outer /lit/ but that's what sealed him in the ghetto. Some people love him, I guess.
+--- 21963984
+>>21963452
+>The Gor series repeatedly depicts men abducting and physically and sexually brutalizing women, who grow to enjoy their submissive state.
+Absolute based, pirating everything, ima read every book.
+--- 21963994
+>>21963984
+>The Gor novels have been criticized for their focus on relationships between dominant men and submissive women, the latter often in positions of slavery. The Encyclopedia of Fantasy has stated that the first several books are "passable exercises" of Edgar Rice Burroughs-style fiction while "later volumes degenerate into extremely sexist, sadomasochistic pornography involving the ritual humiliation of women, and as a result have caused widespread offence".
+
+Ultra based
+--- 21964009
+>>21963065
+shouldn't this be
+>Gideon the Ninth
+>Gideon the Tenth
+etc?
+--- 21964011
+>>21963994
+>caused widespread offence
+Uh huh, but women kept reading them.
+--- 21964020
+>>21963994
+The sci-fi version featuring latex-clad women and horny AI is even better.
+--- 21964023
+>>21964009
+No because it's not the same character, retard. But all the characters are in the Ninth House, which is where the epithet comes from. Why comment if you're just going to be stupid?
+--- 21964025
+>>21964009
+No, Gideon/Harrow/Nona are about those respective characters who all come from the Ninth world.
+--- 21964027
+What are some exit-tier works of genre fiction? Book of the New Sun is close but not quite up there; Barefoot in the Head comes to mind, and Dhalgren too
+--- 21964031
+This shits all over Dune and BotNS, god damn. Surprised it's not mentioned here more.
+--- 21964097
+>>21964031
+Absolutely devilish, anon.
+--- 21964099
+>>21964031
+you're baiting but the eye of argon honestly isn't that bad for being written by a 16 year old
+--- 21964125
+>>21964031
+I remember this
+--- 21964129
+I officially like this again. Maybe even second to DCC among the big ongoing western litrpgs. Defiance seems tapped out. TWI is endless melodrama. Infinite Realm and Primal Hunter are probably peers for managing this sort of sprawling mess. 
+
+It clawed its way out of the dead-end Earth arc and got its sense of fun back. It's loose and playful. The author seems to have grown up a bit and is now aware of when he's indulging himself with his politics and knows how to take the cringe out of it. The MC has a new skillset to play with, so it's not the same old plague kill every time. Though there's still quite a bit of same old. It's a 9-volume shaggy dog tale, make no mistake. But if you liked it in the beginning and fell off during the detour to Earth, and you have a tolerance for these sorts of stories, you might like it again.
+--- 21964135
+>>21964129
+That's interesting to know, but I'm kind of curious if the author ever realised that Jason's major character flaw (never knows when to shut up) is only a flaw if he ever actually gets into trouble because of it. Because that stuck with me after a while. I can respect Jason being a flawed dipshit sometimes, but it became more and more clear that it wasn't actually seeming like a flaw, more like he was just "an actually correct dipshit all the time". I dropped it during the Earth stuff too because good god nothing fucking happens of interest there.
+--- 21964141
+dcc 6 july 1
+--- 21964149
+>>21964135
+Well on the last Earth book he mouthed off to a minor deity and lost his one extra life in a one-shot kill. I took that as a yes on this myself.
+--- 21964160
+>>21964129
+You enjoyed it? Even after the book was basically a therapy session every chapter? And him breaking down to show how human he is (such emotion much feels many wows)? 
+I don't know about you, but the how the book started with recapping shit, and then side characters bringing up shit that happened books before to pad the pages, I would say this book was shit. I read fantasy to get away from real life shit, Jason being emo every fucking book and breaking down is getting tiring. It was okay for a book or two, but since those three literally filler earth books, Jason has being a moping pussy that cries all the time. 
+No one wants to read someone breaking down every fucking chapter then going to mommy therapist to discuss muh mental health.
+--- 21964176
+>>21960068
+The audible versions are solid
+--- 21964181
+>tell girl I'm dating my true name
+>"oh...thanks..."
+--- 21964188
+>>21964129
+>Earth arc
+that has only ever been novel when i first saw it in digimon back in the day. it has never been good ever since. anywhere.
+--- 21964205
+>>21963452
+Will be reading this, sounds cool. Seems like Conan but less palpable for normies
+>t. zoomer
+--- 21964209
+>>21964031
+this book is unironically better written than Bakker
+--- 21964287
+>>21964205
+Gor is pretty bad to be honest and I say this as a woman beating appreciator.
+--- 21964289
+>>21964160
+But by the end he was quite confident in his choice to cross his boundaries and soul-torture the pixie chick into submission, and doesn't go all emo after it. Felt like this installment was about him putting that one step further behind him, even though I expect it'll function as a Tony Soprano plot device here and there in the future.
+--- 21964294
+>>21964031
+>16 year old writes fantasy story for some shitty fantasy mag
+>a bunch of middle aged men say it is the worst thing ever written and spend literal decades making copies to sell and do ironic live readings at cons 
+>16 yo is shamed and never writes anything ever again
+>finally read it a few years ago after hearing how awful it is for years
+>it's bad but not even as bad as some things major publishers have released
+>when considering a kid wrote it it is actually pretty decent
+i genuinely don't understand how anyone can in good faith claim the eye of argon is the worst thing ever written. i can only assume the whole thing got started by bitter middle-aged losers upset that the initial magazine published a story from a teenager instead of them.
+--- 21964317
+>>21964294
+Probably at least in part bullied to an early death too!
+--- 21964323
+>>21964289
+The next is later this year (November I think), I'm 100% sure all the progress made at the end of book 9 will be thrown out the window in book ten. They author always does this shit, ends the book making you think that things will be better in the next book, or that this was a step to building a foundation for a better future, then he throws everything away at the start of the next book. Book eight gave you some positive vibes, then book 9 was business as usual with mopey Jason and emo shit. If you like emo shit and broken protags, more power to you, but I do not enjoy such.
+--- 21964338
+>>21964287
+What about Princess of Mars? Both seem to be similar
+--- 21964424
+>>21964294
+>Sometime in the 1970s, science fiction author Thomas N. Scortia obtained a copy, which he mailed to Californian writer Chelsea Quinn Yarbro. She showed it to others, and it was met with a tremendous and incredulous reaction.
+So, a writer of pure b-grade shlock and a tarot-reading wine aunt who participated in "spirit-channeling" sessions bullied a teen who just wanted to write fun shit
+--- 21964440
+>>21964294
+I agree, it's retarded that certain works and individuals are used as sacrificial lambs i.e. William McGonagall, where it's deemed acceptable to throw abuse their way. The quality comes secondary to the fact that they actually tried, as gay as that may sound. Maybe I just have a tendency to worship the underdog, as I have no qualms in lambasting established works.
+--- 21964445
+New thread boys (third time in a row!)
+>>21964437
+--- 21964454
+>>21964323
+Do you honestly not think the author has grown at all since his pure proxy voice days in the early books? I mean like this guy says >>21964135. I mean obviously he's an autistic horsefucker so he's not going to turn into Socrates, but I felt like the therapy volumes were him turning that ship around and he can take some of the worst aspects of the early volumes and play them off for fun now. Maybe he was in therapy irl and it worked, but with that caveat of people in therapy have to talk about therapy. I don't know. I just know those middle volumes were dreary and my engagement has only increased since he returned from Earth.
+--- 21964478
+>>21964445
+We're only on page 5, bruv.
+--- 21964499
+>>21964338
+I'm not a fan of PoM but Burroughs has writing talent while Gorman does not.
+--- 21964506
+>>21963204
+I thought preston jacobs was black
+--- 21964522
+>>21964031
+It may have the wrong words used and the plot may have crashed towards the end, but it had soul, passion, and is an impressive piece of writing for a teen.
+--- 21964893
+>>21958040 (OP)
+I've been reading REH's Conan stories and they're fantastic, is there anything else that captures a similar feel I can read next?
+--- 21965044
+>>21964893
+Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser by Fritz Leiber
+Jirel of Joiry by C. L. Moore
+Kane by Karl Edward Wagner
+Elric of Melnibone by Michael Moorcock
+Imaro by Charles R Saunders
+--- 21965049
+>>21964893
+Also everything else by Robert E Howard, specially Solomon Kane, Kull and Bran Mak Morn.
+--- 21965088
+I noticed Sword and Sorcery stuff is what the cool people of fantasy recommend
+--- 21965097
+Any vamp lit with a male human MC and a female vampire romantic partner?
+--- 21965207
+>>21958204
+Dune 2 is better
+--- 21965280
+>>21965097
+I don't know of any, closest might be those vampire novels for Warhammer Fantasy, but I think they had female vampire MC. Or maybe several POVs.
+--- 21965287
+>>21965097
+there's japanese stuff, fanfics, and twilight reimagined
+--- 21965318
+>>21958204
+>Twenty pages in
+--- 21965330
+Know what I like about sci-fi?
+Every book has you convinced, "Ah, yes, this is how aliens must evolve and act, it makes perfect sense!" and every book is different.
+>Read Blindsight
+Oh wow, they're just mostly nerves and atp and they don't understand "self" so they're perfect cells for the organism whole.
+>Read Project Hail Mary
+Ah yes, talking with aliens would be easy! The sound of 2 rocks touching would sound the same on every planet, the footsteps of a predator. So we all hear!
+
+Also I started reading Hail Mary because some anon spoilered You blew out a scab and it almost killed me.
+For the entire book I thought the protagonist was going to be talking to a giant cloud, like a whole system was an alien or the whole atmosphere of a planet was an alien. It's still a good book, but...
+
+Any books where the aliens are like that? Gaseous?
+--- 21965402
+The fuck happened
+--- 21965405
+>>21965402
+? am I supposed to know who this is?
+--- 21965410
+>>21965330
+>Any books where the aliens are like that? Gaseous?
+Fart aliens? Brapaliens?
+--- 21965423
+>>21965402
+generational trauma from the holocaust
+--- 21965428
+>>21965402
+Probably content burnout
+--- 21965439
+>>21965402
+he read his reviews
+--- 21965480
+>>21965402
+man made $120k off shitty amazon kindle novellas cause of yewtube networking
+--- 21965501
+>>21965480
+how
+--- 21965506
+>>21965501
+--- 21965513
+>>21965097
+>>>/a/
+--- 21965548
+>>21965506
+damn his book is shit and it really is that easy to make money from fame alone

lit/21958041.txt

@@ -57,3 +57,17 @@ https://youtu.be/KzA6ua37ILk [Embed]
 --- 21961948
 >>21958041 (OP)
 Nice cover
+--- 21962027
+robert monroes journeys
+pkds exegesis
+--- 21962126
+>>21961918
+kys retarded faggot
+--- 21962616
+uhhh
+bump
+--- 21963667
+B U M P
+--- 21964185
+>>21958041 (OP)
+literally The Bible

lit/21958733.txt

@@ -74,9 +74,6 @@ I finished it two weeks before the video. I guess that makes me an original enjo
 --- 21960919
 >>21959758
 yes, you're one of us now
---- 21960923
->>21958733 (OP)
-Kill yourself faggot
 --- 21960924
 >>21960173
 kek
@@ -163,3 +160,107 @@ bait
 >>21961777
 >The fact that no one can agree on what the themes of the book
 That's what makes it good
+--- 21963174
+>>21961761
+He better than Joyce nuks lol
+--- 21963185
+>>21959005
+eh shipe
+--- 21963229
+>>21958733 (OP)
+>white /fit/ chads > bbc > /lit/ nerds
+What did they mean by this
+--- 21963281
+>>21961777
+Imagine a vast, alien desert, now imagine a small band of men going around killing people. The alien desert waste and the death wrought upon it charges these events with a deeper life. Nobody knows what it is but everyone (reader included) can feel it. The book is about this deeper meaning behind appearances. If it's not directly visible or apparent, it is because it is not so in the real world too (there would be no ideological warfare if the ontological world coincided so tellingly with the physical one). Gnostics will call this gnosis. And because the book is about "trying to interpret the world", all interpretations are valid and visible depending upon the reader's inclination and base of knowledge. It's difficult to get people to appreciate this aesthetic but read the book with this in mind and it will yield its delicacies.
+--- 21964660
+Bump
+--- 21964666
+>>21958744
+>stop liking X because Y likes it
+I wholeheartedly advise suicide
+--- 21964794
+>>21961871
+The craziest thing about this guy is that he was real
+--- 21965065
+I just listen to a couple hours of that Youtuber do a highschool book review .
+He gets so many thing wrong.
+not in a "i felt like this meant this"
+I mean hes saying the kid killed two people before joining the gang and the judge is albino even though they mention him having a tan under his hat line, mis remembering conversations.and who said what.
+just sitting there recaping the entire book for a video, can't get it right.
+--- 21965075
+>>21965065
+>well akshually...
+war is god, and god is the judge
+--- 21965093
+Was the kid raped/molested by the hermit at the beginning of the story? The hermit was standing over him in the middle of the night while the kid was sleeping then disappeared by morning
+--- 21965101
+>>21965093
+i don't think so, the kid's ass would've been in shambles by the morning
+--- 21965107
+>>21965093
+It felt like a weird, i'm a hermit, and had no company for so long i'm just gonna stare at this kid move. 
+Or thought about killing him in the night after he talked about his dead slave heart too much.
+--- 21965115
+>>21959741
+The judge is based off a real guy that was in the Glanton gang, most of the major events in the book actually happened.
+--- 21965132
+>>21959392
+dont care also didnt ask fag
+--- 21965140
+>>21965107
+that's fair goddamnit why must i have such a degenerate coomer brain. tbf though it's pretty well known that the judge was a child rapist so it wouldn't surprise me for mccarthy to include more rape elsewhere
+--- 21965151
+>>21965107
+>>21965101
+>>21965093
+>>21965140
+it was just a weird incident faggots
+--- 21965153
+Is this actually a story about aliens disguised as a story about scalping indians? the kid came down on a meteorite and was taken up by a meteorite (idk how the mechanics of that would work), there's multiple discussions of aliens by different emcees throughout the book. the coming whites were kind of like an alien invasion from the perspective of many natives. the judge is basically an annunaki. i mean it's kinda all right there for you
+--- 21965159
+>>21965153
+that is an interesting perspective.
+--- 21965162
+>>21965159
+it's kinda half joking but honestly half of me can kinda see it partly, but then again that'd be really fucking bold of mccarthy. i'm not articulating well i know, forgive me. one other thing i'm thinking about. do you think the traveller story is sorta about the death of god? particularly what nietzsche talks about and also just man being separated from god (if you have faith in scripture) through material existence
+--- 21965171
+>>21965162
+I don't really understand the travellers story, but you can refer to this
+https://youtu.be/yGsq6hl7Hwc [Embed]
+--- 21965180
+>>21965171
+based sugrue enjoyer, idk if i did watch this video in particular but i do remember him talking about the book once. Wendigoons recent video goes pretty in depth into the story and i guess his interpretation. I'm rereading right now, goddamn i love this book. I really should stop because i should be finishing more of suttree
+--- 21965181
+>>21965162
+I think McCarthy frequently uses alien for anything hints at existence or intelligence beyond human cognition, not literal aliens. The idiot is interesting to the Judge because his perception of the world is entirely different from other humans because of his mental state.
+--- 21965186
+>>21965181
+in that regard 
+>the judge is literally me
+--- 21965188
+>>21965181
+and thats why i'm half joking and bold was the right word but i agree it just doesn't seem like something he'd actually do, atleast not in some humanoid form and literally the kid lmao. still though it just seemed funny to me and i do like those parts of the book gives some depth and playground for the more schizophrenic children of mind. That's a cool perspective on his relationship with the idiot, i feel like i kinda felt the same way but more so just saw it almost as just a joke by the judge who i honestly see as a humorous figure. I don't see where people find him scary i find him absolutely fucking hilarious in a black comedy way
+--- 21965198
+>>21965188
+>i honestly see as a humorous figure. I don't see where people find him scary i find him absolutely fucking hilarious in a black comedy way
+
+same here, I don't know why people call this novel so terrifying, it's tame
+--- 21965209
+>>21965188
+Outer Dark is one of the funniest "serious" books I have read. I only got its humor on the 2nd or 3rd read. McCarthy's humor is of the most distinct sort. No other writer has that type of black humor. Not even Beckett.
+--- 21965211
+>>21965198
+He's more of a Loki with control issues.
+--- 21965219
+>>21965209
+>>21965198
+Exactly. I'm excited to read outer dark. so far i've only read blood meridian, the passenger & stella marris, and i've been reading suttree. So far suttree is pretty goddamn hilarious (i'm 140 pages in rn so only a bit through) but yeah mccarthy is great for it, who doesn't love watermelon fuckers. Jesus there's alotta nigger this and nigger that there though. like i get it but goddamn man
+--- 21965266
+>>21965219
+>Jesus there's alotta nigger this and nigger that there though. like i get it but goddamn man
+
+kek, that's the best part
+--- 21965473
+I don't mind that popular youtubers make videos on popular books, especially if it makes more people read. 
+What I do mind is their way of talking about said books, making them like some esoteric hidden gems, even though they are pretty well-known. I also mind the way they love to sensationalize everything and be oh-so-melodramatic when discussing anything remotely "offbeat". And what I really mind is that when their audiences start reading said books, and end up just parroting their favorite youtuber's views instead of forming genuine opinion.

lit/21958796.txt

@@ -190,3 +190,86 @@ oh I didn't know that kind of content was on the wiki; truly disgusting, would y
 >>21958796 (OP)
 I decided to scout that agency and every single whore seemed rancid, all but one. Her name is Isla Fae: https://scarletblue.com.au/escort/isla-fae
 I'm going to Australia and save her. Wish me luck, bros
+--- 21962428
+>>21961700
+may i recommend blowing your brains out with a shotgun instead
+--- 21962438
+>>21962428
+Maybe if you give him a few more reasons to do it he will?
+--- 21962471
+>>21961700
+this anon is right, I too must investigate this matter myself, can you point me in the direction of this incident, I better take a look at the crime scene myself.
+--- 21962510
+>>21960131
+They're actually robbing poor, lonely men who can't find sex elsewhere of thousands of dollars. That's a bit smarter
+--- 21962515
+>>21962471
+"Arthur, you son of a bitch!, boss assigned me on the job, you have no business being here, gathering evidence is my job"
+--- 21962517
+>>21960147
+are you retarded? eastern Europe have some of the biggest neo nazis in the world
+--- 21962536
+>>21962515
+"ahhh... so Doyle didn't told you."
+"Told me what?, and don't call him Doyle will ya!"
+"It would work in your favour if you stay out of it, I've talked with Doyle, and he agrees with me. ... You could never comprehend the scale, at which this operation is progressing"
+--- 21962610
+>>21962536
+"you never understood the gravity of this situation, did you?, it's not about you , finch, or me for that matter... he cleared his throat as to distract finch... look, any information beyond this could endanger both of our lives, and I don't know about you but, I've got too much to live for"
+--- 21962615
+>>21958796 (OP)
+And then what happened
+--- 21962622
+>>21958834
+>>21961700
+>>21962471
+>>21962515
+>>21962536
+>>21962610
+nice progress anon
+--- 21962767
+>>21959140
+>>21960079
+That is definitely not what I get when I use loving wives as a tag. But thanks to this thread I now know one that works: HEA. That one was new to me, I must admit.
+--- 21962828
+>>21958796 (OP)
+Anything by P.A. Choi.
+--- 21962860
+>>21962767
+You are right, loving wives is actually a mix of just straight up cuckold and "healing" stories. I was mixing it up because I only read a couple of them that were of the latter variety.
+--- 21962866
+>>21958796 (OP)
+>stupid chud is a whore
+Unsurprising.
+--- 21962867
+>>21962828
+Based ENF/exhibitionism enjoyer.
+--- 21962877
+>>21959042
+Didn't Gilgamesh discuss this with Enkidu?
+--- 21962900
+>>21962867
+Sex scenes are boring. What's more exciting is the setup, so yeah.
+--- 21963574
+How realistic do you need your erotica to be, anon?
+--- 21964175
+>>21962828
+where to find books by this author? libgen and IA don't have any. Night swims seems interesting
+--- 21964202
+>>21964175
+He's only on Kindle, he's a meme author like Gardner, except that he's good.
+--- 21964270
+>>21958796 (OP)
+Did someone mention Bataille here?
+--- 21964405
+>>21964202
+no epubs available anywhere though I meant? I don';t really buy books unless I truly enjoy them especially not digital and I don't wanna pay for erotica. never really read that before either
+--- 21964562
+>>21964405
+Unless some anon out there uploaded it somewhere, then no, since none of them are really books and are just short stories. I don't mind dropping a few dollars every now and then to read some smut and support an author.
+--- 21964596
+>>21959042
+Some whores have favorite customers
+--- 21965417
+>>21964596
+the way incels have favorites pepes

lit/21958946.txt

@@ -200,9 +200,6 @@ Is there any recommendation infographic like OP posted?
 I would like to read some fantasy or sci-fi. Something for begginers ofc.
 I was thinking about hyperion.
 Please help me book-chads.
---- 21960046
->>21958946 (OP)
-I recommend you kill yourself
 --- 21960097
 >>21960046
 that's not a book recommendation
@@ -213,9 +210,6 @@ Who is the Buddhist translator that sends out his books for free? I had the list
 the hill of dreams Arthur Machen
 --- 21960293
 Hello /rg/, I am searching for any book recommendation that will help me overcome my risk aversion. These books will probably be in the realm of self-help or pop psych, and I'm not opposed to that, but I'm having trouble finding anything outside the financial realm. My risk aversion comes principally from a scarcity mindset and fear rather than trauma. Like most people on /lit/ I have a tendency to intellectualize personal problems and convince myself out of things, usually resulting in inaction.
---- 21960308
->>21958946 (OP)
-I recommend you kys
 --- 21960419
 >>21960308
 that's not a book recommendation
@@ -280,3 +274,101 @@ Pick up some Elaine Pagels books.
 Don't know, but check the sticky
 --- 21961791
 I want the style of "The stranger", the story of "gravity's rainbow" and the atmosphere of "blood meridian"
+--- 21961994
+>>21958946 (OP)
+what was the original top 100?
+--- 21962004
+>>21958946 (OP)
+Need a book that deeply explains every facet of buddhism
+--- 21962006
+Running out of obvious next choices of /lit/. My favorites are Hamsun, Strindberg and Mann, and I have almost finished their respective authorships. Looking for something slightly more obscure that might fit the profile of someone who immensely enjoys those three.
+--- 21962013
+>>21960019
+>I read only a song of ice and fire and now I need more.
+Check out the Count of Monte Cristo, it hits a lot of the same notes while also being big boy literature.
+--- 21962014
+>>21962006
+there is gonna be a reading of "the magic mountain" fyi
+--- 21962016
+>>21962014
+Yeah, I was considering giving it a re-read, but it's only been a few years since my last. Some discussion about it might be nice, so I think I'll drop into the threads nonetheless.
+--- 21962031
+>>21959254
+I found a 10/10 audiobook version and I was planning to read while listening to the audiobook for full immersion, even if it would probably take me way longer than if I was just reading it on my own. The issue is that the audiobook is a Spanish translation of moby dick and I can't find that exact translation in book format neither on bookshops, libraries or online. So in conclusion my comfy plan is in shambles and my day ruined.
+--- 21962260
+>>21959262
+>a chapter a week
+The chapters are simply too short for this to not be a retarded idea
+--- 21962451
+>>21958946 (OP)
+I've read eight of these. 
+
+>Call of The Crocodile
+really, /lit/???
+--- 21962456
+>>21962260
+well then, make it two
+--- 21962460
+>>21962260
+first time reading it anon, gotta do all the research
+--- 21962980
+>>21958946 (OP)
+Post apocaliptic novels set in the desert? (Besides Dune). References to point the style:
+>Trigun
+>Power rangers RPM
+--- 21963440
+i need a schizophrenic read on the french revolution
+--- 21963453
+>>21959111
+How easy/hard would this be to read if I've read basically all of the history of philosophy up to that point?
+--- 21963606
+>>21960019
+https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/guIyhAzS
+--- 21963627
+>>21958946 (OP)
+I need books about teenage hardship for to improve my writing craft, whether realistic or very idiosyncratic (no genre fiction unless its really worth recommending), very broad ask I know. Also, no Catcher in the Rye, can't stand that book
+--- 21963727
+>>21960293
+Butcher's Crossing
+--- 21963743
+>>21959254 
+join this dick in your mouth lmao
+--- 21963849
+>>21958946 (OP)
+I've already read collected fictions from Borges, 100 years, and pic related. where next for the greatest works of latin american literature?
+--- 21963941
+>>21958946 (OP)
+This is the single worst chart I've ever seen.
+--- 21963945
+>>21963849
+--- 21964531
+>>21963941
+this
+--- 21964856
+Any book that is the equivalent of a slasher movie?
+--- 21965050
+My coworkers found out I read and have been recommending I check out Sarah Maas. To be completely honest with you /lit/, her books like absolute trash. What would you all recommend I do in this situation?
+--- 21965055
+>>21962980
+>Power rangers RPM
+anon...
+--- 21965058
+>>21963453
+pretty easy, if he's not rambling like a schizo
+--- 21965127
+got 1 credit in my audible account, recommend me a good audiobook. also I was thinking that I should buy the "the magic mountain" one, there's gonna be a reading soon, what are your thoughts lit?
+--- 21965173
+shameless bump
+--- 21965201
+>>21959585
+Buddenbrooks
+--- 21965366
+>The Bible (Old and New Testament)
+>Tao Te Ching
+>Quran
+>Kojiki and Nihongi
+>Vedas
+What are other books to add to this?
+--- 21965391
+>>21965366
+Also swap Vedas for Bhagavadgita or not?

