House Of Commons, Monday,...
The Times, 1824-03-09T00:00:00

- 'IC OrEAKER took the chair at the uaj hkor. ' I Mr. S.g CEbronght'inabill for incorporting the Hibemian Mlining Compan3 , wtiich was read a first timne. Ir. HA 'I AVIS brought in a bill for enabling the corpora. tion of Bristol to alter the town dues and Mayor's dues, which was read a first timie. Mlr. r. SUMNER obtained leave to bring in a biUllfor in-czp rating a second pas.light company in the borough of Southwark. Mir. W. PEEL pres3ented a Petition from the victu&faleTf.Tsr,t worth against thc excise lienmces, He took the opportityn btiisk- ing, though in the absence of the Chancelloi of the Ecleqixuer If it was the intention of rninisters to reduce the Londondute oncufm,j equa pro oron with the duty on coals ? llr. 1ERRIES undertook to answer, xo far as stitiag that the auty on Lodonga cboalos woucld bne ibrought as nar2 ar __flbeot. rare of duty paid by other counties.th thire, again-st negro al*a'ver. a in Erby. re.7r MagNSFIExLD prePcsnecneted a petition from the ictuller 4*f .Vanoua p s?gpryaeted fr-in fersda ruoicerd' mn thie iDktriAeupem iesnbecr.iftbe intEnded ripealof probibitions, sad thc tucS on .of-wstiea on raw,4silk.-some of them directly against thomen ..msoh trying r time to intervnne before teir adoption-nd soif for an a Atowaneeto the duties for the stock on hand. . - I .-- Mr, AI UNDY psemied a ptido4 from the silk-throwaters and weavers in the cSunty of D urpot t. Lord GEORG] Mr. EGINiTON presertd aimilar ptition from Sandbach, in the county of Cheater. Mr. DAfVENPORT presented smDilar petitons from the silk- men and fhm the corpottioa of the borough of 'CnFeton. MAr. BLACKBURNE presented aimilar petition from the silk. men of Msanchester. Mr. MABERLY sid, that it wras striking ta observe the anxiety which the intended alteratious in the silk-lsw had created out of doors, which was not only manifested by the petitions pre- sented, but by the.crowiling of the London tran?esmen and weavers about the psuages of the houe. The bon. gentlemen on his side of the houe had beescorstsnt in.theik demands on the.Government for a reduction dfih*e;duUes on raw'produce, the removal of which was likely to leaito iW ?iddiignel tr te in the respective ma. nufacta isrs 3 lid, at length come into that view, and mea- sares were likely-to hesdopt'e accor&ing1y, to which the petitioners were opiposed. AS to 'the prohibitn ls they were no security; they existed but nomkinally; asnd, in sniu g'z transactions, they were overreached by paying to the unuggler the same amount of duty wrhicb wrould be hrRr paid to the G,overmment. For an insurance of 20 per cent., the smuegers introdnied and undertook to deliver at home, any quantity of Erench tproduce or manufactures. There- fore, one- of the mnost.polldc ad 'wise measures ever undertaken by minister was the dong awa with taye prohibitions - and he called on all his hon. friendso support the Chancellor of tbe Exchequer. Afr. HU8KISSK N paid, that it uught be convenient, in con. sequence of the absence of the Cncllor of the Exchequer, to state the course which would be taken with respect to the two great questions hicbh were likely to engage the attention of the house, to the postponement, as he supposed, of all other business. The first related to the ainual sugar duties, for the renewal of which it would ha his business to move, notwithstanding the absence of hiti right hon. friend, because they would otlerwise expire on the 24th inst., and therefore it was urgent thst they fhould come to a decision upon them,inot only with a view'to commercial regulationts, but Ialso in consideration of the publieservice, Which required the continuanceof those duties. Afterwsrds it wouli be his duty to propose in a com. mittee on the silk lawa, the retolution which his right hon. friend had intended to submit, i. containing the final determination of Government. Tbo anxi ety aid suspense attendant upon that great subject at present would be a sufficient excuse for him with the house in preaslsWg it forWard iethe absebce of his right honourable friend. (Hear, hear.) MAr. B. WILBRARAX ?'teketited a petition from Rumford against the coal*tax. . -' MHr. GRATTANw*i4bhel4Fa` petition which he was to have pre- sented from seven Irish Roman Catholic Bishops, until anotherday, that he might not impede the important business which was to oC- cupy the atttention of the house,. e then moved for returns of wool exported from Ireland since.lA0M-Ordered. AMr. H. DAVIS presented a petition from St. Stephen's parish, in Bfistol, praitng for A.repeal of the window-tax. Mfr. BRIGHT supported the petition. The Sheriffs of London preseated a petition from the Lord Mayor Aldermen, and Common Council of the City, praying for the repe2a of the assessed tsxes. Mr. Alderman WOOD said a few wordp in support of the prayer of the petition, but fromn the noise which prevailed in the house at the time, we could only co'lect the general import of his remarks. WVe understood him to contend, that the auessed taxes, as they now stood, were unequal and oppreusive in their operation. Mr. Alderman RIEYGATE expressed a hope that his hlajestv's Mfinisters would take-this subjerinto their early and serious consi- deration, and that at no distant day we might see the whole of the direct taxes done away. The petition was ordered to be printed. On the motion of Mr. Alderman WOOD, there was ordered to be laid before the house, an account of the quantity of malt and barley sbipped from Er land to Scotland, and from England to Ireland, in the years endin the5th of February, 1821 1822, and 1823. SLAVE;RY IN THE COLUNIES. Petitions for the abolition of slavery, were presented from Ips- wich, by AIr. HALDiMAND; from Calne, byMlr. ABEacRotsY; from the town of Bdiford, by.Lord W. RUSSELL; from East Ret- ford, by Mr. EVANS; and from Hoddesdon, in Hertfordshire, by Mr. N. CALvEILT.-OrdetAd to lie on. the table, and to be printed. EXPORTS AND IAIPORTS. On the motion of hir. P. .GRENFELL there were ordered to be laid before the hoaie several returns of tie exports and imports of Great Britain generally,;and of,the port of London in particular, at different periods, from the year 1798 to the year 1823. DUTY ON CiDER. Sir J. COTTERELL presented a petition from the inhabitants of Herefordshire, praying for the repeal of the duty on cider.- Ordered to be printed. UNION DUTIES. Mr. S. WORTLEY preseated a petition from the merchsants and manufacturers of Fudderafllld, for the repeal of the Union duties; also a similar petition frorn Wakefieli.-Laid on the table. STATEMENT RELATING TO THE WEST INDIES. Mir. PEEL said that dn the art of his right honeurable friend (hlr. Canning) be d to peatpone a notice given by him, which at present stood for Trblay bext, He would now fix it for the Tuesday following, the 16th. Ifhe. (8r. Peel) saw a noble lord (Lord John Rusiell) mnhis plxce, beig9ld ask him to postpone bis motion, whicht stood for-Thursda2exr: ton papers respecting the eyacuation of Spain by the French iio6ps,) co some day next week, as hi, right boo. fri-had (Mlr. Canning) woiuld be prevented from attendin; on Thursday. - Ar. TIERNEY aidisis noble friend (Lord J. Russell) would be in his place in. the coueof,thevetuni, and no doubt be would at. Mr. LINDSA.Y presented',a petition from the inhabitants of somt place ini Scotland (we did not hear the name), praying to be heard by counsel against a bill for regulating a salmon fishery in their neigh. bonrhood. Mir. HUME said the question involved in the bill was one of the utmost importance to the salmon fishery in Scotland, and he wished to know whether it was the intention of his Mfajesty's G6vernment to tske nv Stet s on the subject. AIr. H wfJS aS mid that it was only within a very few days the matter was brought under the consideration of the EBoard of Trade. As itinvolve'da qytioei of such magnitude, it was thought to make it thesubject qf *,i-inquiry by a coimlttee.-The petinuon was ordered to be refeii"sthe committee on the bill. SILK. TRADE. Air. Alderman REYGArTE presented a petition from the silk- manufacturets of Sudbury, praying that the proposition for remov- ing the duty on foreign wrought sils mig$lt not be carried into effect. Laid on the table, and ordered to be printed, as wvs a similar peti- tion from the silk-manufaeturer, of the town and vicinity of Taunton. Mtr. F. BUXTON. presantd a petition from the operative silk. weavers of the metropolfi, ined by 23 000 individuals. As he understood that it waS wied that the discussion on this impor. tant question should be postponed to a later period of the evening. he would only sa.y at present, that there was a very material differ- ence between this petition and others which had been presented on the same Subject Former petitons were from the master silk. tnanufacturers, who had etmbarked their capital in the trade, and who were naturally afraid that the operation of the prophsed measures would be the ruin of their capital. The petitoners now before. the house were men whose daily bread depnded. upon ther daily labour and who complained that the effect of the intended measure would be to deprive them of their only means of subais4ce. The s&ane answer which had been givet to the pryer of the master.manufscturers would not do to the prtt stpetitioners It might be said to the masters, that thongh the proposed meuure was ore which might produce tempo. rary inconvenience to them, yet ihat ultimately it would tend to their great benefit; but how could this sort of argument answer the prayer of the workmen, vhbo, even upposing that a future be. n fit would accrue tto the trde, Would, in the interin, be reduced to starration by the loss of their only means of subsistence. He would say no rnore at grepat,ibut move that the petition be brought up. Ir. ELLICE "$aid that threm were more than 20 other petitions in bis possession and thbse of. other members, to be presented on the ame subject FteZ die operitive weavers. The ptiition wa now read, knd was to the following effect " We, the journiymei. silk-weavers of London, having learnt with the gvsateat disnsa and 'arm, that the right honourable the Chancellor of the "Bftheqtier has proposed to your bonourable house, the repesl f th6se 'proihbitory la s regarding the imports. tion into tbi? countgyf forciu wrought silks; re, your petitioners, do most humbly and eton=srl entreat of your honourable house, to seriously paus beforeiagrp- to i measure tbat will,id our oDinion, totlly annihilate that iiniufscture,.by wbich we from ouir fmifancy hbae been -taught. to' ii. 1 ourselves and families as useful members of societr by _ n'roauing our chief attention to bring to t it'-vtw e I -'nufre of this ilnrdon, which, at this present .ied, it has arrived to and which We ae tesching ur chxild ,rKrentces, &C., who withb us (should the bote dreaded mesure b,eiopted by your honourable house) will soon bt reduced to the w9r4,. of aU miseries-namely, pauperism andstarva0on with all Wr. accompanying horrors, tnereSore we bolemnlyund Ferlously bope0at you wll,.by rejecting the pro". ed measure, show. toyr pe etitl that yoU will not suffer to besa- rificed the peacehap rinMs :and only comforts of many thousands D?, yorhumble,assi losLp#itioners, the journeymen siik-weavers wxho, as m, uty_bound, will ever pray." The p wutaotxs ordered o-be printed. Colonel TRENUS prented a petition from lW'isbech, in favour of-the bill for *hefecovery of amall debts.-Ordered to be ,S5ir .W,RIDLEy oresented)a petition from a Mr.Robert Foster (we tbi4)} sqFtuly blatt tn uiLding in London were much adisfgrdLya sm*,;ud,a4&Eg,nthat he bad discovered a method by whsdsapelssjuw e ene Re prayed tfie house to tae t''s1t' ~ .