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fu~r.WAbjJ.ljiit brouigetup tliettitirlireportot the comnimteor foreign trade..-Ordered to, be printed... PRIVATE BILL-S. M3r. 2191MB mov.ed1that it.-be an-instruction to- tle cornflt,. on private billsz, to iniquire whethier any, aflhl what,:a1teration shoul(L, be made ia the standing orders of the house relative to Privatte business... Mir. IUUME presented a petition from Ro'bert-Taylor, Eachelor - of Arts, and secretarv of the" So ciety of Benevolence" in Duiblin at present residing at No. ~2, Water-lane, London; prayi'ng that it~ miight be lawful- for kim to -open a chapel for tha -wolship of AJ._ mighty God, and for the inculcation of the principlersof inorality, withiout refereiuce to the authorities of antiquaity.. The honourable, member adverted to the recent prosecutions which had taken,place at the Old Bailey for the sale of blasphemous workcs, and said that they met with his severcst reprobation. He, thought -tbai the- sentences which had -been passedI upon the- 0)isoneers were un,. warrantably severe, and worthy only- of thle datrltestages of bliotTy' and-inltolerance Hie was, couvfniced that ifthie othee JudgesashouTd-a go on in the same disgraceful way in which the Recordler had con.. ducted hiniself at the Old Bailey, the whoL-1eneich.wouldbebroegbt, inito contempt. The persecutos he thougt , ee os than the persecuted ;-for they were subo1rilers of the critne,.iuod induced theirs victims to sell the obnoxious works. H1e hoed thi.t.that partof the& Alinistry which wvas not composed of bigots and perke..CuOrs would' consider the dreadful situation in whichi, by the7restult o,f th'e recena; ProssEutions, all personis were placed who sold conoeoversso3 wethks- on theologiecal subjects. Mr. WVYNN rigrettecd that the hon. member had' not taken the opportuniity of presenting the petition when hi% right lion. Iiiend ,L 0 Secretary for the Home Departmrent was in the house, under who~e authority the prosecutions to which he had alluded mnust have beci, carried on. W'ith respect to the sentences which had been passed upon the prisoniers lately tried at thie Old BailLr, hie would maerely say that Judges, in passing sentence, were accustomed to takea into consideration the nature of the prisoner's defence. It never could be allowed that a prisoner, in making his defence, shonuld repeat the offiece for which belied been prosecutedl. Mlr. MONtJK was of opinion, tliat-the sooner the prosecestioag whicl liad been alluded to were put an end to, the better it Would be for all parties, and'particularl~ for the ChurchEtstablialnnenL No thing could be moredisgraceful than an attemnpt toput dawn opintei bY fOrce, insteadl of by argumeat ; or, whiat was better stil1, li`*Z example. ,f_ Mlr. HUME stated, that the petitiener had fornerly, opened a. chapel in Dublin, whiere he was preventedi floni preaching by the violence of tlhe multitude. Mlr. HUMlE presented a petition from the freeholders and inha.. bitants of Cape Breton, complaining of the annexation of that. island to the province of NLova Scotia, whereby, various infractions had beeR COMMitted on their rights and privileges. After dealhiiig. the nature of the grievances under which the petitioners laboured, of which tie principal was the substitution of the French -law of inheritance instead of the English, under -which pioperty had hi-. therto been transmitted in the island; and after recounting the inu efflectual efflorts which the petitioners had- made to obtain r-dress of thiem from the Government at home, the bonourable member pro.. ceeed o sate tht s rsisanc wa ~virtue when relief from op.- resson ws dnied he oul, ifhevere an hinhabitant of Cape- ?~reon thow ff'hi aleginceto heCrowvn of Great Britainl,. man seekfor rotetio elswher fro th unredressed oppression or' th uoap.oia Goenen.H ovedl thiat the petition. be SiLI COFF INsaid,thatif hec wereto judge of the condition ef'the - isl ofapelrcoa romthespech f te hon. member forAberedkeo he souldsuppse tat i wasunde a o-ernment -like thazt Of the, Dey o Algirs. le kne, howver,thahe reverse was ilie casqe, and hat ite slan hadbeengrealy eiief itted by its -nnexatioiy-to, Mlr. AV. HORTON con tendled that this petition was a niere duz- plicate of the nietiCtin which the honi. member for Aberdeen hiad pee-.. seatedI On thiesame subjectin tlitecoutse of last session. Ifthe bon.. memiber were convinced of thie truth of the grievanices which he- statedl, he ought not to have conici down to the house on nearly the la~st day of the presnt -session to present a petition fromn thle colonlists,. -and to counsel themi to resistauce andl sepairation. but to lhave- broaght forward sonxic time ago a specific Inotion for the rcdiess Of the ini,uries of whbich thiey comnplained. (Ilear, hecar.) lie wvouldi taeh5personal credit vtith tehouFe,upon thefacttbat the ireater part of thestatemnentsof tlse petitioniers were totally unfounimed iln truth. He concludcdlbv reading an extract from- a letter of the present Glovernor of Niiva Scotia, to prove that a great improveiment. hiadl taken place in the c-ondition of Cape Breton since it had been annexed to the province of NoivaScotia. Mr. BERNAL agrecdl with the right ho.xourable Secretary for the Co'lonies, that the stibiect off this petition wvouldlbe miuch better dis. cussed on speifi &ion, than on thie mere presenlatiottef the pec- tition itself Hie therefore suggested to liis boncurakle friend the member for Aberdeen to briiig forwardI a mcotion, regurnding it at an eatrlv periodI in toe next sessioni. The pectition teas then brought up. On the question that it be read, - roendadthtehaltotltnopii o Sir L. COFdI'IN eeaai,ta eha o 14a pifno the prudence -of the hononrable miember for Aberdeen, to supposce that he meant to counsel the islartd of' Cape Breton to-revolt. - If :t di.l revolt, he woald undertakce, witht a single shiip of the lire, and a thous-and mnen, to knock, it over in four andI twetnty hiours. .