East India House.
The Times, 1824-02-28T00:00:00

Yesteriiay tine adjourned debatTon the subject of Raloyburt' College was resumed bXthei.ourttof Proprietors at the East Iodil Air. M5.5 AVRIMcE r,'i1Z ande saidI that in cotoseqntenci of a par%. in ursuiiance bee hhirRer,or dine rwiotesort pbire,wh lbmptwinirearot bY tn e ileusiona toe last Courhisual accomm soda-ln. -He'dJccWnf o, te ccaio alludedtoccsupednord therm.cp t krtu the Ch6a,lasissueda forhethe h ngesr the e lnitoipraii~torwst to .Thei CIwAR rept,liied, tht int ofwactimpssibe fotp,rophim torsa lhotwr nsteifgt, perf th lyitoaln to thea anyua incvncemtrIiketatio. .alldedto ad eeon theJ byccanybody(lu edato ishedaor. dr)cp th~ usal or alwastisse,l o wslecuIt ngw wh~eta for the ujainduplltr %ence, it' thatt were ionsitlered a better term, was tribe withheld trom Th1PGw,ri9Cti,% replie that he hardly k-new what was meant by the "'usual inidulge-nce." Thle first paxsons entitledI to Reats in thiat Court- were the pNprictors (hirir, heatr) ;' but wiih scipect to the gentlennert wihoatteisadedIr the public press, he believedl thiaI they were at pr-,sent in tho V5art of the court, wlase by courtesy they' were Permitted to slt, antd whgr4 lie hoped mey wouild lind elery accoi-. rfoatv&idn (hear,- boarl-...Pf coars -nat as a n-i:tter of righit, buit (if 5AIALETnURY.;Ch ,U 13. Mr. AIr,.,Ey resum-~ed the dcbate, by complaining of the inm. perf'ect' o'ujstuesr iiL whicih the tlpimnion of Mr. Milthus hadt beer- neued a~ the last court, and insisting that the opi 1 ~'0ios ~or tchat eminent writer were, when fairly interpreted,d- cidedlyin'fa4our bf the college at Haileybury. He (Mr. illoney) 'was a candidI andl impartial testimiony uipon the mierits of thsesa iisliient for being in India at the timie of its founda- tinbe,~tf ocofs hth etertined at thetimei to which he sll <aiaearl prjudcesupn thec subject- but when he uftwa~)~ ~wthee~itre,ess f t,~individuals who were sent ?i~onihe olleg to ndia,and eard he epressions of. their giati-~ thd indjera.ir maer,fo th edcatonand advantages whiich * fse~ ha deive thre,hisopiion b cam reversed, and he wasi ~ohlosvei~ sruc wih te vlueof uchan establishmienit.. That evil 'km deectsmigt exist in thie instiutioni, as% they did'in allk othr hf humian form-a-tion, he did ode mean so deny - but Ni did deny tha there was no other modle of remiedying them'~a I ho~ the meRns of such a motion as thiis. (Healr.) t'- Inpressed was e witi-tlie'vatue of the college, that hie hs ~t jhs son, who 'Was. nowVon striMce in India., to Haileybo-v fOr hiis educa:iori atid where, he was proud to say, he had rcci;~v. ediprzes and markts ot~ dittintiton 'which were to hiis family a v ':ue of thPr hs rtiiain h honourable gewuleman t 5'n read a letter which' he had received from his son at the close of 'nis collegiate educatidn, in whi ich the Wvriter Spoke irn thte highe<j terms ofrthe happy sod useful tiime he had spent at Haileybury, and the reciprocal feeling wvhich was' felt by a num. ber Of 0tl5`ttudunts Wiith the benefit of this experience,lhecould nor but hs',, a decided objection to any motion, the inevitable ten- dency' . ;hich was, in his opinion., to abolish an institution whiceh eaYly productive of immenise bienefit to the best inteidtss ott'hle ]~.st Indlia Compsny. (Hear.) Wtitli re&pect to the compuls,ory * "tiie ~o muich complained of, he thought it highly essential to the f,tabara1ntvidn anud education of those 'who'we're gecstine&o serve in mInii. A test, they, had heardi, was to be ASubstituited for those who were not wo receive their education aeosrehac:to Ithe present plan of the colie re NOw - he thouight it was not dilfficult to show 'that this *test wouTld be'tfound a very insufficient substitute f6r the collegiate education at present prescribed. In the first place, thie test cou ld only, furnish gt iron1 the literacypficlencyof the student, it could afrord no clueotb1he ioraihabits mid clscitilin6of the individuzal,-~thoseha- bitawhich were so easbtial for'thedue perfonnaneceof' officialiduties in India. (Hear, hrQ) Th'ey all knew that toriet talents (and s"tch as coutit ensure it'uccess before ank' ex&arninauon for mere acquire. raents) were ulten found in alliance with an unruly mind, anid a sPiritwhich'was more dangerous on account of the po~ssessioni of such talent's (he'ar, bear)-.a spirit that in England might act wvithi less at. tendant-harm than it could in India, where the violent ebel- litio' -of a fier spirit tnnst necessarily be attended vrith the 5.'