House Of Commons, Thursda...
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ltne Inspector of Imports and Exports attended at the bar, witn the usual annual accounts of the value of all imports, &c., during the last year. A person from the Treasury delivered a variety of returns, &c., rclative to the produce of the i'xcise in the s.me period. Mlr.PLUNKllTT brought ina billfor thc amendmentoftheIrish burials' act of King William IIr. Read a f.rst, and ordered to be read a second time oR lUonday next. Mr. GIPPS gave notice, that on Mionday next he wauld movP for leave to bring in a bill for the better employment of agricultural 1a- bourers in the winter. A petition was presented against the Cheltenham water-works' bill. CaptainBASTARDpresented the report upon thePlymnouthBank. Mlir. GORDON presented twvo petitions from the parish of Charl- ton, Glocestershire, against the Cheltenhani water-works' bill; and M3r. Cstrps one from Cheltenham, to the same effect. Sir EDWARD KNATCHBULL presented the rep6rt of the Greenvwicb gas bill, and a petition against it from that town. Mlr. Alderman SillTH brought up the report of the South Lon- don Dock Committee, stating tlat the standing orders of the house had not been complild with &c.c Mr. CHARLES CALiERT brought up two petitions from Southwark a,ainst the suspension bridge and the new bridge bills. Sir WVIM'. GUISE inovea the second reading of the Chdltenham water-works' bill. Sir T. LiETHBRI1DGE, on the part of milf .6wmeri ancl otlibs having a rigbht of water in -the -viicin'ily of Chl*ltenharn (many of whom haa presented petitions againa; the bill), wasm induced to stand up at this stage of the bill, in order. to endeav&-ur to persuiade the house to reject it.. Ile wa's in a condiition to prove, that ifIthe pro,. posed water-works compaaiy carried itis objects inito execuition, they would effbecrually cutoffrthe springi of water at their iespective sources, which naow sua lied mhn estates in Glocetershire (four in particular.) IMany teswudb t the same predicament; and thierefore it was invi o h opn opoiethe owners of such properties ayhnlieaeutcrpeain.He knew one individual whose ettwol emsmarilydeteriorated in value. The hon. bart. thereforecldontehue to oppose the bWl on this second reading; And he moved as an iiamendment that it be read-a secondl timne this day six months. Sir J. YORKE secondedl the amendment. Mr. Alderman SMITH supported the bill, aind Sir I. COFFIN opposed it. Mr. R. GORDON said the company were'willing to allow the introduction of any clauses which might protect private property, or compensate its owners. Lord E. SOMERSET trusted that at least the bill would be al- lowed to go to a committee. Sir WM. GUISE replied. He hoped the hon. baronet wouald withdraw his amendment. Sir EDWARD KiNATCHBULL stated thatno sort of case hiad becn made out for the introduiction of a bill whitch was to auithorize a measure so expensive as the proposed one mnust necessarily be. The lion, baronet supported the amendment. After a faw words from- M%r. PELUAM and from Mr. M. PITT (Who vindicated the comipany from the charge of being a body of speculators), Mlr. BROGDEN stated, that no stronger cae was ever made out for the introduction of a private bill than had been laid on the pre- sent occasion ; for it was said thaLt no good spring wsLter was to be gt inthe opulent town of Ctieltenham, a defect to which he (Mr. Brogen)uldspea frm Iis own experience, having, in a long imreiec aChenm,fund all the spring water more or less hi JA E RHMSupported the bill, and the gallerv wa cleared fra divisin On our retarn, we foun the numnbers to bea- Per the second reading, 95 I Against it, 251 Majority, 70. The bill wag then committed. The following petitions were presented ansi read :-Three from several inhabitants of Mlanchester, against the Matnchester gas bill, by Lorsd STAINLEY. AgainstNegro slavery-from Bridgewater, by Mr. D)Exi' j fiom the parish of Pegwortb, by Mr. LEGH-KE:CX ; from Ashburton, by thei ATToRNwEY-GENERtAL ; from several places in Lancahir,% (eight petitions), by Mr. STANLEY; froM several places in Cum erland, (six or seven petitions), byllMr. Cost- wESft; trom Guildlford, in Surrey, by Sir T. BARING;, from the town and neighbourhood of Hull, by Mr. SYKEIs ; and from a town (the nam; of whicli we did not hear), by Sir J. MIACINITOSH. In preseninng this last petition, the hon. Alember observed, that it was signed by every hiopsebollder of the place, With the single and gingti. lar exception of the clergyman of the parish. For a repeal of the duty on foreign wool-from the woollen-manufacturers of Wotton-under-edge from those of Bewdley, end from those of Stroud, by Sir Wmr. 4uxsE ; from some places in Glocestershire (thiree petitions,) by Lord E. SOMlERSsET. Against any repeal of the duty on foreign wool, from the owners andl occupiers of landain the neighbourho-od of Leweq1 by Mlr. CUIRTEIS. With reference to this peatiton, Sir GEORGE CLERK observed, that it would be better for the hon. member who presented it, and for those who concurred in opi- *ion with him, to retrace thrir steps, and instead of reading lectures to the Chancellor of the Exchequer on political economy, to pra for the repeil of all the assessaltaxes at present; and next year,7 ifthe couintry should contlaue prosperous and at peace, the woollen trade and theAslk trade could ernme down and demand a repeal ofall duties by which they werr affected, a's soon as they could agree among themselves what wai best should be done for them. (Hear.) Petitions were presented ind read, from Barnard Castle. against the exportation of long -wool. From the subscribers to the Ton- tine 'armig Comanyi Irelnd, payin fora ant of public mo- ney topayoffarrarsof ret-carg, b Sr R. Shiaw. Against the utyon xcie lcenca,fom he icesedvictuallers of certain parihes n Sufolk by ir M NIG TIGALL; from the licensed vicualrs t~ oowic, Carlon,atd otber places in Kent, by, Mr. ENNRD. esise te cxibiatin las, romthe weavers of Stoc'kport, by Mlr. DAVENrORT ; fro th olcmbers of Lei- cester, by Mfr. MAlASFIELD; and from the hoot and shoemakers of Hereford, by Lord EASTNort. Against aniy alteration in the combination laws, fronm the master cotton-spininers of Preston, by M1r. STANLEY ; against the exportation of long wool, from the in- habitants of Ashburton, 'y the ATTORNEY-GENEIIAL - from Blerwick, by Sir GEo. XVVARRtENDER. Against the assesseA taxes, from thle' inhabitants of Scarboroughi, by a member whose name we did not hear. For the repeal of the house and window tax, froni Greenwich, by Sir G. KNATCHRGULL; andl from the same place by the sarne hon. mcnmber, for an amendment of the poor-laws. Against the hiides and ikiis bill, fromn the tainners and curriers of Halifax, and from those of Sheffield, by Air. S. WORtTLEY, and fronrt a town in Lancaster, by Lord STA~NLEY. For a repeal of thec the duty on Swedish andlRussian iron, fromn tkoemaster and wardens of the Cutlers' ComDany of (we believe) Amersham, by Alr. S. WORTLEY. Fromi the ship-builders of the port of Sunclerland, prayng fradiallwance In the drawback on the duties of sails and ordge ive tothe sbip-builders of Canada, or for a repeal of thedutes s tey ffetedthe ship-builders of this country, byllfr. LAaIBTO Fromth merchants oIf Bristol, by Alr. ff. DAVIS, praying to be allowed the drawbacks on imported wool. Mr. BRIGHT said a few words in support of the petition. He ,hought the dealers in wool ought at least to be put in the same Si- tuation as the dealers in silk-. WVool was the alder brother, and shouldl be allowed the advyantages which were extended to the younger child. Air. HUME presented petitions from the mechanics in the neigh- bourliood of D)udley from the journeymen boot and shoemak-ers of King's Lynn ; from the inhiabitants of Bury, in Lassoashire, and from upwards of 2,000 journeymen boot and shoemakers of WVestminster, praying for the repeal'of the combination laws.