(,X laugh.) ifr. flJUAIE said, that he hiad been so much occupied durels; the-. session by other matters nearerhomne, that hie had niot beecn enabled-. to py tat ttetionto he resnt sbjet wichit deserved. lie- had ove, hweve, fr rturs. wich asfaras they had been mad, pove th corecnes ofthediferet satments in the peti- tion Hepleded is eistnce,tha lewould never make another motin i tht hose,(her, har,andlaughter), unless he brought forwrd moionripe ths ptiton t an early period of thle next eStSIOn The petition was then read. On thernotion that it beprinted, ill. HUME took Occasion to observe, that if the tight hionour.. able Secretary took the trouble of reading it, he would see thiat it was niot a duplicate of the petition presented last session. Indeed, it referred to, andi corrected several misrepreseiitations; whiich the right. hion. gent. had made in the speechl which lhe had delivered uponi thait occasion.-Thc petition was then ordlered to be printed. Mr. HUMl]E presented a petition from. several Catholics of Ire- land, praving for relief fromn the disabilities under whiech they Ia-. boured. Whilen he informied the house, that among the names sub'- scribed to itwere those of Daniel O'Ooiinell, Ldwvard O'Gonrnsn, an41 beveral other gentlemien of the first respcctability, lietruisted thattheywotid gie tothe eti ict u attention it deserved. He had everseenany etiton wich etaled niecoe fullyv or more jiustly the gievanes ofirehad.-Th petiion as laid on thec table, andi Mr. C. . I-1UCHINSO prereted a petition fronii a lperson of te nae ofThoms Flnnaian,complaining of grievattces_.- Laid oni te table, and ordlered to be prite. AIr. C. . IIUTCII INSOINnIso pented a p titioti from Mr.If. Maimion, of Dul3ailk, playing rele fo Cte Roman Catholics of Irelarnd generally, and requcetin g a grant of rimoney to enable thse Romian Cathiolic-s of Duntdalk to build new chapels, and to repair those wvhichi were in a dilapidlated state.-Laid on the table, and ordered to he printed. MUr. BROUGHlAMl presented'a petition, numerously signed by the inhttbitants of illorpeth-, expressing their satitfaction at tlhe steps whbiclh hatd been iak-en by thec House of Comminons for the abolitdon of negro slavcry.-Laid'on the table.- 11r.BR0UGHl-A5s presented a petition from the Secretary to,tba Society for thec Encouragement of Industry andthteReductiiutnof the. Pooe's-rates, praying that the poor-laws miighit he extended to Ire- Iand.-Laid on the table. HIOUSE OF KEYS. Mr. BROUGIIAT rose to present a petition from the House GE' Keys, in the Isle of Mlan, complaining of an invasion of their juri. c-ileges, andl of various othter grievanices. It was not the petition of' tite whole of that body, in its 'corporate capacitv, but was signed. by- thec Speaker of the HoZuse of Keys, and by mta;y inidividuals-, urem-- bers of that ancient assembly. This petitiont, from its subject anit the reatresectailiy OS thepettionrs,deservedl Tle most seriouis. attntin.Thepeitin uns inth fist lae, iged bythe Speaker,. Coloel ilks wh wa wel knwn oth o cviland military per-- sons byhis xcolett Hitor of ndi. lTe next signature was- that f thehonoirablemembe for umb clan: and the third %ig-- nature was that of a g r-al offcr The right to the Isle of Alan remained up to theya 17296 in th ands of the hiouse of Stanley.. Thbat righit descenddt the heirs-iT-ale, and tifterwards to the heirs.- general. At the periodl he badl stated, the Duke of Atholl, as heir-- gteneral, becainie possessed of the rilghts of the house of SL-tatley. Thase rights were, by bargain, vested in the Crowi,, in tilt Year- 1765; aud with the C~rown thecy of course still remained. TVhe- House of Keys filmed a species of legislature. Its, mem- hers were virtually the represenitatives of the island. The pe- tition which he was now about to present contain~ed vatiou cc -n- plaints from that body. The first of thesecomplain%tsrcf'errdsl?~AI abuse of the-ancienitinsititutions of the islnd hescodid-- rected against the conduct of the Covernor of the islandl. For the- truth of these complaints, he hiad only the authority of the petition._ ers : hut he placed entire confidlence in the allegations Contained. in thepeition, knowing, as he slid, the respectability of the "~rsitns. wobroutght thecm forwvard. 'There .were two grounnds ott. -which those petitions called for relief. The first rcsolved it- self intb * question of law ; the second, as it related to the conduxct of thieGov,ernor, wala matter off tee. The petitioners coiuplaitied that toughte were legallye members of the ancient Court of Tom.- wd,they weent allo%wed to act, as thecy lhad a tight to do.in eel. minal cases. It certainly appearetl, from the,inquiry whlich too_k placeinl1791, to po-Essib tatright. This washiopinion, which he. knew was contrary io that of the late anti prestent Attorney-Gedleral. I tappeared from, the petition, that three personis hiad been tried, one, for a capi-tal.felony,wsthout the House of Keys1being allowede tak,e that share in tbtose trials which theyv asserted they had a rightto klo.. Onec of those persons wa~ sentenced to death ; -the other tWvo-ere, sentenced to transportation. As they conceived. that they were tried he.. lore an illegally-constituted tribunil, they lusd appealed fromi thieeon- 'victi6n to the King in council. But, wbit&der' migh t be the de- cisioin iti that case, the Houtse of Keys felt, thaLt though it m'ight be cited as a high authority against their claims, it shid not- estoo o preclude them from prosecuting those claimns. The first charge was a serious one. The basis of that charge was the alleedinvlasion of tbe riglits of property by the Dukec of Atholl. Every one, mvist hiave heardl of the unrceasin pesveace -witlt which that MAan. Some persons knew the fact frotu experience; other;s I were apprised of it from history, of which -those transactions had