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The Times, 1824-03-17T00:00:00

Tueq Si-i-xmit Oj Tfh eifa atV irarto r Llde fo ar Eo jrocks6 pn after rcdck, tbe-Ushb& oi the~.lak Rbd A~Ji'dredl at 'tlie bitrr. and summion5ed the-houise tothe'Hause of Lords, toiierr the royal risseent given by commission 'to Seve.al public and private bills. The SPEAxERI,ozi his return, atsnoanlzed the titles of the bills (forwhich see Lords' report.) Petitions4 for the abolition of slavery were prestnted by&SrW. Lr- scow, from St.Stephen's, Comnwall ;by Mr. 51 AY.Sf'I LD, frot7,000 of the inhabitants.of lecicester; by Sir IV. IeGI.LBY, frorn Tatter- shall; by Alr. DAVENPOIstr, fromi Conglerton ; by Al r. MtrNiy, ferotn Ashrburn, and from Dunwich; by Alr. Goocri fromi Fuken.. ham, and MVarket Harborouigh; by Mlr. TRESIAYNE from St. Miawe's; by Mr. H. ~atx,from Cliobhain r by Alr. fr-om Shlrewsbury, and otber places in thec neighibourlhood; by Mlr. BUrTvERWORTH, from Elthaim, Walthanmetow, St. Andrew's, a.d ot'her places; by Mr. Do'wscs, from Dunfeeimline, by Sir .JOHw, SrejRraGouT, frromIRickmansivortli ; b y Mlr. BonseAs, fromn Sand. wich ; by LordEASTWReo, from Reigate; andi by Mr. LITTI e.wTur from several parishes in the neighbouirhood of the Staffbr~ahire pot'. teries.-The whiole of the petitions were ordlered to be laid on the table, and to he pirinted, Sir B. MIARTIN preseirred a psetition fromn the innkeepers of Plyoutth, raing for the repeal of' the duties on their licences. Ir. GOOCl presented a siririlar petition fromi Framliluga n. Mlr. Alderman BRIDOES presentei ia similar petition frolm, olne of the city, wards. Alr. JASCELLES presented a petition from the curriers and leather-dre.sscrs of Northiallcrton, against the comibination law.;. Alr. BA RRETT presented a similar petition from thiz comib- makers of York.-Referred to tIre commnittee orh C!TO-s. Colonel DAVIES presenited a petitijon fromi the curriers, tanners, &c., OfWo aester, against any alteration in the acts relating to hides. MJr.IAT'J?ETON presentedi a petitioni fronti Leekx, Stafilordshiire. aginst the importations of foreign wvrought silks. M1r. W. DUN~'DAS presented a pertiton from the silk, traders of Edinburgh, prayitng fer a drawback, on tire stocks in hand. Petitions were presented bv Mr. BYteG fronti the licensed victu. allers of Bethsnal.green, and hemon those of St. John's, Clerken well., against the excise licences act. Petitions against negro slavery in the West 1ndies were birought up by Lord ALTHORP, fronm Kettering, anct ialso froni Tirritpeton, in the codunty of Nort-hampton ; by Mlr. WESTERN-, 25 petitions, from many parts and townrs of F,ssex, to the same effect as the pre- cedling; by Mlr. KEvxEnY, 7 fr-om the omiutyt of Y'ork, and( va- rious parts of Scotland, end one from Newport-Pagnell, Bucks; by Lord EDWARD S01EIRSET, 3 fromn Cheltenhams. Dtirrley, and WVootton,Undercdge; by Mr. CILULLt.S CAt.VEIRT, 1 frontl tire co%unty of Sonrerset; by Air. I,AX33TOr, 10 fromn the couinty anid city of Duirham ; by Ailr. DEN-isosr, I1froml Croydon, Surrey;, by Mlr. GitEY BE.,;s'ET, I fromn larlborouRgh; by Sir Trmat,.its A~;LA:;D, I from Topsharn, Devon, and 2front Cthe counity of lie- reford - by, Sir .JAMSe GRAHAM, I front Carlisle; by lIlr. Alder- Man iiEYGATE, I from Stdhrur'y, in Sufrolk ; by Alr. W. Court. T ENAY, I front the city of E~xeterr; by Mr. l3isNFrar (of Wilt- shir), fro tht cunty an byMr. EVANS, 0 fronti various part ofEngand; al wichpettios cncurredl in the sarne prayer, for he gadua aboitio of egroslaery in thle NiVest lirdlies. Mr. ~J E peseted peitin fontthe hoot andi slioe.makers of te cty f Lndo, aaint te cmbination laws ; whici wvas brough up, rad, ad refered totheettimittee on art isan*. CRMINAL LAW~ Dr. LUSH INGTON felt hiappy, to inform the house, that the situation iii which hie note, found hims,elf Placed wouldi not inake it intcunmbent upon himi to occupy their attentioni but 'or a very few minutes. The subiect which hie was about to introdluce to the Con- sideration of the hiiirse, was one of tite greatest insportance, anti at tise samne tuitie one of the greatest extent. W1ere it necessary for hitn at that oronrent to cuiter into the dletails of ttire pian whtich he meant to propose to tile cotirrilittee, (if hie sholotd be so fortunate as to induce the house tn gratit otte,) rrndorrbtedlv it seoutrIt be incus- bent uipon himi to offiura lengthened d-tailed exPlattatiort ofhisobjeccs: but, as he uinderstood tirat it was niot likely there Neould be any o ppoitroir given to tire miotioni withl whichi he meant to conclude, antI as lire w~as sure tire house would he ext remtely anxious to hecar the statement of tire tighit lion. Secretary for lForeign Affairs,, ire Fshouild confine tirose observations whiclh he felt it to be his s'.lrry to Mrake, within a. very narrow corripa-ss. Perliaps, under thecse conside- rations, he migirt he patiently heard itt the briee cxprositiot lire wvould proceedi to offer. (Hear.) lie iniertded to propose, tlieri, titat a corii. mteshudbe appoinjted for the ourpose of considering ttire expie. dliency of consolitdating and amendling the crimninsl code. Oni tire necessity of sucli a nittasure, ire apprefhendeti it would scarcelv be requisite for hiiti tomkeat obseryatios. Tire htouse ttti t be aware tirat from tlir earlie,st trimes, anti( docri to the preSelttihour, tirere lian been a series ofenimiinal stattites passed,Jlust precisely as occasion had arisen renrdering it neccessary to provride for tire trrat- nient, or punishmi-ent, or prevention of arty particular offience. As tlrere liad hiitherto been no regulated svstem for the reniurErion of those statutes into any, orderly or rmethrodicali trim, thtey lianl at presen strained to a very considlerable bulkz, and were nit a starte of' tire greatest possible confuision. There had not breen, hiitirerto , artiy at. tertipt inade to remnedy any of the puiblic inconveniences weiricit arose fromi tire existing conaitiozi of orrr criinrtal laws. Trhose inconve- nience ie wouldi not atteiii pt, oni tliis oc iort, to statc in arty ne. tail. Bi althould assirrre that the honusc was sensible of thiemi , antI all thiat it would be trow neceessary for bluri to satisfy it of WOrLIN be. thlat a rerriedy for studti inconvenienrces wats pr.acticabi bitt fite wouldI rtot proceed to sitate the grorints St pn wliicis he a mis prepared to corteerrl for tIre practicability of that reissedy, be- carrse lire was certisia that tire Ironse wvas not irrst 1now tlis;posed to f'ollow hiin into all the explanations tltat it wouild be expedienit to enter into. It was bitt riglit, however, ttirat liron. gentlersten should kirow to whiat cxterit lire meant to go, and tire pirinciples irpon wiricir ire intended to proceed;, for he shoulnl f'eel very, reluictant indeed to encotrinter any oppositiorn, eithier now or liereafter, arising out of a mITImappreherrsion eithier of the rletail of tl niueatsure tie was. about. to introduce or of thje mode in whicli it was liis wisli to effect it. Jn tIre first place, therefore, lire proposend to buntg ltefort: tire conrsinittee the whole of the criminal law itt its presenit state, airdl to unite all the various statutes of whicir it waxs corinpos-cl, tinnider separate hieads; so tirat they, would he reduced i'rto single statutes. -or exatrple- he should take all thei several statuites relarting to tIre crimie of' for. gcery, and bring titeir enactnertits untder one head. (Hfear.) Again, all the acts withi respect to larcettv, IIe t1Udnorr bring under one othier ; andI so of all tire seea off'eirces punishable according to outr statttte law. I t was trot his intention, in prolposing thisi pla n, to offer, its tire first inisancec, to introduce any alterations in the existirng law. Itt the first instanice lie shoulrd not suiggest anv alteration, either in tire clhzracter of oflznces, or in the nattire of thecir punishment. Wel're he to puirsuie a conitrarv Course. the greatest possible inconveniences ituight ensure. It would1, tlhere. fore, he his first object, that tire stairrutes shonuldi appear in a consoli- dated. formi, omitting onily rthe SipluT)ISage nult Of tire several prurvi- sionts and enactnients. TIite hourse would thus- he errabled to judge what were tire principal existing nlefects of our crimitral law ; andi defects there were ini in, so palpable and arparent, that lire was quit!e convinceed, if he coulti feel himself at liberty inow to state thtein that tire house would urnatinitrtrrsl decide iliat the statute bock recnitireni alteratioirs. Thos~e alterations, however. tiiglt Iforin part of another bill, to he hrereatfter 'united ts tIre consoli- dation hill: but at peet Ir mut explicitly dleclare to the house, anid he hopedt the house wo"lrl give hint credit for the- assertion, that it was his object to preopose, ir tire first stage of thec gene-ral irreasure that hie conweorplaterl, no alterationns rvlar- ever, excert tirose that be shoulni specifically bring bcfrrrediheouse, and in suchi a mariner, as, would irrake it inmpossible for airy- honour. able mem-ber to be ignorants of their legal efFect and application. He weould trot conrealfom them, howev-er, tltat hethtouvht itwotiltd eventtitally he necessary, after they slioild have cei .11c crruninral law in its consolidatetd state, and tire nlefects existinig in ruat law, that some aztarerial alterations should take place. Throse alterations it wouild he for ttire comitssitee, and especially, fCr his Majesty's Go- veritment, maturely. to consider ata future period ; atird pro. hal,in the couirse of next session, lire (Dr. Lashinizon) shudbe prepared to hrirrg tiseirs forwarTd in a proper shapev, having for iriany, years past assiduously dlirected his atten- tion to this nratter. His, object tiow wvas, nirreelv' to siibmiit to a coziriirittec tire congidleratiori of this great and ini:`iortant subject inr its first stage. }I-avirrg no clesire f'urther to trespass upon tIre timie of tire ironie, lie therefore reaved al'L those ob-;ervationns whinh miany years' consideration of tire subject miight otherwire have lirdirced hMt to aubniit; arid he shrould tirerefore coirteiit Iirimself' withr mn'v ing, siliply, " that a select coninrittee be appointedt to conidi(er the propriety of cirtsolidating azid amnending the Crimnrral code." (Hear.) Sir. JOHUN SM1ITHI seconded tIre tirotion. He tirought ti tat tire assenit of h'isI Mety's ministers to the proposition was cons-onant to tIre liberl w'1~cyhich tirey hiad latterly adiopted, and woutlri give satisfaction, to thousands out of tire hortie. The mnotion was theni anread t titanen. con- LEATHER TRADE',. Alt. CALCRAFT, in consequence of arepoettlrat wvasin irrer- lation, and had occasioned great alarmn to all personis eirgaged in the leatlier trade, wvishied to ask the right liron, genit. opposite', whiethrer it was the itrteiitiori of his Majesty's Goverrnment to) admnit the wrouglit leather goods of Frairre into tltis,corrntry unirier a duty of! 30 per cenrt, wvithout takinig off' tire restriction or duty irpon otirowrr leather trade ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied, that it had entered into iris plan to retrive tite proiriibition whichi existedi ini respect of tire limportation of' some articles of that trad e. DoubtlessI tire lion. gent. kirew thrat agreat many articles were already admirisi. his, u irn aynient of a drity of' 5 per cent.; and lire (thre Chanctllor oftie Exchequer) liad intenited to adtnit sortie otlicis; but of course, if it slhould be determined tlrat theyv were to be admittedtl 0110 pay- merit of a dutv not exceeding 30 peer cent.. it wvouild be qjuite proper that the existing duty upon tire exportation of the case naterial should he remitted. GAM1E LAWS' AMlENDMlEN.T BILL1. Mr. STUART NVORTILE illoved ttire order of ttire day for the housegong into the comluittiecon the bill. Mr.BRIGHT objectod to thebIouse proceeding with the bill at prresent. on account of the promnised stateirrent of tIre rigrt hnui. gentleuman (Alr. Canning.) Sir. ST UART WORTLEY explained. Tire last time tihat tire debate on this bill was taken, it was agreectd that it should he to. dav conimitted, proforniii, and tlrat the report should be received. The liouse then resolved itself inrto a committee, antI the Clhair. mnan brouglht up tIre report, tIre further col3sidleration of whichi wa.sas. signed for Monday next. SILK TRADE ACTS The CHIANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated, th4t though it was by no means quite irl the regular course of proceeding, he should, with the leave of the house, mnove that the house now re. solve itself into the romTiittee on some ot the regulating statates of the silk trade. His object in this niotion was to havel an opporttr. nity of rectifying an error in one of the resolutions respecting this trade which they had lately parsed ; and which error it was very sia- terial to correct as soon as possible.-The liouss then went into the comiittc , Dr. Phillimore in the chair. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER repeated his anxiety to rectify an error, which, if persistea in, might be consi- dered as one productive of great injustice to certain individuals. Acco-ding to tbIe resolutions that lhad been alredly passed by the house, as to the amoant of drawback to be allowed upon silk note in the Iatitds of holders, it was provided that uporn that which was organzine, the draswback should he equal to tire amoant of thre difference betwveen the present duty and trhe duty it was intended to take, seithi the addition of 10 per centt. in compensation for the wraste whicl the silk would have sustained in its progress fromn the raw mate- rial to the organzine ; butit wasquiteclea that it would be very hard upon thosewho might have purchased of the throwsters, ifl for the waste theydidnotrece veits share ofdrawback.DIut,on thleotherhand, it-was equalsly obvious,that ifithis drawback wore to bc given first to cIte throweterz anld afterwards to tire purchaset of the wiaste, it would be veryliepaying it twice over. He should now, therefore, pro- pos4 that the drawback to be given on orgauaine shotild be equi. valeust; to wba-would bne the, drawback on the actual ausoulit of or- ganzine su1kprndec4; end that the drawsaek to the throwster should ,be-ilowed ups tie act ial amount of- waste silk, on the silks. prodiiced by hi-, Mr.- ELLICE iiwa beenl desired to ask the right honourable gao tlematiwxhetliei it i~as; his intessnon. to give a drawback on anv spe 'ctes.of suik-that had:ib~er calt ? It waN~very mlterial'that, the rigl. h~on. gaentle,n.tn'5 answevr. wfhether it the atfroiativeeor the ngtv shouild be coosmivsieicted. gi Thie CHANCELLOR of the EXCIHE.QUER was obligedt hlis lhonoterable friend for addrestsing th'fe questioti to him. 'Cerusinl the beat opinion wvhich he could form'tupon the subject was, that the matter of drawbacks, (i-overnment hiad gone the utmiost lnig. whbich thtey could go to. (Hear.) The effiect of giving the draw backs, hivih it was proposedI to alov wvould he by no means incnr siderable upoin hie revenue ; anid he thioutght hie sniouldi not be justi fded in pushing them any further. Tuie right honOUrablegentlema conclut ed by propusing a resolution, emnbedying the substatice of hi sipeech ; hut of whicht wte couldi not mnore diStinctly collect the tertnt owing to the confusion) Occasione'd by thle excessi-r,lE: crowve sa of the gallery. ddsa The resolution wras then puit, And( agreedl to: thechouse havinig re surned the report was ordered to he receiveil to-nttorrow. On thle motieni of the CHIANCELLOR Of the- EXCI[EQUER, thi committee on the silic trade bill was postponed till Tiiurseday. The annual duties bill was read a third timne and passed. REPEAU OF THE UNION' DUTIES. On thle mainsI Of the CteAeeCge.1,ot of thle EXCICEqUE:R it Was ordered, that the house do o-n Thurs&tiy next resoizlve itself ilnt a commn-ittee on the unRion duntes acts. TIhe richt iton. gentlemar stated, titat it was his intention on that day to pro.pose their re. COUNTY COURTS BILL. Lord ALTIiORPmrovedi that the further consaitlerattion of thil report of the county courts. bill be deferred till Thu rsda`v._Ordeed heCOMPENSATION TO LAW OFFICERS;. Th .T R E -E E & moved that the hcuse do or Thursday resolve itself into a1 commtiittee to conrsider of corinensa. ttons to be grantedl to certaini officers of the Couirts of King's lBetnch anti Corni.non Pleas, and of tlte Courts oif (reat Ssini Wls whose Salaries and ernolutoentsq were likely to be dim~inishted by the operation of the couaty eoturts hill. After a few wuirds p,rom Mr. AiiEtctsomtaY, Lard Ae.rsTeos0 t s,. .and the ATT'roaeeEY_(;E?wEaAL, whlich were iniaudlible inl htI gialiery, Mr.1 fU.'ill', objected to thre motion, wiiclt, hie Said, would bt PI, d ing tmembhers to vote for some comp~ensation, whereas thv houst iadn,o c, iderice before tilaim that anysSucht comptensation wa&calied for. A desultors' discussion then ensued as to the propr'ety of going itub a commnitttecofthe wltle)I house, with tlte view of considlering tite icomylpctsatiiafnt,tth~o,e offrer- ,in wihteA lar ts s. I1XlroiG,EStAt., Mr. AjitncttoMax-, . Mr. Hu t.F, Mr. H sxissoN La,,rd At.Tiltotst',and Sir .1. Nmvpoite'r.ruok a part. In thie cot'rse of, this ,discussion the epitvsxx, took Occasion to observe, that findeminiflcation to thos4e olhicers wvere intEenided, it mustq be troposerl in a committtee of the witole house. Sir J.'NEWP(RT thought thlat 'the objections to the cnm:nit- tee mnight fie obviated, by inserting in the rnotion tlte words-4 to jconsi(ter bow far it mlay Le expedicnt to griunt anv,', ved whiat com- pensation, &c2' Teiiithus antended. after eoltt, furlther sitort disculsion, 'VEST IND)IA COLONIL~S. Mr.CAN INi- ppere attit br wthpapers, isv Commnand of hs Mjesy. hey ice orere tebe brought up, andI the titles read by the clerk. Tl~~~~~~~ev were entitled.~~~ Papels in expllanatioti of tit utnsresadote byiti iiajstvs overnment -wtrb the veth of aeliratng te cndiion f te Ngroslaves in thie West lildies." Mr. ANNIG ten altirsse thehoue.i ri ayir.g those papers on tlte table for the informlation of ithouse, it biecamle 1his tdity to take ,ca review of tltetireasures wic hadl bevin adopted bv and of the Cours whlielt iris IMajest' mnseshduredIn Car- ryfung thlose omsasttre, inlo etmCt. in dointg this O wo tkuld lpostlI,n tlthlatter part ofhi,, address, tltat branuch of th utte hch titers mittilt exist elit?aences 0'of oinion. and beg9in with thlat iln wvin ch t Ite whole house had concurred. lie wouh(i. therefore, desire that thec clerk Should read the rcolutionq which the hour ed 11Itgreedl to on the Ni1h of May, 18723. Tin, clerk tithei read, thelhlow resolutiotts: Resolved, olr-,etiaci'iantadien1v, That it is expedient to ad"opt effectual att(i l ectstve measures for anisriioratir.g thle Condition Of the -slave tioptilation in hlis ,Majesty's Colonties T hat,J.Jcio thou ltaieterentened anti perseverinig, bult at the sante ttsjtcits and tntuperate, enforcemnent of such ts rs thi itouse looks fiorwarA. to a progressive irruirovettIent in tite eltar.-eterol' tlte slave irupuhation, Such as tiaxy prepare theitt for a iatttricpatiton itt those civil rights anid privilegCes alicht are, enjoyed be otlter classes of his .rlajety' a stibjecu; "That this hotise is anxioitte for the, ac,oopisnientof this tur. pose at the earliest periodltttat shall be- conpritible With tite Well. Iteitg of tlire slaves tltcnsrl-ves, with the saf'trIp tf thte Colonies5 atnd withi a fair ane equitable cnsid :atonofteltrstope sate propert v." MIl. CANNlN(i eco,niued._Ile was desirouls that thloe s-rotld he.ar itt miind th,e text aLd tt eanling of throse resoiutriotis. be- eatte thiese, and nut any general priuciplcs, or tuore widely spread titory,hd lz besti ,he grounds on witicli his ~l Mjesty's tittnisters tt takenti teir utcasutres.L'Und'ttbtedli' heresse fet. Ie. su bjecc ts w icieit could beapproached tiours calettl'ttA to cxCite a leatitti l-tarOn abe he er theti about to enter. To Speakoftasnemrl ofa tdillicult nature wnuld be greatly ut undervaitte its linliortne itudintpopely t tiscribe the di&illuties ivith wihichi it was on all ait1~es trotitpa,sseel-.djficlfeties whichitnttst lbeobvisns to allsvho ap- proachtetd it, hut wltiels he wXho a;PTpoachedl sithtave to retuedy WOUld finci thick-en arottnud hint at everv stepl, frequ.enti,ly , leaing hite ottly a chloice of evils. ( Heatr.) i)jljcult, however, a-s It was, it twss less so at present tItan whien it tii-st presented itefto tite at- tcnt ion of thie hoiuse. At that tinte theyv had to tom)bat With man)', objections-to grapple weitht long.etitablished prejuttices a. nd pretlec- tions, wehichtwerer to its in a great decgree remlovedi before anyl) t1. porati stp c xsd be talken'to torwvartl twhat all admilt t-r to'be ttecess ar-the atoclisratiou f h edietof ai to, ner slae.ili th&'houses had rcsolve,l l:Ntstyear htadicoitsider.tlc na rrrowetl,the q1ueStioit, and he litopctl he litoitld not Itsuttderstoo,it as titisrepre. seuting tite collective settee of thie houtse ott thiat ocerasiot, vwhen lies took it to be att admission ofthe ev,ils (if slaverv intsthe ahstrrct tltat in rlevisiitg toesuis fosr the gradutal retttedy tif thtose evils ther had to corntbat wititol ohections wehicit tiose hIL stinctione.ad lil tintse alone cotidd rentove ,that thleye woet various ratittfic!stOns Of property connectetl with slaverv', and tiecessarily growing itttut ( it. Whtich wvere to be attentivcly cans,idcreri, trea;ted With tenderness, attd resptect. attel not swept a'way at Once by any tiasty utneaSure. lie hopeti be dlid tint tmisrepres,ent thle ittteniitt 1of the hous itt agree. lng to last veetr's resoluttons wilen hie to.ok it to he that tltere sc.ts n,o general feeling or ditsposititon tor imnetditte etiuancilaietotl(i(E-ar) be hop4led t i not titt'rcplCtScttt t bentaie he unlderstood theut to have lookedi to fia:tien'tt'cipation as tise restuli tt gr.dstal :tndl gen, ral ituprotemetnet itt tite co'ndititon of tile 3slates, 31at tel;t:a tlit' conse- 'ittettee f ti instantattouis proelatulation of g~tieral fievduitl (itear)- heitoped ts iedid not tittreprespt thlem, wh"1e Oh ok Ithteirinten,iono be, thtat hi, Majcstve a ilvtser -. as fitflttr1i tminis-tcrstsf the Asihntes f tite hotitse, shouldl,tit ctrry.iteg th,lse seis,hes, into ex-cution, cottstder not only what seas rtight in stheoyv.butt What vas.'tsisst in pr-uet1eeoo(t only lt6w titeymtht do t tl'greates,t gtica, b,itt lin' tieyresoitidhdo it Witllititele Iast ev il.