-The petitions were ordered to be referred so the comnmittee on artisans. Air. LINDSAY presented a petition from the spinners of yarn9 and weavers of Perthshire, praying for the anpointment of inspec- tors ofyan Mlr. IMAERLY objected to the prayer of the netition. SLAJVE TR ADE PIRACY RILL. Mlr. CANNING gave notice, that he would to-morrow move the third reading of the slave-trade piracy bill. He wished it to bae understood that no accident would induce him to postpone the third reading of the bill beyondato-morrow, because the success of the measure depended in a great degree upon its being carried into immediate execution. 'THE SOUTHI AMERICAN STATES. Sir J. MACINTosti, in rising to dispose of a notice of a motion whiceh he had caused to be Placed o'n the order-hook respect- ing thle states of South Anierica, hWoped that the house would allow himn to oremise a very t'ew sentences. Since he had given notice of his snoedon, he had heard two important declarations m-ade by minis. ters of the crown. It would be unparliamentary to mention the times when those declarations were made, the places in which they were made, or the parties from whom they proc~eded ; and he must thlerefore expect to be extussed for not being more explicit on those points. According, howerer, to the best of his recollection end un- derstandipg, the second of those declarations didl expressly state-he did not affect to give the predse words-that any considerable arma- mncnt from the ports of Spain, during the occuvation of that country by the French army, agalist the South American stares, would be regarded as not beingaSpirmish expedition, and consequently as com- ingwithin the princinle faxd down in the closingdepat,ach oftheright hon. Secret?r. for Foreigs Affairs to Sir Charles Stuart ilast yar. He had no dificulty in stiting, that afterhaving well consideredytela't declaration, it had made a great impression on Iiis mind; it had supplied wvhat he had considered an omission, and had ex- plained what had aptuared to him to be ambiguious in the papers whiich had been laid before the houise. That declaration had so isuch narrowed the ground on which any lmmnediate and practical measure could rest, as to -render it, in his opinion., very unadvisable, at the present moment, to preeein a motion wh3ch nmight be understood in Europe, and in Amrc,to imply thatthe intentions of the British Govarnment were mistrusted. (Hear.) Another circumstance had also influ- enced him with regard to -he determination to which be bad come. He had heard, from a quirter which he considered as trustworthy, but wvhich, being of a private nature, did not carry with it t'he weight of the official diaracter which was attached to the de. claration' to which lie hadjust alluded, that a great Power of theI continent had declined to bai , party to the threatened congress on the isubject of tie South American States. He could not say thatI he lied been influenced by the ambiguous lapguage which the Mli- nisters of France heel thought fit to put 'into tdie miouth of their I King, in his late speech, isor, indeed, if the language of that docuiment had beeni much more explicit, wouild he liave placed the least reliance upon it, when he recollected the striking contrast which existed between the public professions and the secret1 policy of the French Governmnent inl1822 aridI1823. On account of the circumstanesliebhad mentioned, all of which had occurred since hie had given his ntioce of motion, he nowv begged leave to withdraw it. He mightbhave postponed it to a future day; but lie consi- derea it' thje fairer and maore manly course to withdraw it altogether; still, however holding ministers responisible for every monieat of unnecessary dely int acknowleaging the indepndence of the South American States, awd reserving tgo himself ethel right ofI bringing the qu9stion forward, if he should see cause hereafter. (Hear.) MIr. CANNING hoped that he might be allowed to say a few words upon the present occasion, thouigh such a proceeding might I not be strictly regular. Hlis honourable and learned friend I was, of course, at liberty to make, or to postpone, or toI ivithdraw hiis mnotion, as should appear to himself mostI convenient. Ifth hon. and learnied gent. had pressed Iiis miotion I he would 'have extorted from him (Mr.-Canning) some remiarks, anA in withdrawing it the honourable and lean-,ed gentleman hadI aff.rded him some temptation for entering into discussion. But he thlought that he should best consult his duty in abstaining froni making any remarks oni what his honourable and learned friend had I stated. (Hear.) flIe only, trsised the house to bear this in mind- I that he neither affirmed nor denied thle dleclarations whihliihhis honourablefriend h.idstated tohavebeen made. - The notice of motion was then withdrawtn. DUTY ON HEMlEP. Air. illABBRLY presented a petition from certain ship-owners I (we believe of London), praying for the reduction of the duty on I hemp. t Atr. HIJMtE said that he, and several gentleman on his side of I the house had supported the reciprocity duties bill last year, only I because a pledge was given on the part of }Government that tfie duties 1 on hemnp and timber should be reduced, in order that the British I ship-owners might have achance of conepeting with foreigners. i The CHlANCELIFLOR of the- EXCHE QUER denied that Go. f vernment had given any pledge to reduce the duty or timber em- t ployea in ship-building. Vith respect to the duty on hemp, how- I ever, his impresEion was, that it shontd be reduced at the earliest mo- t mnent possible. After a few words from MIr. BRIGHT, MIr. C. GRANT, and Dlr. HuisnE, the petition was orderedl to lie gn the table. Mr. Alderman HEYGATE presented a petition froi the inn- r keeper.4 and licensed yictuallers of Sudbury, praying for tle repeal c of the duty on licences. Colonel WOOD presented a petition from the woolstaplers lof I Radnor, yraying that drawbacks might be allowed on imported wool. r Dlr. BUTTRW(ORTH presented a petition from the inhabi t tants of Haversfield, praying for the abolition of slavery in the c West Indies. I t Mr. 31M NCK presented a petition signed bv several respectable r yeomen ofthe county 6fBerks,slganstthegamelaws' amendmentbilL r THE ASSEISSED TAXES. s Lerd CLIFTON presented apetition from the inhabitants of the c citgrfCanterbur praying forthe reweal of the assessed taxes. e Ar. DABERIY said, tist when he had given notice on a former c night, of r motion to repeal the asscd taxes, the right hon.gentle. r 'ian oppD.4te and his friends, set uP a laugh. They, would fi .owever, that the sense of the country wouldd, before long, be lou expressed in favour of that measure. In consequence of- the sur which the Chaucoellor of the Exchtequier had caused to be madi houses and windows on what he Waes pleased to Call a pinciple equal justice, the dtities had been raised 26 per cent Il over country. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUtR said, that I was not the convenient mode of discusn such a multipliciti topics as were embraced in the lion=urable emrber's speech; I he: assured hinm, that if -- laughi was given at his side of the hou he did not participate in it, and supposed it must have been ated from the circutmstance of dhD bonourable miember hiaving ?pportunely fixed his mot:on for a day (the King's birth-day drs ing room) wYhen it wias not ik-ely the house would sit. If the b1 menmber meant to charge him with treating the wishes of the pee withi indifThrence whien he considered his plan of taxation, he m, say that the honoiurable member made a charge which had nt shadow of foundation (hear, hear); ancl lie ap ealedI so thoseKi heard him when he replied to the speech of the ~onourable meml] for WIestmeinster (Alr. Hobbouse) to refute the insinuation. Wi resec to the re-sturves', which was ordered by the tax-office, thIe win-dow tax assessment, lie could assure the honeurable gt tleman that the order was snot made to increase the amount oft assessment upon indlividuals beyond their fair amount undert previous system ; and his intention in sanctioning that order ict that if, upon an adjustment, there appeeared an excess over and abo the due sum, it would fuirnish him witli a reason to propose aI centum reduction quoad that excess. (Hear, hear.) So thiat hisi tention was rathier to reduce the amo'unt, than screw out more fre the peelcets of the people. (Hear, hear.) Mlr. iiABERLY said that hehad not charged the rigit hon.ge tleman witlh laughing, but he would assert again that his colleagu laughied. Air. flUME strongly recommnended a repeal of the assessed tax( Sir THOMIAS LETHiBRIDGE concurred in this recomme: elation, and hioped thte ministers would give the subject their bests tention. He also wishedl that the right hon. gentlemnan would allt tucch windowvs as had been stopped up on account of the tax, be re-openied wvithout additional payment. Suchi a permission, besid other adv?nti&es, would create a largo demanid B3r glass (a lauigh withouit dilraijshing the reveniue. Mr. X16HOLSONT CALVERT said, that every gentleman 1h5 a plan to propose to the Chancellor of the Exchequier he whio wi [ more immealately anxious to relieve tlhelower classes, who were a fectea by the duties on m-alt, coals, candles, soap, &c., wished raeducion upon these articles. It was clear that when thiey took- 2 a week from the wages of the labouring mani, they added that aiouii to the price of labour upon the public.hi ourbefenlw l plede hs wod o honur nd udertandng,that he thought a rc elecionof dty pon he rtices e ha naed wvould reduce thle pric tothepooer lases ne alfenn, h would go hand inx ban LATIHER DUTIES. Sir H. PARNELL presented a petition from certain tanners Ireland, comiplaining of- the ma.nner in whichl the leather duties we] levied upon them. The CHlANCELLOR of.the EXCHEQUER said, that the sul ject had been under his consideratinn, and Le should probably ha, proposed some definitive resoluttion respecting it, were it not that ti inquiry had been taken up by the commissioners who were carryir on certain inquiries in Ireland, and whio, particularly attracted. b its importance, were, he understood, preparing their report, Whit of course would enable the house better to see what ought to be don Mr. ELLIS said, that the tanners of' Dublin were grevousi affected under the present mode of collecting the~ duties. Why ni adopt the same mode in Ireland as was pursued in England in th. resec. CL AF sadthtithtwere done, the Irish tatelai woud hve orereaon o cmplin hanhe liad atprgesent. Soc aftr Este, h mentso rin th whlesubject under t-he cons dersisaof te huse.Thepetiionwas aidon the table. Sir l. W RILEY resnteda ptition from the tanners Newcatle,agaist ese hdes nd sins'bill. TLTRNPIKE ACTS. M~r. CRIPPS brought forward his motion, in pursuance of the at tice he had given, for leave to bring in a bill to amenid andl consol date the turnpike acts. The house would recollect that a higI wiay antIl turnpike act of enorm;ous lengtli, the latter corSa'ir ing 150 clauses, were enacted in the year 1822. So comPlicate were the clauses, that it was essentially necessary they should be explained,to enatble magistrates properly to comprehienldthe mneanii, of the law. There was at pre.sent the greatest difficuilty upon th executive part of the subject, and he wvas particuilarly an-xious1 have the clause altered, wvhiclh for one ofience affixed a mazima,z penalty of 51., but no m?injiesznr. sum. This, he thought, ought at lo be left to the discretion of magistrates. There was an apPealt the sessions, if' the penalty exceeded 0. u oeaeta pe there prevailed a practice of fining only 39s. One evil of these act was, their inordinate length ; an4 the concolidation which he prc posed woald, by shortenring, obviate that serious inconvenience. I the hon. member below him (1r. F. Lewis) mneant to pursue th subject, he (M1r. Clripps) wvould not press the matter : otherwise h must move for leave to bring in. a bill to consolidate and amend th several acts passed in the 3d and 4th of Geo. IV. relating to turrPie roads. 11r. FRANKL.' ND LEWIS would be happy to afford the hoi member privately every information in his powver ; but the hoeis would recollect thiat he (Mr. Lewis) brought in thle two bills nac solught to be consolidated, by, the express, desire of a coinmittee e that house. In the proceeding of the hon. gentleman, he woulc however, strongly recoiimend him not to consolidate the turrpik andbhighwvay acts, but to keep both distinct. At presentbhe vas us aware whether the mneasures in operation had liad a fair trial. Sir 3. Wl.N. RID LEY said, that a nsaterial lioint hadl already bee gained by the consolidation which 5'ad bean effected. Hqe, bowevec wrished to see more of the practical operation of rIse present bill! Until that was allowed,, bae was persuadled that any hasty alteratio' wvould lead to confusion, insteadl of obviating it. He thought th miatter ought not to be taken up unitil next session. Mlr. PEEL concurred in the wish that his honourable frien, would withdraw his motion for the present. Let them await year or two o f further experience, and then come practicdly t the consideration of a permanent nmesure. AIlr. C41IPPS said, that as a mazistrate and a commissioner, h Was only redeemninic a pledge lie had given in bringing forward th present motion. He was, however, upon the understanding whic prevailed, ready to withdraw his motiou.