House Of Commons, Wednesd...
The Times, 1824-05-13T00:00:00

Alderman HJBYGA'E presented a petition from the inhabitant householder of Hickman's-Foflett, is the parish of Bermondsey, praying for compensation in consequence of loss of neighliourhood by the prrected South London Dock&_Laid on the table. TEE;S AND WEARDALE RAILWAY BILL. The report of the committee to whom it was referred to consider whether the standing orders had been complied with in respect of the above bill, was brought up. Mr. LAMBTON took that opportunity to obxerve, that when, on a former evening, a gaUaRat admiral (Sir J. Yorke) asserted that an individual (Lr. Wnght) who was examined before the previous committee had -given his evidence in an imuroper manner, he stated that which was not warranted by the fact6. That committee had performed its duty in a-most correct manner and he could not con- ceive on what grounds the business was a;terwards placed ini the habds of another commiktee. That committee had, however,'come to the same decision_namely that the stnding orders had not been compliedwitb. With regard to Mr. Wright, the gentleman who had been reflected on, there was notanisidividualofgreaterrespecta. bilityin this country, nor one less deserving of the imputation that had been thrown on him by the gaUant admiral. He gave his evidence with the greatest propriety and consistency. As the stand- ing orders had been grossly violated, it would be highly unfit to proceed with this bill, at least in the present session of Parliament. Mr. R. GoRDow, Sir M. W. RIDLEY, Air. CALCIRAFT, and Sir H. HAwIDIGZ, severally-bore testimony to the respectability of M1r. Wright, and to the propriety with which he gave his evi- dence. Mr. BROUGHAM prosented two petitions from the ewners and occupiers of sheep-farms in *'Vestmorland, against the importation of foreign srsa-Laid on the table, The learned gentleman presented two petitions from the owners and occppiers of sheep-farms in Westmorland, against the tax on sheen dogs-Lsidd on the tabale. The leaed gentleman presnted a etition from the owners and occupiersef IAnd, at Miorflk, coniplaining of egri. -'~~~Pii w ax nt;-vvrnm ltaYiig, is we uidaer. stood, that an inqury sboulh be institut relative to the Earl ol Leicester's alms- ouses in the town of Warwick-_Lid on the table. The learned ggntleman presented a petition from a town in Devon. shire. praying for the gradual abolition of negro slavert, and the granting of such compensation to the owners of slaves asthey might prove themselves entitled to.-Laid on the table. COMBINATION LAWS. Mlr. BROUGHAM presented apetition from 150 journeymen boot aid shoemakers ofthe town of endal, against the combination laws-Referred to thecomuattee on artisans. The learned gentleman presented a petition from upwards of 1,000 journeymen Dloemakers in thecity of Glasgow on thesame subject. -Referred to the committee on artisans. The learned gentleman presented x petition from stpwards of 1,800 cotton-spnners of Glasgow, who also complained af the existence of the coombination l4ws, and of the injury which those laws inflicted on their interests. On tbkat part of the petition there was no difFerence of opinion between him and the petitioners; but there was another part of it, with resject to which his feeling was different from theirs. The petitioners not only pryed for the repeal of tie combination laws, but also desired that provision should be made for lessening the time of labour. They observed, tbat labour for miore than 12 hours a dav, including the time allotted for meals, was more than their physical powers were able to endure. He admit. ted that 12 hours' entployment-namely,from six in tie morning till six in the evening, including thi hours set a-part for meals, was as much as a man, wlether hlis body or mind were engaged, could well bear: but hedid not think that this was a point which could orought to be rectified by legislative enactmenr. Those petitioners were in a differeat situation from children employed in factories, in whose belhalf that house had formerlgyinterfee.bntecmiainls th ~ ~ te obation laws were repealed, those petioners would feel no difficulty ia coming to a proper agreement with their employers, as to the time necessary for working. When he said this, he wished to tate, i justice to the operative manufacturers of Glaapw, that they posessed the un speakable satisfaction of having within ther reach means ofacquiring education moreaxteniive tliai were formerlyenjoyed bypersons mov. ing in a much higlher sphere. He alluded to the Glasgow institution and he was happy to say, that seminarles of viunar description were spreading themselves, notonly over, t norer par; of the island, but in every other direction. Many gentlemen who heard him must be aware, ttit a vey con5iderable one had been established in the city Of 1ondon, IThe plan had been imitated in different parts of the country, in Yorkshire and other places; and it had succeeded almost beyond the hopes of the most sanguine admirers of the -system.