(I-he .it tear.) fie th-ltOt:ht lICie id ntt t 01isre. liresent the eelings .tt!telitouse anti the euttntre ev n titis stthject. whien lits stated thttt in any rthilg iriltieb hadtl een dotte ott this itu.- nor,ant sub 'Iect, there weaStto mixture oIf tf-elow isardstaseis uhivitlttals whshesslot was eC.st inllltose rrgiass. and thtat while tite holrr,e stelrdtle gttide.l tlheotselves Ite t'hose prineiles Stavoitrable to) tite aineliorat`on oi' thle condition ot1t sh lv, hysotitlll ot thrirec the piougLth.shnre ovcr protisette so sacred as thlat which tlielC possess,ed. (Hfear, hiear.)Th''bse were tile printciples On Whiich t!js ZMaje.,ty's G'iern-ntert li..dacted, and utpon telticit tltev wished tohjtdgeAh. Iftiters were atte, illS thon i4t tttenouigh i-Itto been hone,cir tt.et storeittg itave lbeen tiotte Iin ashiortt'r tone, lie trusted thiey eoultd nOte statst, toitot tutlite hoped that lie shoiltil be stile to shOn', tiat itt an s'tdo ;s whti-h Ihad brett done, tininsters had been guided by the tsrtncitle it carrviitg into CflW,cE the intet1 tion of tie Itouse 11, sts 'izjni,utleor ths,teaiteliorationoit o whtose cotndi tion teas I` props-li, ;mitu uI'i tite least poissible itt-i ryto f those W110o ~ ilAterstswr to h.:!co'istilted. Atnong all the Pl-iteical eittharassuietts ittcn'etnothis hstestion. this teas an obvious onIe- that there was scarcely stit epression or t tphrase th:t c-ttiti be let fall by' tie respontibtle a4visers of the C'rowen whtich titigitt riot he seizet i byOne p-arty or the other, antI wrresteo tv terosin purposes.- In the olutset. thett,fiteteottld ileceate- that he hiaA considetetd ttlis q:iestioit deetily, attd witit the- uEtitO.st imtpartiality. It' lie hail ape eartial feelinlgatt Pll, iig t'rot-o tite habits o' his earle lit's, was ftvottratile to the prirteiplv (if getteral abolition ; the sh'tce lite had first a se,at in tihat hoit4c, lie la ever been friendly to theileficfnite que,stion. which htai beetn sa long before Parliament. Buti, not uostndouhsedlv. thev Whoip ere- tuiost favourable to tltat ttueasttrc bur always kePt* Otit of sight th:s ituestion of total abolitiotn which waLs tiow lntrodittceei. He 6ldno miean to say thtat lie svoiuldi be guilty of any bTeachi of faithi towards tilose it hail fom lyopposetl thii abolitioin; or thatseortr teha had beeln eqttahly favottrablthto this abolition of tue trade cottid now be ineonsisteat inl avowing thieirin itenition of abolishitng shavers' itself: brit he toust be permitttcd to say, that thene iist zealotts ad.f- rocates of t he abolit'ion of lite trade iteed stttdioutslu' cotncealsed tiis,, which was, cotinsidred an alisrittinost result Ot' tite qttestion. li'llea lie ttsed the word alarmling, lie dlii so wvitit ref'erence to t ile ttse that tit;ght leie made or' it. (,od forbid that tte Should secr te-vocMetetile principle Of peroittuent slavery. If any loan were to a.si hinti, eas lite favoetralte to the permnttent existen'ce ot'a state of' slaverv itt ocir colotieis, liee soul(i say iso0. if any oue were to as hitini, was litefavotitrable to 'ittunediate abtiiin hI seuld trstntei reply no. But if litewere asked which he woulti p.c'r pr- ma11nent sincere Pt itomediste abolition, lie rhdlttot knowe. Ltiner all the ciretsnittances, witetier h-e slitulti not Say, lie would piee thlings retitaining as thiee were. Butt theev were tjot driven to either of those extremies. Betwee tilte two, there seas, still idebatteable grottnd. 1-i looked to thte rcsetlt of giesdual ttteasttres, producing gradulal improvemoent, by' shichit ilt onIly tite. indlividlual slave shtoutld be Set free, but his station he aboli.sjed ior sever. (ffear.)I He vieseed this as he did the inmprovenenit Of thlose states of istrope that Once serers iost barbarous tend swere now most polished. le looked to it assa toe-mstre of co-operatioln ancl concrtrrence front all partiea meantirethat evould eventuailly take its way rather& b the light of reason than by the liowel of coCTciop. Hilear.) Tlfe papers wiich lie h3a( p'acc.l upon the table itere ol two sorts the first consisted of reports made to this Governinett front soue of the \v'est India islase,; tire otlier contained explanations of the scheme which his Majesty's -Mliisters hlad adopted for carrying iiito execution the measures of the hioust of titc last session. The 6irst set of papers he would pass by for the present, and cetie to the second. (ientlemen were aware. that our Wl est lndiaislattds wered vide4 into two classes,of shichbvt far thessnialler portion wete under the governnent of the Crown of England, withb ovt the ititervention of atuy local legislative assenbly. 'Thit affairs of tite other portion wsere utanaged by popular assestblies, forneti as miriaturesof'ourown here, and not a little jealousof' any intcrfe- rence with their preroadvizes or privileges by ti-e tovernnient of this country. It svas trest that the first class of colonties wsere mttitch timore easil' inaniged thati the others. In onic oF tile papers on rhta sub- ject it liath been suggested that the experimitenti of atn'lioration bltotild be tried in some of the smaller colonies, in the view that if they should be successftl, they niighit operate as examples thr itie larger ones. The colonies nantedh *cre Trinid'id, Si. Litei ang Desterara. lie had named these in the order in which he cots- ceiveil their form..er governments ia(l been favotrable t:) the princi- ple of abolition. Trinidad, as having belonged to the Spaniards, who were most favourable to it, lie ranked first ; then St. Luicie. as haringr belonged to the French, who seers in the next der *r e favourable to it and Dernemsra, as having teen tlte colony ol the Dutch, who were the least friendl -to the priticiple. First. ivith respect to 'I'rinidad, he would observe that 20 years ago he had assisted by anhonourable friend of his wlio knew muchi mnore upon the subject than hitnselt; called rite attention of the Governnment to that colonvy; and submittedamotioi to the eff'ect that it sItould not be platedon ihe saimefootingas tileothercolonics,butberesesved for the by td6me aie,i2sgtleaa to it .6e1lt that tht'savesi ate 'ktnar.ien t th'eirlabour vith it. The. fact Wa?,'thaVt'te use of.1ise whip .as sqtjpedulitar to. the West India colOfties-: it was died. in t*~ United'S,tates in thesaineC Way asin ourislands. The oyerseer, or-drivir,blald it ailiesuperin'tcnded tshe work ; he uised it when he thought it was called for;. and! ;f he wets a man ot' harsh or feroci- ous temper, thie odds wCre that he often used it improperly. But, althouigh n6thing-ofrended, t4e,abollti-aniss mnore than to compare the aQndition oli the,'sJflve~, Aiitber m9gral (ir physieal ti4.that ot* ayprinof the subjects-of our own country-, yet it~ wa nimpos ble not to remember that the tvhip (here so miuch decried was, used, and:the use of itdefenttcd both in our army' and navv. Thie answer to Any objection was-"1 We vwant very, soldom to in'flict the punlshnient, buit if you deprive us - of thie power to inflict it altoge- tehr, -we cannot, maintain disiprine,.t and if, without the occasional applleatio?iof this coerci6n-. we coutld not deal with Euiglishnsen, how, wir it to be~ supposed, thiat, it coutld be dispentsed witlh .in the -control of-uien sb a-noant ta negroes.? Ile fully agreed in the pro- priety,-asiwelXs..rhehumanDity, of sutib'ring nopunishment to take pllace unt,i wrat timne suibso1ueut to. the offence con;mitted, so nasto preveat't~le'posuibility of-unsehiefbeing dontir insudden anger;4 but he ~vas'b3!ntro feitnacprepa 1',tosay-tliatlhe wlip could be get rid )of ailtogether. In %tanding,uirwower,as he did opposed to the visewsof the part ywho mtgIhtbe terssitehefriendsofabolition3,bethought any how rat r thani favourably, or -the course whiichi had" been pdursued by mniasithrs. Theeohduct, be thought, of Goveraineiti, and espe- cially of the righit bon. gnt., who-had opened the debate, was open-to, all the objectiont wbich Tad beeo.nrriale to it by his hon. ri?nds (Alr. Wilberforce"-idAfilr.Buxton.) The coiductofGovemnment was alike *deficient in courtage ana in pitltiffi-&Andouir. Ile thoiight. the %ug- gestion,perfectly good as rLzarded -.the arrangement to be adopted (say) at Trinidad.. It was .doing a great deal, bet not mote than mig[it be done consistently -withi safety ; and lie honed that it wouldl lead to the. end -whichi all gentlemen looked' forwaird to-thoti-h some were-ato.xvos.to arrive at it more speedily than others-l..o tY~e eventual emnancipation of slaves in our colonies. But we mnust nout rake any Utopian, view or syxemn, we mnurt take the wo-rld as we found it ; and we nmust deal wvitlh the. olonies, not as if they were, oirI coul be whlat we illiglit wish theivi, but as theiy were in thteir pre- set preuliesmient; and what he objecte ow that wve were not acting fairly or candidly, by the WVent India proprietors-wve did'not speaK out-we told apls' part of oar case. The fact was, that the dlisuse o f the whip,. And. xfe abolition of the Sunday markets, these demands wereinseanit to operate in the way-only of an entering. -wedge. If Goveranment. came forward plainlv'and raid, to the NV~st India proprietor, "1 Do these things.," or " ))o such things," and wvith thiis we will-be-cQatept ;,tlbn. the inhabitants of Jamaic-a must he imprudent notat once to waent to the. proposal : but whet it was plain that on oppositp course of Policy was being pursuedl, anid that the fact of any concession-having been obtainedI to-day wyas onlly to be miade an areuiment for demnanding sonie farther concession to-mnor- row, then he- thoughttrheinhabitantof Jamnaicalbada righitto say to Grat Britain, " I will not treat wvith youi. I have a legislature of mny own, and on the power of that I will rely, Yzu are strouger than I am andi if yQu cbio3se to do an Act of violence, I cannot help it ; but if you do overconme me,. it shall be by violence alone 4 for your modle of dealing is not candid, and I will thierefore have no treaty w-ith you." And again, it was worth while to observe, that the colonists had no fair play from ani s-ide. There wvere gen- tlemnen-tlie hon. member, aimong others whbo hatd spoken second in rite debate-who wished for a still more rapidnmeasure towvards einan.. cipatmon than was proposead; but they none of them stated in precise terms what measure it was that they, wvanted. For thec proposition as to the emiancipation of children he was sure that it would be found impracticable; but whiat he miainly copaned of was, that we :went on, session after session, wih= doing any thing whichi was to set the question defi- nitively at rest. Government ought to niA such a declara- tion as both' blackcs and whites should tinderstand; and then thecre might be somie probability of their livin in amitv withi e-cli ot'her. Thc hiouse would remember the value of' our West India islunds; their natural connecxioni with America; and tie power whichi they gave their possessors over our commercae through teseas in which they lay. Thrown into the htandsa of -the blacks, they were in fact thrown into the handis of America--of America, wvho had now been spoken of' as the second miaritime powet in the world; and wvho, whille slhe was cuni- ningly goading its on to do constantly somnething more for the slaves iii our colonies, was very negligent of' their condiition as they existed in hier own territories, If~ it wvere capable of being shown that the colosites could not be maintained wvithout the abomimiations which were stated to exist in themi, lie shouldI say certainly, not- withstanding all their value, let them be given tip; but, putt.ing aside thie question of compensation, whichi, if it came to thec point, however, would frighten the couintry to look at, ithe house oughit to feel that it waus dealing with no, trifling interest. WVe lhad petitions enouglhon thesable.and-evezy gine knewm the elffrtsy li' hieh those peti- tiorns were procured,and someof themt certainly we-it so far as to offer the giving of compensation. But if once the amounts required was understoodi, anid it was explained to tie country, that they must go on bearing the leathier-tax andl the windlow-tax, for the purpose- of paying ldO,OOO,0OOl. to the WXest India planters, lie wouldl venture to say that the petitions wvould very sensibly dimyinishi in number. in conclusion, he was of opinion that tIme duty, of GDvernment was not to daily with the subject, but to meet it baldly and defainiively. Teouht to talce a plain, mnanly, decided coarse upon the ques- t gn adh was sure, thiat when they, did adopt such a course, the house.would support them in it. .Mr. PEEL said that the horourable irember's charge agalust Govemnment might have had aecnie weight, if liis own adnsis- sions, as he went on, had not coimpletely refuted every tittle Of it. (Hear, hear.) The hrnourable member had niade a gret mny ompains, ut hat le had answered-themn all himelf ad terfor h ('ir Pel)should have to d~tain tile houe vry hotlyupo te qutin.The hon. memiber, as it seemd t hi, amittd eerythh tht the Governiment could de- sirehim o adit.He amittd th digers of despotism gene- raly-te dngrs fdmesicdre,potism especiaUv-and he admit- tedtheexitene o a opuarfeding on the subject, whlich p laced th rprisadthelie of the colonists in danger. Under thee cicmtances it was, that the Government was called uipon to act. The hon. memnber for Taunton insisted that there mast be "1some understandim'g;" it was easy to say thiis; but gen- tlemen whio were so decidei ought to say what understanding. (Hear, hear.) There were omly three courses which Governinent coud take. It miht decline all interfemence, and leave the colonists and the Anti-slavery Society :o fight the battle out between themr- selves. Woulda reolutionalke thattbeagreeableto thebhon. genL.? To set our faces inl loto against alteration and im"provyrment? Wlhy, probably nor; because thelton. gentlenian admittedf that much inmr proveinenthad alTeady takin place. WVell! there was anothercourse wvhich Government mriglat take upon the question. It miglit re- solve to legislate altogeiber for the colonies--to take the mea- sures. necessary entirely into its own hands; making no dis- tinction bectwee'n those wtoonies which haid legislatures of their ownm, and thlose which were imimediately tinder the commatid of this country. Wloidd that couirse be acceptable to thie Mdn. member for Taunton ? Why, again, probabl not ; for rofhssech had been occupied in thowing the fo61lly of it. ]VIen th olvreniaininig course was that whlichl Government had taken, and w;liich the hosourable member for Taunton had taken mucih pains and time to shiow wasi the wisest that possibly cmuld htave been taken. (IHear, and lauighter.) In those colonies as to wvhich the Crown had % distinct right of legislation-in those co- louiesa, Government had resolved to commeiice an exaimple which it was hoped would soon be followed by those who had a right to le4is- late for themnselves. (Rlcr.) It was easy toaccusethe Government of a want of manliness and resolution; but he (MIr. Peel) wished to know from what quarter but from thme Goveruinient any definite plan hiad Originatedl? The honourable member for Taunton said, that minis- ters did not state timeir whole intentions- upon the suibject at once- that they did not demand so mnuch, or suchi thtings, and say, " this dtemand shall be the laV." Why, surely Government gave no suchi pledge, because such a pledge would be in oliposition to all reason- able policy. WVas it fit thlat it shotild precluide itself, because it m-ade alight alterations is a systrnt at present, from making farther alterations, and greater ones, when there were the mesans of doing so without danger ?. Fromi the sReech of the hon. uiember for. Taun- ton i opostio t thcorsqIntenbyGovernenest,he was warrant- ed m decarin tht corse d bethe onlafe or practicaI one that bonlliav ben pusued Th hon meber for Bramber advised it wold bt8 folow t. Th Indtibrale mmbersad that heha no confidence in the conduct of. colonia legislature; and by what mean8,tbwi, did lie propose to get the las of Parliaent carried into efect? I?the laws made by these colonial legIsaue themnselves were not puit in eueccetioD, what security ha te honoun-able gentleman that his law would be treated with more respect? 'Aas it not better, for the sake of the slave himself, to attempt at lsaat toi conciliate those aplthbrities, without whose assistance it was impossible to do -any t1hin& important in his favour ? He did affirm, that if mnatters ,stood as they were represented by the hoinourable mersib~r forBrainber, it was Ii-posselbe -to enarct lawvs in England, apda relv.upohs their being oheyed by cPonial le- gislatures; afid,. if it was to be argued that we oiught, in that case; -to sup4ersede such iuthpritieg, and to send out fresh officers, and even troops, to tarr3f ou`r .oTr'eiit4tb executiion, such a course, lie would say, and he bQrivcd,th~tfew wqguld'be tound to. contradiCt hiht, wasp likely to be amly, thiing-.rather than bedenficial to' the slave population. The propositbAwlipoh had licetn so eloqtLently and temperately laid down by his right hon. frienm) (M,fr. Canning) was, as it seemed to him (Mr. Peel), tb6 t.~ue prattical'and advantageos one. -It rsiatled the aniirnws in .which-the Engishb Government was proceeding. Our coniduct in those cisltinies, Whrd bjrtigltive bad fm.l power to legislate, would operate as ani example,, and aa a warninog, to ithote which had legislaturee oA' the3it ovn ; anid 'h~ 'could -not doubt that the nea- eounnkion of those`coloniss with-England, anid the just pride which the fet t sarng eliraly n er aWand institutions, would lead the, a sei ~i te fintmodentof'irritation wae over, to fall- cheefuly Ito tesemeaureswhih se'hiad-elsewhere thought fit Dr. LUH INGON bore ihi- rmind the declaration of the right .bon 'oeg ereary last ses;ion,. that in case the colonial assem- husb ced wt 'conturmac' hie -would ask' the assistnce of the) hotus~ upon " the subip#t ; and, weithouft' uching, at the then liloment, -it sums lthe 'jo,int of -t'ontumtacy, wouild entertain very )ittld esrxlctati6fi of' good, resultingr to the general question, if the thought tlie- righitlonotneable secretary meaitt to confine hinr- spoken. -It was utged, and as a main argument, by those wyho were hostile to the abolition -of slaverv, that the very discussion of the subject in England. tended to lilht up flamues in the West Indies; and that the ihsflarrections which had Lately taken place there rmight' beiraced to otr debates in the House of Commons. ie 'denied .that, upon- principle, discutsion could'produce any such efrects; and' acribed the disorders which' han occurred to tauses of a very dif- ferent description'; To take,-for instance, the case of Oemerara: Hiad hon.'YnTenbeos seen the lost reportwhich'had been mnade by the. Registraroif sAaes for th'at settlement P-Did the house know, thatsince fle'pieWous report, thedeathsof negroesin Deemerarabad been 5,200,- iveile (he birthF amrounted only 'to; 3,5P0; 'that-as regarded the 'on.: 'ditidtma of th6 -lAh%v&mthei3)utchlaw *as incotnparably the most bar- sbaroiis and'trbitrary- i Wd that'--a door was 'effectually opened to frWsii ihp rEiilatby-the penrtission granted totrs.nsfe.r sdaves ffroou the:sevetI - islairdi;to thecontinemit?: It 'vas inthe condition of the neg'roes tlaths hlooked.for thel.trde causes of insurrectioh. 'Seven hdndred'ttbhaAsu'd)sersbns;and.upwards'were.vdeprivbd rctically of' thebleasit of natiiage, fdr there aais nothing to preventhusbaiiml trld wFil- fwrurbde~invaeatiediy, sale' frorn each 'other. The- eviaenEeiof drflmt-vmbsotbembgadrnitibld in eoutdfofjusticeileft that- wlialdediSssof msopuWio -efitirely' ;destittad of protection.' lie was dvrtfeet -htow lidculf it wastti iegislatb effectually for these. tpeoKle;' stmdthat very difficalty formed ohe of hisobjeutionstorthe: ,exltenCbO'a~sIaVe'popuIatsone v,Wwa' siost difficult inthisi.ouni trys the mfoXfia ts nmnair lost,- hi!i freedom, eithei 'by, confineaneht itdt A'df elvtl e immSalbretess tefrann-esiawssuffieie subthleto il'otect balms from opbregstots * laretrhe almtve'stood 'in:the :Smneconts ijaiotoi, 4 JbCie thsirer!sJtQ'ue felimg'aaihstshimi'ostraccouut.of 2iiat CoioUt', wsh'rgh* - atl alo posablhe ever'.to ;et -'' ' "' -' ! :o- eviaensce dr an' ofi'ende comP&~A egainit hito, or to proetire a jury who wou1d ,-iln4~a' - -verdict UP-'t h~Vas a whiite mnan) agatristtlaeofflend&r.~ The lirloveledge of ti,it~b VIGus impossibility, or- eraicatibg it, preventAd'.hixs 1.-einhamfikg mnuch hope of'amnfiraio.i&ef-i.ee ndition of tlbfxavci-; -bi1tstbuie,:_ thing, no doubt, might bdg"fr'eetedl; and there could te! ni' point*in the suibject more deserving thc immediate attention of Government thani the present law, which putt-upon the blackmana-theo,cs-alwayw- ofproingtb bsasfree: The adoption, howev,er,of som-ecoutrse leadiig.irety"O emancapatsQnlwa theg onl system to whieic. Practically, he could lopk for real benefit; and 1he- believed that, to keep theriegro popualation quict, it was absolutely iecessasry. that auch a hope should be held out. 'From his own kniowledge of West tndia s,ff9irs,hbe had come decded~ly io this 'zrnclusion-that -'it was for -the beniefit of the colonial preiprietore to effect a 'reibrin in the e=stng systerni, and to fit the negroes for the conditoisi of free laorcrs as soonmstpossible. ke'wislAed that the WestlIndia inter- est--and especially the colonial asseinblies-weuld endleavour to consider the questionl withi temperance andamoderation ; and not, by infammatory speeches, tendirqg to nanttch all hope away from the negroes, do moi(re to e-xcite insurrectiozi than had ever been done by speeches- in Pacliament, (Hear. hear.) For he would ask any lion niiember, whatever hiis opinion uipdts the g eneral question, whethier it wasposibl fr te seehesof hehon. member for Br'amber to proluc on har te ll-eelng nd otblood which wvas generated by he peehesof he oloialassmbles? Could those whobe-pro- mise me liertydo o mch t exitetheir 'discontent, as those who raned hem iththoassuanc ofperpetual wrretchiedness and slavery?F (Hear hear.