-The nodoton was accord ingly withldrawn. STATE OF EDUCATION IN IRELAND. Sir JOHN NEWPORT, in rising to bring forward the motiel af which lie had given notice, felt inipressed with the grrat import tace of the subject to the general interests of the country. I it were a question which required any, display of eloqtience, P any great ability to enforce its adoption, lie should( have let it to be managed by abler hand-,: but whiatever differences tlier axisted respecting the mode of applying a remedY in this case [it was happy to say that there was none upon the broad prin ,iple of extending as widely as possible the bernefits of educa ion in Ireland. In bringing this subject forward, lie mieant first ti tubmit to the houise what hadl been dfone in Ireland to give elfVect ti -.he application of the parlianientary and private funds which wer, lestined for purposes of education in that country. fie. was sensibl Cf the difficulty ofteouchingaquiestioni which invslIved the conflictin1 spinions upon mailers to delicate as their religious tenets but h, -ould assure the house,that lie wvould carefullv abstain froin introduc ring any thing whlich was calculated to excitethie sm-allest acrimoniou: ~celitig in any quarter. i(Hear.) He would Proceed to give a brie ;ketch of whiat hiad been already done in Irelandt respecting educa ion. So long aFo as January of the year 1787, the Irish Parliamentt lye years after it had established its legislative independence, on tlb recoisimendatiozi of the Lardl Lieutenant, appointed six comluission !rs to see whiat lied been done by the charity sthools of the kingdon mn promoting education, Those comlmissioners, in the April follow Lng, brought in a bill to carry into effect certain objects whlich the, recommendedl. it was passed into an act during thesanme sessiori %nd was continued bY twvo other acts dowvn to June, 1796, whien i expired, alniost witliout producing any practical results whiatever rhe subject then slumbered for mnany years, and was not again taker .sp till the year 1806. At thlat tinie, minutes of the evidence wliicl iad been taken. beferre the comlmissioners fell by accident into hii -iands. As thecy developed considerable, abuise in thie imanagement o various schiools in difrerent parts of Ireland, lie felt it to he matter o luty to lay them before the then Lo9rd Lieutenanit. The Liirs liieutenant, oniperusinig theta, thought that a commiission ought ti Ce issued for the pi[urpose of investigation;, and accordlingly' a bil ens imimediatelv brought into Parliamient to authiorize the appoint. rientofsuch co&nmission. After itlmad receivedtslitsanctionof Parlia. nent,thie Lord Licutenanst proceeded, as he wvas empowered to do, ts ;elect six commissioners, who were to nsieet five othier conmnissionert ippointed by the Coisansissioniers for Charitable Donations. Thes( :ommissioners imniediately proceeded to exa-mine into ther state 01 lie institutions for education in Ireland.. znd in the course-of theim ahoers made severl very excellent revolts oni the subject. Thmeim L4th report, whichl was given iii to Government in October, 1812, saat that to whichi he mnore particularly svished to call the attention if the house. Thle right lion, gentleman t'ien proceeded to rd eada veral extracts frOm this report, recomnmendingi, tlint in all attetrpt, ,o diffuse thieblessings o1f education amlong the people of Ireland, not nerely the realitybutev.enthea~ppearanceof proselyti-smshould be svoided-tlmatallinterference vitlitise religioustenetso'fauysect-should sediligently sliunnied,andtliat such insitruction should be givei to all, ts would enable thens to juthge correctly for themselves. T-Lhe re- Cart, he likewvise stated, conitained comiplaints, that in mnost ot' the choos fundd b roal uniicece,tuition was so expensive as o deter the inhabitants of thle towns in whichl they vetre situated 're sedin thir hilrento hemforinstruction. lNow as therc ens grat esie i thepeole f lelasdto obtain instruction for Astr cilden,buta geatdisiketo btan itgratuitoxislv, bethought hat sme ncasueough lob adoted,to renider tile rate of tuition it hes istiutiti les brdnsoe. As the master in miost of beeau chuola received a salary, vary-ing froni 6001. to 1,0001. year, he was of opinioii that they charged too mnuchlifor lay scholars iii charging fromn six so twelve guineias a year for hem-a fde which, considering thle poverty of thle majority of she seole of Ireltnd, amnounted. t0 a positive exclusion. Tile revenue if the diocesan schools was unequal; h ut he knew that there w as a Ichool at Derry, supported by funds which put-into the hands of the naster 900I. a year. It 1as only just to the public companies of the ity of London, to say that in the north of Ireland, wvhere their an;ded property gave them influence, they paid great attention to the ducation of theis teuiantry ^ and he trusted that the exaumle wvhich hey had set would be followved in other quarters, as it was a system letter calculated thais any otlier to promote the welfare ansd iappiiess of the community. He swas aware that the efforts vhichi had alreadev been made. to diffuse knowledge amimong the meople of Ireland; had been viewed with considerable jealousy; mut he was sure that the LegisiatLure would make allowance or it, wben they recollected that they, as Protestants, ivere proposing o give education to a people, of which the niesjoritv were Catholics. Ie was anxious t0 do every thing in his power to control and allay liat jealousv ; and he did not knosv of any method umore likely to inroduce tbat effect than by giviimg to all classes of Ireland the means if educatioii without at all interfering with their religious prejudiaces. rhat was his view of the case. That much had vet to be doae to nake all the inhabitants of Irelandparticipiste in lhe bencfits of edu- ation, ail of them, lie believed, agreed, though thev niglht perhaps lifer in some rcspecta as to the best meanis of doing it. Hle trusted, !owever, that the legislature would apply itself to thatquestion with nost serious attention. To biin it appeared that there wvere only wo measures by which the object which all of themu had in view ould be effected: the one was the appointment of a comumittee of hat houseto inquire into thesubject liere; andthe other the appoint. aenut3f a commission to proceed to Ireland, and to institute an exa. nination oa the spot. He was inclined to propose the latter jmea. urez-first, because it was luost agreeableto the Goversinient; next, ecause comrmissioneis on the spot would bt able X examine more ffectually than a committee here; and lastly, because he was in- lined to augur well from the appointment of a commission, by a ecollectioii of the great benefitwhich the public had alreadyre. ad, i ceived flom. the laboan df two former t6mi lisicns in ratalm. -.1r aythen moved tkfe resolution to the f'oUowinig effect.... Thta lin vey ble aadress be presented to his Majesty rang Thathew bClih of clouslypleased to issue acommission undter the Great Sel a oit of iug coninrissioners to inquire into the natr ande len "of thes- the struction afforded by the institutions for educationi in Ireland, which aremaintained inwhioIcor in part fromithe publicfnd- i his into the Etate and condition of diocesan and district schools, t ite, ' of nature of those institution-to ascertain what regultions Prevail ia tnt theparochial schools, and to wlhat extent they are carried..4rld tore- ~se, port their opinion as to the best measures to be adopted for extend. re- ing the benefits of qducation to the whole body ef the people of Ire- in- land, without religious distinction;- and also, that he Wi. b w- ciously pleased to direct, that a copy of their report be placed upo