lit/21959494.txt

@@ -27,3 +27,29 @@ We didn't say it is the best or ideal substitute, but that it is the only one th
 --- 21961217
 >>21960725
 you are autistic
+--- 21962246
+>>21961217
+Not him, but that's the fucking point. I want to be up late at night looking through obscure branches of literature. I want to fill up my TBR list with strange and esoteric literature. If I can't list a bunch of adjectives like "anxious" or "introspective", and then get a list of novels sorted by user ratings, then why even bother
+--- 21962653
+>>21960725
+what is the /lit/ equivalent of these?
+--- 21962710
+>>21962653
+1. Iliad & Odyssey
+2. Bible
+3. Moby dick
+4. Blood meridian
+5. Gravity's rainbow
+--- 21962732
+>>21960725
+>I wish rym would open up a book site.
+They've already made site for video games and movies, so books seems somewhat inevitable. Then again, it probably depends on if there's a big enough community for it and nowadays people just don't like reading as much unfortunately.
+--- 21963907
+>>21960885
+This. None of my Top 10 albums ever have more than 10 notes on RYM, that shows the site is garbage
+--- 21963918
+>>21963907
+post rym account
+--- 21965349
+>>21960833
+Based. LibraryThing is better than that shitty gayreads...

lit/21959525.txt

@@ -9,3 +9,21 @@ Poor guy.
 He was a good egg
 --- 21960946
 you haven't read it
+--- 21962500
+>>21959525 (OP)
+this is in my reading list.
+should I put it before, after, or between Study on Sociology by Herbert Spencer and the Second Treatise on Government by John Locke?
+--- 21962504
+I take gorecore non-fiction similar to pixels.
+--- 21962655
+>>21962500
+once you read weininger you'll never bother with English philosophers again.
+--- 21962991
+>>21962655
+so 'after' I guess then, eh?
+--- 21963483
+>>21960946
+>>21962991
+You can read it now but know that it's a biography and hasn't your interests in mind. It's basically a suicide note.
+--- 21965069
+Was he gay?

lit/21959533.txt

@@ -113,3 +113,103 @@ Ivan Morris?
 --- 21961764
 >>21959786
 What do the Neoplatonists mean by Life, Intellect and Being exactly, of it is definable, I know Intellect is a determinative faculty, Being is "It is" but what is life ? And by soul is just "jiva" meant, that is individuality ? Thanks
+--- 21962158
+>>21961511
+No. He is currently alive and still writing things. He had a funny name.
+--- 21962415
+>reading a book for tantra
+Enjoy your psycosis and damnation anon
+--- 21962555
+>>21960269
+Red Pine
+--- 21962562
+>>21962415
+I’m Catholic just reading to broaden my understanding not necessarily to practice it. 
+
+Reading Das Kapital doesn’t automatically make you a Marxist
+--- 21962578
+>>21962562
+>Reading Das Kapital doesn’t automatically make you a Marxist
+lol you guys dont understand this thing isnt le philosophy. It could have serious affect on someone who doesnt understand what he is dealing with and I unironically mean damnation
+--- 21962896
+Apologies for the long delays Anons, I’ve been rather busy
+
+>>21959768
+But to elaborate, I generally agree with the Neoplatonic approach to theurgy, not to the point of believing it necessary as the Christian martinists do, but that it is profitable for knowledge and spiritual cultivation, and I reckon the history shows many great Christian’s such as Aquinas in his aurora consurgens or the various models like those put forth by bonaventure, Hugh of st Victor and so forth are all useable.
+
+>>21959786
+> full pagan. 
+
+Not needed since on one hand you can study all of the pagan mysteries without idolatry, and not needed on the other on account of the usage and contemplation of numerous divine names and their construction and personification which we see both Jews and Christian’s doing bad intensifying gradually until you reach the hundreds of page long mystery names used by the likes of abulafia in his Neoplatonic kabbalistic work, such Christian works liberally use the Hebrew conception of partzufim, wherein the divine names are personified and allocated to these personas, precedence for this is clearly in the Bible such as the personification of the church/Israel/the soul + Christ in Song of Solomon (of which both Catholics and earliest Protestant sources praise for its usage of such personification and esoteric name usage, see Bernard of clairvaux who is used by both Luther and Catholics.)
+
+>Most Christian interpretations of it seem like forced compatibilism. The henads are important for the system/cosmology to be logically coherent. 
+
+In the Christian kabbalistic emanation system they exist through the schemas of the Sephiroth, divine name, angel, angelic choir, elemental creature and so forth, there is no lack of complex baroque hierarchy derivative from Neoplatonic and other models within the Christian mystical models, Boehme is again a good source as is Agrippa. For a taste of it just scroll through Agrippa book 2 
+
+>>21959800
+In tantra the primary mysticism and core ontological structure is based on the belief that shiva who is the self nature of God and also of each man, makes himself known throughout his power/energies, which have a Catholic style formal distinction, but are ultimately one, and this allows their whole model and rhetoric that the power of God produces the maya therefore the things in maya, the whole world, is actually the manifest power of God which his thus the revealed face of God, the knowledge of God, the recognition that Maya/the so called illusion world is actually not illusion but the fullness of God’s truth is key to them and is also the core of their polemics against Vedanta. For if God is truth and this illusionary world is caused by God’s power, and God’s power and this creation are nondual, then this creation is nondual to the truth of God, thus you cannot claim it is an illusion.
+
+>portrayals of Christ 
+
+Numerous, for example they believe in the ransom theory of atonement 
+
+Cont
+--- 21962930
+>>21962896
+Which states that Christ was sacrificed to satan as a ransom, the flaw of this is elevating the conception of the power of the demons and creating a kind of Zoroastrian dualism between the power and hold of God vs the power and hold of satan, whereas I believe it is clear that the death of Christ was a payment not to satan, but to God the father himself, his wrathful and legal attributes being sinned against, and sin God being infinite, to sin against him requires an infinite payment to make right the evil, and since God is likewise all merciful, Christ who is God is given to die for man, thus satisfying both God’s attribute of mercy (saving all who know him) and God’s attribute of justice (a sacrifice of infinite value ) this penal substitution/satisfaction theory I find is clearly what the Bible puts forth, further they often dehumanize Christ, even worshiping a non-manifest tabor light in some circumstance.
+
+>>21959868
+A good intro would be the abhinavagupta commentary of the Gita, here have a tantra reading list.
+
+Shiva Sutras
+Shiva Samhita
+(Optional=abhinavagupta commentary of the gita)
+Bhairava tantra (112 meditations )
+The secret supreme:Kashmir shivaism (very simplified but still good.) 
+Kali Kaula(skip if you don’t want Neo-tantra+ historical analysis of tantra and its relations to stuff like Taoism and the general arising of Vedanta and Buddhism from the Upanishads and other such )
+Tantra Illuminated (Skip if you don’t want modern lit)
+Kaulajnananirnaya
+Kularnava Tantra
+Anandalahare
+Matrikabheda Tantra
+Spandakarikas
+Paratrisikavivirana
+Tantraloka (You can also read when you feel up to it the Tantrasara which is a condensed normie friendly version of the tantraloka written by abhinavagupta to give people a tldr)
+
+If read in order you’d more or less fully grape the tantrik pro guna anti-nirguna position and model.
+
+>>21959874
+Glad to hear! Best thing to do is intensify your daily prayers, talking to god and trying to listen to him is the foundation of all real spiritual practice.
+--- 21962942
+>>21962562
+As a Catholic you should check out John R. Dupuche, from his website 
+
+ Rev. Associate Professor John R. Dupuche was born in 1940 in Melbourne, Australia, to French parents who had come to Australia on business and who were prevented from returning to France by the outbreak of the World War II. The family language and culture was French. During his childhood he travelled many times to France with his family.
+
+On leaving secondary school he entered the Jesuits for a number of years and completed an undergraduate degree in Scholastic Philosophy. Later, at Melbourne University he obtained an Honours Degree in French and German and went on to complete a Masters Degree in French literature (with a thesis on Citadelle by A. de St Exupery). After a year of training for the Diplomatic Service in the Foreign Affairs Department in Canberra he went on to study theology completing a double degree in theology at Catholic Theological College and at the Melbourne College of Divinity and was ordained priest for the Archdiocese of Melbourne in 1974. He taught theology for many years at what is now the Australian Catholic University where he was head of the Religious Education Department (at Christ Campus). 
+
+During a year’s sabbatical in the California, Italy and Tamil Nadu and with the advice of Dom Bede Griffiths osb and Dom Thomas Matus osb he came in contact with Kashmir Shaivism.
+
+After some years in parish ministry and with advice from Prof. Alexis Sanderson of Oxford he completed a doctorate in Sanskrit with a translation and commentary on Chapter 29 of the Tantraloka by Abhinavagupta, which describes the Kula ritual, an extreme tantric ritual. This was published in 2003 by Motilal Banarsidass.
+
+During this time of study he came in contact with Prof. Dr. Bettina Bäumer whom he accompanied in 1998 on an epic trip to Mt Kailash and Lake Manasarovar. He travels to India each year where he has a house in Bhubaneshwar, Odisha State, south of Kolkata.
+
+Cont
+--- 21962945
+>>21962942
+He was Honorary Fellow at the Australian Catholic University, for a number of years, with special involvement in interfaith relations, and is senior lecturer at MCD University of Divinity. He is a member of the Ecumenical and Interfaith Commission and chair of the Catholic Interfaith Committee of the Archdiocese. He is particularly interested in its interface with Christianity. His book: Abhinavagupta: the Kula Ritual as Elaborated in Chapter 29 of the Tantrāloka was published in 2003; Jesus, the Mantra of God in 2005; and Vers un Tantra Chrétien in 2009 (translated as Towards a Christian Tantra)and The Rivers of Paradise in 2019. He has written many articles in these fields.
+
+He has established an interfaith ashram in Warburton with Andy Topor, Sandy Kouroupidis, Fr Michael Mifsud, Dr Cullan Joyce-Woods and Dr Herman Roborgh. They represent various traditions: Christianity (Catholic), Buddhism, Hinduism, Samkhya Yoga, and Islam.
+
+He has also established a pastoral relationship with the parishes of Lilydale and Healesville where he regularly celebrates Mass
+--- 21963523
+>>21962945
+Dude how are you this knowledgable and this well read it’s actually genuinely impressive 
+
+Do you have any thoughts on Rene Guénon?
+--- 21963527
+>>21962942
+Thanks for the recommendation also appreciate it
+--- 21963919
+>>21960220
+I would also recommend The Typhonian Trilogies if you like these.

lit/21959648.txt

@@ -15,11 +15,6 @@ He was first and foremost a political dissident. He believed that the West was i
 Reality is like a radio, you can tune into different frequencies. The purpose of life is to shape yourself through self-will to become a worthy recipient and carrier of grace. Contemporary life is a spiritual wasteland filled with hazards and it will only get worse.
 --- 21960340
 >old good new bad
---- 21960343
->>21959648 (OP)
-Evola's work can be summarized with:
-
-Your women will prefer BBC. Kill yourself whitey, the jews won.
 --- 21961445
 Gay loser dredged from the ash heap of history by internet rightoids trying to cobble together an intellectual tradition for their screengame-induced racial anxieties.
 --- 21961453
@@ -43,3 +38,62 @@ everything worthwhile in evola flows from the idea that man is the center.
 --- 21961844
 >>21961825
 Dis
+--- 21962128
+>>21959675
+>The modern world
+Doesn't he mean pre Plato?
+--- 21962154
+Men among the ruins.
+--- 21962457
+muh golden age
+--- 21962613
+>>21960340
+And now Hegel and Marx:
+>new good old bad
+--- 21962983
+>>21959648 (OP)
+Summarising his entire work is a somewhat absurd task. The key to Evola's work is that he interprets the world from the perspective of the creative subject, which is the spiritual spark that animates each of us.
+>>21961825
+It is stunning to see you describe Evola's political ideas as "parochial or bigoted" in the same breath as you praise his conception of centrality. The former also flows from the latter. Some of his political positions are of only contingent value, but those make up a small minority of his overall political contributions.
+--- 21963027
+>>21961445
+He always makes leftoids seethe cause they can't debunk him whitout getting interested in his work, or something similar.
+
+The anarchist/post leftoid pipeline to new age thinker is real
+--- 21963751
+>>21959648 (OP)
+Both our broader society and the psyches of individual people have become increasingly sentimental and mechanistic over time. The decline from kingship to the rule of mass man parallels the loss of personal inner form. On the cultural level, this is unavoidable and will result a natural process of decline and rebirth. For the individual, it can be remedied by engaging in spiritual or martial practices which foster the ability to act in a dispassionate way.
+--- 21963769
+>>21961825
+>man is the center
+I think that could be a bit of a risky statement in terms of trying to explain Evola to somebody who hasn't read him because it can easily end up sounding like the emphasis is on the ordinary subjective human state. Obviously one has to get beyond the peripheries of one's own consciousness and find the center of oneself before one can be identified with the center of anything else.
+--- 21963781
+>>21962128
+It’s not a dichotomy like before this point is Traditional and after this point is anti-Traditional. It waxes and wanes at any one point, but overall, he’s talking about the modern World, like post-Renaissance. Two times he mentions a lot are the Guelph and Ghibelline wars and the French Revolution.
+--- 21963783
+>>21961825
+This is wrong.
+--- 21963813
+Should I start with Grail or can I just jump into collected esssays and articles like East & West or Handbook for Right-Wing Youth?
+--- 21963818
+a ponderous meme
+--- 21963829
+>>21963813
+It doesn’t matter.
+--- 21964311
+>>21961453
+>Read Introduction to the Study of the Hindu Doctrines and some other Guenon first.
+Why does order matter? Either they're both worth reading or they're not both worth reading.
+--- 21964366
+>>21963027
+>The anarchist/post leftoid pipeline to new age thinker is real
+Damn straight and I even did it without the internet
+--- 21964413
+>>21959648 (OP)
+Evola pisses on you and me also.
+Consider it a blessing.
+--- 21964456
+>>21961825
+Leo isn't Evola
+--- 21965569
+>>21963813

lit/21959875.txt

@@ -37,3 +37,138 @@ literally me
 --- 21961358
 >>21959875 (OP)
 Jaquayna could feel the arms of Tyrone resting on her shoulder. Their shared niggerness made her feel safe and comfortable in his arms. She could not tell when his body began and hers ended (her poor vision didn't help). He looked like her father, Lebron, whom she had never met but had been described to her by her mother. These were the arms she wanted to be around her until the day she got pregnant; these were the arms she wanted to beat her when she got sassy; these were the arms she wanted to share a welfare check with.
+--- 21962165
+>>21961053
+nice
+--- 21962194
+>>21959875 (OP)
+I'll be lying to say Halle Bailey isn't beautiful.
+--- 21962272
+>>21959882
+Holy epic pwned, are you perhaps the CEO of racism? Haha I just love 4chan you lot really are so based haha 
+
+>inb4 t. Nonwhite because I am
+--- 21962276
+>>21959882
+>>21960028
+>>21961053
+>>21961053
+>>21961260
+>>21961358
+reddit
+--- 21962373
+>>21962276
+You're fucking reddit fucking suck a fucking dick and die fucking faggot
+--- 21962463
+>>21959919
+It's obviously because of her wide ass nose.
+--- 21962530
+>>21959875 (OP)
+I'd probably make it poem/allegory where the twist is it could apply to either the monkey or the person, using either women or black or even both as the comparison.
+>Locked in a cage when I did nothing wrong
+>Told to stay with those who look like me
+>Fear for my safety in this wild jungle
+>Blah blah blah more similarities
+--- 21962535
+>>21959919
+Eyes tend to narrow when smiling. Understandable you don't understand when you're terminally online.
+--- 21962591
+>>21959882
+kek owned xD
+--- 21962594
+>>21962373
+Ah. 4chan. The only place where you can say these kinds of phrases.
+--- 21962646
+>>21962594
+Newfag spotted
+--- 21962726
+I wanted to sex the black woman but the chimp held her tight. I tried intimidation tactics but the monkey just laughed at me and the woman started laughing too; defeated I return home and prepare for my future battle.
+--- 21962740
+>>21962726
+Lol, please continue
+--- 21962772
+>>21962726
+That's actually not a chimp, and it's not a monkey either! Didya know it's actually an orangutan! They're a lanky, frugivorous great ape native to southeast asia!
+--- 21962892
+>>21962772
+Heard they have no style and no grace.
+--- 21962950
+"STANDOWN COUNTY ZOO", said the sign right before C60's eyes. Nervously, C60 looked at the package in his bag with "URGENT / DELIVER TO CEO TOM HENDERSON / AT HIS OFFICE" scribbled on the case with a green marker, then looked at his phone. 
+"LORD HARRY №6 STOP ASKING", said the SMS message. No turning back now.
+"Is everything alright, sir?", said the cashier lady.
+"Yes."
+"No. I mean: is everything alright, sir?"
+"Actually, well, it says here that this should be the office of the CEO of GenTone and-"
+"Off- Oh, Christ.", she said and crossed herself in a goofy New Age way. "The CEO. Let me escort you to the office."
+"Thanks, I would-"
+"No."
+C60 and the lady walked through the zoo, past all the rodents — close, but no match — and the reptiles, and the cats. After six months of couriering, he could finally see a perk: rarely you see a toad getting out a thing half his own size — and for free. It is almost-
+"Here."
+Before C60 could say anything, the cashier already ran like he was her own firing squad. He was near an unusually remote monkey cage. Inside it was an orangutan and a nice, Robert Shea's type-type lady looking at him. It almost looked like-
+"Ook."
+"Excuse me. I'm searching for CEO Tom Hen-"
+"Ook-ook."
+"Excuse me. Here's the pack-"
+"Ook-ook, nigga. We've been waiting for you for hours. Give me the package. Open it first."
+"But you are not CEO Tom Hen-"
+C60 saw that it was not the girl talking. 
+"Give the shipment to Tom Henderson.", said the orangutan and pointed at his face. At least C60 could say that he cross-confirmed his ID through similarly hideous teeth — hallmark Saxon excellence. 
+"But you're just a talking orangutan, aren't you?"
+"Sort of. Also the CEO Tom Henderson. Changed my genetic makeup a bit, on a vacation right now. Needed to go back to basics."
+"Why not a chimp?".
+"Doesn't have the same zing. See?" He groped the girl's shoulders - just like that newspaper picture. Remarkably GenTone genius of the monkey. 
+"I see. Could you confirm the shipment?"
+"Yup. Shea's gonna do it."
+The "shipment" consisted of a single SMILING JACK HIGH DROP WHISKEY bottle and two pebble-sized slabs of Ternal-Ice to cool it down. The lady took out a stamp and pressed it against a business card-sized paper. A perfect recreation of Henderson's signature with a little "i.a." added underneath.
+"What does 'i.a.' mean?"
+"In absence. I only exist as a non-individual legal entity right now."
+"Alright. I see. Anyways, the N-word bit was a bit rude."
+"Yeah, and then you're gonna tell everyone that an orangutan called you the N-word — the N-wo'd, even! — at a local zoo. Don't be silly. Shea's gonna mail you 20 bonds extra for the trouble."
+"Shall I leave the bank ID for Shea?"
+"Nah. Shea's gonna find you herself. Shea is proficient. You're gonna get the mail not from the company, but from Alice, so don't get scared."
+"Alice?"
+"Yeah." The orangutan pointed at the lady. "Hera name."
+"Alright. Thank you."
+"Thank you, nigga."
+"..."
+"40 bonds, alright?"
+--- 21963449
+>>21962535
+He's talking about how far apart they are m8
+--- 21964704
+>>21962772
+You would know, wouldn't you, monkeyfucker.
+--- 21964734
+Its an odd sensation, being held by a primate. The leering orange furred dwarf is a creature, a beast, an animal, yet within the swirling double helix which makes up its genetic code is a vast subsection of information which is identical to my own, identical to the very DNA of every man, woman, and child on this Earth. And that is all very big, thinking about the billions and billions of souls who are closer to this ape from a faraway jungle than the cat in their bedroom or the dog sleeping peacefully with eyes shut and ears half-perked while nestled in between a couch cushion framed in sunlight and his owners arm, pale and still, resting like a pup alongside his mother whom he misses but cannot really remember. In any case, the ape is much like us—on the inside, and the inside is where things really count if you believe what people say. And when the creature’s arm wraps around your shoulder and you feel the dirty tufts of simian fur tickle your nose you smile, and you laugh and laugh and the ape laughs too, in its own curious animal way, and for just one moment you feel like a Part Of Nature and not a Man With Terrible Unlimited Information In His Or Her Pants Pocket And A Goddamn Atom Bomb Waiting To Drop On Those Bastard Foreigners Across The Sea. And yes, it is true. The monkey loves to hug you.
+--- 21964827
+Without warning, both of them broke out in wide smiles. The crowd murmured nervously, eyes darting to and fro.
+"Are...you serious?" one gawker finally managed.
+"Of course!" he gushed. "I'm an orangutan! Don't I look like one?"
+"Yeah..." another trailed off. "But...how can you talk?"
+"Evolution, baby!" he beamed. "For centuries, scientists have been stumped by the gaps in the fossil records, by the lack of smooth transitions between species. Am I right?"
+A young girl fidgeted uneasily. "Yeah, but..."
+"Well, here's the answer!" he announced. "It happens all at once! My parents may be everyday, mundane orangutans, but something different happened with me, and here I am! Just as intelligent and erudite as any of you!"
+A teenage boy stared wildly, mumbling incoherently. "Well...most of you, at least." Appreciative chuckles washed through the crowd, breaking some of the tension. The teenager's cheeks flushed red.
+"So were you born like this?" asked a middle-aged woman.
+"No, but then, neither were you," he pointed out. "I began life looking and acting like any garden-variety primate. But through hard work, relentless study, and a little luck, I became the dashing fellow you see before you."
+"How did you learn to read?" a young boy asked.
+"The same way you did!" the orangutan retorted. "Someone taught me! In my case, it was a kindly zookeeper who saw my potential." He smirked. "You were taught by zookeepers too, but you call them elementary-school teachers." More giggles flitted through the crowd.
+"How has no one heard of you until now?" asked a teenage girl. "Seems like you would have drawn more attention."
+The orangutan snickered. "Have you seen the streets these days? There are much weirder citydwellers than me. I barely even warrant a second look."
+He drew his sweetie close to him. "Until the day I met my little sugar plum here. Thanks to her, I believe in love at first sight! We've been inseparable ever since!"
+"And what about you?" one gentleman asked, turning to the orangutan's lady. "Was it love at first sight for you too?"
+"Oooooh!" she erupted.
+"Beg pardon?" he asked.
+"Oooooh!" she continued. "Oooooh oooooh oooooh oooooh aaaaah aaaaah AAAAAH!"
+With a series of fluid motions, she scrambled up a nearby tree and began swinging from a branch, holding on to it with one hand. "AAAAAH! AAAAAH! AAAAAH!"
+The orangutan finally broke the stunned silence. "Isn't she something? What a keeper."
+"I...I don't understand," blubbered another gentleman. "Is she an orangutan too?"
+"No, of course not," the orangutan explained. "She's human. Her parents are human. But evolution played a cruel trick on her. She devolved."
+He smiled as he gazed at her; she was now hanging from a branch by her legs, and moving to fill her hand with her own excrement. "Isn't she a treasure?" he chimed. "She reminds me of dear old mom."
+--- 21965279
+blacks looks like aliens. they even have weird eyes and bulb foreheads, I mean look at that bitch
+--- 21965550
+>>21959875 (OP)
+Personally, I've been pretty apathetic toward the live action Disney remakes. I feel bad for this girl, though. Because of Hollywood's obsession with needless race swapping, in particular with erasing redheads, she's getting a shitload of hate on her first big movie. Hopefully it doesn't end up destroying her career.
+
+Also, would smash, and if you wouldn't you're a faggot.