~Telnug whichi had gone forth from colinial assembliez in ~ etIde,wouldI being aestruction, if it ws cotined, ponthos asemi~iesthemrselvesi. Let themn not say henthe ow ell,tha theblae via owing to the speerlics in tle nglsh arlamet. he on.and fesancil gentlemian ihen ~rocede tospek o th ne chrchestabIis,hmCtn iii the West He aproed o th sysem,and trusted that th4 arie seletedwoud cnsier t teirfirt dluty to attend to the ir?- struction of the negro population. He cautioned the Govern- ment against entering into too strong bondsg upon this subject with, the whiite inhiabitants of the islands Withi respect to the siubject of missionaries, he did not uindlerstand it ; and he hopied that the epl oftherigh ho. gnt.(Seretary for Foreign Aflbira) woul plce he later eyod te rachof doubt, that thie mission- aris wre o b uner he ontol f te church establishment : he undestod tht tey wre o beundr te samne control as tile sects to whih tey elogedwer athom. le dd nt epec tat an ex- any thigtof the.sort shiould be in thecnmpai othm. It would, be the height of injustice-it woudb hhgetigaiil to a bodly.of men to whom they wereinetdndepolatns The mis'sionaries had worked aloneintefldaoehdhy borne the brunt, the beat,thelabour of thdaopsigteels to every species of hardship-struzglingws h otavrecr cumstances; andl if the mioral degradationo h ere had received any ray of' lighit to lead them to a highergsei xsec,tece dit was due to the missionaries. They badi sacrificedthitme their labouir, all taste arid prospect of worldly ha~ppiness oaciv that work. They desered the praise, of the lefuislture and of the country, be they Mlethodists, Baptists, Anabaptists, Presbyterians- to whatever sect t!4ey belonged, the), were Christiants; and hoesl courageoustlv, and nobly had they done their duty to their- benighted fchlow creatuzres. The time wouild soon arrive whien the ParIliament mnust take into its serious deliberation the charges which had been brought against thein with or without foutndation. He would not, hy a single expression, anticipate the merits of tse questioni which would then undcergo discussion: but this he would say, witli respect to the island of Barbadoes,that if faults thiey had committed,those faults, wha'tever thev'were, must have been exceeded by the condluct of the white populajion in the same island. Ile hoped to see the varied and nianifoldI evils which hail been predicted in the arguments oni bothi sides counteracted, by the eight honoasealile secretary holditig out somie hope to the 'slave, that the day was not far distant whein the negroes wouldl be enabled to put forth their claim to a participation in the blessings of free an~ rational government. If any thiing could materially tend to preserve the peac, toassuge te het, to alay the irritationi now said to be fel b th ngros,it would be some assurance fromn the Govern. men?at hme,dlivred by, the right lion, gent., thiat the slave might liv oi n te ur ad certain hope thlat his fetters before long would be broken. He observed that many who. had already spoke n on the oilier side of the argument were anxious to pres upon the righit hon. gentleman for some decided expression as to tie ultimate intentions of Government. They would fain say, "wie will allow vou to go thus far, but wiIl you promise to go no farther ? WVhy can't you be content with a moderate experiment? See first what can be donec in the King's colonies, and trust to the good sense of the colonial assemblies to follow the example you intend to set them." Helioped the 'right hon. gentleman would make no such concession. Wherever Government should undertake to stop, thi- colonial assemblies wouild fix their limiits. The door of im- provenient after that wouild be shut for ever, and that which he and the country deprecatedl most of all, woHld be then estblished in the colonies--permanent and inextinguishable slavery. Mr. WvATSON TAYLOR felt himself bound, in candour, to begin his observations by saying that in the wvay of pro erty he iras deeply interested in the present discussion, NTot that on that account he was at all inclined to takle a limited and partial iriew of the subject, but thathe felt that he owed great andI awful obliga- tions to the negroes themnselves, who were more immediately inter- ested in it than bimiself. It was und(er these feelings that he had actedI all hi's life long in the management andl protection of the ne-. gross on hi- own estate. If it were wvorth while to trouble the house wvith the'details, be couldI produzce theim, anti prove by unquestion able documents, that in all the orders he hiad sent out to the West Indlies, he had expressed constant rare for the comufortable condition oftenegroes, whether in ag or youth, sickness or health, with repc otheIir odings. tl-rir diat, their clothing, their medicine. rle shoud bujecthifinself,perhaps, to a charge of exageration,if he wvere to state somle inistanc-es of this disposition whbich he had shown. Hie would content himself with stating, that lie bed laid out--he spoke of' thie last eight years-140,000L. nearly 17,0001. a-year upon theans. cross of his estates. Hsekould safely say, therefore, that hewas without. three feelings of a me re proprietor of slaves whil wsh _. t t be charged to the accoutit of those who wvere circumnstanced aas Fie was. Hle a dmitted the revolting nature of that property wvhich had de- volved upon him; itu wa.snot his fault that behad succeeded to it; he mlight have asmuh repugnance to it in the abstract as any other gentlem-an ; but he did claim. this much credit for himself, that. fie had done ral1 thatt he coald contrive for the good of tlse negres; and that he had no other considerat ion of equal weight uipcn his mind in thenusatiagenient of his property during thelast ten years. le had in one instatice remnoved thehouses of a bandaof negroes from the sea coast to a cotisiderable dlistance inland, because of some great in- conveniences which were to be dreaded froui their first situation, not only w-ith regardI to their hiealth, but thteir inorals. On comning down to the iotise this evening, he didl own that he was fearful as to the coUrse about to be taken by Government.. He must have felt tIre greatest difficulty and distress of mninfl at differing fromi hiis right lion,. friend : inut, however painful it tnight hiave been, he. must have donie so had not the course proposed by his riglit hon. friend been rem'arkable for temperance and mioderation, and, as it appearedI to himi, wvell calculated! for the benefit of the coloiiies : the propositions of the- right hon.Secretary had thierefore his most hearty concurrence. He concurred in the large and liberal views takeni by the Governmient. He would'not say that they acted unjustly--he knew thlat they wer-e incapable of it.' He thiought, certainly, that a iiation for whlose benefit and advantage, and under whose laws a great mass of this objectionable property had been coiled into exist- ence, and whio were therefore the responsible authors of the system, might be called upon to do an act of solemni duty in graduallv bringing about its Abrogalion:- but tIme isation w-ould tnot thiink of doing that without ample indemnnifirations. He did inot speak fromi motives of selfish interest. There must always be grebtt difficulty in the treatutent of subjects whicls. depended upon great principles. TIte object now ainiied at was un- questionably good in itself, but the ateainurient of it could not joe. tify the application of im proper and 6ppressive means. Hie did not Cmolo tat any charge could bemade againist the inbabitaists of the coones uponi the general question. Hie, for otie, was prepared to siupport any, meaure of rational, safe, Pand juist measures, which could be proposedI for the emancipation of the blacks. We would tiot dwell upon the coniparative necessity of the case -still less wvould lite detain the housze with any picturres of that -happiness, cheerfulnes, h,ealthi, andI contentment, -whicls he could faithfully' aLver to be displayed fn the condition of some of the property in the islantds_acondition oftchecrfalness,health,andl comf.rt,wtiich was not perhaps so frequently to beseen elsewhere. But as tothechmiag'esmade agansttil Jaaic Aeemby, omealowance should be made. The hous ouht o cosidr tat tey ereplaced inl a situation of mnuch diffculy. Te r.sidnt ropretos sood' imt very diffierent circum- stacesfro thsegenry ho esiedin Egand. There they were ~afld uon o d th duy ofsteard an prtecorsto the prdpcrty of tose ho ere nabed t dicussthequesionat their ease in Great Britain. Here the proprietor asaffrmeryhig but the loss of his property: there theyweeurotdd ih other and more fearful diangersi. They ouaght to be excused for any hasti- ness or warmthi of expression uttered. while. they were -tresmblingly alive to thiose dangers.- The House of' Assembly ;contained in it. mnany, men of high'- legal attaintments, of sound dliscrimiination undI excellent judgment--men. who woud duly apeite the' tempier and moderatirpg of Goverment-who woul 'gladly adopt an n duce others to followr, the example about to be set; and the house and the Governmenit might leave the question safely to the good' sense and 'discretion of: the Asstembly, assutred that the mem- bers of that body would give their full 'aid and assistance to the f'ul- filment of the views and wishes of this hoiuse. - Mr. MANNING justified tliegeneral treatnient and condition of th nego, anid for that purpose read parts'of the evidence pro- duce btfor th palaetaycmittee upon -the abolition -tct.. He defended the colonial assemblies: and in - proof of their bht- mane inclinations towards the negroes) he- cited the ordher made in Grenada, in 1817, by which the electitve frlanchise was- covydt freenegoes Heproed fom hegeatopuatin that theqsavs ut besenealt wel teaed,He howd te allg of attempting to buiY' tip 00,00 egros, hic theXVetidia islands' counitaied, at- an expeseof150millons.Heontedout'the wretched state of St. Do- mino snce'hr volet eanipaion -Not only had the populatioR dwinled.'but th orouce uch oreso. and profitable indt-ustryI still more. The President Boyer issued'a maiiifesto' in: 1822, in 'which, among other grievances with respect to the deficitncy of resources, and the evils ofeureuggling, hn actually complained of the smuggling in- of sugar. Let the house thinik-on the fact of sugar being smuggled into St. Domingo'! And this brought him to aino- ther point.- 1t was easv to recommensl free labour instead of that of' negro slave labour. Where were they to get free negro labbur ? St. Domingo could not-produce it; for in' the last year that island had exported-but between 200 and 300 hogoheads, wheresa there had' been exported frossthance at one timel20,00hogsheads.0fcourtsehe did not meian s deny * hat mani, bf the estates had been convdrted to coffece tud othet csthiv'atiod. He thought the views of- the Govt'n- ment were thperate and raoderate. He was most anxious that the' house should give efiuictto them. At tlic samb time he exectedfrorb the right honourable secretatr a candid sasuraite, that ifMiy mnisclhief should occur in conseqience of the *wasiuras to be -putt it force, -Goviernmnt - would meet the case frarikly, and give conielisation. ': --- - Mr.EVANSthought-th8t the most lat1entahle partof the case was, that theproprie'tors' irtovetl it to be ot tof their power to give. -any agleviation to the condLition of. the slaves. He also thought thet- the argument-of 'the hon. liember for Taunton,'of the negro' slave beingi-anmore comfortable &onditioh thtah fhe lbure' of- iurt Ie, -wasAinfortunate, bbeAtise it was accompamnie4 with n admission That the negroes& were in-thelowest state of moral degradation. Abote ell; there *as -one defect lrr'tlre Trgeuthecitlo'i that sIde which oulda.not' be got Over,._whe e-was the-negr tD obtairt l resin hct5e of- oppression 7-There 'Was1io -evi,dence 0f '4my tuchili hink even i- possibility' T he prtvision, which di eittbptb thsabjqt,-Xefr F uageOr magisrrate the-*power of poAsmshing :thhmbycoip.inpa1t, in 'caec }:n faaeld tomake his charge good, at-dise redbh-'~ Appy Wthat rtnl't -ouxir jre, puhs(ior at *horde. -:V~hatpotsa sdarWouldlOtt gllvit to a mbgat;3t .if lx -any JdXagp f pPtiibn - 'l4ly,t -~~~~~~~~~ I- .: c .u. . -purpose of making an-erperiment fo: the- amieliciration-of the coti t*n of the slaves. One Pant Of hlis proposItiton w-a, thai'the in41 prtion of slav-s into Trinidad should 'Iia effirzili- eIisconti nud.C-rtaittl y-fht motiorn had niot the effect wvhtch ibe; ittent&ed; batt hie witihet to call the attention of the hiouse to this circunJi5sit.-c-_ I that that nmotion had the cffect of keeping Trinidad in such a situa. rtinnt, that nmany subsequent motions, madle by a geatlemL-1 Avihose 1 loaq'the cgountrv hiad to deplore, to obtain for that islandA what wvere Icalled thie blessings of the British conlstitution, buit whiat he (il!r -Calming) called impediments to the amuelioratioti of the slave popu: -lation, uiniformlr f1tiled and to those failures it wa., owing, that -Trinidad( was now io a state, in whichi the expgrimcnt about to be itriedI there by Governmnent wouild be tried alone, at.d iuifattered by aany legislati ve enactmnents. The colurse whicti -Government intend.. ed to pursue with- respect to the island of Trinidad woul4I he~ shown by a reference to an order in Council, which hiad been sent to the local Governmnent of that island,. direct.. inig it to carry- into effect various, regulationg for the ameliora. tion of the state OF the slave population uinder their jurisdiction, fron1 each oif wlAich regulations separately, and fromn the whole of tlieni collectively, the moat sanguine a'ndptionat ofCseeSSful Tesult were entertained. Hle would s tate shlortly, tltortlgh inudetail, the -dif.. ferent regulations% which it was proposed to introduce into the island of Trinidad ; and hie beggedi the house to have ttte goodness to colan. pare what lie -shcutld state of w1lat hadl beeni done with the statement -whichi lie miade last Session of what ought to be done ; and he thought it woutld appear that none of the points uipon wvhich hie had dwelt upon that occasion had beeni iteglectecl by Government. It ivws first chlarged by the ordier in counicil (as it had been the first subject alluded to) by himi in his add tress last session), that the piactice, tinseetnlv as, well isa shocking, of female chiastisement by the whip, shiould 'be abolished. (HeaLr.) It was but ~justice to Say, thiat thiat reg~ulation was also recommended i-n the resoluitions passed by, the XV'est India body in this country during tdie course of last year ; and it was atlso no Morte thlan justice to add, that the coloinias tsied in many instanices attended to the declanition wiciih tile house had made ag;ainst thie practice in quiestion. The ue,tt thing whichi the order incouncil (lid, was to abolishi the use of thfe whip when appliedl to males as a stimulus to labour.-be ii:eant that cruel and degrilding use ot the wvhip whichi placed die labou'ring slave on the same f'ooting with brute animals. Ti"tc h Ouse wouldi easily distinguiishl between the use of the wh-Iip wvheni it was% bran-. diiihtd hi', the 4river over the slave in the fiald, ready to be applied to the brute nerves as an incitenient to labour, and the Use of it as an instrumient of punishment. ( i!car,' hear.) Buit eveni that klis- tincetion wouild, withi respect to femiales, eist no longer. WVith re-. specs to males, the tuse of the whip wouldI stiil be allowedI as an instrumient of punishment unider certain regulations, both w-ithi re- spect to site a-itount of infliction andi with sespecct to the time of in.. fliction, for the house woutld readily, perceive that thle delay oi' thc infliction of punishment for some tiime after the cenirnission of tile off'ence was at myost imiPOTtant CirTCeinstanee. (Hlcar, hear.) It wvas provided thiat witnesses shouitld be present at lthe puniishment of a slave (hear, liear), atd that a record of a-1l punish-. ments shiouldi be kept. by which it miight be ea.-'ily aesrtaine(l what hmd beeii dlone in dIiat restpect ott any particu'lar occasion. Wlitlh all these ~qualilications,the us;eof the whip vas retained as ,tile atio0is at onice raised tdie mnas of' ste negro population ftroit the bnite state to that of mian. ( Fear.) TIo provide thte inaSbs of teltgitttt inl. struction attd worship, was tile object wliicli tt %ass s"ouLlht to tuEtain. That ob;ect teas first itt importanc~e, but it was necessarily next in older to that which lie hadl just alluded to. becauise it was not till tile slave population were raised ini the scale of nature that mieasures icould he takcen to establish that, fronti which alone all rcal hiumani dlignity its well a.s htappiniess could ha derived-namnely, religious in-. tructiu.,n. (Hear, hear.) It was intetided to increase the' anisint and widen thie ba,is of the ecclesiastical establishment in the Wicst Indies. Time ecclesiastical establislinient in the "Vest Indies had beeni fouinded thiere, as it wvere, for thie benefit of the whi te o~ lion attne. lie was not stating this asi a matter of charge, 1, iitdtter if fact. It wilt itow, ihowever, littended to extetitidmd't 5. ty ol'a reli"iotas es-t.blishnitent to the black populati-im alSo.''i F &tabltisnritr~t would, in the first instance, be foittndcd otl thec princi.. ples of tile national chutich, but not to the exclusion of otIher denlnai- inatioits if Christians. The authtorit', andi the discipline wouttd he Iodg1ed-where, according t the -i constituti,ln, it tniist be lodgeMin. thit, national church ; but thier wtotilct lie tino disposition to exeltide Itimie humbler labourers nail,er that authority and dliscip-line. (Hecar.) IWith ireligious woarshinp woutld he coniiiined religitous instruiction. W ithi tile details ott thltt ploint. it was itot his buisiness Ott tie pre-. sent oceasi'tn to trotuble thec huiite,but utndoumbtedly- religious instruc.. lion was atn ohieci of tlte firt-s imprortance. as, the only nienna oft-roder.. itig tice sieve popuitaior capablei of receiving tither benefits and ofap.. prct e thei whetii they did receive thtnm. Andt hiere. agoiin,ie was boti od ustice to tIle \'esE lindia body itt thit country , hr- the. arn ttttthey 'svere as atxiaius for the iiistietutio c-f rellgiolts in.. ssai.t,sthley were foe the abolition of' the purnilinient of fe.. Til i:vs li'te oninio ivhtchtil the Nlvest Ilitthi bodv hiad last (le. hIvErd itt fitvoiir of' re!igiouta instruction, hadl been voluntarily- acted - upon in-,ore ttait one colorny. (hlear, litear.) After rehligiott antd rehgiots nsitteion, ltutktrallyca[ine tile considlerration of thtose cit. rules, of' life whiichi religion smromtoted. The ordler in cotuncil ,trictly crOjoiltCt that the local Onve. nment of TIrilnitiad shelinud sanction anil etlcoura--e Imarriage. (Ihear, hear.) Thlat iti'junctioni aas in iterfect consonanice with the rtcommencdation of the !persons Most -ctrestcd i-. the tcolonices re-sidetnt in ithis country, and it hiad i1m) rc,-eiveil a cindy an-rnt in nitany- of tile colonies-ithcineelves. Urtowittg ovit of' the 'consideration of maitrriage, and ttite other elhari.. ;ice of lifc. ,nd :it tre c to those Cliarili-~s, it, tees providted that in all future sales-h2e f'eared that lie tiusts tnil use that wordl.care sitould be taken not so seplarate faimilies. (hlear, ltear.) in entive ','. bigi slaves froiti otis propierty- to anothier, care would he takecn ini Iul. tutre that hiusbantt atid % ifse, or repiutedi Itushantd anti wilb. and larent and child, sloultil niot he severed Front eachi Pthter,butt should niiitifornihy be takeit together. (IHear.) Ter en"joyment of lie charities ot' life ~ and the influLence of fanmilY ties w-ould naturally biegel: a desire of pTo.. pertv in the riitd of tie shave. lie wvould dteire to be completely secure(I lit tile possesson of' any property whichl he was nit present al.. lowetd to retailt by the force of customn. It was thtrefort- intenided, to cause tite property ol' the- sl!ave, twhticlit v-as tow respected bvyens.. toni, to lie hencefor' th respectedi by late. Tile possessFior of property would crecate the desire Ot bequeathing itint Otthers. It wte, ter. tore. entjoinedl that iteasurtrs should he takcen to secuire to staves thle polwer of beqlueatitingr property at their death. anil it tree also npro- pos,ed to i'otiad an, institution which., irtasn,iteh at it was a. late' in.. ventiton of a country far advanced in civilization, it teould appear singutlar sliotitld it be supposed capable of takiing root in a rud(e so- ciety like that of thle Wes h.Lndies-hc ruteart a hank in wh ich the li ttle saiovtgs of' slaves migtlt be accuniula-ed, with the adcifitiopal atdvanitages sthAt this tie of tlie lea' amid tite over.w-atching ev'e Of pub- lic opintionivtiwttild rontinue htitt in the stnonolested possessiinr (if his tiroltertv until he (lied, lit these itteasures the elave wcotuld ke lifte-d feoim a level with the be.tit Of the licti.6 and take his stand attongt:i the hiutuan race. ebsst.i erectut. al sidera tollere xuiltute." After bestotwing uipont ite slave popnfllationr the etidleari-nents of fit.. niti c:ny t:s and the lblessings or property, it becante necessary to adivert to a suiticct wchichitvIcs suirrouinded w~ith niany prttcticai dli.. ftitiliies-lme mea-nt the qitestioti of the admtissibility of the evidlence of s:atvce itt courts of itastice.. It wouldI be as wildi 'to say that the, evitletice of hilacl;s sliould !T iridis,critiinasel ' acdmittedl itt all case,, a, it would he unjust toi exclutle it in all case's. In tilis couuttry, a pers-on itt the situatioii of ut shave,-he didl not mlean politically, hlttt ttrli' ie alludled to an infaitt, htose irmind, wastuppqos.ud lobe not 'nrln'eiyepanded byag'e-wiwa niot perminitedio give evidencewtith- bc imntrop.er to atitnit thle evidence of blacks without a siisiilar goiarti. This had ledt to thet grave consideration. titat it woailti he emninently tisefiol that tho'e persons who weie to ha% e the instructinig tare 01, thec negroe; should has-s it ini itnir Ilower tot certittx. tint witi respect tii a par-ticuilar cuss in wehichi tite evi4.Fnce o'f a slave ntligltt lie wanted, bitt generally, that mitch and sticlt s,aves had mtade sucel advanecs ini civilization as to he co;'aizant of ithe nature of an oathi. It was aivi;eed that a reitrof slti-h shavcs should he kept, c)nstituting ais it twere a pt ivilegedI class, amid for!ming tihat wasa the spring otif all htutatt aticion., soutnithing like, an object of amnbitioti to their flaltiw slaves. ( IIear, li U.) Lnclcr this, arrangemlentt thie cottpctency of a -.lave to giv'e evidence weoulid riot be judged by- st;hjectitiy huti' to -in exaniittrsion rim ascertain Itis fitness at the itunmeilt a-hen his e-i- tlence was wanted, hIlt it womild be kttown at once wheni a slave ivas tiroinsd as a witness Ont a trial whethier lie teas one of tdat class twhose evihe-we had been certified to be adinissibile. not with respvet to tite partirtil r ease Ont which he was called, bunt in consqequence of his zetteral demitrrnou.