<-.tadn thc teble. L~a~m,~p~ymgfor thevetpesi of the combiii~tion ~loed-A TROAP peped aiiotice of a moto ~ts(e ;Ppecng an. .R b.ndnen in Irlaiid) wohtlelha,toof6.difi6(e .o -Mr.S NO.3Tj d a insosroftefi,inti - Sir JOHN NRWP pedtj#lonidchr-e dilIt *0084Q rss orle ta-ietani f aebatw m I"i a om pill t *sa Mr. BRIGHT 6bey pnte imptilicy Of the bigh tdietfes in thisankl ~I~ivs wn.irntiqn1a14C-Osteldidedtht the iffect if tbwed ~. -,~e.u e1ugg to" ta. i"iip&ljurios ex. aeiofwftuiiuaer ianthitlaater The etiton ws thss-bough ix~ an read and cordr thi oube Mr. STCIJR esetedpetiiom I he silk uPhonsther ione lt~~od tobe s~~~~lnrec1.t -b AWL! AY-~sinjd~ peitiofronthe licensedn4 itiblers Sir JAMS MACITOSH ias qletetnilydesiros tof fixing-s Xm i -b wshd er bad-o~xT gi% njdi6 ~ ejli~ ~ purose4 cf the hO-ns,*urtbennber fort Abree41 wo hp nt*Oicels o 6unia oionfo that idevenin,de dalo ~f t-tt h The hou%ethen rsled itself'into a comamittee of ways sadmen. Alr. H USK ISSON 'sald, lhe bad been given to understand thati was the intention of the hon. memberfor Aberdeen either to oppose ,the grant of the duties on sugsar,or c'pT_Opcs'e an amhen'dment on the vote. As, however, he(,Ilr. HutkisSn) a Lnothing to propose but that those duties shouild he continuted in the usual mintner, for the usual period, and at their present amount, he-should rtserve any ob. ster-vations he haLd to make on the sutbject until he had heard the ob- jections of the hon. member. He thennmoved that the several duties upon sugar granted in the last isessibn of Parliament be continiued for the year ensuing. I 1 Mlr. El UME was reluctant, aftf.rthe liberal policy which: hjis Ala- jesty's ministers hatd adopted, to f1'er any opposition to their mea- sures; and unless he felt that the proposition he had now to submit to the commiittee would in- no material -degree atfect the reve- nue of the country, he would have refrained from brngipng it forard As hoeve, i reate toan article of general con. somtio, ad u th reucton hih he was about to recoin- mend ould he elieed, ave he efectof increasinag that con- sumpion heshold roced t cel te atention of the commnit- tee o i Fro wht ha ben sad wth respect to tobacco, it ap- pear-ed that the imposition ofhih dtehad checked the consuml?. tion of that atrticle. The same eechabeen produced by a simni- lar cauise with respc twiewheinboth instances smnuggling hbad been increased Inhsoio,te article of sugar shoulid be looked upon in the smponofview He thought, too, now that the attention of th hos a ietdtowards the relief of the people, that relief should not be confined to the dealers alone, but that the consumers should share in its advantage. The present duties upon sugar were imposed in the time of war under the pretext of convoy charges, and they now amounted &rM 27s. to S0s. per cwt., according to the price of the article. N'o class of mess had of late suffered mnore severely than the We-st - India planters. That t.iey were entitled to, such relief as could be granted them, was agreedl on all hands ; and he now called upon the mfinis- ters to consider whether, by reducing the duties on sugar, these per- sons couild not be materially benefitted, whilethe revenue could not suffer by the measure. The immediate effect of such a reduction would be to increase the consumnption, and to raise the price, so that, in all prohability, the revenue would even be -Improved., -in many instatnces duties had been impose to a larger aimount than the articles couid fairly-bear. The consequtence of' thLis had almdost invariably been to check- thke consumption; and, notwithstanding a statement which had been made in the House of Lords by one of his Mlaiesty's ministers, attempting to show by the increasedi con- sumptin of all exciseable articles,.-the incre4sing proslperity --of-tbe country, he was prepared to prove, that in the article of - sugar. thq rate of duty had produced an injurious effect in the coinsuunption? It appeared from returns he held in his hand, that the quantity con- siniried had not increasedI since the termination of the war, in 1814. In Ireland, it seemed by the returns of thec duty paid (and it was well known that there was very little, if any, sugar namuggled), that the ayerage consumption of the years 1818 1819, and 12, was 222,000 cwt. ; in the year 1821, it was 286,000 cwt.;- and in 1822, 276,000 cwt. In England, the consumption in the year 1816 was 2,145,000 cwt. ; in 1817, 2,900,000 cwt.- in 1818 2,300.000 cwt.; 'and in 182-2, it was no mnore sl~ai 2,40U0,6)00 Now, if it had remained stationary or nearly so as by these returns it appeared to have done, he too'it us be a 'clear proof that the price w~A too great for a large part of the communiity, because the increas- ed population would have caused a much greater demanda- but for t'he reason hehad assWiged. liethought, therefore, Mlinisters wouldI do welltotake offa art of the existing duties, ffit were only by wav of experiment. He would be satisfied for this purpose with a redfuction of 7s. or 10s. No time could be more favourable than the present for trying this experiment, because now that there was a surplus revenue and a sin ing fun , even if a loss to the amount of 100,0001., or even of 30^0,CO. should be sustained, it might be supplied from that fond. If It were not done,- he thought the house would not do their duty to the WVest India: interests, by giving them a chance to recover from the difficulties they bad so Ilong been laburg under. He might be told that re. lief had been already a=fre to those intere-sts by taking off the duty on rumi. TIhat relief was paltrv and iinsignificant. (Hear.) One sihilling nod three hialfpence liad licen taken off the ru"m im1ortd to Englsand, andl at the samie timne it had been shut out from Iread - and Scotland ; so that to the West India planters the loss o'f those markets was more than equivalent to the advantage they were togain from the reduction of the duty. Another great hardship to which the dealers in spirits and wines were exposed was that they were compelled to pay, duty Upon the number of gallons Aep )sited in thie docks, at the tim'e they were so deposited, althouch the spirits were liable to considerable waste before purchiasers ceuicd be procured for them. He concluded by moving, "1That 7s. per cwt. be taken oilf the duty on sugar," and'said he was induced to propose this,not miore fromhisopinon f th cliui,whih te 'West India interests hiad forrelef,thn fom ii coviciontht te pblc would be benefited by he onsquet rducio inprie o a. arice of suchi universal The rignalmotin ad te amndmnt erethen put, whenq Mr. ARiG sid i wa th dut ofthehouse,-when reductiont of taxes was proposed, to look at the Iffretclasses of the commu- nity, and to apply the relief whiere the distress 'chiefly existedl. If he could see that the reduction of the duty an sugar would materially relieve the WVest -ndia interests,he would willingly vote for it. As however, he did not coincide in thie opinion of his hon. friend behind him (Mlr. Hume), that they had a sinking fuind to,- throw away whenever thiey pleased, he could not think, looking at the state of the country's finances, that they had at present the money to spatre. There were many articles to which it was niuth more imnportant that reduction should be pgninTM than t- munmgr. -The relief which his .honourable irendl proposed would not amnount to a penny in the pound, and in this coDuntry, where the consumption was already greater titan in' aniy part of the world-in Frasice not one fourth of the qtuantity, was consumned-such a reduction would neither be felt by the people, nor was it likely to increase the consumption so as to benefit the'plan.- ters. But there was a subject immediately coDiinected with this, to which he begged to call the attention of hiis Majesty's Ministers. The price of barley had of late considenrably risen, ena would in all probability soon reach that poinit at which the importation of foreign barley would be permitted. This was aprospect which could not be contemplated without co.nsiderablealsrm, because when the portawere once opened,it was impossible nottsosee that theinfiux of foreign barIe would be very great, and the consequent. disadvantage to thEnls growers be very considerable. If, then, the (iovernment wud n stead of reducoig thle duty upon sugar, permit the distiller omk use of the latter article, where they now used barley, this would at once have the effect of increasing the consumnption of sugar, by which the 'wrest India interest would be most effectually aided, aind of preventing the introduction of foreigni barley, which must be highly injurious to the agricultural interests of thi kingdomn. He put it to the country gentlemen, who were much more interested in that part of the question which related to barley, thain he could be to that of sutgar, to say whether the importation of foreign barley was Oct an evil which ought, on every consideration, to be-- avoided if possible. Hie was sure that the Mlinisters could do nothing which would be more liberal and graciousi than that which he had suggested. The maost active season for the distilleries had now begun, and would continue for two months longer, so that the measure, if~ it should be decided upon, as he hoped it would be, ought to be adopted without deaiy. KMr. HUSKISSON said, if he understood the honour-able meni. her for Aberdeen's ohi.ervations, respecting the effect of high duties on tobacco and win e, it was that they prevented the consumption of those articles. This, however, hardly; seemed to be the correct, conclusion, from the statement on which the hon. member's opi- nions had been formed ; for they were, that the high duties gave rise to extensive smugglingf, and although the revenue was tbereby dimi- niished, the consumption was increased. Then, as the hon. mnetber admitted there was little or no smnuggling of sugar, it was difficult to understand how lhe made thie'argument which he drew from the duties on tobacco apply to sugar. Tbha same might be said of theI wine duties, even if th facts assu~med by the hon. member shoruld be admnitted for the purposes of the arguriient. But thehbon. m-ember had said that, from the term nation of the war ina 1814, there had been no increase in the consumption ofsu e; nowthis was sofar from the fact, that he (Air. Huskeisson) woul assett without the -fear of contradiction, that no article had experienced ano increased con- ato ponproportioned to that of sugar sin-ce the year 1814. - He SWouldDot detain the house att anylIengtA uron this part of the tub- jec, bt i wa qite impossible, after the honourablermember'sma- sertion, that he (Mir. Huskisson) could fiorbear to state the fact as it really stood., -For the three years'- ending on the Mt. of Janoary, 1814, the average consumption of sugar was 2 715,000 d*t.; in 1821, it was 2,768,000 cwt.; makidng an increase ol49,G" cwt., or 20 per cent, on the total consumption in 7 years. By a document whith was on.the table of the bouse, and which would shortly b&Fin the -possession-.of lion. -metubers, it woul bce.ae. that th~e,ooDsulP_P- tion, up to January last, was 3,W3,490cwt. equal to ank -n C~ot 40 per cent. on the consurniptioa of the last 3 yea:rs. - in the face of thesee figures, he would askc the lionourble gentleman, whetbiv;the high duties on sugar (and he ha(ad iite there wsn m~ig had checked its consumption? In Ireland, unfoitisngtel',the csreun- stance of the. coruntry' prevented the great Wul6f tb;b Ie NefM using this article so extensively 2* the piupe- of' En=d. thei distresses were not to be relieved by te diminutioin- CPfWhAV4al penny in the poundl on the pri'ce of this"Twicm,tboiighYdta necessary,was one of the firstiuxuries of life. lobitin, -hoWaker. to -what was a material point-A.he quesotio ofr ~elirf -to thte con- sumer-he would call the attention of.- the -c,ifmtte to 'the! progeesive increase of 'supply; compared with the incease bf-c9hi-. sumption. In _the year' 1814, the ola -'edonies-lihe iniesft: those which belongedi to the Ciown '3;rev1ous J.to l7VZ~pro ducedanezeexs of supply amounting to 3220hw,andtthelnew colonies'. at the samne peri6d, produceff- o2so ~ excess of 407,000 cwh,rrf*iii& together a lotal exess of 820,000 qwt. Jiihthat pe- od~ tae fnCtraeio f COstunWatiOn bad'aMOotea o0 c1;iOW cwr and this- se*to oftagaintt t,he.as 1 eniond aoun ~ril1 s-i that-th* in'. ciedensmifiptionhsdmorethanlkeprpace wlnitluicrbeasediuppl. He bsdastteaaorsirdubt that if the cansti#doq qipAugir*4nt on i te.4av in in?reXd 0gVtIichQr#&rkedits5-reseit prr?sm,2nd heaw1no=ast.pc othe's, they would shortlymnve at that happy stt of thingsist2*wlsch they wouldfiM tla. whol-Q ply of- the West Indies not exceedinig iteatsi dnsi e article in this kingdom. To show.-i ev4aftdiqiAUiI*Msuip- tion ttyb) 5dnl1t orein cexd ane th~ and omne nyts wiet t seL Nuritest n supply thtbaeet rece ived trom ' the West iitai nygv1rt -Th eretateat thePPl7 b 1was 9'785 O -lMtt f cwe. tor - exp6rt. the stockt of sugarr h td. ybear en intpee old00 cwt.iM more than oahe a znye of deetyear sc ouian iiis act, antom lo c cus esi- that-the liomn consumnptiondrn h'atbet ceT&le~ss i nualcsuppoly that rad e or arrlve from thi ' m F Tlep average pricne *atbe I 0d and'3e4.7ja. per ow Tese hcle., The best 44nTd~nto ont subjeW .Wtie Ofopinlonftbkt!n-fditiue, supposing the ose m d to continue, o heie s oil not b-eaty material ih9easkite~ithe tmk of sugi 'on~hand.- hy'sijli old colonies, tiser! was rather a -tendenc#' of decteas-a thani issie,eac lb th nmeatas c br5ppy . from the i no tedr f liet of Ne. grnes, and aomeie localcauses.