.ii1est nlarm.~- (Hlear, hear.) It was ohvio,is that muichi of theR .cOtmmeter and - stability of their Government in India must (,'serdrid upon the sense entertained by the natives of the disposi. "don antd principles of thcee who wvere selected to superintend theirs tlEiriirt. Surely, then, th- nece%sary control for creating that disciplineQ f babit oight to remain witere alone its sufficiency couldi benPropezily ascertainted,-namrely,, under their owni systeni!of tuition, anid close and conlstant observaneed, (Hear.) A goodi deal had heels * e4d of the severity of the expsslsiin whichi was ilishicted at theit, col. lege, and no dbubt it was a mnatter of natural grief' and disappoisit. inei.t tohtise family ort' th sufFerer; but let themn look.at itle records, *anti see in how maniy instancest the power of expuls,ion had beeni ewircised ? Within- the last 20 years, .-11 studentsi haid beei edsi. cateti at "Hileybur-, and 20 of themi only had beeri expelled. (1ca'r.) And With respect to the discipline at Haileyburr,asscom- *pared with that at the colees of Oxford and Cambr dge,'he would sav -Aithout tezir of contradiction, or meaning; to disparaurd the great Univiersities whichi adorned the countrv, that the sygt~m of disci. ~lne atd behav-iotr of studients atHaileySury-wasdecidedlvprefei-4]e. fanfct,the-instanees of riot and insuxbordination, lnurltt6 be latiient. ad v-%tciy were, whihel lbad occurred at Ilaileybury, wer6 exeepidons ti) the ge-nctal conduace of the students; ansi V~et,ihrough exaggeration and tntsrepresentation, thevs were held torth as h speciuien of thec character of the school. NoD Per'soni dreamlt, when a student of Cam. bnidgd was convicted and 3t4neenced to an ignoniniiiotis punishiiiient, or hnpatiiig the crinme ';e thu individlual to any laxity of morals oni 11,Pam.Of the Unilv'.rsIty; and yet if such an occurrence liail taken placeo at Raileyb,;,y thie public wiouild hiave heard df nsothiugbue the criine of the irAsvidtial being that of' tle college. It was this sort of Ol.1`prds`.tafl0n which led to the opinion entertainied of the la it Of d i%6fhe at, iheir semirnary;- otherd-ise it was impossible Iteo thiln Ithat --saisceenpt wvould be tolertedl whikbch went, in its consequences, tlhc;agh he wasshure anot in the intentioti of the mover, 'to destroy a ',,Lan of education whiich was probationary and preparatory, anid well ecalcuhatedi lo d spense thosew qualifications whrichi were so essential to secuire r~spcct dior. theix civil servants in the Indian Empire. The hod,. memzTber compared the present weneral character of their ser- vants in bidia, since the establishme~nt of' this sy-stem of edlucation, 'with that which was obs.ervable at a former period, and described inl the highest terors the superior acquirem-ents whiich were acltoqwledged in thteir civil service generally of late years and quoted thle distinguislhed authority of Sit John Mlalc6irn, at rince the historian of thte Indian Empire, and the greatest Ornamrent, bdbth as aisoldierand a siatemran, that ever did honour to their sec. 'vice. (Hesr, hear.) The honourable proprietor then read ex- tracts from Mr. llfalthu.,'s pamphlet, whiich were in favour of the iutility of the college at Haileybury, aind qtiored the high1 opinioni of the late ilir. Charles Granit, who was decidedly InI favouar of that establishiment. In conclusion, he called upon thie C-ourt not to assent to a motion, wvhichi, if carried, would eventually abolish a seminary of rtle highest value to their bert interests, and 'whichi bughe to remain a solid nsemorial of thecir munificence atnd imyanmiLy.