House Of Commons, Monday,...
The Times, 1824-03-23T00:00:00

A 'person tron the office ofthe Secretatry tor Ireland appeared at the bar, and presented certain papers connected wvith the " returns of first fruitsin Ireland." General (0ASCO(.YjNXE presented a petition from the ehurchTwar- den% and select vestry ot'the parish of Liverpool. against the bill for providing further accommodIations for the Judgies at the Lancaster assizes. After a few words from Lord STANLEY, thc petition was laid on the table. -\Jr. S. RICE presented a petition from certainf noblemen and gentlemen, resident iu Ireland, praying for an act to incorporate thlem into a joint stock comp.ny tor draining lands in Ireland; and another petition for leave to ;ring in a bill for the tbriner purpose.- L,eave was given; and thle bill ineorrating the mining company brou,ght in.-Rcad a first and second timne. :Mlr. C RE.NFEIL obtained leave tl bring in a bill for the con- strucrionogf we docks ir se parish of St. Botolph, Aldgate and ,Mr. H. SUMNER brought in the Haimniersitittih and the St. Catlierine stispension bridges bills, which were read a first thile. Sir E. KNATCH BULL presented apetition from an indivictual at Greenwich. complaining,that whertas lie had obtained a bill, and hzad some time stnce purchased a certain quzuntity of land, for the purpose of laying (town the nesessary mains and pipes for lighting the ton of Grecenwich with gas, lie now discovered that a biht had been brouight before the houise, aind was it) progress, to authorize a certain comnpany, to be called the Greenwich Gas Company, to effect the same purposes. The petitioner, therefore, represented the hard. ship of his, ease, if suclh bill sliould be allowed to pass. Mmh. H. StvNrixsin, M-r. Alderman S-tITFt. and Air. l)D tsoe, havimtg ofliered some observations on the subject. thie petition was laid on th table. Mr. HOr,m E Sl'.\ NER presented a petition from certain owners, of lanris on the banks of the rhames, praying f1r leave to present a petition for permission to build certair, docks, south of the Tlihames, and below L'ndrin-brilge. illr. NV. S.11 TIJ moved for leave to bring in a bill for the making I tunnel ulides the heil of die Thame4, frorti St. .7ohin's, Wapping, to Rotherhithe, OnT the opposite shore.-.Leave granted. Sir EDV A RD KNATCH BU13L presented four petitions from the county of TKent, against the Greenwich gas bill. Sir .JOHN NE \VPoRTr brought up apetitioti, praying for leave to present a petition for the inicorporation of a companv to be called the " Royal Irish 1llining Company."-Leave given. Sir W. GUISE obtained leave to bring in a bill to authorize the erection of a plavhouse in the town of Cheltenham. tolonel )DAVIES-presentedapetifion from the Wllorcester Im- penal Gas Company against the Worcester Oil G&,a Company bill. Sir H. PAR NELL p resented a report from the comntissioners of the llolvhead roads.-Ordered tobe printed. Lord STANLEY tiresentei a petition from the boot and shoe- trakere oe (we believe) Lancaster, against the hide and skins' bill. -Otdered to lia on the table; as were two petitions presented by the same noble lord, from Roehdale aod )ldhami agairst n*gro slavery. EXCISE l CEN CES. Petitions were presented against the dInty oin excise licetices from the licensed victuallers ot Ru:nsey bv MIr. Pt .ENxi .n from.tbose of Northwich (in CIheshire), by .Mr. DAy EViNOjR. front those of Worcester, by I-ord DEERHI-tRST; and Ironm those of Liverpoot, by General C AsCOy.-E. In presenting thme petition from tuie li- censed victuallerm of Liverpool, General GAscoY-N-E took the op- porln!itv of asking the Chiancellor of the Excheqiuer whether his V.ajeat y 's i Ministers were ready withl any measure on this.subjeeL-? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER repeated what he had said on a former occasion, in reply to another hon. member, that tihe subject was under consideration, and that in a sbort time lie would be ready to state the result to the house.-The petitions were laid on the table. Lord ALTHORP presented two petitions from (we tid not bear the rnames of the places), against slavery.