- TheYfrh~ ad ~a freea the .nti colosiiesj DOnefrara, -for instne rm baiuh ftepe sent ilejressioh'wi,A Feli owing to the qpitt fsgrsrwu rm Dememrar int&'Iernmijet, thbere:wsltlecneof esrtce the snmes hsowning ta thecultivat.ion pfotoia C effb&l oh o mreap eiy, thete was nio grouna for.terd~eit heyeiid ask, wa there any ground for it hSuse oitspressute as tbe rayoFssXatiOD P That this presure was not ur*ent or impore riitktio o war~~f, ii~ sm.' hsieeak duled. reali aEutyin 1 t'91-wa tlcyf inIFVferbegry?o- tDif peopd_ lcwasintdos -ble qeuateiio srtue?rowilsg. pnpdoio ,tfei sugar wYs anC uieltfi uifniid: 3;fkib1ieete*f mere teeouuarts .a ho .memab'e(a lur.urie n tof h thee- inu- noasses oabj cietyo s in ta syeaio 179H1, hearc.h u owitloif fugar1a k:il~an'd'i4Ire-d~ ' id dotLexceed.l-,4d,000 c<" ii 1-823, f,lk timheethoughte,i dist rope t atfor t he greater aru-l usedioth visitation of twar,eibtheconumptson was -nuonsd,ehab g more .aonism n dtougbled Theduty-in l9kwasethelyr12foT4e ertovit; itwastow] 27s No eountry Sn Europe, vit three tins.hmemboeu tiotiefm Eqngland-coisunmed thesailte quantity ofougar. Wethereference to -the suggton of thsehon. memiber (lr. e arini ) ] to perelit the aistilleready use psgar instead of barleyI in principle he e ould see no objeet.on to such a suggestion. (Hear, hear.) Nlowv or atbany time he thought it propar that these persous should usew i the cam.. position ofr tbeir anufacturem whatever wfolesomhe ingredientfidey thought proner. -ile should p ri e therefore to leztve to the distillers to doastheyake n thatrespect; but if the hon.member contemn.a plated the heaie~lt;f his suggestion as a mere temporary expedient to wsist the planter he wronid find himself deceired: for there wereso many practi'cal diffculties *n theway of the details of the change from barley to sugar, in the existing mechanism of the distilleay ett gulations, that some ttme must necesbarily elapse before the alters_ tion could be eSectedhtime must bea llowed for gettng tii of the wash already prepared, In principle, however, he repeatedl, he did. not dlisset from tbe suggestion. Hledid not think that this was the fitte;ode owtreittrng,taxes,al d he truated that whathe hadasid of tbe ereat increase of consumption would afford hope and conSdence to the West India proprietors whose dlifliculti'es must vgsiisl; before ibis growing dematnd. The $eat India idlands-had a monopoly of the hoyea mrker; if they (as had been the caxe) overdowed that mnrket, the excess must be sold at such a puice as to induce the ex- port. When, however, the consmnption aind the supply ieror osely 3pproximated, thentthey would necessarily have a bettet rni-.k'et. With respect to what rhe honeurable niember (As r. Hume) had said of the reduction of duty on rum, nll he could say was, that thehonourble memaber's denial of its value oifebred altogether fr that of the WcstlndiaboyHeho must besuwhosel, onetweuld think, to klow something oftheir owvn inrerests;far mi althecomm_ing nications with them,theyhighlyapproved of ir,As to theclne ofa sale fer rum in Ireland he thought it delusive; the most sold in Ireland in one year was 40,000 gallons. The native spirit alwvays preponderated in thatcountry, alaugh) and rum was only used amthngpasticelad welase. le thought ther e was some consideration due to the cr.) prietors of rut., from te circumstance that they vere oblider to sendit quick into this contry, to savee greater eva poation which they must incur by a delay i the w-armer climate. As to the boti lig system, all he could ofy was this-that its only safe system afte general princile, was that theduty became rateablo from the time of the arrikel of the a wrtie. there would be no safetyo thewise for ay esitiin,at ofeti customs. He thought on the whole,that there was no ground, under the existing cireusostances, for anterfering in these sugar duoes, and he hoped that the comun ittee would bear in mind that e,-ry shiljog of the sugar duty which they tonched woulta mskea d erence ofng o,0001. a year ato the reenae. d (Hear.' ) Mr. a R. EhLlS said tbat theobject of the hon. rember oppo-. site (Mr. andhtue), dd a most sateabLe one it 'was, was to remit a,- part of the daty upon one of the mhot stanee prr'diCtiiumS of their colonies, at a moment of unexampled colonial distress. But after listening attentiver y to what ead falen from the right hon. gentle_ mah who o rke last, he was avrm d they coudocnsider this p.o- position, as affectihg simplv one class of the people, but in concert with the general condition of the community at large. (Hear, hear. ) When the C.1ancellor of the Exchequer had introluced his financal stapteent, he nroposet, among other alterations, to reduce'he duti on rum, and to doia s.till greatr benefit to the trade, by altering tbl mode of sollection. The questirn at present, therefore, wasa not whetherte measureeof the hon. idenoberauebr. um) would be benefical to the colonies. but vhether it wrould be in itadf better than the oft'ers of reduc-.ioansd alteration in other respects, alreadly held out by the Govelrnment. On a comparison of two pro- posltioni,-the one involved in the' present motion, and the other in the ot oier of the Government_the balance, be thought, prepondeoaed in favour of the latter, which, for thast reason, he should more wllringly accept. There could be no doubt that ther whould oe better off inlteceivin relief both in the duties of sugar and rum; but he was afraid that hneir claim, heosaever long they had de- served relief by their ond rct, could be meased b extent of their particular dintress, bue bv a comparison wih othiier clsums which would be equallfo pressed upon the Government. (feIt.' Tue West India interests hd suffered severely. and borne s heir losses with the utmost patiencte; they hed never pressed themsdlves exdasively upon the consideration of Government, er 'as wishing to throw fonm their shoulders uron any other class nosndueeshary of burden. (Hear, hear.) lhe sbould be sorry tha,t at present they should expose themselves to the ritk or incutrting -ndeparture frott the same just feeling, by wishiuggat. the sarle tifue redief of the duties on rua and sugar. If any other measureooigeliefrthan a di- rect reduction of-the tax on. the rtiete eould he devised, he should prefer iudoption-for instance, such a measure 2s 'that suggested by the fion. member for Taunton (dr. Basig.) (Rear, hear.) It could not, hgtrested, interfere isih agriculture. With-- respect to the presentrlicy oS- their corn laws,'he 'would -not pronounce any opinioii5 still less would he desire anyinttrference that miight weep deemed prejudicial to the agricaltbral interest -But if- the hon. member's (Mr. Baring's) suggestion 'were carefull cobsidered, andk if, on a full and fair consideration of its mer.uts it should app ear not to be ir,compatible with the other interests ofGthecountry, whilst it wouldundoul btelypnremote those ofthe colonies, then he hoped itsne adoption might be admitted witbout cre3ting3jealousy iu ayJ quarter. HIe agreed thah the distillery regulations would-for the moment oposte some- techncal obstruction insecurig theo due collection of the revenue. He remembered how all these little details were prers-, ad in the distillery committee, of -wheich he had formerly been a member ; but he alsorinembered, oitwpeedfly a solutien was fou..id for th when the parties asceurainrd that the Govemnment were seriously determined to carry into effect what they were at the timne considerin, atear, hear.) He trusted, therefore, tbat if upn the ' generai prunciple the hon. member's sugge3tion were deemed proper, nat the t3overnment would not he driven from its- Aonaderittoi for apractical.cbjec, by the inte position of mere t techniectLfteic-wuiel fhichcoula be 'leasily surmounted. Rebar helrnphm n na- to the ques'tion of t Hee'sugar duties, tei-rigyi t how not lein_ hei,an had atsumead the fact ofn-teareat. increaSe of c; 'iforption ' to have kept pace t ith the improving couidition of imptre mpente -and he had assumed that that would goon in the saame progessve -ratio until the supply andat e consumption would meet. Adtnitting -the assumption both as to cause and effect to be eoriect, there poild of course be the pleasing prospect of obtaiaing-relief in the most bne tural and permanent way. He was serryhe was not so sarguine in wias antidpat,ons as the right honourable genlddtn;, 'foreifrte in- creased contuindion were attributable- to the growing improvement. of the country, e ie should have thought its operation would have been felt in -a more gdual and progreasive m'ner. (Hear, hear.) He rather apprehended that the remisdson- of-a large amount of taxes within a given period, was one cause, ohy within that period nore sugar had beenCused. But ho was afaid that nextyer the same impulse to domestic expenditure las notlicely toe ecur. (Hear.}) He was ready,however,to accept the terms held orWn wyaso-ernmena on the presentcca:sion, and take the tess of- aoheryear'sexperience,hoping thereby not to forego the claim- of ie Weest India interests or such fusther relief-s their case might be found susceptible of at the ex- piraedon of that p eeriod. (Rear, hear.) * ' i hlr. EllIC n dsaid,thathehad come disposed to vote for themen o tion ofhis honourable friend (Mr. Hums), not concurring in the opinion ef the ll tevchequer that the reWissinain of a part of the dugy oanrum woulld pwoduce the benefit whichbhe an- ticipated. The fact vas, that the resmssicn wlas so smalle that it would not be felt by the great body of consumers. Not feeling the same interest for what was no c alled the sinki gfuned(althoue gh decided advocate for a real sinlring.fund) that his honourable friend -(Mr. Baring) did, he tw s ready to give the benefit of their proportione-of-the su us revenue to 'the West India Inter ests, believing that their depression entitled them to some share of relnej With respect to the more substantia remedv, instead of a remission of duty-the introdctioen of sugar instead of barley into the distilleries,-e highly apprrved of it, and hoped the right hon. gent. (31. Hul7apoit)'would promise to take itinto his serious consaiderationB He-wouldcuot call upeonhim to givea spedtimc pledge, but merely to Promise to draw the attetitineof Government o the proposition. if 'that promise were held, he should certainly recoin.. mend his hoiocrable friend to withdraw his motion, as -he ell kntew his oniFdeaire was to promote -dthe best means of reliv- irg the West India interests. Hie woull also suggest the ptorsliety of having -the -Vbles printed-which the right honourable geudtajann said justified his calculaions respecting the ie irased consrmpidon. If-that-viere ilone, they- tould then see vhether 'there wierenot-other- co.operating&ses to proausce the results wvhich the eight lion. gen-. tlemasn had pointed oat. Eor instance, duting last year the price of provfsions wasr0sirkglabilowr, and the-buil oftlte1peoplecouldbet. ter afforsdthe'3aae of sugar: provisions had sinsc increased in p'rice, and a re actiou a-niht be apgtreheuUed. It was to meet thii revulsion. thst he shoulld thltetbe dustes loweredi. - i the yeak 1791 the dusty was 12s. or Ia., andtheprice to the consumer wask tl, the same, notwithstanding the increased duties' which had been since laid on the artide. He thought that the proposition of bis hon.Sfriend (Mir. Barg) ougt to be most carefully weighed by the Government. :Mir.tA,LCR AT said, that a he was tnore interested iii barley lhihln-fits, 1-rghtwo be deedmer i -v impa lJrt- dgl--n opiniorn hilch hewas about to give. He could see not, the slightest db- jection to the use of sugax bythe distiller. -WHear.) The price-of barley was -within .Id. at present, of. the 4veign import ation price. Now, u inder the Veculiar pressure affiectin the VWest India interests, ,he hba io6bject1ontb -the iuimedi3te AJiiiaion of,sugar into-the 3distilleties_ (Hear.) Hle-came down with the intention of v 'ting for the motion of his hon. friend, (Mr. Huxm'e); but he confessed thebe waa-i'great deal in the-soning of bis right honourable 'friend, thlbt the ' great increase in the consumption of the article iunder-the existing dudies,-ws a gxeat jrgument in favour of the opinion that they did not press heavly -upon - the consunmer. He hoped that his hoiourable friend'(Xr. Hume) would withdraw h-is propo,ition- aDd that his Majesty's linilteo would copsider the suggetion that ihad been offered, as to whether suga.t, the produce of our West-Irdl coloaies,-rnigbt not he immediately admitted-into ~obr distiUleries-ant- admission^ that steroed to hold- out the bin -Mr. HlIISKISSON: wihed to-off'er - evwords in ex*? nation of -whit -be had said upon-. tht subjec of basIy, and .to set ,himself riht as to tihe opinion he had - expresed up- 55 the proposed alteratWn in those- duties. Vhat -he had- stated ws,- that wereas there was in the year 1814,iii'sugas owing to the, am*xaden of the toloisles whsch were t.hen permanently tOnex- -ed'tothe Brtish empire,a very considerable xesa of*suply .!kove :thevonsumption, yetthat now,'takingsr aaverageper-od of- hesame duration-s ua average peiod immeditely, subsequjat to 18, an rxCe*W OhtDhsiRnpdon would anpear, -even after :alLowiing for the3ad- ditioial supply derived from th'e new -coonies. -(HeILr) Ele dld not -know whetker helbaadmile himself_perftltIoundrWOdat the time; b ataaperlodbetweeal814 azdlw clseiv elp(in X'it r 818, for eaple)2va .Sit-,splofs4 Ws bYoet %owe increase or. exceof`'eonium etin over- teli conrintlok et 1814, was' 921,000 wt. 