lit/21959926.txt

@@ -28,9 +28,6 @@ As long as you make the attempt, you'll be better off.
 --- 21961008
 >>21960999
 all right then, count me in
---- 21961013
->>21959926 (OP)
-Kill yourself loser
 --- 21961018
 >>21959926 (OP)
 I have never read it, so it will be my first time. 
@@ -83,3 +80,60 @@ what language do you read in?
 --- 21961465
 >>21959926 (OP)
 I’ll do it
+--- 21962245
+>>21961369
+Spanish, it's my native language. I'm ESL.
+--- 21962283
+>>21962245
+How unfortunate
+--- 21962314
+>>21959926 (OP)
+Sounds good. Count me in
+--- 21962342
+>>21959938
+Fpwp
+--- 21963054
+Thinking about this some more, it seems like a good idea to extend the reading period to 24 days, so that we can discuss one book per day. Is this too slow?
+--- 21964123
+the odysee is miles better then the sillysad
+--- 21964318
+>>21964123
+btfo. 
+
+also, are we doing actually this read along? I feel like I don't want to participate unless we get commitments from at least 20 people. I figure 90% of people that start the read along won't finish it and I want there to be at least one other guy left with me at the end.
+
+I count eight participants so far, which means that if 90% quit by the end then there will be one person alone to finish the Iliad.
+--- 21964341
+>>21959926 (OP)
+>2 weeks
+This doesn't seem incredibly well-thought-out. 14 days to read 24 books? Why not 12 or 24 days?
+--- 21964345
+>>21964341
+I would prefer if it were 24 days. I have multiple jobs. What's the hurry?
+--- 21964354
+>>21964345
+I agree with this anon, plus it's easier to do group discussions one chapter per day. If you try to discuss multiple chapters people will inevitably differ on which chapter they'd prefer to discuss.
+--- 21964409
+>>21964318
+Count me in
+--- 21964439
+>>21959926 (OP)
+I just started the Green translation anon; on book 3. I'm game.
+--- 21964459
+>>21959938
+I've already read the Fitzgerald translation but I have the Lattimore and have been wanting to read it. And up until 2 years ago, I hadn't read it, but I'd been wanting to read it for over a decade, so your statement isn't even accurate. I'm sure there are plenty of people who would like to read it but have a long list of things they'd like to read and it hasn't come up yet. My "to read" list is like 150 books long and I'm lucky if I read 15 full-length books in a year. So even if I just go in order without adding anything new, it'll be another 10 years before I've gotten through everything I want to read.
+--- 21964510
+Vamos /lit/ !
+--- 21964817
+I’m in, just got an old copy of Lattimore with a comfy cover.
+--- 21964971
+>>21964817
+Post pic pls :)
+--- 21965142
+>>21964971
+I didn’t mean old as in antique or anything. It’s just the 60s version of this edition >>21964510. For some reason, book covers just get uglier by the year.
+--- 21965152
+>>21965142
+Agreed, i fucking hate the shitty graphic cover but ah well
+--- 21965515
+count me in

lit/21960004.txt

@@ -81,3 +81,68 @@ I'm a speaker of Portuguese and English, and I came across this poem when lurkin
 --- 21961467
 >>21960004 (OP)
 principalmente leo clásicos pero tambien quiero leer uno que otro libro contemporáneo. ¿Qué libro recomiendan que se haya escrito en el siglo 21? he escuchado mencionar a Mariana Enríquez por este libro y por su colección de cuentos, ¿alguien la ha leído?
+--- 21962233
+>>21961297
+Aprende español para leer las mejores obras del boom latinoamericano, después se te hará más fácil aprender francés
+--- 21962265
+>>21960058
+
+Qué tal es el de Terra Nostra? Hace días que lo busco pero esta descatalogado en todas partes.
+--- 21962432
+>>21960004 (OP)
+who/where/when?
+--- 21962701
+>>21962432
+Carolina Herrera. Venezuelan fashionista. She’s 80something now. No doubt does not love in her home country.
+--- 21962951
+>>21962701
+thank you.
+--- 21963349
+>>21960004 (OP)
+Buenas tardes muchachos
+
+¿Alguien no tiene recomendaciones de poetas técnicamente muy buenos, y que tengan un estilo similar a autores como Manuel José Othon? Puntos extra si se pueden encontrar sus libros en internet.
+
+Me gustó mucho su colección «Poemas rústicos» y me gustaría leer más en esta línea. Y si alguien tuviera un buen recurso para descubrir nuevos poetas eso sería genial.
+
+¡Tengan buen día!
+--- 21964315
+>>21960004 (OP)
+Bumpo
+--- 21964343
+>>21961467
+La Perra, Pilar Quintana
+--- 21964494
+>>21961467
+Haré trampa: leete 2666 de Bolaño, técnicamente del XXI aunque por publicación póstuma. De esa forma lees simultáneamente un clásico y algo contemporáneo.
+--- 21964501
+¿Mas metafísica en Español?
+--- 21964513
+>>21964494
+Honestamente el primer libro de 2666 es una de las peores experiencias literarias que he tenido, porque ni tiene una trama interesante, ni está escrito de una manera particularmente buena. No veo ninguna razón por la que a tantas personas les gusta. (Aunque no leí el resto del libro porque para la página ciento y algo decidí que la verdad no valía la pena)
+--- 21964568
+>>21964343
+gracias, parece corto, lo leeré pronto.
+>>21964494
+este parece largo y ya tengo muchos ladrillos esperándome, seguramente lo llegaré a leer pero no aún, quizá alguna novela mas corta suya. ¿recomendarías sus cuentos?
+--- 21964586
+>>21960004 (OP)
+Hola senors
+Books on how to get a Latina gf?
+--- 21964628
+>>21960145
+How was Pérez Galdós not hispanic?
+--- 21964677
+>>21960021
+Lindo poema, espero que estés orgulloso de poder escribir así.
+--- 21965304
+>>21963349
+Antonio Machado y Ruben Dario, aunque si leíste a Otho más probable es que ya los hayas leído o que al menos los conozcas.
+--- 21965309
+>>21964586
+Just be white
+--- 21965426
+>>21960145
+>spanish
+>not hispanic
+?

lit/21960124.txt

@@ -161,3 +161,50 @@ If someone tells me “my mouth is lonely” I’m thinking they want my dick in
 --- 21961879
 >>21960266
 Yours is unironically the more autistic position.
+--- 21962816
+>>21961875
+Because you're a raging homosexual
+--- 21962826
+>>21960124 (OP)
+In many ways "my mouth is lonely" is a better translation. It adds interesting cultural information without really sacrificing the meaning.
+But is my mouth *literally* lonely?
+--- 21962891
+>>21960124 (OP)
+Translation is a dying field and will be rendered completely obsolete in the next few years. Delete this pointless thread and take on a plumbing apprenticeship instead.
+
+And no, you cannot become a Japanese->English translator/interpreter in current year. Fuck off we're full etc.
+--- 21962926
+>>21962891
+>troon trying to gatekeep
+I am learning Japanese and there is nothing you can do about it.
+--- 21963381
+>>21961478
+This. The footnote should also have a several paragraph digression into the politics of food in Endo period Japan, and rather that conjugating verbs, should use [topic], [question], etc. markers like in Japanese. 
+
+People who localize languages are cowards lacking in the necessary autism to create truly great translations.
+--- 21963431
+>>21962926
+Most of us are already on Chinese and the slow pokes are still grinding Korean. Japanese is old hat. How old are you? I certainly hope you're not >25 otherwise you're seriously behind in Asian language aquisition and I suggest you pick up the pace. 
+
+Some serious grinders are already at Vietnamese and Thai; you have a lot of catching up to do if you're still stuck in the dense woods of に's and て's and は's. Best of luck in your studies.
+--- 21963506
+>>21960124 (OP)
+>I feel snacky
+People who speak like this are retarded.
+--- 21963724
+>>21963431
+You're a dumb nigger. I have no interest in learning any Asian language besides Japanese. Why did you suddenly start talking about other languages?
+--- 21963767
+>>21960124 (OP)
+>I feel snacky
+What?
+--- 21963872
+>>21963724
+Sorry, please disregard my post then as it doesn't apply to you. I thought you were in the ESL teaching, Asian country hopping crew that aspires to master each country's respective language and fully experience the culture/sights/sounds/women before advancing onto the next one. You don't have to live there to study and become proficient in their languages, of course, but it's much, much more rewarding if you do.
+
+The typical order for such a thing is Japan first, then Korea, China, and the last two (Vietnam and Thailand) can be done in any order. If you learn Japanese first then Korean and Mandarin are absolutely trivial; any other order is inefficient. I don't know about Vietnamese and Thai as I haven't gotten there yet but I have peers that have. There is a whole world of oriental language learning out there, my friend, and Japanese is not only a piece of it, but the starting point.
+
+If you plan on learning Japanese in isolation then have it, but you may yourself itching for more once you find yourself burning through books without much challenge. That's when you start Korean, and hopefully by then you will have spent a substantial amount of time teaching in Japan and so be well-prepared and situated to launch right into your journey in Korea.
+--- 21963981
+>>21963872
+lol

lit/21960160.txt

@@ -1,9 +1,6 @@
 -----
 --- 21960160
 What are some good essential schizo books?
---- 21960169
->>21960160 (OP)
-Let me think about it... kill yourself nigger.
 --- 21960175
 >>21960169
 Racism is the biggest sign of poor education and lack of world experience. I think you'd fit in a lot more on the lower IQ boards like /Pol/ or Reddit
@@ -38,3 +35,92 @@ Anything by Philip K. Dick
 >>21960175
 >lack of world experience.
 I wasn't antisemitic until I started reading books.
+--- 21962012
+>>21960160 (OP)
+--- 21962034
+>>21960160 (OP)
+Kafka - the trial (gangstalking)
+Fowles - the magus (gangstalking)
+pynchon - vineland (gangstalking + mk ultra shit)
+pynchon - gravitys rainbow (those same themes from vineland are developmed much more comprehensively)
+guenon - the reign of quantity (delusional apocalyptic thinking, pesecution complex .etc. developed into a systematic philosophy)
+dostoevsky - the double (gangstalking)
+dion fortune - psychic self-defense (actually parts of this one might be true, idk
+--- 21962172
+>>21960175
+Anti-racism is the biggest sign of growing up in all white suburbs
+--- 21962844
+>>21960175
+Youll find that most people are racist and learned that through experiencing people of other races. Marxists like you take for granted being raised in wealthy white majority areas and despite your grandstanding about racism everyone still thinks youre a pussy. In fact ive met more racists than non racists. I make friends with all races as well.
+--- 21963952
+>>21960175
+>Racism is the biggest sign of poor education and lack of world experience.
+this is why nigras shit on whites all the time
+--- 21964266
+Blood and Guts in High School
+--- 21964351
+Dark Mission - Richard Hoagland
+
+Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars
+--- 21964378
+>>21962172
+>>21962844
+Those faggots project their own personal sheltered privileged life into all white people. Many years ago on Faceboom a girl I knew posted that she called the cops because she heard a noise in her (giant) house but when they came they realized it was just the maid. A guy commented "white people problems". She was Jewish btw.
+--- 21964392
+Pizzagate: what really happened - Ace of Spades
+
+Big takeaways: 
+
+Shooter at Comet Pizza was a small time actor, who walked in and fired one shot, destroying the server on site. Traffic camera facing outside was moved for the day of the shooting only. (Judge in the case was Ketanji Brown Jackson)
+Excerpts of the extremely damning wikileaks emails
+
+Hillary state department intervening to free child traffickers in Haiti. Lawyer involved later arrested for child sex crimes. Trafficker went on to work for Alert Sense, ie Amber Alert
+
+Podesta's abused children art
+
+Hastert CSA
+
+Alefantis using pedo lingo on social media
+
+Alefantis' home was bought and sold like a dozen times in rapid succession, sometimes back and forth with the same people, utilizing a real estate agent who was identified as a Clinton era spook, at the very least money laundering was happening
+--- 21964420
+This woman had like 7 books, they're hard to find and expensive but I want to get them
+
+https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Tracy_Twyman
+--- 21964447
+>>21964420
+>https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Tracy_Twyman
+It is worth noting the milieu she came from and how that might have informed, or compromised, a lot of her work.
+--- 21964493
+>>21960175
+what sort of education would exactly contribute to a reduction of racism?
+What sort of experience could possibly reduce racism, when crime increases the more mixed a neighborhood is? The only experience in that context that I could imagine must be living in a 100% white closed community full of champagne socialists.
+--- 21964534
+CCRU Writings, Programmed to Kill, Behead all Satans, My Diary
+--- 21964915
+>>21964447
+I don't know much about her milieu desu. How do you mean?
+--- 21965398
+Acid Dreams. About the Nazi background of LSD, it being coopted by the OSS and later the CIA and deployed as MK-ULTRA, how the agency infiltrated bands through the project and even run some of them, like Grateful Dead
+
+A History of Central Banking and the Enslavement of Mankind. Nuff said
+--- 21965415
+>>21964915
+She came up into the scene around Boyd Rice, Zeena LaVey, Nikolas Schreck. That whole pseudo-occultic Chruch of Satan, and later Temple of Set crowd that dovetails into lots of glowie shit. 
+
+It is unclear how serious her conversion away from that stuff was when she wrote most of her later books, it is very likely she was doing the ever profitable "Satanist to Christian tell all" grift that American evangelicals love so much.
+--- 21965437
+>>21965415
+I'm sure she wiped her blog after her "suicide" because she was a grifter
+--- 21965496
+>>21965437
+That's sloppy thinking, anon. If you are going to get into this stuff but insist on a dynamic where a person's entire body of work is vindicated by an untimely death and spooky shit surrounding it and thus should be embraced uncritically then you are a prime candidate for being mindfucked. 
+
+There are any number of reasons for why what happened happened. We don't know the particulars, and we should not abandon nuance simply to expediate narrative.
+--- 21965510
+>>21965496
+>There are any number of reasons for why what happened happened.
+There's one reason: she talked too much (not about the wackadoo John Dee shit though, which I strongly suspect was her desperate attempt to misdirect and paint herself as a harmless schizo, but by that point it was too late).
+--- 21965533
+>>21965510
+That isn't a reason. It is the gesture toward there being a reason. It's borderline meaningless, at the very least wildly unhelpful unless you can be specific, not to mention it would be completely retarded to just uncritically accept the entire spectrum of her claims in lieu of specifics, especially when you take into consideration the crowd she emerged from and the people in the government who they crossed paths with.

lit/21960282.txt

@@ -6,9 +6,6 @@ What kind of books should you read in your early 30s?
 --- 21960289
 >>21960282 (OP)
 You should focus on starting a family and getting your career in order. Books are for children and the elderly.
---- 21960292
->>21960282 (OP)
-If you're still reading in your 30s you should just KYS
 --- 21960304
 >>21960289
 >>21960292
@@ -93,3 +90,87 @@ How this man is in his mid 30s and didn't settle for audience pussy baffles me
 imagine the amount of time he could be spending on building a family and career instead of trying to convince a /lit/ forum to stop reading books
 --- 21961476
 I would recommend re-reading some classics you might not have read for a decade or so.
+--- 21962008
+>>21960282 (OP)
+lmao at thinking you're significant enough for what you spend your free time on to matter.
+--- 21962015
+>>21960282 (OP)
+Books about semiotics
+--- 21962019
+>>21960282 (OP)
+The Tartar Steppe. 
+Re-read once at every decade milestone (20, 30, 40 et).
+--- 21962025
+>>21961219
+He is a former coke and pillhead (oxycodone).
+I can tell you from experience, that after you've had the best chemicals on offer for hedonism, sex isn't as appealing as before. Even worse, if you've been an addict long enough, you'll ruin your sexual drive and performance.
+His funny songs about cumming soft? That's speaking from experience for a former pillhead. After long enough addiction, you'll need opioids to last any amount of time in bed. Some find a middle ground with kratom.
+It wasn't incidental he got a sponsorship deal with a kratom company.
+--- 21962029
+>>21960282 (OP)
+just whatever you want to read OP
+--- 21962461
+>>21960289
+>You should focus on starting a family and getting your career in order.
+Any book recommendations on how to achieve this?
+--- 21962467
+>>21960282 (OP)
+Within the limits of the western canon, read whatever interests you, anon.
+--- 21962522
+Whether you did or didn’t go through formal education when you were younger, you probably missed on a genuine liberal arts and humanistic education. For the development of virtue, the classics are the most important category of literature that can be read. For the cultivation of the person, sooner is always better than later.
+--- 21962621
+>>21960282 (OP)
+Damn his hairline took a brutal turn for the worse. Literally shaped like an ass LOL
+--- 21963621
+>>21960282 (OP)
+books with male protags in their 30s. duh. e.g. mid to late Hemingway, midlife-crisis-core to prepare yourself, and contemporary stuff, because earlier generations have never lived the same kind of life in their 30s since they were financially more potent and culturally less youthful in general.
+--- 21963646
+>>21960289
+Easy for you to say. I can’t seem to attract a woman to save my life
+--- 21963655
+>>21960282 (OP)
+taxes for dummies
+--- 21963663
+>>21960282 (OP)
+"How To Makes As Much Money As Humanly Possible And Stop Thinking About How Fucked We All Are" by anon
+--- 21963708
+>>21960305
+This. You’re in your 30s and still don’t know what you like. You’re not gonna read anything that’s recommended to you here, you’re just a guy that “wants to get into reading”
+--- 21963827
+>>21962025
+
+Early 20s I was into skiing big time. Loved it, went fast and pushed myself to progress. Didn't care for pussy much at all. Not nearly as much of a rush as drugs but fuck my whole body would feel like an erection fucking the fabric of time and space when I was killing it on a good line. Fuck this feble human body we get that can't do that shit for out whole lives.
+--- 21963850
+>>21962025
+Nick is absolutely an opioid addict and he doesn't even hide it, from casually mentioning that he did heroin "probably 20-30 times" (uh-huh), to suggesting they finish recording to go get pills (several times), to the story Adam gave recently about him being a mopey angry bitch on their trip to Japan until he scored some tramadol.
+Getting opioids in Japan is close to impossible, and tramadol is one of the shittiest ones. That you'd go through that trouble tells you everything.
+And yeah, the kratom dealer sponsorship is just him screaming it at the top of his lungs.
+Insane how few people have caught on.
+--- 21964073
+>>21963850
+explains why the mood changed post japan/australia on the show.
+--- 21964079
+>>21960330
+Youre so insecure you can't fathom reading for enjoyment, just fucking kill yourself you miserable cunt why are you even on here if you're gonna be a faggot?
+--- 21964096
+>>21961219
+DID I GAY THATTTT???
+--- 21964204
+>>21961012
+based knower
+--- 21964605
+>>21960282 (OP)
+by your early 30s you ought to have read all the books already
+--- 21964615
+Is Nick actually /lit/? People say he is but I never believed it. Seems like he's "/lit/" in the sense that he knows what books are great and probably tried reading them at one point but dropped them. Dropping quotes from Confessions and saying he read American Pastoral and Blood Meridian isn't anything crazy. Apparently he was very poor so all he had as entertainment was reading EPUBs on his phone for a few years.
+--- 21964724
+>>21964615
+>Is Nick actually /lit/?
+No. People desperately want him to be, though. It'd be so cool if the working class funnyman who does the retarded cum pod was secretly a learned scholar. It's also why someone like Norm Macdonald is elevated to oracle-status, like a madonna-whore situation for men.
+
+Adam is the true /lit/chad and cultured one of the two, but no one wants to admit it because he comes across as a smarmy hipster, nor is it impressive because he's a middle class Jew (i.e. it's expected of him).
+--- 21965130
+>>21964615
+In the sense he's read some American classics, yes. His writing never went anywhere though
+--- 21965213
+goosebumps

lit/21960520.txt

@@ -23,9 +23,6 @@ wow the fact somebody typed all this and thought it was worthwhile commentary is
 --- 21961006
 >>21961003
 What kind of faggoty passive aggression is this? Just say "bad post nigger" you fucking queer.
---- 21961009
->>21960520 (OP)
-kys
 --- 21961014
 >>21961006
 I wasn't being passive aggressive, I was serious. Your post was bad, but it amused me. It was utterly campy in a remarkable way. I yearn to know more of your non-opinions
@@ -88,3 +85,37 @@ in Fight club its a rejection of ones role in society
 --- 21961320
 >>21960520 (OP)
 I actually love this book and I remember calling out my literature professor in jest because he went ahead and spoiled some parts of the book because the semester was almost over and we had to move on to other material.
+--- 21962211
+>>21961131
+>anyone with a spicy lexicon for banter
+>literally just no-no words in a poor effort to trigger negative reaction
+Your bant was shit and /pol/tier. Simple as.
+--- 21962398
+>>21962211
+>t. Buttblasted porch monkey
+Oh please spare us your bourgeois posturing
+--- 21962642
+>>21960520 (OP)
+nope, falling down, the falling down jewlywood fags basically rip this book off beat for beat
+--- 21962650
+>>21960988
+same, I thought it was great. It really spoke to a man out of time whose culture and traditions are being taken over by a foreign element. All fashy nationalists should love this book imo. As I just said in my previous post, falling down is the exact same story only from the white man's point of view
+--- 21962722
+>>21962398>>literally just no-no words in a poor effort to trigger negative reaction
+--- 21963542
+>>21960992
+Did the Igbo have the wheel before or after the evil colonialists came?
+--- 21963556
+>>21962650
+Falling down has a scene where he ventilates a white nationalist because he is racist.
+--- 21963845
+>>21963542
+>Did the Igbo have the wheel before or after the evil colonialists came?
+
+What are you trying to say, that white people invented the wheel? You can't possibly be that dumb.
+--- 21963964
+>>21960520 (OP)
+Achebe was a Nietzschean
+--- 21965227
+>>21962650
+Why would I like a book describing how terrible things are becoming? Why is this enjoyable? I always hated failing down shit. It is literally produced by the people who hate you.

