House Of Commons, Monday,...
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ine irbAtttt, soon atte, tatlnythie chair, wzas summonied in the usual formr to ihe flor-e of Lords. UJpon his return he an- nounced that he had heard the roval assent given by commission to several public and private bills. (For which see Lords' report.) 11(i GAS. M[r. IINDSAY presentedapetitionfrom thiesliip-ownersof thr po-t of Dmndee. ;i favour of tAe lfiondon anttllVestminster oil gaS bill. Sir 1. COFFIN said that the coal trade and their gas deserved just as much p-otection as the Greenlani fishery and the oil gas, for the latter gave no assistanice dtiring tie war to tle British navy,while the coal tradie dlid furnish a Yerv large supply to the countrv. Sir R. FERGUSSON presented a petition in favour of the oil gas bill. from the ship-owners of the port of Kirkealdy, and in pre- senting it sid, that the Greenland fishery was always found a gool nurserv for seamen. SimiLar petitions were presented ffom the ports of Leith and other sea ports. Mr. H. DAVIS presented a petition from the ship-owners and others in Bristol, connected with the Newfoundland trade, in favour of the London and Westminster oil gas bill. Mr. AVHITBREAD nmoved that the Westminster and London oil gas company bill be committed.-The bill was read a second time without opposition. Mr. P. MOORE. in opposing the committal, stated, that his in- tention was to have opposed the seconid reading, but it hail passed without his noticing it. He trustetl that the houise would not sufter the old gas company to be interfered with in the miianner proposed by the present bill. le moved as asn ameadment that it be commit. ted this *lay six months. M1r. GRENFELL declared that he was a consumer of gas, and thought that if there were two gas companies instead of one, the public would have a better stepply of gas. He should, therefore, supoort the original motion. Colonel DAViES said, that he should not object to this bill, if he thought that the intention of it vras to give a better supply of gas to the public. He contended, that if this comnpany were allowed to undermine the streets of the metropolis, and to lay down pipes for their gas, they would give neither a better. quicker, or cheaper sup- ply of gas than the public had at present. He should therefore vote for the amendment of his hon. friend. M1r. Sy-xs and illr. ELI.IcE addressed the house in favour of the measure, stating, that great expease had been incurred by al- lowing it to pass the second reading, and therefore it was but fair to send the bill to a committee. Mr. Aldernan BRtIDGES and Mr. Alderman C. SMLITH opposed the measure. The house then divided. when there appeared- For the commitment, 74 1 Against it, 71 1 Alajority 3. The bill then went througb a cormmittee, the report was brought up. and ordered to be received to-morrow. Mr. Alderman WVOOD presented a petition from iMir. J. WVil- rams, of Comnh-U, praying for leave to form a committee to make subways in the city of I,ondon. Mir. J. MART[N presented a petition against the Hammersmith bridge bill-I,aid on the table. Mlr. BALFOUR presentedl a petition from the inhabitants of lrkncy, against the attorneys' bill.-Laid on the table. l ord STA:'LEY presentedl a petition from the solicitors of Prcston, as we understood, agtainst the same bill.-Laid on the table. Mr. F. BUXTON presented a petition from the inhabitants of WaltharnAbbey,and several other places,prayinc forthe amelioration of the condition of the slaves in the *Vest Indies, and expressing their readiness to contribute,as far as in them lay, for the attainment of that object--Ordered to be printed. The honourable member also prsentted a petition from Dalkeitli, for the gradual abolition of slsery.-Ordered to be printed. Ir. a1. DAVIS presented a petition from certain merchants of Br;stol, engaged in the foreign vool trade, praying that the altera- tion in the duties should not take place until the 10th of Septem- ber, and that they shonld be allowed a drawback for the wool on hand_Referred to the commnittee on the wool trade. MIr. CURTEIS presented a petition from the wool-growers of Bro:nley, in Sussex, praying that the alteration in the laws relating to wool might be postponed till the next year.-Referred to the com- maittce on the wool trade. Mr. KEN\NEDY nioved that it be an instrction to the com- mittee on steam navigation, to consider of the propriety of carrying the mail between Scotland and lrelanid in steam-packets--Ordered. MUr. CURWVEN presented a petition from the inhabitant8 of Corkernmonth, in favour of the county courts bill.-To be printedl. Lord A LT If 0 RP presented a petition from the tradtssmen of the towa of Pembroke (as we collected), in favour of the ceunty courts bin-To be prirnted. On the motion of Lord ALTIIORP, the further consideration of lthcpre ort the county courts bill was postponed to the 3d of May. Mr. GRATTAN, in the absenceof theriglithonourable member for WVaterford (Sir Jobn Newport), presented a petition from the inhabitantas of the parish of Killardiff, in the county of Kildare, in thopiionfthepetiione n,btnded toienicth clergy-Ratethed to he elct ommtte o arisns ndmachinery. Mr. HUMB presented a simillarpetto fromi the operative me- chianics and others, inhabitants of thesw anda neighbourhood of Northallerton. -Referred to the comiteon artisans and mla- chinery.COAL TRADE. Mr. Alderman WlOOD ro-se to piresent a petition from the brick and tile-makers in the neighbourhood, of London, praying for the remnoval of the duty on small or screened coals. It was a pe- tition of great importance, not merely to those petitioners, but to the public in general, and he hoped the Chancellor of the Ex- cheqer wuldtakethe ubjct itobis serious consideration. In onsquece f te dty ow mpoed upon the importation of coas ito ondn, hatspeies~f oalto whiich the petition refer- red as astd ad dstryedyealy,to the amount of tens of thousnds f tos. Te ony us mad of it in the neighbourhiood of te grat odieieswas,the onvrtin ofit into cinders, for the puros of preparng loamn. A vast numerof manufactories were now caried ointhe neigzhbourhood of Londen by water, instead of steami, the reason of whiich was the extiavagant price of coals. This wrould not be the case, if thiose small coals were suffered to come inito thle market free, or at a Yery low rate of duty. They would also be of great use to thie poor, since, as was dlone in various parts of the country, they could be made up into fire-halls, whiich formd averygoo speiesof fel.Suchi coals could be procured at aout6s.perchadro, ad, f amited into London, a -fery con- sideabl quntiy wold e cnsued,much to the benefit of the coalownrs,of anufctuers an ofthe public at large. A si- mila rearknsihs e mde ithresect to culm, which could be proure in'Waes t Ld. chldrn,or ton. A good deal of it was sent to the west but it was almos interdicted here. If it were allowved to come int London at a cheap rate, many hundred thou- sand tons would annually be used which were now ae-strayed.-The petition was read,. and ordered to be printed. M1r. WHITrMORE presented a petition from thie town and neighbourliood of Bridgniorth, against the coal daities.-Laid on the table. 11r. R. CLIVE presented a, similar petition from the iron-masters Iof the county of Salop.--Laid on the table. ASSESSED TIAXES. Sir T. L~ETHIBRIDGE presented a petitionl fromn Axbridge, in Somersetshire, for the repeal of thec whole of the assessed taxes.- Ordered to be printed. TEA..TRADE. Mr. nulME, on thle part of the hors, memuber fdr Shrewsbury (Mlr. II. G. Bennet), moved for a series of pavers relative to the quantity of tea imported and exported by the East I ndia Company for the last seven y~ears; specif'ying the ditTerent qualities, the prime cost, the charges of freight and tonnae, &c.-Ordered. COMIPENSATION TOAT'TORNIES. Mr. H UM E rose to present a petition from an individual named Samtuel Jones, of Barnard's-inn, attorney-at-law. The petitioner stated that he hiad practised as an attorney for uniwards of 28 years. Thiat a staimp dlitty of 1 10 and atterwards of 120 guineas, hadi been imposed on all persotis takitig on tilens to learn thie busriness of an attorney; thiat, besides this, eachi attorney was obliged to pay 121. a vear2for a licenece, wliethier the profits on hIis business amoutited to 601. or li0,0001. This taxwas, evidently unequial, and was therefore uinjutst. Th fe pititioner allegetl, that by the operation of th ii3d of the late King, cap. 102, commonly called the Inisolvent Debtors' Act, lie lost a cotisiclerable portion oftilas practice; and, as he untier- stooil that by a bill now in pirogress thirough thie liouse, it was in- tended to grant compensation to the Chief Clerk of the King's Benchi, anti several otlier legal officers, in consequience of losses wlichl they were expectedI to suffe~r by the county courts bill, if suffredl to pass, lie thoiught he hail an equal riglht to pray for compensation for tile inijury his business Avas likely to sue- t:din ir the county courts bill were agreed to.-Laid on the table, and to be prinitedl. NEW CHUIRChIES. M)r. .TA:i1lES presclente a petitioni fromi certain inhabitants of the city of( arlisle, agaiust thec expenditiureof the public moniey in the proposed erection of new churches.-'obe printed. Mr. HUME rose to present apetition, signedI by 1,100 orl1,200 inhabitants of thie township of Manchester, wlio disapproved of thie proiected explenditure of A00,0001. for the building of national churches. The petition coulcl iot fail tinder thie censure of thte hon1.miember for Sussex (51r.Curteis), as, not being reguflarly signoed. The signatures were extremiely resp,ctable ;and lie uniderstoodI that ev,ery one oftllem was areal aiidlbo?nafi,des~ignatiire. The petition could not, therefore, on thtat groundt, nieet~ with the opposition of' the lion. mnemlber. Thie petitioners stuted, that if chiurchies were necessary, the expenise ou ghit to be exclusively borne by thiose wYho wantetl, sodi those who atetaid(ed thieni ; whiereats, by 'the existitig law, all persons, including those whio dissentedi fromi the clitireli of Eng- land, nitst pay for building those churchles, andl contribute also to the general inainltenarnce ofthlleclergy. The petitioners then went oni to shoew, by a statemient of" the nunibers who nttended certaini P,rotestant ctl"trce'le iti IMatichester, on partienilar dlavs whiich tiel set forth, that there was nio necessity for the buiildingz of new orncs, a-, on those occasions,thiecongregations whiich were couinted didi not fill one twentieth part of the space whichb was tllotteul to thetm. 'r ite pleople oif .1dncltester felt so strongly thie in- justice of being called oni to conitribute to the building' of isew echtrches, that, on, itie tli of Mlay, 1820, a itiretisug was convenled in onie of the principal churche-s, for the purpose of' expressing their oJpinion on the suibject. Oni that occasion the church was filled. WVhen the di,uctt.