-Ordeted to oe en. the table. On the motion of General (lASCOY-Eg, there wa5 ordered to be I laid before the house, a return.of the nuniberof prisoners _bd causes tried in the county of Lancastertfr the last seven years, disdnguish. ing the hundreds to which each belonged: also an account of the sumns of money paid in each year to the under sheriff, as the expenses of the judges' lodgings, from the earliest period to the pre. sent time. a3 far as the same could be made out. * ZRISH L[NEN-BOUNTq'STE. Mr. A. ELILIS preesnted a petition from Tipperary, against thel repeal of the bounties on Irish linens. He would take this opportu- nity of askiIng the Chance)lor 6f the EXchequer a question oh this subject- He wished to know, whether it was the 'intention of the. right han. gent. to press tlse gradual repa:l of those bounties in the manner he had alreadg proposed. He simse'.f,'though a frienrd tol thosc principles of free'trade on which the right lion. gentletnah had professed to act, could not, nevertheless, look with indiffecence upoti tel pieeEc whlich they were likely toproduce in their application to' Ireland in this stahnce. ' 'lrsboad be ' ieiollented. tat.the-parde5. who would bi muo3t affected by the nicasure were withmout-c.aital, andt\at the abghtes? check would ruis their trade altogether. He would . uggest,rhat if the boutities weie to be reduced, it loi.ild' be by a tentn n each year for the next tens years (as we understood the. hon. meitnber.) The CHANCT,l,O f theEXCrIEQUERisaid,th3tbewoald be readY to sacrifice for a short eme therieid prindpleaupon hiels it Was intended to act; if he thought that in the present instance it- Yomild be productive of the good which the hon. intember had alluded to ;-but without-going into the question at.preseprt, he did not bhino-. that the suspension of the repeal of the bounties, or the repeal of them in the gradual manner which the hon. -mnesiber had suggested, wottld baproductive of the results he hat-aniticipated. -If it appeao.: ee that the parties in the south of Ireland enin1arkedl int the trade. (of ioarse linen) only for the salce of the bounty, he believed the hen. membe, hinmself would not advocate 'the suippoxt'of a trade on such a principle. 'Under all these circmtnstaicis, he. Aaw no reason to departfrom the plan.hehad originally proposed, whicb wvas, that - the bounties should retnain as hey were until January, 182&, a-nd that afterwards thty shbotld be reduced by one-fifth ini each year fir the:next five years; at the end of which time they should cease . a., tokther. . Mr. EB.ELLIS said, it %vas hard 'on thcrpeopie of the sdc6thb'of Ireland; who had enjoyed tbeadvantages ofthoa0bounti3!ol'lyfor a year or two, while tliose iii the. north had e'njoyed them for the J%sti 31) years. ;Sir J.'NEwPO rT-and Alt. C.-H. HUTCMVSOv deprcCated -the sufrden 'teductldh of:the bouf:ics,s 'The 1Ltter 'hon-'.mgimber'Adddd, -that by the repeal, whole families of industrini pekasants, who, were at h1resent en,eaged irt Lhis trade, and comparativelT coOtetnted and happy m having such einploynicwt. woata be 3gain tlirow up'oti the world altogether destitut-o' the mrane-of stipporL. Sir R. FERGrUSSON hopetl that the ('hancellor of the Exche- qoer wvould persevcre in carrying into ect t4 e plan ' h'e Had propomirided. : -he)ai hi ehd AIr. CALORAtz4FT admittcddthat the system of bounties was bad in prtnciple, bitt he theught thae it-ought to be-continued for a defli.- nite period with reg,ard tof -Ireland, beeauge it promoted the employ. ment of a large spoinon of' the ipopttlsaion of that coquntrytS.. . Mr. V. FIERALD expressed a a5a-niler opinion, . T he petition vwas.ordered to lie on the table. Mhr. T. WILSON presented 4 petitiots from cetin deaers in rwine In the citli: U. -)t,~eamf r 1se-yieilcti6n-bf 'le dity1 _on1 im5ported wines. hnessd tli(i &~etto some remarks which had' flJLn from .t(NjeChaneeIoi o'-the iEXCch~-7 quer JA yeas, ,th pere5ofltcuwci d ith the-wine trade had. ex- pected- tiat the' riizg h bA. g4ft. 4oofs this '@Essou haw'POPPICKI the redluction of the duvies on foreign winesa. 'Wfe cbtild' agsu*fe hfe'rig'It~ flo'ji:gofnv.that veryigreac euxtryt yjas. fel,on Ohe ~Ubje~t- tIfrodilibllit. the- boahntry."- -wir'e wouild haye-tbe ffec4 pf increasiigthie revenue. He wih~ hhL subje pt-to. be e~efei+tdd tdJ tiile committee- bx 'forgigRn mde, for cpiisi: Thc CJlAINit LOR -fMe'EXGI1EQU8R, ws&oa 'a-oy to lheat- -that personii copeteredwith tlie wipne-trade hail 6pesienried7hy in- CQnvenieace fidm fieii'prs& they' ' had taken -ip,, that hg during the -pii~sent sla,ison tbcall'the ttention-of Parliament to the. -subject of the dutizLq on.wm'ea,, 14iihe lwst'8ay,~ thlitrhey'had- gra- to.itously broiight.lag iwconvenience 'on t1wifselves. 