-.'e petition vas referred to th commvitee on arti%s-, NwrActAT4TS.- Air. BROUGIHAM presented a petition from a denomination of persons caling themselyes Separatifts, residing in the town of Sligo, who prayed for such an alteration in the law as would enable them to enjoy thoge benefits, uights, and privileges which were within the reach of their fellow-subjects, without takig those oaths which they conscientiously believed it to be criminal in them to tak-e. Whatever difference of' opinion might cxist as to their tenets, all nust join in idmiring and pesisinetheir modest sacrifice of wealth to their honest and conscientious Wfuples,, ose-eeh0gou3 scmuples, 'werefo'nded oieerfin' s the Scriptures, which induced them to believe that they had no more right to take an oath for the purposge of filling office, or to enable them togive evidence in a court of justice, than the had tecomtnit r4zurder, thef, or any other act forbidden by the [ecalogui. TJto chieflr rested on a sublime patssg in the New Testame*it, wrnch positively forbade the taking of oaths. It might be said,- that, if the rehlef prayed for were granited to those persons, they. must, as a matter of justice, extend similar rehef to the scruples of all other sects. It was, however, already conceded to two sects-the Quakers and Mo- ravians. They might in civil, th6ough not in.'erimninal cages, give their evideice without the sanction ln 0noath. Relie had also been extended to the Seceders in Ireland.' If they had never granted this indulgenc to any sect, they would nowr be in a better situation to re, fuseitto the Separatists. They mightsay," We cannotralow private scruples of conscenceto intertere with thrpublic policy ofthestate." But, having goneso far, the onus wa5 placed on them to show why they would not go any farther. Mr. A. ELLIS hoped tbat, if not ininiediately, at least in some future session, Gowernmeut would take the case of this class of persons into their conuideration. llr. L. FORSTER said, the learned gentleman could not render those individuals a greater servi6e than by turning in his mind how it Was possible to carry that whiei they requested into effect. The difriculty arose fromi those people having no distingutishing tenet, ex- cept this scruple of taking swoith. In the ca6c of a Jew, a lUaho- netan, or a liindoo, the religious forms of the party were known, and, under the sanction of those forms, he might give evidence. But, in the absence of form, with respecr to the Separatist, it was difficult to. devise what course could be pursued. hir. V. FITZGEBAD thult the difficulty stated by his learned friend4ould easily beg6trid 'of by.that house. It would be only necessary o enact, that, upon the Separaist' rproving, bypro. per witnesses, thtt he belonged (o that sect, he should be permitted, to make biwaffirmation: .; * - . - - - Mlr. LOCKHART supoorteddtsbepetltion. LookIng to the con. duct of- the Quakeris, hc SAW DO reason to apprehen4 any. daiger froin relieving men from taking oaths. . Itdr. VyNN fs:weil ibdined todim1inih the number of unRe.. Dessary oaths,. but. woild be' vcry0ri4r; of * siog vith their sanctinina courtof jutic . After a few workd-srom Mt r-WG 'A- and Mr. AGAX ELL1S, he petition wa ordered to cithetabl .- a .A - HIDE AND SKINS. lUr FORRESX3E;R presenu&a p'etition froiiCtletmnnersofSslop, tented,a peti.tio frm neao oki h isefc IV:Gonlxoxi r similar -etitiosfsn the shoimsker of AIbeadeea; Sir TEOXAS ACLAMD a similar petition from the tans of Ah- burton; MIr. LITTLMTON a petitlon tO the "sme purpose rm t1p5 .shoemakers tf Sqarda Admira l SOTHt;t mfliued tjbn from tde ,tnnes edhlasfield. Apetiticn froejo thi tb'tAern C B,idgenortb, .fayo,uref the biIl.wAs prientedby, Me, Wane.. ;)rortz; a dnaotherptidton, toihe lame puiposi;froln sheWtbd .9-~: ,-:'' ' -::' Bl:lR llAWS. .. - ,f, :Mr. FORRFSTER-presented iPetit[66 frmi the county'fSa. lop against the beerhlaws; jOrId.AWNEXS a SiMilar petitiOn from cetin publicans.of the Isle of Ely; Lord F. osnOXIE an0ter aitilarpetition from other publicans of the same plar; Sir TEOS. .4CLANED, a petition to thesame eflectfrotntbe yeominry ef BWzn- t COMBINATION LAWS. Sir T. AtLAND presented a petition from the journeymen weavers of Collumpton (DeYwn) agamist the