(Hear.) r.TATexpressed thie warm interest whichi lie felt in this 'discussion, an4 the pleasure he derived from seeing the calm and dispasionate mannmer in whicll it had been conducted. T, e opinions of emainent mLen had been quoted as favourable to this establish. mient. Now, with the leave of the Court, hie would rend an extract from 'Lord (irenviUle's speech in 1813, on the debate in the House if Lords for thie renewaL of their charter, to shlow the opinion enter. Wtned by that state~sman ofr the college wich was established by 'the Ease lrodia Comprasy. The words of his Lordship wese these... " If I speak of this plan, as I think of it. with strong disapproba. 'eOItL and regret, let it not be inferredl that I object to anny degree of ottenitioa which can be given even to the earliest instructi6n and dis. rWiline of' those whio are destined for Indian service. Far fromt it. oman will more rejoice in this than I shall-no man m ore zea. Itushy contend for its advantage. But I can never persua~de myself that it was justifiable to form for that prpose a separate establish. meot in. England. It may be doubted at what age these youthsmay most advanitageously be sent to India. Buat Up to Ltle latest Moment of their continuance in this country, be that period what it, may, I sce the strongest possible reasons agaitist their being separated in education fr-om the Young muen of their own age and Station in life. Ithateatd of formigtirstem be frehiand into ani exclusive class, into someting rsembing a distinct cast o f men, destined to admiinister goserninent in remoQte provinces, they oui'ht, above all other pub lic servants, to receive, so long as they continue' in England, an educan-on puirely English. It had been erroneously said, thatanteced1entto thle es. tabIishmient of the colleges at Fort Williamn and in England, Lord Welle-sley had in the strongest terms complained of'the deplorable in. e~ffictency)f the civil,servantsof the Company. It wasnot surprising- that the nloble lord sthould have, from his anxietyr to extend the edu.1 cation of their servants, drawn rather a high-coloured Picture of the defecte whichi were at the timie apparent ; but Ilietmust deny that there prevailed at the time the lamentable deficiency of whiich rso much bad beeni said. They had, long; beibre thtese institutions were establ'hcl i a ot eminent civil servants: were the namnes of Gran~t, and Lunsdero, end many others of the firt talents for- gotten loi that court ? But he wouid put thie prescribed and impe. Trtive plan of qutalification through four termsa at Haileybury to a i_ractical test. Couild they furnish from their college alone, it suf.. laceibnt numnber of civil servants,folr their establishmient in India ? flart ot the Beng,al Government, which bail now a smaller esats. bhiibrment 'than in 1810, recently mnade a lar, d requisition for an extrardinairy supply of civil servant%? Tiiey could only within the ssezt six slionthss suPPlY, as be was informed, fromi Haileybur 21 civil servants for the whole of India. ( Hear,) It had beeni asked whecre Vag the ~steraofeducation defective?, H-ewouldl answer,that itwas snani.fecbty inadeo,ute, and inferior to that of the great unliversities fof the coonl ry. . Vhy would. aut the education at Oxford answer forsth divtil servants Of the C'oulpany ? Had it not s5ent fo)rth their iss itinuishedt legilslatwve officers...for InStance, the AMar9uist Wellesley,'the Mlarquis of Hastings, Lormd Grent ille, M.Cnig &c. (Hear, heair.) They-had heard a gwd del rfh pCanniarg, rality which was observable at Haile XYbr; he bielieved that in manIy mnatsics tis ictre oul be oun- to fattrin, ad tat the Ibsinuale ad dstrutiv vic ofgamig hd peetrted(unless he as isiforued te wllsof hei colee. nd o fr lomen. terainag hesam opofn wth r.Mony, e Mr.Trat)would asn en. stronglY urged the n oain