now become a.part. Ever since 1765, when the bargaia was tillade with tle Crown, the Duke of Atholl had been most active in endctvouring to extend his Claims in the island. Five differsent -applications bad been made to Parliament to alter the tenrs: of the (SBS e SUPPLEMEfArT.) - -, bargaziju :hmilm with the ,,a iii, but - tbey were all Ur- ces tZ"c rtRr t - e' S l f i t;. A t that , tilr e. n addition t o , agTI 5s i td l e t l70 00 01 t42.A1 0 . i n g ar U, his o,'Ay,oeca which bad beeeipiiP at~d forU th 4 : L w w a s * t s p e o f m a n f i r i 3 ri g h t u n a ft i P e n o u g h it t g e t b ct w e t h 3 ,0 0 0 1 3io4., t. a sthearm ?e . s s c ha 1e wa4 not. contented; afte r ti e aette C ztFt o F 17~5. hut w as tbe ire '~a a msol ng e cfre mhclai Th- s ow after t:h } O i d iof 1 8h 3 , -hei n tCcDn tir n: t l aMv'r a nl ig ne a c4 e riana d se ; vartdet of encroacme'nts on isd - tb IC-A n2Iazi's arprywa ri frdrn. those claInis, whi eh eamc 'No n, ~ ~ ghs, e~ntaliht,or riigil its para. t-Woa there anyc nhnce of peoclti O otc nt sad The ti Sti was, that the Dulce o u ethoU hw C.heT atndi the qute. J- -t.tfChatnceoy there, ana sole oU OL bce;,er. iead sotheapointmentinhc. othe ole Jdge tm &aze~,_s, m# of the AttorneY .GeA era). i~also, hild a aeep ~7tt~ in tetites, of whichi hie T :cei,ed on!thirS1d Ibe OLAhOp, Buirm s third v.as the propeztyto of the noble the m. ma s t.adge ver iwspoirited by the Bishop.. No s thernbe tred wa J"dg ,6tl 1~irb equIet, in whiiLt all tithe-ca uses we t toil - Be U r- ~ axongs thepastes,.oneyeal s eti'uNes wet toDue ke ~i1~ia Bishop, and oni to the parsonl N'OW the.Dok : did not ~in h~a -ccLncr urin tha yea whe Ifsowni causes 2VaC8 to be kI~d ~ i he~ daing he wo yarS vY en'the eauses 0! the A1~154 ad iferir cergywer decded it aS ite clear,that t'lie - . ,.j,r,i, .~ a,vard,A~ to tteim, must. wbe s IiIm elirrs carmeort, be awaide to hera., ther6 having-been: two -rT 'vioujq decs.ions. The petitioners, .iext vomplained,l of the g,nat AL rsviations -which lhad been toaide from~ the constitution of lie- out of Teinlwald, persons being %?,Pointea t6 sit whao Lsa d no right whatsoever to - do so. ?Lhey' also corn- p iliei, tha -codn olw the judges-wete' jrremovable,~ hu rt.t ntihtdng-elaw, the Duke of Ahllhad betn kaoWns to albfrehmoeo thos-e judgesi anud, after a private i Wis _- m nur hc ee wenr betbore the public-Zdidered. m obe renvd h tiwa ie reason of tliis? The reason, Ss S=atd unz thne petition, Was, that a mian who,: it seemedl, -was a aerr.nt t( % the Duk-e or to the Bishops, biad commnitted -an of- :fence, for which he was prosecxted. The Duke -was dis- ~i1eaed wih thecours of ioceeing;_and- 4diUed before hiim hec acer=,er or Judge, - wh'om he vepro~hdfihscn dn-ct. RZe apbraided him for having-servea' .prcocessint e Duke's botsse,Wheri thie person accused was living--and rebuked himn fore hxringso cai ndncte-I hlniself,-wbenl he, thei- deemister,-ltid.received ao manty ben efiLs fromi him, theDlule ; stnd, amongA-vthers, had VrcaradfrH m hhn'the eituation af Judge whici lie theni held. fe~ c aIled on tb at individual to defenrd h Is condIuct, which he after. -%v%ata!dc 4iE*ectu1lly Hebhowever,andathe acting Attorney~Gesie- - I, who -,ra =ctd the cause, artd who was also rebuked far' his m -_ndret. wee -e removed. A person who was active'in'defending the St arty was rtewarded by, a -situationl in the eccls.iastittal CoX I nd3i the foreman of the juiry rrho acquitted- the d6engant~ wx- m-ade elerk of the court wphere the cause was trIed. The L,.- ch-arge was of so seriousi a TnatUTe, that he iwould have &tes are greatly before he stated it, vert- it not- for- the~ re- sbility of, the persons by whom it was made.- In 1821, a XI4 -carreintIn the islanad, in consiequLence of somtemisrepregtfntationi ,ofee 'onc ofh RueofKy. Seyeral persons werearrested, IL. '; ught by the high bailiiftbefore the deemster. One of those& whilst a witness van under examiniation, j1tmlmed up in ji mot vIolnt manner, knoc'ked down the witness, -made-an at. the high bauiiff, and- finally assaulted the deemster him.. tlf- Ile wMS tried for this offenc7e, and sentenced to a- fine &1; Z~,L all twelve monthse imprisenm-ent. The- warirant con.: mcr ted wit this verdicit having been presented to the Daske, b-- is?nTW -ly endortsed on it"-I~--herebv sus;pend the-execution of jadgmen.' And, in the Couirt of 'Chaiicery, tie said'to another ar- Ireproi . ho had been convicted of riot, "1 I pardon you, go mbos.tt tour bun 'nesa." Trhis last dictutm of grace -was- prontouniced in ,~ 'L e-,m ofa Iywhere a suinmons, -in matter of axtault, wras n crc: before -, -fown. The Manx Court of Chancery,; usi~it was tstated to hifm, an-a ax from hils own knowledge he coadidasaiy, concei ve, h.dnomt orejurisdiction in such a case than -anly drdvi. roim tmhler, of that house. Such were the complaints of the lie- tisieners, w'ho calle4 upon the house to do thiem justice, -to inves. tiztt ri'evac4s, and to definesnot only-the rights ofthe-Keys, butfthose -OAhe Dsiak , OAtholl, and-to iniquire, above all, -what re- sults ba-a been producedI. ' herport of the commissioners made in I' -931 and. if any steps ha~~entknprsuant to that report ; and if theetilrt bereplointed ~ a o ic been rather-ircreased than 3Mr. PE EIs, in following tx me statement of the hion. and learnd eat., ~ed Lh attcntioni of te house. As he felt conscious of his bwn rettde ii' wlhat he haad ( -ie, and vwas ready to admit thitt ranc of haw~msale~edwithr~ pect to thte DtrkeDof Atholl was to be riefered solely to his condutct, -, he ventured to assure thebhouse thate wo Id-, iva-ns aifct -y explanation of~ that conduct t, iie waxia g, ~ ed to follow the -division befo~`re he .sat d, 1-wn. He pro~ -eieani isigisig Of the imonaamnbl. aTnd nemarindisingishng 5-lweciamplents, by -'ividing them into t' 'lose-whichtererred to points of law, and thesew wi YichrTefcrred to quest. ions of fa'ce. The