lit/21960522.txt

@@ -7,3 +7,23 @@ Sadly, Porn
 --- 21961629
 >>21960522 (OP)
 start with the greeks
+--- 21963024
+>>21960624
+This one is on my to buy list.
+--- 21963109
+Steppenwolf maybe
+--- 21963125
+>>21960522 (OP)
+you will to escape the self, all people are self obsessed, literature is full of self obsessed people
+--- 21963132
+>>21960522 (OP)
+have sex
+--- 21963559
+>>21963024
+Just ordered it, I'm always down for psychobabble social critique
+--- 21964010
+>>21960522 (OP)
+Unironically, Bronze Age Mindset
+--- 21964651
+>>21963109
+It’s funny that book is actually what prompted me making this thread. Seeing how obsessed Harry was with himself hit close to home

lit/21960607.txt

@@ -109,3 +109,314 @@ Your midwittery is showing...
 >>21961726
 >I read MK and it was more autobiographical than intellectual
 Are you reading the right book? Who's translation are you reading?
+--- 21962039
+>>21961726
+Are you retarded?
+--- 21962046
+I heard he spoke fluent German. 
+Pretty impressive. It's a tough language.
+--- 21962048
+>>21961737
+He might have read something in school. Exsmple:
+Someond could say, "I have read Dostoyevsky" after reading C&P. Others could say it after reading most, if not all, of his works... technically, both read Dostoyevsky, but one read just one book in high school, and the other was an avid reader. Exactly, as you gave said, mixing in the truth.
+--- 21962087
+>>21962048
+>mixing in the truth.
+Where is the lie?
+--- 21962096
+>>21961699
+>He wrote Mein Kampf
+He didn't, he dictated it to Rudolf Hess who acted as his scribe.
+--- 21962143
+>>21961648
+>>21961684
+Ok, but did he ever talk about any particular literature he enjoyed?
+--- 21962160
+>>21961971
+I don't know I forgot who translated it but it was from a National Socialist publisher.
+>>21962039
+No, I just can't find anything helpful there. Mein Kampf doesn't teach you how to organize people. Nor does it offer a philosophy of life. It's merely a summary of Hitler's life up till his arrest. Frankly I find the book unconvincing.
+--- 21962171
+>>21960607 (OP)
+jew here, would smash hitler's bussy just saying
+--- 21962201
+>>21962160
+It parallels/predicts our political crisis today to a T
+--- 21962309
+>>21961408
+Nonwhites were largely a nonentity until third worldism was developed and still weren't a real threat until the anglos literally spawned billions of them from the mud during their green revolution
+--- 21962672
+>>21960969
+I can't. I just can't. The more I read about his biography, and I am stating this here publicly, the more I like him as a person, the more I understand him.
+What I do not understand, however, is why he thought killing the Jews and surrounding himself with Yes-men was the right idea? Does War do this to men? Was he so broken that he, after a life of unaccomplishment and the defeat of the only purpose he set himself with said poor life he lived, absorbed the rhetoric of the times and just so happened to become its leading voice by being the most forward and most crushed individual at that table in 1921, campaigning for a decade on the same points to then become leader of Germany through a plot so theatrical it might as well be fiction? 
+Hitler must've known that he wouldn't have been a "Weltbeherrscher", he must've known that the war was lost when Britain continued and when America got involved, when the Soviets did not fall. He played high-risk and high-reward, and he fell in the end because people saw through his bluff. 
+
+Some part of me thinks he was just playing a game at that point. He had everything he ever hoped for, the respect and admiration of millions, millions following his every command, the dream of someone so punished by society, the dream of the (post-)modern man he was in barely modern times. And more importantly, the leisure to live and let live, a home he didn't have to leave, and no work to be done only for the sake of survival, only for the sake of paying rent.
+--- 21962679
+>>21962087
+Not him but you're disingenuous.
+--- 21962787
+>>21961717
+Can you blame him? He was drinking water from wells in military camps and dysentery had like a 1 in 5 death rate. Even today its almost 1 in 20.
+--- 21962793
+>>21961726
+>it teachs you a man's worldview (all books do this)
+>it doesnt teach you anything
+
+Congrats
+--- 21962845
+>>21960607 (OP)
+This is probably the best book from him. It’s just the transcript of a conversation between Hitler and Dietrich Eckhart, a founding member of the German Workers Party and the philosophic mentor to Hitler, laying out exactly why they don’t like Jews. It lays out a grand and epic conspiracy theory where Jews act as shadow agents throughout history to manipulate world events in their favor, the title is not an exaggeration in its scope. It traces events from ancient/biblical history all the way up to the Bolshevik revolution in Russia which was a current event at the time.
+--- 21962992
+>>21962672
+He makes a lot more sense once you shed the evil mad man cartoon character understanding and see him as a person. His actions make so much sense when you take into account that he was this bookish loner, and that this personality when combined with his firey determination made him into a myopic and stubborn dictator who knew what was best with everyone, and then surrounded himself with yes men who all fought with each other to kiss his ass the most in order to be his favorite, something he knew was going on and enjoyed. Of course this scenario is not good for the longevity of a nation state.
+
+And he makes it clear from his writings why he hated Jews, see this
+>>21962845
+
+
+Hitler saw Jews as an alien race that had no real homeland. Their religion was basically a cultural thing more than anything to unite them, but they lived among different nations pretending to blend in while their true loyalties were with their nation which was above the nation state. Jews would play these states against themselves for their own benefit. And Hitler was firm blood and soil German nationalist, this is why one of his first acts was to strip German Jews of their citizenship because they were NOT German.
+--- 21963011
+blessed thread
+--- 21963287
+>>21962672
+>is why he thought killing the Jews
+
+Holocaust is a fiction. Hitler was deporting jews, not killing. Educate yourself.
+Quick redpill on holocaust 
+https://archive.is/HvrLe
+https://archive.is/gwJgP
+https://archive.fo/6w8VU
+
+Also read: The Hoax of the Twentieth Century: The Case Against the Presumed Extermination of European Jewry
+--- 21963317
+>>21960607 (OP)
+death to all Anglo-Saxons
+--- 21963404
+>He is incessantly preparing himself for something, although he does not know for what, and—what is strange—he does not care about the what, as though perfectly sure that it will come of itself.
+
+The summary of 20-year-old Hitler. Don't be so ready to give it all up.
+--- 21963521
+>>21963404
+He either wanted to win triumphantly or die with Germany in a mass dramatic suicide. Romantic drama queens make for bad leaders of nation states. Even a bizarre weirdo like Himmler attempted to secure a peace deal with the British and Americans
+--- 21963530
+>>21962679
+>you're disingenuous.
+And you're low IQ
+--- 21963539
+>>21963404
+It took 200 years until Jesus' teachings became mainstream. It will take 200 years for Hitler's.
+--- 21963546
+>>21963404
+Regardless of your opinion of the man, what he did was pretty impressive. Went from being homeless, losing both his parents while young, and living in abject poverty into being the ruler of his country and the arguably the most famous person of the 20th century.
+--- 21963561
+>>21963546
+I get the point you are making, but I wouldn’t consider this something commendable. It’s like school shooters who make a name for themselves by committing a disgusting crime and murder. Infamy and fame are two separate things for a reasons.
+--- 21963593
+>>21963561
+Committing mere murder takes almost no effort. It’s entirely different from an unemployed homeless man becoming the supreme ruler of an industrialized, first world country.
+--- 21963626
+>>21960607 (OP)
+Why are not more nazis today like him?
+--- 21963648
+>>21963626
+Many potential national socialists are put off by the low-iq racists that claim to be nazis. Also, they are scared of liberals.
+--- 21963661
+>>21963648
+So much this. 
+Just look at /pol/'s self-proclaimed defenders of the white race who tell people to read pseudo-religious ramblings of madmen like Serrano, Yockey and Savitri Devi
+--- 21963687
+>>21963626
+>>21963648
+>>21963661
+>”And this has the following consequences: purely emotional antisemitism finds its final expression in the form of pogroms. Rational antisemitism, by contrast, must lead to a systematic and legal struggle against, and eradication of, the privileges the Jews enjoy over the other foreigners living among us (Alien Laws). Its final objective, however, must be the total removal of all Jews from our midst. Both objectives can only be achieved by a government of national strength and not one of national impotence.”
+- Hitler, 1919.
+https://multimedia.jp.dk/archive/00285/Gemlich_brevet_285325a.pdf
+--- 21963690
+>>21963687
+Yeah, removing them all and sending them to Israel. Solving the JQ forever.
+--- 21963718
+>>21961714
+>>21961737
+--- 21963931
+>>21961699
+>That book contains the secrets of the universe
+Like what? Show examples, and tell me who translated it.
+--- 21963983
+>>21963931
+>Like what?
+Like distilling the very essence and purpose of Nature itself and the purpose of human existence in relation to the overall ecosphere, particularly in chapter 11 of the first volume. He correctly asserts that "all great cultures of the past perished because the originally creative race died of blood poisoning." Chapter 11.
+
+I'm not giving you the translation, there are many of them. Do your own work
+--- 21964005
+>>21963983
+Why should I trust your post if you don't tell me the translation? It shouldn't be hard to do. Why act like this?
+--- 21964007
+>>21962672
+>he still thinks there was a Holocaust
+What makes grown men so guilible nowadays? How did society become so infantile? Did leaving God entirely destroy humanity?
+--- 21964036
+>>21964007
+Well what are your best arguments against the holocaust? Type it all out, with links.
+--- 21964047
+>>21960969
+>Rather than meet people with specialised knowledge, he would sit alone on his bench in the Schonbrunn Park, in the vicinity of the Gloriette, holding imaginary conversations with himself about the subject matters of his books.
+Literally fucking me whenever I am visiting my friend who lives in Vienna and have to entertain myself when he's at work. I may have pissed up of the same trees as Hitler in the Schönbrunn park, boggles the mind.
+--- 21964049
+>>21964005
+>It shouldn't be hard to do. Why act like this?
+James Murphy if you really must know. Just read the goddamn book
+--- 21964078
+>>21960607 (OP)
+>read many thousands of books in his lifetime
+Every time (not saying you in particular OP) but every time it's said that X historical figure read thousands of books I find that hard to believe. THOUSANDS of books cover to cover? As in like 3,000? Do you realize how many books that really is and the amount of time it would take to read them and properly absorb the information as you go and not just read words quickly off a page? Or are many of them ones they bought read a little thought and didn't like or skimmed?
+--- 21964098
+>>21964007
+>DA HOLOHAOX WOODEN DOORS!
+This is dumb dick retard shit. You’re probably brown.
+--- 21964116
+>>21964078
+keep in mind that back then distractions like tv and the internet weren't around. 
+my mom reads a hundred books a year WITH those distractions. I think it's more than believable that someone back then could ead upwards of 200 a year. by 25 it's not unlikely at all that hitler had read more than 2000 books if he had been a heavy reader for over a decade.
+--- 21964154
+>>21964078
+>Every time (not saying you in particular OP) but every time it's said that X historical figure read thousands of books I find that hard to believe. THOUSANDS of books cover to cover? As in like 3,000? Do you realize how many books that really is and the amount of time it would take to read them and properly absorb the information as you go and not just read words quickly off a page? Or are many of them ones they bought read a little thought and didn't like or skimmed?
+It's easily done if you read obsessively over years and decades, which is precisely what Hitler did
+--- 21964212
+>>21962087
+reading one work of Dostoyevsky isn't like reading every single one.... Hitler could have read a few 2-page essays of some guy, and Gobbels would be like, "Oh, Hitler reads that guy, he is an avid reader of that guy"
+--- 21964385
+>>21964212
+>Hitler could have read a few 2-page essays of some guy, and Gobbels would be like, "Oh, Hitler reads that guy, he is an avid reader of that guy"
+Goebbels would never lie like that. You're not in the least bit red pilled, are you?
+--- 21964433
+>>21960607 (OP)
+Wow hes staring at a book he must love reading. Neonazis are so credulous
+--- 21964448
+>>21964385
+I wouldn't trust a word from Gobbels or anyone from Hitler's circle. His friend I would say is an interesting look into who Hitler was before becoming a NatSoc; but Hitler's circle of goons are just a bunch Weimer degenerates. I would go as far to say that Hitler was corrupted by these degenerates.
+--- 21964533
+>>21961692
+The best writers have the decency not to add to the mountains of ignorance already committed to ink and paper. The ideal reader is the another abstemious writer-architect that doesn't get his hands dirty. 
+
+>>21961699
+Rudolf Hess was the most cosmopolitan and well traveled of the inner circle, and took dictation of MK in prison. It (and the sequel) are very likely to have his glosses for the purpose of publication for general audiences. To evaluate his composition and style, you'd have to parse out the speeches given to small gatherings of party members from the rest (e.g. >>21962845
+)
+
+>>21962672
+With the situation (Soviet & British spies in the Manhattan Project, UK election fortification of Wendel Wilkie in the Republican Primaries so FDR runs against a wet rag) a spoiling attack against the invasion of Western Europe by steppe barbarians was the only option, a Osowiec Fortress defenders situation. A consolidated Pan-Eurasian Superstate remains the danger to this day as regards rare earth metals and strategic weapons production (e.g. recent threats to nationalize Mexican lithium mining, or the newly 'discovered' deposits in the weeks after the Afghanistan pull out). Intransigent Western powers insisting on "unconditional surrender" couldn't be accounted for -- peace overtures were made, just as Kaiser Wilhem did to avert the mobilization cascade (obstructed by British Ambassador & the Foreign Office not relaying deescalation entreaties to France & Russia). It was a terrible situation that required more than two to tango against the greater evil lurking to the East.
+--- 21964538
+>>21960969
+You forgot the one quote about him never masturbating and hating lewd jokes.
+--- 21964545
+>>21964448
+dats rite. Let's trust Hitler's Jewish doctor instead!
+--- 21964548
+>>21964538
+what does that have to do with reading?
+--- 21964639
+>>21964545
+Don't misinterpret my words retard.
+--- 21965063
+>>21963687
+
+Fuck that's based. Tfw you come to the same conclusions as Hitler
+--- 21965203
+>>21963690
+They will still influence western nations even if they are all sent to Isreal.
+--- 21965224
+>>21960969
+He was a troubled young man alright.
+--- 21965248
+If you read Hitler's tabletalks, Mein Kampf and Speers "Inside the Third Reich". It becomes apparent that Hitler was a dilettante with only a rudimentary knowledge of history, political theory and philosophy. The only thing he really knew well was Wagner's Operas, which were the Marvel movies of the 19th century. He like Wagner so much that he supposedely read Schopenhauer and Nietzsche, but the people who had actually read them said Hitler had actually a very rudimentary understanding of them. Then there is his knowledge about central european history. In Mein Kampf and in his last testament he layes an immeasurable amount of ethnic insults against the French, Czechs, Poles and Russians calling them sub-human without any regard for their history or why WW1 happened. Ironically the only guys that come out alright in Hitlers world-view (besides the Germans and Austrians), are the colonising British, because they were Germanic and because they had enslaved and colonised in an enterprising way all the brown people. Hitler also read what was already extremely vogue in Germany at the time wild west cowboy stories, and that really summed his view of the world, good white civillizing cowboys against the bad barbaric Indians, and that informed his view over the eastern european Lebensraum that was to be captured in war.
+--- 21965252
+>>21965248
+>if you read 
+>Jewish lies 
+>you'll realize hitler was retarded and bad
+--- 21965267
+>>21965252
+
+Hitler's tabletalk were reccorded by Heinrich Heim, Henry Picker and Martin Bormann , the people closest to Hitler at all times.
+
+Mein Kampf was ghost written but it had Hitler's ideas and outline preserved. 
+
+Albert Speer was the German armament minister and Hitler's main architect. He briefed Hitler every day personaly, and was close to Hitler on a personal level. He was the most high profile insider that wrote about the matter of Third Reich's inner circle and politics after 1933.
+--- 21965275
+>>21965267
+Thanks chat gpt 
+
+Maybe speer had a great number of motivations for saying what he said
+--- 21965281
+>>21963404
+>>21963521
+
+WW2 was total drama theater kid death, and thats a good thing.
+--- 21965302
+>>21965275
+
+>"Hitler was that classic German type known as Besserwisser, the know-it-all. His mind was cluttered with minor information and misinformation, about everything. I believe that one of the reasons he gathered so many flunkies around him was that his instinct told him that first-rate people couldn't possibly stomach the outpourings" - Speer
+
+I don't know, it sounds accurate to me.
+--- 21965306
+>>21965302
+I dont think it does. Hitler was multi talented, significantly more than Speer was, and I would have to assume the latter was pretty smart.
+--- 21965312
+>>21965306
+You're talking to the Hitler tranny concern troll who haunts 4chan and tries to make people dislike Hitler for some strange reason
+--- 21965316
+>>21965312
+Disliking Hitler is pretty common 
+
+Are you sure they're not just a bot?
+--- 21965321
+>>21965306
+
+What were his talents exactly? He was a shitty painter, never had a formal higher education , never had an intellectual teacher besides Eckhart, never had a real job or position of responsibility before NDSAP. You could say that he was a good public speaker, but the things he was saying were just the ethnic grieviences and nationalism already in fashion at the time in the envrionment of a defeated Germany, he merely animated them and accentuated the national and ethnic hatreds of his time.
+--- 21965327
+>>21965306
+
+Stop worshipping losers, I like people who win, maybe start admiring an actually admirable historical personality, like Stalin, who won. Your guy "acked" in a bunker and his country commited collective suicide like it was Waco siege. Stalin won WW2 and then put the first man in space a few years later and got the atom bomb.
+--- 21965332
+>>21965321
+>what were his talents 
+I'm no Hitler expert at all but I'd say they were 
+>a shitty painter 
+He was quite a good painter. He was a very good artist however, designing the nazi flag and overall theme of the Reich. Although he outsourced things like uniform design and videos he clearly had a very keen eye for design. 
+>never had a formal higher education 
+What does this have to do with anything?
+>never had a teacher 
+So what? Again, irrelevant 
+>never had a real job 
+He was a decorated soldier in ww1 who saw extensive frontline action 
+>you could say he was a good public speaker 
+You could. And logical arguer, noticer of things, forceful rhetoritician, strong political strategist, myth-maker, writer, and overall powerful personality. That doesn't make him a good person but it's an enormous talent and skill, and Speer clearly wasn't anywhere near him there. 
+>other people could have done all that 
+They could not have and they did not. Only Hitler could have been Hitler 
+
+I don't know the truth about Hitler but whatever his flaws or mistakes he had a lot of different talents.
+--- 21965337
+>>21965327
+I dont know very much about Stalin either but I'm sure he also had many talents.
+--- 21965356
+>>21965332
+
+Serving in WW1 was not a job, and I anticipated you were going to say that so thats why I didn't mention it. Hitlers service in WW1 are arguably the most important formative years of his life, even more important than the beatings he recieved from his dad. However as brutal and haunting as those years were they were not a "job", Hitler like most servicemen saw the war as a big "adventure" and were very excited to go to the front. However after seeing the brutality and the massive loss of life , the average WW1 soldier became emotionaly hollow, dehumanized and little above an animal in order to survive. It is not an accident that Hitler took a near suicidal role as a front messenger. Also the people who served with him in the war never said that Hitler mentioned any anti-semitism or "race-theories" or any later nazi theories. Those came directly after the war and in contact with the NDSAP party that explained why Germany had lost WW1. So Hitler was not unique in any sense, he was a lost and broken man by WW1 that desperately searched for national meaning after defeat in a world war where millions had died for virtualy nothing.
+--- 21965358
+>>21965356
+>Hitler wasn't a successful wage cuck or business owner or something 
+Neither were most very talented artists.
+--- 21965359
+>>21965358
+
+Well Hitlers only "artistic" masterpeice was WW2 and the Holocaust, which I have to say are very impressive on a world historical scale, I will give you that.
+--- 21965372
+>>21965359
+I dont believe the holocaust happened and ww2 wasn't Hitlers fault. Pretty much all of the post-hoc blame that's lumped on Hitler and Germany is mythology invented by the victors
+--- 21965495
+>>21964385
+He wouldn't? But I think he would. A man who read so much wouldn't have invaded Russia in winter, just like Napoleon. He would've listened yo his generals to push for south and get the oil reserves....
+--- 21965500
+>>21960607 (OP)
+
+This is a board for literature. Stop pushing Hitler shit constantly. Go back to Pol.

lit/21960622.txt

@@ -36,3 +36,35 @@ Experienced this on shrooms with regard to Hegel and Kant. Was reading the PTAFM
 read Kripke and escape Kant’s ignorance
 --- 21961902
 Bumpidy doo!
+--- 21962037
+>>21960622 (OP)
+Metaphysics is a sport in lingual gymnastics, where words are put together in sentences that refer to the world in such novel, pedantic way that their everyday meaning is pushed to the very limit of legibility, so when different people read these sentences they get different interpretations. This results in the inevitability that if people tried discussing or debating the ideas of these sentences, there is a friction in communication since neither are on the same page, which demand further reflection on each of their parts, which ends up in new innovative ways of interpreting the object of study of that original metaphysics text, repeating the cycle. Metaphysics is an exercise in language, and like how weightlifting creates new muscle, metaphysics creates new vocabulary.
+--- 21962396
+>>21961749
+Kripke's philosophy and modern metaphysics in general is ultimately a self absorbed circlejerk where a bunch of smart people waste their life discussing things in "possible worlds". A code monkey that works a FAANG job is more valuable to society.
+--- 21963843
+Bump
+--- 21963854
+>>21962037
+>Metaphysics is an exercise in language, and like how weightlifting creates new muscle, metaphysics creates new vocabulary.
+This is cope for people that can't or won't develop intellectual intuition.
+--- 21963910
+>>21962037
+Is this metaphysics?
+--- 21964402
+Bump
+--- 21964415
+>>21962037
+>Metaphysics is an exercise in language, and like how weightlifting creates new muscle, metaphysics creates new vocabulary.
+
+No. Metaphysics presents new objects which demand a new vocabulary to express. Those who say metaphysics is empty talk do so because they lack the organ with which to give those words meaning.
+--- 21964766
+>>21960667
+Fentanyl.
+--- 21964804
+>>21961293
+>was in some random park I didn't know with friends
+Retard move. Also "friends" are traitors waiting for the right opportunity to use the information and trust given in confidence to them against you at first sight of imminent physical, psychological, or financial harm. You do shrooms at home alone with your mind free of all distress.
+--- 21965006
+>>21962396
+That is only specific to language philosophers, but possible worlds do not lack in truth content at all. Kripke’s thesis invites a revival of rigorous, Scholastic-style metaphysics borrowing from the tools of the analytics, while the continentals contribute fucking nothing but irrationalism and obscurantism. They might as well commit to mysticism.

lit/21960842.txt

@@ -34,3 +34,28 @@ No he doesn't
 >>21960842 (OP)
 John Lennon was a hypocrite and a wife beater but the obsessed fan that killed him didn't do it for that reason. Also the attempted Ronald Reagan assassination had no connection to The Catcher in the Rye either.
 This is all just you misinterpreting the book to be mainly about hypocrisy when it really is about the fact that children should be protected from the bullshit of the world before they are mature enough to deal with it and the author's PTSD.
+--- 21962284
+>>21961663
+me too, on pluto.tv
+--- 21963529
+>>21960842 (OP)
+
+It's easy to conflate Lennon's assassination and Reagan's assassination attempt (happened right next to each other, each was perpetrated by a "classically" crazy lone white gunman), but the two cases (and their two crazy, even boyish motivations) are distinct. 
+
+Lennon: Mark David Chapman, inspired by Catcher in the Rye
+Reagan: John Hinckley, in an effort to impress Jodie Foster
+
+Notice how neither motivation is pure nihilism, the way today's mass shooters are. Again, they're boyish, as weirdly optimistic as they are straight-up nuts. These motivations might not satisfy the clinical standards of schizophrenia, but their oddity fits what comes to mind in the popular imagination when the mental illness is invoked.
+
+I seem to have been the only person in the world to have recognized the significance of the timing of Hinckley's summer 2016 release, relative to another, closely related event: the death of Nancy Reagan, a few months earlier, and in the spring of that year. I believe that it was well understood by TPTB that as long as Nancy is alive, he doesn't get out, but once she died, it was quietly decided that really, he's okay to let out. One is tempted to invoke the line from Godfather 2, in another, reversed context: "Nothing happens to him while my mother's alive."
+
+It was a mistaken decision. Really, simply from the state's point of view, any attempted assassin of a head of state should be automatically locked up for life, simply on general principles, and regardless of any mental illness defense. Sure enough, Hinckley is trading on his own notoreity to pursue a little music career, which he unironically shouldn't be allowed to do.
+--- 21963555
+>>21961653
+>>21961711
+Salinger was a rapist. His novels are filled with his confessions.
+--- 21963942
+>>21960842 (OP)
+>The more you think about it, the more you realize how much sense it makes as to why and how it was motivation to kill John Lennon and almost kill Ronald Reagan.
+That was part of the psyop. The surface level meaning of the novel deals with an angsty teenager's dissatisfaction with society. The deep meaning is sex, it's really a nasty book about sex and trauma and rape. But the deepest meaning of the novel is a coded initiation into Freemasonry.
+ It's not the contents of the book which were a catalyst for the assassination attempt. The assassin used the book as a symbol to signal to other Freemasons that he was one, without saying it.

lit/21961005.txt

@@ -7,3 +7,45 @@ Is mayonnaise an instrument?
 --- 21961061
 >>21961005 (OP)
 Nuclear weapons are the only insurance policy against infinite global nigger communism. That's why (((Oppenheimer))) was so upset about them.
+--- 21962708
+>>21961026
+Haha silly
+--- 21962848
+>>21961005 (OP)
+Nigger didn't even understand the meaning of the passage he quoted.
+Vishnu isn't showing his true form to show how destructive he is; that's not the terrifying part. The terrifying part is how all-encompasing he is. "I am become death" is translated in another version as 
+>thou seest Me as Time who kills
+>Time who brings all to doom
+>the Slayer Time
+>ancient of days
+>come hither to consume
+Meaning that he is responsible for destroying things so that they can be reborn again. He is in charge of all that exists. Not that he's some scary destructive force.
+--- 21963012
+>>21961005 (OP)
+>A few people laughed
+That'd probably be me
+>I suppose we all thought that one way or another. 
+Unironically what did he mean by this? That they all felt they were Vishnu embodying death itself? Or that they felt Vishnu was telling them to do their duty? Weird shit either way.
+--- 21963124
+>>21961005 (OP)
+--- 21963547
+>>21963012
+I think it was because they saw a giant enormous fucking explosion and knew they were responsible for it
+--- 21963560
+>>21963012
+Feynman probably laughed, he said when they heard the bomb dropped everybody partied and he played the bongos.
+--- 21963642
+>>21963012
+That they were animated by demons.
+--- 21964192
+>>21961005 (OP)
+>“Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.”
+Retard here, did Oppenheimer mean to say "I have become death" or is that actually what the Bhagavad-Gita says?
+--- 21964228
+>>21964192
+It’s an archaic style poetic translation, you can find this “I am [infinitive verb]” format in Shakespeare’s plays/other Elizabethan English, and in your King James.
+
+I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. John 12.46
+--- 21964352
+>>21961005 (OP)
+I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says "Just as a man casting off old clothes puts on other new ones, so the embodied one, abandoning worn-out bodies takes on others that are new." I suppose we all thought that one way or another.