xluive g .me sfdctionml ure h ecessit of abandoning thPis exclusivhe sgstemof'dut eonuat Haheybsery andsaid that he could notspeakso g X? thderduim vemerisof m thosestudents who had been lacengstieritbinndia- hie had seen nianvveryeminen men borsubordinaton cntirctideand thnlyinsae iwich else Government of hadrt t chti srbeean ui Hirlelimbl h'pee ntecase Ot'a stuaeni who had toe *u1-'ti daiembr."T- hw ris adequacy of thlat college lown ejtrly tjs o deadfrcvlse-vants in IndiA, he qiuoted the foL. lowig ejera~1In the spfeelr of the hon. J. Ad;Zsa at the College of Fort Willitr, cdeliveread i the oh f July last. These were unt ordena'ndfle epiucEncles Ofthepublic service and the conse. quene demnand for pubSc of lTcers to carry on the indispensable bust 'n-s of the Gthernmseot, museahv,s Cave an twer1 inlund'o the nffalri ofethe Co2lle These &xigtecie4 Kaye, or som ye on vas, co-nsellna us to rest iFfied- with a scale of distinction some- uhdr atdorxat. which we might naturally and re3sonably aspire, under a differ&itstats of crcuynstanes. ThS facilities which, in order. to tnet' this urientdetmnd, have been afforded to the student, of t vin olIege: onp roof of theircompetence for the pubhc7trvice, notu at dieers'diat pe oype jratVexato f riods, necemiam o old oterens te ttaininent it college, of that poficienr 'lfisdhs *old rtervais'- bce ttanifected, by- ;nny ofI chas"Te honrtnOu>gblgdkEnceot5also sns4e Pi;r thse, 1813, -and soit out that the predictions then heid out had ;5o. bersi *c?d al;- . jqtote4 Lord aWeU'fiu>dnte (it council repecting the state of eJoes4ion of their tee anit, and in which he spoke in these words of their improunentei t-, ~ Te stuxdy andl acquisition, Of the hafA05 '( e,- bivi6wlfe bi~ei et teiided in B3engal. adheeppl kncowledge. apd. qg4lcu id dNcivil 'crvmlits havd bceen improved. The Or6lo~olon6i of. dihelfi servants who have riiAde i:c6nsiderabU pOkidi~ towii&dh~ t I maen of the ilualifications reqpjaio in their severA xtationts;iappealR gseat tLd eVen asol-'li, `Wh4t`e11eT~witi` regard ohe.rrl dSaa2vantagces,.emibarra.simentaL,..and 'defects, ji QW~:_IvjptlvIe. Anotlher bi~h auithorit in ,Indip. htad said.,: in one of bjs addrestes it thle collefgd St Frt b-."I cdbcnliitle, 1herpftlre, 'tht ,esi tern, in has Usual ofie;VLtioft, fis good ; that thVu(b1'bcofiss6fmnae rnseht is go6d,d that every thiig is well arratnged a d. *eLedndtice1 that, in ~lcrt no 'blamie canI be impoiteil, eliter to -thecnsst dion, or to the:htduinistration of, the college, but -tliat'tij iiii the evil'to be accounted for must be sought in something. etisc antd perhapsaadveniitiois. -Now, Sir, in this point, 'it .mut.b collected,~ that thie Ibndia college Is in some respe6ts veiydfTetl sifuated'fwoir. tll otlier insd~tiulors of the sarne spei Tc.gene- TaliweiOfC61lllatceta.blishmenL lhave beeni fotidd iniip of very .imppirfect illlimination, And- by sin anitbority q'hcl w nsco dered as paramount. 'They have, therefore, eal cuirtn urxefie'-. cd' swaY 41 rind having begun sVy being Lerngi ower, have jsedil( withi being-strong in opitiion~-they have reneinterwoven sHith ael ouir national prejidics and may be said to have. struck. their rootsl inato thd perpetual q4 rof the Constitutioit. Hencrce tbey, cpmmand the unquplified reverence of mankinda gnd any attempt to shake thei!r authority, much more any attempt to en~dai ge thelt.existence, whouhi be conside6ed the last extreme of' folly. 'lve India. college, on the other handl, lhas had to'contend witliisomethiing of those dis- advanfay~s that are experienced. by, -a Governbient egtdtalieheid? in tinueri of lighit andl liberty.