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aur. IsitOGDEiq and otners, irom tne uiommons, orougnt up cne Irish public works bill, the Irish fisheries biD,the salt duties' repeal bill, and several other bills. which ivere read a first time. The Barl ofEGREMONT presented apetition from Sonthwark, in favour of the equitable loan bill; and the Earl of LAuiDEnsDALE one from the London rlechanics' Institution, in favour of the same bilL. A numberof petitions for and against this ill were presented by different Peers. The Earl of DARNLEY presented a petition from the Histo. rical and Philosophical Sodety of Canterbury, in favour of Mr. Owen's plan. I Earl GROSVENORpostponed his motion for the second renaing of the game laws' amendment bill until to.morrow. - IRISH POOR. The Bishop of RAPHOE rose to call their loidship&' atten- tion to an iuportant petitibn whlich- he had -to present-a neti- tion which afforded the most satisfactory evidence of the bartrony- in which his Alajesty's subjects lived --in that part of Ireland whence it eame-namely, he parish of Kilmore, sm the county of Armagh; for it was signed by the-rector; the curate1 the church_ wardens, the Roman Catholic and-Dissenting titnisters, and a great part of the inhabitants. The object for which the petition prayed was, that theirlordsbips would pass a law to enable the inbabitants of any parish in Ireland to Daintait their own -poor. The tsetition- ers did not, however, wish that the enactment should be itn- perative. As the lawv now stoodia Ireland, the poor,isuffeding frora the infirmitiesof age orsickne,obtained no support-but such as they might derivefrom the spontaneous charity of individuals,tor frbi be- nevalent institutiobs. Hleshould be doing great injustice- to the Irish people, if he did not acknoivledga that they ossessco a elsa- ritable dispositiQn; but it was notorious that, iotwithstanding the Feneral excercise of charity. the extent of misery did not diminisb. Though an alteration iR thelawwas therefore desirable, he was at the same time ready to. admit that the introduction into -Ireland of the system of pocr laws establis'ed in this coiuntry -was by no means practicable; and if practicable, would by nomeans be desirable. The dread of the introduction of that syster- was conse- quently altogether idefil, and he trusted that their lordshie wvould not allowanyapprehension of that kind to prevent them frtt,n giv- ing their sanction to a measur* of-so much practical utility a s that for which the petitioners prayed. ?a*ish vestries irn Ireland had frequently attempted to supply the wants of the industricus poor ; but there existed no law by which they could properly accomplitsh that object,. All that the petitioners pryvcd for was, that the- pover- of attending to the distresses of the poor might be made, -not a coi- pblltory, but a le,fitmare part of vestry business. -In -the present state of the law, if a rate were to be agreed -to at a vestry- meeting, any of those fomenters of village discords with which the eountryr abounded might o,ppose it,and render it nugatory. If the plan of every parish making a voluntarily provision for its owr poor wfre adopted, it would powerfuly counteract that extensive'vagrancy with vihich Ireland wss at present sQ gtievously opnsessed& The present system formed a great D rid of pauperism, Tand mendicity and va- grancy were consequeifdly h hwayion theincrease. There was agreat emigration of the malepart oi the Irish poor to this- country in quest of employrment. This hrd often been 3 subject of complaint; but these emigarafts in removing le't ; great evil -behind themt in Ireland, for their-wives andhclildren remainhn a state of com- plete destitution. To put a check mothe niserr which the 'present growing mendicity produced, was tle object of thepitdon wichhc now presented to. their lordships; Tjie Earl of fIIERICK was greatly aurpnited that the intro- duction of such a measureas that-recommended in thepetition pre- sented by the right reverend prelate,. should be proposed in their lordships' house; and he was still,&i30re surprised when-e-consider- ed the quarter from which it came. That the estojlishimntof a sys- tem of poor laws should at'this time be proposed for Ireland, was truly astonishing. He spoke in theileriing -of many noble lords from that country and hi appealed to them whether - they were not - convipced- et such - - proposion -was- calcolated to spread horror ond alarm, *fim the apprehensionof theeconseCq_eHces vthich must attend the adopt ori df anyplanof the kind aLuded to. Hc would, however venture to.suggest to his righit