-sion %as conchuded, aslhow of hands was called foir. when tliereappeared to beabouit 2t) to I against the proposed erection' of niew chutrchies. A division wa-s theni calleg for, anti the rmajority, against the prjet was overwhelminrg. An account of theproceeding %vas seith to Vi9Sc`ount .1idmsouth, butt the plan went oni nevei theless. Th'le hoin. gentleinan conetcldedl by stating, that the petitioni definii- tively prayed tliat thle grant of 500,0001. miglit be refusted by thle houls'e. fie Iimiiself regretted nauicti that Parliament even so t'ar "ad agreedi to it ; anti would cestainly, oppose its going sisiy f'etrtler, with all lie ineati, in his power.-Thie petitiois was thien reatd, and orderedl to lie upon thie table. Sir R. FERGUSSON declared, that the grant proposcd was a mostuseessapplcaton f te pulicmotey.HeI kiirw, of hisi owni knowedge tht ina paishof Einbugh,where the populationi had apily tsc'ase, to nw citirhesanda chapel of ease liad bret buit b pubic sbsciptin w thintese few years. The prin- cipleobser~ it thes churhes, as to adit mnere paupers free of aily expense, andi to chiarge tsaechianics, ad persons in decent employ, a -itiiliitig a ye!r for a seat. Ife (Sir RFergu snoit) miuchi Avrshed thatt Ithe Paraianentary grant were let aloe,I atlmlhad nio dotubt of soon fitiditg rlaces of worship, whierever a real necessity existeult for thlem. Mr. H IME1 saidi that onl Wetdnesdav next lie shotildi m-ove for an accounit or' tiem rannec in wliichitlietnulliotialrea,dygranted hadb2rn disposed of. Atthiesiaime timie lie slioululnmove forecopies of all trea- tics existing between the E-as%t Inctia CoinpaRy and thie native chiefs oif Sumattra: bie did this wvithi a view to show the inspolicy of certaini proceeitlitas at presetut peniding. M lr. B3ROWNL,OW presented a petition froml Armaghi, praying tiur the abolition of slaverv in thie colotiies. Also a petitioi f'romi Freemasons at Arnuaghi, 1rayiing that they might ilot be includeel in thle act against secret societi'es. Sir M. W. Rl I)LBY gave notice, thiat oil Thiursiday, the 27th of May, lie would iilove a resolution upon the expediency of'revising and consolidating the statutes. FOREIGN GRAIN. Mlr. IIUJSKISSON zave notice, that ot, Wednesday he wouild move to britlg in a bill, enabling thte hiolders of foreign wiseat in tldiscotuntry to cotivert it h,to flour for the purpose of exportation. ALIEN ACT. On thie inotion that thie alien bill shoulmi be readl a thiird time, Lord NORMANBY rose to express liis decided aversion to the measre. e fet plasur in earig-nt Ihtivitig been present on the formr eenins o debte-hat hiswasthe last occasion on wvhichi tIlequetio wold aveto e aitaed n the house; but he feclt ithis dut t opos i, eenforth lmitd erod to which ministers werede- airos tht itshold b coninue. Te noble lord, after protesting warmly against the gceneral principle of the alien act, admitted the grea iritywithwhih is poershadbeen exercised ; that fact, howeer,as i semed o hm, frme nosufficient apology, even for the astexisenc ofsuchan uthoity th feelings of liarties liable hadnotben te lssharsse, ecase her prsns had remained freefro inignty, hisLorshi satdow bymovng,as an amenmen. tht te bll b red a thr tieti a ix oths. Mr. LEYCESTER understood th obec ofteainact to be, to prevent any- conspiracy from beig freinEngland against the powverof the Holy Alliance. Suc a conspiay in hils opinilon, would be a virtue rather than a crime ; and ifeve one dlid arise, lie trustedi that rile blessing, of Providence would be wihit. Coloisel PALMER statedl, thazt being one of the half dozen indi. vidusals mentionetl in a late speechi, as opposing the general voice of the house and~ nation in praise of the measures of the Governmient, he rose to defend hiis opinion, and declare his3 o'~jection to this bill, considering it to be only a farther measure of th~t weak and disho- nourable policy wlichl agravatedl the danger of the country. For what was tIle object of %e ministers ? It was not thte security of their own Government, hut those of the Alliedl Powers, and to con- ciliate those whose condluct they had reprobated in the strongest terms of' indignation in the last session, but whom, in the present, they had not only flattered by their praises, but had actitally invited to keep possession of the country of wvhich they had so basely and treacherously made themselves masteis. But putting all honour, truth, or consistency out of the question, the effect of the rned.. sure totally defeated its ititention ; for the iiidignant, but ho- nest, language provoked by the discussion, and circulated through- out Europe by means of a free press, must goad the hosti. lity of the Allies, their lisatredI to England, and their efforts to destroy that liberty, incompatible witithea principles they had es- tablished on the continent, and had pledged themselves to m-auntain. The m-inisters, in the fate of reason, common sense, and all the acts and declarations of both parties, still boasted of the good under. standing betwixt thein; but how was it possible these despotic Powers couild be actuated by any more favourable sentiment than contemipt for a Governnient wliich, whatever might be its own feel- ing, weas,unable to control the feelings of thse nation ? For these rea- sons, anti from a conviction of the hourly increasing danger of the country in this cause, which admitted of no compromise, and wherein the ministers, from whatever motives, were aiding and abetting by their conduct the avowed object of France and the Holy Alliance, the honourable member once niore ventured to address the house upon the subject. And first, he must return his sincere thanks to his right honourable friend below hum for his answer to the speech oh the right honourable gentleman ; for it was the weight of his judgment and opinion of the state of Europe, the conduct of the Allied Powers, and their designs against the liberties of En-- land, which had encouraged him again to stand! up in their defence', and would, he trusted. justify every sentiment he might utter before lie resumed his seat. lBut the question of foreign policy was so involved in thesystem of theGoverneiit athome,he mustnecessarily- refer to both in support of his argument, and would begin by an- swering an observations of the noble lord, who, in the late debate upon a paitial question of reform,had so pointtdly alluded to the case of the city which lie (the hon. member) represented, and, to whom he must declare, that for the same reason which had influenced his vote in thecaseof the city of Edinburgh, he would have voted for the destruction of every close and rotten borough represented in that house; for he considered all half measures, whether of foreign or domnestic policy, not only to be ustless, but dangerous and deceit- ful; and so far agreed with the right hon. gentleman, who, as the dietermineA ene y to all change of the existing system, had openly declared he wlouTd consent to no compromise whatever betwi. t the preselst state of the representation of the people and a complete and radical reform. Upon this issue, thehon. menmberwoaldenterthelisrs with the rght hon. gent. whenever that question might be renewed ; andin the meantimehoped that his hon. friendswouldmakeup their minds to a measure, which, if their own picture of the danger of the country was true, was time emly remedy foz theeviL. For what could aLoer tne lretdiviteho n,( a numer of merbers who had soted In the n-hJor.ty left the h-uve, not expecting any farther divisi.on, nnd several Sohers came in lu, voted in favour of the bill In the subsequent divi. nlnnc. amongst wh,om wvere the folloNrin- their eloquenee avail, unless they would act as well as speak ? Why moot these Spanish questions, and complain of loss of honour oir danger to their liberties uniless they coulda.redeemt the one anad sayethe other ? Why tall of their recognizance to keep the peace, unless they could suggest the means to pay it off? WVhy vent therm. selves in impDtent abusxe, insulditV and provoking those who could' niot call them to account, -but amiglit their country'? or why turn Job's comforters, and remind the nation of her danger, instead of setting their shoulders, to the wheel to hielp her out of it ? For what prevent them? Wa&t inatuation',what letharTgy had seized them? WVhat ghost stood inthieir way? What night-mare sat upon their breasts, and, in spite of aill their'efiorts, J:rinned them down ? For himself he saw nothing but the danger of his counitry, and could look to nothing but the means to save her. In her cause, thete was no sacrifice but he would make, no hazard hut hewould encoun- ter ; and all the reward he tsought was the glory of her servicm In her cause, he would say with Hotspur- "By Heaven, mnethinks it were an easy leap "To p luck bright honour from the patle-faced moon; it Or dive into the bottom of the deep, "Where fathom-line could never tou'ch the ground, And pluck up drowned honour by the locks. "But out upon this half-faced fellowship :" for unless his hon. friends would go all lengths, and make all sa- crifices of priyate interest for the publie good, there was no salvation for their country. " Virltus sole niobilitas" was the motto of his heat, ndhe opd to eepy ritendown to he erased by any temtaton hic th vaityof hisword could offer it; and it was ther alne, nd ot t th motos n teir shields, that true nobility anda hgh-indd aisocrcy oul reerthose who once looked up to the,anwho so til.wh~ieer heiconuctndexample deserved it.Th ho. embrw~ cnvnce tat e ppele totliose whio were ifunebythe same feelings withi himsl,ad as individuals wudmkthose Sacrifices which they deprecated or des paired of as a body. H e was convinced, for instance, that the noble patron whom his lion, and learned frienAd had represented, and not the people, in his late motiorn for reform, wouild re-adily sacrifice his pri- vate interest for tie public good. Nor did the hon. member say it from his personal esteem of the indlividnial, but because the whole tenour of his public and private life gave thie assurance. So, too, wyoHld a host of others, the flower of the aristocrary of the ination ansi who, in thus coming forward,wouldcarry the whiole countrywithtiecm. iNot that hie c-laimed the monopoly of his feclings, nor any merit but that of treading in the steps ofthose who liad set the example, an-1. above all, that individual who, upon the question of reform, and altI othiers involving the honour andl interests of his country, had ever stoosl forward; whether in or out of thathbouse, the firmest, warmest, and inost consistent friendt, botlh to the Crown antI people. But to return to hiis noble friend and others, who could not agree with thein upon thi sujcfrfr. Wihat was the difference of their