(hrr. ( iCier..s It wVit norore tItan doit)g what was. iist to Stnle, that uinder ceutain qttahfications. the evidence of slaves tias al-a~lv admittiued in the courts, of in.tice in tile islantds Of Glrenatda. Kt. V'incent, Tobago. anid St. (Christopher. Onu this q')itit. as On others toi which his. hadl adiverted. miany of' the colonies hind voluntari!y acted' spon thec recoinn'etid:tion of tha%t mocst respect- able snciety, the Al-est Inidias bodyv in this countrv, Ilie wvoulul at thi, part oh li;s address also state. that incons,equence of the recurti- nientiationi of' the iV-est Inidian 6,od.y. several of thi- c,lcnies lund placed ;suci fixci:ities in the wuve of tianutiiissioet 5a'.were cs.tculatcdl to remoive mianty of the comtplaints On thaiit snibject 'I'he questiont Of rntnumtitissioti weas alludeid tit in tiue Order in couincil. titra it Isas die.. tittetle- prescribed, thiat a negro slito has, acquireml sifnicient pTtnotrnv, shiould, tinder certain guards and regulations, be eitiitled to pltircitfase his own freedonm, or that of lilisciwn children. (Hear, livelr.) Ile hadm now,i stazted the generali osithinie of the provisions velticit w-ece itale in itite order tit' cottncil, and l-huich the Goverranmat of Trinidad woild be compelled to enforce for tlie atineliora ioit of tile conditioni of the slave - tepoputitioni of that iulatid. Ile kntaw that Ieitti respect to ithe lasNt poi:tI-itatnely, inattu. miissiont-mtreat prejituhice pirevailed. I-fe was far froim susing thiat it wra. not a ve'ry perplexing qutesti'sn bitt it was ver itot.. ant to kitow that tIlie pratctice already- prev-ailed to a greaf xteut itt St. KNtt's, aitd was also in usage ait 'trinidlad t anti lie felt hound to Say, that no egttlarion ought to be consilcierd a s impracticable. urhn i shuhi apeartha it elirt Itd.even in) a single instance, beelt voltrotacily etfoeced in the colonies. ( H ear. ) I twNas stoi iisl.. ing ow ituct god iilgit b don b tassembling into one paint. antibitgitg tobea to ne ociey, llite beneficial ien'thtttions whih wst catece trouh al tu dffrent colonics. A~.d whilst he amittd onthe ne hnd, hat iteexisitence of those beriefluial regulations was ai answer pregnant anti eloquent to the declamation which liad beeni hcard about the general neglect ant abandonnient of the itegroes by West Indlian societu', he must on the othi,r hand coltenti, that people in this counsrAl, who, on aeccousit of their distance front tite colonies were compelled ta. 'I at the eYes of others, could never zet an authority tbr their proccediagt. as the fart thSt whneL hey wished to recommiiend was already found to be voluntaiuly adoptedf there. (Hcar.) h-e would now recapitulate the objects which Governivcunt proposed to effect vith respect to the 'land of Trinidad :-The abolition of the use of the whip ivith regard to fe- shes entirely; the tiscontitittance of the use of the whip as ap.- plied as a silitulus to males in the field; restrictions on the irtite- tiont of the punishmlent by the hisa; a relig,ious estabhlshiment acd religious instruction ad in order tO give titme for the acquhmioent of that iastrustlon, rith ahohi-ion of the markets and of slave labour an the Sunday; itec enjoyment of ntarriage among the slaves ; the keeping togethler of faihies of slaves; thcI secuting to slaves the emijoyttusist of propet ty, and the right to distribute it at their deatli; the adutliusihihituv of tile evidence of slaves under certain regulations ; and litly, the tight of time slave to purchase his own frerdom or that of his children. These 'ere thme resu'ks whtiilu were proposed to be producet by the order in Council. Stucli was the exanip-le whmicli (Qovecrnnent were disposed to set Witsh respect to the island of Tri. nidad; ax(i it wis hoped that other colonies w'onlul follow that ex- aswpie weien they otutnd that they cotilti do so without tee ap_ prehensiet ol' danger. lie teas altare that with respect to the last point alluded to in the oreler in council-tde right of slaves Lo purchas their own or thc freedom of their childirenv-overn, nietit h:id gone beyond the general asselit of the MItest India bod', whilst thes huid fallen very short of the desires of some persotis. Iicar.) i-e knew very wcll that an hon. gentleman opposite (0r. Uuxton) last year stated that he was disposed to go is siiortr way to (SEE SUPPLEMlNrT.) work tTeAtheir Mlonorolys alCel wer6 showteAng favp akt~6 ~het be~.sP Cti e id-he right M*~.- qn n1ahh~ i tohat tb' re,m rnendatiOn of Parliament to theeolpiae woil ta' a l Ornt~sI6 fromthatwhic ithad in 1797 I' RI?erhad piniglt, If ehdtda Witb doen.lme in she Colonitq, Jlsjhe h6h. meimtebr wtlii'hsdjust sat dibera. HeI culd wish to God'e lad ; buit, utnfortunately, aill Itthe clbra,wni eJes t,J - alnte proprietors, livedl, not snLr tin clWrs'.h lt>i-ad It wns recommendled at that thry time, at eie t in 179 1, Alintere begzan to be a cry tht th hii aelaCee, wheIi the ahould thdstifel ~ ~&c~pilceed,thlat the colorieII terfernce ~ves~bI d~cntts~pi'ltih~ytender stith in. able t the~16rtr~i~l ts II ehiI-ti~'nilsuda nircuflar lettr w~jj~ ddeir~i~ej u~l~a th .~?onatstook sonse efFctul ~~pato csptly~ii. gievncta: hatwerti comnplainecd of, that bohtn~ dFl ~hy wer in uch.deep) apprehension ~OUld~~tsed effet. Butwhat as the .con equenc Witq wet5 oclaor oe h frlernds of abolli- tloa ~ea~~~d,with uter cotempt.their repreaesitations tell the ~ '~ m ies9e scrn.Ss ol be now, anda hen must LOuse ih~erey andsoienciy, tat it !kavi his. dcliber.. ate si'. fi'e~oiidfes~andb beficfan.oD1ni wchasfras it could ha ~ondr&i, hadbeepi ~'fridt t thywr o nthie brisik a precpice,aid f` theyAdid not ta'ke da_e thy dldfnd that the more tev p~used'the'los,a.nergetic, th wed h raterwa b nie. "Iffear, hithatd bweean t y W ihe a g r I . H e r,hra j i ef c a b i n- 'oi~beeni iesoiie that he (Mr. 'Wilber. 'whchba'.~Foii~p 6 0 heirst Indies, li aho .,lt~c.It was an absolute falsehood, hesho .e beahae to h;Ne reason to d:sow, didn~ kuow.'5- -ot acvlestatements flourished nati-- rall in h~ a~osp~K ati oil of slaverv---lid he not know that thos wh esledtlie~~ itt lie an gae teemcurrenci', were onily- not sppeehen llear. Whatwas the.fact ? WVere slave bein ~ eiter~ed ofthe angerthatight arise fromi the thathotic : ma, -acquaintewthhedbes whlich took place in deseouco .Anddid those ho viwed the Stubject as hie did, en- was in rpgt mns hmthe tidings of the change that pat ,d.dPCranl o;btmeetings were heldI in.-every t amie-asefblcswerec convened lie every islatnd of t.e ~`Antillcs, where those measures were canvasned anld thle -t getlanguiage was'utsed..lar.guage w Ichi showed a aisposition get at defiance the auth-ority of this country, andI vhich imputed i te insurreiction, of thec negroe-s to whsat had taken place here:.`Nay, he read in a Mrest India newspaper that the insurrection at Barba.. does, in 1816, w-as produced by the conduct pursued in this coun- try and the paragra ph wenit onL to say, that if thle irisurrection had ne on to itsk full extent, " 'we (the colonists) could not possibly roave -xiitcd." This appeayed in the St. Kitt's newspapr But he wOuld take the islaud.lb Jamaica as a specimien of the whole,.' III every parish of that island mneetings were hield, sad( every one whio took, part in those proceedings, when lie returnedt home natutrally talkedI over the eIvents of the ~ day before his domestic ne'groes. The consequer,2e wassit wa-s vain to deny the fact-that throuegh the 'whole slave population there was one feeling, that somethi'ng esse- tially beneficial was. intended to be done for the negroes, hut that their masters would not allow it. -Such being the case in Jamaica, inch beirig also the case in the othier islands, the negroes were in a sort of tip-toe-expclectation that sometlhing would be done for thent. WVhat, thien, undler these circumstasces, would be the eflbectof prolong-,1 edI delbberation ? 'tVhatwouldbethe feelingzof tbe negroes.whetn they founa that Parliamnent was atalosshlow to proceed?_when they found the King's government and the Secretaryof State (whom they Iup. ned to be so finn and sincere a friend to themn) were at a stand P of fr the consequence would be, thattos people to wi'- the cup of feedo hadbeenofflered-...whs saw it aac nd nlsarln e fore their eves, but from whose lips it was suddlenly and 'unexp)ect- edlly dashed..woold,in despair,take their cause into theirown hands. (Hear, hear.) lHe couild solermnly sav, that the subject of his daily -ond nightlv prayer-tbe hope and d~ie which he felt from the bottom of his souil_was, that suchi an event might never occur. Ha,har. Still it was a consequence which he could not but ap- prehend,hn e a n netmn it wvas Itis duty to state that appehesiop. ( Eear, hear.) Whbat else, he asked, could be expected, 'hen, having approached men in darkness, having adimit- ted the 1; ieht of dlay to break upon the glomn of their situiation, you flow 81'.ddenly withdrawi the boon, anid consign them to darkness- -agair, ? (Hecar, liear.) Wlhatever Parliat-nenitldid, he advised them_ toto it quickly and firmlv. Let them not proceed slowly; e te )mot tamnper with, the feelitigs and passions which had been excited. (I-lear, hear.) Certainlv he could not conceive how it was possible for a few Years to pass over without serious distairbances in the colo- nies, Unless Parliament actedI with that prompDtness, that spirit, and that temper, which wouldI prove that they had this ques-. tion really at heart. Let every man appeal to itjtmself, to his owvn experience, to his owin feelings, for the truth of the position wvhich hie (Mr. WVilberforce) had laidj down. Did nlot every one know, that misfortune was rnuch inore easily borne when no e6frt bed been -made to remove or alleviate it, than wvhen mneans, which ultinmatel7, provedI unsuccessful, excited monmentary hope in the breast csC the suffierer ? WVas'not his anguiishi rrdou- bled ? W.s not V,`s minetry rendered nearly insupportable ? Whien hope was once s'illered to beamn upon the heart, did it not set the 'whole mian t*ii a fever ? And when the object of that hope was deferred or destroyed, was no' a feelling of desperation often manifesAted ?Let the hiouse reflect on that dIreadIful convul- siona, the Frenich revolution. 'Was it not by trifling with the hope andi fears; of the people of France, 'th,at ,that ho.rrible. ex- plosonwa produced? Aan let them con_enplate thie scenes which had occurred at St. Domingo. The right hionouirable secre- tary mnust be too well informed not to kniow thie real c-ause of the mi'schief theme.The real cause was, that the French Conventioni 'were continiua'lv trifling with the hopes and fears of those whio were most inte.ested'anid most intiMately connected 'With that colony. They teand yoiitical power and authority to thie colonists, and took them away again, ever, he believed, to thie third timne. This fte,tirent roused their intlignation ; and at last the population took sip) armns. 'rhey tookc their cause into their own hands ; and they all icnewg what the event was. He disavowed, for Isiimself, any "in- pleasant consequence that might result from what was recom- mnended by his riUght honourable friend ; for whlatever his riglit ho- nourable. triend meat (and he knew he mearnt well)-wbatever his riht hon.urable fr)endi intended (and hewas cute hisintentions were good"),the shortest wvould, he was sure, be considlered the best way of acmlishing his object, both by the master anid slave on the othier side of the Atlantic. At present, however, the course he pointed ouit was dilatory and circuitous, instead of being promnpt and direct. It was said that the dangers to whichi he alluded, that the slisturbarice;; at which he pointed, were never to be apprehended, except as consequences of such discussions as the presetst. The fact wax. entirely the other way. There never hadl been so few insur- xectier,s%, during an equial ueriod, as had broken out since he and his friends had calledI the attention of the hiouse to the stubject. There were dangerous insurrections in 1760, 1761i, 1767, 1795, and so indeed he miight go on, almiost continually, until the subject was seriously investizated. Besides those greater insur. rections, there were anytn other ofalocal nature, arising frotai discon- tent and dissatisfaetion o~n particular estates. That thi's had not been the case for many years past, was a sufficeient refutation of the asser- tion to which be had adverted. Could, his right hon. friend conceive it pssile hatthoe wo hd eoerence in those matters couild hopetha th leisltiv asembiesin the other colonies would adop th moel e pacedbefre hem inproortion to the success of te cYpenmnt? f a exprimet wee mde at all, it should be trid uderth mot fvorabecicmmstnces.and lie would maintain that is rght on. fiendwas boutto introduce it under cir- currstances temost unfavoatrable that couldbheimag-ined. For his Q1vn pr,feigtait was about to be trietl under such unfavour.. able crueacs e o his friends and himself, nmustdlecline rest- ing terceonteise. It was, he averred, by no means a fair trial ofthepein. He was alwiays glail wheni the slave wazs 'benefittdt n xet whatever, he was happy to see anyv attemapt -made to amloaetercndition, andl he was quite certain that hiis1 honourable friettd was sncere in his desire to effect that object ; hut much as his right. lion, frend expected from his plan, lieefeared that it would not be productive of good to the extent he proposed. So far as Trinidad was coqecerned, there was onie consideration to wrhich his right honourable friend had not adverted. WVhen' lie spoke of allowingz the slave to purchase his own freedom, or that of his rhildren, he did not state that this iwas the Spanish law.- That was, however, the fact. But he (Mr. Wilbetfoice) aiever heard that this ermissions was ftreltuently acte on rt,a t had been iimitated by oher colonies; u hrfr he coudnt expect so muchl~ora the eperimentas.shia right hon.friend did. His right hon. friend honed that he shiould be ahlehto inzduce the other Be-itish colonies to follow this example; But let hin, look to the conduct of all the to- lonial assemnbliea with respect to the abolition of the slave trade, and then cor-saider whether thay were likely to follow, of their own at-. cord, any examsple for the .%melioration of slavery which might be recommended to them. The larnguageused fortmgrly, when the aboli.. tion of the slave tradle was under consideration, was a-s bold as that ,which wast used, at present : hut it had not the effet of paralyzing the efforts of-Parliament; on the contrary, the firmness of PaLrha.. Tnent prevailed, and-the colonists.were obliged to gubrmit to the albo- lition of that hateful triadic.. -H did- not, however, cell on the house to adopt any strong language;..bu6 be asked of them to take their measures prudently -and temperately-in the tone and spirit of the resolutions of last Year. l1e -Implored them noiit to be dete-rred from taking the just and virttous. course by the vain attem)pts 'that ,were made bo excite- their- apptehensions-by paying Ptttentions to those variogs warnings,- iehich were del uotem,lmeomust say5in a most anxeeinly manner by the colonial assemblies. . What wase Mr. Burke'gt feeling vrith respect to the colonies ? He never entertained a doubt relative to the right which Parliomentpossesseato interfere with their internal policy. Lle stated what he conceived ought to he adopted, anid wish a wisdlom which he(M.Wilberfirc. doubt. edat the time, for he was then young and foolish, compared w-it -what hie was-,now (tmuch laughter), 'out which he had since fuly' clcmowedgd..ths grat an howed the necessity of acting deciivel an expicity Je.aad-"I much distruist the value of anygenralpricipe ithuteme odebywhich it may be en- fored. Sub'wre r. urk's end~s;and yet thQse who adotedthm .in.th prsen -nstncewee vie,wed by the houseas aget f entusiats, ho, ished to aalvsne to tOcir end'- farter than they ought to do. Again, what was the opinion of .i)lr. Dundas? He was a- issan of practical good oeneed He was nothing jof a theorist, bpt a man of plain,practi. cal, xood old Scotch uMacer3tasiding. -(Hear, and laughter.,) Ile was another of-sh.m meen -who would not be deterred frm.lhis .object by such mttertents.as. were resorted to-now3 and he spoke out plainly, on the subjece Mr. -Burk,e In proposing ertain Tegulations by which he hoped to acco r,lasch) 4rs. plas with vspect to. thp colonies, said-(4he wished his r -ri t boo. friend would recollect, and Wei tehentimens-j Sit', I have seen >all. tbAt las. been d4tee by the colonial asterablies.. -aMi it -is -arrant -tr'ming, . for wanit of all xeutory'l prisecipl" oneBut,-the)e were nowsl exYpecte4 -to adopt of milde yton, ina the bpte that -the coloniel. o asqmnbes .isould pass come anrreliorati*herowas. Thiahiad-been donebefore,.ana thoe, swteo framed the-lagsefhsforxotthemtbcm. A chief pipe of Jamaica halie had a J lav pimsvil bywhieh it' was proposed to svo a efrd ofinorde to the suTrgco0A;oC Osey testte fnorhei.n oneys.cBtaIit . ntimoer of' slaves diadzduting the year,wlan remwrd.of'al:toecvery-.0vej5re~ md1,6 oceomplished-stceitsd m qua-reAity ofr bWorkwithoutroipry ite6ursen to evertro.7 Thneewuwxrwnere, pr4pomted to:begenp atftnd piOiner i?hp qu iry, - -aui t whein;s one-cliid,plaenter, wza-s asatexl by ItheG iov'erimp~oe- th at d ay- to sta wthe d~crease!rlr inereaze. of :n,qgr e4 o4 Iliseta, s answered, thsetth6tws!nr es-node, ofacprWiming tie, ot' dott the ntspe ren ldlm khfCroit Assembli l of Jas i believedjagreedtoala%V4and puitthcmxelvp~josoeepn,i de tos romst refigiousingtraceton for the nfgroe t i n power of libe nmasterilthe .time.,of-tle rslavo-boingmsrpry o-rvn him from dirivlmmgny,beneit,fromi -the rggsainas n{ee1 s , w hexnt sis, iyly , e;r- >s,Oe7 hfbthebsught "er w dcel1omao dsfftheet mesie. kt'hstaintiebt1 of the &*t'd o6jeei~q f M~p~e t ei le twas not lnoMs6ibld t4 ttamrt1t s ueia~ "point of view as8 ordiiia IQa them,*sithout belibgkAwar~ Of tl'att,tlbo, sanction IL. But whd,~'they- disapprovedxof,boiQW 'ihleans lartl-~jend, lhow couldl PUM[fliament hope that aruv'Ii~Ne "l-s,usituizae could have a Successfbll issue?9 Oni the ~ontr-d, those plieties wouild resist it to thle OtiliOst. If they prevailed, -thev would attilbute their succcess to the strong grouxn they had taketn ad matters would becoine worse than ever they_were. They mulisnt not conceeal from thetm- geIv6s 'that s;eaa tlhe practical ltoint -arlssne. -ft was sinmply-sthis_.-. wihcther the *lavc systemn should be put an .end tqt by the Imperial Legislatu~e Or by tlie*colonial assemnblies. He-coiftsebded that if~ was.-impbs-tible iJ1is -c6uld be eftbcted by - the co'loriial asse-is blies: j t -most" hh done. by the- linperiil I Parliament, or- not *done, at all. (H:ear, bear.) -By 6ndeavouring' to~ effect, this objgc('in any othr way thywr iting- iriitriniun and -they mig4t, pcrhap~, fedl the iffecta of' ehit despiiir whichi all ivould la- ment whien too Ilate;-wl-5ile they'vainlv wishied that the.y had adopted another end a more direct 'course. fle'would not' propose. such a law u5 Mlr. Barke or M.Dutid~a.desired but tsieie were various othier means by which they might aeccmtnpli?h their purpose wvith equal certainty, and which the parties.-cordcernedl would, perhaps, ho ready to accord to themn, and thuaxto, fall in, with Atheir mufentions and.meet their desires. P'orit ought-to be.o.served,thate-verkpro. Position vwh cli w,as elntertainedi on. this subject, -was not niereilV for the benefit of the slave, but of the master aloo., W6uld it not, he. asked, be inifinitely better for the miaster to reimove that irritation of mi-ind which prevailed ~morigst tho ne'groer at present, by :ptom ptig joining withi the lcgislature in some effectual amnelioz~aton of their Istate, instead of perpetuating ill-will and discontent? W lould it not be mre eneicil fr hiim to be surroundted by a faithful bodly of men,madefaitfulby Ihis kindness,' aid feeling an interest in his welare thntobeconstantl a prey to jealousy and suspicion? If he nceallweda nw e-nd wei-founrooed hope to, enter the bos;oms of thoe por rooe, rattude and devotioreto his -interest-wauld soont be th mos prevlentfeelingr amongst themn. By prsun anqui- vocalcours, the woud he mnade shiore sensible of ter falncon- I dtio..~ coditon,in which hope did not, Could hot, exist-a con- diton,inwhih teymust ever be strangers to the noblest feeling of huma na'uce-hatfeeling which woula enable tliem- to say, "1 We may, by our own industry and setivity, arrive at affluencee and ho. flour-we may, byour own assiduity and integr5ty, comimand respect and richisi."1 Situated as they now were.,they knew no suchi sentiment- they felt thlemsel,ves tube aslegraded race-s,. painful truth, of 0'ich the declarnti3ns ofitheir ma.sters ,to-ooften remindedthiemi.-He,for one-, viewed siuch astate of things as extremely dangerous. It oughitas speedily as possible to be altered ; andl therefore it was that he press- edi those considerations en the liouse. (Hear.) Every eff'ort should be used to remov'e doubt from the minds of the negroes, by raking a Iclear and intelligible course, whiich wouldl not only be beneficial to the interTeSt of humanitv, but conduci'-e to the wealth andl prosperity. of the Country. Beforei he sat down, he could not avoid exprcasshig hIs astonishment at the assertion of ttiei hoiourable gentlemnan .