House Of Commons, Monday,...
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There being a,commission to give&the Royal assent to several bills (or which sec Lords' report), the SPEAI;ER took the chair at a quarter before fou'r 'clock, was summoned to the House of Lords in the usual torm, and upon his return announced the bills to which theRoyal assentt had been given.R-A- Nr. BROUIGAMA presentet a petition from MAr. Robert Atkin- aon,-compLainiagof a,buses in the Trish Post-offl~ce.- LMir. I lhihLMS, presened kaapetition fromWte royal bugh of ing. WI41 agilinst slavery. - eiinfa,Uct I Col.1or'iel TREINCff p'reseted att p rm hgentry and free. holders:of Upper Ossory tlreln) ttigta Gt of the dis. turban(.-s in Ireland were Lhe cneecefnoreint lanidlorils andr'tyig,ora tax upon aene,ansoe parochial suppoai Mvr. -J. WVILLIAMUS presntedl a petition from Alr. Waltet Hony w-ood, a itistice of the peace for the county of Glocester, comn. plaini ttg of the ex ense Of law and equity proceedings. Mr-. BROUGHAM1 wished to correctfor a right reverend prelate, the B.Ishon of Mkan, the statement which he (Mr. Brougham) wai understooalto haveisnadd oh a formner nighr- that thie Dkeof Athol was in the habit of presidithi. in the Bishop;s Court -upon ecclesias- tical cases: this, thoughi 'entitled to do, lils Grace, asi he was in. formpd, never did. SUPERAN.NuATION FU.ND. M%r. AIABERLY moved for a return ot'the gross anid net amount of the salaries and receipts of public officers who were subject to a deduction of 10 per cent. by an ordter-of council made in Februiary, 1823. I-e thought that as the 5 per cetit. deduction and a superan- nuation act had been withdrawn, so ought the 10 per cent. unider the order in council. . Sir JOSEPH YORKE thought thiat, to use the Deculiar and energetic phrase ofadeceased ani lamriitedinarquis (Lrndonderry), the house were "1turning their backs upon themselves" (a laugh) when they repealed the superannuation act. As to any saving to secure the payMent Of the national debt, it wvas just as rational to at- temipt tobottle off theAtlantic0Ocean. (A laughi.) Thea, asto the payan; ofpublic officers, what scalecought they tobhave? If upon comparative mexlts, and for real servicers, his right hon. friend the Secretary for Foreign Affaiurs (ir. Canning) ouight to he paid double the amrount of any of th'erest ("Hear," and alaugh.) Mlr. STUART WlORTLEY said that thie King might revoke the order in coutncil, whiich would be only doing an act of justice. The public servants ought to be well paid, and the performance of their duties preprly enforcedl. 1Mr. F. BINTON thought there wvas no class of men worse paid th n his filajesty's Alinisters, Mr. QALORAFT co-uld not lonic at the payment of miinisters as a question of money. Me6n of no fortune, of middling fortune, and of large fortunes, were equally anxious to fill these offices why, thien, talk of stimulating their exertions by further pecuniary remu- neration ? The Crown hadgivern up its thomsands, and Mlarquis Cam- den had done one of the mnost liberal acts that had ever been record- ed? 4y ?aprificing .,00QI., a yeAr for the, relief of the people. (H ear.) byh, then, ish'ogl tnOttfiosi gentlemen contributcthieir qu.ota?I Nhy should they, whan taXes tothbe amount of 50,00,0001. or 60,000,0001 wvcresannualIy-raised-..when every commodity and necessary of life was taxed-why should they, he asked, give up this source of reve., nue? It oughitnot to be abandoned until the people were reallyrCe- lieve i and no myan could assert that the people l1A been effectualIv relleve4l from taation. N~otbing, be, ws ~ertatn, -would give sue~ elasticity ito the etiesrprising spiret` of 'the sOountry as a liberal relief from taxation. For his own part, he woukld not'give- up a single enny of this charge to the individital who were the object of his. Eon. friend's obsfrvations, espoc:dally as a superannuatipn?t~ wud'as provided for them at the expense oa the st4tte. Mir. ELLIS agreed in the view of' this~ luestion which had been tora,ez by the hon, tmoemT for Yorkshire, The relief which was sogt for iwould foiadd :to e b'urad&s of the people; and there- for he would support aniy proposition for restoring to those indivi- duals that'which hiad been taken from them. Mr. GRENFELL, said he was in favour of restoring to tlhoe in.. dividuals thtir old salaries. Mr. AV. SMI1TH expressed hilmself in f'ayour of the oiinli downby he on,memer o~ aream (Mr. Caleraft4 Now gret ohics