-in timies when almost every main has ati. opinion a voice, and a pen. It necessarily *ahti all thiat hold ori the public mind, whiichii the growthi of .prescriptdon'and antiquiity;, that is; it wrents one mioat importatnt stay for the preservation of dis-' cipline, and the prevent-ion of designs of tumuilt. A studtint:of vill dis'positions, and we miust expect a mixture of such'in g"erv numcs~r~ ouN assemblage of individuals mayi be led to entertain the ided. that eveni a.pri'jcci of oversettinig rthe estahlishmntn ist nrll wvholly o~ut.of reach ; and, at all events, when a crisis, of anrikrd arises,' an minsi-. tution like this: is deficient in the nmens of overawing disturbaace."' The hon. proprietor also quoted the following oplinion from the Quairterly Reviey,, ip favour ofa genw!al test in tle place of the pre- sen' systemi " Occuipied, 'ideed, as the stindetits are At the Eng- lish coliege, withi the sliniulhileous Jmursuit of several braniches of }.uropeanl Ieamu and, sesiplce ancompelled, as they are, 6O ac- ~mplsh teir t~ine 6ouirse withlin t.hq short space of two yettrs, it woud b ~7epoletus to exlpect that their anhuirrthents In. the Oel~ntnlanuag souild,fort)iemnost part, be considerable -or 'with iefrone t th ~xsntand difficulty, of thoselanguages, shouli even Ceachmedicrit. I heslitatenor us say-tbat'in'the'senile describ-' eti,theyough notto ,reachi this limnit. They should, as was cb. StrOd iiab arl pat of these observations, be purely rudimnental, Oriptl.lteaeue,atany-semninary e%tablished for the Company's- serat in nlad is to, be considered rather at an appendage, thou an important one, than as a principal anid ibould beyursued rn-careful subser.vitnesito tho.se Europ)ean Atujiesa,0ihch conistitute the pro)per and primary business of such a place. In- this, view we cannot help uniequivocally disapproVing of what has beeql establishec at the present Coleguner the'namne of the Orienltal'Teat,' thoughi it ap- pears to havec b,een originally suggested by Mkr. Mtalthurtsin meell; As an indispeusable condition of leave to proced, to India, the .stu- dent.s arerequtired to attainsa certain giventlegr6e of profici6nc~y in On1.. e-ntal,learninsr, and in this alone. Butlet there be a general tge;t, -or none at all. There is no reason why one 'particular branch of study should. thos' be Promoted inoxreference to the rest;1 asid( if one mts't be preferred, there are goo reasons. wvh that onie should not he 'Orlent:lF literature. The truth is,$that Oriental literature Ihas alrrEl. dy sufficient encouragement,, from the prospect of the disti rittons conferred on it in the College at Calcutta, and this is precisely the argument aint disringuishing it by peculiar honouxrs in the Col- lege at Hertforird"." He' concluaed by earnestly hoping, that the subjiect wuuld be revisedtby the Court of Directors., and somneremeky applied to tht 'ev,ils attendant ulpon the present exclusive systeni of education. (Hear, bear.) Mr. BEan hiighly approved of the p resent miotion, from Ihis ex- perience of the state of their affatirs in rindia. H-e took a retrospec- tive revriew of the state of the Company's affaiirs in India within thTe last 80 Years, and pointed our, the diri'iirencc which had taken pltice within'the latter half of that perioid, the conseqluence of svhichs had rendered the duties of their servatits not so oftent of'vast and coinpli- catetl impor-tance.Iin the times of theirgreateit. peril,they always founntl nien equal, both in tbt field and( the cabinet, to the emnergencv- of the crisis, loig beforethiese colk'ges were thought o1.How, then,corild it be ai,th3t iiotiing short of an educat-ion for four termis at Halley bury- wouldI tit a mnan for rlieir civil service ? Th'e gzreat error in thecir- compulsory system of education was, that froni its fixed atid stlern chlaracter, it was deprived of the benefit of that silent operation of public opinion which wa3 so beneficially felt in other semninaries throughout the country. (Hear, hear.) 'Besitoes, their college WA8 without that intermediate gradation of links whichi united the fel- lows andI high-er officers of tite larger universities withi die students, ti;roughotit all the train of under-graduates and tuitors, Ile was Prepared to show, that in sro essential a p art of college discipline as thedistributioni of tituse, the college at Hatleybury w,as nilserahlydefi- dient.. The professors were notemployed as the-y oughit to be-some had bixt four hours' labour in the week, others two hours in two days, and the rest of the week open. Some bad five houirs' emnploymenit irn the week ; others niine hours ; and the assistant profesors ten houirs. 