feel- ings, unls thtte eeconscious of their own worth, but had a bad opino othwrl;whilst the hon. memiber and his friend, thotught betro akn, anti that otlhers might be as hionest as themselves ? For they believed that God hadl implantesh the samne feelings in every humata breast, and that education only mnade the dlifferesice-niot the education of college-s andl schools, nor even writing or readinc, but simiply the education of examnple and good goverrnment. They contended, that the government of a nation was lik that of any smaller body ; nior could a better parallel be founid titan in his own profession. Suppose, then, a nation and a regimenit, and the mioral character and conduct of eachi to be equally good and uniexceptionable. only put a fool at the head of' either, andI itmut fall to pieces. Let the svstemi of eachi be perfection itself; tl" of one entire andl perfect chirys-Er lite ;" again, lie w-ould say, put but a fool at the hiead of either, its honour, pride feeling, nII'lme "Vea, all that it inlicrit shall dissolve, "And, like the baseless fabric of a vision, "Leave not a wreck, beliird." A knave, in such a case, wvas infinitely preferable; for, without a heart, if he had judgment, he would learn that honiesty wvas the bet- ter policy, andl might at last dliscover that lionotir, chiivalry, and a straight course wvas the best road to his am-bition. But a fool lhad neither heart nor lhead ; lie neither saw nor f'elt be-ond the circle of his4 own contracted mind ; ancti witlh the vaniity of tfi knave, withiout Ihis sense-give hiim only the power, he never failetd to abuse it. The lion, miember hoped thiat in that houise lie had beeiinoit egotist; and thant thle idlent votes, which, during 10 years, he liasl given in almost every instance uipon pub~c qluestionis, miighit protect hinm froint thie chiarg, if in support of his argntinent upon this important subject li rfere tol" w e~rec or the fact. Tue case lie would 4uote was that of the regiment to hichial lie once belonged, which, troni the worst possible state of drunikenniess and nieglect of dluty, was in tie cotirseof only a tesv weeks brought to th9! highest dlegree of discipline and goadt ortler. Anid lhow was this effectedl? Simply by juistice, tirmness, humanity, aiid coimmnon sense. Governed by these principles, this regiment (asi statedi in evitdence before a court) was% cotisideredl as a pattern to the service:. and so coitiinueti as long an such mystemn lastedi ; bitt the systetit being again chatnged, the sautle corps, whiceh had beeni the admiration ot the ary bene ist reproach, atid tdie object of thte sieverest censre of its leade:r. n so it liaed been withi this country-, for slite was once, in every senise of' thie express-ion, thie greates't nation in slhe worldI ; but, alas, lhow chianged ! Shle nowy stood degraded, insulted, despised - a bankrupt in character and fortune, anid what was worse, lost even to the sense of lher own dishionour. Nor was it his own opiniion that he urged, buit thtat of Europe and thie world, anid especially that Go- vernmient whlese strenigth and resources were tie miain spring of these combined powers, which, withiout a chiange ot'systemi, miust workte rue iii oftlite cotintry. Let the house look to the policy and intentions of the Frencli Government, atid thieir opinions anti criti- cisnison the speeches of miinisters uponi the Spanish aiid Southi Amie- rican questions, and it would fluid, whiatever the case betwixt thec Goverrinc-rts andi the people, that betwixt the Governments themi- selves-viz., France, Spaini, anti the oillY Alliance on one hiandi,and Eniglandl on the othier-thiat Eaglatnd, neithier in justice, honour, nor conastsency,had an inich of groutid so st',tid on. But to return to the pre- sent sYstemn. It was suipposedi to be thielawof nature, that all nations whichi riseand flosirishmrustsin theirttirn decay. Butithe hon. myemiber contended that nations niight always floiimish, buit for thenioralcauses of' their rttin for governmients were mnoral strrtctuires, easily damiaged or dessoyel ; bUL mlight always be repaired or rebutilt as long as thie miaterials existed. See Spain, f.,r instance,! WVas ever a noble edifice in sucli a state ofruisi ? For look at what slite wvas and whiat shie is. But still ithe nmateriah4 existed ; for it was the samie country and site same people-nay, a better ; ior it had been the education and improvement of'the people stiuggling,nottonly against tlie ignoranceandi barbarity, oftheir ruler, but the open hostility of' thie com-binied Powers, anti time basest tr.achiery oti the part of Eng- land, ,vhiclt had p: oducedt the present chaos of horror atid confuisioni in that devoted country; Oar it was base to instult even ait ciienmyv when talleni, anti how muchi miore base, not only to betray a f'riend, but to bilacken his character, to excuise your owis coniduct, not only totearhimii fromi his, country, friend,q, children, wife, and all that is detir to his affbetiotta, but e'ven to dleprive hirn of the only consolation in his niaiitbttunc. " Wh'lo steals mny purse, steals trashi ; 'tis somestliiig, nothiiig " "Twas minie, 'tis his, aiud liasa beeti slave to thousandis; " B3itt lie thazt fiilches froiti tuie niy goodt name "Robs tuie of that whicih not enarichies bliis, " And makes tue poor indeed." So the pooraSpaniard, after bravely fightitiig in liia country's cauise, un,til his lSt hiope forsook him, was now calleti by, those who Iprayed for lila success a cowvardI and a fool. Nay, worse.-alt idiot foir whio but idiots, in spite of all they hadt seen, anid was still before their eves, coula prefer absoluite mionarclhy, andt KCing Ferdinandt, to thle li1eSSing OfMcostituttitonal libertty? But was ever assertoio so utterly false antIisinfoutided-so revol1ting againist rea- son atid cotititioti sense, or so foul a libel tupon the wisdons anti jiss- thce of the Almiighty ? for, if true, it at otice reduceed humnan tiature below the level of the brute creation. Atid whio was the authior of this libel? WVhere had he fonnied this opinion ? Whllere hiad he imnbibed his knowledge of' maiikind, and of' the Spanishi clia- ratter ? In the setiate, conventicle, or public feasti? In ithe Bible society, or Caledonian ineeting ? But wherever it might have been, or whoever lie ouight be, the lion, miember would repeat it to be false, and State the evidence to prove it. look at General Alina; was not lie a Spaniaird ? Look at his brave army'; were not they all Spaniards ? And were there no other Afina's in San? Nrre there not thousands of hiis countrymen, to whm God timd given the saime heart and understanding, and who, in Mfiss's place, would have acted as he had done throughout ? But thty could not all be leaders; and amongst those who had been, whbat country bare the bell ? He would answer, Spain ! For of all the herei ftep.sn a,i his opinion, and he believed in die eye of God, there was not so geat and good a man as Mins. But be that as it might, he was at least an honest nian ; and of all others the most competent to speak to the chiaracter of his nation. What, then, said MNina, and every Englishman, Frenchmtan, and others who had been upon the spot, and with whom the hon. member had conversed uponi the subject ? Onie aad all declaread, that with the excepttion of the priesthood, there was not a man, or rather a mind in Spain, but hailed, not haLted, the constitution. AMiua, too, declared, (as the hon. member contended), that if ministers had sent but half their ships to Cadiz, and by re- pealing the foreig;n enlistment bill hatd only unlocked the ate t letout Bitis hears tothe cause of injured ~pai, te fag f cnsttutona liert wold ew ave been fl1m~ poncvcv frtrss f te kngdm. his to, ina dhe- was ll heystod h ned o; fr a toseningtroops to bettr fr bth ounriestha a ritsh oldier hiad never entered it, and ministers had confirmied thisopinion by thieir own argusiusents; for who, in a late debate, had reminded thte hiouse of formaer jealousies bie- wittem as awarning for thefuture? The proverb said," liars sdhoudhav,e good memories ;" and so should politicians, who could make use of the very arguments urged against themselves when do- ing that which titey Fcow pretendedi to he the wish of their oppo- nents; for when they sent troops to Spain, their opponents said to them, " If En gland were invaded, would British soldiers stomach that Spaniards should defend hier F" Then, why in the case of Sgaitt, should the proud Spaniards be less jealous than themselves? Such wer th arumets f cmmo sese,which, if the ministers had the cosuled,woud hve ave Spinfrom France, and millions hdreally believed and wished it,why nthv aeasrnedul sur by casting their trident and t1tmsndc a hyhdcle hm knew but too weli: her ministers were neither the madmen nor fools they had been called, nor like these modern Afachiavels who had inherited the feeling of their prototype without his brains. The French ministers, on thie contrary, in the conduct of their wicked policy to which they had been driven by the English Government and the 8oly Alliance, had acted throughout with ability and cau- tion, feelingat every step the pulse of the British nation, whilst her Own ministers were Iying on their backs, bound hand and foot. For how stood the fact ? Ila4 God listened to their prayers by deliver- ing Spain from her enemies, and their predictions of the downfall of the Bourbons had been fulfilled, the same ruin must have fallen on themselves; for how were they to have commenced another revolu- tionary war, with their recognizances of 1100 millions to keep the peace? It was utterly impossible. WVhat, then, was to be done ? Honest ministers would have seen at once that reform was the only remedy; but those who had lo;ked onily to themselves had sold the reversion of the libertiesof their country forannuities upon their own lives. For, by this last act of their wretched policy they had so strengthened and secured the power of the French Government, tbat nothing but reform or revolution conld enable England much longer to defend herself, as France at the present mdment wielded all the force of military despotism under the mask of civil liberty. For what with her elections, septennial parliaments, and other imitations of the same precidus system, she had just finished a fac simile of the mock English constitution. As to England, the hon. member had only to hope that the nation, before it was too late, would open its eyes to the conduct of minis- ters, and the real danger of die country; for at present he must confess, that of all the dupes upon earth, he considered John Bull to be the greatest; and could find no better parallel to his claracter, couduct, end preeit situation, looking to-thestote of M trope, tials that whiceh he shouid concluae with stating. The ministers, as all knew had an unlimited pOwer over the purs-eofthe people, but not their libeity of apeel. As to the first; to ddr the mirriitersjttie no gentlemsenoftihcirvocation .ce6uld-bemore'aetive, or unde~rsana .iheir business better; and if, irn pickirsg John Bull's pocket, they 'could only stop his mouth, all might go on smoothly. 