(Ak. Ells) as to the whip never being, used as an incentive- to laobour. It might sometimes he withdrawn fromn public view, but it was neiverthieless in 'general use throughout thie. whole' of the islands. This was a fact which he had never heard do. nied, except by the honostrable m-ember, anid one other gentleman. Mr. Bryant, inIihis book, alludled to the practice in these words :- "VWien a young man goes out to the IVest Indies, full of life anid wiithi little experience, hi6 sees, with feelings of astonishment, whips, wielded by drivers, who are niot the most gentle of the human kind." He (1r. WVilberforce) recollected to hear a mnan state, thiat, in pass- ing Barbadoes,, he went near enouszh so see t1he negrbes, at WOrk, andl thle driver Isehind them, keeping theam in a line at their labour. Ile also remembered asiking a planter a question relative to the slaves being obligetd to run with loads oni their headIs; and hie was, inform- ed thlat If they did not run thiev were wipp' ed. In short, hle nee hicard the fact deniedl before.vWith respect to) thle customn of braniding, he lied formnerly insisted on its beingz dis. gcontinued, not on account of tshe pain, but of the degradation. It hadl been said, thiat this practice wa;% solely confined to African negroesI but this was not the case. The aewspaper whichl he held in liis hand contained three advertisemients, relating4 to Creoles, who were thus branded : one of themn described, " Sam, a young Creole, marked J. All. on the left shoulder.' and the others were coucuied in similar tennos. In conclusioni, thchonourable membercalled ontlise hiouse, acting as it seas for the ha;ppiness of the commu nity, to Con- rider mnaturely the bestnmode of effecting the great objectws'nich was intruited tn their care. (Hear,bhear.) Mlr. K. DOUGLAS expressed his regret that the honourable gentleman (Mr. Buxton) had not, in coiiforniity with ties adlvice and example of his right honourable friendl (Mr.' Canning), abstained fromn all irritating topics. Insteadl of thiat, he had gcone back to thle year 1795, and cited a nuimber of eases which could not produce any healing effect. The lion, gentleman theni briefly argued, that the colonial assemblies were niost anxious for the welfare of the slaves. It was, he observed, very proiper that the legislature should take this subject into titeir most serious consideration ; and he couldI assgure the house, that the parties interested felt a sincere desire that it should be fairly aind teniperately discussed. Alr. BARING said, he had little hope that he shouild be able to conismand the attention of the houise, after the beatutiful speech of the hon. member for 'Ira'mber, whose speeches were: always calcu- late ti t produ;e a pow rfleect. In this instance. 'that ho- n'ourable member ha imrsed very strongly on the hiouse, t-i~e idea wh-Iichi he (Mr. 'Baring) entertained in comamon withi hmasto " the immninent state" of the preasenlt questioni. The,~ co.untry couild not halt betwee,n two opinionis on tiuis siubject. In justice to the poor creatures whose situation they n'ishetl to ameliorate on the one side, and in justice to the plan- ters, whio had so muuchi at stake on thte other, that house could n,o longer sit still. Neither could ;t allow itself to be borne about. ats it liad been at oRe time, in obedience to the WVest India interests, and, at another, in deference to the opiniion of that party, which, for shortness, he would call " The Saints." (Laughter.) 'His honiour.- able friendl (Mr. WViliperforce) was not, lie thought, so sinicere in his statements as was usnial with him ; for at one moment he told the house that those disrussioos had no effect in the West Indies and the next he stated, that if the nlanters did not talk of those things before their tdomestic slaves, th'ey wouldl remain un- known. But it was clear that they could not ha talk-ed of, fte w.ere not first discussed hiere. Whylat else did his baot, friend say?P He stated that they were on the brink ofzaprecipice-that the negroes in thec islands had hopesheldouttothem,andJ werenow waitiugon thie tip-toe`of expectation for the fultlient of those hopes. Now,he wishied to know whether their hopes were not founded on thoase very de- bates? ('a,, hear.) e believed there was astate of feeling on the artof hisunhappy people that rendered it impossible for theiii and their masters to remain together on their present terms. Onie need not go to Jamaica, or to any other WVest India island, to know that fact. It depended on a principle inhe~renit in humian nzature, and muost always exist. Ile therefore would press on the Govemment thle necessity of devising someproper means f'orallayingthis irritation, by ameliorating the con4itioq of tht slaves, if the planters had not the kindness to undertake the teask thiemselves. The rosimes hitherto pursued wvas not very erell calculatetl to prtodue that effect. Go- vernment had sent ouit the moat sing~ular instructions that were ever known in the lworld. The speech of a- membier of Pasrliameint, deli- vered in that house, was despatched to the Governors of the colo- nies as the rule by which their actions were to he guided. One of his 31aiesty's Secretaries of State announced this proceeding titus- ." I seisd you herewith a speech delivered by Air. 0anning in the House of CJommens, by which yea will be pleased to regulate your eonduct." He had lieard'that speech delivered, as he had heard the SPeech Of the present evening, and he was bound to say that lie must be a clever governor whoa could know how to regulate lI'a conduct by it. These hloor creatures evidenitly hiad their mintis excitedl by the sanguine expectation 6f some ramoured benefit; and indeed it w-as quite impossible, fromi what hadl occuirred, bu't that mustbhethe case. rThevwere, however, d~isappointedt,and seineedis-; turbance broke out at Demerara.- This, of 'course, gave Miitr an Opportunity of saying, " We went 5i or 6,,000 men snore to send out to the colonies to shoot these unlbrtunste creatures." Such was the situation of the colonies-such the situation of those persons, thos iunder thie sanction of the legislature, hadl invested large proper- tein the WVest Indies. All at once, however, a new light broke in upon them : it was discovered that the system teas one which ought ties to he tolerated. He did not mean so blamne those who held such opinions, lHe thought the counitry anti mankind 'were indebted to them fof the destruction of that most odioiss traffic in slaves, and also for the great improvement which they effected in the condition of those who were unifortunately ina satate of slavery. But individuals who had miade the 'removal of slavery the great oh- ject of thieir lives--who were comlpletely bound up v;itli that ques-I tion were very likely, to cairy their reformrs beyond tbe bounds of prudence, a.nd even of- practicability. The question was, whether they had not catried their idleas too far ? Admitting, to the fall ex- tent, all the benefits that might arise from their re'forms, he would as whether there was not a point at which it wasliecessarv to stop ? If there were not such a point, then, of necessity, the legislature Maust go with them. -Let them, however, decide the- ques. tbo. ; lot them not stand in a sort of neuitral position, be- tween one party and the other, leaving, in the mean time, property of every description, and to a great amount, in a situation of' evi- aeirt risk a-nd hazar4. One of the parties to -this question hadl taken it up veyenretly. He knew not by what name to call them-. per aps " the atiti-slavery society'~ ol nwr They had rais-edl large subscriptions; and were its the habit of sending- theie eYnissariesabos't to disturb every market-town in the kingdom. (Hear,hear.) He spoke this frora experience,-as the psracdcrg-,was adopted ia the borough which -he represanteth. On a mnarket-Aay, the country people were asked, "w iould they not vote against sla- very ?" Sadie of thei pamphlets of the society were plgace in their hands- and they wege mold many dreadful-stories of women who were peggedi down to the grosiaid and~ beaten.- Thfesestories, hiowever, wer.e exaggerated facts. (Hear). Ele would- explain himself. These coiuld be no doubt that dreadful horrors wereperpetrrited-some time ago int the. County of Hertfora: that'-was an iandisputed fa6t. Buit'if every ose a tested to thoseceircumnstances for the purpose of giving a-gene- - ral view of the feelings, of the countryh a - statement so:extremely exaggerated wouldbe nearly asbad a lflit were entirely false, He had little to do with the IVest Indies ; but he would-say, that thoee reprsenttion of ffaiitbee, wsh hich -tow13vniS inuindated,. werefals. (Har.)- Al theevi Oneo thig subjeetwas liable to grea supicon.lIehad o tonbbuthathis hon. friend had brought himslf t tht pich,thathe ouldnotbelieve a word fresh a' In- ter'sot a hite aui' mout hut hat e.would at ouc set dowvnI lected travelling in Amrca with Al1. Rochefoucault and an-ijiiivi-. duail who told'amany improbable Waes, Al. -focefourailit asked himn how'-it happened that he had- so- many extraoidinary siri "Ohi !" said he, "-whenever I hear any thing- woin4erfisl, I pever asIc any -question about it, lest ithe effect shiouls ba de!r6oye4. if'tfie truthi were known." (A lauigh;) It-was thims,-hiefeared, *i(lt 4is hoh. frisnd, Who was not sufficiently -acute in his inqjuiries... I f patmp.ar- tial inquiry were made. from, persons, who, - without, - irsterest, went throughi the colonies and investigated facts,. he beei~ved 4tiat - person, would be able tae State._wh%t.it, Was fnpprLin-tjr the house to ktio'w, isamel~'Zeat from one 'end of the -countij. to the oether 7'it. Was dFluged -,ith~ exag-geration.(hexi.)-. Thai svas kife' qg$8tion at Iissue. ;Ift"there-ws ssit~h :state of -aborninv4oiiooM hlud been rep;c-. sentedd it wts not lit that even a vestigeo ~tho systemn should .be ial.- lois'edto ret-lt. - On. th-e point., thle house sanc tbe - Ga,ernnmest 'otsht )s~cealedso ele -utlsst'mindN; pil i'f.the thot~he- 'tie. Pteople at las'ge lhad bdesu imiposed-on, they otight to 'ekp6ge th6 &eepfiona. Arid he objected, notbssly ;to, telsex3gxar4tiot~of th*' 'TIest Indidw stories: (the ho'issurable raember..continued), bit to~ 'the. etbsfIel ep)etition -'which the' 'coisntr- had 6f. themn,- TAd' bounic~, really., could riot be- very j5iefol bit ix s-wt did ~ot - afflord -,a. greater - aridty Tieq wps. t.h ,.nanme of Hp~ioss,foi' stsance; -ina the. A,A oiK-c ievac,Wi ~ pletl~ wrn Ot: e never-remnembero a ogb4~ze,tupoz% sl6mia44 omwhh'tat stameis larl not, benVardce - i efrs- p~ety~~li*e ad tht stte of society upon our d4sa kilau deulwit jtisstheiset''Walkltha: we-west -able,, INd A ie~a~db-ohb-' e~oertelyd Weur bui,itwp od 'work, slid to enact the emancipation of a paxticulir nsce-,ef slaves. He0 (Mr. Canning) bad turned that subje-qt jAll%is mindi with the mno"t Painful anxiety; and he felt bounrPl4i .4gclare, that with the 'Oit sincere des-ire to come to a qtflustlse most convincing -to hlmisalf~ and most favourable to t16lasWilTumanity, be couild' Slot COIteur in the hon. mem ber's rliisidt. lf it werecarried.into ciefect it wouldI be prd.cieoft 11eriteat injury, not only to the whlite' POpuilation. but also to the ,pln s thentselves. (ilr. Buxton S5t Observred across the table, thfat he otly proposed to emancip4te the tlliLldren of the existing.sle.ves..) The lnon. member was not dis. '04t to emanciplate the existing-~eneration of slaves Certainly nut. n Itt in thetfulI light of f;ee-dom upon eyes scarLely loosened from thCl scales of bondage, wulId indeed be going too far. The negro wouldl view the freed.im which wa? presenitedt to him as an unirt- struCted infant vi-twed objects of desire, witbotot the possiilitfiy of "'kulating th'. distunce wbich sieparated, it from, thiem. (Hear.) Re lelived, tha%t it would be extremiely unwise to hold out the hope -oematnmpation to the next genieration of negroes. It could do' no good, and it would only cieate dissatisfaction in the minds of the etiting race. To them it would rendec present exsistence intolerable, Sue the expectation ot'the future asubject of regret. WVouldit not begalhinl to te varent to know, -hat hli's childl was destined to enl oy eietimable blessing of lib6rty, for which he himselfmutsg in vain ? (Hear.) The course w'sich Government proposed to pur- sue was much wiser, viewedl with reference to the operation of moral cause-namrelK, to maTte the parent the instrumnent of the emanci- Pationa of his child, if he had the powver, and chose to exercise it, of givingz freedom to his offspring. (Elcr.) If the rising generation Shou(ld he taken under the special protection of thje legislaturce in the wa6y Whioh the honourable member proposed, parents woula look UPOn their children withi feelinAs, he would not say of envy, but w~hich womuld be any thing but those which .pa~rents ought to 'entertain. By the course which Government hfad Prescribed, free. lionts when it dlid ccom'e, would come, a-s every sgood thing ill' this WOrld did come to humnan nature, by ?lidcavourn honest and seC1scr- fr-1*, and by laborious exertio'is-.-,)iud fadilem esse viam. Tishe di?. flculww'isl'1 -which great objertS were attained wasl the best correc- fiveL of ambitious desires. lie was fvlly persuaded thzt fireadoniA, when acquired under {bhe regulations prescribed by Governmnent, would be a safer and a more stable pleasure, than if, i-t were the gift of a sudden Chact-nent.. They must tleai with the negro as with a pOero possessing sense, but the sense only of an infan dnf, before hie. was prepared for the enjoyment of ivell-regulated liberty, to turn him wild in thre feiAness of his phyaicalstrengths,'In the' nmturity ofhIis physieal passions, and in thte infancy- of hiis uninstrLucted reason, wou.a bet to imnitate thie maRn who was described in the romance which had been published sOmea time back, who constructed a human torm with limbs of maore than hnortal mould, inro which he infused passions and strength whlich was to it only the power of doing mischief; but being unable tnl imapart to it a soul, hie found that he hadi crested only a savage tat fromn which he~himseef recoiledI with horror. (Hear, hear.) tha.t wouldi be the effect of sudden andi unprerared emancipation. Ilie therefore would proceed gradually, becautr,e he would proceed oafely. He knew thiat there were those who agreed with him in opinion, but went beyondI him in hiis enthiusiasm, and who said that his plan wouldarequire time. Tak-e titn0!-~to be suire it would-to be sure it should-..to he sure it muit. What ! had they to deatl with acreation of veterday.-with a thing which had, grow~n up in thei-r re--- whc they had wat~hed the growth, measured the extent. ascv.'+tned the mnearni of managing? No ; tkey had to deal ;ie-n a tV:Vwhich was of the gowth bf centuries, and tens of ccu- turies-..ns.uh was alihost corl with thaDeluge-which had existed, under nhore or IessmiodifieationA, since man wau man. (Hear, hear.) Did they, in the fulness of the'r passion for legislation, thi'nk that after only 3O years' discussion, they could now managethe most unmianageable perhaps of all subjects ? (Hear.) It was ne- esayto proceed gradually to remedy the evils of slavery, Mandto watch with 'an anxious yet patient eVe the progress ,of the experiment from beginning to eoil. This led hiim to observe, that the system which he had brought under the consideration of the house wrould be applied in the island of St. Lucia as well as in the island of Trinidad, withi this exception-that in the Ilatter cae the niiachiinerv by wghich it would be appliedl wouldI be Spanish, anti in the former -i wvould he Frencb. It wasq als6 in. tended that the systemn shouild be subsequently applied to Demierara. He roight be asked what effect the measures wlhich Government hatl adopted would have on the other West fOsian islandls which hadl received the communication of the wishes of Parliament in a spirit which was certainly any thing butonociliatory. (Hear, hear.) Mie might be called uipon to state what would be' his mode of dealing 'with them, and how he would bring tem to second his views. If it were possible, on a suhbc ivlngsmay important cansea.uences, to) nourish a feeling of irritation at the manner in which the Olovernment, and snore particularly himself as a member of that Government, had been treated by some of the W1est lidian islands, he might hiave a des-ire to -resrt to some- .thing like mneasures of vengjeance. But he entertained no such feeling-he shiouldI think it most unwise to do so. (Hear, bear.) In theebullition of spirit,tfor hewouldclall it nothing more, which had ta-kenplace onthe other side of the water. he saw much to condemn, something to excuse, nothing to puinish. (Rlear, hqear.) There were three poasible modles in which Parliament mnight deal with the assembly of the island of Jamaica-firsit, it might crush them by, the application of direct force ; secondly, it might ha. rasm them by legislative enactments respecting fiscal and navigation regulations and thirdly. it might mark its, disoleasure by a silent course of aAmonition. iHe was for trying the last of these mode5 fircst he hoped he should never have occasion to try the second; aiqd with respect to the first, be wotuld onlv say that it must be a ques. tion of real necessity, and not one arising out of a feeling of wound. ed pride, which would induce-hims toarront-The question of the tra-ns. cendent powers of Parliament over every part of the emnpire. (Hear.) That was aquest,ion which ought to bekeptbhack within the peoe. traeiia of the constitution, tobe brought forward onlv whben it was el6cessary to oppose, as it wrere, the uilague ofinsurrection. It wouild be verv easy to select, from the files, of the Jamaica Gazette, passages, whichi ought, according to all legitimate inference, to put Parliament in a most towering passion. (A Laugh.) Bait lie must confess, that upon considering the subject, his rising indignation was calmned bv reflecting how Powerless the body was that offered the insult, and how omnipotent the body was to wliomv the insiult wasq offered. (flear.] The consciousness of strength disarmed vengeance, end he might say with the g-reat momsl poet- if ,Quos ego-Sed niotos prwstat Loimponere fluctus."1 Ifthere were any gentlemnan in the Jamaica lHouse of Assmibly whbe had determined within himself to establish his Popularity by op. posng what he would call the encroachments of the mother country, and had begn to prepare hnimself for the task, by conning over thec speeches of Washington and Franklin-if there were any -youn8 statesman of Jamaica who had thus worked himself into this state of desperation, he would he disappointed of an opportunity for the display ofhis poLtriotic ardour. (Laughter.) Parliament wouldact .wisely'v by teiling the people in theWest Indian isglands, " You shall have no cause of complaint; if you will be angry, it shall be on the colonial question ; and if you rebel, it shall be in behalf of the use of the whip." That would be beat way to stp the eloquence of the patriots of Jwaniaca. If Parliamentrdidunot2ad fuel to the flaie, the fire itself would soon go out. When the refractory co- lonies shoul(i comne to know that it was not the intention of ;Uovernment to send out commissioners to control thiem, or an army to overawe them, lie had no dloubt that the spirit whichl b'ad been s-tirred up there wouild subside, and that they would con. sidex with calmness, an(I ultimatelv adopt the regulatiOn.