House Of Commons, Tuesday...
The Times, 1824-02-04T00:00:00

This being the day to which Parliament was prorogued for the despatch of busincss, the house met accordingly. The SPEAKER took the chair at a quarter before three o'clopk- soon after which, Sir Thomas Tyrwhitt, Usher of the Black Rod, sumimoned the house to the House of Lords, to hear the commis- sion from his Majesty for 'opening the session read. After having been absent for about a quarter of an hour, the Spsaker retumed and passed through the house to his private room. He resumei the clair at a few minutes tefore four o'clock, at which hour there was rather a full attendance of members. T'i'he SPEAKER informed the house, that he lId, pursumiut to act of Parliament, issued writs for the return of' rew members-t-r I?ncoinsllire, in the room of the Hon. Charles Anderson Pelham, now Lord Yarborough ; and for the borough of Liskeard, in the roam of the Hon. Wnm. Eliot, now Earl of St. Geanains. The new members then took the oaths and their seats. MIr. LUSHINGTON moved for ntw writs br the return of members-for the borough of Eye, in the room of Sir Itobert Gif- ford, who had accepted the officeof Lord Chief Justice of the Court of Common Pleas; for the borough of Ashburton, in the room of Sir John Singleton Copley, who had accepted the office of his Dlla- jesty's Attorney-Geeneral; for the city of Oxford. in the room of Charles Wetherell, Esq., who had accepted the office of his Allajes- tv's Solicitor-General; for Wigton, in the room of Sir John Os- horn ; for Sandwich, in the room of Joseph Alarryat, Esq de- ceased; for the county of Cavan, in tbh room of the Right 'ion. John Alaxwell Bary, now Earl of Farrtiam; and for Dumfries, in the room of Wm. Robert Keith Douglas, Esq., who had accepted the office ofone of the Lords of the Admiralty. Lord WrILLIAM FITZGERALD moved for a new writ for ihe return of a member for the county of Louth, in the roorm of the Right Hon. Thomas H{enry Skeffington, now a Peer. The clandestine outlaw.ry bill passed through the usual form. The SPEAKER then said, that the house had attended in the House of Lords to hear the Royal speecd delivered by commission - a copy of which he would then read. LSee tse proceedings in the House of Lords. I A]lr. R. HILL rose to move the addrcss. In consequence of the low antd faltering tone of voice in which the hon. member (who was dressed in military uniform) delivered his speech, onlv a few occa- sional words reached the gallery. After expressing a full sense of his inability to discharge the duty which had devolved upon him and bespeaking, therefore, the indnlgence of the house, he glanced hastily at the various topics which the royal speeci embraced. and concluded by moving the address, which was, as usual, an echo of it. Mr. DA LY, aIthough he was coansscous of his inability to do jus- tice to the topics of the address, yet, recollecting how often he had received the indulgence of the house under simnilar circumstances, thought that he should best consult-their convenience by entering at onc'e upon the task whicb he had undertaken, insteaSd of oft'ering an apology for having undertaken it. lie had been induced to second the address which had just been moved, from a consideration of the variour topics which it contained, because, also, he anproved of the tone of the speech by- which Et had been introduced, and from a firm belief that it would be adopted with very little or no opposition. (Hear.) W11hen he considered the situation of the country, either with respect to its internal economy or its fbreign relations, he thought that it afforded ground fbr general satisfaction. But a few years ago, the commerce of this country was excluded from almost every part of the Continent, and tlle Powers of the Continent were arrayed against us under the guidance of one of the ablest ard most extraordinary men that the world ever produced. We had entered into the contest, not fbr any purpose of agran- dizement and ambition but because it was then a question whether we should suder ourselves to be conquered like the rest of Europe, or renain a free nation. (Hear.) At the congress which immediately f'ollowed the termination of the *var, the mode- rate and liberal policy of the Mlinisters of this country was striking- ly displayed. 'I hey made many sacrifices to place the whole of Eu- rope in such a situation as would afford no grounds fbr a future con- test. In the course of last year a war broke,out in the southi of Eu- rope, which created the most serious apprehensions in the ntinds of rnany persons, lest it might involve this couttry in a fresh contest. That war had now ceased. He did not pretend to say that the manner in which it terminated was such as to give pleasure to any British subject. (Cheers.) There was no lover of liberty who must not reret the extinction of eveni one of its slightest sparks in any rtof Europe. He must, however, state that the slight strug- gle which was made on the part of the Spaniards in the late contest aftbrded the strongest proof of the good policy whiclh ministers had pursued. Ministers deserved credit for the uianliness with which they had oposed themselves to the feeling of the countr, for it dould not be denied that the feeling of tire Englis nation %as deddedly in favour of the Spaniards. Af- ter the tremendous struggle in which this country had been engaged for so many years, it was impossible that its various interests should not sulfer in some degree at the conclusion of a peace. But it was gratifying to find that Mlinisters were right, when they stated tisat the distresses of the country wvould be only tempo- rary. Amongst the various interests of the country, none was of more importance than t.hat of agriculture, and none had suffer- ed mere by the transition from war to peace. It was satisfac- tory to find that such an important interest was at present in a state of increasing prosperitv, which had been caused alone by the genernl flouzishing state of Che rest of the community, which enabled them to create and satisfy new wants. (Bear.) During the last eight years, Parliament had remitted an enormous amount of taxation, and that reduction had taken place without the credit of the country being in the slightest degreeimpaired. Other countries hptd- also effected-some alterations of-their financial systems, which, however, they were only enabled to do by having recourse to British capitaL He was convinced that Austria now con- sented. to pay the eighth part of what she -owed this Govern- ment, only becase she wished-to.avail. hersef of British cai- tal. It had been said that Great Britain had fallen from ihe high station which she had held among nations; but in his opinion she never stood more pre-eniinent that at the pre- sent moment. He looked to the South American states as' the source of an iucrease of commerce to this country, but he also considered them in a more important point of view. It was always gratif'ying to a ree nation to watch the progress of li- berty in any parf of the world_to behold men throwing off the yoke of the most odious slavery. andi taking their stand anmongst the free countries ofthe world. (Hear.) He.hailed the appointment of *ctsssula to the states of South America as the first step towards their acknowieeigtent as irdependent powers. (Hear.) With respect to one of the t he ddress, namely, the state of the West In- dies, he was extremely sorry to Jind that there had been some mani- festations of istempeance on the part of the inhabitants of our islands. Altbough the West India proprietors had expressed them- selves warmly, he thought that their complaints ougbt, notwith- standing to meet with the attention of Parhament. It was a sub- ject wlc's tequired to be treated with great delicacy; but it ought not to be forgotten that the Negroes were as much private property as any gentleman's estate in England, and that they were nmortgaged as the security for debts in this country. Parliament should weigh weH every cirecmstance connected with the qaestion, before -it at- ternpted to overthrow a system.wbich had epdured for so long a pe- riod. Another subject whichbad been alluded to in his Aitjesty's speech, was one uipon which the horse always felt deeply-he meant tresittuatitimpf1hisownpountryw It had been painful to observe, that for many yeas past lieland had been kept, by. misgoverunent, in a constant statg of disturbance, Aluch had been done -for that country by the liberality of Parliament, in affording the means of employing-and educaing the poor. He was happy tohear it stated inI is Majesty's speech that the condition of Ireland was improved. 'this hiappy cl-.nge was, in some degree, to be attributed to the measureo of. the Lord Lieutenant, and particularly to tlle revi- sion of the magistracy, by which that body ha been prevented from any longer doing.jnrstice,-or perbaps injustice, in their own houses. He (Mr. Daly) knew that within the last six montis isrqe mrssse of English capital had been Introduced into kreland. Thus waiacircurnst4nc whtich gave - him great pleasse.; because he beieved that naore advantage would result to Ireland from the. residence of one English qaPitalist- in that eountry, than from the passingofbwhole volumes-a laws. (Hear.) If it should anpesr thnappperty could be properly -secured in -freland, hejhn a bticvad.that English capitbslists.would be teniptedto. ethith The caUse of. the happy state of the people of- glan, s con- pared with the. peple:oElthe XC3tcWof-1urope -was, that they were in the full enaoyrnent_lt. allFihe blessings of the conseitotlon It was, inhisopiaion; air-s ethi4t the -niesures which-were proposed for th sadvbuty rge.ouldXpdnce the desited effeci, whilst thepeople of that; coinurjore drvidedl amionat- themeeWes In Engbunil, phs paopIn'knew--;ile hiessings of theT- constitntion. In Iresand, the great mJortyt the peo'rsleirnew *it-oal.lsrtougls the bar which ezcluderl them from its enJoymecnt. (Hlear, hear.) At' tsr apo1o>izin fiOF lm$ving 4*tRifled hious ilQ6elOng, the honl. ;meis ber cocluded.by expreasisig tbe pleaiuoawhich hse Ofel hi SeeNWin* .the address. The SPEAKER then read the iddilss from "the chaii,. and on, thie question being put, M5r. BROUGHAIU. rose. He said that he rose thus earlyto. pr es supon the attention ef t he house, chiefly in consequence of the observations which had fallen from the honoutrable meimber who had~ so'eloquently sudoidedk the moti'on for 'the addregs. W'ith resvect to the specelh itself, lie was in'the samne situation in which hie believed the great' ma-jority of the members of that hiouse found then2selves.on the present night, when theY hieard for the first timie of