in. the table of that hiouse." Dle Mr. GOULBURN said, that after the very temperate anid judi- ast cioud, speech of the righ lt hon. baronet, he couild have.no hesisoi0on ta in declarine that he was perfectly w iig to concur in the address ho which- the iight lion. baronet had moved to the Crown; and b,li ser w~iUlingtoconcurinit, hethougthtit wouldbeauidle waszfteof- g, ~th of the house, if lie were to detain it, by declaring hiso nindividual of orinions on the imiportant subject of euaIa te lower order, pt n- the people of Ireland. He knew that there wias, and had been for he some time past, a strong desire in the people of Ireland to obtain he education. Indeedl, Parliament had contributedllarge sums of tile. is, ncy-to enable thiem to gratify that desire; and be wes happy to SaI ve that its exertions had not lbren unassisted by the exertions of msn.,y* Cer public-spirited individuals in Ireland. If upon this Occasion, h, n- augured mnore favourably in favour of ihe efforts of Parliament, m than hie had ever done upon a former Occasion, it was not because he saw a greater zeal in Parliament, but because he saw the attention n- of the highier classes of the community more seriously directed to es the grave and important tak of difisusing knowledge among their' less en i htened fiellow..countrymen. (EHear, hea. S. M.7SII ITIl considered the concession which had just beern I..made to his right bonourable friend such a proof of the liberality of- t- Governmpent. that he should abstain from making the olbservation& w which he had intended to offer to their consideration upon entezing. to the house that evening. He recolletuel some yeas's ago hearing at es rihloo ble gentlemnan making large promises of the benefit, wchIeand was to receive from a plan of his for the better educa3. tion of its poorer inhabitants. What had been the effects derived d from the execution of that plan, he did not know ; hut he had look., IS ed insvain in the history of events for a fulfilment of the promisesi f. which theeight hon. genit. had formerly mnade-liehbad looked in vain a for the peace, conte-ntment, conciliation, and good order wvhich the s. right hlonoutrable gentleman had proudly predicted would flow It from it. Hie impressed upoii the house the strong necessity which existed fordiffuising education among the lowcdr orders of Ire-. d1 land. Our horses and dogs were trained by a long course of ser- !_ vice to Derform the duties we ex:pected ftom them.- but the. it Irishma6 we left to his own vices and follies alone, and. daall that we did to correct them -was to transport or hang himn. That was a degree of injustice against which he should for ever pro- test. (Hear.) For his own part he nmust say, that he should have preferred a committee of the house to the proposed commirsston, he- .ncause there was nothing like a committee for obtaining on any sub- re ject the trutli,the wlio e tr.,th, and nothing but the truth. The poor in Ireland were in. a state of ignorance hardly credible ; in y ,.re-spects they wero scarcely above thie level of the brute cretjo/ ' I 'e was therefore the duty of Parliament to lose no timne in sea' to le amloate thieir condition, anid to exalt them in the s%cale of human gbens ngland could not go on long without a more intimnate uno with Ireland; and the recollection of that circumstance led 7hhim to call upon the Government to change its ancient systemi of po-. licy towards thiat country. They must first give its inhabitants the- ymeans of education, then the means of employmenit, and lastly, a. )t participation in the privileges of the constitution. (Hear, bear4~ It The value of the proposed commission would depend entire'~uo thie mnanner in which its members were selected-he caredlte ~rwhethier they vwere Protestants or Catholics ; but he trusted they ,~would be men who would enjoy the respect and coafidlence of tha f-country. iMr. PEEL said, that no man was maore deeply impressedl with ,f the importance of the subjet than hiusiself ; yet he would not have risen, but for the course of observation having led the honourable memiber for Mlidhurst to make soi e allusion to a speech whichl -hle once had the honour to address to the house. He recoUectedl well the opinions whiceh he then expressed uon the necessity of some. plan of universal edctin; eh never on any occasion. fouird reason to alter those opinions. Thie honourable mem-. dbher observed, that he sawr nothing in the general tranquillity e of Ireland to elucidate the effects of any such system if it had been g applied to Ireland. The hon. gcntleman would not deny that verY e great care and reflection had been applied ; and it was anot because Dthe state of the country had been unusually turbulent since rt 1818, that the house were therefore to despair. Hle would satisfy the *t lion, gentleman that he had not neglected to do his duty accord.. 1 ig to the opinions which be had then expressed ; for, net only- 0had he done alt in htis power to give effect to those Opinions in drawing up the 13tlh report of toie conimission,butin the biln which he had brought in pursuant to the labours of the commission, which fwas a bill for the befter regulation of schools endowed by charity. e whether public or private, it was declared in thsepreamble that these e abuses did exist which the hon. gentlemani supposed him (Mlr. Peel) e unwilling to admit. As, shortly after that time, he became discon- e necte(i w~ith office in Ireland, he did not knowv how far the commis- sion had succeeded in doing away with those abuses. If anyof them should remain, theywould befit objects for the treatment o' thie new e commission. As to any general plan of education, hefeared that theme ,.might be somediSlicultyfoundin thepubilefeeliingof the consinunity, f which mustalwayscommniand soineattention.Were the tiovernkieat to, pooean act conveying surmaiarypowers for establishing a general plan of education, it m.-ight Create alarm, anxiety, and jealousy : *t but though this had been his feeling at the time alluded to he had remained inactive. He had joined ant association of gentiemen of nclifferent veligions. persulasions. the express object of which was to extend education. WVhen they began, in 18115, tley had riot one school : in three years after, they had establislied _20 schools: in the following, they were increased to fi13 - the year after, to 727; eand now thiey were 1,100. The plan of this association was to haya Catholics and Protestants edlucated together, convinced, as they -were, jthat whatever diff'erence there might be in their religious belief, they, would, throug'hout their lives, be bound together in friendship from , the'ir early intimacv. He had no doubt of great good bring done by the inquiries of tbii commission ; many imnprovements might be dis. eatrvered, were itonlv by comparisonk of one portion of the schools with e the arrangements of anlother, and by Observing the consequences of each system. At all events, let the house hiave the facts' betbre them, and le~t them call on the COMM issoneTs for an ovinion upon some ge-,c nemal andl feasihle plan. Undoubtedly the value of the commis- .sion would mainly depend upon the maniner of filling up the appoint. ments, which would be a grave and solemnt duty for te advisers of -thieCrown. He pledged hiimself that the Government- would seek no foteobettnthtogiigtegets efficacy to tie commis.. rin n aifigtedsrso h os for the improvement of E r! R W LO prve fte adoption of some liberal ana enlghtnedpla ofnatona edcatonunder the sanction of Parlia- inene:bt thr were peculiar obstacles in the nature of thle subject. -He would nee urrender the picpeta education, to be useful, or rather not to be mischievous mutb neparably connected wvith m-oral and reliiu instructin alhug ir. Hume, andl some other greataswl as good men eesi to have been of no reli- gion. The petiino tie Catoi Bishops, presented the other day, objected to the reading of the Bbe in the schools wvithout note or commnent: it also declared ag-ainst the searation of literary and re- liin dction. In the genea sense of tiis last objection he con- curred with themn: but the Bishops, of course, meant by religiouls f education, religion inculcated under Roman Catholic forms. NoW lie did not want to enforce the readinig of thbe Bible in the schools as a primer or class book, yet he must require this much at least-that' the Bible be read by the grown population. He did not want to -imake converts, and proselytes of the children in the schools. He was' of'opinion that the difference on this point would he faital to any plan for educating the Psotestants and Catholics together. Some indul- gence oiight be allowed to the sentinients of the Catholic clergy ; and on the other hand some concession must be required from them. tPerhaps the commission would eiscover some neutral ground u~p- on whiich, throwing aside their differences,the two parties could unite for the -ommn on good of the wvhole.-The motion was then carried. THE CONDITION,L OF THE LABOURING CLASSES. L-ord JOHN RUSSELL, after having presented the pctition of Mlatthew phillips, praying for investigation into the condition of rthe labouiring classds, went on to move for a select committee for I that purpose. One of the great causes Of complaint upon this iater. estin ubject was, the customn of pay ing the labourers a poition of Itheir wge ot of the poor~rates: one of the resolutions which lie woul have t propose in that committee was a recoin. mendantion to nuagistrates not to allow, for the future, any Iportion of the wages of labour to be paid out of the poor-rates by Ithe overseers. There were twvo modes of' proceedling : that of stop- pintde evil at once; by legislative prohibition-not to prevenit those Iwho had been in the hiabit of receiving this species of relief, buit to do s aay ntielyfo th fuure; te ther mode was that oDf carry. - ig ito ffbt te poviion ofa bllbrought in some timne ago by. I te rghthon get.,formakng ditictoio betweeni the industrfZ ousanddesrvig por nd hos ofan o,pposite character. He conclued bymovingfor teapp intet ora a slct committee to - iquie ito he ondtio ofthelaburig casss,particularly witlh a vie to the practice of paying part ofthwae of labour outt of the poor-sates; and to report their pno hro otehue Mlr. PEELsaid, that he Oinly diflrdtm h olloduo h terms of Isis usotion, ,vhich were easil atred. Anrnur it h conidition of the labouring claisses was too wvide a fild-twsvn turing on an unknown voyage without chart or compass. Wthat ls- hour wouldI they inquire into ? There were. various classes-..some agrculura, sme ercntile, sonteenmaniufaicturinig; and many parts oftithe couintry hatd its labouring population of all three. It were better to appoint a comosittee to inquire into the specific prarrpce -omlplained of; as it was always impolitic to bUrden a conir.A.e wiith more carethan was necessary for the particular question. jue noble lord would perfectly attain his Object by moving for a coin. mittee to inquire into the psactice of payring part of the wages of la- houir out ot' the poor-rates; and to report their opinion upon the mneans thae mostp roper to he adopted for abolishing the said practice. Lorld j. RUSSElLL assected to the piroposed alteration. Nlotion carried. Sir H. HARDINGE obtained leave to bring in a bill to remove doebts as to certain property fornmerly vested in the Comptroller of the Barrack, now tranferred to the Ordnance Department. tr. CROKER obtained leave to bring in a bill for the purchase of lands fbr the use of the V"ictualling Departnent at Plvmouth. The silk bill was read a third time and passed. GAME-LAWS' AMl FND;IENT BIlL,. Thie house resolved into a comtmittee, to consider further of the report. The following clause was rcad :_ I And be it fitrtler enacted, That all bares, rabbits, pheasants, partridges, grouse, black gaine, heath and tloor game, bastards, woodcocks, snipes, quails, landrails, zild ducks, teal and widgeons and the young and eggs thereof, fbund in or upon any eoclokeij laud, are and sball be deemed to be the property of the per.on or persons, body qr bodies politic, corporate, or collegiate, seized of, or entitled aS owner or owviers thereof in possession (and not in rever- sion) to the land on which the same shal be found * and anl hares, rabbits, pheasants, partridges, gwrose, black gatme, heath asnd moor game, bustards, *oodcocks, snipes, quails, kmndrails, wild ducks, teal and widgeojs, found in and uponany stinted Dasture uienclos. ed conmmon or waste land, ate and shaU bedeemed tobestheproperty of the lord or lady. lords or ladies of the manor, lordship or royalty within which such 'stinted pasture, unenclosed commor. or waste land slhall he situated; and it shall be lawful for the person or persons, body or bodies politic, corporate or colle gate, so entitled tothe game within their town lands, and for the lordor lady, lords or ladies of the manor, lordship or royalty so entitled to tlhe property in the gan!e on such stiuted rasture, upenclosed common or waste lands re- spectively, to demise and let the game -to be found thefeln." - Lord M1ILTON objected to the insertion in this clauise of seve- ral animals under the description of game, vhich had never until now been so considered, WAoodcocks, which were of allanimalb perhaps the most wild, and which were not game under thecommon law of Wu cntry, although uinder the reveitue laws they bad bwi T."3dail, uadqAcks, teals an igon,adthe pro"et of thSlm was ta be vested in the owners of the landi upon which they rnight be tound. Thia would lbe, in poilnt of fact, to give an enotmous extent to thne game laws, which were alreadY a heaw grievance to the people of this country. The object of l I2ew enlactmeints shrould he, to do away with this Itrievance, land to diminish the quantity of crime whbich the existing lawg 'were known to produce; but here he found, its limine, that the 'act before the house would haye an operation directly contrary. The house should not considerthe amusement of country gentlemen alonle, but the temptations to which the people were exposed, and thermeais of removingthemn. lie oljected tooalthe clausesOf the bill, and would wilingly get rid of legslation altogether upon the Subject, batbe was-articularly hostile to that part of the bill which wouldcreal'.ias'teadof one, half adozenlordsof themanor. Byoneof the clauses. evryowneroffi0acrsoflandwasto becomeentitled tool the game4ikahhould be found on thatiand.In other words,it would Vest iWW persons instead of one, thait which was not in its