o ~ete ererwtsouhtafter merely on account of emlumet, bt fo a tousad resons and lie 'did moost firmly belive,tha th grat bjet wichindcedmen to seek those offices, wheter he ndivduas wre o th onside or the other of politics, was to serve their country in those high And dignified situations. But, was the patronage of thosp offices nothing ? Was the conside- ration in whiich those individuals were lield all over Europe of no imnportadiee? Did they n'ot know, thiat those circum. stances alone would ihnduce men to flfl hiighi offices, even if the salaries ivere very moderate ? He begged leave to il- lustrate his position by relating an anecdote. W hen Le Kain, a F'rench actor, of whom they must all bave heard, retired from the stage, 4 numbtr of friends crowded arousll him, congratulated Ibins on ethe fortunie'he ha~d made, anid observed, that whatever his ernolu- ments had been, thiey were by no means too great. An old knighit, who happened to be present, expressed great indignNt.ion at the mu- nificent mnanner in wvhich the players were reniunierateh. Het asked, whether it war, not a shan, pthat wheiehewho had served his kiJngand country, received only at smiall pension, and the order which hung. at his button-hole, pe~rsonsrwho were reputed in France to be scarcely, worthy of Christian burial were liberally rewarded. Le Rain imuie. diately retorted, "1And Dray, Sir, do y-ou reckon as no.thintg'the right to treat me thusi F' It was,' in fact, the hequr attached to a situation, and not the i noney which it produ6l , that led high-mind- ed men to 4cco t ofof-ice, Mir. AIABR&LY, in the course of his replv, obsic.ved, that the hon. member for Corfe Castle had opposed moitions which' were in conformity with'the recommendations of the finance committee, by 'rhich millions niight have been saved, while he suipported a measure that deprived individuals in office of a sum that was not calculated to benefit the public in any, considerable degree. He most sincerely hoped that His Mlajesty is. Council would get rid of this tax which, he contended, was both unjust and invidious, Mr. BA1kKES denied the accuracy of the honourable gentlemian's statement. lie cetainly had disapproved of certain planis of finance which had been brouk)ht forward by- the liQn- gentleman, becaulse he conceived them to be hinjudicious. WVithi respect to the measure which the bsotot]rable gentleman so'strongly'deprecated, he hiad votedfor it because he thou,ght itwis wise and e;onomical', Whaen. ever financial mleasures were broughtfforw~re1 which appeared to him to be eQrornoicAl t4ey 4hould certainily hiavehi support and assistance. Mlr. MA-BERLY repeated, that the hon. memiber had, again and again in that house, voted againsthi own recommendations in the finance committee. .MIr. BANKES would again and again deny the assertion., The motion was then put, and carried. JURY LAWS' CONSOLIDATION BILL. Mlr. PEEL said en erroneous impre?sion had go?e fortih relative to whlat had falen froiii him on Fiiday evening, when he brought in a il fien~ilpength lw rlaiv t jros ndjuie.He was supposed to have intimated that he had had manyconferences with the gentlemen who were in the hiabit of acting as special jurors, and that they were perfectly ready to co-operate with him in altering and amending the law. Now the fact was, that he was speaking of two individuals, M1t. Le IlManc and Mir. Lushing- ton, of the Court of Exchequer and the Court of Kinig's Bench, and he stated that those two individuals were most anixious to be reljev- ed frorn dpftis which exposed them to pomplaint. lie ohtdrved tha tose gentlemen were ready to coriaperAte in' any measure by which they couhldbe so&relieved; h1ut he dird not allude to those persons to whom he was supposed to have referred. EARL MIARSHAL'S BILL. LordGEORGE CA VENDISH, in an extremely low tone of voice, mroved the first reading of the bill to enable the Earl Mlarshial or his deputy to execuite that office without the necessity of ta-nkg certain oaths at present required bylaw. The noble lord observed as we understood, that it was a bill which he regarded with great satisfaction, as it wag founded oa a liberal and tolerant sipiriL (Hear, hear.) The house would, he cititceiyed, the moure readily grant this beon, in consequence of the circumstances of domestic calainity with which tit was connected, and wihichi called oni the noble person to whom the bill re'ferred to appoint a deputy mimme,. diately. He was perfectly cofivinced, that