lit/21961108.txt

@@ -194,3 +194,637 @@ You had a stroke, anon. Probably should get to the hospital asap.
 --- 21961960
 >>21961943
 it wasn't a stroke
+--- 21962075
+>>21961819
+A master is not born.
+He is made.
+--- 21962268
+>>21961579
+I'm not writing, I'm editing.
+
+Last night I finally conceptualized what was missing from my manuscript so I have to go in and try to weave the new emotional thread.
+--- 21962328
+>>21961606
+I have the story done, but I don't want to dump it all out
+--- 21962358
+>>21961632
+Why not Reedsy? I haven't used it but I know it's popular.
+--- 21962364
+>>21961755
+>something that can make a reader feel the exact emotions at the exact time
+I think this is the issue; too many people try to "make" the readers feel or see exactly what they want in their mind's eye and it hurts them. 
+Claiming that truly great writing is from genetics only sounds like cope, though.
+--- 21962437
+i think my manuscript is nearly ready that i could start looking in earnest at getting it published (if i wanted to)
+
+but i dont have a name for it
+do i need a title before i send it to agents/publishers, or could that come later?
+--- 21962443
+>>21962437
+Why not spend 5 minutes to develop a decent tentative name for the manuscript you spent 200 hours writing and revising. You can even say when you submit the title is tentative.
+--- 21962574
+question. can I serialize on rr and then take the story down once it's finished and put it on amazon? or do I need to stick to one platform
+--- 21962693
+>>21962574
+You only need to take it down from RR if you put it on Amazon KU. Amazon have a legal thing you can't have it available for free elsewhere. But if you instead just sell it on Amazon you can leave it on RR too.
+--- 21962801
+>>21961881
+I went to /x/ in 2007 when it had sovl. In my opinion, smiledog killed the board. I wish there were more people there that actually believed in the paranormal and just liked the aesthetic. I need to jump into it more again, I'm glad Spencer is already writing some out there stuff. Goddamn I am old, my back hurts.
+--- 21962825
+>>21962801
+> I wish there were more people there that actually believed in the paranormal 
+You wish there were more idiots?
+--- 21962872
+>>21961960
+Only someone with a stroke would say that.
+--- 21962880
+>>21962825
+It is one of my favorite character archetypes.
+--- 21963015
+i'm doing it guys. i'm writing genre. i'm writing the books you buy at the train terminal to kill time and spill coffee on. i'm a real author now
+--- 21963050
+>>21961822
+it happened to me once but it was different
+--- 21963055
+If I'm writing a romance novel, is it bad that I have at least 4 or 5 female characters point out how handsome the main guy is?
+--- 21963070
+>>21963055
+No. But be sure to add that the man will only have eyes for the plainest and ugliest girl for her personality or other non superficial trait.
+--- 21963072
+>>21962825
+The real idiot is the guy who looks at the world as it is and thinks, "yeah, makes sense!"
+--- 21963091
+>>21961588
+RR is a cesspit of entitled assholes as >>21959466 → pointed out. Unless you write catering crap it's just not worth your time. I know your complaining about no reviews right now but seeing as you have not had the foresight to get beta readers to give you chapter 1, 5 star reviews or payed for a bot army I think I might quite enjoy your reaction when you actually do start getting reviews on there.
+--- 21963112
+>>21963091
+I thought RR would be my beta readers. J didn't think it'll be that political
+--- 21963148
+>>21963072
+I understand your point, and I had such questions when I was younger, that's why I'm currently doing a physics PhD and can now make sense of the world better than most people.
+--- 21963178
+>>21963148
+What questions has that research answered for you? Has it influenced your writing?
+--- 21963211
+>>21963178
+when he drops things he knows they're going to fall. I know you, as a layman, think you know that things will fall when you drop them, but he spent several years at uni really studying it, and now he has no doubt. so get you /x/ tier garbage out of here, stuff falls wen you drop it and that's that
+--- 21963221
+>>21963178
+> What questions has that research answered for you?
+That the supernatural is all bullshit but there is enough wonder in nature and the universe to make understanding it amazing.
+
+> Has it influenced your writing?
+I'm currently writing a fantasy book with "realistic" magic. The trick is to somehow still make it enjoyable and fun.
+--- 21963226
+Who is making all these FG threads in the catalog?
+--- 21963232
+>>21963226
+the initials of the person doing it are FG. could be anybody
+--- 21963240
+>>21963112
+Think of it like you running a market stall and your there giving away your time and stuff for free. Only the organizer of the market is making an entry fee(ad revenue) of your stuff (content/story). Now if the stuff your giving away isn't to the market goes (readers) taste they can just move on no harm no foul, so what if you didn't bring fake glowing testimonials (reviews) right? 
+
+WRONG!
+
+The market goers (readers) will not only often not have the decency to let you know what they thought in legible english. When they do let you know they do not even have to put actual words to that shit, oh and they get to be completely anonymous while everyone gets to see an over simplification of what they "thought" of the stuff they just got for FREE.
+
+But wait it gets better!
+
+Because of the way the scoring system works you need ten five star reviews to offset one 0.5 star review. So while also showing up to the market (RR) and wasting your time and effort giving away something for free you have to try and convince the rest of the passerby's your not a complete and utter failure by tricking them into giving your work a unrealistic rating.
+
+tl;dr?
+
+You should have become an uber driver and actually got paid to be abused.
+--- 21963262
+>>21963240
+then why doesn't everyone just publish their books on their blogs like andy weir and solicit feedback there? little known fact but andy weir's short stories were being shared on /x/ as creepypasta before the martian even went viral. word of mouth can be powerful
+--- 21963266
+>>21963226
+F.G in the coffee... that's it!
+--- 21963286
+>>21963262
+because sites like rr and scribblehub and wherever have traffic and your blog that you just started doesn't. in either case the people that discover your work will provide word of mouth.
+does that mean you shouldn't start your blog and publish exclusively there? no. but how much money can you monetize from your blog vs posting it on several sites while including a patreon link on each of those sites.
+--- 21963289
+>>21963266
+Is F.H. Coffee god for you
+--- 21963305
+>>21963289
+I don't know what you mean. I was referencing the game Deadly Premonition.
+>>21963291
+Is it though? Because it seems to me like his parents are subsidizing his writing career just judging.
+--- 21963322
+>>21963262
+Word of mouth can be powerful but you need to actually start somewhere, and there are far more people looking for new stuff in RR and other sites than there are people who are crawling through blogs looking for new stuff.
+--- 21963419
+>>21963240
+>>21961226
+There are roughly 54,220 stories on Royal Road. Less then one hundred authors are consistently as successful as FortySixtyFour (AnimeCon Harem, RE:Trailer Trash) >>21958800 → and generate more than 4.5k usd a month or 54k usd a year.
+
+That is roughly a 0.001847745750185% chance of 'making it' from within RR. And that is with all the work, catering and sacrifices the guy and others like him have put in.
+
+It's not that the average /wg/ poster will never 'make it' on the site. It's just ex-fucking-tremely unlikely it will actually occur.
+--- 21963451
+>>21963419
+It's 0.185% but your point still stands. That's worse odds than traditional publishing.
+--- 21963533
+>>21963451
+>That's worse odds than traditional publishing
+I don't think so. The odds of getting trad published are low, in the first place, and then the majority of trad published authors never exceed their advance.
+--- 21963607
+>>21963419
+
+For your consideration, as a new author on RR, my story is already nearing top 10k on site, and I'm a measly 25 chapters in so far. I don't think the bottom 30k stories are worth considering really? Like if I'm this high up already.
+--- 21963632
+Are we going to make it, bros?
+--- 21963660
+>>21963632
+Nope.
+--- 21963669
+>>21963607
+I've been at this for about 10 months give or take, and I've been hovering just under 6k for over a month now. I was actually 12k by the time I first looked at the dashboard feature, so I didn't realize there even was over 50k stories on the site.
+>>21963632
+Unfortunately, yes.
+--- 21963670
+>>21963565
+i will never become a celebrity beyond my pseudonym as my irl job is somewhat important. my employers would not appreciate what i write. i do it just to do it and maybe piss a few crabs off
+--- 21963811
+Are there any other forums people use to discuss writing?
+
+Reddit, RR, etc… are dog shit. They’re either in love with the idea of being a writer or autistically delving into world building.
+--- 21963826
+>>21963811
+>discuss writing
+online, only posers and psueds and faggots
+irl, english classes (aka posuers and pseuds and faggots and students)
+now asking for feedback or discussing a particular piece of writing, they usually ask their irl family and friends
+--- 21963987
+>>21963632
+I already made it in other things in my life. I'm going to make it in writing too. And if you stick with it, you will as well.
+--- 21963995
+r8 please. Greentext denotes italics
+
+The air in the thirty-first floor of Elliot’s neighborhood clogged the lungs with boiling grease. If he opened his mouth, he could taste the deep fryers belching out their fumes from the cloistered kitchens around him. He sat in the stench of industrial cooking precisely because it kept him from opening his mouth. He was able to sit and stare at the pack of cigarettes in his hands while resisting the urge to rip the plastic off and stuff one in his mouth. He figured it would taste horrible. The air itself would provide all the grease and grime that bioengineering had taken from the Nico-Pure cigarettes his brother had preferred.
+
+>Five years? No, that was last year. Going on six now. Where the hell are you now?
+
+His phone was piling up with reports and incidents he was ignoring just like the rest of the department. Then the ringer grabbed his attention. Slipping the pack of cigarettes into his pocket, he checked what his boss wanted. One of the day’s reports had been flagged and Cinder messaged, “Make this your inaugural investigation. Sensitive interests.”
+--- 21964021
+>>21963995
+the kitchens being located on the 31st floor seems strange.
+calling it an inaugural investigation seems wrong. his phone is piling up with reports and incidents so he didn't just get the job, so it can't be inaugural. or did he just get the job and you need to remove the line about his phone filling up with shit.
+cloistered kitchen also doesn't sound right, because then the smell of the grease wouldn't be as obvious
+--- 21964030
+>>21961332
+the setting of this is the most important and interesting part of this. i dont have concern for the girls conflict with her parents or what shes capable of. i wanna see her get involved in something out of her control like a life or death (or even some sort of dystopian confinement) scenario. like invisible man or one flew over the cuckoos nest or great gatsby, the main character is mostly just a vessel of viewing the world and characters within. having the mc be a superhero seems lame, which might be why youre no longer interested. thats my opinion on where you could take it.
+--- 21964038
+>>21964021
+>the kitchens being located on the 31st floor seems strange.
+It's a mega city.
+--- 21964045
+>>21964038
+okay, in that case calling the kitchens cloistered seems like the wrong adjective and unless he just got the job it's not his inaugural investigation
+--- 21964050
+>>21964045
+If I can think of a better adjective, I'll change it, but he did just get the 'promotion'. You don't need a detective to show up to a bar fight, but if they're the one at hand they can still do the arrest.
+--- 21964057
+How do I effectively make money out of my writings? I write tons of degenerate erotica, and apparently people are more than willing to pay for my shit.
+--- 21964063
+>>21964050
+I still don't like the phrase inaugural investigation. Just doesn't seem like cop dialogue, or maybe it's the way he says Make this, because it sounds like less of an order somehow. or he should make a comment on the promotion, but obviously this is a small excerpt so it just sounds strange by itself.
+"Congrats on getting off the beat. Here's your first real assignment. Sensitive interests."
+--- 21964067
+Finished the outline for the second draft. The first one was so shit I wanted to rip my eyes out. But it was necessary so I could just spill the concepts into paper, I guess. This new draft is looking more promising. I'm excited, bros!
+--- 21964072
+>>21964057
+Degenerate stuff actually sells much worse, depending on what you mean by degenerate. If noncon, incest, stuff like that, then it can't be on Amazon or Patreon or any big site, really. Only Smashwords.
+
+Like usual, more info needed.
+--- 21964074
+>>21963632
+Like the other anon said, if you stick with it you will yes!
+--- 21964076
+>>21964067
+>outline for a second draft
+how does this work, exactly? isn't that called the first draft
+--- 21964077
+>>21964057
+Go look at reddit and be prepared to play the algorithm game
+>>21963826
+Whenever I ask irl friends and family for feedback they tell me they like it but they can't articulate their thoughts beyond that. Probably not a good sign
+--- 21964082
+>>21964076
+I've finished the first draft and there were a bunch of problems. Mostly structural and in characters' drives. So I had to outline it again to fiz those things.
+--- 21964084
+>>21964077
+A lot of people aren't very articulate at all when it comes to critique or even explaining what they think about fiction. They just feel it and then stop thinking about it unless it really moves them personally. Not every story can hit that hard.
+--- 21964085
+>>21964077
+I suppose you get what you pay for is a truism for a reason. better than them saying it's shit, it's totally awful, I can't even pinpoint why it just sucks, take this trash and throw it in the fireplace, and throw yourself in there too, while you're at it
+--- 21964094
+>>21964082
+Probably one of the biggest failures I had in my first draft is my protagonist didn't react in the mature way that I wanted him to. I also had to alter a lot of his dialogue to make him more laconic. Like you said it's important to get the ideas on the page first even if they're wrong. Later it becomes apparent which things need to change.
+--- 21964100
+>>21964077
+Does reddit really have a meaningful erotica scene for PAID content? I know there's a bunch of free writing, but this is the first I'm hearing of it being a real career platform.
+--- 21964102
+>>21963995
+There's something about it that feels indirect and convoluted. I was halfway a pedantic line-by-line critique but it felt too mean and snarky. In brief, I think you're trying to hard for this vivid, snappy, crime-fiction style that actually takes a lot of skill to pull off. Don't start with the artificial conceit of the boiling grease, and the enigmatic cigarettes. Keep it simple and direct and plot-focused and you'll build a sense of style as you go.
+--- 21964106
+>>21963451
+>It's 0.185% 
+Yeah sorry. My brain no good so work in mornings. But unfortunately >>21963533 is right, trad pub is worse and now even more so for the straight man. Best you can hope for is to churn out some controversial literature that supports a more well known conspiracy theory to secure a small but consistent right wing following.
+
+>>21963607
+Unless you start suckin some other authors dicks with review swaps or RR's with some ad buys your going to only move up a few thousand in a year anon.
+--- 21964120
+>>21964106
+>Unless you start suckin some other authors dicks with review swaps or RR's with some ad buys your going to only move up a few thousand in a year anon.
+Not true. Just write better
+>t. #767
+
+Well, you SHOULD engage with other stories on the site, but I wouldn't call that sucking dick unless you're blatantly lying in your reviews and comments.
+
+>>21964102
+It's indirect because it's opening with Elliot reminsicing, not with the crime. Post your line-by-line if you didn't delete it.
+--- 21964121
+>>21964072
+I guess I exaggerate a bit. I'm big on raceplay; not necessarily white/black since that's the most basic overdone Burgerland pairing. Purchasing wives is about as dicey as my stories get.
+--- 21964126
+>>21964084
+>>21964085
+Both good points. I feel like I only improved at expressing my thoughts on media and art once I started writing in-depth reviews. It's much easier to say why you hate something/it's bad than why you like it, imo.
+>>21964100
+There's a community on reddit that discusses all the tips and tricks for getting paid for your erotica. But like >>21964072 says, Kindle is strict and can pull your book and/or permaban you even for writing consensual BDSM scenes. You can still find that kind of story, but they're at risk for catching th banhammer at every moment, apparently.
+--- 21964157
+>>21964126
+I wasn't planning on publishing Kindle, but is there any kind of official "you will get banned" list of things you can't write for most places? Because I might want to toe the line.
+There's a scene in something I'm working on where a girl convinces a guy to choke her on a regular basis, and eventually worse that isn't presented explicitly. I recall an anon this week mentioning that choking in erotica is banned on some platforms. What I'm writing isn't erotica but there are really strange moments where it's not clear if one character tells the reader she is into the dominance or if he's simply hurting her because he wants to.
+--- 21964164
+>>21964120
+>Not true. Just write better
+>W-Well, you SHOULD engage with other stories on the site.
+It's ok to be gay anon.
+--- 21964167
+>>21964157
+>toe the line
+Hell, that's the wrong expression. I mean I'd like to transgress the standards.
+--- 21964199
+>>21964120
+>The air in the thirty-first floor of Elliot’s neighborhood clogged the lungs with boiling grease.
+(1) Neighborhoods don't have floors; buildings do. Any reader is going to be jarred. Some might make the inference that this is potentially set in a world with neighborhood-sized buildings, but even then it's awkward that no explanation immediately follows, and they cannot be sure that the writer doesn't simply misunderstand what a neighborhood is.
+(2) Having your lungs clogged with boiling grease would be an unimaginably horrific torture. You read the image, then you work your way back to the fact ('the air was foul and smoky'), and the the distance between image and fact makes the image seem comedic hyperbole.
+
+>If he opened his mouth, he could taste the deep fryers belching out their fumes from the cloistered kitchens around him.
+This brings to mind the image of a man very tightly and intently keeping his lips sealed. That's the only detail we have about him so far. Not effective.
+
+>He sat in the stench of industrial cooking precisely because it kept him from opening his mouth.
+Where is he sitting? Is he just loitering in a corridor? Who is this man? Why is roaming around searching for the right atmospheric conditions to sit in? I have zero concrete image for who he is or what he's doing, other than his firmly closed mouth.
+
+>He was able to sit and stare at the pack of cigarettes in his hands while resisting the urge to rip the plastic off and stuff one in his mouth.
+Assessing subjective motivations is, of course, highly subjective; but I think it's extremely farfetched that someone would deliberately sit in a zone of smoke of stenches just to prevent themselves opening their mouth long enough to insert a cigarette.
+
+>He figured it would taste horrible.
+There's something apologetically redundant about this sentence, as if it were saying 'In case I haven't made it sufficiently clear by now, he sits here because it would make smoking too unpleasant.'
+
+>The air itself would provide all the grease and grime that bioengineering had taken from the Nico-Pure cigarettes his brother had preferred.
+There's too many ideas in this sentence, without any immediately obvious connection to each other or to the preceding material. The air now has an additional function, that of providing grease and grime, which this man apparently wants (otherwise why mention it?). He doesn't want to smoke the cigarettes here because they would taste bad, but apparently he does want to inhale the grease and grime. A confusing connection between ideas. Then there's the brother, and it takes some piecing together (for zero reason other than Mystical Literary Vagueness) to realise the cigarettes are the brother's, and that the man wasn't trying to quit smoking, but instead wanted to travel to a commercial kitchen complex in order to sit and look at a packet of his brother's cigarettes. Why does he reminisce in such a strange way, this tight-lipped, grime-breathing man?
+--- 21964226
+>>21964120
+>it's opening with Elliot reminsicing, not with the crime
+the opening of this particular except. this isn't the opening of the entire story, right?
+--- 21964232
+>>21964199
+I don't know why you held back on posting this, it's not particularly mean at all, and makes good points.
+
+>Elliot sat at the edge of his home tower, knees almost pressed to the railing beneath the exhaust of too many restaurants to count. The cubby was quiet, but the air was clogged with boiling grease. If he opened his mouth, he could taste the deep fryers belching out their fumes from the cramped kitchens around him.[...]
+
+>>21964226
+It's chapter 2, after a chapter introducing the antagonist and setting up the incident.
+--- 21964249
+>>21964157
+I'm pretty sure I was the anon talking with you about it last thread (or two threads ago, can't remember now). From what I hear, smashwords is pretty much "anything goes" except for bestiality, pedoshit and rape maybe (though you can publish rape if it makes up a small percentage of your catalog). They're very generous with their standards for erotica and I'm planning to publish at least one choking story there lol. 
+I haven't seen a list like the one you mention yet, and I've spent a good number of hours researching about publishing. I just know that kindle is both strict and unclear with what they do/don't allow (though if you are writing anything outside erotica or romance, you can write about killing and choking all you like). Ao3 has no forbidden content whatsoever, but I know you mentioned you want to get paid.
+--- 21964250
+>>21964232
+oh, so it is the introduction to this character, who is the protagonist, I'm assuming. describe him first doing something, not the scenery. and this is just me, but I particularly dislike authorial dictation of internal motivations. the offending line is:
+>He sat in the stench of industrial cooking precisely because it kept him from opening his mouth.
+note this example is completely different from the author letting the reader know what the character is thinking at this particular moment.
+also,
+>If he opened his mouth, he could taste the deep fryers...
+avoid the authorial hypothetical. say,
+>Whenever he inadvertently opened his mouth, he could taste the deep fryers
+But I would describe him fiddling with his phone first before setting the scene
+--- 21964253
+>>21964249
+I'm a retard; you said what you're writing isn't erotica lol. I think you should be fine for the most part; worst that could happen is you get told off and find somewhere else to publish. Good luck anon
+--- 21964257
+>>21961213
+Based
+--- 21964268
+i want to post some excerpts here but it's still kind of a clusterfuck right now. however i can tell that my story is not the kind that will find success on rr. it doesn't pander to the readers at all, in fact i think it will make them uncomfortable and disturbed most times. the successful writers on rr seem to pander to their readers in egregious ways, as if to tell their readers, i ascribe to your ideology, pay me and i'll regurgitate it to you in a format slightly higher brow than porn. imo the whole culture on rr is an insult to everyone involved. and if you feel stuck on there writing something you don't enjoy then stop wasting your time and create what you do enjoy
+--- 21964273
+>>21964250
+You might not like the style, but the hyrid of perspective dictation as well as explicit internal monologue lets me make a stylistic difference between the protag's chapters and the criminal's chapters, because the criminal gets the prose explanations but not the thoughts.
+
+You might not think it's ideal but it's the choice I made for the book.
+--- 21964279
+>>21964273
+fair enough if that's how you chose to do it, I do like that each character is stylistically distinct. I'd still open the chapter focusing on the character and not his immediate surroundings, which you can describe a couple paragraphs in.
+--- 21964290
+>>21964268
+You should post it anyway, anon. Good fiction comforts the disturbed and disturbs the comfortable or something like that
+--- 21964302
+>>21964253
+Thanks for your input. I think there are some more subtly offensive things in that story but I believe I can get away with it because it's not outright transgressive fiction. But I do like to write for both the disillusioned and hopeful people out there, I think there is some common ground where I can tell a story without preaching to the choir.
+--- 21964526
+I was heavily medicated earlier and started typing up a giant, embarrassing post ranting about the book I am currently writing, and only stopped because I passed out with my phone in my hand. I thank God for taking consciousness away from me.
+--- 21964529
+>>21964526
+why were you ranting? what's frustrating you?
+--- 21964532
+>read old book
+>Realize it's not that good
+>Already published
+Oh well
+--- 21964542
+>>21964529
+I've just been floundering on a section I've been writing for two weeks, or perhaps more at this point. I keep looking at it and fills me with disgust, and while I've contemplated rewriting it, I can't come up with anything better. Worse, I have built it up to this big climax and now that I've gotten to this point, it feels like dogshit. I can't execute on what I've gotten to. I hate it and just want to be done with this section so I can focus on what comes after.
+--- 21964551
+>>21964542
+maybe your build-up isn't satisfying enough for your payoff. in any case that's something that you resolve in editing. your job with the first draft is just to get something down that you chisel away at, or reorganize, or reuse. you might find that you can only reconsider things once the whole is finished and you see how the parts fit together. hope that helps
+--- 21964577
+>>21964551
+I don't know, I feel most writers when they use this approach can "feel" their way through the chapter. They'll have notes set up ahead of time for plotting where they want to go, and can end up in a situation where they're able to see what they were going for upon reflection and better it. That there is a solid foundation, some good clay, they can work with. That's how I look at my first drafts, anyway. I'm typically fairly happy with the outcome because I know implemented various writing elements well enough, and have some pivotal scenes, and it reads coherently. This is just shit, and that's why I've been so morose, as none of it feels like there is a decent baseline.
+--- 21964602
+>>21964577
+if worse comes to worst just be a hack and foreshadow a solution two hundred pages beforehand and add some supporting motifs and the readers will accept it
+--- 21964636
+Weird little problem I'm running into. I feel like I'm doing a definitive play-by-play of every one of my character's little behavioral traits. Their ticks, their nervous jerks, how they gesture, etc
+How do I cut these out without being left with nothing?
+--- 21964644
+>>21964636
+don't include them if they're distracting or just describe them without drawing attention to them and eventually the reader will recognize a pattern
+--- 21964659
+>>21961330
+I enjoy it *and* I want to become the next big-selling author.
+Certainly better than soul-sucking day-jobbery.
+Gotta try to live my dreams!
+>>21963015
+Hope your sales are beyond your expectations!
+--- 21964670
+>>21963148
+>physics PhD
+Oh yeah?
+What's your take on quantum theory?
+Or your explanation for the double-slit experiment?
+Quantum physics is discovering, from a Western perspective, the sorts of things that Eastern mystics have been talking about for thousands of years.
+Can you handle that, or do you just cover your ears and shout "LA LA LA LA LA"?
+In my experience, a "rational scientist" is someone that hasn't lived life.
+--- 21964684
+>>21964670
+not that anon but these questions are not phrased very intelligently. asking "what about quantum theory" is like asking what do you think about the alphabet or trees. i don't know, what do you think about chemistry or any high school science education in the past 100 years? why do you have to resort to insults to bring down someone who you don't even know?
+>>21964679
+same goes for you too. utterly embarrassing
+--- 21964689
+>It ate him up inside, knowing what he knew but also knowing there was no good explanation for it. ‘Walking without walking,’ that was both the technique and the secret of the technique. One could not step lively into some faraway place without knowing the way, and one could not be taught unless the tutor knew the way behind the way. In that respect, ‘walking without walking’ was the answer and the question—all in one. 
+>Anyone could understand this, given time. There was no de jure name for the technique, not even a nickname. Adherents knew it only by the way they did it. People who would never and could never do it called it ‘astral projection.’ That careless term, like a spinning kaleidoscope, served only to warp the truth of the thing. And so countless others found the journey that much harder, they found the path impeded by jargon and encyclopedic burdens. It was unfair, and despicable, but it is true that many journeys are sabotaged before they can even begin. 
+>‘Astral projection.’ Just like that, another chick was stuffed back into the egg. Return to utero and die—
+--- 21964715
+>>21964670
+My take is that anyone that equates quantum theory with mysticism understands neither.
+--- 21964731
+>>21964679
+>anon puts more effort into a disgusting shitpost than the passage he's complaining about
+Impressive, in a way
+--- 21964742
+>>21963995
+i used to be a fry cook so i understand well the smell that you are describing. i'm going to rewrite your passage in my style and see if you can spot any differences.
+
+elliot did not exist, either to his employment or the world around him. high-rise apartments have a way of subsuming you, especially since the windows didn't open fully, additionally because he was a smoker, and finally, once he did crack the pane to surreptitiously puff on a cig, the street's unholiness blew furiously into the apartment and forced the pane shut. of course, the street smell was the only thing that bothered him; he'd long stopped smelling the nicotine and side-eyed anyone who complained. it would explain why he'd been persona non grata in the department lately.
+another text. new case. elliot did but almost didn't care. he didn't exist. at least until his brother did.
+elliot sat on the pane of the world and took a deep fucking drag. but this time he did not crack the window.
+--- 21964745
+>>21964727
+>Trembling, he said it
+>Smirking, I read it
+--- 21964755
+>>21964750
+stop lying, i read your book and it was horrible
+--- 21964769
+>>21964742
+nayrt but goes to show mere experience isn't everything 
+>high-rise apartments have a way of subsuming you, especially since the windows didn't open fully, additionally because he was a smoker, and finally, once he did crack the pane to surreptitiously puff on a cig, the street's unholiness blew furiously
+Everything about this is a no. Also, 
+>Elliot did but almost didn’t care. 
+Ugh. Is this YA? Usually I'm nice with my feedback but the vitriol is flowing in this thread so might as well add to it.
+op's passage wasn't as bad as everyone is making it out to be. Op, work on writing for clarity first and then build upon the senses.
+--- 21964772
+>>21964715
+I beg to differ. Picrel explains it better than I ever could.
+--- 21964778
+>>21964762
+>>21964765
+your book is horrible and you deserve the hate for being so deluded. your presence here is a negative karmic mark on the universe. instead of improving your craft, you shopped around a self-referential pile of excrement and jizzed onto it for several years in the hopes that someone would take pity on you and buy it. you are worse than everyone here.
+>>21964769
+i'm curious to deconstruct what level of prose you think qualifies as YA
+--- 21964783
+I don't remember where I first saw this but have a pyramid.
+--- 21964785
+There were contours in that steel. Fucking contours. 
+The lurching asymmetric shit stumbled sideways and danced down the apartment steps like an alcoholic daddy with a brew in one hand and a belt in the other, one of those crisp $20.00 belts with the fat metal buckle, oh yes, the type that left glinting oil-slick bruises. And when that walking abuse reached the ground floor he finally saw just how haphazard it was. A Gothic helmet, Gothic! Three Quater leggings, bulky out of place fat fucking iron thighs on the vile Frankenstein’s monster armor and the breastplate with its contours, piece-of-shit-died-in-my-stomach-and-slithered-out-my-anus-fucking-contours, absolute bleedingly obscene Maximilian chest. Maximilian, Three Quarter, Gothic. The Larper had to get his throat cut, he just had to.
+--- 21964787
+>>21964778
+Since you apparently can't read:
+>Elliot did but almost didn’t care.
+Edgy and trite. A YA-quality sentence.
+--- 21964789
+>>21964750
+Are you competing with Gardner to see who can be the most self-involved alcoholic tard?
+No one cares which one of you is lamer.
+If memory serves, I read the first chapter and a half of your book.
+All these bad things happened to the protagonist for no apparent reason; it was all "LOL random muh bad luck". No plotting or morality at all.
+I was bored senseless.
+--- 21964792
+>>21964727
+you want overwritten shit?
+>I slid my dagger down my sleeve and pressed it quickly into his throat. The gurgles he made and widened eyes were his last gifts to this world. His body remained erect and frozen inside the nook. I closed his eyes and wiped the blood onto his cloth. Any heat his body emanated dissipated into gusts of winds carrying his soul to a place far removed from this paradise. 
+>The street across from me provided me a vantage where I sat to enjoy the simple pleasures others partook. Footsteps after footsteps passed the corpse without a single acknowledgement. A woman held her nose, but continued forward. The smell of flesh was unfamiliar to her. Neon lights illuminated his face, but as observed from each individual that would pass on by, he was part of the setting in which he lived. Not an ornament that adored the landscape, but rather, a piece of it. Blood soaked his clothes, yet, nobody noticed the darkened shade spreading throughout his body. Cursed to the realm of irrelevancy, not even his individualistic pride provided him comfort as he remained on his altar. His life ended and became a small piece of a larger story for another. That was all that would remain of his contributions to this world. 
+>Glamora continued to entertain any that remained on its streets. Underneath the purple glow of hearts, symbols, and graphic light that left little to imagination, I watched a woman take the arms of a man. She pulled him into a building in which neither reemerged. Joining them, I too, entered the building with little regard of what was inside.
+--- 21964793
+>>21964772
+Thanks for proving my point.
+--- 21964798
+Gauntlets are great for breaking teeth, but metal boots kick ass
+--- 21964800
+>>21964787
+you sound like the type of peasant in famine to pick corn out of cow's shit and reject it for not stinking enough. i mean that in the nicest way possible.
+--- 21964803
+how do i cope with hating to write dialogue? it's too easy for me to cross-contaminate emotions and styles of speech
+--- 21964832
+>>21964808
+honestly i deleted the post because i don't want you to kill yourself, you're just annoying and need to stop shilling everywhere. even the established authors don't shill as much as you do
+--- 21964837
+>It's October again. The sun sets and leaves fall from the trees, drifting away like pieces of my soul. They drop down like journalists who know too much about the CIA. The cold air raises goosebumps on my skin, like a caress from an unseen hand, a caress that soon tweaks my nipples and stiffens them into pert buds.
+>How quickly our time slips through our fingers. Before we know it, the leaves will be gone, and so too will we; before too long, this entire world will be a distant memory. Ashes to ashes. Dust in the wind. As thoughts of my inevitable demise flash through my mind, my heart sinks down into my stomach, and I realize I have to take a shit.
+--- 21964840
+>>21964793
+Some day, you'll realize how ignorant you are, and you'll kick yourself for all the missed opportunities for illumination.
+Or maybe you'll use your knowledge of physics to design a bomb that destroys the whole world, just because women find you repulsive.
+Maybe both.
+--- 21964845
+>>21964811
+I never said I read half the book.
+I read just over a chapter.
+Are you having reading comprehension problems?
+>>21964828
+NTA either, but why go to porn sites when I can get all the naughtiness I want for free?
+What exactly is your business model?
+--- 21964847
+>>21964837
+>The sun sets and leaves fall from the trees
+forgot a comma
+--- 21964855
+>>21964840
+If you enjoyed the book that's great, just don't try and claim it has some kind of scientific value. Philosophy hasn't contributed anything to physics since the era of Aristotle.
+--- 21964862
+>>21964840
+ultimately this is offtopic. however your insecurity comes off very hard in your posts. why give a fuck about who studies physics. it's mostly biomedical applications now anyway. that physics guy will most likely design prosthetics for your grandma not work for northrop grumman. you are behaving like the bitches on twitter who invent things in their head to get mad at. no wonder the top earning writer in this thread has a serial where in the first chapter he shits on feminists. jesus christ
+--- 21964870
+>>21963995
+You have problems with passive voice and some logical errors but otherwise the writing is fine enough for whatever work you’re using for practice.
+--- 21964876
+>>21964803
+watch art film movies
+--- 21964879
+>>21964876
+how could that possibly help?
+--- 21964884
+>writing a story about kids trying to make the best hamburger
+>thought it'll be a short story
+>somehow surpassed 10k words
+>they haven't even cooked their first burger yet
+
+What the fuck
+--- 21964887
+>>21964885
+what did i do
+--- 21964888
+>>21964884
+it's the journey not the destination my friend. imagine sisyphus happy
+--- 21964890
+>>21964855
+Blanket statements, made in ignorance of the evidence?
+Doesn't sound very scientific to me.
+Are you sure you haven't made science into some sort of personal religion?
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientism
+--- 21964894
+>>21964861
+You're a man of the people. A real class act.
+You're sure to go far with your demonstrated temperament.
+--- 21964898
+>>21964890
+You're funny.
+--- 21964900
+>>21964890
+>blanket statements, made in ignorance of the evidence?
+>Doesn't sound very scientific to me.
+>Are you sure you haven't made science into some sort of personal religion?
+>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientism
+--- 21964902
+>>21964862
+Since you apparently have no memory, >>21963148 claimed his physics PhD lets him make sense of the world better than most people.
+Clearly an arrogant, dismissive attitude.
+--- 21964907
+>>21964898
+You're boring and close-minded.
+Enjoy your self-created downward spiral.
+--- 21964910
+>>21964905
+No wonder you've been banned from every web site and social media site.
+--- 21964913
+>>21964902
+ahh, so you're focusing on the fact he studies physics and not that he's getting a phd. i would say, objectively, that earning a phd makes you understand shit better, because it is literally self-directed research which you eventually need to defend. maybe you won't have in depth knowledge of all topics but the process of verifying the truth of any topic will become trivial, which is definitely part of "understanding". so yes, he's right
+--- 21964918
+Is my prose effective? 
+>You see, for the longest time, Anon refused to accept the feelings that he had in his heart. He tried to suppress them, he tried to ignore them, and he tried to pretend that they weren't even there. But they were, and they were getting stronger and stronger. After all, the human heart is a very powerful thing, and it can be hard to deny for too long. Finally, he realized that he needed to do something about it. And so, he decided to act on his feelings.
+>Anon realizes that he cannot deny it any longer. He is attracted to other men, and it's getting harder and harder to pretend that he's not. At first, he tries to suppress it again, but he eventually makes the decision to act on his feelings.
+>Anon has been hearing everything through the wall that divides his apartment from his neighbor's. He can hear every little sound from next door, from the noises of their movements and conversations to their most intimate moments, even the little grunts and splashes of his neighbor taking a shit. He knows everything about their daily routine. Anon is obsessed.
+>Anon's desire for the man is so strong that he can't keep it inside any longer. He decides that it's time to do something about it. So, he waits until the man is home alone, and then he makes his move. He grabs the burlap sack that he got from the Home Depot, and he grabs the barbed wire that he snipped from the church parking lot on MLK Boulevard last Wednesday night. And he waits.
+--- 21964920
+>>21964918
+i love it
+--- 21964921
+>>21961108 (OP)
+Silent protagonist. Yea or nay?
+--- 21964939
+>>21964921
+the characters were engaging, i'd read more.
+--- 21964943
+>>21964918
+>But then... the neighbor opens the door. Much to Anon's suprise, the man is 55 years old, morbidly obese, and wearing a stained, faded wifebeater. The neighbor scratches his belly, belches, and says "Can I help you?"
+>"Oh, uh, I thought I heard my cat meowing outside the window, but I can't see from my own apartment. Do you mind if I come in?" He smiles shyly.
+>"Uh, sure." The neighbor steps aside, and as he does so, Anon gets a whiff of his pheromones. Anon knows that the neighbor only showers once every three days. His cock jolts with arousal.
+>Anon makes it across the threshold, his hands sweating and his throat tight with anticipation. The neighbor looks at the burlap sack and barbed wire and says "So what's the story here?"
+>Anon's eyes widen. He was so focused on his cocklust that he had forgotten the original plan. "This is for when I catch my cat," he says quickly, letting out the awkward laugh that he had repressed for years.
+--- 21964944
+>>21964913
+Circuitous reasoning and jumping to conclusions.
+Not exactly a good look for you.
+I'll wager your "plots" are just so much ass-grabbing. "LOL random!"
+--- 21964945
+>>21964935
+>kys
+But I like my life.
+Do you like your life?
+Because that doesn't really come through in your posts.
+--- 21964973
+>>21964943
+>The neighbor chuckles a bit, thinking that Anon is pretty odd. "I've uh, got some cold beers in the fridge if you want one."
+>"Oh, I want one, alright..." Anon says suggestively, making his way over to the fridge. As he opens the fridge, a devious idea enters his mind. He bends over, arching his back and displaying his ample bottom. "I can't find the beer," Anon says, trying to keep his heart rate under control. "Do you think you can ... help me...?" He sways his hips slightly.
+>The neighbor, whose name is Doug, is a bit offput by Anon but tries to be an obliging neighbor despite his slovenly and poverty-stricken appearance. "They're in the back," Doug says, approaching the fridge. As he gets a little closer to Anon, he starts sniffing the air. Something about Anon seems... different. So, the neighbor asks the question, "Are you, uh.... are you okay? You seem kind of, um, sweaty."
+>Anon's heart nearly stops in his chest. He knows that Doug must be able to smell his buttplug. "Oh, uh, I was jogging when I realized my cat was missing," Anon says, trying to brush up against the neighbor, whose name is Doug.
+--- 21964989
+>>21964958
+Fantastic criticism. Such insights.
+--- 21965015
+/wg/, I'm burnt out on my novel and writing in general. after 3 years of forcing it and 1 year of not being able to force no matter how I tried to recover I just feel kind of sick of it all
+
+I still want to finish this story one day but I feel like the writer inside me has finally given up the ghost. the only one who can decide if I get back to writing at this point isn't me anymorel it's god or whatever nameless force controls the parts of my brain that made me a writer in the first place
+--- 21965022
+>>21965015
+Go write something else for a while.
+Maybe some short stories.
+--- 21965029
+>>21965015
+writing is a habit. you have to force it and then you can't stop thinking about it and you lose track of other stuff and then you overload and burn out.
+you need to force yourself to sit down and get the words out and it'll rekindle your drive to write. maybe also consider writing a shorter piece as opposed to your set aside magnum opus
+--- 21965043
+>>21961108 (OP)
+I came here looking for dark tower references.
+Not disappointed.
+
+Should I re-read the drawing of the three?
+--- 21965067
+>>21965015
+writing is the reason i failed my classes, it's the reason why everyone thinks i'm a lazy piece of shit, it's what i breathe, what i loathe. if you don't feel compelled to beat out this shit every day just like you beat your dick then you're not gonna make any progress. you have to love it so much you hate it.
+--- 21965086
+>>21965015
+hey if this is JK I hear you. I've been such a lazy piece of this these past 4 months I've only gotten 8500 words out but I've been writing every day for the last week, only 1500 words after deletions, so definitely way below my 1k a day average beforehand. everyone telling you to write a shorter piece may not be wrong, but I always found each chapter was always a shorter piece in and of itself, so after being on hiatus for so long I say get back to your story. plot out the next arc and then get writing those individual chapters. and I swear I'm gonna read the 2nd half of your story but I've just been such a lazy pos and rl stuff but I think I'm gonna be able to set a bunch of that aside for at least a bit. gl
+--- 21965113
+>>21965022
+>>21965067
+I think I'm just done for right now. If I get back to it I'll get back to it. If I don't, I won't
+
+>>21965029
+>you need to force yourself to sit down and get the words out and it'll rekindle your drive to write.
+
+Literally the first thing I tried, and I tried again and again every night for a year. At a certain point I have to accept that the writer part of me is used up. Maybe it will regenerate if I leave it long enough without thinking about it, but maybe it just won't and I'll be like this forever. Who knows? not me. The only thing I do know is that writing with the goals I had in mind was guarranteed to lead to my suicide if I actually published my novel, so maybe I need to change myself entirely if I want to come back to this
+--- 21965143
+>>21965113
+For me, I’d just keep switching projects - starting and abandoning stories, switching up styles - until I find the one that gets me excited.
+--- 21965507
+>>21961332
+Read the whole thing. Was pretty good and the protagonist's bleak outlook of the world is definitely going to be relatable for a lot of people in the demographic you're aiming for. Would definitely encourage you to continue. If the superpower angle's dragging you down, maybe she doesn't need them. Since it's a futuristic setting, maybe she could be really skilled with tech and gadgets, instead.
+
+I know a lot of people thought Hero Academia would've been more interesting if Deku had stayed quirkless and was forced to rely on his brains and support items.