- whichi Government intended to enforce in the islIa'nd of Triniclad and othes place. Indeed, when the situation of the WVest Indian islands was consideredl, with St. Dominoo on one side, and Colombia on thE other, antil suroundled by Trinidad, St. Lticia,%, and Demerara, il was impossible that they could long resist the example whic h was held up to them of ameliorating the condition of the slave population, So tar from Giovernment entertaining any hostile feeling towar,1s Ja. xnaica, it proposed thiat that island should esipecially part;cipate ir the advantage of the new ecclesiastical establishment whiich weas t be sect to the XVest Indies. It was determined that that establish. ment should be dlividedI between the islandI of Jamnaica andE the 1Lee. ward Islands ; eachi bdng made the residence of a, see. Thne nev ecclesia-stical establishment wouldi not be atteniled with any demant on t-he finances of the islandis. He vould not trouble thie hiouse wit', a detail of the expenses of the niew establishmet,t hut would COAten himse.lf with stating that those explenses would iti the first five year: 'be defrayed out of the interest of the sumi whichlilIai rig,ht hon fTiend the Chancellor of sue Excheqluer h:ad aninounced his intentiot -of appropriating to the b'uildingz of churcesi. It would pirobably bi -some years be fore any part of that sum would he einployed for' thu pur-poses for which 'it would be voted ; and during that timi the interest upon it could he applied to defray t-he expensi -of the ceccesiastical establishment in the WVest ladies. Anu when the musey began tn be applied to the builiding of churches,thi expeniditure woutld be gradual, anid therefore the diminution of in. terest would be gradiual. But when no support for theNVest Inidiar ecclesiasticsl establishment cuuld be longer derived from the su t ,be set apart for the building of churches, Parliament would bu '~aved the neeessit.y of making any new grant by the gracions re. -solution of his Majesty to abstain fromi anY lArther distribution of the .li !arbadoes duties, in order that that fund might be devoted to thz maintenance of the new eccle-siastical establishment. Having hbee much more desirous of putting the house in possession of the prir. ciples on which Govermrent had acted, and of the Plans which thiey had formed, than of stirring up angryv feelings, and exciting the passions, he would abstain entirely fr6M all general reflections on the very inteyesting and Painulu toPic to which the attention ol the country' an of t e colonies was thorouglifv awaken. ed. He would conjure those gentlemnen who might be ex. peeL.ed to take at part in the discussion of the question from me. elves of personal interest, a,, well as those who miight be expected Ic -take a part, in it from motives which wvere dearer 'to themn than any considerations of Interest could be to abstain from an cnflict in thal house by which the fortunes and lives of a large cass of his a ietv's subjects in the colonies would be put in jepardy. (Hear. _ra. h debates in tlhat house were sead with the dieepest in.' er. he eooIessand the effectwhich any unguarded expressiotm5 w~s'~4rouce n th black population there, coutld only be known by tdae ho, romlivig onthespot, were Sensible of the ajinaton hih te dffrene o clour produced in the two clases f te posesatin. e beged gentlemen to consider thatit as avx3ec owbcitasIMPOssible for any degree of eloqunce o beextdwihsces Members of thate touse wh sver conectu wtn Fraoll lho I wall v involved in the U'est Indiarn colonies, would not allow themsclves to be carried away by the exaggerated statements which might produce great efltet under different circumstances It was impossible to eAect any ameliora. tion ofthe condition of the slave,exceptthrough the means of the plan. ter. Tostirup discontentbetween theimi would raise a flame which could only be extinguished in blood. (diear.) ' fany measure should be proposed for the amelioration of the conditton of the slave population in the colonies in a spirit of moderation, Govern- ment wrould willingly give it its support. He would not detain the house by entering into any further details. respecting the mea. suits wbich Government had adopted, and neither vrould he sin against hia own preceptby diverginig into general observitiona. There was, however,conneeted with that state from which Government waN endeavouring to rescue so Lirge a portion of their fellow-.creatures, the consideration of the inhurnaq traffic by which they twere brought intO their present condition, and for the total abolition of wvhich, as far as regarded this country and her colonies, the frientds of humani. wy were indebted tothe exertions of thelhon.gentleman opposite (Mr. Wilberforcee. He was perfectly convinced that the slave-trade was entirely abolished with respect to oux colonies. Re knew that other 'persons entertained a different opinion; buit having made the most 5nxlois inqulfiestDi the subject, he fett himicfpe`pirtly conpetent t,1 sa, thtwith respc to the British 'West I-ndia islands, 'the prhb'itio agin teintroduction of slaves was effectoaUy aid credl observed. (Hear, heAr.) But it was perf'ectly ~true that-the introduction of slaves into foreign colonies coptinued tO an enormous eXtenL. (Hear.) All the efibrts of' this country to procure the active co-qperation of other Powers to pat in enLd to the traffic in slaves had been ineffectual. Among the plans whichL had bee stug gested for the PurPose of putting a stop) to thlat horrible traf- fie, it wras adveise fbat all persozns gsiltk of slave-trading should-be obnoxious to captuxre, not onlv b th e vessels of their own country, but by those df every other PoVer-in other words, that the slave- trade should be declared p'rac. A god dedl df misapprehension, luewev4ir, prevailedI upon this p'oint. Irt wits supposed at the Codngress of Verona, that it -was coTmpetent for an assemb ly of sovereigns to deClare the slavei-trade a piratical offience, and thereby to mnake the individuials engaged in it amenable to national law. This was a complete mistake. E-nglandl was the last country in the world to admit that any congress of- soverei,.zn could constitute a law, univer- sal in its operation, on states which had niot been a party tomit (Rear, hear.) The oRly way, then, that seeimed tQ '6c left fog efFect- ing thie desired objcc.was for each state ti tieclaje sl~ve-tradlng tobe a piratical act, and( liable to the t_-is Iitinishiments as what in Eng- land was called ,statata.-ye -iracy The British Government had also promose' t th Governments of the Unitedl States and France, 'that they should give by treaty the right of mutual Visist and rearch in cases of suspected piracy ; but th~e house would not be surprised, considering the many sere points of maritime la* and national pride which such a~ooiinms touchi, that it was not very warmly received, ay Franceitwas meat jected altogethier but hie was happy, to inform the house, that not many days sincc a treaty bad been signed by thie ambassador of the United States on the part of his country, and by him- (M1r. Canning) on the part of this countr which author~ized a veasel of either nation to detain that of theot?iewr if it should be detec.ted in carrying en the traffic in slaves ; provided, however, tia't bothi cou=iri-s shall hiave established the same sanction Iwith reispect to the nature of the crirne. (Hear, hear.) Tile United States hadl by lay, cast the penalty of piracy noon the American slave trade. fle (Mr.Cannhng), pursuing the same prin- cipie, meant to niove for leave to bring in a bill, to change the pu.- nishmeut already provided for British subjects3 eonvictedt of the crime, into piracy (hear, hear) - andl to render that alteration com- plete, as a preimiiiary to the ratification and adoption elf thaV contdi- tion and agreement by wliith Amherica and GrTeat riMtain had de- termined to act against the -slave tt'adle, not only'each of their own, but each of the othier nation. (Hear', hear.) This was not the time nor the oppo-tunitty toeerter intopmnexplanation of theadetails of. the armangements entered into between Great Britain and the United States. Those who recollected the great and insur- mountable difficulties which had hitherto obstructed the completion. of any definitive arrangements.betweenthiemaritime power-sof' these Goveirnments, must rejoice to find that in this instance they were eventisaUyadIjusted; therewere on bothsides pointsofdlignityreserv.. ed, boundaries of maritime law unbroken, matters kept open for re- vision and reconsideration upon other occasions ; bet upon the ques- tion of the slaive trade, the powers were muitually complete-they were defined, ample, and eJectual. Each had reserved the admi- pistration of its own national lAw For the punishmenit of its own Rub- jects, though the captuire of eithier was to be commonl to both. fHear, hear.) For instance, if an Amnierican ship should capture a Britiish slave-tradier, (and God forbid she should not, if such an onearul et founpo whar),. she wvas to remit the captured vessel to the eaeq hhpo aro'ter owni iation, or to her nearest na- tive maritime p'rt. for final adiudlication. Eachicountrybhadby this arrangmn saved for herselt the administration of her own laws, andaodd the difficulty of confounding international jurispru- dItree. lie trusted that ihe realization of this arrangemient would not be the terminiation of its benefits; for whien Europe saw the two greatest maritime nations in tse world so far compromnise their ma- ritime pride, and act together far the accomnplishm-ent of such a pur- pose, they must feel that in the futture discussions for the universal abolition of the slave trade, the united remonstrance of such powers would receive no mnall force, andl form, antt character, in bringing others to t'hink with them upon thie necessity of coming to a com- mon understanding, to support that true, virtuous, and beneficent confederac y, for the total abolition of the slave-tirade. (Rear.) He thanked the house for the patience with which they had 'heard himn, and concluded by moving for leave to bring in a bill for the m1orCe eafctualsuippression of the African slave-traide. (Lolid cheers.) *On the qiestionnbeingput from thechair-. Mr. FOWELT, BUXTO~N rose to express his cordial support of one part of tile rigistlhon,ourablegeentleman's speech, whilst he had to regret, to another, and be believed the moreimiportant part,he was under thiepainf'ul nece-ssityvof giving his mostdecided opposAi. tion. Intleed, when he was thus called upon to discuss over again what lie hadl hoped had alreadly been concluded, he felt that a sub. ject was unforitinately and impoliticly re-opened, which he had ex. pce,until this night, svas tertninated fbr all ages so come. He knewtrie difficulties nuider whichi be laboure-d in following the bril. lie-t, but in miany Darts most dexterouxs speech of the right hon. gentlemnan; bu t his seinse of dluty in!posed upon himn thepainful task. however inadlequaLte he admitted he was to fulfil whrt7 he hatl un- derta'ken. Last session the Govemnment lhad formally taken thie West India slave-tradc unuder its own especial consideratflon. with Positive and specific pledge that it wa.i expedient to adopt decisive measures for the amelioration of the slave poplhation. Thiey bac resolved, flemin coe*radiceate, 1 '~hst it is expedint to adopi effectualt and decisive naeeasreq for ameliorating thie conditin the slave population in his Majesty's colonies. Thiat, through a dc. terasined and persevering, hut at the same time judleiotisand tem-perate (load cries of "BRear, " fom tl) ppwosite 6enelsesiy e (orcemiefit of such measures, this house looks If6iward to a progres. rive improvement in the character of the slave population, suchl as mnay prepare themn for a participation in three civil rights and pri. vileges which are eisjoyed by other classes of hiis Majesty's subjects. That this house is'anxious for the accomsDiehimentoftbispurpos( at the earliest period that shall be compatible with the well-being o. the slaves, themselves, withi the safety of the colonies, anid with fair and equitable cossideration oF the interests of private property.' (Rteiterated cries of"1 Hear," from the opposite beniches.) Such wa, the pledge which Parliament lhad given upon the suibject, and wha had been the result ? Tlhen it would, perhatis, be said, that th, colonial legislative bodies would not consent to the recommends. tion of the British Government. WVhat was the right hon. gentle. man's own dleclaration on that point? He said, " I think they will; but if they do not, we have: a right to expect that they will g iv their reasomis unequiivocally, and that any resistance which should partake of the appearance of contumacy would certainly make ottil a case which wonid bring hsis Majesty',s Ministers again into Parlia. ment to consider what further proceedlings they would cetinsel foi the adloption of the Crown." First, then, the fesolution of lasi session was a general one-it pledged the legislature to an umeli. oration of mdl the slaves in all the countries, there were no reser. vations or distinctions--..no grades of' comparison with reference it whiich islandl was better or worse. Sutch being the pledge, the next question was, hadl it beeni fulfilled? ~ for if it hiad, then there was atr end to the present r-onsideration..they wyere debarred from furihet interference. If, however, the pledge, thiough not directly aban. doned, wa.s softened ldowni, andI lere a little, and thete alittle taken away; and if the am-elioration, insteadl of being fot all tlie colonies, was to be only for a part, and even inl those partially and iitdeefi. lifeity applical, then the pledige was9 altogether incomnplete; for the lieof man lMight pass away without one step being taken to proimotE the end which itaci been so solemiily determfined upon. Wirpu't did they meani by leaving the quiestion f-or a gradual measutee....lor thE lIgt of resvn ? (Cries of " Hear, " from the betisehes opposite.] WVhat lie mnitnt wasi that if they were to leave the matter for tthe lighit of reason,after iorfeiting their pledgd,thiey might wait for 10 cen. tories before the amelior-atiomi would be accomrplished. Hle was boundl to complain that the Government had dleparted fromi its pledge toa islave population of 700,'000 human being,s-a pledge not expressly given in woras, but a tacit virtual uniaerstaniding, and therefort the more sacred, anid one whichi ought to be pArticularly in. violable, w'lien those in whose behalf it ought tu be enforced had not the power of complaimit.(ea. No man apporoved more than he - Id of the order in council, the zeneral principles of ushiichi (wliat. ever were its, details) were souindl anl just. So far as that order in council wenit, and so far only, lie adlinittedl the pledge liaZ been faithfully fulfilled. Hle entreatedI the indalgeisce of thi Ihouse whilst he endeavoured to folloss the right hon. gen. tlemain thirough some of the leading Doint-s of his speech. The first point wvas that wvhich related to the fioggimig of femnale.slaves. anid which, according- to the proposed arrangement, was, lie waw - shocked to find, notwvithistanding the general reprobation it bad re. reivedl, to be continued in 99 out of 100 parts of the slave popula. tion. Hie must protest against this arriingement. LIfe knew how he exposed Ihims-elf to the reproaches of his opponents when he tools this c-ourse; let teien ring tenfold against bin more than they had done, still he stood committed, and sihould perform his duty by straight forward steadly course, "crome what, come mamy," ratbem thaii parchase a base indeminity by desqerting the cause which hi had pledged himself to promote. (H4ear, hear.) What wouild be said of hi~m were lie c-apable of such desertion ? Would he hot be iold. "you have begun itis cause; o knew at the oniset its besettiu~ difticlties ; better had it b~een ta't you"hfsid not stirred, rather that to have obtaned aeeg hc a only imade to be'abandoned. which was only cacltdt xiehpes, and then level them with the dust? (Hear, er)fo C ano reconcile with that pledge thist cutting downoftebnitrm the whole archipelago to one single isl1and ?"Astelw oudta,a female slave might be stretched pson theerhl n pesddw bY four negroes, whiilsi a fifti tt?ed, the car-hpuonhrnk d vbd. True it was that this outrage was t eaoihdi lrndd The right hoe). gen. tleman had mosteounldscbdth moral scale of imn. provement throg whc tee iunhappy people haditc pass before they wer ulfe for the ensjoyment of civil. ized peivil ege; butintecs of these wretched females. could they I ope for one ste tars iioral amnelioration, thun exposed lnm at state oftr nkdestthe vile infliction of the lash ? Could they htope, uneruc ani ordeal, to find the young Negre chste.inoutest, reservd n decent in her deportment, as bug s sh wasliable to te paifl revolting, degrading, and shamlessexpoureof her person une the lash of tier tormnentor ? (Hear, bear.) hebad, indeed, be told of the licentiousnemssaf thes unhppy ensaes, and asked,sc being the fact, bow was it posibe t risethir1 sudd-nlv intoasteofmrlipvmnt Headmitted it was imosbe oln ste dospatc fig guig was psrseveredin(erher;adetntwh.tdjite positive baseness of th rcie hywerenwt ei ihol a ri,habolitio-nofth wer.t commnewtap~lto wher .. . ... i" - -- Or t.W othuer Smlall places 'e!~~~ an fnally inDEeneraya andI Berbice, eavig alot unaffected dieclselaergeirnpopulatipo of. 700,000 slavesF. Te nght hon. gent. udidindeed ind uie considerable hopes that their wishes and views respecting slavery would be adopted by the West India planters. Fromn what part of the colonies did he collect the psrobability, that titers was any thing like a chance of any thing like a measure being adopted calculated to realize any such' op heseemedftoanticipate? HowhadtheprOpositiontoremovetheea, L whip been received at Jamaira ? In a tone of wounded feelings-lof [supposed injury-of exasperated majesty. How had it been recivei at Barbadoes, whichi boasted of a supe'rior class of proprietor , possess. ing more of English feeling, fro'si a netrihurywc h slua tios, habits, and noanners shmen? Had they not read Ir. Hamnden'a speec'a at Barbadocs ? And he begged to speak in some degree of commendation of that speech,fr in some pases it breahej telser avwedprinipls, nd cnveed hem n aton markets-he was fauorAlle to the ihanuniii n looaae but when he, came to thle queotiort of flogginifiernio slaveai,"he seemed to bisyc last all hi-i timper and tallied of ? otd *adthfrst as a., man whlo was. an eikeniy to the cOlon iss a-ad thie iictini of - Af4flA5imafeiling. in fact' Mr. Hamden jokted on the subject of fe1n alkloggan-htalke o th6 black ladies having a tetndency tti&ai'ofAmatonm,. and thlat their hu-sbands would be aextrecl,42&re if they were put beyond the reach of the bartiobip." Thiejo)ceenigltbeverygood, but,- as he wouild -oresently showr, thee argument'svea_y.#rptchcd. But it had been more than once broadly insifiaieid, that 'fernale, slaves were not flogged in the West Indies. Har C611trsdicted that.'asier6 tion ad chall enged any mtail to denty the iflag1t1it-?'acfi He 6atk'-e. ferredanto the West India niewspapers for$lhe 5t*5lf.or seven years, anud the iD~tandes of- inflictinig this pnuihneiHolOl U In -females wtae frequent 4nd notorioug. flo woald rea om.o these cases; -The first was the case of Mlr. Huggins, (not the siteorious -case of that name) in 1817, at Mivis. Hle, oni one ce Ta flg,ged -two male slaves, and le-arning that. two female usla6g'~lid: ha,el .t*miesad the pnnllhmnentwere observed tocry-notin iidst1biekisea,nr u in a natural tone, for that seas distinctly affimdio dhy the'bystandeir.q. this Huggins said, "1Brimg ouit the ladies4;'Iand hb then, in thelpre. sence of the men, had them flogged, andittdrtied outthlatoneofthem was the sister of one of the males whb 'had b~en flogg ed, and that the punishment at which she had cried' lia'abee-n iinflicted by the hand of his father: this agency was at the 'linte, he believed, unlin- tentional. The next was the celebraied case -6f the Negress Ame- ric, a Brbie,whih hd eenofen ustd.Theclrgyan(Mr. the unismentof te whp, ad he woods ma state teo hiorrid for desciptin sh hadbeenfloged nked On all parts 'of cth body, andbeng t he im i a tae o pegancy, had miscarried from thetorure Sh ha reeivd ld ashes from drivers whio stood at each sidle of' her to inflict them, and then haJ fourteen days' further punishment' in thte stocks. 'There was another flaet mentioned by Colonel' Arthur, at Honduras, when a female, after being screwed dDwsi in a position'of gr&at tor, ture, was barbarously and wantonly flogged until het wotunds be- came so festered fromn forced exposure to the sun, as to endanger her life,' and for tbis.offence the easeor wtas fined 501.- Jamaica cur- .rency, about 351. sterling. l.Tonduas itt 1821, there was another 'case of a femnale,named )Fleggy, whd,owa-~supp6sition of having iade ,away with'a hgndkerchief5'w~a flogged aid aWerwars confine-d in a contagious hole filled with 'ierxntriin ' gn isn itos, -fionywhlch she mnade her escape, hut ntas veetaten anS exposed 'td the samte putnishiment again. (Hear, her. Jila obj6ct in reciting thlese disgustfng casies was to hw that the praictice of ifoggin females was notorious and well-rune-his argument wras,' that it oughit to be universally abolishe fro its manifest and inevitable tendency to debasement, lie hated the practice, first, from its ne- cessary effect upon the brutal perpetrator of the punishment ;2dMy, fromn its cruelty to the wretched sufferer ; and 3drly, because it ob- viouslv kept down all promise of iimprovement, and defiled the imo- rals of bothparries. The cart,vwhip, in fact, and moral improve- Mlent were utterly incompatfible--they must have eithier one or the other exclu8ively, for both couild not exists together. (Hlear.) Look at its effect, acebrding to) ?llr. Hamden's description of the sense entertained for it by the ng"~h,brs r adni nti resecteiter ruy o fasal'apsesented. If he were tine in hisq statemnent, that the ri-ales would regret the removal of thig siort ef punishment from their wives, see the dreadful nioral degradlation and state of moral turpitude inito which these slave husbands must leave fidlen, whien! they made such an avowal. Now all sense of moral feeling must h.ve been extracted from the human miind, whien a man could declare his regret that his wvife or mothecr, child, or sistr, houd h exept romtheodious and painful degradation. (Her, ear) I itwer fase,the itshoed owdangerous it was to depnd tooth inormtin rid o b lcaly aqured by.the plan- ters. 'ithee wasone imisutatiowihhdbe cast upon theabolitionists, whichi out of the hoiuse he could not meet, butwithin, these walls be should be surpristd to hear ut- tered. It wvas, that he and those who thougght writh himi had embarked in wild and extravas'ant theories for colonial le- gislation. (Cries of 1 Hcsr" froin the benches opposite.) Let the cliarge be openily made, and it should be openilv and explicitly met. (Hfear, hiear.) Let it be brought forsvard a'rticle by article, andI particular by ilarticilar, let themi take this very case or female flogging. [lad the oppouietts of the practice outrun either the feel- ingst Of thaLt house or the country upon that linishment Certainly not, for bsth the right hon. gent. and the hiouse called for its cessa- tion ; they liad, given a pledge to rescue thve female ditve fromi the cart-whiip of the driver. He would now proceed to the righit hon. gent.'s second point.-.the uic of the whip as applied to mnale slaves,to stimulate therntolabour.Tse West Indiri plaiiters denied that the whip wasbornd liar the puirpose ofbeing such a stimnulus i hidw could that de-: nial be reconciled with theirreluctance to abolish the practice or'bear- ing it? An hon. member who was the reputed author of a pamphlet nthis question, said,"1 that the whip is to else managing driver ottne mace is to the Ser~eant-at_Arms cf the House of Commons (a laugh), and that it was just as rational, and precisiely as true, to assert that the Sergeant-at-Arms carried that mace for' the purpose of knockinig the heads of mnenibets asi they entered thie liouse, as to say that [he manazing drivers cai'ried slie w'li- to stimutlate the la. hour of the slaves." But how could he reconril'e this statedeieti with theaccunt whch e rad n te cloial newspapers ? fn thiese victms erepalablyde~ribd; heirseas, nd he ositions of them wee dtaied;andin ne eara 'ien w o 'ooed over forhit(fo li culdpote~aiuethm all him4elf) discovered were a mere symnbol of office, andhdeo a Ifhrj rhem-hi nant ~wcn~oe~iyud cco the slave population ?(Cries'of "No.") He woulasay "e, a4d that until these few dlays, he did not believe that a pratc rvie Ofstamping ther names ofowvners. and their estauteswih otrn upon the bodies of these unthappy people. He 'woutld give the fol- lowing descriptions of run?%ways andisales fes;nthe IVest India Papers :-" Betart wbo hodi the letters M1. K. anti 1. 