'Coseq4uently; the ia- 'eaeescstsupplr i l8W oUver the sdipplt, .f-183 btin in &-,much ;iktti6 that tht ?H e or extese of. eownpiiai: it 18 i over. 'th~ei'B.spiioa o? t*fWfmerperiod there -wasnow cleSrl e leSsW -relative excess-ol' SU?S1ycA thereIWag in i814 -&In the -year 1814,-: the saxpi heb pemilmed, nountea uj3.0OOeci It nof smouZto 3,v,0 c Lt ad thbjfore, the'nre t exceSs, Pt ~Wispaen4 wlth-the supply oC1814,-"aw ose.of S(i;0O*M -pUt if thAllneiicbtteelooked to the eorrespoding.exce.sssfOo.tsum.Pi5g0 lI ee1814At,must behclei*that at this time theexcess ofsupply hi b'seusalyeithin it was in that year. rle ineaseprodUO. of libe-old ud new olor lee,salen tgetherrandqA ceis'itht(O. .aeri. o 5.he lest air years . was about 029 M'* w f fi?'t this .nos~ Sb avnerag?e jnedWesonuiption of-lthesle yt werX d,gdueted, inweM :d,l* .tl* ;radio at .w.ih j?@'nat. eiJ sumpeioal had overtalcen inereie. tu,pgly 1t* ,,,1t,ke,ot (Ss, Huskiason) had stared, that if shie increase of eoDU5stii Wer* "P~tiOD flfe '16returris for the present year,; atnd they wouldtde'eforhi.r cflnilag in a few days, with the oth-er Annual accat<t Tife TittiAA *radt' before Parliamenx Would satisfy the soe thiatlite'dnstithp. ~tiOrl this% article bad gone on incereasing Irirm 181'4 till the present timle, 29 per teat.;, for that -.as the averag6 of' increased conqminptibn ltkili~ two periods of thre successive years, one endihg in 1Bl7,ati'd teOtnler in I823 (Hear.) And if the average were taken'as uponi the lnat yegr alone, the increase would now Appear to be l '- ls ta 40 per cent. (Hear.) In the resment state of et' udlooking to the advance( season of the Year bee~aUThoghcthat very many difficulties Opposed them. seles o te ropsitonfor admitting sugars into the distileries, ~irtCulrJy nasuchas the house would not permit distillAtion "in ugas wthot poviding that that from corn shouldI cease. If,hewver i~wasthefeeling of those honourable members more ~nseiatey iteretedin the growth of corn, that there ought to he rrecv llwedto sesugars in distillation whenever the price of barey rried t tatpoint whichi would admit of its importation trom fein rshethought there could he no decisive objection Mr. AY.C~AFT, in explanation, expressed his anxiety that ?loverement should extend ev~ery proper meaauze of relief that they c0ldldna'ord tov cive to the West India islands.- M Ar. BEiNETT (of WViltshire), in allusion to the prooiti'on Welch the- right bonourable gentleman UlIr. Huskisson) had loso re- bmnty noticed, confessed that he saw no objection to its being adopt- ed whenever harley shiould arrive at such a price as would set open the ports to foreign grain. He hada quesetion of some importance to asktbhatright hon. gent. Under the new regulations inr4espect oftlie duttiei uxpork turn, wits it intended that the British 'distiller should be allowed to cnvertum into gin? (Hear.) If so, an effectuial stop Would be put ro the distillation froli grrain. The question had been laddressed to himn (Mr. Benett) thiat day, by. a very eminenit distiUler In London. Mr. IIUSKISSON presumed the hionourable genitlemani was awpare, that the d:,tiller and the rectifier were or two distinct tailings in this couint-y. if the question applied to the latter- it waN cer- tainly reatter of great difficultyvto answer thelhonourab'la geiitleman, Wrheth.er the rectifier shiould be allowed to.- decline,- the spirit in the mnarket which had been distilled from corn by the distillers, arid, byan easy process, to convert rumi, the produce of a British colony, Into what was considered as British spirits.. It 'certaLinly would -not he easy to, shut out British spirits, in that event, from an inceasmed conssimption. MVr. B3ENETT desired expliciLly to undlerstand, -whether the me.' tifler was to hare a pvowet of converting rum into gin. (" No;'no," from various partsof the house.) If therectifier was in effect to have this poywer, it would directly destroy the trade ini the -spirit call- ed gt,wtcr,a r aresent made from-corngrown in England'- - 111. BRIG bIT was only anxious that the produce of theW)Vst India islands should he allowed, under curtain circumstan'ces, to come into competition with British distillations. Hie did not at. all wish thatlParlian-t~nt should take any step that miight have the effect Of Prohibiting the distillation from barley. It would very hiuch concili ate the minds of the WVest Indian calonists, if they found that !Jie House of Comimons were taking their.case so seriously into erderation, as toube devising any such effectual measure ,of relief to i; and nothing would more eff'ectuirlly induce them~ to lay hvy ~feelings of irritation and disappointment. (Mear.) He felt quitsisasurecr that the propositian which had been that evening sub-_ mnitted. W-as of the utmost imiportance to the welfare of the West Indies. As to the question about distilling from barley, he must he alllovi6d to say that he quite agreed with the hon. memb6r who-had spoken for the West India interest, in all that he had said about the great advantaes of distilling from rum; And he concurred in the sugi'est:on that had been thrown out as to the benefit of improving thie mnode of' collecting the duties. He wvas, however, by no mneans prepared to conisider that the prospects of the WVest Indian colonists were of so flourishing a description as they had been described by some honouralsle etsmn though he cer- tainly thlougllt that ttie measures propose' to be adopted would do them mnuch good. Itc was known that a considerable al-teration had lately been made in respect to the distillerv laws both of Scotland and Ireland ; and he thought thbat the distillery law, as affecting the 'West India interest, ought en stand in the same relaiive'situation to threse of Ir'elandI and. Scotland, which it did before tire alteration in n,estion was effiected. The right hionourable gentleman had stated, 't at in Ireland there was no coosumnption of ruma; how this might be, he (M1r. Brighe did not know ; but if there was n-o consump~ tion, there would be the less difficulty in putting the law in mte re-. lative situation ho smoke of. There had been a consumption of rum in Scotland formnerly;- but owing to the alteration in the distillery duties of that country-, the consumption had greatly declined. He conceived it to he the duty of the house, to arrange the duties generally as they stood before the passing of the late act, and so to, give tIre West Indies the beaefit of both inarkete- Scotland and Ireland.. From printed documents, dated in 1807, it appearedi that at that time rum was the spirit almost exclu- sively drunk in Scotland. It was idile, therefore, to say it had be- come disusea onaeccount of being unhealthy. When thetduties were cheaper, the Scotch consumed mnore rum,. (A laugh.) He renfem. bered the time when the whole consumption of that country was brandy, rum, and Geneva, but rum was its favourite liquor. Why had it ceased to be so?~ Beenus- owing to the scale of duties, whiskey had becamr.e so mruch cheaper. bln the part of the Governmxenit, there had long been (and very properly) a growing disposition to encourage British spirits ; but that disposition ought not so he carried too far. The tight hoen, gentt. (Mr. Hualkisson) had said that in Ireland the poorer sort of people dtri not use sugar, and that it would be of little avail, therefore, to take off the duties upon it in that country; but upon that moaster he differed from the right hon. gentlempan. Ile thought it would be well that they should have some luxury of easy attainiment off'ered them ; for the desire to Posss it Ighe induce them to lay by money:" for ire ptirchase, andi thus prcduce ha'bits of economy andl coirfort.' Agreeing Uponl the whole withi bon. gen- tlemnen who -thought thar tbis duty. ought anot. at Present to he taken off, though he was, at else same time, anxious, that rum should he put on the same feising that it formerly. stend on,' with respect to the markets of Scotland and Ireland, lhe would not support the motion of the hon. memnber for Aberdeen. MVr. FRAN]kLAND LEWIS thought that every thing thle hon. gentleman who bad just spoken had said about rum, appliedi with south grelner forte to gin. The hon. gentleman did not seem to be very well aware of the state of the countries he alluded to, in re- spect to the preference they now gave, or had given), to liquors. Gin, and not rum had been the drink- of Scotland at the period in qu~es- tion. The 'West Indian interest need feel, however, no anxiety About either Ireland or Scotland. In Scotlandl the consumption of rum was very little and in Ireland whiskey wvas distilled so suchl an extent, that nothing was to be apprehended fror.. a mere nominal eeduction of duty. Let no onec suppose that the old duty of 5s. Gd. ha,d ever been collected ontliaetspirir. It 'vas so universally evaded, that as no time was more than 2s. 6d. per gallon collected ; so that the present real duty of 2s. 6dl. was just as heavy as it ever haed been. As to the ex'pressions of approbation withi whichl he had heard so manny gentlemen greet a proposition so allow distil. lation frem sugars, wlhenever the price of barley should be so high as to open the posts, he begged to he understodd as by no, means concurring in it. If a pressure was felt by one class, and it was proposed to relieve it, could any thing be mnore unifair or improper than so Put it on the shoulders of one' interxest alone, instead of distributing ties burden equally over all ? Yet this was precisely whbat 'It was now Pr-uposrd to do; for, to allow the distillation from sugar, to relieve tire rest [ndies, was to impose the pres~sure of which they were ts he lightened upon the barley growers of thrs courntrs'. Mfr. HOIUME SUMINER would give the motion hisdeid p position, though he trusted that the hon. member for brde would be induce:l so withidraw it. Among all the classes of British subj ects who had felt the pressure of agrcl tural distress, none had sustained a heav-ier burden than the] West Indian colonists ; end th'ere was none with whichi he miore sincerely sy-mpathized. Indeed, he should think that the agricuil tural interest of the wliole empire were bound to make so0me sacrifices for the relief of their 'Wrest Indian brethren. But as to the ~eneml1 proposition that sugar should he admitted into our distil.'I setiest, whien barley was at a certain price, and sudsi as would openi else ports to the imPortation of foreign corn, he really thought ic might be a fair question whether the benefit here suggested should be given to the sugar planter or the barleyg;ower. Of the twin terests, he wotild be disposed to give the preference to theirowar. eulturists. He concurred with an ho.gnlmnopst,i thik ing that the 'Vest Indies could onlyD iwdgesb etrdt their former value and prosperity ;adthriehehedthue waould not be run awaY wvith by anypoecofimdaebtm- ginary advanitage to thiose colonies. Mr. ROBERTSON expressed hisconviction that the house were tinder a delusion as to thle benefits that it was suIPPosed 'would ac- crue from the suergested remission of those duties. Mr. MANNIN~G in a low tonie of voice, referred honourable gen- tlemen to the proesi,,engs that took place in Parliament upon a for. imer occasion when a distillation fzrom su1ars was penmitted. AU -that wa3 thenfroposed was, not to de prive the landed interest of th=is tilaflon rom grain, but that suigars should come in After the lne interest, and before the foreignI. (Hear.) He thought his right hon. friened had'underrated the benefit likely to arise from the re-missionl of thers,e duties. The hon. gentlemna then adverted generallytsothe ,distressed state of West India commerce, and expressed himself fa.. vourable to any measure which mnight giveileeirygai mation. ei e feg ideI Mlr.PIzUMME11R then addressed the hoase, bustin atone of voice urtieelj inaudible to thosewho werein thegallery, Six iSAA'C COFFIN thought the concession, made by Mlinisters was very, lberel. Mr. WHITMORE said a few words, which were inaudible in 'lF. M said the arguments which h,ad been uirged on the' 'other side 97cre no answer to what he, had stated. It was no0thing to yvthis coon try used more sugar than, any other : what li had con- 41ded for was, that with the inc-rease oif population, anid th'e reduc_. tnon of price, there had not beei that increase4ni the consumption which trithe have b-een e7;Cedt-l He was quite.aware that gentle.. rmen connected with the Wet Indies were likely to know thei,r own interests; but It Was not -on their account only that' he brouzht the subject forwyard, bnt on the"'* behalf, of the peop e of England, who hiad ahtco the reductiori, wh'en it.was sce tht the taxation so press te Prevent the increase of thle consrsm.lpt;on. He was sat'isfie-d tbetth arcultural initerest .wouild find itl th leir advalntage that disilatthagio nb,db llowed( fromI sug"ar. ihcn barley camte toa certain price. L's the present teripler.ofI thaotormittee, and not havin.g the suppro Srt,hpeshossd be to, wF hd. t,;..