'Nothing had hver fallen 'feomh is 'lip's Ihj ~ha't-hooheti, oi inianv -cominun icle; dion tl'athbe had'" ha rh~~~jeie t1te *ine-tntde,which -could 1 let4 anybod)- S o suppo~e that. :hfe. itrAtpded- to' bring- the 4oation. of the -wine dutties, forward..this' seision 4s a .mb 'tter oY4oi~. Thelre wdijanne. eccision on.syhich The sobject wyas mcp tibAeli in that hiouse last'y-esr, and-he.rheri.srainaljy..id noidsii411s t4q d4ijliioh \iMhib he wMr'suni-ehe euitertainesd-in-comnion wuhb every, persoTn.wlith'il radhX.tiys upon ffe-tb sae bi 'te. revenue wdhich Waa .det'ivitd' rom .th6:..dpty oni winle *at'bynfri rmeans !qo'isiie,stisurte' with ttbat duty. (fear.) U9 wm 'alAr opriohc tbt4t thpc isonipfh Of wine dal detreAged lshiceethe' iit~ had Tbeeii.augmnenred, Tiis~ certainly, fliitiisb6l a: prinia 'facie ease- for.-thew reduction of Ithe -dut'y ;.'but whilst he adi~iiife(l thaf, be' 'lIph lat he *5a5 justifiedin reserving to hinmself.any'expresstonI of oiinas to what iaight or might niot be ~c fit tilme fOr Making tie rel:uctoion. T'hotfgh ir,dn ne areduction of the-8tnty wtould be -bene.. ffdial to the revenoo5i Tet it onixt at thtat b- attended * w-ith coinsider- abieoske&dssethe nCreaeOfcnxufptin wuldnot -iinimedisthIy be Y'ar-ge enougli so supply- the loss ocained by' the decrease o-diuty, and also'becasuse Government oldhave td mralke a con - sidmrble remission of-dut:v onr the swok in hand;l- H-e thoun_tht it wo~&nit b~ur eoncle na hitpart. it, 't thepe. oet whenOGovernment was ileln w ~tth her large braniches of i6te- r,e, aiid 'was Ma?im1r coWnsiderable (sacrifices, he aibstaiued - frdini zommio.tLie himsel oni matters of this kind, on- which it was imapos-. sibia to expre'S4 a decided opinion withotit e,cciidnp -ll sorts -of. ex-. pe&ations, ad tilrow'ng every tlhing itito utter confui,in. (I-lear.) Hle had-on a fotzrie; docasion endeavo-rared to shiow what-ought to be the policy fl&iGoveraum6rt and the lclisatttre 'to pursue but it was -impos'sible that Gov eramenticould.do ev eryvthinig. at once; (Hlear. heat.)' He thereiore hoped that he should b- e'xcused tiliom saying. any' thinp farthei on the subject alluided to in the petition,. Mr. A-LA C Oberve,' hatthecormuittee, ois foreign trande 'ba qute notjrhtodo ithut akig nto consideration the subjec-t of te wiOdnies.The etiion asten ordered to lieota the table. Mr. T WlL'ON puseotil apcitiri fronti thte dealers in -wool in th cit of ondon praing hat heaine-indulgeilcips wbic'eiliad bee grnte tothesil innufcitrer, ijght be extended to theni. Mr. B COOI'ERasidut ew wordsin support of'the petition. arid Corporation of the-Conmpany of the Staple of England. Thiebhon. memiber observed,' that the Pet itiorners were not ven' troublesome to ithe house, dii,, beijig thelflrs,p~ttil6ti 'which tbeylisti'presented since Air. T. WVI LStON pre8ented a petition from the nianufacturers of tallow candies in the city. of L-ondon, prayinig for the repeal of the' duty on tallow. .- Vr. 'F. BUXTON preseated - a Petition, signed by 7.1011 of the trihiabitant,; of the~ patish of Bethnal-green,- against 'the inea-- sures which hiad beeni proposed by the Chiancellor respecting thie silk tratle. The lion, mnember stateti, that the petitioners eXpressed their grtituide to the riglit hionm gentleiman foir havngPostponed the day of their destructioni til 182tl,and pr-ayed tl~i hi would be pleased further to oapnit till I89 M Air 11.DAI presented a petition froni certain personas inter. ested in the silk-nuade in Bristol, praying ttiet Parliamient wouldI be pleased to grant a remissioti of the dfuty on the stoek of silk goods on hand. ' Sir J. ASTLEY presented apetitioni from. Pobert Gourlay, cons- plaining 6f the present systemn f poor-laws. 3Mr. FiTZtiIBBON presentetd a petitioni froni the weavers of Cashel, prayiing for tlke continuance of the bounties on 'Irishi linen. THE ASSESSED TAXES. Sir E. IL. EAST presented a petition -from the inhabitants of' WVinchester, praying for the repeal of the assessed taxes. A AIEmBEss whose namuiewecould not learn, spoke in soipportsof th eito,le said, -thzit~ daring the short ti'me he 'had sat in tha't hiouse, he liad seen a wonderfutl dit4inclination on thec part of those -who irnu-esd taxes to takec them) off again. Air. CALURAFT rose to prsenct a petition from- the retail silk- miercers of lVestminster, complainingi, that bv a, consntri~tion which was