0. uPon Iaer right'sho'ulder, togrether i4'ith ~several other letters not equally plain, uplon her breast." "Peter, mdrilred with a cw, andl the letters A. S. R._ 0. N. P. 1. L. EI. (alargh) on is breast." The prevalence of this brutal practice could not .be denled. fie admiftted that no respectable proprietor would set so, but it was an undouibted face that many others of inferior character were less s9crupulous. The next point to which he would 'advert was that respcting religious worship, and the diffuision of celigious instruc- tin lnte propriety of that difflusidn.he eptirely concurred - but he hoped hie was ftrong in suipposing, that the mi%aloharie4 'and dis- seters, were to be placerd unider thie control and directidn oif tIle church establishmnent, If they were, he anjticipated, bD-h here and in the WVest Indies, insurm-oiintable obstacles to that sutbjection. The missionaries would never fall, in that reuq)ect, into the -views of the established church. The next point related tothemarriage oftlheslaves ; andl there lie saw no difficulty in cayrrying into effectthieproposed ar- rangement. Wish resipect to the acquisitio of iireerty, heapprovedlof the arrangement which gite~ the&ldce o0flawt te prrevious validit~y of custtnii. TIhe next point related to the redeptiont of rnegro evi- dence ; and on that he must say, that so refUse the evihnene of ne- groes was to refuse to the whole of the negro population she protet- tion of the law. In the whole population there were about 50,000 whites among 700,000 blacks ; so that if the former were equially scatteredl over. tie Asurface of the colonies, they would stand in the rattio of otue to fourteen bitt t)ey Pere so. situlatea tha't th-ey didl not Tesitle hti the proportion of I so 100 on the same spqt wits the blacks. The3' were assembled in towns, and these individualU were thinly scattered over large tracks of country. So that nothiug coulri ise easier than so commit the most heinous crim-ce upon a blackz, and for thiecrimninal to screen himfsclffrom pinishmnent. Awhite man might avail himself of the absence ata particular momnent'of another white man, and perpetrate aniyvengeanceupon anegm whose fellowvslaves, in their incapacitv to give evidence, wouldI be I aft withotit redress. Now letthiem take thiecas;eofT'Ihurtell. Thsat individual wasecm- victe,l of a niostatroriousymurder by achaiin of circumstantial evi- dence, of wlhidhi aL link asai at one mornept deemed wanting, It was, howev'er, subsequently furmished,-by ad mitigheedncofa accomplice, and the ends of justive were thus acconipiished hv means whiich, untier the proposedI system, could never be rendered effctive us the WVet Indies. Suppose, for instance, that such a murder had taken place in somie of those islands, that a dleficieincv in she chain of evidence lhad been discovered there, similar to that whirls hail re- cently taken pla1ce heres and that the only person whio could sutpply the link had been a negro. A-s the law stow existed, that ne- gro'si evidence could not be received, and the party accusedI must thierefore escape, not because he was preuveli so tie itnnocent, but because the law would not admit such evidence as would prove him to be guilty. He couild prove, by the evi- deuce of the planters themselves, that crime oftenl went unpunished in tse WVest Indies1, owing to this very circumstance In a report miade by the two hioises of Greslada upon this subject, is was ex- pressly stated that, great difficulty often Arose ftm thie inadmissibi- lity of slaves as evidence..-that artfuil iiidividuals took adyantage of it tqocomosit acss of open injustice in the presence of slaves, and that they often escaped punishmnent, though guilty, because their guiilt cou'ld only be proved by negro witnesses, lie couild quiote the testi. mony of M1r. Chief Justice Otley, of Mr. WVylie, andA of Sir W. Yoting, to the sanie 06i 1- I V.oting, in one of his dispatches toshe Government at home,T ha .d said , . jijsbments of slaecs, e- companied by circtimstances of great atrocity, have beeni reported to' me, which for reasons that I could give, have never been visite with the iuaicialcasgtigation whiclrthey mierit." He woula not trouble the hou6e with the whole of Sir W. VounK's de-spatch. There wras, hiowever, one sentence in it so very applicable to the presenit argu- ment, chtat he could not, on any account, consent to overlook it. The sentence to which he allude'd was shlort, but at thle same time express'ive. "t I think," says Sir IV. Young, " that the slave, by la, has no protection whatever." If that wvere the ease, and it really appeared to him to be no over-stAsement, be would ask what was the reason of it ? The rmasn given by tit; eolonial advocates was, thatthenegro wasso ignorant onaipoints ofreligidosa~,,l,ation,snd was so totlally regardless of the sanctity of an oath, that I it ls ito- rallY impo4slble to Put any reliance upn his testimony. If thifs were reallY so, then had the colonialuegislatures acted in a very strange and inconsi;stent manner4 for the very same clause wilien, enacted that the negro should not be reee'svedi as evidence against a white~ermuedhi to e recivedas evidence against a black. areardof rut wee sffcient to disqualify him as at witnss aaint th one suely tought to he c-onsidered as suficint o dsqulif hit a awitness against the other. It as,inded,mareloslystrngeto reject him as an evi- denc whre nlya sillng f awhite man's ~ oronertv was in jeopardy, a-id' ye-t ito admit him- as an evid ence where the very life of a negro wass at stake. He would ask, however, was the negro to regardless of tnrth as he had been represented? He cared not in which way the question was answered. If he was not, it was monstrous to dcny him the protection of the lawon account of his no- torious falsehood; if he was, the fact disclosel. the banefal nature of 'lavery, and afforded another proof-it. indeed, any were wanted-that the moral perceptions of men were.more thnsn half destroyed at the moment he was reduced to the condidodi of a slave. It likewise be- trayedthce incensistency between the pi'ofe'asions and the practice ol the colonial legislatures. The people.of tAis country had been foi rears past told that the colonial legislittares had taken aU possibhf measares to improve the moral and re l;i ous habiSs of the slave po- pulation, and yet they were now bre,ughs- to confess, that aRer atf their great and manifoldexertions, 'the sl;ave wasin practice 6o de- moralixed that he could not he . placc d ipoll .a level even witt such degraded wretchesas a Probe rt or it Hurnt. .({Bear.} One o two things the house must atpressseit ad- tit. It mtisteitheredniit tha the evidence of bie negrot was in. proper' Iy rejected,:or that slaver' produced a nwost lemnoralizingeff ecctpe kn the characer ofplit.d According to. the pledge which i.t had al rcgd7given, $1gtbQuse unus ack-owld:c-tbt te tstimny f save~ o&h~to be received, or it mutst abstab'rfromall fututre &mcomiums upon ttheir moralcondition and hpitPie-5s ; it mustsay that slaverytrookawaY from anthe"1 os sub- fivie"which etatuxe luidgiven him.-that it frbadhkn"crlum tuee"- thatitproDhibitedhiim from raisisighis c6untenance to Heaven"ceredto: ad eidera tolcere dultus"-thsat 1i compelled a'i1M to lirdbate aie hiuTa- -ble anddo,wn,cast Iohof the brute crea_tion-that i.t s'hut him out of she.pakof humanity--and that it mnade him an unworthy's and dle. grded'rtenrnt of the noble frame of mlan. (Hear.) He now came tothat part of the right honottrable gentleman's Igroposition wbich 'related to the writ of venditlozdi cxpoa,e. Wiatever mnight be said for other parts of the system, nothing could be said for this ; it was -too atroceous to admit of defenace, for it cut asunlder, with the most unrelenting barbaLrity, all the ties of consanguinity w. d affection, and rendered tho,se passions whiich were bestowed on man by -natu-re, as thp sources -sif his sw,eetest enjoyment, the sources of ihis -most excruciatinig misery. The master, it was well known, couild sell his slave ; so also could th,e tax-gatherer. He could ad. duice several instanrces, if it were necessary, of slaves having been sold by the tax-gatherer to defray his3 demnands upon their master's .property. The -creditors of the master could also seize upon the slave and sell him for the discharcge of his euaater's debts. Lastly, thne master himself might. die, and his property be divided between his heirs ; one of them might, choose to take the wife and children, -hnd the other mighit choose to take the father of a famnily. Tie' recent trials at Demerara had furnishedl him withi an. instance exactly in point on this part of the subject. In August last-(for lie pre. ferred recent instances to those of more remnote dLate, and had all along rdferred to tlerem-in August last, there was a mnan slave on an e7state called Clonbrookt, whose mnae was Billy. This man had livedl with one womnan as his wife for 19 years,andhiaa by herafamily of 13 children. The proprietor of the estate, a Mr. Rodder, died, and his two sons divided isis rroperty. They separated. thechildren;-, they took the slave from h is wife; anid, as anl aggmavation to Isis dis- tresses, placed him on a different estate, and threatenea. to flog hiim, if he ever went from it to see -his wife or chiildren. That wasi not all the suffering which this pa6r man had to endure . he found that he was advertised for sale, and he coul-d not tell whethier he might niot be sold to a master who lived at a very considerable distance fr-om his former place of residenice. The day fixed for hiis sale was the 27th of August. The insurrectionn broke OuIL on the 18th, and the house would not be surprised at hearingIthat this slave did what anly man ofecominon feelinig woiiddo, unider sisiailat cirerimstaxnces-.. he join ed the isisurrection ; and when .the last despatehes left De- meiara, he was hanging in chains at C4eo-rg towvn, as an expiation for his offence. (H4ear, hea-r.) It was wonderful that a system whiich tended to -the production of so muchi misery should ever have been sanctioned in c0olonies govenmed by English law; but it was stil mnore wonderfulthat itshould beallowLedto continue after it hadact:tallypro- dlucedsucltacataL-tr,ophe ashe had describe-d, andlafter all its fatal con. sequences were clearly exuiose4t to the view of the puiblic. He knew that in the house ther'e would at present be overwhelming majorities against any alterations being made in it: but lie also knew that in the country there would he an -irfesistible hostility to any measures whiich, tended to prolong the continuance of it. (flear, her)He likewise knew that the peoFple of England, with that galn and generous spirit which always led thieni to take the patof the desolate and oppressed, would not allow the pledgce whic had been given last session for the amelioration of the conditissi of the slaves in all thecir coloniest to be fritte-red down to a mere partial ameliora- tion of their condition in the island of Trinidad. (Hlear.) The people of England, if he had any knowledge of their character,would set that somethiing effective was done in fulfilment of a pledge so publicly and so sacredly given ; -he would not say that they would insist on the imimediate emancipation of the slaves-(that was a point for which lie had never cor.tended, andi for which he believed that jio per-on had yet contended; for imnmedliate eman- cipation would be worse than their present condition, not. - only for the master, but for the slavre himself) ;-.-but they wvouldI insist on the house taking such stepsi as at some periDd, and that no a*~rv remote one, would lead to the extinction of slaer itef. (Hear.) He was not unfriendly to the! planter's-- Mise oe Coateg, who hiad been for some ttine asinoying all the gnlmni Iiis immediate neighbourhoo-d by indecent comnmentson the several speakers, here called out in a loud tone of voice-" I do not believe it," f'lstough,for somne cause or other which he couldl not explain,he hadiben so represented: he had always said, " Compensation to the planters-emrancipation to the chilidren of the slaves." The remarks which he lhad felt himself called upon to offer that night to the lhouse had not been prompte by any feeings of hostility, re- senitment, or interest. I-lostility to the planters he had never felt; reseotmnetit for their opposition he had never experienced ; and ir- terest to gratify lie had none, except so much as each inidivicleal had in th#general interestsof hurmanity. It would givelhim the greatest dlelight, if bv some means or otlher a plan could be devised which woduld give liberty to the slatve wvithout hiurting the feelings or injuritig thec property o'fthe planter. ("1Hear, hear;" and an exclamnation from Romeo Coates of" T? deny it.") IMr. C. R. E LIAS observed, that no argument had been advanced since the last discuission upon this subject, whichi had disposed hime to retract any opinions which he had 'then expressed in', approbation of the measure's vhichi had been submittedi to the colonial legisla- tuires. Perlhaps he should nothave adtheredI so confidently to those opinions, had they rested only upon his own ludpment;- but they wvere formed in concert -with many gentlemnen intimiately connected wvith tthe We-st Indies, and deeply acquainted with the hafsits and character of thjeir slave population,amon.g whom were several practi- eal men of busgines,s, who had for miany years been engaged in the management of large slave plantations, and who wvere thus possess- ed oftliatlocal knowrledge and informantion which was best calculated tojfbrm a correct -and prudent judgment- These gentlemen hzad con- cursedl in thinking, that there were several -mieasures which. were well calculated to promote the initerests of the slave population; those measures they comimunicated to the Government at housee they then recorrnmeided themi to the adorptiona of the colonial leglQatures abroad, and he had yet to learn thut they had not been eminently successful whien ther were carried into executio-.The hon. gentleman who had preceded himi had referred to something which lie had said on a former occasion re-specting the u-se of the whip in the field. lie did not mean to deny that he had then said that the whigi was used as a symibol of office, but he rmot affirin that he had never saiid that it was used as its ornamsent. (Hear.) ti-e had like- wise said that the whip was not used as a stimuilus to labour. The lionourable gerntleman thought to convict him of inaccuracy on this point, because he had found several advertisemnents of the sale of slaves, in which their whip-markrs were particulxrly specified. The honourable gentleimain seeimedi however, to hiave forgotten that when he said the whip) was not used as a stimulus to labour, he had niot staid that it was not used as an instruiment of'punishmnent. He would not pretend to say that those whip-marks, on which the bonourable gentleman restedl with so much triumph, were not inflicted either by the owner oftlie plantation or by the overseer, or by the magistrate, or by some authority emanating from theni. Inideed, he had no 'doubt that, even tfwte the present order of council should have been carried itito full effect in the island of Trinidad, the hon. grent. inight come down to the house and again show advertisements, describing the scars which the whip had left oFi the persons of of- fending slaves. WVith regard to the marks with which the slaves were biranided, he would acknowlerlge that it ffas one of the barba- rous marks of slavery which he could wish to see abolished. These marks were originally branded upon slaves newly imnported. Now he believed that whena the ahlohitior, of the slave-trade put an endi to the importation of slaves, it also put an end to that practice; and it was his opinioti that no sucds mark could at present be found upon any Creole t~irroes. Mlr. B{JXTON iititinated to the hon. member across the table. that his inforrfiation led himn to belie-re that aloinaot every negro had, bne or more of those, m-arks. Air. C. R. ELJIAS aeni repeated his belief that none of the Creole negroes were marked as the hon. member had represented. Indeed, as fernas his own experience' went, which was, however, li- mitedI toJaaica, he could positively assert that the fact was not as the lion. membier hadl stated itL He then proceeded to observe upon the relutive situation of master and slaves, but miany of his observations were unintelligible in the gallery, owing to the manner in whichi lie droppecl his voice at thie conclussion of each sentence. Fornperly, he said. masters could calculate with great certainty upon the fidelity of thleir slayes. When he was in JTamaica, his house, of wvhichi thedoor was never shut either night or day, wras situate in a plantation whiere he kept 1,OOO negroes at works. Ac that time he e:,tertained no alarin for his security ; he knew that he COuIld keep his door open in perfect safety ; but hie would not say that he oauld cIa 150 at p esent. Upon the causes which hiad produiced such a change in th%re feelings of the negroes towards their masters, he woald not offer a single observation ; it was enough to say that the chanke was most unifortuniate on many accounts, and patrticularly so, as it formed a great impediment to any future improvements in the con- dition of the negro. The lhonourable gentlemnan, in his observations on that subject, had paid him several compliments at the expsenseof his'"brother planter,. Mfr. BUXTON'.-'No, no such tliring. Mr. C. IL ELLJIS wras glad to hear the lion. gentleman'a dis- claimer, as lhe could not-have accepted thec cormpliment, had it beeni giveis on the terms, itrhieh he had supposed. But as the honourable memiber was inclined to admit in other wlantens the existence of the same good qualities wliich hie (Mlr. ~uxton) had kindly at- tributed to him (Air Ellis' it reuslered it unnecessary for him to entef into ainy defen;e of &cir general conduct. He wvould there- fore agai repeat, that the unfortunate change which had taken place in the feings of the negr-oes towards their maste-rs wa-s peculiarly unfortunate, from. its operating as an impedinsent to any immediate aunelioration of their etindition. WVhilst the negroes Were ex-Pecting9 that every- packet would brizng them the paper which would secure their f-eedomn, and believing that the houise was ready to bestow en- franchisemetit urpon themi, andl was on)y prvnted by the obstinacy of their masters, via% it likely that they Would be contented with their sittiatlon, or that they would accept with satisfaction any mea- sur4es that wee intendea for their improvement ? On the other hand, whilst ehiecmasters were imipressed withi the idea that the negroes were waiting with impatience for their freekorn, and were determfined to wrest it from themi by violence, if Ithey could not get it peaceably-I whlilst they were reflecting upon the hor rors to which siuch an at. ternpt hiad gi-ven rise ins another island, and whilst they wvere daily feain let reettio o thm houd al~ pace in thesr own settle- mens, asit atualtha thy houd felinclined to relax their disipine o toir upthir rm toscemes of improvement andi ameiortin 1 Sch rrtatonas t resntexisted between the maserandth savewa nt a al omptilewith the improve- men whch he ous wihedto akein he oral condition of the kt,'r lier.lTo orwrd uchim -mventii it w6uld be neces-I sary to moderate the feelings of both parties; tney must ii uao tne excited hopes of one of them, anti abate tie inordinate fears of the other. (iear.) Theproclamation, which theyhadthatnightbeen told was going to the West Indies,was, from the precise and definite manner in which it was drawn up, of great isportance, and would, he trusted, produce the most Aalutary efftects in the qutarter for which it was internded. Important, however, as it was in itself, it was rendered stiU more important by the ulterior advantamcs which it held oxt to the view of the -_West Indian colonies. Indeed, the only sure foundation on which their future prosperity could rest, wvas the improve. mnntof the moral conditionof their inhabitants, effected through the medium of religious instruction. lie was tberefore extremuely glad that the Government had at iength deternined to give to the colo- Dies the Benefit of a better church establishment. The existing es- : ta~s'is eUt had long been iunadequate to the purposes for which it was institu ted. -l'he patronage ofAtwvas placed in Improper bands, ,land the-duiikof it were not administered w ith the most laxemnplary zeal. The extenit o0f the parishes, iisAny of-which were q9ual in size tto Englimh'c6unties, together with the dbtasice of the .shsbitatit kinm the -parish thturcb, airising ourt,- f thiat verY e%tiA4~~ pca.. J61ned a gf at inattefltionlto IeigiAia il%dties in mosat 4)4ir~loi snd had created an ideatbat theVliiurch fngab - lsunit lbe discharge of .hm-'uchn tdaost 66ciiidn lTrt, Ct was not rounded on erteiene steexjerimn~etttfahri Mttablishedent had riot hihrobemade ,in .throoie. kniew thaLt the missionaries who bad been senft to sg~f1eili~ by the society- which- had been formed under the paIvng~f~b Establislied (Jhurclt fogr the conversion of the negroi* les successful than the missiohrxssstit otb tt ceis-T fundls of that'socioity weTr orglnallysml,ndtreiyth was not able to send out as manymiioaesswreeesayb the accomplislimeut. of tlie 66ject which it had in ve.Zasry however, its funds Wjs increased, and he understood thathe ol be no? dificly t send_~ out an increastid number of sisouis He knew tht dail Capp os~o were mnadu t'o thse Yeneable pulate who was at the head of the 5osti-Y,bY Pesseisa whO wartebot only wclt. ~ulfe,but were als,o ouoxioa~ to take upon themselves the duties-~ ,.' maiares; antd he was lhappy' statega hs cpia~sP adinreae i retrprprio hn the funds ouit of wftl they were to bermnatd There lYo be an dedbf ofa clergy beinz found for the Wert IWn5tItt,~ -Prisiierl tualified for the duties of their calling; and icthir11fOiV' looet- ~orward with the utmost satisraction to, the grft at ln 5gep wiseli the islands would derive as soon -as these plans for th*Ir 2-14re0,1toua instraction wvere carried into complete execittidn. .