first of the t`hnner ki-nd was, that the Dit'ke of AU "'ioU had unjuStly and il-. I!alvy cxdudea the 03harlber of Keys k 'OM formiing a part of the ceartof crimlinaljn'risprudence. The el 'arge, I'f just; ought to be ceade against hiim; bimt he would show the- house, that whether. errneouws orutDt, he coul fi not properlv have ,,2roceadttd upan any other princi le than htm'o hc ehdat~ nIP83, dounNa arose=a to the rigtof h e esofr part oft, he criminffal-courts of justice In all qusinXlie othe hi!StOry\ tnmd law of that isla-nd, he had corsauv ,e i h habit ot, r.6-ferring to 3fr.. C:rk,tbeAttame .clr,w ose A0ledgeuponXthestibicct iWsS ~~tnsir,~tod wmos im.tegityand jiidglnest\ %,adeiud him WC-rthy okf thehihttrsai dence. Mr. ext ark- wai of o,i-nthat the Kessdn mt toi form a part of tL.le court o f ;mnnizkljurispsuec-a fte were. not summioned, the~cotmrt:] w-aold be legallyo iue.That opiulioim wasconfirined,by Lord G.in-rd then Atetrne.neral, andti de present Attorney tbt'ti SOUL. eitarG-reier.l. Shrl fe ta,M.(lark, arrived. int tow, rF., and' lind a w:iferencewt ht w ere peesoins, agreeably,wO hix (Mr. Peal's) rclncst, the result of whchmasaconfirmnation or. their rEnt opinion. He had no hesitatios hn in informinig the Duk@5 of A%.hadl of that opinion. It was not that If rested upon thiis as or'., a dec!-sion-on thie contrary, his object was .- td lead the subject into a train of j-adir.ia determinaztion, andt lie exA~cted that the Keys them. selves would have brought thec matter bellorc the King in counesl,~ farm tha ups; which~, howecver, they lhaal inot done. 'In the mean zius, three persns hiad been criminally- ch arged, one of whom was cartaWly convicted. He lost po timO, in c-ausing. this man to be in-, fanned; that he had a sight of appeal up on that very Point, if he clh,t:a to prosecut-, it, and the exectution of pumnishmen't was stayed. The -a-swr. was, as might hlave been expected, that the party'lhad ri-3mzans to pay thec expense of bringinig on suich ani appeal. He ,was zz:sn informited that mioney shiould he Iprovided, and all ncces- asur means, because the King'js Government were anxious to havemA aolezn ndecision iupon the poinutin question. TIme cons'equence was; th-.-. the plcadinigs werenowr lodned with the Privy Couincil, and the case wouldbe heard and formally determined. -As to the conduct of the Dake in his judicialcapacity, no allegation had ever been imade azz,inst him, however incoherent his appointments miiglt iseem,,. or bowe-ecr liable they wero to theoretic objections. He was ready to Confess that there wecre great hecats, and bickerings in the islauid, and ineaced he I,a.d liad moetobliihitiLh last two vears, in the way- of writing, and advising, thian withi all the rest of the king- ta3pa. 1-his constant monition was, that they nlight to plut aside their difiercncas and joinithecirefiorts to secure the public good.- As to te-- displacinz of the judge, that also was attributable to him, Z=d not to the 'Duke of Atholl. He regretted -that lie should he compelled to disclose tIme reasotis ~so puiblicly. The dleemsters held their o-fiecs at the Pleasure of the Crown, and the house wouild know how neceassary it was thiat they should be so dependent, if they anly considered the peculiar situation of the island, and the state of ,aeciry therein. A Mr. Fell wrote to Iuim CMlr. recl), complaining thatt he had broughit a servanlt, niamed Alacbride, from Liverpool -with him, wh o c~ohabited with one of the deemsters. -Mr. Fell thought it necessar to dischatrge hier, iqnd she 'claimed a- nuarler's wazi; She howev.erproceeded against hins, beside,s,forclefimation, and %Ucls was the terror that thne inhabitants had of being concerned withthe rawaeing,on accuntof the cosinexion between thed6cinster scid the ros.ccutr!:, that3Mr. Fell'sown brother-in.law residing on the ialandwould not baillhim, thiouglh time money for which he-was to bzha snod was offbcrea to be placed in his hands. Rather than go to pziswrn, he was compelledl to a compromnise, and agreed to pay 251. for txene n .451. for damages. Tie bargain wasnmade in a public hos ntepresence of tIne iud-ge in quecstion, who proposed the ____ euh an act of corruption, if trulk' stated, could:not be ov.lie(MIr. Peel) causedthe proper inquiriec tobecmade; tia liczs were substantiated before the council of the Wsand, and af.~ -t-.tha% it was not possible tkat lie cotld advise thie Crown to any hc~reHtTet than to displace that judge. In both ofrthese aff hirs he ,iat. Proceedced without ever consulting thec Duke of Ahl,adh ninnewasto blamneif any blarne could attach. He juastifOdd the Dlake's condtictin other particulars, with thieexceptionofsonie little ,excoss; in thet hingpiage which lie liad used ia one or two of the frytne whchhd been given. M,,,r. BRIG [T thoughit that mutch of the grievances stated in tlr- peelciom mnightbc referred to the bic'kering and heat whichi pre- vtmfla in the island. Ruit certainly the Keys shouldl have been in- Tented, r.ot only of the reasons for tIme dlismissal of their jtidge, butt als o whr r ds theicr right or foenning a pVitt of the criminal 7=afe'j.-- hand been sospended. That it hiad beeni thleir righit, w, ~in t7ne report of the eemmission of 1791 ; anid the book s. *-'f was then for the firstfime reduced from oral and un- ccJ'l Ftmcpt.issun chiecfly from the ecemsters and tile officers of the onindl, to a wpritten and a'Scertained formn,stated that this righit was Of teeC verybighcest antiquity in thic tradlition of that law.He could sre 1elp feeling that Government had peoreeded too hiastily in with. raigthat ,tghit, before the question had been solemnly argtied in tlh -prescncc of the Privy Couincil. r.PE-EL ad %Mr.BRIGIIT mutually explainedl.- qF,.