rivrev&cd friend. a course by which t e objectoflis petition nijrf bi attained witn- o,ut its experieziiog that oppcsition with which' tiei measure prayed for wrould be inet,.Hehad heard-thatt According to the- original in- stitution of T3enefices, tteir prit.Wercdivided aini three parts-one was for the incumbent; another was far the'church; ,and the thir& was appropriated to the maintcnaice of tisepeor. Let thss plan of distribution of the- hutch revenues be tried'before any new plan w=s proposed.. He couidnot4ee *ith theview taken of this sublect in the petition1 shqonlygb,o d thing in which waS the union of the paTties.who thad signed It. . - The Earlof )oLEY,though lie did riot gpprove of the ob- ject of thepetition, vt he did n6t rek6rd it with the same-ho*ior as- his noblefiiend. I'would have no objctitqn to viluntary c6ntrs- butions, swerethe zttei-to Ftopthere; but asitwisnot likely such contributionswould p!roduce piuch, it was probable that 6omne com- pulsory prqvisiont viould finally be introducd. Wi Wthout aclause of that dind, -the mesiurc wduld notbe e.cetu- i -afd if ny step of the natttre proosed werei tkenr, it ni resorttdtoat1as -- Earls.Fl' TZWILLIAlU - words, ir which we understood him to disapprove of any atte bit to inroduce tbe 3unx- -ish- systet- gf polawn into Ireland btt -as it appe~d that -every person in a certain district prayed for then teasure explained ithe petition, heithought it might be tried theres an ezpetn-en. liord CLIFD I iras igaiiitt7iratsferring te' 'ngbsh poor l3ws to Irelaud. 4-B~e agrced-wilki liioi frendi(Lrd Limerick), that the church'of Ireland odfi tofif1rish from its amplo revenUeS something towards supplying ke wats oFthe pOr. STANDING-ORIDER -RESPECTIG JOINT STOCK * - -UCOMPANIlS.' `The Earl -of iARROWBY-having oved the tird nmading of the Irish insurrection act, ' --- - The Mlarquis of DOWiNSHIRE intimated that le had the: priority for moving- the seeon,l readitig of the bi for establishing a joint stock company to work mines in reland. - -- The Earl of nlARROWBY:toserte ifor the present to witlh. draw his moiion for the -thirdesading of tbe insurrection bill, and. stated that, in punuance of tlte -otCe which had been given, he would, to &dcilitate the proges of-the biU to which the noble mar. quis had aUudEd, move-the auspenoiootbe standing eider recently ad pted telativc toiointstoek companis - : The Earl of LAUV1RDAI&inerly bCd toremind-tlieir lordships%-that if they psted in the way propoia, they would yi&tc tho stkwbicJ$hey 8d t ia4 A fiw 4&li ZP2, ~vhIch required that every bil of this.descriptlon, before being Tcad a second. time, should be referredl to a committee to report trisether three-fourths of the capital of the company hast beent paid uip. He would not tippose thermction. The Earl of HARROWBY considered the suspension of the order ini the present cse highly proper. The 'noble marquis had -atready proposed to except Irish mines from the. operation of the standing or er,, vhich he thouight ought to be done, as those works wvere not to, be classed withi ihe numerouis bubbl6s a'ginint *hich it 'was the ohject of their lordships to guard. As, in 'tansidering the state of Ireland, their lordships had thought it right, for the purpose of securing the tranguillity'of that- country, to overlook those great principles pf legislation by which they were usually guxided ; so it surely, mnight be proper, for the sake of finding employment to a mi- cerable population, to overlook some of those principles of politilcl economy, the genemaladvantage of adhering to which they acknow- ledgPd. liethefefore did notregret that he should betlieindividuaI .who, on the same night that hce had to move the passing of the in- eurrectiocs act, had alsa to propose the means of facilitating the pro. grs f a bill of the nature or th-at now before their lordshipe. He cetanly did not tlhink that this bill was one of a kind which ought evzrtonhave conme under the operation of the standing order. It was morally impossible that-any great samount of caplial would be vwant- ed at the outset of such a,speculition aLs that wlhich the bill tenided to encourage and it woul& therefore, be wrong to require such a proportion ott the suabscription as three-fourths to be paid up in the 'tre instance. It was not reasonable to expect that persons entering into a projest for working mines in Ireland would be willing to di- ver t 4,0001. from other purposes of traiae, and invest it in the -fnd or exchequer bills where they would get onlv three per centL interest, beoete-ol obly know that suclh a sum would be wanted. The noble enrl proceeded