put by the Commissioners of Customs' upoti thie TIreasury re- solution of' the Ilthi of Mlarch, respecting the drawback, upon silk, the wee dpried f te bneft iitededfor the trade by that re soluion Thy hd alarg strk n hnd,in pieces of 170 andl IdO yard, an it as te pactie fo thetrae to cutt off what wvits calledi the ag-nd,to gndroun aspatern toceistoiners in coniseqluence of whch te comissinersdecied tat suchl liiecci -were lint un-cut,"-2a word which they adlded toihe resolittion of the I Ith of Marclb. $itrely these retail traders were intended to be included in thie arrangement provided bT rlho resolution of the house. The riband weayers of Coventry were mnore fortunate, thiroughi the zeal anti skill of thecir honoisrable membier, for they had surcceeded in getti ng the drawback of twopence a yard suton their j?ieces, niot woirthi more than three shillings. He really hoped that the hardship of Lhese retail silk-mereers would be 'considered by the Chancelor of the Exchequer. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHiEQUJER hoped thuit the dlisuctssioii of this mieasure would, be reserved for the commiiteeewhen the pro-posed measure, he hoped the applicationi of' the petitioners would befuilly andnmaturely considered. They wanted nothitigbut tairness, and a due consideration of thei cos ait The petition sras broughit up, and laid o letbe ,,or,( CIFTON piesented a petition fromn Gravesctittl, against slav-ery. Mlr. LENNIARD presnted a petition from Ely, aggainst thle Ii- censed victuallers' duties. LA BOURING CLASSES. Lord JOIHN RUSSELL presented two petitions against the coal1 duties .anid the noble lord gave notice, that on Thursday next he wvouldi sove for the appointment of a select comimittee, to take into consideration the condition of the labouiring classes. WlOOL TRADE. SirT4OMAIAS b3TH BRIDGE presented two petitions fronti wool~traders in Somersetshire, pray'ing for the beniefit of the draw- backss-upon their stock on hand. He wislhed to know wbat were the intentions of thie tight lion, gentleman oii the subject of these idrawbacks. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCIHEQU3ER replied, that hii, intentuoti waa, insteatl of imnmediat-ely reduicing die duty, to adopt die suigzestions. of the mierchants and manutfacturers, which were, to reduxce the duty, at twvo distinct periods-namely, to take off' 3d. per lb. on the Od of Septemlber, and thie remaining 2d. on thle 12thi of December. Under these ctrcumstwices, he proposed to allow no drawback upon stock on hand. On the motion of MNr. Jo-i,Es, the WeIsh judicature bill was esimmitted p -o for,nia, -and the fuirtber consitheration postponedl until Fritlay next. THEF SILK TRAPE.- The CHiANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUERt moved the order of' the day For the co;iiiuittee on the silk trade bill. Mr. WM. SMITH said, that he had a petition fromn his consti'. tuients on this subject, but onderstandin that they st.ere ready to trust tllei- c-ase to the. details which zhse Chancellor of the Exchequer intendled otntroiiusce, hie would not present it at that moment. The house then resolyed itself into- a comtoaittee upon the silk trade' bill, and counsel Were called in, and heardI at the bar, in behalf of- the petitioners agaiinsft re bill. Air. HAR tI.S90o open'ed their case. Hie r6citcd the various acts of P'arlianient by which the trade had, up to t'he p resent time, been- regulated; a,nd ~onnended, that. fo'r yeairs the trade in this country would be uinequal to compete with tue foreign ma~nufacturers-first, becauise of the difference in the price axnd regulationk of labouir; so- condly, In-the cost of the raw material ; and thirdlv, in the expense of' wiaiebinery. Hlepointed ourthtledisaavantag!es wder which thie ri- dabh inanufacturerslaboured under these several heads z aiid inform- ed the comnmittee,7 that lie was ready to c-all witnesses to the bar in- proof of the positions which he had Lid down in his speech. The counsel was then ordlered to withdraw. . -Several clauses of the bill were then aereed to withiout disruassion. On the clausei "< allow,jing silk-manufactcores for exportation 'to be wiirehoi'sed anld bountv' allowred uhitter Certain regulations," being Pitt to dhe cosanlittee tiv Mlr. Bitotanis,p The'Cti A NVRLLOR of the EXCH EQUJER, referring to thle petition wlich had been presented -by the honourable mnember for Watehamn, praying thut'the