'But hete lay tr-e rub, for John resembled a certain animal in the act of be- ing killed, whose only defence was to set up a cry which disturbed the whole neighbourhood, w hilst all he got for hLis pains was the hearty wWis of those within reach of his voice, t'qat means had been found to stop it. And thus it was with Mr. Bull; for whiilst the ministers were bleeding him to death, he, too, set up a cry, -which was beard throughsout Europe, and niaturally alarmed the combired Powers; who said to the Englislh Government, "1 Use him a you please, for that is your affaiir ; but attop his tnouth, as thrit is ours;~ and unless you can do this, by the Holy God we must do itfor you." Mir. DENMlAN isaid that he hadl opposed the alien act ever since he had liad the honrourof -sitting in the QUuse of Commons ; and the present circumstances under which it was introduced, as it seemed to him, strenTthened everv argument against itL He could have wihdthat is Majesty's moinisters, by giving up at onice that which they confessed it would be proper to give up two years hence, had spared to themnselves and the house th rule of along debate. The system of long debates, hiowever, did somnetimres extort from the right hon. gentlemen concessions whichi could not be attained in any the wa; an itwassomeconolaionto those persons whio had esitedihepreentbil frm is frstintro,huction, to discover thatthee n logerexised ny retncefor finding the powers it gav ineret i th crwn.He elivedthat there no longer was any ne n th hose wo culd pooe the opinion pronounced by thehon ad larnd oliito-Gner~,twlo years ago-that Black- atone wa rng n tat there exise no whiere any authority, which vetdtergtof dealing with ales as a circumstanc-e of pre- rogativ ithCrw; and that opinin if it could need corrobo- ration, would be corrobraed pest all question by the fact, that even in the 22d of Hlenr VI.an act of Parliamnent had been distinctly passed to deal wit tiepersons calle-d" Egyptians" (Gipsies), whio had " introdiuced theselves into tire realmr contrary to law," by way of banishment-not. leaving even thlese people, who were the vilest of the vile, to the prerogative of the Crown, but distinctly giv- ing the Crown, a porver, by proclamnation, to proceed against. them. Trhe right hon. gent. opposite (Mr. Peel) said that the sovereign au- thority of the state lield the power, by right, to dlispose of aliens- wvhy, no dloubt ; anti the sover-eign authocity of the state had to dispose or all tire subjects of tire kingdomn. All personA were sabject to the sovereign authtority of the state, and were to be dealtl with, no doubt, as thiat authiority, mighit think best ; but then they were to be dealt with according to laws framed, and to be framied, andl not by, passing an act which put their perisons and their pro. perry at the mercy (whiatever thait might be) of tire three secretaries of state. Tire clause whichi lad breet introduced, in the downfaill of this odious measure, in favour of aliens wvho liad been miore than seven years residlent in England, formed no snawer to the objectioll whichl he (M r. Denruaso) and iris fricnds took to its principle', They called upon tire country to afford its ancient arid lionourable protec_ tion to all (so long as its laws wvere respectedl by tliem) whom ty- ranny or political chairge mnade exiles froni their osvii. Hei (Mr. Denmans) asked protection fior the Spaniards and tire Neapoli- tans; fur the Sartdinians, and all otlhers whose love of libery ovain etlierts to obtain it, had drawn, or was likely to draxw upo them persecution. TI'iose were tire persons who were entitled to chains the exercise of lirer ancient hospitality fromi Englanri; and those were the persons whiom thiis alien act was to throw back into tire power of their oppressors. It wss impoissible, looking at this bill withi a tdur regard to the arbitrary power wviichi it wvas to bestow, not to give some consideration to the clharacters of tirose in wtiose hands suich irower was to be placedl-namnelyv, the three secrerrseies; or to hide from themselves another coirsidferiraion as to the possibility of their exercising that power justly and fairly, or the contrary. Looking tlirerefore, as they were bouind to do, to tire general characters r.ns opiniions of those right hon. personages, he must iteclare, that he couild not witnessthieir inve.-titure witlitiiatpowe- witho ut tiregreatest distrusrt and reluctance. Hlow feel otherwise, in the fis lace, wirii respect to) tire noble secretary for the colonial departmen? )V'hen lire bookeril at wlhat liad been tire treatrment by, that noble person to Napoleon during tire last live years of his lii'e-when re consiriered wyitat treatetnit hrad been shrown to Generals (Gourgaud rind .Mon- tliolon, and to 1,as Cases, eachi of whlomi hiad riot oily beers dlriven away ott their approach to our shiores unider circumstances almonst re- volting, and whion tlhere was rio roomn left to dloubt hut thaLt tire noble secretary 5trill entertained tire saitire views, he saw evident reasons for not trutstinig to hiint for threjust exercise of a power winids miight he used to tiregreatest abuse of ttire Government, arid tire greatest ex- cesses in regoir to tire preservationi oftho-se wlho mighlt happen to be- coriie the victirms. For in the eases to winch lire lied just referred, who were the objects to suftbr ? Those whto had followed the fortunes of Napoleon in thieir lowest declining-thie few whom grati- tunle hid bounid to Iris fate even in Iris wvorst dlegratdation-mnen who tromn their conrhtict arid fidelity shiouldt have been tire ob)ects retiere of a irenerons coinnisieration ttitan the victirirt of' iriinisterial persectition. TIne retusal to let them latitnd oglit hiave been politic and eveni justifi- able, bitt the wrongs winich threy surfl~red were not limnited to tiat r thieir papers were seized, tire gromiest abuse wtiriclr coirit be nmadesof this power. WVhat,if this should ever happen under thepres,etit bill to per- sons of .thecomosiercial rank P-anti there was nothing, to exclude the prrobability of tire cate-there wouldi be perhaps absoluite ruin brought upon individuals, wlinch it coruld riot be presentheri that any power aould warranit. And this was itire character and tendency of the bill throughiout its whole period of existenoce-it wvent to miultiply factq, like those before-ruientioned of the noble lord hi' Iris trertinsent of Napoleon's followerfs, wliich co-aisi only be cliaracterrzed as arts of oppressioni and abuse, coTmmitteEt in violationi of the better sense and micaning of law. In the next place, whtat hadl they to ex- prect fronsi the righit lhonoriratble gerirtensan whio inrtrodusced the pre. selit bill-what qualifications coriid they, suppose whichi would mnake it safe to trust power in his hairds whichi they must always reck-on it dangrou t rust in tIre hran-sl of any mia'n? It was 'very true-, that ttire riglit hon'ourable gentlem-n. on the case of native subjeers, was kitowit to py conisidierable attention to the history of tire eases winichi caine btfor hiiii fronii tire drifferent courts of tire k-ingdom, wvith a view to discovering whurit considerations he couldl ofifer to tire Crown in regardi to use adaptation of the v'arious puishriaments assigneri by the larwa to tie offeniders but here they (the lhouse) bath tire wliole subject in viewv; they kznew whiat was tire natuire of tIre eornsiderations wliich the riLht tionoirrable genitleman ladl so offrr, and tire views wlinchli h5must entertain upon ttire several cases. But he knerv notiring of the considerations wliind ouight in- iltrence the exercise of this arbitrary power. Th fere was nothling to truidie thiem except that wlichi led to suspicion ainn distrustt. In tire abrsence of anv satisfactory informiationi, lie coubl only look to tire terusper in wlitirl this power was claimied-the assumptions of right uponi wlinch it was dlemanuled. If he saw tirat it was asked as soime. tirinig which wvas to be giveni irs matter of course, as if denying tire righti of tire Crown to ithe possession and exercise of thlis power, was to attemipt somveihrirrgdanrgerous to tIre censtitrition-if it were asked as if ttie minist~er who sourght it didt not feel that it was zt -power of exorbitanit vweighrt and ituiportatice, tire posIGtr oIf winchi he ouerht to wish to avoid, beiing a power tire exist en n exercise of wiitch every man mrust dread in regard to hiriaself-thrat, whiri trim, would be a good reatson for feeling surspicions, and for bel-evirig tiiat tire power coutld not be safely truisted to tire hinds ofhiriti, whio could hinthis terin- per aiird tonte of argunient denmand it. li e remembered well, that last year lire hail mnade thrisveryobjectiozi to thi ebiraviour of ministers upon) tire passinig of this bill. It then liadl appeared to hint. tirat there was too inucs levity in the manner (itf requirinlg it; there was a want of' thtat proper feeling of' responsibility winch miust belong to tirinisters whio wvould prefer governing by the constitution arid tire generalilaws of the country ire liad thieir, arid he still liad, were it onily on that riecount, great reluctance aridc regret in seeinig it grant- et). As to tie right lironourable gentleriein wito lield the chief office in the Foreign Departmient, wvithi every possible! feeling of respect for tire liberal opinions whlich lire liad so ironourably to Iiiiriself undertasken tri defenit sincee his accession, botli in h.is cominunications with Foreign Governirielits, andl inliris doeprtmenitin Parliamnt-_with every wish that he cotuld express thtat the right lion. gentleinan wouldI long continiue in office, arid at an y rate quite as long as ainy of hsis present colleagues-holring also, as1 hie did, that the liberal f'eelings arid( optinions expressedl by tire riglit hon. gentle. mian would mnore arid myore gain ground, andI at length altogether predorrinrtte in the nieasures of thlat cabinet of which lire wvas now the brightest ornament, but wvithal, there being no guarantee, either for the unquestionably just exerciseof this power during its conti- nuance, or for its absolute extinction arid determination at tire end of the two y'ears nowv proposed, he must be allowed to say, that he sawr nothn, in the past conduct and opinions of that sight hon. gentle_. inanwjvnich would make him (Alr. Dernman) more ready to truist him with extraordinary and arbitrarv power, or that would, on account of his presence in the councils of the King, miake him at all tire less anxious to withhold those powers from tire Government. 