- . .i04 Of'tle 'West India .iti. 'Tbeinotlon of MVi. Home was withd m Mfr. A. C. GRANT said, that if, hethe tlmrleirtsol -b-disbet distil from sugar, the meaur was rithbrotgt Thot.' ~ by his Majst's 'miisters he truotietl tse honerurable nieniber fir Aberdeen ivohIekbim:selfDir nate, at. 31 r'6~ORDOI'- said it was huit fair to fits hon. gent.- (Mr. fue andto bs ous, tat-heysholdknow there was an underAtanId. inK on this subjiect.' By, the act whic-h erxpireson ots'he 4th.of July 't1scte W~a remsniseln.of 36~Per ewe, OD the .exP3readoin of sugar, -whilst the whole of the duty amsounted to 27s. jer cwt. ; consequent. .1 he-xpot:gt 9. er wL inthits 8hape. sttiree intimlated %al ifthe gn conectedwith thg West 'IndIij interest Aup.. r'r*ftlepropo-ition of tite hion. member, for Aherdeen, tbat ace to *Mbch'hc,hadX4Iuded wouin -itereee;Though it was for his 'jnterext'ri'it6r One* hought they4rhad no, rght to that 3s. per. cwst. at' hir~~~bble; -at a-time whttsi piite.~were'at rinth~4~pu1li& h.lin~ d 6ther things, to' .~~ib~Jim 7~,J~- the hors. minem-er peerfteredinI be reseiveel on Wedn,eesday nesst. . ,~~~~N stpo ', ned ,the commiltfi-e on the uso?y.-lawrs ~ ~SThKTRAD~E. On'tihe'hotiop Or3fy gUSKI5$)N,thd'hovusaw.ntao ittcOn las tIstoms acs. In the commuittee he statid,thsttal. in isgnerl satment on the fidap6es of the.eountry, with that ~5e-5pciity50 ecliairly his own, state'd the groands on whichi he slild'thin itexpeient to recommend to Parliament to consider of an-altraton n le laws relating to the. sillk-trade, iii con. sidejing the objections taken to t'his part of his right ho. nouirable friend's plan, biot'h in the hou.se 'and out of doors, and with re.ference to thie great imnportance of the lfisj4ct, he hopred, howrever unable he might be to follow hii honourable frienrd, that he should have the indulgence of the committee. TLo the general plan of his right hon. friend two objections had been made, both ~in that house and in the country. The first obiection was fromh those who consideredl it more desirable that any relief which could be affbrded in the repeal of taxes should fall upon the direct taxation. The second class of objectors were those who wished the laws relative to the silk trade to remain as they were. As to the first class, it had aLp- peared to him, thiat the course in which his Mlajesty's Government ha,, trarelledt, (since the state of the finances of thie country was suchi as to warrant them in considering *bhat miight be the proper subjects for clhe remrission of taxation,)-was to miake the remission in the way most consonant to the wants of the people. In the first place, the Government had to look to those articles of general con- sumptioni whiich were burdened with taxatidon ;and they considerc-d it their first duty to afford relief to the humbler classes of society. In that. view.' the salt-.tax was redaced. in this vie,* Ule malt.. tax swas cotisidemblly reduced. The leather tax vi~as alto reduced, and last though not least in-its effects on the lower classes of the people, thelotter-.tax bad been abolished. Theylhad thus gone, in the reducti6n of dirfect taxation, to the amoun~ of sevenk millons. It hiad beetlsasked, why not persist in that systemn, and remit a further uroportion of the direct taxation, and prevent that unple's. sant feeling which every one had when Visited, by the ta-x-'gatherer, who requlired from him an advance of money for which there w as nothing to show ? But it was thought, whether it was not possible to affo'rdl relief from taxation, and at the samne time to make that relief conduicive to fuirther Pirosperity. It was conside-red whether there was not somethiine in the present state of things, looking at the im- mouse clhanges taking place in the colonial system of the world, when all thilse great provinces h.therto held on the exclu- sive colonial systemn were' likely to be opened. It was con- sidered whiethier by, a financial and commerciatl Artangement we had not the opportunity to stAri fair with other coun- tries in thie hope of hiaving a share in that extensive market. At the pgesent moment, the provinces of South America were still en- gaged in a struggle with the mother country, and in many parts the governmenit was still unsettled, "1 but we know that they ne- ver can return to that state of dependence as to comi- mercial relations in which they stood heretofore." On look- ing to the .-state of our commerce with the United States aftr te spa tln'foia tis oumtry tough hie were to adm-it thAt thesam inusry,skil, ndentrprsewere-not to be expected in musebelevetha uner ny ystm clcuate toprooteindustry, theywoul ope a arke irhcis oul hav thegreaesteffect on Our commlyerce aid manufactures. InThi, tt o hns finding from the concur,ring testimony of all wh a okda h cam- niercial interest, that some parts of it were ha-npered by laws and reguilations calculated to prevent capital going into other particular branches--that it was clogged by prohibitions and obstacles, and hing dutie on tile rj.w m-aterial, to which were attached a system of drawlak, always, incomplete, in sousie cases giving tea much, and in others being altogether inadequate, andt at all events throw- ing difficulties in the way of the export trade finding this, it be.~ camie the duty of Government (having a srmll exces; of Cevenue) w ask if, 'rith thieir principles (and titose principles %anezioned by Parlimnt)Q, it was worth while to forego suich immense beniefits.in prospect, in order to make an inconsiderable remir-sion of taxation at present? Trhe hon.imemnber for Taunton (MIr. Baring) had obterved, that the exeess' of revenue did not exceed 600,000;., and that the s-avings calculatedt on four years might not be realized, Hie (M1r. Huskisson) admitted that the Governmient were remitting taxes be- yonid whiat the present staite of dlie.. finances would authorize; hut it was done because, if we were to change the systemi at all, it most be done now ; and thouell that change would not afford the country a present relief, it would give the country a chance to share in new oeningbranches of trade, and in the proiperity whicis would resuIt thei bes,t mesas of relief fronm dir'ect taxation would be afibrded; but if unfortunately, a change of ciroumstances should take place, and tim coDuntry should be involved' in war, it would afford us the best means of meeting it. It was on thiese principles that, notwithstanding, the unpopularity which miglit. result, his AMa- jesty's Gover,imrent had determ:ned to persevere in rercommending to l'arliament to make th's alteration in tie silk and woollen trades, whiceh had been opened by, his riglit honourable friend (the Chaii- cellaor of the Exchequier) on a former occasion. Till it was -stated in thtat house that no person w'shed for any chiange in the trade, he had not imagined it could be possible,- anld lie was suiprised that there shiould be any person who would not wish to be relieved fromi the tramnmels uwider whicli it labousred. During the last session the trade hadl nresented a netition to Parliament, but they then express- ed themseives to the fuailowing effect:-_(The ri%rht hon'ourable gentle. man litre read an extract from tlhepetition. lt stated, that although there was an imporzant improvemient in the manufacture, it was still depressned, and prevented by existing laws from att's5ning that pros- peritv to which it n.ight otherwise ar,ive. Possessingan unbounded supply of the raw materiel from our er-stern possessions, with capi- tal equal to any extension of the trade, and artisans whose skcill and industry rctuld not be surpassed, hey arrangements which m.ight be made, the silk manufacturers of Great Britain might still be plaeea in a situation to triumph over foreign competitioa3, and that silk, likce cotton, might be rendered one of the staples of this couin- try.) With suich st-atements before him (continued M1r. Huskisson) mny tight hon. friend came to the house under the conviction that the trade was depressed under the system now existing. The hon. memn- ber for Coventry hzd said that this was not a native manufacture. The hon. memnber for Tauniton would have the house believe, that tlhe silk manufacture, lie peculiar kinds of fruit, could only flourish tn particular' places. It. must be rdmuitted that Taunton was one of those favour-ed spots, betause, as the hon. member had stateid, there were at present extensive ailk-manufactures carried on there, and whilst, -30 or 40 years ago, there were no manufactares hut cot- ton and woollen, existing there. lie did not recollect who the per- eon miiglht be, that 30 or 45 years ago, represented that very re~spec- table borough in Parliament; it mi'ght have beets a very eminent merchiant, a most zealous advocate for the frecedom of tre-le, a wazln dicileo r. Adam Snmith,whsose publicationsmade thtirappearance abou,tethatf tine.If the Chancellor ofthe Exchequeroftliat dayhadcome down to thehousewith a proposition for placing therotton and woollen nianufactures on the same fc. fting as othierrmn~iufacures, withres'iect to which somiething likce a freedomi of 'TrO lt existed, he (Alr. Hius- kisson) liad no doubt that the then member for Taunton would have exclaimed, " How can you do any thing so injurious to thte best in- terests of the country as to medldle with the~ cotton manufacture? England has for ages enjoyed the exclusive possisqsion of the Wcale liarketi It is imuossible that wre caim compete with the fioe and deli- cate textures which proceed from thseindian tuanufactoties." Those were precis!ly the samne objea.tions which wvere now made to the pro-. paoed alteration in the silkc trade. (Hear, bie4r.) The house was told that the silk manufactures were not capable of be- inig extended by the use of machinery, and that their produc4 tion requiired more labour. than tlue of the cotton manufac-. tures. He eould also imnagine that the* objections to the altera- diots in the woolleti trade in the case which he had sups)osed, wouild have been of such a nature as these:-" You surely will not touch the staple nmanufacture of Britain. Think what the conse- quencesa will be, when native fia-itiel p.6tticoata and silk host shall cease to be worn." (A laugh.) He dared to say also that it would have bean mentioned as an~ ilstance of' the wisdom of our ancestors, and the.- stronigest possible proof of the high consideration in whichi the woollen-.manufacture hadl always been held, that shtosmds were made exclusRive of woollen cloth. (laughter.) He now brggcd the attention of the committees whilst lie stated what hadf been the progress of the manufacqure in the short period to which lie hadf alluded, in consequence of its being Pl-aced in the samne advantageouna situation in which it wa-s now pro.. osed toplace t'e manufacture of silIk. He knew of nothing in the Kstory of commerce which could be at all compared with Liet won- derful change which had tasken place in thie cotton trade. In the year 1780, tile whole expo)rt of manufac tured cotton goods of everv description amnounted in value to only 355,0001. In 1785, which was two years after the restoration of peace, when commerce was relieved fmrm the difficulties unde-r whichi It necessarily Ia- boured duering tie war, the iviole export of manufactured cot- ton goods aiounuted to no more than 864,OO01. At tthe same period -the exuorts4 of manufacturedI woollen goods amounted to niearly 4,000,0001., being, as compared. with the cotton ex- ports, as 5 to 1. At the present period, incredible almost as it might appear,theexoortsaloneof manufactured cotton goods amount- ed to 27,337,0C01. caest), being more .than 40 times greater than in 1780. (Hear.) The exposrts of woollen manufactures at the preseat moment were only 11,011,0001., being notl1-fourt,hof the amount ofthe cotton exports. W-here could Parliament find amore striking proof of the advantage which resulted fzrom allowing capital to find its own chaninel, er in other-words -of a free trade, than the present state of the cotton manufacture'exhibited ? He hadL hitherto been speaking only of the official value, which it was but fair to state was taken at a rate somewhat higher than the real value : but ac-cording to the best information which he had been able to obtain on the sulr- ject (and.he had taken some pains to acquire it), he believed that he was not over stating facts, when he said that -)lieTeal value of cotton goods, manufactured for exportation and home consump~tion in the last year amounted to 82,000,0001I. sterling. (Hear, hear.) He believeo. thiat he was perfectly correct in stating that the . cost of the raw material, from which those goods, to the amousiit of 32,000,0001., were manufactured, did not amount to more than 5,C00,001. , the rest.