bounty mright be allowed upon goods that'werd etit, amiwelisas popn-those 'which -were -uncut. observed, tliat;hee -ad no objection. to'allo-O the boanty iupon 'Sill, goods that were in entire pieces, or tupon such as bad--been only-cut for the puir- poso eofexhihiithig.pattergi~sthiereof. HetcherefNiTernoved, that af~tr the Parenihiesis contaitiing. the words " not. -being l'ess i'n uuait'ity than thtese hiundred -p~outiids weight," these be. added the follo-ing words,' " and in entire pieces, of sguch as 'have been- only cut for ex.. hihi'jing-patterna thereof."' ---- 'Ar.'CALCRAFTitlianked the right loxralgentlerrodo for A6h liberality with 'whiCh -he had listened to~ one pirrof the -piroposi. ihon!wbich fie'-had suggested ; and crusted that he whusld also- ex. ~q(it to thle otlhei- NfVwul lm pieecs of' 3O' ards; thoutgh cut,, tci,akelhfiiighg%f o'Cthe bounty hq Ivnd giv geat' tsa- tion):ttu -silk.trads .abil.wonldtl settle 'a, questoio wvhkh, 'at tchis .1110tient, wa3sfnot uniatended Wtitfi Ceniidera'bVWdificulty. .Ai-WA LACE could Tnot eonsent to- allow -this -bounty to lie(ies wvhich haa been'iuff5i the'llpdrposNd of nale.' Besida-e, the al- owiny, this boumsy to iecesef-3Qyadsd, aCid ~denying it to pieces at .5, 1fl,Sr 15 3hrdhs woi d be gmntitig a bdne. itlith'e'large-afiawith- hol JUM:l i,~ i& titialldSealers. - - -- ~i. Alak;rw.n WOOD. spoke in' fvou'rof'The ~roliosition'of Mr. -GalcrtLfr., - -- :..Mr. Aldernnhia'THOMIPSON said, that if the -hon.-meiuber for Warehamn dlid -not move an amendment to the purport of his speech, he4'ertainN wold-. :'-'-- : - - - ' i - ' 'ir2BIRCH 'waM of bp.nioh that the relief intendled'to be-given-by- this cd use oulab-used,ul o ly tn tl'&d1aer,' andxhbt' t6 the public. l;ordAiA lAPMI-.TON3Nobserveol, that the statepent,ofrtheb.i6n- ftliber;wliohtad:-jtst-sat'dotr wnent. to justify-tbe Chancellor.'of the j.xchequer in remuovinig all boufties *11attotVer. Ple did not thinktheregulation, now proppsedosas of such-a nature as would ef- fect the whole object'which the right-hon .gentlenmats intended.- ' t ought to'hav down somec principle; some%fistincdve linie, -and -to abide by it. LJe said,h-e wohld aditi cut rtrticles to draw the bounty. NoW he asked weheer tbet wvas -tv spe*fic 'qiintity upi to . which lie oauld allow the boxntv to be paidY- When- the right -hen. gen- .tledlsta~dte hgrihe wplud grant the bouttq o remnants, ie (Lord eA. hatntlt"n) did'not -,zow h ' etiffti"d to the *ard - hMr.--W. \'Lll';WS saiQ the hon. ineiber. r6d; Nditingharn , iilr: Birch) was not a2tafl incon"sisent in theargutinent he bdtusedl. HiX asstrtion-viss; ttat t'tbi-4fa*bhe. -oWmid Ube-nf rlo servicu to the ilnIhic, but would ben'didt the mrener .w.h ould thf . -.t anoIint di lisapocket.. .He was pecisely of the sane opinion. The r'nercer's profit- was nt-prresotsoconsidetable, that on large order-lee%criI4 a eteZd.or d. per-yard, andnotsell ataloss; and iby this -pro, ksoit they wete -abost'to incresme,his profit. lie -conceived.tie tn eAsuf a oie'silty-iitio Xied WY^asa teise one; and, fullyimptessed -wit1 that idea, the Chbncellor'of the Fxchequer Aihopld hare hIs strenuous support. -I hsisopinion, that right-hon. gent. .hsA.hVei too-anxious to-meet the--ahet of those Ewo opposed this measuro. an4 h:e. ibdh jtvu''v'rehmth bcfif he ha,dstood-flrnilv |on thep'roposicibon firstr'nade totbat house. ltlwouldbe wiss Iofaiina farthter concessions, but to act uptsothat which teemed to be JUSt to- ward6 allipattie. The rigbt honourable gentleman must know, that it was totally impo6siblep ple^e every body. ((Hear.) He ought to ~.f a.grat ~riri6iple, 4isd bid eico sin Byi, i~jufyi'thcgenraisdantgeof his co0trst-~ he wouId be 4itcon adtheapprobatiou and gratij. If1 dsteestedj gT,iaid,thattheargiEunent of'it4e hionourable ChAijc,)1or f the Exchequer ought to adhiere to hisi fir-st piopostinon, belit go'o5o i~bid: (bN''i2)Tl oqi. memiber 6nghtt, boliev~. to rcl'c,lu'teChanrcellory-of the"Exchequer.a b aud ady a r4e hisjilli .Te tii ~toroffregsssik -was,to have eomntenced'on th9 ~t of July 84'; bi she-~ i ft lon itleniatv had reconsidered'1 t,m~ter cu, t' cnfomit wih rpt'senstins Which badl been-' madt t llrb i'tls.t b~lqt, diinoh~ionofforei~h silk wasa4nt.. vonedtill-JbIv, ~... ~ ~5tbl -beurrgiven bv-the 'o hExcbequer.-" The honouirablemnhrad fiia ~-4lt heterr coolsfifffd; oti lar-ge otders;tLogs it 3dor 4d.