'He would not advert to the affatirs of Spain, a story too long and sad and dismal to he touched uon with any othier feeIings than those of grief or indignation. Hie rwoulld gay nothing now of the unproVoked invasion, nor of tire un- prinipld orginof te wr, nr o th establishmnent of the prin- cipls a tir cogres ofVeroa, ponwhich the authors of that war rofesed o hve ated;whih prncipes,as they wvere hiostile to te ntionl siri, inerets,nd cnsttuton o Enlan, dematid- ed te frmes oprosiionfromtir miister fEgad arid yt thos minster hadconfnedheirshae of te tnacinto wha-t they called aneutral declaration-the thley would take no part irs the quarrel either on one side or the oter. independenitly of these considerations, he thoughit he saw in some recent statements in which the right hon. gent. was more immediately concerned, reasons for not trusting hiim with this power. They all knew what hatd been the conduct of the riglit liron, gent. in the case of Mlr. Blowrinnc, who seas taken up at Cralais and conveyed to Bolog-ne by the officerts of the Frencks Government, for an alleged piece of misconduct. The quesionputto te Fenc lawers atthe direction of the right hon. geat, ws, hatwoud hae ben ireconuct of the Frenchi Govern- mea twads nyofitsow sbjetsinthe like case? The answer give wa, tet lr.Botng oul betreated in the sense manner as f h ha beii naiveof rane. ittsuposetire answer had been the other way-that the French Gvrmn could not consider ,Mr. Bowring, whio was an Englishmaiin, in the light of one entitled to the rigt and inmmunities of a French citizen, what could the right Ilion. gent. have opposed co this proposition ? Or, if he could have remnonstrated, how easy would it hiave be-en to answer hits,? The Frenchi Governmient -might have said, " We, as well as you, have rights of our own to defend, and wve do not choose to be without that power, whichi you_assume in your alien bill, of dealing with foreignes in a meanerdifferent fro sujcso th Frnc Govcnmment. As Mr. Bowring is a foreigner, you can have no right to demand what would be our treatment of a subject offending in the same manner, because we have a right to deal with him summarily." Anoth rsubject of distrust as to the possessiOn of' this power, furrished bv the conduct of the right honourable secre- tary was to be found in the case of his gallant friend the member for Aouthwark. He woultd, however, tell the right honourable gen- tleman in passing, that of all the liberal views and enlightened senti- ments which he had yet avowed, there was none which had made him so entirely popular throughout the land as the treatment of his gallant friend, in tie languagc Wvhich he had uttered within those waUs, so honourable to the object to which he applied it-so much more honourable to himself. He trusted that the members of the Holv AUliance would extract a lesson from *t, which would be useful to themselves, and beneficial te the nations of Eurolpe, when they saw, that by strir,ping him of those honours with which ti ey had once eagerly loaded him, they could not strip from him any part of that regard wiich was felt for hias by the people of England. He thanked the right hon. gentleman for so timely a censure, so just and severe a rebuke of those wretcied, base, and groveling assailants, whi wvere ready to fall upan his gallant friend with every weapon wrhich meanness and malice could supply, because they thougnt th at as he was already beaten down by power, he must continue prostrate on the earth. Still tie conduct of the right hon. gentleman, with all properfeelings of'respiectandattachnsentto him on account of his sentinents and protessions, had not been sucli as he ought to have pursued towards one situated as his gallant friend then wri. He(AMr. Denman) had learned withastonishment that the right hon.gent.had confessed that at the departureof his gaLant friend for Spain liehad given information of it to theFrench Goverrsment,and that no expla- natisn had bced demandedof him int conseqg euce of that comnnr.zmca. tio. ha suel tis asa ew ayofProeeding. The rigisthon. mited...utilIt iedbee chrge an prved, and'urged jja iniltter of comlaht fom he renh Gvermet. There was; one positiotn whic th rihthnosrablgenlemn slitt, in anycase, have takens up f te Curtof rane hd dredto allin question the Cotiduc,t of' Englsh ubjets ssiting the Spaniards in the vwar;, and that.would hav ben t hae pt the trouble of proving the fact entirely in the FrenchGoverment.Instead of which, thae righit hon. genL. hwd be.. spoen he lemncyof the French Government, in case his Wslant frind houd fll ntotheir hands, because, ac-cordling to gonme no- tions which were tob found in Grotius or Vrattel, by which it would appear that the cfrime was not of sqo guilty a nature ar, to tlhe subjects of a neutral power assisting either of the belligerents i11swar Surely this was a hint whiich might have been spared. It aPppered to him, that the right hon. gentlemTan had introducedinto his negoti_. ations one oftlie strangest pieces of frank-ness ever known to take plac* between two governments What hiad France to do with the la'w of nationis? If they could have entertained thie least ieeasd for those e'Ights whichi the writings of thec Jurists went to inculcate, they would nevyer have entered Spain as they did, uLder the prettacee that Spain had violated the anti-monarchical principles to which the memnbers of the Holy Alliance were Pledged-theY would never htave invaded Spain as they liad dlone, under the most base, hypo.. critical and atociouvl faH rtecs e was of'opinion that the polteessoftherihthon gnt.mihthave been "pred, and that the renh Goernent as y nomeas deserving of it. He knew thatit as hougt nt crrec toexpessthemselves with this degree' of reeom po th coduc o foeig goerments. Thereliad been lectresrea oflat to omeof is on.friends upon diplomnatic eriqVette, and political decorum in debae.If it were only to speak of t Lae foreign Powers as of kinigs and emperors ruling within thieir owrn states, and admninistering the affaiurs of' thecir own politics, he could not countenance nor in any way pander to the base and vulgar stpirit of detraction, whichi was only opposed to those of high statnon m ny mankind on accunt of thie advantagesA to be derived from t iiu S wa usino interference with other stattes-.with the rights of all other people as well as thtose of their own states: an14 thiswastheonl plae weretheconuct of those Princes could be caled sonstin. heewer alosttheonly assembly where theag- irresios, nd looshe, ad volece,and injustice of the invadere of pai cold e sfel deouned.And what could niankin&t be he ettr, uppsethoe wo o)ecedto the candour of theBrtis Prlimet cul suced t slecing them? It was a beautiful n a just remark, whiichi mr ox atte in his history, when oecigto the injustice of tfumie in violating the spirit of history by aifying the armniesq of lIrinces, by softeninig the colour of tmle abumes and oppressions, andt setting up) apologut7clW atmil opitcllanguage in the defence of onie Prince in wsticuIrinr that lewsteey remtoving almost ttile only check which maEnk-ind could eve posspnthe conduct of despots; for sovereigms,soule.~ times desru o tning well with posterity, wouldt do much In thwartin teronicinations to secure some portion of that dits. tinction --an ambition which could not be hoped from theni if once they were tauight to expect that their faults would be varnished over, andl that their very crimnes would go clown to remote ages with a gloss upon themi, wvhich would preserve their miemories froni dishonour. For the interests of truth, upon which justice thus remotely depended, therfor, tey culdnotabae th foceo ther epre.dos, especially as tey ust eelcertin hat hiswas lseonlyplae were t lie truthI eanlhe oenlyand afel decaredOne rgumnt frthebill was, that it oul exirein wo ear, ad i tht argament rested on princi.. pie,liedid ot ee elsythe shold avethe trouble of keepinfg it alive o lon. It eemed o himt bethsTrangest reason of all frits continuance. WVhat wvas there in the principle, which wvas nic1hp objectionable now, as it could be thien ?Why, in shiort, shollkMM Governmenit want a power to deal wit alienis otherwise than 7;th native subjects? Andl if rights there really were, by which Fo- reign Gonvernments could call for interference as to the treat- ment of aliens resident, and if as mnatter of consequence our own Government oiiut have a corresponding power, wlIy was this power Rot to be definied by law as w,,1 as rthe other powers of the State-. whiy should tIme extenit and exercise of it be left in the breast of the executive government, contrary to the appropriation of all other powers? As to the three Secretaries of State, there was nothing in their opiniions of foreigniaffzairs to prove temi particularly trusts- worthy as to the possession of this power, tog that was put for- ward,asit it were not theprinciple but the persos whio were to have tile use of it, whiichi time hiouse liad to considr anid ais if they thiem.. selves were isot -to muchi at variance as to mae it imnpossible to say to whiichi side thecir opinionst wvotld incline upoin any given. subject. 'Theright hon. Secretary for Foreij~n Aff4irs,ttor examiple, thought that the aggression ofAustria was ajusqtitiable proc.eeding-. Th-at,liebelieved, was not the opinion ofeither oftlieothier two Secretaries. But tlhe mis. chiief of it was, that this vaTiance of o.Vinion isould do nothing for the liberal part of tile argument. Each of thiemi might, perliaps, choose a dtifferent class of suibjects for the operation of this law, anid thum the 1pooraliens miighit at somie timne after thris find themselves in the cond itioni of the mian wvith two wives, whose head was party-solour.. ed.-one pulled out all the white hiairs, and the othier all the bIack, uintil he was left with it bare scalp. Uponi another partof the subject, hie could not Iiinder himnself fromt ventumring a remark or two as to what had been advanced respecting the opinion of' Sergeant flill, wiLth which it was assert ed that Mlr. Pitt fouati himself supported on introducing this bill for the rirst time. Since thediscussion a few nights ago, a learned anid industrious friend of hiis had, by indefatigable re- search, recovered. that opinioni froim am-ong the papers of' ttiat emni- nenit lawyer, anid tlioughi it litad been asserted over and over againi that the o'pinoio was in favour of the powers given by the bill, the fact was otherwse. Thiere was another considerationl belonging to that subject, whiich did isot attract enough attention. Sergeant Hfill, thought admitted to bave been one of the greatest lawyers of his time, was supposedt to be generally ignorant on worldly affairs. He did not show himiself altogether igiiorant of the nature of a majority in the house, however, though he never hiad a seat in it. The alieu bill was not the only subject uDon which file. Pitt had foutnd it convenienit to consult him : his opinion had been askedl by the same Minister upon a doubtful legal point in the regenicy- bill of' that rims?. The answer of Sergeant Hill had been tolerably well pre- serve: th legl pont wa nownot nown It as reportedI thtin the olloingconvrsaion ookplac beweenMr.Pitt's agent and Sergant ill theconersaionbein prpose bythe learned ser- vean :-"Pra is r. itt oleablysur o~ maority voting for tin bil i te Huseof Lods " Aswr.