81ith regaxrd to the tim-e rrgulatcdl for students, they attended during twvo ternis for four days iti the week two liours each day, and the two *other days for three hours. During the two remaining tenns, they attended thiree hours on Mondays, and two hiours on the other wea* days. He thsen poinited out the late period at whichi they weresentout to India, and uoe long spsacc. of time, estimnatin.g it at'30 yearsaor 36 years' resitdence in India--the time ntecess,aiy to enable th indivi- dual to aechuire an adequiate competency forhdis futu-Te nmaintenat:ce-.. and asked isliether they could expiect that assistance frornisuch expe. rienced servants on ther return, as theymi1eht otherwise afford, if tile opportunity of another an earlier, and a better plan .of education- vere permittedl. Hej tin s-aid, that whien the profesors at H alley- bUry wer requested to give evening lectures to affordi more timie tor std and less for pleasure for the sturdents, they resistedI the appli- cation out of amor otit, andi aid that if they were to give eveiiing lectures, they would not undertake the responsibility of the control. Sir GEosioxp Roin-~:sxos called the worthyi proprietor to ordcr for initroducing the naines of' absent persons, and imputing an ims. pro-per motive for thEir condluct. - Some discussion took place on the point of order, in which Mr. RANDLE JAcKSON~ and Mr. _KiNNs.iRDt supported Mr. B-EBB, and MrI. PATTISOy jUStified the conduct of the profes,sorsi who were always ready, he said, to promote the objects of the institution, withlout regard to personal trouble. Mlr. BEBii resumed, and saidl that the consequence of the students baring so [inteih leliur was, that they naturally enough, at their aye, turneri their leisuresutimetsowhat they deemned pleasurable prsuits, and laid the foundation of those habits of ex-travagance, racier then of economy, of which so inuch hiad been said, whien they went out to India, where they would be all fouind hecavily in debt. Be hadt hieardI atmany inistances of thcese young men raising money iti India at an interest, including lift--insuirance, of 161L per cent. The follow- ing was thescle of the state of 40 Wrters whMih was transmnittedl homeby one of them to his; father, accompanied by a demiand for a reitac. Hec said, that he divided these 46 writers inito 4 classes. TIhe Ist he called those whio were " very much involved," and owedI fromi 3,h001. to 1 0,0001. ; the 2dl, '"much inivolved," and owinig from 1,0001. to 3,OiO. ; the 3d, "1not much involved," and owving from 1001. to LOOQI.; and the 4th, "not inVolvedlt" and whoc hard, perhab lttle mloney. Out of the 40 writers 18 were in the 1st clMSs;1irth 2d (in whichi the writer included hsimself) 8 in the dls; n only 3 in the 4th and one of thertis was-doubtfuL (Laugtr n cries of 1 hear hear.) le forcibly depict- ed te vils of thte system of having suchi debtors in India, who might be tempted to increase their emolumtent by undue means and thereby create incalcuilable prajudice end infuiry. Hle strongly condemned the compulsory clause for education at Hlailey- bury-, and particuilarly the statutte whicli enabled the professors, when thieycouzld not discover refractory student,,, to setid away othiers merely- upon a s4upposition inferred from their general chama'ctir, and excludle them until the real off'etiders were named. Such I mean systemi of extorting private information was- disgraceful in t-he edu- cation of youth, andi if the spirit of the age did nor interpose, would expose the authors of it- to an imputation of being favourable to the systemn of torture in the reign of M'acv. (He ar.) 