to describe some of the clauses of th e bill, and concluded by moaving "1 That the stading order be now suspended." The Mlarquis of LAI'NSDOWN rose to express his full concur- rence in the motiont of the noble earl. If a few days ago he hacd thought that upon the ground of peufliar circumstances Ireland ught to be excepted frorti the operation of the standing order,. he could not refuse his consent to die suspension of that order far the purpose of forwardling the meaure now before the house. floweyer proper in principle the standing order might he, and however right its practical apalication might be in a wealthy, country abouinding in capital,he was conv6inced that it would be extremely wronigto enforce it with respect to a poor country. In Ireland, where the want of capital was so mtuch felt, every facility to its transmission ought to b-- of.ercd. But even with regard to this country, though the prin- ciple of thiv order could not be contested, he, with all respect for the judg-ment of their lordiships, thiought they would have done-better not to have pas-sed it. lHe could, indeed, see no reason why their lord- ships shouldi not consider every individlual case which camae before them on its awn merits. There could be no occasion for establish. iog so many general rules, unless. it were wished by their means Ac once to get conviction in the lump, "And come so slhort conclusions by a jump." 'The increasing of the standling orders was attended with much in- qonvenience, as their great number must often impose upon their lOrdsl,ips thu necessity of doparting from the ruilesi they had nsade. Liske rulecs for the conduct of pri-vate life, they were too oftenl via. lated-.-as noted gainesters, after entering into a bondl rever to play, weze induced to break the engagemenit. He never approved of the multiplication of standlin~ orders,h;uthle confessed lie should wish one to be miade to the effezt stat no suich rule shouild be adopted until it had lain for three weteks on the table of tlie house, and had been read three differeint tim'1, at fixed, intervals. This course of proceeding, he thought, would procure duo attention to anv standing orders that mint hat at'ge,nal prevent their rash ad6Dtion. Th arl or LAUDER DALE did not intndtofrayopo ni1tion so thle motion for sstspendiniv the standling order, but hie could flat coOicur with the noble marquis in the observations he lhad made. The nioble earl then reminded their lorfiships of the grounds on Which thP, order had beets adopted, and adverted to the nature ,OF the sApecuations against which it was directed. Wihen such absurat and mischievous projects were afloat, he thought it good tsn\e for at leat one branchr of the legislature to mark them wvith its 'dixapprbahtion. The schemes withbrespect to ,vhiclitshes4tanding ~Irder operated~t~ere very difTherentt finnithos,e companies 4which were ex- cepted. The canal property' of this couintry amouintedl to about 13,000,000., and not 87,0001. of t'ne capital remrained to Ite paid up. Tje capitalof'the (lock companies w,asall paid up. E-stablishmernts of that description were under the niecessity of employing a great propirtion of their capital in carrying onL their works, but it was not s,o wtrili Rpeculatinx companies. The standing order was suspenided, andI on the maction of the MVar- quis of lDoWNsyjTRg the bill was read a second time. The Earl of KINGS'TON presented aL petition from several Jiarishes in the province r,f M.unster, signed by Roman Catholic3 as well as Protestants, pr%ying for she building atf MOre churches. IRlSH'f INSURRECTION ACT. The Earl o" HARROW BY moved the third readingof the Irish insmurrection act. The Earl of DOARNLEY 'aid that nothing butt the strong~est ne- cessity couldI have inducedl himi to have given his consent to the pre- sent measua-e; but undoubtedly something~ of this kind was neces- sary an,te necessity would continue unless the' house wouild agree wZithim in probing the various evils of Irelanid to tlse button,. 