the duties of this ancient office would be executed, in all respects, with a due regard to the riglitsa of lndjviduals, and to the conistitutlon of fth counitry. The bill was then re4d a first time. On the motion -~ That this blilbe'read a second time," Mlr. PEEL said he acquiesced in this measure; but, in granting that acquiescence, bhe must observe, that it muist not render hiim lia- bleto he hare o inonsstecy,if,ona future occasion, he should fee itnecssay t oposeanyproosas,haviag for their object the thrwig oenof lloffce toth RoanCatholics. On the same pricipe tat oul led hm t p acetheEngishona footing with The bill'was then read a second bill. On the motion-" Thatthi bill be committed to-morrow." -Mr. CANNING said, that cnsidering the enthusiastic and ge- nerous feeling which pevaded the house, the noble lord might, no doubt, press the bill th'ough all its stages, at the present moment, if he thought fiL. He therefore thiought it was highly creditable to the noble lord to take this mo-derate course ; and it also appeared to hirr more decorous to the noble: person to whomn the bill related, to postpone th~ committee t4ntil to-mzorrow. The bill was ordered to be committed to-morrow. INDEPSBNDENCE OIF 90UTH 4AWEIICA. SirJ3. MAClNTOSHrosetopresenta petition fronithe IFresideat, VicePresdent andembesofte Camiber of Commerce of Alian.. gherer pryin tht ous innieiatlytoacknowledge the indepen- denit f te stesof out Amrio. Athougk he had taken up so muchf thir tme n a orme eveingwlien lie presented a similar pettin, ethe el itneessrytomirafewobseryationson thepre- sent ccason. Te Chmber f C eicre and Manufactuires of the town ofMnhstrws as its name: imported, strictly a commer- cial assoito;adws yoeof i's by-laws, precluded from poltcldsuso. T e peiin to which that intelli- gentbodyhad ed,was vtda a very numerous atnd respect- gabemeig would have been most numerously sipned, if thpeiinrha nor expected a very speedy termination of the ses- sin adidehe thought that petitions from the various manu, fcturn towns of Great B~ritain would have crowded their table, if it had not been for the same feeling. Thlis petition stated, that an early and formal ackrnowledgunent, by hiis ilajesty, oe thte frcidotm and independence of South Amenrpa,appearea to the petitioners to be demnanded bjthetr~c intereistsof GreatBritain5 and to bcdlqothe' character of thosegstates.(Hear.)lt was impolitic and unwiselongertso with.hold from them those dignities and distinctions whiich were allow- ed to civilized states; -and it was a strange anomaly to witness, in our courts of law, the solemn denial of the pobliticali existence of those states, at the verymoment when we were.-seeking corsnexicn which subsisted between us. (Hear.) Such conduct ap- pe.red to be unworthy of the dignity of a great and powerful state, and was manifestly injurious to the national industry. On that subject he would say but a few words; but lie could not help calling the attention ofthehouse to thecondition in whichthe petitioners ap, proahchdthiem.They fiound in the despatch ofthe3lst of January last, that this count4y seated, to q4 E;uTope, that the 'recognition of the South Amjerican states cougdnot belong delased. Itwnas fivemonths since that solemn declaration was msde to Spain and all Europe; and from what had atterwards taken place, it appeared that the in- dependence of South America was not to be affected in any even the slightest degree, by the wishes, views, or feelings of any European Power. This was the state iit which he considered the matter to stand at preEent. The Government were pledged, that the recognition could not long be delayed, and that the conduct of no European Power should afect 'the independenice of those states. Under thesc circumstances, he thought it his duty to show to thchouse on a formeroccasion how very littleremained to bedone- how little that had to do with the duties of neutrality, or with the principles of international law-and how much they were bound, both with referetice to the tranquillity of Soath Amuerica and the prosperity of the comamerce of England-how decidedly they were called on by every principle of justice and-of policy. to concede this recognition. ot independence. EHaviBg already showed this, he wotud fain calR the attention of His lajesty's Government to the great agitation and anxiety which now prevailed in the commercial world, and which could only be removed by taling thfs decisivestep, (14car, hear.) Until the independence of those states was acknowlcdgced the mercantile and manufacturing interests colnd not know whether the great market of Spanislh-America was to be openedto them or whether the keys of it were to be placel in the hands ofthe Hoiy Alliance ? Whether that immense -market vars to be thrown open to the whole civilized world, or in an3 epecial degkee to be thrown 6jieh to this country-aiA event -whichi y'tuist Psasuce (he miost beneficial results for the commerce ofAfreat Brit'aill? 