nature fapable of being the property of any individual; andI thus would lncrWae tenfold AMl the evilsi which were found to arise fronm the gamnelaw- Totheprinciple of legalizing the sale of ,ame, he sub- shciled ; hut he did not apn rove of rtae motle in which it was pro- posed to carry that principrleit fetb is3 flcne e sirahle as it was that the sale inoeffaecthul byesal permitten,heeswas 3DO way in whitch it could of gaccmeiAhoul bxepemtted, thereg awas all- venaltie%.a,nd ceasing to~ begisateonmte sibjed.ttb aigaa Sir J. S IH agreed with the noble lord, that the opra- tion Of thne game law& was unpopular andI injurious; buthe did not agre 'With him as to gJie caustes to whiclh he referre those cOnsequences. Hedisapproved ofthe lwaw,becausethey confined the enjoyment of game to certain privilegied classes, and shut the peo- Pleat largeo if oit A man whow~as not qualified by being the son of a soluiTe or in some other way, could not even shoot on his Own land. Wi at reason could be fairly ie h twsipoe thlat amenn should be permitted to shoo te game he feeds, and to let his friends shoot it too if they wished ? For his own part, being us he wvas to a certain extent, a preserver of game, he knew there 'Was n3o return he could malke so agreeable to many persons on whom be was Inclined to bestow a small civility, as to g,ive them a day's shootinLg. rt was.not byffiving themgamne,fort tat theycould, aud 'olettiang them come and tkie house wellklnew (hear, hear) ; but by letingthe coe ad kllit for themselves ; and yet, however he 'Was Inclined to do so, lie was not permitted,unless siuch pe~rsons were qualified. If one of his tradesmea had behavedl wefll in waititn Patiently for his bill (a laugh), or in any other way, an'dhe(i Sebright) wished to express his sense of the mnan's civilitybygvn 'him a little sport, be could not do so, because the honesttrdsa Was niot qualied ; while a squire's son, who might be a pauper in the workhouse, could shoot over al the manors in the kingdom. This was thecause of the -unpopularity of the game laws; sand it 'was3 because there was one and not ten lords of manors, that the jealousy, which Was aL Very poeon,existed an the part of the people. Mlen who were not qualife drtnot take their guns in their hands; they were not only debarredI from shooting game, even on their own lands, for their tables, buit they were absolutely ohibited from shooting a hare in their own defence. (A laug~h.) 10e'disliked alsuch privileges, and thoug'ht the right of' shooting lki5J[ne aught to be thrown open to the proprietors of land- and that tlit_y who produced the game should have v. right to do wit6i it what. L-rd NOTON.excplained. AMr. S. WORTL~EY entreated the house to confinie its attention to the subject of the clause before them, and not to sulfer questions upon the general xrinciple of the bill to be disCUSSEd until the clause should be disposed of. His noble friend's objection Nid been, he thought, founded in) a mistalce,because he seemed to suppos that there was a penalty, attached to killing those animals which were n3ow first to he called game. It was not so; but the property of such amimals was vested in the owners of the soil on which t ey were -grown o0r should be found, and pey3ons unlatsfully kiling themn in- curred nonpenalty, hut were liableto the consequenices of the trespass. No unqua ified miae could go on the land of another and kill any of thlis gamne; but if he kiled any of that whfich hadabefore been called gaMe, then he incurred the penalties which had been berore pro- vided for that offence. If a man hadlonly afoot of land, he might '3fll all the game he could find on it. MVr. BERNAL wished to know whether, as the bill declared these animals to lie the property of the owner of the soil, persons killing-them were to beconsidered as committing afelon ? .11r. AIONCK objected to the words "1rabbits, wild Yucks," and others, describing animals which were not before considered as game. He thought they extended on the bill too far; but if they were omit- ted, he had no obiection to the clause. BlIr. S. WORTLEY wished the word " rabbits" to be retained, because the common pretence under which poaching was extensively arried on was, that the persona committing it were in seatrch of rabbits. Mr. . SFTZ, tinkng hatthenotions about game wvere so looe ad nsetle, hatpeoledidnotreard it in the same light as o~hep~e~,objct~lhat ny oherpenalty, shouild be ainnexed to te volaionof t tan ttahedto rdiarytre.'passers. Mr. . WOTI~Y wa disose to iveup the words after Several verbal amendments were made. Mlr. BEIRNAL repeated his wish to know whether th ecaryn away isuch game as was mentioned in the bill was to be considr 3as afelony arzainst the owners ? BMr. S. VORTLEY said that the penalty of 40s. providedl by the act was the only one whiclh it was intened to infict;t but, to pre- vent all milsconstruction on this hiead, he proposed to add a clause, declaring that no otber penalties than those mentioned in the bill 'should attach. Aftersomefurrther discuassion,theclause, as amended,wasagreed to. Mlr. GOULBURN objected to the clause, which transferrea the right to the game from the lord af the manor to the owrner ef the land, and instanced his own ease. He was lord of a manor in ..-which bhe htd snoland, but was in -possession of the tithes, andbe 6ad bitherto enjoyed (with the permission of the occopiers) the ri,ht of -sporting over the whole of the manor; but by this clause, his situa- tion wouldl be materially altered, and that greatly to his dlisadvan- tage. Re knew thehouse would not leg_islate upon particular cases, but the situation in wvhich he stoodiwao that of many other persong. Mr. BERiNAL contended that lords of manors (not being owners of the land) had no right whatever to shoot aver it without licence, and that the clause would not materially intrench upon azy mnanorial rights. Sir JOHN WROTTESLEY only wished, that on whatever footing the iights of ILors of manors at present stood, they should so remainl. M3r. Alderman REYGATE stated the case of a person who had verv recently purchased a manor, for which he had given 1,4001. andtif this cl3ausepassed,hiewould beclearly cheatedout of that stum. Air. CRIPPS was hostile to the clause; and he wishid to know 'whether the rights of lords of manors, let them be what they would at presn t, would not be materially altered if the bill passed. r.S. WORTLEY defended the clause. He thought that the rights, as they existed at p resent, subject to impediments at every step, were not worth a fairthing ; and that, on the whole, he gave to lords of msanors more than he took away by making the game on un- enclosed. lands property. Lord MIILTON could notbt thbink there was agreat interference with the tights of property by the present bill; and before the house n,hould so interfere, they ought to be assured of the benefits which vwere likcely to arise from it. He should be ready to agree to it, if any Freat advantage could he shown to be derived from it; but he thouihc the operation would be. prejudicial, for it would in- crease instead of diminish the grievances of the game laws. The commitree were sitting tto clear the county gaols from the num- ber of criminals with which they were filled under the game laws. That