11hatever was done would he useless, unless it was bottomed on the greatc principle of mnakina every indcvidtcal in that country equal in civil rightq, let his religious opinions be what they mighit. The noble eairl wats proceeding to observe on som-e of thne evidence which hiad been adduced before their lords-hips' Committee on this bill, whent The Earl of LIVERPOOJ, rose to protest azainst the course which the noble earl rvas pursuing as, totally inct6nistins with the course adapted by the committee, as they had thiought fit to present their report wTithoutatnnexingc the evidencee on which it was founded. This proceedinx on the p;Z7 Of tt,e committee was, hec thoughit, ju- dicious; as is was intended to renew the inquiry next year, with a view of sifting the subject to the bottom. It was the best way, there. fore toavod gttig ito iscssins iecmea; and on tha~t ground he eltit isdut t~proes agins tat sorfa reference which the nobl eal ws maingto he eidece aid before the committee. but nt plced b the on teir ordains' table. The Erl ofDARNLY sai, altoughthere was an nuider- staningin se cusmiteethattheevidncewas nat to be laid oni the tbe oftce hiouse, yet he had not coniceived that to extend so far as to precludle anv noble lard from alluding to any part of' it. Buti lii, puincipzdl ob'Jectmi rising hadl been), not to comment on the ev,i- dence, but so offier an apolo.gy for himself, in concurring with the opinion ot thie comi-mittee for reniewting this measure for aniother year. Thie Marquis of LANSDOWN, at the same timie that he con- curred entirelyv in what liad fallen fromi his noble friend, admitted that if any icidividual was m-ore b1annsable than aniother for the mieasure atrimnted by the comittee, of not annexiiig the evidence to 'their report 'he was t at ini Ida but he was not awvare that the repot had ha notbeenprined. e should therefore mnove t hat The Maquis f LANSOW. ,oil resuAming, observed, that neiherfro th trmsof he epot tse'f, nor from the evidence -lobelelrd was-neither did befeel himsl-omte oteapoa of the insurrection act as a permanent mieasure.Onteecsiyo a farther anid more extended inquirv, there couald eltl obi -was speaking the senise of the commiittee, when he said there wats in fact, no one point to whiceh the committee had been able to come to a definite coaclusson, excepting that of the necessity of 7re- newing the insurrection act for n furthier limited period, that period not to extend beyondI thie time necessary tor resuming the inquiry. To that Measure so limited, be found himself comspelledl to give his assent ; and he should give it with even greater reludtance than he now did, if he felt, as'it had been sometimes objected that it was a meaisure for thb emcurity of the rich only; but he IQt all along felt that it was the dutv of' the legislature, with a view to the interest of tChe poor as well as' the rich, to maintain the tranquillity of the coun-. try and thec security of property : for as it was acknowledged that many of the evils of Ireland arose fromi the small portion of wealth in thlat country, whiat, he would ask, would be the state of it if persorn; of wealth were so be compelled, from dtie insecurity of life and property to withdraw andl become non-residents,-thus diminishing that wealth of wyhich there was already too little ? On that grund he felt hound to maintain security even by this illeggal course (illegal he mieant as opposed to the constitution af the country) ; for if this measure were not followed up by other more general Measures, it would remain on the statute book a standing reproach; for it would show t.hat the condlition of society in that country was one that could not be maintained by law. He would himnself, in the next session, propose an eLxtension of the inquiry, not to the whole of [seland, but to Cthe distri-cts whiere the insurrectiont act hail4 beeti in operation, as well as in thse where it shoutld be in force at rthe timne. Lord IIOLLAND said, that after the repesated discusoiois on this measure which bad tak-en place in that bouse, and the almost Unanimous agreement of the comimittee in recommending the re- rewal of it, together with the concurring opinioin of' persona wham he had been accustomed to look up to with def'erence, he did net mean to press upon their lordships the objections to this measure which he deeply felt ; but he should avail himself of the privilege the house poassessed of recording on the jourI his raons. against it. Hil objections to the bil were not founded on any doubt which he entertained of the distuLrbances in that country, but were 3uchi as -were expressed by a member of'Cliat house nearly 30 years ago (then Sir L. Parsons), that so far fromi such measures tranquillizinig the lcingdonu of Ireland, they tendedto perpetuate the disturbances wVhich they pretended to allay. Jle (Lord 1-lolland) objecteed to the bill, he- cause it tended to make the gentry a-nd mnagistracy look to sthe via. lation of the law, instead of the maintenance of the law for their se- curity ; and because it taught the wretched peas-antry so regard tics laws as a dlevice or conspiracy of the richi against tue poor. Hie ad. nuitted that thie administrationa of this law might be temperate ad