--" iehopes, and has pretty, good reasoti to believe. that hei hr sure of a ma- jority." Quiestion.-"l And has lie as good reasons to expect a miajority in hiis favour in the House of Commonsg?" An- swer.-"l lie has no doubt whatever of the majority in the lower house." " Theis what can it signify to You hiow the l6w stand,t, seeing that the miajority will be with you, propose what you will ?e" So that the learnied sergeant knew of what ma- teri-als a majority was comiposed, withouit hiaving enjoyed the hionour ot'a seat-without being a memiber of that Parliamnent which violated ttire natural principles ofecnimnon arithmnetic by declaring thiat a piece of paper worth l1'u. wasi actually wvorthi 'Ns., Lcnd immiediately after- wards passed anothier law to punish those who refuised to acknow- ledige that it was worthi 20ls.,andl thiat it was wortfs no miore than 15a. Nor wras time sergeant a member ot that Parliamient whiichi, when called upo'n to inquire iiito the transactions andi condUCt Of the war, voted, without investigation of facts and circumstances, without re- ference to witniess or testiniony, of any kind, that the conduct of mi- nisters in prosecuting the war deserved the approbationi of' the Crown and the Parliament, and the confidence anid gratitude of the county No wonder that the censorious, and those of' the people WhO were suspiciously inclined, shoultd, after transactions such as thlese, be too apt to consider the power of' the Hlouse of Conmurons as a fainciful ornmaitsent-a sor t of useful tail to the hilifynkteo prerogative. But this being so, and considering 3t)i that lied beeni donie from the timse of Jamies 1. down to the end of the Frenchi war, whiy should those who admnired-every thiing done by autlhority, be so ready to change? Thievwere constantl3,olof timedangers of inno- vation-of the excellence of that which had existLsl for so long a pe- riod-of the perils of alteration. Upon this groundt every thiing was founid defensible. Tire uisury laws wer'e not to be altered, because the country hiad floutrished and growyn up to unparal. leled pro%petity under thern. The ganie laws must not be touched,I because they had contribuited too greatly towar4s the prosperity of. the country, which, in short, decpended upon themi. '1 he poor laws were be no mneans to be altered. " "'hat! take away the comforts of the'por? W*hat will you have left to support the constitut,ion ?" Even the abolition of that inamous traffic in human flesh, the slave- trae, ad eenresste onthegrondof settled laws, under which the ounry ad isento he ighst tation of political glory and commecial reatnss. Te argmentwas., to say the least of it, as appicale o te pincpleof hisbil, wichwas strang-e in the prac- tic ofth costtuton Hecold otburecal to thecir mind, the words of an eloquent person, who, through lie was in hiis time the greatest of all renegades from the principles of his early life, was gliad to seek shelter from the atoms of political adversity, which bufl'ettedt him towardls the close of his career. Lord Strafford, on finding that he was in turn to beconme thle ViCtirn of thiose plots and designs, in the invention of which he had assisted by doing all, in. his power to raise up and strengthen the principle of constructive and accumulative treasons, did not hesitate to appeal to those better priniciples fromn which his late life had been a continued deviation. "W le have lived, miy lords, happily to ourselves at home: we have lived gloriously abroad to the world : let us be content with what our fathers have left us : let not our ambition carry us to be more learned than they were, in these killing and destructive arts. Great wisdom it will be in your lordlships, and just providence, for youir. selves, for your posterities., for the whole kingtdom, to cast froin you, into the fire, these bloody and miysterious voliumes of arbitrary and constructive treasons, as the primitive Christians did their books of cutious arts, and betake yourselves to the plain letter of the statute, which tells you wyhere the crime is and points out to you the path by whlich you imay avoid it." ~o would he now say of the alien bill. T hat without which the cODUntry had done from 1688 down to the time of Mlr. Pitt, and done safely, could not be absoluitely, necessary to preserve the state now. tie thought thtat the bill must impose difficulties on the Govern- ment itself. Suppose the Russian miniister were to inform the right hon. gent. that certain subjects of the Autocrat of all the Russias were plottingt and carrying into effct designs against the Go- vernment ot Russia, and was to require them to be sent away accordin2gl'. It' there were no alien bill the answer suchi th alien bill existed,_ tecamothRuian miister would be reasonlble antijust. He might say, after producing the most un- questionable proofs of the truth of his statement-" For what pur- pose have von the power of the alien bill in your hands, if you can- not apply it in this case ?" He miglht even go further than this the Russian minister would beat liberty, according to reason and us. tice,to withihold the proofsifttheyweeredemanded,and comipliancecould not in reaon be refused, because the act was good for nothing what. even if it could not allow Governmentto accommodate thus far those Governments which werein alliance with our own. Surely this was a dilemna in which a Government ought not to be placed. Suppose farther, that a refussal were given to the request of the Russian miss nister: perhaps angry lanprage inightoccur-perhaps the ease would be sucht that our good fhseneds the French might find itcessary to offer ehierr mediation. Thev would hear themrts ofin it nrueac Thev would the eiso tfrons each side, and then they would in all probability advise tite Bitsh Go- vernment, " Oh you had better give him up-it's only otre m an obstinate man, a wrong-headed man"-(for this was sure to be the character of any man who became obnoxious to ;tr. bitrary power)-" let hhLun go, he'll only cause you trouble; send him to Russia, and be rid of him; a refusal may involve you inwar, andthenitlhinkof your 800 millionsofdebt A hHouse of Comisons won't support you in an more war expenses.' Were the Government to be so placed, anti"were France so to mediate, and it cane to the question of what must be done, what choice sheuld be nmade between war- on the one hand; and baseness on the other ? He trusted that there would Ibe no hesitation between those alter- natives. 'Warwas an evilto bedeplored ; and the only wayto avoid it was not to presetve in existence those powers the exercise of which! couldonly compromise our safety. His hon..friends had been taunted- as to theirviews and motivesintheiropposition tothisbill. For hisi own part, he could conscientiously say that he had nothing at hearti in itson uch as the honour ana interests of England. It appeared toj him thatthis was a power which it was not necessary for the Go-' vernmneutto posss, Which it had tothitheto po5sscsC from tbes Iwas said tjiat the- building,oof new churches would make dhot ~'ple if.tenrd:d4ifie. wOrshiipacording to the forms of the Chuirch. oi England. He woultl rather have heard it supported on th:eground thai itwould.tend topreventtheprogress and increase of infidelity and blax. pliemy, which at present were the fruitful causes of so many trimnes =mngt,h,elower Orders. He had been exceedingly grieved on a fomreeIng, to heRtr the attack miade by an hossourable anid learned gen tlema (whom he (lid not now see in his place) ona thc Hone AlissionatrY Society. He knew of that Society that they hiad taken exceeding pains to improve the moral education of the younges classes in particular districts of the counitry, whichi were at present excessively ignorant and dark in this respect. It occasioned him a great deal of sorrow to hear a learned gentlemani turn into ridlicule, o. inou that weein conformity to thte principal articles9 of the C~uch of En gland. He had heard a great deal too mutch levity upon this subject. If the Bible were true, all its doctrines ough to be resgecced; it it was false, the whole of our religion was a farce butw whngentlemen ofcharacter and education allowed themnselves to induilFe in such obserfations ashe alluded to, they were doing imore mischicfthan allthe publicationrsof Carlile, and Hone, and the othersof that stamip. Hie highly approved of the liturgy of the Church of England, and thouglit that efficient anid virtuous clergy- men were blessin"s to society. The hon. member then expressed his approbation oFtith Proposition that subscribers should be allow- ed to vote at the elections of their incumbents; and after professing that hie entertained a very high respect for the dissenters, though no dissenter himiself. he gave Isis decided support to the motion. Mr. T. WVILSON thought the question was not whethier the existing churches 'were large or handsome enough, hut whether they were sufficientvy adapttid for the congregations they oughit to hod. Any one who looked at the churches of our anc'estors nmust be sat;sfiedl thlat thiev were built for the rich, and not for the poor. For thie latter there 'vas generallv a solitary bench the former never experienced any difficulity in obtaining seats and accommodation, because thev could afford to pay for them. The proposed sy-temn alone provideelfor the spiritual comfort of thosewehohad been hither- to almost forgotten. Thi gallery wa: then clearedI for &division, when tlsenumbers were.- For the amendment, 33 1 Against it, 144 1 AMaj ority, Ill The report was then brought iip. On the niotion of the CH ANTCE10L L POR f tIse Ex c nE U E R, the b outse then resolved itself into a committee on the customns (coals Iandl linens) bill. Some verbal amendments were agreed to without Ia division, the house resumed, the Chairman reported progress, and obtained leave to sit again on the 3d of May. GAAIE-LAWS. On the motion oif Mr. S. WVonaLEY, the game laws' amendment bill was recommitted in a comnmittee of thewhole hiouse. _Mr.