'I'he hon. gentleman quoted several extracts from Mlr. Malthus0s pamphflet, and expressed his decided conviction, that whatever flattering Pic- tures c-wild be drawn of thlis college, it had ass inherent defect in ittN institution, which ha was persuaded must be corrected and that these discussions would uiltimately effect that purpose. dlesLr.) Mr.- RObIERT GxRAYT' expressed his tlianks to the gehtlemen who hiad introduced this subject, for the moderactionwith which they had argued their viewv of the case, auadh e wea preparedi to meet them in the same spirit. ot conalndRc dispassionate inquiry. In the- firs4t place, he entirely differed from those whio thought, that when they, submitted the present conisideratio.l to Parliament, the legislature would adopt that Which the miembers of the court thoughit Was the only alternative ini the ease. On the tontrary, he feared that the nsomnent Parliament opened the subject, there woulld -be: a rlleposi. tion to deal with it in a mey different manner from that in whch they themnselves. reteived it'wsth iefererice to tbcle osvn linterests;- Ile therCfore entizely concuirred ini the opinioAn that to adopt 'the present mioton, wounit be in etfct to abolish the college as an insti- tutioni. The twio points which lie *hi prapared to arg-ue were these -Ist, Hlad thie institutioni in v*.b:y fair degtee answered the intention of the founders ? 2dly Was there any fair probability that the same beneficial objects wonld he obtaincel by the proposed substitute?P That the in'stitution had answyered its purposes, ties, hie thought, de-. monstraited by thec ituproved condition antia qualificatuons of the civil.- servants whom it sent td India; and who were conspicuous far their varied and extensive attatlhnient.s. He admifteel, that before the establishment of the colzlege, they had among their civil servants in India, many. very eminent men, but they were often paralysed in their rmcsures by the inadlequacy of the juitior establishmeais....that inadequacy litad, since the college education was estatblished ontiret Present footing, been entirely remioved ; and upon critiral emfer-. gencies young men were founo in the jusior stations who acquitted thlemselves with the hiighest eclat. The worthy proprietor enforced at considerablelength the importaniceofpreservingas%ystem of education whirh,na torow toC uh datge,adws-rmis-aue wmlch lnad tbro-wn fiorth s'uch advantagleaan s frorin its nature a self-improving system. (Rear.) Withrespect to the debts incurred by several individuals iil India, he thought a great corrective of that evil would be fbund in the regulation whvich prohibited anYy of the servants of the company ffom cmploying any of their creditors upon their respective establishments. (Hear, bear.) Nowthe tlhought it no unfair test of rbe value of the system of education at Hailey- bury, when he could say that five-sevenths of their civil servants, who had of late years distinguished themselvs in India, were edu- cated at Haileybuty; and he particularly instanced the merits- of 5r.- Sterling, and. asserted, that all the prize students at Hailevbury were subsequently distinguished for superior mc- rits in thteir future careert in ndia. The worthy proprietor 9iote-d thet opinionst of Lords Cornwallis, W'ellesley, Diinto); and- tlastings, in support of the valie of the imperative sab-' tem of education. and'said that on every occasion individuasliso educated: had been foand in all the Presidencies, fit for the most arduous dut-es.arn advantage not sf frequently found on fotmer-ocaionts. He iostanced MIr.- Greuway, of the Madras as- t4sblisbhdent" Mr. Stokces, Mfr. ]Barish, andMAr. Babingdon; as emi- enrt exatples of thehigh irtinlectual attainments developed under heir prtsent s stemn of ed'uca,tion. So high was lime estimation -ini which MrAhBaisngdor. wai,hhld in India, that.when be lost his life y e effect of an accideht4l fire which he assisted in ektineuisin. iti Pa >n,, iWqcarhedicpdt i,dj otae ifdn,to t1t 'Hule ~~~~~~~~~~hth Z.192, 176vs-r.