~uI suggespted the propriety of an inqutiry being insti. tutea in!ot e fact whether-the interests of-theDutke of Atliol were! not in seine instancesis:compatibie with his duty as a judge. Fromt the scrtirments expressed by the righit hon. gentlemsan, lie was suire hie I-iula not advocate the continuance of suici a state of things, il itwere- onrce folund that thisiwas actually the ease. T-he ATTOR"sEY-GENERAU i, thec Privy Council was the rz.ce ridulbn21 to whilch petitiors ougli to be addres-sed on stc'h pci~:ts.Of law mrntioncd in the joint opinion given by hini'sehf and th:e late Attoriey-Gtsicral, which he Maid wa5 still unchaiiged, antd vbo -nch the Sec;retary of State liad acted. Mlr. BIIIGHTexpIained. M1r. BROjG H AM icen repliedi. He contended that the Couri td' K-.m b-'l a right toi sit oni criminal cases witlieut heingasummon. e. he b _dheId this night, for the first time, of Ir Vaghn' conZuct. andhe couldatherefere- satynothirg toit. He felt it, how. cr-er, to be hlis duty-."id as it was a very gratifying one, lie imna hvastened todiscbarge it-to hear testimony to thed chiaracter of Mr, IWormlningbarn, thani w'hom a mor,e bonourable or respectablc '-cTllma, 'be be'iieved, there 'was not to he found in the Isle ol ?iAn t was true that thist young mian had in a. momient of intoxi. ce-ien, whichL he (Mr. Broughmam) supposeod in -that place he wwt bz-;nd .t, s--prehed,, andl aftern. public festival, committed an adi ofir1-,pudenc-; but it was no less true thiat since that periodlhiebhat ben-letdoe_ fteKeys, with the approbation of- 61) uke oi ALtnh. lewareeednt the houise-s of the mosit rgspectab!4 Omin thet island, and was unvraltrtei scamanm -aNhow-e that hi.s offience wa.s forgotten, and that his reputatior waunsaaieel ife concluded by raying that the readiest and thi czy n'.ethed Of allaying these dissensior-s which existed in the 1sF of Man wouldl be by alteriig,the form of the -gova~ghit", .nd _V' taking owt,of-thilialds-of oi;e Individual thI werwch be held, and from hs ntretseiasinll ciingfrtcp urt iseetin pe!sj fo xe. -Alr.PEHGprfct spctbdlt4 CiirCnning. brim, an4'tliat th iffnewihbd he alee~ s hiM was ani exception -to hi eea odt. ,T`peti0fon-Waarera,adoelrdt ttetable- On the i-itiorithat-itherne, DIr. 'J39OYIHM xresd-a-oe ht 1ir the summRer his .M aiesty's,minitr wellmk nii r~oteadministra.. tion 6fl3usticein the Isle of Mlan, and taes~maue ~might seems .tpedicnp..~.The petition was thien orit to, beprne. ~-Mr.'-ZROUGIiAM3 presented two otheper os from-indiidal I-in Ate 1se of, Alan, complaining of illeg1 tvictions. .jti~r. ABRI.GHT?presented apetition fr,gm t'hegovernors and guar-, -dians -otC-the poor in-Bristol, complaining offeepne nurredb the ti imtp1o-tati4nj of Irish paupers. leressed nis intention, as it ~was to6 I ite to doAUy thiog on the aulex-I the present session,j~o take itelup carly i'n 'thie next. Mr ilOX Ksaid,-that thec county in.which he resided was pi;t to an ex, pemse OF 4,0001.' ler annum in passing these paupers to Ire. land.- 'he petitionwas ordered to he printed. -- Mlr M ONCK presntedl a petition from Thomasu Christian,. of the Isle a f 3Man,- to- the satnes -effl:ct as tho3e previously, prescntcd.-~. Ordered ~- 0obe-pripted.. PRIVATE BUSINESS. PiI4,r. HO 'ME -resenrn~d the report of.he commfittee-on private bu.. ssn.'. wht hwaf-orere tobepiatintcd i'il .1 [LLAMS,pr,esented apetition from Liverpool, re- spectn~*tei 5t-nil~iOiary Snmith.-.Ordercd to-be printed. .. Dr Lbb ~TO~Npresened a etition from the Separatiits.of ~1~~0itiola1lnga thehardhipDf being- compelled to'take Sir T AGL~ND resetedapetition from the south of Devah- shir, cmpldni'igf te ilict rtail of cidler, and praying- for the TheC~A.r~A14R~ f te.EXCHEQUER --was~not able at presenit tosay anyrft0i one a-this -sub3ect, than thatlhebhad given his- attentiont t n .oe at'sonia futrurd time-to, make some proposi,. tion on it to thie hue---- Sir F. BU1WDET?I presented a Oidtiti6n froin iMr. George Ensor, -or'A-rn4i'alcornplainiVrJ of the processions 'of the Ozange Society. The bom, batt.!said he~ -understood that onie of those proeeasiont was -to akeplac-onth- 12thlof J3lY' 'next.-'- It commenced -geneeaUy ahou~mitoiht5 nd ,aS eariedotiwithi -ll- khindsof-instslt a-nd aggrvaton'othetths'ii, wo, f-tey wvere roustd to resentment, -wer noln -eassahed, ~ve;~ lud hppeed in somne ,asses, to the Ids oflie.~~I!tle nsuretio at-wreto exist atal1i it:was tc.. cessary.tbat -ith irovisions shoul be ad to ipply~ to, itiese midnight processions, andtaeqljsie shol be administered as wefll to ,Cath6lics a&&rtsatsi'...- - Mlr. Aldermn WOOD- presented-a-pettion frotisa- letter-carrier of the name of Atkins, who complained that after having many years paid to a superannuation'ffdnd lie had been' diicharged upont an unjustpretence~and deprivedof' all benefit from that funid. After awfew~!wbrds from Mrl. HUME,the petitiofi was orderea.tobe prined. IRIS Fl 11SURRECTION ACT. MNr. GOULB3URN moved 1hethird. reading of the Irish in-sur. -reCtio atiat. - --- -- - :ir'. -HOBHOUSE said- that.!,.e couild not alloiAhe thiird reading of a bill -whieit was to put somnatty British subjects out of the pale of thelIaw4-to pas-s -witihout expressing his objnttion to it. The:bill 'vas not merely a Govemnment measure, but had b.een recommended by a cdmnfiit(etanotvery fa,irly chosen.Ev~n that veryfac,tof the bill besir recor-m-inded-by'-such acomrittee, in'thev~idwibichlhe entertained of the mieasure, was at reasoin for hig-obje~cting to it. 'When he siw- that. -4,00,0001. - were -paid bv- the people of Great Britbin for the supotof Irelandt, he'tho-uiiht that miniisters alonie oaght to be re. s osb~for tije govermment of that country, Tbe# should ntot come- to 'Parlitiametit to kno4 hovi- Ireland wan to be koverned. Year after yeat' niiitistdrs had,' as it were, thitown thetnisel'iles' upon the mercy of- Parliamient- with respect- to Ireland. The insu~r- rection act-the renewal of which had been zecommehdded by the. co,nmrittee.