'fTh people of, this country expected, and ju~rekylex. peCted. -that,when great commercial advantages were ofrecdz to thiem, everv msistance shouldl be given by the appointment, of di. plonmatic ajients. The commerce of South Amnerica hail benro tected by natives of 'reat Britain. He knew that hie, ea rc totiching on a topic, of very great delic.acy: but he must.say- that that commerce had beltn protected by an extrmordinary -mare, who wvas once a Britishi officer...whio once filled a distiniguished post in the B3ritish navy, in the brightest period of itsannals. Ifemnentioned this circumstance with strugglingand mingled emotions....motionsofpridea that the individual he spoke of was a Briton, emotions of regret that be wA' notyet a British officer. (Hear.) Could any person imagine a Moore gallant action than the cutting out of the EmvieralIda 9 N-ever wvas there a greater displa% of judgment, calmness, and entrrii British valour, than was a own on that memorable occasion.(la. Noman everfelt anioreardent, a moreinextinguishableloveo on try,amore anr'ieusdesire to, prormote its interests and extend its pros- periry,tban' theindividualto whonihealluded-Hespokeforhimself;no person was responsible for the -opinions which he now uttered ; but, he would ask,what native of ticonyoudhlwsingthat:iuch men were again amongst us i (H1ar.) Hehoped he should be excused for saying so much, but he could not avoid fervently wishing that such advice mi-htlbe given to the Crown, by his Majesty's ofiicial advisers, as wouri~induce him graciously to restore Lord Cochrane to that countrv which he loved, and to that noble service, to the glory ofwhichi, hewvas convinced, he willingly, would sacrifice every earthly consideration. (Hear.) Mr. IV. SMlITH said, that very great adlvanitages migh t be de- rived from an early recognition of South Amnerican independence, wliceh perbapsmiglntnot be realized iithie boon were tardilygranted. So long as Spain refused to ecognize the independence of those ex- tensive provinces, so long was it important that tl,ey should be speedily apprised of those who did recognize their - itnde- pendence. If Spain thoughit fit to recognize the South Ame- rican states, there would be no favyour in England's pursuing the same course : but if Great Britain led the way, suchi a frienidly act might produce the inost beneficial effeetsi for our commerce. The petition, which was the cebo of the resolutions published in this paper on Saturday, was tlsen read and ordlered to be printed. STATE OF' IRELAND. Sir F. BURDETT gave notice of' a motion for to-morrow, rela- tive (as we understood) to the state of Ireland. Petitions against negro slaer were presented from. Beckenham, Bit,ChippinR Sodbury i = rwoitvich. 'r S. RICE brought up there ort of thea commnittee on the sur- vey and valuation of Irclaud.-..Ortered to be printed. Mr. HUSICISSON presented aptition fronm certain inhabitants of Liverpool, complaining that thaefoerleign llnen-trade was totally ex- cludedI from the benefits conferred on the otber branches of coin- merce by the warehoutsing act. The petition was very nunmerously' and respectably signed ; and he thoughk with the petitioners, that if the British mianufacturers would examine calmly into the-subject, they wouild find that tIme prohibition now existing against the-Jinen.. trade, instead of being favourable to their interests, was quite th1e re- verse, on account of there cent outaing of trade with South Amierica. He had been told by several foredgners with whomi he had conversed, that if the prohibiuion wzere continued, they would be compelled to go to New York or Havannah to purchase foreign linen, instead of purchasi.eM a they:wished,itiEngland. By the bilUof hisright hnuaAiiend all articles Qf ibreign growth were permitted to he warehoutsed in tn larnd..a permission which was intended to render England the emporium of the world, and which had already conferred upon her very considerable ben~efits. German linen