- of the nionsey went to) pay thie int~erest of capital, and the labour of thos5e emjployed i ca rrying on the manufaciure. When lie showed tbat. out of 32,0)0,0001., the produce of a maufacute,notless tha 2800,001. formed- the incomne of te cpitliss an th laourrs,he chought he had smiffi.. Zt wijex ten s ctO c n s ni-tte whether, if the cottontmanufcture had continued during the wa in. the state in -wbich it Stood at the -Commenceinent, the re- soUrces of the country would have been adequtate to the gigantic exertians which it miade ? Whether thelloPulation employed In htmanufacture amiountiog, he beiseved, to 1,200,000 besne.ad not asToAed more valuable encouragement to the egroutuite -Of -the country tnayreuaisfokeeping spartilc'ia jprices ?- (Hear, hear.) it was t'o the increasing wealth 'I te. - aipufaceturang popu'lation, and,. not to artificial regLulationa ror creating high:rices, that thelanaded interestopght to look as the means of relief r~om their present buzdens. WJat bad been the r&tult of the inaproVeMents in the hmaehfiery employed in the ma- nufacture of cotton-.;;thoae great inventions- whien surpalsed those which had been made in any othier branchl of industry'? Each ~f those great d1iscoveries caused some little iniconvenieucei to those persons who had fiefore produced the inanufxcture~hy manuallabour; out the-result had:poqen, that not only hi~d caipital been beneficially resqted in machinery, hut a grcster nuimber of hasids had been ens- ployed to manage it than were employedi before. VWbat was the ;tate of the milk-trade under the istposed advantageous lystemiof !itire prohibition frorm foreigh competitiob ? The systerm of mlono.0 ioly had prbdticed wi'th respmect'to the siilk trade tbae',which it Al. vays wouild prodace..~4ndtffierence with -regard to improvement. fVstboiit oompetitioh, wvhih gayelie to - imp,rovement, pro.. noti.ivcnioi1 ad et eope. hinciig;the tibanufactuer woudd hly.iauadee hat as te mot eonomical- plan oDf produb he atice.i whch-he deat. Hea, har4The system of-P ibitin whch - ad 'een mintaned*ith resmpecit to'. tipej. radehAd f~l he efect dfl~vin us iebbd bijilbu i hs~? ncho.isdusty~:.Monpoiywoud alwxyA bime thec chilling I bYpreventing genpius arom ei.Ud5oW,*gvsettu !which was provided for jmi Zr ltbrowqqjanidfwftjthodAlk, id~ indied in every purt of the process;, the Et" lll sis&isfCtse wg- far behind foreign mianufscturemr yand-$A s ceJs o isaoI tha be caus he was not exposed to compelitioni. le w seo to a bovne. the:cmmittee that thos .person. who. trbVht that the interests or the country- would, be best promoted by afibelrig I'M 'Ina"Iderable relief from direct taxation, insteadi of, Operiifngow sfial fo' dth exz ertion of industry, did not tithe tihe mhost wise view' Or=h question. Hie defended the change whichi his right ho,ties a feps oedin the silk-trale,not onlyfor tho reasons wbi4d li b stawe,"but 90r th=eertal principle that a system of ~monqpoly .*aa bad will re. feec o any article of generqU:cosieip&o4~ li beMAught the zommittee to consider all thle evills wbich fesulted fronm the present Aystem. It enab~led wuft=i-no~ up moa peesoi: in' the street arid take from hitn ibiy 4tlpIr,whfch0h* miht supposeo sbe of foreign manuxfature. By an6ils.lw, hihws the cehse. qUence Of the same -system, a Custoeni-houit 66offoe was %vtthorj7;ed to stop any gentleman whio might be ttaviallilt in his carriag, under' pretence of searching., for contrabandc, good -But 'what -Was most uncongenial of 'all to the splirit of the Einjli%h con- stitution, any person, at the law now. sitow], cotld ob- tain what was called a writ of astistiffiee, Which enabled himi to enter the house of Nis neighbour to Rearc hfor artic t% f foreign manufacture. -(fe,hear. Thadgts for the existing system maintained that the prnsddt f)Per cent. dd tia?orem would he inLsufficient to afbate rtcin ie ould refar to the evidence *hbiih theaie ireshdgenefe thi other hiouse of P~arliament, to showh*nonstu eji4r. In the firit-place, he would refer to the evidence of two mecas lthad visited Bngland and France to urchiasesilkto elinmris jctetwo gentlemen were asked what would be th ifkee n h i feicr market, bet*een certaini atidcles of FehanBritish inanufac. ture ? The reply was, that the greatest diirnewould be on the article of ribands, and would amount &o25 per cent. ,That, the house would pereeive,was5 per cent. ,ibei than theduity whichsthe Chancel- bor of the ExchequerisMtended toremain fd'ttbeprote6Rionbonhe Rngm blibhmanuifacturer. e woufld ne*ttieferto the eViden6 ofAMr. Hale, who was aiteminent matnufatturer in Silitaldelds, disiingished for his probity and his attention to the interest of those parwoils who were in his emnploymen. IBly. Hale stated in his examrination be- fore the committee of the House Of I4oras, &ts when he was in Pa- ris, the manufacturers there, ndt 'knoWin3g be was cncerned in the trade, offered to send any quantity of Frenich mnanufsestures. which he might select, to any part of London upon payment of an insurance of 10 14fr dtilt. (Hieat, bear. lute 1~ggEd the a t t6iti6i; of the corn. mittee en what followed. Mr. U ale being. iskMd whebthr a great. many French goods did not tiud theii War into tWrl,szntey, replied, in the affirmnative; but added, that he didlote consider thatt du evrili, becauLse there was a disposition in thek qounray to-wear any thing That- was foreign, and when aFrenc'hpattcnWPAIataireduoulitriwsacop1ed Immediately', aud foet one French piece ihat.waspu rclsaaed, a thoui- sand imitations were sold. (Hear.) That was zotamLr.- Falefarthet said, that it was not antincorrmon thififoi.ouni anlzfactuirers tocopy a French pattern, and send their goods to Brighton where by theaidL of flshwomen and sMug I" &they ~ ~ p a s,ga foeeign, it very high prices. (agtr)Hewits te coW*%doeftrsf*emi- nent English manuatrr htFec lkii~tb nrdre at a duty of 10 percn.wihuiuyooumnftresAte that, it could not h eidta h rsa au~trrwudb able to comipete with foreign manufacturswentywreiro tluced openly upon payment of a duty of 5 ecn.i hc ae too, the revenue would be benefitted, and teewudb-os.s- tering to that perverted feeling which considee asothi godun- less it were obtained by vilto of the laws. It was id-etosu. pose that with the Improvemnents in the machitiery employed n s silk manufacture, whidhi hiad tae lce d I had.beem akn raidprlress since tile trade had ei~e ~ teasseso Siaielos anti had been establishidin havchattd ad4. other pae,the English silk mnaiufacture wouild rjot b able io 6rnmst wit that of France. The deptdtation fronm Manchester- which haa arii-ied in town that alav, had distinctly stated, that if-simew*ere- granted to enable them t6 comnplete their irraniieenja,'.they would not be afraid to compete with the French rdatiafetrar in any mar- ket of Europe. (Hear.) He had no doubt that he should be tol1d by the parties interested, that the view whkch he took of- the subject was quite erroneous. Hie entertained great defereince for the opinions which persons conne-cted with sny branch of manLufacture midght express oi n matters of deesil, but it was not inconsistent with the respect whieh he" felt fdr those o1eraoas to declare, that witls respect to general p'o' ition lt i hte belehemto be thebest juges of what tended to teaanaeo hpItinterest. The reduct~ion of the duty on th a aeilwudouiWest create uneasiness amiong the broer,woarentecid their comfifils. sion before the duty was padItashedt of Parliament todetal with all interests whiich wr fbtdb great 'change, as ten- derly as possible. One ofthmotn erupais interested in the -system of monopoly, and ms natiu sectn a feeling out of doorj aFaiinst the intendcdcag,erthsprsn who were Itn- terested in shiuggling. He mightasoadthtaieantermis fomi ounimportant partO hecnedrc which had been formed against his right-hop. fin.( lag.) avgstited the grounds on which he ?aled nio ar1nen ogietei u. port to Governnment in the iMportant 4than. whc a otem~- platz2l, he would now, in the absente ofhsrht husnourable filend, proceed to explain th'e 'mole- inwi. that.- change wsto be eifected. The difficalty whih Government- hLa to c-ontend with was this-that if they wer to otpnthe remis%ion. of the duty, the consumner would act uon the fmpresstioii, that by deferring hiis purchases, he wrould heaLbuE to obtaihv the-minufactured article at.a cheaper rate than at present. The-effect ofmach afeeling on the part of consumiers, wo,uld -betothrow soosS nanufactusrers out of employment, which was acircumstance thatonghtlifpoeible, tobe avoided. It therefore appeAred tUjhlsMaliest `a Goveupeeon the best consideration which they coald give the tu~c.hnesescourse which they could take, with a view opstlgaentohe disqui4- eiude existing at present among thoewodpndfo subsist.. ence on their labour, was to make th enmo fte duties as entire and as speedy as possible.-ade hl, therefore, pr~opose, that instead of terminatn a. h tho uy as Wos originally intended the duties shol tpminee Ont the 2t of the present niohth. Tiaking this co-arse tdiwevens ta nainin this .branch of our commerce, taobeAm~SjtysMf-kawool not live without It, and to give a stirntlus to the manufacturer ta continue his present speculations,'atid to ezted hsit ftiture enter.- pnises, his MVajesty'r Government-felt themselves placed in a situa- tion of some difficulty with regard to those whohad a stoick of the'raw mnaterial on hand-a stock which, lie aa4 afraid, from tht recent sales at the East I nd-a House, would be found,to be noat inconsiderable. Now, with regard to them, he meant'-.to pfapoee that all persons having a stock of rasw silk on hand, or tgatoek of thrownsilkunot in a manufactured state, should he permitted to return it into ware- house, should then have the duity retetrmed on the quantity F* wa?re- housed, and should afterwards get it out again on the 25th of Mlarch on payment of a smaliduty - so that the benefit to the ma;nufacturer wol etesaving of thie difl'erence lietween the.present'duty on rawanthrwsilk and the seriaiditty,in futisretohe placed on it. The result of this plan would be, that the present4itdek would only be inapplicable to the purposes of the manufacturer du 'mg the inter- Val between the present day and the 25tlsof M4arch-lon I ati a s short, as, to prevent any suspension whittever frotft taking psace in the emplov-ment of the looms; for he wag confident'that the throws- tern would never think of stopping their operations for so trifling a difficulty as this measure seemned Ilkelye,o place in their way. It was perfectly true that there -would be no remission onm she naniufactured comnim,dity. He allowed that this was a hardship h ut it was one which could not, be obviated, and whic hbe'thought wou'ld not be very severely felt, as the stock on hand gould not-at the presentmo-.. ment be very large. Besides, the fluctuation in the price of the =rii, whic'h in the last few months had vsried froma 6Gs to 4th., ha ,fen been greater than the duty now remitted ; ana be there- fore muist refuse to take the duty oft the manifactored commodity, a-s it would evidaertly be an endless task to go inSt every -haber-- dasher's shop in the couintry, to rilan-jie his stok, aridtlieu to remisi him the duty upon it. These 'were the pelieipa ptitnss-which he had to saubmit to th~e committee relative to the ditties en silk. He now came to the other par't of the proposition-he rsnmt that rtlating ta the prohibition on f'oreign silk. It did appear to him, and on that point he was supportedl by the opbnon .of several eminent manufacturers, that owiing to the momopoly, with which this trade for some time haid been cursed, we wefte not upon sa level with the maanufaccturers of the coatinent~ Nowsevera=sezaufacturern- entertained sanguine expectations thfat if the prohibitio wPere taken1 off, we should soon not only be equal with,- bit should also surpass them in dying, weaving, and eve~ other-branchW-fthe manufacture. Though ia his opinion there had bn engonsidemable-oYer-statemtent of the danger lhkely to arise from writhdrawing the e3tistingk prohibi- tions, still he was not inclined to negkd# it xlt*~ther. He shouldi therefoie projmose that instead of the pabhibitioss teeMnltiatiythe same time with the duties, it should cd*nua sipt Juy Imm LA clanping of hands among the sllk-mij~uafstthee with -which the gallery was filled.] He thought that ir-ihe ptbibitfon terspinated sooner, it would be better for the coitryirv na slag better tdr thin trade itself; bat as mnany of those inte*te mint were of a diftribr opinion be *as not aver-seto yielding ui ometi" to cmcLiate-pre- judice.lhe tok thatcoDursebecausehe0fijsidered3tselikelyto, San- - quUihetf_erfadend bedauseheconsiderta s@lariebt moresafely, tbouilh moeeoeyassdjeoq.Sbh'et measures which he hatosbi becs iteInhehpef resolutions, and-he hdd .f.hitl h tsto ihwic it had heard him whis xliigtepieilsasWihhywr founded, and which,hetutdweelkytovcgealtsa- tion. The'right hon: et hnlr~ee,I -oeo oceIos inaudible in the gallery odti po1nwihlehdi view tbt alloWing mtinufactueg rt ~e~e nWaibbouses fer exportation, and for giigtedpi~tebstof' a drawback on the goods deposited. Te advan a-fthis.ytesm would- be,tbat any person who