-had been proved -to have been worse than use- less; it had bieen- attenided vwith great evils. There could be no doubt that if behind every cititzen of Ireland there was itlac-ed a soldier aih sweord, or an executioner with a rope, the country 'i'ould be.tranquil; but that would not be govermnment. Somethiing of that kind had been actually recomnmended in a Dablin newspa- per, which received 'th'e patronage of certain - clerical persons. In tha't paper hie hiad scen it recommended, in- no very equivocal terms, Ehat the-pveople in the soiith or Ireland- sheuld be extirpated. It was necssary for the houic to know the mRanner in ivhichi the insur- rection-act had operated. 'Froth returns which he-bhadgseen, it ap. perd -that tinider the act, 1707 persons hiad been apprehiended;- of -these, 271 were conivicted, and 78 were punished; so thpat not- fewer -than-1,437dinnocent men were placed in -confinemnent,in order-to briughomeconviction tog17l. ~The hon. membe,rthen censured the extraordinary powers whichi were conferred upon the Irish ma- gistrates-by"the act. An ifnstance- had occurred'of a -man- beig ett pison for tWvo mopthis-for having been fouind ou rit~sne,although it i'as provedl that lie had been doing nothng ut layn *at esPds. Thie -hon. member then jiroceeded to poin optthe-bsurity ofcnflit against the Catholic Associa- 'to,by inen whio-favourea such associations as those of the Orange- me.If.there was any 'danger, it mulst be from the Orange-So- cite,wich were -beld in siecret, and not from the Catholh- Asso.- ciatin woe proceeding-, were carried on in the face of Lhe public. ithdbee 'said that Oiange Societies had bcii checked. He -could see no proof of it.: lie founid that they still, - ntinu.cd to 116d Wi s.liC*harf wcred issuea fiom the grand offleers, auth&!rIzng individuals'to hold lodges; and the only dif- ference he siw betweeui thie iiew warrants anid tlibse heretofore issued _Mai; that ehi one was on parchtiient, adid thie othier was on coni. mon paper. Ile held two warrants of thec new and old system in btishland. The new ojie hail, as the old, the picture of King NVil. liamson borseback,. and it pur-portedl to ba the appointment of a par- ticulLr-in.iividual to hold a lodge. It was signed " O'Neil, Grand Master~'-_" Abrahamn Bradiey 'King, - Granid Treasurer"-and "1-.Vertvou,.Grand Secretary."` The honourablermemnber, after stating his opinion, that whiile, there was a divided Cabinet on the subject oflisb iuff'aiis, nothing wouildbe done andl nothing was in. tended to bedone for that coutry, con.tclued bymo,vingtliatthe bil .be read a thiird time thai dlay'six maonths. Mlr. CALCRA1VT cohcurmed withhis lionourable friend, in think. til~tis bill odiou's anal unicousfitutional. and that it would be a iblot :and disgra'ce to our statute book, if' it remnained- on it a niioraent longer - than ' thie situiation -of~ Ireland required it; liut -still lihe wouild' s ippor-t the imeasuire, because in his consekicnce6 lie believed, that forot the present temper of thie people of-Irelanid, it. wouild not -be safe to let it remiaini without suchi an act. lHe w~ould sk -ny man, whelher he thought that Ireland couldi at present- be left to the ordlinary admininitration of thje law; andif n6i, what-othier ne'asure couild be more effectually -applied to ittifan the one.then before the lioaise ?: He deplored as miuchi as his hion. friend the.divided -state of the Cabinet on the sub. of Irish zfftirs,-, but as- -that -could not be renmedied immediately, lie tliougltt thet suchi a bill as the p resent was unavosidabhynecessary. Col6iel TRUNCH supported the bill. General HART said hia-tthierexws a~very simnplemeautre by which .Ireland might berestored to-tranquiillity.- It was merely tosueraund the towns and large villages of that couIntry with walls. (Hear, hear.) lHe did not-mean suchi walls as those of a reguliarly fortified place; b ut wallsijot niuchi higher than our comimon park walls4n this coun- try: lcttdreuUbe flanked with a few towers,.1 wit'h two hir three.guns on each) anid by this; meanks suclh-protection.would baafforded to thie - wives and chiildrent of the loyal and well-disposed inhabitants of the countrv, that they would lhave no lhesitation in opposing themselves to the disaffected. Thecn Governsient w'oul;l know t-he strengthi of -those who were disposed to support it, Mhiclrwas muich greater tiian -was imagined, but at present tney were afraid to act,- not, hlaving a; sufficienit proteaction -for their-famailies.- Sir P. BLAKE said, he did inot put so muc'h trust in stone walIs for the pacification of Ireland as the gallant General. He thought there was a muc'h better -remnedy. He wouild advise.-aud hie. put the mlatter seriously to hiis 11ajesty's 31linisters-that they sliould make the relief of the people of rrelanid -the sine quia nionz of their keeping office. (Hear, hear.) If they did this, IrelIand wouild soont be rlieed, ndier grievances red:-essed. Hewn-ald advisettiemto pressth question of Cathiolic emnancipationi session after session,an Pmlamentafter Parliament,until theyvcarried it by atriumphant ma. jority; and aslie couldjuidgef'rom the general tenoiurof his Majesty's -conduct thtat he did not possess-any icruples of. conscience (~niuch -laughter), he- was surea that liis lajesty -wouild not oppopse heinielt' to-a nieasure~so fraUght witlhbeneflts to a latrge portion of hig people, on the grouinds on whiich it had heeti opposed by his predecessor. On -the subject of' Catholic emancipation, he looked uponi the accession to the muinistry of the righit hon.- secretary fir foireign affidirs as a -great -advantage. Nobody doubted hiis liberality; and nobody couild doubt the goodI tendency of such liberal feeling on this quas.