mioderate, and that ministers by thi.s inquiry bad opened thec door to a glimpse of hope for better thines ; but nevertheless he would not give his consent to a measure w~hich was a violation of all law, and W." no0thing more nor less titan establishing a despotic governmnent. The Earl of HARROWBY said, thiat in omitting to makec any sataement to their lordships on introducing this bill, if'lhe had been to blame it arose from a mistaken conception of hiis duty. Con- sidering the composition of the committee, having for members of it many noble lords on the otlier side, and many who had Freat properties in the countrv, he had thought it best to leave the btll on the recommendation of that committee, without the expression of his own personal opinion. He bad not been aware, when he placed the report on their lordships' table, that he had omitted to move that it should be printed. It was not his opinion, nor that of any noble lord on the committee, that this measure would tranquil- lize Ireland, or that it should makepart of the permanent law of the land, but was proposed as giving somebreathing time for Parliament to suggest some other measures. (Hear, hear.) It wias a temporary evil to wihich they must submit, for the purpose of obtaining a more per manent and general good. Lord CARBEftY said a fewr words in favour (we believe) of the measure. Lord PRUDHOE, notwithstanding all that he had heard, could not gie his support to the bill. Lord GORT supported thc bill; which was then read a third time, and'ordered to be sent to the Commons. TITHES (IRELAND.) The Earl of LIVERPi OIO moved the order of the day for the cecond reading o'f the Irish tithes' amendment bill. The Earl ot KINGSTON objected to the bill, as giving the clergy every thingthey asked for, and placing themn in a better situa. tion than they were at present. The Bishop of LIMERICK said, he slhould give his humble cu pport to the bill before thieirlordships, because lie thought it was calculattd to give increased efficiency to the tithe composition act of last year, which had already done great good. He contended, not- -withstanding theaspersions which liad been cast on the Irish branch of the established church, that the clerey of Irelaud. were, in most instances, living on the best terms with their parishioners. He then undertook to consider the Irish branch of tlte church esta. blishment in reg-jd to its bearing on the interests of.the country, the character, leamning,revenues, and efficacy oftheclergy_tehevariousso- cil and moral uses, in shioit,whicli it performed in the State. He ad- ndiiued that it wga not totally free ftom error; he did not, nor ever wouldapretena forittoeD7ything like limpeccability-he wouldl not atterapt to offer itto the consideration of the housie as "That faultless monster which the world neecr saw." Divine as it was in its origio, in its mundane dliciplinc and provison it was but a humana iristitution, and was subject to all the defects of insttitutions merely human. All he asked for it was a conicession, for which he proposed to furnish ample reasons of conviction, that the church ofje]and was as free from fault, and was clhargeable with as few errors,, as any other Christian ecclesiastical inistitution. It hiappened, however, unforwunately for the weapons- of political warfare which their enemies brought against thiem, the churcha was getting more than ever clear of her remaiigerror at the time in whichshe was said to be most corrupt. Hter cergy were ebarged with increasing in absenteeshipis, when residence was more than eyer enforced; and the revenues of the church were held out as being unusually- and exorbitantly rich, at a time when she was most in tribulation and poverty. 'Statements had* been made, end charges had been brought elsewvhere, which suited the meridian of Firet- street or Ludgate-hill much better than the grave benches of St. Stephen's, or the purer air of WVestminster. Theright reverend pre- late proceededl to details, in order to refute the facts given by. an hon. member (11r. Hume) in his speech of the 7th of Mlay last, as to the penalties, absentees revenuies, and general order of the Irish church. He quotee a very considerable extract from a re- cent publication by tie Archibishiop of Cashel, which had the same tendency. He proved, as he hopetd, by these statements and refer- dnces, thattliere was nothing whichcould be rtlied on inthose multi- plied'assertions made againist the Irish clergy-that they Were enor- mnous pluralists.