lit/21961128.txt

@@ -100,3 +100,39 @@ First it would at best be a equivalence, not a proper characterization, but spin
 --- 21961905
 >>21961128 (OP)
 It’s just desire and joy (transcendent/numinous). Sadness is an aspect of desire or negative joy.
+--- 21962023
+>>21961128 (OP)
+Anger/Hatred and Confusion
+--- 21962068
+>>21961161
+What’s the best way of classifying sadness with Peirce’s semiotic triangle? What about desire? It seems like everything else can be classified pretty easily.
+--- 21962072
+>>21961128 (OP)
+>three "basic" emotions can be reduced to variations of intensity and frequency in the one truly fundamental emotion: ъyъ. 
+deboonk this
+--- 21962106
+Fury
+--- 21962114
+>>21961128 (OP)
+These were already done by Hobbes, whom Spinoza read. Why does he get any credit for it?
+--- 21963477
+>>21961128 (OP)
+Is Ethica worth reading other than the first chapter?
+--- 21963640
+>>21961161
+I was about to say. Dude never had to feel hatred for anything
+--- 21963654
+>>21961128 (OP)
+>reductionism
+fuck off
+--- 21964130
+bump
+>>21961161
+>>21962068
+pls respond
+--- 21964144
+>>21961128 (OP)
+What about surprise
+--- 21964386
+>>21964130
+why must fate taunt me so ;_; just when I thought I discovered the theory of everything...

lit/21961196.txt

@@ -25,3 +25,42 @@ Incorrect on both counts
 thank you for your service
 --- 21961944
 Gately's addictions were cured: "the tide was way out" - the amniotic sea of sensuality has receded
+--- 21962149
+I’m around page 80 and I’m really in between
+>this is pretty good and interesting 
+And 
+>I do not fully understand this passage I’ve now read 4 times perhaps I’m getting filtered
+Is it worth it to keep going? Also annoyed how perspective keeps changing when I’m getting into a scene
+--- 21962151
+Do any of you read Wallace' early fiction? What is his equivalent of Joyce' 'Portrait'?
+--- 21962419
+>>21962149
+i'm on ~750 and feel it's anti-plot book because it jumps between characters and years plus modern/post-modern style of writing; treat it as lore dump of a universe that some guy came up with by projecting his addictions and hobbies on 90s america, if you don't like it until ~300 page, then you might drop it
+--- 21962424
+>>21961944
+Hmm this is actually a good post. With that in mind, all of the imagery fits together.
+--- 21963033
+>>21961204
+I like your statement
+--- 21963137
+why does this book trigger so many people? it's just good silly fun.
+--- 21963143
+>>21961204
+fuck off, Jason, we all hate you
+--- 21963779
+>>21962149
+If you keep going eventually you get used to the writing style. This is generally true for most difficult books. Just take it slowly and google every word/phrase/acronym for which you are not 100% sure of the definition, even if you know you know what the word means.
+--- 21964217
+>>21961196 (OP)
+So what exactly IS the joke the title is rambling on about and why is it so endless?
+--- 21964221
+>>21961204
+That's not at all what he meant by that
+--- 21964288
+>>21964217
+It's related to a line in Hamlet
+--- 21964313
+>>21964288
+Hamlet...THE one and only melancholy dane?
+--- 21964508
+This is gonna be a really faggy post but there’s few reading experiences in my life that can compare to me being a pretentious high schooler having gotten through the book for the first time, reaching that last line (itself a poetic and beautiful one in an entirely darkly poetic epilogue), which nonetheless doesn’t resolve anything in the plot, and the feeling of simultaneous awe, melancholy, and a strange sense of completion and fulfillment despite the non-ending.

lit/21961252.txt

@@ -41,3 +41,57 @@ It's not our job to write about Europe either. Set your story wherever, you whin
 >write non-euro fantasy
 >YOU'RE APPROPRIATING POC CULTURES 
 the redpill is to not care what libtards and westernized non-whites think
+--- 21962862
+>>21961252 (OP)
+Because they (China) want to take over.
+--- 21962868
+>>21961940
+Its not from the West.
+--- 21963001
+>>21961252 (OP)
+Because you were born in an era when white people are in a bad spot. Blame the Greatest Generation. Or live your life in the best way possible given the circumstances.
+--- 21963014
+>>21961252 (OP)
+Because, when Asians write their fantasy, the villains are monsters with the legs of a bird, the body of a snake and the head of a horse. When Europeans write their fantasy, their monsters go "squat, broad, flat-nosed, sallow-skinned, with wide mouths and slant eyes: in fact degraded and repulsive versions of the (to Europeans) least lovely Mongol-types."
+--- 21963044
+>>21963014
+If you want to see racist Asian fiction you should read the urban fantasy/contemporary stuff, anon. Cultivation stories don't count since those are literary Asian ethnostates anyway.
+--- 21963056
+>>21963044
+>Cultivation stories don't count since those are literary Asian ethnostates anyway.
+More like ethno-multiverses.
+--- 21963068
+>>21961252 (OP)
+I fucking hate it when a non-white try western fantasy and fail miserably at it. At least try to not be a subhuman with your own culture, and maybe you can try touching mine.
+--- 21963113
+>>21961355
+What's "organic"? Hero's journey for dudes, catching the dude smut for women? That's just feel good shit, there are plenty of other genres.
+--- 21963152
+>>21961940
+This.
+--- 21963160
+>>21961355
+I feel you, if you're looking for euro-centered fantasy set in a european and medieval setting, then french authors Serge Brussolo and Viviane Moore are there and they're great. I don't know if they've been translated in english, but they exist, if reccomending french authors isn't too far stretched. Closest thing I've read about a story of knight fighting monsters, while not being chessy about it.
+--- 21963176
+>>21963160
+And I want to add that The Witcher doesn't fill this void, because this is way too high fantasy.
+--- 21964028
+>>21963160
+The Wandering Unicorn of Manuel Mujica Lainez is easily one of the best modern takes on the chivalric romances, and it was writen by an argie. There is indeed tons of good stuff out there, but most of it isn't from England or USA.
+>>21963113
+Sanderson, and other authors like him write fantasy separated from any sense of wonder or marvel, an intelectual exercise of fake physics that missunderstands the point of magic and in some cases even the point of the genre, to not mention the lack of any substantial culture or tradition. That's what I mean when I say organic or unorganic, and I don't know from where the hell you get the "Hero's journey for dudes, smut for women" you complain about when I never implied such a thing.
+--- 21964173
+>>21963068
+From what country you are?
+--- 21964308
+>>21961252 (OP)
+Because whites are the noble race from which everything good in the world rushes like a pure mountain spring. They bear the responsibility for all the joys of the vulgar races, including their amusements and idle fancies.
+--- 21964333
+>>21964173
+Portugal
+--- 21964581
+>>21963056
+More like ethno deez nutz
+--- 21964906
+>>21963068
+To be completely fair, most whites fail miserably too: the current state of the fantasy genre is the most unromantic, uninspired, anti-cultural subversive stuff ever writen, and most authors are white anglos even if publishing houses love to pretend that two or three inmigrants are the new normal of the genre.