- S. WlORTLEY,upon the clause providingfor thepunishment of ni'ght poachers and persons foundl with guns by nighit, moved- that atter the weordi "t game," the word " rabbits" be inserted, which amiendmnent was agreed to. Air. MIUNDY Said, he should have been glad to take away from tlie masgistrates the summary jurisdici in offences uinder this clause; but lie weas aware ocith diifficulty in dealing with such a subject. He would, hiowever, take the liberty of' moving as an amnendiment-"1 that everv person sued for a tlhird otfence under this clause, should, at hin own 'choice, be comnmitted or boundt over for trial for the samiie, either at thei quarter Sessions, the assizes, or the gaol-deliver of thie couintv or dlistrict." Air. S. WlORTrLEY bitd no objection to this clause, being well convinced that the judIges of the landI wouild be satisfied, that a party founid guilty of suchl thirdi offence was a rit object of' punishnment. Sir 'r. BARING saw no necessity for giving to the party any suchi option at all. For the tlIrtld ofl'nece, he ought to he coimmiittedi absolutely to be triedl by tite justices of assize. This amnentdinent was carriedI witliout a division. I'ir. S. WORLt'IEY wouild next propose a clause which it was necessaryto preface with afew words. As the law stood at present, ano parson was allowed to appoint a gamekeeper but the lord of the manor. Now lie thiought every proprietor who had landI enough to make it worth hiis while to dle so, oughit to have this privilege. The quantity of land so to entitle hiim he would fix at 500 acres, a quan- tity for whiceh hie found a precedent in an act that pas9sed some time since, permiitting tite nomination of gamekeepers, under certain cir. cunistances, in WIales. The lton. gentlema'n then read a clause to tuie effect menstioned in hisisspeech. Colonel 11 OOD wyas sorry to hear Iiis lion, friend propose this claetse, wliichi, like sonic o'thers in the bill, hiad thirowni round it a great deal of unpopularity. It mighit nowv he fairly objected that there would( be 'tes lords of' the inanor for one. As to his hon. friend's precedent, the fart was, that in IVales there seere large tracts of land that were not includetl in any manor whatever, and it became necesary to t-ake care, by- tise appointment of gamnekeepers, of the! game upon themn. For his'ow%n pert, he believed that at pree. sent there were tso greater pnachiers than tlse gamekeepers tliemselves, and s4o far froin preventing poaching they supplied half the game thant was sold in London. 'rho cons'equence of this clause wouldi be, thazt every fasrincs of .50O acres xwould aoiytinate hiis own son his anekeepr n thsspoil a goodl farmer, andl Perhaps make a de- termine poachier. Ilie (Colonel Wood) sawv no isecessity for the clauise, andi was of'opinion tlhat it ought tit he altogether omiitted. 31 ,r. J. XVHA RTIN thoughtc the objections of the last speaker totmilIv unfounded. Col. DAVIES sa;d a few words which were inaudihle in thegallery. Mr. MIONCK tciouglist that if the coosmnittee wer-e aware of tfis extensive powers thiat were vestedi in gamekeelpers, thecy wvould the. cidedly' oppose this claus5e. 'rite imth of Antsc liad very properly, conritied hle power of' noimiinzatitig these keepers to the lords of sisi- lisos. perhaps the itouse would allowvhIisijust to remitid thsen,that the statute of Chairles enabled themi to seize guins and diogs, anti searchi houses ; but after that act came the statuite 4 and 5 lWilliani I II., by whirts ganoekeepers were expressly authorized to resist all nightly of- tetsders in the Sanme manner as if tise ofFenice tiad beett commiitted in an ancient forest. Nowv that enactiiteiti expressly referredI to the op- pressi ve law, 21 Edw%ard I., by wisiich it was declared that if a tres- passer itt a foreit dil nlot stop when desired by thie gamekeeper, he migiht be killed, anIsi elhe gatnekeeper should not be trouble(d and this act, be it remembered, was still in force. He himself knew of a case its which, under v'ery simnilar circumstances, a gaimekleepee lhad fired at aiTmere trespasser, and so wouistled him as to tnake Itiins a cripple tor life. 31r. PEElS said, hiis impression was very strongly in favour of thie otssissiottlof the clause, liethioughtthiat as itstood,it was likely to be prodluctivteof consqiderable litigation; and as the general voice seemied to be so strong arainist it, bie trould request his lionourable friend to wvithdraw it. ril. S. WORTrLEY, after a few words, consented to withdraw it. and al'ter a few words frons Air. F. LEwvis and Sir J. WOTcur TESLEY', it was wvithidrawn. The next clause was9, that no person except garrekeepers should set snares for eanie. Colonel DAVIES objectedl to the clauise as it was at present w-ordled. It wouild wive the owners of smrall parcels of land conti- gstouts to large estates, an Opportunsity of' killinig the g-anse of their neiglibouirs. lHe wouldi propose that the privtlege of setting snares shiould be limited tos pvrsons possessing 100 acres', or entitled to the gante on that quartity of land. Mlr. S. WORTL,EY saidl, that at the end of the clause there was an exception in hivour of persosis using snares on their own land. Thie clause only, went to prevent cthe use of sutch snares on lands nut belonging to tie parties, They not being appointed as game- keepers ots such lands, and to emnpowver pairties to seize any such Snlares, except they were set by time owners of thec land, or by Iiis or their permiission. Colonel D)AVIES thiougit tisat clause still objectionable. M11r. S. AVORTLEJY saidi, the principle of the bill was to makce gaine property, and that bicing the case, it was but natural that the owner of the land shoul(I l ave the power of destroying the gamne on his own grounds. In some cases, this woLld no dloubt be producti ve of inconveisience, but- it was but just that the poor man, whose small parcel of land was contiguous to a great prese.rve, should hsave Roine means of reitnunerating himself for the ijr dore to Iiis hind by the gamne oF hi-i neighbour. ijr Sir J1. SHlELLtEY said.tltat this clause, as it stood,would tend to destroy, the gamise in the k-ingdom- altogether ; for the poor man would take advmantage of it, and destroy the whole of' the game in hlis neighibsrTmood. He would therefore support the suggestion of the honourable nmember(Colonel Davies.) Sir J. SEBRIGHTV was in favour of else clause, for it was quite unfair tlhat the poor niani's grounds should be injured without any remuneration. Mlr. PEEL thouight it erroneous to suppose that game would be destroyedi by the effect of this, clause. It would happen, lie hadl no doubt, that in 99l cases out of 100 the effect of it wouild he a compo. sition between tise rich preserver of game and his Poor neighbour, by, which the former would give something for the injury done to telattr adfor the right of following and kdbng game on his land. 'lr. SyKES supported the clause. After a few words from Mlr. PExL and Mlr. S. WVose'TLy, the ProPosition of Colonel Davies was negatived, and the clause was agreed to with somRe verbal amendments. The next clause was, that no person should deal in ganse unless licensedl. Alr.R.COLBORNE thougzht it would be much betterto withdraw this clause, said merely repeal the law prohibiting the sale of gamne. That would be. qute Sufficient. Colonel N6 SOO ~ ~oted the clause. Air. S.O TEYas eededthe necessity ofhavingalir-ence. The claewathnareto Seveaoteclsewre then agreed to withiout discussion, and the hiousebigrs edth report was ordered to be reivdo Wednesdaeiey.o Trhe othair orders of the day were then disposed of, and the house adjourned at a QLUARTER PA'ST ONTE O'CLOCK. LIST OF THE MINORITY --Of 43, who votedi .-- th. ,i-.. - :~-- "-, '- .. - -cus-r. -vsyison some Members Ilcft the II e h f lowing MIembers came ia,' and voted inl the Mlinority of 47, for rmak- ing the duratiol Of the Bill One IIenH: elc,3 Russe 1, Lord W. Snijth, Rt. Whlthread, s. C. Famels, W. RRobinson, A Towvnshend, LrdWVhartos, J. Labton,Z J. G. Sefton, Xarl or C Tc-llers2T. Denman and Lord Nugent. tIr. Hutchthlson as revented by Indisposition from be!n;pPresent oppose the third Ieang of the Aliesi Bill last igh t. A LIST OF THE M)AJORITY Of 74~ who on the 8th voted for the Speak. r leaving the chaitog isilo a Comrnitt- - ~.1- ' - ., i t waof 01bwich the couintry had grown and flourislied beyrnd Y0!h-r-apovcrvdch ogrAt tatesatnawould evervish toliave, h1~t ETOV7a be rather glad to iret rid oifit, not at the expimtioior of twc ,- ars, but as nosa w the Y*ouse of Conimons would allow him to dicteit as a 'weight of gri,evous and inconvenient responsibility. Buat i etne tharte bill was not to have been renewed, even for I5YOMzs, hlea it not been for a plot which w-as discovered just a f=itagt be-lbre it 'wa about to expire. What a most opiportune --d ial'Uat ule plot ! It would delighr him to be let into tne wholt of t'he St=&,t and ny~steries of it. What aid the Parlianment knott ibct t? Thee. Plots were brought to lighit with surprising conve. nlMSC0 IIt theni they had1 gemeraly tended to destroy or injure the Ptt"!se iib Mrr..c.ri suspendingz td-. Habeas Corpus Act, placing lil'c ~d e~n1freedom at toe disposal of ministers Realty to thinke i5itlture of. these plots. and the measures whichi followed upon Ct 'wat enzug to destrov all belief in themi. One might almost r or instanice, that the inventor of this last plot wwa rr-t5 mlsltle wool of the French police.-some needy mercenary ax 'wh.3 had been hired to invent the crime of which he war ,~tM-7rnla to Irtive hims%elf atcculsed, in order to the passing of thit Zt ott-Ve more. This mesthed of leading the country on by plots al "time to the detriment of natives in the suspension of the Habeat r.sAct, at asrorher to the injuiry of foreigners, under tire alier t!E r-teie the two right hon. Secretaries for Hlome andl Foreign liasca' ve-ry likze the two Kings, of Brentford,who-are described im tbet ls!a a% smielling at t'he same' nosegay. At last tire Parlia. X2-'t 'add bel-evre nothing about pInts, as the country did -lready. t1-117t thtrt they were plausible pretexts for pissing uleasure-s whic-r t~ iaar'wouild ventuire upon without one. Not that he believed t1a5 Mi-Mis.ter west: the lengths of baseness and iniqtuity, or that thel co itoedthm to the degree practised by, their own agents. Ii Vw'aS rMTkmawsle to believe, for example, thiat Lorsl Sidmouth had coriso~Oliver to go into :he northern countie)t, and fomnen h3 bne,of w-hich no jpart existed before, by lies- and fraud, jusi aeTeeh b.efb.- the stipension of the Habeas, Corisuis Act was to ex. Y He 'was convinced. however, that this bill was not tIre besi ttr.dof -,-.crinz the corrntry, in. regard to those obicct ~.chit rofesedto comprise; and if the power itself werc .tt-1znrt5V lo zltr' carrrin- on- of the ; overnment, it ought, in tire O'Ir t~et the eightvrearsdurinsrtwhich the billbhad been in operation. tot nw sulded it into a more constitutional shape. it was said t'waa: rot Munch for thiem to wail, a year for the erpirat ion of tlii Mil ut, if this 'was all that could 6e urged for it, it was nol chfoir (lov rnr it to give up the bill a year before tht a rea Vn whc\ an arconti.t ori the worthlessness of Wts priniti. rz 'w-re induced to let it expire. i'le would, tlierefore. tbe na-wmim.ent for rending it a tliirdl tine this (Jay "tii rmontht. 