-that th-ey were more than half absentees--that they lived at the Engisleb watering places, and that they were an op- pressive burden instead of a blessing and a protection to the country. He comipared these fabrications, not to the ever sprouting heads of th~e hydra, hut a meaner image-to the worm, which when cuit in pieces was still seen crawling and muldtiplying on the ground.. For so it was with the maligners of tie church,-refuted, and re- futed, and refitted, thev still returned to their vworkof alander with un. abasbable reiteration. - He pointed outtseveral very obvious mistakes into which that hon. gent. before alluded to had been drawn. In one instance he had charged a dignitary with being~ an enormous plu- ralst,because he happened to have the samne Christian anid surname with a.clergyman whio helti thier beneficee. By the same way of Ireasoning, it had been assuimed that the number of absentees in each Idiocess was the number positively absent; whereas, if'all the returns hard been comparedI together, it wvould have been Been ~that most of those absent from their bernefices would be found living in other benefices, and engaged actually in their pastoral dluties. Yet this church was said to be a preposterous insuilt to the common sense of thle country. (Hear, liear.) lie was astonished at those cheers. The church was described as being a mighty reservoir-an omnnivorOuis church (hear, hear)-a church which was weighed down with a golden pletbory--vith an invidious load of wealth. (Ifear, hear.) He would cry "1 hear, hear," too. Bad the noble lorcl who cheer2 him accompaniied him to the humhile habitations of the clergy, anid seen them, as he had frequent occasion to ste them, without supplies for their decent and huaible wants, such was his Known generosity of feeling, that he wouild not then cry " hear, hear hear.' The right rev, prelate proceeded, at some length of detni? to dis- Iprove the vague and eitravagant estimates which had gone ?orth as Ito the value of Irish bishoprics. lie had a considerable one himn. self. and yet fouRd no symptoms of the golden plethora upon him. He adaptedt the estimate which hacl been made by the righi reverend author before mentioned, of the bishopricsaof Monster, which did not average d,0l00l. a year each. The Bisliop of Ossory had declared to liim tht tpunan average of eleven years his diocess had not yield. hdimre that pn3,5001. a ye.-r. He stated that the dignitaries of the IIrish chu-rch enjoyed- a state of emolument which would make theii stations riidicuilous andl contemptible, were it not for the profits of livings appendant. He pointed out instances where clergymen had been charged wvith being plasxalists, becauise their parishes happened to have six or s,even religious title8, like so many ditierent parishes, being the scattered remains of so many dissolved religious houses. IHe proved the learning andl charity and piety of the Irish clergy, andI appealed to the illustrious characters wvhich had been formed by their etducation to adlorn the bench aud to serve the state, as othes Iproofs of their great usethulness to the country. It was but justice cc the Irish clergy to say, that they were deservedly eminent for the mianner in which they performed their duty. For the eleqtence of ther raeldnand the piety of their conduct they were surpassed by Elaceg fno country. Hie would not enter upon anThthe evils 01 -bsenteeshlip at this time, because he would willingly avoid wound. lug the feelings of their lordships,' as well as of himself. To men. mion, howvever, only two instances would be sufficient to show hoit heatvily the system pressed upon Ireland. In the county of Limne. rick 300,0001. were annually abstracted by absentees; and in the counLOt' of erry, ViO,000l. , from whiceh no benefit accrued to the inhabitants of those counties. In the censure which he felt it was Iiis duty, to pronounce upon these who were thus unmind. fXil of the interest'S of thieir countrymen, he should be sorry to in. elude some individuals whom- the discharge of important duties comn- pe'Ied to be absent from their estates, and who, by the intelligent and faithiful discharge of those duties, rendered great benefits to so. ciry a lage.Thee ws aothr cassof persons, also, who de-. Wva% true, tat in somae instances the goo fet fterbnvln intentions wrere intercepted by the middle-mnen ; but this evil, he re. 