vas, how?veer, liable at present to a transit duty of15 pertcent. Now he wa informed that the payment of this duty was liely toin- jure thec British manuf'acturer very considerably, by preventing the toreigni merchaint from coming to our shores to look out assorments of goods of his own market. He did not wish to promote any dis- cussion on this subject. he had said, however, as much as he had, in order to gratify the wishies of the petitioners, and to cell the atteD. tion of thle ma'nufacturers to the subject to which he had ieferred. He trusted that the people of Ireland would soon view this prohibi-. tion in the same liht in which they now viewed the countervailing dutiei-duties which they now found to have been injurious, and not beiteficial tok the linen manufactaires of their own country. He moved that the p'titioan be brought up r.JOHN SiITH was glad to find that the right hen. gentle- matn had taken this sn.bject under his consideration. It was unfor- tunate, however that the many sound viewa, which the right hon. gentleman and L1is colleagues in that house- had takten of that and mnany other branchies of trade, sbould be frustrated by an influence elsewhere, which was htighly detrimental to the best interes'ts of the country. He hoped that the right hon. gentlerman would renew his commnercial me;ksures ijn the next session of' Parliament; for unless they were rene~wed, there would be nko proection for the fair trader against the frauds which had bern, and,The was afraid, still vould be p ractised in I-reland. M)r. H1UME expressed a hope that in the next session of Parlia- ment the right horm. gent. would bring in a bill to do away with the prohibitions of which these petitioners complained. The petition was then brought up, and ordered tube printed. Lord JOHN RUSSELL presented a petitioni front John Phillips, a letter-carrier to the Post-office, complaining of bxeing dismissed fromn his situation, artn- having so lost any advantage he miight otherwise have derived from ai sum of 1501. which he had paid to the superannuation fund. Mfr. JOHN SMI1TH presented P. petition from the Rev. Michael Collins, of Skibbereen, in the county of Cork, complaining that the Catholics were obligeA tot contribute to the erection of Protestant churches, at a tmw w-hen their own chapels were in decay. After a few-wiords from Mr. C. HUTCsesNSON, the petition was laid uponi the table. Mr. BROUGHAIM moved the order of the day for the second readingo the Lish corporators bill, Mr. ?RENDERGAST sRid, th4at as the bill had been brought forward an so late a periQil of the sessio'n, and as it had not even been printed, he should raove that it be read u second time this day six months. Itrt BROUG.HAM, in reply, stated, thiat he must admit than the bill wasi introduced at a late period of thie session ; it was, however, t'he very samne bill that had been brought in last session, and if iL had been pirinted, the only diff~erence between the two wouldl have beein this.-thatthe one wasprinned in 1823, and the otberin 1824. After explainaing the object of the bill, which was to prevent non-residenits from being members of corporations, he said that he should leave it in the hands of the house, with thlis proviso-that if no other gentle- man brought it forwvard in thg early part of next session, he would agai undertak-e the task of steering it throug h the house. Te amendmient of Mlr. ]?RE.NDERUyAST was carried without a division, and the bil, was int consequenice lost. On the motion' of Mlr. 11'trnREs, the house resolved itself into a vimnmnkitee,to consider of thecustoins and e-xcise duties' regulation bill. eremarke upon the exceedingly bulky, cumbrous, and incon- venient state of the law, which ran throuigh many huxndreds of se- parate enactmnents, and formed a code, the vexauiousness and im- practicability of which, complained of long ago by Baron Gilbert, had been increasing ever since. The object of Government was first of' all to repeal the entire bulkx of all those enactments and in- traduce in their place a compendious code, wlhich shoula be in-. eluded altogether in give or sL-, separate bills. The advantages of this course, non only in the improvement of the practice in thte courts, but alsio in regard to the introdtuction of more clearness and plaint. ness into all the affairs of commerce and the revenuie, was too obvious to need any recommendation. IlIe would content himiself with moving for leave to bring in a bill or bills to repeal the several laws relating to the Customs, andi to mak-e other provisions in lieu thereof.