7-he riglit honourrable erntleman hadl nidisedi lIis no. ebis friec~d to tr- his handi at an alien'bill with levs objectionable mo. &.ttOr~ ten his Blit why should nis noble friend bre called on aoitth okof Gilvv-eriment ? As well iiglit hiis noble friend 5a~ wit-h res7riect to the counts- courts' bill, that he wourld leave th( ' vd'here it 'w-as, and each mian should be allowed still tc g.ra-p 'hat hc erstid of hi, neighbour's goods. withioiut fear o1 beinzmz; rusic-strsible to eq~ual laws. It was the adrantage or n oattut., rj ytern of Government, that the measurres were -Xaleto the treyraties of thetimes. Tbratwould be the ambition talfl~ ti chms,' expdenlcts, nor ever subiject themselves to the acmu- O~&t at 'while thme-vant of the lesser attribuites. tires' were forget. lid o the- great thines of the law, merry ard judlgr?ent." They n~ae: cr to busethe ontiencefthoe invited to our shores brs ther ~rttr oflsspi.xits ois,tofid that they were to be sub. ~atd 1. RSSEL said tha no an would venture to sas' that Qt'eiovmmrn shuldbe e.poed o the demiands fromt Foreign P&'erttowhih hishil mst ubect them. The ground of a sup donspirzry zigainst a foreign state was a fallacy in ter-rr,s It ru~piacvthere-wrist be not only actors, but a subject to lct asI'. Iaa ~ cott'piracs' set on1 foot in England, aga inst a fo. reran sta.re, there 'was only one of those ingredients. The con. xpiratxrs. 'while rhe-v observed the law,s of tire couintr , transacted =ohiur-it wasw tvcnestoni atesao ofvaconspiracy, -'wirett the rsbozance. Government c-ould have no right to'inriuire i7-to a- ccnvrc,.atiiot bt-t ween partic-uhar per-sons, merelry because they 1---c to hear a porticul:ar national cha-racter. I'f so, what cotn. eratnWfu!d be- -t`e i' Every maRn miirht be made responsible in turin to setrec =neeed forts-sn governmeint. If a man were to speak 1! Of tie Iupreacs-of the Pope. lie wouild be objecteg agaitist by a erer wtta !th=hmaintained the Pope-'s qupreiriasy. Giovernmnent savad ae iro othe-r fair mectiod of treating aLliens than by thie laws which '-ubiectced its own ptople. For-eigners must ha-ve thesameliberty otf %pe'Ech1 asI n-tie- It was only atis of hrostility against a foreimn .i-V.rr-,en1-t Whit-i cou'd be properly resentcd....rnch as the niarchine oIf troosavio hm ard the prepar-ing or armaments. This rinigit and did hat,eren in thte ins-sion of Spain. But it coruld rtever be clrarrind azainst anY one residing in England. Ttiere erz'oid be no les-ring of troops or preparation of :rrtn, writh. rut bringginr them to the open parts of the kingdloin; and then, iee,ard notber, the res-ponsihilitr' of this Govenrmient to eter t peace- vith it wo'.rld commnence. So far there was groutind f-'riju- and re--ss.'.ahlc pror-autionrt but c-er-rainlv none was need.id Z.) toormn-ms res-idin- in tire interior of tire c'oulitrv ; they coilult only' behostr-A by- the laws whichi bouta,d the iiatidecs. lie rose Tmerly toexes his opinion.that a' this bill was nor neededi for the g-igovecrantent of the! coun7tr. so he hoped that it was the last r-me he shs-idrer h-ave anop-portunitr"of' addressing tire hottse Upon the strCt. conincid as te was. thrt after ttie expiration of it ther -c.-.rhl hakback to it a, a measure w1inchougtnvro ae The :oniie liisde~d. For the amrlncrdrat. 40 1 Against, it, 931 IMaijority. 53. Dutin,r cur absence we unde.-tood that Mr. DENsmA'Nr proposed thle inser,tioz or thlree clauses succLssively. Tire nature of thiese we eot -0 leara:, but understood they wer'e all nepativLal witlrourt a di- Si1r. D VNM.A N theni pro-paped as an amendment in the bodv of th. tilL that th, '-,ii~ - two veats" should be struck out, anuf the words"l cmevm"i tdin'their stead. TI-e 1rnusttdisi'ed on the question.... that the words proposed to be- oZrck i-ne ,-atar. part of the bill :-' the nininberm wre- Ayes.. 1 7 1 ot,471 Majitv, 70 Ccctsequea-trclvire arne-.dnm.nt wast lst,t and tirie bill passed. On cur rentro into the- "errier. we found the house resolving itself into a coininittee on the banknipt lairs' amendmient bill. The hill FV-sses threugh the mnrn.uttree the houise resumed, tir e repotwa reaedivul td thre bill os-,et-ed to he- re-cotn-t,itted oil thne 3 of M)ay r eat- NEW CHURUHiI>t. (jaO the et ofj utile ClIANCELLOR of l-c EXCIIEQUER, the carrer ef 0icte ar Ftrr brinit-ins un the report of the committee or' sUpp !7. os the er-It folr building, new citurehes.. was read. On the queti-on. t'hat the report he brought upi." bei-Atr put, Sir. Hi UJME said he co-ald not al how the report to lie broighit up, bringti, as~ !e wms, s- little sati'tied with tirere:usots wlinch irad been given in the com natittee in support of theurrant. lie had already staten hiso pinioD. that tthe moniev should not h;e Voted, and after tire lengtir nt 'w lhihle hle explained the grounds of tiata opinion, he felt it i-ni-I norCSar-v tO sayv thlat lie should now oppose the motion. First, easei: wasx admiitted by- niinistets themuselves that tIre ntones- Wouldj aim be wanted liar thlree ) ears'to comie. There had been no) in' st-arc-, ire belteye-ti. in whicti rthe house hail ever grantedl ancite nnless ii was. to be applied within tire year. It n~ehtt hase h&ppe-siei that th iotry had not bett appoied wvftii. la that ltime. but this htsd tirien fromi sorsne acci'dental cir- eurrtstaari,-~ and had tieser brett avowed by tire miinisters onz 0-heir askir'_z fa.-theniom.ey. Seco-ndlr. Ire objectedI to thiegrant, br.- e,trsec he titc.ueht the nonev relireAl oight be'raised witliout tire aint ~of Parlifarren. li consi,cdledthat the only object of the vote was to-lnereas.e the church Patrona2e and church influence, already too extensive. lit thought. too, that there were churches enough and h-e (1-M not bclie-ve that the number of persons who frequented them 'was inrt'ca!stnir bitt, on the contrary, that the zeal and abilitv of the (ILe-enteres were rapid1h, reducing 'the numibers of throse who'hatd belonged to Lte church estahlishniment Thiridly, he thought the mnoney, if granted at all, nlight be- appliedl to better purposes; sand for- these reasects he nioved that the report be broughit up thisaday six sineanths. Slir. NVARRE had no) hesitation in expressing his intention to suPPOrt the vote. Hiii bonourable friend (Sir. Humne) had apisken Of a ttl-lirtgoff fro= the churchi, but lhad it never occurred to hImr that. this micht pr&ceed as well firom. the insufficiency of the churches mc. frolm those qualities for which he gave the dissenters cred'it ? (Hev.) Ilie hiad reason to believe that there were many pop`ulo`r" tiiwtis in 'which the people would eagerly attend the churchtes. if Lhes- had thern, and if thte duty were well done. (Hear, fream bosh sides Of the ho,sme.) He s-i-d if the duty were wvell done, bec-a-se he would no, be understqood to advocate the building of ch~lmrge. unless the pulpits of those churches were to be ably filled. H'e - as nxittus. tlp-on this part of the stubject, that wrhen the bill Shoulad co-me into a conimittee. some mode might be devised with reir-ect to the romination of the inicumbents that should give general s2nsfa-rin.n Wiith res-pect to the di-L-enters, nothing that he had ever -aid could be construed to imply that he was not willing to warsr to thtn nor. oltleain, but the utmoest indulgence. to wa as de-imaus a any ilta' could be that every avenue _no teir-ctil and religious rights should be open 'to them. (ller.) it 'was nor in hostility to themi, but in reverence to the 1.hur1ch in, 'which he 'was bred, th~at he wished to see it supported as betatne ins di.-nity an4 thle interests of the people. The disshenters used ever, rs c~an's in their pow.er, by building chiapels, to establish anJto diffiase their principles; the queto hnws,wehruo the case whic-h had been made out, and after an experiRment had been tried], whiret ha3 been ocs-fetly successful asq far as it had gone, thie heu L hinnld Low refuse to g-ranlt an additional suns to accomplish a PurTtweso mporantandso ncesaryto the es~tablished church. ~ Her, bar. Thehanorahe meb~rconcluded bv saving, that he hd bei iduce to ddrss t asobservations to the house, be. ciue h "s nt wilimetogiv asilntvote upon an occa-sion when he wa e-nplle t dii~r fomthoe with whomn he usually acted. - - .-. -. e nan tr;e tignest respet Ir. BRI3GES and Mr. EVAN-s said atew words. which were al- i- miible. but we unzierstoa them to be in favour of the grant. 31r.W%. SI ITIi said the fia of thenurmbersofdiaIsqpters having r.tn renrsivrrl nuicit!irQ, had bten,hethought, too hasdlv assumed. . --JZd kror.-s a Pan's where there was Do dissenting chapel, lut w:re the c!trch had been abandoned because the church was badly earrt.l In thecity which hehad the honour to represent, there were 37 cthms =Id ver there was no nlece he k-new, in which there aZras-;;o rnmFuiv dist ch-pels. and so well filled. This, he be- licvzat -rose Fn rSo ~rnZ ufiicency nor want of activity in the clergy- rt, c-fthat OtTf'ho wcre in evo-v way highly respectable. but he ahtght that, in this as in ererv other case, it was caused bv acci- drral Ci n= . which apliedtoppanicular places. WI'ith re- tspecro vwhat had been said of the mode of appointing clergymen by lscc, he mu-st ob&c-e that he saw nothihg objectionable itt that mode. It h3d been said, that it was derogatory f'i z the dit7nit- of the church to submit to canvassin. Ar;cannz the diSsnters rso sucb canvassing was practised; and z$ to tlte dignitrt he thought the true dignity was in the ul'aitv of the neitWure. Howver, almost the only objection he h d to this voe was, that no pains h.d been taken to ascertain wthe- ther the iozney which was reqr red could not be sup plied from some oe[aCr10 e. Whln tlthercaou-rr nf thechurch emolcuments should b.e inquirmd into, and it ahould be found that no portion of them er.iM be- be-ter applied than they were at pZeSent, he would willingly vote br this o for =ay other sum ; but until then, he must be ex- ted for withhoidinr his aswent to the vote. *-ir n. FERGUlSSt)N opposed the vote. Lir. BIRCH1 szd a few words, the purport of which we were not chit' to carh. SirllSAAC COFFIN,dsan orthodoxchurcbmtn would vote or.= dtS .G a^ Durirth latter lart of hi5 life, he had frucnd br expperience that thlere wras a lamenmble increase of thore devil-killers.' called AIethodi.eR (a laugh)such an increase as he vw ast,.-e mwsn eentually undermine the Church of EnglairtI. They cr- sgcsh '; rotig men," (a laugh ) that let them once get into vOn? b c'ae, they wttuli get into the Litchen, from the kitchen they zzcs,id gct into 'the cellar, and the inevitable consequences among ,tvant, sol-d . (A laugh, and cries of .5Ir. BI-tTTERVORTEi -oultl give his vote in support of this ccejr,,. Be ba hceard it warmly advocated, indeed, becmuse it HOUSE OF C0.1M.11ONS, MONDLAY, APRIL 12.