the-topics of the speech,. save what they gleaned by hearsay in the morning, through the varion's chafloels of communication open to them-partly, indeed, throun th nls esaers, partly, also, through the f'oreign . for through the one, as through the othier, thieyhad had anticipations of hebelieved equal accuracy. He should therefore wish, consideriog the great importance of the occasion, the greater imsportanceofthecrisis, and the magnitude ofthe topics hic-Wh such a speech must necessarily embrace-he could wish, hesaid, on this occasion, and now more than on any other within his memory, to be allowed to recur to the goojd old established practice of con- sideration before they dilscussed the speech from the throne,and 'not to be driven prematurely, and in a state of comp)arative ignorance, to do that whichi, in whiatever way it could be viewed,arnounted to nothing mnore nor less than to commit themselves to the adoption of certain propositions, which were precipitated into their view by his Majes. ty's Min)isters on tie very first day of the session. (Hear, hear.) But as he knew little of the contents of the speech, except fromi the souirces to which lie had already referred, ,and as he hadl only keard the subjects therein referred to glanced at aird elucidLated in the speechi of' the hon. seconder, niot having hadl the advantage of bear.. ing?he hon. mover's speechi, he had only the power, upon the spur of the occasion, to notice such argumients as he had heard in Supiport. of thle topics in a speech which he had not the opportunity or con- sidering ; ant'i the consideration of' which he was afhid he had no chance of inducing the house, according to the good old practice, to postpone. There were, indeed, certain expressions and opinions wliceh had crossed the lips of the hon. seconider, which he had heard with great delight; and so, on the other hand, there w'ere others whichr he had used, to wivch he could not defer his opposition one moment, and the policy and principle of whichi lie must positively contradict. F'or the former..nsmely, tite parts of the hon. member's speech which gave :him the warmiest pleasure-he had to refear to his cost- cluding observations, which, conkiderinjk the occasion when he ut- tered themn, his situation and the circutnstances when he avowed tsuch principles, were- not only, wvorthy of' the age in wvhich the hon. mnemiber lived, but afforded some presae that the titne had at length arrived, when that disgraceful systemu under which. Irelan ha been so long ni,oee was t be abandoned, and when that iunitappy counitry was at length t6 be ruled on somie constirational, initelligible, and consistent niodle of' governinent (hear, hear); and not by having one oflicet in its admiinistration so placed, and so actngi, as to thwxart antothier, or both of' them so relativelv si- tuated in the scale of' their syFtem, as- to be neutraliztil bv a power whiceh worked at homie, and whichi they, were afraid to strike; or by not being allowfed to carty with themi aniy settled determination to act enitirely for the benefit of the people and the tranquillity of the state. It was time Chat an avowal sihouldt be made of sonic wifsh to give to Ireland time benefit of con- stitutional freedom--of t-Itat practical administration of goodt laws; whichi was the real and best miode of securing the public co-opera- tion in their behialf ; it Was timie to hold out that hope to a suffering ,and long misgoverned people, who had, to use the eloquent lan- guage of the hon. seconder, only litnowva the Britishi constitution by the bars whichb shiut it out from themi. (Hear, hear.) If this were the new anid good policv whichi was to dawn upon lieland, he hailed its approachi, not alonie as the greatest blessing whlich could be be.. stowed upon that afflicted people, butta the most certain mneans of extedingconcrd aong ll casse ofhis Mlajesty's subjects, and mkingthem ore eneraly uefulto tile emipire at large. Thi chnge hoeve, t beeffctie mstnot be delayed ; it. must I b prmpty tkenup y a efectve ndhonest effort of the Go. veruset, maatig dreclyfro thm,and pronmulgated with an avowd dterinaionto aveit tritlY and inflexibly applied. (I-lar,hear) Cncuringas lie dlid in tiis part of' thle honourable membr'sspech,it as ithi regret tha he had to follow up his ote berain with the most decided expression of dissei,t from many of the sentLiments uttered by himi. Indeed, hie could hardly understand some of the comments which he had miade upon the policy and conduct of Great Britain towvards hier foreign reela. tions..lie hardlly knew on what passage of hier late intercourse with foreign states England ought to felicitate lierself. The cuirsory and apparent regret which the honourable mnember had appliedI to the in. famous invasion of Spain, following hiis allusion to the single sen. tence whichi the speech contained respecting btiat event, anid which wvas one confrtufasting the Sovereign on tthe line of policy he hadl been tAdvise to atlopt. Good Giod ! what was that line or policy .' It mnight have been righit, or it might have been wvrong-it was now too ateto rcethe question of that policvy; but waLs its e&cbt that upo wliehc eParliamient had a ri~ tow to cotingramulate their Soereign ? To hiave adopted a different policy mighit, perhaps, as the honourable inember suprsed, have led to defeat; but even in that view of it, thley were only one degree better than they -would hav,ebeenlhad theynmade the'experiment of theirinterference. Thi5 country might have been, under one alternative, doomed to witnes, notwithtstanding her interposition, the conquest of Spain by F?rRnce, and the ultimate possibility of' being involved in a wvar, withiout issaking the attempt to frustrate tIme aggression of the invader. That couirse she had not taken,but hadremainedi a witness of the aggression. W'asrbat a topic of congratulation? It mnighthave been wise not to have gone Co war, but lie iiust repeat, that of all topics of self'.con ratula. tion, and of all times to urge them in the face of the world, this was the most extraordinary, the moat incredible, when the avowed ob- ject of France, attd those wit whomn that Powcr ,vas in conjunction, was, to put down the spark of liberty wherever it dawrned. Was that the momen't for England to congratulate herself upon her non-inter.. ference to save the privileges of independent states'? At least, it be- camne a free nation like this, not to wvithimold her remonstrance from fis itbeing hleard, rather titan hier congratulation upon hner own-, pas- siveness, Uy tne supporters of that league of.- despots, who, in the fis ntne, thirougl th agency of FraneaantSan have avowved their arnsed cnspiracy against the libErties of the' world. (Hear, hlear.) That such a moment should be taken by aL British Parliament to congratulate the Crown that niatters hiave nopt gone worse with the people of England, wouild hiardly be cre- dited, unless by those wlho heard thie words of the addre-ss. Let_ the huerecollect what it was wlichl hed happenetd sisce timey had latst. mnet ; it wvas only the conquest of Spain by France--only that birance had, by force of armns. possessed herselt of that ancient and osiee powes'ful niation-aind only that Great B3ritain liad suffered, almost without remonstrance, that French achievement to be perfLsrrn- ed:- and yet England was now to congrattulate herself uponi what she had done, or rathser failed to have done, for the pra- -servation or the liberties of an indeperndetit state. There wvas a timie when- that event (the conquest of Spain) was mnuch more distant than it lately looked-when t-he situation pf England was at home usoost different fromi what it now was.-when the neces-sa- rv mode of conducting the particular war was the must expensive of all the expensive wars that ever were undertaken-and yet at that time, the st If' isruglqeof Sraminwa by England manfullyand victoriously defeilded and hepr victories in that cause celebrated througlhout the world:ito what avail, he now asked, was that expense and bloodshed ? (Hear, hear.) It was now indeed, (and sad to say it), needless to discuss the different policy whiich the (lovanintent had on the late occasion pu-rsued ; but for' God's sake, if it cannot be the subject of remionstrance, let it not be put forth on Par- liamentarv record as a tit source for expressing felicimations to the thirone. The honourable meeniber had dwelt upon the inadequate resistance maide by the people of Spain to their in- vaders, and had firom tlenice interred, that the Spaniards had altered their attachment to a free constitutioni, and, to sav the least of' it, evinced but a very moderate desire for a species of liberty for which they were not prepared and mianifested no feeling to mnake any, sacri- fice for the maintenance of time new constitution provided for then,. tThis argumient of the honourable meimber cur two ways; and, viewed in either, carried with it many, difficuilties He should like to know it' Spain wvas not against the present restored Goverzn- nsent--if the feelings and priniciples of an immllense part of the Spa. nish population were not decidedly favourable to the svsteni which the AUlea had subverted-ifsuch had not been, and still was not the predominant desire of that people, why wvas France comnpellel tokeep liD or 70,000 troops in Spain to prop the throneof Ferdinand? (Hear.) The hon. memiber's argument, to say the least of it, placed bins isa- this dilesnima-eithe e' paniards loved a tree constitution, and must be- kept downi from thep enjoyment of it by, an overawing force; or France is conquerin Spain, and prepared t6 hold tli'at state as a conquered connt/ Thepre was no getting rid of that dilemmra. Teewas one &Otw conclusions to which the argument, as put by the hon. raember, inevitably led--one of them was moot hostile to the plgted faith of a great nation, most dangerous to the s-afety of sarrouning states, and most deeply comnmitteag the public honour of France, who, but the spring befoteher invasitin, had disavowed all idea of a airect attack upon Spaini. In the face of Europe, France hiad disavowed that aggession ibrmled asiy part of hier views towards Spain.s The Bjritish Government was duped by the disgusting iyors which then veiled the 'designs of France; and beings dupd temas were overlooke ofseing what could be dne toaverttefatecof Spain. Buit, onthe other hand, if I that were not the alternative to which SPain wa~s reduced, and that she had a desire to maintain her constiutinon, but Goampelled to yield to the force of circumstances, was herselt uniable to present a 'sufficient front to her invaders, although shte claimned the aid of other free countries for a support that would have beeti trifling to te,yet adettuate to -her exigencies-a trifling pecuniar aid I smaU naval co-operationi, the resources which she mnighthaedn. ed from the individual services of enterprising individuals by the, repeal of'the foreign enlistuient bill-these, with her own eftorts, maight have had a fair trial, although it was imipossible to foresee the actualresule. There was no getting rid of the dilemmua which he had traced. He believed the cause of the disasters of S&itin lad, arisen fioma the conduct of both parties, who were affegQte4l- t~y the dilensina. I-e believed that Spain was prepare-d tg_d.endt her corn. stitution, though left to herself wvithout leader s and external support, antsl toa It u sne was kept down 5,y Ithe -vewhI sinpo 7. and that still she was Itept doewn by the ovchemfjujs~iD^ ovro France-that she sufferedsa conquest of her nattional independce the worst and most dangerous of aU conquests, in tte fateofa dvi lized world. This was an overt act in the conspiracy of the great band of tyrants against the liberties, offiee atates; and it was done while another great nation, herself the cradle of freedom, remained a passive spectator of that blow, which, by the'least active Mt sition, she might have repelled. WVhat had they gainpd by the poTicy on which they were now called upon to feliitate themselves? The hon. gentleman had asserted, that at no tormer period of her his.