had a stock immene sve wossla be enabled to receive the drawback on it before-h ex~ i~t,- -and so would be placed, up to a certain 'wIne leelwtis l4ewvhohad,0r- chased the raw' material unde 'thP rp= reissifon of-ituty. Aftr eplanin th adantgesof his,cha~at some length, the rigt iouuraleentememade, tatit visot from 5by.oyer- attchmnt-toanysytemof olticleconompy bthat r t~ee ricile toth ue,i1etfemss behievitigtem to' be suchas o mn culdcalln qeston,ass frm bng.covintced thatthe ppllatio~of~jj~~ s~w ~sss.see ould-not- tall to be- eminently sjirvlcea~ble tote .OwtrUh'. -, Rf frdviocat- ing, such principles he should be accused of, *qnWC ll" srly-.to a liberal policyi he s~hould it once plead rsil to' 612 carfcpe4 for in his opinion to' bei liberal ih ntitters !cetm,wcis, psescy was to remove -the difficulties whickhiad k M#Uprveted a free intercourse be-tween different -natiop p~I= tedo &aeh the,ad- vantages andI epjesmnso h te-a es*z,psId and civfuizati'oii~ an,I odwst da-u~~teslia e nelicial, and eah~tndpitpe,wihw tecia4s increueecean the weojngy 5 Sir," continuedtesihho.atws1-1 be1oote countries, because ybigs fitMTttanutteItrs of my owne." (Ijp!cerngi hbaseiMI ahssAecse frofmiie silk-taesi hgley- h.sittbe te man thent read a re-soluto,o hc-h oeJ~Wsqbd* i Mllr BARING then rost, ana p4tu,ason but the ruethsfstrangerafrom t*e*Hglryi4rsAboh ftl bton ~esy't0oernotst ortheir disieeed 1s~n~p thi - tion, y~hsih the incured g~af ~obt?n preset.le conceiye h lni*psd~ etUo eie, ApdeeeIe psfesiti mreuieont, was interior f6 that of w M 'i _To~i AO - dylng,-a~nd .the tolour,. We sliould render it superior 'by 3V4dqntfie~in0uoFsllkrfrozn FrAnce?1re imploredadhe committee ttdike'd4rd~dedb'sidcbsitateraent, buttoconsider carefully the tholtarinstead of.tde specioui declarna-. slonIn hic thrigibon. gentlemamn liad Iriduiced iegarding it. ThatLead Wa&tp*~tsimpioving in coensequence of its having beeftreenlyei ancpted. from.soqerAl impolitic r6strictioni. it did ot;howver~pot an's of ltsiprodiice, except such as was of a *mi?~nanrenanely silk mixed with cottbn,or with woollens, or sil mae p ithefiAe of stockings. Its consomption was there- 'fbrreltlrly.onfnedto t:e ou'ntry and in-order to inciense it, it wasnowprjx,ed1o ive- te Eren'b ar,ufactnrer an opportun.ity of e eoti with it'irk.the English tuarket. If 'the country were t6gain any aeisanageto its kineral' Intirefta by sastrifieing this par.. tictalrinlerest, hi perhap~s tstight fiot feel so st?rong an objection ma he lo~wdid sq the-preopsfions of the- righnt hon. gentIeman * but lbe bid notheard of any adlvantagq VIAleh the country Was to obtain by it, andoI that Ihe he'd heard In its defence wAs, that it would pro. mote the free -printidples' of.ytrade. le allowed that freedorm of trade was a very desirable oatiecf, bitt then it-,ought not to be a freedom on all one side. WVith r5espectta the regutlations to whic6h ,the right hon. gent. intenided to submit organzine silk, he contended 'that they were inconsistent with the principles he htad that ni ghtpu fiorth-He hadl no doubt but that the shops in all the street; of L.=do wouldI be full of Frenchi silk;, if this regulation were carried. He did not think the consumptioni of that article would be confined to ladie41maids. The ladies themselves would be apt to buy them, since they wVere finer,- brighter in colour cheaper, and in short more to their taste than En~lishsilks were. W1'is was Adother of those ihupDrtant changes whichi It *as proposeed to make at onee, without in iryIn his; opinion the husie wouild act most wildly, if they su=rdsuch a sweeping alteration as this to be effected witliout 'n. Vestigatlon ; and ce;rtain it was, that wiith respect to, this cme,th hiouse lgd not been favoiured with any, informa,tion at al. The right hon. gent. had indeed given them' a flourishing speech on free trade, and the advantages of unfettered icommerce, but theye was no inquiry whiatever. The pyreeeding which would have best become this hiou'se was, to institute a calm and dispassionate inquiry before they resorted to such a rmegeure. The question had niver fafrly been gone into-they had neyer investi-gated the facts, for the purpose of ascertaining how far the manu&arturers of this country were! able to stand the projected competition willi the manufacturers of Frantin His own opinion sin, that those who piroposed this new Plan were cenplcely .ruiniig the silk manufactuye~ of Eng- land. They would find this out, wvhen th,ey had depri red thouandsof nr mnaidl?ecturers of their bread; and they would then ent our,under tire- inost ilisadvantageous circum-', stances, to retread their steps. He hkzd mainutely examined this QuestiOn, ihnordet, if possible, to come to a diffearent conclu'on; but after the most serious considerationi, he remaiaed fixed Ithe idea which lie had originally forined. Individuals, it 4eemed, hbad given the sight haoNOtrable gentleman the utmost encouragementf to prctee4 witti this iteasure ; but how did it happen that there was nota sin'gle petition on the table in favour of it ? (Mir. Htiskisson- 6(The fa~ndhester. petition.",). As. the committee 'were Tikelv to tolerate the resoluitions of the right bon. gent.,he wa-s glad that he~had goteyer. on~e petitioWf in favouir of their adoption:- If these French aeti- feas came in at a ditty of J(6or 1-6 per eeljt., how would the competi- tion ot the British manufacturers stand ? The answer was, the ma- nufacturers wiould hiave a homie pnotection-the ex-cellenceandchtap- iness of'their goods would ensure apreference He did not put mnch (it'ait ini this prediction. His opinion wait, that iTidisciduals would furnisth ftteir hoitses with French 'silkg, to the itifter discomfituire of the. English tuiatVmfkatures . He knew the French hid very great ad- vantages in the silk msmrufacture, . pafticularl'y in the article of mia- ,chinery. Vmormerly' they wefe told, that the use of machinery in the stilk manufacture oif England would.counterbalance the high price of labour. But now they found, to theii great surprise, that France hiad the atdvantage, not only of the low' Price of labour, but of more.- sklfl,ul machinery. Yet, nudes' these discou. rtagi%j~lrcurastances, they were requested. to submiAt ths thriv- ind pserouus manufacture, to s) dlangerous an ordeal. The right hot1. gentlemnap's statememi was, that owing to the sbackle~ on ihe trade, or the infceriority of the workmen, or to the dearness of labour, we weis likely to %6se this branch of manufacture, and to leave our rivals altogether in possOasion of the market. Therefore the right hon. gentleman wishedl to. alter the systtem, and be propos6i to allow a certain. perir~l 'before thaat ivIteration wasi finially. adopted- but what effect woutld this have ? It would entirely paralyze the efforts of the manmufActuters-the whole mannufactitre of silk would be paralyZed unt I that time arrived. No man would Ventuire to go on with Ls business uintil he knecv definitively whether he could, or couldI not safely entter into comprtitIon wit France. Those.who had capitals embgsked in thfe trade would not go,on wish, the silk-mi"uufact reg ntil thley could clearly see whaLt reslt wa liel to arise from teradventurouts spirit. He hiad y-rc et gpnaentleman ofgearespectability inthe 'eg whly inom( "r he would -haenothing more to do wt trade, until lie s&,* Ott was likely to becomne of the manufactatrers. They would gilinto this entaptition with faint hearts. The proud. est of them would find no energy for competition;- and, in con- sequence of their backwardness, all the labourers would be kept outof work. - It was quite clear, that the marndfacturer would not depend even ontbe speecli of the right bonourable genztleman as conclusive proof timt he would be a successful rival of the Frernch: He would, therefore, abistain from expending Ihisi capital until lie saw how the new systemn Was likely to work. As hie (Air. Baring) vie*ed the questions, It would be better, he thought, if ministers belie'ved the pOrinciple t&hfe gooa_(fo~r his own part, he looked upon it as good fof notbilig}--41,s'jia once, to prove its effects as soon as possible; insteadbfjlexaviuij a frade- in a dejected and lingering state, month after month;'sin1-.ihe period arrived wvhen thie gr eat experiment mnust eptt h et hywudhv a fairer chance of suc- ceedig if hy asand fo ea,which only had teeec fdtrythe h enryof the masters, end reducn teoetiecasoutehpleness. Nonre af the cir- cum sneecue ytergthn etea nspport of his plan afbiloteBiihmnfcue omc rsect of suc- cess et the supply of East India silk; and if, by a proper under- standitig with-,the Court of Directors who now had a sort of con- trol ilYer. hat article, thev could throw the trade more opent, it would be an alterationj of a berieficial nature. At present, the trade in East India silk was aTried- on in. such a way as to prevent any person from discqyering~whether a &iret, deseription of silk could or could not btr.pr.cure iomji -tb'st cmtrlt 'Tbe silk nowimprttel- wab in genergI coafiie ; but-articles of a very fine kind were sometimes mi- portedt fronm which it might be inferred that a much finer descrip- tion of sik mnight, if care were taken, be procured. The trade was still, however, in a very unsettled state, the Court of Directors -bavmnt Fslo*e mp and impeded is. If, however, Ministers expect- ed anty -i6od ftft this new measulre, they ought to take care, in the outsei, that a plentiful supply of the raw material should be. within the reach of the manufacturer. It would be futile, after tboyh&di dispirited and distresse the trade, to go about looking for th'eisawmaterial, whichthey thould have secured at first. The plain, It Aippeared, was to proe~ed to India for silk, and, at homne, to sit tip a system of competition with the Frnenh in a ma- nufacturi,'otsi knowledg of whicti the right hon. gentleman allow- ed to belip all respedts inferior to &at of our neighbours. He again called on the committee~to pause and iniquire, before they proceeded f'arthier. In thiat ease - if they ruined' those individuals, they ,would have somre jusfihication to ishow, since, they might aay-what they coutld- not-ut- present udo-that thiey hadl erred after a mature consideratiosi of thesutbjeeL Gentlemen might rest assured, that the mornentthis~plan was promulgated, the gret object of all those who had capitals-ernbarkein the manufacture wouldt- be to disen- tangle those- capitals - and those who had no capital, except their labour, would be r-eft to struggle for themselves. Air. WALLACE said, that not a word which had fallen from *thoua persons who impugned the poroposition went to deny the justice of the principles on which it was founded. Hitherto the opposition had been very much confined to individuals who repre- sened lacs tat ereconectd wth he silktsrade ; and who migt i coseqens besupose sobein some degree influenced by he ear an aprehnsins f teirconstituaents. Such appre- hensonsmigt, ithsom getleen,afford an argutment against themesue,butitwa nt s wthhi. He knew enoughbof those whower coneced iththi trde o ee liow extremely liable they were to alarm-to perceive how they trembled every nloinent for the sebtirity of the monopoly in which they had -embarked. He did not blame men for promotiof what they oDnsidered to be their own interests; but gentlomen ouight not to be too ready in bending to the arguments which they wore in, the b~hi ofadiucin- Tey ughtnot inconsequence of such repro. senatins,to badontha corseonwhich they had entered and wisly nteed-hatof xtedin sh prncilesof free trade where- everthe cold afey beintodued.Thesuccess of that system woul no ony h fo th beefi ofthecountry, huit it wouldc be for tIlebeneisevn ofthistrad isslf~ ut ne wrouild suppose, from the ppoitin whch he easue nw bfore the committee ex- perencd, hatthee ws smetingIathis particular trade which renere itan xcetin s al' rlessoething which made it wise to ontnueitIn ts resntstae, ontar tothoe piniples which o veind oter rade andmanfactres.Thehous waswared the other nigt,tha tey us no ty epeimetson this subject. They were not ryig epermens. f tey ereadopting niew principles, the warnig-wold hve ben poperl givn: ht thy wee merely callng ntopracicethoe tied nd ellknow prncilesof trade (Air. Baring) said, "The trade is flourisig ad weoghtop- tret it."' It wras c9mparatively fiourslg-iirstn-b h~ mneans which would tuppo-rt any traeevntemsusuedo this oDuntry-~flourishing under thehaispribtyssemht could be devised. It bad all the chaatro titoooy n the expe nse by which it was supported weg edhaiyotecun flouish Grat a th.nubezsnowsuported by it 'were, hi was tese,that by aoting a libera plcy, they -would soon be loub d. hbenft that would resl from yhi alteration he did not think so visionary as the honourable gentleman was dtis- posed to describe them. To prove the gzood effects that would reutlt ftom a removal of the proh1ibitory duties, the hesnour-abie gentle- man read several extats from the evidence given by Mr. WVion befbre the Lords' Committee, in which that gentleman- gave stas his opinion, that if the trade were thrown open, and this countr re- ceived silk from India, she need not be atraid of thecompetiuon of Fiance; sbe would probablv be able to supply the French market, ,1r. Wilson farther observed, that silk could be raised cheaper in India than in France-and England might be the market both for ryw iand manufactured silk, if the tax were taken off. If, as Mr. a ilson also observed, this cottntryhad formerlya goodatoeign tradc in siLk, why should it not return if this tax were taken off? If, at a,tormer perioi, they fairly met the silk of France in foreign iountries, why should they now be afraid to meet those siks in their own cotntry ? (Hear.) The hon:gentleman bad stated that *he price of labour in France was less than in England. As to the pice of laboui in the silk manufacture, he coDuld not speak to that; but, with respect to the cotton mantfscture, he knew the fact. An intelligent'individualioformed him, that though the wages of the labourr in the French cotton manufactory was less than that which 'asreceived by the -labourer in-England, yet the former did so lttle Work; copipared with the latter, in.a. given time, that laboar was ita'herdlelieer iilEngland than in France. He contended that, after 'All the rtberia r*essions of Parliament, it would be disgraceful to .tht house and fo 'the country if they continued this prohibition. 