'oiced to say, wias rapidly abating. I-e warmly eulogized the con- Therec of~ anble duke (thae Duke of Devonshire) in this respect. Teewsanother class of absentees of whom it was his painful dulty to speak in very difFerent terms. They were those who mnight be called mere Irishi absentees. TIhese mere absentees had no bowels Ifor their unhappy, country; but miuch as he was disposed to repro. Ibate their coniduct, p~stice comnpelled him to ascribe it rather to the syIstem than to the individluals. His lordship then, alludling to the Idistresses which bad been exmerenced in Irelanid in the sumnmer 01 I&182, said, that the clergy.had in every place exerted themselves t4o the utmlost of their pows-r in alleviating those distresses. They had n-ever ceased in the labours of love which belonged to their sared functions, andI had evinced themselves on all occasions the instrutments of mercy. There were two great evils whichb gave birth to many 01 th osby which Ireland was afflicted. Tii one was the ab. -sence of all public principle, and the prevalence of a system Of jobbing which was unknown in Engl'and. The clerg had Idone mnuch to abate this, by proving tteLselves impartial and disinterested managers of the public money, as it was applied to the butilding of bridges and making roads. Against all those op. pvressions to which the poor wvere exposed, they bad stood up the firm advocates and opponients. The other evil was that which arose from the harsh overbearing and tyrar.nical landlordo who although they were few degrees above the pesnryee In'oll el and not one degree above them in moral or intellectuald worth, do. inineered over them in the most. unfeeling manner. From his own experience of the habits and tempers of the peasantry of Ireland, whe were a highly intelligent and dliscriininiarive people, he was convinced that wh~,ever should address themselves oinly to their passions must became their enemiies~, while they who endeavoured to en-. gage their affectionis must be their best friends. For this reason, atnong the others that he had stated, he was convinced that the clerg in Ireland supplied to the people, as far as it could be stspplied,,that. deficiency which the absence of landed proprietors oc. casioned. As abody, they composed agreatumoral instrunmentality, from which, in the present circumstance of the country, the best re- suilts were daily flowing, and wouild always continiue to flow. There did not exist in that country, as there did in England a body of wvealthy and active yeomanry, -and of enterprising caplti-ta~s and manufacturers, and the want of these was supplied by the clergy. As ths= hen, was an influence whicli no Parliament could restore, he solduPon Parliament noL to destroy it. If it should be said that the revenues of' the clergy were too large, he miight re- Ply to that objection by argumients which had often beer useel before, hut whiceh he felt, upon this occasion, it wgould be unnecessary to repeat. It was for the good of the state, fom the advantage of' the country not less than for the indvidualf who wvere called to the exercise of the sacred office, thiat they shiould he adequately provided for. And al though, in an abstract point ol view, it were to be wished that a pure and disinterested love of reli. gion alone sbould influience those whto professed it, yet it would be vain to expect in the worldl, constituted as it now was, that the same sprt should prevail by wkich the muartyrs ofthie early days of oittr faith hadribeen induced to despise humniliating and painfisil privations. It would be vain to expect that Ireland should be an exception to all the nations of the earth. On' e of the greatest blessings thiat Ireland lied experiencetl of late years, was the improvement which had taken place in the administration of criminal jusitice The impartiality with which this was conducted was admired even by those who were most opposed to its operation ; and when he sawv the good which hiad been brought about in lIeland by the insuriec- tion act (a necessary evil whiich he regretted), lie was induced to say, althougha it was a bold word, that in the course of the next ten years Irelanct wouild be more improved than it had been injured for cen- turies before. Mention had been mande of the church of Ireland, he begged to sav that lie knew of but one episcopal and esat. blished church;' which was the amne in doctrine in1 disci. p line, and in government; and which was recognizedfto e so by the Union. It wias idre to talk of treating one part of this~ church sic. coreiinp to one method, and another according to a elitf'erent one. They mnust stand or fall together, as they were a part of the same constitution. He felt thiat he had trespassed too much on the tilme of thle house, but he was nevertheless obliged to say that he should have gone back to lIrelanjd stigmatized in 'bis- own conscience if he had not spoken has rmind feeely in behalf of that estabhishmentwhosr bread he