- tory had Great Britain beld a more camniandiog atitude in the eyes of the world, or one in which she more completely held the balanca of power in the scale of human politics.. Where, vhere, , sbown? WVhere was thlis preponderating control of influfit-$ visible? They once, indeed, coal t boast of that proud PFC.-Mlency, but he chalenged any man to point out its existwe- now, - governinthe desinies of states. Eitiher they P?i powe aas rerauied from using it, or they had su&~b-O'.'ie beun ' mewhich utpheldl liberty and the independen?egf- "<tons to be kdcked by despbts, and the balance or they suffered themselves to be duped and cajoled end shut out from tho Euro pen system; or, wbat was, it- possible, still worse, to be called into it, when (and indeed -upon no other occasion) they were%waited as brokers, wlaen the tnlls were to be paid, and the money supplied to meet the exigency.of.the schaeme. -(Hear, hear.) One mode of estimating the sense entertained by- the continental powees of the c'encuct and station of England waS, to sea in wvhat light-foreigners used them. It was now tbe proverbial talk -abrad, when the politics of England were discussed, that she was no longer entitled to rate -herielt as a first-rate ntoaloling- apaer.mo, -. isor ,evaas -seseGnd-rate . but. n~ist ta3ce her place,aY an insular power, where nature had pUt her. or wlers shc iad put 1hersclW It iBigln k .ttid, that tbie 4ahae~ wer#inpu ~~ibte-Wytnmnf theforeindespotswmrefateifiil. distatit, and chiniricaMwas prepared to maintuin thecontrary fromr theavowed -rndiplji~-of tse conspiriors,. commnonly' called "1Theo' these Sovereigns dbubted ?'Why, it was not. his, but that wliih they' 1idt given, themWevds& droppinig the adjective which they hidd been Pleased to prefix to it. ,(Hdwr.) Therewas but'rie vicw which could be taken -of tnat 1league of coffsprators,,and the mnotives of their ali- ante. Hledid noteicpeetthataurmeasurewouldproceed fromn these con.. spirators dlurng the cours:e'ol either the present year or of the next. year, or even of thee vear astex that, expressly designed to wvound the pride, or outrage the feelings of the people Of thiS country for .though they were prevented by many consideratidns froim plunging ha'stil Into the rmsserie_s of war-huh-te eebue vrt kp l ec i eogizn otf eignt hundred millions -sterling, (hear, hiear) ; yet'as, in the case of nrjvte,indjviduals~ there were insults which compelled themn to FbyrI~it the recognizances into whtich they ba.d entered, so also, in th'e cage of nations. tbere were circumstances so injurious to their honour, so gallinig to their pride, and even so ala'rmisg 'to their fears, as to indetOS themn to forfeit the recognizituces by which they were bound, and toun isay,reion , 'Fuae more warranted by high feeling than by *sonddi~reion 'Let the debt go; lot the storm come; we ace prepared for the worst; and hiap what hap mnay, will EubmiL no lon- grto the contumely and outrage of these oppressors of mankeind." TherefoDre, it was, hie conceived, that the imperial personages abroad would Proceed slowly and gradually. but still silentlYan surely in their infernal work; that they would not assail us by any direct and imimediate measnies, but would acciustom us by decrees to-bear, first one thing and then anothler, till atlast,when they had come to that point at whbichi we necesarily must atop we should find that iv had lost the golden pportmi~ity 6t' resistig itlem vwithl success ; and hay.. sng lost with it that which to individuals was every thing, and to na- tions almost every thing,namely, our honour,should be driven at their good time,and not at our own,toivage a long and sanguinary,&nd per- haps unsuccessful struggleg-ainast those whom we coDld have resisted successftuly had wve reslste them in the first outset of their aggres. sions. In making these assertions, he was not indulging in empty- anti unsupported d eclamatico.. -He had only to ask the house to look at the conduct of thtese crowned conspirators abroad,- and then request it to judge of wltat their intentions, and feelings, and conduict must soon be' towards us. (Hear.) He had been told during the inst session--and as4 it was a moss, important point, and one of whiich he had at most vividI recoUection, hin would proceed to it first.-. he recolletctd whiat he had been told, with a sneer of con- tempt, by a righit honoerable s6cretary, when he hiad stated to - him that according to information which he had received the allied sovereigns had comnmenced a system of unwarrant- able interferenice with the internal government of the Swiss cantons. Heliadsad at thetime thathecdid nutbelieve all the in- formation which he had received, but liad added, that if the least part of the least statemient which he had heard were founde-d upon fact, it was muchi too mjuch to be then disclosed. The right bun. secretary, in reply, contented himself with parodyiDgthe expressiozi~' whichi he had used, andl did not venture to szy, '" there is no founds- tion for such a story," which wouldl have been srtisfactory, 'or' " we Ido not ourselves know of any such thing " which to himn would have Ibeen more satisfactory ; for lie shouild Lave supposea that as the well paid inir,ster,' whom we had residing in that country, with all the intellience which it was his duty and his Ibusiness to collect, lhad not heard any thiing of such a measure., Ithiere could not be any truth in the informiation which hehbad receivecl reg-ardingit. The right honourable secretary, however, venturefito say, " If the least part of the least statement which the booh and learne gentleman lhas madle is mucli -too miuch for hiim to disclose, it may be a satisfaction to himn to know, that that least part is miuchi. more than his Alajesty's Government are informed of." From the- epi-rarfiiiatic turn of the expressions whichi the righit hon. secretary haJ then used, he had an entire recollection of the reply which he hiad then made ; and yet, notwithstanding that reply, it now turned our beyond all dispute, that the intelligence which he fiad receivetd was much more correct than that which had been transmnitted to his Majesty's Governmient : for thouigh, hithierto, he had not boon proved to be correct in what lie had asserted regarding the offer of placing Swvitzerland under the protectorate of an Austrian Prine,~ sti llie had been mnore than. borne ont by facts in what lie had asserted regarding the restrictions which w~ere robe placed upon the- freedom of its press, andI the regulations by which it 'was proposeed to senid all emnigrants out of its territories; or, i.s other woedts, by imiperial mandate, to convert Switzerlatnd, which in all formner time had been an inviolable asylum to all persons persecuted for reli gions and political opinion, into a nere province andl appanage to Austria. b5orry was he to state, hut it was a matter too important to be passed over in silenice, that those individuals wlioni the calamitieR of thieir country and the oppressioni of its rulers had induced to seek refuge in Switzerland, had been driven fromn its confines -with anl aggravation of iufferhing that was totally unnecessary even to ac-. cormpl,ish the infernal purposes of their persecutors ; and that the prsshd been put down withi a -degree of superfluous irln c for whiich it was, impossible to accounit uposi any rational prin.. ciple : for, not content with putting down those joutrnals which commnnunicatedI political intelligence, (and which, thoughi they might ?erhaps be expected to contain political discussion, con- tanditeor none),.or thoSe joutrnals of intellgence in wh,viclv,. certain nmatters of political discussion1 were mixed, - they even put down those journals of which the object wras mere literary and sci- entific discussion f'or no oilier reason that he could learn,'tban that they, savoured o? discussion, aLnd that discussion and conspiracy couldl not stand togethier. tHear, hear;) He mnight -be told in reply, that notwithstanding all these circumstances, the finance& of Swit- zerland, though smnal in anbount,'were flourishing for its extent - that its people were contented and cheerf'ul, and elmost free feue taxation ; that there was tranquillity, within, and no disturaince froni withiout ; andi yet, though all this were true, he would still call Switzerland an unhappy country, placed as it was under the beck of foreign despots, and so forced to coninive at the wrongs, which these public conspirators, against all that was free, and virtuous, and I hly,wer daly nfictinig upon the liberties of mankind. The people of Swtzerand ireaude their accomnplices, and so contrived to pre.. aerv noinalfredomwhilst practically suffering all the isidigni- tie o mst bjctslve. -By such conduce they trusted to es- cape tose e iswhc pe restistance would imamediately brihig upon them n al hygied by such obedience to the marndatesA of'thieir matr a a-atoemn.. short postponement at best-. of the ifrue h ch thy dreaded. Not was it in Swvitzerland alone that tese conssrtr made their powver to be felt and feared. In Germany they exmristd simsilar control; anid it was nat toe- mruch to say thiat they acted aspolice.