'The righf hij. gent. sat down by declaring that he viewed the neSureas dicideI' connecied with the best interests ofthe.country. -MfrBUTTER WORTH thoughtthat, as regarded all advan- . sage arld bf driwback, there ought to be nO difierence made -ietween lis sdik kerchant and'the silk.manufacturer. 'If it were atreed tq WUow tbe drawback to the merchnst upon all pieces uncut, tpersorli who hbd largea tocki on hand would fed les s axiety aibout -the mitesuft; . -Dr.' W.- P!EL believed that the silk trade would, and ought to be; eontsgnitli the arcugement as it stood.. .-Mr.DAVENPQRT objecteM to the measure propoed. As. tWthbat,the SkU tr#A&s verie.scre in their opposition, they d e~iee that they aia not want *o.hti~e anuoi.siet afsty-,.4 ft.; 'nrissionmountin M. jif o3&wa. INi wnusn chIerualrtherihan ~uinDaittoeeapmIissht . ' ,. 3fr. ?ht.te Dktrd4irsatw* iw -itiinble, to cotnfete withi tht of Afflanee W*eret$nWt:*o&unieuiey worse of'ns tothe pricw .f Labour-; beid,-h~*A vityu ihje,;and, in ahOrt, at ANl- pDints We bdteded~fde~We:c appeared by Mr. title's evidesce t-le siks could be insured at senmt at 15 per tntUPt urn, 'wifat 'hope could there beof our evee getn~ 1 e ent. duty when the greaLtest obstacle to graugglsa{th' -Inlty of sell- igthe g4ods after hoLdin ) Was: removed?~ letween the silk trae and the cotton trade tie dcnis d thtthere was any-anxlogy; and he did beg the. especlia sitentiok of the tight hon., entleman (Mtr. Huskisoon) to the sttgamoetof masterswhislost.the duty of 2S per cent., which they had paid on thcir stock In hand. -For thfe vets prociy oftrad he FenchhdtejcsedIt'; and rarely, if the-psin.. cipe o fre ta~ wa tobe tstbt we *ougt tobegin with get.. tin ri ofthecor lan, hic ~ i~egretest ealeting infraction of.hatpricipe. f toselaw wee tkenoif,srd thetuxes lightened uponthenecssaies f lfe,Bng ali ight Thnindeei be ia wan incomipetent. No quiestion, the ltaloewodd aea deal of good. Improverinents might be indi i mciey and in the management of our silk manit6acur eeay.Ada he looked forward still to the possibiliyoCabatg rneIth coxrserbranches of the trade, he thouhtha oeipllobud have been mnade for her taking our errsik,nreu fow permitting the importation of her fine ones. .Mr. E. IATTLBTON confessed that his opinion on the ques. tion had been altered by what hsd fsllen ftrom the- right hon. gentle- man (Mr. Huskisson) below him. He thought it would be conve- niet, owver asapotrtlo aaint muggling, that every French piecofelk hatwaslmpstesholdbatanpeat the Custom-house.. Mr. LLIC putit oce mre t th igth ts.esident of thec Boar ofTrae, heter h wold ot ivesome a,arase as to the mmese anuactredstoks n hnd.These stcshdbeen acculhulated, the. greater p art of them, ieen from a wis to keep the workmen in employ through the wnr.Ted4lite would go forth in a far more gratifying shape otepbil sohe Intimation were given that their rights would b osdrd M1r. WJWITAMORE was entirly in lhvour of tbe arrangemtent as it3stood. As for the reciprocityof trade, he did ot dre afirthing about it. f.ee us l.ook tothe amount of oar imrts,and bie e'xorts wotuld follow-they miustt follow-,.f course.Up theswme penn. ciple, although he had been by no means asn adv,usle for. the com laws he would not say that because we had not a free trade in con, we shoufld have afree trade in nohing le Mr. BARING made wmom remark, which wat mnt clearly audi. ble hi the gallery, respecting the duty to be left on osrsrrine silk. Mlr. USISSO said, that the duty on organzsne siilk, which was a species. of silk manuafacture (no, so): at least it zni5ht be oDmpared withd the case of ecotton twist, which was nevet considered i-n the same light as raw cotton-the du ty, however, upon thatsilk had b~een retained upon the general principle of keepiig theraw ma. teila free ftron charge, takinig care at the same time, in e,r other respect, to secutre an advantage to our own industry and msc;:ery, and an essentialpreponderance in the markets of the coualtey. AMr. BARING sad, that thrh~t ihoa. gentlemani i~oea laya dty f 3 in LIn. aly o-ntehighest mnusaulcactaprxrit whileb6prtpogegmateadtmrt reev.dt fnry1 per cent. on the ?lrst preparation of this sIlk-in oilber words, it was designed to lay a duty of SO percent. on, an article half manufap., tuered, and a duty of 30 per cent ozt articles qf the higjhest manu- facture. This did appear to hitm an extraoidirtry usetho of esa- blishin the rinciples of a free trade .Mr. HTebg added his entreaties to Cl fhis felend addrossed to the right hon. gent., to induce him, to gie some coosiJaration to the grievance which mnust be gufrf'erelh soma whol ba lasvge stocks. Hie was not hostile to the measure .f the CThanteellr of the Exchequer, buLt he had spoken with seve raliewhants, who as- sured himn that their loses would not be lwiessta fotonI7,POOI. to 10,0001. upon their stock. It never coulcd be the ob)oOt of Govern- ment to oppress individuals ; and the satwoult of dutitz,1wers they to be remitted on goods uncut, could not be felt as anr losis by the country. C-olonel DAVIES urged. the necesity of remitting the tses#pali for stock on hand. If they were wMiig to allow a dlr*w-.fmkXonx exports for the foreign market, why not alas itsthe goods irittirded for home congomption ? Mfr. BUTTER WORTH said, thkat a pond of Italran Organ'Me. silk sold for 35s. inflnding 15s. duty. We theagt htlat 7. 6d, the duty proposed to be left upon it, ill.proportloied to. thediaadviAstag which the mansufacturers, would enCounter lnr the repWa of the.pro- hibitions. Mr. HALD1IMAND said, that there slsesiddbe ul afllafnc for the stockon hand. The trde wasgenrally 6andnvke1 by. mory respectable persons. There c6uld be 3o -Ifuty in *djissln th drawback according to the rest value. AA oath inih head ministered in doubtful cases. It taight be uwoful f6r the Noise to know in what light the French sn*nufaeturera looked -up- on this measuzre as it regarded their intetests Tieboiulor- abile gentlemtan then proceeded to red a letferfmm 0.Lis manufacture, dated 24th February, in the originaL. But aehs seemed to be some difficulty in the mods oe coehmunieatlon, bre pro. ceeded to translate a few entences. The litte impoeed, that tha writer, who was ona his waLy to Italy, hatd heard of the. intended re. e]fthe prohibitions, which he aftributeA to the. ronidence of4he Wtshmnungter in the state ot the home sanalsfcactisr. odmitta to haye taken a spring forward since 1814. Hit merrospondesif, hov- ever, seemed to excpect grat advantages to the trade of Ilyons frann the repeaL The letter staed the value of the silk trad in baths countries. That of Britisk fabrics att 3,OO,0~,000 fmrac; that of. Frenc fabIcs t 00,0O,000 of francs--of which I",6OOwr manufactured at Lyons. For lil ows pazt, hetisoughIt that the period of two' years would I e sffcietat e~uflty tagisat an disadvantages, which could be ePIR-plaked, by thowe whoopposed the measure He beieved, thiisma certaindegree the French and the Engish manufacturers, In the views th'ey hadtstlren, were both wrong. The meaure daservd the suppor of -the house. At the same time be thought.the ptopos,lId r-emilt tite duties for tke stock ox hand was snore reswppabl than allowilig the drawback on the raw silk, which Was-only' a ~boon. tp *ae .forelgs prower or agents to whom the raw milk ist the warchoh csrhiedy be.. Ai.T. WM,LSON -thou#14Ltbat thei had beens so snackl of good will andl the spirit of conciliationahdit iC* o i- igto mneet the views ofall parties, that it w*old be best to with.. drw any opposition, and trust to their c I uoremode of "Mauuct. for some relief as to the duties alreay paid for stock es bea. Mr. PHILLIFPS urged the neecesity of taking offthe duteofrema the dying material. M1r. Alderman HBY(.&T.Ecouldnot coaceive what saI&dtimr tbesnanufacturers were to derive frm the ostpo enet of twO yasm and a quarter, whichol ,s h dage OK*t hat- tists He truste, however, that they would use the oposnity for viii against thee onequences, which would sseiarivetst e that tine. For hispart,he proteste gais hei dpSf af fine trade, unlese they, were iteard..hers Q =-hrea*d etjhe considtered free trade, so cale-d~,a.tiie greatbot ftroe wbacicould be [inflictd on the country (buar, hea, unless ipey- werepseiaed, to s through with it by -abolishing . the eobu 4aws, antd that coal not be! done without- endanerngehe very e4iaemm of the- In"e interest. Till it could bse dons, he mug thibt glIss cry Et free trade. Mvir. HUsKissoN wished thatthe ooaldisahlawa in making an allowance for the stock onhaad,whidihiediufi n,iodm bifh4strict equity,be necessary. That he wvsapLreprd W adII.But Caid beita intormed that thetrade generYally thought that thltihe tobeallowedi before the carrying thi'smenasueinto opeaslc,.woldseture there, from any considerable lose sw,leicetu uh that if upon consideratio lie could find butacsVas.fliO of arraingmn to meet thiat part of else subject he welbei"siuDQW3S1 to, sadpt it, especialy if he should also bd thatilt woUMA psodise little at no inconvenience As to the argument of the lihilt5b-tW =mIsubo (or Taunton, he must obserye, that of thre jtiWeS fee three: difiereta qualities of organzlne slkwhichhe held i,ifxbitsd, th b*"tsatwaa . 36s. and the highest was Wsb, which ailk via, te be.' * auy f 7s. 6d. (Mr. Barin said acrossthe table, Ath ax at 3.om-- prised a duty of I4, 100.) At any-rate, the. lbghm tOslties of. organrine silk woald not be charged with tI# bigksA di stper cent., while the honourable gentlemank haal rawe it at psCet Mr. ELLICE, after the handsaoe assturnce'U ,leEih o-. nourble enteman tht bewoul gs~c SalstsUdSu ta0: the uesionof utie pad fr adk at band, hsr~o iii the masur woul the atan,theugoftole(dOo&Wotil do good and tend to conciliate alloorpartiOul Mr. IALIMA D avisd tat hesabotldbe no division-. The resolution was then put andcarried. Mlr. HUSKISSON priaposed to molft th.re0thor9Ati0ftsad,f -11 right hon. friend, by way oflorm, Peovidadihi ~u~o1m~p posite would consent to take the d.xsmuvimt atstti 1s e did not wish to take them by xarpd6iss, ut, be- Vat ,deal.. rons of laying the whole plats ~AdI5( tha umA,ja and. maeaus before the hos,wIc ih h:d..b I rl the utis wre house, which e nth&bf*n be extinguished. Upoen the resolution for repealing te,hgis w egn. nufacture, and substituting a duty- of. *pikpibtsLa4tsaZre Colonel DAVIES Was vry -anous la lha" uNOe ~4aplanttiotl from thie right hon. gsnt. upnthear'ticl oCri&goes vowasi connected with a neshbou mtussuei h mann- &ctulre of gloves, an they 'wro-ralypphniit ht hadviuis sion of French gloves wouxld ac- ly eto. h oe rd.Thist waS a strovnger case thant that oieilwavnth .tlse caital. inyested wasless. M1r. HUsKlSSON trusted to the iloqpsse ofsecallsat Oelondl for satisfying his consftituents Of tbe -rsewiahilviiiis of those views of open trade in which her ha4 the, W"wm to agree with the gallantL colonel. Upon, the p4 var -k ardde e o the wre o earTh pohiitons hsl'vuW1 1.be tA away. as to draesikd wluns, and ishd t knw ithedity A gltisttono~ -lt -ji %eniP~ Mr. HUME wished the fiht hon. gent. to cimparutheuts paid on whale blabber with the bound aA*lee ig,t see if be oDuld noYt i*WVUlAgqY adopt Z-eupwA moe Wa.. counts in respet to th,l Mr. HUSKISSON.aid; thm tho-llw)e k bea*Wsregrsaqs Ifor,gvilltermOfy#; am; aswu "s atodi paweoudutbdpssd 1tistughaL ej4h bfreie the boosrw (hs aj)." Th eaa youtW Asomeriran Mtg i et e. ir,Iw Ihereladuc(ir. Plna thei,ltuftrse it dhra 6ie 16th instant. - I eoethen ltoe a&berwq *ietbp-u4 _ HOUSE OF COMMONS. Mn-.- N.a. O