-The motion was agreed to., Mir. BRIGHIT said that it would be desirable to carry the imi- provement into the excise laws as well ; and then undoubtedly the country would be under no small obligation to the ministers of Government for removing the present impolitic and vexa tious pro- visions of those laws. Mlr. LIERRIES said that the excise laws had been no less an object of solicitude. with his Mlajesty's ministers, and a set of bills was in almost an equal stare of tbrwaid,ness, comprising very desira- ble and compendious alterations, non only ini the law, but in time whole system of escise, which would be ready to progress puiri piassrie in the negnssso withi those which he was immnediately tb,ont to in'troduce respecting the customs laws. PHe hoped that no objection would be takeni to his lbrcing them now through as muany stages as would enable him to move for the printing of them, that they might, being in the possession ofmetinbers, be well considered in the recess, wvhich would facilitate the deliberations of Parliament upon them when they, should meet again. Mlr. IV. SillITH hoped, that in this very laudable isairovement of the revenue laws, somae ef'ort would be made to set aside that mass of unnecessary oaths which abouxnded in the revenue laws, to the deterioration of public morals, witliout any advantag~e to ablyfimiensoul beone way andtha cociseness and perspicuity shold e suded n adegeeworhy f ha considerable improve- mentwhih i wa th deignof initer tointroduce into the sys. Mr. MIABERLY, on) behalf of the commercial interests, ac- knowledged the obhlgation under which -this, improvemerntof he- revenue -laws would place the country in regard, to his Ma~jesty's ministers. A series of bills was then brought in, which were read a first and second time, committed formnally and ordered to be printed, DR. TIORP.PE. .Mr. WVILMO0T HORTON'wished to know,frin the hon. mnem. ber for Cork upon what reasons h'e intended to mave for the pap,ers connected withi the case of Dr Thorpe, Bukt in asking thlehon. member to statethem, he wihed,alsa togive him clearly to under- stand,thatinno cas'ecould he (Mr. Horton) undertake toproduce the PApers during, this session, being convinced, that as no motion could proccedout of themi whlle Parliamaent continued the present sittings, thegretes inonvniece ustreslt romthespreading any state- mentfoudedupondocmens exibied nlyex-.pamrte- He there- forehope th hon meber oal conenthimself with stating his easns nw, eavig Gvernenttime betweern this and smeat sesson o rflec whthe or or t wuldbe convenierkt to produce Mr. C. HUTCHINSON said, that it was not his fault that~ the subject hiad not been brought foi-ward earlier. Thougch grievances for nine years past, his case had only been known to him (iMlr. Hutchinsony at all during the last two years ; and he bad but very lately understood it with that degree of clearness which alone would warrant him in submitting a statement of it to the house. In 1802, Dr. Thorpe had been appointed to a judicial situation in Prince Edward's Island, froam whence he was promoted by orders received from the Govermnent at home to Upper-Canada. Upon a dispute which oecurredbetween him and the-autharides, he returned to England, and was immediately appointed to the chief-justiceship of Sierra Leone. He was not only cleared from all blatine on account of what lhad pasmel in Canada, but reasons were given in parlia- ment,founded upon his merits and qualifications,by the late Marquis of Londonderry.,the late Chancellor of the Exchequer, and others, to show that he was by far the fittest persbr whom they,had it in their power to send out. His appointmient was made out in 1808, but he did not leave En-laid till 1811 ; and hcre, again, he was ex- pressly declared to be fee from anv blame on account of the de- lay by the officers of Government. He left this country, and assumed the functions of his office. While he was there, he found it neces. sary to institutte charges of a very grave natrure against some persons of considerable weight and importance in the colony. He wasinduced to return to England, when he made it known to the Colonial-office. antdbeingdulycommissionedfrom thatquarters was about toretuyn to thecolony with fuller instructions to set up the clarges whichhe had before piopoeed to institute. A passage was provided for hiim in one of the King's