-akind of royal, impperial, sand military pjlice_-Ul over the continent of Europe. indeed, they acted Iike tht unseen body which formerly exercised its influence over Germany, to couniteract principles and isractises as detestable as3 theirs. Like that unseen body, these conspirators mnst iii secret conclave to effect their objects : like them, they deliberated on their decrees in private, and afterwarels appointed inidividual asiembers to, eXecute thlem in public. For instance, sentence went for-th agairnst~ Italy, and Austria was appointed to desolate anid over-run iL. On a subsequent occasion, Spain and Portugal became the object of their rage,-and to France was allotteathe tas~k of punishing and enislaving& theam. -Un one daiy Austria, and on another France, was the powver selectemd to execute the order of this confederation of despots; ad that, woo, without any deference to us or to our interests,l (in.deed.a to our interests, it would only enhance the ment of the deed, if it were decidedfly, hostile to them), withiout any- regard to our feelings, principles, customs, or opinions ; and the bitter fruits of thern wvere reaped by their victims, or by ourselves, without any question Ileinia maide as to their effects, or- a~ny objection being urged by us as to thieir consiequiences. (Hecar, hear.) And this, he was to he told, was subject of congratulationi to the people of England. This was holdinig the balance of power, swaying thie destini'es of Europe, and executing our own purposes ,as absoluately, as wg ever did in the "m nost high and palmiv state" of our ustihual gloiy ! (Cheers.) To retuirn, however, to the point f7rom which he had digressed. 1-le had before described to the house the coimplete state of Yassala1reto which the press liad been reduced in Switzerland. If any Diman doubted of its being in a similar state of subjection and degradation ini %er. miany, he wouid mierely remind bins of what had occurred a short tituie ago in the kingdom of WVurtembarg, where a1 Meandate wasq given to the Governmen-t to suppress an obnoxious ioursil, and where the obnoxious jouirnal was suppressed accOrdinglY. He hiad beets toldt, upon authotity which he could not dispute, tha t there was nio pare of Gemirian in which the editor of' a journal durst publish any thing thiat - was calculated to give uisbrage..he would not say to the sovereign of his own country., (br that was as mat- ter of mutnicipal law and domestic arrangerm St-but to the Czar of Muscovy, the Eing of France, and tlme Emper-or of Austria-foreign powers, natural eenemies to each other, between whomnno alliance could exist that was not founded upon the prin- eciple of conspiring against the liberties of nations;, and whio lad no naors right, title, or preceden t to interfere with the press of Grermiany thani the C-ommons nf England had to interfere witlh time press of France, or to command the aupressiom Of anY ~jokunal published in its metropolis. (Hear, hear.)l lie was afraic that this was the case in Italy also. An Austrian army, as ey all kqew, had over-run that beautiful yet niise-able country. Tvhe south of istwas still oc.. -cupied by abody of 30,000 men, whilst the north-had recently wit- nesseda sc.ene of horror (loud-cries of" hear'"from all side-sof the house) of whicthetne mre-recollection made the blood curtle in the veins, and filled 'every feeling breast with the strongest emotions of disgust and abhorrence Despotism had there added new bor- ror9 to tile cruelty Which it always exhibited in executing its decree-s; andL had aggravated, by the raost ingenious barbarity the inental tortures wkichk it was in the haibit of iniflicuing on its uii.i h-appy victims. He wished not to excite the feelings o1' the bouse A by any glowing apea to their passions ; but he could not help'.~ asking them whether any language of condemnation could bh, too-' strong for a Government, whicb,when individuals had been senteilmi to death after three ve'ars' confinementenin a fortTess renss rs-~ fred,uZcuasnted with their cruise, and utioonfroptod. - . - ieeir accusers,could aftertheit relatives had undert4am .- -.iythr to apply for mercm send them back withos.-' a week's, journey hold fom themthe knowledgetluthi;st-.:ny abswer,and with- to emt aecaiW ar o tic-- o nrad been already i,, remt ia hthe-aina part ov-. ~entertce, and to change it--becouetd nort ywhenth ears lo--'~ n r ot-to protraeted imoprisoun,'ant fortten ore twO h- entyy ars l-Aaucstrian fortresses ?' (lear'.) Let them 're- flet ot te -.nend goy in -which those unhappy femlsiit hatu~jj h~lt o teirunlap~y rlktiyes. mignomace of she -'Zimmuston oftheirsent nce an sn tto z,rire at the place of teirinsrisonmet to ssetoatc~irlasrsigh, or to pay the hal ofice ofaflotin t thir leein ressasns Zlet them reflect on heesassofwatonan unect~ siriak'W to which they were who infiesed i th,;,. ...., e#n 'withbold froji thos hi a ipea I ase,rn eps xcain Th~~~~~Tis was a sample, and e w"a! 8a ttreds ,nd deepest execratimo. of what wsas dailrr y to sur not a solitary sample, of hatwasdaiy'doing ini that- coisur4cuty.lesoeo it not aF anevfnslsdyb ,- qqutreqcounty. 13espokeo a fnot ni aen i aus eldng enby vt Ftua! Iaw.t butby the presence of grioev~-ance to w ssks cu m. 1~was tnot, however, th onl grevene toV twhiCh tllee Au hirn s ecta f were exposea. It was true, t'hat torture was a.bolished lendts4f1taltherack apo lop- ger in use ; tqjt ufotnn t ea, and 'at the rack, vws Duo lop- gee en use; but simfortuatedhY the Judge qt police was invesfed rith -powe,-whto ertgabled him, if his victim di not answer ashe w i a l e tfi.Z t o n nra v e h is b s~ ie in a n y p ro p o rtio n w b ic h h e ought eon ; nar he could be - plaC6 td a dark instead of a lughts ungo ;ise could feed him on biad and water. instead of tite usual Prison allowanre;i he c-uld c0ifine him for ieri or even less da ysP iunw col, which he was authorized to render more or loss dmp andunwhoesomie, accordinf is6 thle prisner showed a greater ora less siise of the enoirusiyo hfen insother wordsa acccordiig to the h,,,tyote eObrrity o is9i$fnce: in otherwords, acce ordi ng to th esh oe sty,; ok ob stinacy , or Mtren At l of nerve o 1 his victim; and th'ss he Was enabled to ettohou by a sle though not a less effective -torrmenLtthan -the rack at dvowaslof uit ee h individual was not guiflty, ata a - acuniritvowa of'c n againstwe thoe who hod never c6mmlitted i. da eenunciat;oDj of-crime -stig those whoeen d n ev carri onsmin j it. These Oractilcs, they were aware, liad been -now carried o In Italy, under Ausn4rus aupc ite pdenec, for upwards of thr yearse In soniceasesa ths victim had sunk under- them;rn-ehers t~.culprit had bgen oe mltl wr down by his sufferings, as to have souqhst'to escape 4om thtm and life' toge- thorby onfesiguil -which he ba nee eptae;and in- wmany;, the n7earest- relationsE lk & nculpated eachother of crimnes, whc it-was sfterw&,sdpro,d ;ispoie -earest evidence, that it wasio,tboesble that-tey couldhave comenitte isL'hsMe-repeated;' was daily done it iir l under Austrian superintendcnce, mncon- OWlty tl e TUxtes[-t? nsp!Wzons *boi bSa [t ezbe&. They rieailnotoraer it to be done in Spain by the sate-l- lese France, because they had a more active andI apprcipriate ~-=tfbr their puroosesi in that coultry in the person of its helovedi 11vrh (a laugh), wvho--he defied any man to dleny it-was more :tObQject ef the contempt, disgust, and abhorrence of eivitlzed Eul- 'Mthan uny other iman now living in it. " There he is," eoniti- ~t-d the leamned gentleman, " a fit companion for the unholy band !liag rhhave rn-tored hiim to the power whiceh he hias so often used, in Order to give hinit an opportunity of' abusing it onice -t'tvt there he is, with the blootd of Riego yet dripping oni his 1~4 --cling fresh victimis fsr the scaffoldl, and ready to proceed on m~~el sulninons to the torture of the helpile!ss womern and unof- itz children whiom fortune miay hiave placed in his power. I that iri this house, as wvell as ir this country, there is only onej 'gregarding the conduct of these tyrants. Ii believe that if the Teeple an by mnan, though there might. be some iiho ~t-&it ufit o gve vent at pre-sent to suchi sentiments as I hiave d ~rigtem, there would be none to dispute thieir pro- tiey o crretnes.I believe that I miight call uipon the house 05',as di thee esus ao in the case of the tinprinsiled aggres- -On pon Naples, and writh the sam-e success. I believe that I it evntrl upon those gentlemen wrho think me unwise mn *gtedeciamtion I have done, and put the question to thiem, neafr antervithout any fear as to their answer--do yoA, or do LInoU bhr h whole coijduct, character, and principles of those '~Prtr,who are now exerting their utmost power to degrade .me tuO-.4ignIt of man, to bring back the times of intellectual ness,n to dluge thec fsirest plains of Europe with thie blood of 'rho OPpossed themselves to the comnpletion of their intamous de- ~~"(nCher-ing.) The learne-d gentleman then remiinded the * 5,that it behoved it to consider the difficulties into thre ratenot policy of the continental mionarchit was cal-. at-overy distanit period to plunge ie couintry. Owve-insensible we bad shown ourselves to the ag-gres. ion uaponi Old Spain, it appeared that we were likely, to be a little O~ enstie t ay aggression upon LNew Spain. He knew; that nerowas pary i th state-he trusted an insignificant on-hich ea.el "lt raCe rule old Spain-let all the resoiurces oIf that ~tinuro-u. ndonce powerful nation be placed in the hands of an-t enm and-rival.-let all the sea-coast of Spain, wvith its ni abuaand arsnals, be in hier undisturbed and undis. Mted cnrl-e her have possession, as long ak she pleases, of bspraoSpain from wlhich an enemny can most easily invade el.d..htcountry in, which, as the hoin. seconde" of the ad-! ha elremarked, it lias long been our plan and our eyto keep the peo pIe divided aLnd disconnected-let all the advan. reofSpain, natural as well as adventitious, after they have been- -proved to the utmnost by the intellect of France, a power the least hma-ted in Europe to n'elect tlem,bempodagis us - let' this be done; still all tedanger that can arise from them is a 'ntapprehension, an idle fear, if wve do quarrel with France, it no mtter wehave beat her once, when shie viasa mightie-r than lici ~&,~iilifneed conic, we can beat, and will beat her again." Ul ~i ~ be vry true; w-e miight, and he trusted we shouldt 5rrees~'i.nsuc astruggle. still he thought it mnight be as well avoi evn te cuseof uarel,in a case wvhere, if' quarrel did r, w mus necssarly rn upa bill of' 100 millions, to say no. hin oftheman thusad lveswhich must be sacrificed during ta cntiuane, t was all very well that such a calamity-for war adra i-ercursitaces was a calamitv-should happen, wbere b-a ell as the interest of the couinrc was at stake;, but ifi ere to occur, we shoulId not allow our adversary to take ipsted possession beforehanid of every advantage that was cal.. .ledto animoy us. Somne individuals, however, acted-and 'e was not now alluiding to hig Majesty's ministers-as if hr h,onour of thr! countn-v were not worthy of regard, anti as iem interest were the onily legitimate cause for its engaging iwar. They considlered that our hor.o3urhailnot beta tairnishedlbv e agresio ofFrance on Spain ;, yet they saw our dearest inte. e~ enanirred v the very suggestion that a similar aggression was anteclredbyFrance upon SpanishbAmenica. Their language al- nowt aone to this-- I care not for miy character, I value not in hosno-Tr- but touch In y poCket, and you touch my life. Touchl hlat ,ou sill, but for Go's sake toucli not the colonies; if you do, 'on t.ouch the manufacturers of England; vyo place you'rself in o!lision with one of our most delicate interests," and, as some said, biou.