-n tbe. yard; '-Whaft, then, would be the effect, if ths' drawbatk were-i sUyed? Wh he ivbuld :then be ~Vdablk to. abate- Id;- Opt l1i. pierz ( ( a," hetr)' 'le' hloped tthe righlt .honcour.. zable gentllemrin wuld~ caritV his measure, of reli,ef a little fArther,'and thiat it would b-e e'xtended to reminants of' silk, consist- inghf 311 6r'0 rds'Hehad iiont~erest what-soet'ef jn;l~fii ttade'; anti it7westld'Ve obeiived tha~t she jietitio'i wh'ich hohai- presenteeaJ praved That the dlrawback. might bie ll~i,wed dio 'the ijuausitimof 25 yards, Whlieres he-was willing that-st should no&g~s lflow)4 M 1r,U, W rUALTAIIfSnever had argued that the Chaticellori of the Vxdchque~- should persist so 's mreaSUse, w,hen once brouight in,. whethr-it ~s 'iht or wvrong l-ee hdd slatedi tnd lie woiild'again' stat'tht reriht ion.jetfleianhadalitxousl Y atmended to allI paries Hehadcoceted orethn ehough , and the-'more these 'wds -on~cdts-l, 'e m,ght restassured Of it, -the: m.uote .wtild e dmarrted HethbTd e ahamed of hilmself if he acted1 lie somne of thlose p eislenmen who we-re ciiatinilallv goading minis- ters to gdopt the piinciple of' ftee andi unfettered trade,' bu,t whod; the .momenItunr. at tempot iaas misd&'to a,ft tiponthat priniciple, iruincdiatelv' turned rounid anjd thwarted t e aue?ituedt b evers' senaine hi power. lie believed thle measure~ pioposed ri-y inistefs 'were cal- culats'd to 4serve the best intemets of she counitry ;and, impressed with tibt feeling, be should be 'ashamed of himsqelf if he' did itt give therm hishbuimble bitt strenuous support. - (Hear.) 'Afrer'it few wort!s firomn Mr. CAL_CIS_AXT,_ r. Hsj'uEjj, M1r. BA- 'n.iNG, andst),Me T VIWissoz , the ainendine-t of tile Lilancefllo of the Bxchoqe reav osl,"ctfor thle purpose of e'clibitizig patterns," wes. carried. . - * Mi.RVJiTEM theninovel-shat the followingwordsNhould be adlded iifter the-word " patterns"- "or in piecea, being cuAt not less than 30 vs,rds in length. . * 'M. B.iRl?O su pased he aendmnt. Equal. protection. shoud beexteded o al reroiisu th 't Aestd it sholuld nos be' ing snt tOhe wsehousd, isshoud he n,leasured oni the spot, bs' Excisboflicer I'he xsisier wold ihui 'be re'Iicvetl 'frum the risk of having hi., silk stained, and also from thei inconvenience WhiCh Must Irise troin his b,singl tenmn,raril rs deprive~d of lhi, st ock. Th0e Cf1ANCFl1lAJRof the EXCIIEQU'EB said; thie. para- I mloutni difficulty inl this, ase bail beet, to ca~rry the prtnciple intLo effdtt withl as little 'ilcnenienc asposible tsthe deaters. lfethe suggestioni of thle honi. 'gentleman were 'adopted, thev wouli lie obliged to send cussosii.iehuse othicers toi everv town in sIte king-. doni, and he knev tinot where they wvere to find thenm. .Officers hpd' b-een sent to N'ottinghtam. becauise the silk-manufacture was car-led 'on thiere, and they hiad al-o been stationed af all the sea- ports. Persons, therefore, who were included in his amlendmnent, icould naturally' finut their wav to the officersi at the nearest itatioii. It was qjuite clear, that iii proportion as tiny extentledi thie tanLe of: thiis bounty, thiey tiiust irtultiplyl the ditficulties whichi opposed the carrving of tbe WIause into effert. * Mc. 0. I'llIIAPS, supported the amendment. Mr. R. S311IT askeid whether there was any inode be~ wlichl it could- be ascertainied whether silk had been cut for patternis or f'or sale ? Mr. H-ERRIES' saLid, that on tie first inlstance the declaration of the' dlealer would be takrin. If a (dou1bt arose,' ani appeaul would he- made to persons experieticei. in the tradle, WhO* wusild, in rv-fy V dfiajuted case, lie cidlesl 00 to decidle. According t6 this aimenlm(ileni, every curt piece of' silk miuss be niieastired e nd, he believed, tie' dleaier wouild mutch ratiser be savesi the consequent troubleiand. loss of timne, than claimn the bountiy. - AlIr. C,ALURAFT. said', there was nothing coixipidlsorv in the amiendmyent. If the bouinty woultdoot repay the trouble of measur.. itig, of course thie meircer would niot demantd it. After a few observations froin Mr. Batotut' and lilr. Bi; Tvxn- R WORTHJ in support of' the airncudniepts, the comminittee divided, whien thtere appeared- For tie aisienduiienit, 301) Against it. 711 f Majority, -Id On our re-admission to the galleryr, w,e foundl llr. EILLICE in.. quiring, with refbetncue to a questio'n which he had asked on a f,ir. mer evening, howv the 'right hon. zent. meanit to deal with dlyed silk The CHIANCELLOR of thie EXCHEQUER believed lie hiad mnisundlerstood the lion; gentleman whien hie had formierdi pitt the question. 