lit/21961385.txt

@@ -29,3 +29,97 @@ Can I get a QRD? I read his wikipedia page once and he's completely based. How d
 --- 21961868
 >>21961385 (OP)
 A hero of our time
+--- 21963097
+>>21961868
+Sounds good too!
+--- 21963250
+>>21961385 (OP)
+anything by the russians and Holmes.
+get the four main novels, do Study in Scarlet, Hound of the Baskervilles, Sign of the Four, and Valley of Fear.
+if you will only get one, the last.
+
+as for the russians, try Father Sergius or Kreutzer Sonata by Tolstoy; the gambler or the adolescent by Dostoevsky, maybe someone else of them.
+
+saving the best for last, get some Lupin novel. comfiest read ever.
+i recommend The Crystal Stopper.
+--- 21963355
+>>21963250
+Oh, some intrigue. 
+I actually read the first two of the main four. I had a Sir. Arthur Conan Doyle-pilled gf sometime ago. 
+I've never read Tolstoy's shorter works/novellas I've read The Gambler and know that The Adolescent is ~underrated~ and for ~patricians~
+
+The Crystal Stopper sounds fun, Leblanc in general has always sounded fun.
+--- 21963364
+>>21963355
+leblanc is really comfy. makes me wanna learn french to get his buttery smooth writing in the original.
+same as the russians, although i think that'd be more valuable since there's a lot more stuff. 
+how many books are you taking? is it a single one? how long is the vacay?
+--- 21963383
+>>21963364
+Two weeks. 
+It can't be more than two, anything more would be presumptuous I think. My gf is insistent I won't finish anything so I've got some spite reading to do.
+So, the thread can just serve as a big casting net for summer reads just in general.
+--- 21963398
+>>21963383
+i'd say leblanc is a must take as one of the two.
+you'll be extremely cozy.
+--- 21963436
+>>21963383
+I guarantee you will finish at least a couple of books. I finished 4 and a half, each more than 300 pages long, and some short stories on a two-week vacation last year. We had sightseeing or some other activity every two days, and on the free days I'd go out to the beach and just read all day
+--- 21963462
+>>21963398
+Hell yeah dude, I'll get some Leblanc.
+
+>>21963436
+Nice man, ours is scheduled about the same way so I think I'll pack some more.
+--- 21963525
+>>21963462
+Definitely pack more, this way you'll have more options in case one of the books turns out to be not to your liking
+--- 21963590
+>>21961385 (OP)
+Plenty of Murakami for this vibe
+--- 21963823
+>>21961404
+Disgusting lies.
+--- 21963835
+>>21963383
+>Succession
+Very based
+--- 21964201
+>no more posts
+/lit/bros...
+literally the best thread to share the books you find coolest and comfiest, come on
+--- 21964215
+>>21964201
+>something that feels in season but still full of ennui and shit so I can be morsoe in the sun.
+Maybe try The Opposing shore by Gracq. There is an antigracqposter who may appear and tell us that gracq sucks but simply disregard him
+--- 21964254
+>>21964215
+makes me feel riled up. imagine a whole book of build-up and then at the climax it ends.
+it's intellectual edging.
+--- 21964292
+>>21961489
+QRD of Calvino or "If on a winter's night..."?
+--- 21964307
+>>21964292
+both
+--- 21964322
+>>21964254
+I find it meditative. I don't even care about the plot to be honest, I just like the descriptions
+--- 21964373
+>>21963590
+A lot of his work fits this forsure but I've read just about everything. I recently finished The Elephant Vanishes.
+
+>>21964201
+Lmao, thanks for backseating OPing for me, I was at work.
+
+>>21964292
+Yeah both. 
+But really just how did Calvino not get Gladio'd while in Italy at that time.
+--- 21964377
+>>21964373
+>Yeah both.
+lmao i actually even backseated the proper answer
+--- 21964384
+>>21964377
+You're true-blue, buddy.

lit/21961745.txt

@@ -28,3 +28,63 @@ His Best, Joseph und seine Brüder
 --- 21961854
 >>21961829
 ok then, we can do "Joseph and His Brothers" after this, happy?
+--- 21962018
+>>21961779
+We're reading in the original German obviously, pseud 
+jk, the best english translation is john e woods
+--- 21962041
+>>21961829
+Based. 
+
+What's your favourite part? I loved it all, though I'm not the sort to tire from epics like this.
+--- 21962051
+>he isn't reading the old finnish translation
+NGMI
+--- 21962520
+>>21962018
+Becoming fluent in German by the 8th seems like a pretty tall task, especially since I'm wholly unfamiliar with the language ... given my situation, any chance we can push back the start date to the 9th?
+--- 21962523
+I'm down if I can find my fucking ereader
+--- 21962539
+>>21962523
+sory, i stold it
+--- 21962545
+>>21962520
+No, you just have to apply yourself
+--- 21962548
+I'm deep into another book atm but any anons on the fence should definitely read this. One of the finest works of fiction I've ever read.
+--- 21963238
+>>21962548
+Tbh I’m down to push it forward by a week if you guys are.
+--- 21963251
+No way, I dropped this book back in March, about 200 pages in. I'd be happy to join in
+--- 21963259
+>>21961745 (OP)
+Mann is terrible boring and gay
+--- 21963278
+>>21961745 (OP)
+I'm in.
+--- 21963858
+>>21963251
+Why’d you drop it?
+--- 21963905
+>>21963858
+a nigger bumped into me
+--- 21963911
+>>21961745 (OP)
+Would love to join but I can't read German. Good luck!
+--- 21964138
+>>21961775
+It's about a guy who, when visiting his cousin at a health retreat, likes it so much that he convinces himself he is sick. This delusion is aided by the doctors, who push him to stay because it makes them money. Those who are actually sick tell the main character he should leave, and argue pointless philosophy as they wait for death. It's a really pathetic piece of literature.
+--- 21964809
+>>21964138
+Bait?
+--- 21964821
+>>21963911
+retard?
+--- 21964826
+>>21964809
+I think so
+--- 21965118
+>>21963858
+Had to read a couple other books for school and just didn't feel like picking this one up after that

lit/21961792.txt

@@ -56,3 +56,223 @@ to
 --- 21961990
 >>21961975
 In what kind of meter did he construct the poem? The original epic hexameter or free verse?
+--- 21962022
+>>21961792 (OP)
+
+I'm keen. Are you going to post on here on a specific day to get the week threads going? I'm really onboard - wanted to read for a long time but never got around to it.
+--- 21962058
+>>21962022
+Every thursday for the coming 15 weeks
+--- 21962070
+>>21962058
+>gay hr
+true
+
+>verification not required
+--- 21962099
+I'm planning on writing a biogtraphical novel about Ezra Pound in the style of Martin Amis & Anthony Burgess called 'Io Venni in Luogo d'Ogno Luce Muto' after the fourteenth Canto of 'the Cantos' by Ezra Pound who Martin Amis & Anthony Burgess have at least once mentioned in their writings. Do you have any advice as to how I would go about doing so?
+--- 21962107
+Fuck Ezra Pound. Garbage.
+>oh you don't get it
+yeah, but i don't get The Wake, and somehow it eludes the state of waste that Ezra the Pig wallows in. 
+Fuck im.
+--- 21962110
+>>21962107
+Do you know what Cadence is?
+--- 21962117
+>>21962110
+do enlighten me on the question, and then give me the answer after.
+as in: why do you ask, and tell me the answer anyway
+--- 21962118
+>>21961990
+As of Canto 1, old english stress meter. Here is a reading of it done by Pound.
+
+https://media.sas.upenn.edu/pennsound/authors/Pound/1958/Pound-Ezra_07_Canto-I_DC_1958.mp3
+
+>>21962107
+Thans for the bump
+--- 21962121
+>>21962117
+You realize the Cantos works almost entirely off Cadence? He is not writing in the style of Blake or Milton. Milton is writing using blank verse... Blake using metre, cadence & assonance sparingly whereas Pound's verse works almost entirely off cadence.
+--- 21962141
+>>21962121
+Eh I think I need to write off a writer before he ever has a chance. I took up my copy of this and it reads better than the last mood I was in, reflected back from him, so maybe I have to despise him first as a matter of course? 
+I have a copy of the cantos, i've tried several times, but never did he grab me, not even once. tonight aint so bad though, maybe it needed the absolute dismissal first. then we can work from a debt to me, he owes me now, and to read is to forgive by turns
+--- 21962498
+Hey guys. I'm on EST, so just catching up with this thread now. I was here last week. Looking forward to this reading group!
+
+I definitely enjoyed Canto I and Canto II. Upon first read, Canto I was the more striking of the two. It was certainly the easier to follow. 
+
+I'd read a bit of Pound before, but I'd mostly avoided the Cantos because (a) I knew it was long and difficult (b) because I'd heard that it lacked a certain beauty. In regards to the latter, I found very much the opposite. Pound can be a bit heavy handed with the aural aspects of his poem (listen to the recording), but I definitely didn't feel that the beauty was missing. In fact, there were a few places where he seemed to be Hopkins-like. 
+
+On a side note: I did write up summaries for each canto if anyone is interested. They are a bit long, but, if anyone would like to see them, I'd be happy to share.
+
+>>21961804
+>>21961975
+
+For the most part, I agree with >>21961975. Pound did say that "The Cantos" was "a poem including history." If I went into Canto I completely blind though, I don't think there's enough in the poem itself to suggest that Pound is concerned with bringing in Andreas Divus in order to establish a "cohesive" or "linear" tradition, like the one you might find in a school textbook. 
+
+That being said, from just looking at the contents of Canto I itself, it seems like Pound's decision to use Andreas Divus is (rather than for the construction of a historical tradition) because he's interested in the "translator" (and the process of translation) more so than he is in the contents of the translation itself. 
+
+Pound's creative process, in the Cantos and elsewhere, seems to hinge on translation. In fact, his famous phrase, "make it new," is a translation from the Chinese. He almost uses translation in the way later poets use the cut up: it becomes a springboard (sometimes even a frame) for a more protean / associative creativity. Pound, in other words, is not interest in an accurate translation (or even sticking to one book). He even regularly leaves out critical sections of the work he is translating, assuming the reader knows the story already. Rather, he's interested in (a) the creative revivification of a text that is brought about by translation (ie., bringing old texts to life); (b) the creation and associative experience that flows out of the poet while he is translating. 
+
+In short, I think Pound uses Divus' translation because he sees in Divus a creative predecessor. This identification of a creative predecessor appears again in Canto II, where Pound shifts his focus to Robert Browning and So-Shu. 
+
+Not sure if this is right, just throwing things out there.
+--- 21962505
+>>21961792 (OP)
+Are the Cantos brilliantly antisemitic? Or just the author?
+--- 21962608
+>>21962118
+Hey, thanks for this reading. I love hearing poets read their own work.
+--- 21962729
+Did anyone have any passages that particularly stood out? 
+
+Any passages that you really struggled with?
+--- 21963378
+>>21962729
+My favourite Canto is Canto LXXXI. What thou lovest well remains. I don't think I ever heard a more beautiful passage of poetry in my life. 
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX0h1KSM5fs [Embed]
+--- 21963386
+>>21962505
+>When Pound handed Mussolini a copy of A Draft of XXX Cantos, Mussolini reportedly said of a passage Pound highlighted that it was not English. Pound said: "No, it's my idea of the way a continental Jew would speak English", to which Mussolini replied "How entertaining" (divertente).
+--- 21963389
+>>21963378
+>>21962608
+
+Here is Pound reading Canto XLV
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn6r2Nm0ZMo [Embed]
+--- 21963393
+>>21963386
+What did he mean by this?
+--- 21963445
+>>21961975
+>Canto II
+An interpretation of the Acoetes passage of Ovid bracketed by Tyro being raped in the company of seabirds. Canto II backs up >>21962498, Browning's Sordello a translation, in a sense, of a person. It also relates back to the Nekyia. The Companion shows the line about Odysseus returning to the underworld was a translation error, along with "Schoeney's daughters", deliberate preservations of a translators transformative capacity.
+-Transformation, or metamorphoses, is the obvious through-line of Canto II. Beyond being a great scene of weird fiction, the Ovid stanzas position the Dionysian as the agent of change. 
+-There is a connection between beauty and metamorphosis. Helen's beauty brings about a great war, and the transformation of the crewmates is heralded by sensuously described cats. Could this be why Pound invokes Aphrodite?
+-No clue what Tyro is doing but its a striking image
+>Lithe sinews of water, gripping her, cross-hold,
+>And the blue-gray glass of the wave tents them,
+>Glare azure of water, cold-welter, close cover 
+
+>>21962505
+No they aren't
+--- 21963481
+>>21963445
+
+Could you explain what you mean by these two things a bit more:
+
+(1)
+>"Browning's Sordello a translation, in a sense, of a person. It also relates back to the Nekyia."
+
+(2)
+>"The Companion shows the line about Odysseus returning to the underworld was a translation error, along with "Schoeney's daughters", deliberate preservations of a translators transformative capacity."
+
+Your description of (2) seems a bit strange to me. I don't see how an error is an example of a translators transformative capacity? I guess you can describe an error as a transformative capacity, but "capacity" seems to imply an active ability. The translator's transformative capacity seems more fully supported by a translator's "free" and purposely "imaginative" translation of a source text - rather than simply them making an error. I'm just trying to get at what you mean here.
+--- 21963562
+>>21963481
+Canto I describes a ritual performed by Odysseus' crew to commune with the dead. Canto II starts with a reference to the poem Sordello, about an obscure historical figure. The poem creates a detailed account of Sordello far beyond the historical record, so that the poem can be compared in some respects to that necromantic ritual.
+
+Pound included two mistranslations deliberately. I used the term capacity so as not to connote intent; intent or not it can alter the text in powerful ways, like "A second time?". Sometimes the mistranslation is even preferred, like in Psalm 22:16.
+--- 21963599
+>>21963562
+
+Ah! Sorry about that! I missed the fact that Pound intentionally kept those mistranslations in his poem. I see what you mean now!
+
+Interesting point about Sordello too! 
+
+
+Just for the sake of interest, here's my summary of that opening passage of Canto II (sorry, it's written pretty quickly). I read the passage more as an introduction to the protean nature of Pound's poetry and the poetic world he creates (as opposed to an echo of the necromantic ritual)
+
+"Canto II begins with reference to the poet Robert Browning. The speaker, frustrated with the many personae given to the Italian troubadour Sordello in Browning’s poem Sordello, says “Hang it all, Robert Browning, / there can be but the one ‘Sordello’.” Although the speaker starts by claiming the singular identity of Sordello, the speaker goes on to question himself, saying “But Sordello, and my Sordello?” In the end, the speaker opens up Sordello’s identity to ambiguity, doing so to the point where all he can confidently say about Sordello is “Lo Sordels si of di Mantovana” (the Sordellos are from Mantua). 
+
+The Canto then turns to “So-shu,” the Chinese Han dynasty poet Ssu-ma Hsiang-ju. While Browning represents an epic type of poetry that contains difficult-to-pin-down lyrical personae, So-shu represents a rhyme-prose type of poetry, equally protean in its nature..."
+--- 21963633
+>>21963599
+That's a good interpretation. Metamorphosis book-ended by Proteus. The protean change is more like flux though, the Metamorphosis changes are all instantaneous and final. Pound mentioned in a letter that the Cantos are structured around
+A. Live man goes down into world of dead.
+B. ‘The repeat in history.’
+C. The ‘magic moment’ or moment of metamorphosis, bust through from quotidian into ‘divine or permanent world.’ Gods, etc.
+but in this canto it seems like he is more interested in change as flux.
+--- 21963671
+>>21963633
+
+Yeah, I think that's fair to distinguish moments of metamorphosis from general protean change. I do think, at least in this canto, Pound refers to Ovid/metamorphosis as an example of the universe's protean shifts though. 
+
+Oh I haven't heard that before. Do you happen to have that letter by the way? It's hard to imagine that Pound has a strict schema for the Cantos. They are certainly connected, but they seem pretty different in focus and subject matter. 
+
+I'm also a bit skeptical about this idea that the Cantos were written from the perspective of a "continental Jew." The Cantos seem to be pretty true to Pound's own ideas about poetry and poetic form. I think the Cantos are too "honest" to be a parody of sorts.
+--- 21963699
+>>21963671
+>Continental jew
+Never said that. Reading the Cantos for its antisemitism is idiotic.
+--- 21963707
+>>21963445
+I think there is also a sense of hubris or hybris (unjustified pride towards the gods) in the poem. Pentheus didn't want to celebrate Dionysus and inturn got ripped apart by his own mother and wife. 
+
+Also, how much did Nietzsche influence Pound regarding his view on the Dionysian. I can't help but think about the birth of tragedy when reading this Canto.
+--- 21963716
+>>21963699
+which book is this from? 
+Also I think this scheme goes up for the early cantos, but does it still hold up for the Pisan Cantos?
+--- 21963721
+>>21963699
+
+Yeah sorry, I didn't mean to say that you were the one to mention or endorse the continental jew thing. I was just responding to the general comments that have appeared in this thread. 
+
+I agree that reading the Cantos for its antisemitism is idiotic. I also think Pound's own statement to Mussolini (if true) is a lie, a weird joke, or just incorrect.
+
+Thank you for the letter!
+--- 21963726
+>>21963599
+What exactly do you mean by Protean? The see god Proteus or does he have nothing to do with it?
+--- 21963733
+>>21963726
+
+The word (I believe) comes from the God Proteus, but I just mean:
+
+protean = "tending or able to change frequently or easily"
+--- 21963735
+>>21963721
+Do you think Mussolini ever read the Cantos? I highly doubt he did. I think Mussolini saw Pound as a sort of weird admirer of him, a fanboy if you will, but I don't know for sure ofcourse. 
+
+Pound's fascism or his prose work is a whole other topic than the Cantos or poetry. They ofcourse intersect, but let's keep the discussion clear and focus on his poetry
+--- 21963739
+>>21963733
+And what has it got to do with Canto II exactly or poetry in general? That a metamorphosis can only happen once and that protean change happens whenever it happens?
+--- 21963759
+>>21963716
+https://archive.org/details/LettersOfEzraPound1907-1941
+No idea, its my first readthrough
+
+>>21963739
+Speaking generally, transformation is the stuff of poetry. But the distinction was noted as I anticipate that it could be a reoccurring theme in the Cantos.
+--- 21963771
+>>21963739
+
+Well, I'll preface this by stating that I wasn't the one to make the distinction between "protean" and "metamorphosis." However, I am happy to accept that there may be a difference between the two. 
+
+Now, to me Canto II, is poetically and thematically centered on the "protean." The references to Robert Browning and So-shu are to introduce a poetic type of proteanism. I don't know enough about either of them to say confidently, but it seems like Browning is known for his subjective/shifting personae, while So-shu is interested in capturing some of the fleeting aspects of nature/the universe. 
+
+This poetic proteanism is coupled with a poem largely "about" shifts. We get a series of metamorphoses in Canto II: some of the men turn into dolphins, the boy reveals himself to be Bacchus, the ship becomes covered in vines and animals. There are also references to Tyros' rape (by Poseidon, who had turned himself into a river) and Eleuthyeria (who is turned into a tree - in Canto II she is turned into coral). 
+
+The poem itself even tells the reader something like "we have been involved in the protean." Pound invokes the God Proteus explicitely here:
+>"And we have heard the fauns chiding Proteus / in the smell of hay under the olive trees [...] / And..."
+--- 21964490
+I got filtered by the first Canto ;_;
+--- 21964702
+>>21963599
+The Sordello section was borrowed from an earlier work, Ur-Canto 1, so there is room for it to have multiple meanings in the context of the entire work.
+--- 21964718
+>>21964490
+
+Any reason in particular?
+--- 21964721
+>>21964702
+
+Oh interesting! I'll have to check that out to flesh out my reading. Thanks for that.
+--- 21964833
+>>21964718
+I could barely understand what was even going on other than it was similar to Homer

lit/21961877.txt

@@ -4,3 +4,122 @@ What are some essential dadaist reads?
 --- 21961880
 >>21961877 (OP)
 what in da fuq!! is that
+--- 21962135
+>>21961877 (OP)
+Society is collapsing
+--- 21962363
+>>21961877 (OP)
+someone sat down a d made this. someone with a computer and an internet connection, with access to all human knowledge available at their fingertips and a comsiderable ammount of free time, and this is how they chose to spend it.
+--- 21962372
+Someone really cares this much about an anime tf2 ripoff huh
+--- 21962385
+What an amazing picture, very funny and well made. So much passion and such a keen eye for what is wrong with the world today.
+
+>>21962363
+>>21962372
+>WHOOAAAAA WHY DO YOU CARE SO MUCH LOLLLL SOMEONE REALLY TOOK THE TIME TO MAKE THIS SMDH LIKE JUST WALK AWAY 
+Faggots
+--- 21962937
+>>21962385
+OP
+--- 21963063
+>>21961877 (OP)
+Soiteens are literal schizos LOL
+--- 21963508
+>>21961877 (OP)
+Gemmy
+--- 21964348
+>>21961877 (OP)
+Basedjakism is peak degenerate art.
+--- 21965210
+I'm not reading all that. In fact I'm not reading any of that. Moreover, it is ugly and displeasing to look at.
+--- 21965474
+>biblically accurate angels
+>scientifically accurate dinosaurs
+>mature anime
+>angel's egg
+>irl boss battles
+>jojo's bizarre adventure
+>lost media
+>unconventional christmas movies
+>uncanny valley
+>liminal spaces
+>mandela effect
+>strangely familiar places
+>junji ito
+>akira
+>neon genesis evangelion
+>serial experiment lain
+>so bad its good
+>the pope exists in the car universe
+>prequel memes
+>gaslighting
+>/mu/core
+>trust the science
+>just let people enjoy things
+>sus
+>techwear
+>cumtown
+>creed aventus
+>based
+>who would win walter white or tony soprano
+>pirating indie games is immoral
+>its fun with friends
+>its a good X game but it falls flat as a Y game
+>japanese movie posters
+>this scene of Vito from The Sopranos kind of looks like Star Wars!
+>/tv/ is a bad board
+>copium
+>racism outside /b/ not allowed
+>christianity/mormonism/scientologyis just like a cult
+>lofi hip hop
+>plastic love
+>tomboys
+>mde
+>john lennon was a wife beater
+>nobody:
+>who hurt you
+>I don't really care about politics, it makes me unhappy
+>misinformation spreads quicker than real information
+>Penguinz0
+>frankenstein is the scientist not the monster
+>y'all
+>reporting basedjak spammers isnt reddit
+>Ed Edd n Eddy took place in purgatory
+>gaslighting
+>gatekeeping
+>literally
+>food analogies are bad
+>it's a wyvern not a dragon
+>snowpiercer is willy wonka!
+>trigger will save anime
+>minimalist movie posters
+>slowburn psychological A24 horror
+>lovecraftian
+>gameplay loop
+>burning (2018)
+>whoah this is just like a real life black mirror
+>serial killer/true crime documentaries and podcasts
+>video essay
+>peer reviewed
+>bechdel test
+>filtered
+>unironically
+>movie is actually about capitalism/consumerism/colonialism
+>newspeak
+>genre deconstruction
+>Starship Troopers is a satire of fascism
+>tatsuki fujimoto
+>you put gaslighting on there twice
+>calling an opinion a "take"
+>Iet's unpack this
+>muh sekrit club
+>you just can't basedjak the things you don't like
+--- 21965524
+>>21961877 (OP)
+The absolute anger and vitriol that must've went into making this is astounding, wojaks are like rage comics but for mentally unhinged people
+--- 21965534
+>>21965474
+This is why you get bullied at school
+--- 21965559
+Daily reminder that these grotesque "memes" are not organic.