-h he aszain repeated not his Majesty's miniisters, "1 You give Lscause- and miake it rime- for us io arm." fie ctisld not undter. trad by what misapplication of ingenuity, or by wvhat subtilty of aIrgu'nent, those men could persuadle themselves that we had a right :0 i'retes, a,gainst the aggressions of Franice upon South Ame. ira after we had not uttered a waond of protest agains,t hier aggres- ions upon Spain. A,'t the presenAt moment the colonies belonged (le svi- to Ferdinand. According to the doctrines adivancedI by Franice ~efrmnr shie invaded Spain. he was not more ouit of possession of Allex. than he was out of possession of Madrid. It was to relieve him -am the poser of the C-onstitutionalista, and to restore himi to Ills hihtc auhritv in Spain. that French troops were marched into pain. VhRia piretext was not quiarrelled with, and what was thiere o p-t-vent a similar excuse frini. being as good in the case of AeSins inAericas as it had been in the c:mse of Old ~si p leide. t might be asked, had not Ferdinand a right to -chc oonies whic -were undoubtedly his before the com. ncesment of the war? To that qluestion he knew that the right nourable -ecr-etarv Opposite bad given a decisive answer. In one i-f is tat paprs e hd sad, Tun, and the couirse of' events, kspear o haveeubaranially ecidedthe separation of the co.- Fene-sft-m he othr ounry. Bt he would ask, had nor I tmeandth cors o evnt," t hetime of the French lava. io,moDre "s'sb%tantiallv' decided that the Spanish constitutiton lesthe constitution of thiat country ? ad niot it resisted all the at- anipts of mu. asalnts, fromi its establishment in 1820, down to the T'ear 18M3 The fact was beyond dispute. Until Frenth gold and %'e-nch intrigue set uLp the Army of the Faith, thte.ronstitutional Go. t-er-nnent of Spain was clearly, an independent Government; indeed, thad been recognizedt more than once by our own cabinet, and had isecn more formally recognized several years before by rthe inpermial autocrat c-i Russia hiimseli'. If 'we ever went to war o prevent France front taking, possession of the former en. onies o pan, thre would be an inconsistency in our policy, hehich aubtto be rcndiled, but which, in his humble Opinion, it Ivud beyodthe wit of mAan to reconcile. He knew that he less1 expesn the hope of every man in the country., when he said lhrh oe hat thec colonies of Spain would never, under any cir. kamstances, retur under the domiinion of the mother country, ches,no matter whether she was to exi3t under a constitutional Iaverrnmeznt, or an absolute despotism, or whether Englandl, France, ~wRsi,was to hold t he preponderating power in her counisels. trusted that the inconsistenc.y whichi lie had pointed ouit in our nohci adited f ecociiaton but whether it could or not, sen 'Ztdta we should not neglect our duty to Amecrica, althotrign badgrosl neletedit owidsSpin. 1The question,liowever, e'i-h rgar toSouh Aeria, e blieed,wasnow disposed of, or ~serlyso oran ven ha rcenly appne, than which no an Englishman, connLetedi by ties of bloodanlngaewt ~4.merica, rook peculiar pridle and satisfaction-anevn,hrpatd lied happened which was decisive on the subject; adta-vn a hit sp.eech andmesg of the President of theUtdSaeso I~ongreas. The line of policy which that speech tlisdosed became a nmes, a free, and an independenit nation, and he! hoed that wec Should be prevented by no mean pride, no paltry jealousy, frolm fol- I wn unblendiluros an example. lJi trusted tlhat as the ,Q'edSatshad had the glory- of setting, we should hiave the goodl ~a=i to follow, the examiple of holding rast by free institutions, and lfsisigour brother freemen, in whlatever pare of the globe they --rsceddin brLing boundn tothe ol imporluois owlinc deghingii for unced,din plaing boundst thatol imrldouisaline owhih dgaifni evel, would not hbsitate to attemnpt to mnaster the new world too. Cheers. On this point there was no Occasion to have recourse to Injeae s they had facts before them. Ferdinand biad been ex- Messlvtold hi the Euiperor Alexander, that if he would throw the consu3tutiontal fetters by which he was trainimiellefl, he 1.-cold assis,t bins to recos-er his trans-Atlantic dominions. in thisi -sether would send out no nt-my, they would equip no fleet, e-vD would no1t appear to take an actiye part in the stniiggle;- but' oaey' m'udtost assuredly,give assistaiace,in an underhandI and covert ninir, tothe efforts of the Spanish Governtment. Treasure would .ep,ivately supplied; armis and amnmunition would be senat out, se- ,retly, but un the abundanqce required to meet ithe views of Spain; ,-d. shoe-all, that wvould be done withi respect to Southi Ame- -ira, w,bich had already been successfully practised in the i'enin- hula; bodies of intrigtuers, amply supplned with money, woultd be mtour; the priesthood of the c~ountry would be found mnoat will. nng allies in Creating suspicion and sowing dissension ; and [nless an eftbetual resistance were made (and to expose the lamn-~ in the first instance :was; the inost ellectual seep to- :ards resistance), those coloniies would be again brought un. irthe iron rule of the m-other country-. If the declaration if Xinerica did not, as he hopel it would, put an end to those ,rcrnpts on tie independence of the colonies, if a vigorous resistance ,ere nor opposed to three machinations, soorer orlater their liberties I oaldsl fa asacrifice to the intrigues of' Spain and of the allied ,we,e-s (Hear.) He could have wi;hed that the hon. mnover had couitWe one expression which had fallen froni him in the course of .~iis peech., He alluded to that part in wvhichi he spoke of the an. ocrnatae termirnation of the contest in Spain, and to the little ze. liaranee whirh hadl been unade by the Spanish people. Hle would ~stthen enter inito an inquiirv, whether that result was oc. nrsionedl by the influence of ioreigu pwers, or by the con- ctuet the people tbem,;elves. iUndoubtedoly, blunder hadl been u~u~The want of asettled. constitution,.' andl somewhat of a ~%aspoilicy, le men, ini a crisis of affairs delicate and eri. tical beyonld all pras~io-as exaurphe, to stand on form, when they [bri-rther have attended to substance; added to this, were the qjrofrbe priestbemol, whosec mischlevoi-s influence was deeply to sMcntend in Old Suain. oIf these internal evils, aggravated by amygge-sSlon. thme hiberticsiof Spain became the victim. (Hiear.) -aterna. -. to those distinguished individuals whio had h?eft that C'uitv, oaoi,..tr~,,r,,which they niust have experienced had -rimained in it, it tn2-,i beamte by all parties, that they ~-edEon'. he co~t wth .,-ids unrstained witlh blood, sand withi ~epOtaOOsuntintd een by the ;,,ath ofsuspicion. (Hiear,hear.) (~vpossrasca not resouirces to save Spain, but they had more than ~inlernoucestosave themseves fromn contuuisilY (Hle-ar, hear:) mhcaepeatmeniad retie,sbett no charge, but consin- ~-cu orinsthonst,illustriu,adn this country, he hoped, ignure poert, hich they preferredt wealth, when acquired an banOittttiof principle. (Hear,ha. Ie lioped to God ~~aithe wcsidfind whrevr tey ent,tesm sympathy and who had squandered such sums of money on pro- that were worse than useless, might well exter,d the - ,d of assistance to those high-mninded men; and he wished x, hoped tO see the day when they might do justice to their [r_hcpndentments, by treating them in t'hat generous way which br-irtue d esea-ved. (Bear, hear.) He begged pardon for detain. i-r the houte by addremesiu them atsuch length.. (Hear.) Be had, 1?,eed, ocupied a much longer time than he at first intended; but ,e felt so strongly oa WiUe of the points introduced by the hon. lnoi^eirhis.9eech, that lie could not avoid noticing them. He ould only atdd, that thle PlIaszure which lie felt at the admission kntained in the concluding part of the speecb, was as great as the o,-tifirioa he experienced in having discharged his duty by enter- Ig his protest apainst other portions of it. I ar, hear.) t i5?r. CANNING said, he rose wit some degree of diffidence, be- .Ife he had not preiously intended to pi-sent himself to thehouse InMuediatcly after the bon. and learneA gentlemasa, in consequenceof b impression created by a rumour bhich he had heard, namely, bt ;It was the intention of soa3e hon. r-enaber on the other side to ,,2 an amendment to the addres&. However, as that intention no,etd ziot to be entertained, and altht ugh the hon. and le;rned gen. had thrown no obstaqle In the way of that practical conclu. Ke,nD which tie beieved the house would arrive, yet there were y 6nts in his speech, which it wou1M be 'neither re. 