(, a. The hop. member then proceede to state his oonflk?oi*aet eloquent speech which his right hon. friend (Mtr. Canhgj A tlSt evening made, and the liberal, yet tempeaepicpe 'f' corntained, would be of great advantage In ta ss the white Inhabitants of thte West Indie. hnte iJ gislatures fonnd out that the Government n alaij~ ra B3ritain did not intend to enforce the ien rswih hyhdr commended to their adoptioni, anad thatthywrnta' outi ferece o th parnt tatewit ther iternal concerns.W1e- theyfurter earnd, tat,to acompishtheir ultelior o~e~ the ovenmet ad Paliaentdidnot look to lIstlb enactment, but to improvement on te part of the slae and that their aims were rather directed tothe evtlnctien o avery than the enfranchiisemnent of the slave, they would n loger fear any interference -of this country in thleir propet in stlaves. When they li'kewise fou-nd that the (oenet and Parliament of G.'ea Britain did not intend to attemPt any des.. perate measures of doubtful expedience, hut onlvsuch gtaodusaImea.. sures as were sanctioned by sound poficy, and juast reasonring, they_ would cease to fear any interruption of the public tranquillity aadi when they found that no measures of hostility were directed against the legislatures-no measures of spoliation against their property... and no measuresi of doubtfulpolicv against their internal tranquillity, they wvouldI forget their p resenit jeailousies, and would gladly desit from all idlle quarrel and bickening. He would no be leave to oar afew words with regard to two oif the popositiorns of hi right bon.. friend-hc alludedto the admissibility olf slavesa.switnesser,,and'also to the propriety of allowing them to purchase their freedom. WVith regard to the firsit of these propositions, he muait saa, that, subject to the restrictions laid down sto ably by his nght ho.. nourable friend, lie -saw little or -no objection tO it. He thouglit hiowever, that th~e e.'tsteflce of the privilege should be restricted by the knowledge which. the sLove was proved to have of the sanctity of- an oathi; and nobodly could be go 'well qualifiedl to speak upon that point as the person who superinetended hiis religious instructiou. Withi regard to the second proposition, lie entertatined mocre serious apprehensions. It wras a measure of which it was impowsible at th e first blush to foresee all the conseouences it miglit ae rate u:ino a slave Society. Numerous ohjections,'however, presents themse IOe to the mind at the first sight of it, arising, first, out of the operation ft mnight have on the property of the master; next, out of that which it m,ighitlave on thecomfort of theslave ; anti(lastly, out of that whichit mnight have on the other parts of this measture itself. For those oh- jetionna no satisfactory solution heel an yet offered itself to bis mnind. a-I th-ought that they would have had Considerable weight, even with hlig right hon. friend, if the mnultiplicity ofhbis other avocations couldl hiave pexrmitted him to apply his great talents to the minordeuails of the measure he hadl proposed. Indeed, he was of opinion that his right honourable friend would have done better, if he had not dleparted fronm the views which had I een originally laid down by the abolitionists themselves, which had been subsequently adopt- ed by the African Institution,: (hear, hear), in a repor they pubishd inwhih,whist he reelld ~th gratindignation all imptatonsofwisingtointrfee iprpery wththe property of the oloist, thy dclaed tat heylookd nt t gimmediate' emaciatin f sava,bt o te ffetsof a partial manusi2igsionasnd of gadul xticton f laery o whch no teslaves, butstte mastrs wre o betheinstumets. Hea, her.)As lie 1,ad re- ferred at some length to te state of th ht abitants of the Wcest Indies, it would be disingenuous in him not to state,that he re- greeted exceedingly the temper with which they had mef the recent proposals of Government. But after making that admission, he implored the houise to take into consideration their fears and preju- dies, and habits, and situation. The colonial legislatures,unfortu- nately, ufnderstood the propositions which obtained the isauction of' Parliament, as propositions which conveyed a threat intsrfering with thecir representative fu-nctions, invading their rights of property, and disturbing their internal tranquillity. The impression which they took up was, beyond a doubt, not a correct nimpression. Such a meaning as they gave to the propositionLs of his eiht hon. friernd,was not authorized bythe words tin whic they were couched, and was directly Contradicted by the house itself. It had since re- ceivea a moresastisfactory contradiction in the stpeech which his rioht honourable friend had that evening delivered to thiehouse. The mere fact, however, of a miscoDnception on the part ef the colonies having occasioned all the warm language which they had used, would natu- rally, lead the house to anticipate, that as soon as they were convinced that they bad laboured undee a misconception, there would be a con - siderable change both in their language and feelings towaids it. The resolutions to whiich'thle house came in the last session, were follow- edl by the breaking out of an insurrection in Deinermra, and were so losely, followed by it, that they appeared to the other colouuats l-ink- ed together as cause and effect. There was nothing in the partidular situation of Dememara which could justify our other settlements in not expecting similaqr calamities. He asked, then, was it to be exr. pected thatt persons who were living in the midst of such anticipated dangers, shiould viewr their situation as calmly ar gentlemen did who were remnoved from the- scene of them by 4,000 nilles of ocean ? WVas it not natural that under their Circumstances, they should think their first great duty was owing to themiselves, and that they, were bound to take all necessary measures for their self-defence? And when they wvere toldi thattheir fears were extravagant, and that their predictions were always falsified by events-when they read state- ments accusing them of getting tip plots for popular insurrections, whiich were to end in shedding the blood, not of the white, but of' the black population, and when every packet brought them a fresh Cargo of imbittered invective astaiast their baxbarity aud Oppresiaron, was it not natural that thej should feel, and feeling, that they sliould express, some resentment at the insulting and fIgnn- minions charges which were sent forth against them ? H~ear, hear.) If they had allowred their indignationi to hurry ~them beyond the bounds of sober r,. 'en, if they had not disuinguished accurately between the correft - resolutions of the house, andl the incorrect resolutin= fthe member for Weymouth-resolutionv which, if they hadbee crid,'would have interfered with the colonial legislatures, and have inflicted a spoliation on colonial property, such as was never experienced by any country which was not under- going the fiery ordealof revolution-was the house on that account to cherish rese'ntment against them, and to treat them as wilful of- fenders against its piower and dignity ? In his opinion much for- bearance was due from the house to the colonies, considering the er- roneous impressions under which they- had acted; indeed, much more forbearance in tone. and manner then his right honourable friend had that evenoing displayed towards them in the brilliance of hins talent aond the exui=rnCe of his imagination. (Hear. If there were any hon. gentlemen who were inclined to act harshly towards the colonies, hie would conjure them to follow, not the example, but the atdmonitions of his right ~hon. fTiend; he would conjure them not to forget that the mnore they were disposed to find fauilt with the co- lonial eIWJ~atures for the violence they had displayed, the more were they bound not tofalil into a similar error theniselves, which would be the more unbecomiing as it would be the more uncalled-for on their part. If, however, the participated in the ditrust of the co- lonies wchichad been ayowl y the hoz. member forIlWeymouth,he would conjure them to recollect that they had no other instrument to work with thantlhewhite inhabitants ofhour colomies-that they couldt only improve the condition of the slave by the agencyr of the master; that the could only, render that improvem~ent effectual by, conciliating his- good.will; and that Parliament, 'with all its gret and transcen- dental powers, though it rright Compel obedience to its orders, could not compel that goodwilwhich would give them a tenfold ef- ficacy. (Hear, hear.) Hllonoutrable gentlemen, by following an~- other course, mighit exc-ite ill-will where they wished only to conci- liate, and might spread rapine, and death, and desolationtz as had been recently done in St. Domingo, where they only wislbed to spread peace and comfOrt, and general happinees.. If, howeve, te-Y wished en accomplish a work of real phlilanthropy, they would co-r- dially join in following th hous wih had been ineon his right honourable friens, and in, acting in union with the several colonial legislatures. (Hear, hear.) DIr. WILBERFORICE commenced his speech in so indistinct a tone of voice, that we were able to hear hini very imperfecaly in the gallery. WVeunderstood him to say, that be had listened with great delight to his right honoumable friend's plan for ameliorating the con- dlition of'so many thousasnds of his fellow creatures, and that his only- sorrow was, that thlat plain had not been carried on toa greater-extent. rt was, therefore, necessary for hima to consider how far his right hon. friendI was oPiposed to him on the present subject. Before hie dlidso, he wou Id remnind the house that his right hon.frienldhad read to~ the house the resoluttons which it had passed last year on this suib- iect. The hon. gentleman who had preceded him had informed the: house that these resolutions had been nsisunderstood in the colonies.. Whrly wvere thiey so misunderstood ? They were as clear in th2ir meaning, as definite iii their termst, andl as explicit in their latguage, as resoluitions possibly could be; and he thought that no person coulld misunderstand them, wOm did not sit down to do so. Hisi right lion, friena had formerly sai thnat he boped his propositions would bekindly rec-eivedlby thescodlonies, but that if they were not, we mIUSt Still performn that part which duty reqwired of us. What,. however, did hIs rIght hon. friend say now ? WVhy, he told the colone, ' We wll Itrust to your own feeling, of youir own duty, and to you ow sense of your own interests. We .will rive and we trust that your good feelings, as well as your commer- cial, interests will soon lead yoa to follow our ex&mple If he had now come into the house for the first time, he might perhaps indulge in hones of some kind and humane measues emnating from the coloni'a3 egislature owing to such a recomnendation; but after the long expeience which he bad of their conduct, it would be worse than trifling-it would be absolute crminality -n im to in- dulge in such flattering antiipPations, rtolinger in his measures, when the temporal and eternal happiness of xmmortal beings like Iimsnelf wstemotter at issue. 'Be contended that we aught to conciate the m we could but that if*e couldnottwe lbould pursu tepanaidrctcourse wbich our own dutyrquired- It' wIS worthhile to eimpression which our recent-conduct - .ed o hve adeboth on the mlaster atnd on the slavye. \~ ith regard to the first, he called upon the house to consider undr wht6rustrcste hail itfuastd ado tt, U. th?sa e5i re- wh souin fth rts arlisomeUt? . Mas it ata&tiWf.#bta we were saiagt 5 stt'eir jutstpit of figid in ismtwlse we Wl5. .......1~ toct : oal -a: 4c.',...,- : ; tegiettea that the fcaSsitions oi the t;ght hon. gentlermAr. vere [' t ,AI' o'ttt'tsed1r.tle apparent dgerea ir essn be athGinepsoes xi1ome o I,be ,colo iiesi,y tHe uitptsttaoftlt Sr.kOS}<conciitred i&h h-t,&edbe&'for tit-a &n,tr. WVeymouthi, that the quLesti sqrast bIQoked at more alnrE -than alegislative quiestion, -an the fnal.edjustment mustaccordr, ingly depend chiefly on the relative conditions of master an&slavc., It was-impo3islsle to ovrlook the great change which, haddtakett Place 'in tbo nepgrop6uljto,or fo be blind i ieo nseqnrner which must Sc look'edforfioni tlie ipcrea4e of morals aid inoformatiiol ' among theni. One' af fhe reat, instruinents ipt )vorking the chanke Ias religious istou&tih.: WMhotoglhis nurAbets had been disputed iLast year, vet he *would veatuje to state witlh equal confidencc, that of B09010 ,1aves, now i those islands, 100,000, were Christians. - L the house.reRea upon what munst result from the teaching. axhortation, i6istructioll, and examnple which would be furnished bvi thiS body of personsI Already had they effected a considerabri: change ih.the manners ofr.the negroessa that polygimy, and some otherei L oce r revident anong.thernbhad entirely ceased; 'Mr. *W. SMITH 'saidlhe wouald occupy the, hocuse but for a short time, at the then late hour. . One of the great cti2lPlaints, and what alwvays hsd been comilained ofv was, tbat when the jmost enilrmnou cruelties were committed in the West Indies, the local-' authoritie alwaysfoundthegreatest difficulty in bdiogi.gtKe criminals W itistice. In the most notorious case, that of hIodge, the goveriaor was a...iged to older out the militia to make= tle planters witness the exceution pf that man, for a crime whicih in this country would hate, been con) sidered as meriting a thousand deaths. heihad no doubt the state of the slaves in the West Indies wias considerablyinmproved; bathe was ola eioujgh to recollect that there was'not an admiral, general, or colonel who spoke on the subject about the year 17M4, that didl not represent the slaves to be in a most happy and coiwdi fortable situation ; yet in answer to tle complaints -now rtade, It was said " Ay, what you state migut have been the situation of the slaves 30 vears ago, but that is not the case now." There was this great difterence betveen those who thought as he did on the subject of slavery,-and the West India Iseprietors. He would sav, that all the steps now t2ken must be-with a vlew to emancipation as the uUiimateresult' but they said " No; we wiil take these steps that you now recommend, but as to abolishing sla- veey,we will do noi auch thitng," But it wait the solemni, the bounden duty of this ccUntry to see thlat lomnt. As to -the effect of the dis- cussions, there 'were fewer insurrIctions since the abolition of the slavestrade,than. itbefore tthbat took ps. It was said that thle lulaes wre appy Itmigh be o bt ~ heywere, they hal nio secarity for their bappinese. It was said by a wc,'i k l .poet- "Fior forms of government let fools CODnb'3ts5 "Whate'er is best administeed is best." But there wac no oue but must see the security for a goymerrinent being well administered was wanting, and thatit was not for a, mere form that people did contend; and the case was simnilar vith the j slave: his happiness (if he w-ere happy) might be changed at the WI2K of his master into misery. As to the question of the independence of the West India legislatures, be would not say much, but he would put one eXtremec ase. Every gentleman muast remember the quarrel whicb liord Seaforth bhd with the legislature of Barbadoes, or the subiect of making the wilful murder of a slave felony. lie (M1Ir. W. bmith) wquld suppose the legislature of Barbadocs had continued contumacious, and had dedcared, that so long as they were a leg:slature, the wilfal murder of a slave inBarbadoes should not be* felony he would ask the house whether they would have been jut. tified in sufFeringsuch astateofthings to continue? The slave-trade, in 1787, was represented as a source of wealth and prosperity to this coutry, but within a few years it was abolished; it was tben de- Cared a felony, and was now about to be declared piracy. The lion. gentleman concluded with expressing his tbanks to Government for the measures now brought forward, and his coindidence In apimion with Mrt. Barham, as expressed i the pampilet published Vy him, that if the gOverDnpent were not sinlcere, it woul,dstiUlbe imtpossible that.the auetion shlould now be put to sIeeD.- Si t tLSO.N w-ished to ask the. right ioDn. gehflenlan iF5lie order in council wasto extend to thel.,'ape of Good oe and the 11 auritius; and also whether, by the order which limited iue num- ber of lashes to 26, it was meant that the proprietor was not- to be allowed to inflict a further lashing for the same offence, after tie back of the slave shoul4 be heeled ? Air. T. WlI,SON thought that if the question was tobe pressedt forward in the manner which the lion, member for Brarnber seemed to desire, the gentlemen connected with the West Indies would do wrong to give anyconsent to it, unless they had sonmething like a pledge from the Government that compensation should be afrorded to them. He thought thle mueasures proposed by his Al ajesty's Mli- sisters for proceeding gradually, were the best that could be de- v ised to meet all the difficulties. Mr. CANNING, in reDly to the question of the hon. member for Southwark said, that communications had been made to the Cape of Good HEope and the other eastern parts, but of the re- sults he was not atpresent informed. With regard to the other questien of the honourable member,--as to the cOnstruction to be put on the order which respected the number of lashes that might be indficted-he could only say that the construction which he had put on it was, that twenty-five lashes only could be inficted at any one time. Another and more important question had been asked wbether the hon. gent. who sat near liim were not. disposedto carry this experiment.too far. He (Mr. Canning) would say, thatit was not as an expetiment that it should be viewed but as an example which,he hoped would be followed by all.the colonies; but he had all along deprecated the consideration of the question as regarded those colonies which had legislative bodies. The hon. member for Taunton (Mr. Baring) complained, of thedelay w'hich had taken place in bringing ferwarui this question ; but what was thc fact ? It was nbt quite ten months ago since the Government took it into tlecir own hands and they had now-come down with a muasure which the hon. genaenian himself acknowledged was blame- less and satisfactory , yet he took upon himn to place himself in the- chair of the lecturer, ard censure the Government for delay. There were gentlemen, as described by Mlr. Burke, who, on sub- jects like the'present,gotup atacertain hour of the ni;ht and made a speech balaniCng this way and that ; abit of blame there a bit of applause hee, with censures and compLiments so beautilly con- trasted, that no one could understand which predominated. But the temutation to make such speeches was very great, for, as lr. Burke abserved, they never failed to be received with applause by that party to which the trembling balance at length inclined. No- thing was more tuisappointin" to such gentlemen than that Govern- ment should stand in the position of mediator, because that was the vcry post they wished to occupy. Government, ohi this occasion had taken up. that post, restraining the wishes of those whQ desired every thing, and putting an elual negative on the inclinations of those who wanted nothing to be done ; and it was because the hon. mnember forTaunton envied the Government that position,that hegatve any censure to a me6asure which not only be thought satisfactory, but lie went further-tban his ilIajesty's Government had ventured to go, arid declared his opihion that it 'would be effeectual. He (M11r. Can- ning,) was content, therefore, to place this practical praise of the hon. gentleman against his hvpothetical blame. The hon. gentleman aight be ussured, that he (01r. Canning) meantnothing personally disrespectful to him, when he observed -that. in this session there had bcen several instances of the disjunctior of practice and theory: there had been the theory of the silk trade, ad the practie of tbe silk trade; and now there was the theory. of slavery, and the prac- tice of slavery. (A laugh.) The hon. mea1ber then said that the Government ought to look the question in the face. This was the cheap wisdom-the ready advice of every one; but how would the hor.ourable gentleran apply it? 'as he prepired to say,- that slaverv sbould be whatit now w as; or wouldhe wish tbat theseproposi- tions should be carried into effect; or any more extreme measure? The honourable gentleman considered that the West India proprie tors had a right to cornplain of the staite of incertitude in which they were kept. Be (A2.l. Canning) lad no 1esitation in declaring that what he meant to do was this-tfirst, what was now before the house, which the lion. member, without reference to anv ulterior measuresq thought would be an'effectual meaasure. He (Mr. Canning) was aware that the i'est 1ildia" ditoprietors would wish to extort from the Government a declaration ' that they never would do any thing more, bitt he (Mr. Canning). could give no such pledge. He looked for ' notliing, but practical benefits, proceeding with this dificult question on the irinciplesa of equity and hu- manity; but be could give no pledge that would tetter bis future Ooiirie of action, and would not be taunted into any extreme mea- Siure. For if ever'there was 'a question in which it was the duty of Parliamcnt to watch the progress of measuret, doubting even on first Pr.nciples, iat'a on dtipresent occhslon 'when they were calle& npon_riot to make a trifling alteration, but a total change in the coindition cif a itrge pyrtion pf the huninan ceg, aud to reca st an ex- isting gerieration. It was their dutv to march, not with irresolution, buit with caution anid prudence, ana a vigilant attention to the signs of the timer. For hbisnelf, he would iot tak-e the honourable gen- tlemran's advic6, but would take that middlc position which he (Mr. Baring) desired to occuy., avOiding that position in the extreme, Which, if lie had occpied, the honourable memiP'r would not have failed, and with justice, to have stigmatized as rashness. Mr. BARING-ex,lilained. The question wias ihen put, ahd leave to bring in the bill granted. * The ether ordes of the day were disposed of, and the houe sdjourned:at ALF-PAST ONE O'CLOCK. PARLIA.J fNEP-YARY INV7ELLIGENCE. -HUEf':~ I