ships, and he was about to go on board when- he received: a letter from Henry Goalburn, ESQ., then in tile ColonEl Office, announcing his rennoval from the office which he held in the colony, and conveying very sharp censures on his condact. Dr. Thorpe then only desired that he might have the papers 'which he hd intrusted to the Cnlonial Departtnent returned to him, for the purpos'eof makirig outasufflcient3ustification for his owin conduct. He lud broughtactions in severalof-thc courts whihltxeliti to thouw cha"es, iua in~ -PV'ery instnoceobtain-e iL ~veraict,'hgios the rtegs *Butfrom that time to this,: though he hiad been a 6ontiriual -eluaimat' at the ColonilalDtpartment, be could obtain no rediress of any s~ore or kind. Thelidhn.ici.-ibber thoughtL that the Colonial Department had acted throughout in error, andl it was to prove-this that be required the papets which wvete the :mubject.of tit present' mnotidon. Dr. Thorpe had beeni'nducedio leaveoneofthe highest sad mosgtlu tive professions, that of the law, for a judidil appointment to iwhich lee was *ecomraiended By one ofthe snitst honourable and high.iwii d. edIrisb.judg, BAron Yelyerton. He begged dhe bon.-gentlerya to conshide the statemtent he (Mlr. Hutchinson) had now rnide,'a% nao. tice of hisintention to brine this subject,beforetbe house earl in the next session: he trusted, bowever, that it would not be nfelsyR 7 for bhim to do so, because if lie did, he should be ebliged to et brace other subjects in his motion, to which he would,not now allude. [Mr. Brougham whispered to the hon. member.- liaot-; fiiend (M1r. Broughamn) said it was the iullest notice he had everlieard. (A laugh.) It was true, he had occupied rather more time than wag usual on such occasions, but he had been induced to do so f5om a wish. to draw the attention of the-lhon.'gentleman to this subject. He bon. cludedby moving," That an address beprcsentedto his Mlajesty for copies of papers and letters relating to the dismissal of Dr. Thorpe from his judicial appointment at Sierra Leone, and the suppression of charges against certaiR officers attached to the Govemmentof that colony." Mr. WILMIOT HORTON aid, his wish was to learnfrom the hon. gentleman what were the ulterior meuures he meant to found on his motion. He vras already 3cquainted with the particulars of Dr. Thorpe's statement from a petition presented by him in 1821. He conld not consent to the production of the papers at present, but he was ready to assure the hon. gentleman that the subject should receive the attention of the Colonial Department. 11r. HUMIE thought tie case deserved consideration, and h6pedt; it would receive it. Afler a few words from 1Wr. IV. SnMTII, the motioh vith); drawn. .W IXI,temtosws-ih. RECORDER'S COURT AT BOABAY. Sir C. FORBES rose, pursuantto his notice, to movefor papers- relating to the suspension of certain barristers from practising in thuis court. Tbe'very lot tone in which the lon. bart. spoke rendered him nearly inaudible in the gallery; but we understoed him to argue that-the to6diuct of Sir Edward Wett wis perfectly justified by the circumstiance which had induced him to adoptit. his object in moving for the-.papers which he now requdred was, that the. justificanon of the Recorder might be made public. The honouralile baronet concluded by moving ' That there be laid bet'ore the house copies of the regulations of the ' Small Cause Court' in the Re. corder's Court at Bombay, frotn the establishment of that Cou*t, in the year 1799, up to the aryial of Sit E. West, as Recorder of that Presidency." Mr. JONES seconded the motion. Dr. PHILLIMORE expressed a hope that the honourable biro- net would either withdraw his motion, or defer it to some distant time, as the matter was now before the only competent tribunal, Abe Minc in Council, and it would be extremely improper, under sich circumstances, to make cpa rtc statements on any side. Afr BROUGHAAI thought that the introduction of the motion, under all the circumstances, was unjust. It would leirnpossible, in the state of ignorance in which the bouse was at present place2 wvith respect to the facts of the case, to come to aby fair deci- sjion on it. lUr. FEREGRINE COURTEi:NAY moved, as an amendmeat,, the previous question. After a few words from Al~r. TR~AT and Sir J. 1AC1rTOSx, M, Sir C. FORBES replied, the previous qstien was agreed to,, and the house adjourned at 11 o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS. A1oND~AY. JUXE 21.