'idf to the house, nor just towards his Majesfy's Go. t, to pas8 over iu silene Whattver mnight huve fto= the ou. seconder,which appered objectionable to the lion, andI learnea gent., he (Mfr. Canning) 1iIuSt reqtlest:, in fal;aesa, thst the whole of his speecs shosslel be considered toehl -a i't should not be taken in its separate topics, but should be viewed with reference to the general tenoner of the matters unsder consideratioln, and to the generalistate of the country in all its relations. He en- tirely agreed in the sentiment, that thte present wiLs not the moDenit to consider the best advantage, or with reference to the immnediate business ot the day, the by-gone questioni of the policy vhich hiad becai adopted towards Spain. That question nunst refei~ SOILIY to the address, carried in the last session of Parliament-be need not sae' withi how large a majority, or with how general a coni- curtrence of thte public voice throughout the countyy. Trie policy then recommended had been strictly atloDted, and the. events whichi wvere then in progress hadl now b~e'e brought to a conclusion. It was impossible for the speech from the throne ta omiit all notice of that subject, and it was equally iThpossible to have noticed it in a mannier less calculated to revive e-tingruished feel- ings, or to excite any of those angry emotions to whichi themitro- duction of such a topic might be supposed to lead. Ile was not in- clined to follow the criticism of the honoiurable and IearnedI gentle. man, who hadi gone over the wvhole of the speedsi of' the honourable mover ; situiated as hip was, any other person would be moreproper to undertake that task than himself ; and therefore he should not en- ter into a discuission as to the cauises to wbich were to be attributed the failure of the eflorts which had been recently made in Spain. God forbid thatt he shouldl extilt over thc5q who had been discomnfited-. God forbid that he shiould utter an unkind sentiment towards thOse who wvere now mouirninig in, anguish over their defeated hiopes, and whose misfortunes no individual talent, virtue, or exertion, could avert. Undoubtedly, the issue of that contest miust have been seen to depend on events and circumstanices which nio human being could estimate with certainty or confidence. Onie great consideration wvas, the deg-ree of suppoit which the existing constitutioinal system was liltely to receive from the feelinigs and affections of thie people of Spain-that people on whom it had always been said so much dependence migzht be placea. As this country had not a-sy thing to do w-ith the' struggle-es his MajestY's Governmen't felt that a strict neutrality wafs th'e wisest a-nd best course_he was prevented fromi stating what thle op inion of mlinisters were With respect to that constituitional system. 11e w11as not desirous ta paint out its defects--he was not deairous to posint out its unfitness in many respects for that country-he was not desirous to point out hiow far it was unsuitable for monarchical anidCatholic Spain. It had failed; ada wvith its failure a state of thlings had grown up respecting whiebi, standlingin the situation he then held,he would not utter an opinion.lt was, howeve!r, satisfactory to state, that in the contest foritsestablis,h. inent, no Brittsil army, no British navy, no Britbilh treasure, wasL employed. So far as this country was concerned, the Spanish peo- ple were left to act for themselves. Then came the question, for what purpose wvere thley to htave initerfered, and to what extent was that interference to proceed ? It was not merelY necessary that ihey should send fleets, end armies, and supplies to Spain; h ut, to have been of use, thley must also htave carried into that couintry unans- mit)' imes and confidence-qualities, ofaloteswhc stranlgers never carried into a state where they were about to emplIOY their aruis, (hear)-qlualifles which, mnoney, fleets, and armies hav- ing been) suppliedl, the people must, after all, acquire for themselves. (Hear.) Now.if unanimity and confidence -reqoiisites so necessary for carrYing on the conitest--did not exist, was it possible, even with our assistance, that the effort to establish the constiruttonal system could hiave succeeded ? or that anv thing beyond a protraction of ithe strug- ule wouldlhave been effectea? But tlechon. and learned gentleman had connected the affairs of Spain with another question, w,hich wa~s nor et ecied ad h cofessd tatie could not understand how it as ossbletha tis ounry oul rise a barrier against the invaion f Sanis Amricaby forignstate, uinless she was pre- pard t exrtherpowr aaist he arwhich France waget( with Spai. Bt th ditincionwas eryplain. Precisely on the samie priniple that thley determineti not to consitder the internal affairs of Spain as a fit . 13iect for their interfeirence, thecy would' be jtustified in ureventing foreign powers from interfering withi the affatirs of the colonies. They must coonsider the mother tountry and the colonies, according to the peculiar circumstances of the case ; and lie mnust say, that there never was an instance in the history of tlhe world, where the sepamation of dhe mnother country and the colony hiad taken place, where a neighbburing state haid not a clear righit fo exercise its jutdgment on the qtuestion of recognition. Undoubtedly the mothercouintry might protest against that recognition; and it was equzally clear, that the foreign power, while in a state of' friendship with the mother country, lhad nlo right to give that aid to the colony, which was not recognition, but support and encouragenient. it miight be clificuilt to state the point whiere the period of recognition should conmnence-where the rewgrnitton would niot be connected with previous encouragement, and where to withliold it wouild be unj'ust. ilut wlhen that periodI arriveA, it was not the- state in wvhiirh thec mlother country then steod that should influencee the decision. It must rest on its own peculiar grounds, without taking into considera. tionl whether the cotistitution or the titother coiuntry was a mitigated mionarchy, as wavs the former constitution of Spain, or a monarchy of amore absolute and unlimiited natu-re. The question.he repeated,1 imust be decidetedon its own specialimerits, and with atireference to the constitutional changes which Spain herself had undergone.' If they wecre prone to deal with others as others lhad dealt witih thiem, there wouldI be no necessity for so mpuch caution and forbear- ance. They had only to look back to the loss of their ewvn colonies, in. Amnerica, andI they would see that othiers did not lhesitate to deal wvith them in a manner very different from thiat which they had adopted. (Hear, hear.) But, not to do precisely as we lhave been donje by, huxt to do as we would be done by, veas.the true politicalI as Well asmnoralmpaxim. (Hear,hear.) Thelhonourable and learn- ed gentlenian observed, that if they were nowv to recognize the inde- pendents of Souith America, they wouild otily be following the exam- ple wvhichi hail beenl set in another quiarter, alludIing to the Mlessage of the President of the United States. In sonic ot' the prin- ciples there laid down, he entirely agrted ; and hte mighit he per- mitted to say, that, long before the nesae ws sent fortli, it wvas distinctljadmnitted, in thiestate papers ef7. Get intath question between the mnother country and the colonies wats nor a fit subject for foreign interference; b'ut he did nlot agree in the prhin ciple that the parent state had not a right, if she c-ould, to recover hier Own) colonial dominijone. (Mfr. B tiughaini motioned, that suchi aprinciple wvas not laid down.) In the paper to whiceh the hon. and learned gentleman referred, there was a passage which mDany indivi- dual-s construed in that way, arnd he certainilv understood the hon. and learned gentleman soto have given it. flewas clearly of opi- nion with the President of the United States, that no foI- reign state had a right to interfere pending the dipute be- tween the colonies and the mother country ; but he was as strongly of opasion, that the motlher couatry hiad a right to attempt to re- cover her colonies, if she thoughitproper. At the samnetime,lhe was not blind to the dlifficulty of making such an effort with a pr-ospect of success. I.ooking to the question in this point of view, and lie thloughit it was; the correct one, it appeared to himi- that it wouild be unkind, unjust, uiifair anti, he wvould add unigenerous, if this. coutitry had not affbrde3 an interval, to allowt gpain ati opportunitv of selecting that course which appeared to be most beneficiail for hbir colonial in'terests. He conteiided thiat Great Britain would have acted unfkirlv and ungenerously, if', while Spain was convulsed by a dreadf'ul stCrug;le, whbile thewbole foiceof'the country was absorbed in acilvil war, (one of the parties in that war having called in a foreign arniy.) reat Britauii would, uneer such crcunmstances, hiave acted unfairly if site lied taken advantage of this untoward slate of things to niake an inroad on thec colonial possessions ot her ally. Even if the time and opportunity, were wholly loct, still hie mut t re- joice that they were suff'ered to go by, anid thiat naothing was attem-pted tbedon _uftil Spain was as miuch in posession of herself, after the contusion into whichi site had been thrown, as it was possible for hser to be. Even on that p3art of the speech fromi the throne. he thought the lion, anti learnied gentlem-an would bestow his appioblaton, it hie calmily consideredI it. What was there stated ? Ten mionths ago, in a paper laidI on the table of that house, it was statedl that the situation of those independent states depen'ded in a great mea- sure on external circumstances. Now, a fter a lapse of tea menths, when Spain wvas restored to her power as substantially as sbe couild be, under her peculiar circum'stances, comre this speech fromi the thirone, which told the house, - that his Majesty had re- served to hiimself an unfetteredeliicretion of, acting towards thiose co- lonies, as their circumstances an(l the interest of hlis owni people aiught appear to require." The hon. and learnied gentleman surely did not wsA,nt hlis (Mr. Canning's) interpretation of thlis passage- lie knew thuemieantng of it to be, that liis Majesty had! declinied overtures for any joint consideration of this subject-that he had kept hiN discretion comnpletely unfettered on a question in whiich Ilie felt that the interests of' his people were concemned-that hie bad entered into no comiptomise, and1was perfectly aLt liberty to act "as the circumstances of those countries and the interests of England mnighit requirme." (M4ear, hear.) Wrhat more pould the country de- sire. under these circumnstanices, but that a questlion of'suchl isiagni- tude should be temnperately and fairtly considered? Ilie wvould ap-. peal to any man, however eager he mighit be for the accomplishmnent of his wish in this respect, wvhethier t~hey did not act honourably to- wards thesdlves and generously towards Spain, in allowing this delay? W%as;it nut just"tha-ta pause shouldbhegranted to theparent state, durinic which she might have the advantage of learning Chic sentiments of the different piowers of Europe ?