- tion to the general pacification of Ireland:z but nobody, also,, doubt. ed -the sincerity of the opposition to that mneasuire by his (Mlr. Canning's)- right lionouruibte colleague, thie Secretary for the HomieDepartment. ie wassincere, butstillhe was a-dangerous opponent;, becauise lie so tempered hiis opposition, thiatmer were often di,spos.ed tothinik him favourable to that cause which lieseemed reluctantly to olspose. Ilea was sometimes so moderate and ternpe. -rate, thiat he was disposed to apply to hiin the words of thie poet- " Cuin talis sis ufinini nosier eases." (Hjear, hear.) The house then divided, whben there appeared- Fortele amenddient, 14 1 Against it, 521 Majority 38. The bill was then read a titled time. -Mr. -DENMIAN proposed the- following ClaUSe as a rider to the bill:_-" That all offences under the insurrection act should be tried by a j'ury." - Mr. GOoUaInUSL Opposed, and M Br. S. RICE suipported it. It was negativedI withiout a division; as was also another clause by way- of rider, propo,sed. by AMr. .9. RicE, giving to the prisoners the HU- berty of postponing their- trials. Mtr. DENiIMAN called the attention of tl-celioute to a clauise in this bill, whecreby any subject of his Mfajesty, niot being a traveller, -or a reiet on-in a licensed public-hiouse between tie hours of 9 o'clock in the evening- anii( 6 in the mornilig, was rendered liable -to transportation for seven years. The sting of' this clause was, 'that the wordIs,' "withiout lawful excuse," which were inserted in othier ;parts of the bill, Yicre omitted in this. If a.man were from thc penalties of this bill,- supposing he-could show lawful ex- cuse. - if he were found dIrunk in the streets during thte prohibited hours, his intoxication vas held to be a lawful excuse; bat in ffle he was found sober in a licensed pfiblic.house between 9 ait10 o'clock, no matterwhat cause caled hin there, he was liable to be separated from his family for 7 years. . As it appeared fromt the cvi. dence taken before the conimittec,- that this ctause ha(l never been acted on by any magistrate,he begged leave to.bring up a rlause to repeal -such part of this actasreaideredamnan liable totransporta- tion who was found in alicenced publie-hoisc after the liours he had mentioned. Air.; GOULBURN coald not accede to the propo?ition of the ho- :nburable member. Trheclause whicl thehonourable rember wish. ed'tb repeal was provided to inert tde possibility and probability of -persons assembling in public houses to plot mischief against the -peaeeable subjects of -the Crown. - M Nr. S. R1CE sliOke in favour,-and M1r. V. FITZGERALD in con. &i dtnation, of the pro*,sitionrof Itmr-Dzrx-sAxf,- which, after some discussion, was negatived witlout a division. . IMr. DENAIAN called the attentiion of the house to the 25th clause of the act, whereby it was enacted, that in case aay person 'i^tought aTiocVori.aihita magi trkt in.cpD4table1 for the iialicious .'abuse.of.t' qower nf.ths at,c,and2 us;yarw,rpa d,iui. d-mages ptiopotti6neel. t, :ehier .senise, of, ,be, injurr apfliceed,:it, should be lawful, on'i 'lie4Judge Ycertifsing' on the re.cord, th,at the parly against wi*hom the-iction wasn broug.ht had 'pro- bable cause':fof -*his h&iiiiasldbne74 ':to edu he damage to hd., and to give no costs -of suit. Nod-he wis6ed to repeal this cuse, hunl to compelthe.'party to p'ay the oh rdraget- atrda' by whe juzyh It was not right thatiasJudgeeshould have-theepowertof.uealterd .mgt tbe.rerdict af sjur'y.r' Heishouhl Proposlaclfsetepaineg the obnoxious enactment to which.he'lasd'refern.d... - -': .31r. GOULBURN costwnded IrbatiheJVijis bmetmbtet had gi'en the hois-e a falsenview ofthis parof- the c by reading only ohe -half of tbe.clause,' He eughr io hafe'ie.the other halteli'o hieh it s -nacted. that in case te gJudge-did ' not certAft thi se record that the snesstratei a. prbbable h-ause;tftoe -pl:lripes obtinjed.not ponly the.damtages awaraded Itinibythe.jlirr,. but ehso-treble 'costa. -ure .should.ippose the iltcrato .sug-otedly;b e gie; m m - 'Nottingbais. hi a to t6ee-an1ti *; the hon .er f o 'IThi cluseb asrejected wtithout eadiXi7ionre,nd thie bill was. read- as third-time and passed .-:-:" ' '-'.;' -' JURIES' EMUPANELLINGf BILL.-' l-'resPEtLbe b'oughiTf abill for she fetterequentellyngeof jaries The rigtt honofsirae gentlemran obsered,-athat -at thisnlatee riod of the sessioh it was not v hisg - intjytion to: prers the mea- sure forward-, as - it: Was 'shdoubtedlyne of. vetvr great im- portance. Its object wras to ishisolitlate a:nd. to-. mend' the .v3 rious -lawst which -related to thee empaneCling6of jurse4i Heret iie wvished to.state, in.,justice t'o ihepartire concrne, -thiat that- high. ly-respectable bodly of persons 'who werc so 'frequenstly . engaged in themdutynof specinl jtrors, ana ofasnet citmos-n 'conseqiserne -T a vrrufai pejdic had'bcen raised, Wrete-mostwrilliot.diupense ntllte:pover or privilege -they enjoyed. -(flear.) 'N NGrons in the iountery'were more anxiouis to- have !the yiytem anred -than ' those gendem:en. vrho attended in the iC:ourts;-of Xibg'.siceli and- Commion i'Ias -iii the -capacity nf qiecial jurtors;. 4H~ .They had shown the most praisew6orthy-sn&iaetyto co.operat._l h biJn in an eflicient alteration of thie]aw,- andithts. they-rhad cont'adietea the injurid`ux,- and, he -rould'Sasy, unfeunded charges that-had i becn brohght a4aIsist them. Bythe bill-which he now intv6chteed,itwat pFovided, thit the nLme-ofech-ani evvryyperson:qualifiea to act 2s aa'pecial'juror should-be written on'a picce of'citd, and placed in a box; front which 48 nnuies should bedraw'in.ihe sime inaiffer. ent manner as was-observed in-that house ivhen an eectioan com. rmittee was ballotted' for. The -whole forty.cight having -been drai-' by -lotS, it would "iemainto- 'rdudct tehemato.the pro. per 'number in thc ordinary manner." (Htar4 hear.) - Thi.,% as it appeafed:tbhim, vould remote every'objection that"it-prestnt exist.- ed against the-rnode of empanelling :speclal.juries" (HIeisrt) ' He never proyosed- a clause with greater pleasute than he proposeA this -becaiuse its object'was to improve one. of the' rost ientrable an -most valuable prvileges- which -3nglishm-r - possesseda trial by julry (Hear.) - -'I -' - - r. SCARLETT professed that he felt -great obligationvto tbe' right hon.'gentlerian for having introduced thii -ery uteful- bill;- But,-whatevercom'plaint might have'been made-with"TeSpect to the! 