'If he no.w utiderstood himn corrcectly, lie alluded to or- ganzine silk, dyed; and fie (tie Chancellor of the Exchequer) could see no reasoi, why organzine silk dyedi should be dealt with diffe. runtly fromn any other silk, that hatl undergone thie saine process. Oii readling thie clause which ailuuit(s the iiiportation of fobreign silk after the 5th of' July, 1826, on the Paymnent of 301. for every 1001. value of the silk so'inported, Mr. BARING rose to usoes-, as ani aimendmient, that tke ymeriodl' shosultd be extenided fron the 5th of July, 18,20, to the 5th ou Jutly' 1829, funniing a period of five years, as was ptoposetd by thie peti- tioners on thiis occasioni. The' hon. tuiensber for ieyitoosithi (Mr. \V7. WVilliamn) wa ulo unciation5 against those who wisheA. to alter thi bil, whto, lie asserted, were act iug contrary to thie prin- ciples of' free trade; but the truthi was, thzere was nio f'ree tradle adopted in nitis case. Thie trade remiainied shackcled in every possi- ble way. The lhouLse were misitaken ifthttey supposed that the prinl- w ere " - I lfg irincittles tor lecarrie~d int e`Miet, 'I2~tth"'igit.' to ppiest all eases, instead of being confined to onie. WVoolelens, linens, &c., ought to be treatedl in the same manner. M1-inisters had,- - however, tisade an exhiibition) of thie principles of free trade with re.sPect to thisi particular article, though it was known -and. adImittedi that at all tillcs this, country laboured tinder great disad- vantages with referenice to' this trade. Tue lion- gentleiant proceedede to contenid, thiat tlse silk-manufiicturers generally were hostile to thez' mieAsure propiosed, althlough some were temipted, by the imniediasA boi.unies, to givec a species of assent to it. Thie throwsters, particu-: larly, were bribed by the prresent advanntae, inato shotiattrg'their ey.,s to dlie evils whichi eventually would fall tipon the 'tra'de. Vt itli respect to the chane of opinion imqputed to him, no sucht change liael, i n fact, tk-en pi3Ce. Ile was a friend to the prnciple of free trade, if the counitry cotild havt a free trade it, enerl; lnt wy shuld e paticuilarly have a free trade, in ilk whch oul ber tat rragement worse th.in aniy othercommdity? He as ctisplledto say, thiat rite meas%ure haa been is-sughtforivad witha genech 'derth intbffrnuation as to the rea efect ri it Heuniersoodtha te throwsrer in Italy woulti be able to throw his silk finir shillings in the poundl weight cliehsPer thun the same trader couild dlo in Englanid. He slidl not kiiow liow this difference arose; but it was imuportants in ibe case. The bon.. geutlemsan then toad an extract of a letter written by the comfisittee 'of th-esilk-trade in Derbv, to thie committee of the a'dk-t'ade ifiilondjn, I e~prssig ahope 'that whien 'the time -ciaine the Chancellor ofteEchequer woiuld grant a t'srther respite to the adrgiision of French sik,if such :a coutrse slioulul be found desirable anai inited fron ti hence that the silk niefi generally)) asetd t the new measure, did it in hiope of' getfirg at its present boanties, ahid escaping ita ultimate executioii. In~ concitision, fie tab;ected partictilarlv'to the mime-two year atid a half-fixed by tlii- Chan- cellor of th'r Exchequer for adiuliting the foreign article. .Bethouight that the delav ouglht to be either greater or less, and rather withi' a view of recor'ding liis opinion thani from any expectatuon of'havirie hisamenidment aidopted, lie shoild' inove to adid thiree yeer.r, to th~e terml now proposed, and say, for the year 18328, the yea-r 1829. MnR. GORDON observetl, withi respect to free'tradle, that every body wvas for it in the general ; but hr was toa aptob opp sels soon as it touchedI one's own interests, or those of one's conistituients. 'He decidedly oppose-l the amendmnent. -The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUTER ilidi not rise, at such a time, to disNcuiis the principle of the bill, but he denied that' the iqipretssion of the silk trade, in the main, was unfavotirablfe t it. The right hohr,urmble gesttlensan thten quoted a letter froin a boily' of silk.mantufacturers ~at Derby. expressing' their general reatliiness to mrke the trial, as'proposed. by the bill, althoughi the-re wert some tradiers certainly, whao feared the foreign coinpesition; and As second letter from the silk. trade of Mvanchiester, desiring in the stroget' teruiiy that Government would mot suffer itself to he diheart%ene by the; opposition which wvas mnade to the, measure. Wvithi respect to the alarms whichi the bill Nvas said to be exciting throughiout thiis country, hie wouldt jttst ci;ure the 'houise-he had it from-good aurthority-ithat it -was producing 'a great dteal of tilrill iin France. He simply s-tated the fatet as it- came to himi, Without at- temipting to draw any, ilufernc fr .