- Could any one doubt, that by allowing this pause, by suffering this subject to be temperately discussed, by giga Pportunity to SPain her- self', perhaps, to acknowl~redg'Je thend'ependence of those states, they dlid not bestow a greater boon on the colonies than thec immlediate recognition of England wrould bestow on them ? And would not such a pause reaider any step which they might them. selves hereafter takce niure proper and mnore efficient ? W.ould it not appear to be sucli a step as might be justified both in the eyes of God and man, as the best and inost prtudent that could be ado'pted ? Suchi,renmfly,wss the fact as, he had stateid it. A prcoposition had beet, made by the Governmient of Spain to the Government of this coun- try, andL an answer had beets returned. That answer was on the road to Madrid ; and alicr it hadl been disposed of, the ditne would arrive whtn Government wouldl be enabled to speak wvilt miore ex- plicitness. (Hear.) lie did apprehend with the hon. and leariieti gent., that of all the topics on 'whh the speechi touched, this was the miost important. He migh,ehas except one-on which, as the honourable sand lernd et lma ad not no- ticd t, hesholdalo rman slet, s iehatd no wish to povoe unecssay dscusion Hebehcve tlat the sub- jec oftheSouh Aerian olnie wa soproinet i de minds, feelngs an wises f te cuntr, tat e wae prfetlyjustified in puingit frwad ashe hd dne i thelitle wich ie ad felt it necesar toaddessto he ous. A tothe general question, with respect to the station in which this country stood towards Eutpe and the world, he would make a very few observations. Jn usimg that phrase, he felt that it was perfectly applicable to the time in which they lved. When. he.spoke of Europe and the world, the phrase had reference to Europe and Americs-the old world and the new, the different interests of which must be nicely balanced by every person who wished to attain the eharacter of a British statesman. iHe could not take to hinself the praise usich the hon. muover, in addressing hiasself to this point, had conferred on the Government; but he niust on the other hand repel the blame which the hon. and leamed gentleman had cast on his Majesty's ministers, and contend, that England stood inas proud a situation to maintain her just rights_to maintain lier own proper interests-that lshe was as m.uch courted, as much respected, and that her opinion was as anxiously desired by other powers, as -had ever been the case. H3e sireed, indeed, in-the observation of the hon. and learned gcntleman, that she was not now in the same state as she had been in sorae other periods of her history. v But why wat this ? Because the whole state of the world had changed,_ because (whether it . were right or wrong, he would not en- quire) there were now great preponderating powers which pos- smscd within tbeniselves more strength and resources than they could command in former,times-more strength, perhaps, than ought properly to belong to them ; but as those elements were in being, they were compelled to deal with them in propertion to their weqght and importance in the general system. hlinisters were. taunted ,for the patience with which they viewed the conduct of those powers. They were taunted we account of the internal abuses which existed in those countries (hear, hear); but he should be glad to kntow at what time it was customary. to interfere in the in- ternal regulations oT foreign states ? Se would look back to the reign of-Kiag William or Qeen Anne, ana he would asls if ans alliance were thean iade wit,h the tkisperor;f many or with the most de o711cprince that ceve sit onthtltheolp, wbether tie ontheneotitio, ecase heyha en4re-.into a compact withthesoveeig of contr, th costittio ofwhitich was oft~ - Of one entire anil- perfect c'hrysolite." They must deal wvitb the world as it was: thley could.not figure and faishion it to suit their own convenience. Was it poiy, be demanded, to hold no communion except withi stte whic possessed free con- stitutions. If it were so, then our al:iances mnusth-e extremely nar~- rowedi indeed ? If there were to be no alliatice4vith those+&vo were termed despots, would they evrer have been able to have oVerthroWn thlat colossulsoftdespotism, before whose throne almnost the wholeworld 1- ad bowed the kinee? (Hear.)Thehon. and learedmemberhad stated, that thiings were ~oing on in Austria anid Italy which were suffi- cient to make one s blood run cold. He (Mr. -Canning) confessed he was ignorant of such transactionis; huthe belirved he kew suffi- cient to ditect his inin& totheprocced(ings towhicUbthehon.andlearned m ember alluded. Trials for conspiracy, he understoed, had taken place at Milan, convictions hadfollowed, andsent,eggps ad been pronou'nced. Thie testimony might be false, the witness --mighit hiLve been per-. juiued;, thejuidgesnmighi be-'~rrupt. Helieidotitknow that this was thecae, uthe oud venasumeittohave been so.; and even if it adbee s, dd he io, ad earedgentlegn mean to say that thi cunty as heefre o rea of ithi A -ria ? WVhatwas to be dne he ishd t knw) ithAusria inthevie ofthe hon. andleanedgenlean?Howwasthega whch er bsecewould leav tobe flle aftr w hadlos her Wee weto bolsh her as- a power, or to take up arms against her, because her internal ar- rangements didl not meet our appiroval ? Or were.we, in our alili- ances, to consider the political relationsof thepeculiarstatewe leagued wvith-its leading features of power and interest-the body of the state itself, without going inito the analysis, or trying the expediency- of in- cidental laws end practices which our better judgcment, perhaps, or happier constitution, might teach us to look at with abhorrence ? He Cthe i~igbt lionourable secretary) believed, however, that the honour- able and learned gentleman was mistaken as to -the faects upon this subject. He knew, certainly, that two of. the chliefs, of the consp3iracy (of whose guilt he neither measit- nor was compe- tent to Iudge) hand received the mercy of the Emperor of Aus- tria-.andl not withotut a struggle on the part of somne persons Who were of opinion that such lenity ought not to hiave been ex- tended-after they had been condemnned to death upon their owns confession. Certainly, if the honourable~ind learned gentleman in this transaction imputed any severity to the Austriani Government beyond the due administration ofthelaw,he (Mr. Canning) decidedly believed that he would find himself nistakaen. The lion. gent. spoke ofimprisonmnents, of dungeons, and extorted tonfessionis;buitthe fact waLs, thrat bythelaw of'Auistria-(a law which he did not mean to upholfld)--y the law of that country, no- criminal could be exe- cuted unless he did confeass his gtuilt. Such a coutrse mighlt seem strange to us, whbo wrere accustomed, not unfrequenitly, to see men hanged with protestations, of innocence upon their lips ; and at the first blush it seemed a humane coqrse, though he (the right hon. secretary) thought it absurd-first, because the desired confes- sion, whben obtainied, might niot be true andI ngain, because the evidience mixht be suchi as to render confession unnecessary. But, while he guarded- himself ,against being undlerstoodl, lbor he did not thinik it wvas his daty, either to vindicate the conduct of states with whichi circumstances might throw the country into alliance, or to imake himself master of this or that particular trial with whichi those states might be connected-.-whilst he guarded him- self aginst being taken to be standing up for, or explaining, or de- fenlding the coaduct of Austria in these particular proceedings ; yet, if other nations judged of us as we took uuon us to judge of" them, what imputations might not be cast upon this couintry merely on 4c- count of the late horrible prorzedings at Hertford ? (Hear.) W"hat migt1nt be said abont public euiogiums upon the hardihood and consistency of aconvicted, unconfessing murderer ? If it were to besaid. abroad tlirt the British poople were ad"nrers of the murdlerer Thur- tell, wotild not such a criticismn be as fair as that of the hon. and learned gentlemnan opposite? 'T~he next point to which he would advert-and lio should do it in a wvord-was the observationi of the honourable and learned mnember opposite upon his question last ses- sion about Switzerland. The answer which lie (M1r. Canninig) had giren to that question, he had given at the time, in perfect since- rity; and whien the lionourable gentlemnan said that he ought to have been better informed (by so well paid a mission) upon the sob- ject, that argument certainly, did not apply ad hrntinem., whatever othier mierits it might lay claimf to. If the quantity of information derivedl,was ro depend upon. the payment of the mission, he, upon that principle,oughtnot to have been informed,forheliad reduiced tberosAtsof the mission by one half. ("H Iear',"and laughter.) In polnofat however, lie had not heen informed in the sligbtest degrea tof at tltereportsv in question, when he had given, his answer to that effect to tlie-hon. and learned gent.; and it was only en going to his office about a quarter of an hour after, that he had found the same detanil of facts, upon Ihis t,isble whiichi the lion. genit. had opened in his speechi =onig, perhaps, from thie very same source from wvhich thie had com o th;e hon. gent. As to the reports of an Austrian P5rince having been in view at any time for Svitzerland, he believEd there was not a shadowv of trtitli in the story. For the charge of harbour- ina conspirators,and the remonstrances,he would only say thus much- that if the accusations had been true, theremonatrapcea, were justifia- ble. But hebelieved that both the hon. and lear-nedgent. andhhimself hadheen miLsled in what that statementof facts, as it was called, con- tained and that a great part of the stories ciseulated abroad had been foundedI upon the solicitations of ill-disiposed persons in Switzerland herself', who desired-and there were somie whom he k-new to be capale f sch purosewhodesredto bring the great Powers of Euroe upn thir ounty; bcau ey theytheselve, in the ob- jecs o soe prtiula fatio, hd een defteted. The niiore lie thoghtupo th sbjet, he orehewas convinced that such hud bee th fat ;andas o te AstranPrince, he believed such an ide ha neer xised ut n te bainof the drawer up of those state papers whici had furnished hima with his information as well as the hon. and learned gentleman opposite; and had, In fact, teasedI every C~ourt in Euirope whiich would look at the writer's lucu- brations. With respecttti Germany, as iegaffea those circumstanices uponI wh"ieh the hon. and learned gentleman had- commented, he crtainly could hardly conceive a more incOnvenient arrangemecnt titan that po wer of the Germuai Diet to interfere with all the states of which germanv was composed. But the inidependent state (Wurtcmberg) to 'which the hon. gentleman alludled-this inde- pendent state which had been interfered with, was part, let it hc recollected, of' the German Federation. He himself thought the pfiticiple was bad; but it was not fair to call an apprication of it a~ flagrant outrage. Tue power in question might or mighit not, have been exercised improperly, as regar-ded a