lit/21961907.txt

@@ -5,3 +5,91 @@ Is it the mind that sees or is it the eye? I'm interested in the sense of sight,
 >>21961907 (OP)
 --- 21961917
 Read Johannes Peter Müller
+--- 21962044
+>>21961907 (OP)
+You, your mind, and your eyes sees. Its not exlcusive, there's enough sight to go around for all 3.
+--- 21962055
+>>21961907 (OP)
+Eye sees, mind interprets what is being seen by the eye. The image the eye sees is flipped upside down. The mind also corrects that.
+--- 21962177
+>>21961907 (OP)
+the eye is a mouth which consumes light. the conversion of that data, the ineluctable modality of the visible, that isn't even the language of sight, or even a vision, it is not what "is", but an impression, you aint a proper witness to them thar noumenon, my boy. 
+i remember once, meditating in the shower on the exact point of when light becomes interpretation in my brain, which seemed to occur in the eye more than the brain, there was a moment of freedom, of having broken the axiomatic process by which my eye interprets. basically, i did a little thought experiment. air is composed of molecules, as i am composed of them. let's say they're arranged in a grid, something like a penrose tiling system, eh? just for shits and giggles. at the time it was a shifting series of bubbles moreso than tiles, but things develop as ideas, accrete, you know. anyhow, the tiles, the molecules, your eyes, the air, all of this, it has creases, right? a point at which each molecule meets. let's say you were looking for this *seam* in the material, what would be between this? i imagined this point from the air and light in my eyes, all the way into my brain, and there seemed a split all the way from the physical to the virtual/spiritual/immaterial, which abruptly ended at some point which i had to assume was soul/spirit at the time. i located "the eye that sees the noumenon and is itself the noumenon", the true eye, the third eye, whatever you want to call it.
+so that was the moment i had of meditation. nothing really changed until i got out of the shower, and toweling off, i looked at a vent in the corner of my bathroom, and the world suddenly fell away around me as i caught a seam between spacetime itself, and witnessed a glowing red monstrosity, a thing somewhat like what is depicted on those old hindu murals, many arms, made of flame, many faces, and it floated parallel to me as the material world seemed to exist as a false boundary. The flaming glowing bright -thing- came to me, and instead of getting close, it -closed the seam-. it was as if this thing had "patched" my world, at the time, like a broken aspect of the version of the matrix i was in was fixed so it wouldn't do that anymore.
+anyway, check for seams sometime, and you might be surprised to find where the light meets the eye
+--- 21962187
+to expand on the actual thing that made it clear, was that my eye itself had a seam in it, like i was looking through my eye from the source of vision itself, skipping the material entirely. getting everything to -line up- was the issue, like if you were to pinpoint the exact angle of vision required for the crease to go on forever, if you look at a grid of three dimensional dots, arranged in a cube, say, as you change your angle of vision, you can see new angles of "nothingness" between each dot, based on the point of origin of your perspective. treating the world as a simple grid, a lower tier of merely functional matter, seeing between the gaps was -easy-.
+--- 21963049
+bump
+--- 21963163
+>>21961907 (OP)
+the pathway from the surface of the eye to your brain has many layers of filters. when you are young, an infant, you sense almost everything that hits your eye. as you get older, many of these direct connections are pruned away, in order to let you see while consuming the least amount of energy possible. the depth with which you can see with adult eyes is incredibly narrow - and i'm not talking about depth of field or the width of the scene in front of you, but you are essentially only seeing what you expect to be seeing at any moment.
+--- 21963439
+>>21961907 (OP)
+consciousness, dumb fuck
+--- 21963500
+>>21962177
+
+Ah, czeched, so you've seen the turtle too. :)
+--- 21963549
+>>21963500
+i might've, who's asking?
+also, right back atcha
+--- 21963932
+>>21963549
+
+>i might've, who's asking?
+
+Oh, nobody in particular perhaps. Just tasting a bit of a void experience outa the above. Acquired tastes are the best, eh?
+
+>of having broken the axiomatic process by which my eye interprets
+
+I'd describe the rest differently but this has caught my eye. LIkely just perspectives.
+--- 21963969
+I have never got an answer to this. sure, there's the visual cortex and eyeglobes, both are 'stringed' so they connect as a 'circuitry' and since there's nothing else, we ascribe the function to this exact part of the process. the issue being, how's the totality of said 'electrical' output being communicated? after all, you know it isn't an array of a reflected screen: where does it translate to 'experienced perception'?
+--- 21963990
+>>21963969
+
+>where does it translate to 'experienced perception'?
+
+At the intersection of all other functionalities. The in between. The idea behind a pattern (especially an ongoing one) is that it is more than the sum of its parts ... or rather it IS the more in regards to the sum of the parts. Could "cut" a pattern into individual angles, curves, lines. Still got all the individual parts, yet the moment you do this the pattern is gone. Poof! Just like this. Or is it really ... in potentiality all the parts do still carry the pattern within them.
+--- 21964649
+>>21961907 (OP)
+>Is it the mind that sees or is it the eye?
+
+
+The physical eye sensorially sees/perceives; the mind's eye/conscious vision —constituting the interface between the physical, and the metaphysical— rationally or intellectively sees what is notionally, or conceptually, rendered within the mind; intuitive conceptual rendition of this type is sometimes refered to as the "sixth sense", or "the third eye", although, more often, these latter refer strictly to superconscious exposure to what is beyond the physical.
+
+The conceptual/evident/digital is rendered via intuition/vision/glimpse of the ideal.
+
+Few see; fewer act —to see more, farther, better, with the cortex in etymic syncord with the cornea.
+--- 21964657
+>>21964649
+>The universal does not exist externally to the outward eye as a universal. The kind as kind cannot be perceived: the laws of the celestial motions are not written on the sky. The universal is neither seen nor heard, its existence is only for the mind. Religion leads us to a universal, which embraces all else within itself, to an Absolute by which all else is brought into being: and this Absolute is an object not of the senses but of the mind and of thought. - Hegel, Shorter Logic §21
+--- 21964698
+Both. The eye can react independently to stimuli - light sensitivity, movement, protective reactions, etc. This is why those with semi-blindness or blindness stemming from neural rather than optical damage will still react to certain stimuli. But its the brain that takes the sensory input and finds meaning in it.
+--- 21964881
+>>21963932
+ahh, but that's the shell of the very nut.
+it's interesting that i do not regularly suffer from hallucinations, and at the time was not on any chemical aid, though have been since, but the striking thing about this moment was that it had broken simply through the exchange of axioms, as if a sense of peace and transmission had been wrought through the amygdala, and suddenly i was able to hijack or switch out whatever i wanted. as if it wasn't external physics i was toying with in any direct sense, but the gathering thereof, which was pliable enough to change based *on* actual physics. it's frustrating now to look. how have you changed your fundamental sensory axioms in the past? later on i realized that there was a pretty large group of these axioms, the rigging of the ship. most made at the moment of birth, definitely the sensory ones. remembering my birth definitely took some chemical assistance though.
+--- 21965482
+>>21961912
+is there a pdf available online?
+--- 21965571
+>>21964881
+
+>it's interesting that i do not regularly suffer from hallucinations, and at the time was not on any chemical aid
+
+Same, and this is important (even where you step beyond its boundaries), need a sober mind for this, otherwise you'd likely drift off or get stuck in some inane dead end.
+
+>as if a sense of peace and transmission had been wrought through the amygdala, and suddenly i was able to hijack or switch out whatever i wanted
+
+Jep. One of the nicer side effects.
+
+>how have you changed your fundamental sensory axioms in the past?
+
+In what way or by what method? The former, well, mentioned the in between above. That's where the process dwells as I like to call it, the ongoing pattern. A comparison here perhaps, most do see "reality" like you'd see yourself through a very dirty mirror ...once you clean it however ...
+
+>definitely took some chemical assistance
+
+Heh, can be useful. Never used it to induce imaginery, more like pushing the consciousness to its absolute limit. Brutal and dangerous, results may vary.

lit/21961916.txt

@@ -22,3 +22,98 @@ house of leaves or daisy miller
 --- 21961988
 >>21961916 (OP)
 Fahrenheit 451
+--- 21962032
+a dirty job by christopher moore
+--- 21962174
+>>21961916 (OP)
+“Fretboard freedom:what Allan holdsworth may have known”. It’s just a retarded man’s descriptions of YouTube videos he watched of a brilliant man playing guitar. Grammar and spelling are nausea inducing dyslexic word salad.
+--- 21962186
+>>21961916 (OP)
+The Learned Disguise by RC Waldun
+--- 21962195
+>>21962186
+that's impressively bad
+--- 21962231
+>>21961916 (OP)
+Some book a female family member reccomended who deluded themselves into thinking it wasn't generic pop genre fiction.
+Oh wow it's a historical setting and they incorporate obscure trivia? This totally excuses it having every single trope and plot of other books.
+I can't into female lit. The only women who've ever reccomended me a good read have been grey-haired book store owners and school librarians, not even regular librarians cut it.
+--- 21962346
+>>21961916 (OP)
+Ready Player One is the only proper answer.
+--- 21962875
+My own
+--- 21962908
+>>21961988
+True, easily one of the weakest of Bradbury's writing. And when you look at how fast he wrote it, how it was originally a short story, and practically just an extremely angry response to every critic that gaslit him over whether he did or didnt like religion or minorities. It was pretty on the nose, but I do think some of the passages about his love for lit were beautiful. The dystopia part of it was peak absurdity, and not at all sympathetic to the view he was upset about.
+--- 21962965
+Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality
+Book by Eliezer Yudkowsky
+--- 21962970
+>>21961924
+Now this is just intellectually dishonest.
+--- 21962987
+>>21961916 (OP)
+Every single thing frater has posted desu
+--- 21963141
+>>21961916 (OP)
+Andre Agassi
+--- 21963165
+>>21961916 (OP)
+>The nice man looked at the red cup.
+--- 21963255
+>>21961916 (OP)
+I had just finished one the campaigns of Mech Warrior 2. Was just getting into the series at the time, and thought that a novel in the same universe would be cool. This book doesn't belong on any "worst books ever lists", but I had to drop it after the first chapter because the jargon was utterly incomprehensible to me at the time. Have since played a lot more Mech Warrior and know a great deal more Mech jargon, so I may give this another shot once I clear other books from my (long) reading list. That said, it seems a poor decision to make your book impenetrable by new-comers. But I guess it's like the tenth book in the "Dark Age" series, so maybe it's my fault. idk
+--- 21963311
+>>21961916 (OP)
+The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night Time. I get that it was supposed to represent the thoughts of autists but the writing style is a classic case of "But I was only pretending to be retarded!"
+--- 21963683
+I miss that one thread that pretty much devolved into tearing Nothing but Blackened Teeth a new one because goddamn, does that book deserve crucifixion.
+--- 21963861
+>>21962186
+
+>"There stood Felix, fared in such thoroughfare."
+
+oh lordy
+--- 21963894
+>>21961916 (OP)
+r is for richocet
+--- 21964426
+>>21962186
+>Discombobulate.
+--- 21964480
+The Butlerian Jihad trilogy written by Frank Herbert's talentless son. Nothing in those notebooks needed to be read by anyone other than Frank but they mined more genre shlock out of them than there are pages in the Bible.
+--- 21964485
+>>21962186
+how did this get punished?
+--- 21964515
+>>21961916 (OP)
+In recent memory, The Pastel City.
+
+The sheer ineptitude kept me reading well after I understood it wasn't worth the paper it could've been printed on if I hadn't downloaded it.
+--- 21964535
+>>21964485
+It was self-published and shilled on /lit/.
+--- 21964549
+>>21961916 (OP)
+Chuck Wendig, that opening Disney EU novel
+--- 21964917
+>>21962186
+This reads like the author had a fucking stroke and just kept going.
+--- 21964926
+Song of Solomon - Toni Morrison
+--- 21964930
+>>21962186
+>cigarette buds
+--- 21964988
+It's been YEARS since I read it so I've unfortunately forgotten the title (the something dress, I had to read it for a class). 
+
+But I remember how awful the plot was! A 300 page book where the main character didn't do anything proactive or out of her own initiative until page 290. Her alcoholic abusive father weirdly did more to move the plot along for her than she herself did, it was awful.
+--- 21965099
+>>21961916 (OP)
+The Shitkickers by Jason Bryan
+--- 21965179
+>>21964988
+Sounds realistic
+--- 21965192
+Sounds like 60% of modern literature

lit/21961929.txt

@@ -1,3 +1,58 @@
 -----
 --- 21961929
 Um, Plato bros…
+--- 21962043
+>>21961929 (OP)
+Why were the Greeks so fucking based?
+--- 21962062
+>>21961929 (OP)
+Homo love sounds always much purer than hetero love
+--- 21962064
+>>21961929 (OP)
+Yeah, I never really cared about that....the ancient greek philosophers, I mean.
+--- 21962069
+>>21962062
+Homo love is entirely eros. It's impossible for it to be purer. It,by itself, is based on a fettish.
+--- 21962422
+>>21962062
+Sulla got anal parasites from too much gay sex, according to Plutarch.
+--- 21962493
+>>21962062
+pedophilia* (but what's the difference)
+--- 21963430
+>>21961929 (OP)
+I would have believed this 10 years ago. But now I can see this is leftist revisionism trying to make everyone gay
+--- 21964227
+>>21963430
+Diogenes Laertius is leftist revisionism?
+--- 21964272
+>>21962422
+What is the appropriate amount of anal sex, according to Plutarch?
+--- 21964277
+>>21962069
+Source?
+--- 21964278
+>>21961929 (OP)
+>Greeks: love
+>Moderns: SEX
+Birth rates are plummeting.
+--- 21964296
+>>21961929 (OP)
+As if Plato couldn't get any more based
+--- 21964370
+>>21964278
+Greeks: eros
+Moderns: umm ackshually..! they didn’t mean it!
+--- 21964838
+>>21964227
+touche
+--- 21964863
+this is simply faggot brainwashing rewriting history. not true, don't care also i bet you're jewish
+--- 21965541
+>>21964277
+Literature.
+Normal romance -> tomance
+Gay romance -> sex sex sex.... whats more, lots of rape also. Usually the first-time intercorse occurs without bottoms consent. Its fucked up. Its just a fettish.
+--- 21965551
+>>21964296
+Source on pic? He's cute :3

lit/21962047.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,137 @@
+-----
+--- 21962047
+pic related is an award-winning "poem" by an american poet. the guy who wrote this literally won money for it, and there are hundreds of thinkpieces and essays doing analyses of his piece of shit poem... what a fucking joke. it seems like nowadays poetry is just rambling your feels like an instagram post, without any attention to composition, form, poetic traditions, .etc. and without any imagination or joy in manipulating language. When modernist poets abandoned or experimented with the traditional forms, they mostly did it from the perspective of competence and mastery of those traditions. nowadays poets seem to have no respect for beauty or for imagination.
+
+do any current poets use traditional verse forms like rhyme royal, villanelle, sonnet, heroic couplet, ballad, blank verse alexandrine.etc.? or are these beautiful styles really dead in the modern world
+--- 21962061
+>>21962047 (OP)
+Indeed, "lighght" is shit.
+I've been fed tons of poetry during school and they were supposed to be great because they respected all the rules. But the poems themselves where boring and forgettable. Felt like a slog. 
+Write a beautiful sentence or paragraph and I'll treat it as poetry, I don't care about anything else than how I feel reading it.
+--- 21962066
+write some. it'll make you feel better.
+i would, but i'm like Poe in that I'm the jingle man, so I can't help you.
+you should grind what you want out of the world, then throw it away before anyone sees it, for shame of embedding your heart in the material of the world, lest it become some vile idol, your symbol. be not the praise of the world, speak the language of truth and faith to it, and if you dip your toe in the world, then make sure to cut the toe off when you're done, for it is better to hobble in heaven than to dance in hell
+--- 21962079
+also, the externalization, the disembodiment of meaning from the symbol is the game of the modern critic and the author/poet besides. this is the game now. the narrative and context and the commentary becomes the art, and the symbol? fuck the symbol, i just want the story. everyone still wants the story, but it's gotta be meta! o it can't be just some tale of an elf or a bagel rolling down the hill gathering seed of the field before sliced by the weedeater and creamed by the cow before landing on the white dish, no, no no no, all this must be -implied-, a mere suggestion one time in a dream in your life in a journal will do, the critics will sort all that out after you've died and been bottled up and poured into a snifter as spirit for those seeking the pungency of the fermented man, the man whose microbiota have taken him over, what he leaves behind, his fetidness, his rootless digestible mass, now the delicacy of the modern man, the man in the moment! the refined parasite, the helminth on the deck of the yacht of progress. he just wants the story, just the story, the vehicle of it be as small a pill as you can get, but so long as the story hits like a ketamine trip, six hours after you've read the lines, whispered to you by your own consciousness, having spent its idle minutes sorting the meanings, discovering -for- you, then BAM! One complete mindscape for you, that's the preferred package of the story the man today wants, he doesn't want anything else, all the work done for his belly before it reaches his mouth, hell, before he even smells it
+--- 21962080
+>>21962047 (OP)
+In my country, poetry is as good as ever. Lots of political motives, but conservative trough and trough, with great quality. But you can't write poetry for the sake of poetry. It needs to be dedicated to something. No weird verses or two liners rither. If there is a single two liner in a poetry book, it's ok, but if there are nany, nah. Also, if you dont have rhymes, I hope you are an extremely talented person to pull that off.
+--- 21962092
+Ok, so the entire poem is just "lighght"? If do...wow...difnt know thst poetry in the US is just an art if pretending to be smart on a superficial level. "Wiw, look at me, I am using obe word, I am breaking all the rules"...just because you are breaking the rules doesn't mean you are innovative... its like wearing a suit and flipflops.... he would have gotten laughed out if the building where I live. Its not about misspelling a word, yes, misspelled on purpose to hive it a higher meaning, whatever...but using one word...its like the stupid red dot on the white square being clmpared to Monaliza...
+--- 21962095
+>>21962047 (OP)
+>contemporary
+this is from the sixties
+--- 21962100
+>>21962092
+it's like you're some sort of unrepentant phoneposter, intent on every freudian stroke revealed to the world. what's wrong with you, son? there's a marvelous creation called the backspace
+--- 21962113
+There will be a new Swift, Sterne, Keats, Wordsworth, Coleridge, Shelley, Byron & Blake soon enough.
+--- 21962116
+When exactly did art become a kind of prompt, a conversation starter, a kind of 'intellectual' icebreaker to justify an extended monologue on what the critic actually wants to talk about? 
+
+Cause that is what so much of modern art is, a segue with a ribbon on top, a reason to talk about something else.
+--- 21962134
+>>21962100
+I am using the phone hahahaha...sorry about that... I get too excited, and I can't efit/delete here, so my shame remains.
+.
+--- 21962145
+>>21962134
+you can't edit? why not? there is a backspace, there is your finger and the cursor and all of this. i'm on my phone too, i wrote this on my phone, no problem
+>>21962079
+so what's the real excuse? are you lazy? some sort of drunk? esl? an old guy? something else is the answer besides the tool you're using here. be honest, i won't attack you, just would like to know
+--- 21962152
+>>21962047 (OP)
+AI will put an end to this. AI will bring back verse and rhyme.
+--- 21962157
+>>21962152
+>AI will save me!
+pfeh, what a sad life you'll lead, reading robot poetry.
+--- 21962296
+>>21962047 (OP)
+You heard of Ada Limon? She's pretty popular right now, a couple of her poems are okay so I downloaded some books and quickly found out she does "I need and demand white dick" poems. Maybe some of you will find this amusing.
+--- 21962304
+>>21962047 (OP)
+We are witnessing the decadence of society.
+--- 21962320
+>>21962157
+I'd rather read an AI imitating Milton than read "lighght" or ebonics imitating poetry
+--- 21962334
+>>21962047 (OP)
+>check early life
+>born in Jew York
+>check mother's early life
+>her mother, who was sixteen when she gave birth, was a Russian Jewish immigrant who arrived in New York 
+Every time.
+--- 21962345
+>>21962334
+Lmao, Aram Saroyan is literally the most Armenian name a person can have. He may have jewish ancestry, but he ain't a jew himself
+--- 21962352
+>>21962345
+>he may be jewish but he's not jewish
+--- 21962376
+>>21962352
+Seems like you know better than me what the criteria for being a jew is. Just saying that as a sane person I wouldn't consider someone by the name of "Aram Saroyan", with an American-Armenian protestant father and a jewish grandmother, unconditionally jewish
+--- 21962379
+>>21962047 (OP)
+I like the poem. Pretty enlighghtening.
+Here is another poem by the genius Sorayan.
+--- 21962386
+>>21962376
+Who cares what's his name? The entire jewish history has been about adopting the natives' names. Or did you think *berg was Hebrew?
+--- 21962387
+coleridge's laudinum fuellled prose is still some of my favourite
+--- 21962404
+>>21962386
+He got the name (first and last) from his father, who wasn't an ethnic jew, nor did he practice judaism. Something tells me you're having so much trouble understanding this concept because you were raised by a woman
+--- 21962414
+>>21962404
+What concept? He's at least as jewish as lenin, he's a jew and you're coping. Your coping doesn't change reality despite what you've learned at school. Cope and seethe.
+--- 21962751
+>>21962061
+This comment isn’t adding much, but I just needed to say: Yes, I agree with you. In its essence, poetry is a bodily, felt experience. Almost non-rationalizable.
+--- 21962941
+>>21962066
+this is oddly auspicious. 
+
+definitely i agree about writing poetry being a gret way to cultivate feels... but it saddens me, the idea of poetry as a way of connecting to something divine or exalted seems totally lost on nowadays poets. i dunno, i would love to read some that still use traditional verse forms.
+--- 21964193
+>>21962145
+As I said, I get over excited, so I type fast without caring, and my fingers are sausages....I have made so many typos that my autocorrect wont even offer the correct alternatives or mark a word as incorrect...it happens more often lately though...maybe I should be concerned. Sometimes, I want to correct a typo and make the same typo, so nothing changes... wrote nark instead of mark, tried to demete n and type m...typed n once more...got a nark again.. I am sorry. I will try to be better.
+--- 21964853
+>>21964193
+i'm sorry, i was having a wicked day, and i shouldn't have hassled you. you type how you type. it's not so much my business nor my right to barge into your life to demand perfect editing! again, i hope that you can forgive me my raillery. it has never become me, and it is something i wished to leave behind
+--- 21965083
+>>21962376
+He IS unconditionally Jewish if his mothers side is Jewish though, which they are.
+--- 21965106
+>>21962047 (OP)
+Sociological answer : Contemporary poetry is just a circlejerk of tiny groups of upper-middle class rich kids showing off how they have all the right opinions about everything under the sun. Their lack of literal and ideological diversity is unavoidably going to leave its mark on their work.
+
+Philosophical answer : Romanticism never ended and blogposting your feelings IS what romanticism boils down to in its most degenerated, shambling zombie-esque state. Plus since none of these people are as well educated in the classics as, say, Hölderlin was, their artistic projects are unavoidably going to be as incoherent, out of touch, and overall technically and artistically challenged as their nonexistent aesthetic education was. 
+
+Lefty answer : These people don't actually want to write poetry, they perform their idea of what a poet is like for social clout because art itself is commodified and commercialized and completely hollow in the hands of the bourgeoisie.
+
+Chud answer : Every nation has the culture it deserves.
+--- 21965114
+>>21962047 (OP)
+bababadalgharaghtakamminarronnkonnbronntonnerronntuonnthunntrovarrhounawnskawntoohoohoordenenthurnuk!
+--- 21965124
+You know how it be for a nigga
+Life and death for a real nigga
+When that danger gettin bigga
+And I pull that trigga
+--- 21965131
+>>21962047 (OP)
+We were all taught as kids that every attempt at art is art. We were taught wrong. It's important for us to say: "this is NOT art." 
+
+And anyone who says "actually, anything can be art." We need to smack them and say, no. That time is over.
+--- 21965133
+It's real. Quick, Anons. Give me 3 good reasons not to kill myself. I might liveatream it.
+--- 21965136
+>>21965131
+People who say that everything can be art almost always do an instantaneous 180 on that position when they encounter a work of art that expresses views and ideas with which they disagree. People need to realize that the "anything can be art" is nothing but a rhetorical trick people say to legitimize works of art that they agree with but which not all members of society agree with just yet. It was never meant to be internalized and taken seriously as an idea in itself.
+--- 21965488
+>>21964853
+You were correct in calling me out since it keeps getting worse and worse. You did nothing wrong. Thank you for saying it. It will motivate me to do better.

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+-----
+--- 21962131
+books on how to stop being a braindead retard?
+--- 21962667
+fox therefore bump
+
+prometheus rising
+--- 21962678
+>>21962131 (OP)
+--- 21964179
+>>21962131 (OP)
+If you are a retard, the only way you'll stop being one is by having to face the consequences of your retardation. Once confronted with such a consequence, you will either die, or live and learn. This process is continually occurring.
+Now, if you are a true mongoloid, then there is no book that can help you, because you likely can't read. Since you have written a question, I am assuming that you are literate, so I direct you to what I said at the beginning. God speed.
+--- 21964203
+>>21962131 (OP)
+>books on how to stop being a braindead retard?
+alt.suicide FAQ
+--- 21964211
+>>21962131 (OP)
+
+If you're over 120 IQ, reading history and lit. And a cursory education on the sciences will get you elite maxxed quick. If you're actually low mental horsepower, you need to fuck off lol

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+-----
+--- 21962206
+Give it to me straight, is there anything in this book that merits me checking it out?
+--- 21962291
+Wel, you can say you know the true Dracula and Van Helsing, and not the bullshit that comes from movies and video games.
+--- 21962331
+>>21962206 (OP)
+Yes, the fact that it's a great novel that carries the gothic tradition over into modernity.
+--- 21962338
+>>21962291
+This, also check out Frankenstein.
+--- 21962354
+>>21962206 (OP)
+The Jonathan Harker pov part is kino.
+--- 21963100
+>>21962206 (OP)
+The intro in the castle and the chapter on the boat are the best part of the book, by far. You can stop after that.
+--- 21963134
+>>21962206 (OP)
+I remember the insane guy saying something really funny that made me lol. I don't want to spoil it though.
+--- 21963192
+>>21962206 (OP)
+>Give it to me straight, is there anything in this book that merits me checking it out?
+The ability to trash talk it with authority is sealed within its pages.
+--- 21963296
+>>21963100
+Wow thanks
+--- 21963459
+>>21962206 (OP)
+It's one of the most influential novels ever written and a fun read. Is that enough?
+--- 21963467
+>merit
+if you want to read a vampire book and have fun you are allowed to do it you fucking pseud
+--- 21963844
+>>21963467
+You added nothing except faggot shit, kys
+--- 21963864
+>>21963467
+Told you to give it to me straight and you give it to me gay
+--- 21963953
+>>21963467
+Kys. Never reply with such stupid shit ever again
+--- 21963975
+I remember reading this when I was 12 and not knowing what was going on at all. The middle is a complete blur.