combination la*IK Mr. MAXWELL, a similar petition from a large body of weaters at Glasgow. BONDED WHEAT. Sir E. KNATCHBULL presented a petitien from Feveisham against the foreign corn grinding bill; Sir JAMES SUTTIE, a simli- lar petition from Haddington, in Scotland. r Sir R.. SHAW. presented a.petition from certait paper.makers in Iteland, complaining of the heavy duties upon paper there. M1r. LESLIE F>RSTER hapenend to know thatabillrouldbe brought in in a fewv days for equalzing the paper dutie of Englind and Ireland. GRANT FOR CHUltRCES. MVtr. JAMES presented a petidon fronm the neighbourhood of Mlanchester,complaining heavily of the late grant for newchurches. Lord M1UiTON presented several petitions, but, from the im- Perfect marnner in which they were read by the clerk, we were unable to catch their import. CHURCH OF IRELAND s Air.DOMINICK BROWNE gye notice,thtonThursdaV,the 3d of June, he would move for the establishment of a Caiholic church in Ircland. connected with the state. Mr. C. PELIIAM presented a petition from the tanners curriers, I and aboemakers of Hlisfax, agairift the hides and skins bilLm AMr. S.WORTLEY presented a similar petition from How den,in Yoricshire. Also a similar petiti4n from Bridlingon. Also a pe- tition from the victualler of Halifsx against the excise licence. Also a petition from the brewers of the West Riding of Yorkshire, against the beer retail bill. Mr. LOCKHART presented a sinilar retition from the.magis- trates of Cheltenham. Mr. LINDSAY presented a similar petitiDn from the corporation of Cupar in Scotland. Mr.CTRTEIS presented apetition frorn apa2ishinSuffolk aiot the bill for letting out bonded foreign corn. Mr. FORlE presented a petition from thefteemasons of PortFer. ry, in th county of Dowvn, praying to be admitted to the privileges of Inglish masons. Colonel PALMIER presented a petition froom the tradeimen of Bath, against the Bristol-port dues. Mr. .T. W lLIJIAMS presented a petition from the medtanihs of Preston, against the combination las. Alsn a netstinnfrom tlie in- habitants of New Ross, against nfero slavery. Mlr. CURTEIS obtained leave and brought in a bil ito amenl the law of settlements as to seafaring apprentices. Mr. S. WVORTLEY presented a petition from the bankers of Leeds, in favour of the county Coitrts bill. Mir. S. WORTLEY moved to enlarge the order for receiving re- ports of urivate bills frorn the 17th to tkse 24th inst.-Ordeted. AdJouirnd. Adjouned.MINORITY On Lord Althorp's Motion for a Committee to inquire intO the State of Ireland. -lMay 11. Ahereroniby, Ebrington, Vls. Marjoribanks, S. Smith, W. Hon. J. Erans, AV. Alartin. J. Stanley.Hon.R.C. Barnard, VIs. Fitzgerald, RightMilbank, Mt. Stanley, Lord Barrett, S. Hd. Hon. 5M. Milton, Viscount Stewart, W. (Ty- Beaumont, T.W. Farrand. R. Monek, J. B. rone) Becher, W.W. Fergn son, Sir R.boore, P. Stuart, Ld. P.J. Benyon, Bi. French, A. Mahon, on. S. Talbot, R. W. Bernal. R. Fitzroy. Lord C. Newport, Sir J. Taylor, M. A. Slrob, J-. Foley, J. R. H. Norma Tiby, nt. Tlerney, Rt. Hon. I]roughaxn, H=l. Gaskell, B. Nugent, Lord G. Brovrne, . arattan, J. O'Callzhan, J. Warre, J. A. Burdett, Sir F. Grosvenor, Hen. Ord, W. Webb, F. Byng, G. R. Osborne, Lord F. Wharton, J. Belgrave Vi. Guise, Slr B.W. Palmer, C. r. iltbretd, S. C. Benett, f. Gordon, t Pares, T. White, S. Blake, Sir F. Haldimand, W. Pelham, J. C. NYhlte, Col. Buxto , T. F. Hamilton, Lord Powver, R. Williams, J. Caicr ft, J. A. Powlett Hon.W.Wlilams, NV. Caicr ft, J. n. Heatheote, .. JPoyntrW. S. WUlson, Sir R. Caivere, C. Heron, Sir R. Pryse, P. Winnington, Sir Celvert, N. unHi, Lord A. Rie, T S. T. E. Carew, C. S. Hobhouse, J. C. Rldley, Sir M.W. Wood, M. Carter, L Honywood, W. P.Robarts, A. W. WyviL. M. Caulileld, Hon. H.Hornby, E. Robarts, G. J. Wrottesley, Sir J. Cavendlsh, C. C. Hughes, IV. L. Robinson, Sir G. Whitmore, W.W. Chamberlayne; Hume, J. Rowley, Sir W. Wpl,4 C. V. W. Hutehinson,Hon.Rumbold, C. E. Chalcjner, R. C. 11. Russell, Lord J. Tellers. Clifton. Lord James, IV. Russell, R. G. AlthorP. VIs. Coke, T. W. (Nor ervoise, 0. P. Rumsell, Ld. G.W.ParneD, Sir H. folk) Johnson W A. Ramabottorn. J. Colborne, N.W.R.Knjgh , R. Rickford, V. Paired off- Croevey, T. Lamb, Hon. G. Robertson, A. Ellice, E. Crompton, S. Lambton, J. G. Scarlett, J. Ellis, Hon. 0. A. Cradock, S. Leyeester, . Scott, J. Sykes, D. Davles, T. H. Langston, 3. H. Sebright, Sir J. Wi1laMs, SIT I. Denison, W. J. NJberly, J. Sefton, Eatrl of Portman, E. B. Denraan, T. Ntberly, W. L. Smith, J. Lloyd, J. M. Duncannon, Via. Macdonald, Smnth, G. Western, C. C. Dundas. Hon. T. S S . Smith Hmn H. HOUSE OF COMIMONS. WEvNv9qAv. MAV 19.