particul1ar; but still it was the la W. And, even under any circumstances, was it to be saidi 'a,wherever there had been an imnproper interference with a pat- raigraph in a newspaper, we-England-were to blot out that state from Europe, and to say we would have no allance with it ? The lion, gentlemlan must give up the old world, end look only to the new, if he -seant to establish suchi a principle. He knew that it was maintained by-some, that England ought to set herself tip as at barrier for all Europe to principles of despotic monarchy ; hut lie could tinot be persuaded thal it was the policy of Bngland to dlo light] v any act which miighit plunge herseLf' and all Eurolpe into a bloody and unceasing war. Of all the wars-tend unihappily we had experienced but too many varieties% of themn-of all the wars which we had seen, 3nd which had broughit desolation in their train, the wars of opinion had been decideLdly the moast fatal ; and a single spark flashing unhaippily fromn the hasty zeal of England, might lighit up) a conflagrationi on the continent, which no after exertions could extinguish..might lead to a conitest of opinions and.principles which wouldI divimde all the nations of Europe, and only terminaLte, probably, at last, with the total destruction of one of the conteaiditig lamctions. WVas, this then, an object for England to aimn at? W as [Ihia lo be laid dowvn as the intent by which Mvinisters wereto regulate their condtmct ? Or might they be allowed to say that their object wvas peace, he the coniponen ts of that peace more or less perfect ? To see Englanid moeving kteadily on in her own orbit, witlitout looking too nicely to the conduct of the powers in allance with her,-to see her content with hier own glory, and by that glory exciting other nations to arrive at the samie advantages which her wCuliar system bestowetd ulon heir, but not, by a wild crusade, ore eneaVOUr to fiol`e those advantagespon free cou ntires, converting blessings into curses as respectedthm and eourting danger and aifficulty as regarded hierself ? It was this course which he (the right hon. secretary) took to be the true poiy of England. It was with this view to peace, wbile peace might bemainirtained, that Government had acted, and was pre- pared to act. But it did not follow because tbev forbore to seek for dif. rerence, that when it came, it would not find them on the alert; orr that the strength which had slumbered would he the less effective when called into action' (Hear, hear.) Ife did not know (Ilir. Canniing continued) that in what had fallen from the boa. and learned mnember o,pposite, there were aniy. points farther, on which he needed to detain the house; but he would just say a very few words, with reference to those observations about Ireland wvhich had been made by, the bonoierable seconder of the addre-ss at the conclusion of his speech. As to Iteland, he wished it shiould be understood that his sentiments' were what, they had ever been. He retained all his old opinions witth respect to that country; and fuilly believed, that sooner or later, those opi- nions would miake their way in Englad;bte ifre from the opinions which hadl been laid downr bytehoobead learned gentleman opposite. There was no or hc,nprlaeitx oratory, waRs more bandf-ied about thnteor"ncsitcy anid, in general, he who hre nte ih htoec i'o measure the consistencyothacueby his own, but ysm r bitrary standard that he coet e p Now it ml h ea b surd opinion to hold, taintepeetstsopuicflng in England, the Catholic coneso l o (ouetecmo ar- ,lance) be carried as a "government" questio,adttth pubicien) of the country did not afford mate-rial for aadistton nited upon that point, sad uo other questions tpramuthprtrCC. But if thatopinion of iswas absurd it wa nta pno f the present day ; it was the opinioirwhicb he hdawy xrse in that house; and "6inconsi.stericy," as, liooet,ateifei not froinothers, butfroimoneself'.The,hon.gent.,b hwvrontheoppsite benh, houht t epedentto harEmbis with inconsistey ai condct ithtesect o te. athlicquestion ; aitlbyrtea whimicalchoce, heyhad aidlucI ofthat particuilar..eiodfl liubiclfeiwhihheadeioyd te aplestopportunitv forshowing whathissenimens uon hat '.mstin ra]l were. Ittwas sgid of' him tht i th yer l1~ e hd ben illngto ~ become ato an auinisratio wbth *asto insis of he h[r __u a Welles ley and himsstelf, and other gentlemen on tel, same aide of the house ;a that that administration *ou)d hna ve been an uhmiistitration nnied UPOn the Catholic questanlanis d that thereibre itwas inconsistiof.y for Iiim to act with au~f government othierwise- constituted. Now,. whoever night be the iistorian that -had referred .e this passage of hbis (Mlr. Canning's) life, he had looked, by some accident, at only, part of the traiisactiovp' If he had examained one side of the page as caurefully ahie h4 perused the ot.er, he would have found vton- tinued the right honouiable Secretam'y) " that in the year 1812, [when his Royal H'ns'h-PneRgn intrusted toLIordWVel.. lely n mysel teas'k of formiing a Governmenit, the- stipula- tion oIf Lord Weliesaley wias, that he shomsl& malke proposals to some. of th~e gentlemen on the -opposite side; add say stipulation-gwhat was it ? Wahs it -a exclude the Protestant. faction; as -it is &leled; altogether ? No; but it wais -thatt I shioola be at libp-ty-t6 make "otosaL or ai'verpool, which, accordingly, I diV'-Such, then, nodobwhen hi e rih bi Sccretaryls) ejipressioss of his opinions no;whe heba eencaled pontoDiia gaovernment,, but to formI one. It wa-sttldethatLordLiverpool bastflleciedtalring office with: that governmelnt and also that he ldrmaelf haLd ;Yiot thoughtf it necessary 1-'upon that refusal, to give thip thing up - 5Ut ~h. choice had- ike a govereetcopsdo nieeeenik;. and JIis opinion was stiU, - that if the Catholic qaestimsn-was to be car-z~ nied, it woT1td- be canuied,by an almninistratio.n which mnadeIt. notia (iovernnie4t question. -bitt ageneral one. ie did stWi ope thsatthel prj _cso ngland might in time- be reasned dtiwn; a hti time 1the Catholjc questioin might fi6d - that'-support ia' the country- whih h~vs srr tosa~Isdidno thnkitfound at tesenL, CyI whaevA'landorat hatVe peio,thstque$tiOM3miAd.beblrogbt forweilit oul recivfroshi1 wethee'iror out!-of offce, the. besteuppst wichhe culd aveit. 'gut it would still find b~ia~lcvi~ - hat ~thi~ ~es tob1C Ofimd by DtlsUDS io d"Y thipeiat inl the way of a ge-Verrunerit question; and that i if-that were-cesaty) heirklid ;;t, moreover, exist mraterials at the present mometnt suftident to foros in administration concurring upon that subject, and updi' others also on which it vPould be ne- cesstry for them to agpe. He had tnid, and he meant to keep his word, that he- would,ot?itavel into any -part of the speech which had not -been toutbehe upon by the htnourable and learned gontlenaft (Mr. Brougham). There was one mest important point in it, whirh he should therefore leave at rest, feeling that It was not because its value was underrated that it had for the present been passed b' the geutlemen on the other side. Tht speech of the honourable- p cd learned member opposite had gone chiefly to matters of foreiO policy - and he had endeavoured to ex- p ain to the house course whici, upon that head, Government rE sPursue.. Tlte speech from the throne coRtained an acCount by ininisters of their stewardship, and of the pdlicy which they had pursued since t*e, house had last met; and if, upon that statementr, they did not come for3ard to challenge approbation, at least they were prepared to meet criticibm without fear. Mr. DALY - said &few words in explanation. Mr. BRI GH!X -protesred against being taken to agree (aS -we un- derstood him) hI the sentiments contained in the speech with respect to our colonial policy. M11r. CANNING said, that the speech from the throne was supposed to contain the views of ministers upon that subject; un- less they werc canvassed, he did not think it necessary to gofurther into themn. Dir. PEEL said, that whatever difference of opinion might prevail as to the Catholic question, it would be advisable, as far as possible, to prevent.raisundeastanding upon it. The lon. and learned gentle- man (1r. Brougham) had seemed to imiagine that there was an in- tention by the Government to recommend to his M1lajesty rome rea- sure with respect to the Catholics of Ireland. There was no ground, he begged to isv, for any such inference. As the right hon. Foreign Secretary (MIr. Canning) had adverted to his opinions upon the Ca- tholic 9uestion, an.d expressed his intention to persevere in them, he (Mr. [rFel) could not pass the subject without observing, that, in the sentimentr.s wvhich he had always entertained upon it, he was equally Mr. Hl'ME depl.red the effect of that policy in Ireland wnich the speech of the honourmble secretary (31r. Peel) threatened a continuance oif. The house had a good right to hear something from his MN ajesty's Government in explanation of their views upon the reduction of the taxes. He expected that in the speech either of the mover or of the seconder, they should bave been told what taxes were to be taken off, or if they were to expect any reduction what. soever. The speech was as lame in its composition as it was pos. sible for any public document to be. They were told, that arrangements had been made for that purpose, but there was no mention of any thing to lead them to conjecture what class would have the immediate advantage of the intended relief.' Thc fears of the country ought o he instantly assuaged by tihe Chancellor of the Exchequer, by stating what taxes woulIbe taken ofe. Not a moment should be lost in giving the house and the coantry proper satistchtion upon this parC of thie speech. His object in ricing was merely to protest against its being understood, that because thev were silent, thley felt no disapprobation wvhatever. The CANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said tlat it was his intention at a very early periol of the .session to ley before the house the view which hiis Majesty's ministers had taken of the state of the finances, and of the course of measures which they tlhought it advisable to adopt for the future. He thought the hon. gent. and the house would not consider it at all inconsiitent with the most per- fect respect to every one who heard him if at the present moment he refrained fromn any cxplanation. He hoped before long to bring for- ward a full and satisfactory statement of the affairs of the country, and he reserved himself for that opportunitv. The address was then put from the chiir, and carried; and the house adjourned at 20n misutes pant geven o'clock. HOUSE OF COMAITONg. TTTFRAAV. VP:-. ?.