was the great grievance ; hut by this bill the number of enclosures wonld be increased, andi consequently the number of persons interested in prosecutions, andahe feared the number of of- fenders-would also be increased. M.r. PEEL was not prepared to say whether it would be better to pass the bill with the present clause, or to try the experiment of nakcing the game saleable, lvIng he rights of lords of maniors as they were; but he wished to se=o his hon. friend (Mlr. Wortley) intended to deal with the new created rights. Mlr. WORTLEY held it to be impossible to pas a law making gamne saleable, and yet leave the right to it in the hands of those who bad not contributed to the expense of feeding it. M1r. PEEL minch doubted whether it would not be 'setter for his honourrible friend, in the first instance, to limit his expseriment. Sir JOFIN SEBRIGHT a-greed with his honourable friend (Nlr. Wortley) that to malte gamne saleable, andl retain it in the handa of a ptivileged class, was what the country would not enflure. Mr. BANKS objected to the clause as being only experimental, and yet it was impossible, if it shouldl be found injurious, that the house could retrace its steps; and if the alteration were made, he doubted, whether there would be one poacher the less; the gaols would be as full, but the offenders woul-d then pass under the namne of thieves, Lord,BINNING agreed, that unless great benefit were to be e:c. pect-d, this clause ought not to be adopted; yet the piresent state of thing waszso abominable, thathbe would be glad to adopt anymina- sure wbirh would promise an atnelioration. Mr. EVANS very rpgch approved of that principle in the- bill which give the property in game to the lords of the mnanor. Sir JOHN 'NHELI BY took certain objections to the bill in general, but the confusion prevailing in the house- prevented us fromn hearing the nature of them with any distinctness. The CumRsr.wt then put the question on the amendment of the clause, which was carried withouit a division ; it being to this cf~t...." And in all casea in which game shall be demnised or let, the use and property of the same shall be deemed to be vestMd in thle person to Xhom it sallz be so let or demaised." Sir JOHN WTROTTESLEY was exceedingly anxious that the sale of game should be perimitted, bectiuse he well kneWv it could notlbe prevented, lie, however, only asked now, that theper. - sive rights which land-owners at present possessed of appointing maie-keepers, &C. should be retaied and reserved to them. He nad no objection t6at theY should be warned off if that should -ba- thiought necessary, by the owners of the game unaer the new rediila; tlon, provided this lignt were reserved to the landlord. Mlr. GOULBURN thought the hon. baronet's proposition wo-uld defeat the general ob'ects of lords of the mianors as to game. The gallery was then (leared for a division the numbers were.-. For the clause as amnended, 821 Against it, 2V I Majority, 53. Mir. BERNAL objected to the second clause, as authorizing in -eymn casey -qa V_- - l~i~ia' xst- cnrat .rew-e lndlrd and tenants, wnere a ngght of killing game had been reserved tothe latter. This clause-.." that it should be lawful for the person en- titled as owner in fee of any enclosed lands, the same not being in his own possession, but let to others, tenantsor tenant, topursue, kill, and destroy game, over such lands, without asking permission of the owner thereof," he should propose to omit the latter part of. MIr. 3.PITT said a few words inaudible in the gallery. lUr. J. SAMITH supported the amendment. AIr. S. WORTLEY thought there might be some force in the objection talten, if it were assumed that landlords were necessarily litngious. But hc could notcon5ent to such an amendment; forit was takingtherightof shooting from the landlord, and givingit, in eWfect, to the tenant solelv. The landlord would be placed by itm a much worse situation thir he stood at present in, under the game laws. He would ventuse to say, that if this clause were passed, without the words objec:ed to being kept in it, he should be kept oftF his omn land for all purposes of sporting, for several years to corae. Mr.Aldermas I*EYGATE was satisfied of the monstrous injus- tice which the clause in its present state was calculated to produce. What security had tenants that landlords weuld behave in so gen- telnanly a manner, or in a way so little litigious, as the hon. rmem. ber for Yorklshir geetmed to supnose ? Inasmuch, indeed, as this bill woula -enableall tenants,wlscther qualified orunqualified, to sport, over the land in their occupation, so far the lndlord would be placed in a worse situatioaby this bill than he was before; but that was no reason foretaining the clause. Afr. GOULBURN spported the rights of the lords of ranors, which thebill atPiesent did not sufficiently protect. (,olonel DAVIES thought there could be no good In holding out ny inducement to tents to quael with thcir landlord Tent pfght Ui wl be aonCe polterCmtd to sport oSa t* IAJd tShDr oC. cupied.to the esCosione th?e landlordt as h laalords be left in theI Ipreudtch duatin wrihthbies 'p-ro,pos1iltn would leave them in Mr. F. LEWIS thought that the tenant, if he could show himself to be qualified to kill game at the date of this bill, aught to hare that permission secured to him (while he con- tinued to be qualified) din-ante the lease; provided only that the right of killing game had been reserved to him in such lease. He thought the bill might be easily shaped to meet the objections wohich had been taken. Colonel WOOD thought the latter pant of the clause mliglht be omitted. Sir J. VROTTESLEY was of opinion, that to retain it would be virtually to give the landlords a power of altering half the leases in the kingdomn for it was as much a matter of course, where there was no express stipulation in thelease to thecontrary, forthellandlord to concede to the tenant a right of shooting overthe an , as of grow. ing upon it crops of wheat, barley, or other corn, or of fishing in any waters that ran through it. Sir T. D. ACLANI) suggested, that wbere the landlord had been so remiss as to leave out such a sdpulation, the tenant should give a written permission to him, or to those of his friends, expressly and immediately delegated by him, to sport over lands so held by the tenant. Beyond this, the tenant ought not to take advantage, excipt in cases Wshere there was a reservation to him in his lease, of the remissness of his laidlord. To deprive the landlord altogether, by giving the exclusive right to the tenant, would be for the landed gentlemen of thecountry telaysuicidal hands on some of their dearest rights. After a few words from Sir J. SHELLEY Mr. BEntirnA, Lord BINrNNro, Mr. JonSg MARTIN, and Alr. Ai. WILERAHAMK, Mlr. S. WORTLEY said, he had no objection to the Chairman's reporting progress, ini order to allow the committee ample time for considering the proposed amendment, which he could not help con- sidering a most injurious one, or to the committee's going on with another clause. The CHAIRMfAN reported progress, and obtained leave to sit again this day. The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the house adjourned at nALT-PAST TWELVE O'CLOCK. HOUSE OF CO31IONS. T'HURSDAY. MIAicH 25.