ate. He concluded by warml,vsupporting the bill. Lord KING- said, that persons who ad listened to the rev, pre- late's speech might have flincied that the church of 1reland was really possessed of all the virtues he had ascribed to it, if it were not well known that it wa s the painting of 'a. too fa.. vourable hand. For Isis own part, he considered it rather as a trade than as a church; he thought it was literally what Mlr. Burkec called it,when hiesaid Aron esrt eccdria, sed nmagntuan latrociniaim. How different fromn the description given by the rev. prelate would beethe view takenibyayimpartialpersonwho should seethe rector surround. ed bY the tithie proctors and titbeblailiffi,,and other ministeringengels of his tendler mercies,- whilein the teniants upon whomhecametolevy h is tithes would be found, perhaps, the very individoals who bad, shot the last rector, and the rector before the last, and others who, in the fuloaess of time, would come to shoot the present rector. (A laugh.) I le was sor.-yto bring rise stubjectof the churehof Ireland so often be- th*e vices ofthntehiurch which he was co'mpelied to notice. The nature of thosevices would bebesttoldbythepetitionson theirlordships' table, which complained of the grinding tithes, of the non-residence of the lergy, and of the scandalous episcopal unions which prevailed. Bills were brought in for the amendment, and for the re-amendment of the tithe law; in short, every thing wras done but that one thing needful_the establislment of a church which should be suitedto the temper and wishes of the country. -By the adoption, of such a measure, no loss would be felt, except by the monks and friars of the establishmnent, and the Government would get rid of that millstone, the Irish church. He had heard Dr. Paley describe that church as " a proud, haughty, domineering aristo- cracy of episcopal wealthasnd property." Of all theshapesin which the exactions of the church were made, none was so Iusadensomenas the potato-tithe, which was but of 40 years' standing, and was the invention of that " cruel Delaney," of whom it was said that he. from his horrid hair, shook terrors and titbe-law; and in comparison with whom theXFuries were models of mildness. Re disapproved of the whole spirit of the bill. Thre Earl of LIVERPOOL expressed his intention of not fol. lowing at this period of the night the course which had been pur- sued by the noble lords whohad spoken; buthe could uotpermit what had fidlen from the noble baron who had spokelast topass unnoticed. it had, he thought, always been admitted, that under the articles of the Union, England was conimitted for the preservation of the Esta- blished Church in Ireland. A noble baron (Lord Grenville) connect- ed with the noble baron who spoke last, andlwho was one of the most strenuous advoca'es for the Catholic claims, was concerned in draw- ing up the articles of the Union. Although, therefore, he (Lord bi- verpoe) was somewhat surprisedat the course takenbythenoble lord (Lord lnghe and the other friends of the establishmentwould know in futuze whatthey had to expeg fromu him, It wasnot tbat he ob- ,fjeted to the creation of a'few: morc 6olitical situ'ations battbat he would be satisfied with nothingless than the totldestructien of the church in Ireland. (Hear.) He underitood, as faras hehai been able to procure any information on the subject, that even those who vwere aferse TO the former bill were satisficil with that now. before the house; and no measure, he believed, had moreuniversally gain- ed the good opinion of those who wese likely to be affected by it By returns wlhich werein his posscssion, it appeared, that out of 100 instances in which appeals might bave been preferred, there had been only five in which they had actually been made. Of these, three were by the incumbents, and enly two by the paishioners. This fact alone, he though, was suffidient to show the opinion which was generally entertained of the measure. The bill then passed through a committee of the house, and the eport was ordered to be bronght up to-morrow. The land revenue ofiicers' bill was read a third time. An amend- ment was proposed by Lord HOLLAND, to leave out the word ";pre. viously" in the preamnble and in the operative clause, the object of which was toexempt officers from the necessity of availing them- selves of the annual indemnity act. This amendment was negatived without a division and the bill passed. Several other bins on the table wera forwarded one stage, and the hous@eadjourned at aQU.ARTERl TO TUELVE O'CLOC1;. .PARLIAMBNTARY 1NTBLLIGENC.R. HOUSE OF LORDS. THUnSDAY, JUNE 10.