~but,' however i sur traders igt be distressed as te i'dea bfsthe'F`incW~sjliarreetirfg thiem-in the mnarkets of- this country, the, French silk nianuf4cturers were 'ver aeiousy aprehnsie ofthi coserluence of-oufr silks mneetingI Mr. ARiN re'eatd, tat tosewho coasentetl.to the unlessume wetc; isld b' adesre or he resntbounties: . Mr. . BXTO sad, suitsheiigt hois. Chancellor of'the Ex- cheqer hd nt toche- upn t endmeunent Of the honorirable omeniber frTut.He thojught the working mauntfcstiurera were -fairly'enititledtils eaension of tivme proposed: HIe was aneneimny sto hastily throwing of in favour of aiev TiripcipIehof political eco- anomyc, shbe'ld rules under which the cons-ry had arrived at'itta p sent'height'of weaith and greatness. (Heaf heisf t'rom rHue. The hononrable mneissber fo)r Aherdeeti 6hseerd:' 'Well' If -thiat Arirrimhs 'iaad'no weight', he would proauce-one; whith'Pslsdulbh be cbiidlusive with thie -hoporiable member foir Aberdeen.--if.-the 'hlies- ofte.ufcues-were a~sentell to, he undeestood that wore wlling o -giv all dawback, andl to have the. x~r i posd bea~ rcn i' nsalent) orthree years. Thei %iri'liac ansuhtd t. fiOO00, nd he ut to7siJ,OOi, s-tat by this- the( the London isade shou?d hear cdtiipeciiomiulas itnpogsibh& 'le agreed with his honoutable friend the member for. Taunton, flMt. it wo4ulc be desirablel to give time to the mtana-facturers to prepare for tbis grat hlangen'Dow proposed, in tbe ,ilk 4eade& The PFench -loden's were oti all sides allowcd-to'be superior t'od' lhose of'I,ancashirc, and great expense tnd delay must be - encountered.in -counstructniir new rnachinery; Half a year, or a whole one, ought to be aTlowed, 4nd, befOre the whole df the time should expire, thete ought to be a total ZcpOal of the Spitalfields acts. ' .lr. C. 1VYNN explained the conduct of the Boara 6f Coxtrol in' having refted di e application of a younggentleman spoken tuono a .pre'ious night, to-be ailowedtio go out.to the Last Itidies to trade- in i)lr. HAIIDIMAND apps'ovedof -any 'approach.to a really free' tta0e, He beheved, that if the silk-triade xore- -thrown -open, -there would shortly be expertations of silk to Italy'-as s here;Iwereyenady. .xlorts of muslin to India- so extensive that the greaser! ai t of tbe Scotcbh niaisufaetsueres *vere kept in constant cirployment by theni. . Ilr. LITTLIET(N5oribehalfof the silk-xtade of Stafftrdshire, disownesh anv participation in the compromisd offWerMdy the hon: -mesnber tor -anntorf s nt that thev would.obect to tshe -extension of fn e, if given so them, but thilvWould riot give-up the rernission of 4u ices pronaise~d thlem, tg objtaih it:. ' ' lt. ELiLIC>E:' exfsreseed a sirnilar disavowal. ou .bhalf of the 'Ccvetitrqy; iilk'men.' He-eas'ofopin on that the ultimate success of .this 'and othe~r nieaisure like.it, tto'st'lepehd iibon the aprlicatior' of th prindiples of free.trade to the- articles offod oasto acblsh an 'sxilee,iec petition' baetween t-she prices of labour. here ad.Qo 'the copunent. ' ' . - .. Ir. A-Idnrm1an.'SQMPSO'.T ivai ko'y pOtitpopfiiigtlte 'opciation *oF he measutre till-October, so as to'secure-the. iaauts*tt's abl dealers in the traneacti ds of th sumamer trade -- - Afr. Alderman BRIDGES said a few words. The amendment was rejected without a diyision. . - cr;d ldr hftle4u.er p-o AI the meaiTure froun the.nioni'tit frfF ,iiey, .T, ,jlIo&obcrin te: garne;ybar.' -' '' rh'NtP b'A^XEbLOR,pfe ,.?9H?,WEQUER -w,s- aftaid .tD ' concq.the iq ues.?*Phedi4Ql g a olIer'pp2; catiotm of' th an aue .>., ., ,,, , -. . .. ... ?he origincl ci.'. 'v then carxied...SIbe. Xaus r ~esu tB:,4fi reppnr twa ordered fo:6.?r4ve-d tO-Thoroth'.................G, , 'Tahereport ot7h, pittoe of Sdppty WvaR broght up,: ant the. hoiise agreed s,o,9be 6Adtirtdns.: t - .. . . ; * 'Fheyo?r q*s6ie,dy vr tlren disposed of, and the houn,. adjourned at rW*BL5st ~ *.* .. ......... . . . tIOUSE OF COMMONS, MThD.AY. MARCH 22.