'mode df stril sgspecial juries, he would say, thataman of greater- integrityor ability-tbata-man; f,oin hishonesty and urbanity,'more -perfectly calculated to-fill the sliuati6n'7of.MasteroeF ths-Ciovino niei did not exist,than the gentleman who now held that post. L(fseai) The bill, he hoped, would be printed, foenablerieeMbermoi-thoough- ly to understand its conterig. -'Wbile he.wason his Icgs, h'e -vished to. ask his right hon. fiiend the President of the BNord -ofC;ntrol, whether- any memorial had been presented to him, in hlbsofficial si- tuation,-as to -i dispute which had latelygoccirred beiteen! the 'Re- corder-of- Bombay and the gentlemen ot the bar at thatPraiidbnry;. It appeared that'those gentlernen had protetted:against the ex&lnsive e'npleyment of 'solicitors-in certain casesi and in coniequence they- memorialled the coart. This gave di'encerto th'presidiig adtluority; 4ndthe mornentitwasklnowni,thostegentl'enien expressed theirextreme contrition for what they had donc. But, notwithstandingrthat, the- Recorder suspended them frompractislngih the court lersuxmonths. - 'Without giv;ing any opinion on the case,-lie wished, ass one -aixiiius to sunport the integrity of the bar, and equaly anxious to 'upboldthe credii of the Jddei to know whether such a miemorial er'petition ras he had advetted to had been presented to Government,--ana if so, whether any step had been taken in'const'uenee ? Mr.C. W. W. 'WYNN said, that ery soon after the cou-tof the Recorder of Bombay had been establiihed, another court, called the small debts court, had bten formed, In this -latter court, the re. corder. mayor, and aldermen presided, aiil-settled ciuses without thelassistance of the bar. This gave ofFence to the legal -practitioners, and a memorial was presented to the Rcordler on the subject.:- The saemoial was considered by the Recorder as an -improper inter. vention. and an order was m'ade to suspend -from- the exercise of their functions for six months, the persons constected-with'its pro. duction. A 'memoiial had since arrived In thls countrv fromi the gentlemen of the bar, complaining-of this act, and requiring redress. The memorialists wished this power of removal and -snipcnsion, wlhich was given by the charter to the judges, should be-new.m,- delled; - They desired that the Recorder should not be'allowed to remove or suspend individuals -from their legal functions, iexept with the consent of thl Governorii counrcil. Under theactoflastses-- xion, a new court (a supreme courtl, consisting' of a chiefiustice and two puisac judges, hat been-establis?hed at Bombay;* and as the ne 'rod of suspension had expired before the' memorial reached Enig.- land, it was thoughtlbetter, instead of interfeting at home, to leave the matter to the decision of this new and superior-courr. After a few words from Mr.1-;RozBTsoN-, Mr. SCAnLETT, 3Ir. Hu.%rN,-and Mfr. PEEL, Whvo spoke in the highest tenns of the eba. racter of Mfr. Lushington, the master of the Cro'n-office, the bill was reada first time, and ordered.to bo reai1'as,asd time thi4 iy six months, and to be printed. EAST INDIA POSSESSIONS BILL. The order of the day for thethird reading of theabovebill having been moved- Alr. HUllhEroseandsaid,-tb'e right hon. Secretary for tbeForeign Department had been reported to have said on the preceding even. ing, -that the individuals whohad attempted the Eiltivatiori-of ipices ut Bencoolen had been-supplied with ground, plants, and money, by the East Indix Company.' On these points the' right honourable gentleman had-certainly been misunderstood and mis.*rported.- The fact was, no such assistance had been granrcd to the lilanters.' They had received aloan ot' money, for which theypaid.l 'per cent. to'the lenders; and the firstspply ofplantshadbcen given to' them by the Company. After'that. they were obliged to pay, and to pay. dearlv, for every thing they got. Under these circumnstances, those indWistdusls-were especially entitled to consideration. After a few words from-. Messrs. BGHT and WY-.%, the bill was read a third time. Mr. WYNN then brought up a clause, by way of rider, pro. viding for the execution, under the new ithe Dutch) Governuient of Bencoolen, of those sentences which had been passed on iRdividuals during the existence of the old (the British) Government. The clause was agreed to, and the bill was passed.- The second reading of the Irish general police-bill was postponcd tiU this day sLx months. GOVERNOR LUMLEY. nMr. ElILIS said, he would not, at that late hour of- the night, bring on his nmotion for papers relative to the conduct of Sir Wil. liau Lunmley, Governor of Bermuda. - Perhaps, liowever, thie lion. gentleman (lir. Horton) would statewhetherGovemnmemnthadtaken any steps on the subject ? illr. XV. H ORTON said, as weunderstood, that GovernorLum. Iey was about to be re-called. 11lr. ELILICE said, he understood the hon. gentleman to state, that it was detennined to recall Sir -V. Lunmlev, to answer for his conduct during his governmentof the colony of Bermuda. Aa that was the cases-he would let thc matter rest for the present. - DISPUTE WITH THE BOMBAY BAR. - SirW%V. FORBES gave notice,that he would on Monday move for papers relative tothe dispute-between the legal practitioners at Boni. bay and the Recorder. The hous adjourned at HALF-rAST TWELVE O'CLOCX, until Mod - ' LIST OF THE MINORITY Of 14, who voted-against die thira reading of the Insurrection Act. Burdett, Sir F. -Deaan.T,-T.. Palmer, Col. Snktb, W. Beuiett, J. Ellice, E. Steivart, W. (Ty.Wihliams, J. Bright, B. Grattan, J. rone.) Wood, MIr. Ald. Broughamn,H. -'Mostyn, 5srYr. Searlett.J. ifellers-RobhousbiJ. C.' tmse, J. -- HOTVSE OF COMMONS,.FiDAY, JuXE 1M -